Romney Senior Staff: Why That Obama Is a Liar, and We Plan To Start Calling Him Such

Useful, I think.

Obama's ads are raking Romney for Bain, and then you have Robert Gibbs saying "no one knows" if Romney is a tax evader. Suggesting he might be (despite no one, including the IRS, ever having alleged such a thing).

But Robert Gibbs wants you to wonder about it.

So yeah, call the Liar a Liar already.

Might as well call him a socialist, too. Or perhaps: "No one knows" if Obama is a Marxist socialist radical indoctrinated at the knees of Marxist terrorist Bill Ayers.

In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar,” the source said.

“They are very fed up with these attacks,” said the source…

“The feeling was that nobody is watching this right now,” said the source. “They had a time frame to respond to the Bain attacks… But today the counterattack with the surrogates is going to begin.”

This is the only way Obama can beat Romney -- so yes, Romney had better squash this gambit as forcefully as possible.

By the way, I don't really buy this argument from Bill Kristol, echoed/reported by AllahPundit:

The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral. Team Mitt seems to be banking on 1980 redux, when an avalanche of swing voters finally gave up on Carter and embraced Reagan after the debates. Is there any strong reason to believe that’ll happen again? With Reagan, the concern was that he was too “radical” and maybe too old to be trusted with the presidency. Once voters felt reassured about his competence and vision, they broke. No one’s worried about those things with Romney, though, despite the Democrats’ dumb insistence that he’s the wingnuttiest nominee since Barry Goldwater. Everyone, including his opponents, accepts that he’s sharp, sober, and cautious. He’s presidential material. So what’s going to change after the debates this time?

I addressed this idea earlier today. I think we tell ourselves stories to make simple, understandable narratives out of complex, multivariable events. Humans are natural storytellers, after all. Our brains cannot process all the enormous information in the world without the aid of stories. (Even our eyes do this: Our eyes engage in a lot of processing of visual stimulus before sending it on to the brain, creating a "story" in pictures for us.)

The story we tell of the Carter/Reagan campaign was that the public was iffy on Carter, but had deep reservations about Reagan's smarts and, actually, sanity, and then the debates settled all that, and then Reagan went ahead.

Well, sort of. First of all, Reagan's huge advantage never really showed up in the polls -- it showed up in election returns. Pollsters were caught off-guard, and were baffled. Witness this 1980 article from Time Magazine, as pollsters speculate what went wrong.

Reagan's landslide challenges the pulse-taker profession

For weeks before the presidential election, the gurus of public opinion polling were nearly unanimous in their findings. In survey after survey, they agreed that the coming choice between President Jimmy Carter and Challenger Ronald Reagan was "too close to call." A few points at most, they said, separated the two major contenders.

But when the votes were counted, the former California Governor had defeated Carter by a margin of 51% to 41% in the popular vote—a rout for a U.S. presidential race.

Some polls -- like the NBC poll -- had Reagan surging ahead. Most pollsters did not detect the surge, though.

And, as that quote suggests, while some people think Carter was ahead before the debates, he really wasn't.

But a review of the late 1980 polls shows that while Reagan soared over the final week (following the campaign's one and only debate on Oct. 29), the contest up until that point was tightly competitive, not trending toward the incumbent Democratic president. At the time, the Associated Press reported "new polls say the race between the two men remains too close to call."

A post-election summary of polls by then-CBS News pollster Warren Mitofsky shows that at no point over the final two weeks did Carter have a lead bigger than three percentage points. There is a published Gallup poll not included in that report showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27. Whether six or the eight points cited today, Carter's advantage in Gallup polling was offset by similarly large Reagan leads in NBC-Associated Press or DMI (Reagan's pollsters) polls.

I think, in retrospect, we tend to seize on one poll -- possibly an outlier, and thought of such at the time -- in order to illustrate whatever point we wish to make. If we want to gin up enthusiasm for a losing cause, we note "Gee, Gallup had Carter ahead by six points a week before the election," overlooking the other polls that put it as even, or put Reagan ahead. And then this one poll becomes our Moral for the Story we tell about the election.

But even beyond that, I think it's wrong to think too humanly about big, complicated, multivariable affairs like political elections. It's a good, simple story that the public had doubts about Reagan, until the one debate satisfied those doubts, and then Reagan one. Nice and clean.

But what if the country were doing well under Carter, and Reagan turned in the same charming, reassuring debate performance? Would the debate have turned the election then?

This gets to my point about underlying factors being crucial, and nearly determinative, to predicting election outcomes.

Yes, voters may have seized upon Reagan's debate performance as a reason to vote for him... but due to underlying factors (economy, hostage crisis) they were already looking for a reason to vote for him.

I'm not sure if his debate performance was a game-changer so much as a justification for people to do what they were already inclined to do.

When couples divorce, there's usually some precipitating event -- a singular event -- which spurs the actual decision. "The last straw," as they say. But the last straw was the last straw only because there were so many hundreds of straws before that one.

I believe in the concept of preference cascades and tipping points. I think the country is poised for a preference cascade; I think most undecided voters are looking for a reason to vote against Obama.

Whether it's a debate, or some Obama gaffe, or a charming Romney appearance on some news show, or a global depression... When you're looking for an excuse, you'll eventually find one.

Obama usually gets 46-48% support, in polls. But I consider 5-8% of that support either nominal (I'm saying I support him, but I really don't) or extraordinarily fragile (I'll give him one last chance).

It's an unhappy marriage. The public is very disappointed in Obama, and by the all gods of Hyboria, is Obama disappointed right back at a public too stupid to understand his awesomeness.

Everyone's looking for an excuse to get out of this unhappy arrangement. Including, I think, in his heart of hearts, Barack Obama.

They'll find that excuse. I don't know what it'll end up being, but they will find it.

And then, in 20 years, the Story of the election will be "Oh right, Romney put the election away when he picked [Insert Candidate Name Here] as Vice President."

But that won't be the truth of it. The election was actually all but decided when the third sub-100,000 jobs report came down, way back in early July.

Posted by: Ace at 06:37 PM



Comments

1 You have my permission, Mitt.

Posted by: Joe Wilson at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (QKKT0)

2 "I Tried Real Hard" but conservatives made it difficult for me to tell the truth.

Posted by: B to the O at July 09, 2012 06:38 PM (FcR7P)

3 Bring me to the knife fight, Mitt!

Posted by: A Gun at July 09, 2012 06:39 PM (Zv7zn)

4 I may have touched myself down there and liked it, but no knows for certain.

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at July 09, 2012 06:40 PM (Zv7zn)

5 Regrettably, there goes the New Tone.

Posted by: The MSM at July 09, 2012 06:40 PM (QKKT0)

6 Look! His lips are moving!

Posted by: I'll Take 'How Do You Know A Politician Is Lying, for $200 ,Alex at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (bkd6k)

7 No one knows if Obama sucks cock.

Fuck who am I kidding I have seen him do it for almost 4 years.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at July 09, 2012 06:41 PM (++kZl)

8 I know that the Obama guys are really working that Bain capitol angle but I really don't think its taking hold. I bet fewer people even know what Bain Capitol was than know what Solyndra was.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 09, 2012 06:42 PM (r4wIV)

9 **It's an unhappy marriage. The public is very disappointed in Obama, and by the all gods of Hyboria, is Obama disappointed right back at a public too stupid to understand his awesomeness.**

That's a problem because racist ass obama thinks that importing new voters from say...mexico...are smart enough to understand his awesomeness. That's racist because it means Obama must think they are reallllllllllly stupid.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 09, 2012 06:43 PM (QxSug)

10 Calling a spade a spade never went out of fashion.

Wait. What?

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 09, 2012 06:45 PM (+4zf0)

11 I'm, gah, hoping sounds so bad in this context, hopeful maybe that Gibbs going after Romney's personal ethics will prove to be the last straw and will make Romney come out swinging even harder. Gibbs is calling Romney a criminal with no evidence whatsoever. For a man who is justifiably proud of this ethics, that has to be a bridge too far.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 09, 2012 06:46 PM (Gk3SS)

12 I may have had sex with that dog, but no one knows for certain

Posted by: David Axelrod at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (Zv7zn)

13 >>and then you have Robert Gibbs saying "no one knows" if Romney is a tax evader.

When did that become a bad thing?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (hO8IJ)

14 Bill Kristol has found his niche: he's the "concerned Republican" that is always available for a juicy media quote when a narrative needs some propping up.

Posted by: Slublog at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (SjVZP)

15 I don't think we have to worry about Romney not swinging too hard. And imagine if Veep is Christie...yikes. But srsly tho, Tpaw would be great too.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (QxSug)

16 Mitt Romney's Pants Are On Fire, Regarding Calling Democrats Liars

Posted by: 'Non-Partisan' PolitiFact Truth-O-Meter at July 09, 2012 06:47 PM (bkd6k)

17
Much as I loath them, I'm betting that Luntz's Dunces will pan The Won's acceptance speech in Charlotte and then the nosedive will begin...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (UzjcV)

18 King Putt is a fibber?
I bet he shaves strokes on his scorecard.

And Mochelle's back.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (+4zf0)

19 Rest assured, if Romney made a single error on a tax return we would know about it. Or does Obama have too much integrity to dig into an opponent's tax records?

Posted by: real joe at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (PD2ad)

20 Hmmm.....look what got lost in Friday's news dump:

http://is.gd/38GJN8

Planned Parenthood hardest hit....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (P6H+d)

21 I've seen a few articles (media and blog), as well as a few comments from some of the morons here, accusing Romney of not fighting back hard enough. To me, he is fighting back more than McCain did (a very low bar, I realize), but I wonder if he's holding back until at least the conventions. With his cash advantage, he can unleash a torrent of ads closer to election time. Let Obama bust his nut now when it really doesn't matter.

While I do enjoy the red meat, thank you Col. West, I'm hoping that Romney is doing a rope-a-dope....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (Asr6U)

22 Why have I not shown up in the comments sooner?

Posted by: Turbo Tax Timmeh at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (GULKT)

23 For a man who is justifiably proud of this ethics, that has to be a bridge too far.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 09, 2012 06:46 PM (Gk3SS)


We can only hope! There's certainly plenty of reason, this is practically "normal" behavior from the left.

Calling someone a liar is supposed to be an accusation with a high bar in politics (though honestly that rule has only ever applied to the right), but it's eminently justified and quite provable in this case.

You could choose a different lie at each campaign stop and never run out.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (bxiXv)

24 >>>> then Reagan one. <<<<<<

won

Posted by: annoying interenet correction dude at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (Y+wkX)

25 Romney's incredibly, unprecedentedly, evil and mean, calling Obama a liar. Dog whistle for racism to boot. Oh, he's also a super-rich, lying tax evader. Oh, and an insider of the Mormon cult. More to follow....

Posted by: lamestream presstitutes at July 09, 2012 06:50 PM (ZIccV)

26 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this "Liar" angle. People might associate Romney with those guys yelling in town halls years ago, and we know what a disaster that turned out to be.

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (6LvlL)

27
21 Let Obama bust his nut now when it really
doesn't matter.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (Asr6U)



That's what I said!!

Posted by: Moochelle's turkey baster at July 09, 2012 06:51 PM (UzjcV)

28 Even Rush was on about Mitt's obsession with the economy to the exclusion of everything else today. I tend to agree: there's way too much low hanging fruit that Mitt's campaign is ignoring.

It's kinda like China's army: if Mitt just focused on one bad thing teh SCOAMF's done per week, he still wouldn't run out of ads by November. To put it financial terms, it's time for Mitt to expand and diversify.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 09, 2012 06:52 PM (d0Tfm)

29 Given the O'DogEater administration's fixation with enemies' lists, and getting even with enemies, are people going to tell the truth to some stranger calling them up on the phone, demanding to know their political preferences?

If a pollster called me, I would probably be an "undecided" just to keep from ending up on a list somewhere.......being in the Land of Obama makes me a bit paranoid though.

Posted by: Boots at July 09, 2012 06:52 PM (neKzn)

30
"dog whistle"? Is that the sweet part of the collie leg?

Posted by: Barry Oflustercluck at July 09, 2012 06:53 PM (Y+wkX)

31 "Romney Senior Staff: Why That Obama Is a Liar, and We Plan To Start Calling Him Such"

About effin' time. And don't stop at just the one Bain Capital Lie. Point 'em all out. You could promote a new lie a day (like a cartoon-a-day calendar) from now to well beyond the election and not run out. Not saying to do that as it could water down the biggest, most consequential lies, but a Dirty Dozen repeated ad nauseum might be a reasonable starting point.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 09, 2012 06:53 PM (eHIJJ)

32 again, remember that in 2008 Obama ran to the right of McCain promising to cut spending, cut taxes, nuke terrorists, behead gays, appearing reserved on abortion, and promising that he had a super special plan to help the economy that that dummy bush and mccain had spent too much money to appreciate. Can't run as that again, tell you whut.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (QxSug)

33 Romney should have quashed this attack right away, he should try looking presidential after he's president. And he shouldn't have money in foreign banks because the rubes in this country will think he's trying to hide something, that's an unforced error.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (k1XCX)

34 I've seen a few articles (media and blog), as well as a few comments from some of the morons here, accusing Romney of not fighting back hard enough.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (Asr6U)


One of the reasons for that is even *conservatives* spend so much time talking about what the MSM does - which is cover for the left.

So half the time Romney responds to something directly or in a conference, it doesn't make "the news," so it looks like he did nothing.

The point that he's managing resources and saving for the big push is quite correct.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (bxiXv)

35 I wish we could get some decent conservatives on the Sunday morning talking heads shows too. Zuckerman had it going on for a bit yesterday. Then some libtard who reminded me of a slimmer Bawney Fwank brought up how well GM was doing after their bailout.
Did Mort come back with how much of that was due to govt purchases with the taxpayers footing the bill, again?
Noooooo.
I say we slide one of you morons onto that panel this Sunday. Would love to see the look on Donna Blowzolle's face after one of our morons got done with her.
Then you could say "See Mr Will - that's how it's done".

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (ETWo2)

36 The italics are monitoring us again!

Posted by: Moochelle's turkey baster at July 09, 2012 06:54 PM (UzjcV)

37 I bet he shaves strokes on his scorecard.

And Mochelle's back.
Posted by: Joe Mama at July 09, 2012 06:48 PM (+4zf0)
--------------------------------------------------------
But mostly Moochelles back.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (jucos)

38 Barky,

Your guy called me a liar. I don't like that kind of talk.

Meet me at dawn (well 10:30 for you) on the field of honor.

Bring your bean bag pistola.

signed Teh Mittster

Posted by: Mephitis at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (j8+HH)

39

Whoops. Italicans off. Hopefully.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (eHIJJ)

40 Obama's outsourcing problems.

2009 GM reduced its workforces in Canada and Mexico to shift production to cheaper Peoples Republic of China.

And at General Electric, all those CFLs are made in, wait for it, the PRC.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (T9VmS)

41 Ace,

I agree that multi-variable processes tend to confuse us, so we create our own narrative. But people are also good at seeing (maybe...sensing) trends, which in reality is just those many variables nudging us toward one conclusion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 09, 2012 06:56 PM (nEUpB)

42 It ain't over until the fat FLOTUS sings.

Posted by: Crashpanic at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (+yoLb)

43 A friend of mine overheard Target employees (yes, TARGET employees) talking about Obamacare, and said they didn't think it was fair that rich people wouldn't have to pay the tax. (See how confused they get, even when they are TRYING to understand? THAT is the media's fault.)

So my friend explained that rich people were going to pay, and the ones who were exempt were unions, Muslims, certain cronies, etc. They were flabbergasted and really put out.

I suggest everyone engage with the public purely on information. Like, "Did you know that while the Catholic Church is having to support this, Muslims are exempt? I just don't think that's fair."

That ought to get people really agitated and every little bit helps!


Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (GoIUi)

44 And there is a trend of abandonment in the Democrat ranks. Look at the no-shows for their convention, the crown jewel of how they are united in sending Obama back to DC.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (T9VmS)

45 No one knows if Robert Gibbs rapes poodles.

Posted by: fluffy at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (z9HTb)

46 The guy in for savage is playing a clip of BO redefining what it means to be middle class and people aren't so happy about the redefinition. But it just occurred to me, when the unemployment stopped were people told to go on disability? How can they do that cause why else would the disability rolls have swelled.

I think Romney should keep his finances to himself. He gave them a tax return, that's enough.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (oZfic)

47 No one knows if Bobby Gibbs is a twisted pederast.

Posted by: nickless at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (MMC8r)

48 Hopefully, Mitt will just stick to the tactic of "correcting the record" instead of using the "L" word.

All that's needed is to point out the truth, with no dramatization. Just the facts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (d0Tfm)

49 Robert Gibbs is jealous, poodles are smarter than he is.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (T9VmS)

50 This old.

Posted by: hh at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (5H6zj)

51 And at General Electric, all those CFLs are made in, wait for it, the PRC.

---

What..... you think we're gonna LET them haul tons of mercury into a plant on OUR soil???

Posted by: The E.P.A..... bitches. at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (ffV1/)

52 I generally have the opinion that 'the event' is reporting of polling in the last 7 days of the campaign that shows one candidate solidly ahead. It's the excuse to join the winning team.

But Romney has to be clobbering O in the polls in order for this to be covered - the MSM will never report straight polling trends that show R consistently ahead.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (X/+QT)

53 And this administration going after 'tax evaders?'

Tim Geithner, call your office.

Posted by: nickless at July 09, 2012 07:00 PM (MMC8r)

54 That ought to get people really agitated and every little bit helps!

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (GoIUi)


It's a good idea, and people should do more of it. But a *lot* of people still believe everything they hear on CNN/MSNBC/ The Lack-of-Comedy Channel, so it's like a 33% proposition - but worth doing, because we don't need 90% of the vote, we need 51%. Well, 55% before cheating occurs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (bxiXv)

55 48
Hopefully, Mitt will just stick to the tactic of "correcting the record" instead of using the "L" word.



All that's needed is to point out the truth, with no dramatization. Just the facts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (d0Tfm)


He should practice a folksy, "There he goes again!" :-D

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (X/+QT)

56 Yes Goddamnit, call the lying bastard a fucking liar!

Jesus Christ, are we trying to lose this on purpose?

Posted by: ErikW at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (zEOIt)

57 Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 06:58 PM (GoIUi)

No, people don't want an explanation. They aren't stupid, they see it. The problem is they have been rendered powerless or at least their perception is that they have been rendered powerless. They think it doesn't matter if you vote cause there is cheating. They think it doesn't matter if you do the right thing cause there are plenty of people with connections out there who are exempt from doing the right thing. They have been effectively neutered by the MSM.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (oZfic)

58 I really like this idea that, deep down, Obama wants out, too.

Let's face it, having to actually work and try to produce positive results must be killing the guy. And the minute he's out of office, he can go back to being The One for the rest of his worthless life.

Because it's not like anyone is ever going to ask him to do anything that can be measured again, and everyone who surrounds him (and a large contingent of the public, including the MFM) will never admit that he wasn't the most Amazing Man Who Ever Lived, Even Better Than That Carpenter Guy From 2000 Years Ago.

Posted by: Kensington at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (/AHDz)

59 Romney/Wilson 2012?

Posted by: Kensington at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (/AHDz)

60 The Dough Boy only has a mons pubis, much like the GI Joes of old. Or so I'm told. No one really knows for sure.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (jucos)

61 50 This old.
Posted by: hh at July 09, 2012 06:59 PM (5H6zj)


Come on, not cool, socking regulars.

I know everyone gets away with doing it to ozfic for whatever reason, but it's supposed to be a rule.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 07:02 PM (bxiXv)

62 If the SCoaMT looks into his 'heart of hearts', all he sees is 'I's all the way down.

Posted by: No Turtles For Old Socialists at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (ccXZP)

63 They should call Obama a little bitch while they're at it, a lying little bitch.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (k1XCX)

64 56
Yes Goddamnit, call the lying bastard a fucking liar!



Jesus Christ, are we trying to lose this on purpose?

Posted by: ErikW at July 09, 2012 07:01 PM (zEOIt)
Have you not noticed that he could be an academy award winning actor if he wanted. Sure, call him a liar, watch how much mileage BO gets out of that. It's not that simple, if it was romney would have made his move.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 07:03 PM (oZfic)

65
"I think most undecided voters are looking for a reason to vote against Obama."

And Romney's people are not giving them any. The lastsuccessful Obama attacks were spearheaded by bloggers, especially Treacher's dog-eating find. What is Romeny paying his campaign staff for if they have no ideas? And why hoard the money for a late strike when it might be too late? If you have the money use some now, don't let Obama get in front even for a moment.
And one last thing, if you are short of ideas go read conservative blogs. MSM have no problems with getting their ideas form lefty blogs. You can't be standoffish if you want to win.

Posted by: Decaf at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (c2dKz)

66 I am not a crook.

Posted by: Obarkybles at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (vbh31)

67 I really like this idea that, deep down, Obama wants out, too.


I think the odds are at least 50/50 that Obama has a massive freakout in public before the election.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (Gk3SS)

68 I suggest everyone engage with the public purely on information.

I had to straighten out yet another music buddy the other night about the Trayvon/Zimmerman thing. He thought that GZ was the one on top of TM whaling away when he shot him.

He now knows differently. To quote the great Ronaldus Maximus, "It's not that they're stupid, they just know so much that isn't true." That's being polite.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 09, 2012 07:04 PM (d0Tfm)

69 Reporter: "Gov Romney, Obama just gave a speech and said blahblahblah. What is your response?"

Romney laughs, smiles and says, "There Obama goes again." Shakes head, sighs, launches into talking points.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:05 PM (X/+QT)

70
O/T... but not really.

I have one brother and one sister that lean left. My brother, who would.not.shut.the.hell.up about politics in 2008-2009 wont even discuss it any longer.

My sister, who almost NEVER discusses politics, posted the quote from Reagan about "the government being the problem, not the solution" on Facebook today.

The undertow is strong AND deep.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (ffV1/)

71 No one knows if Robert Gibbs rapes poodles.

Andrea Dworkin aside, is it really rape if the receiver kind of digs it?

Posted by: Cicero at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (QKKT0)

72

then you have Robert Gibbs saying "no one
knows" if Romney is a tax evader. Suggesting he might be (despite no one,
including the IRS, ever having alleged such a thing).
Someone should call the slimy little shit on this one.Ask him if he thinks it is fair? Straight up ask in the press
briefing if saying "no one knows" if Robert Gibbs is a
pedophile? Suggesting he might be
(despite no one ever having alleged such a thing) is reasonable based on Mr.
Gibbs standards.





Posted by: rd at July 09, 2012 07:06 PM (9sUlj)

73 Catbox needs emptying again.

Posted by: Cicero at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (QKKT0)

74 My Auntie Toonces taught me to lie effectively at a very early age.

Posted by: Obarkybles at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (vbh31)

75
This is the only way Obama can beat Romney -- so yes, Romney had better squash this gambit as forcefully as possible.

The problem, from my limited point of view, (I'm in Pennsylvania), is that the anti Romney stuff has been playing every night on TV, a couple times per hour during prime time, and there has been no response from Romney, his campaign, or conservative PAC's at all.

I'm glad they've agreed to show up, but the game's already in the ninth inning. Rom-Co needs to up their game, in a very big way.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (L7hol)

76 When romney sends out the video of all the money he gave to the IRS, real money with armed guards watching the money, will you all shut up about his strategy?

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 07:08 PM (oZfic)

77 Romney laughs, smiles and says, "There Obama goes again." "that guy, what a steaming turd he is." Shakes head, sighs, launches into talking points.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: Cicero at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (QKKT0)

78 I say, this Romney chap is not playing fair. A mere candidate cannot just flit from one tete a tete to the next, calling the President of the United States a -- dare one say it? -- fibmeister.

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (+XVQe)

79 No one knows whether Robert Gibbs has a different understanding of the term 'animal husbandry' than normal, upstanding, moral people.

Posted by: chuckR at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (UGxsK)

80 I don't think Bain is going to work for Obama like he thinks it will. On the one hand he's hammering money makers while begging them with the other. That hopey changey shit didn't work out either so I dont expect many money bombs. If Repubs could work on some Hollywood legislation (fair share dontcha know) we might be able to take a bite out of that as well. Americans can't be suffering too badly if they can keep actors flowing with cash.

Posted by: ryukyu at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (MOHSR)

81 Over a year ago there were leaks out of the WH that Obama didn't particularly like the job. Too hard, took too much time, wasn't what he expected, etc.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 09, 2012 07:09 PM (mBZQG)

82 On the other hand, I can see a "Prince of Lies" ad campaign working wonders.

Posted by: Methos at July 09, 2012 07:10 PM (6LvlL)

83 I may just have the tiniest, most ineffectual penis on the planet; no one knows.

Posted by: ergie at July 09, 2012 07:10 PM (0d0K7)

84 **So my friend explained that rich people were going to pay, and the ones who were exempt were unions, Muslims, certain cronies, etc. They were flabbergasted and really put out.**

don't forget nancy pelosi's district.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at July 09, 2012 07:10 PM (QxSug)

85 Catbox needs emptying again.

Posted by: Cicero at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (QKKT0)


And it touched me. Ewww.

Posted by: ErikW at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (zEOIt)

86 Obama attacks Romney for having a Swiss bank account? Should Romney have invested that Swiss bank account money withBernie Madoff or Jon Corzine instead? Or one of Obama's other big donors maybe. And why is Corzine walking around free, still? Everyone konws he is gonna skate, thanks to the Democrat Party and Obama.

Posted by: the debil at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (+56Bh)

87 It broke my heart when college did what it does and turned my sweet, smart, delightful nephew into the leftwing nutjob he became during the 2008 election season.

Nowadays he insists to me that he isn't really all that liberal after all.

I still think he's going to vote for Obama again, but it's nice to see he might still be able to recover. I thought it was a lost cause.

On the other hand, so far, everyone in my family who voted for Obama still plans to vote for him again. Mind you, this is Chicago.

Posted by: Kensington at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (/AHDz)

88 #57 I disagree. A lot of people do not know this stuff. I don't expect them to know all of the details, but no one in the media has really covered the Catholic vs. Muslim treatment. I am telling you, it gets them really mad.

And it is really easy, once they are mad about something like this, to simply figure out that Romney said he would repeal it, and Obama will not.

I switched to voting GOP after I had voted for Carter, having come from a yellow-dog democrat family. At some point, I got flat-out disgusted, and even though I waffled back and forth on who to vote for, by the time September rolled around I was part of ace's preference cascade.

So every little thing you say to people can snowball, and for those who were uneasy with Obama, the Muslim thing might be the famous Last Straw.

I refuse to give up, and if that is what you are suggesting, so we don't get ourselves disappointed, then please take yourself to Eeyore's Gloomy Place, which is Rather Boggy and Sad.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (GoIUi)

89 "Everyone's looking for an excuse to get out of this unhappy arrangement. Including, I think, in his heart of hearts, Barack Obama."

I've wondered about that, too. Presidentin' is hard.

Posted by: Scobface at July 09, 2012 07:12 PM (IoNBC)

90 Mitt -- call me, I'll hook you up.

Posted by: Tony Rezko at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (mBZQG)

91 I remember the 1980 election and the events leading up to it.

People were quietly seething - couldn't WAIT to vote the peanut farmer out.

My guess is - given the length of the line I waited in on Election Day - they saw those polls that showed Carter was leading, and they got off of their duffs to go down to the voting booths, because By God, they weren't going to let that happen on their watch.

That being said, I think that Reagan had it won long before that - Carter wasn't going to win in that environment; we'd been in gas lines, we'd been through the Iranian Hostage Crisis, we'd been accused of "malaise", we'd been told to lower our thermostats and wear sweaters in the winter, we'd seen interest rates rise to exorbitant heights,etc.

His goose was cooked long before that last week....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 09, 2012 07:13 PM (P6H+d)

92 80
"I don't think Bain is going to work for Obama like he thinks it will."

What do you mean? People understand that Mittens is a corporate raider meany-type and I've created (or saved) hundreds of high paying government jobs.

Wait, what?

Posted by: King Barry the Economically Illiterate at July 09, 2012 07:14 PM (+XVQe)

93 will you all shut up about his strategy?
Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 07:08 PM (oZfic)


Wait, where did you *think* you were posting that message?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 09, 2012 07:14 PM (bxiXv)

94 Including, I think, in his heart of hearts, Barack Obama."

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Well... suck it up buttercup.

I aint been to Australia or Rio De Janeiro yet.

Posted by: FLOTUS at July 09, 2012 07:15 PM (ffV1/)

95 Re #93: "Shut up," he explained.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:16 PM (X/+QT)

96 No one knows if I'm really alive or if my grinning corpse is just propped up like Lenin in his mausoleum.

Posted by: San Fran Nan at July 09, 2012 07:17 PM (+XVQe)

97 Prediction: Romney outraises Obama, wins, and then refunds surplus campaign funds pro-rata to donors #DIVIDENDS

Posted by: @ParisParamus at July 09, 2012 07:17 PM (GFX++)

98 Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (GoIUi)

Miss Marple its really not worth debating with a lying troll that links Trig Truther articles and registered as a Republican in the primary for the sole reason of voting against Romney.

Posted by: Turbo Tax Timmeh at July 09, 2012 07:17 PM (GULKT)

99 ozzzz..... ficccck

sounds just like hacking up a loogie

Posted by: FLOTUS at July 09, 2012 07:19 PM (ffV1/)

100 Off damn actual tax evading sock.

Posted by: buzzion at July 09, 2012 07:19 PM (GULKT)

101 .... my socks need darning too.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2012 07:20 PM (ffV1/)

102 I think 4$ a gallon for gas is about right. We just got there too fast. And my energy secretary thinks 8$ is about right.

Your utility rates will skyrocket under my administration.

Yeah, more where that came from.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:20 PM (RM1gx)

103 #98 If I had noticed the ozflic thing before I posted, I wouldn't have bothered. I thought it was another typical troll.

Oh, well, my response is up for any lurkers, which might be valuable. I hated to let that ridiculous Eeyorism stand.

Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 07:21 PM (GoIUi)

104 The problem, from my limited point of view, (I'm in
Pennsylvania), is that the anti Romney stuff has been playing every
night on TV, a couple times per hour during prime time, and there has
been no response from Romney, his campaign, or conservative PAC's at
all.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 09, 2012 07:07 PM (L7hol)



This was the big thing I was worried about. The Dems always define the GOP candidate (with MSM help) and we have to play catchup (without MSM help).

Romney was initially really good at responding to attacks - but if he is failing (or failed already) at immediately destroying the Dem's branding attempts, then color me very unhappy.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:21 PM (X/+QT)

105 Yeah, more where that came from.

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Coal. Coal. What'd he say about coal????

Something about going bankrupt if I remember correctly.

/s

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2012 07:22 PM (ffV1/)

106
I'm glad they've agreed to show up, but the game's already in the ninth inning. Rom-Co needs to up their game, in a very big way.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket




Well, top of the 7th perhaps.

But you're got to wonder about his July strategy of taking a week off to play house, then heading overseas to dick around in the Eastern Hemisphere instead of, say Virginia.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 09, 2012 07:22 PM (kdS6q)

107 Landslide

Posted by: runninrebel at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (N/1Dm)

108 I have no evidence that Bob Gibbs is not a lying hack of a weaselly asswipe. Oh, wait...

Posted by: joncelli at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (CWlPF)

109 Look, I don't think a lot of the idiots out there actually listen to what barky says. In 2008 all they heard was hope, change and transparency.
Play short clips of him saying these things then talk about who 4$ gas really hurts.
Most transparent admin evah? Hell, that one's almost too easy.
Etc. Etc. Start hammering that worthless commies ass.
And please, please, please give Allen a good speaking slot at the convention and turn him loose.
Let the people see what real intelligence looks and sounds like.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:30 PM (9ek7+)

110 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 09, 2012 07:33 PM (Xb3hu)

111 I probably should have said Allen West.
You fine folks knew who I meant but poor old ozfic....

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:38 PM (pyh5u)

112
Axelrod calling Romney, "the most secretive candidate ever".....is a Lie.

Barky clearly still owns this title.
His 'sealed records'....are still sealed.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:39 PM (MbB0O)

113 Barack Hussien Obama is a lying sucker of cock.

See how easy that is?

Now you try

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at July 09, 2012 07:42 PM (KhioZ)

114 That would be part of the "most transparent" ad wheatie. And the fast and furious documents.
And get someone with some nads (again, can you say Allen West) on a talking heads show.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:44 PM (F1lOF)

115 i know some of Romney's staff. they are very, very sharp. If given the green light, the campaign will ramp up the gloves will come off. these people want it

Posted by: kelley in virginia at July 09, 2012 07:46 PM (p3a8+)

116 Hell, the local cbs and abc affiliates around here show nothing but infomercials for two hours after the Sunday talking heads shows? Is it like that in some of the swing states?
If so, that time can't be that expensive. Buy a half hour and hammer their commie asses without interruption.

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:49 PM (WY3bD)

117 He's super-saturated - the preference cascade has initiated but the MBM & their BS polls are artificially retarding the cascade.

Posted by: motionview at July 09, 2012 07:50 PM (i+DU3)

118 I asked my husband tonight at dinner, how is Obama going to convince millions of unemployed people that they have jobs and are "doing just fine" and "moving in the right direction."?

Posted by: Marie at July 09, 2012 07:50 PM (P9OJs)

119
You know....it's pretty outrageous for Gibbs to say "no one knows, if Romney is a tax evader"....

When...everyone knows that Timmy Geithner...is.
Along with about a dozen notable Dem politicians.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:50 PM (MbB0O)

120
The predictable counterattack will be that Calling the "President" a Liar diminishes the Office...

The reply should be... "no, Obama is diminishing the Office.... Obama is the one telling Lies"...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2012 07:51 PM (lZBBB)

121 And if I sound pissed off at those corrupt commie bastards...

Posted by: teej at July 09, 2012 07:51 PM (WY3bD)

122
Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:39 PM (MbB0O)

That should be the comeback...

Romney has NOT sealed his Records by Executive Order...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2012 07:52 PM (lZBBB)

123 104

That's what I've been saying for a month. They're letting themselves be defined as a bigger 'whackjob' than Goldwater (and MORMON too, but don't say that out loud!). By the time they get done 'fundraising' and move to 'campaigning' the MSM is already going to have its talking points/marching orders from Chicago in order, and he'll spend the entire campaign playing Defense.

It's pathetic and unnecessary. But unfortunately, that's Romney's election history when campaigning against Democrats, as opposed to the scorched-earth tactics he employs on his own. We don't call him "Mittens" for nothing.

Posted by: Shawn at July 09, 2012 07:53 PM (/lltO)

124 How about a week or two of surrogates counter-attacking with "There he goes again, lying." Once that has sunk in, then you can drop the 'liar' portion since it's impolite and now we all know what the phrase means.

I'm looking for a bumper sticker, something that people can nod their heads to (independants won't agree when some partisan screams he's a liar, but can nod their heads when a friend calmly says there he goes again).

Just one more 'justification' for when the indeps looks through the list of excuses to join the cascade.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 07:56 PM (X/+QT)

125
114That would be part of the "most transparent" ad wheatie. And the fast and furious documents.
And get someone with some nads (again, can you say Allen West) on a talking heads show.


Which is why I keep wishing for Allen West as the VP pick, teej.
It would make liberal heads explode....and I think he would be great, on several levels.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:57 PM (MbB0O)

126 I've seen a few articles (media and blog), as well as a few comments from some of the morons here, accusing Romney of not fighting back hard enough.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 09, 2012 06:49 PM (Asr6U)


This is mystifying to me. Romney has been giving Obama lots of exploding cigars, and Obama wraps his lips around it every time. There was a lull over the Fourth of July week when no one was paying attention to politics, and it would have been a complete waste to run ads. I think people have been panicking because of the ObamaTax decision. Be of courage, Good People.

A young lion springs because he can, a mature lion springs because it is time.

Based on past performance, I believe that confidence is justified.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 07:58 PM (dizKt)

127 "call the Liar a Liar"

And I'd call him a spade but he's not really a spade.

Posted by: Crazy Mad Mitt at July 09, 2012 07:59 PM (wAQA5)

128 Oh. And know one knows if Obama is a radical Alinskyite...oh, wait.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 07:59 PM (dizKt)

129 And no one knows if Obama is engaged in a cover-up of events leading to border patrol agents and hundreds of Mexicans. Well, crap. That one doesn't work either.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 08:00 PM (dizKt)

130 Re "secret bank accounts": I'm just waiting for someone to ask Fibbs whether his bank accounts are "public", and if so, would he please tell us where they are, what his account number is, and how much is in them?

Ditto for Debbie Curlyfries-Schultz.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 09, 2012 08:02 PM (pJbuO)

131 And know one knows if Obama is violating his Oath by knowingly failing to enforce duly executed laws. Crud. Foiled again.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 08:02 PM (dizKt)

132 One more try. No one knows if Obama was a habitual drug user as an adult...Help me out here, guys.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 08:03 PM (dizKt)

133 "Romney Senior Staff: Why That Obama Is a Liar, and..."

No fucking shit???

Damn, that's gotta be the scoop of THE YEAR!!!

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 09, 2012 08:04 PM (4s7w4)

134 "No one knows".....if Barky thinks that the US Flag is a symbol of oppression, worldwide......no, wait...he actually said that.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 08:05 PM (MbB0O)

135
Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:57 PM (MbB0O)

Yep... could you see Representative Col. Alan West... as the Vice President... actualy doing the Constitutional Duty of the Vice President???

ie... President of the SENATE?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2012 08:05 PM (lZBBB)

136 There is a counter - Bain add out now.
It quotes the Washington Post as saying that Obama's add about Bainis a lie.

And it uses Hillary! from 2008 telling Barack Obama to quit lying.
Pretty good add. It will probably be playing everywhere soon. Romney is punching back.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 09, 2012 08:06 PM (sJTmU)

137 OWS told me that US Banks are eeeeeeeeevil. Romney is trying to be a good 'citizen of the world' and 'spread the wealth around'. I'm not sure what the problem is.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 08:07 PM (X/+QT)

138
135
Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 07:57 PM (MbB0O)


Yep... could you see Representative Col. Alan West... as the Vice President... actualy doing the Constitutional Duty of the Vice President???

ie... President of the SENATE?

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Why yes. Yes, I could see West presiding over the Senate.
It'd be like having a 'new sheriff in town'.

Posted by: wheatie at July 09, 2012 08:10 PM (MbB0O)

139
Wow... over at Breitbart they have a tape of Carney, putting forth the idea that the Bush tax cuts CAUSED the Recession.... ie trying to link HIGHER taxes to more economic growth...

/facepalm...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2012 08:16 PM (lZBBB)

140 Oh. And calling people liars is usually the move of a cranky, cry-baby loser. There are better ways of doing it.

One thing about "moderates" or "independents" is that they cannot stand psychological discomfort. Calling someone "Liar" is one of the number one ways of getting their emotional panties in a wad. They will run to the side that they perceive can provide succor for their wounded sensibilities.

Romney cannot and should not say it. We can. Lesser pols can. But as soon as Romney says it, he cannot recover his position. This is a job for Chris Christie who has the instincts for this sort of thing.

(Would love to discuss sometime how the name "Obama" has sort of a soothing lullaby sound to it, and how I think a lot of people are attracted to it because it provides a sort of soothing white noise to those who want to escape the perceived stress in their lives.)

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 08:18 PM (dizKt)

141 I suggest calling him Lying Hussein to his face in the debates.
See if he blows.

Posted by: wth at July 09, 2012 08:18 PM (wAQA5)

142 People will say they like Obama because they polls are worded to favor Democrats, and because it will be strongly hinted they'll be called racist if they do not. Our greatest enemy is our "free" press.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 09, 2012 08:18 PM (i0App)

143 But as soon as Romney says it, he cannot recover his position.

Agreed!

Posted by: Guy who always says we're better than that at July 09, 2012 08:21 PM (vbh31)

144 But as soon as Romney says it, he cannot recover his position.

Agreed!
Posted by: Guy who always says we're better than that at July 09, 2012 08:21 PM (vbh31)


Judging by the sock, this, I assume, is snark.

I am not claiming to be the best in the biz, but I think I do pretty well at persuading judges and juries. There are simply things that blow your credibility. You always, ALWAYS place the burden of judging credibility on the trier of fact. "I am sure that as you review the facts, you will have to come to the conclusion that my opponent must be mistaken, or has simply forgotten that .... blah, blah."

"I am sure that as you weigh my opponent's credibility, you will notice that she is wanting in many regards..."

Etc.

Calling someone a liar is a lot like getting angry. You are perceived as the one who has lost the argument.

I have learned these things the hard way.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 09, 2012 08:31 PM (dizKt)

145 "No one knows...." - What's on Obama's college transcripts, the name on his passport, etc..There are so many entries for Obama it's scary. But these are not going to answered in this election. Romney needs to smack down this line of attack without being baited into discussing anything other than Obama's absolute failure as a president.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 09, 2012 08:31 PM (2ucnU)

146 Crom dwells in his cave, and does not hear the supplications of weaklings, traitorsand marxists. Those other Hyperborian Gods.... pussys

Posted by: meleager at July 09, 2012 08:36 PM (tU/Ae)

147 #75, #106 - calm down. It is maybe the 2nd or 3rd inning. It is before Labor day, the GOP conventiona hasn't been held, and in August people will be watching the Olympics and not focused on politics. Most polls show that O can't break the mid 40s.
It is a saying in politics that the first campaign to go all negative is the one that is in trouble. Give the sliminess of the O machine this probably doesn't mean anything but the fact that O is all negative 4+ months before the election is saying something,
Mitt should respond but in a positive manner as some have suggested above

Posted by: NoBama12 at July 09, 2012 08:38 PM (ykY2u)

148 Hey, "no one knows" if Robert Gibbs is a gooch smoocher.

Posted by: Fritz at July 09, 2012 08:38 PM (02fNe)

149
Obama lies about everything and the media say nothing. Obama is referring to tax rates AS tax cuts. Tax rates are NOT tax cuts. Do the media care? nope.

Obama is saying that tax cuts are causing the debt. WHAT A LOAD. HelloRomney - NOW IF YOUR CHANCE.

Posted by: Fresh at July 09, 2012 08:48 PM (O7ksG)

150
Tax rates are not "tax cuts" and tax cuts do not cause deficits. Spending more than you take in, causes deficits. Obama is attempting to pass utter nonsense onto the american people.

Obama is such an asshole.

Posted by: Fresh at July 09, 2012 08:53 PM (O7ksG)

151 #144: Let's not forget Bob Dole saying, "Stop lying about Bob Dole's war record, Bill Clinton!" I don't know how much truth there is in this particular meme, but a lot of people feel that that was the moment Bob Dole lost the '96 election.

Although I must admit it seems just as likely that Clinton wasn't going to lose, anyway. We do tend to reelect our Presidents, unless they're truly awful. Clinton, on the whole, had managed to have a mediocre first term after losing his party both chambers of Congress, and then actually sort of working with Congress a little (unlike Obama). And he had Ross Perot splitting the conservative vote (again, unlike Obama).

But Bob Dole certainly doesn't seem to have helped himself much in that moment. I'd urge Romney to be careful in how he goes about it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 09:03 PM (3yCFy)

152 The one mistake these people have already made is admitting to any emotional response to the lies. Just point the lies out and respond. Obama should be the easy one to send over the edge and get to make a campaign-ending mistake. He's thin-skinned, OWS are crazies, etc....push THEM, don't lash out and lose the squishes.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at July 09, 2012 09:07 PM (X/+QT)

153 The thin skin Romney displayed from time to time in the primary debates was one of my big concerns about him. He needs to be careful not to let Obama's flailing get to him. He can't afford to react with petulance. People can accept a little of that from Democrats, but Republicans need to maintain a higher standard.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 09:10 PM (3yCFy)

154
Solyndra and all the other democrat-start ups that used tax payer dollars to line the pockets of wealthy democtas - that must be front and center.

Posted by: Fresh at July 09, 2012 09:16 PM (O7ksG)

155
What you do is use Obama's own words against him....

You put up him telling his lie... then simply counter it with the truth....

Then a line somthing like.... "Trust, easy to loose, hard to regain."

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2012 09:18 PM (lZBBB)

156 #154: There you go! Romney can just compare the real facts about what Bain does with the results of Obama's taxpayer-funded venture cronyism.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 09:19 PM (3yCFy)

157 #155: That's also a good response!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 09:20 PM (3yCFy)

158 Maybe end the ad with a shot of Obama pretending to scratch his cheek with his middle finger.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 09:23 PM (3yCFy)

159
151
I agree. Romney needs to brush off the personal stuff and focus on how Obama is lying to the American people to push his radical America in decline leftwing agenda.

Posted by: Fresh at July 09, 2012 09:33 PM (O7ksG)

160 Re Rep. West: I admire the man, and I think he derailed an admirable Army career by doing something the rules just can't allow - even if, as I believe, he did right.

Picking him for VP would be extremely satisfying to the 40 or so % of the public (incl. me) that can't wait to vote against the incumbent. It would also be a dream come true for the Obama campaign. The Dems would use him very effectively to scare wussy independents. I don't like it, but I'm sure of it.

Posted by: JPS at July 09, 2012 09:40 PM (vw/tC)

161 "Everybody lies". That's becoming a common theme lately. Almost as though if you don't lie, at least sometimes, something is wrong with you cause in this world if you don't lie you won't be able to make it. On the face of it it seems innocent enough, ok, so what if he/she lied, I'm not going to lie so I'm ok, if they lie, it's their problem. But, it has pervaded society like a disease and it is making our society terminally ill. You justify it by saying "well, everyone is doing it, if I don't do it, then I'm going to be behind and be the loser". I don't know, the family unit is breaking down, relations between races is breaking down, relations between the haves and the have nots, yep breaking down. Lower attendance at churches, the relationship with God, breaking down. And if you think about it, all the breaking down stems from lieing. lieing to yourself and lieing to your neighbors. Maybe we can't recognize an honest man/woman anymore. Maybe we can't find an honest man/woman anymore. Maybe that's why our country is starting to lose its shine?

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 10:41 PM (oZfic)

162 "I refuse to give up, and if that is what you are
suggesting, so we don't get ourselves disappointed, then please take
yourself to Eeyore's Gloomy Place, which is Rather Boggy and Sad.


Posted by: Miss Marple at July 09, 2012 07:11 PM (GoIUi)"What? Me give up? Sheesh me? think on that one.no I'm only suggesting that besides the general education of the hide your eyes so you don't have to learn what you don't want to learn set, you need to empower them that they can and will make a difference as they seem to have lost hope. That losing of hope colors everything.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 10:44 PM (oZfic)

163 So the Romney campaign's big new strategy is to lie about the Democrats lying.

Yup. That'll fly.

Posted by: Geoff Sadler at July 09, 2012 10:48 PM (jiKKY)

164 #163: Liberals lie. It's just what they do.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan."

"I don't know who authorized Fast and Furious, and this is the first time I've ever heard of it. Oh, and Bush started the program."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 10:58 PM (3yCFy)

165 163
So the Romney campaign's big new strategy is to lie about the Democrats lying.

Yup. That'll fly.


Posted by: Geoff Sadler at July 09, 2012 10:48 PM (jiKKY)
As time goes on and I read that people are thinking that romney wants to lose like mcshame, you kinda don't want to believe it. You kinda want to know what happened in the romney camp to change the dynamic from just two weeks ago when we were hearing the prez was dejected and not sure he wanted the job again and romney was on top in some surprising states.
Dems might want to skip the convention cause they might feel "something in the air" which might include a challenge to an incumbent and they don't want their fingerprints on that one.But Republicans might be eager for the convention cause they might want to change things up and vote in a completely different nominee. Yeah, I know you'll all say "can't happen, it's romney, can't put an organization together that fast" but nothing, nothing has been normal. I mean have you ever seen a prez running around campaigning on a bus tour in a Canadian built bus?

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 11:00 PM (oZfic)

166 Oh, and let's not forget this all-time classic: "I have never spied for the Soviet Union. I've never met this Whittaker Chambers before in my life. And I'll never know just how he got into my house and used my typewriter to copy those classified documents that he certainly never got from me."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 11:06 PM (3yCFy)

167 "Gee, I don't know where all that money went while I was running MF Global."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 11:15 PM (3yCFy)

168 "95% of you will not pay one nickel more in taxes under my economic plan."

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 09, 2012 11:37 PM (3yCFy)

169 “Maryland has reached the point of diminishing returns. We're taxing
people too much and people are voting with their feet," said Change
Maryland Chairman Larry Hogan." http://tinyurl.com/6rmgrr4

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 11:52 PM (oZfic)

170 "The money has now officially vaporized."
http://tinyurl.com/7ryalo7

Posted by: lybor tee at July 09, 2012 11:59 PM (oZfic)

171 hahhaha someone got under krugman's skin: http://tinyurl.com/bqpjo3l

Posted by: lybor tee at July 10, 2012 12:06 AM (oZfic)

172 Mish does a great job of explaining what is going on in Scranton, PA: http://tinyurl.com/6nwwa9h

Meanwhile, some one passed a law that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy, your heirs have to pay them off if you haven't. Thanks to the libs/dems from the 70's who thought they didn't have to repay them.

However, you wonder why the federal government has taken almost all of the student loans over.

Also, they've gone back to "created and saved" cause it worked. Romney is not dumb, he knows that people will see the low low low gas prices around november and vote accordingly. He's got to give them reasons to vote for him.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 10, 2012 12:18 AM (oZfic)

173 Man, Rick Perry writes a great, straightforward, plain english but strong letter syb el e us: http://tinyurl.com/7lf8oe8

Posted by: lybor tee at July 10, 2012 12:31 AM (oZfic)

174 Maybe, instead of calling a sitting prez a liar which is not romney's style, maybe he should sue CNN and it's on air news folks. this will solve two problems, it will force the media to think before they spew and the BO campaign will be forced to apologize or at least stop the accusations.

Posted by: lybor tee at July 10, 2012 12:58 AM (oZfic)

175 "Due to a recent emergency involving Russell R. Wasendorf, Sr., a
suicide attempt, some accounting irregularities are being investigated
regarding company accounts. PFGBEST is wholly owned by Mr. Wasendorf.
Therefore, the NFA and other officials have put all funds on hold, and
PFGBEST is in liquidation-only status with our clearing FCM. What this
means is no customers are able to trade except to liquidate positions.
Until further notice, PFGBEST is not authorized to release any funds.
We will update you as any new procedures are stipulated and with any
further information as it becomes available."
http://tinyurl.com/7seea9f

Posted by: lybor tee at July 10, 2012 01:03 AM (oZfic)

176 ____________________________________

Ace,

I continue to concur with your theory that the underlying dynamics have already all but decided this election against Obama.

Several months ago, there was a small chance the economy might go into convincing assent and make the race competitive or maybe even pull it out of range for whoever the GOP nominee would eventually be.
But it is obvious that there is no way the economy can save Obama's presidency now.

The voting public is not yet paying full attention nor is it its energy focused on the big decision day. As the voting public's attention is drawn and its energy focused, it will eventually become clear that all major headwinds are pushing against the Obama campaign.

At this point, if some incredibly unlikely scandal doesn't break open on the House of Romney, then Barry is destined to be a one-termer.






Posted by: _Dave_ at July 10, 2012 01:08 AM (/nxRb)

177
Well I could say that, "No one knows if The Bamster is a lying scumsucking asshole"--but that would not be true. Too many of us know that that is exactly what The Bamster is.
As for Baghdad Bob Gibbsie, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his crotch.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at July 10, 2012 01:12 AM (oe1aw)

178 BO does not like his job. It is not what he thought it would be. He is startled that running the country was not as easy as running to run the country, where he was a superstar. He has not liked being president for a long time, but must put his best putter forward for the sake of the party. The only reason polls have him tied/leading is that people are lying to keep from being labeled racist. They WANTED to believe/project, but now know they have been fooled by a guy WAY over his head. So they will tell the pollsters one thing, and vote another. Also, mark my words, BO will be the first president in modern history to snipe at whoever comes after him, it's just his fucking nature. While Clinton, Bush, etc, have evaded the spotlight and sought to use their prestige to enable worthwhile causes, Bo will become a political hitman for the Demo party, it's just who he is. We will pay dearly for a LONG time for elevating this no talent fuck to the highest office in the world because we have racial guilt.

Posted by: George at July 10, 2012 01:17 AM (sLzU2)

179 Dear Mitt,

Just pretend Obama is a Republican running against you in the primary race.

Over.


Posted by: currently at July 10, 2012 04:41 AM (flA6l)

180 I am pretty sure that it requires a team to shave Moochillini's back and her front. Everyday! Not to mention waxing her arms, face, and legs. Hazard pay applies.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at July 10, 2012 08:56 AM (3xIrq)

181 Now that they have figured out the bloody obvious, who knows what they are capable of ?

Posted by: burt at July 10, 2012 09:22 AM (OzqQM)

182 Re: Reagan vs. Carter... Reagan got only 51% of the vote. Who did the (main) third party candidate hijack votes from? An Illinois "moderate" Republican (RINO?) with a Wisconsin Dem running mate got 7% of the popular vote... Carter was an obvious loser, but 49% of the voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for an ex-Governor the media painted as a dim-bulb ideologue conservative.

How much have demographics changed in 32 years? How high a turnout, and how much vote fraud would in take to deliver 4 more years to teh SCOAMFOTUS?

Posted by: Hazy Dave at July 12, 2012 01:06 PM (jcyG5)






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