Ag Secretary Prays For Rain, Immediately Rebuked by Atheists (JWF)

In the aftermath of the horrific shooting massacre in Colorado Friday there were plenty of folks who came out looking really stupid. There was the idiot mayor of New York chastising both the president and Mitt Romney over gun control, a pet obsession of a man who also spends way too much time concerning himself with what people like to eat and drink.

Then there was ABC News hack Brian Ross, who felt no compunction about pointing the finger of blame at another man named James Holmes, who just happens to be a member of the Tea Party.

Now along comes some atheist clown who declared that the president praying for the shooting victims and their families was egregiously offensive, leaving us in the rare position of agreeing with Obama.

“I think it’s a little unfortunate,” CSH director Tom Flynn told The Washington Examiner. “Even in a situation like this, [when] he leads a public prayer to a deity that it pretty recognizably the Christian God, much as you can understand the emotional context of it, he’s still sending to some degree a message of exclusion to other religions who don’t call their god “Lord” and to non-religious Americans.”

“By the very act of praying, that’s a message of exclusion,” he continued. “If I’m a public official, I think I’m going to look around in the morning and conclude that, ‘hey, this religion thing is just too hot to handle, I should stay away from it in my official capacity.’”

It's tragic events like this that bring out the best in Americans. Unfortunately it also exposes people as complete idiots. And in the case of Tom Flynn, the idiocy is strong. Not only did Obama suffer his wrath, but Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was also on the receiving end of his scorn.

For praying for rain. This guy should really consider a gig at The Onion.

"It sends the wrong message to distraught farmers when the Agriculture Secretary suggests that the best response is to pray," said Flynn. "For a Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call attention to his own devotions may violate the Constitution's prohibition against establishment of religion. Most important, though, is that prayer doesn't work. But if you want to test the power of prayer yourself, consider this. Apparently Secretary Vilsack's been praying for rain every day; how's that working out?"
How's being a complete asshole working out, Mr. Flynn?

Posted by: Guest Blogger at 09:20 AM



Comments

1 I don't believe in atheists.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 09:20 AM (tQHzJ)

2 Would you deprive the demoncraps of $11B in campaign funds if you could? Well, you can, and Rand Paul wants to make it happen.

http://bit.ly/O5HHnr

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 09:21 AM (tQHzJ)

3 RushBabe,
Here is the photo from that video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Bloc_demonstrators_at_J20.jpg

It is from January 2005 Bush Inauguration counter-protest. I am betting it is not Holmes.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:22 AM (45SCD)

4 On Brian Ross, I keep hearing that there should be accountability, that the press should have learned their lesson from Loughner etc.

Really? What accountability is there? What cost is there to them, ever?

Ross will get promoted, most likely.

Posted by: Golan Globus at July 21, 2012 09:23 AM (/1U3u)

5 It's been raining here all week. I guess it works after all.

Posted by: Isobel Ingoldesthorpe at July 21, 2012 09:23 AM (PDKu6)

6 Forget all that "God" talk, 'cause only a big wad of our tax money can replace rain!

Well, if Bark Obama doesn't spread his arms and issue a presidential finding that precipitation must fall, anyway.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2012 09:24 AM (wZI4b)

7 Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:22 AM (45SCD)

What those two asshats in the photo need more than anything else is a beating.

2005 -- about 5% unemployment, and a solid job market for recent graduates.
2012 -- about 15% (real) unemployment, and a nonexistent job market for recent grads.

I wonder which set of conditions those two would prefer?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 09:26 AM (nEUpB)

8 We will lower the sea levels by making smart investments to expand the green economy with massive Keynesian stimulus for venture capital in giant humidifiers to create water-holes in the ocean which will then require green jobs to fill the empty water holes on land with great big condensers.

None of you can build these by yourselves.

Posted by: President Barack Hussein Obama II at July 21, 2012 09:29 AM (45SCD)

9 What those two asshats in the photo need more than anything else is a beating.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 09:26 AM (nEUpB)

Probably, but the photo is likely not evidence that James Holmes was a Black Bloc operative.

Posted by: President Barack Hussein Obama II at July 21, 2012 09:31 AM (45SCD)

10 I really don't understand atheists who are so offensively offended at the mention of religion. Most Christians I know don't get up in arms upon hearing about a Hindu prayer, yet there's a group of loudmouth atheists who seem personally affronted at the mere mention of a generic higher power.

Posted by: Lauren at July 21, 2012 09:32 AM (wsGWu)

11 Sickitty Socketty Iffty Offity!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:33 AM (45SCD)

12 ....And the ignorance that Mr. Flynn displays about the meaning of the 1st Amendment is breathtaking.

It protects speech, so the Ag secretary can say anything he wants without violating anything. And the establishment of religion clause means that the government cannot establish a state religion, not that religious expression is banned (although the courts have fucked that up).

Is it okay with Mr. Flynn that I pray to Gaia to swallow him up in a land slide or earthquake?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 09:33 AM (nEUpB)

13 Atheists are a lot like Vegans. Don't know who they are in a crowd? Don't worry. They'll let you know.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 21, 2012 09:34 AM (3FboX)

14 Rabbi, is there a prayer for douchebags?

Posted by: Shit Tevye Should've Said at July 21, 2012 09:34 AM (ChfHq)

15 It is from January 2005 Bush Inauguration counter-protest. I am betting it is not Holmes.
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:22 AM (45SCD)

Unlike Brian Ross, I'm not saying it's him or not, but playing Devil's Advocate, doesn't the fact that he made the effort to come out for acounter protest of a Repub make him a more likely kindred spirit in OWS than not? And the "Libs, can we riot now?" sign (complete with anarchist logo) sure makes the case that he doesn't hang with his church youth group.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 09:34 AM (tQHzJ)

16 OK, I'm gonna say it.

Does not the picture of Holmes look like the stereotypical hipster leftist douchebag, or is it just me?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 09:36 AM (ChfHq)

17 CSH director Tom Flynn is too immersed in his beliefs.

I am not a Christian and do not pray except to the Goddess Irony (and I should know by now that's a really bad idea; she lives up to her name), but that's my gig. If others want to pray, that's their business.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:38 AM (bbW7j)

18 Oh, btw, props to CBD for a front page mention - and favorable comparison to Brian Ross!

That's what I love about the Q.

Posted by: Golan Globus at July 21, 2012 09:38 AM (/1U3u)

19 Credit for this one goes to someone who posted it at an NRO page, under the name Somberos Divertidos, so here goes. Imagine the speaker, the tone, the looks left and right, never center, the chin raised . . .

"If you’ve been a murderer, you didn’t get
there on your own. . . . If you were a killer, somebody along the line
gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have
that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If
you’ve killed numerous people — you're not the killer. Somebody else
made that happen.”

Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at July 21, 2012 09:39 AM (PH+2B)

20
>>>I am not a Christian and do not pray except to the Goddess Irony
(and I should know by now that's a really bad idea; she lives up to her
name)

The kicker? I'm Christian.

Posted by: Irony at July 21, 2012 09:40 AM (ChfHq)

21 If Brian Ross is canned, George Steph. needs to land on the sidewalk right next to him.

I wonder how many sheep woke up yesterday.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:41 AM (bbW7j)

22 But we all know why Mr. Flynn did this silly crap ...
it's for the same reason that Mr. Holmes killed and maimed ..
it's for the same reason that Congress continues to spend money that we don't have ...


it's because he can ... if nobody says he can't.

