Washington Post: When We Said "Romney's Bain Capital" Outsourced Jobs, We Never Intended To Imply Romney Was Running It At The Time

Some background on this fighting between Romney and the Washington Post on outsourcing:

The Washington Post's own fact-checker examined Obama's charge that Romney was involved in outsourcing, and found it misleading enough to rate Four Pinnochios. There simply wasn't any evidence Romney sent jobs overseas. And the ad was deliberately misleading when it attempted to cast jobs outsourced to other companies within the US, using American employees as jobs outsourced to other countries.

But then a front-page article ran in the Post, giving Obama the headline he wanted, even though it was contrived just for that purpose.

See, before we were discussing whether Romney outsourced jobs overseas from the firms he took over. Well, he didn't, I guess. So the Washington Post tries a new tact -- did he invest in companies that assisted other companies with their outsourcing needs?

And thus the headline runs:

Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas

That's written to make it sound like it is affirming Obama's charge -- but in fact the companies that Bain invested in were not outsourcing their own employees. They were helping other companies outsource parts of their business.

Mitt Romney’s financial company, Bain Capital, invested in a series of firms that specialized in relocating jobs done by American workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like China and India.
During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Note that the article's attempt to mislead people into thinking Bain was taking American jobs and shipping them overseas worked. The article is deliberately written, and especially headlined, so that a casual reader draws just that conclusion.

Even a news organization, like CNN, which really should be more than a casual reader gets it wrong, just as the Washington Post had intended:

report first published more than a week ago detailing Bain Capital's record of sending jobs overseas continued to roil on the campaign trail Monday, as President Barack Obama's team contested a fact-check that called into question their attacks on rival Mitt Romney, who headed Bain for more than a decade.
The original article, published in the Washington Post on June 22, said that Bain Capital, a firm Romney co-founded in 1984 and left in 1999, had invested in multiple companies that "specialized in relocating jobs done by American workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like China and India."

Again, we're actually not talking about Romney taking over a company and sending jobs overseas. We're talking about a couple of companies that already existed, which Bain invested in, which provided a business-to-business service for other companies, to outsource some of their business. And "outsource" can mean "outsource to another company in America," by the way, though they're hoping you think "outsource" means "Mexico and India."

Now Romney lobbied to get the Washington Post to retract this Obama-coordinated article. For one thing, he notes that "outsource" is different than "off-shore." For another thing, he says he wasn't even running Bain when they invested in these companies.

The Washington Post conspired with the Obama campaign to provide a headline which was misleading enough that Obama could use it in his campaign ads making a different claim (that Romney raided companies, then sent off American jobs to foreign countries). It refused to retract.

Now the Washington Post's fact-checker, who caused all these problems by telling the truth, has to cover for his own employer's partisanship, and also pretend there is no dispute between himself and the newspaper on this point.

And here he gets dishonest, because he claims:

The actual [Washington Post article in question] article, in fact, does not say that transfers of U.S. jobs took place while Romney ran the private equity firm of Bain Capital. …
The Obama campaign moved quickly to define what the article said, claiming that this transfer of jobs took place while Romney ran Bain. That’s not what the original article said.

The article does not say transfers of U.S. jobs took place while Romney ran the private equity firm of Bain Capital? Maybe not, but it sure implied the shit out of it in the headline:

Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas

Why is "Romney's" in that headline if they didn't mean to suggest that Romney ran the firm at that time?

He's also wrong to say the Obama campaign quickly moved to re-define that headline to suit its own purposes.

No. I believe this was done deliberately, to provide Obama with exactly that cover. So the Washington Post can say "Gee, they took our headline and used it to mean something else."

That headline was written for the precise purpose of being used to mean something else.

I think Nolte's quite right-- the Washington Post is coordinating with team Obama, negotiating what their headlines could/should say, to help him.

Posted by: Ace at 02:23 PM

Comments

1 FACTS! HOW do they WORK?!?

Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 02:24 PM (UK9cE)

2
Obama invests in Brazil.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 02:24 PM (9Q7Nu)

3 Can we just forget about all this semantic stuff and get back to the important issue of Anne Romney's dancing horse?

Posted by: The Washington Post at July 02, 2012 02:25 PM (QKKT0)

4
Correction: Obama invests other people's money in foreign ventures.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 02:25 PM (9Q7Nu)

5 Barky's 'Jobs Czar' has outsourced thousands of jobs.....while he is being Barky'sJobs Czar.

Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 02:25 PM (MbB0O)

6 What a tangled web; and they wonder why the size of the fishwrap has shrunk to the size of a local mall promotional flyer.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at July 02, 2012 02:25 PM (fpcnK)

7 Obama's Democrat Party supported slavery.

Posted by: Cicero at July 02, 2012 02:25 PM (QKKT0)

8 It's going to be bad.

Speaking of "October Surprises"--will have at least -

four in October-

two in November.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:26 PM (r2PLg)

9 Would it be worthwhile to FOI communication between WaPo and the WH?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2012 02:26 PM (famk3)

10 Pelosi's Catholic Church sponsored the Inquisition.

Posted by: Cicero at July 02, 2012 02:26 PM (QKKT0)

11 Why do Obama's ads about Romney always start with his "I approve this message" rather than ending with it? Its always the "Romney Economics" ones because that's all he runs ever since his "All this bad shit happened before I was on the golf course" ads gained no traction.

