Obama On American Achievement: You're Welcome

You may think you've achieved something.

Think again, buddy.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

This is part of his Elizabeth-Warren-esque attempt to claim that the rich owe it to the country to pay higher taxes. After all, their wealth is a product of something called "The Government," which is, sort of, a representation of "The People."

The People gave the wealthy their wealth through their joint venture called The Government, and so now the Wealthy owe it to repay the people back some of this wealth.

There are a lot of problems with this formulation, but among them is this: The People may vote for Government, but only some of the people actually fund it.

The wealthy -- the very people Obama insists owe something back to the government (and then to the people) -- actually fund most of the government.

Since Obama is always talking about the Top 1%, and his new higher hypothetical taxes are intended to extract more from this Top 1%, let's look at how much of the total tax burden of the United States -- the costs of running "The Government," to which Obama claims so much is owed -- is funded by the top 1% of earners.

ewly released data from the IRS clearly debunks the conventional Beltway rhetoric that the "rich" are not paying their fair share of taxes.

Indeed, the IRS data shows that in 2007—the most recent data available—the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes collected by the federal government. This is the highest percentage in modern history. By contrast, the top 1 percent paid 24.8 percent of the income tax burden in 1987, the year following the 1986 tax reform act.

Remarkably, the share of the tax burden borne by the top 1 percent now exceeds the share paid by the bottom 95 percent of taxpayers combined. In 2007, the bottom 95 percent paid 39.4 percent of the income tax burden. This is down from the 58 percent of the total income tax burden they paid twenty years ago.

This analysis is from 2009 but won't have changed much (except that the top 1% now pay an even greater share).

So the top 1% pay 40.6% of all government costs, the next 4% pay about another 20%, and the bottom 95% pay less than 40% of all government costs.

So when Obama says that the wealthy wouldn't be where they are if not for "The Government" building roads and maintaining police -- the wealthy ought to agree, and say, "Yes, and you're welcome. We paid 40 cents out of every dollar spent on those things."

"The Government" spends money, but it has no money of its own. What it has is the power to coercively extract money from citizens. And it coerces a lot of it from the wealthy -- the wealthy pay a disproportionate amount for the roads and police and armed forces, even though they don't really use such things much more than anyone else.

Yet Obama seems to think "The Government" just came by its trillions (and borrowed trillions) by happenstance, and spent its money out of its own good heart. And he wants to be compensated for his benevolence.

Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him.

Posted by: Ace at 02:32 PM



Comments

1 We may not survive 4 more MONTHS of SCOMF!

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at July 16, 2012 02:35 PM (hyRD4)

2 What in the hell do roads and bridges have to do with anything remotely close to success in business besides transportation of already sold and manufactured goods?

Posted by: GW McLintock at July 16, 2012 02:35 PM (4/L1B)

3 Barry: You can and better thank me for all of your achievements

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 16, 2012 02:35 PM (1Jaio)

4 I guess if he helped rich people get rich, then he helped poor people get poor.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 02:36 PM (T0NGe)

5
they should call it...

Obama's Achievement Tour 2012

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 02:36 PM (9Q7Nu)

6 I don't know why I should be stunned that Preezy is unashamedly spewing the same rhetoric that every despot has preached beforehe confiscated private property of the citizens. I really thought he was more of a stealth Marxist, but I guess he's letting it all hang out. Maybe he's already looking ahead to a second term and just doesn't give a shit about keeping up a front.

Posted by: kallisto at July 16, 2012 02:36 PM (jm/9g)

7 "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"

Posted by: Isaac Newton in 2012 at July 16, 2012 02:36 PM (NXd0Q)

8 Proggers are all-projection-all-the-time. I got ahead through pull? You must have gotten ahead through pull. Simple as that.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 02:36 PM (evdj2)

9 Of course the government creates wealth. Look how wildly financially successful countries like North Korea are

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (1Jaio)

10 oh, and THE BALLS ON THESE GUYS!

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (evdj2)

11 The balls on this guy's chin!

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (6BgmB)

12 So pay ever more taxes. Ever more. Ever more.


Posted by: Isaac Newton in 2012 at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (NXd0Q)

13 I am sooo sick and tired of "somewhere in your life you had a great teacher and that is why you are successful" crap. No, I did not. Not one. Seriously. Were they competent...some, some were not.

But here is the deal..........isn't the job description of a teacher to provide instruction and guidance.....so why are we celebrating these guys and gals for doing their job.

Why not just make a speech along the lines of "if you are successful, it is because you were mailed a check. And that check just did not arrive on its own....it was brought to you by someone working for the United States Postal Service. So all your success is due to the United States Postal Service."

Makes as much sense.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (OWjjx)

14 Obama 2012 -- Collectivism Bitches!

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (bb5Xq)

15 Obama thinks that all of the government's money is his stash. What an asshat.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (ex1ST)

16 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (8y9MW)

17 I succeeded thanks to Solyndra!

Posted by: Whistling Robot Inc. at July 16, 2012 02:37 PM (bFrcG)

18

Shitting on Small Businesses.....
Yeah.
That's a winning strategy, keep doing that, Barky.

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 02:38 PM (MbB0O)

19 I'm never surprised by anything that comes out of this idiots mouth anymore.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 16, 2012 02:38 PM (l/N7H)

20
All over America people are realizing that this Obama chap isn't very inspirational.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 02:38 PM (9Q7Nu)

21 Barry Spoke, and it was so.

Posted by: MFM at July 16, 2012 02:38 PM (evdj2)

22 "I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires."

You mean volunteer fire fighting associations? Like those things? You're right, who on earth has ever heard of such a thing, it's impossible!

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 02:38 PM (VtjlW)

23 America was rich before the internet. This guy is unbelievably stupid.


Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 02:39 PM (KXm42)

24 We homeschool and take the toll road. Suck it.

Posted by: Lauren at July 16, 2012 02:39 PM (wsGWu)

25 ...not one dime......thousands of dimes!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 16, 2012 02:39 PM (Ho2rs)

26 I'm surprised he used the word "initiative" in his speech. It seems he usually tailors his speeches to second graders.

When the free-loaders start repaying the people who actually (involuntarily) support them then maybe we can talk.

Until then, he should honestly STHU. This is truly ridiculous. He's basically advocating theft and mob rule.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 16, 2012 02:39 PM (m95KA)

27 Don't all the deadbeats and failures have all the same roads, bridges and internets that the successful have used?

Posted by: Interested at July 16, 2012 02:39 PM (DnF94)

28 Lots of angry reaction on Twitter to this

Hash tag #BuiltItMyself

Some comments like "my business went under in 2010. can I blame the government for not doing enough for it?"

"I guess it was somebody else who made all those sales calls"

"Glad to know it wasn't me going without pay and taking out another loan to meet payroll"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (Y7XKa)

29 Ummm, everybody has access to these benefits (with the exception of those stuck in failing schools and who is it that is blocking school choice?), the difference is that the successful make better use of them. So no, they did not do it in a vacuum, but it was their individual effort that made them successful.

Posted by: Bane at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (Wks0m)

30
Obama's out there making a case for...mediocrity?

this campaign is nothing at all like 2008

this Obama campaign is cynical and depressing

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (9Q7Nu)

31 For this crap about how the govt made the rich by building them roads etc., here's what I said in comments on Twitchy:
On several levels:1. There have been rich people throughout history -- before roads even.2. Who built the sea lanes -- (this is a trick question for Barky)3. Airports and airplanes?4. In the olden days, roads were built by private citizens.5. Taxes were levied to build roads. Businesses paid those taxes. It is the job of the govt. to do this ... and if they can't do it, why employ them?6. Today, most road taxes (for bridges and tunnels etc cf NY) -- 66 cents out of every dollar collected -- goes not to the orad but to the govt for other purposes.7. Roads built by govt are a 2 way street: they allow regular people to live outside of congested cities and still get to work. they all regular people to purchase goods and services from a wide area. They allow regular people have freedom to roam and vote with their feet. they allow regualr people to rush to hospitals, doctors, or have policemen and firemen respond quickly to regular people in distress. And guess what? the regular people -- the common man -- is better off for the roads. But wait, isn't that part of the social contract and what govt is employed by us --- the common man -- to do? So, this "roads made rich people" argument is BS

Posted by: john b at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (R5TAD)

32 Obama will go full Chavez retard by the end of this campaign. He's over 50% of the way there, already.

I fully expect a proposal to cram down student loan and government-backed home-mortgage balances by Labor Day.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (dcoFe)

33 who on earth has ever heard of such a thing, it's impossible!

Inconceivable!

Posted by: Vizzini at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (evdj2)

34 Why does it always come back to firefighters with these pinheads?

How about answering how the jackholes in the EPA who banned fucking dust from farms help me succeed?

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (bFrcG)

35
Obama to America: You ain't so special. But that's okay, too.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 02:40 PM (9Q7Nu)

36 I have a similar post up at my place, but I'm actually thinking something different, now:

This is pure Marxism. Beyond just demagoguery, this is advocacy of actual, official collectivism. This idea that you're not responsible for you own success, but that "the people" are and that "the government" did it are right out of the Communist Manifesto.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 16, 2012 02:41 PM (8y9MW)

37 They really do think history started in 1980.

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 02:41 PM (KXm42)

38 What fucking moron on the Dims' side has watched Warren's campaign and thought "Hmm, that's some good stuff. We need to steal that for Obama's campaign!"?

Warren's a joke and the only reason she's still within spitting distance of Brown is that Massachusetts is a Dem stronghold.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 02:41 PM (e0xKF)

39 This is how Obama thinks, he believes all success, all wealth, belongs to the people collectively, and therefore the government, so no matter what the government takes he's doing it on behalf of the people. It's basically socialism.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2012 02:41 PM (bb5Xq)

40 Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him.

Ha, and you guys thought I was bad!!!

Ingrates!

Posted by: James Earl Carter Jr. at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (sbV1u)

41 Obama is more than 1/32nd Marxist.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (evdj2)

42 OK, so if everyone is in debt to everyone else for any success, is that the same as saying that O is our Affirmative Action Precedent? I mean, if I could not not achieve anything without him, doesn't it also mean that HE, the Great and Mighty O, could not achieve anything without me?

Posted by: shibumi at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (z63Tr)

43 If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Right. All the work, sweat, stress, money, intellect, initiative -- you had nothing to do with it. Fess up.

Get. This. Clown. Out.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

44 Pol Pot Obama 2012: Everything should belong to me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (1Jaio)

45 the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes collected by the federal government.

If you double their taxes and then some, they can fund the whole shebang, right?

If we just confiscated ALL their wealth, maybe we could pay down some of the debt. Then execute them so there won't be any whining.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 02:42 PM (aS5TC)

46 The SCOAMF claims that the government invented the Internet so we could make all that money from it

Algore's claim aside, the internet was invented by UCLA School of Engineering and SRI International in 1969

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:43 PM (Y7XKa)

47 If it were not for Senor Obama my drug cartel business would be under armed and unable to be successful. Gracias El Presidente.

Posted by: polynikes sanchez at July 16, 2012 02:43 PM (U7Ivf)

48 You'd think that you'd be thanking me.

Posted by: the top 1% of taxpayers at July 16, 2012 02:43 PM (evdj2)

49 Obama is more than 1/32nd Marxist.

Obama is 1/32 American at best.

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 02:43 PM (KXm42)

50 @38: There's an increasingly large number of things out of the Obama campaign where you have to stop and think "how much beer pong was responsible for *this*?"

Posted by: Ian S. at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (tqwMN)

51 This is how commie bastards feel. No surprise here. We always knew it. That he let it slip, now that surprises me some, but maybe the pressure is getting to him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (05RcU)

52 From a reminder comment on the previous thread:

The wealthy fixers (Tony Rezko)-- the very people Obama insists owe something back to the government (and then to the people) owes hiscareer to -- actually fund most of the government his house in Chicago.

Vote for Romney and the R's in November.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (hoRlu)

53 Shorter Obama: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need."

Posted by: DriveBy at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (PqT4s)

54 Gracias El Presidente.

I foresee a Thanks Barry thread in the works.

Posted by: nostradamus' 401k at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (evdj2)

55 Obama 2012: You owe us me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (1Jaio)

56

If success in the private sector is so easy why wasn't Obama successful?

Obama. Crapping on success since 1992.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 02:44 PM (9Q7Nu)

57
You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother — (Shut your mouth)

But I’m talkin’ about Shaft (Then we can dig it)

Or imagine if someone had said:

“If Isaac Hayes is credited for writing and performing Shaft, he didn’t do that. Someone else made that happen.”

You see this cat Obama is a bad mother — we can dig it

Posted by: Baron Münchhausen at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (e8kgV)

58 Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Oh, is that why ARPANET was created? Do tell.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (bFrcG)

59 .not one dime......thousands of dimes!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl


Exactly.

"I wasn't lying when I said your taxes wouldn't be raised {i}one, single dime!"

Translation: "I meant to tell when I did that thing in your mouth"

Posted by: GW McLintock at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (4/L1B)

60 So, Mistah Barry, why do people all have the same roads and shit, yet some people make fortunes and the rest of the people sit on their asses and expect those other people to pay them? What's wrong with the poor? Why can't they make use of all that shit we built for them?

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (MMC8r)

61 It's all projection.

He didn't even have a small hand in any of his own success.

But there's a bigger issue here: The culture of the Ivy League law schools plays a role. It's the only profession and education Obama's ever known. Even his undergraduate work was a prelude to law school. Even his community organizing would have been actual work without a law degree. And in the elite law schools, it's not about competence and cerebration, it's about contacts and credentials.

Take Jamie Gorelick.
Please.

She had no qualification for being at Fannie Mae except for her law degree -- the universal credential for everything. By any objective standard, she's an epic failure who keeps getting lucrative jobs. These people personify the Peter Principle.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (T0NGe)

62 The wealthy are part of "the American people" also, and the wealthy also paid for those roads, bridges, schools, etc. And they are paying for them now, through things called "taxes".

Strange thing that, eh?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - late for despot training again at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (hLRSq)

63 I get that society takes many people to run like it does now, but individual accomplishment is foreign to this doofus.
Apparently nobody does anything, it's always some nebulous other (or government.)
If you tracked a member of this "other" down, they would disappear in a contradictory puff of logic, for simultaneously making something happen, and not making something happen.

And the purpose of the internet wasn't commerce, either, but it ended up that way.