Posted by: Jack Kerouac at July 21, 2012 09:41 AM (e8kgV)

23 >>>But we all know why Mr. Flynn did this silly crap ...
it's for the same reason that Mr. Holmes killed and maimed ..

Lack of pussy makes you an atheist?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 09:43 AM (ChfHq)

24 Oh man, shouldn't trying to establish atheism as the state religion be in conflict with the Constitution?

Posted by: JDTAY at July 21, 2012 09:44 AM (a0nis)

25 Had one thought last night - 15000 people are killed by drunk drivers every year. That's 41 per day. So before we institute more gun control because of this tragedy, why not bring back Prohibition? It would actually make more sense and save more lives.

People would of course object, "the problem isn't drinking, the problem is people who abuse drinking." Right, and...

(This is not a pro-Prohibition post! Seems like that political suggestion might get you banned forever here.)

Posted by: longerthoughts at July 21, 2012 09:45 AM (CVVLU)

26 Lack of pussy makes you an atheist?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 09:43 AM (ChfHq)

No.

I think that makes most folks pray a lot.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:45 AM (bbW7j)

27 And the "Libs, can we riot now?" sign (complete with anarchist logo) sure makes the case that he doesn't hang with his church youth group.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 09:34 AM (tQHzJ)

If it's him. But that means that he was in DC or Philly in January 2005, which I think is a long-shot. Plus, it doesn't look like him. The jaw is too broad.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:47 AM (45SCD)

28 I wonder how many sheep woke up yesterday.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:41 AM (bbW7j)

I bet a lot of the friends of the innocent Holmes did.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at July 21, 2012 09:48 AM (45SCD)

29 Posted by: longerthoughts at July 21, 2012 09:45 AM (CVVLU)

How about the fastest legal speed is 20 mph?

That will save thousands of lives from accidents. Of course it will kill many more for other reasons.

Sadly, you can't eliminate mass murder, you can only try to minimize it. An armed and polite and alert population is the best remedy.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:49 AM (bbW7j)

30 Oh man, shouldn't trying to establish atheism as the state religion be in conflict with the Constitution?
Posted by: JDTAY at July 21, 2012 09:44 AM (a0nis)

We all do what we can.

Posted by: Abu Mohammed, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2012 09:49 AM (tQHzJ)

31 I haven't been able to vet this yet but I hear that Brian Ross licks donkey balls

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2012 09:52 AM (zOsrq)

32 Vilsack should have worn a loin cloth and headdress and done a rain dance on the the floor of the House, instead.

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 09:52 AM (YGpu7)

33 Atheists are just so cuddly. You can't help but love them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2012 09:52 AM (uhAkr)

34 shouldn't trying to establish atheism as the state religion be in conflict with the Constitution?

Militant atheism has all the trappings of a religion minus the divine/supernatural diety(s), but it usually substitutes for those with dogmatic belief in various liberal policy which it effectively worships.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 09:53 AM (4R/AX)

35 "It sends the wrong message to distraught farmers when the Agriculture
Secretary suggests that the best response is to pray," said Flynn. "For a
Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call attention to
his own devotions may violate the Constitution's prohibition against
establishment of religion.




Some people should be forced to retake ALL their English and Literature classes from Grades 1 thorugh 12 over again. Obviously this guy is illiterate and can not read or write coherently.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 09:53 AM (YdQQY)

36 Does ABC still have one or more sports league rights deal? If not, I can probably manage a lifelong boycott of the shitbirds.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2012 09:54 AM (HethX)

37 The Brady folk can't let a gun tragedy go by without trying something -

STATEMENT FROM JIM AND SARAH BRADY ON THE AURORA, CO SHOOTING

Washington, DC - The Brady Campaign issued the following
statement from Jim and Sarah Brady in response to the massacre in
Aurora, Colorado.

“We are praying for the victims and their families in Aurora and
understand the pain they are feeling and will feel for years to come.

Congress has done nothing since the mid-1990s to keep guns out of
the hands of dangerous people. We pledge to keep fighting the NRA and
entire gun lobby in an effort to strengthen our background checks to
include all firearm purchases, ban assault clips with large magazines
that enable mass killers, and to make it more difficult to obtain
concealed carry permits.

Every person who agrees with us needs to contact their individual
representatives and senators and let them know you are outraged over
their caving to the gun lobby. Do it today and do it often in the
future. Letters to your local newspaper are a big help as well. Be
sure to get your friends and families involved in our efforts too.

We can win this fight, with your voices and your action.”

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2012 09:55 AM (ew/MK)

38 ... It would actually make more sense and save more lives...

Statist policy is never about reducing the body count, its all about power.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 09:55 AM (4R/AX)

39 16 OK, I'm gonna say it.Does not the picture of Holmes look like the stereotypical hipster leftist douchebag, or is it just me?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 09:36 AM (ChfHq)

Almost. Holmes isn't wearing thick black-framed hipster leftist douchebag glasses.

Posted by: Truman North at July 21, 2012 09:55 AM (I2LwF)

40 The kicker? I'm Christian.

That's ironic.

Posted by: Golan Globus at July 21, 2012 09:56 AM (/1U3u)

41 The God of Moses loves Tom Flynn

Posted by: Jack Kerouac at July 21, 2012 09:56 AM (e8kgV)

42 The jackass parade never ends.

If its not the bobbleheaded apparatchik Andrea Mitchell repeating donk talking points then its the indefatigably vainglorious Anderson Cooper or George Stephanopoulous selling the dog on a freakin' roof story for weeks on end but losing his appetite for canine porky pies as soon as Treacher outs the Obama doggy diner experiences.

And Bloomberg? The man who tried to mine cash from Arab gulf states by skirting Islamic usury laws? That Bloomberg? He presumes to tell the rest of us what is and isn't morally acceptable?


Manhattan FOAD.

Posted by: 13times at July 21, 2012 09:57 AM (h6XiD)

43 re: leftist hipster douchebag Holmes

Last night I was trying to make that point. From my iPhone.

25 This fits within the bounds of what the secularist left has always been elsewhere, and has at times been up to here. He's not insane, he lives at the outer boundary of accepted leftism. I don't have any direct evidence of this. It's my conjecture based upon what I know of leftists and what I know of the specific act: killing people engaged in capitalism, and doing so to consume a product which apparently celebrates or at least does not vilify capitalism. That he was a joker fan and he pulled a joker-style act of naked terrorism is ancillary I think to his goal of killing for the left, to be lionized by the leftist cultural elements.
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 20, 2012 11:09 PM (UbgS5)

30 A lot of people like the fictional character of the joker. That's why he's batmans main nemesis. If people didn't like the character, batman comics wouldn't feature as many joker stories. Totally okay to enjoy a fictional character, even a really bad guy. But I can't think of another case when someone brought the joker to life like this.
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at July 20, 2012 11:12 PM (UbgS5)

Posted by: Truman North at July 21, 2012 09:58 AM (I2LwF)

44 .Does not the picture of Holmes look like the stereotypical hipster leftist douchebag, or is it just me?

Logic says he has to be...

If there was any hint of right leaning inclination at all in that apt, pics of it would be all over the news by now to kick start the vilification of the right.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 09:58 AM (4R/AX)

45 The Goddess Irony says Mr. Flynn needs a new hobby and Gaia is a skankwhore.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 09:59 AM (bbW7j)

46 If there was any hint of right leaning inclination at all in that apt, pics of it would be all over the news by now to kick start the vilification of the right.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 09:58 AM (4R/AX)

Yes, the silence is telling.