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 02:26 PM (GULKT)

12 FACTS! HOW do they WORK?!?

Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 02:24 PM

We don't know.

Posted by: your betters in the Media at July 02, 2012 02:27 PM (bAGA/)

13 WaPo, otherwise known as NYT Southern Edition. You can hardly expect a Democrat PR rag to tell the truth.

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:28 PM (YdQQY)

14 While some may say that the Romney campaign may just be pandering to people who are dealing with an emergency, there are plenty of stories of how Romney has handled emergencies in the past. One such story being the story of a co-worker’s daughter who was kidnapped while out partying in New York. He shut down Bain, flew the employees up to New York City, set up a nerve center, and canvassed the city with flyers until the girl was found and returned home to her anxious parents.

This is who Romney is.

Obama wants you to buy a $30 T-shirt.

I don’t know about you, but this says a great deal about the character of these two men to me. You can decide for yourselves.

Posted by: Billy Carter at July 02, 2012 02:28 PM (e8kgV)

15
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Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 02:28 PM (9Q7Nu)

16 The Republican motto should be something like--

Nevermind the Headlines--What is Your Wallet Telling You?

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:28 PM (r2PLg)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:28 PM (8y9MW)

18 Public sector unions are invested in private equity to the tune of $200 billion dollars. Why does the Washington Post hate government workers?

Posted by: kallisto at July 02, 2012 02:29 PM (jm/9g)

19 And MSNBC can't figure out the difference between the Federal and State Government either. Unless it suits their point of view.

Posted by: Shocked in Seattle at July 02, 2012 02:29 PM (mka2b)

20
Breaking News!!!

Economy Grows at 4.2%
Employment at 4.95%
Budget Deficit is at a surplus!!!
The Dow is up 12% for the year.

Wait .... wut????

We never meant to imply Obama was President at the time......

Posted by: THE MFM at July 02, 2012 02:29 PM (C8hzL)

21 The WaPo is coordinating with Democrats, Anderson Cooper is gay, and the Supreme Court favored the Federal Government at the expense of the States and the People -- the World is upside down, I am awe struck at the unexpected. Next you'll tell me that the unemployment numbers are expected to be great

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2012 02:29 PM (WkuV6)

22 Nevermind the Headlines--What is Your Wallet Telling You?Posted by: tasker

Careful their, amigo.

Posted by: Capitol One at July 02, 2012 02:30 PM (famk3)

23 This is SOP for the MFM. They know that most readers are just going to read the headline, and maybe the first 2 - 3 paragraphs (which, in newspaper speak, means 4 - 6 sentences), so they "say" whatever they want in that space, and then use the rest of the article to give the actual facts.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:30 PM (8y9MW)

24 Did everybody hear that I love to suck cocks and take them deeeep in my ass?????????

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (HTtsu)

25 does this clarify that Obama ate a dog?

Posted by: the Butcher at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (8g9qq)

26
See what the email is saying?

two things:

1. The fires in CO have given us yet another opportunity to call into question the humanity of Republicans.

2. Warn the Republicans it would be "politically disastrous" not to allow us to strong-arm them, especially in the swing state of CO.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (9Q7Nu)

27 well, it's not as if there is any good economic news for them to trumpet about how well Recover Summer 2012 is going....

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (8MasJ)

28 According to Chuck Todd this morning, the Bain attacks are effective. Not that I trust MSNBC analysis, but if the DNC narrative is that Bain attack work, then we'll be seeing more of this in the Obama-friendly outlets - NYT, WashPost, MSNBC, etc. Facts optional, of course.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (zsRKf)

29 Is this thread for getting the last thread's taste out of our mouths?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2012 02:32 PM (JHBL9)

30 After all this time, it shouldn't bother me.

But for God's sake, coordinating your newspaper's content with a political campaign. That is just depressing.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 02, 2012 02:32 PM (FJP6/)

31 "Katherine Meyer Graham, her arms wide!"

Posted by: Jaython at July 02, 2012 02:33 PM (136wp)

32 So many lies you can't keep up.

What's next? Tom Cruise is gay?

Posted by: mpfs at July 02, 2012 02:33 PM (iYbLN)

33 Will somebody please just tell all these gay guys to stop sucking my dick?

Posted by: Tom Cruise at July 02, 2012 02:33 PM (IoNBC)

34 22 Nevermind the Headlines--What is Your Wallet Telling You?Posted by: tasker

Careful their, amigo.
Posted by: Capitol One at July 02, 2012 02:30 PM (famk3)

*******

Oh yea...oops!

What's in your wallet?