Posted by: fb at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (NXd0Q)

64 Saw this on Twitter;

"How about all those who didn't pay any taxes stay off the roads that the taxpayers built"

Not surprising that the SCOAMF would attribute success to the efforts of others, he's gone through his whole life getting his path greased by others so he could walk on it without getting his hands dirty

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (Y7XKa)

65 Let's all help Obama come to know the joys of the "private sector."

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (e8kgV)

66 We gave the black people everything that they earned.

Posted by: The Democrats at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (7+pP9)

67 well we are not all politicians or grifters making deals. for power and wealth quid pro quo or pay to play.
i realize to do that one NEEDS a helping hand .
some actually start real business's and grow bytheir own ingenuity and effort. THAT abilty is what we need more of, not a govt rthat rewards Some and Helps some. How many millions have been spent hiring how many federal empoyees and Green deals? govt. doesn't use money wisely.

Posted by: willow at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (TomZ9)

68 Maybe he thinks the public is so desperate now they'll vote for a straight up commie? He spent the 1st 4 years just putting the head in, now were ready for the serious business.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 02:46 PM (aS5TC)

69 This has such a stench of desperation on it. The best analogy they could come up for in this speech was fire departments? Because the way I see it if everyone had their own fire service there wouldn't be a lot of fires.
It sounds like he is rambling and even he knows what he is selling is BS and sounds weak. With all the liberal media in the news and Hollywood they couldn't find someone that could put together a better speech?
It sounds like their awful communication of ideas and their awful ideas are becoming one.

Posted by: Crom at July 16, 2012 02:47 PM (1WKq7)

70 Obama will go full Chavez retard by the end of this campaign. He's over 50% of the way there, already.

He wants to. You can tell he really wants to say "So what's so bad with socialism anyway?"

I think the MSM (Newsweek's 2009 cover not withstanding) will lead the way. They will have less control than he does.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 02:48 PM (T0NGe)

71 I guess we shouldn't be surprised. He's probably never put in a day's hard work in his life (take a look at his daily presidential schedule) and look where he is now. So he probably thinks that, like him, actual successful people had people propping them up. I mean, surely, they couldn't have gotten to where they are by dint of hard work.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 16, 2012 02:48 PM (m95KA)

72 Statements like this convince me that Obama will lose big. While many voters believe this, I do not think it is anywhere close to 50% of the country, certainly not 50% of the voters. This kind of talk is very radical from a presidential candidate - let alone the president. We should not fear it.

Posted by: SH at July 16, 2012 02:48 PM (gmeXX)

73 Collectivists must denigrate individual effort.

The proles might start thinking dangerous thoughts, you know.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 16, 2012 02:48 PM (Vcb44)

74 What's wrong with the poor? Why can't they make use of all that shit we built for them? Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 02:45 PM (MMC8r)

Because they're stupid or lazy.

The former deserves some consideration because it may not actually be their fault. The latter deserve nothing but contempt.

Posted by: James Earl Carter Jr. at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (sbV1u)

75 When the free-loaders start repaying the people who actually (involuntarily) support them then maybe we can talk.

That's similar to what Andrew Wilkow made mention of a few years back, something to the effect of "equal opportunity, equal responsibility"

If he really was all about everyone helping out, then he would kick half his base in the ass and tell them to get some skin in the game. Preferably, all pigmentation.

Posted by: GW McLintock at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (4/L1B)

76 Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussain Obama

Posted by: Those kids...the ones who will never have a job. at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (wsGWu)

77 "They allow regular people have freedom"


As many others have noted, that's why certain portions of Our Betters hate private car ownership. Hell, when I was getting the loaner today, I bopped out to my car to grab the chargers for my phone and GPS and snagged the mat for the GPS. Why? Because hey I might need to suddenly up and drive to Nebraska tonight. Why? Because reasons. When I have my car, I know that if anything happens I can go. If I want to run away from my life, I can. If I decide it's time to flee to the Republic of Texas, off I go!That freedom is very subversive.

As faras the whole you didn't do it yourself, I think it's time to brush off my long stated point about how I want back every party I didn't attend, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every drink I didn't drink, every movie I didn't watch, every pair of shoes I passed by, every piece of tech I don't own, etc. I want all of that back first before I hear one fucking word about what I"owe" tosociety.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (VtjlW)

78 Here is a winning attack ad. “President Obama wants to kill off the elderly with death panels… ( Screen shot of Elderly sitting under hot lamps in chairs while a “Death panel writes on clipboards giving the thumbs down sign while they are dragged away.) (Fade to Twenty somethings standing on unemployment lines or living in squalor in basements and garages)…while sacrificing our recent college graduates lives to ten years of unemployment in order to “Fundamentally transform America” into a European style Socialist nanny state! Ad narrator; ” Are your parents and grandparents expendable? are YOU expendable? Vote him out!"
Vote “Romney/_______” November Sixth, 2012

Posted by: blogforce one at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (7cXfH)

79 The rich and every other taxpayer PAID for those roads that get used by everyone including welfare queens and illegals. Paid for them with interest, and now they're paying for some hack who stamped the environmental studies forms to live in a cushy retirement



Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:49 PM (Y7XKa)

80 And the purpose of the internet wasn't commerce, either, but it ended up that way.

But it doesn't even matter. Internet/ No Internet -- the country was successful.

It's a stupid statement. Completely ignorant.

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 02:50 PM (KXm42)

81 Roads and bridges and cops and firefighters and schools do not require 40% of GDP!

Posted by: JohnW at July 16, 2012 02:50 PM (d9IaT)

82 >the "rich" are not paying their fair share of taxes.

Every year I mail in that 1040 form with enough money attached to buy someone a really nice car. I don't expect to be thanked for doing something involuntary, but could whoever is driving the Mercedes I bought this last April stop by and give me a ride in it? I want to smell the new car small and touch the fine leather just once.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 16, 2012 02:50 PM (SDkq3)

83 I hope small business owners are telling their employees that they're toast if Obama gets elected to rightly scare the heck out of them.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 16, 2012 02:50 PM (m95KA)

84 I also love that he clearly doesn't understand that all those things "someone else did" were done for profit.

That guy didn't build the road for free- he expected to be paid. That other guy didn't invent aluminum for free; he expected to be paid.

I don't "owe" anyone for those things, because that debt has already been paid. I certainly don't "owe" "the people" anything, because they didn't do anything except exist. It was specific entrepreneurs, business people, and laborers who did things, and they all got paid.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 16, 2012 02:50 PM (8y9MW)

85 More and more, businesses are surviving DESPITE the government, not because of them or some help they've provided. With over 80,000 pages of tax law and well over 150,000 pages of federal, state and local regulations, I honestly don't know how small businesses survive.
Gibson Guitars scared the hell out of me. When you have random government agencies torturing business people just because they can, that's frickin' evil.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (8UijS)

86 He has zero understanding of business, so he thinks that businesses are
created by others, not the people who own them. I think he believes
that small businesses are like kids' lemonade stands, where the mother
provides the sugar, lemons, pitcher, and cups and then the kid keeps
the money he brings in.

Which goes along with him having the intellect of a 10-year old.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (GoIUi)

87 So much for the Invisible Hand.

And yeah, the only alternative to government firefighters is everyone having their own fire service.

Imagine if the government didn't provide porn. How would people even get it?

Good thing we have a president with such a great understanding of how the free market works.

Posted by: Michael at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (Hl5ka)

88 Fire departments are local gummint, Barry. If DC disappeared off the face of the earth, the local tax man would still come around to keep our firemen and cops funded.

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (MMC8r)

89 63
I get that society takes many people to run like it does now, but individual accomplishment is foreign to this doofus.

"I won"

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (e8kgV)

90 And your kid wouldn't be alive today if the paralegal didn't admininister a breathalizer!

Posted by: Barky O'Doofus at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (xCxXI)

91 Maybe he can ask Skank Eva Longoria for some extra taxes when he's poluting my state today.

OT: I got a call from Obama for America on my cell yesterday. I'm on the Federal 'Don't Bother' list. Did they break the law?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (UU0OF)

92 It takes a village to make the first gay president.

Posted by: Cricket at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (DrC22)

93 Roads and bridges and cops and firefighters and schools do not require 40% of GDP!

Exactly right. They use cops, fire, roads and bridges as human shields for their bureaucratic monstrosities.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (T0NGe)

94 Rent seeking corporations and tycoons like Buffett, Soros, GE, GM, and Goldman Sachs may have made their billions because of government favor, but I don't think that's what the SCOAMF meant by that little chat

This one was a far greater insult than his "bitter clingers" speech

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (Y7XKa)

95 Businesses are a success in spite of the government and not because of it.

Posted by: polynikes at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (bxpf3)

96 Civilization: How does it f*cking work?

Posted by: Mensa Soetoro at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (/ZZCn)

97 This is pure Marxism. Beyond just demagoguery, this is advocacy of actual, official collectivism. This idea that you're not responsible for you own success, but that "the people" are and that "the government" did it are right out of the Communist Manifesto.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 16, 2012 02:41 PM (8y9MW)


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Why do you think I've been calling him a marxist from the beginning? One of the other things marxists do is rip and tear out the traditional values of a nation in order to insert their collectivism. Marriage, military, national pride, sovereignty, etc., have all been on the chopping block with this regime.

Posted by: Soona at July 16, 2012 02:52 PM (KQuZj)

98 "How about all those who didn't pay any taxes stay off the roads that the taxpayers built"

Ya gotta love the leftist suspension of disbelief. This would include the millions upon millions of the unwashed masses that they claim to champion.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 16, 2012 02:53 PM (vbh31)

99 Please please PLEASE let this dumb fuck make this a central theme of his campaign. Pissing off every business owner in the country is a great way to get started.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff the Infidel Comic at July 16, 2012 02:53 PM (z7X0E)

100 I think he believes
that small businesses are like kids' lemonade stands, where the mother
provides the sugar, lemons, pitcher, and cups and then the kid keeps
the money he brings in.


Solyndra was pretty much just like that. Except "mom" was the taxpayer.

Posted by: Cicero at July 16, 2012 02:54 PM (QKKT0)

101 Barack "High Cheekbones" Obama: campaigning like Massachusetts is in play.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 16, 2012 02:54 PM (TOk1P)

102 I assume that government is "helping" the coal mining companies by "necessarily going bankrupt"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 02:54 PM (Y7XKa)

103
If this is Future Obama, it is correct. If you are successful, it is because someone in government made you successful by giving you a contract.

This really is the future.

Posted by: Invictos at July 16, 2012 02:55 PM (OQpzc)

104

Theoretically, had a public restroom not been available to
me on the Ohio Turnpike while going to a meeting with a large customer when I
first starting my company, I probably would have shit myself and lost the
order.



Thank you, Barack Obama.

Posted by: jwest at July 16, 2012 02:55 PM (ZDsRL)

105 Thomas Edison didn't invent the light bulb. The PEOPLE invented the light bulb.

Posted by: Barry Dumbama at July 16, 2012 02:56 PM (Ux3ST)

106 But it doesn't even matter. Internet/ No Internet -- the country was successful.

Indeed. The Proggers use this because, to the yutes, tweetface is the highest achievement of civilization.

I vote for indoor plumbing and running water.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 02:56 PM (evdj2)

107 Pissing off every business owner in the country is a great way to get started.

I think Obama truly believes he can win without their support.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 16, 2012 02:56 PM (vbh31)

108 'i can do nothing without you', citizen of the world.
've almost made it true i guess. they've been picking winners and shutting american companys down. oil, coal, regulate everyone not to their liking out of business?

Posted by: willow at July 16, 2012 02:56 PM (TomZ9)

109 remember when having a lemonaide stand wasn't illegal?

Posted by: willow at July 16, 2012 02:57 PM (TomZ9)

110 I invented the internet. Bitches.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 02:57 PM (GvYeG)

111 I vote for indoor plumbing and running water.

Having spent a week in the Mountains of New Mexico with neither, let me add my vote for those.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 16, 2012 02:57 PM (8y9MW)

112 to the yutes, tweetface is the highest achievement of civilization

Heh.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 16, 2012 02:58 PM (vbh31)

113 We are strong.

We are invincible.

We are marxists, college professors, welfare recipients, illegal aliens, and the dead.

Posted by: Obama's coalition of voters at July 16, 2012 02:58 PM (wsGWu)

114 Hey if working to make money is so evil, you'd think that all those public employees in Scranton would be thrilled to be making minimum wage.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 02:58 PM (VtjlW)

115 I had this discussion on Twitter this morning. Obama knows most people have not experienced what it takes to run their own business. It's another facet of class warfare, and it is Marxism.

And more than ever, it puts neighbor against neighbor.

Posted by: grognard at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (NS2Mo)

116 Abortions for some, 4G for all!

Posted by: president choom at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (evdj2)

117 Obama 2012: If you're dumb enough to believe the shit I say, you're dumb enough to vote for me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (1Jaio)

118 the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes collected by the federal government.

That stat is kind of meaningless without the percentage the top 1% make of all money earned. To my understanding, that figure is between 17 and 18%. To my mind, that utterly destroys the argument that the rich aren't paying their "fair share."

But without that added information, the 40.4% figure doesn't really say anything.

Posted by: wallydog at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (TTXVN)

119 Hear us roar.

Posted by: Obama's coalition of voters at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (wsGWu)

120 107
Pissing off every business owner in the country is a great way to get started.

I think Obama truly believes he can win without their support.


Posted by: Soap MacTavish at July 16, 2012 02:56 PM (vbh31)

There are more takers than makers now and their votes count equally. Which means that yes, he really CAN win without their support, and it sucks.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (RD7QR)

121
102I assume that government is "helping" the coal mining companies by "necessarily going bankrupt"

Yeah. ....And all those Smoke Shops that will have to close, because of that thing that was tacked onto the Highway Bill.
That was some lethal..."help".

Small businesses have become an endangered species under this president.

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 02:59 PM (MbB0O)

122 If government is the engine that drives business, then why is the overbearing government that runs California losing businesses to "help"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 03:00 PM (Y7XKa)

123
Obama to America: You were nothing before I came along. Nothing.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 03:00 PM (9Q7Nu)

124 >>>Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him.

This shows the most inverted concept of our country that I have ever seen. The individual industry has always come first in this country, with Government to follow later after industrious individuals established themselves and built new societies.

The Government has always depended on the entrepreneur and the industrious, to do most of the work of establishing society, building all of the businesses, dwellings, tilling the land, producing necessary goods, and once the society was viable, then the Government using taxes drawn from the viable society came in and enhanced it with infrastructure.

It has always been that way here. Make money first, then when you can, fund the community.





Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 16, 2012 03:00 PM (0q2P7)

125 I vote for indoor plumbing and running water.

I live in Houston so I vote Air Conditioning.

Willis Haviland Carrier praise be upon him.

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 03:00 PM (KXm42)

126 Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him.

The country might not survive the first Obama term.

Electing Romney this November doesn't mean the country dodges a bullet - Obama's already emptied a clip of .45 ACP into good old Uncle Sam - one bullet was ObamaCare, another was the "Porkulus", another the increased debt, another the Executive Order Dream Act, another was Kagan, and another was Sotomayor, another was the assault on the Catholic Church (and the effects that has on the 1st Amendment)....

