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Hmmmm. I wonder if Obamatax will increase this rate? Amish Population Booms In U.S.A new Amish settlement is founded in the United States nearly once a month, according to a new census, which also found that more than 60 percent of all existing Amish communities sprang up after 1990. "The Amish are one of the fastest-growing religious groups in North America," Ohio State researcher Joseph Donnermeyer, who led the census project, said in a statement. "They're doubling their population about every 21 to 22 years, primarily because they produce large families and the vast majority of daughters and sons remain in the community as adults baptized into the faith, starting their own families and sustaining their religious beliefs and practices."Die Hard 5 I'm starting to think this director does not understand some of the draw to the Die Hard flicks. Fifth 'Die Hard' Will Be Even More Joyless Than You Thought. Um, what's the point of calling it Die Hard if you're not gonna have wisecracks or McClanisms? Here's a video of John McClane's best lines.
NHTSA said it estimates 7,630 people died in vehicle crashes in the first three months, up from 6,720 in the first quarter of 2011. The increase would end a steady decline in U.S. road deaths over the last seven years.
Obviously, we must ban fully automatic vehicles. Navy Green Fleet Navy: We'll Never, Ever Overpay For Biofuels. Um, bullshit. You already are.
Prohibiting the DoD from pursuing cost-competitive alternatives severely limits our ability to reduce reliance on fossil fuels sourced from outwardly hostile parts of the world. It is a policy position that is bad for energy security and bad for national security. As we continue the debate in Congress and across the nation about America’s energy future, let’s pursue all the options that can achieve greater energy security for our country, and not allow the conversation to be sidetracked by oversimplifying or misstating the facts.
Funny, no mention of tapping our domestic potential. And it would be cheaper and more beneficial to the economy than chasing the green biofuel boondoggle. War On Drugs
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foist
Posted by: mallfly at July 28, 2012 09:43 PM (NI3M5)
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*cough*
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 28, 2012 09:46 PM (RhqmK)
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The zebra-upholstered chair looks quite magical, too.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 09:47 PM (duVjn)
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Ahhh, the joys of the bullet bra.
So, we're still going to start that Moron Amish commune, right? I mean, we'll just say we're trying to be inclusive which is why we have those generators. And that server farm. And that armory over there. What cars? I don't see any cars, they must be hidden by the tank.
So, we're still going to start that Moron Amish commune, right? I mean, we'll just say we're trying to be inclusive which is why we have those generators. And that server farm. And that armory over there. What cars? I don't see any cars, they must be hidden by the tank.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 28, 2012 09:48 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: drstanly1 at July 28, 2012 09:48 PM (1mneR)
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How many illicit ME drugs come into Central/South America via Hezzie Air to Venezuela, I wonder?
Posted by: Kratos at July 28, 2012 09:50 PM (c1WVm)
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You go to Hell for duding up cats that way
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Neighbor Hoodlum at July 28, 2012 09:51 PM (BAnPT)
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There's a chair in Marilyn's photo?
Posted by: Hanoverfist at July 28, 2012 09:52 PM (HiKk0)
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She's laughing because she farted
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Neighbor Hoodlum at July 28, 2012 09:53 PM (BAnPT)
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9th
Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 28, 2012 09:53 PM (ZOf1l)
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 09:55 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 28, 2012 09:55 PM (ZOf1l)
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The NHS tribute would have been better if they had a line of pensioners jumping into a rubbish bin
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Neighbor Hoodlum at July 28, 2012 09:57 PM (BAnPT)
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Wait,isn't the NHS the envy of the world?
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 09:57 PM (6o4Fb)
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Looked at the Marilyn picture and all I could think was...
It's all fun and games til somebody loses an eye.
It's all fun and games til somebody loses an eye.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 09:57 PM (FIYvq)
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CDR M, are you in the comments? Because I have a suggestion.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 09:58 PM (QupBk)
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So, we're still going to start that Moron Amish commune, right? I mean, we'll just say we're trying to be inclusive which is why we have those generators. And that server farm. And that armory over there. What cars? I don't see any cars, they must be hidden by the tank.
Could we even call it Amish? I mean, what with the weapons, modern conveniences, booze, pudding and general debauchery....
Could we even call it Amish? I mean, what with the weapons, modern conveniences, booze, pudding and general debauchery....
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 28, 2012 09:58 PM (GEICT)
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How come they didn't show Mary Poppins euthanizing old people during the Olympic opening ceremonies last night?
Posted by: Kensington at July 28, 2012 09:59 PM (uaEZS)
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Marilyn's pencil reads " You'd smile to if you took as much dictation as I do."
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Neighbor Hoodlum at July 28, 2012 10:00 PM (BAnPT)
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How come they didn't show Mary Poppins euthanizing old people during the Olympic opening ceremonies last night?
That shit dragged on so long, the bodies would have started to decompose and smell before it was all over.
That shit dragged on so long, the bodies would have started to decompose and smell before it was all over.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 28, 2012 10:00 PM (RhqmK)
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Persians are the dumbest cats. Plain stupid.
Posted by: NewBrunswicker at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (XBxRP)
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It's a Sweater!
It's a Sweater!
Posted by: garrett at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (yR5oA)
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35th!? good evening and thanks for the ONT CDR M. Nice coverage
Posted by: zeera at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (lf14X)
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (sdi6R)
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The hot mess that was the opening ceremony last night is simply a confirmation of Britain's demise.
Posted by: kathysaysso at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (7nu1g)
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NICE TITS.
Posted by: typical moron 2x4 at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (BBXVy)
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Wait,isn't the NHS the envy of the world?
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 09:57 PM
I am a BIG fan.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 09:57 PM
I am a BIG fan.
Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at July 28, 2012 10:02 PM (bAGA/)
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The NHS is the poster child of why socialized medicine doesn't work, and yet they featured it as matter of national pride.
The UK doesn't even own or manufacture Raleigh bicycles domestically anymore. Other than Roles Royce, which has foreign ownership, is there really an iconic British industrial brand anymore besides maybe Virgin or BaE?
The UK doesn't even own or manufacture Raleigh bicycles domestically anymore. Other than Roles Royce, which has foreign ownership, is there really an iconic British industrial brand anymore besides maybe Virgin or BaE?
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 10:03 PM (KCvsd)
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The hot mess that was the opening ceremony last night is simply a confirmation of Britain's demise.
Mrs928 liked it, so there's no accounting for taste.
Mrs928 liked it, so there's no accounting for taste.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:03 PM (QupBk)
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How come they didn't show Mary Poppins euthanizing old people during the Olympic opening ceremonies last night?
Since they can't use their fireplaces anymore she could stuff them down the chimneys.
Since they can't use their fireplaces anymore she could stuff them down the chimneys.
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Neighbor Hoodlum at July 28, 2012 10:03 PM (BAnPT)
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Dealing with that huge increase in traffic deaths would require doing something about the huge influx of unlicensed illegal alien drivers, and that would be racist-
Posted by: DAve at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (+G0l2)
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Freak'n Amish are the biggest tax cheats and misers out there. Jews got a bad name for being cheap but they pale in comparison to the Amish. Everyone of their houses they call a church so they don't pay property taxes on that, take up all the roads with their horse and buggies, don't pay any license fees and when they can't use their horses they bum rides from their neighbors and never chip in for gas. Same with phones and most everything else, they just use other peoples stuff.
They irritate me.
They irritate me.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (GZitp)
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The OOC was like watching an elephant crap on a zebra.
Interesting, but ultimately demeaning.
And very little fun for the zebra.
Most zebras.
Interesting, but ultimately demeaning.
And very little fun for the zebra.
Most zebras.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (bbW7j)
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That "Green Fleet" program has had me pissed for a long time now.One of the first things President Romney has to do is cancel every retarded "green" project started under Obama or earlier for that matter.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (6o4Fb)
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I thought our healthcare system was pretty good.
Posted by: Josef Mengele at July 28, 2012 10:05 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:06 PM (QupBk)
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Mrs928 liked it, so there's no accounting for taste.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:03 PM (QupBk)
Well she did marry you....
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:03 PM (QupBk)
Well she did marry you....
Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2012 10:06 PM (GULKT)
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I reckon they didn't think the Medical Cost divided by Age multipled by Work Span metric employed by the NHS would fetch audience share at the opening ceremonies...
Cost of angioplasty divided byage 78 times no longer working due to retirment age ...under the NHS...amounts to...well, hey sorry have a nice day and remember NHS is here to help.
Cost of angioplasty divided byage 78 times no longer working due to retirment age ...under the NHS...amounts to...well, hey sorry have a nice day and remember NHS is here to help.
Posted by: Journolist at July 28, 2012 10:07 PM (WzLTm)
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Indeed. She thinks of me a project.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:07 PM (QupBk)
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That "Green Fleet" program has had me pissed for a long time now.One of the first things President Romney has to do is cancel every retarded "green" project started under Obama or earlier for that matter.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (6o4Fb)
Reagan did that sort of thing in 1981. He ordered a coal conversion plant championed by Jimmy the Bunny Slayer to be shut down and dismantled.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:04 PM (6o4Fb)
Reagan did that sort of thing in 1981. He ordered a coal conversion plant championed by Jimmy the Bunny Slayer to be shut down and dismantled.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:07 PM (bbW7j)
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The 6 KNOWN Jihadi groups fighting Assad in Syria.Yeah John Mac,let's get in there!!
Via Bill Roggio:
Al Qaeda in Iraq has long had a strong presence in Syria, with the assistance of the Assad regime. The terror group has used Syria to recruit, train, and arm fighters to wage jihad. Syria also has served as a transit point for foreign jihadists entering Iraq.
The Al Nusrah Front has claimed credit for numerous suicide attacks, roadside bombings, ambushes, and complex assaults against security forces and government installations. Al Nusrah has been very active in Syria and has been linked to al Qaeda.
The Abdullah Azzam Brigades has a presence throughout the Middle East, including Syria, and was formed at the behest of al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi and al Qaeda emir Osama bin Laden. At the end of June, Majid bin Muhammad al Majid, the group’s emir, said that Syrians should support the uprising against the Assad regime, and that further rebellions against Muslim governments would follow.
The Al Baraa Ibn Malik Martyrdom Brigade, which is named after a suicide cell that joined al Qaeda in Iraq in 2005, said it had formed a martyrdom battalion and was prepared to carry out suicide attacks against Syrian forces.
The Liwa al Islam, or Brigade of Islam, took credit for the attack that killed the top two Syrian defense officials and Assad’s national security advisor. The Free Syrian Army also claimed credit for the attack, and both groups said it was carried out by a remotely detonated bomb, but the Syrian government maintained it was a suicide attack.
The Omar al Farouq Brigade includes Turkish “mujahideen” and is named after a prominent al Qaeda leader who was slain in Iraq in 2006. The group has implored Muslims to “fight together to save Syria, Somalia and Afghanistan.”
Via Bill Roggio:
Al Qaeda in Iraq has long had a strong presence in Syria, with the assistance of the Assad regime. The terror group has used Syria to recruit, train, and arm fighters to wage jihad. Syria also has served as a transit point for foreign jihadists entering Iraq.
The Al Nusrah Front has claimed credit for numerous suicide attacks, roadside bombings, ambushes, and complex assaults against security forces and government installations. Al Nusrah has been very active in Syria and has been linked to al Qaeda.
The Abdullah Azzam Brigades has a presence throughout the Middle East, including Syria, and was formed at the behest of al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi and al Qaeda emir Osama bin Laden. At the end of June, Majid bin Muhammad al Majid, the group’s emir, said that Syrians should support the uprising against the Assad regime, and that further rebellions against Muslim governments would follow.
The Al Baraa Ibn Malik Martyrdom Brigade, which is named after a suicide cell that joined al Qaeda in Iraq in 2005, said it had formed a martyrdom battalion and was prepared to carry out suicide attacks against Syrian forces.
The Liwa al Islam, or Brigade of Islam, took credit for the attack that killed the top two Syrian defense officials and Assad’s national security advisor. The Free Syrian Army also claimed credit for the attack, and both groups said it was carried out by a remotely detonated bomb, but the Syrian government maintained it was a suicide attack.
The Omar al Farouq Brigade includes Turkish “mujahideen” and is named after a prominent al Qaeda leader who was slain in Iraq in 2006. The group has implored Muslims to “fight together to save Syria, Somalia and Afghanistan.”
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:08 PM (6o4Fb)
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as a project.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:08 PM (QupBk)
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How come they didn't show Mary Poppins euthanizing old people during the Olympic opening ceremonies last night?
That crone in black was Mary Poppins? I thought it was the NHS Angel of Death pulling the plug on those sick kids.
That crone in black was Mary Poppins? I thought it was the NHS Angel of Death pulling the plug on those sick kids.
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at July 28, 2012 10:09 PM (vt8fq)
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Marilyn was good shit, but not nearly as tight as a 19 year old.
Posted by: Zombie JFK at July 28, 2012 10:10 PM (3ZjAP)
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Could we even call it Amish? I mean, what with the weapons, modern conveniences, booze, pudding and general debauchery....
With an upgrade to full 2nd Amendment compliance we could call ourselves "Armish."
Could we even call it Amish? I mean, what with the weapons, modern conveniences, booze, pudding and general debauchery....
With an upgrade to full 2nd Amendment compliance we could call ourselves "Armish."
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at July 28, 2012 10:10 PM (2Oas0)
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41 The 6 KNOWN Jihadi groups fighting Assad in Syria.Yeah John Mac,let's get in there!!
Wonderful. How long until they get ahold of some of Assad's "poor man's nukes"?
BTW -
Netanyahu, Obama aide discussed possibility of Iran strike, U.S. official says
http://tinyurl.com/czvmwge
Wonderful. How long until they get ahold of some of Assad's "poor man's nukes"?
BTW -
Netanyahu, Obama aide discussed possibility of Iran strike, U.S. official says
http://tinyurl.com/czvmwge
Posted by: Kratos at July 28, 2012 10:11 PM (c1WVm)
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I'm surprised that morons are dissing on European Handball. I played that at school when I lived in Germany and really enjoyed it. It's like basketball merged with soccer.
When Boy928 was in middle school, I pitched the game to the PE coaches as something they could play on rainy days, but got no interest in it.
When Boy928 was in middle school, I pitched the game to the PE coaches as something they could play on rainy days, but got no interest in it.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:11 PM (QupBk)
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So if I live a good life, maybe, just maybe, I can get reincarnated as that red sweater...Or hell, the chair.
Posted by: DanInMN at July 28, 2012 10:11 PM (mGL6P)
Posted by: Zombie Bobby at July 28, 2012 10:11 PM (3ZjAP)
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Could we even call it Amish? I mean, what with the weapons, modern conveniences, booze, pudding and general debauchery....Posted by:BCochran1981 at July 28, 2012 09:58 PM (GEICT) ......................................Amish Reform Church. No problem.
Posted by: Invictos at July 28, 2012 10:12 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:12 PM (bbW7j)
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With an upgrade to full 2nd Amendment compliance we could call ourselves "Armish."
I say we just stick with the Moron label. Stay under the radar.
I say we just stick with the Moron label. Stay under the radar.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 28, 2012 10:13 PM (GEICT)
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49 I bet the Kennedy's were as good in bed as they are at driving and flying planes.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:14 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Zombie Bobby at July 28, 2012 10:14 PM (3ZjAP)
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So if I live a good life, maybe, just maybe, I can get reincarnated as that red sweater...Or hell, the chair.
Nah, you don't want it. I wore it and it stinks about as bad as her vagina that I'm wearing now.
So if I live a good life, maybe, just maybe, I can get reincarnated as that red sweater...Or hell, the chair.
Nah, you don't want it. I wore it and it stinks about as bad as her vagina that I'm wearing now.
Posted by: Ed Gein at July 28, 2012 10:14 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: Zombie Teddy at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (3ZjAP)
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The so called, 'War on Drugs' has been a complete and utter failure.
It has cost trillions of dollars and has resulted in millions of deaths world wide. For what exactly?
It has cost trillions of dollars and has resulted in millions of deaths world wide. For what exactly?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (DWgdc)
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Only a disgraced public figure would consider joining the much-maligned ranks of the federal workforce as a step up, reputation-wise. We can assume there were no openings for a used-car salesman.
Spanier was faulted in an internal Penn State report after the conviction on child-molestation charges of former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. The report said he, head coach Joe Paterno and others helped cover up Sandusky’s abuse.
His lawyer confirms to the Loop that Spanier is working on a part-time consulting basis for a “top-secret” agency on national security issues. But the gig is so hush-hush, he couldn’t even tell his attorneys the name of the agency. In April — months after his ouster as president but before the release of the internal report — he told the Patriot-News of central Pennsylvania that he was working on a “special project for the U.S. government relating [to] national security.”
But who’s he working for? The CIA? Homeland Security? Or maybe just a dull consulting firm with a government contract?
“I have no idea,”says his lawyer, Peter Vaira. “We know the work is in security and he’s prohibited from disclosing which agency or agencies he’s working for.”
After the internal report was released, Spanier complained in a statement from his attorneys that the document didn’t make mention of his government clearance — something he apparently thought was evidence of his trustworthiness. He noted that his security clearance (which he apparently had first obtained while at Penn State) “required a re-review when the Sandusky matter surfaced in November” and that federal investigators conducted their own probe of his role in the Sandusky scandal. The federal investigation ended with his security clearance being “reaffirmed,” the statement read.
I can’t think of anything clever to say about that except that it makes me ill.
Spanier was faulted in an internal Penn State report after the conviction on child-molestation charges of former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. The report said he, head coach Joe Paterno and others helped cover up Sandusky’s abuse.
His lawyer confirms to the Loop that Spanier is working on a part-time consulting basis for a “top-secret” agency on national security issues. But the gig is so hush-hush, he couldn’t even tell his attorneys the name of the agency. In April — months after his ouster as president but before the release of the internal report — he told the Patriot-News of central Pennsylvania that he was working on a “special project for the U.S. government relating [to] national security.”
But who’s he working for? The CIA? Homeland Security? Or maybe just a dull consulting firm with a government contract?
“I have no idea,”says his lawyer, Peter Vaira. “We know the work is in security and he’s prohibited from disclosing which agency or agencies he’s working for.”
After the internal report was released, Spanier complained in a statement from his attorneys that the document didn’t make mention of his government clearance — something he apparently thought was evidence of his trustworthiness. He noted that his security clearance (which he apparently had first obtained while at Penn State) “required a re-review when the Sandusky matter surfaced in November” and that federal investigators conducted their own probe of his role in the Sandusky scandal. The federal investigation ended with his security clearance being “reaffirmed,” the statement read.
I can’t think of anything clever to say about that except that it makes me ill.
Posted by: Joe Paterno at July 28, 2012 10:17 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (zsu+c)
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So I was listening to the goddamned NPR station and that goddamned program "Fresh Air" was on, hosted by that goddamned idiot lady Terry Gross. She was doing a goddamned interview with Aaron Sorkin about his goddamned new show The Newsroom -- you know, the one where Aaron Sorkin's goddamned sockpuppet character retroactively wins every goddamned political argument Aaron Sorkin has gotten into over the past decade.
Anyway, one example of how goddamned smart and clever the show is was a goddamned clip they played where the goddamned sockpuppet character says something clever like "I'm a Republican, but I know hurricanes are caused by increased barometric pressure and not gay marriage."
Anybody see what's wrong with that? Hurricanes are caused by LOW pressure. But goddamned Aaron Sorkin who is smarter than all us dumb conservatives didn't know that. Aaron Sorkin's legion of goddamned ass-kissing interns and production assistants didn't know that. Terry Fucking Gross and all the goddamned smart people at NPR didn't know that.
They're a bunch of goddamned idiots who are convinced they are smarter than everyone else, and they think that being smart justifies being a bunch of goddamned lying, cheating, corrupt motherfuckers.
Anyway, one example of how goddamned smart and clever the show is was a goddamned clip they played where the goddamned sockpuppet character says something clever like "I'm a Republican, but I know hurricanes are caused by increased barometric pressure and not gay marriage."
Anybody see what's wrong with that? Hurricanes are caused by LOW pressure. But goddamned Aaron Sorkin who is smarter than all us dumb conservatives didn't know that. Aaron Sorkin's legion of goddamned ass-kissing interns and production assistants didn't know that. Terry Fucking Gross and all the goddamned smart people at NPR didn't know that.
They're a bunch of goddamned idiots who are convinced they are smarter than everyone else, and they think that being smart justifies being a bunch of goddamned lying, cheating, corrupt motherfuckers.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (tyc47)
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Go ahead Toby.
Posted by: CDR M at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (dKV5k)
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Moron: Anything you can do, I can do better,
I can do anything better than you ...
Marilyn: I can wear a bullet bra and a red sweater ...
I can do anything better than you ...
Marilyn: I can wear a bullet bra and a red sweater ...
Posted by: Yeah ... that about covers it ... at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (qmMAj)
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I mean, we'll just say we're trying to be inclusive
We going to use that to explain the valurite fueled hobo hunts too?
We going to use that to explain the valurite fueled hobo hunts too?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (7fHON)
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For what exactly?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (DWgdc)
....................................the anti drug folk sleep well an night. Other than that, I've got nothing.
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (DWgdc)
....................................the anti drug folk sleep well an night. Other than that, I've got nothing.
Posted by: Invictos at July 28, 2012 10:18 PM (OQpzc)
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I stand by my counterproposal for the Opening Ceremony of replacing whatever was on last night with the Top Gear blokes running and narrating the whole show and doing some full-on UK dick wagging, with the Stig crashing through a wall in a Challenger 2 or an Aston Martin to "Painkiller" by Judas Priest. Come to think of it, replace Frankie Goes to Hollywood with Motorhead and all will be well.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at July 28, 2012 10:19 PM (JPvjB)
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The so called, 'War on Drugs' has been a complete and utter failure.
It has cost trillions of dollars and has resulted in millions of deaths world wide. For what exactly?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (DWgdc)
Sometimes it takes a very long time for a bad idea to go away.
It has cost trillions of dollars and has resulted in millions of deaths world wide. For what exactly?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:16 PM (DWgdc)
Sometimes it takes a very long time for a bad idea to go away.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:19 PM (bbW7j)
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Hey, I meant Jack, not Jackie. She never did Marilyn, she had a horse trainer she fucked.
Posted by: Zombie Teddy at July 28, 2012 10:21 PM (3ZjAP)
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Sometimes it takes a very long time for a bad idea to go away.
Sometimes it only takes 4 years ...
Sometimes it only takes 4 years ...
Posted by: Astute political observer who's obviously a racist ... at July 28, 2012 10:21 PM (qmMAj)
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g'evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 28, 2012 10:21 PM (JMmQ9)
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60 Bonus points for the most uses of "goddamn" I've ever seen in one post.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:22 PM (6o4Fb)
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>>crashing through a wall in a Challenger 2 or an Aston Martin to "Painkiller" by Judas Priest.
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Excellent....'this...is...the pain-kill-er...'
>>crashing through a wall in a Challenger 2 or an Aston Martin to "Painkiller" by Judas Priest.
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Excellent....'this...is...the pain-kill-er...'
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:22 PM (zsu+c)
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:24 PM (bbW7j)
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My Amish rant pales to the Trimegistus Sorkin rant. I need to step up my game.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 10:25 PM (GZitp)
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Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:22 PM (zsu+c)
Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at July 28, 2012 10:25 PM (JPvjB)
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Well, if Walter White ever gets his meth lab running for longer than a week, you're gonna have a real problem down there.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:25 PM (zsu+c)
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Nothing like the laugh you get reading a comment on Youtube by a user named "katyperryfan4ever11" that reads, "Obama sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (imVgX)
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Good evening 'rons. Obama ate a dog.
OccupyBoulder went marching through Pearl and Walnut tonight. "Whose streets, our streets" I assume in solidarity with Anaheim. I gave them double barrelled middle fingers. Provoking one of them to slap my fingers with a sign.
I feel AWESOME.
OccupyBoulder went marching through Pearl and Walnut tonight. "Whose streets, our streets" I assume in solidarity with Anaheim. I gave them double barrelled middle fingers. Provoking one of them to slap my fingers with a sign.
I feel AWESOME.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (B5+l+)
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Yeah, when a hit of crack is running about 3-5$ you have to admit we ain't stopping shit. Kind of like Border Patrol. They don't stop shit either.
Posted by: Invictos at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (OQpzc)
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>>Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
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Yep, their best album.
>>Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
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Yep, their best album.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (zsu+c)
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Go ahead Toby.
Start putting up a morning and evening Olympic results spoiler thread. I'm watching the games on DVR to fit my schedule and morons keep giving the results of events so I am more or less have to avoid the HQ.
Besides, it's cheap and easy content.
Start putting up a morning and evening Olympic results spoiler thread. I'm watching the games on DVR to fit my schedule and morons keep giving the results of events so I am more or less have to avoid the HQ.
Besides, it's cheap and easy content.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:27 PM (QupBk)
81
79
>>Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
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Yep, their best album.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (zsu+c)
--I think it came out in '90.
>>Apparently angry metal Jesus on a motorcycle. The song is pure 80s metal awesomeness.
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Yep, their best album.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:26 PM (zsu+c)
--I think it came out in '90.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:27 PM (imVgX)
82
And another thing, kittens in superhero costumes are to goddamn cute.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 10:28 PM (GZitp)
83
They're a bunch of goddamned idiots who are convinced they are smarter than everyone else, and they think that being smart justifies being a bunch of goddamned lying, cheating, corrupt motherfuckers.
Posted by: Trimegistus
This is why I keep coming back. I love your commentary, Tri. Don't stop, ever.
Posted by: Trimegistus
This is why I keep coming back. I love your commentary, Tri. Don't stop, ever.
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2012 10:30 PM (dZmFh)
84
The so called, 'War on Drugs' has been a complete and utter failure.
My fear is that legalizing them, or doing nothing and let what happens happen, coupled with the Welfare State that we currently have, is a recipe for real ugly trouble.
My fear is that legalizing them, or doing nothing and let what happens happen, coupled with the Welfare State that we currently have, is a recipe for real ugly trouble.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (duVjn)
85
Ya, Painkiller was released 3 September 1990 but it was pretty much the peak of their 80's metal thing...they got kinda wierd after that, Halford quit, they had a different singer for a while, then he came back but it wasn't ever as good, IMHO.
Ya, Painkiller was released 3 September 1990 but it was pretty much the peak of their 80's metal thing...they got kinda wierd after that, Halford quit, they had a different singer for a while, then he came back but it wasn't ever as good, IMHO.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (zsu+c)
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (SAMxH)
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Dear Miss Manners,
What is the polite and proper period of time to wait after the Summer Olympics to flatten Iran?
Best Regards,
Bibi
What is the polite and proper period of time to wait after the Summer Olympics to flatten Iran?
Best Regards,
Bibi
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (bbW7j)
88
I had a creepy experience involving the Amish a few years ago. I was driving from where I live out to the Midwest, and by about 11 p.m. I was west of Columbus, Ohio, looking for a place to sleep. I got off at some exit, slept about six hours, and woke early, unable to get back to sleep. Fortunately, there was a huge Amish restaurant just up the road from the motel, open at the crack of dawn. So I checked out, ate a huge and delicious breakfast, and drove on my way.
On the return trip I tried to find it again. No luck. I've made a couple more trips through there. Still no luck. I spent a couple of hours using Google, trying to find where I stayed and ate breakfast. No luck.
Submitted for your approval: a tired motorist finds the perfect Amish restaurant, but can never find it again. They close up early . . .
in the Twilight Zone.
On the return trip I tried to find it again. No luck. I've made a couple more trips through there. Still no luck. I spent a couple of hours using Google, trying to find where I stayed and ate breakfast. No luck.