15 weeks to Hot Fudge Tuesday, BTW.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 10:01 AM (bbW7j)

47 Speaking of prayer ... I was just over on the official Olympics site and went to the page about the opening ceremony. There is an Omega sponsored countdown clock running there and it was at 6 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes. Color me spooky!

Posted by: and irresolute at July 21, 2012 10:02 AM (Q492A)

48 Also from last night:

40 When 14 persons, most of them military personnel on the base at Ft. Hood, Texas, were murdered by Islamic terrorist and U.S. Military Colonel Nidal Hasan, America's flags were not lowered to half mast until the next day. Today, by at least 2:30 pm EDT, the order came down from on high to lower our flags in a sign of mourning for the victims of today's shootings inside an Aurora Colorado movie theatre showing the much awaited Batman: The Dark Knight Rises.
Posted by: Jack Kerouac at July 20, 2012 11:19 PM (e8kgV)

Posted by: Truman North at July 21, 2012 10:02 AM (I2LwF)

49 But eman, Hot Fudge Sundae is supposed to fall on Tuesdae.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2012 10:04 AM (ew/MK)

50 I'll bet that Tommy boy believes fervently in global warming climate change.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2012 10:05 AM (zOsrq)

51 Pretty ironic that you learn more from the US media by what they DON'T say than what they do say.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 10:05 AM (4R/AX)

52 Most Christians I know don't get up in arms upon hearing about a Hindu prayer

Oh sure but one little Allahu Ackbar and you're all diving under tables and drawing guns.

Posted by: Achmed the dead terrorist at July 21, 2012 10:06 AM (tqEDJ)

53 One of the movie channels is showing Tron: Legacy.

Just realized Sam Flynn is OWS. Trust fund baby who uses his talents to attack what has given him his standard of living.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2012 10:06 AM (ew/MK)

54 WTF is the Center for Secular Humanism?

Is this a government organization where officials send their worthless, aloof in-laws to occupy their time and keep them out of the way?

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 10:06 AM (0ZJ5N)

55 Repeat

Report on the Ft. Hood shooting/shooter whitewashes the Muslim
aspects and the PC bullshit in the current leadership structure that
allowed it to flourish. In other words, the report itself is just more
PC bullshit.

http://is.gd/4AHutw

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 10:07 AM (YdQQY)

56 STATEMENT FROM JIM AND SARAH BRADY ON THE AURORA, CO SHOOTING :

We're going to punish the innocent for the actions of the guilty.

FIFT(them)

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 10:09 AM (tQHzJ)

57 Center for Secular Humanism?

Translation: Moonbat Central

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 10:09 AM (4R/AX)

58 >54

501(3)c non profit. Just a guess.

Posted by: 13times at July 21, 2012 10:09 AM (h6XiD)

59
I can't find a link that doesn't go through a paywall, but there's a surprising bit of media news in the WSJ article by David Feith in today's paper edition. During Olympic coverage, Bob Costas will be invoking a minute of silence in memory of the 11 Israeli Olympians killed 40 years ago in Munich. Apparently the IOC has refused to do so (surprise, surprise) and Costas is going to do it on his own.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2012 10:10 AM (HethX)

60 It guys like Flynn that help me keep my faith.

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2012 10:10 AM (tiOTz)

61 Brian Ross and James Holmes are secret homosexual lovers, who just had a tiff.

Posted by: Jack at July 21, 2012 10:11 AM (wUFaM)

62 “May the Lord bring them comfort and healing in hard days to come,”
President Obama said at the end of his speech today, referring to the
victims of the Batman shooting in Colorado and their families.

“Even in a situation like this, [when] he leads a public prayer to a deity that it pretty recognizably the Christian God





How is that the Christian God? For all we know Barry was praying to himself

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2012 10:12 AM (zOsrq)

63 George Will will still go on This Week on Sunday and jabber with George Steph.

He'll cash his paycheck and have a nice lunch.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 10:13 AM (bbW7j)

64 These sort of evangelical atheists don't disbelieve in God, they HATE him.

I'm a Christian. That means I disbelieve in all gods except for one God in three Persons. But I'm confident enough in my beliefs that I don't run around saying "Gosh, all those Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and Taoists and pagans sure are stupid and believe stupid things. Their gods aren't real, and they're a bunch of dupes."

Then again, neither do atheists/ Hinduism is one of the largest religions in the world, but they'll never bitch about it, and only rarely about Islam. They save their hate, not their disbelief, for the Judeo-Christian God.

Posted by: Palandine at July 21, 2012 10:13 AM (g7D8V)

65 My bad. The Center for Secular Humanism is an elitist cult.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 10:14 AM (0ZJ5N)

66 The Brady folk can't let a gun tragedy go by without trying something -

STATEMENT FROM JIM AND SARAH BRADY ON THE AURORA, CO SHOOTING


..inane driver snipped...

Geez, is it wrong to wish that Hinckley, Jr, had been a better shot?

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at July 21, 2012 10:14 AM (eHBHk)

67 Only you wingnuts think G-d can make it rain by himself.

Posted by: Preznit Training Pants at July 21, 2012 10:15 AM (jucos)

68 Yeah, and that was supposed to be "inane drivel". Guess I shouldn't try to post before noon...

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at July 21, 2012 10:16 AM (eHBHk)

69 Apparently Secretary Vilsack's been praying for rain every day; how's that working out?"

You've been sucking Marxism's cock every day for four years. How's that working out?

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2012 10:17 AM (FcR7P)

70 #48 Ft. Hood isn't in a swing state. Aurora is.

That's all you need to know.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 21, 2012 10:17 AM (GoIUi)

71 Ah yes … one nation under God, or Buda, or Muhammed, or Satin . . . or nobody. This once great Republic founded on Christian principles is about to crumble under its own weight. Unfortunately, it has become a nation of parasitic, passive sheep concerned only with their need for free stuff from the government.

Posted by: rplat at July 21, 2012 10:18 AM (wSYyB)

72 The President being religious, and expressing himself religiously, poses zero threat to any notion of religious liberty. Zero. If anything, people telling him he has to stop talking about his faith just because he's an elected official is what threatens religious liberty.

These organizations have completely lost whatever leg they had to stand on. Now they're just randomly lashing out at any public display of religion, even if nothing about it is being remotely supported or sanctioned formally by the government. Good grief.

Posted by: Chris Bowyer at July 21, 2012 10:18 AM (t2tiL)

73 Then again, neither do atheists/ Hinduism is one of the largest religions in the world, but they'll never bitch about it, and only rarely about Islam. They save their hate, not their disbelief, for the Judeo-Christian God.
Posted by: Palandine at July 21, 2012 10:13 AM (g7D8V)

True.

Of course speaking against Hinduism here is a waste of effort.

They are rightly afraid of Islamic punishment for insulting Islam.

Christianity is the main religion of their political foes. (Atheists tend to lean Left and Christians tend to lean Right.)

So, logically, their primary target is Christianity. Apparently, the risk of being disinvited to a pot luck dinner does not stop them.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 10:21 AM (bbW7j)

74 Has anyone else been praying for Kate Upton and therefore negating my prayers? If so, please stop.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 21, 2012 10:21 AM (bb5Xq)

75 O/T -- See, it WASN'T Holmes's fault. "He was a shy man."

There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).