Not as much--damn it.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:33 PM (r2PLg)

35 According to Chuck Todd this morni

Chuck Todd can not provide accurate analysis for the most basic of human functions. To wit - if I extended my middle finger out to him, Chuck Todd would reason that I was saying he was the number 1 analyst in the world.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 02, 2012 02:33 PM (OWjjx)

36 But for God's sake, coordinating your newspaper's content with a political campaign. That is just depressing.

Well it is old news, but that doesn't make any less "news."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:34 PM (8y9MW)

37 Sweet sassafras, first we find out Anderson Cooper is gay ( I was going to write that as "first we find out Anderson Cooper takes it in the pooper", but I thought it wouldn't be classy)..

...and now we learn that WaPo is not a straight-down-the-line objective media outlet?

My world has been turned upside down!!

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (Yhu4q)

38 From the Daily Dave S: "Obama's Choom gang invested in smuggled offshore products."

Posted by: Dave S. at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (pyh5u)

39 @24

Did everybody hear that I love to suck cocks and take them deeeep in my ass?????????

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (HTtsu)

Oh, I knew.

Now, tell me all about it.

Don't leave out any details!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Super-Genius at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (54vf8)

40 They did this with the Obama gay marriage support announcement (WashPost published their Romney harasses gay teen story a day or two before Obama "evolved". Then there was Times's NYT's stories on children of illegal immigrants published just days before Obama "evolved" on enforcing illegal immigration/back-door DREAM act announcement. Amazing, really.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (zsRKf)

41 But for God's sake, coordinating your newspaper's content with a political campaign. That is just depressing.

Romney should sue for equal time... as long as they are advertising for Obama

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (136wp)

42 Here's a novel idea that would never work - reject the whole fucking premise.

So what he sent jobs overseas? How about pushing for, or more accurately - doing away with policies that incent employers to send jobs overseas.

One can dream.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (rX1N2)

43 Anderson Cooper is Deep Throat.

Posted by: WaPo at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

44 And by the way these lies are working in swig states.

In most polls, Obama leads in places like Ohio, Florida, et al.

Why? Because the negative stereotype being promoted by Obama of Romney vis a vis Bain

Are the people in those states largely that ignorant and immune to what's been going on the past four years that they will accept a fallacious stereotype, ignore their own well-being and pull the lever for Obama again?

You must be kidding me.

Posted by: Exile at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (O0lVq)

45

Taxes have consequences.

Taxes affect behavior.
This is the basic premise of ZeroCare....to affect behavior.

So if the Left wants to demonize 'outsourcing'....then they are also demonizing the causes of outsourcing....which the Dems have largely been responsible for.
ZeroCare will cause even more jobs to be outsourced to other countries.

Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (MbB0O)

46 >>According to Chuck Todd this morning, the Bain attacks are effective

Chunk also too says that we are in an economic recovery

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (Yhu4q)

47 Capitalism: How does it fucking work?

meh.

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (02fNe)

48 Obama and Graham... at El-White House

Posted by: Jaython at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (136wp)

49 If they care so much about American jobs then why do dems support amnesty?

Young illegal immigrants’ amnesty could tighten competition for jobs, college
http://tinyurl.com/7hamdtc

Posted by: ryukyu at July 02, 2012 02:37 PM (MOHSR)

50 40 They did this with the Obama gay marriage support announcement (WashPost published their Romney harasses gay teen story a day or two before Obama "evolved". Then there was Times's NYT's stories on children of illegal immigrants published just days before Obama "evolved" on enforcing illegal immigration/back-door DREAM act announcement. Amazing, really.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (zsRKf)

*************

It's a well oiled machine.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:37 PM (r2PLg)

51 The fires in CO have given us yet another opportunity to call into question the humanity of Republicans.

The response to that should be of course they are covered if they are injured by fighting the fires. The government IS responsible for that just like any employer.

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:37 PM (YdQQY)

52 We run the headline on page one, then three days later run the retraction on page 24.

We're cute motherfuckers, see.

Posted by: Wapo at July 02, 2012 02:37 PM (IoNBC)

53 Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 02, 2012 02:31 PM (HTtsu)

I'm not so sure that was called for, but Ok.

Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 02:38 PM (UK9cE)

54 Wasn't there something earlier about how Romney was still running the firm even when he wasn't there??

Oh yeh:

'“Romney took an informal leave of absence but remained in full legal control of Bain… at a minimum, we ask that a copy of this letter be posted prominently along with your Outsource overreach report, enabling the readers you serve to drawn their own conclusions,” she wrote.'

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 02, 2012 02:38 PM (SUKHu)

55 43 Anderson Cooper is Deep Throat.
Posted by: WaPo at July 02, 2012 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

Anderson Cooper in "Douchnozzle Does DC"

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 02, 2012 02:38 PM (136wp)

56
Bain Captial should be synonymous with the Romney name, just as "unprecedented" is synonymous with Baracks! The narrative doesn't write itself.

Posted by: Team Preezy at July 02, 2012 02:38 PM (IfM3l)

57 In most polls, Obama leads in places like Ohio, Florida, et al.

************

Actually Romney is edging out Obama-in Ohio and Florida..but not PA--last time I looked.

(Hell I did go on va ca.)

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (r2PLg)

58 I have been involved in outsourcing some componenets in China. If we didn't do it we would be out of business. We have actually increased our headcount since doing so. We employ more people now. Businesses have to be competetive.