Submitted for your approval: a tired motorist finds the perfect Amish restaurant, but can never find it again. They close up early . . .
in the Twilight Zone.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (tyc47)
89
--I think it came out in '90.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:27 PM (imVgX)
Eh, close enough.
--I think it came out in '90.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:27 PM (imVgX)
Eh, close enough.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (JPvjB)
90
Ah good point Toby.
Posted by: CDR M at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (dKV5k)
91
If we started a Moron Amish village, I could finally realize my lifelong dream of becoming a Psychiatric Gynecologist.
Posted by: Scobface at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (IoNBC)
92
Hai moki!
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 10:32 PM (B5+l+)
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:32 PM (QupBk)
94
My fear is that legalizing them, or doing nothing and let what happens happen, coupled with the Welfare State that we currently have, is a recipe for real ugly trouble.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (duVjn)
You have to push the Start button on the self-cleaning oven or the problem will never go away.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (duVjn)
You have to push the Start button on the self-cleaning oven or the problem will never go away.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:34 PM (bbW7j)
95
86 So how much difference would it make if you simply executed every dealer you caught?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (SAMxH)
Well it would increase the turnover rate giving more folks a chance.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (SAMxH)
Well it would increase the turnover rate giving more folks a chance.
Posted by: CDR M at July 28, 2012 10:34 PM (dKV5k)
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So how much difference would it make if you simply executed every dealer you caught?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (SAMxH)
.................................. A lot, but we won't do that, so we need a backup plan. Big gov failure, or something rational.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (SAMxH)
.................................. A lot, but we won't do that, so we need a backup plan. Big gov failure, or something rational.
Posted by: Invictos at July 28, 2012 10:35 PM (OQpzc)
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I spent a couple of hours using Google, trying to find where I stayed and ate breakfast. No luck.
Have you tried Google Earth to look for the building arrangement // layout of the land?
Have you tried Google Earth to look for the building arrangement // layout of the land?
Posted by: Astute political observer who's obviously a racist ... at July 28, 2012 10:36 PM (qmMAj)
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Ya, Painkiller was released 3 September 1990 but it
was pretty much the peak of their 80's metal thing...they got kinda
wierd after that, Halford quit, they had a different singer for a while,
then he came back but it wasn't ever as good, IMHO.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (zsu+c)
I'm still picturing my ideal world where Clarkson's narrating with that in the background while the Stig tears ass around a track to (insert British super car here). This ensues for about three hours as the Olympic opening ceremony
Also in this ideal world, Martin Campbell is contracted to make Bond movies until he dies and Dogfish Head products are calorie free and just as inebriating.
was pretty much the peak of their 80's metal thing...they got kinda
wierd after that, Halford quit, they had a different singer for a while,
then he came back but it wasn't ever as good, IMHO.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (zsu+c)
I'm still picturing my ideal world where Clarkson's narrating with that in the background while the Stig tears ass around a track to (insert British super car here). This ensues for about three hours as the Olympic opening ceremony
Also in this ideal world, Martin Campbell is contracted to make Bond movies until he dies and Dogfish Head products are calorie free and just as inebriating.
Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at July 28, 2012 10:36 PM (JPvjB)
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The NHS people looked like better dancers than medical personnel. Mr. Bean and Kenneth "honest Abe" Branagh stole the show. Everything past that was crap, if your biggest accomplishment as a country the past 50 years is music you have problems. It went farmers, industrialists, soldiers,...musicians?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at July 28, 2012 10:36 PM (ZhEoC)
100
Hai Boulder!!! How are you?
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2012 10:37 PM (dZmFh)
101
Smuggler's Blues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_Viz7BA6U
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:37 PM (QupBk)
102
Ya, Painkiller was released 3 September 1990 but it was pretty much the peak of their 80's metal thing...they got kinda wierd after that, Halford quit, they had a different singer for a while, then he came back but it wasn't ever as good, IMHO.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (zsu+c)
--I still recall a redneck friend from college going nuts when Halford left. He was not just relieved but overjoyed when the Fight album came out.
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (zsu+c)
--I still recall a redneck friend from college going nuts when Halford left. He was not just relieved but overjoyed when the Fight album came out.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:37 PM (imVgX)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 28, 2012 10:37 PM (ZOf1l)
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@86
It would make a tremendous difference.
Also if you were to sentence 1st time offenders to life in prison that would also go a long way to winning the 'War on Drugs'
It would also be fucking evil as I don't believe the government should have the right to tell anyone you can't inhale this plant (marijuana) but you can inhale this plant (tobacco) or any other so called 'illicit' drug.
Are we not free people to do as we wish?
It would make a tremendous difference.
Also if you were to sentence 1st time offenders to life in prison that would also go a long way to winning the 'War on Drugs'
It would also be fucking evil as I don't believe the government should have the right to tell anyone you can't inhale this plant (marijuana) but you can inhale this plant (tobacco) or any other so called 'illicit' drug.
Are we not free people to do as we wish?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:38 PM (DWgdc)
105
If you start executing drug dealers as you catch them, you will generate a new population of smarter and more ruthless drug dealers.
The only way to win the war on drugs is to surrender.
The only way to win the war on drugs is to surrender.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:38 PM (bbW7j)
Posted by: The Brits at July 28, 2012 10:39 PM (vbh31)
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Are we not free people to do as we wish?
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:38 PM (DWgdc)
Exactly.
Both sides of the aisle have their Nanny impulses.
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:38 PM (DWgdc)
Exactly.
Both sides of the aisle have their Nanny impulses.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:39 PM (bbW7j)
Posted by: Beavis and Butt-Head at July 28, 2012 10:40 PM (imVgX)
109
My fear is that legalizing them, or doing nothing and let what happens happen, coupled with the Welfare State that we currently have, is a recipe for real ugly trouble.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (duVjn)
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I see the point in that fear...but I think once "dealer" becomes just a job at some lame storefront in the mall, with a dorky uniform and a legit paycheck with taxes taken out and income reported to the government (so no welfare) the appeal of selling, and to some extent using, drugs will go way down. That right there is a good chunk of the gang problem; legalizing prostitution would be another. Sure welfare (oh, I'm sorry, SSDI) recipients will spend their checks on drugs, but they already spend it badly on all the other crap sold at the mall, and the liquor store and the 7-11.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (duVjn)
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I see the point in that fear...but I think once "dealer" becomes just a job at some lame storefront in the mall, with a dorky uniform and a legit paycheck with taxes taken out and income reported to the government (so no welfare) the appeal of selling, and to some extent using, drugs will go way down. That right there is a good chunk of the gang problem; legalizing prostitution would be another. Sure welfare (oh, I'm sorry, SSDI) recipients will spend their checks on drugs, but they already spend it badly on all the other crap sold at the mall, and the liquor store and the 7-11.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 10:40 PM (FIYvq)
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Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (bbW7j)
6 days. The end of Ramadan is on August 18th, 6 days after the Olympic Games Closing Ceremony.
6 days. The end of Ramadan is on August 18th, 6 days after the Olympic Games Closing Ceremony.
Posted by: Miss Manners at July 28, 2012 10:40 PM (c1WVm)
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Toby how dare you imply we are easy! That is mean and cruel like accurately quoting Obama!
Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at July 28, 2012 10:40 PM (Gk3SS)
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94 Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:34 PM (bbW7j)
You have to push the Start button on the self-cleaning oven or the problem will never go away.
That works, but there are problems. I prefer cleaning up spills after they happen, periodic PM, and trying to prevent the problem in the first place.
There are at least 2 kinds of ugly poverty in the world: 1) the Urban City variety, that got us Teh Lightbringer, who would Pay Our Mortgages, and 2) the Third World: see most of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, much of each Mexican city along the US border ...
I've seen both. I want both (and any other varieties) to be Not Here In The US.
You have to push the Start button on the self-cleaning oven or the problem will never go away.
That works, but there are problems. I prefer cleaning up spills after they happen, periodic PM, and trying to prevent the problem in the first place.
There are at least 2 kinds of ugly poverty in the world: 1) the Urban City variety, that got us Teh Lightbringer, who would Pay Our Mortgages, and 2) the Third World: see most of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, much of each Mexican city along the US border ...
I've seen both. I want both (and any other varieties) to be Not Here In The US.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (duVjn)
113
>>I'm still picturing my ideal world where Clarkson's narrating with that in the background while the Stig tears ass around a track to (insert British super car here). This ensues for about three hours as the Olympic opening ceremony
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I guess we'd all like to see the Brits stop crawling in the mud and stand up again
>>I still recall a redneck friend from college going nuts when Halford left. He was not just relieved but overjoyed when the Fight album came out.
----
I liked a couple of Fight songs but I was always more on the band's side than Halford's side...used to play guitar in a Judas Priest tribute band
>>I'm still picturing my ideal world where Clarkson's narrating with that in the background while the Stig tears ass around a track to (insert British super car here). This ensues for about three hours as the Olympic opening ceremony
----
I guess we'd all like to see the Brits stop crawling in the mud and stand up again
>>I still recall a redneck friend from college going nuts when Halford left. He was not just relieved but overjoyed when the Fight album came out.
----
I liked a couple of Fight songs but I was always more on the band's side than Halford's side...used to play guitar in a Judas Priest tribute band
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (zsu+c)
114
Gin was the crack cocaine of the Victorian era. With no Welfare State, it burned itself out over time.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (QupBk)
115
Oh, yes. I looked at the aerial view of every exit along my route. No dice.
Putting on my rational skeptic hat, there's two possibilities:
1. I wasn't where I remember being. Maybe I drove a bit on a side road before stopping.
2. Maybe the place was brand-new and hasn't made it onto the Google Maps images yet.
Putting on my rational skeptic hat, there's two possibilities:
1. I wasn't where I remember being. Maybe I drove a bit on a side road before stopping.
2. Maybe the place was brand-new and hasn't made it onto the Google Maps images yet.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:42 PM (tyc47)
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@103...doesn't play in Canada but I have the album...
Posted by: CanaDave at July 28, 2012 10:42 PM (zsu+c)
117
Goddamn.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 28, 2012 10:44 PM (jucos)
118
Long story short, My sister and I just booked tickets for the British open golf next year. We now have to plan the rest of our trip around that. I want to go to Ireland and she want's London. We have had a bit of to and fro about this..This morning I texted her and told her to watch the opening that wasfoisted upon us all last night. We are going to Ireland!!
Posted by: girl with open tickets who doesn't want to go to London at July 28, 2012 10:44 PM (w/QcJ)
119
#105
The only way to win the war on drugs is to make it more costly for the producers to produce product than people are willing to pay for that project.
Either that or get rid of the cultural problems which produce and condone shithead drug users.
The only way to win the war on drugs is to make it more costly for the producers to produce product than people are willing to pay for that project.
Either that or get rid of the cultural problems which produce and condone shithead drug users.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 10:44 PM (KCvsd)
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Maybe the place was brand-new and hasn't made it onto the Google Maps images yet.
Maybe only the elect may dine there, and then, only once.
Maybe only the elect may dine there, and then, only once.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:45 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:46 PM (DWgdc)
122
The exit sign didn't happen to mention Brigadoon, did it?
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:46 PM (QupBk)
123
I've seen both. I want both (and any other varieties) to be Not Here In The US.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (duVjn)
The Drug War and Poverty don't overlap enough to merit consideration.
It is a question of Liberty and faith in markets to find the optimum equilibrium position.
Drugs should be legal for the same reasons ethanol should be legal.
They are trying a selective prohibition and it is working as well as the prohibition of alcohol worked.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (duVjn)
The Drug War and Poverty don't overlap enough to merit consideration.
It is a question of Liberty and faith in markets to find the optimum equilibrium position.
Drugs should be legal for the same reasons ethanol should be legal.
They are trying a selective prohibition and it is working as well as the prohibition of alcohol worked.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:46 PM (bbW7j)
124
Oh, yes. I looked at the aerial view of every exit along my route. No dice.
Putting on my rational skeptic hat, there's two possibilities:
1. I wasn't where I remember being. Maybe I drove a bit on a side road before stopping.
2. Maybe the place was brand-new and hasn't made it onto the Google Maps images yet.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:42 PM (tyc47)
See if you can find it on this map.
http://tinyurl.com/dxu58dc
Putting on my rational skeptic hat, there's two possibilities:
1. I wasn't where I remember being. Maybe I drove a bit on a side road before stopping.
2. Maybe the place was brand-new and hasn't made it onto the Google Maps images yet.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:42 PM (tyc47)
See if you can find it on this map.
http://tinyurl.com/dxu58dc
Posted by: Tami at July 28, 2012 10:48 PM (X6akg)
125
Life is good, moki: got my old (2005) laptop working again... now I can spend all my afternoons in downtown Boulder!
Oh, wait.
Well at least I have a laptop again :^)
Oh, wait.
Well at least I have a laptop again :^)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (B5+l+)
126
Not really interested in discussing the drug war, it was just the thought of some low life bastard deliberately targeting kids.
As a way of making a living.
Not really interested in discussing the drug war, it was just the thought of some low life bastard deliberately targeting kids.
As a way of making a living.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (SAMxH)
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114 Gin was the crack cocaine of the Victorian era. With no Welfare State, it burned itself out over time.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (QupBk)
--Well put, although actual cocaine emerged at taht time as well.
I'm all for immediate legalization of pot and respect the arguments for legalizing some other stuff, but with the years I have come to realize that unless the welfare state is almost completely dismantled/ruined, legalization is a wash at best versus the status quo.
Posted by: toby928© at July 28, 2012 10:41 PM (QupBk)
--Well put, although actual cocaine emerged at taht time as well.
I'm all for immediate legalization of pot and respect the arguments for legalizing some other stuff, but with the years I have come to realize that unless the welfare state is almost completely dismantled/ruined, legalization is a wash at best versus the status quo.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (imVgX)
128
The only way to win the war on drugs is to make it more costly for the producers to produce product than people are willing to pay for that project.
Either that or get rid of the cultural problems which produce and condone shithead drug users.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 10:44 PM (KCvsd)
That is what we have been trying for the last forty years.
Drugs have gotten cheaper and more available during that time.
As for culture, a large fraction of the US drug users are soccer Moms and regular folks with jobs and plenty of income.
Either that or get rid of the cultural problems which produce and condone shithead drug users.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 10:44 PM (KCvsd)
That is what we have been trying for the last forty years.
Drugs have gotten cheaper and more available during that time.
As for culture, a large fraction of the US drug users are soccer Moms and regular folks with jobs and plenty of income.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (bbW7j)
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109 Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 10:40 PM (FIYvq)
...but I think once "dealer" becomes just a job at some lame storefront in the mall, with a dorky uniform and a legit paycheck with taxes taken out and income reported to the government (so no welfare) the appeal of selling, and to some extent using, drugs will go way down.
Maybe, but I wouldn't put money on this.
That right there is a good chunk of the gang problem; legalizing prostitution would be another.
Again, maybe .....
Sure welfare (oh, I'm sorry, SSDI) recipients will spend their checks on drugs, but they already spend it badly on all the other crap sold at the mall, and the liquor store and the 7-11.
This is where the problem is.
A very large majority of current SSDI recipients can be made to work. Open up unskilled jobs by requiring verification of employment eligibility, and then give the current recipients a choice: work, and get to live indoors and eat human food ... or not.
Allow them to become, well, zombies, and very many may be unable. Then there are the social issues: their dependents, and subsequent generations.
I've seen, in person for months at a time, the poverty of the Third World. Once people fall far enough (or never really leave the Agricultural Society they've had for ~5000 years),many see no need to try.
But in our country, their vote is as good as everyone else's ... hence, Teh JEF.
...but I think once "dealer" becomes just a job at some lame storefront in the mall, with a dorky uniform and a legit paycheck with taxes taken out and income reported to the government (so no welfare) the appeal of selling, and to some extent using, drugs will go way down.
Maybe, but I wouldn't put money on this.
That right there is a good chunk of the gang problem; legalizing prostitution would be another.
Again, maybe .....
Sure welfare (oh, I'm sorry, SSDI) recipients will spend their checks on drugs, but they already spend it badly on all the other crap sold at the mall, and the liquor store and the 7-11.
This is where the problem is.
A very large majority of current SSDI recipients can be made to work. Open up unskilled jobs by requiring verification of employment eligibility, and then give the current recipients a choice: work, and get to live indoors and eat human food ... or not.
Allow them to become, well, zombies, and very many may be unable. Then there are the social issues: their dependents, and subsequent generations.
I've seen, in person for months at a time, the poverty of the Third World. Once people fall far enough (or never really leave the Agricultural Society they've had for ~5000 years),many see no need to try.
But in our country, their vote is as good as everyone else's ... hence, Teh JEF.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:52 PM (duVjn)
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I'm more curious about the regulation of the prescription drug market. Why, for example, should the eyedrops I take be prescription only? Is there any street value to them? No. Are they habit-forming at all? No. It seems silly to me.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:53 PM (imVgX)
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Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (imVgX)
I'll bet that the correlation between your worst (specifically: underachieving) students and their pot smoking is pretty damned near 1.
For adults? Sure. But children need to be kept away from drugs.
I'll bet that the correlation between your worst (specifically: underachieving) students and their pot smoking is pretty damned near 1.
For adults? Sure. But children need to be kept away from drugs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:53 PM (nEUpB)
132
Thing is, legalizing drugs won't reduce the draconian enforcement one whit. Look at how vigorously DUI is prosecuted nowadays. The cops would be all over legal drug users, trying to catch them driving, trying to catch them using untaxed drugs, etc. The War On Drugs didn't cause that legal environment, it's an effect.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 10:54 PM (tyc47)
133
Drugs should be legal for the same reasons ethanol should be legal.
Based on that logic, any driver that qualifies for the Indy 500 should be able to do 200 mph in a school zone ...
Based on that logic, any driver that qualifies for the Indy 500 should be able to do 200 mph in a school zone ...
Posted by: Astute political observer who's obviously a racist ... at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (qmMAj)
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Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 10:49 PM (B5+l+)
2005?
My desktop is a 2003.
You're rich!
2005?
My desktop is a 2003.
You're rich!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (nEUpB)
135
For adults? Sure. But children need to be kept away from drugs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:53 PM (nEUpB)
--Maybe so, but pot's no worse than alcohol in that regard (and I think there should be no age limit to booze either).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:53 PM (nEUpB)
--Maybe so, but pot's no worse than alcohol in that regard (and I think there should be no age limit to booze either).
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (imVgX)
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The problem with legalizing drugs is where do you stop. You can drink booze all your life and not become addicted to it. You can't do that with heroin or oxycontin or several other drugs.
The problem with legalizing drugs is where do you stop. You can drink booze all your life and not become addicted to it. You can't do that with heroin or oxycontin or several other drugs.
Posted by: robtr Rum Liberation Front at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (MtwBb)
137
So they memorialize the 7/7 attack and inflict that horrid tripe on us for minutes upon time. Searing it deeply into our cringing psyches.
But they can't bloody spare one moment of silence for the Israeli athletes murdered in Munich. Jeremy Clarkson can go crash a flaming Jag into his ego.
But they can't bloody spare one moment of silence for the Israeli athletes murdered in Munich. Jeremy Clarkson can go crash a flaming Jag into his ego.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 28, 2012 10:56 PM (ENmf2)
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I had something snarky to say about all the ONT bullet points then I saw the pic Of Marilyn Monroe...brain mush...
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 10:56 PM (enQ33)
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Re: The Navy and Biofuels
I turned on NPR for some laughs a few weeks ago and listened to some Admiral spouting off the usual watermelon garbage "I'm going to trust the people who know about these things, 95% of scientists agree..."
They've infested the highest levels of government and our military. This boondoggle isn't going away anytime soon. All the skidmarks on that panel were using the excuse about our military being on the cutting edge of RD, so they should be on the forefront of biofuel research. What they fail to mention is the RD the military spends the most time and money on is for tech that increases combat effectiveness.
Biofuels don't fall into that category, assholes.
I turned on NPR for some laughs a few weeks ago and listened to some Admiral spouting off the usual watermelon garbage "I'm going to trust the people who know about these things, 95% of scientists agree..."
They've infested the highest levels of government and our military. This boondoggle isn't going away anytime soon. All the skidmarks on that panel were using the excuse about our military being on the cutting edge of RD, so they should be on the forefront of biofuel research. What they fail to mention is the RD the military spends the most time and money on is for tech that increases combat effectiveness.
Biofuels don't fall into that category, assholes.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 28, 2012 10:56 PM (eoedh)
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We should legalise pot. If I want to get blazed and pig out on cheetos, that's between me and the cheetos.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 10:57 PM (B5+l+)
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LOL!!!
Glad your laptop is working. But I don't envy you spending time in downtown Boulder!
How are the books?
LOL!!!
Glad your laptop is working. But I don't envy you spending time in downtown Boulder!
How are the books?
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2012 10:57 PM (dZmFh)
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But they can't bloody spare one moment of silence for the Israeli athletes murdered in Munich. Jeremy Clarkson can go crash a flaming Jag into his ego.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 28, 2012 10:56 PM (ENmf2)
Jews are about as popular in England as straight teeth.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 28, 2012 10:56 PM (ENmf2)
Jews are about as popular in England as straight teeth.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 28, 2012 10:58 PM (20c9E)
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Based on that logic, any driver that qualifies for the Indy 500 should be able to do 200 mph in a school zone ...
Posted by: Astute political observer who's obviously a racist ... at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (qmMAj)
Really, how so?
Ethanol is has strong potential for abuse and is corruptive of good behavior. Shouldn't we ban it then?
Posted by: Astute political observer who's obviously a racist ... at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (qmMAj)
Really, how so?
Ethanol is has strong potential for abuse and is corruptive of good behavior. Shouldn't we ban it then?
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:58 PM (bbW7j)
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Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (imVgX)
I disagree 100% with your assumption that pot is no worse than alcohol.
Dopers are without affect, slothful, stupid and focused on one thing. Drinkers can function much better in society.
And damn it! This is a fascinating topic, and I have to go.
I'm not bailing....I'll savage you with my intellect at another time.
I disagree 100% with your assumption that pot is no worse than alcohol.
Dopers are without affect, slothful, stupid and focused on one thing. Drinkers can function much better in society.
And damn it! This is a fascinating topic, and I have to go.
I'm not bailing....I'll savage you with my intellect at another time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (nEUpB)
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@131
Why would you or anyone think that legalizing drugs would somehow mean kids would be getting anymore drugs than they already are?
If heroin is suddenly legal, people who have never had the desire aren't going to suddenly say, 'hey I've always wanted to chase me some dragon, but it was illegal, but NOWW!!! Oh boy'
It's ridiculous.
Why would you or anyone think that legalizing drugs would somehow mean kids would be getting anymore drugs than they already are?
If heroin is suddenly legal, people who have never had the desire aren't going to suddenly say, 'hey I've always wanted to chase me some dragon, but it was illegal, but NOWW!!! Oh boy'
It's ridiculous.
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (DWgdc)
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Watching men's gymnastics. Brings back horrific memories of high school gym class. To my dismay, I've always been a shitty athlete. In high school gym, you can fake just about everything with effort-- not gymnastics. You still had to jump on the idiotic pommel horse, praying you wouldn't ruin your sex life before it began by crushing your nuts on those handles... the rings were pointless if you couldn't pull yourself up... you could get up n the parallel bars, but then what?
But the worst was the rope climb. they had these ropes strung 40 feet above the gym floor. Guys would shoot up in about 10 seconds with a pencil in their mouth and sign the girder. I remember you got an A ifyou made it all the way up without feet, a B if you made it without feet, and a C - my group- if you made it half way up. thankfully, they discontinued the ropes when kids started falling 30 feet onto the wrestling mat they'd dragged under.
But the worst was the rope climb. they had these ropes strung 40 feet above the gym floor. Guys would shoot up in about 10 seconds with a pencil in their mouth and sign the girder. I remember you got an A ifyou made it all the way up without feet, a B if you made it without feet, and a C - my group- if you made it half way up. thankfully, they discontinued the ropes when kids started falling 30 feet onto the wrestling mat they'd dragged under.
Posted by: Ombudsman at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (zXLtf)
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I'm more curious about the regulation of the prescription drug market. Why, for example, should the eyedrops I take be prescription only? Is there any street value to them? No. Are they habit-forming at all? No. It seems silly to me.Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:53 PM (imVgX)The main reason is safety. There are a lot of prescription drugs that will kill you if you take the wrong one or take two of them together that you aren't supposed to.
Posted by: robtr Rum Liberation Front at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (MtwBb)
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Goodnight, all. Goddamn it.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 28, 2012 11:00 PM (tyc47)
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re: 41
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:08 PM (6o4Fb)
And all of this is driving O crazy.He doesn't want to touch Assad because Assad and O are both Shia. The insurgents are likely Sunni. O doesn't mind killing Sunni (check his record) but he can't do it in this case. Just like he won't really buck Iran either, except for with talk.
He's probably already warned Assad that he may have to throw him under the bus at some point (the point at which O starts getting damaged), but he hopes to hide while this one takes care of itself.
Unlike Gaddafi, Osama, Taliban in Pakistan, etc.
re: 41
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:08 PM (6o4Fb)
And all of this is driving O crazy.He doesn't want to touch Assad because Assad and O are both Shia. The insurgents are likely Sunni. O doesn't mind killing Sunni (check his record) but he can't do it in this case. Just like he won't really buck Iran either, except for with talk.
He's probably already warned Assad that he may have to throw him under the bus at some point (the point at which O starts getting damaged), but he hopes to hide while this one takes care of itself.
Unlike Gaddafi, Osama, Taliban in Pakistan, etc.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 28, 2012 11:00 PM (Usk3+)
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Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 10:52 PM (duVjn)
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Well, I agree with most of that, but I think it's clear that most of the people who would become zombies on drugs will do that whether we "allow" them to or not. I think it's a waste of time to spend money prosecuting the vast majority of people who won't become zombies, and instead put their feet to the fire about supporting themselves. Ending prohibition didn't cause the vast majority of the country to become drunkards, and instilling didn't stop drinkers from drinking. But, meh.
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Well, I agree with most of that, but I think it's clear that most of the people who would become zombies on drugs will do that whether we "allow" them to or not. I think it's a waste of time to spend money prosecuting the vast majority of people who won't become zombies, and instead put their feet to the fire about supporting themselves. Ending prohibition didn't cause the vast majority of the country to become drunkards, and instilling didn't stop drinkers from drinking. But, meh.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:01 PM (FIYvq)
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144 Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (imVgX)
I disagree 100% with your assumption that pot is no worse than alcohol.
Dopers are without affect, slothful, stupid and focused on one thing. Drinkers can function much better in society.
And damn it! This is a fascinating topic, and I have to go.
I'm not bailing....I'll savage you with my intellect at another time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (nEUpB)
--Sure. I am actully not passionate about the issue myself. I am far more about slashing the welfare state; if that ever gets achieved, many other social ills shrink to manageable levels.
I disagree 100% with your assumption that pot is no worse than alcohol.
Dopers are without affect, slothful, stupid and focused on one thing. Drinkers can function much better in society.
And damn it! This is a fascinating topic, and I have to go.
I'm not bailing....I'll savage you with my intellect at another time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 28, 2012 10:59 PM (nEUpB)
--Sure. I am actully not passionate about the issue myself. I am far more about slashing the welfare state; if that ever gets achieved, many other social ills shrink to manageable levels.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:02 PM (imVgX)
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You Yanks need to legalize drugs. The formula is simple: more ODs = more nurses. Everyone becomes a nurse and your unemployment problem is solved.
You Yanks need to legalize drugs. The formula is simple: more ODs = more nurses. Everyone becomes a nurse and your unemployment problem is solved.
Posted by: The Brits at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (vbh31)
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--Maybe so, but pot's no worse than alcohol in that regard (and I think there should be no age limit to booze either).