And Obama's reloading. See the UN "Small Arms" treaty as a bullet Obama's loading into his clip.

Uncle Sam is lying on the ground, bleeding. The choice for voters this November is pretty simple:

1. Elect Romney and see if he can give Uncle Sam the medical attention he needs...
2. Elect Obama and let him finish Uncle Sam off - which *will* lead to American balkanization and a bloody civil war.

Posted by: Naqamel at July 16, 2012 03:00 PM (UMwMT)

127 Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created
the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the
Internet.


Alexander Graham Bell was a gummint agency? Whatashock.

Does Lord Sissypants want me to believe that no one in private industry would have thought to take the phone lines that private industry strung and use them for data transmission instead of voice? That goes way, way back in many forms.


Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 03:01 PM (MMC8r)

128 He just needs to tell better stories because he tries really hard.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:01 PM (GvYeG)

129
We have roads that lead pretty much everywhere. When they talk about "roads" and "infrastructure", they are talking about repaving, which has pretty much zero impact on anything except the bottom lines of the large repaving contractors.

Posted by: ejo at July 16, 2012 03:01 PM (YKnMC)

130 Barry's been down the the OWS site toking a little weed and came up with this shit.

I guess everyone that works will have no question that they are all slaves to the government and should be happy.

This is fucking war. He has shown his socialist fucking hand, now we must kick his ass.

This is it fuckers, last chance.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 16, 2012 03:01 PM (KZI7g)

131 Yeah, that cooked dog didn't kill and dress itself, but it sure was tasty, - if a little tough. Thanks, Dad #4!

Posted by: Mensa Soetoro at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (/ZZCn)

132
meanwhile in a dorm room somewhere...

a skinny guy with big ears and purple lips is smoking a bowl...and somehow, making Microsoft and IBM very successful

Posted by: 1988 at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (9Q7Nu)

133 Barack Obama: Because Upton Sinclair wasn't left enough.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (TOk1P)

134 The only plus that comes out of this is that I won't need my kids to try and slog through 1200 pages Atlas Shrugged now.

They are witnessing it happen and living through it in amazing technicolor...

Posted by: H Badger at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (n/0Nw)

135 I guess that's the big reason my car company failed. The government was helping GM and Ford instead of me

Posted by: Preston Tucker at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (Y7XKa)

136 I know people who have started businesses.
They risk losing their personal savings that they invested in their business.
If they take out a second mortgage, they risk their home.
They risk defaulting on any bank loans.
They work 16 + hours a day. Sometimes 24. 6-7 days a week.
They have to put up with local, state, and federal government inflicting new taxes, license requirements, inspections (which the business owner must pay for), fees, and regulations on them.

Most fail. Those that succeed and become rich have to put up with ignorant liberals bitching about how they don't deserve their wealth.

I know people who have started successful businesses and I know people who have failed at starting businesses. I wouldn't do it. It is much easier to work for someone else.

Obama is an azzhole. Sorry, about the bad language, but he doesn't have a clue about how things work in the real world.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (HAnzX)

137 The government wouldn't be here without the citizens' money. God, that man is an ass.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:03 PM (GvYeG)

138 That's such bullshit, neo-con wingnuts, if we don't fix the crumbling infrastructure and stop the city by city fires consuming all the jobs in flames, then this country will never be prosperous again like it was when King George gave the colonists roads and firefighters. That's right, no one ever did anything before there were unionized firefighters.

signed,
xxoo
E. Warren and other idiot liberal "economists"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 16, 2012 03:03 PM (QxSug)

139 If it were not for government funded programs I would never had been successful enough to buy my 1.65 million dollar mansion and my wife would not have been able to get that sweet $200,000 raise.

Posted by: Obama- Man of the People at July 16, 2012 03:03 PM (B2fm1)

140 50
@38: There's an increasingly large number of things out of the Obama
campaign where you have to stop and think "how much beer pong was
responsible for *this*?"

They're running out of arguments to use in their favor, so we're seeing shit like this... and it's just July. As mentioned elsewhere, imagine what they'll be throwing against the wall come October if they're getting no positive movement right now with everything they've been using.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 03:04 PM (e0xKF)

141
via magic and the power of socialism, student Obama is making The Man very wealthy

Posted by: 1988 at July 16, 2012 03:04 PM (9Q7Nu)

142 no one in private industry would have thought to take the phone lines that private industry strung and use them for data transmission instead of voice

Miss me yet?

Posted by: IBM 5394 V.25bis Autodial at July 16, 2012 03:04 PM (evdj2)

143 Hey Barky, this dog won't ear itself!

Eat me!

Posted by: Killerdog at July 16, 2012 03:04 PM (Z3f4B)

144 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
---
I would like to hear his companion piece..
"If you were a failure..."

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (SO2Q8)

145 Tax Communism.

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (MMC8r)

146 "I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires."

OK, now he's speechfying and distorting on something with which I have first-hand experience. I'm not a lawyer so I keep quiet on legal issues, I was never in the military so I keep (reasonably) quiet on defense issues, but dammit I was a fireman for 25 years and I've breathed more burning wood, rubber, paint, insulation and assorted industrial materials in a single afternoon than all the choom smoke this SCOAMF has inhaled in his entire sorry ass red-diapered existence.

Individuals fight fires. Individuals who decide to trust each other and watch out for each other and stand with each other against a common foe. In a burning building you don't rely on somebody else to do your job, you don't worry about whether or not anybody else is doing their job, you DO *YOUR* F*CKING JOB- and the composite effort of many people doing their respective jobs is what puts out the fire.

Fires do not get put out without INDIVIDUALS each doing their respective jobs.

This BS coming out of the Obama campaign is very insidious. It is the Communist idea that individuals in and of themselves have no worth. That the only thing giving a person any worth is what they contribute to the collective.

It is the first step down the slippery slope to the gulags.

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (0FQ+M)

147 he had another great line today. he's complaining that Washington is just as broken today as it was 4 years ago. so Obama 2012: he hasn't fixed shit and admits it!

Posted by: buzzion at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (XRas7)

148 Tax Stupidity.

How do you measure stupidity? If you're dumb enough to vote for a Democrat, you're stupid - and you pay 100%.

Posted by: Naqamel at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (UMwMT)

149 >>>and the bottom 95% pay less than 40% of all government costs.

Just think about that, on average one out of every twenty people pays more in taxes then the other 19 combined, and that person needs to pony up for his fair share 'cause he's short changing everyone else.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (0q2P7)

150 Actually, I hate to harsh on this, but--what percent of every dollar spent was borrowed?

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (GBXon)

151 "The country will not survive four more years of him."

You are far, far too optimistic.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at July 16, 2012 03:06 PM (RM/vV)

152 In fairness, when the internet goes down, I blame the SCoaMF.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:06 PM (evdj2)

153 I think the country will croak within nine months if that son of a whore is re-elected.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at July 16, 2012 03:06 PM (RM/vV)

154 Of course the SCOAMF will make a speech this week about how much he's done for small businesses with his tax incentives no one seems to know about and the "savings" that Obamacaretax will bring them

I'm sure some Julia with a coffee shop that now employs 100 people in San Francisco will be his anecdotal evidence

Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2012 03:06 PM (Y7XKa)

155 Obama: all your success are belong to government.

-----

What the Marxist in chief is actually advocating is taxation based on the extnt to which individuals use public resources. He's not bright enough to figure out that for most of the wealthy, paying according to the extent they use public resources would mean a fraction of the tax bill they bear under the "progressive" income tax, while the low income layabouts that form the core of Obama's base would pay exponentially more because they use much more of the programs of Leviathan / big government.

He's not even a competent Marxist - although I'm sure he'll get the gulag part down right...

Posted by: That's Dr. Pecker to you, Biden... at July 16, 2012 03:06 PM (uMpgc)

156 I want to thank all of you that helped me pay my way through college. I sold books door to door and made a lot of money. Thank God you wonderful people put down those sidewalks so I wouldn't have to walk in the street.

Praise be to you all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (KZI7g)

157 "I had this discussion on Twitter this morning. Obama knows most people have not experienced what it takes to run their own business."


They will. My new pet horse to beat is the idea that within the next few years everyone is going to be moved from employee status to contractor status. Why the hell should any company have any employees? Oh, I know, I know, there will be attempts to pass legislation that outlaws this practice but it's coming hard and fast. At that point everyone will know just what it takes.

My oldboss used to say that he didn't understand why people wanted to work for others though he was glad they did. I told him pointblank it was because I didn't want to have to deal withfreaking out about making payroll and getting my clients to pay me and dealing withallof the various taxing authorities and all the other stuff it takes to run a business. He blinked and admitted he'd never thought about it like that. I bit my tongue to say of course not because your company is 50 years old so when youstarted you didn't have to do all this shit.Now he could afford to pay others to do it for him.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (VtjlW)

158 153 -

Shut your mouth! You know that man's mother never did an honest days whoring in her life!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (TOk1P)

159 I used to joke in 2008 about the Mayans... I said.. "If Barack Obama wins, we might WANT the World to End in 2012.".

I was right. Armageddon no longer bothers me. If Obama's vision is truly the direction this country is going to head, and he's going to win a second term...

... then Christ can't return fast enough.

Posted by: Naqamel at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (UMwMT)

160
It was my skin color, and govt programs that got me admitted to Harvard and appointed to the Harvard Law Review editor position. Even though I never actually wrote any scholarly legal works.

And it works the same way for small businesses.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 16, 2012 03:08 PM (wUFaM)

161
I hope small business owners are telling their employees that they're
toast if Obama gets elected to rightly scare the heck out of them.


I teach and coach at a private Christian school and I sat down to talk with a successful business owner (plenty at our school and I tell our Zombie voters we will lose some families if things stay the way they are) and he said that's exactly what he does.

He has meetings with all of his employees, goes over the balance sheet, shows them what will happen if Obama stays in and shows the number of jobs he will be forced to shed if the ACA stays on the books and if this clown gets re-elected.

He is very gracious and he has had a few employees who were supporters of Obama seek further 'education' with him.


Posted by: GW McLintock at July 16, 2012 03:08 PM (4/L1B)

162 I probably would have shit myself and lost the order.

Always travel with a roll of paper towels in the car. and an empty 2L bottle to piss in in emergencies. Viva brand is the closest to TP in texture. And travel in shorts and a t-shirt that you change out of before meeting the client.

Hard lessons learned on the road by an ex-road warrior

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 03:08 PM (aS5TC)

163 To those yutes who say Facebook is the height of civilization:

http://is.gd/rEHdnX

Posted by: Jay in Ames at July 16, 2012 03:08 PM (UEEex)

164
We may not survive 4 more MONTHS of SCOMF!


It's the months between the election and the inaugural that concern me.

Posted by: Retread at July 16, 2012 03:08 PM (I2fq9)

165 Just let him and his campaign keep talking. They are taking the one thing that he still has going for him -his "likability" and are chipping it away.

Independents who are still undecided are going to get extremely turned off by someone who talks down other people's successes

Posted by: @huffpeter at July 16, 2012 03:09 PM (NHNJt)

166 What Barky is saying is he wouldn't be present without Soros.

Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2012 03:10 PM (uIz80)

167 http://is.gd/rEHdnX

Heh. Father928 has always said We went to the Moon on three decimal places!

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:10 PM (evdj2)

168 164 It's the months between the election and the inaugural that concern me.

Yeah, me too. I think there's a couple things that will spark widespread rioting: Zimmerman getting acquitted, and Obama losing (badly) in November.

Keep the ammo dry, folks. I pray you don't need it to protect yourselves.

Posted by: Naqamel at July 16, 2012 03:11 PM (UMwMT)

169 My proudest achievement is actually stabilizing the economy to avert a great depression, because if I don’t do that nothing else matters,” Obama said. “And the central question becomes building on what we’ve done. Where do we go from here

Posted by: willow at July 16, 2012 03:11 PM (TomZ9)

170 Good for you, Barack!

Posted by: Fauxcahontas Warren at July 16, 2012 03:11 PM (3BAnd)

171
I've helped lots of people with money and time. The only thing they ever did was screw me.

Posted by: Jack at July 16, 2012 03:11 PM (wUFaM)

172 You wingnut haters don't know how much the government means to your success! I hate to think where I'd be if the government wasn't there to send me my allowance guide me

Posted by: Meghan McCain at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (Y7XKa)

173 ATC, I know for sure that lots of companies would be happy to shed the HR headaches of having full-time employees. That's why a lot of big companies can't wait to shed their health-care plans and pay the ObamaCare penalty. Huge savings on overhead and, if memory serves, they won't have to compensate you for the lost benefit. Win-win big companies, lose-lose us.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

174 Slide rules rock. No batteries/chargers, and they keep working after an EMP.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (aS5TC)

175 You'd think they'd be thanking me.

Posted by: Buh-rock O-bah-muhh, SCOAMF at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (3BAnd)

176 Just for me and not reflecting on anyone else; if the SCOAMT wins and no state proposes secession or the the individuals who've been working for living don't rise up,........I'm quitting my job and going on welfare. There's no more sense in doing anything else.

Posted by: Soona at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (KQuZj)

177
I don't foresee any unrest if Obama loses. Even his supporters will be breathing a sigh of relief. Secretly, of course.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (9Q7Nu)

178 Can Bambi explain how the government creates wealth? I would love to see that ****sucker asked that question with a camera trained on him live and given three hours to come up with an answer. It would be like Billy Madison on HGH.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at July 16, 2012 03:12 PM (Ux3ST)

179 This is what liberals don't get:
Gubmint will never get enough of our money.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:13 PM (HAnzX)

180 158
153 -



Shut your mouth! You know that man's mother never did an honest days whoring in her life!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (TOk1P)

Well that's probably true, if she was a sex worker, Barry would probably know more about business.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 16, 2012 03:13 PM (KZI7g)

181 This Obama/Warren screed makes me seethe with the white hot intensity of ten thousand suns. When I started in business, my ever-so-helpful gub'mint was waiting at the door at the end of each 14-hour day to collect its share. My paychecks in those early days were iffy; the gub'mint's paychecks were assured. In this great partnership of ours, I was the minority partner. I'm STILL the lesser partner, but at least now I get to enjoy some of the benefits. Because I worked my way past the gub'mint obstacles that tried to keep me from expanding. I think of the safety net of Social Security that is not waiting for me someday, and I wonder how I recover all of the extra hours I worked because some state, local or federal government agency told me no and asked for a check, and then added staggering interest rates and penalties on me if I was unable to pay what I wasn't able to earn that month.

Pardon me if I don't thank my ever-helpful government partner. Putzes.