See, it's a false flag becausehe wasn't a TEA Partier.

http://bit.ly/OOZ882

Posted by: Mahogany Messiah at July 21, 2012 10:21 AM (tQHzJ)

76 I'm no divinity student, but if he worries about exclusion, how about, "Please make it rain. And fuck you, Tom Flynn."

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2012 10:21 AM (FcR7P)

77 How do these fringe groups manage to get any publicity? I mean, we know they exist, but they couldn't have more than a handful of members. PETA gets their name out there, but how? And Why? They don't have a cogent argument that makes sense out here in the real world, so why is there any time or effort (not to mention the waste of precious pixels) on anything they bleat?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 21, 2012 10:25 AM (d0Tfm)

78 How's being a complete asshole working out, Mr. Flynn?

All I can say is he should use Charmin because he's got those little white flecks from the bargain brand.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 21, 2012 10:26 AM (Qxdfp)

79 Vilsack should have worn a loin cloth and headdress and done a rain dance on the the floor of the House, instead.

Hey, that's my shtick!

Posted by: Lizzie "Heap Big Horse Pile" Warren at July 21, 2012 10:26 AM (tQHzJ)

80 one nation under God, or Buda, or Muhammed, or Satin

Depends. Is Kate Upton wearing the satin?

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at July 21, 2012 10:29 AM (QTHTd)

81 14 Rabbi, is there a prayer for douchebags?
Posted by: Shit Tevye Should've Said

May the Lord Bless them and Keep them...Away from us.

Posted by: The Rabbi with a Big R at July 21, 2012 10:29 AM (1JlG0)

82 Does not the picture of Holmes look like the stereotypical hipster leftist douchebag, or is it just me?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 09:36 AM (ChfHq)

-----------------

Nah. No beard, no gauged ears, no Buddy Holly glasses, looks a little smirky but not exactly smug. He looks normal. Now, the hook-up site pictures, if they are him, with the kool-aid-colored hair...in those he looks like a stoned-idiot high school kid, but not particularly leftist.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 21, 2012 10:30 AM (FIYvq)

83 Vilsack should've bought indulgences. Oh, I mean carbon credits, that's the ticket. And paid his tithes...I mean donated to Obama. Then we wouldn't be having this drought. But praying? Crazy.

/s

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at July 21, 2012 10:32 AM (FIYvq)

84 Very, very dry here.

Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at July 21, 2012 10:32 AM (msPO3)

85 I wonder what the CSH's position is on chemtrails.

A little cloud-seeding now and again never hurts, right?

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 10:32 AM (0ZJ5N)

86 the last thing you can say about the guy is that he looks normal....oh wait...you were the one who jumped on the george zimmerman is evil band wagon.....must remember to skip over your comments....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 21, 2012 10:35 AM (Ho2rs)

87 The atheists and koranimalsaren't going to like this...Plus the news that 40K Bibles are sold every day.

“We knew in Los Angeles when we did our first casting call that we had a hit on our hands,” says Schiff. “So many teenagers and 20-somethings showed up — which was not at all what we’d expected. Some of them had jailhouse tattoos, others spray-on tans. We had retirees and professionals and little kids – all possible demographics.
http://bit.ly/MyEXx5

Posted by: Lizzie at July 21, 2012 10:35 AM (tQHzJ)

88 Posted by: Lizzie at July 21, 2012 10:35 AM (tQHzJ)

Out, out, darn sock stain.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 10:38 AM (tQHzJ)

89 Vilsack should have worn a loin cloth and headdress and done a rain dance on the the floor of the House, instead.

Everyone knows that won't work without the Sacrifice of the Prarie Crabs.

In butter, with a nice sauce.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 21, 2012 10:38 AM (d0Tfm)

90 Very, very dry here.
Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at July 21, 2012 10:32 AM (msPO3)
-----------------------------------------------------------
I have moisture to spare

Posted by: Rosie O'Fat's GIGANTIC HORROR Swale at July 21, 2012 10:41 AM (jucos)

91 Here in Brattleboro, many of us attend the Unitarian Universalist Church. It's like a religion, and the potluck suppers are excellent, but it lacks all the anger and divine judgement stuff that makes people feel icky. It also allows us a place to hold meetings for the Brattleboro Democratic Women's Gardening Club, Vermont Women Outdoors, the Berkshire Coalition for Peace, and other worthy causes.

Tom Flynn should be channeling his anger into healthy energy to support our President, and not attacking him. Any attacks on Barack Obama by potential supporters only help that icky Mormon Mitt Romney person.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 21, 2012 10:41 AM (uetv9)

92 And really, Brian Ross should not feel bad. Assuming a gun-owning teabagger is capable of violence is a logical conclusion in the stress of such a tragedy.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at July 21, 2012 10:42 AM (uetv9)

93 >>Vilsack should have worn a loin cloth and headdress and done a rain dance on the the floor of the House, instead.

That's not funny.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at July 21, 2012 10:43 AM (ChfHq)

94 We laugh at the atheists now, but they keep hammering away at any mention of religion. I think they are in it to win it. They keep pushing the window. Someday, 5 or 10 years from now they might even succeed. A scary thought.

Posted by: Max Power at July 21, 2012 10:43 AM (+wxCD)

95 As an English teacher, I often explain allusions to the Bible. Once in a while, some precocious darling tells me that I'm breaking the law. I sweetly explain that I refuse to teach ignorance and that I'm merely helping students understand the author's point; I'm not telling the students what to believe.

The government cannot force someone to believe in a deity or worship a certain way; however, each of us and groups of us are entitled to believe and worship (or not) how we please. People can choose not to participate in a prayer, but they're not entitled to be insulated from it, either.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 21, 2012 10:44 AM (ywsP8)

96 >>We laugh at the atheists now,

Hopium is the religion of the asses.

Posted by: Mark Karlson at July 21, 2012 10:46 AM (ChfHq)

97 ((goddess))

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 21, 2012 10:47 AM (Ho2rs)

98 We laugh at the atheists now, but they keep hammering away at any mention of religion. I think they are in it to win it. They keep pushing the window. Someday, 5 or 10 years from now they might even succeed. A scary thought.

Only if we don't push back. There are a lot more of us than there are of them. Remember, one of the devil-worshippers Alinsky's rules is to hide your numbers. It's all about what you believe, and if these fringe groups get constant exposure despite being in the minority fringe, you think there are a whole lot of them.

It's basically manufactured peer pressure.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 21, 2012 10:47 AM (d0Tfm)

99 >>>As an English teacher, I often explain allusions to the Bible. Once in a
while, some precocious darling tells me that I'm breaking the law.

You should answer: "I'll give you extra credit if you can tell me the subject of the sentence 'Go fuck yourself, you snivelling little shit'".

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 10:48 AM (ChfHq)

100 He forgot to mention the message of exclusion it sends to people who like droughts.

Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at July 21, 2012 10:48 AM (219RQ)

101 "Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was also on the receiving end of his scorn. For praying for rain. This guy should really consider a gig at The Onion"
Exactly, when I saw your headline I thought it was a spoof from the satirical Stalinists over at the People's Cube.


Posted by: adagioforstrings at July 21, 2012 10:51 AM (smBk5)

102 99 Herr Morgenholz

I'm rather famous for never swearing, so if I said that, my students would know the apocalypse had arrived.

Also, being able to analyze a sentence is required, not optional, in my class.

But thanks for giving me an impish thought that will jump up in my brain the next time the situation occurs!