Posted by: The Jackhole at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (nTgAI)

59 Andi Coop outsourced his heterosexuality to Wolf Blitzer.

It was a bad investment.

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (02fNe)

60 My world has been turned upside down!!
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 02:35 PM (Yhu4q)

And the NAVY is paying $26 a gallon...

Posted by: cajun carrot, down for some SMOD at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (UZQM8)

61 even Michigan Romney has a slight lead..(however probably within the MOE)

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (r2PLg)

62 Was the WaPo originally owned by railroad baron Cornelius Vanderbilt?

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (YdQQY)

63 >>And by the way these lies are working in swig states.

Swig hell. It's gotten so bad around here, we call ourselves a guzzle state

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 02:40 PM (Yhu4q)

64 Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas

Well, shit, if that's the standard than so have I! I mean, I'm sure that somewhere in the various investments I have is something thatsent some job somewhere else.

Oh, btw, I was watching tennis at lunch today and the Obama OH NOES ROMNEY SENDS JOBSOVERSEASad was on and I'm pretty sure that I saw, frombehind the red veil of rage that filled my sight, areference to the WaPo story.
Dork them. Dork them in thesqueakhole.

Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 02:42 PM (VtjlW)

65 Okay just went to check Ohio...

I toss out PPP (D) just because and Quinnipiac.

I actually was polled once by Quinnipiac and the snotty attitude of the little college pollster to my "Republican responses" leads me to think their polling gets affected by their-

snotty college age pollsters.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:42 PM (r2PLg)

66 62 Was the WaPo originally owned by railroad baron Cornelius Vanderbilt?
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:39 PM (YdQQY)

"The paper was founded in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins and in 1880 added a Sunday edition, thus becoming the city's first newspaper to publish seven days a week. In 1889, Hutchins sold the paper to Frank Hatton, a former Postmaster General, and Beriah Wilkins, a former Democratic congressman from Ohio"

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 02, 2012 02:42 PM (136wp)

67 OMG -- A company Romney worked for invested in another company that worked with another company that outsourced its payroll services to a company that hired people who live outside the U.S.?

The HORROR!!! I shutter to think that I was only a few months away from voting for that monster Romney.

Posted by: LASue at July 02, 2012 02:43 PM (wAhNv)

68 I’m a firm believer that most of the US populace want to be left alone.
Most especially they don’t want to hear about politics at least until
the conventions and even then they can go to ESPN to block it out.

We have reached the age of media saturation where no amount of money
will let you into people’s lives.

Obama has invested heavily into data
mining so he can get close and personal with the American people who
just want him to leave them alone. I expect hilarity to ensue.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 02, 2012 02:43 PM (e8kgV)

69 Meanwhile, Obama spent taxpayer money to ship "green" jobs overseas.

But I'm sure that the WaPo will somehow find a way to blame Romney.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 02:43 PM (SY2Kh)

70 By WaPo logic, as a Democrat, Obama is responsible for the Klan, the battle against civil rights, Japanese internment during WWII, etc.

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (Yhu4q)

71 People Who Look Like Mitt Romney Owned Slaves, Who Looked Like Obama

Posted by: WaPo - fair and balanced at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (zsgo8)

72 That comment was supposed to be snark on Anderson Cooper journalism.

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (YdQQY)

73 By the way. I am a little confused how fundraising doesn't track to polls.

Certainly they are not completely analogous.

But how does the GOP raising record amounts not translate into a poll bump?

Better chances for GOP candidates including Romney?

Instead we keep hearing all the blather about how Obama and Dem's are winning swing states and O-tax is more popular than ever?

Something stinks.

Posted by: Exile at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (O0lVq)

74 I think Nolte's quite right-- the Washington Post is coordinating with team Obama, negotiating what their headlines could/should say, to help him.

Next you'll tell me Anderson Cooper is gay.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (KXm42)

75 even Michigan Romney has a slight lead..(however probably within the MOE)

My way-out wacky prediction: Romney takes Michigan, and not in a squeaker.

The people of Michigan are figuring out this whole "lower taxes and regulatory burden" and they're (slowly, ever so slowly) seeing jobs and prosperity coming back. They also know this is directly related to giving Republicans control of their legislature and Governor's mansion in 2010.

Well, not Detroit, but most Michiganders I know refuse to claim Detroit, except for the Red Wings.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (8y9MW)

76 You mean that the WaPo lies about everything, contantly, in the name of the Democratic Socialist Party? Well, knock me flat with a feather...

Posted by: Stu-22 at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (k4bdL)

77 "The paper was founded in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins and in 1880 added a
Sunday edition, thus becoming the city's first newspaper to publish
seven days a week. In 1889, Hutchins sold the paper to Frank Hatton, a
former Postmaster General, and Beriah Wilkins, a former Democratic
congressman from Ohio"

Soledad O'Brien, is that you?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (SY2Kh)

78 Jeez-

Same with Florid the latest polls effecting the Real Clear Politics average again are-

PPP (D) and Quinnipiac and they poll Registered voters not "likely voters" .