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (imVgX)
No way, with out goin into details...there is some weed out there that will fuck you up. With new technology comes better weed. And come' on you can;t have 13tr olds hanging out at bars. Some times the Libertarian zeightgeist gets a little ahead of it self.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (imVgX)
No way, with out goin into details...there is some weed out there that will fuck you up. With new technology comes better weed. And come' on you can;t have 13tr olds hanging out at bars. Some times the Libertarian zeightgeist gets a little ahead of it self.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (enQ33)
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Good Evening Moronettes and Morons
Wow, you guys are being quite serious for a Saturday night with the debate about legalizing drugs.
Wow, you guys are being quite serious for a Saturday night with the debate about legalizing drugs.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (OWjjx)
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105 If you start executing drug dealers as you catch them, you will generate a new population of smarter and more ruthless drug dealers.
Something similar to that has already happened. In the 60s and 70s much drug smuggling was done by hippies carrying bags of pot in their backpacks. They were practically never armed.
Nowadays that type of smuggler is almost certain to be caught, so it has vanished and been replaced by more creative and ruthless types.
Something similar to that has already happened. In the 60s and 70s much drug smuggling was done by hippies carrying bags of pot in their backpacks. They were practically never armed.
Nowadays that type of smuggler is almost certain to be caught, so it has vanished and been replaced by more creative and ruthless types.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:06 PM (sdi6R)
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Wow, you guys are being quite serious for a Saturday night with the debate about legalizing drugs.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (OWjjx)
True.
I'd rather talk about boobs and bacon.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (OWjjx)
True.
I'd rather talk about boobs and bacon.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:07 PM (bbW7j)
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No way, with out goin into details...there is some weed out there that will fuck you up. With new technology comes better weed. And come' on you can;t have 13tr olds hanging out at bars. Some times the Libertarian zeightgeist gets a little ahead of it self.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (enQ33)
--I should have been more specific: sales should have limits, but not consumption, kinda like sipping wine and beer in Europe.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:04 PM (enQ33)
--I should have been more specific: sales should have limits, but not consumption, kinda like sipping wine and beer in Europe.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:08 PM (imVgX)
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Aloha!
Spent the day going through boxes of "things" and throwing stuff away. I suspect both my recyclables bin and trash bin are slightly over 200 pounds at present.
Spent the day going through boxes of "things" and throwing stuff away. I suspect both my recyclables bin and trash bin are slightly over 200 pounds at present.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:08 PM (kaalw)
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True. I'd rather talk about boobs and bacon
Well, just picture Marilyn in a bacon sweater...........
Well, just picture Marilyn in a bacon sweater...........
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:08 PM (OWjjx)
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You Brits need to legalise dentistry
Posted by: Solid Copy at July 28, 2012 11:09 PM (Dll6b)
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CDR M, don;t forget to set an alarm for noon tomorrow (your time) --WUWT's announcement will give you a post with content, or at least a link.
I have lots of popcorn ready.
I have lots of popcorn ready.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:10 PM (imVgX)
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The problem with legalizing drugs is where do you stop. You can drink booze all your life and not become addicted to it. You can't do that with heroin or oxycontin or several other drugs.
Posted by: robtr Rum Liberation Front at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (MtwBb)
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Actually, you can. You either have a tendency toward addiction (which can lead you to develop addictions to pron, caffeine, gambling, damn near anything that messes with levels of dopamine) or you don't. It's not *totally* black and white; I'm not saying that if one has a genetic tendency he's screwed, and that no one without family history of addiction could ever develop one, but addiction is much, much more about the addict than the substance.
Take pain meds---lots and lots of people use pain medications, strong ones like oxy-contin, on and off for years at a time (like while going through multiple surgeries after a bad accident, or during cancer treatments) and never develop addiction problems. Even children and adolescents can do that, for the most part. On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who get one script for Lortab after getting a tooth pulled and go bonkers.
The problem with legalizing drugs is where do you stop. You can drink booze all your life and not become addicted to it. You can't do that with heroin or oxycontin or several other drugs.
Posted by: robtr Rum Liberation Front at July 28, 2012 10:55 PM (MtwBb)
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Actually, you can. You either have a tendency toward addiction (which can lead you to develop addictions to pron, caffeine, gambling, damn near anything that messes with levels of dopamine) or you don't. It's not *totally* black and white; I'm not saying that if one has a genetic tendency he's screwed, and that no one without family history of addiction could ever develop one, but addiction is much, much more about the addict than the substance.
Take pain meds---lots and lots of people use pain medications, strong ones like oxy-contin, on and off for years at a time (like while going through multiple surgeries after a bad accident, or during cancer treatments) and never develop addiction problems. Even children and adolescents can do that, for the most part. On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who get one script for Lortab after getting a tooth pulled and go bonkers.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:10 PM (FIYvq)
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http://tinyurl.com/dxu58dc
Posted by: Tami at July 28, 2012 10:48 PM (X6akg)
There's a city in Ohio called "Tiffin"?!?!!?
Posted by: Tami at July 28, 2012 10:48 PM (X6akg)
There's a city in Ohio called "Tiffin"?!?!!?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)
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No matter how you look at it drugs is a cultural problem that we as a nation don't want to address. "The War on Drugs" gives politicians the out that they did something. But why should we look to the government in the first place, they can't fix shit.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (GZitp)
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Hola long time no de-lurk....back to lurking and working.
Posted by: helofixer at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (q4Gdl)
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I would bet alot of those traffic deaths are suicide by car. You know, driving in to trees and concrete pilons. Economic downturns do that, and people think life insurance companies will pay out because it is not an obvious suicide.
Posted by: Thunderb at July 28, 2012 11:12 PM (Dnbau)
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the drinking age in Ireland is 17 -- meaning you cannot legally consume booze in public if under that age, but what you do in yer own home is yer own bidness.
the mandatory drinking age in Ireland is 25
( that's a joke, BTW )
the mandatory drinking age in Ireland is 25
( that's a joke, BTW )
Posted by: Solid Copy at July 28, 2012 11:12 PM (Dll6b)
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the mandatory drinking age in Ireland is 25( that's a joke, BTW )
Yea, cause the mandatory drining age in Ireland is 18..............
Yea, cause the mandatory drining age in Ireland is 18..............
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:13 PM (OWjjx)
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There's a city in Ohio called "Tiffin"?!?!!?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)
Well, now that I check my own link....it didn't work.
It was a google map of Ohio Amish Restaurants but for some reason when I create the tinyurl, it doesn't keep the search. It just shows a map of Ohio.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)
Well, now that I check my own link....it didn't work.
It was a google map of Ohio Amish Restaurants but for some reason when I create the tinyurl, it doesn't keep the search. It just shows a map of Ohio.
Posted by: Tami at July 28, 2012 11:14 PM (X6akg)
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CDR M, don;t forget to set an alarm for noon tomorrow (your time) --WUWT's announcement will give you a post with content, or at least a link.
I have lots of popcorn ready.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:10 PM (imVgX)
I think he reached a deal with the Sun for a three percent drop in Solar output for the next 25 years in exchange for some nude pics of Alison Brie.
I have lots of popcorn ready.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:10 PM (imVgX)
I think he reached a deal with the Sun for a three percent drop in Solar output for the next 25 years in exchange for some nude pics of Alison Brie.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:15 PM (bbW7j)
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the drinking age in Ireland is 17 -- meaning you cannot legally consume booze in public if under that age, but what you do in yer own home is yer own bidness.
--Not a bad model, for booze or for pot.
--Not a bad model, for booze or for pot.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:15 PM (imVgX)
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Really, how so?
Ethanol is has strong potential for abuse and is corruptive of good behavior. Shouldn't we ban it then?
For much the same reason robtr made in #136. Most people can drink one drink and not become alcoholics, many many people smoke up once and become crackheads.
The degree of addictive-ness between the two chemical families makes the comparison of booze and crack/meth/etc an apple to orange kind of thing.
Driving 200 mph on the Indy Speedway/driving 200 mph in a school zone: apples and oranges despite the obvious qualification of the driver to handle a car at high speed...
Ethanol is has strong potential for abuse and is corruptive of good behavior. Shouldn't we ban it then?
For much the same reason robtr made in #136. Most people can drink one drink and not become alcoholics, many many people smoke up once and become crackheads.
The degree of addictive-ness between the two chemical families makes the comparison of booze and crack/meth/etc an apple to orange kind of thing.
Driving 200 mph on the Indy Speedway/driving 200 mph in a school zone: apples and oranges despite the obvious qualification of the driver to handle a car at high speed...
Posted by: Adriane, currently sock free, but wearing pants ... at July 28, 2012 11:16 PM (qmMAj)
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Actual conversation overheard after my grandpa's funeral yestersay:
"Yeah, I'm a vegetarian. One reason? Cows are a huge producer of methane gas, which contribute to global warming. Oh, you drive a hybrid? Me too!"
"Yeah, I'm a vegetarian. One reason? Cows are a huge producer of methane gas, which contribute to global warming. Oh, you drive a hybrid? Me too!"
Posted by: Lauren at July 28, 2012 11:18 PM (wsGWu)
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The war on drugs and the war on poverty are about the same thing: money in the pockets of politicians and their friends. I don't like that.
And I wish I had a script for Valium. I like Valium.
And I wish I had a script for Valium. I like Valium.
Posted by: huerfano at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (bAGA/)
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Regarding the "pot's better than beer" argument, I think that's dumb. Pot varies so much by strain that you can't really compare it consistently. I also don't buy the baloney about all the health benefits. There are probably some benefits from eating weed baked into something healthy but smoking? You're still breathing in fire!
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (FIYvq)
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cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:08 PM (kaalw)
are we talkin' ordinary trash and recyclables or tentacle infested trash and recyclables ?
are we talkin' ordinary trash and recyclables or tentacle infested trash and recyclables ?
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (qmMAj)
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@170
I going to guess the WUWT announcement is a multi-part takedown of the hole AGW hoax. Naming the hoaxers and putting peoples reputations on the line to respond to it.
The AGW scam and it's pushers will be taken down tomorrow!
I going to guess the WUWT announcement is a multi-part takedown of the hole AGW hoax. Naming the hoaxers and putting peoples reputations on the line to respond to it.
The AGW scam and it's pushers will be taken down tomorrow!
Posted by: General Woundwort at July 28, 2012 11:20 PM (DWgdc)
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CDR M, don;t forget to set an alarm for noon tomorrow (your time)
--WUWT's announcement will give you a post with content, or at least a
link.
**
I think their only anouncment will be that Ace is back. Then they will link back to an old story about Mann and East Anglian University or the 5 miles of ice berg that just dropped into the sea...We're all gonna DIE!!!11
--WUWT's announcement will give you a post with content, or at least a
link.
**
I think their only anouncment will be that Ace is back. Then they will link back to an old story about Mann and East Anglian University or the 5 miles of ice berg that just dropped into the sea...We're all gonna DIE!!!11
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:20 PM (enQ33)
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And just remember just because something is legal doesn't mean you will be able to partake. I work in the aviation industry. At any time I can be asked to take a blood alcohol test. Alcohol consumption is legal. BUT in my industry you better adhere to the 8 hour bottle to throttle rule. Because if get asked to test and blow a positive reading I can lose my aircraft mechanics license for good. God knows I remember the days before mandatory random drug testing for mechanics. I worked with some stoners who were fantastic wrench benders, but were stoners..want to put your life in the hands of someone who just rocked the ganj?
Posted by: helofixer at July 28, 2012 11:20 PM (q4Gdl)
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150 Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:01 PM (FIYvq)
My gut feeling tells me that if something is allowed, very many people will do it, and if it is not allowed, many, maybe most, won't.
Some people will become drug zombies, no matter what. That's probably unavoidable. But minimizing this number seems like a very good idea.
There are differences between alcohol and the other drugs. One is that we are very familiar with the effects of alcohol, at least the bad effects. Alcohol, beer, wine, has been in Western Civilization for perhaps 2000 years, hard liquor maybe a few hundred. We have experience, and know what happens.
We do not have the same knowledge base for weed. Various studies say ... no effect, or causes various mental issues ... Who is correct? 10 million bad results is a lot of bad results. How do we fix these bad results?
Another is that alcohol is not as debilitating or as debilitating for as long as most other drugs.
Yeah, one can get thoroughly blottoed one evening,and the next morning go back to work with a (monster) hangover, and be reasonably competent to perform.
But weed, coke, ... how long do the effects last? How do we know that the doper is now clean, so we can trust his engineering design and calculations, or his medical/financial/legal /... opinion and work?
Essentially, the arguments For Legalization boil down to: use is going to happen anyway, ... and really, all that use does is make the user feel good.
The arguments against can be seen around town, but one has to look: in nice suburban homes (for a while) but eventally in slums, crack houses, homeless encampments, etc.
This might just be the one issue where the needs of society outweigh the needs of the individual.
My gut feeling tells me that if something is allowed, very many people will do it, and if it is not allowed, many, maybe most, won't.
Some people will become drug zombies, no matter what. That's probably unavoidable. But minimizing this number seems like a very good idea.
There are differences between alcohol and the other drugs. One is that we are very familiar with the effects of alcohol, at least the bad effects. Alcohol, beer, wine, has been in Western Civilization for perhaps 2000 years, hard liquor maybe a few hundred. We have experience, and know what happens.
We do not have the same knowledge base for weed. Various studies say ... no effect, or causes various mental issues ... Who is correct? 10 million bad results is a lot of bad results. How do we fix these bad results?
Another is that alcohol is not as debilitating or as debilitating for as long as most other drugs.
Yeah, one can get thoroughly blottoed one evening,and the next morning go back to work with a (monster) hangover, and be reasonably competent to perform.
But weed, coke, ... how long do the effects last? How do we know that the doper is now clean, so we can trust his engineering design and calculations, or his medical/financial/legal /... opinion and work?
Essentially, the arguments For Legalization boil down to: use is going to happen anyway, ... and really, all that use does is make the user feel good.
The arguments against can be seen around town, but one has to look: in nice suburban homes (for a while) but eventally in slums, crack houses, homeless encampments, etc.
This might just be the one issue where the needs of society outweigh the needs of the individual.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 11:21 PM (duVjn)
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175 Regarding the "pot's better than beer" argument, I think that's dumb. Pot varies so much by strain that you can't really compare it consistently. I also don't buy the baloney about all the health benefits. There are probably some benefits from eating weed baked into something healthy but smoking? You're still breathing in fire!
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (FIYvq)
--I never wrote any of those things. Yeah, weed varies, but there's also a difference between wine coolers and Cisco. I just think they're comparable insofar as they're not inanely addictive.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (FIYvq)
--I never wrote any of those things. Yeah, weed varies, but there's also a difference between wine coolers and Cisco. I just think they're comparable insofar as they're not inanely addictive.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:21 PM (imVgX)
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Driving 200 mph on the Indy Speedway/driving 200 mph in a school zone: apples and oranges despite the obvious qualification of the driver to handle a car at high speed...
Posted by: Adriane, currently sock free, but wearing pants ... at July 28, 2012 11:16 PM (qmMAj)
If I am free to drink I should be free to get baked and free to get high.
In no cases should I be free to endanger public safety.
Posted by: Adriane, currently sock free, but wearing pants ... at July 28, 2012 11:16 PM (qmMAj)
If I am free to drink I should be free to get baked and free to get high.
In no cases should I be free to endanger public safety.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:21 PM (bbW7j)
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The drug culture is especially destructive to the black community. It's too bad there isn't any black person in this country that has achieved any prominent leadership role to address it. You know someone like, oh I don't know, a President that would tell the black community that they are failing themselves and future generations by following a path of poor character and immorality.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 11:22 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Solid Copy at July 28, 2012 11:22 PM (Dll6b)
185
Hola long time no de-lurk....back to lurking and working.
Posted by: helofixer at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (q4Gdl)
**Carry on feaky lurker person.
Posted by: helofixer at July 28, 2012 11:11 PM (q4Gdl)
**Carry on feaky lurker person.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:23 PM (enQ33)
186
Alcohol, beer, wine, has been in Western Civilization for perhaps 2000 years, hard liquor maybe a few hundred. We have experience, and know what happens.
--Irish monks invented (discovered?) whiskey/aqua vitae in the sixth or seventh century. Not as old as beer or wine, but pretty damn old.
--Irish monks invented (discovered?) whiskey/aqua vitae in the sixth or seventh century. Not as old as beer or wine, but pretty damn old.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:24 PM (imVgX)
187
I grew up in ND. Blue laws so can't buy booze on Sundays. Drunks would come in on Sundays and buy mouth wash and vanilla extract and drink them for the alcohol content. People always find a way to get around it.
Posted by: Thunderb at July 28, 2012 11:24 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 11:24 PM (6NUPm)
189
'mandatory' apparently went over your tiny head
Nope............I was joking on your joke on the mandatory age of drinking. I have no friggin idea what the actual drinking age in Ireland is. Nor do I really give a shit. It was an attempt at humor.........h-u-m-o-r.
Nope............I was joking on your joke on the mandatory age of drinking. I have no friggin idea what the actual drinking age in Ireland is. Nor do I really give a shit. It was an attempt at humor.........h-u-m-o-r.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:25 PM (OWjjx)
190
OK too much content and I've had too much IPA. Not a complaint, CDR M, so I'll read it tomorrow. It's always good stuff.
How about Phelps getting that pyrite medal?
OK too much content and I've had too much IPA. Not a complaint, CDR M, so I'll read it tomorrow. It's always good stuff.
How about Phelps getting that pyrite medal?
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 28, 2012 11:26 PM (2d71t)
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Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:21 PM (imVgX)
Oh, no, I'm not saying you did...I just brought them up because that's usually part of the conversation about drug/pot legalization and I could see that it was being discussed in some of the comments I skimmed.
Oh, no, I'm not saying you did...I just brought them up because that's usually part of the conversation about drug/pot legalization and I could see that it was being discussed in some of the comments I skimmed.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:26 PM (FIYvq)
192
are we talkin' ordinary trash and recyclables or tentacle infested trash and recyclables ?
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (qmMAj)
Mostly dust-infested trash and recyclables. There have been a number of occasions over the years where it was "shove everything into a box and deal with it later". Evidently, I'm the "later" for 2004.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:19 PM (qmMAj)
Mostly dust-infested trash and recyclables. There have been a number of occasions over the years where it was "shove everything into a box and deal with it later". Evidently, I'm the "later" for 2004.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (kaalw)
193
3
The drug culture is especially destructive to the black community. It's
too bad there isn't any black person in this country that has achieved
any prominent leadership role to address it. You know someone like, oh I
don't know, a President that would tell the black community that they
are failing themselves and future generations by following a path of
poor character and immorality.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 11:22 PM (GZitp)
**
Whistle..Whistle..toot...Whistle...
The drug culture is especially destructive to the black community. It's
too bad there isn't any black person in this country that has achieved
any prominent leadership role to address it. You know someone like, oh I
don't know, a President that would tell the black community that they
are failing themselves and future generations by following a path of
poor character and immorality.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 28, 2012 11:22 PM (GZitp)
**
Whistle..Whistle..toot...Whistle...
Posted by: Col. West, Curtis Granderson, David Webb, Hermain Cain at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (enQ33)
194
Xanadu
Kubla Khan
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round:
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean:
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me
That with music loud and long
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
Kubla Khan
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round:
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean:
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me
That with music loud and long
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
Posted by: Sameual Taylor Coleridge, high on opium at July 28, 2012 11:28 PM (imVgX)
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:28 PM (bbW7j)
Posted by: Solid Copy at July 28, 2012 11:28 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Samuel Taylor Coleridge, high on opium at July 28, 2012 11:29 PM (imVgX)
198
Mostly dust-infested trash and recyclables. There have been a number of occasions over the years where it was "shove everything into a box and deal with it later". Evidently, I'm the "later" for 2004.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (kaalw)
--I'm about at that phase myself.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (kaalw)
--I'm about at that phase myself.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (imVgX)
199
I would bet alot of those traffic deaths are suicide by car. You know, driving in to trees and concrete pilons. Economic downturns do that, and people think life insurance companies will pay out because it is not an obvious suicide.
Posted by: Thunderb at July 28, 2012 11:12 PM (Dnbau)
Had a long time trucker tell me that small towns on Friday and Saturday nightswere dangerous because unstable people would drink and try suicide by truck by crossing the centerline making it look like an accident so the insurance would pay their family.
Posted by: Thunderb at July 28, 2012 11:12 PM (Dnbau)
Had a long time trucker tell me that small towns on Friday and Saturday nightswere dangerous because unstable people would drink and try suicide by truck by crossing the centerline making it look like an accident so the insurance would pay their family.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (Z+k/r)
200
Hey, where all the white wimmen at?
Posted by: Cicero at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (zMouK)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:31 PM (OWjjx)
202
--I'm about at that phase myself.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (imVgX)
Indeed. I have stuff in cabinets that really should go, but out of site = out of mind.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (imVgX)
Indeed. I have stuff in cabinets that really should go, but out of site = out of mind.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:31 PM (bbW7j)
203
Here, I got your Xanadu:
http://tinyurl.com/6jmux4h
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:31 PM (OWjjx)
I saw that coming a league away!
Here, I got your Xanadu:
http://tinyurl.com/6jmux4h
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 28, 2012 11:31 PM (OWjjx)
I saw that coming a league away!
Posted by: Samuel Taylor Coleridge at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (imVgX)
204
186 Alcohol, beer, wine, has been in Western Civilization for perhaps 2000 years, hard liquor maybe a few hundred.
Beer goes a long way further back than that, probably as far back as the Neolithic. Some people believe that agriculture was first developed to produce enough grain for brewing beer rather than as a source of food. Many primitive cultures had some sort of fermented beverage.
It may not have only been about getting high, though. Beer is mostly water, and the process of making beer made water safe to drink. Drink plain water from a natural source and there's no telling what kind of disease or parasite you could get.
Beer goes a long way further back than that, probably as far back as the Neolithic. Some people believe that agriculture was first developed to produce enough grain for brewing beer rather than as a source of food. Many primitive cultures had some sort of fermented beverage.
It may not have only been about getting high, though. Beer is mostly water, and the process of making beer made water safe to drink. Drink plain water from a natural source and there's no telling what kind of disease or parasite you could get.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: The Commentor Who Calls Everyone and Everything a RINO at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (OWjjx)
206
Yeah, competitive gymnastics will max you out. Our schools didn't have a program so my parents put me in a private gym. It always pissed me off when guys in football and lacrosse used to talk shit about gymnastics being soft or faggy. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Yeah, competitive gymnastics will max you out. Our schools didn't have a program so my parents put me in a private gym. It always pissed me off when guys in football and lacrosse used to talk shit about gymnastics being soft or faggy. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Posted by: Dorian Taupe at July 28, 2012 11:33 PM (IfM3l)
207
I'm enjoying catching up on the Radio Derb podcasts of the summer.
Derb leads a charmed life, getting sacked for racially blunt comments only to be exiled to a lovely Greek island for the summer.
Derb leads a charmed life, getting sacked for racially blunt comments only to be exiled to a lovely Greek island for the summer.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:33 PM (imVgX)
208
Anyone else here watch Falling Skies?
It's still not very good, but it is watchable.
Besides, there ain't any good scifi anywhere these days.
It's still not very good, but it is watchable.
Besides, there ain't any good scifi anywhere these days.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (bbW7j)
209
I'm sooo fuckin bummed...my sound card just took a crap....no Cultch, Mastodon or Bee Gee's....1st world problems!!11 Argh!!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (enQ33)
210
Whistle..Whistle..toot...Whistle...
Posted by: Col. West, Curtis Granderson, David Webb, Hermain Cain at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (enQ33)
------------------------------------------------
What am I, chopped Jell-O?
Posted by: Col. West, Curtis Granderson, David Webb, Hermain Cain at July 28, 2012 11:27 PM (enQ33)
------------------------------------------------
What am I, chopped Jell-O?
Posted by: Bill Cosby at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (FIYvq)
211
Bleg from an old school 'ron:
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
Posted by: kinlaw at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (qpkRP)
212
--I'm about at that phase myself.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (imVgX)
...or the stuff that cost a bundle, broke, but you understand exactly how to fix it.....you just need to get set up, break out the soldering iron, get a new battery-carrier from Radio Shack.....
Holy crud, you can buy a new one for $6?!?!??
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (imVgX)
...or the stuff that cost a bundle, broke, but you understand exactly how to fix it.....you just need to get set up, break out the soldering iron, get a new battery-carrier from Radio Shack.....
Holy crud, you can buy a new one for $6?!?!??
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (kaalw)
213
Moki: "House of War" by my ....good friend David Ross is on Amazon now. Actually it was there all month but I had some fixes to make to it before I really started flogging it here.
It's about Mecca, the Qur'an, and the propaganda of the Second Civil War, 675 to 695 AD. More interesting than the first shia / sunni fight IMO. Total chaos, in Iraq especially
So how are you?
It's about Mecca, the Qur'an, and the propaganda of the Second Civil War, 675 to 695 AD. More interesting than the first shia / sunni fight IMO. Total chaos, in Iraq especially
So how are you?
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 28, 2012 11:35 PM (6NUPm)
214
53 49 I bet the Kennedy's were as good in bed as they are at driving and flying planes.
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:14 PM (6o4Fb)
Angie Dickinson
Quote on JFK's Skill In The Sack:
"Best 20 Seconds of my Life"
NSFW Howie Carr link: http://fatboy.cc/Kennedygirls%20R%20Rated.htm
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2012 10:14 PM (6o4Fb)
Angie Dickinson
Quote on JFK's Skill In The Sack:
"Best 20 Seconds of my Life"
NSFW Howie Carr link: http://fatboy.cc/Kennedygirls%20R%20Rated.htm
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 28, 2012 11:35 PM (OIuTH)
215
204 Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (sdi6R)
Beer goes a long way further back than that, probably as far back as the Neolithic.
True, of course. But written records are the point ... men writing about the effects of alcohol on people and society at large.
Beer goes a long way further back than that, probably as far back as the Neolithic.
True, of course. But written records are the point ... men writing about the effects of alcohol on people and society at large.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 28, 2012 11:35 PM (duVjn)
216
Beer goes a long way further back than that, probably as far back as the Neolithic. Some people believe that agriculture was first developed to produce enough grain for brewing beer rather than as a source of food. Many primitive cultures had some sort of fermented beverage.
It may not have only been about getting high, though. Beer is mostly water, and the process of making beer made water safe to drink. Drink plain water from a natural source and there's no telling what kind of disease or parasite you could get.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (sdi6R)
--Sounds like I'm not the only one who's enjoyed Gus, Germs, and Steel and How Beer Saved Civilization.
It may not have only been about getting high, though. Beer is mostly water, and the process of making beer made water safe to drink. Drink plain water from a natural source and there's no telling what kind of disease or parasite you could get.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:32 PM (sdi6R)
--Sounds like I'm not the only one who's enjoyed Gus, Germs, and Steel and How Beer Saved Civilization.
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:36 PM (imVgX)
217
Anyone else here watch Falling Skies?
I do. You're right--it's only OK but I never miss it. I like the concept and I like Will Patton. And Moon Bloodgood is a hott-ay.
Anyone else here watch Falling Skies?
I do. You're right--it's only OK but I never miss it. I like the concept and I like Will Patton. And Moon Bloodgood is a hott-ay.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (2d71t)
218
...or the stuff that cost a bundle, broke, but you understand exactly how to fix it.....you just need to get set up, break out the soldering iron, get a new battery-carrier from Radio Shack.....
Holy crud, you can buy a new one for $6?!?!??
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (kaalw)
--*Lots* of those lying around, including two busted DVD players (how has the one in my laptop so outlasted the external ones?).
Holy crud, you can buy a new one for $6?!?!??