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 21, 2012 10:51 AM (ywsP8)

103 >>>But thanks for giving me an impish thought that will jump up in my brain the next time the situation occurs!

My pleasure, but I think you're missing a golden opportunity to teach the little-known "recursive-imperative" tense. ;-)

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 21, 2012 10:54 AM (ChfHq)

104 Didja hear the one about the hipster douchebag atheist that burnt his mouth eating pizza?


The Pizza wasn't COOL.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 21, 2012 10:54 AM (9TTOe)

105 I suspect most Atheists are quite unlike Mr. Flynn, just as most Christians are quite unlike those douche canoes that protest military funerals.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2012 10:56 AM (bbW7j)

106 Anybody who is caught praying will be turned into Soylent Green.

Posted by: your government 2020 at July 21, 2012 11:00 AM (9/NoY)

107 You can convert YouTube videos to mp3s?

Who the fuck would buy music on iTunes?

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 11:01 AM (I2LwF)

108 Egregiously offensive? The guy said it was "a little unfortunate," how did you interpret that as him being egregiously offended?

Is he quote elsewhere, somewhere not in your links, as indicating his offendedness as being egregious?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2012 11:01 AM (2pG7H)

109 I suspect most Atheists are quite unlike Mr. Flynn, just as most Christians are quite unlike those douche canoes that protest military funerals.

I can give you a loooong list of prominent people who claim to be "Christian," but aren't. We all know who they are, we know them by their actions. They sow division, promote discord instead of forgiveness and place themselves in a position of wealth and power. Those assholes at Westboro Church are about as far from Christians as teh SCOAMF is from being an American.

And on that note, I gotta go get my truck, Betsy II, and bring her back to Casa Backwardio. Later, gators...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 21, 2012 11:02 AM (d0Tfm)

110 I must pry myself away from the computer and get some housework done. Have a great day, morons and moronettes!

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 21, 2012 11:02 AM (ywsP8)

111 Who the hell is she to tell me to have a great day? Professors, all the same!!

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 11:04 AM (I2LwF)

112 Everybody's got to be a goddam victim. I'm an atheist, and I long ago came to grips with the fact that we are an infinitesimally tiny percentage of the population, so we need to just live with the fact that there will be public requests for "prayers" for victims of tragedies, atrocities and unfortunate acts of nature. It's not hard to do if you aren't looking for some super-special victim goodies or aren't out to use your super-minority status to harsh everyone else's mellow. Tom Flynn can kiss my ass.

Posted by: holygoat at July 21, 2012 11:07 AM (XnwWl)

113 When your position is aggressively contrarian, you should expect to be offended a helluva lot of the time.

Posted by: nickless at July 21, 2012 11:07 AM (MMC8r)

114 Many people say that Brian Ross probably gave James Holmes a blowjob but didn't swallow, thus precipitating his deadly murder spree. I don't believe this myself, because in all the many ads for oral services from Brian Ross I have seen in public restrooms, "swallows with gusto" is specifically featured. Just sayin.

Posted by: sherlock at July 21, 2012 11:09 AM (f29LO)

115 OT, just heard on the radio that law enforcement in CO thinks they're just going to have to trip the booby traps and try and put the fire out. Anyone else hear that?

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:09 AM (YGpu7)

116 If at first you don't succeed..The MFM is now running with Holmes came from a religious family and bought his guns legally. Keep pushing the message

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2012 11:10 AM (zOsrq)

117 The MFM is now running with Holmes came from a religious family and bought his guns legally

What? You didn't know? It's right there in the Bible, from Paul's first letter to the Glocks.

"And you shall get thee to a pawn shop to purchase large quantities of arms so that you may feed the narrative."

Posted by: Sean Bannion, American History major and noted pedant at July 21, 2012 11:14 AM (N4AvM)

118 113 -

I'm trying to figure out where the guy said he was offended though. Maybe I just missed it, but the quoted link has him saying "it's a little unfortunate."

To describe that as him being "offended" doesn't strike me as terribly accurate.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2012 11:14 AM (2pG7H)

119 yes eric

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 21, 2012 11:15 AM (Ho2rs)

120 the blaze has a live feed...but my computer froze when i tried to watch it

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 21, 2012 11:15 AM (Ho2rs)

121 >>>they're just going to have to trip the booby traps and try and put the fire out. Anyone else hear that?

If that's the case, why not put Holmes in there to defuse it himself? Hell, throw Brian Ross in there with him. I'm sure Brian's big brain is up to the task.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 11:16 AM (0ZJ5N)

122 the blaze has a live feed...but my computer froze when i tried to watch it

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 21, 2012 11:15 AM (Ho2rs)

My computer locks up half the time when I go to The Blaze. I was wondering if anyone else had issues with it...

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:19 AM (YGpu7)

123 I agree with fritz at 121, just on general principle.

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 11:20 AM (I2LwF)

124 Uh-oh, Obama's not doing well with the Atheist American community!

Liberal culture and multicultural give these idiots credence. When you lie down with dogs you get fleas....

Posted by: PJ at July 21, 2012 11:22 AM (DQHjw)

125 Posted by: Sean Bannion, American History major and noted pedant at July 21, 2012 11:14 AM (N4AvM)

Ah yes, the twin evils that have sowed the seeds of the destruction of White, elitist Amerika.

Religion has fooled generations of Amerikans to believe in something other than the power of communitarian effort to guide society. Guns have fooled these deluded citizens into thinking that they, and they alone have control over their destiny.

But the end is near. With the reelection of President Obama and the final destruction of the capitalist tool that is the NRA, and the confiscation of the weapons that you people think will save you from an enlightened society, the utopia that you have kept at bay because of your ignorance of the flow of history will finally emerge from the ashes of capitalist Amerika!

Posted by: A progressive whose mask just slipped at July 21, 2012 11:22 AM (nEUpB)

126 121 -

I think Ross would tell you the Aurora, CO Tea Party is better equipped for this sort of work. I think that's just him being modest though, great guy that he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2012 11:23 AM (2pG7H)

127 Meanwhile, as the prayer debate rages, Big Sis is doing God's work in Mexico, shuttling charity cases across the border on the taxpayer's dime.

preview.tinyurl.com/d467bea

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 11:24 AM (0ZJ5N)

128
My computer locks up half the time when I go to The Blaze. I was wondering if anyone else had issues with it...


The Blaze regularly crashes my android browser on Kindle.

Posted by: nickless at July 21, 2012 11:26 AM (MMC8r)

129
As an agnostic, who could care less what people believe I have to say to the athiests - WE GET IT, DUMB ASS! You don't believe the shit. No one cares WTF you believe, so STFU. If someone wants to pray for something, who cares? Whats next? Standing next to the public toilet advising people on how they should wipe?
Yeah, not a very good analogy, I don't even know why I thought of that stupid ass anology. Forgive me Jesus.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 21, 2012 11:26 AM (vj51i)

130 Fuck Vilsack. He's been wasting billions in federal funds on fraud on bullshit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 21, 2012 11:28 AM (hO8IJ)

131 Religion has fooled generations of Amerikans to believe in something other than the power of communitarian effort to guide society

I'd know that hash anywhere!

Posted by: Sean Bannion, noted at July 21, 2012 11:28 AM (N4AvM)

132 The Blaze regularly crashes my android browser on Kindle.

Posted by: nickless at July 21, 2012 11:26 AM (MMC8r)


I know fuck all about computers. I'm guessing they need to back off some shit?