Posted by: Jack Sunday at July 16, 2012 03:13 PM (bSdea)

182 We made that host what he is today.

Anemic.

Posted by: Leeches and Lamprey Eels at July 16, 2012 03:14 PM (MMC8r)

183
Let's turn this around.....

If the Government "made that happen"....then it doesn't need our help.
It doesn't need our Taxes.
It doesn't need all those Taxes....on everything.
It's the all-powerful Government.
It does everything...all by itself.

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 03:14 PM (MbB0O)

184
Yeah, me too. I think there's a couple things
that will spark widespread rioting: Zimmerman getting acquitted, and
Obama losing (badly) in November.



Keep the ammo dry, folks. I pray you don't need it to protect yourselves.

Posted by: Naqamel at July 16, 2012 03:11 PM (UMwMT)

Also, the lame-duck session of Congress. And if he loses he will pardon all and sundry, and issue the most damaging executive orders possible. It'll be a dangerous time.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at July 16, 2012 03:14 PM (RD7QR)

185 You know, this really galls.

I would still hate having my money taken from me at gunpoint by the government, but it would hurt a little less if every now and then some dem would say "Thank you, American taxpayer, for all that you do for this country." Instead it's "We hate you, and we love the folks sucking off the government teat, so keep sending in those checks, greedy bastards." The left HATES the people who are actually paying the bills. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Palandine at July 16, 2012 03:14 PM (g7D8V)

186 I'm not sure we can fault SCOAMF for this statement. He didn't do shit, yet somehow found hisself in the oval office.

He really believes that someone else works, and you benefit.

Posted by: MJ at July 16, 2012 03:14 PM (TR60b)

187 " Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."

Allowed. The "System". "Unbelievable". "Somebody".

That's quite a statement, there, Barry.

Posted by: mrp at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (HjPtV)

188
Israeli officials: Clinton pressing for PA incentives package
Officials in Jerusalem say visiting US secretary of state urging government to transfer small arms to PA, release prisoners to jumpstart peace process
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 07.16.12, 21:05 / Israel News



US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is pressuring the Israeli government to offer a new package of incentives to entice Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to return to the negotiating table, officials in Jerusalem said Monday evening.

The definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again and expecting different results. A person that stupid probably thinks the Muslim Brotherhood will moderate their views?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (05RcU)

189 Can Bambi explain how the government creates wealth?

By confiscating yours of course.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (aS5TC)

190 Isn't it awful how the Chamber of Commerce isn't more supportive of Obama.
The racists!

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (HAnzX)

191 You mean y'all didn't get you some Obama money?

Posted by: Obama's coalition of voters at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (BEZki)

192 That's called the "general welfare". Those roads and firehouses and internet benefit the schlub on the couch just as much as the hard-working entrepreneur.

Posted by: jd at July 16, 2012 03:15 PM (wa3LG)

193 Nobody. Listened.

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at July 16, 2012 03:16 PM (aZcPb)

194 Obama's newest campaign slogan: Mope and complain! Forward comrades. More moping for a sadder economy.

Posted by: Tia maria tio Jim's favorite drink at July 16, 2012 03:16 PM (lYJJc)

195 Barry probably wouldn't have any trouble starting up a business, - but he'd end up bankrupt from toking up all of his profits.

Posted by: Fritz at July 16, 2012 03:16 PM (/ZZCn)

196 Well, the good thing about this shit?

Throwing red meat to the Republicans is certainly going to motivate them.

The fear of loss is a hell of a lot bigger motivator that the hope of gain.

This is a wake up call and I think the country is going to hear it.

Get to work!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at July 16, 2012 03:16 PM (KZI7g)

197 "We are marxists, college professors, welfare recipients, illegal aliens, and the dead.
Posted by: Obama's coalition of voters"

Um, you left out the dogs that they are registering to vote.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:17 PM (HAnzX)

198 Yeah, me too. I think there's a couple things that will spark widespread
rioting: Zimmerman getting acquitted, and Obama losing (badly) in
November.


I think Zimmerman's acquittal will bring nothing but bleating on TV.

There won't be local rioting because...the locals have guns.

Maybe there will be riots in South Central or somewhere.

I do think there's a contingent that wants to riot and are just looking for an excuse.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 03:17 PM (T0NGe)

199 God has helped me out in my business. Family has helped. But government? Please, they do everything possible to get in the way of that between licensing, fees, taxes, regulations, etc.

Posted by: Arcadehero at July 16, 2012 03:17 PM (zt7SE)

200 "Just think about that, on average one out of every twenty people pays more in taxes then the other 19 combined, and that person needs to pony up for his fair share 'cause he's short changing everyone else."

A few years ago, one of my Lefty friends was bitching about something, I don't remember what, and I finally snapped and screamed at her "I paid more in taxes then you made last year. Shut. The. Fuck. Up. I paid for that shit, you didn't, so I get say what happens. You. Don't." She got all pissy back and then the BFF hauled me off to pour drinks down my throat.I still think my point was valid. I paid for it. I get to say.

"ATC, I know for sure that lots of companies would be happy to shed the HR headaches of having full-time employees"

Boy BFF's specialty is HR and he's having a helluva time finding a job because a. no one is hiring so they don't need HR and b. so many companies are going to temp/contract workers. I've told him he should start a company specializing in doing HR work for small businesses. I know a lot of places can't afford a dedicated person but would pay for someone to spend a few hours a week dealing with the bullshit so they can to out and make more sales calls, etc. He's considering it because why not.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (VtjlW)

201 that allowed you to thrive

He forgot the part about tossing you aside like used condom when there's any problems. I've NEVER seen a town give a landlord a tax break when they were carrying a 50% vacancy rate or a tenant caused $5,000 in damage. NEVER. EVER.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (aS5TC)

202 Don't worry Captain we'll buff out those scratches.

Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (uIz80)

203 181
This Obama/Warren screed makes me seethe with the white hot intensity
of ten thousand suns. When I started in business, my ever-so-helpful
gub'mint was waiting at the door at the end of each 14-hour day to
collect its share. My paychecks in those early days were iffy; the
gub'mint's paychecks were assured. In this great partnership of ours, I
was the minority partner. I'm STILL the lesser partner, but at least
now I get to enjoy some of the benefits. Because I worked my way past
the gub'mint obstacles that tried to keep me from expanding. I think of
the safety net of Social Security that is not waiting for me someday,
and I wonder how I recover all of the extra hours I worked because some
state, local or federal government agency told me no and asked for a
check, and then added staggering interest rates and penalties on me if
I was unable to pay what I wasn't able to earn that month. Pardon me if I don't thank my ever-helpful government partner. Putzes.

Boiled down- Obama is taking the role of mobster Paulie Vario in Goodfellas with regards to business.

"You had a bad week? Fuck you, pay me. Had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. World war III broke out in the lounge? Fuck you, pay me."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (e0xKF)

204 Posted by: buzzion at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (XRas7)
___

Yeah I heard blurbs of him pissing andmoaning about "Washington" (aka GOP House). I had to laugh. Preezy don't give a shit about broke Washington or fixed Washington. Preezy just cranks out another EO or six, or directs his admin flunkies to enact extraconstitutional edicts. He just has to play the victim card - over and over, ad nauseum. Because the Perpetually Aggrieved icon is the hero of the American Leftard.

Posted by: kallisto at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (jm/9g)

205 I teach and coach at a private Christian school

I just realized I typed 'hell' and 'ass' in a derogatory manner. Ouchy.
Sorry for the misrepresentin'!

Posted by: GW McLintock at July 16, 2012 03:19 PM (4/L1B)

206 What's all the fuss about?

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at July 16, 2012 03:19 PM (KZI7g)

207 That's called the "general welfare". Those roads and firehouses and internet benefit the schlub on the couch just as much as the hard-working entrepreneur.
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I think the point is that Obama doesn't understand that taxes support the roads, firehouses, etc, and are paid by the entrepreneur.

He believes that 'corporate jet owners' sit in an office, light a cigar with a hundred dollar bill, and twirl their mustache. He's in over his head precisely because of his inability to think beyond cliches.

Posted by: MJ at July 16, 2012 03:20 PM (TR60b)

208 My wife, who has never voted in her 45 years asked me the other day by when does she need to register to vote so she can vote against the JEF.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 16, 2012 03:20 PM (kSaUf)

209 I never got a job from someone on food stamps.

Posted by: Nukie at July 16, 2012 03:21 PM (sv/s3)

210 If you help him, he'll help you.

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at July 16, 2012 03:21 PM (KZI7g)

211 I guess that's the big reason my car company failed. The government was helping GM and Ford instead of me
Posted by: Preston Tucker at July 16, 2012 03:02 PM (Y7XKa)


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What did the SCOAMT regime do to help Ford?

Posted by: Soona at July 16, 2012 03:21 PM (KQuZj)

212 How many firemen and cops could we have got with that Solyndra money, Barry?

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 03:22 PM (MMC8r)

213 **198 Yeah, me too. I think there's a couple things that will spark widespread
rioting: Zimmerman getting acquitted, and Obama losing (badly) in
November.**

fuck em, riot, bitches.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 16, 2012 03:22 PM (QxSug)

214 Also, the lame-duck session of Congress. And if he loses he will pardon
all and sundry, and issue the most damaging executive orders possible.
It'll be a dangerous time.


This is what I had in mind with my original comment, rather than the reaction of the general public. Does anyone know if there is a requirement to publicly disclose Executive Orders? Or might we not know until the Romney Administration tells us what SCOAMF did on his way out the door?

Posted by: Retread at July 16, 2012 03:22 PM (I2fq9)

215 "76 Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussain Obama
Posted by: Those kids...the ones who will never have a job."

You're such a cynic. Some of them will work 16 hours a week at the Dollar Store and collect free food stamps, rent money, earned income tax credit cash, medicaid, free child-care, two free meals a day for their kids, free cell phones, free air conditioners, and various grants that they manage to sniff out.

And if Obama gets re-elected, the sky's the limit on free stuff.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:22 PM (HAnzX)

216 I'm not sure we can fault SCOAMF for this statement. He didn't do shit, yet somehow found hisself in the oval office.

And he just read the words some 20-something trustafarian Ivy League legacy put in the TelePrompter.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (ZKzrr)

217
I never got a job from someone on food stamps.


Deal dope.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (aS5TC)

218 I still think my point was valid. I paid for it. I get to say.

But that's the whole point of the fairness. You pay and someone else gets to say.

The only way it makes any sense at all is if it wasn't your money to begin with.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (T0NGe)

219 I think Zimmerman's acquittal will bring nothing but bleating on TV.

There won't be local rioting because...the locals have guns.

Maybe there will be riots in South Central or somewhere.

I do think there's a contingent that wants to riot and are just looking for an excuse.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 16, 2012 03:17 PM (T0NGe)

The Latest: They are trying now to slime Zimmerman with a charge that when he was 8, yeah 8?, he molested a 6 year old girl? And this is the "witness" that says Zimmerman hates blacks. Yeah great "witness".

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (05RcU)

220 Gee, I wonder why everyone isn't equally successful since the government is the driver of all this success.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (61yvg)

221 But really, Obama's tacking hard left now? WTF. How stupid is h...
never mind.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (QxSug)

222
My oldboss used to say that he didn't understand why people wanted to work for others though he was glad they did. I told him pointblank it was because I didn't want to have to deal withfreaking out about making payroll and getting my clients to pay me and dealing withallof the various taxing authorities and all the other stuff it takes to run a business. He blinked and admitted he'd never thought about it like that. I bit my tongue to say of course not because your company is 50 years old so when youstarted you didn't have to do all this shit.Now he could afford to pay others to do it for him.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Now with more ELE! at July 16, 2012 03:07 PM (VtjlW)


That must've been when you worked for Dunder Mifflin.

Posted by: Scrantonesian at July 16, 2012 03:23 PM (7+pP9)

223 Don't forget, there is another part of this rant left unspoken: That if they don't give their property "voluntarily" to the government, it will be taken by "roving bands of thieves."

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 16, 2012 03:24 PM (kSaUf)

224 But I am a generous god. For I am wise and I am kind. I just require a token of your submission.

Posted by: Xerxes Obama at July 16, 2012 03:24 PM (Y+wkX)

225 He already is going crazy with executive orders. If he pardons people, oh well, clinton pardoned Marc Rich and somehow the left doesn't care.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 16, 2012 03:24 PM (QxSug)

226
How many jobs were killed when Barky's lackey at GM closed down all those GM dealerships....the ones that were owned by Republicans.

Answer: ....Thousands.

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 03:24 PM (MbB0O)

227 Posted by: Miss Marple at July 16, 2012 02:51 PM (GoIUi)

Heck, my 10 year old knows better since I made *her* pay for the cups and supplies for her stand. Didn't have the heart to tell her about taxes though. There'll be plenty of other years to kill that entrepreneurial spirit.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at July 16, 2012 03:24 PM (h6HiH)

228 Obama must denigrate achievement because he's had none of his own.

Posted by: Cicero at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (QKKT0)

229 there's a contingent that wants to riot and are just looking for an excuse.

That would be us.

Posted by: Looters and Vandals Local 326 at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (aS5TC)

230 And he just read the words some 20-something trustafarian Ivy League legacy put in the TelePrompter.
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That certainly explains why all of his speeches are written at an eighth grade level.

Posted by: MJ at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (TR60b)

231
>>Slide rules rock. No batteries/chargers, and they keep working after an EMP.

I just today was looking on Amazon because I want to buy one so that the kids and I can learn how to use it.

I didn't really find one. Well, I found some but I have no idea what I should get.

Advice would greatly be appreciated!

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (SUKHu)

232 '... and stop the city by city fires consuming all the jobs in flames,
signed,
xxoo
E. Warren and other idiot liberal "economists" '

You're a fan of Devil's Night? Cool.

Posted by: Detroit at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (HAnzX)

233
Oh, okay. So, yeah, you're the valedictorian at your school, but don't think that makes you smarter than anyone else or that you tried harder than anyone else. It was because of some great teacher somewhere. WE built those roads to get you to school. WE paid for your school books.And, government research is responsible for your high SAT scores. Don't even think of thanking Mom and Dad; you should be thanking your government.

Posted by: sydney jane at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (Cklj4)

234 @225, I heard last week that Denise Rich is renouncing her American citizenship, because taxes are too high. Heh.

Posted by: Palandine at July 16, 2012 03:26 PM (g7D8V)

235 #46

There was rather more to it than that. That it was largely funded by the government is not in question. (The best book I've seen on the people and process is 'Where Wizards stay Up Late.' http://tinyurl.com/7v4y9pk ) But it was primarily under the aegis of the DoD to better achieve its goals. Which is to say, it was an effort by one of the very few government agencies actually specified by the Constitution.

But this was not remotely a project with commercial applications in mind and there was no such need for it to be considered a success. The immense financial return that has resulted came from clever people working under their own motivation to make something that had never existed before and that the government would never have done.

So yes, a DoD project provided the proof of concept for building a huge civilian infrastructure but work on packet communications was underway before then and not only in the US. It was a natural outgrowth of the telephone system, just to do voice better. History repeats. The guy who got beat out on the telephone patent by mere hours, Elisha Grey, wasn't originally seeking to transmit voices. He was seeking a solution to a pressing problem of telegraph congestion by devising a means of multiplexing the lines. Engineers seeking improvement to the phone system would surely have created the basis of a digital packet system without government money as motivation.

Posted by: epobirs at July 16, 2012 03:26 PM (kcfmt)

236 My wife, who has never voted in her 45 years asked me the other day by
when does she need to register to vote so she can vote against the JEF.


I never donated money to a political campaign til Romney. This fucker's gotta go.

I think some people who like to live off of the boring straits will be afraid that the boring straits aren't going to be there anymore to live off of.

Never end a sentence with a preposition me will ya?

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 03:27 PM (KXm42)

237 How many jobs were killed when Barky's lackey at GM closed down all
those GM dealerships....the ones that were owned by Republicans.


Those were evil greedy corporate jobs. And now those employees are free to move on to good caring non-profit jobs, like I advise young people to do.

Posted by: Mrs SCOAMF at July 16, 2012 03:27 PM (ZKzrr)

238
The Latest: They are trying now to slime Zimmerman with a charge that when he was 8, yeah 8?, he molested a 6 year old girl?

It's true. I know all about that kind of stuff.

Posted by: Mike Skakel at July 16, 2012 03:27 PM (7+pP9)

239 His approval ratings are holding pretty steady there Tex.

Posted by: Axel Douche at July 16, 2012 03:28 PM (mka2b)

240 Profit is all you business people care about.

Posted by: Barky O'Dogeater at July 16, 2012 03:28 PM (QKKT0)

241
>>Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM

That was very well put.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:28 PM (SUKHu)

242
219....The Latest: They are trying now to slime Zimmerman with a charge that when he was 8, yeah 8?, he molested a 6 year old girl? And this is the "witness" that says Zimmerman hates blacks. Yeah great "witness".

Yeah....."witness no. 9".
So now, they are trying to prejudice the Jury with the recollections of someone....when they were 6 years old?!

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 03:29 PM (MbB0O)

243 I didn't really find one. Well, I found some but I have no idea what I should get.

The cheapest plastic one works as well as the most expensive wood.

Basic use is easy, the scales are logarithmic. Multiplication is done by adding logs, division subtracting them. The slider locates the answer.

Posted by: Looters and Vandals Local 326 at July 16, 2012 03:29 PM (aS5TC)

244 Someone needs to explain to Barky that business-building is time consuming - like campaigning, but without the "me, myself and I" bullshit. Because that's as close as he's gotten to real work.

Posted by: Roy at July 16, 2012 03:29 PM (VndSC)

245 Obama's reasoning is predicated solely on the fact that governments, both federal and local, decided to improve infrastructure as a matter of convenience and safety for the citizens. That did not allow access or provide protection for businesses. What happened before asphalt and full time firefighters? People still went to businesses...fires still were extinguished...

...but the slippery slope is that if this line of reasoning is accepted, then it won't be long before the same people who came up with it are telling us that we only have our homes thanks to the Federal Government.

Freedoms continue to erode.

Posted by: Sgt. York at July 16, 2012 03:30 PM (lu20S)

246 Advice would greatly be appreciated!

Get one of the round ones and use it wearing leather gloves like Dr Strangelove.

Posted by: eleven at July 16, 2012 03:30 PM (KXm42)

247 Some of them will work 16 hours a week at the Dollar Store and collect
free food stamps, rent money, earned income tax credit cash, medicaid,
free child-care, two free meals a day for their kids, free cell phones,
free air conditioners, and various grants that they manage to sniff out.


16 hours? That seems like a lot. One shift a week.

And don't forget Unreported Cash Income.

Posted by: Mrs SCOAMF at July 16, 2012 03:30 PM (ZKzrr)

248 Obama is such a failure he's now taking credit for the 23 million jobs Bill Clinton created by saying, "we did that", to his brain dead audiences.

Posted by: Nukie at July 16, 2012 03:30 PM (sv/s3)

249
At the end of tax reformconservatives need to do is to get a lot more people (almost everyone) paying federal taxes. Anyone making more than say $10K needs to pay a minimum of 1 % so that almost everyone can have theaggravation of seeing their tax money wasted.

Second, go along with Mitt's plan to have federal education money follow the student and let the poor students break out of the public school hells they find themselves in. This will eventually lead to charter and private schools and the death of the teachers union and the lousy educations they are providing.

Educatedtaxpayers will not block vote for socialists.

Its the exact opposite ofthe planthe Dems have been executing for decades.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 16, 2012 03:30 PM (VLifP)

250 Basic use is easy, the scales are logarithmic. Multiplication is done by
adding logs, division subtracting them. The slider locates the answer.


But Magic 8-Ball is more useful for judgment calls.

Posted by: Cicero at July 16, 2012 03:31 PM (QKKT0)

251
Best of the Web Today:

Barack Obama really does seem like an Ayn Rand villain at times....

Several points beg to be made here. First, as Pickett points out, it takes chutzpah for the man who boasts of having personally killed Osama bin Laden to tell businessmen, "You didn't build that."

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:31 PM (SUKHu)

252 I'm quitting my job and going on welfare. There's no more sense in doing anything else.

I'm just going to Walk The Earth, like Kwai Chang Caine, helping people, and having adventures and shit.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:31 PM (evdj2)

253 Mama AJ

Reference on slide rules:

http://sliderulemuseum.com/SR_Course.htm

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (0FQ+M)

254 True story. My little tiny borough subcontracts (outsources?) our fire fighting services. One of the neighboring boros had been doing it for quite a while and then decided it was time for us to pay OUR FAIR SHARE. That is a quote. Needless to say, they thought our fair share was substantially higher.

We dropped them and went to another neighboring borough.

Saved money.

Market forces can be used by municipalities. I see it every day.



Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (K8Rqf)

255 Yeah I heard blurbs of him pissing andmoaning about "Washington" (aka GOP House). I had to laugh. Preezy don't give a shit about broke Washington or fixed Washington. Preezy just cranks out another EO or six, or directs his admin flunkies to enact extraconstitutional edicts. He just has to play the victim card - over and over, ad nauseum. Because the Perpetually Aggrieved icon is the hero of the American Leftard.
Posted by: kallisto at July 16, 2012 03:18 PM (jm/9g)


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Which reminds me. There's an interesting article over at American Thinker about the EO's that Baraka has signed.

Posted by: Soona at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (KQuZj)

256 Let's see we want to encourage new businesses by minimizing the entrepreneur, more jobs by making it more costly to hire workers, make society more 'fair' by punishing the productive.

That's a jim-cracker of a plan, Ole boss!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (fa39X)

257 jobs are for chumps.

Posted by: Looters and Vandals Local 326 at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (aS5TC)

258
>>Slide rules rock. No batteries/chargers, and they keep working after an EMP.

I just today was looking on Amazon because I want to buy one so that the kids and I can learn how to use it.

I didn't really find one. Well, I found some but I have no idea what I should get.

Advice would greatly be appreciated!

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:25 PM (SUKHu)


Something much cooler than a slide rule:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta_calculator

Posted by: Unemployed Number Cruncher at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (7+pP9)

259 Shouldn't His Magnificence also be claiming credit for the computer and electricity, then, as well?

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 03:32 PM (MMC8r)

260 Die, fascist scrunt sock.

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 16, 2012 03:33 PM (ZKzrr)

261 O/T -

Marine Le Pen is suing Madonna for using a swastika on her image.

Posted by: kallisto at July 16, 2012 03:33 PM (jm/9g)

262 Good luck America! Getting rid of Obama will be hard.

Posted by: Katechon at July 16, 2012 03:33 PM (P7m59)

263 I'm just going to Walk The Earth, like Kwai Chang Caine, helping people, and having adventures and shit.

Remember, the wisest man fears the shortest rope.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Caine at July 16, 2012 03:33 PM (QKKT0)

264 261 - MLP is not antisemitic. But she's a national socialist.

Posted by: Katechon at July 16, 2012 03:34 PM (P7m59)

265 Obama, the Modern Prometheus.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2012 03:35 PM (bFrcG)

266 ...In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,

There's a land that's fair and bright,

Where the handouts grow on bushes

And you sleep out every night.

Where the boxcars all are empty

And the sun shines every day

And the birds and the bees

And the cigarette trees

The lemonade springs

Where the bluebird sings

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains...


In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

You never change your socks

And the little streams of alcohol

Come trickling down the rocks

The brakemen have to tip their hats

And the railway bulls are blind

There's a lake of stew

And of whiskey too

You can paddle all around it

In a big canoe

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains



In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,

The jails are made of tin.

And you can walk right out again,

As soon as you are in.

There ain't no short-handled shovels,

No axes, saws nor picks,

I'm bound to stay

Where you sleep all day,

Where they hung the jerk
That invented work

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

....

I'll see you all this coming fall

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains


Posted by: Book readin' moron at July 16, 2012 03:35 PM (Xv7f/)

267 But this was not remotely a project with commercial applications in mind
and there was no such need for it to be considered a success. The
immense financial return that has resulted came from clever people
working under their own motivation to make something that had never
existed before and that the government would never have done.

****

In other words, they took government waste and made something out of it.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 16, 2012 03:35 PM (61yvg)

268

"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
~ Barky's own words.

Isn't he really saying....."We own you"?

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 03:35 PM (MbB0O)

269 Even i have had enough of his horseshit

Posted by: Julia at July 16, 2012 03:35 PM (SO2Q8)

270 #242 actually Zimmerman is just a little over a year older than this witness.

Posted by: Obama- Man of the People at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (bxpf3)

271 Ace on posting : Every 30 minutes, unless I'm napping. You're Welcome!

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (bb5Xq)

272 Remember, the wisest man fears the shortest rope.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Caine at July 16, 2012 03:33 PM (QKKT0)


Is that becauce you might accidentally hang yourself from it while jacking off in the closet?

Posted by: buzzion at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (GULKT)

273 Seriously, why are we worried about this guy.

Posted by: SH at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

274 actually Zimmerman is just a little over a year older than this witness.
Posted by: Obama- Man of the People at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (bxpf3)


Yes. It was probably a case of kids playing I'll show you if you show me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (05RcU)

275 "He believes that 'corporate jet owners' sit in an
office, light a cigar with a hundred dollar bill, and twirl their
mustache. He's in over his head precisely because of his inability to
think beyond cliches.

Posted by: MJ at July 16, 2012 03:20 PM (TR60b"==Yep, the Left creates a caricature of business in its collective muddled head, then acts as if that caricature were the real thing. Thus, their inability to understand that simply throwing money at a company like Solyndra is no guarantee that it will succeed or simply throwing money at your cronies will make their businesses thrive. They are really so stupid as to think that's how things do work, though.But, then again, the Left is like an asshole kid in the schoolyard who doesn't bring any toys to play with and then goes around taking everyone else's toys to play with them. They bring nothing to the table in terms of skills, talents, anything. If by some miracle they all disappeared tomorrow, the world wouldn't miss a beat.

Posted by: BS Inc. at July 16, 2012 03:36 PM (P2Ufm)

276
>>Reference on slide rules:

Cool. That's the first bookmark I've created on this new computer!

>>Get one of the round ones and use it wearing leather gloves like Dr Strangelove.

Found one on Ebay!!

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:37 PM (SUKHu)

277 >>>I just today was looking on Amazon because I want to buy one so that the kids and I can learn how to use it.
I didn't really find one. Well, I found some but I have no idea what I should get.
Advice would greatly be appreciated!

Yeah. Get a circular slide rule (Free dish variety). It's easier to pocket. An aviators slide rule is about as useful as one gets.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 16, 2012 03:37 PM (0q2P7)

278 273
Seriously, why are we worried about this guy.

Because he may actually win. And even if he doesn't, he has 2 months to fuck up everything on his way out.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 03:37 PM (e0xKF)

279 We've been encouraged not to mention our canine members, given The President's culinary tastes.

Posted by: Obama's coalition of voters at July 16, 2012 03:37 PM (wsGWu)

280 Speaking as someone who has busted my ass for 15 years trying to keep my small business in the black DESPITE (not "because of") the government, I'd like to send out a nice fat F**K YOU to Mr. Obama and his ilk. See you at the polls, President Asshole!

Not that we needed to be any more fired up than we already are to kick his ass out of office, but man, you gotta hand it to the SCOAMF for being such a persistent Marxist douche no matter what common sense in an election year would dictate.

Posted by: Swanny at July 16, 2012 03:38 PM (XzlBE)

281 273 Why worry?
---
He has a record of winning elections.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 16, 2012 03:38 PM (eEfYn)

282
All your successes are belong to the condoms that were not used ... or broke.

Posted by: Barack Trojenz at July 16, 2012 03:38 PM (Xv7f/)

283 Obama owes me everything. Ev. Rey. Thin. Gah.

Posted by: TOTUS at July 16, 2012 03:39 PM (eHIJJ)

284 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.


Short version: YOU OWE ME.

But here's the deal -- No, we don't.

Those things have already been paid for. We paid up-front. The people who built those roads and taught those children have already been fully paid for their time, materials and labor.

Contrary to Obama (and Chief "Pale Face" Warren), just because some people already paid for some things, that doesn't mean that they get to keep demanding more payments, forever.

We do not owe an Infinite Debt of Eternal Gratitude. We paid you already.

Posted by: Phinn at July 16, 2012 03:39 PM (KNtHw)

285 And thank y'all, I meant to say.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:39 PM (SUKHu)

286 Love how Obama brings up the internet as an example. Whatever government research went into its creation was not done for the benefit of private industry as he suggests. He speaks as if the feds has some sort of prescience of the nature of future commerce that inspired it.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at July 16, 2012 03:39 PM (KvKOu)

287 144
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.

---

I would like to hear his companion piece..

"If you were a failure..."

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 16, 2012 03:05 PM (SO2Q


Now, see, that isn't fair! No one is a failure, if they just allow me and the almighty government to take on that burden. I can make everything better for everybody. Make no mistake, I am the the do all, be all, to everybody! (Did I mention the END ALL? shushhh.)

Posted by: Baraka O. at July 16, 2012 03:40 PM (7g1yh)

288

I'd like to hear what Warren Buffet and Bill Gates think about this latest proclaimation from Barky.
Do they know that they didn't build their own companies?
....That..."Somebody else made that happen"...?

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 03:40 PM (MbB0O)

289 I didn't realize the government paying hood rats to not work was so instrumental to the rise of Apple and Google.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at July 16, 2012 03:41 PM (XZWie)

290 Barack Obama did not make it on his own. Someone had to create an entire racial grievance industry for him to ply his trade. He is exploiting the efforts of those who came before him. No wonder Jesse wanted to cut his nuts off.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 16, 2012 03:41 PM (nZvGM)

291 "147 he had another great line today. he's complaining that Washington is just as broken today as it was 4 years ago."

But that's not his fault. He was busy golfing.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2012 03:41 PM (HAnzX)

292 >>Slide rules rock. No batteries/chargers, and they keep working after an EMP.
It's a cinch to calculate how long before you die from the radioactive fallout.

Posted by: Roy at July 16, 2012 03:42 PM (VndSC)

293 Will someone go workout for me today ... I know it will do me good.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:42 PM (GvYeG)

294 If you want to get technical, our government exists only because of our business successful founders who put it together. Suck on that Obama.

Posted by: Obama- Man of the People at July 16, 2012 03:42 PM (qBtUE)

295 Yep, the Left creates a caricature of business in its collective muddled
head, then acts as if that caricature were the real thing.


Sometimes they even implement that caricature. Example: PuffHo getting rich off the work of unpaid bloggers.

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at July 16, 2012 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)

296 @278 - I don't think he has a prayer of winning, and sometime after Mitt is inaugurated it will become accepted wisdom that in June it was apparent that Obama couldn't win.

Chalk it up to wishful thinking if you want to.

Posted by: SH at July 16, 2012 03:44 PM (gmeXX)

297 Yep, the Left creates a caricature of business in its collective muddled
head, then acts as if that caricature were the real thing. Thus, their
inability to understand that simply throwing money at a company like
Solyndra is no guarantee that it will succeed or simply throwing money
at your cronies will make their businesses thrive.


Obama's infatuation with Solyndra was a major tell. Taj Mahal industrial building, top-drawer office furniture, high-tech robots, gangs of well-paid workers wearing white coats. To Obama, if you create the facade of a successful company, you've created a successful company.

This is cargo cult economics. Only a fucking idiot gets to adulthood with such simpleminded ideas about how things work. Ergo, Obama is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Cicero at July 16, 2012 03:44 PM (QKKT0)

298
Several points beg to be made here. First, as Pickett points out, it takes chutzpah for the man who boasts of having personally killed Osama bin Laden to tell businessmen, "You didn't build that."
Posted by: Mama AJ

That is absolutely on target. Because as I recall, Preezy didn't thank the Seals, or those in intelligence who did the dirty work to find UBL, and create the plan to take him down. But he sure as hell took credit for it. Over, and over.

God help us, I hope the 52% that voted for this schmuck are hit so hard by this wretched economy that they either stay home, or vote for the other guy. I think that is the only chance we have to dig out of the mess he has put us in.

Posted by: moki at July 16, 2012 03:44 PM (dZmFh)

299 I put my own Dental Practice together and employ people. I'm in the Navy. Sometimes I am working 7 days a week. obama can go fuck himself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2012 03:44 PM (05RcU)

300 In USSA you don't earn a degree, degree earns you!

Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2012 03:45 PM (QLraV)

301 Last night at 11pm, I was diligently polishing up a presentation for today. I called the SCOAMF looking for some help. Safe to say, nobody was home. Not sure how I ever made it this far without acknowledging the great contributions the gubbermint has made to my business. How could I possibly be so naive to think I had anything to do with it's success?

From now on, slide 1 will always be: "This solution brought to you by the people who built this company - the half-wits in Washington D.C."

F'in idiot. And get those damn shoes off my desk.


Posted by: David Duke at July 16, 2012 03:46 PM (PFg5i)

302 296
@278 - I don't think he has a prayer of winning, and sometime after
Mitt is inaugurated it will become accepted wisdom that in June it was
apparent that Obama couldn't win.

Chalk it up to wishful thinking if you want to.

Intuition tells me he won't win either, as I think it will be Romney in a walk, but stranger stuff has happened.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 03:46 PM (e0xKF)

303 300 ditto

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:46 PM (GvYeG)

304 Clean up in aisle 299

Posted by: moki at July 16, 2012 03:47 PM (dZmFh)

305 Link in nameto Best of the Web with the quotes I grabbed in #251.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:47 PM (SUKHu)

306 "Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him."

He's also a scourge to free people. And, yes, he does indeed hate this country. We've understood this for years now, but the chickens have been roosting long enough for more of the "undecideds" and those aiming to be diplomatic about SCoaMF's qualifications for the naked truth to be self evident.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 16, 2012 03:47 PM (eHIJJ)

307 If its even now, Romney is gonna kick his ass ... metaphorically speaking of course.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:47 PM (GvYeG)

308 he had another great line today. he's complaining that Washington is just as broken today as it was 4 years ago

It's been pretty broken since January 2007 so, yeah.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:49 PM (evdj2)

309
>>If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.<<

Illogical, and nonsensical.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 16, 2012 03:49 PM (Cvwz9)

310 This fucked up argument by Obama is really annoying me.

So business owners benefit from roads, schools and firefighters. Yeah. That is why business owners pay hundreds of billions of dollars to support roads, schools and firefighters.

You know who else benefits from roads, schools and firefighters? The 146 million Americans making up the 47% who pay no income taxes. Yeah, they benefit from roads, schools and firefighters too but they don’t pay for them. They just use them for nothing.

It’s like you and I went to a picnic. You brought hot dugs, buns, potato salad, coleslaw and beer. I brought nothing. We both eat and drink our fill. Then Obama shows up, points out that you benefited from the picnic and, therefore, owe me money because picnics are better when we all take part.

Or some fucking thing… I dunno.

Posted by: R.d. Walker at July 16, 2012 03:49 PM (ImpgP)

311 And erg's got nothin'.

Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2012 03:50 PM (MMC8r)

312 310 He was supposed to fix that. He had 2 years of total control.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 03:51 PM (GvYeG)

313 Oops.BRB...

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 16, 2012 03:51 PM (SUKHu)

314 Heh, erg's beating her tiny fists in rage again.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:51 PM (evdj2)

315 I figure ergy's a cutter.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 03:53 PM (evdj2)

316 oh no #299 dumbfuck will remember comments that have nothing to do with harming Obama. You have the character of a slug to go along with your intellect. Pussy.

Posted by: polynikes at July 16, 2012 03:53 PM (A9hpr)

317 I figure ergy's a cutter.
Posted by: toby928©

That's an insult to cutters.

Posted by: moki at July 16, 2012 03:54 PM (dZmFh)

318 Obama to God: You're welcome.

Posted by: RPF at July 16, 2012 03:54 PM (lGgVf)

319 299
"Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him."


If any harm should come to Obama, God forbid, I know I will certainly
remember these kinds of comments made by you which seemed to endorse
some frenzied response to a person (n*gger) who is destroying YOUR
country.
Posted by: erg


Remember away dipshit.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2012 03:54 PM (bb5Xq)

320 #267

No, that would be incorrect. The DoD project was a huge success in term of its specific goals. That it helped accelerate the pace of innovation in other applications is a happy accident. At best, it can be argued that applying tax dollars to basic research has far greater returns for all than the same amount spent on entitlements. (Although the price of the entitlements will almost always dwarf the research spending.) If taxpayer funds must be spent, it should be on things with an ongoing value beyond sustaining a heartbeat in our ne'er do wells.

The canard is when people try to claim there would be no internet without the government wishing it into existence. This is like claiming all of commercial radio owes its existence to the fact that radio is useful to military operations and some investment came from that sector.

If anything, government interference held back the civilian internet by many years by stifling innovation in telephone related services. The government granted monopoly kept ATT from advancing at the pace its own Bell Labs had made plain was possible. Most people didn't deal with data communications before the breakup of ATT and have no idea what a hassle it could be to deal with them and their priesthood of the wires..

Posted by: epobirs at July 16, 2012 03:56 PM (kcfmt)

321
The place: A dorm room at Occidental College, Los Angeles
The date: October 3, 1979
The time: 1:35 am
The scene: Three freshman and two sophomores, all male, ages 18-19, are sprawled about the room. Three Domino's pizza boxes are on the floor. Two are empty, one partially. The five are passing a bong . All are sipping warm beer. Suddenly, appropos of the discussion about "fairness" in society, one of the young men, a freshman from Honolulu, volunteers:

"...There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who
agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know
they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on
your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by
people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There
are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder
than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole
bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help... If you’ve got a
business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen...

The point is, is that when we succeed, we
succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do
things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we
don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire
service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires..."

God help us. We are being governed by a stoned 19 year old freshman.

Posted by: Choomster at July 16, 2012 03:56 PM (Xv7f/)

322 ""Obama's a demagogue. The country will not survive four more years of him.""


You're being kind, he's a shit bag.

Posted by: Berserker at July 16, 2012 03:56 PM (FMbng)

323 This is cargo cult economics. Only a fucking idiot gets to adulthood with such simpleminded ideas about how things work.

I love how these politicians and academics, NONE of whom has ever made payroll, much less successfully managed an investment fund for other people, insist that they know ALL ABOUT how to invest money wisely, for the long term.

After all, they created the Internets and other cutting-edge technology, like Tang, or something.

These are people who couldn't manage an ice cream shop for a week. But they're going to TELL ME how spending MY MONEY is going to yield a dizzying array of immeasurable benefit? For which I owe them even more money, forever?

Try going into a room full of savvy investors and promising them that you're going to give them a super-amazing ROI, if only they hand over their money, but with NO PROMISES as to how it's actually going to be spent, all because some guy somewhere once invented a computer network that, several decades and millions in private investment later, and they eventually figured out how to use it profitably. So, you know, every government dollar derived from taxation is sorta like a good investment. Promise.

You'd be laughed out of the room.

Posted by: Phinn at July 16, 2012 03:57 PM (KNtHw)

324 Brandon in Baton Rouge - We are on the same page. I hope we are right.

Posted by: SH at July 16, 2012 03:58 PM (gmeXX)

325 The South Side Chicago black BS is just a brand of polish on the whole Kommunard-mobile (2 generations deep) with aakademic always steer left wheels.

The country will not survive four more years of him.
The country didn't survive his pulling even with Shrillary 4 years ago. We're dead with a maybe revivable option.

Posted by: DaveA at July 16, 2012 03:58 PM (yVsIQ)

326 Was this one of his 'off the cuff' remarks? It's so beyond stupid, i.e., (to those who faint in face of his magnificence: "better call a paralegal!" - instead of a paramedic) it borders on the absurd. Maybe he and Biden have a bet re: who can say (and get away with, from the MSM) the most fucked up, crazy things?

Posted by: the Butcher at July 16, 2012 03:59 PM (8g9qq)

327 labyrinthine ... nice

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 04:00 PM (GvYeG)

328 If there is no such thing as 'Individual Excellence', then......

Is everything that Obama has claimed to have accomplished in his first term also directly attributable to roads and bridges, and not to Obama's unique insight at all?

If financial success is a "gift from government", and if every economic outcome is a product of our 'collective system', then isn't collectivism itself responsible for the dramatic wealth inequality in the United States?

How can an ideology that destroys the very means of determining individual merit claim to have the 'best qualified' people making all the decisions?

Posted by: gastorgrab at July 16, 2012 04:00 PM (FX38i)

329 Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I hate to look like I'm defending the SCOAMF, but I think that sentence actually has a point to it; if you have a business that makes use of roads and bridges, those were built by somebody else. Unfortunately for Barry, he speaks in turgid, opaque prose that scans like someone cut small snippets from mainstream newspapers, put them in a hat, picked out random hunks and glued them together in a line. Or like some half-bright hack bullsh*tter that just rambles on, endlessly spouting half-digested gibberish that sounded good when he heard it from someone, if not wiser, at least not speaking English as a second language.

So, the good news: the President of the United States actually had a point to his statement. An utterly obvious, tendentious, barely relevant point buried in the dorm-room bull-session grade boilerplate, but a point. The bad news: He's still a dunce.

Erg, however? Erg's still got nothing.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:02 PM (VMcoS)

330
I wonder if y'all realize that in addition to the gratuitous swipe at businesses, Obama got in a dig at ANYONE who has ever accomplished ANYTHING through persistence and effort.

He swung at all of us.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2012 04:02 PM (SAMxH)

331 If you are successful, you did *not* build that achievement alone!

You were carrying at least one bureaucrat or welfare recipient on your back when you did it!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:02 PM (bxiXv)

332 Is everything that Obama has claimed to have accomplished in his first term also directly attributable to roads and bridges, and not to Obama's unique insight at all?

He pretty much devalued his alledged "Magna cum Laude" as well, didn't he.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 04:03 PM (evdj2)

333 The funny thing is I think he lost the last few pro-Obama small business owners with this. I am hearing deep red rage from business owners over this.

Words like "livid" and "furious."

But, I'll bet he didn't see it coming, because he doesn't know anyone like that, and the only private sector job he ever had (ice cream shop) he confesses to stealing from his boss (giving free goods to his friends).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:04 PM (bxiXv)

334 CS Lewis:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive.
It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated.
But those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at July 16, 2012 04:04 PM (hyRD4)

335 I drink erg's tears, I drink them up.

Dance, monkey. Dance!

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 04:04 PM (evdj2)

336 Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at July 16, 2012 04:03 PM (zslMf)

There you go. We want the left to stop bugging us, the left wants us DEAD.

It *ALWAYS* comes down to mass murder and/or death wishes with the left. *ALWAYS.*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:05 PM (bxiXv)

337 A troll. How clever.

Posted by: Cicero at July 16, 2012 04:05 PM (QKKT0)

338 Really, fuck him and the tire tube he floated in on. I have seen tons of people make it by sheer will and hard work and it had nothing to do with the government. He really is an assclown.

Posted by: Berserker at July 16, 2012 04:06 PM (FMbng)

339 Hey, if this was all just some great big hippy dip commune, then how come ...

I had to study like a madman and major in organic chemistry instead of womyn's studies as an undergrad?

I had to take and ace the MCAT?

I had to do all the studying?

I had to take all the tests?

I had to take $125,000 in student loans and pay them back?

I had to work the 80 hour shifts during residency?

I had to do the two year fellowship?

I had to be on call every other weekend?

I had to sign the note for the the equipment and office lease and make the monthly nut?

I had to skip payday to make sure the staff payroll got made?

What the hell were all you parasites were doing while I was building OUR medical practice?

I'm owed, dammit!



Posted by: Dr. Kildare at July 16, 2012 04:06 PM (Xv7f/)

340 "I hate to look like I'm defending the SCOAMF, but I think that sentence actually has a point to it; if you have a business that makes use of roads and bridges, those were built by somebody else."Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:02 PM
Here's the problem with it: if your business uses the roads and bridges, then it pays exorbitant taxes on a regular basis for their use. So in truth, the people who use the roads and bridges already pay for them. And not with "help" from other people.

Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at July 16, 2012 04:07 PM (73P68)

341 by "1%" is also meant all those persons who make all that money in the
first place because corporations enjoy labyrinthine loopholes,
permitting them to pay virtually no income tax


One of the main ways these people enjoy tax-free income (like John Kerry and his wife) is by loaning money ... to governments.

Also racism.

Posted by: Phinn at July 16, 2012 04:08 PM (KNtHw)

342 You people are absolutely the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. You are blazing proof that democracy is impossible.


Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at July 16, 2012 04:03 PM


Thats why we are a democratic REPUBLIC you ignorant fuckstick. Its retards that you that cause "democracies" to commit suicide

Posted by: Berserker at July 16, 2012 04:08 PM (FMbng)

343 So if the Government takes full credit for the Internet...
...
...then I can bill all my time spent Tweeting my crotch to my own employer!??!?!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 16, 2012 04:09 PM (kZVsz)

344 I think I have a succinct way of putting the point of this post.

The American View: "Government of, for, and by, the people." [Thanks, Abe]

TheCollectivist View: "The people, of, for, and by, the government. [Obama, and his fascist little sidekicks.]

We really need to ask ourselves how a guy with the latter view was ever even the running for being elected President, much less actually win. I suppose it started when wegave the governmenta virtual monopoly in formaleducation.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 16, 2012 04:09 PM (As94z)

345 Andrew, you are kind of grumpy.

Posted by: Honey Badger, drinker of mead at July 16, 2012 04:10 PM (GvYeG)

346 I would think that dogs would WANT to vote solely for the sake of self-preservation

Posted by: DAve at July 16, 2012 04:10 PM (BoI09)

347 Fire departments? Police departments? And they have fuck all to do with the Federal government, the institution confiscating the most wealth.

Does the Idiot in Chief understand they are local constructions that were once operated privately by locals and doing just fine and that still operate in local jurisdictions under local control? Or is he just being his typical dishonest douche?

It's hard to distinguish. I'm thinking the man is just a fookin' idiot.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 16, 2012 04:10 PM (eHIJJ)

348
339Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at July 16, 2012 04:03 PM (zslMf)


There you go. We want the left to stop bugging us, the left wants us DEAD.

It *ALWAYS* comes down to mass murder and/or death wishes with the left. *ALWAYS.*
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:05 PM (bxiXv)


That's why Che Guevera and Fidel Castro are 'heroes' to the leftists.
The left would love to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them.
They are like the Borg.
"Assimilate or die".

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 04:11 PM (MbB0O)

349 brb galvanizing the Recipient Class

Posted by: ololobama at July 16, 2012 04:11 PM (kZVsz)

350 When he was in college, Obama was known for lecturing people on proper Marxist behavior (Radical In Chief).

The only thing he's learned since then is new lectures - but sometimes the old ones still slip out!

Not only the worst, but far and away the most *anti-American* President. Even Carter, dumb as a post and always wrong, only hated Teh Joo, I don't think he hated America and Western values, he just got them wrong.

Maybe Obama is a tie with Wilson, just on a much larger scale.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:13 PM (bxiXv)

351 Or is he just being his typical dishonest douche?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 16, 2012 04:10 PM (eHIJJ)


*DING* *DING* *DING* *DING* *DING*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:14 PM (bxiXv)

352 Wonder why I'm just coming out and saying things like this?

Think about it this way. Remember when the Big East used to have 6 personal fouls? The games ended up being flat out brawls. The more contact the officials saw, the less impact it had on them. I'm desensitizing the American public for what's coming down the pipe, so to speak.

Posted by: Barack Obama as Augustus at July 16, 2012 04:14 PM (4eNxd)

353 If trolls had their wish and had their own little country, I'll call it Dumb Mother Fuckerland, it would take about a year before Conservative Land would see a spike in illegal Dumb Mother Fucker immigrants.

Posted by: polynikes at July 16, 2012 04:15 PM (k/Mc/)

354 The left would love to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them.

They lack the balls. Note the passive voice our faux red poseur erg uses.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 04:15 PM (evdj2)

355
Late to thread.... but with all the F'n Government computers, and all the employees we are paying for... why is the LAST Data on this from 2007?


Hiding the data?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 16, 2012 04:16 PM (lZBBB)

356 They are like the Borg. "Assimilate or die".

It's closer to the Necromongers of "Chronicles Of Riddick" than the Borg.

The Borg insist that you will be assimilated, with killing only as a means to an end to a successful assimilation.

The Necromongers insist that you convert or they kill you by ripping your fucking soul out in front of everyone else.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 16, 2012 04:16 PM (e0xKF)

357 They are like the Borg. "Assimilate or die".

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 04:11 PM (MbB0O)


Always have been, from Plato's roving bands of Elite Guards snuffing out dissent, to Robespierre's Reign of Terror against everyone from rich to poor, to the massive communist purges and eliminations.

The end point of every leftist philosophy is mass murder, disappearances, blood and tears.

And then collapse and dissolution.

And then *really* dumb college students romanticizing the movements and starting them up again, because history doesn't repeat itself, it stutters.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:17 PM (bxiXv)

358 See, I don't recall a lot of government "help" when my Dad started his business in the late 1960s. I remember him quitting a good job as a top salesman for a chemical company, paying himself next to nothing (if I remember it correctly, he paid himself to start something like $600/mo.), putting his life savings at risk, borrowing against our house, getting his friends and parents to "invest" in his fledgling enterprise, getting his best friend to come into the business with him, also making next to nothing at first, convincing Mom to go back to work, first as a Special Ed teacher and then as a 5th grade teacher, to support us during those years, having us kids both do without a lot of things and occasionally help out with assembly jobs on the weekends. I remember himspending a lot of days and nights away from hometraveling on business, oftentimes driving to plating businesses across the Midwest and South because some bath wasn't working properly because when you only have a few customer you have to go the extra mile to keep them. I remember summer months when the money was tight and we had a vegetable garden in the backyard -- more zucchini dishes than you could imagine. I remember him scraping and re-glazing and priming and painting every window in our old house almost every weekend in the summer (in St. Louis!) up on a ladder, because (I know this in retrospect) it was cheaper than hiring someone and cheaper than replacement windows. I remember him teaching himself how to fix nearly everything, from the furnace to the air conditioner to the disposal, because there wasn't enough money to hire people to fix your things for you, and why would you if you could do it yourself. I also remember him ultimately hiring about twenty or thirtypeople to work in his small company, paying them good wages, giving them health benefits and a pension plan, and I remember that very few of them ever left working for my Dad, because the lives they had working for him were better than the lives they would have had otherwise.I remember his funeral when people he had met in business, hundreds of them, paid their respects, and younger men whom I had never met told me that he had been their wise counselor when they were starting out.But, try as I might, I just can't remember much by way of government "help." Friends, sure; family, of course; his wife, my mom, always. But not much from the government.Oh, except for paperwork and taxes and hassling from the EPA because he was in a chemical business.Obama's father was an academic; his mother was an academic; his life up to his political career was spent in academia or else in non-profit activity. I doubt he's ever had a close family member who started a small business. He. Knows. Nothing. Seriously, I don't think anything this jerk has ever said has made me as mad as this.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 16, 2012 04:17 PM (qHCyt)

359 @353

"Fuckstickistan"

Posted by: Eisenhorn at July 16, 2012 04:18 PM (KvKOu)

360 They lack the balls. Note the passive voice our faux red poseur erg uses.

Posted by: toby928© at July 16, 2012 04:15 PM (evdj2)


No, just like another group in the news, they lack the balls until they reach a "tipping point" of political power, and then the bloodshed starts.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 16, 2012 04:18 PM (bxiXv)

361 Here's the problem with it: if your business uses the roads and bridges,
then it pays exorbitant taxes on a regular basis for their use. So in
truth, the people who use the roads and bridges already pay for them.
And not with "help" from other people.


Oh, hell yeah. I didn't say Barry made a lick of sense with his thesis that the big fat Government Good Fairy just miracled this stuff into existence; I just had to point out that, due to his chronic inability to speak clearly, Barry had sounded even stupider than he intended. His thesis is as moronic as any quote from The Big Book Of Erg, it just came out of his cakehole even goofier-sounding than the dim sparks in his brain his voicebox intended.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:19 PM (VMcoS)

362 "I hate to look like I'm defending the SCOAMF, but I think that sentence
actually has a point to it; if you have a business that makes use of
roads and bridges, those were built by somebody else."Posted by:
Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:02 PM

Ahhhhh.... Another victim of muddled public school thinking.

The roads and bridges were paid for by taxes especially assessed for those purposes, mostly taxes on fuel. In short all the users paid for them. In the case of commercial trucks, their owners pay added taxes as well. For a typical 80,000 pound GVW tractor-trailer combination truck the federal highway taxes average $8,959 per year.

In short, business ALREADY pays through the nose for infrastructure.

Remember, Barky was not talking about taxing for roads or infrastructure improvement. He was trying to justify skewing the relative tax contribution even more than the currently absurd proportionality of the top 5% of income earners paying nearly 60% of the total tax bill while the bottom 50% pay just 2% of all taxes.

Posted by: Occam's floss at July 16, 2012 04:20 PM (Xv7f/)

363 Just when I think obama has plumbed the depths of his stupidity, he goes and surprises me again. I am not beholden to anyone for my success. I drag my own little pink butt out of bed at O'dark thirty, so I can be to work at 6 AM. I save my own damn money to invest bit by bit in my own damn portfolio. I pay my own damn bills on time and in full. So, where does this scamming POS get off telling me how someone else makes things possible for me?

He is ugly, stupid, and evil and that is a horrible way to go through life.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at July 16, 2012 04:21 PM (kXoT0)

364 Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 16, 2012 04:17 PM (qHCyt)
I have had similar experiences, and guess what I have to tell you this one thing. In the projects the heat is so high they all have their windows open during the winter, letting all that precious heat out. That heat isn't put their by magic.

Posted by: madamex at July 16, 2012 04:23 PM (e9LVX)

365
@356

Necromongers?
Oh yeah....I had momentarily forgotten about those fuckers.

Necromongers...or Borg.
They both laid waste to everything in their wake.
Perveyors of darkness and dispair.
Just like the Dems do.
Just look at places where they have gotten their way for decades....places like Detroit and the bankrupt cities in California.

Posted by: wheatie at July 16, 2012 04:24 PM (MbB0O)

366 "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together"

OK, it seems like people are having a hard time focusing on exactly where this line of logic goes horribly wrong, and that probably reflects the collectivism that afflicts much of pop culture.

It's very much like TRADE. When I go into a store, and buy something, who wins? Well, first of all, it's not a contest, but pop culture suggests that the store owner wins - because they get the money - and that if I pay more than I would like, that said store owner is a "greedy capitalist" who is determined to "rip me off".

In actual fact, I would not had purchased the item - even it's ata price I abhor - if I did not also benefit from the sale. Nobody held a gun to my head. ANY (FREE) TRADE IS NECESSARILY WIN-WIN. Otherwise it wouldn't even take place.

We "do things together" because it is in our mutual self interest. We do it with people we don't even necessarily like, because we GET PAID. The whole line of reasoning relies on thesuggestion that something is OWED, but the fact is that nothing is owed, because the parties involved HAVE BEEN PAID.

Beyond that, of course we build on the sucesses of the past. We don't "reinvent the wheel." Duh!! SO F-ING WHAT?

Posted by: Optimizer at July 16, 2012 04:25 PM (As94z)

367 Ahhhhh.... Another victim of muddled public school thinking.

Okay, I'm getting out the hand puppets. Unless you think Yellow Freight has a bridge-building division, yes, somebody else built the bridges they used. Of course, Yellow Freight paid out the ying-yang for the use of the damn things, but they didn't build them themselves. My point is, SCOAMF is spouting drivel as usual, he's just not smart enough to produce readable drivel.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:26 PM (VMcoS)

368 "342
You people are absolutely the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. You are blazing proof that democracy is impossible.




Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at July 16, 2012 04:03 PM"

If you're so smart, why not just become super-successful, then give all your money to Obama?

Come on, a super genius like you's definitely got a few billion in earning power in ya. Society can't wait forever for you to hand over all the fruits of your labor, so get off the Internet and start crackin'.

Posted by: BS Inc. at July 16, 2012 04:28 PM (P2Ufm)

369 Sounds like erg's latest performance review was.......poor.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 16, 2012 04:32 PM (VMcoS)

370 358
See, I don't recall a lot of government "help" when my Dad started his
business in the late 1960s...I also remember him ultimately hiring
about twenty or thirty people to work in his small company, paying them
good wages, giving them health benefits and a pension plan, and I
remember that very few of them ever left working for my Dad, because the
lives they had working for him were better than the lives they would
have had otherwise.I remember his funeral when people he had met in
business, hundreds of them, paid their respects, and younger men whom I
had never met told me that he had been their wise counselor when they
were starting out...." Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 16, 2012 04:17 PM (qHCyt)

Great story and thanks for sharing it.

It used to be the story of America.

Would Regular Guy's dad do all that now knowing that Barky and a million scavenger vultures are circling to wet their beaks in "their" business?

Posted by: Martin Moeller at July 16, 2012 04:33 PM (Xv7f/)

371 "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. "

That's rich, coming from President Affirmative Action.

Sonia Sotomayor could also not be reached for comment.

Posted by: BuddyPC at July 16, 2012 04:37 PM (KCuY9)

372 As to the notion that the collectivists want us dead, I strongly disagree.

Hillary once claimed, in her campaign last time 'round, that she "loves rich people." (Something only a Democrat is allowed to say, because the string attached are implicit).

I'd say she was uncharacteristically honest. After all, a bank robber loves banks, right? Without rich people, there wouldn't be a vast pool of wealth for her her to steal or extort. It is the source of her power.

No, they don't want us dead. They just want us to exist as their virtual (or literal) slaves.

Posted by: Optimizer at July 16, 2012 04:40 PM (As94z)

373 In other, related news: Since your achievements aren’t yours, Mr.* Salk, it will now be known as "The Peoples' Vaccine."
You’d've done nothing without that Pitt lab equipment (furnished by Mellon with assets granted them by not being taxed by the federal government) or March of Dimes grant. Nor would you have any renown without all those needy potential polio victims.

*The title of “Doctor” is an artificial construct denoting hierarchy, denied to millions of equally worthy others. It is therefore also revoked.

Posted by: BuddyPC at July 16, 2012 04:45 PM (KCuY9)

374 "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
But when we fail, it's your ass under the bus."

Posted by: Obama 2012: It's Not My Fault at July 16, 2012 04:50 PM (KCuY9)

375 Obama: the best example of the Peter Principle in action as demonstrated by a Class A Dick.

Posted by: Natasha at July 16, 2012 04:55 PM (jU5uf)

376 The Left has become fixated on a cargo cult mentality.

This is how the housing boom and bust got political support. Home ownership had long been used as an indicator of economic health. In a good economy more people owned their homes. The Left (and a lot of others given to magical thinking) thought the process could be made to work in reverse. Lets make a lot more people homeowners and the economy will boom!

Sigh. This is like artificially inseminating all of the women in the belief it will improve male fertility.

So they think making a bunch of streets magically summons factories into existence. Doesn't work that way guys. If you tie up all of the capital with creating the conditions for your magic spell, the entrepreneur cannot access any capital to do the real hard part. Given the freedom to act and freedom of the market the entrepreneur is going to make his goals happen. Good infrastructure can help facilitate the pursuit but not if it comes at the cost of those critical freedoms.

Posted by: epobirs at July 16, 2012 04:57 PM (kcfmt)

377 367
Okay,
I'm getting out the hand puppets. Unless you think Yellow Freight has a
bridge-building division, yes, somebody else built the bridges they
used. Of course, Yellow Freight paid out the ying-yang for the use of
the damn things, but they didn't build them themselves. My point is,
SCOAMF is spouting drivel as usual, he's just not smart enough to
produce readable drivel...

Don't give credit where credit is not due.

No, Yellow Freight does not have "a
bridge-building division" just as it does not have a tire making division, a fuel making division or a trailer making division. That's how the economy works and it is how the economy grows. Consumers buy each others' goods and services. Sometimes the government has to provide things because, in some limited areas, it can do so more efficiently; roads being the textbook example.

Obama was not providing a lesson in basic economics. He was trying to justify confiscatory taxation.

Posted by: Occam's floss at July 16, 2012 04:58 PM (Xv7f/)

378 Point Three. All patents and copyrights, pertaining to any devices, inventions, formulas, processes and works of any nature whatsoever, shall be turned over to the nation as a patriotic emergency gift by means of Gift Certificates to be signed voluntarily by the owners of all such patents and copyrights.

Posted by: Directive 10-289 at July 16, 2012 04:58 PM (evdj2)

379 Every politician in Crook County has a repaving company, and every road and street in Crook County needs repaved every 5 years. They are designed that way.

Posted by: burt at July 16, 2012 04:58 PM (OzqQM)

380
The left would love to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them.
They are like the Borg.
"Assimilate or die". Posted by: wheatie
Yeah, um, that sounds pretty good, but I've got a better idea...

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at July 16, 2012 04:59 PM (KhioZ)

381 376
The Left has become fixated on a cargo cult mentality. This is
how the housing boom and bust got political support. Home ownership had
long been used as an indicator of economic health. In a good economy
more people owned their homes. The Left (and a lot of others given to
magical thinking) thought the process could be made to work in reverse.
Lets make a lot more people homeowners and the economy will boom!

Excellent point but you set the analysis too far along in the economic chain. The left and others believe home ownership and college degrees are markers of the middle class and so the middle class will be enlarged by increasing the number of homeowners and college degree holders.

Their mistake is a textbook logical fallacy. Home ownership and college degree completion don't create the middle class. Instead, they reflect middle class values. Put dirtbags in owner occupied homes and hand them college degrees and all you've accomplished is a lot of foreclosures and dirtbags with a lot of student loans and no job. Come to think of it....

Posted by: Occam's floss at July 16, 2012 05:04 PM (Xv7f/)

382 Yeah, imagine a world without public fire departments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_insurance_mark

Posted by: Billy at July 16, 2012 05:18 PM (aQpgf)

383 Dear Mr. Obama,

I regret to inform you that your attempt to convince me to be more enthusiastic about an unspecified, perpetual increase in the amount of money I pay to the government, on the promise that it's a good investment, has failed.

My standard for what qualifies as a "good investment" is a little higher than your. Your definition of a good return appears to be: "Anything less than a 100% total fucking loss is a major win."

The thing is, the government spends money without any demands or risk or repercussions or expectations. It has nothing to lose. To paraphrase comedian Bill Burr, do you know how much of a dick I'd be if I could say anything I wanted without consequences or fear of reprisal?

The same principle applies to government assholes like you in how you "invest" my money. If I were in charge of deciding how to "invest" trillions of dollars, with no potential downside when almost all of those choices turn to shit, I guarantee that, at least 1% of the time, I'd invest in something, once in a while, that yielded a return better than a negative-100%.

But you don't even guarantee that much, do you?

Sorry, Barry, but your investment sales pitch sucked ass. I found your promises that I'll get a good return on my "investment" to be vague and poorly sourced. I found the citation of "inventing the Internet" to be less than convincing as a track record of historical performance. Finally, I found your attitude of entitlement to be grating and insulting.

If I may make an analogy, I'd say that "investing" in your government projects and pork and spend-ola to be a far worse "investment" than, say, using that money to "invest" in a month-long bender on hookers and blow.

Sure, I readily concede that spending money on hookers and blow won't yield something you might call a "profit," but at least I'll get my nut off once in a while in the process.

Plus, hookers are usually fairly appreciative, which means they don't complain and insult and berate me all the time, unless I pay extra for that service.

Fuck you,
Phinn

Posted by: Phinn at July 16, 2012 05:20 PM (KNtHw)

384 #381

No, that was the entire point of leading with 'cargo cult mentality.' The idea that planes on the ground or simple effigies of them, cause cargo aka Western goods, to appear. Rather than seek to understand what lead to a culture that produced the planes and the cargo they bore, the cultist sought a quick shortcut by merely emulating the appearance that accompanied the desired outcome.

Posted by: epobirs at July 16, 2012 05:30 PM (kcfmt)

385 So people who (think they) are successful were just more greedy than others at the trough of our most generous government? What the heck does that make people who accept welfare checks when they are fit to take a job, lower than pond scum? I'm just using Obama's logic here folks.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 16, 2012 05:43 PM (9eDbm)

386 He's insane. A certifiable lunatic.

Posted by: sablegsd at July 16, 2012 08:04 PM (AKS75)

387 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 16, 2012 08:51 PM (6o4Fb)

388 I know I'm late here and maybe someone else has already said this, but aside from being completely unAmerican, he's using very faulty logic.

Let's suppose for one microsecond we buy into his idea that "everybody" contributes to the roads and fire protection and defense. No. People who paid taxes made all these things happen. The same people who worked to build small businesses, and big businesses, or who worked in capacity. Roughly half of the country. So by Barry's own logic, doesn't that mean the able bodied deadbeats should not benefit from anything government produces since they did not contribute towards them?

What a tool. OTOH, keep talking Barry. Nothing Romney can say will sway indies to vote R as much as this drivel.

It won't be long before Rove can run an ad with a "guess who said this" theme, and nobody will be able to tell which quotes were from the world's worst dictators and mass murderers or the Preezy.

Posted by: Mayday at July 16, 2012 09:17 PM (F3s39)

389 Notice how all of those helping hands, Obama names, are government workers. (except for firefighters who are often volunteers.) Well, damn. If I am not a success, I guess it's because the government workers didn't do a good enough job patting me on the head and wiping my arse!

And I guess if the unemployment level hasn't been under 8% since Obama took office, I guess that's the government's fault, too. I'm so glad B.O. was able clear this up.

Posted by: Book at July 17, 2012 12:05 AM (BJMkh)

390 This reminds me of a short quote from Washington Post columnist E. J. Dionne that was recently circulating within liberal circles of the social media universe: “Forgive me for noting that conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less.” The apparent inconsistency of conservatives is the result of the failure to recognize that, for rich and poor alike, the possibility of earning more is an incentive to work longer, harder, and/or better. This is but a truism of human nature: incentives matter.

​In Colonialism from a European Perspective (1957), Alexandre Kojčve – noted philosopher and statesman – observed that (for Marx) capitalism had a very specific economic meaning. A capitalist economy was one which was industrialized and where the means of production were owned by an economic elite who derived all the advantages accruing from the rationalization of production. In other words, and this is the crucial point, no matter the magnitude of economic growth, the working class (or proletariat) remained at the same standard of living of minimum subsistence.

The constant struggle for survival that resulted from this situation, combined with the constant and continued increase in the relative (not absolute) poverty of the working class, supposedly made social revolution a historical necessity. And yet, as Kojčve further observed, something happened on the way to our date with History.

The capitalists, foremost among them Henry Ford, had a Marxist epiphany. They realized that the progress and persistence of capitalism itself required a constant increase in the standard of living of the working class, and they acted accordingly. It is for this reason that the poor in America now enjoy the same standard of living as the middle class in many European nations (who are not exactly living in Third World conditions). And it is for this reason that capitalism (or Fordism as Kojčve terms its improvement) is the greatest force ever deployed for the improvement of human welfare, both individual and collective.

America’s success, therefore, is premised upon paying a fair wage for a fair day’s work, recognizing that incentives matter, and leaving open the possibility of realizing one’s dreams. Think here of the power of the American Dream to inspire not only Americans, but individuals around the world who still see the United States as the land of opportunity, as a place where hard work and perseverance is rewarded with success. It is likely no coincidence that, as recently reported by Forbes, forty percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants.

While the objection implied in Dionne’s observation appears at first to be little more than an appeal to the very foundations of America’s economic success, upon a moment’s reflection it is revealed to be nothing of the sort. To see this clearly, one need only distinguish what one earns (and therefore has just claim to) from what one is given (and therefore ought to be thankful for). Only a child mistakes gifts for their due. Adults know the difference between a paycheck and a birthday present.

What Dionne ineptly tries to express is the conservative belief that taking more from those who work harder, longer, and/or better, and who as a result earn more, serves as a disincentive to working harder, longer, and/or better. And that giving more to those who have not earned it serves as a similar disincentive. Conservatives rightly ask, why work when it will be taken from (or given to) you? To the best of my knowledge, contemporary liberals, like Dionne, have no answer.

The Marxist epiphany of Fordism, again, is paying a fair wage for a fair day’s work. It is the recognition that it is in the capitalist’s interest for his worker to earn a standard of living above that which simply keeps him working, that paying such wages increases aggregate demand for the products produced and thereby fuels economic growth. Dionne’s take on the conservative belief, however, denies that anyone, worker or capitalist, earns anything. Rather, rich and poor alike, each is simply “given” either much or little by the generous “we.”

But “we” who? The answer, of course, is simple: the “we” is society, or the state, or most accurately, society working through the state.

From Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s observation that “it takes a village to raise a child,” to Vice President Joe Biden’s assertion that both the First and Second Ladies of the United States “would not have any chance” without government assistance, the underlying assumption of contemporary liberals is that all success (like all truth, incidentally) is a social construct. There is no there, there. Success is simply a matter of subsidies (which explains the Obama Administration’s investment strategy in alternative energy).
Because one’s success is taken to be primarily (if not entirely) the result of society’s and not the individual’s efforts, it is society who justly has first claim on the proceeds thereof. Regardless of the amount of value created by the individual, society can justly leave to him as little as “we” decide. In sum, for contemporary liberals, no tax rate can ever be too high from the perspective of justice, and the fair share of the wealthy is whatever they feel it ought to be at that particular moment. Liberal ontology seems to come down to the following: I feel, therefore it is.

Now to be fair, contemporary liberals, like Dionne, are not seizing the wealth of the nation to throw lavish parties for their friends and family (although the recent GSA scandal may raise some doubts in that regard). Rather, they seek to channel the nation’s wealth for social productive purposes, to make the right choices that individuals will not make on their own. One can fairly say they seek to maximize their understanding of the general welfare through direct government intervention and action: think Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, Obamacare, various income support programs, subsidies for politically correct sectors of the economy, etc.

In short, contemporary liberals seek to use the state to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. Hence the derisive notion of the nanny state.

When one reflects upon it, however, one sees that the nanny state is a misnomer. Nannies are caring and considerate; they seek to cultivate the independent adult within the dependent child. In other words, nannies seek to render themselves obsolete, they do not seek to infantilize those under their care so as to perpetuate their rule over them. This, however, is precisely what the contemporary welfare state seeks to do. We have a term for those who seek to infantilize others in order to perpetuate their dependency, they are called pimps.

Like a pimp on the street, the great Leviathan preys on the hopes and dreams of individuals simply looking to better their situation. It offers them a fast, secure, and easy way of realizing their dreams, with little to no cost. “The Life of Julia,” which presents a life of dependency defined by the relationship between Julia and the government, however, is no Pretty Woman. Julia Roberts was an independent contractor.

Like a pimp on the street, when contemporary liberals look at the American people they see a bunch of rural, country bumpkins who require direction and instruction from their urban and urbane betters. Or as Kenny Red, one of the notorious stars of American Pimp put it, “If a ho don’t get no instruction she be heading for self destruction.” For liberals today, we the people are the ho in need. We are in need of their direction and guidance, because like a ho without a pimp we might not make the right choices.

When he was asked in American Pimp to justify the pimp’s claim to one hundred percent of the proceeds of his hoes’ labor, Bishop Don Magic Juan (perhaps America’s most famous pimp), provided what could easily be inscribed upon a monument raised to the mighty Leviathan: “I supply the food; I supply the shelter; I supply the clothing; I supply the medical bills; I take care of everything, all she has to do is supply the money.”

That is what the great pimp daddy Leviathan offers to us: a world where all we are asked to do is lie back and think of America.

Posted by: MSYB at July 17, 2012 12:22 AM (prSnR)

391 OK, I fully agree that Obama is a very bad president - possibly the worst ever.

One thing that I always think of when I hear the argument that the top 1% pay 40% of the income taxes is:

What percentage of the total INCOME do the top 1% have?

Do the top 1% also have 40% of the income? If so: Is that justified, or are they using their position of power to pocket a too large portion of the company's income? Workers are in a weaker position because it is much harder to change a job in many situations than it is to replace a average-skilled employee (e.g., family lives in town X. Town X only has one factory that needs employee's skill).

If the top 1% earn less than 40% of the income, then they should be paying less taxes.

If the top 1% earn more than 40%, then they should be paying more taxes. Also, we should think about whether so much wealth (=power) should be concentrated with so few people. Please don't get all "you're a kommie" on me; I'm merely suggesting that there MIGHT need to be a BALANCE.

Final thoughts: Perhaps it's time to lay aside dogma - on BOTH sides, and try to find a reasonable and reality-based solution. EVERYTHING, except extremism, CAN be a slippery slope. It takes real courage to step out of the comfort of one's simple formulas and explore complex solutions to our lives' complex problems.

Posted by: Former Liberal at July 31, 2012 05:42 AM (4PFYg)






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