Georgia Business Owner Not Quite Certain That He Didn't Build That

"Kiss my ass," a sign says in response to "You didn't build that."

Below, a Romney ad -- "These Hands" -- you've probably seen. I never thought this thing would have this kind of leg in it.

Also below, a Romney ad attacking Obama for the ending of GM dealerships -- the "Vampire Corporatism" Obama practices. Jen Rubin finds the ad confusing or something:

Is Romney saying that in a “managed bankruptcy” these dealershiips wouldn’t have closed? If he is saying these guys got hit because the politically-connected UAW got sppecial treatment, that would make sense. The ad doesn’t say that.

In short, I don’t get the point of the ad.

Let me suggest the point of the ad starts as simple as tu quoque -- you did it too -- and then suggests more than that. Obama's whole attack on Bain is based on a deliberately infantile obtuseness about business. It's based on little-baby style thinking: People lost jobs. That's bad. If you fire someone that means you're a bad man.

But of course it's a great deal more complicated than that. Businesses prefer to grow and expand their operations and their employee base, opportunity and profit permitting; contractions are not sought, but are imposed by circumstance.

Romney's ad doesn't say that. But it certainly confuses Obama's baby-talk narrative. Because he must explain what makes his layoffs different from Bain's; the answer is that there is no difference. A business losing money must soon lose employees as well.

Some of Obama's people know this, but they trust that the typical Obama voter, who's been an employee all his life (and, disproportionately, a government employee, who has therefore never before even had to consider "What if my employer runs out of money?"), are too stupid to know this. Well, perhaps this ad might wake them up, as they ponder "Gee, why did the man fire those poor people?"

But more interesting than speculating about whether the typical Obama voter understands that a business either makes money or it shuts down is whether Obama himself knows it; certainly, most of his insipid rhetoric suggests that he believes people invest in businesses not to make profit and thereby improve their own (and their family's) economic status, but rather create companies as sort of a public charity for the strict purpose of employin' workin' folks.

No, employing working folks is a consequence of investment and entrepreneurship; but it's not the main goal.

Of course it's not. Only Obama voters, and maybe Obama himself, could possibly think that one breaks one's ass with a primary motive of benefiting of others.

I always want to ask these people: If you weren't drawing a paycheck from work, would you show up anyway, just for the benefit to the community and society? Government school teachers like to talk of "working for the children," and yet I can't seem to notice that checks in their name are sent out every two weeks.

Perhaps this ultimately just gets at the deliberate self-infantilization of the progressive left, wherein they actually do convince themselves that they themselves are "working for the public good" and that biweekly check is just some sort of fringe benefit they could either take or leave. And, having convinced themselves of this absurdity, they go on to deploy the delusion vindictively against others, accusing others of not working primarily for the benefit of others.

You know, like they do.

It's a wonderment to me that the Government Workers and Government Clients spend so much time and effort assiduously insuring that their incomes always rise, but then, when taxpayers, who are after all signing these checks, object that they'd like to see property tax rates capped so that they themselves can have a little more money themselves, say to the taxpayers: "How dare you."

The scary thing is that they seem to actually mean it. Like, it's not just theater. They are so gripped by their self-deception they're aghast at seeing someone else wish for a little extra money to spend as he pleases.

Maybe this is why they're so hostile to business people. Business people are pretty upfront about saying, "I'm working for myself," and are comfortable with both meanings of that sentence.

To people who have convinced themselves, psychotically, that they themselves are working "for the children" or "for the good of... the DMV," such a statement must seem very cold-hearted.

I think it's time we told the Government Clients that we no longer have the luxury of spending so much for their self-delusions and will no longer be signing off on their regularly-scheduled salary escalations.


Posted by: Ace at 05:45 PM



Comments

1 Ray Gaster is a good friend of ours. And he is magnificent.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 01, 2012 05:47 PM (UOM48)

2 Perhaps Romney's aid should tell Obama to kiss his ass.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 05:47 PM (YdQQY)

3 My, Jen Rubin is quite the dim bulb, isn't she? No wonder the WaPo loves her as their house "conservative."

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 01, 2012 05:48 PM (+XVQe)

4 Wait, Jen Rubin came up for air long enough to publish an article?

Posted by: wooga at August 01, 2012 05:48 PM (vjyZP)

5 By the way, that "kiss my ass" sign is on 204/Abercorn, the gateway to Savannah from I-95 north. Thousands of commuters and tourists will see it.

Absolutely love it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 01, 2012 05:50 PM (UOM48)

6 If the meme you can't shake, I'll see you at the wake.

Posted by: Jackie Childs at August 01, 2012 05:51 PM (oHzvw)

7 Ace, meth kills. Slow down, bro'.

Posted by: eureka! at August 01, 2012 05:51 PM (1qHOu)

8 Going Gorka begins.

Posted by: tasker at August 01, 2012 05:52 PM (r2PLg)

9 No parasexual fumbling here. Don't know about the herpes bit.

Posted by: USA at August 01, 2012 05:52 PM (6Cjut)

10 Obama's "You didn't build that!" is the gift that just keeps on giving.

The Bilderbergers must have told him to say it.

Posted by: Propeller Headed Conspiracy Theorist at August 01, 2012 05:52 PM (+XVQe)

11 My erection? Well, little boy...actually, you DID build that.
#HarryReidIsAPederast

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 01, 2012 05:52 PM (ggRof)

12 Key here is that GM saved no real money by shutting down all those Car Dealers... they were privately owned businesses, which GAVE GM business....

So the wholesale slaughter of dealerships really had nothing to do with the GM bankruptcy.... as they were SEPERATE businesses.

Heck... I've been looking at cars lately... and Car lots are Empty... you can't find the models you want... and thats on the few lots that are still open.

Heck.... I was told yesterday that if I wanted to drive one model, they could order it for me... but I couldn't test drive it first??? WHUH?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 01, 2012 05:54 PM (lZBBB)

13 I got two sentences in and realized this must be a movie review opus. I'll come back to it later. It's time for Chick-Fil-A part II.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 01, 2012 05:54 PM (ndlFj)

14 Somebody told me that Jen Rubin is a writer. But I can't confirm that.

Posted by: Hairy "Gray Balls" Reid at August 01, 2012 05:55 PM (+XVQe)

15 Ray Gaster is a good friend of ours. And he is magnificent.


Tell him thank you from me and, I'm sure, the rest of the Horde.


I'm still kind of blah on the Dream ad though if it's the start of a sustained campaign on this point, along with bringing up the politically motivated nature of which dealerships closed, then it may look better down the road.


There's a variant of the Hands ad playing down here that is absolutely great. I like that one and the it's okay to make a change one that I think the RNC is doing.


Posted by: alexthechick - Lunatics for SMOD at August 01, 2012 05:55 PM (Gk3SS)

16 Every time I hear that "you didn't build that" statement IN CONTEXT with all the "there are lots of smart people" and all the other bullshit statements he threw around with it, I get infuriated. This man either has no idea how capitalism works or he hates and wants to destroy it. Either way, he has to go in November.

In other news, one of my Facebook acquaintances wrote some dumbass post today about how if you support Chick-fil-A, you should reconsider your friendship with her. So I obliged her and deleted her. Fuck that shit, they want to push, my tolerance for them gets less and less.