The last poll Purple Strategies that used "likely voters" show Romney in the lead.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (r2PLg)

79 Re: Chuck Todd. He's a tool, and he and others on MSNBC like Mika, reliably parrot the Obama/DNC talking points. My point was that his comment indicates that the Obama team will continue pushing this line of attack on Romney.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2012 02:46 PM (zsRKf)

80 Posted by: Exile at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (O0lVq)

Welcome to the party, pal!

Posted by: McClane at July 02, 2012 02:46 PM (UZQM8)

81 By the way. I am a little confused how fundraising doesn't track to polls.

Certainly they are not completely analogous.

But how does the GOP raising record amounts not translate into a poll bump?

Because political contributors tend to come from people who were already on board. Most swing voters don't suddenly decide to support a candidate and donate to them on the same day.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2012 02:47 PM (SY2Kh)

82 My way-out wacky prediction: Romney takes Michigan, and not in a squeaker.

The people of Michigan are figuring out this whole "lower taxes and regulatory burden" and they're (slowly, ever so slowly) seeing jobs and prosperity coming back. They also know this is directly related to giving Republicans control of their legislature and Governor's mansion in 2010.

Well, not Detroit, but most Michiganders I know refuse to claim Detroit, except for the Red Wings.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (8y9MW)

******

That would be something else--

at this point we know that the Dems are going to have to defend that state.

Spend the money and time campaigning there.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:47 PM (r2PLg)

83 Bain is only the beginning. There's no telling what these douches have in store for the rest of the time leading up to Nov. They've been planning this for four or more years. October surprise? It'll be an October disaster.

And let's not forget the actual threats that'll be coming from blacks and unions. It's coming. Oh, yes, it's coming.

Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (Mtcin)

84 The Washington Post's fetish for Obama's cock... I didn't mean that the Washington Post has a fetish for Obama's cock. I am sorry you misinterpreted that.

Posted by: Drew in MO at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (Ngi7s)

85 37
Sweet sassafras, first we find out Anderson Cooper is gay ( I was going
to write that as "first we find out Anderson Cooper takes it in the
pooper", but I thought it wouldn't be classy).....and now we learn that WaPo is not a straight-down-the-line objective media outlet?

Next we'll find out that Obama ate a dog.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (d9ErJ)

86 From Kevin Williamson at NRO: http://tiny.cc/m60tgw

Because the Obama campaign knows that one of its most important constituencies is economically illiterate yokels — a demographic to which the president himself apparently belongs — it is on the airwaves claiming “Romney’s never stood up to China — all he’s ever done is send them our jobs.’’ (Whose?) The Obama campaign cites a Washington Post story on the subject, and the Romney campaign has noted that the folks over at WaPo did not distinguish between outsourcing and offshoring (and, indeed, the story is not a very smart one — do read it and see). Obama responded thus: “Yesterday, (Romney's) advisers tried to clear this up by telling us that there was a difference between ‘outsourcing’ and ‘offshoring.’ Seriously. You can’t make that up.”And indeed you wouldn’t have to make it up, because it is a real thing: different words with different meanings. (Seriously, can we get this guy a library card?)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (4df7R)

87 Instead we keep hearing all the blather about how Obama and Dem's are winning swing states and O-tax is more popular than ever?

Something stinks.

Posted by: Exile at July 02, 2012 02:44 PM (O0lVq)

The polls are always weighted heavily dem, so it's not surprising.

I never understood why they couldn't just do a 50/50 split between R and D, then throw the indies in there for balance.

Posted by: © Sponge at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (UK9cE)

88 Next you'll tell me Anderson Cooper is gay.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 02:45 PM (KXm42)

He really scooped everyone by breaking that news.
Where does he find his sources? Amazing.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 02, 2012 02:48 PM (AWmfW)

89 Roberts' Court Thoughtful, Not Like in the Bad Old Days

Posted by: The Old Gray Bitch at July 02, 2012 02:49 PM (V4mSR)

90 Most especially they don’t want to hear about politics at least until the conventions and even then they can go to ESPN to block it out.

That is no longer true. Watching ESPN makes me want to throw my other boot at the television. Stop it with the fucking touchy feely bullshit and give me the fucking scores you pathetic little whiny jackholes.

You know, I wonder if that isn't part of the rise in popularity of MMA style stuff. There's no crap, there's just guys beating the shit out of each other. It's refreshing.

Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 02:49 PM (VtjlW)

91 >>>I was going
to write that as "first we find out Anderson Cooper takes it in the
pooper", but I thought it wouldn't be classy

I doubt there's a classy way to take it like that.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2012 02:50 PM (V4mSR)

92 Long ago at boarding school, Mitt Romney gave me a wedgie, and then cut off my flowing golden locks...because I was...different. And then he put me in a cage on top of his car and drove me to Canada...because I was...different. Honest! I remember it just like it was yesterday!

Posted by: Anderson Pooper at July 02, 2012 02:50 PM (k4bdL)

93 Well, not Detroit, but most Michiganders I know refuse to claim Detroit

I would be happy to claim Detroit in the name of alextopia.