Posted by: cthulhu at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (kaalw)
--*Lots* of those lying around, including two busted DVD players (how has the one in my laptop so outlasted the external ones?).
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (imVgX)
219
Since this is open, I suppose I can talk about this.
My 18 year old son recently moved to Alberta, Canada. It seems that there is a professor at the University of Lethbridge who is the head of "Occupy Lethbridge" and he's got a little cadre of brainwashed prog students that he does a radio show with once a week. I'm not sure how my son met him, but my son has now been tapped to provide the opposing viewpoint on their Marxist broadcasts. Son said "professor was amazed to find someone who could intelligently defend conservative principles"* That's charmingly condescending, of course, but while I'm proud as hell of my kid, I'm also a little nervous. I'll bet the parents of big league pitchers feel something like that the first game their little boy throws in the show. In this case, I just hope it's all on the up and up. Progs are pitifully easy to out-debate using logic and facts, but they're also past masters at dirty tricks. I hope number one son doesn't get blindsided by something underhanded.
* Personally, I'm still waiting to find a liberal of any age who can
coherently explain (much less intelligently defend) whatever passes for
principles on the left.
My 18 year old son recently moved to Alberta, Canada. It seems that there is a professor at the University of Lethbridge who is the head of "Occupy Lethbridge" and he's got a little cadre of brainwashed prog students that he does a radio show with once a week. I'm not sure how my son met him, but my son has now been tapped to provide the opposing viewpoint on their Marxist broadcasts. Son said "professor was amazed to find someone who could intelligently defend conservative principles"* That's charmingly condescending, of course, but while I'm proud as hell of my kid, I'm also a little nervous. I'll bet the parents of big league pitchers feel something like that the first game their little boy throws in the show. In this case, I just hope it's all on the up and up. Progs are pitifully easy to out-debate using logic and facts, but they're also past masters at dirty tricks. I hope number one son doesn't get blindsided by something underhanded.
* Personally, I'm still waiting to find a liberal of any age who can
coherently explain (much less intelligently defend) whatever passes for
principles on the left.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (niboB)
220
200 Hey, where all the white wimmen at? Posted by: Cicero at July 28, 2012 11:30 PM (zMouK)
At the club. Why aren't you?
At the club. Why aren't you?
Posted by: kancho assassin at July 28, 2012 11:39 PM (xXhWA)
221
What am I, chopped Jell-O?
Posted by: Bill Cosby at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (FIYvq)
*Meh...you've been known to be a sanctimonious prick, bugger off Fat Albert!
Posted by: Bill Cosby at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (FIYvq)
*Meh...you've been known to be a sanctimonious prick, bugger off Fat Albert!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:39 PM (enQ33)
222
Regarding the Amish, I have theological differences with them but the urge to say "the hell with this" and withdraw from this foul, dying culture is strong in me. I understand them, and why they did it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 28, 2012 11:40 PM (r4wIV)
223
Re-post:
Bleg from an old school 'ron:
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
sorry for the repeat but I'd like to d'load something tonight
Re-post:
Bleg from an old school 'ron:
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
sorry for the repeat but I'd like to d'load something tonight
Posted by: kinlaw at July 28, 2012 11:40 PM (qpkRP)
224
#183 "
The drug culture is especially destructive to the black community. It's
too bad there isn't any black person in this country that has achieved
any prominent leadership role to address it. You know someone like, oh I
don't know, a President that would tell the black community that they
are failing themselves and future generations by following a path of
poor character and immorality."
Obama was a pot head and coke fiend.
Urban blacks are content to ignore any sense individual responsibility by pawning it off on 'community' when it comes to drug use, welfare dependency, and gang violence. It's always easier to shift blame and make everyone responsible such that no one is responsible. The same people complaining about the incarceration rates of people 'in their community' fail to cogitate that those incarcerated are/were responsible for the crime, violence, murder, and drugs in the community. It doesn't help that the media (all the "it takes a village" bullshit, fuck no it takes PARENTS damnit to raise a child), and crooked politicians allow this blame game farce to continue, let alone heavily subsidize it with transfer payments.
The drug culture is especially destructive to the black community. It's
too bad there isn't any black person in this country that has achieved
any prominent leadership role to address it. You know someone like, oh I
don't know, a President that would tell the black community that they
are failing themselves and future generations by following a path of
poor character and immorality."
Obama was a pot head and coke fiend.
Urban blacks are content to ignore any sense individual responsibility by pawning it off on 'community' when it comes to drug use, welfare dependency, and gang violence. It's always easier to shift blame and make everyone responsible such that no one is responsible. The same people complaining about the incarceration rates of people 'in their community' fail to cogitate that those incarcerated are/were responsible for the crime, violence, murder, and drugs in the community. It doesn't help that the media (all the "it takes a village" bullshit, fuck no it takes PARENTS damnit to raise a child), and crooked politicians allow this blame game farce to continue, let alone heavily subsidize it with transfer payments.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 11:40 PM (KCvsd)
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Posted by: Weirddave at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (niboB)
--Great story! I have never been to Lethbridge, but the B-School there sponsored a conference in Banff I co-presented at in '06 (yeah, a tough job but someone's gotta do it).
--Great story! I have never been to Lethbridge, but the B-School there sponsored a conference in Banff I co-presented at in '06 (yeah, a tough job but someone's gotta do it).
Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (imVgX)
226
If I am free to drink I should be free to get baked and free to get high.
So roll yourself in brown sugar, stick an apple in your mouth, and jump into the oven.
I've always wanted to have a friend for dinner ...
[rimshot]
Within your reply, you have made my point: I can be free to drink and I can drink without drinking to the point of intoxication. The potency of drugs makes it very difficult to indulge without getting to the point of Stupefaction almost immediately ... at which point you are a public danger, whether you set out to be or no.
There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
So roll yourself in brown sugar, stick an apple in your mouth, and jump into the oven.
I've always wanted to have a friend for dinner ...
[rimshot]
Within your reply, you have made my point: I can be free to drink and I can drink without drinking to the point of intoxication. The potency of drugs makes it very difficult to indulge without getting to the point of Stupefaction almost immediately ... at which point you are a public danger, whether you set out to be or no.
There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (qmMAj)
227
"Obama was a pot head and coke fiend."
Born to a single mom, no less. He's an all too typical statistic for blacks in America. There's good reason Africans have a poor opinion of American blacks.
Born to a single mom, no less. He's an all too typical statistic for blacks in America. There's good reason Africans have a poor opinion of American blacks.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 28, 2012 11:42 PM (r4wIV)
228
It doesn't help that the media (all the "it takes a village" bullshit, fuck no it takes PARENTS damnit to raise a child), and crooked politicians allow this blame game farce to continue, let alone heavily subsidize it with transfer payments.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 11:40 PM (KCvsd)
--Being a new dad, I have no damn idea why anyone would try to do it solo. Rasing even one child is clearly meant to be a two-man job (in the classical grammatical sense of that phrase, of course )
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 11:40 PM (KCvsd)
--Being a new dad, I have no damn idea why anyone would try to do it solo. Rasing even one child is clearly meant to be a two-man job (in the classical grammatical sense of that phrase, of course
)Posted by: logprof at July 28, 2012 11:43 PM (imVgX)
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I hope number one son doesn't get blindsided by something underhanded.
Good for him. I have a problem with debate, I feel that if you don't see it our way I don't get why? So I'm content to just call you a supid libtard.
I hope number one son doesn't get blindsided by something underhanded.
Good for him. I have a problem with debate, I feel that if you don't see it our way I don't get why? So I'm content to just call you a supid libtard.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 28, 2012 11:44 PM (2d71t)
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"Anyone else here watch Falling Skies?"
The second season's weak premiere killed my lingering hope that they would make some needed changes over the break.
The second season's weak premiere killed my lingering hope that they would make some needed changes over the break.
Posted by: derit at July 28, 2012 11:45 PM (ruiF1)
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--Sounds like I'm not the only one who's enjoyed Gus, Germs, and Steel and How Beer Saved Civilization.
I haven't read either of those books, but thanks for the recommendation!
I'm thinking that beer actually caused civilization.
--Sounds like I'm not the only one who's enjoyed Gus, Germs, and Steel and How Beer Saved Civilization.
I haven't read either of those books, but thanks for the recommendation!
I'm thinking that beer actually caused civilization.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: helofixer at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (q4Gdl)
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#227, it is so bad that African immigrants often send their children to private school or back to their home countries rather than allow them to be contaminated by public school. The whole "you're owed and disadvantaged" thing pounded into their heads in public school is incredibly damaging to blacks and does more to foster racism and inequality than anything these days.
The way in which society attacks successful blacks, at least the ones that don't follow the entertaining/sports/or 'community' service stereotypes, whom speak out against the status quo, see Bill Cosby, is sickening.
The way in which society attacks successful blacks, at least the ones that don't follow the entertaining/sports/or 'community' service stereotypes, whom speak out against the status quo, see Bill Cosby, is sickening.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 11:47 PM (KCvsd)
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Roses are red,
The forcibly awoken, quite surly.
Good night, morons and -ettes,
Even though, it's very early ...
The forcibly awoken, quite surly.
Good night, morons and -ettes,
Even though, it's very early ...
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:47 PM (qmMAj)
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Legalizing drugs, any drug, may not necessarily reduce the illegal drug trade.
There is already too much money and a network involved in it. But may if the IRS is involved, that will fix it.
There is already too much money and a network involved in it. But may if the IRS is involved, that will fix it.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 28, 2012 11:48 PM (sJTmU)
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I've been around some serious shit in my life. I've seen first hand what drugs can do to people. It is a fight that is worth battling.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 28, 2012 11:48 PM (enQ33)
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Swimmer girls = no rax
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 28, 2012 11:48 PM (2d71t)
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My gut feeling tells me that if something is allowed, very many people will do it, and if it is not allowed, many, maybe most, won't.
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Well, I can see why it's a gut feeling, but it's been proven time and time again that it's simply not true. Lots of gut feelings are wrong. Most people in Nevada never patronize or become prostitutes. Most people don't smoke cigarettes anymore (and, yeah, the restrictions on that are kind of onerous but it is still technically legal). Most people don't take out-and-out welfare. And the number of people who do the allowed things to excess, or otherwise inappropriately are even smaller.
Now, when something is easy and seems consequence-free, people do more of that. People pirate music more, people have more sex now that birth control/condoms are cheap and available to lessen the risks and societal norms have loosened regarding sex, people watch more porn now that it's on the internet instead of in skeezy theaters (Fred Willard notwithstanding). But there are still plenty of well-known consequences to using drugs, and especially to using them to excess---your teeth fall out, your skin gets destroyed, you end up on A&E's Intervention show (or worse, Dr. Phil) and generally become a trainwreck that nobody wants to be around. You lose educational and professional opportunities. Pretty much the same consequences that keep a lot of people from drinking at all and most people from drinking to excess.
Now, about how we know more about alcohol than about other drugs----eh, we actually know quite a bit about other drugs; doctors have been studying these substances for years. It's true that the newer the drug, the less we know...but if they were legal, we'd probably find the drugs sooner and people would be more forthcoming about the safety---a guy who comes up with and patents a substance on the up-and-up kind of has a vested interest in seeing his clientele live to buy another hit.
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Well, I can see why it's a gut feeling, but it's been proven time and time again that it's simply not true. Lots of gut feelings are wrong. Most people in Nevada never patronize or become prostitutes. Most people don't smoke cigarettes anymore (and, yeah, the restrictions on that are kind of onerous but it is still technically legal). Most people don't take out-and-out welfare. And the number of people who do the allowed things to excess, or otherwise inappropriately are even smaller.
Now, when something is easy and seems consequence-free, people do more of that. People pirate music more, people have more sex now that birth control/condoms are cheap and available to lessen the risks and societal norms have loosened regarding sex, people watch more porn now that it's on the internet instead of in skeezy theaters (Fred Willard notwithstanding). But there are still plenty of well-known consequences to using drugs, and especially to using them to excess---your teeth fall out, your skin gets destroyed, you end up on A&E's Intervention show (or worse, Dr. Phil) and generally become a trainwreck that nobody wants to be around. You lose educational and professional opportunities. Pretty much the same consequences that keep a lot of people from drinking at all and most people from drinking to excess.
Now, about how we know more about alcohol than about other drugs----eh, we actually know quite a bit about other drugs; doctors have been studying these substances for years. It's true that the newer the drug, the less we know...but if they were legal, we'd probably find the drugs sooner and people would be more forthcoming about the safety---a guy who comes up with and patents a substance on the up-and-up kind of has a vested interest in seeing his clientele live to buy another hit.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 28, 2012 11:48 PM (FIYvq)
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"beer actually caused civilization"
Stable agriculture, common language, animal husbandry, and potable liquid (beer) are critical for civilization. Food, water, and communication are the essentials for survival. The rest arises from those very basic things.
Stable agriculture, common language, animal husbandry, and potable liquid (beer) are critical for civilization. Food, water, and communication are the essentials for survival. The rest arises from those very basic things.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at July 28, 2012 11:49 PM (KCvsd)
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There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (qmMAj)
As it it should be. If I stay home and get drunk those traffic stops are irrelevant.
As for potency, that works both ways. If a drug is potent enough I won't have a chance to make it to my car.
If you are arguing that some drugs are so dangerous that they must be banned, I'd say that may be true of many things.
I prefer to err on the side of freedom and free markets to minimize our problems.
There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (qmMAj)
As it it should be. If I stay home and get drunk those traffic stops are irrelevant.
As for potency, that works both ways. If a drug is potent enough I won't have a chance to make it to my car.
If you are arguing that some drugs are so dangerous that they must be banned, I'd say that may be true of many things.
I prefer to err on the side of freedom and free markets to minimize our problems.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:50 PM (bbW7j)
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I might be addicted to Chic-Fil-A.
Posted by: Scobface at July 28, 2012 11:50 PM (IoNBC)
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18 How come they didn't show Mary Poppins euthanizing old people during the Olympic opening ceremonies last night?
Posted by: Kensington at July 28, 2012 09:59 PM (uaEZS)
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I kinda thought it was ironically implied.
Posted by: Kensington at July 28, 2012 09:59 PM (uaEZS)
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I kinda thought it was ironically implied.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at July 28, 2012 11:50 PM (0+l/f)
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The second season's weak premiere killed my lingering hope that they would make some needed changes over the break.
Posted by: derit at July 28, 2012 11:45 PM (ruiF1)
I get that, but it has slowly improved over the recent episodes. Of course, I am able to zip through the sappy parts and there are no commercials.
That helps a lot.
Posted by: derit at July 28, 2012 11:45 PM (ruiF1)
I get that, but it has slowly improved over the recent episodes. Of course, I am able to zip through the sappy parts and there are no commercials.
That helps a lot.
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 11:52 PM (bbW7j)
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I used "free iso burner" to get my Linux onto dvd for the laptop.
Posted by: boulder green fairy hunter at July 28, 2012 11:52 PM (6NUPm)
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If ye wishes to start a Moron Amish Community, ye will cease showing red sweaters like that.
Now, I must go work my wood.
Now, I must go work my wood.
Posted by: Yoder of SMOD at July 28, 2012 11:54 PM (0+l/f)
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Pot varies so much by strain that you can't really compare it consistently.
whereas all beer is the same?
Not.
whereas all beer is the same?
Not.
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 28, 2012 11:55 PM (JMmQ9)
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Evening Friends. Just finished up my Gaming post. Holy wall of text for you tomorrow :p
Posted by: Zakn at July 28, 2012 11:55 PM (zyaZ1)
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Posted by: Weirddave at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (niboB)
The fundamental divide is Statism. Libs go on-and-on about all sorts of things -- health care, education, unicorns, lollipops -- and claim that an ever-more-powerful state could grant these to a cheering populace. When conservatives point out that the state cannot grant what it doesn't compel from someone else, they get "oh, conservatives are anti-lollipop!"
It's not that conservatives don't want nice things, or want people to suffer -- it's that the left's mechanisms for getting those things always cause more problems than they solve. It's why "start from zero" is such a common revolutionary slogan -- if you start with the last time it was tried, you'd realize it was futile.
The fundamental divide is Statism. Libs go on-and-on about all sorts of things -- health care, education, unicorns, lollipops -- and claim that an ever-more-powerful state could grant these to a cheering populace. When conservatives point out that the state cannot grant what it doesn't compel from someone else, they get "oh, conservatives are anti-lollipop!"
It's not that conservatives don't want nice things, or want people to suffer -- it's that the left's mechanisms for getting those things always cause more problems than they solve. It's why "start from zero" is such a common revolutionary slogan -- if you start with the last time it was tried, you'd realize it was futile.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 12:00 AM (kaalw)
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There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (qmMAj)
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Which has less the zero to do with public safety and EVERYTHING to do with revenue generation and lawyer fees.
...and politicians (lawyers) running around thumping their bird-sized chests at FascistMADD meetings.
There is a War on Alcohol to the point of Intoxication with roadblocks set up every 4th of July and Labor Day Weekend.
Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at July 28, 2012 11:41 PM (qmMAj)
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Which has less the zero to do with public safety and EVERYTHING to do with revenue generation and lawyer fees.
...and politicians (lawyers) running around thumping their bird-sized chests at FascistMADD meetings.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at July 29, 2012 12:01 AM (0+l/f)
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Obama hires Spanier? http://preview.tinyurl.com/dxpjj5x
Posted by: nickless at July 29, 2012 12:02 AM (MMC8r)
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Raising even one child is clearly meant to be a two-man job (in the classical grammatical sense of that phrase, of course).
After what my wife and I have been going through just raising two Malamute pups this year, I can well imagine that it's at least twice as hard to raise human pups during the same period. I mean, you can't just put babies outside when they need to go.
After what my wife and I have been going through just raising two Malamute pups this year, I can well imagine that it's at least twice as hard to raise human pups during the same period. I mean, you can't just put babies outside when they need to go.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at July 29, 2012 12:04 AM (IlZPo)
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As far as the drug thing goes:
Would people inject heroin if they were able to smoke opium? Would they smoke crack if they were free to chew coca leaves? Would they buy "bath salts" (whatever the fuck that is) if they could grow pot in their back yards?
Many of the newfangled "designer drugs" are developed simply to get around existing drug laws.
Then there are the no-knock raids that basically started to keep druggies from flushing their stash when the police came to their door. Now every local police force in the country has more firepower than a frickin' Third World army.
The drug war proves that there isn't any problem that can't be made worse when the government gets involved.
Would people inject heroin if they were able to smoke opium? Would they smoke crack if they were free to chew coca leaves? Would they buy "bath salts" (whatever the fuck that is) if they could grow pot in their back yards?
Many of the newfangled "designer drugs" are developed simply to get around existing drug laws.
Then there are the no-knock raids that basically started to keep druggies from flushing their stash when the police came to their door. Now every local police force in the country has more firepower than a frickin' Third World army.
The drug war proves that there isn't any problem that can't be made worse when the government gets involved.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 12:04 AM (sdi6R)
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Would people inject heroin if they were able to smoke opium? Would they smoke crack if they were free to chew coca leaves? Would they buy "bath salts" (whatever the fuck that is) if they could grow pot in their back yards?
Yes they would.
Yes they would.
Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 12:06 AM (GULKT)
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When conservatives point out that the state cannot grant what it doesn't compel from someone else, they get "oh, conservatives are anti-lollipop!"
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Hey, that compelling part is a blast, babe!
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Hey, that compelling part is a blast, babe!
Posted by: Smokin' Joe Stalin at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (0+l/f)
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Posted by: Weirddave at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (niboB)
The
fundamental divide is Statism. Libs go on-and-on about all sorts of
things -- health care, education, unicorns, lollipops -- and claim that
an ever-more-powerful state could grant these to a cheering populace.
When conservatives point out that the state cannot grant what it doesn't
compel from someone else, they get "oh, conservatives are
anti-lollipop!"
It's not that conservatives don't want
nice things, or want people to suffer -- it's that the left's mechanisms
for getting those things always cause more problems than they solve.
It's why "start from zero" is such a common revolutionary slogan -- if
you start with the last time it was tried, you'd realize it was futile.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 12:00 AM (kaalw)
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shorter summary -- slavery. Popular among mortals for thousands of years.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 28, 2012 11:38 PM (niboB)
The
fundamental divide is Statism. Libs go on-and-on about all sorts of
things -- health care, education, unicorns, lollipops -- and claim that
an ever-more-powerful state could grant these to a cheering populace.
When conservatives point out that the state cannot grant what it doesn't
compel from someone else, they get "oh, conservatives are
anti-lollipop!"
It's not that conservatives don't want
nice things, or want people to suffer -- it's that the left's mechanisms
for getting those things always cause more problems than they solve.
It's why "start from zero" is such a common revolutionary slogan -- if
you start with the last time it was tried, you'd realize it was futile.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 12:00 AM (kaalw)
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shorter summary -- slavery. Popular among mortals for thousands of years.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (ufJKx)
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What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips? TSA driving people toward a more dangerous means of transportation...
Posted by: Daniel at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (OcCYZ)
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On a bus with our Order of the arrow Lodge heading up to Moo U for this week's National Order of the Arrow Conference (NOAC). And to see my brother, who had open heart surgery on Friday to replace his defective aortic valve.
As I will likely not be on line to see it in real time tomorrow, I'm going to predict that the WUWT mega release will be the decrypted version of the encrypted file(s) included in last year's batch. And Michael Mann, Climate Pedo, will receive his just desserts.
As I will likely not be on line to see it in real time tomorrow, I'm going to predict that the WUWT mega release will be the decrypted version of the encrypted file(s) included in last year's batch. And Michael Mann, Climate Pedo, will receive his just desserts.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (Hw3Gh)
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM (2d71t)
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I'm watching Season 7 of 24. Is it worth the time? Seems to be a bit slow plus it has the GaBufalo.
I'm watching Season 7 of 24. Is it worth the time? Seems to be a bit slow plus it has the GaBufalo.
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM (Qev5V)
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--Sounds like I'm not the only one who's enjoyed Gus, Germs, and Steel and How Beer Saved Civilization.
I haven't read either of those books, but thanks for the recommendation!
I'm thinking that beer actually caused civilization.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (sdi6R)
--A good starting point is to watch the GG&S mini-series (it's on Netflix; I saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago). The book has a lot more that the show lacked. I'll probably stop there as far as Jared Diamond is concerned; I heard Collapse is riddled with errors (and is just historically not so where Easter Island is concerned).
I haven't read either of those books, but thanks for the recommendation!
I'm thinking that beer actually caused civilization.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (sdi6R)
--A good starting point is to watch the GG&S mini-series (it's on Netflix; I saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago). The book has a lot more that the show lacked. I'll probably stop there as far as Jared Diamond is concerned; I heard Collapse is riddled with errors (and is just historically not so where Easter Island is concerned).
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:12 AM (imVgX)
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Bleg from an old school 'ron:
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
Posted by: kinlaw at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (qpkRP)
Kinlaw, I've had GREAT luck with ImgBurn
Bleg from an old school 'ron:
Any of of the 'rons or 'ettes know of a good free cd burning software?
TIA
Posted by: kinlaw at July 28, 2012 11:34 PM (qpkRP)
Kinlaw, I've had GREAT luck with ImgBurn
Posted by: Steck at July 29, 2012 12:15 AM (RL7U1)
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258 What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips? TSA driving people toward a more dangerous means of transportation...
Posted by: Daniel at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (OcCYZ)
--Very valid. Two of my profs from Maryland have testified many times in Congress about the increased fatalities from more driving when regulations make flying more expensive (the focus is on price, which is more quantifiable than inconvenience/time lost in screening), such as when zealots want even the tiniest babies to be forced to fly in a separately purchased seat.
Posted by: Daniel at July 29, 2012 12:07 AM (OcCYZ)
--Very valid. Two of my profs from Maryland have testified many times in Congress about the increased fatalities from more driving when regulations make flying more expensive (the focus is on price, which is more quantifiable than inconvenience/time lost in screening), such as when zealots want even the tiniest babies to be forced to fly in a separately purchased seat.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:18 AM (imVgX)
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I just finished watching Die Hard with a Vengence. It won't be a Die Hard movie without his quips and making light of it all. I mean, come on, that's what made the originals so good. Well the 1st and the 3rd. No idea what they were thinking with the second one.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:19 AM (RZ8pf)
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I'm thinking that beer actually caused civilization.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (sdi6R)
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Shyeah it did.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2012 11:46 PM (sdi6R)
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Shyeah it did.
Posted by: From the Land of Sky Blue Water at July 29, 2012 12:22 AM (0+l/f)
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Watching "Valkyrie" now, Cruise isn't bad so far.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:22 AM (2d71t)
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I'm watching Season 7 of 24. Is it worth the time? Seems to be a bit slow plus it has the GaBufalo.
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM (Qev5V)
--Have you watched all the others? It's close to the worst. The Redemption movie was better if you ask me.
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM (Qev5V)
--Have you watched all the others? It's close to the worst. The Redemption movie was better if you ask me.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:23 AM (imVgX)
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Had a painful tooth cleaning today.
I was amused though that any time I flinched the nurse got concerned.
No pain no gain...right? Seriously, who gets a cleaning that doesn't hurt?
I was amused though that any time I flinched the nurse got concerned.
No pain no gain...right? Seriously, who gets a cleaning that doesn't hurt?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:23 AM (AUeaU)
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Ok...so, if you're like me, and you live in the U.S. you have probably heard about Jasmine Breinburg...she was a very cute, and vivacious singer/dancer that wowed billions.....according to the news. So go ahead and check youtube...make sure to use quotes....
Are you back? How many hits did you get when you searched her name? One? And it wasn't even a clip of her routine, right?
Once again...NBC...you can suck my sweaty balls. I'm not watching your shit, and I'm not going to. Youtube....you disappoint me, and what little flecks of spittle NBC leaves on my balls, you're welcome to suck off.
Are you back? How many hits did you get when you searched her name? One? And it wasn't even a clip of her routine, right?
Once again...NBC...you can suck my sweaty balls. I'm not watching your shit, and I'm not going to. Youtube....you disappoint me, and what little flecks of spittle NBC leaves on my balls, you're welcome to suck off.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 29, 2012 12:25 AM (L7hol)
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No idea what they were thinking with the second one.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:19 AM (RZ8pf)
I think they were thinking even if this one is stupid it will still make money.
And they were right.
BTW, long time no see. Hope all is well.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:19 AM (RZ8pf)
I think they were thinking even if this one is stupid it will still make money.
And they were right.
BTW, long time no see. Hope all is well.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 12:25 AM (bbW7j)
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:26 AM (2d71t)
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Watching "Valkyrie" now, Cruise isn't bad so far.
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A good movie. And it would have been a great one if it wasn't for Tom Cruise starring, though he really tried I think.
Imagine, for example, Jim Caviezel in the role - I think you'd get a much deeper portrayal of Stuaffenberg's character - and the guy even has some resemblance.
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A good movie. And it would have been a great one if it wasn't for Tom Cruise starring, though he really tried I think.
Imagine, for example, Jim Caviezel in the role - I think you'd get a much deeper portrayal of Stuaffenberg's character - and the guy even has some resemblance.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:26 AM (AUeaU)
Posted by: DaveA at July 29, 2012 12:26 AM (DVJEd)
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Ok...so, if you're like me, and you live in the U.S. you have probably heard about Jasmine Breinburg.
--Nope.
--Nope.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:26 AM (imVgX)
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your dentist works Saturdays?
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Yep. I'll go in for some fillings a couple Saturdays from now too.
When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
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Yep. I'll go in for some fillings a couple Saturdays from now too.
When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:27 AM (AUeaU)
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What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips?
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (AUeaU)
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Would people inject heroin if they were able to smoke opium? Would
they smoke crack if they were free to chew coca leaves? Would they buy
"bath salts" (whatever the fuck that is) if they could grow pot in their
back yards?