Posted by: DangerGirl at August 01, 2012 05:55 PM (GrtrJ)

17 This severe anti-obama strain is not limited to GA. When I was at the dentist's office today the receptionist asking me about a coal fired plant that was being shut down soon and the article in the local newspaper.


So I explained the new Obama EPA rules and why this plant, and ones like it all over the country were being shutdown.


She was not a happy camper and had some things to say about his "policies".

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 05:55 PM (YdQQY)

18 Well there are some differences between layoffs via Bain and layoffs at GM delaerships via Obama. For example, registered Republicans were far, far more likely to have their dealerships closed than registered Democrats. Which brings us to another difference, that the people specifying which dealerships would be closed had no competence nor interest in doing so in a pattern thatwould maximize profitibility for the company.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 01, 2012 05:56 PM (w41GQ)

19 I dont' know how much of this boycott my local Chick Fil A can handle..

they're running out of stuff to sell.

Posted by: Dave C at August 01, 2012 05:56 PM (3axTG)

20 OT I went to Chic Fil A for lunch in an unnamed city far from Chicago at 1:40 pm and the place was jammed and so was the drive-through.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 01, 2012 05:57 PM (+XVQe)

21 I have to imagine that during the debates when Obama talks about how GM is alive because of him, Romney will respond asking him this very question. Why are your bankruptcies and layoffs good while mine are bad?

Obviously, in a much more professional and smarter way but that will be the gist of it.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at August 01, 2012 05:57 PM (/hEqz)

22 I hate class warfare and think it is a dangerous weapon. It’s based on envy and that is a dangerous emotion to unleash. That having been said, I’m starting to think that we should pay the Democrats back in kind by using it against them and their priveleged public employees. There are still a whole hell of a lot more of us than there are of them – meaning government employees. Why the hell should we not begrudge themtheir comforts – in the same way their patrons, the Democrats, begrudge and attack us.

It was an arguably acceptable arrangement back in the day when the norm was that you made less as a government employee but were compensated by having a ‘secure’ job. That paradigm is laughable today with the greater than private sector salaries combined with lifetime tenure and guaranteed pensions. They have become in effect a new ruling class, an American Nomenklatura. And we need to take that away from them. I want to get the hoi polloi out on the streets with pitchforks and torches and turn them on these party apparatchiks and take their s**t away. Because of fairness and all that. And because, just SHUT UP.I’d love to see that shoe on the other foot.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 01, 2012 05:57 PM (4x8W0)

23 RACIST!!!!!

But, still.....what part of Georgia? I see lots of vandalism in his near future should it be somewhere near Atlanta.........not sure why.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 01, 2012 05:59 PM (UK9cE)

24 @18 you are absolutely right, but this is too subtle for the average knuckle-dragging independent or lukewarm Dem voter.

If you tried to make an ad out of it, they'd just complain that Romney is being "too partisan."

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 01, 2012 05:59 PM (+XVQe)

25 AtC, I was at work and didn't get a chance to chime in earlier. Epically awesome rant. Not gonna lie, it made me want to go find a hobo and an extra large pudding cup.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 at August 01, 2012 05:59 PM (GEICT)

26 Couldn't agree more on the profit is evil, we're doin' it for the community. Ever hear a liberal when discussing a not for profit. You would think they are going to stain themselves. The implication that this means people are doing things without evil money as the driver is as childish as possible. They actually believe it - that they have removed the evil profit/money motive. Once tried to explain that all it means is that they SUCK UP ALL THE MONEY and show no profit. Usually paying themselves well over market value while wearing the smug and holier than thou face. Not a surprise - couldn't penetrate the stupid.

Posted by: baseballguy at August 01, 2012 06:00 PM (MaS0T)

27 I'd like to see Gibson Guitars featured in an "I Built It" ad. Then show the FBI raid.

Not only does Obama take credit for your business, he punishes you if your competitor is a big donor.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 01, 2012 06:01 PM (+XVQe)

28
Yeah, that's the point. Some dealerships would have closed, but which ones? GM management and Chrysler "management" made arbitrary decisions about which ones closed. Not who had the best or worst run dealerships, not whether the location was good or not, but they looked at a map, and picked them out. Frankly, the arbitrary cluelessnes is just revolting.

It's a lot like the mis-spent money from TARP. National City Bank didn't need TARP money, and turned it down. PNC Bank did take the TARP money and did what? They bought National City and closed down a lot of that bank.

The underlying secret to TARP was to actually have FEWER banks, and that they would have less independence from the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Departmentand regulation.

The underlying secret to the government managed bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler was to tell that that the government would have more control of the market. Family owned dealerships that had been in business for years, that had weathered down-turns and hard times before, were just shut down.
The cramdown on the Senior bond holders. Rewarding the UAW, of all people, with stock in these new corporations.

Ron Paul (as much as I think he's wrong about a lot of things) correctly labeled Obama's policies as "corporatism". And really and truly, this is the hand maiden to fascism.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (RFeQD)

29 In other news, one of my Facebook acquaintances wrote some dumbass post today about how if you support Chick-fil-A, you should reconsider your friendship with her. So I obliged her and deleted her. Fuck that shit, they want to push, my tolerance for them gets less and less

But remember, she is the tolerant one............tolerant............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (OWjjx)

30 Don't forget that working for many companies is like working for the government, especially big ones or heavily regulated ones.

"Too big to fail" is as good as "government guaranteed".

There are a lot of people disconnected from the realities of economics.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (T0NGe)

31 16 Every time I hear that "you didn't build that" statement IN CONTEXT with all the "there are lots of smart people" and all the other bullshit statements he threw around with it, I get infuriated. This man either has no idea how capitalism works or he hates and wants to destroy it. Either way, he has to go in November.
Posted by: DangerGirl at August 01, 2012 05:55 PM (GrtrJ)

Fuck, I hate how people even bring up the context to that quote. If the quote crippled Obama's campaign, then bringing up the context is like rubbing the wound with aloe vera.

He clearly says "you didn't build THAT"

If he was referring to roads and bridges, it would be "you didn't build THOSE THINGS"

Posted by: Youthful Dumbass at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (csi6Y)

32 oops

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (csi6Y)

33 Morning thread commenters from small towns etc. were pointing out to Gabe who was also lukewarm to the ad that if you're from a small town and had a dealership closed, it affected alot of other people.

Is this ad running in e.g. urban D.C. or is it aimed at the Rust Belt?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (vDl/w)

34 This brings up something we've been discussing for awhile. The Left acts like poo flinging monkeys while the Right tries to act like grown ups. Many on the Right (by which I mean me) are getting fed up with the double standard and are deciding that if these are the rules, we'll play as well.

Hell, look at twitter. The Right pretty much owns the hashtag war right now. Look at #HarryReidIsAPederast. A few years ago, there would be thumbsucking over whether that's appropriate? Now? Now it's a competition to see who can be the funniest with it. ace wins that btw. Same thing with telling Obama to kiss my ass. When the President of the US sells BFD t-shirts from his official website? Fuck it, fine. He will be given exactly the level of respect he shows for the office.