Posted by: alexthechick - help us SMOD you're our only hope at July 02, 2012 02:51 PM (VtjlW)

94
69Meanwhile, Obama spent taxpayer money to ship "green" jobs overseas.

Why yes....yes he did.

And let's not forget about his Jobs Czar, Immelt....who has been shipping jobs overseas for years....and even more recently, while he is acting as Jobs Czar!

Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 02:51 PM (MbB0O)

95 That would be something else--

Things going into this prediction (in no particular order)
* I want it to be true (let's just get that out of the way early)
* The governor just signed a pretty big tax cut
* Anecdotal evidence (through the wife: her family is there) that the economy is improving.
* The fact the Democrats had to drop their recall effort
* The sad desperation of the Democrats' billboards trying to get everyone mad that those mean Republicans ran on "Tax cuts for the rich."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:51 PM (8y9MW)

96 Well, not Detroit, but most Michiganders I know refuse to claim Detroit, except for the Red Wings.

Heh, heh. Most Michiganders in the suburbs of Detroit won't go near the actual city of Detroit. If they do have to go into the city for anything it is hilarious watching them prepare. They act like they're going into a war zone. And that includes the white liberals and a good share of the black people who've escaped to the burbs.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 02:52 PM (d9ErJ)

97 My stepfather often brought home smoked Anderson Cooper from the bazaar. It was a bit stringy for my tastes, and tossing waves of nausea engulfed me.

I later learned to appreciate eating buttranger at Man's Country in Chicago.

Posted by: Autobigraphy of Choomster at July 02, 2012 02:53 PM (V4mSR)

98 I doubt there's a classy way to take it like that.

Highbrow squeakholing.

Posted by: I like ducks at July 02, 2012 02:53 PM (KXm42)

99 Sweet sassafras

Speaking of: I want some sarsaparilla. Target has a pretty decent one, but anyone know of any other options that might be available?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:54 PM (8y9MW)

100 96 Well, not Detroit, but most Michiganders I know refuse to claim Detroit, except for the Red Wings.

Heh, heh. Most Michiganders in the suburbs of Detroit won't go near the actual city of Detroit. If they do have to go into the city for anything it is hilarious watching them prepare. They act like they're going into a war zone. And that includes the white liberals and a good share of the black people who've escaped to the burbs.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 02:52 PM (d9ErJ)

There's nothing wrong with Detroit that a little napalm and Agent Orange won't fix...

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at July 02, 2012 02:54 PM (136wp)

101 Yeah dumbas, everybody likes ducks. You go now.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 02:54 PM (KXm42)

102 I doubt there's a classy way to take it like that.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2012 02:50 PM (V4mSR)

Sure is, you may purchase the Vanderbilt limited addition gold and diamond encrusted Dildo. At 8L by 3W it is sure to fill all of those empty spaces, except the ones in your heart and brain.

Available at Needless Markup for $54,995.00.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 02, 2012 02:55 PM (9TTOe)

103 Most Michiganders in the suburbs of Detroit won't go near the actual city of Detroit.

I understand the only place they avoid more is Flint.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 02, 2012 02:55 PM (8y9MW)

104 When someone mentioned a "beard", I knew what they meant. And that's when I met Michelle Robinson.

Posted by: Autobiography of Choomster at July 02, 2012 02:55 PM (V4mSR)

105 >>>Sure is, you may purchase the Vanderbilt limited addition gold and diamond encrusted Dildo. At 8L by 3W it is sure to fill all of those empty spaces

Things are so tight in this economy that it would be squeezed into ALL diamond! Brilliant!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2012 02:57 PM (V4mSR)

106 >>>I never understood why they couldn't just do a 50/50 split between R and D, then throw the indies in there for balance.

Well your sample is not likely to hit a cross section all on its own. So they have different templated groups.

All Adults
All Registered Voters
And Likely Voters.

The third and final being the closest to what you get on election day. The former what they like to use in the runup to show inflated dem support. And some pollsters go even beyond that and oversample to make dems even more prominent. When you are doing that, you are just torturing the numbers until they confess what you want them to.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 02, 2012 02:57 PM (0q2P7)

107 This sort of attack is working. My ex-husband told me he'd never vote for Romney because all Romney cares about is "big business" So, even though my ex was griping about his cadillac healthcare being decimated and the economy being so bad that his oldest stepson can't find a job, he still refuses to vote for Romney over Obama because of "big business"

(Never mind the fact that "big business" has given him a huge paycheck for 22 years and pays for all that expensive electronic shit and the boats and the jet skis etc., somehow "big business" is evil.)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 02, 2012 02:58 PM (RZ8pf)

108 The WaPo runs a child-prostitution and slavery operation out of their headquarters, specializing in undocumented immigrants from the developing world. Anonymous sources say it's so.

Wait...they don't? Not at all? That's completely untrue? Well, golly. I'm sorry that was misinterpreted. I'll be sure to retract the statement a week from now in an obscure and surreptitious way, just so nobody gets the wrong idea about them.