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Eh..?? Yes. Question is would you like your daughter whithin 10 ft. of these people? (don't preach, I've lived the life)
they smoke crack if they were free to chew coca leaves? Would they buy
"bath salts" (whatever the fuck that is) if they could grow pot in their
back yards?
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Eh..?? Yes. Question is would you like your daughter whithin 10 ft. of these people? (don't preach, I've lived the life)
Posted by: dananjcon at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (enQ33)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (L7hol)
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When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:27 AM (AUeaU)
Painlessly or the natural way?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:27 AM (AUeaU)
Painlessly or the natural way?
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (bbW7j)
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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition
of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there,
now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently
despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all
right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from
creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the
people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as “bad luck.”
Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition
of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there,
now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently
despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all
right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from
creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the
people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as “bad luck.”
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at July 29, 2012 12:30 AM (AUeaU)
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>>>--Have you watched all the others? It's close to the worst. The Redemption movie was better if you ask me.
Yeah, thanks. I lost interest towards the end of the 6th episode.
Is Season 8 any better?
Yeah, thanks. I lost interest towards the end of the 6th episode.
Is Season 8 any better?
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:30 AM (Qev5V)
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Well, get ready for another bailout for Obama UAW Motors, since they won't actually repossess the junk heaps;
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/147508/
GM Financial auto loans to customers with FICO scores below 660 rose from 87% of total loans in Q4 2010 to 93% in Q1 2012. The worse the FICO score, the bigger the increase. From Q4 2010 to Q1 2012, GM Financial loans to customers with the worst FICO scores — below 540 — shot up 79% to more than $2.3 billion. The second worst category, 540-599, rose 28% from about $3.4 billion to $4.3 billion.”
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/147508/
GM Financial auto loans to customers with FICO scores below 660 rose from 87% of total loans in Q4 2010 to 93% in Q1 2012. The worse the FICO score, the bigger the increase. From Q4 2010 to Q1 2012, GM Financial loans to customers with the worst FICO scores — below 540 — shot up 79% to more than $2.3 billion. The second worst category, 540-599, rose 28% from about $3.4 billion to $4.3 billion.”
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:30 AM (Y7XKa)
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No pain no gain...right? Seriously, who gets a cleaning that doesn't hurt?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:23 AM (AUeaU)
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how you tried an ultrasonic cleaning? they use sound waves with the right frequencies to break the material off the teeth. eliminates most, if not all, of the digging and scraping.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:23 AM (AUeaU)
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how you tried an ultrasonic cleaning? they use sound waves with the right frequencies to break the material off the teeth. eliminates most, if not all, of the digging and scraping.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 12:30 AM (ufJKx)
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Painlessly or the natural way?
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I'm pretty sure that the natural way is less painful then dentistry. Also, I could tell me dentist to knock it off with the flossing rap.
Painlessly or the natural way?
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I'm pretty sure that the natural way is less painful then dentistry. Also, I could tell me dentist to knock it off with the flossing rap.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:31 AM (AUeaU)
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>>>When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 12:31 AM (c1WVm)
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how you tried an ultrasonic cleaning?
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Never heard of it...is it something new?
I noticed in the last six months my dentist got a new computer system that integrates your x-rays into an app on the computer.
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Never heard of it...is it something new?
I noticed in the last six months my dentist got a new computer system that integrates your x-rays into an app on the computer.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (AUeaU)
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--Irish monks invented (discovered?) whiskey/aqua vitae in the sixth or seventh century. Not as old as beer or wine, but pretty damn old.
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Monks also invented champagne and brandy. They still brew ale in Belgium.
Don't ever let anyone tell you the Catholic Church contributed nothing to the wellbeing of mankind.
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Monks also invented champagne and brandy. They still brew ale in Belgium.
Don't ever let anyone tell you the Catholic Church contributed nothing to the wellbeing of mankind.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (EflcN)
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Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM (AUeaU)
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>>>Imagine, for example, Jim Caviezel in the role - I think you'd get a much deeper portrayal of Stuaffenberg's character - and the guy even has some resemblance.
After seeing the film I was amazed at how closely Cruise resembled Stauffenberg physically. I did think the film should have focused more on Stauffenberg's motivations. I've always wondered whether he was motivated more by disgust for the Nazis (which the Germans tend to play up for political reasons) or simply by concern for the obvious fact that the Nazis were taking Germany to destruction.
After seeing the film I was amazed at how closely Cruise resembled Stauffenberg physically. I did think the film should have focused more on Stauffenberg's motivations. I've always wondered whether he was motivated more by disgust for the Nazis (which the Germans tend to play up for political reasons) or simply by concern for the obvious fact that the Nazis were taking Germany to destruction.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM (zMouK)
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>>>When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 12:31 AM (c1WVm)
I wish they'd get on the stick with that "fat-derived stem cell" thing -- I'm carrying around 1-1/2 extra people in anticipation.
>>>When the heck is science going to give us the ability to regrow teeth?
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 12:31 AM (c1WVm)
I wish they'd get on the stick with that "fat-derived stem cell" thing -- I'm carrying around 1-1/2 extra people in anticipation.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 12:35 AM (kaalw)
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My rankings of the seasons ("Days") of 24:
1. 4: very taut, has bona fide Musselmen as the baddies and I love the Friendly Neighborhood Terrorists arc. Plus, the SECDEF was a badass.
2. 5: Plot itself was so-so, but President Logan was great.
3. 2: Hate the Big Reveal and the Cougar Scene, but still a great pace.
4. 3: Weepy storyline.
5. 1: Glad I did not watch it when it originally aired live, or else I might have been turned off by the gimmickiness and soap opera tricks.
6. 8: Slight improvement at the end, but too little, too late.
7. 7: Just got silly, and especially disappointing after Redemption when I thought the series would improve much more.
8. 6: The less said, the better. All the worst proclivities of the show in one season.
If I had to rank Redemption, it would be above average, maybe 3b. Clearly once the conservative POV was diminished, so did show quality.
1. 4: very taut, has bona fide Musselmen as the baddies and I love the Friendly Neighborhood Terrorists arc. Plus, the SECDEF was a badass.
2. 5: Plot itself was so-so, but President Logan was great.
3. 2: Hate the Big Reveal and the Cougar Scene, but still a great pace.
4. 3: Weepy storyline.
5. 1: Glad I did not watch it when it originally aired live, or else I might have been turned off by the gimmickiness and soap opera tricks.
6. 8: Slight improvement at the end, but too little, too late.
7. 7: Just got silly, and especially disappointing after Redemption when I thought the series would improve much more.
8. 6: The less said, the better. All the worst proclivities of the show in one season.
If I had to rank Redemption, it would be above average, maybe 3b. Clearly once the conservative POV was diminished, so did show quality.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:35 AM (imVgX)
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Don't ever let anyone tell you the Catholic Church contributed nothing to the wellbeing of mankind.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (EflcN)
--Amen.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (EflcN)
--Amen.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:36 AM (imVgX)
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Hi eman. All is well. School's out, vacation, cleaning, sorting, organizing, etc. Not a lot of time to indulge in my AoS addiction anymore. Last couple of nights were the first chance I've had in a long while.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:36 AM (RZ8pf)
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After seeing the film I was amazed at how closely Cruise resembled Stauffenberg physically. I did think the film should have focused more on Stauffenberg's motivations. I've always wondered whether he was motivated more by disgust for the Nazis (which the Germans tend to play up for political reasons) or simply by concern for the obvious fact that the Nazis were taking Germany to destruction.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM
Wehrmacht officers tended to detest the Nazis personally and many were Constitutional Monarchists.
That's probably the primary reason that Hitler created the Waffen SS
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM
Wehrmacht officers tended to detest the Nazis personally and many were Constitutional Monarchists.
That's probably the primary reason that Hitler created the Waffen SS
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:36 AM (Y7XKa)
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I don't find teeth cleaning painful, but I do hate the scraping sound - worse than fingernails on a blackboard.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:36 AM (EflcN)
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Just because the MSM has a full double black out of Restoring Love, the rest of the right need not join it as well.
Posted by: TJexcite at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (3qeX5)
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Kbdabear,
Would you be interested in posting a picture on your blog of the greatest van known to man? If so, where can I email the pic?
Would you be interested in posting a picture on your blog of the greatest van known to man? If so, where can I email the pic?
Posted by: derit at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (ruiF1)
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I thought Valkyrie got a bad rap. However, I don't think any film could convey how tense life was at the time. This is a pretty good account of what life was like in Berlin: http://goo.gl/FtAih
This woman worked for the foreign ministry and was friends with the plotters.
This woman worked for the foreign ministry and was friends with the plotters.
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (Qev5V)
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Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM (AUeaU)
Why not in other places?
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:33 AM (AUeaU)
Why not in other places?
Posted by: vagina dentata at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (kaalw)
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283 Well, get ready for another bailout for Obama UAW Motors, since they won't actually repossess the junk heaps
Sounds like the only people buying Government Motors cars are Obama supporters.
Sounds like the only people buying Government Motors cars are Obama supporters.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 12:39 AM (sdi6R)
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I'm watching Season 7 of 24. Is it worth the time?
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM
THERE'S NO TIME !!!!!!!
Posted by: Redd at July 29, 2012 12:10 AM
THERE'S NO TIME !!!!!!!
Posted by: Jack Bauer at July 29, 2012 12:40 AM (Y7XKa)
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Any alternative fiction books out that take the timeline from "if Hitler died"?
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:40 AM (2d71t)
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simply by concern for the obvious fact that the Nazis were taking Germany to destruction.
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Stauffenberg turned against Hitler in '42, when the war looked winnable still for the Germans.
His claim was the atrocities he saw in the USSR were what turned him, which is believable. An old school Christian Prussian, he didn't have a problem with war - but the kind of things the National Socialists were doing were very different then the sorts of things the old Junkers did when they ran Germany.
Of course, to their discredit, most stood by Hitler.
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Stauffenberg turned against Hitler in '42, when the war looked winnable still for the Germans.
His claim was the atrocities he saw in the USSR were what turned him, which is believable. An old school Christian Prussian, he didn't have a problem with war - but the kind of things the National Socialists were doing were very different then the sorts of things the old Junkers did when they ran Germany.
Of course, to their discredit, most stood by Hitler.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:40 AM (AUeaU)
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Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
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???You people are fucked!
Regrow teeth from fat-derived stem cells? Hmm...there's an idea...
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If you can regrow them once...why not twice?
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???You people are fucked!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 29, 2012 12:40 AM (enQ33)
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Kbdabear,
Would you be interested in posting a picture on your blog of the greatest van known to man? If so, where can I email the pic?
Posted by: derit at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM
Tweet it to me @kbdabear
Kbdabear,
Would you be interested in posting a picture on your blog of the greatest van known to man? If so, where can I email the pic?
Posted by: derit at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM
Tweet it to me @kbdabear
Posted by: Jack Bauer at July 29, 2012 12:41 AM (Y7XKa)
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Also had waaaaaaay too much family time this summer. My sisters, while they didn't vote for Obama, they are staunch Democrats nevertheless. One sister was talking about how she was afraid that being Republican was contagious and she might catch something after she talked to a known Republican in her office (gasp!) Another sister was appalled that I thought more gun control wouldn't prevent further Aurora style shootings. Because apparently guns leap into law abiding citizen's hands and make them do criminal things. If there weren't guns, people wouldn't commit so much crime.
I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (RZ8pf)
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PSY has always been goofy but this is example #3,498 in why you never give the talent power to make the music video
http://tinyurl.com/cc7rolq
http://tinyurl.com/cc7rolq
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (tw6Ar)
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how you tried an ultrasonic cleaning?
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Never heard of it...is it something new?
I noticed in the last six months my dentist got a new computer system that integrates your x-rays into an app on the computer.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (AUeaU)
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not real new. 5-10 years. but, my dentist has had x-ray apps on his computer for a long time, too. sounds like your guy is behind the times.
ask around about the sonic cleaning. cuts the unpleasantness factor by at least 7.2
how you tried an ultrasonic cleaning?
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Never heard of it...is it something new?
I noticed in the last six months my dentist got a new computer system that integrates your x-rays into an app on the computer.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:32 AM (AUeaU)
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not real new. 5-10 years. but, my dentist has had x-ray apps on his computer for a long time, too. sounds like your guy is behind the times.
ask around about the sonic cleaning. cuts the unpleasantness factor by at least 7.2
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (ufJKx)
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Why not in other places?
Posted by: vagina dentata at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (kaalw)
Why, do you mean to tell me they don't have teeth down there now? I don't believe it.
Posted by: vagina dentata at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (kaalw)
Why, do you mean to tell me they don't have teeth down there now? I don't believe it.
Posted by: Andi Sullivan at July 29, 2012 12:44 AM (EflcN)
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That's probably the primary reason that Hitler created the Waffen SS
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Being a revolutionary community organizer himself, originally Hitler was planning on using the SA as his private army and doing away with the existing army or sidelining it.
The problem for Hitler is the SA were led by a "loud and proud" pedophile, and the Wehrmacht leadership made it clear they would not allow Hitler to sweep Rohm into any kind of real power.
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Being a revolutionary community organizer himself, originally Hitler was planning on using the SA as his private army and doing away with the existing army or sidelining it.
The problem for Hitler is the SA were led by a "loud and proud" pedophile, and the Wehrmacht leadership made it clear they would not allow Hitler to sweep Rohm into any kind of real power.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:44 AM (AUeaU)
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Thank-you Steck
Posted by: kinlaw at July 29, 2012 12:46 AM (qpkRP)
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Why not in other places?
Posted by: vagina dentata at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (kaalw)
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Some people take too many drugs
Posted by: vagina dentata at July 29, 2012 12:37 AM (kaalw)
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Some people take too many drugs
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:47 AM (AUeaU)
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Speaking of Nazis I am watching "Where Eagles Dare" and they flew a helecopter (that hadn't been invented yet) into the courtyard of the castle. WTF was that all about.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 12:47 AM (MtwBb)
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I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (RZ8pf)
--With the arrival of the babeh, my son has often been the only male companion available for most of the summer for me. Wife, mother-in-law, sister-in-law . . . surrounded by estrogen. It was fun last weekend to prop the babeh up on a pillow in the hotel and just chill and watch TV with him alone.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (RZ8pf)
--With the arrival of the babeh, my son has often been the only male companion available for most of the summer for me. Wife, mother-in-law, sister-in-law . . . surrounded by estrogen. It was fun last weekend to prop the babeh up on a pillow in the hotel and just chill and watch TV with him alone.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:47 AM (imVgX)
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Because apparently guns leap into law abiding
citizen's hands and make them do criminal things. If there weren't guns,
people wouldn't commit so much crime.
I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM
There are laws against theft, burglary, assault, drug dealing, and murder
Lefties always believe that the one law that thugs will obey is a gun control law
Unless we turn things around, our coronary report will be;
United States of America
1776-2016
Cause of Death: Stupidity
citizen's hands and make them do criminal things. If there weren't guns,
people wouldn't commit so much crime.
I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM
There are laws against theft, burglary, assault, drug dealing, and murder
Lefties always believe that the one law that thugs will obey is a gun control law
Unless we turn things around, our coronary report will be;
United States of America
1776-2016
Cause of Death: Stupidity
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:48 AM (Y7XKa)
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303 Any alternative fiction books out that take the timeline from "if Hitler died"?
Can't say anything about books, but the "Red Alert" series of RTS computer games posited a world where Hitler was "taken care of" after he was released from prison in 1924.
There was still a second World War, except now the Soviet Union was the supreme aggressor.
Oh, and Stalin's adviser was Kane from the Command and Conquer: Tiberian Dawn series.
Can't say anything about books, but the "Red Alert" series of RTS computer games posited a world where Hitler was "taken care of" after he was released from prison in 1924.
There was still a second World War, except now the Soviet Union was the supreme aggressor.
Oh, and Stalin's adviser was Kane from the Command and Conquer: Tiberian Dawn series.
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 12:48 AM (c1WVm)
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 29, 2012 12:49 AM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 12:49 AM (MtwBb)
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and they flew a helecopter (that hadn't been invented yet)
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There were helicopters in WWII. Not many - but I think both the Germans and Americans had them.
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There were helicopters in WWII. Not many - but I think both the Germans and Americans had them.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:49 AM (AUeaU)
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>>>>Stauffenberg turned against Hitler in '42, when the war looked winnable still for the Germans.
By '42 Operation Barbarossa had failed and the Eastern Front had become essentially a war of attrition. Barring a miracle, Germany was bound to lose by that point, even according to Albert Speer's detailed projections.
And anyway, Stauffenberg didn't act until mid-1944, after the Anglo-Americans had invaded France and Operation Bagration had destroyed the German defensive front in the East.
I think Stauffenberg would have remained loyal had he perceived that Germany could still end the war successfully.
By '42 Operation Barbarossa had failed and the Eastern Front had become essentially a war of attrition. Barring a miracle, Germany was bound to lose by that point, even according to Albert Speer's detailed projections.
And anyway, Stauffenberg didn't act until mid-1944, after the Anglo-Americans had invaded France and Operation Bagration had destroyed the German defensive front in the East.
I think Stauffenberg would have remained loyal had he perceived that Germany could still end the war successfully.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 12:50 AM (zMouK)
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Oh, and Stalin's adviser was Kane from the Command and Conquer: Tiberian Dawn series.
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Did they ever explain that in any of the later games? Why he was a communist leader in the 50s, and a terrorist leader in the 90s?
IIRC, at one point you can blast his palace with an ion cannon and see that he is a robot...but that doesn't explain anything either.
Oh, and Stalin's adviser was Kane from the Command and Conquer: Tiberian Dawn series.
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Did they ever explain that in any of the later games? Why he was a communist leader in the 50s, and a terrorist leader in the 90s?
IIRC, at one point you can blast his palace with an ion cannon and see that he is a robot...but that doesn't explain anything either.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (AUeaU)
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There are laws against theft, burglary, assault, drug dealing, and murder
Lefties always believe that the one law that thugs will obey is a gun control law
Unless we turn things around, our coronary report will be;
United States of America
1776-2016
Cause of Death: Stupidity
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:48 AM (Y7XKa)
--Just look at the logic a lot of libtards apply to abortion ("it will be driven underground"/"women will find a way anyway"/"safe and legal") and throw it back at them when they try to apply it in the opposite direction with guns.
Lefties always believe that the one law that thugs will obey is a gun control law
Unless we turn things around, our coronary report will be;
United States of America
1776-2016
Cause of Death: Stupidity
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:48 AM (Y7XKa)
--Just look at the logic a lot of libtards apply to abortion ("it will be driven underground"/"women will find a way anyway"/"safe and legal") and throw it back at them when they try to apply it in the opposite direction with guns.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (imVgX)
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I drank a lot on vacation. A. Lot.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (RZ8pf)
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I empathize with you. My libtardinlaws were going on today about how of course, Obama will be reelected, because Mitt is just so boring. And he's rich, too, isn't that terrible?
Of course, these are the same geniuses who were sure-absolutely POSITIVE - 3 months ago that Scott Walker would be recalled. They're still sure- completely SURE - that he's going to the slammer any day now.
That's why I just shrugged my shoulders and smiled sweetly at them this afternoon. Their predictive powers have not been impressive.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:43 AM (RZ8pf)
____________________________________________
I empathize with you. My libtardinlaws were going on today about how of course, Obama will be reelected, because Mitt is just so boring. And he's rich, too, isn't that terrible?
Of course, these are the same geniuses who were sure-absolutely POSITIVE - 3 months ago that Scott Walker would be recalled. They're still sure- completely SURE - that he's going to the slammer any day now.
That's why I just shrugged my shoulders and smiled sweetly at them this afternoon. Their predictive powers have not been impressive.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (EflcN)
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There were helicopters in WWII. Not many - but I think both the Germans and Americans had them.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:49 AM (AUeaU)
Really? I didn't know that. I thought the US was first to put them in service during the Korean war.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:49 AM (AUeaU)
Really? I didn't know that. I thought the US was first to put them in service during the Korean war.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 12:53 AM (MtwBb)
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robtr, pretty good, how are things in Kirkland? Enjoying summer so far?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:53 AM (RZ8pf)
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Of course, these are the same geniuses who were sure-absolutely POSITIVE - 3 months ago that Scott Walker would be recalled. They're still sure- completely SURE - that he's going to the slammer any day now.
That's why I just shrugged my shoulders and smiled sweetly at them this afternoon. Their predictive powers have not been impressive.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (EflcN)
--So will you do a guest post about being related by marriage to Greg?
That's why I just shrugged my shoulders and smiled sweetly at them this afternoon. Their predictive powers have not been impressive.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (EflcN)
--So will you do a guest post about being related by marriage to Greg?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (imVgX)
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Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (EflcN)
One of your friends doesn't happen to be a fat skank that smells of cat urine does she?
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 12:51 AM (EflcN)
One of your friends doesn't happen to be a fat skank that smells of cat urine does she?
Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (GULKT)
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Those heels make it hard to walk.
Posted by: Phantom Rum Ex-Boyfriend with Liquified Testicles at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (iKrtc)
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"Well morons, we weren't the only ones confused and horrified with the opening ceremony yesterday. Americans Baffled By Left-Wing Tribute To Free Healthcare During Opening Ceremonies."
"It was a celebration of Britain's national health service, which has provided free taxpayer-funded health care to everyone in the country since its foundation after the Second World War."
Seems to me if the taxpayers are funding it, it isn't exactly "free"...
"It was a celebration of Britain's national health service, which has provided free taxpayer-funded health care to everyone in the country since its foundation after the Second World War."
Seems to me if the taxpayers are funding it, it isn't exactly "free"...
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 29, 2012 12:55 AM (4s7w4)
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PGIS
Things are fine, summer seems to come and go though. Maybe August will be all summer for a change.
Things are fine, summer seems to come and go though. Maybe August will be all summer for a change.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 12:57 AM (MtwBb)
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"It was a celebration of Britain's national health service, which has provided free taxpayer-funded health care to everyone in the country since its foundation after the Second World War."Seems to me if the taxpayers are funding it, it isn't exactly "free"...
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 29, 2012 12:55 AM (4s7w4)
And if its providing it to everyone itseems really odd that my british friends would still be purchasing health insurance.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 29, 2012 12:55 AM (4s7w4)
And if its providing it to everyone itseems really odd that my british friends would still be purchasing health insurance.
Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 12:58 AM (GULKT)
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robtr, it's my fault. I will wait to water until after several sunny days and then say to myself "you'd better water, it isn't going to rain" and then after I water the next day starts the torrential downpours. On the plus side, my flowering pots are going crazy this summer. The flowers in one pot have grown so tall they are toppling over themselves.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:59 AM (RZ8pf)
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Speaking of Operation Barbarossa, the far left and outright communists in America ran large neutrality and "Peace" organizations but after 6/22/41 suddenly urged Americans to go to war in Europe. The Second Front Now movement was run by the CPUSA, with Charlie Chaplin being their leading celebrity mouthpiece
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 12:59 AM (Y7XKa)
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By '42 Operation Barbarossa had failed and the Eastern Front had become
essentially a war of attrition. Barring a miracle, Germany was bound
to lose by that point, even according to Albert Speer's detailed
projections.
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I don't think that analysis would have been shared by many German Colonels in 1942. The Germans advanced significantly in the summer of 1942. In the fall they would stagnate, and in the winter would be the battle of Stalingrad.
Personally, I've always found the argument that Germany could not have won due to the predictive nature of industrial potential flawed. The Germans made a lot of bad decisions, especially after the summer of '41. And the Soviets started making better ones.
essentially a war of attrition. Barring a miracle, Germany was bound
to lose by that point, even according to Albert Speer's detailed
projections.
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I don't think that analysis would have been shared by many German Colonels in 1942. The Germans advanced significantly in the summer of 1942. In the fall they would stagnate, and in the winter would be the battle of Stalingrad.
Personally, I've always found the argument that Germany could not have won due to the predictive nature of industrial potential flawed. The Germans made a lot of bad decisions, especially after the summer of '41. And the Soviets started making better ones.
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There were helicopters in WWII. Not many - but I think both the Germans and Americans had them.
I was going to suggest that perhaps you were confusing helicopters with autogyros, but then I checked Wikipedia:
Despite the success of the Gyroplane Laboratoire, the German Focke-Wulf Fw 61, first flown in 1936, would eclipse its accomplishments. The Fw 61 broke all of the helicopter world records in 1937, demonstrating a flight envelope that had only previously been achieved by the autogyro. Nazi Germany would use helicopters in small numbers during World War II for observation, transport, and medical evacuation. The Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri synchropter was used in the Mediterranean, while the Focke Achgelis Fa 223 Drache was used in Europe.[citation needed] Extensive bombing by the Allied forces prevented Germany from producing any helicopters in large quantities during the war.
In the United States, Igor Sikorsky and W. Lawrence LePage were competing to produce the United States military's first helicopter. Prior to the war, LePage had received the patent rights to develop helicopters patterned after the Fw 61, and built the XR-1.[31] Meanwhile, Sikorsky had settled on a simpler, single rotor design, the VS-300, which turned out to be the first practical single lifting-rotor helicopter design and the best-flying one since the Soviet TsAGI 1-EA flown nearly a decade before.[citation needed] After experimenting with configurations to counteract the torque produced by the single main rotor, he settled on a single, smaller rotor mounted on the tailboom.
Developed from the VS-300, Sikorsky's R-4 became the first large-scale mass produced helicopter with a production order for 100 aircraft. The R-4 was the only Allied helicopter to see service in World War II, primarily being used for rescue in Burma, Alaska, and other areas with harsh terrain. Total production would reach 131 helicopters before the R-4 was replaced by other Sikorsky helicopters such as the R-5 and the R-6. In all, Sikorsky would produce over 400 helicopters before the end of World War II.[32]
Fascinating. I didn't know that.
There were helicopters in WWII. Not many - but I think both the Germans and Americans had them.
I was going to suggest that perhaps you were confusing helicopters with autogyros, but then I checked Wikipedia:
Despite the success of the Gyroplane Laboratoire, the German Focke-Wulf Fw 61, first flown in 1936, would eclipse its accomplishments. The Fw 61 broke all of the helicopter world records in 1937, demonstrating a flight envelope that had only previously been achieved by the autogyro. Nazi Germany would use helicopters in small numbers during World War II for observation, transport, and medical evacuation. The Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri synchropter was used in the Mediterranean, while the Focke Achgelis Fa 223 Drache was used in Europe.[citation needed] Extensive bombing by the Allied forces prevented Germany from producing any helicopters in large quantities during the war.
In the United States, Igor Sikorsky and W. Lawrence LePage were competing to produce the United States military's first helicopter. Prior to the war, LePage had received the patent rights to develop helicopters patterned after the Fw 61, and built the XR-1.[31] Meanwhile, Sikorsky had settled on a simpler, single rotor design, the VS-300, which turned out to be the first practical single lifting-rotor helicopter design and the best-flying one since the Soviet TsAGI 1-EA flown nearly a decade before.[citation needed] After experimenting with configurations to counteract the torque produced by the single main rotor, he settled on a single, smaller rotor mounted on the tailboom.
Developed from the VS-300, Sikorsky's R-4 became the first large-scale mass produced helicopter with a production order for 100 aircraft. The R-4 was the only Allied helicopter to see service in World War II, primarily being used for rescue in Burma, Alaska, and other areas with harsh terrain. Total production would reach 131 helicopters before the R-4 was replaced by other Sikorsky helicopters such as the R-5 and the R-6. In all, Sikorsky would produce over 400 helicopters before the end of World War II.[32]
Fascinating. I didn't know that.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 01:00 AM (sdi6R)
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Evening Friends. Just finished up my Gaming post. Holy wall of text for you tomorrow
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Oh, you tease, you.