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:29 AM (YGpu7)

133 Whats next? Standing next to the public toilet advising people on how they should wipe?

Actually, that's in the Koran. No shit.

Pun completely intended

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 21, 2012 11:30 AM (N4AvM)

134 I know fuck all about computers. I'm guessing they need to back off some shit?

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:29 AM (YGpu7)

It's some script. It crashes when I scroll to get something particular on the screen, but not until then.Yeah. They need to back off some shit.

Posted by: nickless at July 21, 2012 11:31 AM (MMC8r)

135 OT, just heard on the radio that law enforcement in
CO thinks they're just going to have to trip the booby traps and try and
put the fire out. Anyone else hear that?

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:09 AM (YGpu7)

On Fox while eating lunch I saw them say they were going to use an explosive device to cut the trip wire and they had fire trucks standing by.
They also said several explosive shells had been removed in trucks filled with sand. One wonders where this guy got "explosive shells"?

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 11:31 AM (YdQQY)

136 #114 Thanks....that is some powerful symmetry: Brian Ross, Blow Job....and the Bloomberg Big Gulp....

Posted by: redgrains at July 21, 2012 11:33 AM (TExGL)

137 Speaking of sites hanging up.....
Latest version of Firefox 14.something.
Only at AoSHQ, get constant "refreshing/Loading" symbol on top.
Have to manually stop the loading process in order to re-refresh.
Unable to get curser to appear in comment box to type comment.
Had to open this thread in a second tab in order to make this comment.

It's almost as if a script is running on the page.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2012 11:34 AM (Qr3eK)

138 129 -

Heh, I was thinking it was more like when you were a teenager, and your mom would constantly rag on you about stuff like cleaning your room.

All she did was say "it's a little unfortunately you leave your room so messy." So when your response is something like "get off my back, ma! WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS YELLING AT ME ABOUT CLEANING MY ROOM!!!!" Your response says just a leeeeeeeetle bit more about your reaction than it does about her constant nagging.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2012 11:34 AM (2pG7H)

139 BTW continuing my diatribe on inflation I fixed cream of tomato soup and a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch.


The condensed tomato soup poured out of the can like water. The final product was much more watery than what I am used to as well.



But oddly enough, looking at the ingredients on the label it looks exactly the same except that the salt levels are much lower.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 11:35 AM (YdQQY)

140 Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2012 11:31 AM (YdQQY)

I'd like to see the imagesand vid that were taken inside the apartment. I heard earlier that mortar rounds were identified. If that's true, like you said, who did he get them from?

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:35 AM (YGpu7)

141
Its kind of funny that I read that headline a couple days ago (that they prayed for rain), and then at my house, where the grass has been dead for a couple of weeks from a month or two of draught, it rained that night a good 2 inches. Enough to saturate down about a foot, and the grass will be back in a week because of it.
So if the praying worked, all the better.

Posted by: Hal Burton at July 21, 2012 11:36 AM (vj51i)

142 True unalterable morality cannot exist without God. Ethics are based on morals.

Mr. Flynn seems to be without both so maybe that is his proof there is no God?

Posted by: Mekan at July 21, 2012 11:38 AM (T/L2Z)

143 Latest version of Firefox 14.something.
Only at AoSHQ, get constant "refreshing/Loading" symbol on top.


Could be a script or ad that's not coming in. I get that a lot in Safari when the DNS servers are bogged down. Is there an 'Activity' window in Firefox where you can check status on all the pieces that make up the page?

Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2012 11:41 AM (FcR7P)

144 Most atheists are decent calm people - and agnostics more so. But some of these jackasses are worse than the most rabid Christian evangelical nutcase. They just won't shut up and demand everyone kneel to their faith of self. If God doesn't exist then who cares if some loser believes in a fiction? Shut up and walk away, you idiot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2012 11:42 AM (r4wIV)

145 This guy needs to be reminded that 'Asshole' is not a valid alternative lifestyle.

Posted by: Alex at July 21, 2012 11:44 AM (3+RPg)

146 I got nothing against atheists. They can clean my toilet any time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2012 11:47 AM (05RcU)

147 If the atheists want work, they can dig me another subway

Posted by: Truman North at July 21, 2012 11:49 AM (I2LwF)

148 t-bird
There is info available through firefox's "tools" tab,
But it's beyond my limited understanding.
I upgraded to the FF 14.? yesterday, and suspect that is the cause.
I am able to use the curser to hit the "Bold/underline/italic" buttons, and have them respond to the curser.
But am unable to get the curser to appear in the comment box itself.
Each time I want to comment, I have to open a new tab, and after the first "refresh" that tab goes into the " you can't use the comment box" mode.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 21, 2012 11:49 AM (Qr3eK)

149 I, personally, do not like tomatoes. I am not a fan of foods which prominently feature tomatoes as an ingredient, but, one of my best friends practically worships tomatoes, since they are her favorite food. So, I, as a tomato atheist, will now begin denouncing her belief that tomatoes are an acceptable delicacy. It is for her own good, after all. I can't let her rest secure in her delusion.

Or maybe, I will just continue to ask for extra tomatoes for her and extra black olives for me for the Olive Garden salad bowl when we have lunch and love and friendship can continue without a schism.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at July 21, 2012 11:51 AM (kXoT0)

150 If God doesn't exist then who cares if some loser believes in a fiction? Shut up and walk away, you idiot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2012 11:42 AM (r4wIV)


As someone whom I can't remember once said, "The problem with atheists is that they talk about God all the time."

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:51 AM (YGpu7)

151 How a Christian makes a convert: volunteers at a homeless shelter, invites someone to church/ dinner/ coffee, makes a friend.

How an atheist makes a convert: ridicules Christians*, complains when Christians* pray, sues their local Christian* for having a nativity in their yard at Christmas*.

*95% of the time, these turd-drips only whine when the believer is a Christian. Although you might notice a sharp uptick in Mormon bashing as of late. Strange, that.

Posted by: Book at July 21, 2012 11:53 AM (BJMkh)

152 They should have Mr. Holmes defuse his own booby-traps. When he screams about it just point out, "Hey you the guy studying neuroscience. Should be a piece of cake."

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2012 11:55 AM (ew/MK)

153 They should have Mr. Holmes defuse his own booby-traps. When he screams about it just point out, "Hey you the guy studying neuroscience. Should be a piece of cake."
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2012 11:55 AM (ew/MK)


I like the way you think

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2012 11:57 AM (05RcU)

154 "Your response says just a leeeeeeeetle bit more about your reaction than it does about her constant nagging. "

I'd say it illuminates both. "Constant nagging" is triggering furious response. There may be a long history behind that one incident, and you can start doing the whole chicken and egg thing, but if the Christians are immediately reacting to this remark, maybe it's because they've been goaded past endurance for a long time.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 21, 2012 11:58 AM (KOHFD)

155 I lurk on my smartphone and pretty much everytime im on the blaze it boots me off the internet. Extremely annoying when u get 3/4 the way through writing a comment, then ZAP.

Posted by: Infidelswine at July 21, 2012 11:58 AM (eS2et)

156 I keep reading that Brian Ross and ABC News apologized. Only on their web site and Twitter

No on air apologies to set the record straight for the mouth breathers who heard that while waiting for The View to come on

Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2012 12:13 PM (Y7XKa)

157 You would think that now, given the expanded opportunity, there would be new posts more often.

Coming up on 3 hours here.