Posted by: alexthechick - Lunatics for SMOD at August 01, 2012 06:03 PM (Gk3SS)

35 But remember, she is the tolerant one............tolerant............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (OWjjx)

You know, maybe with the public screwell edjumcashun, their definition of tloerance and ours may be a little different.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (9TTOe)

36 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (6o4Fb)

37 Bengay,
Preparation H, and
Desitin:









What Harry Reid smells like after a night of charity fundraising at the orphanage.

Posted by: Carnac the Magnificent at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (RuVpG)

38 oh, and a side note, the one guy on my facebook who fills up his status with the worst Democratic pap started posting "upsides to Mitt Romney's election" today

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (csi6Y)

39 Gabe didn't think much of this ad either.I think ace is correct.

Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (6o4Fb)

40 Posted by: Youthful Dumbass at August 01, 2012 06:02 PM (csi6Y)

Don't forget the techer that inspired you. It is always a teacher that inspired you.

No, SCOAMF, it isn't. Know what inspired me........my parents were fucking poor and I did not want to live the rest of my life that way.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2012 06:04 PM (OWjjx)

41 Jefferson Starship came out today saying they were voting for Romney.

Obama told them that they didn't build this city on rock and roll

Posted by: The Q at August 01, 2012 06:05 PM (B/yDO)

42 In other news, one of my Facebook acquaintances wrote some dumbass
post today about how if you support Chick-fil-A, you should reconsider
your friendship with her. So I obliged her and deleted her. Fuck that
shit, they want to push, my tolerance for them gets less and less.
Not only is she not tolerant - she has probably conflated the AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE with AGAINST GAYS which is what most liberals I have spoken with did. What part of AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE do they not understand? Everything obviously.

Posted by: baseballguy at August 01, 2012 06:05 PM (MaS0T)

43 @41- HAAAA! LOVE IT.

Posted by: reason at August 01, 2012 06:06 PM (RQDhf)

44 Posted by: Bcochran1981 at August 01, 2012 05:59 PM (GEICT)

Thanks! One does one's humble best.


Oh and the context thing? The context is so much worse. Personally I think the someone else did kicker to you didn't build that is just. I lack the profanity to express my response.

Posted by: alexthechick - Lunatics for SMOD at August 01, 2012 06:06 PM (Gk3SS)

45 I've been particularly successful in telling kids to check out my Flute by the Foot.

Posted by: Dingy Harry at August 01, 2012 06:06 PM (B/yDO)

46 My goodness! All of this talk of ass, and kissing of ass, just makes me weep!

The coarsening of the national dialogue by these foul-mouthed Republicans will destroy us all!

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Shultz at August 01, 2012 06:07 PM (RQDhf)

47
Yes, but somebody DID build the roads and bridges. The government, outside of the Army Corp of Engineers, doesn't build much of anything. They hire private contractors to build what they want.
Private businesses bid on government work. And are paid with government dollars. That are from the taxes on the people.
The government BUILDS NOTHING!

How hard is it for the Indonesian Imbecile to understand this?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 01, 2012 06:07 PM (RFeQD)

48 One participant in negotiations said that the administration's tactic was to present what one described as a "madman
theory of the presidency" in which the President is someone to be
feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person
said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm.

... so this is the "Madman" ad ?

Posted by: Perella Weinberg at August 01, 2012 06:07 PM (e8kgV)

49 Hamas blasts Palestinian official's Auschwitz trip
Fawzi Barhoum says Abbas aide's visit to death camp goes against Palestinian public opinion; claims Holocaust 'a big lie'
Associated Press
Published: 08.02.12, 00:01 / Israel News



Gaza's ruling Hamas has criticized a Palestinian official for visiting a memorial at the Nazi death camp of Auschwitz and paying respects to its 1.5 million victims there, most of them Jews.

Related articles:
Last member of Auschwitz escape dies
Hamas hangs Gazan for ‘collaborating’ with Israel
German soccer team blasted over Auschwitz visit

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, expressing the Islamic terror group's position, claimed Wednesday that the Holocaust "is a big lie.

Yup that muslim culture is something ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:07 PM (j1gX1)

50 I lack the profanity to express my response.
Posted by: alexthechick


OK, now who is the wiseguy that's socking atc?

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Shultz at August 01, 2012 06:08 PM (RQDhf)

51 What part of AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE do they not understand? Everything obviously.___
When the NJ gay marriage debate was in the news, I checked out that state's civil union law. The law clearly states that same sex partners in a legally recognized civil union enjoy the same benefitsas hetero partners in a marriage. But still the gay lobby in NJ is agitating for gay marriage "rights".

So even if you support civil unions for same sex partners, until you go all in for gay marriage, you're still against gays. That's the narrative.

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2012 06:08 PM (jm/9g)

52 Yes, but somebody DID build the roads and bridges. The government,
outside of the Army Corp of Engineers, doesn't build much of anything.
They hire private contractors to build what they want.
Private businesses bid on government work. And are paid with government dollars. That are from the taxes on the people.
The government BUILDS NOTHING!


This.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:09 PM (T0NGe)

53 So even if you support civil unions for same sex partners, until you go all in for gay marriage, you're still against gays. That's the narrative.
Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2012 06:08 PM (jm/9g)


Well, if that's the narrative they want..........

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at August 01, 2012 06:09 PM (9TTOe)

54 To the committed leftist and his henchmen, a job is defined as a procedure by which wealth is extracted from labor and given in the form of union dues to the Democratic Party.

Any other ancillary by-product of this wealth transfer is seen as a necessary evil or pure inefficiency.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone cultist at August 01, 2012 06:10 PM (I2LwF)

55 Key here is that GM saved no real money by shutting down all those Car
Dealers... they were privately owned businesses, which GAVE GM
business....


I think the theory was that having five dealers in every town was driving down profits for the dealerships and preventing them from offering the kind of service and amenities that Toyota and the other imports could afford. Some also argued that GM was forced to discount crazily because of the overabundance of dealers, but I never quite understood that logic. GM only needed to price to be competitive with the imports, and that was what was forcing it to discount so heavily.

Posted by: Cicero at August 01, 2012 06:11 PM (QKKT0)

56 FOR PUBLIC RELEASE:

Mitt Romney will have a question-and-answer session next week, available to all media reporters, at which he will provide a full, comprehensive statement to The Palestinean People.

Event to be held at the Auschwitz Memorial.

Posted by: F'ing GORKA! at August 01, 2012 06:12 PM (RQDhf)

57 Given the response to Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day, and stuff like this, I'd have to say that the preference cascade is starting to fall HARD.

People are PISSED - majorly so - and they have had enough of keeping their mouths shut just to play nice.

It's not going to get any better for the Dems over the next few months - as I told one of my friends (and paraphrasing one of my favorite movie lines),

"We ain't lookin' for revenge - we're lookin' for a reckonin'....."

November's coming.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 01, 2012 06:12 PM (P6H+d)

58 My mom, who retired at 57, used to love to say that she'd keep working as a highschool counselors if she ever came into a lot of money. For the children. Uh huh, sure.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2012 06:12 PM (wsGWu)

59 Great post, Ace.

"(H)e believes people invest in businesses not to make profit and thereby
improve their own (and their family's) economic status, but rather
create companies as sort of a public charity for the strict purpose of
employin' workin' folks."

I hope that Romney become more forceful in his articulation of capitalism than he has so far, but I understand that he has to be a bit ambiguous for the sake of not scaring the easily scared.

However, there is a need to explain what we as Americans want in a productive economy, and whether or not we have the right to act on mutual interest.

Imagine if the Federal government suddenly declared that charities are not good for the country. That is to say, that citizens can no longer join together under the desire to provide goods and services to certain groups.

Wouldn't even the Left be outraged at this intrusion in the right to freely associate[\i]?

What we have today in our quasi-European, socialized democracy is exactly that. The government and it's thralls insist that citizens cannot gather together to provide goods or services to people. All citizens are required to engage in government-run 'charity.' Government first, and citizens last.

I haven't heard any pol really articulate the need for free-markets in such a way but I sure wish the GOP would start somewhere.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 01, 2012 06:13 PM (uCNam)

60 my youngestson nd i had a conversation about this a couple of years ago.
he comments, "everyone should have a home, it's cruel that people live in the cold"
i said i understand he is sad about people being homeless, what would you do for them?
he said we should give him a home, i said ok, your home? he said well no maybe let a person live here ,but everyone that needed one,, a home?
i said where do homes come from?
he said well those developments, i said did it grow on a tree? he said of course not,
i said, well the trees that made the home had to be proceessed for the guy that took them and made walls and a roof, utilities , tools were used so they could be made (all which cost money)should those guys be paid or not for their work? should they work for free, should they pay high bills, pay for expensive tools , pay for the building materials ,to make a home for someone else free?

Posted by: willow at August 01, 2012 06:13 PM (TomZ9)

61 Thanks! One does one's humble best.
Oh and the context thing? The context is so much worse. Personally I think the someone else did kicker to you didn't build that is just. I lack the profanity to express my response.
Posted by: alexthechick - Lunatics for SMOD at August 01, 2012 06:06 PM (Gk3SS)


The "you didn't build that" sends me into a stroke inducing, hobo skinning, skull fucking blind rage. I work for a small business. That's family owned. I'm the 4th generation to work there. Been in business for over 70 years. Great grandpa started it and ran it on a (maybe) elementary school education. My dad and grandpa have taken some gutsy risks to expand and improve the company. (The balls on those guys.) Come on Mr. President, come on down to our shop and tell us that we didn't build it. Come on. I dare you. I DARE YOU.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 at August 01, 2012 06:14 PM (GEICT)

62 O/T One of my hardcore Donk friends, who's definitely voting for Obama, is nonetheless getting pissed at his constant nagging.

"If I give him $20, will my email box be saved from the campaigns emails for 20 days?"

Posted by: The Q at August 01, 2012 06:14 PM (B/yDO)

63 Posted by: willow at August 01, 2012 06:13 PM (TomZ9)

h8ter

Posted by: Any Typical Libtard at August 01, 2012 06:14 PM (QKKT0)

64 I've said before and I'll say it again until my vocal chords just dry up and fall out. Then I'll learn ASL, dammit.

Pride comes before the fall. We're watching them self destruct at an increasingly faster pace. They can't help themselves.

Extra butter, please.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:15 PM (uSLGj)

65 Still tryin' to figger out how where I can find a video or sumpin' which tells me how to donate for my man, B.O.

Posted by: Obamanaut retard at August 01, 2012 06:15 PM (wAQA5)

66 "If I give him $20, will my email box be saved from the campaigns emails for 20 days?"

Sign up now for our "Donate a Dollar, Buy a Day" Plan

Posted by: The Committee to Reelect A President at August 01, 2012 06:16 PM (QKKT0)

67
I lack the profanity to express my response.
Posted by: alexthechick


C'mon I'm sure you can come up with some.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:16 PM (R/8dI)

68 57

I agree. The preference cascade has begun. I wanted Obama to go full on hard left and give Americans a clear choice, and he's done it. No centrism like Clinton for the Community Organizer in Chief!

It's kind of fun to watch Obama and the left destroy themselves. One line of attack after the other has completely failed and been turned against them.

Kinda fun.

As they say: Popcorn, Please!

Posted by: PJ at August 01, 2012 06:17 PM (DQHjw)

69 "I work for a small business. That's family owned. "

OMG WHY DO YOU HATE?!!?!!?!

Posted by: Teh Gayz at August 01, 2012 06:17 PM (RQDhf)

70 "Extra butter, please."

I'm watchin' you, bub.

Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at August 01, 2012 06:18 PM (RQDhf)

71 ace, while you were on vacation, we beat this horse to death.

I will say it again. The Roanoke speech will be looked back at as the day Obama lost the election.

It is not going away. We are going to shove it up his ass for another 99 days.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 01, 2012 06:18 PM (3ZjAP)

72 I can't work out how it is that Obama for four plus years has said the stupidest, most bizarre, hard left, and insulting things and they just got a total pass. Now with this, everyone is giggling?

What were they waiting for? How did the previous statements get no attention when this one did? I just don't get it.

Jon Lovitz says in that bit with Dana Carvey that this was THE FIRST THING that Obama had said that he could ridicule? Seriously? Where WERE YOU GUYS??

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 01, 2012 06:20 PM (r4wIV)

73 I've never understood the point of closing dealerships. Aren't they independently owned? And don't they exist to sell the products of the car manufacturers? So to me, the Obama fix for GM was to restrict the number of sales outlets for the cars that GM makes, thus reducing overall sales. And then...success?

That makes sense to Obama?

Posted by: Marmo at August 01, 2012 06:21 PM (pcgW1)

74 Daa, nu-nu-nuh.
Na-nuh.
Na-nuh.
Didn't Build That.

Posted by: M.C. Bammer at August 01, 2012 06:21 PM (RQDhf)

75 GM only needed to price to be competitive with the imports, and that was what was forcing it to discount so heavily.


Posted by: Cicero at August 01, 2012 06:11 PM (QKKT0)

That was the problem that all three auto makers had. According to the numbers I saw an auto made at GM cost $78/hour to make while a comperable auto made at a non-union Toyota plant in TN only cost $40/hr to make.
It was (and still is) impossible to price competitively with Toyota or any other non-union plant. Add in all the "dealer incentives" along with the overabundance of dealers and you get a steady stream of losses for every car made.
The ONLY way thy could have come out of this disaster would have been to enter bankruptcy and renegotiate the union contracts. Instead, they got a taxpayer bailout and further sweetheart deals for shit like the Volt. And the original problem with the unions was made worse by giving the company to the unions.
The federal bailout is used up now. I fully expect them to fold again. The original problem was never fixed. This time the only investors are the taxpayers who will screwed in the ass like the original investors.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:21 PM (YdQQY)

76 Billy Bob, ain't no beating this horse to death.

It can't be beat to death enough.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:22 PM (uSLGj)

77 It is not going away. We are going to shove it up his ass for another 99 days.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at August 01, 2012 06:18 PM (3ZjAP)

I am so turned on right now,I am going to go full-on Caligula at theChuck E. Cheese tonight.....
#HarryReidIsAPederast

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 01, 2012 06:22 PM (ggRof)

78 Wait...so I didn't write the songs?

http://youtu.be/0VH2SVes0E8

Posted by: B. Manilow at August 01, 2012 06:22 PM (nEUpB)

79
If this preference cascade is any true indicator, expect a large turnout in Nov. on our side.
This Chick-fil-a thing is a big deal amongst many.
Lib interest groups have been spouting this fascist hate forever, but since the One's election it has been turned up to Eleventy!!!
Most people just don't go in for that sort of shit. They look at these dealer owners, most in business since GM started selling cars, as their neighbors.
Same with this latest, avg. people look at this shit and say Dude just wants to sell some chicken sammiches. Leave him the hell alone.
All of this anti-business, class warfare shit has epic fail written all over it.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:23 PM (R/8dI)

80 Ace, please do take a week off every now and then. These posts are brilliant.

Posted by: Cricket at August 01, 2012 06:24 PM (2ArJQ)

81 <It is not going away. We are going to shove it up his ass for another 99 days.>

Promises, promises.

Posted by: Anderson Scooper at August 01, 2012 06:24 PM (wAQA5)

82 @73 - boy, I sure hope StarBucks doesn't get wind of this business model.

They'll shutter half their stores, and then start charging $10 for a cup of coffee!

Granted, given my disdain for *$, I'd love to see them try this out.

Posted by: reason at August 01, 2012 06:24 PM (RQDhf)

83 On a side note, as expected, the HOuse has shot down the Dems tax the upper middle class plan. I'm sure the MFM will make a BFD about how the evil R's are killing the middle class to help the "rich".

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:24 PM (YdQQY)

84 I fully expect them to fold again. The original problem was never fixed.

*This*

What the feds did for GM is like treating a junkie by giving him a pile of money then letting him go off into the world again.

Posted by: Cicero at August 01, 2012 06:25 PM (QKKT0)

85 21 I have to imagine that during the debates when Obama talks about how GM is alive because of him,

Actually Romney should say, "You didn't save GM, you saved the UAW and their benefits". GM is still underwater.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at August 01, 2012 06:26 PM (+7Usq)

86
I agree with @80 Ace you've been on fire this week after you vacay.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:26 PM (R/8dI)

87 O/T Olympians have to pay the IRS $9,000 per gold medal.

No link for Mediaite.

Posted by: The Q at August 01, 2012 06:26 PM (B/yDO)

88 >>>I am so turned on right now,I am going to go full-on Caligula at theChuck E. Cheese tonight.....

Not without the proper promotional licensing, you ain't, bub.

Posted by: Gore Vidal, loving the barbed cock of Satan at August 01, 2012 06:27 PM (RuVpG)

89
Vic, GM is still in deep shit, nothing in the way the company is managed has changed.
They still operate as if there is a bottomless well of cash, and bend over for the UAW at every opportunity.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:27 PM (R/8dI)

90 Wait...so I didn't write the songs?

I am stealing that.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:28 PM (T0NGe)

91 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?


http://tinyurl.com/c2o4ez7

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:28 PM (X6akg)

92 "You think you're smart? You didn't build that! Now pay your fair share!"

Posted by: Harrison J. Bounel at August 01, 2012 06:29 PM (TWn4N)

93 Billy Bob, ain't no beating this horse to death.

It can't be beat to death enough.
Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:22 PM (uSLGj)

I'm all for beating a topic a topic to death, but we ain't getting into any necrophilia here are we?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:29 PM (j1gX1)

94
What #12 said. Also.

--------------

Ack, both Jen Rubin, Mickey Kaus and you miss the point of the dealership closings*. Those were all private businesses! They weren't owned by GM. They just bought cars from GM using GM credit. Whether GM has 2,000 or 1,500 dealers doesn't have a signficant impact on their profitability - just how many cars they sell (and at what price) hits their profit.

*GM didn't actually CLOSE those dealers - they just told them they weren't going to sell them any more cars. Some dealers were able to latch on to other car companies - most just shut down.

And they closed PROFITABLE dealers. Guys who were making money and had been making money for years.

Closing the dealers didn't make GM more efficient - it was just a payoff to the OTHER dealers. The ones who were connected. That's something that Obama could do when he had so much influence over the company. He couldn't give Joe's Chevrolet a check - but he could shut down JimBob's Chevrolet 10 miles down the road!

This was all discussed in some radical right-wing smart mil-blog back in 2009. I think the url was ACE.MU.NU.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 01, 2012 06:29 PM (d9tUw)

95 #21 That's really cute how you think that Obama will have the balls to agree to an actual one-on-one debate with Romney.

Posted by: Marmo at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (pcgW1)

96 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?


http://tinyurl.com/c2o4ez7
Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:28 PM (X6akg)

Ever see that Al Capone movie? It's the Chicago way

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (j1gX1)

97 Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:28 PM (T0NGe)

Be my guest. I steal shit from here all the time.

But first......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (nEUpB)

98 Just got back from taking the family to Chick-Fil-A. First time to eat there in probably 8 years. I'll be back, it was better than I remembered. They were very busy but the service was fast and very friendly. They had broken their sales record for the day around 3pm. They ran out of iced tea while we were there. And all the customers were going out of their way to be nice and friendly toward each other.

Team Obama can not feel good about this turn of events.

Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (Ky1+e)

99 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?

Heh heh. Good times, man.

Posted by: Reggie Love at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (QKKT0)

100
I'm all for beating a topic a topic to death, but we ain't getting into any necrophilia here are we?

It's not necrophelia if you are just beating it.

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (oHzvw)

101 Just got back from taking the family to Chick-Fil-A. First time to eat there in probably 8 years. I'll be back, it was better than I remembered. They were very busy but the service was fast and very friendly. They had broken their sales record for the day around 3pm. They ran out of iced tea while we were there. And all the customers were going out of their way to be nice and friendly toward each other.

Team Obama can not feel good about this turn of events.
Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (Ky1+e)


Outstanding!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (j1gX1)

102 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?

It's Gloria Allred's.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (d0Tfm)

103 Ever see that Al Capone movie? It's the Chicago way

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:30 PM (j1gX1)

Oooooh, that's right....forgot.

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (X6akg)

104 Liberals work for the benefit of mankind but are forced to take a paycheck only because businesses won't work for the common good and charge them for things that should be free. So you see, if businesses weren't so self-interested and would provide goods and services for free than liberals could also forgo government checks because they could just get free stuff.

It is actually easy to get in the mind of a libtard.

Posted by: scofflawx at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (dJges)

105 And my closest Chik-fil-A is in Boise - 420 miles away.

(sob)

Posted by: skookumchuk at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (0Db2g)

106 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?

It's Gloria Allred's.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (d0Tfm)


Shit I almost forgot about that. Good one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (j1gX1)

107 The bat is for when Moochelle is feeling frisky.

Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (6o4Fb)

108 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (j1gX1)

Yeah, but we have to go to a mall!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (nEUpB)

109
>>my closest Chik-fil-A is in Boise

Me too...but it's 277 miles or so.

Posted by: garrett at August 01, 2012 06:33 PM (oHzvw)

110 Yeah, but we have to go to a mall!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (nEUpB)


Where is the nearest one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:33 PM (j1gX1)

111 Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (6o4Fb)

Which end?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:34 PM (nEUpB)

112 Me too...but it's 277 miles or so.

Posted by: garrett

Punch it, baby. Punch it!

Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 06:34 PM (Ky1+e)

113
It's hard to say whether independent dealers would have fared better or worse under a managed bankruptcy than they did under the bailout, too fuzzy for the average voter to grasp anyway. GM had a 6000 dealer network, which made sense in the days when they had 50% market share, but by the time of the bailout that had dwindled to 18% or so.
There certainly were costs to GM to keep that number of dealerships, non-trivial costs, and not much benefit in terms of selling more cars. But I don't think Romney can just assert it wouldn't have happened in a bankruptcy, it would have.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 01, 2012 06:35 PM (WvXvd)

114
Re: ...the "Dream" ad, above.

Chances are, the guy in that ad is a Republican.
What the ad is not saying....
Is that there were thousands of dealerships shut down...that were owned by Republicans.
This was the most common denominator.

I read the number of 70,000 R-owned were closed, a couple of years ago.
Not sure if that number is correct.

The Chevy dealership nearest to me was doing well.
They were selling lots of trucks and SUVs.
Their service department was busy.
There was no reason whatsoever for them to be closed.
Except....that the owner was a Republican.

Posted by: wheatie at August 01, 2012 06:35 PM (mtRB0)

115 @ The Q- Unsurprising. I'm hoping a private patron would find it good in their heart to foot the tax bill.

Because nothing says gratitude for a life long dream of training and representing your team, your sport and your country like a bill from the IRS.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:35 PM (uSLGj)

116 #12

My family has been in the car business for three generations. There is a reason why the companies have always been careful about handing out dealerships. The biggest issue is cost.

Yes, the dealerships cost them money. They spend a huge amount of promotional materials, training, co-op advertising funds, etc. The idea is that a good dealership is well worth the investment.

When they shut down that big chunk of their dealer base it was pretty much a declaration that the numbers were going to suck for a long time and the market wasn't going to support that many any more. And as the company who owns they brand they get to play favorites.

That is where the problem comes in. The priorities should have been toward favoring those dealers who moved the most inventory, had the best service operations, etc. Instead, the selection appeared to be heavily weighted on whether the owner of the dealership was actively politically and how.

Handing off the decision to an independent panel with full transparency (which this administration was supposed to be big on) would have been the way to do it right. That didn't happen. Cronyism ruled the day, as it has every day with this bunch.

Posted by: epobirs at August 01, 2012 06:36 PM (kcfmt)

117 Liberals work for the benefit of mankind but are
forced to take a paycheck only because businesses won't work for the
common good and charge them for things that should be free. So you see,
if businesses weren't so self-interested and would provide goods and
services for free than liberals could also forgo government checks
because they could just get free stuff.



It is actually easy to get in the mind of a libtard.

Posted by: scofflawx at August 01, 2012 06:32 PM (dJges)

The best retort to someone who claims to work for the benefit of others is to say -- "In that case, gimme 50 bucks"

Posted by: Oldcat at August 01, 2012 06:36 PM (z1N6a)

118 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:33 PM (j1gX1)

Paramus Park Mall -- in the food court.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (nEUpB)

119 #98, Chik-fil-A's clientele just got a huge upgrade with the leftist cranks boycotting it. The dopes don't realize it but they are doing us a big favor by not going there.

Posted by: Harrison J. Bounel at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (TWn4N)

120 Vic, GM is still in deep shit, nothing in the way the company is managed has changed.


As I said, they are due to fold once again. If Obama doesn't give them another load of cash before he leaves office I expect them to fold again about 6 moths into next year.


Maybe then they will fix things, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (YdQQY)

121 "And all the customers were going out of their way to be nice and friendly toward each other. "

That's what struck me, too. Everyone was courteous and cooperative in spite of the massive crowd. People were smiling and talking to each other. It was a really pleasant thing to experience.

Posted by: Scobface at August 01, 2012 06:38 PM (IoNBC)

122 Paramus Park Mall -- in the food court.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (nEUpB)


Good to know
thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:38 PM (j1gX1)

123 Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (YdQQY)

And then the UAW will fold too. Don't they own a large chunk of GM?

I can't see Romney bailing them out for the second time in a few years.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:39 PM (nEUpB)

124 Can someone explain WHY he'd have a baseball bat in the oval office?



It's Gloria Allred's.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 01, 2012 06:31 PM (d0Tfm)





I just threw up a little in my mouth.....

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:39 PM (X6akg)

125 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 01, 2012 06:38 PM (j1gX1)

And the young lady who served me was about 5'11" and extremely polite and attractive. That is a rarity in fast-food joints around here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:40 PM (nEUpB)

126 Paramus Park Mall -- in the food court.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:37 PM (nEUpB)


That's the closest one to me but it's still 30 miles away.....which around here means 45 mins. to 1 hour to get there.

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:41 PM (X6akg)

127 #78

You wrote them, Mr. Manilow, but were only free to do so thanks to an NEA grant.

Posted by: epobirs at August 01, 2012 06:41 PM (kcfmt)

128 @ 119- Wait until the homos go for their "kiss-in" on Friday.

The lines and derision will be epic.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:42 PM (uSLGj)

129 Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:41 PM (X6akg)

I spent about 45 minutes yesterday driving about three miles. The Cross Bronx is a catastrophe, and will be for another four months.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:43 PM (nEUpB)

130 That's what struck me, too. Everyone was courteous
and cooperative in spite of the massive crowd. People were smiling and
talking to each other. It was a really pleasant thing to experience.

Posted by: Scobface

The staff at Chick-Fil-A noticed also it. They were swamped but having fun. I almost had to fight them off so we could clean our own table.

Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 06:44 PM (Ky1+e)

131 #62

No way. If you give the mobsters protection money once you're just signing up for a lifetime of more shakedowns.

Posted by: epobirs at August 01, 2012 06:44 PM (kcfmt)

132 Weird. Chick-fil-A rhymes with you socialist/Marxist/communist GO AWAY. It's almost as if we are about to take our country back or something.

Posted by: alf767 at August 01, 2012 06:44 PM (fqFjr)

133

That "kiss-in" on Friday is going to gross out a lot of folks.

Posted by: wheatie at August 01, 2012 06:44 PM (mtRB0)

134
Vic, Probably a few yrs. actually depending on what happens w/economy.
Quick story; Dad who worked @ Buick Motor for 30yrs told a cousin that GM wouldn't last another 30yrs. back in the 80's
When cousin, who was shocked, asked why. Dad replied "you can't run a company where no body will make a decision, we sell an engineered product and constantly decide to put an inferior one for sale each and every year."

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (R/8dI)

135 "That's the closest one to me but it's still 30 miles away....."

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:41 PM (X6akg)

Do you want to be on the NY/NJ moron meetup e-mail list?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (nEUpB)

136 And then the UAW will fold too. Don't they own a large chunk of GM?


I think they and the government are co-owners with them having the larger chunk. I am not sure how that works with "creditors" in bankruptcy court. Usually what I thought happened was the capital assets of the company were divided up among the creditors and the stock holders just lost their ass.


But since the stock holders are also the owners and the unions and the government hold such large portions of it I suppose the creditors could go after them for more of "their money".

Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (YdQQY)

137 I spent about 45 minutes yesterday driving about
three miles. The Cross Bronx is a catastrophe, and will be for another
four months.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:43 PM (nEUpB)


I was on I-95 at 1:30 Sunday afternoon heading North. Bumper.to.bumper. Why? There was no accident....nada.

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (X6akg)

138 Hi, all. Miss Marple (@missmarple2 on Twitter) tells me she's been banned from AoSHq. What should we do?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:47 PM (T0NGe)

139 Do you want to be on the NY/NJ moron meetup e-mail list?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (nEUpB)


Not sure I'll be able to make them but yes, please!

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:47 PM (X6akg)

140 That "kiss-in" on Friday is going to gross out a lot of folks.

Posted by: wheatie

There are very few hetero couples I want to watch kiss. Watching a couple of bushy moustaches get all tangled up would really make me toss my sammich.

Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 06:47 PM (Ky1+e)

141 Hi, all. Miss Marple (@missmarple2 on Twitter) tells me she's been banned from AoSHq. What should we do?


======

Why?!

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:49 PM (X6akg)

142 Posted by: Vic at August 01, 2012 06:45 PM (YdQQY)

That would be very nice. All those funds that own GM could sue the Federal government and the UAW to recover their investments.

It won't happen, but it's fun to consider.

Mostly I just want the UAW to go belly-up.

Then we can start on the Teamsters.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 01, 2012 06:50 PM (nEUpB)

143 Wheatie, the kiss-in will be a prime opportunity for everyoneto show up and mock them again. They are a gift to us.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:50 PM (uSLGj)

144 Oh duh.....email is moronettetami at gmail dot com.

Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:51 PM (X6akg)

145
>>Paramus Park Mall

The Easter Bunny at the Menlo Park Mall is way more convinving.

Posted by: Brodie at August 01, 2012 06:52 PM (oHzvw)

146 I'm a little surprised myself Obama's class warfare pitch hasn't hurt Romney more-- instead it's provoked a backlash. Possibly because it's been so clumsily done, with such a heavy hand. Or possibly Obama/ Warren/ Lakoff really are "out of touch" with the way most Americans think and feel.

Anecdotally, from family members involved in business who've traveled for business in the last few weeks, I hear "you didn't build that" has got businesspeople small and large really angry and disgusted-- like more indignant over this than anything else Obama has done-- like it's a "tipping point." In contexts were people don't normally talk politics, let alone criticize Obama, people have been openly blasting Obama for this.

My anecdotal sense (backed up by polls, even ridiculously +D ones) is that the effort to get Americans to hate/ resent/ distrust Romney because of his wealth has fizzled. You'd think they might harness some of the anger people feel over their own economic situation-- but that's hard to do when you're the government in power (and when your campaign standard bearers are people like Anna Wintour and George Clooney).

Also, in retrospect-- I'm amazed to say this-- I think ironically the OWS fever rash might have done some good. Not so much as catharsis (though there's a little of that), but as a well--publicized manifestation of what that class warfare mentality amounts to. The futility of it… the vanity of it. Watching a segment of the population have an extended juvenile tantrum, feces-throwing and all. They set out to romanticize class warfare rhetoric, and the MSM duly obliged for a while; but in the end the vast majority of Americans just rolled their eyes, repelled. (Haven't seen the Batman movie, but I gather its take on 'class warfare' is apropos.)

Posted by: lael at August 01, 2012 06:52 PM (3lQjX)

147 Government school teachers like to talk of "working for the children,"
and yet I can't seem to notice that checks in their name are sent out
every two weeks.



Have you ever met a public school teacher who doesn't have absolute, unwavering faith that they could be making at least twice as much money in the 'private sector'?

Posted by: Brendan at August 01, 2012 06:53 PM (2jQGY)

148 Why?!

My guess, technoglitch.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:53 PM (T0NGe)

149 A Kiss In???? These people are sooo original. "I know let's shove our sexual choices in front of everyone's face! And then we'll have a show!"

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 01, 2012 06:53 PM (R/8dI)

150 Someone up-thread asked where the Kiss My Ass sign is in Georgia. It's Savannah.

If it were anywhere near Atlanta, you can bet the lumber yard would be burned to the ground by morning.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 01, 2012 06:55 PM (UOM48)

151 Anecdotally, from family members involved in business who've traveled
for business in the last few weeks, I hear "you didn't build that" has
got businesspeople small and large really angry and disgusted-- like
more indignant over this than anything else Obama has done-- like it's a
"tipping point."


I think people have been looking for a reason to dislike Obama. He's going to manage to give everybody such a reason before November.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 01, 2012 06:55 PM (T0NGe)

152 My guess, technoglitch.




She should e-mail ace and be sure to put 'Banned!?' or something in the subject so it catches his attention.


Posted by: Tami at August 01, 2012 06:55 PM (X6akg)

153 Everything Ace said above but add in CONGRESS too.

Posted by: The World According to Pecos at August 01, 2012 07:00 PM (2Gb0y)

154 That's a GOD-DAMNED LIE and a vicious misrepresentation about teachers making sure they have a check with their name on it every two weeks. We get paid once a month.

Posted by: DAve at August 01, 2012 07:02 PM (LP2Vw)

155 Posted by: lael

That's something I don't get about the success of the left. They want you to hate what you want to become. Wealthy. Everyone wants to be rich. Sure, some would turn around and give it all away, but they would enjoy giving it away. And most of the left believes in karma bullshit. Do they think karma will allow them to hate the wealthy and then allow them to become wealthy? I guess it's all just plain envy with them.

Posted by: Dang at August 01, 2012 07:07 PM (Ky1+e)

156 They are so gripped by their self-deception

Of course this is true. The stories I have heard from government workers, teachers, etc are insane.

It's like The Princess and the Pea Fairy Tale to them.

If anything upsets their fabulously puffed up and comfy world, they become extremely angry. They have to work an extra day, or do not get that one day vacation, or school extends due to snow season, or they didn't get what they expected from the annual raise (that they are guaranteed), etc.

A girlfriend of mine and I were basically within the same level of management at one time, both managing many, many folks, but she had the horrible fate of working with union workers. The stress she was always under due to her employees and the unions was sad to hear. With me, I could fire and hire according as I needed to. I worked within the budget I had created and had had approved. I could freely work to train my folks. Essentially, I was free to do what I needed to, in order to get the job done.

It really is two separate planets. Those that just expect things, versus those that work for those things.

Posted by: They always feel that pea at August 01, 2012 07:10 PM (HOOye)

157 I think ironically the OWS fever rash might have done some good. Not so much as catharsis (though there's a little of that), but as a well--publicized manifestation of what that class warfare mentality amounts to.

Posted by: lael at August 01, 2012 06:52 PM (3lQjX)


A lot of people don't get that because they see 30-second news clips.

I always compare it to extortion - "give us money or we will disrupt your lives."

Was a crime when I was growing up. Seriously, was there a policy they highlighted other than taking money from other people?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 01, 2012 07:12 PM (bxiXv)

158 "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass. I'm Ray Gaster and I approve this message."

Posted by: Gaster Lumberyard, Georgia at August 01, 2012 07:16 PM (BAnPT)

159
One of the best posts you've ever written Ace.

Spot on.

Posted by: Rev Dr E David Brookes at August 01, 2012 07:24 PM (ApGOC)

160
143Wheatie, the kiss-in will be a prime opportunity for everyoneto show up and mock them again. They are a gift to us.

Posted by: ErikW at August 01, 2012 06:50 PM (uSLGj)

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Heh.
Well...I love the idea of mocking them.
But most folks are too polite....especially conservative folks.
Which is probably what the "kiss-in protestors" are counting on.

Look at all the comments about how polite and well behaved the Chick-Fil-A customers are....
This does not surprise me.
Most conservatives are polite and well behaved.
So, I think that a lot of people will just be.....polite and grossed-out.

Posted by: wheatie at August 01, 2012 07:25 PM (mtRB0)

161 Just remember everyone that went to chick-fil-a today. You're exactly the same as the liberals that want to use to force of the government to shut them down. Per a commenter at the end of the chick-fil-a thread. http://tinyurl.com/d75od5e

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2012 07:33 PM (GULKT)

162
157....I always compare it to extortion - "give us money or we will disrupt your lives."

That's exactly what it is, Merovign....extortion.
Threatening to go on strike, or going on strike,is definitely extortion for money.
It's also a sort of terrorism.
The union is basically 'holding a gun to the head' of the businesses that they are threatening.

Which is why there should be no government unions.
It's bad enough when there are Nurses Unions going on strike...putting people's lives at risk.
Govt unions could cause even more harm.
People died during that snow storm in NY, when the union workers decided that was the time to 'make their point' about the budget cuts.

Posted by: wheatie at August 01, 2012 07:35 PM (mtRB0)

163 149
A Kiss In???? These people are sooo original. "I know let's shove our
sexual choices in front of everyone's face! And then we'll have a show!"

****
Careful....they may decide to up the ante and have a "Lick In" after loudly ordering Warm Slurpies.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at August 01, 2012 07:44 PM (FNV+6)

164 What's especially grating and galling about "you didn't build that" isn't just that someone (or an entity, "government") is taking credit and demanding gratitude for something you yourself accomplished-- that you risked much and worked hard for, put blood, sweat, tears, and years into.

It's not just that the entity demanding credit doesn't deserve the credit. It's that, for many businesses, the entity demanding credit has actually been their enemy, antagonist, nemesis, obstructing and threatening that business's success and even survival. It's as if the bully that tormented you in high school, beat you and stole your books and ate your lunch and forced you to write his papers and cheated off your exam and made your life in school and out a hellish ordeal, were to take credit for you graduating at the top of your class.

I know this as a witness to my father's experience as a business owner, who employs a good number of people and contributes handsomely to the local economy, over decades. The government bureaucrats, officials, agencies, arbitrary and nonsensical regulations (and their arbitrary and nonsensical and sometimes malicious enforcement), the red tape and the penalties and the complicated litigation (which, even when you win or settle, can take years and tons of money), the corruption (and corrupt competitors in corrupt government's pocket), the hostility to entrepreneurship and the compulsion to squash or squeeze it dry, etc. etc. etc.-- obstacle after obstacle and threat after threat posed by government-- makes the government more often than not, business's nemesis. Business kryptonite.

To hear from the enemy that time after time bound your arms or knocked you down that "you didn't build that"… that is just too much.

Posted by: lael at August 01, 2012 07:55 PM (kkXCB)

165 #116
That's what I remember about the dealership closings. A lot of them didn't make sense until you took into account that the surviving dealers had connections to the local or national Democratic party while the dealers that were shut down (even some very successful dealerships) did not. Cronyism defined. I think that will be the ultimate point of the Romney ads.
As a side note, what exactly does not confuse Jenifer Rubin?

Posted by: OCBill at August 01, 2012 08:05 PM (YJvVE)

166 "A lot of people don't get that because they see 30-second news clips." -Merovign

True. But a lot of people who would be sympathetic to OWS in principle (and started out that way) got to see it up close, in person, in their own cities-- and what they saw was ugly (something that often hurt the very people, working class people, OWS purported to be represent).

Posted by: lael at August 01, 2012 08:10 PM (kkXCB)

167 This Gastor fellow is obviously one of those independent, moderate, undecided, leaning Obama voters. We need to act more like Democrats in order to reassure them and win him over.

Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016
K. Rove, Chairman

Posted by: K. Rove Chevalier de Bush at August 01, 2012 08:40 PM (p4U6S)

168
#164
Well said! I have first hand experience as well with the anti-business attitudes of local government. I'm on the verge of losing an apartment complex. My property taxes have doubled in the span of time that rents have gone up 20%. Do the math...I sent a nice letter and spreadsheet analysis tothe county tax boardbefore the last re-assessment. No response, my taxes increased again that year. As well, I had to sue the water/sewer department to keep them from making me responsible for tenant bills. It costs me tens of thousands in legal fees. We won but its a bit of a phyrric victory in that we are probably going to lose the property now. To say they are fucking clueless is a huge understatement. Government at all levels have long since forgotten that they are the dogs, not the masters...They have spent decades feathering their own nests while ignoring the contributions of the citizenry. We needto clean house from main street to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue...

Posted by: Buy American Coal, Oil, Natural gas, and Nuclear Power at August 01, 2012 10:02 PM (cBYCG)

169 'You didn't build that' applied to 401Ks is the way to rock O's world. Because a 401K enjoys tax advantages, doesn't the government deserve a 'slice'? Blast that to the blue cities, home of thousands of corporate drones, alongside the fact that the Greeks got a 0.5% 401K 'haircut' last summer (I think it was one time but it might be every year).

Posted by: East Bay Jay at August 01, 2012 10:16 PM (7v8o1)

170 "I always want to ask these people: If you weren't drawing a paycheck
from work, would you show up anyway, just for the benefit to the
community and society?"



One aspect of this that is always overlooked is the various distinctions between -charity- work, volunteerism, and "working for a non-profit."

Seattle has a -lot- of "non-profits". Filled with people being -paid- to work there. They are 'volunteers' in the sense that they chose the field. But not in the sense of working for free.

It's a twofer. Entitlement -and- a paycheck.

Posted by: Al at August 02, 2012 01:28 AM (MzQOZ)

171 I have a lefty friend that is a high school teacher. We were debating about privatizing the school system. I about fell out of my chair when he said, "But public schools do a better job of teaching the children because they don't do it to make a profit." I was like, "You don't think the school administrators who keep voting themselves raises are worried about making a profit? The contractors that build and maintain the schools aren't worried about making a profit? The text book publishers and writers aren't worried about making a profit? In fact, you get paid to go and teach those kids everyday. I doubt you'd be willing to teach those kids purely out of the goodness of your heart." He just scratched his head and shrugged. And insisted that private schools just take in all the money, spend the bare minimums on supplies and learning material, and then do nothing more than just sit back and give students A's in penmanship. He didn't like it when I pointed out that costs of public school services has been steadily increasing over the past 30 years but the resulting test scores from the kids has stayed the same. And I pointed out a chart that shows that test scores for kids in private schools actually slightly out paces the scores from the public schools. He denied it to be true, said it wasn't possible because of the 3 years he was in private school when he was 6-9 years old and he hated it because it sucked. And provided a series of anecdotes that had nothing to do with the overall testing of children across the nation. He also didn't like it when I pointed out that his parents could have maybe afforded a better private school experience for him if they weren't having to also pay the taxes to the public school system on top of the tuitions to the private school. He just started doing what every liberal does when they lose an argument and it amounted to putting his fingers in his ears and singing LALALALALA.

Posted by: HeftyJo at August 03, 2012 03:54 PM (EN3UW)






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