Evening Friends. Just finished up my Gaming post. Holy wall of text for you tomorrow
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Oh, you tease, you.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 29, 2012 01:00 AM (1c58W)
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>>>Did they ever explain that in any of the later games? Why he was a communist leader in the 50s, and a terrorist leader in the 90s?
AFAIK, the Red Alert series went off on its own time-line after the 1st game, with no more mentions of Kane. The second Red Alert game was alright, but the 3rd game...ugh. Don't know much about C&C Generals though.
AFAIK, the Red Alert series went off on its own time-line after the 1st game, with no more mentions of Kane. The second Red Alert game was alright, but the 3rd game...ugh. Don't know much about C&C Generals though.
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 01:01 AM (c1WVm)
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The flowers in one pot have grown so tall they are toppling over themselves.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:59 AM (RZ8pf)
Yeah my tomatos are giant. I have one in one of those topsey turvey things that measures 4'x4' and has about 100 tomatoes on it . Now if they will just get ripe.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 29, 2012 12:59 AM (RZ8pf)
Yeah my tomatos are giant. I have one in one of those topsey turvey things that measures 4'x4' and has about 100 tomatoes on it . Now if they will just get ripe.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:02 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at July 29, 2012 01:02 AM (1c58W)
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There were limited numbers of helicopters in WWII
The USA had a couple hundred Sikorsky R-4s
The Germans had Focke-Wulfs but only a handfull
The USA had a couple hundred Sikorsky R-4s
The Germans had Focke-Wulfs but only a handfull
Posted by: Beto at July 29, 2012 01:02 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:03 AM (AUeaU)
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Ultrasonic cleaning is great. No pain and very effective.
If you have lots of pain during a cleaning it may mean you have an underlying gum infection.
I had that. There is a special laser cleaning you can get to get rid of it, but it requires numbing because the laser burns off the infected tissue.
It was was worth it. All is much better now and regular cleanings do not hurt a bit.
If you have lots of pain during a cleaning it may mean you have an underlying gum infection.
I had that. There is a special laser cleaning you can get to get rid of it, but it requires numbing because the laser burns off the infected tissue.
It was was worth it. All is much better now and regular cleanings do not hurt a bit.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:04 AM (bbW7j)
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Wow, after breezing through some 24 pages, I had no idea Shohreh Aghdashloo is 60. Persian women are hot and age well.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:07 AM (imVgX)
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Personally, I've always found the argument that
Germany could not have won due to the predictive nature of industrial
potential flawed. The Germans made a lot of bad decisions, especially
after the summer of '41. And the Soviets started making better ones.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:00 AM
The original plan was for Barbarossa to begin in May of 1941, but Hitler ordered a vindictive action in Greece, holding them up a month. The Germans might have been hanging the swastika in the Kremlin in October of 41 instead of picking mud out of their tank tracks
The German's northern army group reached Leningrad in plenty of time, but they had some help from the Finns
Germany could not have won due to the predictive nature of industrial
potential flawed. The Germans made a lot of bad decisions, especially
after the summer of '41. And the Soviets started making better ones.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:00 AM
The original plan was for Barbarossa to begin in May of 1941, but Hitler ordered a vindictive action in Greece, holding them up a month. The Germans might have been hanging the swastika in the Kremlin in October of 41 instead of picking mud out of their tank tracks
The German's northern army group reached Leningrad in plenty of time, but they had some help from the Finns
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:08 AM (Y7XKa)
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--So will you do a guest post about being related by marriage to Greg?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (imVgX)
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Heh, they do sound just like him. Not bad people, really, if you confine your conversations with them to the Packers, or good restaurants in Madison, or novels - anything non-political. The second politics comes up -well, it's amazing to watch the instant transformation from friendly Midwesterners into raving Madison loons. But, no, I'm the one who is "extremist."
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One of your friends doesn't happen to be a fat skank that smells of cat urine does she?
Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (GULKT)
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"Curiously" no cat urine was evident, but one of them drowns herself in patchouli, a habit she evidently adopted in her '60's heyday. Patchouli stinks as bad as cat piss.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (imVgX)
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Heh, they do sound just like him. Not bad people, really, if you confine your conversations with them to the Packers, or good restaurants in Madison, or novels - anything non-political. The second politics comes up -well, it's amazing to watch the instant transformation from friendly Midwesterners into raving Madison loons. But, no, I'm the one who is "extremist."
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One of your friends doesn't happen to be a fat skank that smells of cat urine does she?
Posted by: buzzion at July 29, 2012 12:54 AM (GULKT)
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"Curiously" no cat urine was evident, but one of them drowns herself in patchouli, a habit she evidently adopted in her '60's heyday. Patchouli stinks as bad as cat piss.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 01:08 AM (EflcN)
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Mexicans are no longer arrested for drunk driving in major cities. That's the change.
Posted by: Jack at July 29, 2012 01:09 AM (A+59T)
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The original plan was for Barbarossa to begin in May of 1941, but Hitler ordered a vindictive action in Greece, holding them up a month. The Germans might have been hanging the swastika in the Kremlin in October of 41 instead of picking mud out of their tank tracks
The German's northern army group reached Leningrad in plenty of time, but they had some help from the Finns
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:08 AM (Y7XKa)
--Not just Greece. Mussolini needed bailing out for invading it, and then Hitler thought Yugoslavia would pitch in. Then there was a coup against the regent there and an uncooperative government replaced it, so Hitler then had to invade both Yugoslavia *and* Greece before the USSR, costing him a precious six weeks of good weather.
The German's northern army group reached Leningrad in plenty of time, but they had some help from the Finns
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:08 AM (Y7XKa)
--Not just Greece. Mussolini needed bailing out for invading it, and then Hitler thought Yugoslavia would pitch in. Then there was a coup against the regent there and an uncooperative government replaced it, so Hitler then had to invade both Yugoslavia *and* Greece before the USSR, costing him a precious six weeks of good weather.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:10 AM (imVgX)
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Looking at your phone (texting etc) while driving has certainly increased. We should probably stop doing that. There are a lot more fancy phones now than before. Wonder if those traffic deaths have anything to do with that.
But don't worry, the government will help.
But don't worry, the government will help.
Posted by: Durka Durka at July 29, 2012 01:11 AM (Wd1Zo)
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>>>>The original plan was for Barbarossa to begin in May of 1941, but Hitler ordered a vindictive action in Greece, holding them up a month. The Germans might have been hanging the swastika in the Kremlin in October of 41 instead of picking mud out of their tank tracks
Barbarossa was supposed to be an eight-week campaign. Hitler was sure the Soviet Union would collapse with a good swift kick. His miscalculation of Russian tenacity probably ensured the bad outcome regardless of whether the attack came in May or June.
Barbarossa was supposed to be an eight-week campaign. Hitler was sure the Soviet Union would collapse with a good swift kick. His miscalculation of Russian tenacity probably ensured the bad outcome regardless of whether the attack came in May or June.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 01:13 AM (zMouK)
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Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (bbW7j)
6 days. The end of Ramadan is on August 18th, 6 days after the Olympic Games Closing Ceremony.
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WTF?
Doesn't anyone remember that Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish observance, back in 1973??
So...what's with this "waiting" shit?
Posted by: eman at July 28, 2012 10:31 PM (bbW7j)
6 days. The end of Ramadan is on August 18th, 6 days after the Olympic Games Closing Ceremony.
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WTF?
Doesn't anyone remember that Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish observance, back in 1973??
So...what's with this "waiting" shit?
Posted by: Bibi at July 29, 2012 01:13 AM (FNV+6)
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But don't worry, the government will help.
Posted by: Durka Durka at July 29, 2012 01:11 AM (Wd1Zo)
We have laws against it here and it's a pretty stiff fine. There isn't a day goes by that I don't have to honk at some asshole sitting at a stoplight texting or whatever.
Posted by: Durka Durka at July 29, 2012 01:11 AM (Wd1Zo)
We have laws against it here and it's a pretty stiff fine. There isn't a day goes by that I don't have to honk at some asshole sitting at a stoplight texting or whatever.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (MtwBb)
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Once the Germans made the really bad decision to invade the USSR, any good decisions made later were fairly moot.
If they had stopped all invasions in 41 and recharged their military and consolidated their gains they'd have been untouchable until we were able to nuke them.
If they had stopped all invasions in 41 and recharged their military and consolidated their gains they'd have been untouchable until we were able to nuke them.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (bbW7j)
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Barbarossa was supposed to be an eight-week campaign. Hitler was sure the Soviet Union would collapse with a good swift kick. His miscalculation of Russian tenacity probably ensured the bad outcome regardless of whether the attack came in May or June.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 01:13 AM (zMouK)
--The Ukranians were ready and willing to line up with the Germans and their allies until the SS started slaughtering them. It took Hitler for them to support Stalin.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 01:13 AM (zMouK)
--The Ukranians were ready and willing to line up with the Germans and their allies until the SS started slaughtering them. It took Hitler for them to support Stalin.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:15 AM (imVgX)
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Great. This has turned into a World War II thread.
It's like Belmont Club in here.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
It's like Belmont Club in here.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 01:16 AM (sdi6R)
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353 Once the Germans made the really bad decision to invade the USSR, any good decisions made later were fairly moot.
If they had stopped all invasions in 41 and recharged their military and consolidated their gains they'd have been untouchable until we were able to nuke them.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (bbW7j)
--As my late history prof in college said, the Germans were so afraid of a two-front war, yet could never resist getting engaged in them.
If they had stopped all invasions in 41 and recharged their military and consolidated their gains they'd have been untouchable until we were able to nuke them.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (bbW7j)
--As my late history prof in college said, the Germans were so afraid of a two-front war, yet could never resist getting engaged in them.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:16 AM (imVgX)
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Possible causes of increased traffic deaths
Illegals who know cops are ordered not to bother them anymore
Juiceboxers who think they're fantastic drivers even though everyone passes driver ed
Lefties having seizures when they accidentally tune in to Limbaugh instead of NPR
Illegals who know cops are ordered not to bother them anymore
Juiceboxers who think they're fantastic drivers even though everyone passes driver ed
Lefties having seizures when they accidentally tune in to Limbaugh instead of NPR
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:18 AM (Y7XKa)
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If they had stopped all invasions in 41 and recharged their military and consolidated their gains they'd have been untouchable until we were able to nuke them.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (bbW7j)
Or they nuked us.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:14 AM (bbW7j)
Or they nuked us.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:18 AM (MtwBb)
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Great. This has turned into a World War II thread.
It's like Belmont Club in here.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 01:16 AM (sdi6R)
I bet if one of Hitler's occult advisors had suggested he wait until 42 or 43, he may have listened and done so.
It's like Belmont Club in here.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 01:16 AM (sdi6R)
I bet if one of Hitler's occult advisors had suggested he wait until 42 or 43, he may have listened and done so.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:18 AM (bbW7j)
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Barbarossa was supposed to be an eight-week campaign. Hitler was sure
the Soviet Union would collapse with a good swift kick. His
miscalculation of Russian tenacity probably ensured the bad outcome
regardless of whether the attack came in May or June.
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The other problem with his strategy was that he literally gave Soviet citizens no choice. Surrender really did mean death and slavery.
A more sober leader may have been able to insight signficant disorder in the Soviet Union just by offering something slightly better then the horrors the communists had already inflicted on them.
Of course such a man would likely have not made the reckless gambles that Hitler did that paid off in the first place.
the Soviet Union would collapse with a good swift kick. His
miscalculation of Russian tenacity probably ensured the bad outcome
regardless of whether the attack came in May or June.
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The other problem with his strategy was that he literally gave Soviet citizens no choice. Surrender really did mean death and slavery.
A more sober leader may have been able to insight signficant disorder in the Soviet Union just by offering something slightly better then the horrors the communists had already inflicted on them.
Of course such a man would likely have not made the reckless gambles that Hitler did that paid off in the first place.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:18 AM (AUeaU)
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eman, let us all enjoy our teeth cleanings now, laser or otherwise, because under Obamacare, we will probably end up with the lovely teeth the Brits are famous for.
I spent half a year in England in the early '80's and discovered that the British reputation for godawful teeth is well-deserved. I can't tell you the number of times a handsome guy smiled at me in a pub- and revealed teeth the likes of which are only seen in America in the mouths of 60 year old hobos. I could spot Americans in a crowd before I even heard them speak, just going by their teeth. English people told me they had to wait quite a while before getting in to see a dentist. They didn't have to tell me- it was obvious.
I spent half a year in England in the early '80's and discovered that the British reputation for godawful teeth is well-deserved. I can't tell you the number of times a handsome guy smiled at me in a pub- and revealed teeth the likes of which are only seen in America in the mouths of 60 year old hobos. I could spot Americans in a crowd before I even heard them speak, just going by their teeth. English people told me they had to wait quite a while before getting in to see a dentist. They didn't have to tell me- it was obvious.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 01:18 AM (EflcN)
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The German turn south to Kiev to trap many Soviet troops seems to have been the wrong choice. When the Germans resumed advancing on Moscow, in October 1941, they were too late ... but only just too late. Even then, they had a chance.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 29, 2012 01:19 AM (duVjn)
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--The Ukranians were ready and willing to line up
with the Germans and their allies until the SS started slaughtering
them. It took Hitler for them to support Stalin.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:15 AM
The Ukraine is weak !
with the Germans and their allies until the SS started slaughtering
them. It took Hitler for them to support Stalin.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:15 AM
The Ukraine is weak !
Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at July 29, 2012 01:19 AM (Y7XKa)
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How about Phelps getting that pyrite medal?
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He was probably high. There are reports that Phelps was seen drying off with "Towlie" after the event.
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He was probably high. There are reports that Phelps was seen drying off with "Towlie" after the event.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 29, 2012 01:20 AM (61yvg)
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Watched the recording just now. Can I make it to the end? The Olympic Opening Ceremonies had a tribute to WWI, (supposedly caused by the Industrial Revolution as NBCs notes from Boyle said)... there's no mention of WW2? What? I guess the left still mourns the loss of Hitler.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 01:21 AM (0hpYU)
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Once the Germans made the really bad decision to invade the USSR, any good decisions made later were fairly moot.
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Interestingly, had the Germans not invaded *Norway* in 1940 they would have been in a much better place.
The world might have seen the UK and the USSR at war over Finland.
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Interestingly, had the Germans not invaded *Norway* in 1940 they would have been in a much better place.
The world might have seen the UK and the USSR at war over Finland.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:21 AM (AUeaU)
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WTF?
Doesn't anyone remember that Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish observance, back in 1973??
So...what's with this "waiting" shit?
The bigger question is, which one will Israel hit first, Syria (to prevent chem/bio weapons from getting to Hezbollah) or Iran (nukes)? Time is growing short.
Doesn't anyone remember that Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish observance, back in 1973??
So...what's with this "waiting" shit?
The bigger question is, which one will Israel hit first, Syria (to prevent chem/bio weapons from getting to Hezbollah) or Iran (nukes)? Time is growing short.
Posted by: Kratos at July 29, 2012 01:21 AM (c1WVm)
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Another great Hitler decision: he ordered the ME262 made into a bomber.
Slowed deployment of the Nazi jet fighter long enough for our bombing campaign to half a chance.
Slowed deployment of the Nazi jet fighter long enough for our bombing campaign to half a chance.
Posted by: eman at July 29, 2012 01:23 AM (bbW7j)
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eman, speaking of staying pat, Italy should have done that and settled for Albania. Had Il Duce not been greedy in Africa and Greece it would have spared Hitler a lot of heartburn.
As Churchill put it, "Since the Italians were our allies in the last war, its only fair they they be Germany's in this one."
As Churchill put it, "Since the Italians were our allies in the last war, its only fair they they be Germany's in this one."
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:26 AM (imVgX)
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It seems that one huge fault of the Wehrmacht and SS was their habit of outrunning their own supply lines
The Germans were going across the Steppes like shit through a goose and when the inevitable Russian winter hit, they were still fighting in summer gear
The Germans were going across the Steppes like shit through a goose and when the inevitable Russian winter hit, they were still fighting in summer gear
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:27 AM (Y7XKa)
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The German turn south to Kiev to trap many Soviet troops seems to have been the wrong choice.
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They captured/killed 700,000 Soviet soldiers - who would have been an issue in their flank had they tried to bypass them.
It was the right choice to make - the problem lay primarily in the delay in the Balkans in 41, and the poor strategic choices in 1942.
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They captured/killed 700,000 Soviet soldiers - who would have been an issue in their flank had they tried to bypass them.
It was the right choice to make - the problem lay primarily in the delay in the Balkans in 41, and the poor strategic choices in 1942.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:27 AM (AUeaU)
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When the Germans resumed advancing on Moscow, in October 1941, they were
too late ... but only just too late. Even then, they had a chance.
It's not like the war ends just because you've captured Moscow, though.
too late ... but only just too late. Even then, they had a chance.
It's not like the war ends just because you've captured Moscow, though.
Posted by: Zombie Napoleon at July 29, 2012 01:27 AM (+0BNO)
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Watched the recording just now. Can I make it to the end? The Olympic Opening Ceremonies had a tribute to WWI, (supposedly caused by the Industrial Revolution as NBCs notes from Boyle said)... there's no mention of WW2? What? I guess the left still mourns the loss of Hitler.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 01:21 AM (0hpYU)
Since the Brits, Obama and NBC decided to politicize the games over Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with our enemies.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 01:21 AM (0hpYU)
Since the Brits, Obama and NBC decided to politicize the games over Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with our enemies.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (MtwBb)
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368 Another great Hitler decision: he ordered the ME262 made into a bomber.
Slowed deployment of the Nazi jet fighter long enough for our bombing campaign to half a chance.
Yeah, what the hell was he thinking with that one? He had a perfect weapon to use against our bombers.
Slowed deployment of the Nazi jet fighter long enough for our bombing campaign to half a chance.
Yeah, what the hell was he thinking with that one? He had a perfect weapon to use against our bombers.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (sdi6R)
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What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips?
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (AUeaU)
I'm betting it's because cars on the road are becoming older and having more major mechanical problems that are leading to wrecks.
What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips?
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (AUeaU)
I'm betting it's because cars on the road are becoming older and having more major mechanical problems that are leading to wrecks.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (1grxW)
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Damn, Ms. Aghdashloo is older than my mom. I would have been higher in the Popularity Index in high school if my mom looked that good.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (imVgX)
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I thought Valkyrie was extraordinary and apparently very faithful in the costuming and such (especially the German uniforms).
Where Eagles Dare is a better book, and its a pretty great movie.
Where Eagles Dare is a better book, and its a pretty great movie.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (r4wIV)
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Since the Brits, Obama and NBC decided to politicize the games over Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with our enemies.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (MtwBb)
--Amen. It's pretty much just hockey for me, one event every four years (and it involves pros instead of leeches). Fuck the rest.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (MtwBb)
--Amen. It's pretty much just hockey for me, one event every four years (and it involves pros instead of leeches). Fuck the rest.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:32 AM (imVgX)
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Conventional history says that the first bombing of London was due to a navigational error by the Luftwaffe, they had intended to deliver a knockout blow to the RAF airfields
As the conventional history goes, Churchill ordered a retaliatory RAF raid on Berlin which so enraged Hitler that he ordered nightly bombings on London, allowing the RAF to recover
I don't buy that. I think Goering assured Hitler that he stuck a fork in the RAF because they were done, and London was intentionally targeted to terrorize the British into suing for peace
As the conventional history goes, Churchill ordered a retaliatory RAF raid on Berlin which so enraged Hitler that he ordered nightly bombings on London, allowing the RAF to recover
I don't buy that. I think Goering assured Hitler that he stuck a fork in the RAF because they were done, and London was intentionally targeted to terrorize the British into suing for peace
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:33 AM (Y7XKa)
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Where Eagles Dare is a better book, and its a pretty great movie.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (r4wIV)
--Yes, and it's been over 20 years since I saw it. Worth another viewing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (r4wIV)
--Yes, and it's been over 20 years since I saw it. Worth another viewing.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:33 AM (imVgX)
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Good evening.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 01:33 AM (4ixH5)
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""Since the Brits, Obama and NBC decided to politicize the games over
Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching
them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games
politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with
our enemies.""
No shit, same here. I usually record them. Not this year.
Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching
them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games
politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with
our enemies.""
No shit, same here. I usually record them. Not this year.
Posted by: Berserker at July 29, 2012 01:33 AM (FMbng)
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" I think Goering assured Hitler that he stuck a fork in the RAF because they were done, and London was intentionally targeted to terrorize the British into suing for peace."
Add to that the frustration that Hitler felt by losing the Battle of Britain. He wanted England to suffer and pay for defying him. He wanted everyone, everywhere in the world to understand that defying the Reich meant hell.
The Germans almost won the Battle of Britian; England was essentially out of fuel. One more day and they'd have done it, but it was taking too long and Germany wanted nations to be terrified of them. Take too long to conquer a country and the next one won't be as frightened.
Add to that the frustration that Hitler felt by losing the Battle of Britain. He wanted England to suffer and pay for defying him. He wanted everyone, everywhere in the world to understand that defying the Reich meant hell.
The Germans almost won the Battle of Britian; England was essentially out of fuel. One more day and they'd have done it, but it was taking too long and Germany wanted nations to be terrified of them. Take too long to conquer a country and the next one won't be as frightened.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 01:35 AM (r4wIV)
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The other problem with his strategy was that he literally gave Soviet
citizens no choice. Surrender really did mean death and slavery.
The first batch of German troops were actually greeted as liberators initially. Not capitalizing on that sentiment, and acting like brutal conquerors was Hitler's biggest mistake. The Soviet Union's populace had no particular love for Stalin or the communists until they were confronted with something even worse.
citizens no choice. Surrender really did mean death and slavery.
The first batch of German troops were actually greeted as liberators initially. Not capitalizing on that sentiment, and acting like brutal conquerors was Hitler's biggest mistake. The Soviet Union's populace had no particular love for Stalin or the communists until they were confronted with something even worse.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:36 AM (LX9yA)
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What of the possibility that the higher traffic fatalities are related to fewer airline trips?
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (AUeaU)
I'm betting it's because cars on the road are becoming older and having more major mechanical problems that are leading to wrecks.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (1grxW)
--I think price plays a big role. Compare flying Southwest for a family from, say, BWI to Manchester or Nashville or Chicago versus driving. When times are tough and you still want to vacation on a budget costs multiply quickly in a family.
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I'd guess more people drunk driving because they are enjoying long term funployment courtesy of the president.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 12:29 AM (AUeaU)
I'm betting it's because cars on the road are becoming older and having more major mechanical problems that are leading to wrecks.
Posted by: MrCaniac at July 29, 2012 01:30 AM (1grxW)
--I think price plays a big role. Compare flying Southwest for a family from, say, BWI to Manchester or Nashville or Chicago versus driving. When times are tough and you still want to vacation on a budget costs multiply quickly in a family.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 01:36 AM (imVgX)
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Watching "Valkyrie" now, Cruise isn't bad so far.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:22 AM (2d71t)
It wasn't my cup of tea. I saw it at the dollar ghetto theater so I didn't hate it, but I just didn't think it was much.
Personally I think it should have been a much more character oriented movie. Instead of telling the story of the attempted coup they should have told the stories of the men behind it. The coup should have been the subplot because to me it just didn't make for that exciting a story and ends in an anticlimactic fashion.
Cruise wasn't bad but there's a little scene where he glances down a hallway at another conspirator with what was supposed to be his glass eye that had me facepalming hardcore.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 29, 2012 12:22 AM (2d71t)
It wasn't my cup of tea. I saw it at the dollar ghetto theater so I didn't hate it, but I just didn't think it was much.
Personally I think it should have been a much more character oriented movie. Instead of telling the story of the attempted coup they should have told the stories of the men behind it. The coup should have been the subplot because to me it just didn't make for that exciting a story and ends in an anticlimactic fashion.
Cruise wasn't bad but there's a little scene where he glances down a hallway at another conspirator with what was supposed to be his glass eye that had me facepalming hardcore.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)
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>>>>I don't buy that. I think Goering assured Hitler that he stuck a fork in the RAF because they were done, and London was intentionally targeted to terrorize the British into suing for peace
Another great "what if" moment. For some reason the Germans almost completely ignored England's radar antennas. They were the thin line between victory and defeat in the Battle of Britain. If the Luftwaffe had focused on knocking them out, Britain's margin of victory would probably have been erased.
Another great "what if" moment. For some reason the Germans almost completely ignored England's radar antennas. They were the thin line between victory and defeat in the Battle of Britain. If the Luftwaffe had focused on knocking them out, Britain's margin of victory would probably have been erased.
Posted by: Cicero at July 29, 2012 01:38 AM (zMouK)
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Reading a little more about the opening phases of WWII it is amazing how brutal the Soviets were to their own troops - executing most of the original commanders in the Polish theater shortly after their initial defeat.
Stalin is lucky that he killed his way to Zhukov...
Stalin is lucky that he killed his way to Zhukov...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM (AUeaU)
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''Where Eagles Dare is a better book, and its a pretty great movie''
and a great Iron maiden tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvyK1im1iOo
''Where Eagles Dare is a better book, and its a pretty great movie''
and a great Iron maiden tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvyK1im1iOo
Posted by: Berserker at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM (FMbng)
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and a great Iron maiden tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvyK1im1iOo
Posted by: Berserker at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM (FMbng)
\m/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvyK1im1iOo
Posted by: Berserker at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM (FMbng)
\m/
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 01:40 AM (4ixH5)
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I have never seen the games politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with our enemies.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (MtwBb)
Me neither. This is DREADFUL. Wow. My wife is insisting we watch the rest.
The opening ceremonies were staged by our enemies: British Socialists.
Posted by: robtr at July 29, 2012 01:29 AM (MtwBb)
Me neither. This is DREADFUL. Wow. My wife is insisting we watch the rest.
The opening ceremonies were staged by our enemies: British Socialists.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 01:41 AM (0hpYU)
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He had a perfect weapon to use against our bombers.
But not many experienced pilots to fly them. The small handful that did have good pilots were quite effective. The 262 would have been a horrible bomber since it lacked range. It was a point defense interceptor.
But not many experienced pilots to fly them. The small handful that did have good pilots were quite effective. The 262 would have been a horrible bomber since it lacked range. It was a point defense interceptor.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:41 AM (LX9yA)
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Had the Germans taken Moscow in November 1941, there's good reason to believe thatStalin would've been overthrown. What the replacement government would have done is speculative; perhaps they would've negotiated, perhaps they would've fought on, but with vastly less authority, and thus ability to command people, resources and action.
The 700,000 troops in Kiev were not particularly mobile or particularly effective at this time of the war. Cutting them off was a victory, and secured a flank, but a Soviet withdrawl seems more likely than an attack. Mobile forces could have secured the flank for a few weeks. It's a gamble, but it turns out that not having taken it meant that a chance to defeat Stalin passed.
The 700,000 troops in Kiev were not particularly mobile or particularly effective at this time of the war. Cutting them off was a victory, and secured a flank, but a Soviet withdrawl seems more likely than an attack. Mobile forces could have secured the flank for a few weeks. It's a gamble, but it turns out that not having taken it meant that a chance to defeat Stalin passed.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 29, 2012 01:41 AM (duVjn)
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They're nearly done. One saving grace.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 01:42 AM (0hpYU)
395
WWII it is amazing how brutal the Soviets were to their own troops
Zhukov was asked about his philosophy about how to handle the German mine fields. He said he ignored them as if they didn't exist and simply advanced through them without stopping to clear the mines.
His theory was the losses you take from the mines would be roughly equivalent to the losses you'd take remaining a stationary target for German bombers and fighters while mines were cleared, with the additional penalty of having your advance not cover as much ground.