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:13 PM (I2LwF)

158 Ross will get promoted, most likely.





Posted by: Golan Globus at July 21, 2012 09:23 AM

We'd love to hire him !

Posted by: NBC News at July 21, 2012 12:14 PM (Y7XKa)

159 WNAFF - You don't like tomatoes but you like black olives.
After reading some of your comments the other day I was thinking about asking if you had a twin sister who was single but...

Posted by: teej at July 21, 2012 12:15 PM (vzfrq)

160 Heheh... I drive a Subaru Outback. But I'm not a lesbian.

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:16 PM (I2LwF)

161 A good friend drives a Suburu suv. He and I are both lesbians.
I mean lesbians love women,,,right?

Posted by: teej at July 21, 2012 12:19 PM (vzfrq)

162 144 Most atheists are decent calm people - and agnostics more so. But some of these jackasses are worse than the most rabid Christian evangelical nutcase. They just won't shut up and demand everyone kneel to their faith of self. If God doesn't exist then who cares if some loser believes in a fiction? Shut up and walk away, you idiot.

Yeah, I always say that militant, in-your-face atheists are like smokers who flick their butts out the car window. They give us all a bad name.

(I'm a quiet, mild-mannered, tolerant agnostic and a smoker.)

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2012 12:19 PM (sdi6R)

163 Yesterday I saw a comment on one of the threads about SSRI drugs and the way they make people less concerned about the consequences of their actions. I want to link to it on another blog but I can't find it now for the life of me. Can somebody point me to it?

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2012 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

164 SSRI?

Posted by: teej at July 21, 2012 12:23 PM (vzfrq)

165 What's wrong with flicking your ash out the window?

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:24 PM (I2LwF)

166 If one is intolerant but does not speak out or act upon his intolerance, is it a bad thing?

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:25 PM (h23ms)

167 Maybe it's cowardly to be intolerant but silent in the face of that which you do not tolerate, I don't know.

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:25 PM (UbgS5)

168 160 Heheh... I drive a Subaru Outback. But I'm not a lesbian.

Then, why do you drive a Subaru Outback?

Posted by: The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh at July 21, 2012 12:26 PM (p4U6S)

169 Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:16 PM (I2LwF)

You don't like women?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 12:28 PM (nEUpB)

170 Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2012 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

Screw you.

Posted by: Guy on SSRIs who doesn't care about consequences at July 21, 2012 12:29 PM (nEUpB)

171 "For a Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call
attention to his own devotions may violate the Constitution's
prohibition against establishment of religion."


The US Constitution was written to be understandable to anyone with the equivalent of a sixth grade education. It is truly a shame that the Center for Secular Humanism couldn't find someone with that qualification to be their spokesman.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2012 12:30 PM (/i3Yt)

172 Brian Ross was just doing what the rest of the SCOAMF stenographers in the MBM always do in a shooting;

Play the Reichstag Fire Card

Posted by: NBC News at July 21, 2012 12:30 PM (Y7XKa)

173 160
Heheh... I drive a Subaru Outback. But I'm not a lesbian.

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:16

Your other car is a Mini Cooper convertible, right?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2012 12:31 PM (Y7XKa)

174 >>>Then, why do you drive a Subaru Outback?



Maybe he's image conscious. A Subaru Outback and a matching pair of
dingo boots is smoking hot.

Posted by: Fritz at July 21, 2012 12:32 PM (0ZJ5N)

175 My computer locks up half the time when I go to The Blaze. I was wondering if anyone else had issues with it...
Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 11:19 AM (YGpu7)

Yep. All the time.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 21, 2012 12:33 PM (tQHzJ)

176 The US Constitution was written to be understandable to anyone with the equivalent of a sixth grade education. It is truly a shame that the Center for Secular Humanism couldn't find someone with that qualification to be their spokesman.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2012 12:30 PM (/i3Yt)


And therein lies the problem. These assholes only have the cognitive ability of an 8 year old.

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 12:33 PM (YGpu7)

177 Praying for rain, that's nothing. I am praying for a new president.

Posted by: sTevo at July 21, 2012 12:35 PM (VMcEw)

178 ‘hey, this religion thing is just too hot to handle, I should stay away from it in my official capacity.’”

And that's why i can't stand atheists, it's not that they don't believe in god, i'm not religious and don't care one way or another whether god exists or not, it's that they want to shut religious people up. Atheism these days is really just fascist bigotry hiding behind faux intellectualism.

Posted by: booger at July 21, 2012 12:37 PM (HI6wa)

179 @ 171 - I guess you said that in the second sentence.

Not only do I not read all the comments, I don't read all portions of the comments either, evidently.

Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 12:38 PM (YGpu7)

180 >>A good friend drives a Suburu suv. He and I are both lesbians.

I came out a couple of years ago.

Posted by: sTevo at July 21, 2012 12:38 PM (VMcEw)

181 Regarding all the supposed booby traps, I'd be suprised if the danger is as bad as advertised. The media loves to hype these things.

Posted by: Ronster at July 21, 2012 12:41 PM (YJQhY)

182 165 What's wrong with flicking your ash out the window?

Ask the motorcyclist in your blind spot.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2012 12:44 PM (sdi6R)

183 He and I are both lesbians.

Hawt lesbians??

Or Maine flannel-clad lesbians??

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 21, 2012 12:44 PM (N4AvM)

184 Posted by: ErikW at July 21, 2012 12:38 PM (YGpu7)

You must be a coblogger.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 21, 2012 12:45 PM (nEUpB)

185 Prayer. That's definitely going to work. I wonder what his backup plan is. More subsidies?

Posted by: Jordan at July 21, 2012 01:02 PM (RSG1I)

186 Of course, Vilsack wants this attention from assholes. His wife is running for Congress against Steve King and, although the redrawn district is competitive, he has repeatedly used his cabinet power to try to get his wife votes. This is just an attempt to convince the rubes that he and his wife are just normal people, living 1500 miles apart.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 21, 2012 01:06 PM (J5tI6)

187 165
What's wrong with flicking your ash out the window?

Posted by: Truman North, Team Dagny, and iPhone snob at July 21, 2012 12:24 PM

Ask any Californian who sees a hillside by a freeway catch fire

Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2012 01:09 PM (Y7XKa)

188 I dont flick ash, i flick beans.

Posted by: Infidelswine at July 21, 2012 01:13 PM (eS2et)

189 Flynn is not an atheist, he's an anti-Theist.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at July 21, 2012 01:36 PM (tYaDf)

190 "Prayer. That's definitely going to work. I wonder what his backup plan is. More subsidies?"

Between the two prayer is the more likely candidate for success in making it rain...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2012 02:07 PM (r4wIV)

191 The bumwiping thing is in the Hadith, not the Koran.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 21, 2012 02:46 PM (m2Yvn)

192 Militant atheism has all the trappings of a religion minus the divine/supernatural diety(s), but it usually substitutes for those with dogmatic belief in various liberal policy which it effectively worships.
Posted by: @PurpAv at July 21, 2012 09:53 AM (4R/AX)


re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.


Atheism is a religion, and should be called as such. Then we'd be able to call foul on things like the educational system being under the grip of one religion.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 21, 2012 02:59 PM (csi6Y)

193 Hmmm. So the overwhelming majority of the country is seeking emotional consolation through consultaion with their Invisible Friend, wanting to FEEL LIKE they can somehow help, even though they mostly can't, and this guy thinks THAT'S a good time to say "It's all a big crock!" Good luck with THAT, buddy.