Posted by: Stu-22 at July 02, 2012 02:58 PM (k4bdL)

109 >>>Most Michiganders in the suburbs of Detroit won't go near the actual city of Detroit.

Escape from New York, great work of futuristic fiction, wrong city.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at July 02, 2012 02:59 PM (0q2P7)

110 How dare Romney send jobs overseas! Not at all like Obama using government money for jobs...uh overseas.... http://tinyurl.com/chy9mva

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 02:59 PM (GULKT)

111 * The fact the Democrats had to drop their recall effort

*******

Shoot-that's kind of huge.

Didn't know that--thanks.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 02:59 PM (r2PLg)

112 What if Republicans tried telling the truth for a change?

We are capitalists. We believe capitalism, more than any other system, provides the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

We do not apologize for that.

Companies that aren't allowed to out-source are companies that aren't allowed to operate as efficiently as they can.

The stockholders of those companies will suffer as a result. Those stockholders include the majority of Americans who own stock through their 401K's and other retirement plans.

We are capitalists. We support out-sourcing when that is the most efficient way for businesses to operate.

The end.

Posted by: Wapo at July 02, 2012 03:02 PM (IoNBC)

113 My beatoff sock--it stinks.

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (IoNBC)

114 Perhaps Romney could come back with, say, something like this: Obama/dems business sense gave us the Volt.

Posted by: Soona at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (Mtcin)

115 No

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (KXm42)

116 To 112

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (KXm42)

117 Allen G* The fact the Democrats had to drop their recall effort

It was mainly the teachers' unions that were behind that, and many taxpayers have found out that if the school districts get the concessions from the unions, they can balance budgets without laying off teachers, and thus keep class sizes within reason.

The amount of signatures they got to recall the governor was ridiculously low. I thought it was something like 1000.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (d9ErJ)

118 107 --- Obama got FAR more money from Big Business than McCain did. He is still hauling in as much from BB as Romney is.
Point out the collusion between Obama and Big Pharm, Big Insurance, GE, Goldman-Sachs, etc., etc.
Crony socialism.
It is only small and mid-size business that leans Republican.

Eh, but I suppose the guy is hopeless.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (C8mVl)

119 It doesn't matter that he isn't factually responsible! He is morally responsible because he is an andro/anglo/hetero-normative oppressor! SOCIAL JUSTICE dictates that we hate him for two minutes every day!

Posted by: Social Studies Graduate Student at July 02, 2012 03:04 PM (XvHmy)

120 The amount of signatures they got to recall the governor was ridiculously low. I thought it was something like 1000.

bwahaha

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 03:04 PM (KXm42)

121
110How dare Romney send jobs overseas! Not at all like Obama using government money for jobs...uh overseas.... http://tinyurl.com/chy9mva

--------------

That video spells it out, doesn't it.
It deserves to be in the sidebar, or something....it's that good.

Posted by: wheatie at July 02, 2012 03:07 PM (MbB0O)

122 I've actually seen it run on tv in Ohio. But that was back in like May. They need it in heavy rotation right now.

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2012 03:09 PM (GULKT)

123 Next we'll find out something crazy like Obama's campaign outsources its travel planning to India.

I know..I know..that's just too wacky

Posted by: Albie Damned at July 02, 2012 03:10 PM (Yhu4q)

124 Are they weighted Dem because that's who's home when the pollster calls?

Seems to me more likely a Republican is out working and unavailable for a poll.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at July 02, 2012 03:11 PM (CP+yl)

125 The amount of signatures they got to recall the governor was ridiculously low. I thought it was something like 1000.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 02, 2012 03:03 PM (d9ErJ)

*******

Heh. Jeez--maybe Michigan is that pick off state that CAC is looking for...

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 03:14 PM (r2PLg)

126 If there arose a Capitalist Party--a party that unabashedly espoused capitalism--I would support it without reservation.

I wish the GOP would be that party, but it won't.

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 03:16 PM (IoNBC)

127 I'm sure that the white house writes the editorials! I am so sick of this admin and all the groupies.

Posted by: n0b0z0 at July 02, 2012 03:16 PM (rsOPT)

128 Pet peeve alert: "So the Washington Post tries a new tact..."

What Ace meant to say was the Washington Post tries a new tack, the noun (from sailing) that means essentially "veers off in a new direction in an attempt to make headway."

Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 02, 2012 03:16 PM (qHCyt)

129 WaPo == "Pravda on the Potomac"

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 02, 2012 03:17 PM (UyYYt)

130 By the way, if we are going to go back into the past of our Presidential candidates and judge the effectiveness of their prior activities -- i.e., Romney's tenure at Bain Capital and whether he helped produce jobs -- why can't we judge Obama's tenure as a "community organizer" in the black community on the South Side of Chicago? Does it matter that, after decades of "organizing" by people like Obama, the South Side of Chicago remains one of the most dysfunctional communities in America?

I mean, if we're going to poke holes in the patent success of Romney's career before politics, isn't it fair to drive a truck through the gaping hole of the abject failure of Obama's career before politics?

Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 02, 2012 03:19 PM (qHCyt)

131 Michigan Rising, an independent group that had set a goal of gathering 1 million signatures on petitions to force a recall vote on Mr. Snyder, said Thursday it will stop its recall campaign immediately. The organization’s leaders said in a web post that as of June 4 it had collected only 2,079 names on 655 petitions, well short of a target of 200,000 signatures by June 1.

“It has become abundantly clear that Michigan Rising was not going accomplish its goal of recalling Governor Snyder,” Michigan Rising’s communications director Bruce Fealk said in a statement.

the blog at wsj.com

Interesting how that didn't get much "copy"...

You all know the drill-- had that been Republicans trying to recall a Democrat that would have been in the news cycle 24/7.

Posted by: tasker at July 02, 2012 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

132 115 No
116 To 112

Why not?

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 03:21 PM (IoNBC)

133 Capitalism??? hahahahahaha, the US has not been a capitalist country since the Gilded Age was supplanted by the Progressive Era.

We became a socialist country and now we are working on becoming communist as the government takes more and more private property and nationalizes more industries. .

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 03:21 PM (YdQQY)

134 Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 03:21 PM (YdQQY)

So you think holding a Constitutional Convention is more likely to work than the formation of a Capitalist Party?

I don't.

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 03:24 PM (IoNBC)

135 #128 Pointing that out's not very tactful, Regular Guy.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 02, 2012 03:27 PM (nrW1y)

136 I don't like my choices in the next election. I want to vote for the Capitalist Party.

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 03:33 PM (IoNBC)

137 "Obama's Executive Branch Broke Into Watergate"

Posted by: Michael K. at July 02, 2012 03:38 PM (H6VxR)

138 Forming a 3rd Party will only assure more commies get elected.

Forming a Constitutional Convention with only 1 vote per State will fix things.

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2012 03:40 PM (YdQQY)

139 The Romney campaign should file a complaint with the Federal Election Commission and demand that the Washington Post be treated as an in-kind donor to the Obama campaign and required to report.

This is getting ridiculous. Glenn Kessler should resign, it is terrible that he clearly had a gun to his head on this.

Posted by: rockmom at July 02, 2012 03:50 PM (qE3AR)

140 135 Pointing that out's not very tactful, Regular Guy.

Tactless, perhaps, but I have decided to take the tack that it's a bad rhetorical tactic to misuse the word "tact."

Posted by: The Regular Guy at July 02, 2012 03:51 PM (qHCyt)

141 So, our Independence Day celebrations are being offshored this year, no?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at July 02, 2012 03:52 PM (BvTwT)

142 ...why can't we judge Obama's tenure as a "community organizer" in the black community on the South Side of Chicago?...

Because that would be racist.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at July 02, 2012 03:54 PM (7IYab)

143 Leftists always lie. The MSM always lies.

COINCIDENCE! I think NOT!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 02, 2012 04:38 PM (bxiXv)

144 Scobface,

Sending jobs overseas sucks and advertising that you don't give a shit about it is incredibly stupid.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 04:46 PM (KXm42)

145 144 Scobface,

Sending jobs overseas sucks and advertising that you don't give a shit about it is incredibly stupid.
Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2012 04:46 PM (KXm42)

I don't give a shit because the alternatives are much worse.

You're a fucking retard.

Posted by: Scobface at July 02, 2012 05:37 PM (IoNBC)

146 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 02, 2012 06:27 PM (Xb3hu)

147 It's a new "tack", like a boat, not a new "tact". If you want to be a writer, learn your metaphors.

Posted by: babygiraffes at July 02, 2012 06:27 PM (h0KX8)

148 I know of about 537 jobs we can get rid of in Washington D.C. - that would save the taxpayers about $60 TRILLION over the next 30 years or so....

Posted by: izoneguy at July 02, 2012 07:09 PM (hbRed)

149 I'm late but I must put in an appearance.

Posted by: the scorpion at July 02, 2012 08:12 PM (QupBk)

150 WaPo and Obama still don't understand the difference between outsourcing and offshoring.

Given WaPo's devoted readers in the Beltway, no wonder this economy is so completely boned. Our glorious leaders and their house organ are economically illiterate.

Posted by: TooCon at July 03, 2012 12:40 PM (YcTIW)

151 Why capitalism will never regulate itself for the Greater Good: There are no adequate consequences for CEOs who wreck companies and bankrupt their workers. When you’re sittin’ on a 7 figure salary with bodacious perks for quarterly profits to the stock holders (never mind that you reduce your labor force below optimum productivity (but increase goals), cut corners on quality control, reduce benefits and COL increases (because, “Hey, it’s a tough economy and you workers should be happy to just have a job…”). By the time your methods collapse the company, you’ve glided down to the Caymans with your golden parachute

I know I’m “behind enemy lines” here, but seriously, are you ignoring the impact of the lack of cooperation in DC engineered by the republican extremists? A republican backed settlement to the debt ceiling debacle last year was torpedoed by Rubio saying “Kill it” to his Young Gun followers as soon as Obama got behind it. We need centrists in congress, not extremists who play chicken with the economy.

Posted by: Fly In The Ointment at July 10, 2012 09:19 AM (o2CI1)

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