Zhukov was asked about his philosophy about how to handle the German mine fields. He said he ignored them as if they didn't exist and simply advanced through them without stopping to clear the mines.
His theory was the losses you take from the mines would be roughly equivalent to the losses you'd take remaining a stationary target for German bombers and fighters while mines were cleared, with the additional penalty of having your advance not cover as much ground.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:45 AM (LX9yA)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 01:47 AM (d/5qf)
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Mobile forces could have secured the flank for a few weeks.
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But the Germans would have had fewer troops to use preciously because they would have to cover this flank.
And the Soviet troops that tried to break the encirclement from the outside would have been fresh to use in Moscow and the troops that successfully defended Moscow in real history would have been their anyway.
The Germans could not have taken Moscow in '41 if they left the Kiev pocket alone.
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But the Germans would have had fewer troops to use preciously because they would have to cover this flank.
And the Soviet troops that tried to break the encirclement from the outside would have been fresh to use in Moscow and the troops that successfully defended Moscow in real history would have been their anyway.
The Germans could not have taken Moscow in '41 if they left the Kiev pocket alone.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:48 AM (AUeaU)
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Since the Brits, Obama and NBC decided to politicize the games over Romney just repeating what he saw in the press I am not even watching them or give a fuck who wins what. I have never seen the games politicized like this since the cold war. At least then it was done with our enemies.
Can't say I would have watched them much anyway. Am I interested in many of these sports outside the Olympics? Not really. Am I going to be interested in it just because you put in this setting? Still no. After the U.S. vs. Soviet rivalry disappeared and the games started occurring every two years, it became much more difficult to care.
Basically (to get me watching and rooting for this), you're left with the U.S. vs. "everybody else" rivalry--now, I can certainly enjoy that, but even I have my limits and, for me to get into it, you have to comfortable with engaging in blatant unrepentant nationalism, which is something the IOC and everybody involved with it doesn't seem to like very much.
Can't say I would have watched them much anyway. Am I interested in many of these sports outside the Olympics? Not really. Am I going to be interested in it just because you put in this setting? Still no. After the U.S. vs. Soviet rivalry disappeared and the games started occurring every two years, it became much more difficult to care.
Basically (to get me watching and rooting for this), you're left with the U.S. vs. "everybody else" rivalry--now, I can certainly enjoy that, but even I have my limits and, for me to get into it, you have to comfortable with engaging in blatant unrepentant nationalism, which is something the IOC and everybody involved with it doesn't seem to like very much.
Posted by: AD at July 29, 2012 01:49 AM (6+ysO)
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but a Soviet withdrawl seems more likely than an attack.
Withdrawal had been standard Russian tactic for hundreds of years. The invaders supply lines lengthen, your shorten, and there's a LOT of space to withdraw into while waiting for the Russian winter to seal the invader's fate.
I wrote a paper on this for a HS history class. The teacher thought I swiped it from somebody selling college term papers and couldn't believe a HS student had such a grasp of history and military strategy.
Withdrawal had been standard Russian tactic for hundreds of years. The invaders supply lines lengthen, your shorten, and there's a LOT of space to withdraw into while waiting for the Russian winter to seal the invader's fate.
I wrote a paper on this for a HS history class. The teacher thought I swiped it from somebody selling college term papers and couldn't believe a HS student had such a grasp of history and military strategy.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:50 AM (LX9yA)
400
There are some "wars" that you MUST keep fighting whether you're losing or not. I think if you had children you'd know that.
Posted by: DAve at July 29, 2012 01:51 AM (+G0l2)
401
Hey Kids.
reading all the bitching about the Oly's is making me even happier I ditched the TV. Starting to get used to it now. Not so bad. real quiet tho.
reading all the bitching about the Oly's is making me even happier I ditched the TV. Starting to get used to it now. Not so bad. real quiet tho.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 01:52 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 01:52 AM (4ixH5)
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I gave in and turned on the TV, tuned to NBC. They haven't changed so I gave up.
The Olympics used to be awesome when you could watch them. I mean no disrespect to Ryan Seacrest for his statistical analysis of worldwide tweets.
The Olympics used to be awesome when you could watch them. I mean no disrespect to Ryan Seacrest for his statistical analysis of worldwide tweets.
Posted by: t-bird at July 29, 2012 01:54 AM (FcR7P)
404
388
Reading a little more about the opening phases of WWII it is amazing how
brutal the Soviets were to their own troops - executing most of the
original commanders in the Polish theater shortly after their initial
defeat.
Stalin is lucky that he killed his way to Zhukov...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM
The Red Army had gunners stationed so much to shoot at the Germans, but to shoot any Russians who thought of retreating or running in any direction where the Germans weren't
Reading a little more about the opening phases of WWII it is amazing how
brutal the Soviets were to their own troops - executing most of the
original commanders in the Polish theater shortly after their initial
defeat.
Stalin is lucky that he killed his way to Zhukov...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2012 01:39 AM
The Red Army had gunners stationed so much to shoot at the Germans, but to shoot any Russians who thought of retreating or running in any direction where the Germans weren't
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:54 AM (Y7XKa)
405
I haven't tuned in a network TV channel since the last hurricane and I was looking for a weather report. I have a small TV, but I just play DVD's and VHS's on it. I listen to a radio occasionally.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:55 AM (LX9yA)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:56 AM (Y7XKa)
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303 Any alternative fiction books out that take the timeline from "if Hitler died"?
Try 'Making History" by Stephen Fry
393
Had the Germans taken Moscow in November 1941, there's good reason to
believe thatStalin would've been overthrown. What the replacement
government would have done is speculative; perhaps they would've
negotiated, perhaps they would've fought on, but with vastly less
authority, and thus ability to command people, resources and action.
Even if Stalin does hang on, I believe he just about HAS to sue for peace at that point- if only to make time to industralize beyond the Urals in order to build the army with witch to strike back in a few years.
303 Any alternative fiction books out that take the timeline from "if Hitler died"?
Try 'Making History" by Stephen Fry
393
Had the Germans taken Moscow in November 1941, there's good reason to
believe thatStalin would've been overthrown. What the replacement
government would have done is speculative; perhaps they would've
negotiated, perhaps they would've fought on, but with vastly less
authority, and thus ability to command people, resources and action.
Even if Stalin does hang on, I believe he just about HAS to sue for peace at that point- if only to make time to industralize beyond the Urals in order to build the army with witch to strike back in a few years.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 29, 2012 01:57 AM (niboB)
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406 Want to know why the Germans didn't take Moscow?
Crossbows!
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:56 AM (Y7XKa)
--With the Pinch upgrade, no doubt.
Crossbows!
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 01:56 AM (Y7XKa)
--With the Pinch upgrade, no doubt.
Posted by: logprof, Civ IV freak at July 29, 2012 01:57 AM (imVgX)
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The Red Army had gunners stationed so...
Those weren't Red Army per se, rather the commissars and special NKVD political troops that were attached to army units. They were there to keep both conscripts and officer corps "thinking properly"
Those weren't Red Army per se, rather the commissars and special NKVD political troops that were attached to army units. They were there to keep both conscripts and officer corps "thinking properly"
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 01:58 AM (LX9yA)
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Stalin is lucky that he killed his way to Zhukov...
I guess if you're going to go that route, it's best not to half-ass it, but one point worth making whenever Russians start discussing all of the casualties they suffered (and claiming Americans had it easy) is that maybe they would have done a little better if Stalin hadn't spent the thirties shooting all of his officers.
I guess if you're going to go that route, it's best not to half-ass it, but one point worth making whenever Russians start discussing all of the casualties they suffered (and claiming Americans had it easy) is that maybe they would have done a little better if Stalin hadn't spent the thirties shooting all of his officers.
Posted by: AD at July 29, 2012 01:59 AM (6+ysO)
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Up The Irons!
Posted by: garrett at July 29, 2012 02:01 AM (l0vlb)
412
They were playing Tubular Bells with a bunch of kids in hospital beds. Why weren't they puking pea soup and yelling "lick me lick me lick me" with their heads turned around the wrong way?
Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at July 29, 2012 02:02 AM (DC1tz)
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Clearly, ignoring Kiev would've been a giant risk, and Guderian might have failed anyway.
But Guderian seems to have felt that he could have taken Moscow had the diversion to Kiev not happened. While the Soviets would've had many troops at Moscow, they would've had 4 weeks' less troops, tanks and perparation ... and 4 more weeks to fight the Germans before the mud and snow set in.
Even with the historical OB, the Battle of Moscow was a near-run thing for the Soviets.
But Guderian seems to have felt that he could have taken Moscow had the diversion to Kiev not happened. While the Soviets would've had many troops at Moscow, they would've had 4 weeks' less troops, tanks and perparation ... and 4 more weeks to fight the Germans before the mud and snow set in.
Even with the historical OB, the Battle of Moscow was a near-run thing for the Soviets.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 29, 2012 02:03 AM (duVjn)
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Of course, Stalin did that, because of an Abwehr trick, directed at those officer, which the Germans had trained with in the interim period, thankfully, the figure in charge of Russian policy was Alfred Rosenberg, who hated slavs with a passion,
Posted by: archie goodwin at July 29, 2012 02:04 AM (ctjsq)
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There's really only two ways a dictator can keep the military officer corps in line and not plotting against them. Terrorize them like Stalin did, or treat them well with lots of perks and tolerate corruption and ineptness, like the Egyptians do.
Both methods result in an inferior officer corps if you ever have to go to war.
Both methods result in an inferior officer corps if you ever have to go to war.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:04 AM (LX9yA)
416
Boy, that HOSTS file trick I posted in the previous thread really has the page reloads cranking at awesome speed...
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:07 AM (LX9yA)
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 02:08 AM (tw6Ar)
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...like a Viking.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:10 AM (LX9yA)
419
405
I haven't tuned in a network TV channel since the last hurricane and I
was looking for a weather report. I have a small TV, but I just play
DVD's and VHS's on it. I listen to a radio occasionally.
Posted by: @PurpAv
**************
It's obvious you have internet access, so you're supposed isolation is pure bullshit.
But don't come here pretending you know what the fuck is going on.
I haven't tuned in a network TV channel since the last hurricane and I
was looking for a weather report. I have a small TV, but I just play
DVD's and VHS's on it. I listen to a radio occasionally.
Posted by: @PurpAv
**************
It's obvious you have internet access, so you're supposed isolation is pure bullshit.
But don't come here pretending you know what the fuck is going on.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 29, 2012 02:10 AM (FNV+6)
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... and, FWIW, replace the historical Red Army with a Czarist one (assume the Bolsheviks lost, or maybe the Purges did not happen) and things look real tough for the Germans: the Russian Officer Corps is still quite competent, trainingandcommunications are better (no Political Officers, for a start), the Stalin Mistake of everything deployed forward is not made, PerhapsTukhachevsky's Deep Battle theory is used ... a very different result looks very likely.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 29, 2012 02:11 AM (duVjn)
421
Worst Olympic opening of all time. I mean the WORST.
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:12 AM (UFxap)
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:13 AM (UFxap)
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You can't discount the incredible courage and fighting spirit of the Russian people, either. Yeah they were largely forced into it, but they were defending their home too, and they fought like hell. Hitler's armies paid a horrific price for trying to invade Russia.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 02:14 AM (r4wIV)
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I haven't been glued to the Olympics on TV today, so it wasn't until tonight that I saw an American get a gold (Lochte, swimming medley). And I would like to state that the rendition of the "Star-Spangled Banner" that was played is very, VERY good. That's got to be the London Symphony who recorded it - I'm sure they did all the anthems - but whoever scored this arrangement deserves a gold. Sometimes they are badly done and way too fast (looking at you, former USSR), but I will not mind listening to this as many times as our athletes can arrange it. You may not be able to pull of sane opening ceremonies, Britain, but your classical musicians kick. ass.
Posted by: dwagyak at July 29, 2012 02:14 AM (h2J/v)
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:15 AM (imVgX)
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...like a Viking.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:10 AM (LX9yA)
for the photoshop crowdhttp://tinyurl.com/c6nxek6
...like a Viking.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:10 AM (LX9yA)
for the photoshop crowdhttp://tinyurl.com/c6nxek6
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 02:19 AM (tw6Ar)
427
Boy, that HOSTS file trick I posted in the previous thread really has the page reloads cranking at awesome speed...
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:07 AM (LX9yA)
I want to thank Primordial Ordered Pair and any other morons who recommended blocking programs. It actually worked for me, and I'm a complete computertard.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:07 AM (LX9yA)
I want to thank Primordial Ordered Pair and any other morons who recommended blocking programs. It actually worked for me, and I'm a complete computertard.
Posted by: cm9000 at July 29, 2012 02:20 AM (lzvtR)
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422
Jim Sonweed
ditto
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:13 AM (UF x ap)
Jim, Pat, whoever you are flaming longtimer Purple Avenger ..FUCK YOU TOO !!!
Jim Sonweed
ditto
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:13 AM (UF
Jim, Pat, whoever you are flaming longtimer Purple Avenger ..FUCK YOU TOO !!!
Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at July 29, 2012 02:21 AM (Y7XKa)
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The war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was a fight between two totalitarian systems. Both of them regarded individuals as expendable. It's unsurprising that there was such horrific carnage on both sides, as well as among the civilian population.
The Ukrainians had suffered so much under the Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
The Ukrainians had suffered so much under the Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM (sdi6R)
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Evening roonz and roonettez. I've been in the car so much the past 3 days my ass has the stitch pattern of the seats embossed in it now. Back to work tomorrow night, I need the rest.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM (yh0zB)
431
421 Worst Olympic opening of all time. I mean the WORST.
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:12 AM (UFxap)
Agreed. I can't think of one that came close to this lameness.
Posted by: pat at July 29, 2012 02:12 AM (UFxap)
Agreed. I can't think of one that came close to this lameness.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 02:27 AM (0hpYU)
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The Ukrainians had suffered so much under the
Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they
were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM
We can do that
Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they
were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM
We can do that
Posted by: 5 Million Ukranians starved by Stalin at July 29, 2012 02:29 AM (Y7XKa)
433
GGE, where ya been drivin to
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 02:32 AM (d/5qf)
434
so you're supposed isolation is pure bullshit.
Cite where I ever used language to that effect. Please be specific. Not watching network TV is hardly a sign of isolation. I simply prefer to get information from higher density less biased sources.
Oh, BTW, you're a jackass.
Cite where I ever used language to that effect. Please be specific. Not watching network TV is hardly a sign of isolation. I simply prefer to get information from higher density less biased sources.
Oh, BTW, you're a jackass.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:32 AM (LX9yA)
435
Agreed. I can't think of one that came close to this lameness.
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 02:27 AM (0hpYU)
the last Olympics and the one before that and then the one before that etc etc. All Olympic Opening Ceremonies suck
Posted by: theCork at July 29, 2012 02:27 AM (0hpYU)
the last Olympics and the one before that and then the one before that etc etc. All Olympic Opening Ceremonies suck
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 02:34 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:35 AM (QTHTd)
437
This Opening Ceremonies was so clownish I half expected Janet Jackson to come onstage and have a wardrobe malfunction
Posted by: kbdabear at July 29, 2012 02:36 AM (Y7XKa)
438
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:32 AM (LX9yA)
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yeah, but you did get a harrumph outa that guy
http://tinyurl.com/5w6o3a
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yeah, but you did get a harrumph outa that guy
http://tinyurl.com/5w6o3a
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 02:37 AM (ufJKx)
439
I'm going to go there...even the Nazis did a classier job on the opening ceremonies with more decorum.
http://tinyurl.com/cnu6532
http://tinyurl.com/cnu6532
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:40 AM (LX9yA)
440
Who should get the gold, and who the silver?
The sport: Lunacy!
The competitors:
1) The Organizers, for celebrating a government agency as a key part of national culture, and fordemonizing the Industrial Revolution, which makes their cushy lives possible.
2) The Media and the Mayor, for being incredulous at the idea of such thingsbeing called "left-wing" by Americans. (Really, dudes? You honored a GOVERNMENT AGENCY, for cryin' out loud!)
The sport: Lunacy!
The competitors:
1) The Organizers, for celebrating a government agency as a key part of national culture, and fordemonizing the Industrial Revolution, which makes their cushy lives possible.
2) The Media and the Mayor, for being incredulous at the idea of such thingsbeing called "left-wing" by Americans. (Really, dudes? You honored a GOVERNMENT AGENCY, for cryin' out loud!)
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:41 AM (As94z)
441
Well the Nazis always did have style. Evil style, but style. That's why I always hate when the bad guys in movies are shown as living horrible ugly dumps. Man, evil always is seductive and almost always has a horrible beauty to it. Evil people do so to live well without the hard work, they'll have BEAUTIFUL lairs, not awful looking ones.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 02:41 AM (r4wIV)
442
The Ukrainians had suffered so much under the
Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they
were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM (sdi6R)
Its a cliche to say that Slavs saw the Nazis as liberators. It ignores the fact that that they were always being killed by them.
Soviets that they regarded the Nazis as liberators, at first, but they
were soon disabused of that idea.
Try to wrap your mind around that: The Nazis as liberators.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:25 AM (sdi6R)
Its a cliche to say that Slavs saw the Nazis as liberators. It ignores the fact that that they were always being killed by them.
Posted by: cm9000 at July 29, 2012 02:42 AM (lzvtR)
443
I half expected Janet Jackson to come onstage and have a wardrobe malfunction
Even Helen Thomas having a wardrobe malfunction would be a classiness upgrade...albeit a very tiny one.
Even Helen Thomas having a wardrobe malfunction would be a classiness upgrade...albeit a very tiny one.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:42 AM (LX9yA)
444
I believe Zhukov was around because he had been in the Far East (and, I think, done something of note in the dust-up with the Japs in Manchuria) - and thus away from the killing fields of the purges. All I know is I sat in his chair on Stalin's special command railroad car, which sits at the Stalin museum and birthplace in Gori, Georgia (or at least did in the early 90s). (Also found a very cool pre-purge painting of Stalin and Ordzhonokidze at Stalin's dacha in Borjomi - the Georgians rented it out for conferences and one day I was able to just wander around inside .... amazing).
Wasn't that British raid on Berlin the one that shortly followed the dinner party where Goering boasted "Wenn nur eine Bombe in Berlin fallt,konnenSie mir Meyer heissen"?
Gotta immerse myself in the eastern front one of these days - I'm a bit shaky there, despite years of Russian, a fair amount of time in the Soviet Union and post-USSR, and having been to most of the key sites near Leningrad.
I believe Zhukov was around because he had been in the Far East (and, I think, done something of note in the dust-up with the Japs in Manchuria) - and thus away from the killing fields of the purges. All I know is I sat in his chair on Stalin's special command railroad car, which sits at the Stalin museum and birthplace in Gori, Georgia (or at least did in the early 90s). (Also found a very cool pre-purge painting of Stalin and Ordzhonokidze at Stalin's dacha in Borjomi - the Georgians rented it out for conferences and one day I was able to just wander around inside .... amazing).
Wasn't that British raid on Berlin the one that shortly followed the dinner party where Goering boasted "Wenn nur eine Bombe in Berlin fallt,konnenSie mir Meyer heissen"?
Gotta immerse myself in the eastern front one of these days - I'm a bit shaky there, despite years of Russian, a fair amount of time in the Soviet Union and post-USSR, and having been to most of the key sites near Leningrad.
Posted by: non-purist at July 29, 2012 02:47 AM (yJ3Du)
445
The Sausage Fest sign was lit, so I thought I'd stop on by and say hiya.
TV? I don't need or watch any stinkin' TV. Cut off my internets however, and watch me go into information withdrawal.
TV? I don't need or watch any stinkin' TV. Cut off my internets however, and watch me go into information withdrawal.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 29, 2012 02:48 AM (cHZB7)
446
Someone explain to me why a Greek Olympian gets thrown off her team for the thought crimes of mocking immigrants and supporting a far-right party, but these assholes aren't thrown out completely?
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)
447
I lost interest in the Olympics sometime in the 90s. I don't remember exactly when it was, but I noticed that the TV coverage focused exclusively on the American athletes and their life stories. Sports where Americans weren't heavily involved or doing well were ignored.
I'm as patriotic as the next guy, I was watching on an American TV network, and of course I want to see Americans win, but aren't there any athletes anywhere else in the world who have led interesting lives? So what if a particular event doesn't have Americans in it? Maybe some of us would like to see it anyway.
It just seemed, well, unseemly, and over the top.
Anyway, I pretty much quit watching TV after the 2008 election. About the only things I watch nowadays are occasional baseball and football games. This year the Phillies suck and I'm not much of a football fan anyway.
I'm as patriotic as the next guy, I was watching on an American TV network, and of course I want to see Americans win, but aren't there any athletes anywhere else in the world who have led interesting lives? So what if a particular event doesn't have Americans in it? Maybe some of us would like to see it anyway.
It just seemed, well, unseemly, and over the top.
Anyway, I pretty much quit watching TV after the 2008 election. About the only things I watch nowadays are occasional baseball and football games. This year the Phillies suck and I'm not much of a football fan anyway.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (sdi6R)
448
heh, Guild War fanboys getting pissy at people wanting horses in GW2
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 02:50 AM (tw6Ar)
449
Think of the level of narcissism it must take to invite the whole world to your town, and then put on a show that will only "make sense" to the people who live there. Even if the show didn't have the perverse commie messaging, it's the work of an unbelievably rude asshole! But then, commie messaging and rude assholes are familiar fellow travelers.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:53 AM (As94z)
450
446
Someone explain to me why a Greek Olympian gets thrown off her team for
the thought crimes of mocking immigrants and supporting a far-right
party, but these assholes aren't thrown out completely?
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)
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Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
it also has something to do with 5 farthings for a lump of shit.
Someone explain to me why a Greek Olympian gets thrown off her team for
the thought crimes of mocking immigrants and supporting a far-right
party, but these assholes aren't thrown out completely?
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)
====
Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
it also has something to do with 5 farthings for a lump of shit.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 02:56 AM (ufJKx)
451
'90s flashback:
Mudhoney, "Here Comes Sickness" (the unofficial Kathy Griffin theme song)
http://youtu.be/fojiBrnenlU
Mudhoney, "Here Comes Sickness" (the unofficial Kathy Griffin theme song)
http://youtu.be/fojiBrnenlU
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 02:57 AM (imVgX)
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:57 AM (LX9yA)
453
Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 02:56 AM (ufJKx)
Whoa, whoa, lemme write this all down.
*Scribbling* Fuck...face...cyooooobed...
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 02:56 AM (ufJKx)
Whoa, whoa, lemme write this all down.
*Scribbling* Fuck...face...cyooooobed...
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:58 AM (4ixH5)
454
Buckethead : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agoOkwo6anw
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:58 AM (QTHTd)
455
Anyway, I pretty much quit watching TV after the 2008 election. About the only things I watch nowadays are occasional baseball and football games. This year the Phillies suck and I'm not much of a football fan anyway.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (sdi6R)
______________________________________________
Well, the Phillies did manage to sweep my team, my beloved Brewers and their wretched, crappy bullpen. I'm still baffled by Roenicke's decision to pull Grienke after he had thrown something like 87 pitches and was on a great roll (and in the Brewers uniform for the last time) and bring in our fuckups - who, predictably, lost the game. If the entire Brewers bullpen and closers end up floating in the Milwaukee river, the first ones to question will be the Brew Crew's starting pitchers, who have mostly done good jobs this year but have been robbed of wins by the jokers in the bullpen.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (sdi6R)
______________________________________________
Well, the Phillies did manage to sweep my team, my beloved Brewers and their wretched, crappy bullpen. I'm still baffled by Roenicke's decision to pull Grienke after he had thrown something like 87 pitches and was on a great roll (and in the Brewers uniform for the last time) and bring in our fuckups - who, predictably, lost the game. If the entire Brewers bullpen and closers end up floating in the Milwaukee river, the first ones to question will be the Brew Crew's starting pitchers, who have mostly done good jobs this year but have been robbed of wins by the jokers in the bullpen.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 02:59 AM (EflcN)
456
I pretty much quit watching TV after the 2008 election.
Seclusionist!!!!
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:57 AM (LX9yA)
I prefer fuckedofftoacabininthewoods-ist.
I know, I know...PC, right?
Seclusionist!!!!
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 02:57 AM (LX9yA)
I prefer fuckedofftoacabininthewoods-ist.
I know, I know...PC, right?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:59 AM (4ixH5)
457
441 Well the Nazis always did have style. Evil style, but style.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 02:41 AM (r4wIV)
Damn straight!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 29, 2012 02:41 AM (r4wIV)
Damn straight!
Posted by: Lemmy at July 29, 2012 03:00 AM (imVgX)
458
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:58 AM (QTHTd)
He's a man what plays with a KFC bucket. ON HIS HEAD!
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 29, 2012 02:58 AM (QTHTd)
He's a man what plays with a KFC bucket. ON HIS HEAD!
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:00 AM (4ixH5)
459
Mudhoney
They are playing here with Pearl Jam for a John Tester benefit...no chance I am going to that.
Mudhoney
They are playing here with Pearl Jam for a John Tester benefit...no chance I am going to that.
Posted by: garrett at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (l0vlb)
460
Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
Forget all that and apply Thevenin's Theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9venin%27s_theorem
The simplified result == asshat
Forget all that and apply Thevenin's Theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9venin%27s_theorem
The simplified result == asshat
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (LX9yA)
461
TV? I don't need or watch any stinkin' TV. Cut off my internets however, and watch me go into information withdrawal.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 29, 2012 02:48 AM (cHZB7)
--Yep. TV is mostly for sports (80% the NFL, 10% NHL) around here.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 29, 2012 02:48 AM (cHZB7)
--Yep. TV is mostly for sports (80% the NFL, 10% NHL) around here.
Posted by: Lemmy at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (imVgX)
462
--Yep. TV is mostly for sports (80% the NFL, 10% NHL) around here.
Posted by: Lemmy at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (imVgX)
I can't help but wonder what that last 10% consists of.
Posted by: Lemmy at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (imVgX)
I can't help but wonder what that last 10% consists of.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
463
/Motorhead sock
446 Someone explain to me why a Greek Olympian gets thrown off her team for the thought crimes of mocking immigrants and supporting a far-right party, but these assholes aren't thrown out completely?
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)
--Remember when Lebanon was, if not completely philo-Semitic, at least mostly Christian and not Koranimal?
446 Someone explain to me why a Greek Olympian gets thrown off her team for the thought crimes of mocking immigrants and supporting a far-right party, but these assholes aren't thrown out completely?
http://tinyurl.com/cv3hm7l
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 02:49 AM (4ixH5)
--Remember when Lebanon was, if not completely philo-Semitic, at least mostly Christian and not Koranimal?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
464
I like listening to sports on the radio rather than watching it on TV. Radio announcers are dramatically better at filling what would otherwise be dead air with interesting banter, factoids, and better descriptions. The TV announcers get lazy and assume you're actually watching the TV and leave a lot of detail out.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (LX9yA)
465
455
Well, the Phillies did manage to sweep my team, my beloved Brewers and their wretched, crappy bullpen.
Then the Phils went on to drop two straight to the Braves in a series they pretty much needed to sweep in order to have any chance at the wild card spot.
Well, the Phillies did manage to sweep my team, my beloved Brewers and their wretched, crappy bullpen.
Then the Phils went on to drop two straight to the Braves in a series they pretty much needed to sweep in order to have any chance at the wild card spot.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (sdi6R)
466
Navy Green Fleet:
Some years ago I heard that the Air Force was developing a coal-to-jet fuel conversion capacity. That made sense, because we have shitloads of coal, and we would need to keep the jets going if a war broke out that cut off our oil imports.
Interestingly, the conversion process was invented by the Nazis before WW2. They had a pretty good idea that their oil supply would be compromised in the years to come. The process only became economical fairly recently. You need oil to be at least about $50/bbl.