As to the Obama comments, custom practically dictates that the President go through that exercise (although I don't think it was always that way), so "good luck with that", too. The Constitution demands that no laws be passed giving preferential treatment to religions, but the President is within his rights to voice personal opinions. As the head of state, however, it is inappropriate (yet stillcustomary!)to give this tacit endorsement of a class of religions (he didn't mention Allah, or Buhda, or whatever). Since he's the guy who is supposed to be enforcing separation of church and state, it leaves the people to wonder whether he's really going to do his job without descrimination with regard to creed (or lack thereof). He's supposed to represent everybody.

As to the Ag Secy comments, again, his remarks are insensitive. But as to what he's complaining about, ANYBODY ought to think to themselves "You've got to be kidding" when the Agguy's answer to a problem is "pray for rain". It's a joke!!This is a high-level govt bureaucrat, not your local preacher, or Pat Robertson. He's supposed to at least pretend that he has a serious job, that he takes seriously, and that he has serious actions to offer. Maybeyou could lead us ina Rain Dance, too, Mr Secretary! There is no similar tradition for the Ag Secy playing a role of trying to be comforting. But folks are in a religious mood over the shooting, so maybe it's looked upon differently right now.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 21, 2012 03:55 PM (As94z)

194 @192 "Atheism is a religion, and should be called as such."

Well, let's go with your quoted definitions, and see where it takes us.

Obviously, athiesm is not a religion, if you go by #2, since there are no "atheism practices", so let's see where #1 takes us. Obviously, the "especially", "usually", and "often" parts don't apply, so we're left with a religion being defined as"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe".

This does not preclude NATURAL beliefs of this kind. HOWEVER, there is notONE single stated set of beliefs that define atheism (which I presume is define by a lack of supernatural beliefs). What we must conlcude, then, is that "atheism is NOT a religion, but being an atheist doesn't mean you can't have your own personalreligion". If you buy into the Big Bang, for example, you would have 2/3 of the requirement for a religion (cause and nature of the universe), and you just have to come up with the "purpose" part on your own to have a complete religion.

I'm guessing you have you some sort of personalinvestment in your "atheism is a religion" appeal, so I recognizethe likely futility ofthis attempt at a realdiscussion about it.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 21, 2012 04:18 PM (As94z)

195 @178 "...And that's why i can't stand atheists, it's not that they don't believe in god, i'm not religious and don't care one way or another whether god exists or not, it's that they want to shut religious people up. Atheism these days is really just fascist bigotry hiding behind faux intellectualism."

I have to question your sincerity. The most importantobjections are NOT to "shut religious people up", but rather to "shut people in the GOVERNMENT up about religion". The fact that you have conveniently ignored this important detail shows that your statement is really just anti-atheist fascist bigotry, hiding behindfaux neutrality.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 21, 2012 04:31 PM (As94z)

196 So when you take a public office you give up your First Amendment rights? Bullshit !!!

Posted by: CMU VET at July 21, 2012 05:07 PM (dPSpR)

197 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 21, 2012 06:13 PM (6o4Fb)

198 Instead of being so concerned about living in a country where he might be offended by christian behavior, he should start being concerned about living in a country where being an 'unbeliever' will get your fuckin' head cut off.

Posted by: hobbes at July 21, 2012 06:38 PM (OEQY9)

199 Posted by: Optimizer at July 21, 2012 04:31 PM (As94z)


Hate to break it to you but people in government are, wait for it, people, and they have free speech just like the rest of us, don't like them talking about religion? Vote them out. Making them or anyone else shut up? Fascism. Not to mention the myriad examples of atheists complaining about non-government employees like the elementary school student around here that committed the major crime of handing out candy canes that said Jesus loves you which resulted in harassment, court cases, wasted money and time thanks to the ever offended atheist "community", or the yearly advertising campaign at Easter telling people how ridiculous their beliefs are, no, no bigotry in that, course not. but hey, thanks for showing everyone that yeah, you're only interested in shutting people up, great job.

Posted by: booger at July 21, 2012 06:39 PM (HI6wa)

200 Obviously, the "especially", "usually", and "often" parts don't apply, so we're left with a religion being defined as"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe".

If you buy into the Big Bang, for example, you would have 2/3 of the requirement for a religion (cause and nature of the universe), and you just have to come up with the "purpose" part on your own to have a complete religion.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 21, 2012 04:18 PM (As94z)

Cause - assuming that you can find more than a couple atheists who don't believe in the Big Bang, we can agree that atheists, without exception, believe the universe was the result of natural processes

Nature - atheists believe that the universe is composed of matter and energy, and nothing more than that

Purpose - atheists believe there is No Purpose. That, in and of itself, is a statement on purpose.

I have to have faith to believe in God? You have to have faith to believe in no God. Sorry, you're part of a religion and you don't even realize it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at July 21, 2012 06:46 PM (csi6Y)

201 I think Atheism is a faith and belief system, but I wouldn't really call it a religion as such. There's no organized structure to it. It has a faith system, a deith (self), a system of ethics, and so on. If you tack on global warming hysteria, abortion, and the rest of the left's pet ideas, you get a fully fledged religious system with an apocalypse and a system of religious penalties and indulgences.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2012 08:45 PM (r4wIV)

202 @199 "Hate to break it to you but people in government are, wait for it, people, and they have free speech just like the rest of us, don't like them talking about religion? ..."

Hate to break it to you, but "people in government" are, by definition,REPRESENTING THE GOVERNMENT. Their religious freedom applies only as private individuals - in other words, when they are NOT acting in an official capacity, and on their own time. If they want to go home (or to their church, or private organization) and praise Jesus until the cows come home, they have every right to knock themselves out. Nice strawman, though.

Handing out Jesus candy at school? I would only have a problem with that in the same way I would have a problem with some kid using his access to other students to advertise stuff for his parents. It would be an inappropriate use of public property. As long as she doesn't make a habit of it, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's a bit rude to be preaching to the other kids (they're there to be taught, not preached to), but that's life. But, again, nice strawman.

I don't know much about the Easter thing, but I doubt that fits the definition of "bigotry", and we weren't talking about that sort of thing, either. You should really try to focus more, if you're going to try to make some sort of argument.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 22, 2012 12:27 AM (As94z)

203 @200 You've attributed 3 things to atheists that are not a part of the defiinition of atheism, and so your argument is invalid, and it kind of heads south from there.

@201 You seem very confused, and you're conflating a bunch of things that often go together, but do not have to. You're making assumptions, and you know what that leads to, so I invite you to get yourself a little bettereducated on this stuff.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 22, 2012 12:53 AM (As94z)

204 Posted by: Optimizer at July 22, 2012 12:27 AM (As94z)

Get back to us when you understand what free speech means.

Posted by: booger at July 22, 2012 02:36 PM (HI6wa)

205 In the Drought region and very dry, Horses, No grass, very little hay we got thunder and lightning but no rain.
1. Anything including rain dances, Wiccan rain incantations or Christian prayers are appreciated and accepted.
2. Who is more irrational the guy who believes in a God he cannot see or the guy who is offended by the God he does not believe in?
~Brad Stine~
4. Faith and belief in something is what keeps us alive, some believe in Gods, God and Goddess, some have faith that there is no God and that is their faith.
5. We need some rain.

Posted by: HEP-T at July 22, 2012 02:49 PM (liwN2)






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