But "green fuel"? That's just embarrasing.
Some years ago I heard that the Air Force was developing a coal-to-jet fuel conversion capacity. That made sense, because we have shitloads of coal, and we would need to keep the jets going if a war broke out that cut off our oil imports.
Interestingly, the conversion process was invented by the Nazis before WW2. They had a pretty good idea that their oil supply would be compromised in the years to come. The process only became economical fairly recently. You need oil to be at least about $50/bbl.
But "green fuel"? That's just embarrasing.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (As94z)
467
460
Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
Forget all that and apply Thevenin's Theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9venin%27s_theorem
The simplified result == asshat
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (LX9yA)
====
the saladtosser term makes it nonlinear.
Ln [2 * fuckface^3 / (dweeb * saladtosser) ^ 0.5] + 6
Forget all that and apply Thevenin's Theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9venin%27s_theorem
The simplified result == asshat
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (LX9yA)
====
the saladtosser term makes it nonlinear.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (ufJKx)
468
449 Think of the level of narcissism it must take to invite the whole world to your town, and then put on a show that will only "make sense" to the people who live there. Even if the show didn't have the perverse commie messaging, it's the work of an unbelievably rude asshole! But then, commie messaging and rude assholes are familiar fellow travelers.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:53 AM (As94z)
--Seriously. Those assclowns have me defending the Chinese and Russians.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:53 AM (As94z)
--Seriously. Those assclowns have me defending the Chinese and Russians.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:07 AM (imVgX)
469
--Remember when Lebanon was, if not completely philo-Semitic, at least mostly Christian and not Koranimal?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Uh, might have been before my time. It was before the civil war there, right?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Uh, might have been before my time. It was before the civil war there, right?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)
470
Wow, just got through scanning comments. The only thing I know about WW2 is we won, they lost, I got a cool Commie rifle out of the deal.
GGE, where ya been drivin to
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 02:32 AM (d/5qf)
Thursday: Raleigh to Jacksonville FL, 500 miles. Friday, Jacksonville FL back to Raleigh, 500 miles. Saturday, Raleigh to Roanoke VA and back.
GGE, where ya been drivin to
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 02:32 AM (d/5qf)
Thursday: Raleigh to Jacksonville FL, 500 miles. Friday, Jacksonville FL back to Raleigh, 500 miles. Saturday, Raleigh to Roanoke VA and back.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:09 AM (yh0zB)
471
Mudhoney
They are playing here with Pearl Jam for a John Tester benefit...no chance I am going to that.
Posted by: garrett at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (l0vlb)
--Yeah, I just by default assume Seattle bands are libtard after Pearl Jam in the '90s.
One great thing about he '90s was that I was still politically naive.
They are playing here with Pearl Jam for a John Tester benefit...no chance I am going to that.
Posted by: garrett at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (l0vlb)
--Yeah, I just by default assume Seattle bands are libtard after Pearl Jam in the '90s.
One great thing about he '90s was that I was still politically naive.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:10 AM (imVgX)
472
I used to read the dead-tree edition of the local birdcage liner every morning. Cut it after 2008. The dumbass editors never met a tax they didn't like and rah-rah'd every stupid statist idea their brain-damaged political buddies muttered. Used to raise my blood pressure. Then I said, "why am I paying to read Blondie and be insulted, too?"
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (kaalw)
473
462 --Yep. TV is mostly for sports (80% the NFL, 10% NHL) around here.
Posted by:Lemmy logprof at July 29, 2012 03:02 AM (imVgX)
I can't help but wonder what that last 10% consists of.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
--This and that. NBA Playoffs if there's an intriguing team. College football.
Posted by:
I can't help but wonder what that last 10% consists of.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
--This and that. NBA Playoffs if there's an intriguing team. College football.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (imVgX)
474
Interestingly, the conversion process was invented by the Nazis before WW2.
The Germans were very big on organic chemistry long before other people. For a number of years, all the breakthrough papers and research were only available in the original German.
There's a very interesting process (LPMEOH) that takes coal directly to roadable (95% dry) methanol, and it can be done very very cheaply (cheaper than refining gasoline). Using LPMEOH methanol and reworking fuel system components to handle it would make a LOT more sense than this ethanol shit...but we're fucking retards.
The Germans were very big on organic chemistry long before other people. For a number of years, all the breakthrough papers and research were only available in the original German.
There's a very interesting process (LPMEOH) that takes coal directly to roadable (95% dry) methanol, and it can be done very very cheaply (cheaper than refining gasoline). Using LPMEOH methanol and reworking fuel system components to handle it would make a LOT more sense than this ethanol shit...but we're fucking retards.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (LX9yA)
475
And WTF is Washington doing in first place in the NL East?
I can just see it now. Washington goes to the World Series, and every politico and apparatchik in the city gets to elbow the real fans out of the way so they can be seen attending the games on national TV.
I can just see it now. Washington goes to the World Series, and every politico and apparatchik in the city gets to elbow the real fans out of the way so they can be seen attending the games on national TV.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (sdi6R)
476
I can't help but wonder what that last 10% consists of.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
Can't imagine...
http://tinyurl.com/n66day (nsf...ah hell, haven't you figured this out already?)
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
Can't imagine...
http://tinyurl.com/n66day (nsf...ah hell, haven't you figured this out already?)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (yh0zB)
477
Then the Phils went on to drop two straight to the Braves in a series they pretty much needed to sweep in order to have any chance at the wild card spot.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (sdi6R)
__________________________________________
And just a year ago at this time, the Phillies were the NL East badasses.And the Brewers were shining. Crap. What a differencea year makes. I love baseball, but itbreaks my heart.
Posted by: rickl at July 29, 2012 03:06 AM (sdi6R)
__________________________________________
And just a year ago at this time, the Phillies were the NL East badasses.And the Brewers were shining. Crap. What a differencea year makes. I love baseball, but itbreaks my heart.
Posted by: Donna V. at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (EflcN)
478
469 --Remember when Lebanon was, if not completely philo-Semitic, at least mostly Christian and not Koranimal?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Uh, might have been before my time. It was before the civil war there, right?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)
--Yes, not too long ago. National Geographic even had a cover story on the topic of what happened to the Christians in the Holy Land a few years ago.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Uh, might have been before my time. It was before the civil war there, right?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)
--Yes, not too long ago. National Geographic even had a cover story on the topic of what happened to the Christians in the Holy Land a few years ago.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (imVgX)
479
Remember when Lebanon was, if not completely philo-Semitic, at least mostly Christian and not Koranimal?
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Pretty sure this was at the same time Beirut was known as the "Paris of the Middle East" (not making that up)--in other words...nah, can't say I remember.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:05 AM (imVgX)
Pretty sure this was at the same time Beirut was known as the "Paris of the Middle East" (not making that up)--in other words...nah, can't say I remember.
Posted by: AD at July 29, 2012 03:15 AM (6+ysO)
480
--This and that. NBA Playoffs if there's an intriguing team. College football. Porn.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (imVgX)
Fixed for your own protection.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (imVgX)
Fixed for your own protection.
Posted by: Robert keeping the mocking hoardes at bay at July 29, 2012 03:15 AM (4ixH5)
481
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (yh0zB)
I'm blocked but I'm guessing...smoking hot redheads?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:13 AM (yh0zB)
I'm blocked but I'm guessing...smoking hot redheads?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:16 AM (4ixH5)
482
Prior to Arafat and the PLO essentially taking over Lebanon in the 70's the place was a garden spot and financial center for the ME. The PLO turned it into a shithole.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:17 AM (LX9yA)
483
"--Seriously. Those assclowns have me defending the Chinese and Russians."
I think I almost woke up Mrs. Optimizer, laughing at that one! Strange times!
From here on in, we should start telling the liberal whack-jobs (BIRM) to "go to England", instead of "go to France". The French at least have enough of a clue that they figured out that nuclear power is a good way to make electricity (It's really embarrasing that we dropped so far behind them on that, after having invented it).
I think I almost woke up Mrs. Optimizer, laughing at that one! Strange times!
From here on in, we should start telling the liberal whack-jobs (BIRM) to "go to England", instead of "go to France". The French at least have enough of a clue that they figured out that nuclear power is a good way to make electricity (It's really embarrasing that we dropped so far behind them on that, after having invented it).
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:17 AM (As94z)
484
I'm blocked but I'm guessing...smoking hot redheads?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:16 AM (4ixH5)
Too obvious?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:16 AM (4ixH5)
Too obvious?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:18 AM (yh0zB)
485
well, speaking of Montana, looks like Rehberg (R) is ahead in polling, so that is good
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:18 AM (d/5qf)
486
480 --This and that. NBA Playoffs if there's an intriguing team. College football. Porn.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (imVgX)
Fixed for your own protection.
Posted by: Robert keeping the mocking hoardes at bay at July 29, 2012 03:15 AM (4ixH5)
--The parenthesis referred to sports content, not overall content.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:11 AM (imVgX)
Fixed for your own protection.
Posted by: Robert keeping the mocking hoardes at bay at July 29, 2012 03:15 AM (4ixH5)
--The parenthesis referred to sports content, not overall content.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:19 AM (imVgX)
487
GGE, sheesh that's a lot of driving
yeah I am seriously thinking about cutting my newspaper subscription too, except I do see ads for good deals and announcements for goings-on as well
yeah I am seriously thinking about cutting my newspaper subscription too, except I do see ads for good deals and announcements for goings-on as well
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:22 AM (d/5qf)
488
...if you jerk around with the settings on this newest v14 FireFox long enough you can almost get it looking like the old one did, with all toolbars/menus you're used to. Fracking PITA to grope around and find all that stuff though.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:23 AM (LX9yA)
489
and the big, big problem with the whole turn-coal-to-liquid-fuel technology is that you first have to turn it into a gas. So no matter what the technology is, you will always have that big thermodynamic penalty working against you. It would make more sense to figure out how to turn solids directly into liquid fuels without having to first pass through the gas phase.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:24 AM (d/5qf)
490
GGE, sheesh that's a lot of driving
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:22 AM (d/5qf)
That's enough in pure mileage to get from here out to see the folks, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1340 miles.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:22 AM (d/5qf)
That's enough in pure mileage to get from here out to see the folks, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1340 miles.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:24 AM (yh0zB)
491
"There's a very interesting process (LPMEOH) that takes coal directly to roadable (95% dry) methanol, and it can be done very very cheaply (cheaper than refining gasoline). Using LPMEOH methanol and reworking fuel system components to handle it would make a LOT more sense than this ethanol shit...but we're fucking retards."
I'm not sure I've heard of that one. The one I remember was the Bergius process, but there was also another one (I forget the difference). I thought it converted to methane first. Made me think that to US converting to natural gas cars made sense, even before we found unbelievable new natgas reserves here. With natgas having become dirt cheap, I hear some truck fleets are converting, and maybe that will help establish a natgas distribution infrastructure for transportation.
The US could easily be energy-independent in 5-10 years, if we pulled our heads out of our globally-warmed butts.
I'm not sure I've heard of that one. The one I remember was the Bergius process, but there was also another one (I forget the difference). I thought it converted to methane first. Made me think that to US converting to natural gas cars made sense, even before we found unbelievable new natgas reserves here. With natgas having become dirt cheap, I hear some truck fleets are converting, and maybe that will help establish a natgas distribution infrastructure for transportation.
The US could easily be energy-independent in 5-10 years, if we pulled our heads out of our globally-warmed butts.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:26 AM (As94z)
492
Think of the level of narcissism it must take to invite the whole world
to your town, and then put on a show that will only "make sense" to the
people who live there.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:53 AM (As94z)
That sounds kind of insulting, but we're laughing all the way to the bank.
to your town, and then put on a show that will only "make sense" to the
people who live there.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 02:53 AM (As94z)
That sounds kind of insulting, but we're laughing all the way to the bank.
Posted by: Chicago Cubs at July 29, 2012 03:29 AM (lzvtR)
493
"489 and the big, big problem with the whole turn-coal-to-liquid-fuel technology is that you first have to turn it into a gas. ..."
That sounds like what I had heard. But do they mean methane? Maybe we should just learn to use the methane as-is.
That sounds like what I had heard. But do they mean methane? Maybe we should just learn to use the methane as-is.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:29 AM (As94z)
494
--The parenthesis referred to sports content, not overall content.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:19 AM (imVgX)
Ah! I getcha.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:19 AM (imVgX)
Ah! I getcha.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:32 AM (4ixH5)
495
The US could easily be energy-independent in 5-10 years, if we pulled our heads out of our globally-warmed butts.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:26 AM (As94z)
====
we could also raise enough royalty on federal lands to pretty much pay off our debt and get our asses back to zero.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:26 AM (As94z)
====
we could also raise enough royalty on federal lands to pretty much pay off our debt and get our asses back to zero.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 03:32 AM (ufJKx)
496
Optimizer, it could mean methane, but typically it is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. And it doesn't really matter what the identity of the gas is, it takes a lot of energy to turn any substance from a solid to a gas.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:33 AM (d/5qf)
497
Too obvious?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:18 AM (yh0zB)
Celebrate diversity!
http://tinyurl.com/dytqdq5
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 29, 2012 03:18 AM (yh0zB)
Celebrate diversity!
http://tinyurl.com/dytqdq5
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:33 AM (4ixH5)
498
I did a little bit of reading on the whole gasification technology stuff, not an expert or anything, and it is a lot more mature than people think it is, it's been around for over a century now, but it is just one of those things that has some hard scientific obstacles that can't be overcome.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:35 AM (d/5qf)
499
494 --The parenthesis referred to sports content, not overall content.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:19 AM (imVgX)
Ah! I getcha.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:32 AM (4ixH5)
--Never been Porn Guy. Wifey gives all I need. Hell, even if she didn't the babeh has drained most of my libido anyway.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:19 AM (imVgX)
Ah! I getcha.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:32 AM (4ixH5)
--Never been Porn Guy. Wifey gives all I need. Hell, even if she didn't the babeh has drained most of my libido anyway.
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:38 AM (imVgX)
500
Maybe we should just learn to use the methane as-is.
Methane has poor energy density compared to liquid methanol, as well as requiring a complete rework of existing distribution/dispensing infrastructure. Methanol is roughly 1/2 the energy density of gasoline/gal but it can be stored in vehicles using existing low pressure light weight plastic tanks.
LPMEOH cooks coal slurry to produce the Synthesis gas methanol is derived from, but the heat from that reaction doesn't have to be discarded and can be used in an electricity co-gen capacity.
Methane has poor energy density compared to liquid methanol, as well as requiring a complete rework of existing distribution/dispensing infrastructure. Methanol is roughly 1/2 the energy density of gasoline/gal but it can be stored in vehicles using existing low pressure light weight plastic tanks.
LPMEOH cooks coal slurry to produce the Synthesis gas methanol is derived from, but the heat from that reaction doesn't have to be discarded and can be used in an electricity co-gen capacity.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:42 AM (LX9yA)
501
okay good night all
Posted by: chemjeff at July 29, 2012 03:48 AM (d/5qf)
502
Good night, Jefe!
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:49 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: That dude that hawks that Ageless Male stuff at July 29, 2012 03:50 AM (4ixH5)
504
CJ PurpAV,
is there any way to use wind/solar as a slow input to make up for energy losses in the gasification process?
is there any way to use wind/solar as a slow input to make up for energy losses in the gasification process?
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 03:51 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2012 03:51 AM (imVgX)
506
damn, I know better than to try ampersands. night, CJ.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 03:52 AM (ufJKx)
507
Good night, LogProf!
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 03:57 AM (4ixH5)
508
is there any way to use wind/solar as a slow input to make up for energy losses in the gasification process?
Free energy can always be transformed into heat. The problem with wind so far has been excessive maintenance costs on the generator heads, and existing (cheap) solar panels still ain't that cheap even those crappy Chinese polysilicon ones, and are very crud/dirt sensitive and need constant cleaning to maintain peak efficiency. Might be able to do something cheaply with a long parabolic mirror setup to preheat the slurry to near flash temps though.
The pilot facility that proved the LPMEOH concept didn't get that deeply into hard core peripheral process optimizations.
Free energy can always be transformed into heat. The problem with wind so far has been excessive maintenance costs on the generator heads, and existing (cheap) solar panels still ain't that cheap even those crappy Chinese polysilicon ones, and are very crud/dirt sensitive and need constant cleaning to maintain peak efficiency. Might be able to do something cheaply with a long parabolic mirror setup to preheat the slurry to near flash temps though.
The pilot facility that proved the LPMEOH concept didn't get that deeply into hard core peripheral process optimizations.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 03:58 AM (LX9yA)
509
Interesting stuff! 'Night all!
Posted by: Optimizer at July 29, 2012 03:59 AM (As94z)
510
I think I'm gonna crash out too..
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 29, 2012 04:00 AM (LX9yA)
Posted by: The Dude at July 29, 2012 04:00 AM (tw6Ar)
512
Night Kids. CYA.
Posted by: jc at July 29, 2012 04:01 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:03 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:03 AM (4ixH5)
515
Looks like it's just you and me, and this here piece of soviet agricultural machinery.....
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:08 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:14 AM (4ixH5)
517
Just your everyday, garden variety....
Although I thought threshers looked more like this http://tinyurl.com/ca7t7fy
Although I thought threshers looked more like this http://tinyurl.com/ca7t7fy
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:17 AM (kaalw)
518
Although I thought threshers looked more like this http://tinyurl.com/ca7t7fy
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:17 AM (kaalw)
Sharky want a hug?
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:17 AM (kaalw)
Sharky want a hug?
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:24 AM (4ixH5)
519
Just read this in an AP story:
Lochte savored his moment, popping in his grillz - diamond studded mouth jewelry - to accept his gold medal. But atop the podium, something felt different.
A Grill. Yeah. Fucking classy. Where are this guy's parents? This guy is a bigger asshole than I thought after watching the thing yesterday with him and McEnroe.
Lochte savored his moment, popping in his grillz - diamond studded mouth jewelry - to accept his gold medal. But atop the podium, something felt different.
A Grill. Yeah. Fucking classy. Where are this guy's parents? This guy is a bigger asshole than I thought after watching the thing yesterday with him and McEnroe.
Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2012 04:28 AM (I2LwF)
520
I missed that. A tennis player with a grill?
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 04:34 AM (7trae)
521
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:24 AM (4ixH5)
That was the cutest one that came up fast in GIS. I don't know about a hug, though.
Of course, compared to a truly nasty piece of work like a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookiecutter_shark .....
That was the cutest one that came up fast in GIS. I don't know about a hug, though.
Of course, compared to a truly nasty piece of work like a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookiecutter_shark .....
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:35 AM (kaalw)
522
No, it's the swimmer who beat Phelps in the 400 IM. He's a real piece of work
Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2012 04:36 AM (I2LwF)
523
Seems Phelps has done too much choom the past few years. Not quite up to snuff.
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 04:41 AM (7trae)
524
Mens gymnastics on. The announcers really suck. No wonder I don't watch any more.
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 04:45 AM (7trae)
525
518 that shark has a big ass tail!
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 04:48 AM (7trae)
526
Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2012 04:28 AM (I2LwF)
I can't help but be amused by the attitudes these kids have been showing the past few years. The female athletes have all got the idea that they're Playboy material and strip for men's mags at the drop of a hat and the men all act like hippity-hop gangstas.
Dear American Olympians,
You are all fucking nobodies. No one could give a flying fuck about any of you save for that one time every four years where we all engage in nationalistic dick waving. You are rightly proud of your athletic abilities but you are still expected to carry yourselves like fucking grown-ups. Put on your clothes, pull up your pants and put away your ridiculous "grillz". You represent a nation of some 300,000,000 million plus people. When you act like assholes, you make us all look like assholes.
Sincerely,Rob
Posted by: Truman North at July 29, 2012 04:28 AM (I2LwF)
I can't help but be amused by the attitudes these kids have been showing the past few years. The female athletes have all got the idea that they're Playboy material and strip for men's mags at the drop of a hat and the men all act like hippity-hop gangstas.
Dear American Olympians,
You are all fucking nobodies. No one could give a flying fuck about any of you save for that one time every four years where we all engage in nationalistic dick waving. You are rightly proud of your athletic abilities but you are still expected to carry yourselves like fucking grown-ups. Put on your clothes, pull up your pants and put away your ridiculous "grillz". You represent a nation of some 300,000,000 million plus people. When you act like assholes, you make us all look like assholes.
Sincerely,Rob
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:48 AM (4ixH5)
527
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:35 AM (kaalw)
I et with some butter that thing could be delicious.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 04:35 AM (kaalw)
I et with some butter that thing could be delicious.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 04:49 AM (4ixH5)
528
You are all fucking nobodies. No one could give a flying fuck about any of you save for that one time every four years where we all engage in nationalistic dick waving. You are rightly proud of your athletic abilities but you are still expected to carry yourselves like fucking grown-ups. Put on your clothes, pull up your pants and put away your ridiculous "grillz". You represent a nation of some 300,000,000 million plus people. When you act like assholes, you make us all look like assholes.
****
This^
I liked it better when they weren't all pros.
You are all fucking nobodies. No one could give a flying fuck about any of you save for that one time every four years where we all engage in nationalistic dick waving. You are rightly proud of your athletic abilities but you are still expected to carry yourselves like fucking grown-ups. Put on your clothes, pull up your pants and put away your ridiculous "grillz". You represent a nation of some 300,000,000 million plus people. When you act like assholes, you make us all look like assholes.
****
This^
I liked it better when they weren't all pros.
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 04:53 AM (7trae)
529
Well, much as I'd like to hang here all night, I'm afraid that my snoring would ruin the ambiance -- so I'm taking it elsewhere. Have a good night!
Posted by: cthulhu at July 29, 2012 05:15 AM (kaalw)
530
Good night, Cooth!
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2012 05:22 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 06:01 AM (WF3IU)
532
Sweet dreams cthulhu.
Posted by: Infidel at July 29, 2012 06:02 AM (WF3IU)
533
"Too bad it really isn't a war on drugs. Otherwise, it would be way too
easy to just shoot down the targets. I'm just gonna blame Hollywood
and their coke appetites for causing all this trouble in the world."
Nailed that!
easy to just shoot down the targets. I'm just gonna blame Hollywood
and their coke appetites for causing all this trouble in the world."
Nailed that!
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 29, 2012 06:58 AM (BAnPT)
534
So now Protestors picket the Olympics for sponsoring games with winners and losers. pfft
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 29, 2012 07:00 AM (BAnPT)
535
Start the show
Hit the lights
This is it
We'll hit the heights
No more rehearsing or nursing a part -
We know every part by heart
Start the show
Hit the lights
This is it
We'll hit the heights
And oh what heights we'll hit
on with the show, this is it!
(cue Vic and a dancing keyboard; enter stage left)
Hit the lights
This is it
We'll hit the heights
No more rehearsing or nursing a part -
We know every part by heart
Start the show
Hit the lights
This is it
We'll hit the heights
And oh what heights we'll hit
on with the show, this is it!
(cue Vic and a dancing keyboard; enter stage left)
Posted by: Josef K. channeling a bunny and a duck at July 29, 2012 07:03 AM (7+pP9)
536
Zounds but my formatting doth fail ...
Posted by: Josef K., bucolic peasant at July 29, 2012 07:05 AM (7+pP9)
537
No one's here?
*takes off shoes and socks, wiggles toes in carpeting.*
There - this should summon chaos ... it does in the movies.
*takes off shoes and socks, wiggles toes in carpeting.*
There - this should summon chaos ... it does in the movies.
Posted by: Josef K. says "Ho. Ho. Ho." at July 29, 2012 07:08 AM (7+pP9)
538
"Not one, but two planes I was on today had malfunctions.Second one
forced to make emergency landing in New Mexico.I know how to take a
hint!" -- RUBIO tweet
Nothing worse than being up in the sky in a mechanically dysfunctional aircraft.
The hint? Hire a tight ship or fly commercial. Taking the cheapest bid without verifying professionalism cost missing the event/purpose. Sure, better safe than sorry.
forced to make emergency landing in New Mexico.I know how to take a
hint!" -- RUBIO tweet
Nothing worse than being up in the sky in a mechanically dysfunctional aircraft.
The hint? Hire a tight ship or fly commercial. Taking the cheapest bid without verifying professionalism cost missing the event/purpose. Sure, better safe than sorry.
Posted by: panzernashorn at July 29, 2012 07:24 AM (BAnPT)
539
Number of trips to Israel as president = 0
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Number of trips to Israel as president = 0
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 29, 2012 07:48 AM (iYvMQ)
540
489, thats what fission is for
Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2012 07:49 AM (g3Tix)
541
Hey, there's life on this here planet. Thought I was the only one up.
Posted by: teej at July 29, 2012 07:53 AM (EYfcP)
542
Mornin Good Citizens!
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 29, 2012 07:55 AM (9TTOe)
543
If your happy and ya know it share your Meds.........
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 29, 2012 07:57 AM (9TTOe)
544
Buddy lent me Pacific (HBO) to watch. This, and what all of our heroes have gone through fighting for us is why the third verse of the song I'm writing will be what it will be.
The final chorus? The next time you look at your kids or grandkids, you'll know.
The final chorus? The next time you look at your kids or grandkids, you'll know.
Posted by: teej at July 29, 2012 08:01 AM (4+PCd)
545
Number of trips to Israel as president = 0
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 29, 2012 07:48 AM (iYvMQ)
And yet the press allows a blatant lie to go unchallenged.
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 29, 2012 07:48 AM (iYvMQ)
And yet the press allows a blatant lie to go unchallenged.
Posted by: CDR M at July 29, 2012 08:02 AM (dKV5k)
546
Mornin' OSP. Mornin' CDR M.
Posted by: teej at July 29, 2012 08:04 AM (4+PCd)
547
545 Number of trips to Israel as president = 0
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 29, 2012 07:48 AM (iYvMQ)
And yet the press allows a blatant lie to go unchallenged.
Posted by: CDR M at July 29, 2012 08:02 AM (dKV5k)
Doesn't the script of lies go from the White House to Journalist then to individual reporters? After that I believe the lies are sworn to be true by complicit politicians.
Madaam Botox - "He's been to Israel over and over again".
-----
No better way to start the day than with a blatant lie from granny.
Posted by: Hal Burton at July 29, 2012 07:48 AM (iYvMQ)
And yet the press allows a blatant lie to go unchallenged.
Posted by: CDR M at July 29, 2012 08:02 AM (dKV5k)
Doesn't the script of lies go from the White House to Journalist then to individual reporters? After that I believe the lies are sworn to be true by complicit politicians.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 29, 2012 08:05 AM (9TTOe)
548
100 days
Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2012 08:07 AM (g3Tix)
549
@367 - I remember Kratos. I had been wearing green for a little over a year at the time.
Posted by: teej at July 29, 2012 08:14 AM (32Scy)
550
I would have won another gold medal
But I got High.
But I got High.
Posted by: Michael Phelps at July 29, 2012 08:15 AM (9TTOe)
551
The US could easily be energy-independent in 5-10 years,
Because the GOP really needs to shore up that portion of the base that doesn't know what the word "fungible" means.
Because the GOP really needs to shore up that portion of the base that doesn't know what the word "fungible" means.
Posted by: DaveA at July 29, 2012 08:22 AM (DVJEd)
552
Whatever happened to Cool Czech?
Posted by: lowandslow at July 29, 2012 08:24 AM (GZitp)
553
552 Whatever happened to Cool Czech?
Posted by: lowandslow at July 29, 2012 08:24 AM (GZitp)
That's a good gosh darn question. I think many are lurking.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 29, 2012 08:24 AM (GZitp)
That's a good gosh darn question. I think many are lurking.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 29, 2012 08:27 AM (9TTOe)
554
PUT COMMENT YOU WANT TO BE IGNORED HERE.
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An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat