Dear GOP: You Get One More Chance

After ObamaCare passed I wrote and open letter to the GOP, "Dear GOP: Fight".
Here's my letter to the GOP after today's events at the Supreme Court:


Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I'm out and you need to be destroyed.

What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don't worry about replace, don't worry about anything else. We will do everything we have to drag your sorry asses over the line this fall, including electing Mitt Fucking Romney.

In return this is what you will do:

Instead of adjourning for pictures and tea and cake to celebrate getting your pathetic asses elected to 2 or 6 years on the government teet, you will immediately pass a one line bill that says, "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and whatever statute number has to be included) is hereby repealed."

That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Since Congress meets before Inauguration Day, Obama will still be President. Simply hold the legislation at the desk so the 10 day pocket veto clock doesn't start. If other parliamentary BS is needed, just do it.

Then as soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.

If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We've tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it's time to show you the stick.

No more, "oh the other guys are worse" scare tactics. That might be true but it doesn't mean you are any good.

This is your one job, do it or join the Whig Party in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: DrewM. at 07:03 PM



Comments

1 So, how 'bout them fuckin' Braves?

Posted by: Scobface at June 28, 2012 07:06 PM (IoNBC)

2 "What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don't worry about replace, don't worry about anything else."



Hahahaha! That's cute.....

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:07 PM (X6akg)

3 Needs more cursing.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 07:07 PM (I/Xad)

4 Emailed this to a buddy of mine earlier today. Might as well post it here.

If I was Romney I'd have one of my lawyer friends write a simple
bill that repeals the ACA and does nothing else. I'd then spend
the next few months showing that bill to every group I spoke to,
with the promise to send it to the House my first day in office
and demand a vote within the week. I'd send copies to every R
running for the House and the Senate and urge them to promise to
vote to pass it when it arrives in their chamber.


Posted by: Fuloydo at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (NUFSn)

5 I can dig this.

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (z9HTb)

6 Let's not get hasty. We have to keep our powder dry. This is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: ejo at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (HzC9j)

7 Huzzah!

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (v2BZS)

8 That's the way we already feel about them as a party in CA.

Posted by: California Conservative at June 28, 2012 07:09 PM (TZ/Pd)

9
Let's not get hasty. We have to keep our powder dry. This is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: ejo at June 28, 2012 07:08 PM (HzC9j)

-----------------------------------
There are no other hills, none.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (v2BZS)

10 So, how 'bout them fuckin' Braves?

They're not the same without Bobby mouthing off to the umpire and getting ejected several times per season.

We need Bobby to go to DC and deliver the message.

Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (Y1c/9)

11 Well, I guess I didn't get to buy that champagne, but fortunately I did think ahead and stock up on $8 rum.

I'd say "to your health", but you'll have to get on a waiting-list for that.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (QTHTd)

12 Before the last fucking piece of confetti hits the ground...

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (QKKT0)

13 Dear GOP,



You seem to be missing your balls. Please locate.

Thanks

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 07:10 PM (I/Xad)

14 That's adorable, Drew.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (caAEA)

15 Victory or Death!

Posted by: William Barrett Travis, Alamo Commandant at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (kqqGm)

16 Wouldn't be prudent

Posted by: Bush 41 at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (AUeaU)

17 Heard Beck was furious this morning. Heard Rush snippets he wasn't so thrilled....Mark Levin appears to be on a slow burn....but Savage, Savage has gone full on ballistic.....

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (oZfic)

18 I concur on all aspects of this proposal, except I'd reduce the number of chances by one. Say hello to by new little friend, Gary Johnson.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (tyKPS)

19 Naw, that bill isn't a tax!

Posted by: John Roberts Souter at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (AUeaU)

20 Who's with me?

Posted by: Bluto at June 28, 2012 07:11 PM (QKKT0)

21 Seconded.

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (VPxJg)

22 Me, daddy, David, and Allah will just have a party without you then, sourpants!!!

Posted by: Meghan McCain, Real Republican at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (Y+DPZ)

23 Agree with Drew

Posted by: NWConservative at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (M1gmo)

24 Yeah! I like that, Johnny! Yeah! I'm gonna use that! HAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Terry Silver, Cobra Kai Dojo at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (CPX+P)

25 Senate Dems can kiss their ass goodbye.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (v2BZS)

26 Dear squishes,

Final warning. Straighten up, or find a new career.

--America

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica Sanitation Department at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (x8wJs)

27 >>>Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1

Repealing O-Care would be nice. But now that we have this horrible precedent. It's just a matter of time before we are bludgeoned with it again. Unless you think that once O-Care is gone Roberts might have a change of heart and overturn the next piece of Sh*t tax to comply bill that comes down the pike.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (0q2P7)

28 Better to fight for something than live for nothing.

Posted by: George S. Patton, Noted WW II Badass at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (kqqGm)

29 I'll go one step further. If Mittens can't show us said draft of law before election day, then they've essentially proven there is no difference between the Ruling Class Republicans and RC Democrats. Both are statists interested in ensuring the Gov't till steals as much from the populace as possible.

Note, I'm not saying EVERY GOP. I'm saying the Ruling Class Establishment which Romney and the Bushes came from. The group that has dictated the GOP's true direction, regardless of platforms since 1988. If they cannot show us that they are truly different from the Democrats, then the party needs to be blown to Kingdom Come. Period. Full Stop.

Posted by: Shawn at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (/lltO)

30 It's a TAX!

It's an ENTITLMENT!

It's TWO (clack) TWO (clack) TWO laws in ONE !!

Posted by: John Roberts at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (Y+DPZ)

31 By the way, you all need to start reading Lawrence Auster if you haven't already. He told us about Roberts: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003868.html

Now he's telling us about Romney.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (QTHTd)

32 Sorry to go OT so fast, but I can no longer connect with AOSHQ while browsing on my blackberry (3G). All other websites will come up except this one. It will come up if I use said blackberry in tether mode with my laptop, but not freestanding. I spent an hour on the phone with Verizon over this, and it is still not working on this website alone of all I've tried. Any ideas?

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 07:14 PM (cvtEk)

33 This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it
be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in
trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take
this.

Posted by: Bluto at June 28, 2012 07:14 PM (QKKT0)

34 We're circling the toilet. WHEEEEEE!!!!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:15 PM (caAEA)

35 My, my.. how confrontational.. I daresay you are acting out of anger and frustration, old boy.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 07:15 PM (UTq/I)

36 My friendshh, there's something magic in reaching across the aisle.

Posted by: John McCain at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (QKKT0)

37 Fuck the parties, fuck the walk to the White House, fuck it all.

Roberts swears in Mitt, he turns, says "Thank you," and signs the repeal bill right there on the National Mall in front of tens of thousands.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (B/yDO)

38 Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:13 PM (QTHTd)

I already know Romney is gonna suck, but what choice do I have. The only hope I have in Romney is that he's gonna bring some of that "Creative Destruction" to the Executive Branch. Congress is a lost cause as far as I am concerned. They will continue to vote themselves the Treasury and stick us w/ the bill.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (mO2XR)

39 SCOTUS? Damn, I thought you said Scrotum. My mouth was watering...

Posted by: Patrick Gaspard at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (MRYK8)

40 Yep, GOP better get this shit right or I'm done with them

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (DmRus)

41 Last week I made a prediction this would happen. I was off by a few days but consider:

1. Obamacare passes the Supreme Court. Since it shocks pretty much everyone and is good for Obama, there's not much conflict the media can wring out of it -- not nearly as much as if it had been called unconstitutional.

2. Same day: House votes to hold Holder in contempt, with even some Democrat support.

3. Media has no real coverage to distract from #2.

4. This afternoon, Fox reports a shooting at a military base.

Exactly as I predicted...I was just off by a few days.

Posted by: fwiw at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (B60j2)

42

Trey Gowdy up next on FBN with Lou Dobbs. Should be a barn burner.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (hvwLi)

43 If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.

Posted by: Wlliam T. Sherman, Note Civil War Badass at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (kqqGm)

44
We're so f'n fked. The punditpricks on "our" side the so-called (Laura Ingraham, Krauthammer, et al) need to STFU about replace.
The Dems showed just get the f ing thing done. Do the same.
Don't Punch Down!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (IlAq7)

45 A little wishy washy .... but your heart is in the right place .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (npr0X)

46
I agree completely DrewM, but the point is moot. If we drag the GOP into power and they betray us again, it will regrettably be time to refresh the Tree of Liberty again ... Remember what followed the collapse of the Whigs?

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (jts1f)

47 Yea, Drew!

Posted by: EyeTest at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (ReC4P)

48 Henceforth, it (meaning the law that ate America) should be called ObamaTaxCare....and it should be called that loud and often until it's drilled into every dumbass low info voter in all our 57 states.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (vOMX+)

49 This second glass of wine just isn't kicking in. Could it be the white-hot rage burning in me?

We threw some money Mitt's way, the first we've given a candidate since the day McCain announced Sarah as his running mate. And we hated McCain.

My husband used to regularly donate to the RNC. No more.

We'll give to candidates we deem worthy. That's it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (UOM48)

50 If there are no Republicans, then who do we blame all the failures and bad things that happen on?

Come on guys, we can't survive without a scapegoat !!

Posted by: The MBM at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (Y+DPZ)

51 The dem convention is going to be a hoot to watch this year. How many do you think will actually attend? And it's in the BoA stadium if I'm not mistaken. Lots and lots of seats to fill.

Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (ucs8Y)

52 Roberts swears in Mitt, he turns, says "Thank you," and signs the repeal bill right there on the National Mall in front of tens of thousands.
Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:16 PM (B/yDO)

I want him to say "Fuck You, You're Fired" to Roberts as well as he signs it... that would be awesome.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (mO2XR)

53 Afuckingmen.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (Gk3SS)

54 I like this !

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (SWev6)

55 This is seriously the GOP's last chance. If they either lose the election, or win and do nothing, I can't see the party surviving.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (+usC4)

56 Any ideas?

Posted by: texette
..........
Ideas? Don't use your fucking Blackberry!

No one gives a shit (especially today) that your Blackberry is acting up! Jesus Effn Christ on a stick!

(ahhh.. the booze is kickin' in!)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (UTq/I)

57 We conservatives are above threats of confrontation and disruptive behavior, aren't we? Besides, just looking at the creases on the pants of this Obama chap makes me realize once more how we have much more in common than what separates us.

Posted by: David Brooks at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (QKKT0)

58 Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 28, 2012 07:17 PM (hvwLi)

Any live stream or Archaic TV only?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (mO2XR)

59 Great, Drew.

Posted by: Dianna at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (bwUzo)

60 While I was at work, someone stole my fucking tomatoes right off my fucking patio. I've been watering them every day for two months. These were the first ripe ones. I was going to have them for dinner.

It's the same fucking thing, isn't it? No point working for anything, it's all going to be taken from you by people who don't work.

I was feeling OK most of the day...sarcastic, gloomy, but now I'm ready to go slit my wrists. RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (hO8IJ)

61
30It's a TAX!

It's an ENTITLMENT!

It's TWO (clack) TWO (clack) TWO laws in ONE !!


It's......FUBARcare!

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (0T8H7)

62 @18 Preach it, brother.

Posted by: Ken at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (fFh95)

63 Which reminds me, how long have we been pushing the republicans to do something about the border?

It may be not that the republican party needs to be destroyed. It is the major asshole/holes behind Oz's curtain.

What do you think about that Mr. Ace?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (EiH7n)

64

Organizing civil disobedience is not our forte. Nor is breaking the law in trying to do more. We are going to suck this up meekly as always and keep going on, too comfortable and scared to do any damn thing about it. Freedom loving Americans are now a minority in our former country.


Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (UaxA0)

65 Yes, the first item on Romney's desk needs to be repealing Obamacare. But good lucking convincing about 30% of our party that Obamacare takes priority over gay marriage, and convincing another 30% of our party that robots aren't going to eat their medicine.

Posted by: wooga at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (vjyZP)

66 60
While I was at work, someone stole my fucking tomatoes right off my
fucking patio. I've been watering them every day for two months. These
were the first ripe ones. I was going to have them for dinner.

It's
the same fucking thing, isn't it? No point working for anything, it's
all going to be taken from you by people who don't work.

I was feeling OK most of the day...sarcastic, gloomy, but now I'm ready to go slit my wrists. RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (hO8IJ



Dammit, Heather. Obamabots most likely.


Today sucks ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (UOM48)

67 In England the judges should have independence to
protect the people against the crown. Here the judges should not be
independent of the people, but be appointed for not more than seven
years. The people would always re-elect the good judges.

Posted by: Andrew Jackson, Noted War of 1812 Badass at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (kqqGm)

68 @51

I'm sorta near it, I hope I don't run into any Occupoopers.

Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (a0nis)

69 "
Yeah! I like that, Johnny! Yeah! I'm gonna use that! HAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Terry Silver, Cobra Kai Dojo at June 28, 2012 07:12 PM (CPX+P)"
===================Now I ask you: where else can you go on the Internet to find people playing with Karate Kid III sock puppets?*golf clap**wipes tears from eyes*Thank you. I needed that.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (MBmtt)

70 Ohboyohboyohboy..

Now I'll get an invite to George Clooney's house for dinner

Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John "Maverick" Roberts at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (Yhu4q)

71 This second glass of wine just isn't kicking in. Could it be the white-hot rage burning in me?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (UOM4


Wine? You bring a fancy cabernet to the fight, I bring an Aquaman souvenir tumbler of cheap scotch.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (QKKT0)

72 Oh look little troll has a new nic!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (DmRus)

73 I should have said Mr. DrewM.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (EiH7n)

74
Any live stream or Archaic TV only?

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (mO2XR)
Google Fox Business streaming.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (hvwLi)

75


RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.


Posted by: HeatherRadish



Where do you live, the projects?

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (UaxA0)

76 I know, right? Look GOP ideas on healthcare reform are not directed to "healthcare is human right, gimmme free stuffzzz lolz," but ways of making the actual product more affordable:
1. tort reform
2. competition
3. probably providing some route for the poor, lazy, or stupid* to get health care when they don't get off their asses to buy insurance.

* right? we're suffering for these people.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (QxSug)

77 And here we are with Mitt as our only option. Yay. It sure was worth it to bicker and fight like we did during the primaries, huh? "Ooops."

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (caAEA)

78 Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.

Posted by: George Washington, noted Revolutionary War Badass at June 28, 2012 07:22 PM (kqqGm)

79 I just made a killer pasta sauce

Posted by: Heather Radish's neighbor at June 28, 2012 07:22 PM (Yhu4q)

80 Killing Obamacare is one thing, but it is the lesser of things. Congress must pass a law restricting and defining the scope of its taxation powers.

I don't know how many really realize how we lost our freedom today.

If the founders who risked their lives and property to be free of the king saw America today they simply would not have bothered.

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 07:22 PM (T/L2Z)

81 Heather that sucks. I hope they choke.

Posted by: huerfano at June 28, 2012 07:22 PM (bAGA/)

82 Just win Now. Fuck Obama and her weakass thin-skinned near boy of a husband!

Posted by: Move On yoursefl fucking Obama at June 28, 2012 07:22 PM (IlAq7)

83 The GOP wants Holder to resign?

I want Roberts to resign.


Posted by: Glaucon at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (mP9Rx)

84 Let me add a relevant comment. We don't have parties in America. They have parties in parliamentary systems: groups of people with narrowly defined philosophies and agendas. Often in parliamentary systems, no single party will obtain a majority. In this case, they work out deals to form what's called a coalition government. The Republican and Democrat "parties" in America are really just that: coalitions. The Democrats have the hardcore Marxists, the trade unionists, the feminists, the racial grievance brigade, the unemployed (and the unemployable), the anti-religious crowd, the homosexuals, etc. The Republicans have the pro-military people, the "law and order" crowd, the Classical Liberals, the pro-business groups, the devout Christians, and so on.

Some groups float in between the two parties based on who they think will a) win; and b) give them what they want. A lot of the so-called "moderates" and "independents" are in this group. Many of them are quite strong libertarians and conservatives. But they're sick of the Republican "move to the middle" dance. We have to convince them that the Republican party is a coalition. We need to convince them that their presence and influence is required.

We need to keep doing what the Tea Party has done: increase our influence over the primary process and try to weed out the ineffectual and unreliable Republican candidates. I think we're making real progress here and I don't think we should give up. The socialists saw very little progress early on. But they kept trying to inject sleepers into the political process and eventually succeeded in driving the nation hard to the Left. It's our job to drive it back.

Work on this. Lobby to get reliable libertarian and conservative judges and bureaucrats appointed. Work to get reliable candidates in office. Hold their feet to the fire. Don't give up. Certainly don't give up because we had a bad day at court.

Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (Y1c/9)

85 "But good lucking convincing about 30% of our party that Obamacare takes priority over gay marriage."
===============

Oh, that's bullshit. Social cons are not going to be an impediment against repealing ObamaCare. if anyone, the squishes who LOVE gay marriage will be.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (MBmtt)

86 Wow, Heather, that sucks. Lawlessness and lack of morality is the new black...

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (vOMX+)

87
RIGHT OFF MY FUCKING PATIO.


Posted by: HeatherRadish

Shaggoth strikes again!

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (BIRhA)

88 I ain't got no money, but I'll sign off on that damned letter.

Watch the left's heads explode when the TEA Party *replaces* the GOP.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (bxiXv)

89 Cutting... Pasting.... DONE!

Posted by: Max Entropy at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (haWgb)

90 "Don't worry about replace"

...what?

really?

just repeal it and go back to the status quo where taxpayers and the health-care consumers who ACTUALLY PAY are ALREADY subsidising a lot of waste, fraud, and unpaid emergency-room care from leeches who face no repercussions for spending their lives in emergency-room waiting lines and refusing to pay the bills?

uh, healthcare is BROKEN in this country, and most voters know it. repeal with no alternatives plays right into the media's narrative about republican obstructionism. we AT LEAST need to address obstructive interstate health-insurance regulations!

"repeal, not replace" isn't going to endear the GOP to any of the swing voters who really DO think -- rightfully so! -- that the health-care industry is BROKEN in america.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (79EF9)

91 Many Bothans died to bring us HeatherRadish's tomatoes.

Posted by: Mon Mothma at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (QKKT0)

92 >>Dammit, Heather. Obamabots most likely.

Or anyone who's been a Democrat in the last 80 years. This whole concept of what other people produce should be taken away and given to you, just because you want it? FDR. LBJ. Obama's just building on the attitudes inculcated by their work.

(Wilson? I know he was a Fascist, but I don't know enough about his attitude toward redistribution.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (hO8IJ)

93 To be fair to the worst president in modern times . . .

Al Gore would've had us under a carbon cap and trade system by now.

But yeah, Bush was a disaster in every single area.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (B/yDO)

94 I suspect Willard Mitt is just happy to go where no Romney has gone before, and therefore can't be trusted, but I'm down with ultimatums. At this point, the pubs retain a slight edge.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (i330i)

95 >>>Sorry to go OT so fast, but I can no longer connect with AOSHQ while
browsing on my blackberry (3G). ..Any ideas?

Have Justice Roberts declare it a combination F*king Iphone-Android. Then it should be work just fine.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (0q2P7)

96 >> My husband used to regularly donate to the RNC. No more.

Good. I won't give 'em a cent, either. We don't need the Republican party. What we need are educated voters and politicians who are answerable to them.

I'm pissed off, but I'm not on the hopelessness train, either. The new media genuinely is changing the world. Things will get better.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (y15sM)

97 It's all for naught until the MBM is driven out of business or reduced to niches like Bill Maher's show. Do not swallow the prap that "a free and open media is the cornerstone of our democracy". The MBM has taken their freedom and turned it into privilege, a mouthpiece for an elite aristocracy with only one goal, to reduce the unwashed commoners into the serfdom of socialism

Once today's elite journalists and news analysts are reduced to clipping out coupons and shopping at garage sales, then a new party dedicated to constitutional freedoms, free markets, and limited government might have a chance

Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (Y+DPZ)

98 Drew, you should work for Hallmark.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (qwK3S)

99 Mitt gets sworn in my Roberts, signs the repeal and then turns to Roberts and says Its constitutional, Bitch.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (C2//T)

100
48Henceforth, it (meaning the law that ate America) should be called ObamaTaxCare....and it should be called that loud and often until it's drilled into every dumbass low info voter in all our 57 states.

------------

ObamaTaxCare.
Yeah. This one has the right ring to it.
It's better than just "ObamaTax" or "ObamaCareTax".....because "TaxCare" is a better descriptor of what it actually is.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (0T8H7)

101 This 4th of July is gonna be a real fucking party, huh? YAY TO INDEPENDENCE!!!!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (caAEA)

102 Drew, that is pure poetry.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (bMLFV)

103 Posted by: Lady in Black

Do I even need to say it?

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (+usC4)

104 if anyone, the squishes who LOVE gay marriage will be.
***
Ok, your pants could use some serious ironing.

Posted by: David Brooks at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (AUeaU)

105 We will do everything we have to drag your sorry asses over the line this fall, including electing Mitt Fucking Romney

well put, Drew.
let the vomiting commence

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (bAsHU)

106 Posted by: macintx at June 28, 2012 07:18 PM (ucs8Y)
___

I wonder if McCaskill and Manchin have changed their minds in light of the O-Care ruling. Will they now be in a mood to cheerlead Dear Leader in NC?

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (jm/9g)

107 60

Know how you feel.
But, you might not believe it - it's entirely probable it was goddamn squirrels.

They're almost as bad as baby puffins.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (Qxdfp)

108 And remember, I'm only 57 years old! I can pull this shit for at least another twenty, thirty years easy!

Suck it!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Strategic Genius, Or Something at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (MBmtt)

109 At a certain point I think you've had enough lycopene.

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (BIRhA)

110 Certainly don't give up because we had a bad day at court.
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (Y1c/9)


We've had a bad 60 years. A few good days, mind you, but mostly downhill.

There are plenty of things from that time we'd all like to keep, but we CANNOT keep going the direction we've gone. It doesn't matter if we think we can live with it, we CAN'T.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 07:25 PM (bxiXv)

111 93 (Wilson? I know he was a Fascist, but I don't know enough about his attitude toward redistribution.)

Wilson signed the federal income tax into law.

And the Federal Reserve Bank, which isn't redistributive as you'd define it, but sucks enough to be mentioned every single time

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (B/yDO)

112 Yeah, THAT'll convince 'Pubbies to do the right thing. THAT'll save the country. Threaten the nuclear carpet-bombing of the only vehicle we have to get the country back, assuming it isn't already long past the point of no return. Which today makes a great deal more likely.

You come off like you're trying holding the GOP hostage at gunpoint and hoping that Stockholm Syndrome takes effect before they decide to flip you both barrels and go have cocktails with Chief Justice Roberts. Why on Earth would Boehner or McConnell or a President Romney react positively to such profane, belligerent threats? Would you?

It's a Polish firing squad, Drew. A temper tantrum. You're never going to replace the GOP with anything remotely as viable. So if you follow through on your threat, you'll be surrendering the country once and for all to those who have driven it to the brink of fiscal destruction. You're advocating literal political and national suicide before O can deliver the coup de grace himself.

I thought the enemy was O and the Dems. You seem to be inordinately confused about it.

Posted by: JASmius at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (uZCiN)

113 I wish it worked like that, Drew, but it doesn't.

The same revered Founders who wisely chose winner-take-all systems instead of parliamentary ones because it restrained wild swings between groups (read: parties) also knew it restrains wild swings WITHIN those same groups.

A Massachusetts Republican isn't the same as a Florida Republican or as a Utah Republican or a Maine Republican. And they can never be made the same. For, if they were, they'd become a definitive minority in the country as a whole.

That doesn't mean that energizing the animal spirits of the GOP, with anger if need be, is misguided.

On the contrary, I think the Roberts' Court has just given the GOP a much-needed reminder that this November's election is a fight on death ground.

But in politics, no win and no loss are final or complete. There is always another battle.

Posted by: DriveBy at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (PqT4s)

114 OT: I just got a call from my son at Fort Bragg, he said a Lt. Colonel was shot and killed today. He didn't know anything else, just called me to let me know he was ok. Has anyone heard anything about this?

Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (OXnPj)

115 >>Where do you live, the projects?

Subdivision in Hendricks County, across the street from an elementary school so new it's not on Google Earth. Todd Rokita's district; he voted for the repeal in January so I assume he'll do it again in July.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (hO8IJ)

116 This would seem to be the downside of that pragmatism we exercise when we don't make it our standard practice to muster good candidates* to primary against RINOs.

We should be always interviewing, and never satisfied, and our rep should never feel comfortable.

*I said, GOOD candidates.

Posted by: lauraw at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (DbybK)

117 I hope you spill your fucking "cocktail" at Nancy's victory party you dushbag

Posted by: Sam Alito at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (IlAq7)

118 Which reminds me, The Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a really good movie.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (EiH7n)

119 Wait a minute. What about my 3000% decrease in health insurance premiums?

Posted by: wth at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (wAQA5)

120 Let it out Drew, let it alllllllllll out before it's time to take it to Obama.

Posted by: JJstone at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (gGzpT)

121 I would say "Read my lips, no new taxes," but if you looked too closely, you might see Reggie Love's DNA.

Posted by: King Putt at June 28, 2012 07:27 PM (B/yDO)

122 "It's a Polish firing squad, Drew. A temper tantrum. You're never going to replace the GOP with anything remotely as viable."

Yeah!

Posted by: the Whig Party at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (uhAkr)

123 >>Wilson signed the federal income tax into law.

I know that was being pushed by Prohibitionists: most of the federal tax collected was on alcohol, and they couldn't ban it without replacing the revenue.

Fucking proggs, forcing their fucking ascetic lifestyle on everyone else.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (hO8IJ)

124 This 4th of July is gonna be a real fucking party, huh? YAY TO INDEPENDENCE!!!!
***
which is better—to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away, or by three thousand tyrants not a mile away?

Posted by: Dr. Byles at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (AUeaU)

125

DrewM,
I would add one thing to your letter.....
REMEMBER 2006.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (0T8H7)

126 Woodrow Wilson was an evil bastard POS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (UOM48)

127 OT: I just got a call from my son at Fort Bragg, he
said a Lt. Colonel was shot and killed today. He didn't know anything
else, just called me to let me know he was ok. Has anyone heard
anything about this?

Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (OXnPj)

==========


Yeah, heard it was a murder-suicide.

http://tinyurl.com/7dbo6hg


Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (X6akg)

128
The Supreme Court decision was a crushing defeat for right wing republicans. Can I use the term crushing?

Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at June 28, 2012 07:28 PM (hvwLi)

129 BTW - If you liked your $100 a month catastrophic plan, you can keep it (if they still exist) but prepare to also pay the fine because the minimum plan under this law will be closer to a $400/mo. cadillac plan that covers everything.

Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (iYvMQ)

130 Based on the lightning-fast response on the SC ruling,

I think Romney actually gets it. He realizes his shot at election now hinges more on the demands of the right than reminding the late-bloomer voters about the economy. That he will be a one and done and lose.

If he doesn't... Whigs. All of them. Burn it down.

Posted by: CAC at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (TkC13)

131 which is better—to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away, or by three thousand tyrants not a mile away?
----
Exactly.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (caAEA)

132 Thanks Tami!

Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (OXnPj)

133 He didn't say nothing about my rent or my gasoline. The Supreme Court said I get rent and gasoline money, right?

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (MBmtt)

134 Sorry to offend, Jerry. My phone is my connection to this blog and the news. I've been missing the posts. Thought someone might know something to help. Especially for today.

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (cvtEk)

135 124 "I know that was being pushed by Prohibitionists: most of the federal tax
collected was on alcohol, and they couldn't ban it without replacing
the revenue."

Could you imagine getting through today's events with Prohibition still in place?

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (B/yDO)

136 Thatcher said it best "You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it."
We have fought this battle over ObamaCare many times. We must fight this battle one more time. When we win at the ballot box in November the GOP must immediately repeal the law. If they do not I'm done with the party.

Posted by: Big T Party at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (EhUTA)

137
(Refering to the blog post, 'cause I haven't read the comments.)

I'll go for that.

Posted by: Jack at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (wUFaM)

138 @117

this is always the hard question! when do you have a good enough representative that trying to improve upon him is a waste of resources that might be better focussed elsewhere!

it's a major question in the restructuring of comapny management across various internal sectors...when is one business unit "well-managed ENOUGH" that you stop wasting dollars and time on that unit's management and hone your focus more clearly on the rest of the units?

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (79EF9)

139 Dear GOP,
You've fucked pretty much everything up until now. The ball is in your court and there is no reason to think you won't fuck this up now even if you win in 2012. Continue to enjoy the lavish benefits of elected office while you trip over your own cocks at every step.

-Everyone with more than half a brain.






Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (E0rp6)

140 Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 28, 2012 07:21 PM (hvwLi)

TY sir

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (mO2XR)

141 Why on Earth would Boehner or McConnell or a President Romney react positively to such profane, belligerent threats?
***
Yeah, and who are you gonna vote for anyway? Face it, you'll take what we give you and like it, teabagger.

Posted by: Boehner, McConnell, Romney at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (AUeaU)

142 I'm finally reading the actual PDF of the opinion on OCare and it's a marvel I must say.

Here's a gem at random: But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice.

Yes, hmm, quite, I guess.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (QupBk)

143 Who are you, and what the fuck did you do with whatshisface?

Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (mxnUd)

144 Go ahead wingers, take your bats and balls and go home. I'm building a New Majority that will reach across the aisle and create the kind of utopia that all Americans want, and we want to show the vast moderate middle that Republicans are their friends and want to be a part of a big benevolent government that makes wise choices for them.


Posted by: David Frum, Real Republican at June 28, 2012 07:30 PM (Y+DPZ)

145 I'm living for the day the Obamas are dragged kicking and clawing out of the WH and off AF One.

My lib sister will be on suicide watch, but since she no longer wants anything to do with me or D'oh (and our financial help), so be it.

I'm becoming a really cold bitch that way.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:32 PM (UOM48)

146 Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (OXnPj)

Actually, I should have said murder-attempted suicide. Looks like the shooter didn't succeed in killing himself.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:32 PM (X6akg)

147 >>closer to a $400/mo. cadillac plan that covers everything.

Probably more than that, because "everything" now covers everything uterine, and men have to be charged the same rates as women.

When I was shopping in WI a few years ago, the diff between "maternity covered" and not was $600/mo.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:32 PM (hO8IJ)

148 /s/ Signed

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 07:32 PM (X/+QT)

149
Here's a gem at random: But imposition of a tax nonetheless
leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act,
so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice.

Hmm... $1M abortion tax?

If only we had legislators with a backbone, they could make the left regret Robert's treason. But...we don't.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 28, 2012 07:33 PM (AUeaU)

150 I feel sick. I'd fly the flag upside down right now...if the flag stood for anything anymore.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:33 PM (caAEA)

151 @130

$400/mo.!?!?

where did you read that? that's half again what i pay for rent, and definitely over the "10%-of-income" standard invoked in the decision as "excessively punitive" for a LOT of citizens! that seems it would fall under "excessively punitive" for those citizens!

...of course, don't tell me we're just planning to give free health care to those who take home $48 000 per annum, after tax, and under... -.-

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (79EF9)

152 they won't do it


Posted by: Chris at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (aKmoL)

153 Do you one better. Demand that each justice who voted this shit in get removed by impeachment the first fucking week of the new session.

Then replace them all with guys like Mark Levin, Thomas Sowell, Hugh Hewitt, & John Hinderaker.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (5mx3x)

154 I thought the enemy was O and the Dems

I never thought that. I always saw most other people as the enemy. That's why I am a royalist, or at least an oligarchist ("Republican", in the Roman sense).

We'll look at the oligarchic solution first. The legal way to make that happen is another Constitutional Convention. The aim of the new Constitution would be to disenfranchise everyone on Federal public assistance or employment, with exceptions for veteran service. (If Charlie Rangel ever leaves office, he still gets to vote. But his constituents don't.)

The "Atlas Shrugged" moment is coming, whoever wins in November. So we are going to lose our democracy whatever happens. I would rather lose to the military heroes and the gainfully employed in this country.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (QTHTd)

155 Drew. polease, our betters are playing chess, we just don't understand, they ARE being prudent.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (TomZ9)

156 115
OT: I just got a call from my son at Fort Bragg, he said a Lt. Colonel
was shot and killed today. He didn't know anything else, just called me
to let me know he was ok. Has anyone heard anything about this?

Posted by: Lopinslow at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM

That's why guns have to be banned at military bases, then donuts !!

Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (Y+DPZ)

157 Re: the Fort Bragg shooter

What's the over/under on crazy vs. muslim?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM (OL4L4)

158 Which reminds me, Re-animator was a really good movie. Many doctors in it too.

That is the medical care we will soon all have. Green goo for you.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (EiH7n)

159 This is your last chance. If you blow this, I'm out and you need to be destroyed.

I appreciate the passion, but don't make threats you won't back up.

You won't back up this threat, I hope, because you'llconclude that you can change the GOP with a fraction of the effort it will take to launch a viable third party. (I'm assuming you want to remain viable. No one puts this much work every day into advancing the conservative cause to just give it up for symbolism.)

I've said it before and it really, really is true: It's incredibly easy to join and change theplatform of your county GOP Committee, which shapes the opinions of the State GOP Committee. Or, just run for state committee. Move. Act. That matters.

Don't threaten to leave the party. Few will follow you and you will take yourself out of the game. Take the same passion and energy and push the GOP in the direction you want to go. It's not as dramatic as leaving, but it's more effective.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (9KqcB)

160 So even though you paying a fine, you are not a criminal because you are paying the fine to the IRS so it's a tax not a penalty.

Roberts notes that if, in his binding opinion, you had to pay the fine to HHS, then it would be a fine and a whole different ball of wax.



First, we hang the lawyers.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (QupBk)

161 Joffen {{hug}}

Take a deep breath, go for a walk, read something, listen to some music.

I'm as sick as you, but over half my mind (and my whole heart) is in A-Stan.

I could easily go crazy, but I won't let myself.

You've always got the horde to vent with.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (UOM48)

162 []

Posted by: Sweep the leg at June 28, 2012 07:36 PM (lL8ls)

163 I like it Drew. But it's not gonna happen. By January there will be so much shit already 'in the works' that it will be a nightmare to try to undo and the ruling class ain't gonna work that hard trying to figure out how to get out from under it.
WE'RE ALL SOCIALISTS' NOW.
Yep, it sucks. Glad I'm old and the body is starting to fall apart so I won't have to watch my kids, grandkids have to live through this.
So, is there a big dumping ground for all the pudding the moron's bought to 'celebrate' this day?? <<ducking running before I hit post...>

Posted by: myYbj at June 28, 2012 07:36 PM (myYbj)

164 >>Could you imagine getting through today's events with Prohibition still in place?

*blink* I was so fucking pissed off about my tomatoes, I forgot to open a beer for myself when I fed the cat. Got that fixed now.

I think I might be having the psychotic break SCOAMT was supposed to be having.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:36 PM (hO8IJ)

165 How a President Romney would play 2013.

Jan: And we will overturn Obamacare! At least the bad parts! Whatever they are!

Feb: Meeting with McConnell, Boehner - Yeah, those teabaggers want to drop the whole thing. What the hell? What did Reid want? Ok I've got an idea.

Mar: And that's why I'm calling to remove elements X, Y, and Z

Apr: Reid filibustering this was such a surprise! Oh well, guess we need 60 Senators. Sorry guys! I did everything I could.

May 2013- Nov 2017: zzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: 18-1 at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (AUeaU)

166 Fortunately I'm a man of faith.
Unfortunately I think God is softening us up for completely wrecking the US so we won't take it so hard when it's gone.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (0q2P7)

167 First, we hang the lawyers.



Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (QupBk)

Let's not go overboard here.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (QKKT0)

168 I'm one of millions of Americans that will benefit from the Affordable Care Act. I have eczema on my scotum, and now you rubes are gonna pay to have my nutsack licked! Woo hoo! Obama Number One!

Posted by: Wisconsin Cyrin Dude at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (mxnUd)

169 Keep voting suckers. The GOP and the DEMs are the same party.

Posted by: Red at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (7us0J)

170 Mekan writes: 81 Congress must pass a law restricting and defining the scope of its taxation powers.

Really? Have you thought this through at all? You surely realize that any law passed by THIS Congress can simply be repealed/replaced by a SUCCESSIVE Congress? One Congress cannot bind a future Congress.

Now if you were going for a Constitutional Amendment--well, good luck, and I'd like to see your proposed language.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 07:38 PM (0VqvZ)

171 154
Do you one better. Demand that each justice who voted this shit in get
removed by impeachment the first fucking week of the new session.



Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:34 PM

I'll do you one better. Yank their gold plated health plans and put them on the same Obamacare that the serfs have to buy.

Posted by: kbdabear at June 28, 2012 07:38 PM (Y+DPZ)

172 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 07:38 PM (Xb3hu)

173 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (UOM4
---
God, Jane right back at ya. Bless you and your son.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:38 PM (caAEA)

174 Which reminds me, how long have we been pushing the republicans to do something about the border?



It may be not that the republican party needs to be destroyed. It is the major asshole/holes behind Oz's curtain.



What do you think about that Mr. Ace?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 28, 2012 07:20 PM (EiH7n)

We have never pushed anyone to fix the border.
Name the last guy who lost an election for being border soft.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:38 PM (z1N6a)

175 #173

Which reminds me: Eric Holder is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable criminal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (UOM48)

176 I'm really liking this abortion tax. You can be taxed for choosing not to do something...you're choosing not to continue gestating...pay up.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (hO8IJ)

177 Clean-up on aisle 163

Posted by: Armando at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (lyStv)

178 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
---
If this is failure, damn I wanna fail at everything I try.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (caAEA)

179 Keep voting suckers. The GOP and the DEMs are the same party.

Keep digging, Red. There's no such thing as too deep for your bunker.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (QupBk)

180 Keep voting suckers. The GOP and the DEMs are the same party.

Posted by: Red at June 28, 2012 07:37 PM (7us0J)


Well they get that way if you vote for the same kind of fellows so your liberal neighbors don't get mad at you.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:39 PM (z1N6a)

181 135 Sorry to offend, Jerry. My phone is my connection to this blog and the news. I've been missing the posts. Thought someone might know something to help. Especially for today.
Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 07:29 PM (cvtEk)


Too much mind-numbing stupid to respond to instead of helping people.

I don't know offhand how to clear the cache on a BB - I think it's:

While in the browser, click MENU, click OPTIONS, click CACHE OPERATIONS, click CLEAR

*OR*

While in the browser, click MENU, click OPTIONS, in the Clear Browsing Data section check CACHE, click CLEAR NOW

There are too many options I hope one of them is right.

I had a similar problem on an Android that only affected AOS.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (bxiXv)

182 Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:35 PM (9KqcB)

It maybe ineffectual but I will do whatever I can, large and small, to destroy the GOP if they don't get this done on Day 1.

We've been fighting this battle for 30 years to move the party.

What have we gotten for it? We've gone from Reagan to Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney. We've gone from Newt to Denny Hasteritt and now John Boehner. From Howard Baker alllll the way to Mitch McConnell.

We're not exactly making process.

The fact is, if ObamaCare survives or Romney replaces it with ObamaCare lite, there's very little to fight for. The die will be cast, we'll just be positioning ourselves for surviving the aftermath.

Even a candy ass RINO like me knows this is the last hill, it's time to fight. I'd rather fight and kill than fight and die.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (sPao2)

183 We need a suggestion site at Ace Of Spades from A-Z , a wish list of sorts , daily updated by state to state , kind of an ammo supply and application list. IYKWIM..
This list would include what needs to be done to Right the Ship..State by State Politician by Politician , Law by Law.. All subcatagories to be apilicable to Morons of that state all National issues addressed by all Morons collectively.. A hot list of to do..
All the love Clemenza..

Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (qA9lG)

184 President Romney will straighten shit out.

Posted by: Gabe's only thought at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (56DAY)

185 It's "teat," not "teet."

[ducks and runs]

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (TgZVh)

186 Cum stain on isle 163.

Posted by: Don't step in it at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (mxnUd)

187 Wonder what would happen if every pissed-off small business owner just shut their damned doors everywhere in October for a week in protest.

Besides hurting for money, but hell, that's coming in bunches anyways.

Ah hell, who am I kidding. They'd be murdered/burned alive/imprisoned by liberals egged on about 'kulaks'. That's how the Left rolls.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (5mx3x)

188 "While I was at work, someone stole my fucking tomatoes right off my fucking patio."

LEOs around here (mostly rural) suggest the installation of a vcr+camera (outdoor type).

Man, HR thumpin' justice would be an awesome watch on YouTube.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 07:41 PM (HjPtV)

189 Ridiculous bullshit aisle 163

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:41 PM (5mx3x)

190 Name the last guy who lost an election for being border soft.

At the state level: the people who ran against Pete Wilson and, these days, Jan Brewer. No, I don't recall their names either.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:41 PM (QTHTd)

191 We need a suggestion site at Ace Of Spades from A-Z ,
a wish list of sorts , daily updated by state to state , kind of an
ammo supply and application list. IYKWIM..

This list would include what needs to be done to Right the
Ship..State by State Politician by Politician , Law by Law.. All
subcatagories to be apilicable to Morons of that state all National
issues addressed by all Morons collectively.. A hot list of to do..

All the love Clemenza..

Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (qA9lG)


And maps....lots and lots of big colorful maps!

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (X6akg)

192 Thanks, Merovign. I'll buy you a drink someday.

Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (cvtEk)

193 >>LEOs around here (mostly rural) suggest the installation of a vcr+camera (outdoor type).

I was thinking landmines. Would also stop the neighbor's dog from pissing on my bushes.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (hO8IJ)

194 #115 Soldier killed; two others injured in Fort Bragg shooting
Just a brief report.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 28, 2012 07:43 PM (nrW1y)

195
"154Do you one better. Demand that each justice who voted this shit in get removed by impeachment the first fucking week of the new session.

Then replace them all with guys like Mark Levin, Thomas Sowell, Hugh Hewitt, John Hinderaker."

The first two - stellar choices.

Hinderaker, I don't know about.

But Hewitt was defending Roberts today. What an ignoramous.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:43 PM (Ks0w4)

196 If "DrewM" is such a tough guy, why does he post on a RINO site?

Posted by: Jorge Gomez at June 28, 2012 07:43 PM (TwA2l)

197 Boner is probably stone-drunk out on the golf course again. I wonder if he's even aware of what happened today

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 07:44 PM (Yhu4q)

198 196
Hinderaker is from Powerline. Good stuff there.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (5mx3x)

199 The Choomer-In-Chief is not failure. He just used the Constitution for toilet paper, as he has been since he got elected. The Bamster is kicking Dead Elephant ass, and has wrested control of the US gov't for his rising dictatorship. Trying to claim he is a failure has to be done in the face considerable evidence to the contrary.
The Revolution is on course and the Dead Elephants vacated well over four years ago when they ran Juan Amnesty McVain, the Other Soros candidate, and again when they ran the guy that wrote ObamaCare.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (a1oOO)

200
175.....Name the last guy who lost an election for being border soft.

McCain?
It was the reason why a lot of conservatives stayed home in 2008, and couldn't bring themsleves to vote for McCain.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (0T8H7)

201 193 Thanks, Merovign. I'll buy you a drink someday.
Posted by: texette at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (cvtEk)


Just pass it on (if that was the problem).

Let me know if it doesn't, I don't have a BB handy these days but I know where to look. Also what model is it, and is it the "stock" browser?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (bxiXv)

202 FWIW, the 112th Congress came to order in the House on Jan 5, 2011. On Jan 7, 2011, after two days of housekeeping votes to adopt the Rules and reduce the salaries and expenses of Member, committee, and leadership offices, the House passed HR 26, 236-181.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.res.00026:

The purpose of HR 26 was to repeal Obamacare, and instruct relevant committees to begin coming up with replacements for its various elements.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (OL4L4)

203 @183

i don't think you know what "ineffectual" means if you're following it up with "...but i'll do whatever i can".

just sayin. >.>

obamacare light is a bad thing, sure, but we need something. swing voters want health-care costs back under control. that's a reasonable desire, given the sorry state of the HMO-medical complex.

and we ALREADY pay for free-loaders...been to an emergency room lately? better hope you have a life-threatening injury if you don't wanna be there for several hours before you get seen, because these days, the ER is an all-purpose, one-stop medical shop for those who have neither insurance nor intention of paying for the medical care they receive.

they DON'T turn people away at the ER.

the question is, do those hospitals and service providers just skate by with lesser profits? or do they pass the losses associated with non-paying consumers (i.e., leeches) on to their paying customers?

almost certainly it's the latter, right?

we HAVE to have an idea for replacing obamatax...if not, a LARGE part of the electorate is gonna view the repeal as little more than childish political posturing with no real drive towards a practical solution.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (79EF9)

204 A lot of whiners here. This was not the GOPs fault. While I don't agree with the ruling, they're just saying you've got to win the political debate and repeal it. No easy out. So, put your big boy pants on and do whatever you can to get conservatives elected in November. This is going to be a sweeter victory if that's the way it goes down.

Posted by: Denny at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (C8FUI)

205 The voices of despair are tiresome.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (QupBk)

206 How are we free? What liberty remains with us now?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (caAEA)

207
"repeal, not replace" isn't going to endear the GOP to any of the swing voters who really DO think -- rightfully so! -- that the health-care industry is BROKEN in america.
Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:24 PM (79EF9)

we stated, and Mitt is uniquely able to argue replace.
also while some will say Romneycare was the model, it was 2630 pages left, didn't raise taxes on taxpayers , didn't create racial quotas for medical schools, allowed people to buy catastrophic care not cadillac care etc.

Too many swing voters like the few goodies in Obamacare, but dislike the bill overall. The media and the healthcare.gov commercials wil endlessly play up the few goodies,so just repeal won't win.

Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (51xVX)

208 This is kind of a dumb post. I mean, unless it's just about venting, then sure, go ahead.

I'm pretty sure I'll be equally as thrilled if Romney repeals Obamacare on Day 30 as would be if he did it on Day 1. In fact, I can guarantee you it won't "happen" on Day 1, for the simple reason that the Senate trickery is going to take some time. (EX: If there was some remotely possible chance you could get to 60 votes for a full repeal, then it's worth taking the time to get there. Otherwise you CANNOT fully repeal Obamacare that way, you're going to have to torpedo the mandate via reconciliation and take down a number of other parts of it by gutting them via budget decisions and then maybe even hit the 'nuclear option' and do filibuster reform to get rid of more.)

That said, I'll agree with this much: if Romney wins and has a GOP Senate, there is literally no conceivable, forgivable reason for him not uprooting this stuff.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (ogWsV)

209 McCain?
It was the reason why a lot of conservatives stayed home in 2008, and couldn't bring themsleves to vote for McCain.


I said I'd build your damn fence.

Posted by: juan mccain at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (QupBk)

210 200 The Choomer-In-Chief is not failure. He just used the Constitution for toilet paper, as he has been since he got elected.
Posted by: Your Inner Voice at June 28, 2012 07:45 PM (a1oOO)

And you bet your sweet ass he's got a plan to get re-elected. Like push the Libertarian Gary Johnson into the debates to split the Rep Ticket.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (mO2XR)

211 @201 or rick perry.

i think his decline really began in large part with his "compassionate" comments on immigration. he was totally the star ABR-candidate prior to that fiasco.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (79EF9)

212 The voices of despair are tiresome.

Yeah, I'm out of here. Things will look better tomorrow.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (QKKT0)

213
206The voices of despair are tiresome.

Yes, toby....yes they are.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (0T8H7)

214 Fact of Life: They score touchdowns while we are lucky to get field goals.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (E0rp6)

215 How the fuck is a Supreme Court ruling the GOP's fault? What the fuck were they supposed to do, make thinly-veiled threats like Obama did? How was that going to work?

What a fucking crybaby you are sometimes, Drew. Don't get your way? Stomp your little foot and pout, "This is the end of the GOP/Union/Whatever," and expect the whole world to stop for you.

Don't want to be a Republican anymore? Fine, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. All of us grownups will be trying to RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY while you're busy getting chapped hands in a Libertarian circle jerk.

Posted by: Fart at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (9ck1y)

216 210 McCain?
It was the reason why a lot of conservatives stayed home in 2008, and couldn't bring themsleves to vote for McCain.

I said I'd build your damn fence.
Posted by: juan mccain at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (QupBk)

unfortunately , while an urban myth conservatives didn't stay home/

Posted by: Avi at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (51xVX)

217
I've been trying to figure out what kind of Tax Roberts thinks this is?

Its not an income Tax. Its not a duty, or Excise Tax... and the Power of Congress to Tax under the Constitution is NOT absolute... and must be uniform throughout the US.... and must NOT give Religious exemptions...

So... Mr. Roberts (I will not call him Judge any Longer),just WHERE in the Constitution is this Power for Congress to put THIS Tax upon us?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2012 07:48 PM (lZBBB)

218 email this to every person you know, and ask them to send it to their representatives either running, in office or both. It's time we get serious.

Posted by: Trippy at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (SBULa)

219
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:42 PM (hO8IJ)

Now would be a bad time to mention the Pizza Margarita I just slipped into the oven, wouldn't it?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (BIRhA)

220 Mark Levin is on fire right now. He is BBQing John Roberts over this.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (jN/Z/)

221 183 "We've gone from Newt to Denny Hasteritt and now John Boehner"

Just nitpicking here, because the overall point stands, but let me be clear: Denny Hastert was a criminal and a traitor who should've been hung on the National Mall.

I also happen to like Cryin' Boehner. He's not the problem to me. McConnell, OTOH . . .

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (B/yDO)

222 Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (KL49F)

223 Go read J.E. Dyer's post over at Hot Air and come back here with confidence in the nation's future.

I'll wait.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (caAEA)

224 Well said Drew.

Posted by: NJRob at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (FVp26)

225 Remember those days back when DrewM was a mostly rational guy instead of a ranting lunatic?

Looks like his Romney Derangement Syndrome was more severe than I thought.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (SY2Kh)

226 Subdivision in Hendricks County


Posted by: HeatherRadish

I thought you were farther north. You had a picture of a NIPSCO plant on lake Michigan on your blog so I thought you lived in that area.

Posted by: myYbj at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (myYbj)

227
"203FWIW, the 112th Congress came to order in the House on Jan 5, 2011. On Jan 7, 2011, after two days of housekeeping votes to adopt the Rules and reduce the salaries and expenses of Member, committee, and leadership offices, the House passed HR 26, 236-181.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.res.00026:

The purpose of HR 26 was to repeal Obamacare, and instruct relevant committees to begin coming up with replacements for its various elements."

And . . . ?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Who thinks July 9th's vote will mean anything but symbolic and weak at that?

Anyway, if they really wanted to make a symbolic statement, they should be staying in town andvoting for our freedoms on July 4th. Get every single one of them on the record, now that the clusterfark of a Chief Justice has spoken.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (Ks0w4)

228 I've been trying to figure out what kind of Tax Roberts thinks this is?

He's quite clear. You pay the fine to the IRS so that makes it a tax.

I'm still facepalmed with this arguent.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (QupBk)

229 And you bet your sweet ass he's got a plan to get
re-elected. Like push the Libertarian Gary Johnson into the debates to
split the Rep Ticket.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (mO2XR)

LOL. That Libertarian electoral juggernaut. Wouldn't voting down the bill be using force?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (z1N6a)

230 Come.. Join the Dark Side!!

We have cookies.. um, really anything you want to ingest or imbibe..

Posted by: Libertarians at June 28, 2012 07:50 PM (8yPsP)

231 Pass the repeal now, Harry wont let it near the floor of the Senate. Have someone ask Clair, Nelson, Tebin, Tester, etc if they will vote for it at every whistlestop.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (46qC3)

232 My advise? Drink heavily. Tomorrow is Friday. Why the fuck not? Get hammered all weekend. Then, go find your game face. Or, rot in hell~ pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (mxnUd)

233 #91

You mistakenly place the insurance business and the healthcare business in a single category.

The US healthcare system is fine. All it needs is to be structured as a free market by getting rid of the broken concept of health insurance for non-catastrophic need.

Does you car insurance cover oil changes and pay for your gas? Does the insurance on your home put groceries in the fridge and make sure your pictures are hanging straight?

Of course not. So why do we go through a third party for non-catastrophic medical care? Why do we accept a system that makes it impossible to get real numbers as to what anything involved really costs? The only reliable system for pricing a good or service has been the free market. Why have we almost completely removed it from healthcare?

Frankly, I'm all for turning the healthcare system into a train wreck ASAP. We've spent so many decades breaking it. Why wait any longer? Lets burn it down so we can build anew.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (kcfmt)

234 To all those pundits that are twisting themselves into pretzels to make this sound like a win for the good side, I say f**k you. It reminds me of the Democrats that try to make all their losses into wins. Bullshit, this is a loss for America and everyone that believes in the Constitution. I'm sick about this and want to give up, but I won't.

Posted by: Ronster at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (mHC3R)

235 Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (ogWsV)

Or he could just have the new Secretary of the Treasury order the IRS not to enforce the law.

Precedence has been set

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (Yhu4q)

236

Would also stop the neighbor's dog from pissing on my bushes.


So will slug pellets.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (UaxA0)

237 Good one, DrewM.

It just so happens we have a party that's influencing elections nationwide in just two short years, is a true grassroots organization with no national bosses to screw things up, and it even has a name already. It has a winning track record in a recent election and has made history already.

The shift in power has begun to shift the Pubbies in a more conservative direction thanks to the Tea Party.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (d0Tfm)

238 Now would be a bad time to mention the Pizza Margarita I just slipped into the oven, wouldn't it?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:49 PM (BIRhA)

Pouring a Margarita on a Pizza ruins both the drink and the Pizza.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (z1N6a)

239 207How are we free? What liberty remains with us now?Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:46 PM (caAEA)We're sorry Sir, but Speach is now an Act. And the Roberts Court said we can Tax or not Tax, Acts...So we must increase your income Tax by 200% for this violation of the Speach Act.Pay up Sir, after all, its a Tax, not a penalty.

Posted by: New IRS at June 28, 2012 07:52 PM (lZBBB)

240 Yes, by all means, call for #163 to get cleaned up - rather than argued against. Go ahead and act as Media Matters' censorship patrol.

Obama is black, true; worse, he chose to be black. Blacks are overwhelmingly of the opinion that they need free stuff and that it should be whites paying for it. If it were just the white vote in 2008, we'd be living out a McCain / Palin administration - not great, and still quite socialist, but MUCH better than what we got now. So, that much, #163 got right.

Still, eventually the whites would be corrupted too. It's already happening (Murray, "Coming Apart"). White corruption is what brought democracy, and Labour, and the NHS, and failure to my home country Great Britain. THAT's where you stand to shoot down comments like #163.

It begins and ends with democracy, the one political system of antiquity which proved itself a failure everywhere it was tried.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at June 28, 2012 07:52 PM (QTHTd)

241 Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:47 PM (ogWsV)

It's nice to know in a topsy-turvey world where John Roberts upholds ObamaCare there are constants like you being an ass.

The point, I don't want "repeal" to be held up for months while they figure out what "replace" is going to be. Mostly I don't want any "replace" but that's a different matter.

The bottom line is we've tried rewarding and cajoling the GOP. It's time for some people to try the stick approach.

The GOP is deathly afraid of losing swing voters, it's time they fear their base more.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 07:52 PM (sPao2)

242 209 "I'm pretty sure I'll be equally as thrilled if Romney repeals Obamacare on Day 30 as would be if he did it on Day 1."

We want the House to repeal it on Day 1.

The Senate sucks, we all know that.

But Romney can also issue EOs on Day 1 to effectively repeal the most objectionable parts of the bill

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 07:52 PM (B/yDO)

243 I'm going to bed. Again. Today sucks.

Posted by: kanyewest at June 28, 2012 07:52 PM (Bxhv2)

244 Amen, Drew.

Posted by: PJ at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (DQHjw)

245 >>>Remember those days back when DrewM was a mostly rational guy instead of a ranting lunatic?

Looks like his Romney Derangement Syndrome was more severe than I thought.


Yeah, it's kind of....disconcerting. Like watching a friend suddenly fall victim to dementia. On the other hand it's worth pointing out that The Obama Years have driven a lot of good men to the edge of sanity. Me, I'm just a Zen master by comparison.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (ogWsV)

246 >>>we HAVE to have an idea for replacing obamatax...if not, a LARGE part of
the electorate

I'm getting to where I don't care about them anymore. If the US doesn't want to wake up and be free at this point it doesn't deserve to be.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (0q2P7)

247 Jeez.

Don't blame the GOP. They fought O-care tooth and nail. Not a one of them voted for it.

The thing that annoys the hell out of me about all this "last chance GOP" stuff is that in a two party system the result of that is more Democrats in office. I heard this same shit in 2006 after 6 years of W and Mark Foley and all the spending the Administration forced them into. And what did we get? Nancy Pelosi as speaker. Then in 2008, Bush fatigue gave Obama the supermajority Senate.

Fight your ideological battle in the primary, but after that line up to beat a Democrat. I figure all we needed to beat back ACA in the House was 4 more GOP members in 2009 (maybe not even that many.) It never would have come to today's ruling. Sometimes holding your nose has its benefits.

Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (gT3jF)

248 I'm pissed that Roberts cost me a grand, and worse, to effin Romney.

I had plans for that money, Grand Moff Roberts, I.HAD.PLANS!

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 07:53 PM (QupBk)

249 Don't worry about waiting lists. There are alternatives.

Posted by: Psychic Surgeon at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (IoNBC)

250 Marybeth,

The July 9 vote puts a stake in the ground and forces Harry Reid to again squelch a vote in the Senate on what the House passes, just like (IIRC) he did after the passage of HR 26, thus giving every Republican candidate for the Senate a talking point.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (OL4L4)

251 At this point I'd rather have Santorum vs Obama.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (caAEA)

252 @226

i'm wondering where all the rational co-bloggers have gone, myself.

NEVER see monty or dave anymore, maet doesn't seem to post on anything substantial, gabe barely peeps in for the morning...i guess CAC has been getting pretty busy with the Hot New Thing, but still.

there's been an increasing onslaught of Angry Little Man posts here that sort of contradict the philosophy of ace himself, at least in my opinion.

this is supposed to be the "smart" blog. some of the hissy fits -- or, worse, some of the hypocritical behaviour that the cobloggers/sidebar-posters would decry if mirrored on the left -- really detract from the intellectual tenor (and meta-tenor, haha) of the posts on ace-lite days. :/

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (79EF9)

253 Since when did New Orleans get a friggin basketball team?

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (sw9Gv)

254 Anyone that hasn't tried it yet, go ahead and get drunk. I'm in a much better frame of mind. Sure, the problems will remain, but I've got a nice buzz.

YMMV

Posted by: DC in Towson at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (N/WI2)

255 Romney will issue EOs on day 1 to grant waivers to the states. He can't repeal it on day one, obviously.

Posted by: Denny at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (C8FUI)

256
So will slug pellets.

You have to be a Fucking Scumbag to suggest giving a dog heavy metal poisoning..

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 07:54 PM (BIRhA)

257 Wanna get pissed...listen to Levin...en fuego! Roberts is a total douche...and a fool!

Posted by: rukiddingme? at June 28, 2012 07:55 PM (MbeEN)

258 Rafa Nadal loses to some nobody at Wimbledon.
Makes my day even crappier.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 07:55 PM (C8mVl)

259 Well, fuck. That ribeye aint gonna cook and eat itself. Plus, it smells like vajayjay 'round here.

Posted by: Spicy Meatball at June 28, 2012 07:55 PM (mxnUd)

260 I am feeling utterly fatalistic at this point. We are asking a group of narcissistic leopards to change their spots. We will never regain the rights and freedoms we have lost. At least not until the tree of Liberty is watered again. Blah

Posted by: Gregc at June 28, 2012 07:56 PM (qYmZU)

261 While it's probably already been said, many times, may ways--Hear, Hear!

Posted by: jwpaine at June 28, 2012 07:56 PM (FUozQ)

262 Drew. Hats off. You nailed it.

Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2012 07:56 PM (hiMsy)

263
The aim of the new Constitution would be to disenfranchise everyone on Federal public assistance or employment, with exceptions for veteran service. Boulder Toilet Hobo

I like the premise in Heinlein's book, Starship Troopers, that gives the franchise to honorably discharged veterans only on the premise that these individuals had demonstrated that they put the good of the society before themselves.

Every man, woman, or other had the right to volunteer for the service.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 07:57 PM (jts1f)

264
>>To all those pundits that are twisting themselves into pretzels to make this sound like a win for the good side, I say f**k you<<

...but, but John "Maverick" Roberts saved us from allowing the Dems to bastardize the commerce clause to force us to engage in any activity the government wants us to.

We dodged the fucking bullet there, didn't we?

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 07:57 PM (Yhu4q)

265 232
Pass the repeal now, Harry wont let it near the floor of the Senate.
Have someone ask Clair, Nelson, Tebin, Tester, etc if they will vote for
it at every whistlestop.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 07:51 PM (46qC3)
This is the next and most important step. We've been given sort of a gift today, with an election right around the corner, to make it a lot easier to drive some of these Dems out of the Senate.
This

Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 07:57 PM (gT3jF)

266 >>>It's nice to know in a topsy-turvey world where John Roberts upholds ObamaCare there are constants like you being an ass.

The
point, I don't want "repeal" to be held up for months while they figure
out what "replace" is going to be. Mostly I don't want any "replace"
but that's a different matter.


Okay, this actually makes a lot more sense. Fair enough. I disagree, though. The fact that you don't want any "replace" (regardless of what it is) whatsoever comes across as knee-jerk foolishness, especially because everybody here on the Right seems to convenient forget just how utterly fucked-up and broken the healthcare system was before Obamacare made it 20 times worse. Furthermore, as a political matter we DAMN WELL BETTER be able to go to the masses -- and not just "swing voters" but big segments of the "base" as well, or else they'll soon start becoming "swing voters" -- and say "hey, we're doing [X], that's a better answer!" Nobody wants some massive government plan, but portability and/or tort reform would be a great start. Shit, I'd love to unmoor health care from employer system altogether, but me, I'm a radical in that sense.

Oh, and c'mon Drew: if I'm not around making an ass of myself, this blog would probably spin off its fucking axis. I'm the ballast for the Moron Ship of Fools here. Y'all would tip over sideways if not for me!

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (ogWsV)

267 Lots of eyeores around it seems.

Oh well....

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (sw9Gv)

268 Bad enough day, I turn on Fox and Meghan $@^*% Kelly is giving me the "take the good with the bad" speech and how this is how democracy works, blah,blah.... Between Ted Baxters' puddle deep understanding of any subject and constant shoving in my face with Blechel and Williams, Fox is becoming unwatchable. Oh yeah, Shep Smith is the villiage idiot and John "Stupak" Roberts is a man(?) of low character who will die friendless and mocked by his liberal critics whose approval he so craved. Feel better now.

Posted by: old glazier at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (Iz6HE)

269 It maybe ineffectual but I will do whatever I can, large and small, to destroy the GOP if they don't get this done on Day 1.We've been fighting this battle for 30 years to move the party.

Postd by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 07:40 PM (sPao2)

I hear you. I've been actively involved in that fight for half of those years. But I always fall back on my favorite Milton Friedman quote:

"The same Congressman will vote for a different thing if he feels it’s politically profitable….The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things."
http://tinyurl.com/7kkmtyr

If we don’t have the party we want, it’s our fault. The Dems face the same equation, it’s just easier for them: Promise that government will do more. Always. Forever. I could run on that every two years and win.

The GOP, has to fight that tide and then turn the ship around. We need to convince a LOT more Americans of that before we’re going to get politicians lining up to do our bidding.

We'll get the GOP we want when we make it politically profitable for them do as we wish. You don't get that by exiting the game, you get that by winning the battle of ideas. We're getting there. This court ruling means nothing in regards to that.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (9KqcB)

270 Not a good day. I just cannot fathom what is in Roberts' head.

Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (P6QsQ)

271 I know we're all in a complaining mood right now, but what are we going to do about it.

As for me, two weeks ago, I walked a precinct in Sparks, NV (northern edge of Reno,) handing out literature for Romney, Sen Dean Heller, and Rep Mark Amodei.

This weekend, I'll either work on a targeted registration project to get more Republicans registered or walk a precinct for Sen Heller.

I'm also working to recruit precinct captains in precincts in Southeast Reno.

What are the rest of you doing?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (OL4L4)

272 @234

well, the story about free-market heath-care always sounds nice until you account for all the free-loaders who are NOT going to turned away by ER doctors, especially given that most hospitals are nonprofit institutions not primarily concerned with profit margins.

it's tough to have a well-functioning free market when you have consumers who are unwilling to actually exchange anything for the healthcare they receive...presumably at the expense of consumers who DO pay.

the insurance-medical "complex" has problems uniquely associated with the mutual interplay between the two sectors; e.g., HMO pressure to maximise patient QUANTITY with the inevitable reduction in doctor-visit quality. i agree that opening insurance up to interstate competition is a HUGE step in the right direction...i made the point myself.

i just don't think it's enough -- and no, before you ask, i don't really have many answers. just pontificating from the armchair, here.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (79EF9)

273
"258Wanna get pissed...listen to Levin...en fuego! Roberts is a total douche...and a fool!"

Levin never minces words.

Would that our politicians had 1/10 of his guts. AND he backs it up with action - his Landmark Legal Foundation.

He reminds me of my dad (may he rest in peace.)

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (Ks0w4)

274
Sent in the $$ for Romney last week and have stickers on the cars. Now it is time to cough up a bit for George Allen in Virginia.

Allen sometimes gets a bad rap, but I remember when he was governor he took on the EPA in the Clinton Administration and won. Sounds like a fight we need to do on a national level now.

His opponent is Tim Kaine, former DNC Chair when the Obamacare nightmare was being passed. Never forget that.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (l3vZN)

275 Hello everyone. I won't ask how everyone is doing on this dark day.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (R5yLq)

276 >>Now would be a bad time to mention the Pizza Margarita I just slipped into the oven, wouldn't it?

Lol.

At least they didn't break in and steal my bacon, right? I can just skip the whole "BLT" concept and eat it straight off the pan.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (hO8IJ)

277
Supreme Court nominations really have proven to be exceptionally tricky for Republican Presidents. The vetting process definitely needs an overhaul. Help me fellow morons, give me your suggestions for the metrics to be used in making future nominations.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (jN/Z/)

278 Can the government fine us if we use 'too much' healthcare?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (caAEA)

279 @HeatherRadish...sorry to hear about your tomatoes.

Posted by: CanaDave at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (OZfrM)

280 Laura Ingraham is filling in for Bill O. So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (UOM48)

281
Oh, and c'mon Drew: if I'm not around making an ass of myself, this blog would probably spin off its fucking axis. I'm the ballast for the Moron Ship of Fools here. Y'all would tip over sideways if not for me!

What do you say we give it a try for 6 months and see what happens?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (BIRhA)

282 To give the Republicans an idea of what things might be like in their future, I would suggest that conservative voters in states that Obama is guaranteed to carry (CA, IL, NY, eg) either leave the presidential box unchecked, or vote for some third party candidate. Vote for other offices as you normally would. It won't effect the outcome of the electoral college, but will give the house and senate candidates an idea of what "this is your last chance" really means.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (nZvGM)

283 Fact of Life: They score touchdowns while we are lucky to get field goals.

Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (HtUdo)

284 Make sure your passport is current. It is a vital component in obtaining affordable quality healthcare now that the only free markets are in foreign nations.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (kcfmt)

285 Supreme Court nominations really have proven to be
exceptionally tricky for Republican Presidents. The vetting process
definitely needs an overhaul. Help me fellow morons, give me your
suggestions for the metrics to be used in making future nominations.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (jN/Z/)

Hates Washington D.C, social life, and cocktail parties. Likes killing animals with powerful weapons.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (z1N6a)

286
At least they didn't break in and steal my bacon, right? I can just skip the whole "BLT" concept and eat it straight off the pan.

Low Carbs!

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (BIRhA)

287 Screw this last chance thing, I know how this is going down, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

The good news is there's lots of high paying jobs in Australia if you got skilz, and it seems like a pretty decent place generally, with an economic outlook vastly superior to the shit storm that's going to hit the USA no matter who gets elected. Australia is a country that's not afraid to exploit its natural resources.

I just passed the online Australian citizenship practice test on the first go. It takes 4 years of residency before you can apply, and the fees are nominal.

Like the song says, you gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (Qnu0v)

288 268
Lots of eyeores around it seems.

Oh well....


Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (sw9Gv)

Boy, that's no kidding.

Posted by: me at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (4TRll)

289
"266
Pass the repeal now, Harry wont let it near the floor of the Senate.
Have someone ask Clair, Nelson, Tebin, Tester, etc if they will vote for
it at every whistlestop."

Would you put it past them to lie about it? They're not that stupid.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (Ks0w4)

290 >>>well, the story about free-market heath-care always sounds nice until
you account for all the free-loaders who are NOT going to turned away by
ER doctors, especially given that most hospitals are nonprofit
institutions not primarily concerned with profit margins.



it's tough to have a well-functioning free market when you have
consumers who are unwilling to actually exchange anything for the
healthcare they receive...presumably at the expense of consumers who DO
pay.


You know who's fault this REALLY is? Ronald fuckin' Reagan's, that's who. Goddamned EMTALA, it all begins with him signing that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (ogWsV)

291
254Since when did New Orleans get a friggin basketball team?

Since about 10 years ago.
Except for the two years after Katrina, when they were in OKC.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (0T8H7)

292 >>free-market heath-care always sounds nice until you account for all the free-loaders

They account for about 5% of expenditures. Surely we could have found a solution for that without fucking over everyone who pays their bills (or gets their bills paid by the government already).

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (hO8IJ)

293 Fact of Life: They score touchdowns while we are lucky to get field goals.

Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.


Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (HtUdo)

Soccer metaphors are ManCard violations.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (z1N6a)

294 >>>What do you say we give it a try for 6 months and see what happens?

Don't worry, son, pretty soon you'll all have as long as you want and more.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (ogWsV)

295 Can the government fine us if we use 'too much' healthcare?

Yes, as long as it's a tax, not a fine.

Posted by: CJ Roberts at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (HtUdo)

296 Who gives a s** about Obamacare?

As a three time Medal of Honor winner who has been awarded 32 Purple Hearts and also was the army's only Seven-Star General, I applaud the SCOTUS decision in United States v. Alvarez.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (tLVmI)

297 The real problem is the disconnect for many conservatives. We are loyal to the Constitution and to the principles of the Founding.

When things like this occur, the tie becomes frayed. We start to realize that there is no sense in loyalty to the Constitution when that document is no longer the supreme law of the land.

What Obama and his fellow marxist criminals are doing is disconnecting the conservative citizens from the nation itself - as they see it. Because the Left views the Country itself as the Federal Government - and thus believes that under a conservative administration, the nation is illegitimate. They already are disloyal. They're forcing us to feel defeat and alienation from our national identity because they do not believe that conservatives are human beings. We're subhumans to them, so they don't care that they're torching the Constitution they hate anyway. What can a bunch of "rednecks" and the like do to them? We're just monkeys with cowboy hats in their eyes.

They don't understand that if more than half of the US no longer believes that they live IN the US anymore and are free people, that conflict and dissolution is inevitable.

Conservative thought and culture binds multitudes of different people together. Pull that away and you have warring tribes with State flags.

Should be familiar. It's how the Democrats started the Civil War the first time. Alienation and disconnection to the founding = war.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (5mx3x)

298 Did I mention I actually know how the game of Cricket is played and scored? Cricket is big in Australia and India.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (Qnu0v)

299 Can the government fine us if we use 'too much' healthcare?

Yes, as long as it's a tax, not a fine.
----

No joke.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (caAEA)

300 "But good lucking convincing about 30% of our party that Obamacare takes priority over gay marriage."

Obamacare funds abortions. You think us SoCons aren't going to dance on its grave? Think again, spanky.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (ZMzpb)

301 We've had a bad 60 years. A few good days, mind you, but mostly downhill.

We've had a bad 209 years. Marbury vs. Madison was the beginning of the end.

My point is that we cannot just say "the GOP is bad." We have allowed it to get into this state by not policing the candidates. Someone above mentioned the platform committees. That's a waste of time. We're not governed by platforms. Platforms don't write, sign, or interpret legislation. We need Republican candidates we can rely on. They're the only conduit to power we have.

Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (Y1c/9)

302 Should be familiar. It's how the Democrats started
the Civil War the first time. Alienation and disconnection to the
founding = war.



Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (5mx3x)

I thought the cannons firing on Ft Sumter did that.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (z1N6a)

303 I'm getting to where I don't care about them anymore. If the US doesn't
want to wake up and be free at this point it doesn't deserve to be.


It took roughly 90 years to get us to the point we're at now; it's not going to be reversed in 90 hours, days or even months. Certainly not in the course of a single election. And there's nothing the GOP can do about it.

For all the bitching (in many cases, completely justified) we do about the GOP and Washington Insider Elites, the problem lies in our own collective mirrors. Why are they talking about "repeal and replace" instead of just "repeal"? Because they answer to an electorate that wants something done about our health care system, which few believe can't stand improvement.

Why do these politicians cower at the mention of entitlement reform despite the impending Doom? Because of the voters who put them in office. It's easy to say "just do the right thing and don't worry about re-election", but what then? They get replaced by liberals who turn around and undo whatever they did.

Ranting at the GOP as if they were some all powerful cabal only lacking will to wave their magic wand to fulfill our demands is short sighted and ignorant of reality. Change isn't going to come from the top down, it will only come from the bottom up, and that will take time. Lots of it.

Definitely keep on their assess about spending and the like, but in the end it'll be voters who change the minds of politicians, not politicians who change the minds of voters.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (SY2Kh)

304 Soccer metaphors are ManCard violations.


Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (z1N6a)


Hockey metaphor. Only democrats like watching soccer.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (HtUdo)

305 Can the government fine us if we use 'too much' healthcare?

Yea, the penalty is death due to treatment rationing.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (Qnu0v)

306 So glad I restocked the alcohol supply all up in this piece.

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (TgZVh)

307 @278

fucking the media. it's got to be down to the coverage...R's are no more susceptible to public disapproval of judicial-appointment stonewalling than D's, but fucking the media is so quick to make D stonewalling seem heroic and R stonewalling seem unreasonably obstructionist.

what we've learned...what *i* have learned, at least...this cycle about the general informational consciousness of the american electorate leads me to believe that the vast majority of american voters really DO largely believe the conventional media framing of political disputes.

at least they're finally dying off. the media, i mean. >.>

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (79EF9)

308 @ 113.
No you're right. We need to remember that if we play ball we can negotiate for a little felt on those shackles, maybe some burlap if money is tight. But at least the GOP can make sure they don't chafe our ankles too much.
No you are absolutely fucking right--we need to get with the program and support the GOP because a slow enslavement spread over a few years is far better than the auction block we got today.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (kSaUf)

309 303
Nothing would have happened if the Democrats hadn't considered the Constitution a dead letter. Fort Sumter was the sneeze. Democrats were the virus.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 08:06 PM (5mx3x)

310 Obamacare funds abortions. You think us SoCons aren't going to dance on its grave? Think again, spanky.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (ZMzpb)

There's always a reason to distance yourself from the base of the party. The most amusing is when the so-called economic libertarians flee the Tea Party because some go to church on Sunday.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:06 PM (z1N6a)

311 Can the government fine us if we use 'too much' healthcare?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:00 PM (caAEA)

Not your call...the gubmint will decide what and how much health care you receive...therein lies the rub

Posted by: rukiddingme? at June 28, 2012 08:07 PM (MbeEN)

312 #293

The government now has the power to force us to buy anything it wants us to buy. Stuck came home tonight and said I watched the country I love die today. It broke my heart.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:07 PM (R5yLq)

313 When was the last time a Donk Prez had a Supreme Justice backfire on him?

Kennedy?
Truman?

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (B/yDO)

314 New from Popeil! The Ronco Cancer Magician!

Posted by: Slapchop Guy at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (IoNBC)

315 Can't the House of Representatives simply defund Obamacare? What the fuck is the point of having the government purse strings if you never yank them?

Posted by: Allahp*ssy at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (ZETiK)

316 Hockey metaphor. Only democrats like watching soccer.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (HtUdo)

You obviously didn't read sports news websites during the Tim Thomas episode.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (BBlzg)

317 205 "Hockey metaphor. Only democrats like watching soccer."

Does that make me a PUMA artificially inflating O's numbers in those polls just to crush him on 11/6?

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (B/yDO)

318 I'm with the idiots who say don't do anything, especially threaten the Republican Party since everything is peachy. I'm sure, without pressure and threats, the republican establishment will do the right thing as they shown over and over. So lets all bend over and get ass-fucked like the good little bitches we are, for America.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (I/Xad)

319 When was the last time a Donk Prez had a Supreme Justice backfire on him?

Kennedy?
Truman?


Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (B/yDO)
Probably FDR just before the Packed the Courts.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (z1N6a)

320 In other news, Ann Curry left the Today Show in tears today.

Liberal loons everywhere are weeping.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (UOM48)

321 Not a good day. I just cannot fathom what is in Roberts' head.
Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 07:59 PM (P6QsQ)


1) If he had voted with Scalia, Thomas, et al, MSM would have called the court political and the SCOAMF would have had a club to beat them with.

2) Got the liberals to put the brakes on expansion of the Commerce Clause to justify anything and everything (which the Conservatives were also ready to do,) which now takes that ruling out of the political realm

3) Reconstitutes the "penalty" as a tax, which furthers the description of Democrats as the tax and spend party

Sure, this now theoretically means that if you have enough votes, you can tax anything, but realistically, how likely is that?

Would Harry Reid have been able to get 60 votes to get cloture if the Obamacare bill had called it a tax?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (OL4L4)

322 The government now has the power to force us to buy anything it wants us to buy. Stuck came home tonight and said I watched the country I love die today. It broke my heart.
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:07 PM (R5yLq)


I hope you like broccoli. And electric cars. And being in a union.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (bxiXv)

323 294
Fact of Life: They score touchdowns while we are lucky to get field goals.

Yeah, but this was more like an own goal.




Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:01 PM (HtUdo)

Soccer metaphors are ManCard violations.


Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:02 PM (z1N6a)

I know the metaphor you want.

Posted by: Jim Marshall at June 28, 2012 08:10 PM (TgZVh)

324 I watched the country I love die today.

That's why I've been furiously researching suitable alternatives today. America has crossed the Rubicon.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:10 PM (Qnu0v)

325
I'm with the idiots who say don't do anything, especially threaten the
Republican Party since everything is peachy. I'm sure, without pressure
and threats, the republican establishment will do the right thing as
they shown over and over. So lets all bend over and get ass-fucked like
the good little bitches we are, for America.


Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (I/Xad)

Ineffectual threats are a waste. Putting in good candidates can work, going off to nowhere never can.Wasn't "Purity" a bad word around here just a few weeks ago?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:10 PM (z1N6a)

326
My current Facebook post....


I once gave a speach to a history class (I was invited as a Vet) where I told them that history is somthing that happens while you are just trying to get through your life... Cold War, Lebanon, Desert Storm... they were just part of my life.... and Now I see history playing out around me, as the Republic that I and my ancestors fought for, is destroyed... where Freedom is given away in the name of Saftey... and the Government has no checks on its power, at all. Sad day IMO.

Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (lZBBB)

327 What the fuck is the point of having the government purse strings if you never yank them?
Posted by: Allahp*ssy at June 28, 2012 08:08 PM (ZETiK)


Prestige! Pensions! Junkets!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (bxiXv)

328 @heather

well, assuming medicare/medicaid fraud, overprescription, and and doctor-shopping on gov't payouts are considered part of "free-loading", the amount of waste that is incentivised by the current systems of reimbursement "or lack thereof" is a lot higher than 5% of spending, and probably can't even be reliably estimated.

i did focus on the totally uninsured in emergency rooms, but i should have been more clear about waste in total...you know, the whole reason that a lot of doctors won't take medicaid at all is because the gov't have a less-than-stellar track record on reimbursements...i think i read somewhere that some institutions are lucky for 50% of medicaid claims to get paid.

so all of these leeches over-using their medicaid to doctor-shop for more pills or just ER-surf to entertain themselves in an otherwise uneventful life are contributing to medical-spending waste that is not immediately easy to see.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (79EF9)

329 Someone above mentioned the platform committees. That's a waste of time. We're not governed by platforms. Platforms don't write, sign, or interpret legislation. We need Republican candidates we can rely on. They're the only conduit to power we have.
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 08:04 PM (Y1c/9)

Just to be clear, in case you were referring to my post, I spoke of the importance of getting on your county GOP committee. They are the ones who endorse candidates. Get on one. Now.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (9KqcB)

330 Wow. Bill O (from an undisclosed vacation location) just went nuclear on Obamacare and Fast and Furious with Laura Ingraham.

Finally.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (UOM48)

331 270 CJ

"We'll get the GOP we want when we make it politically profitable for them do as we wish."

As if tax paying citizens can "make" it profitable, politically or economically, to force corrupt politicians who hold the federal tax purse strings and the full force of the federal government to forfeit easy pickings and halt authoritarian abuses of power.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (BAnPT)

332 305

I must be an outlier.
I am a teacher.
I've lived in Europe (well, England).
I practically have a Ph.D. and live in a university town.
I LOVE soccer (real football).
I am conservative.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (ZUg4j)

333 Just heard on NPR that Obama Admin gave China 6 month reprieve on buying oil from Iran.

WTF!!?!?!?!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/28/us-usa-iran-sanctions-china-idUSBRE85R16L20120628


Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (mO2XR)

334
free-market heath-care always sounds nice until you account for all the free-loaders

They account for about 5% of expenditures. Surely we could have found a solution for that without fucking over everyone who pays their bills (or gets their bills paid by the government already).
-----
I thought they were AREADY accounted for in the fact that if a hospital provides the care for free they get to pay no taxes, and the goverment will probably even foot the bill. So no solution needed n that. It was solved.

Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (iYvMQ)

335 78 Some of you may be too young to recall how many of us held our noses and voted for Bush in 2000. "For the judges, if nothing else" was the rallying call. Lots of us fell for it.

Today, we got ass-raped by one of those blessed Bush judges. And in a ruling so awful that it actually outraged Anthony Kennedy. ANTHONY. FREAKING. KENNEDY!!!!!



Roberts is responsible for his own behavior. As for why he voted the way he did, I think he feels intimidated by the liberals' charges of activism and, in turn, believes he has an obligation to protect the Court's reputation. (Which the Constitution should always take precedence over reputation.) Otherwise, I am at a loss as to why he would reject so many of the Administration's arguments only to twist himself into a pretzel on the tax vs. penalty issue.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)

336 Got the liberals to put the brakes on expansion of the Commerce Clause

Applying the brakes once you've driven off a cliff is kinda pointless.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (Qnu0v)

337 Posted by: Kasper Hauser at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (tLVmI)


As the Nine Star COMSUBPAC leader, I commend you on your commendations and further commend you on the other things you talked about as well.

I look forward to connecting with you on LinkedInso that we can, together, make a difference.

Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (Vzm9f)

338 I'm with Drew on this. GOP grow a pair or be replaced.
I won't give you another F-ing dime unless you grow a pair.

Fire firefighter/medic. Now a flight nurse sup.

Posted by: Medic/vet at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (jBsSU)

339 Would Harry Reid have been able to get 60 votes to get cloture if the Obamacare bill had called it a tax?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (OL4L4)

--------
No. But how does that change anything now? The horse has already left the barn.

Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (P6QsQ)

340 Hockey metaphor. Only democrats like watching soccer.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 28, 2012 08:05 PM (HtUdo)

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (ZUg4j)

People who haven't played it don't understand it, so I give them a pass. But their ignorance is on the same lvl as a democrat voter.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 08:13 PM (mO2XR)

341 I like Drew's approach.. Yeah we had a set back today. But November is the key and always was.. Now we run against the biggest spender AND the biggest TAXER of all time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 08:13 PM (eoFv8)

342 #323

I don't like any of those things Merovign but I no longer have a choice. We all lost that freedom today.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:13 PM (R5yLq)

343 I can't coexist with the hippies and other slimy marxists. It's not a viable outcome nor is it reasonable to expect that anymore. And I won't.

Back home there's a saying. "I wouldn't cross the street to piss on their ass if their guts were on fire." I think that's about the nicest comment I can ever make about any Leftist for the rest of my natural life.

Division is permanent. There is no redemption for them, ever. It's up to us to determine how it plays out over the next generation. Let's pray it goes more calmly than it generally turns out.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 08:14 PM (5mx3x)

344 Would Harry Reid have been able to get 60 votes to get cloture if the Obamacare bill had called it a tax?
He won't have to call it a tax. They can let SCOTUS do that after the fact. The 52% won't grasp the nuances and will fall for it again and again. Obamacare, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Mayday at June 28, 2012 08:14 PM (F3s39)

345 Did I mention I actually know how the game of Cricket is played and scored? Cricket is big in Australia and India.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (Qnu0v)

I enjoy Cricket too. However, I'm wondering where people could reasonably move that would be freer than here.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (BBlzg)

346 337 Got the liberals to put the brakes on expansion of the Commerce Clause

He put the brakes on that and removed the governor on the accelerator to Tax. Pull your head out your ass.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (mO2XR)

347 341 cajun carrot

Are you male and single?

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (ZUg4j)

348 >>If he had voted with Scalia, Thomas, et al, MSM would have called the
court political and the SCOAMF would have had a club to beat them with.

That shouldn't ever have been a consideration. The ruling should have been only about the law and the Constitution.

(And someone should have loved me when I was young, and I should have gotten a unicorn for Christmas when I was eight, I know, I know.)

And SCOAMT already hated them, and lied about them to their faces during that one SOTU, to score political points...this won't change his opinion or the way he operates one bit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (hO8IJ)

349
Now that thats out of the way. We're going to need that 401k. Something came up.
Oh, and join a union so I don't haff ta tax you for not.

Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (iYvMQ)

350 i'm redc1c4, and i approve this message.


Posted by: redc1c4 at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (8MasJ)

351 You want to reduce health care costs? Get rid of illegal aliens, they don't pay for shit.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (I/Xad)

352 @335

if only it were so!, but as it is, the gov't doesn't even fully reimburse medicaid claims, MUCH LESS pick up any additional costs of treating the uninsured -- at least as i have read it in the past.

i admittedly don't have ANY experience at all in how health-care works in practise, as a general disclaimer. i can only repeat opinions and "facts" i have read second-hand!

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (79EF9)

353 Roberts is responsible for his own behavior. As for
why he voted the way he did, I think he feels intimidated by the
liberals' charges of activism and, in turn, believes he has an
obligation to protect the Court's reputation. (Which the Constitution
should always take precedence over reputation.) Otherwise, I am
at a loss as to why he would reject so many of the Administration's
arguments only to twist himself into a pretzel on the tax vs. penalty
issue.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)

Don't really care why he did. If there are parts of the judgement we can use as a weapon, use em. The rest, throw out.The Republicans in 1857 told Taney to pound sand when he judged their entire platform unconstitutional. They won.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (z1N6a)

354 A republic, if you can keep it.

Everything that happens between now and 11/6/12 will determine if we keep it.

In about 3 hours today, a bunch of us donated money towards keeping it. Without any stupid, creepy emails.

Posted by: Carville's Worst Nightmare at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (8J9h2)

355
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:09 PM (OL4L4)
Is Obamacare Constitutional or not? That is the question. If it is, then John Roberts was wrong. He isn't there to play political games. He isn't Karl Rove or David Axelrod. Forgive me for being hoplessly naive, but I am still clinging to this idea that Roberts was sworn in to defend the Constitution, and nothing else.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (cbNaC)

356 Weird scenes inside the gold mine...

Posted by: The End at June 28, 2012 08:16 PM (ZETiK)

357 100% agreed.

Posted by: jocon307 at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (bbVJG)

358 believes he has an obligation to protect the Court's reputation.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)


Epic fail.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (bxiXv)

359
Clemenza

National
Secure borders
Repeal Obamacare / ACA
Defund Dept of Education
Bill defining CO2 as non pollutant and not to be controlled by EPA
Replace TSA with Airport controlled private screeners

Minnesota
Stand your ground bill
Wisconsin Reforms

My $0.02

Posted by: rd at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (9sUlj)

360 Just to be clear, in case you were referring to my post, I spoke of the importance of getting on your county GOP committee. They are the ones who endorse candidates. Get on one. Now.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (9KqcB)


That's what the Ronulans did, except their only goal was to support Luap Nor.

We have to do it at all levels to really make changes.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (OL4L4)

361 Did I mention I actually know how the game of Cricket is played and scored? Cricket is big in Australia and India.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:03 PM (Qnu0v)



I enjoy Cricket too. However, I'm wondering where people could reasonably move that would be freer than here.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (BBlzg)

Aussie Rules Football is a nice sport.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (z1N6a)

362 Could we please stop calling our Jackass in Chief a failure and a fool.
He is none of those. In this ruling he has hit a home run. He has been swinging for the fences his whole \presidency. His batting average may not be great but he has done what he set out to do; fundamentally changed America.


He is not a fool but he is a socialist and a dirtbag.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (FU9ql)

363 >>People who haven't played it don't understand it, so I give them a pass.
But their ignorance is on the same lvl as a democrat voter.

I'm not ignorant of soccer, I've been streaming a lot of Bayern and Deutschland games lately, but in this country it's something little girls do so their mothers can meet other mothers to drink with.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (hO8IJ)

364 305 I must be an outlier. I am a teacher. I've lived in Europe (well, England). I practically have a Ph.D. and live in a university town. I LOVE soccer (real football). I am conservative.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (ZUg4j)

Don't try to argue too hard with some folks here on soccer. Even if you are a hardcore right winger, if you like Soccer, your "Ghey" to them.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:18 PM (BBlzg)

365 The fact that you don't want any "replace" (regardless of what it is)
whatsoever comes across as knee-jerk foolishness, especially because
everybody here on the Right seems to convenient forget just how utterly fucked-up and broken the healthcare system was before Obamacare made it 20 times worse.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 07:58 PM (ogWsV)


Here's the thing....I'm a conservative. I don't think a massive federally designed health plan, whether in one big shot or a bunch of smaller bills that will inevitably grow is a proper function of the national government.

YMMV.

There's also a practical objection. You may not have noticed but when the federal government creates massive wealth transfer entitlements, things don't go well.

So no, I'm not up for an economy busting, freedom sapping, quality reducing replacement.

You want my "replace" program? Here you go:

1- Do away with the tax advantages of employer programs

2- Allow for sales across state lines.

And.....scene.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 28, 2012 08:18 PM (sPao2)

366 >>As for why he voted the way he did, I think he feels intimidated by the
liberals' charges of activism and, in turn, believes he has an
obligation to protect the Court's reputation<<

Ironic that Roberts engaged in activism to avoid the appearance of activism, no?

...and it's his reputation that he only gives a shit about. There'll be adoring photos of Maverick Roberts on the covers of Time, Newsweek, etc for weeks to come

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 08:18 PM (Yhu4q)

367 365 joe

I assure you, I am not "ghey" or any derivation thereof.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:18 PM (ZUg4j)

368 Now what?

Posted by: JavaJoeX at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (bbk1i)

369 I'm not ignorant of soccer, I've been streaming a
lot of Bayern and Deutschland games lately, but in this country it's
something little girls do so their mothers can meet other mothers to
drink with.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (hO8IJ)


I have played soccer, and it is boring. The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)

370 Division is permanent. There is no redemption for them, ever. It's up to us to determine how it plays out over the next generation. Let'spray it goesmore calmly than it generally turns out.
-----
We don't have an alternative. There is nothing left to fight for. This is a zombie nation.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (caAEA)

371 Scott Walker made a statement today that he will not cooperate with the Federal government in implementing Obamacare in Wisconsin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47999553

Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (P6QsQ)

372
363Could we please stop calling our Jackass in Chief a failure and a fool.
He is none of those. In this ruling he has hit a home run. He has been swinging for the fences his whole \presidency. His batting average may not be great but he has done what he set out to do; fundamentally changed America.

Obama as Mr. October.....let's make sure he ain't Mr. November.

Posted by: Reggie Jackson at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (l3vZN)

373 Why can't we just pass an an amendment limiting the types of situations the Feds can levy a Tax?

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)

374 No. But how does that change anything now? The horse has already left the barn.
Posted by: mama winger at June 28, 2012 08:12 PM (P6QsQ)


I was using an example from the recent past.

It will be a lot harder to pass bills like Obamacare if a tax has to be presented as a tax, and you can't hide behind the Commerce Clause.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (OL4L4)

375 The 401k's. Those are just too much money to entrust to individuals and corporate jet owners. We'll handle it from here. Thanks.

Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (iYvMQ)

376 Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:15 PM (ZUg4j)

Married and got a kid on the way Sorry.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (mO2XR)

377
In order to be a Saint, you must have THREE Miracles.... and I hereby submit Benjamin Franklin for Sainthood!

Miracle 1: Making Lightning Strike where he wanted!

Miracle 2: Using Air Baths (walking around Paris Naked) and Coonskin Caps to get the French on our side during the Revolution! And the French Actualy FOUGHT!

Miracle 3: Prophecy.... 'a Republic Ma'am, if you can keep it'

Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 08:20 PM (lZBBB)

378
believes he has an obligation to protect the Court's reputation.

Then his first step should have been to criticize Kagan last year for not recusing herself.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:20 PM (BIRhA)

379 I am going to write a strongly worded letter to the Supreme Court?

Dunt matter.

Get a crayon and write my congressman?

Wunt matter.

Pitchforks and Torches?

hmm...

Posted by: JavaJoeX at June 28, 2012 08:20 PM (bbk1i)

380 255
Anyone that hasn't tried it yet, go ahead and get drunk. I'm in a much
better frame of mind. Sure, the problems will remain, but I've got a
nice buzz.



YMMV
=====
Not that there is anything else to do but, I still can't recommend this highly enough at this point.
Figure by the ONT you'll need a suit rated for space exploration to wade in.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 08:20 PM (kSaUf)

381 I don't like any of those things Merovign but I no longer have a choice. We all lost that freedom today.
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:13 PM (R5yLq)


Technically we still have some choices. They're just not a Constitutional Right now (some of them - the court weaseled that there were *some* things they couldn't apply the Tax Penalty Trick to... but this slope is slipperier than snot on a hot doorknob).

We went from needing to repeal an abusive law to needing to repeal an abusive law *and* an abusive Supreme Court decision.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (bxiXv)

382 Why can't we just pass an an amendment limiting the types of situations the Feds can levy a Tax?Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)-----They did. - A couple, according to Levin, and neither of them allows for this type of tax..

Posted by: SCoaMF at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (iYvMQ)

383
376The 401k's. Those are just too much money to entrust to individuals and corporate jet owners. We'll handle it from here. Thanks.

this one scares me to death.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (l3vZN)

384 374Why can't we just pass an an amendment limiting the types of situations the Feds can levy a Tax?Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)Its already IN the Constitution. Excise, Imposts, Dutys, capitated Taxes, and INCOME Taxes... That is...What Tax this fits into? I'm trying to figure out.

Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (lZBBB)

385 "We'll get the GOP we want when we make it politically profitable for them do as we wish."As if tax paying citizens can "make" it profitable, politically or economically, to force corrupt politicians who hold the federal tax purse strings and the full force of the federal government to forfeit easy pickings and halt authoritarian abuses of power.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (BAnPT)

"Politically profitable" means the politician calculates what will get him enough votes to be re-elected. That's all the vast majority of them want. They just want to remain in office. If it means spending more tax dollars, they'll do it. If the majority of voters want them to spend fewer tax dollars, they'll do that.

The vast majority of the billions of dollars raised for campaigns goes right back into 30 second spots to win...votes. If you really think the game is rigged to such an extent, then there's nothing to say. About anything. Game over. But don't delude yourself into thinking hidden, sinister forces are keeping us from the conservative GOP we want. It's just us. We haven't won the support of enough Americans, but we're getting there.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (9KqcB)

386 If Roberts was going for the adoration of the MSM and his "Legacy" he should talk to McCain and ask him how that worked out for him?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (eoFv8)

387
356
Meant to say UNconstitutional

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (cbNaC)

388 "In this ruling he has hit a home run."

Only by accident, at best.

Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (Vzm9f)

389 I have played soccer, and it is boring. The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)

There's playacting in every sport and you know that. That's the fault of the player not the sport. I don't like Baseball, but I don't tear down the sport.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:22 PM (BBlzg)

390 The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)

Yes, that part is definitely bringing me away from watching it these days.

GoL w/ Sean Connery narrative is the gold mine of Soccer Film. Soccer on an international lvl has taken a nose dive after the 90's WC in Italy.

And I'm so glad C Ronaldo got butthurt losing to Spain. Captains HAVE GOT TO TAKE THE FIRST PK.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 08:22 PM (mO2XR)

391 #273

In a word, bullshit.

We can deal with the free rider problem. It's just another entitlement issue that needs to be addressed if the nation is not sink under debt. This is why I'm all for burning ti down and letting it be rebuilt from the ground up. Force people to confront the problem instead of allowing them to think of it as an abstract issue being argued far, far away.

Will a bunch of people die for lack of medical intervention? Yep. Guess what? That is going to happen anyway on the course we're following and possibly on a greater scale.

The confrontation has to happen. This isn't a self-contained issue. The free rider issue in my part of the country is really an illegal immigration issue. Make the swelling Latino voter base deal with the fact they can have ERs open throughout LA County or they can have their entire extended family smuggled in. They cannot have both. One breaks the other.

This is why the GOP is a failure. Instead of embracing the image of the parent who can say no, they've become obsessed with wanting to be loved. Those who've successfully bred and raised humans to functional adulthood know they cannot make it there without the kid claiming to hate them occasionally, especially in the teen years. Pleasant? No. Necessary? Extremely. There are a few exceptional kids but most need some attitude adjustment before the job is done.

A critical issue is to confront the nonsensical belief that medical care is somehow different than other goods and services. It isn't. The more the government gets involved the more broken the business gets. Imagine what a desktop computer would cost if that business suffered as much government interference as healthcare. There probably wouldn't be such a thing as a desktop PC, for starters. What government bureaucrat would perceive a need for such?

When government hands out candy it is guaranteed to turn out to be stuff you'd never buy with your own money and a choice. The people who line up for a free dollop of mediocrity drag down many others with them. The law needs to change to free us of this.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 08:23 PM (kcfmt)

392
The "Death to the GOP" meme is conditional. If we win them the reins of power and they fail to honor their mandate again, THEN the GOP, as we know it, must be dismantled and replaced with something else.

Given the growing Tea Party influence that seems unlikely, but I, for one, fear how deep the rot may go already, or that the social conservatives will drag them off message again. THIS election is not about gay marriage or contraception.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 08:23 PM (jts1f)

393 Wow, did DrewM finally wake up? COOL.

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2012 08:23 PM (/7gN/)

394 364 " I've been streaming a lot of Bayern and Deutschland game"

Woman after my own heart.

That result today did NOT help me get over this morning's clusterfuck

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:24 PM (B/yDO)

395 Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:19 PM (hO8IJ)
*****

I know exactly how you feel!

Posted by: gonzotx at June 28, 2012 08:24 PM (3izs/)

396 He did not hit a home run. From what I understand since the Court now labeled the mandate a tax, all the Senate needs is 51 votes to repeal it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (eoFv8)

397 I've been resisting the urge to join the Purity Brigade™ for a long time, but fuck it, I'm there dude. Trying to play chess against an opponent who is playing while swinging a baseball bat and simply suggest we play chess harder and fairer is for losers.

I'm tired of losing. Who do I see to enlist in the Purity Brigade?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (rX1N2)

398 370 "The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful."

Mostly Mediterranean cultures. Not coincidentally, they're the freeloaders that have crashed the Euruo

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (B/yDO)

399 That's what the Ronulans did, except their only goal was to support Luap Nor. We have to do it at all levels to really make changes.
Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 08:17 PM (OL4L4)

Just do it in your county. If you want to run for state committee, do that. You know what normally determines who is elected to state committee (they endorse statewide candidates)? Ballot position. Those on top win.

If the Ron Paul folks could do it, anyone can. You just have to get off your ass.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (9KqcB)

400 Dear GOP,

One last chance. Or I will have strong words for you. OK, maybe two more last chances. Three at the most.


Posted by: bloviator at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (wmBEv)

401 Screw repealing it.When we take the Senate just have the House and Senate do away with the tax now that it's a tax.

No fuss, no muss.

Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (PsHkt)

402 390 Joe

My son has played soccer for 13 years. He started varsity as a freshman, and he plays for a cup team in Pittsburgh (for those unacquainted with the concept, it's like an all star team). He's also lettered in track for the past two years. His dream, since first grade, is to go to the Naval Academy and become a Marine officer.

God help anyone who doubts his masculinity or love of America.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (ZUg4j)

403 Let me add a relevant comment. We don't have parties in America. They have parties in parliamentary systems: groups of people with narrowly defined philosophies and agendas. Often in parliamentary systems, no single party will obtain a majority. In this case, they work out deals to form what's called a coalition government. The Republican and Democrat "parties" in America are really just that: coalitions.
Posted by: rfichoke at June 28, 2012 07:23 PM (Y1c/9)


This is an excellent point.

We need only a small, but dedicated number of people to take effective control of the GOP and steer that coalition towards freedom.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (XvHmy)

404 Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 08:23 PM (kcfmt)

Ummm..nothing to add except..FUCKIN' A

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (Yhu4q)

405 Just got off FB from a 40 comment thread. The person who posted it said that today's ruling is a win for the US. I think I and a couple of other people made good points, but the stupid and the Consitution hatred was rampant.

Right now, even if we repeal Ocare, I don't have much faith that this country will remain free. The public education system, under the NEA, in this country has done the job it set out to do.

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (fM7Wq)

406 >>The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.

Worse than the NBA, which is saying something.

I don't grok this "you can only hate something because you're ignorant" thing (which is total proggspeak...haven't we been told for two years that we only hate "A[sic]CA" because we're ignorant of how wonderful it is?!). Hate also springs from understanding.

Imagine if the 19th century abolitionists had been admonished as ignorant H8rs, because they didn't like human beings being considered property.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (hO8IJ)

407 Pretty high standards demanded from a party who with full control of the government seated stealth conservative John Roberts as chief justice.

If someone isn't publicly living and breathing conservatism, they will be liberal squishes like your presidential nominee.


Posted by: Valiant at June 28, 2012 08:27 PM (aFxlY)

408
I don't like Baseball, but I don't tear down the sport.

That's because baseball isn't gay. It'd be too hard for you.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 08:27 PM (BIRhA)

409 LOL. We say this every single election, and then we go running back to our masters in the establishment like whipped dogs because we get thrown a table scrap every now and then and because they whip us less than the next guy might whip us.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 28, 2012 08:27 PM (KSjsb)

410
I have played soccer, and it is boring. The absurd playacting they do these days to draw fouls is even more disgraceful.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (z1N6a)



There's playacting in every sport and you know that. That's the
fault of the player not the sport. I don't like Baseball, but I don't
tear down the sport.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:22 PM (BBlzg)
The basic issue in Soccer is that scoring is so low that either nothing happens or if a fluke gives a goal to one side the lead is insurmountable. Having every game end by using a different sport to produce a result (which is what Penalty kicks essentially are) makes no more sense in having the QBs play checkers in OT to decide a football game.Soccer needs, like hockey, to get scoring up to the 4-5 goals per game when two good teams play, rather than the 0-2 goals we get now. That way flukes, or bad calls, have a chance to be overcome.I also think the "I don't know how much time is left in the half" is pretty stupid. Its the 20th century, put the real time up there. But that is niggling.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:29 PM (z1N6a)

411 In next month's issue: "DIY Colonoscopy for Beginners."

Posted by: Popular Mechanics at June 28, 2012 08:29 PM (IoNBC)

412 am i banned?

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 08:29 PM (FU9ql)

413 Was is LBJ who said he saw a light at the end of the tunnel? Or Westmoreland?
Either way, all day a quote from Cu Chi has been running around and around in my head.
Grunt: Light? I'm up to my ass in fucking tunnels and there ain't No Damned Light.

Posted by: Pecos at June 28, 2012 08:29 PM (2Gb0y)

414 I blame Bush.

Posted by: Beto at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (BAnPT)

415 "LOL. We say this every single election, and then we go running back to our masters in the establishment like whipped dogs because we get thrown a table scrap every now and then and because they whip us less than the next guy might whip us."

Not really, I have been taking particular delight in helping wipe away incumbents in my neck of the woods.Rubio and Scott as two examples but yeah, I have to take the whipping from the guys in your neck of the woods most likely.

Posted by: Drider at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (PsHkt)

416 @392

in a few words, you're fucking delusional if you think a hospital is EVER going to "let people die for lack of medical intervention".

while clearly as much of an armchair pontiff as i admitted to be myself, you proceed to dismiss my opinion as bullshit, proposing the solution that hospitals simply stop treating all comers.

...like that will EVER happen! -.-

"A critical issue is to confront the nonsensical belief that medical care is somehow different than other goods and services. It isn't."

gawd, succour, succour from the illogic! -.-

no, the fact that withholding medical service can DIRECTLY LEAD TO A CONSUMER'S DEATH doesn't make medical care any different than other goods and services whatsoever.

it's ridiculous -- absolutely ridiculous -- that you ACTUALLY think that hopsital emergency rooms will begin declining service to unpaying customers. i can guarantee that will NEVER happen...not until the economy deteriorates to a FAR more dire situation.

NOBODY wants to see stories about people dying in american streets because they were denied medical service that they couldn't pay for, whether it is economically fair or not.

you must be in your early 20's if you REALLY think any electorate anywhere in the world, much less the characteristically generous american electorate, will EVER sign on to a solution to the free-rider problem that simply involves denying medical treatment to those who cannot pay.

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (79EF9)

417 Come on now, the Whigs weren't that bad... aside from the weakness on slavery and our Presidents keeping over dead all the time...

Posted by: Zombie Zachary Tayler at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (XvHmy)

418 Baseball is a thinking man's game where brute force doesn't always win, and one where you can NEVER be beaten by the clock. That's why it appeals to me.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (Qnu0v)

419 397 He did not hit a home run. From what I understand since the Court now labeled the mandate a tax, all the Senate needs is 51 votes to repeal it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (eoFv


The ruling is worse than Obamacare.

Repealing Obamacare is now the lesser of two problems.

If we do that, Roberts has still "given" the government the power to steal your house because it's not environmentally friendly (or penalize you if you don't eat broccoli, as they pointed out during deliberations).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (bxiXv)

420 Before the Revolution, the Founders sent petition after petition to King George. Eventually, they had no choice but to start a new nation. I don't want bloodshed. Let's try a few more petitions.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (caAEA)

421
410
It's similar to our collective subservience to political correctness. We hate it, and we complain about it, but nothing consequential every gets done to change it.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (cbNaC)

422 Imagine if the 19th century abolitionists had been
admonished as ignorant H8rs, because they didn't like human beings being
considered property.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (hO8IJ)


um...they were.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:31 PM (z1N6a)

423 Is this where I signitrate this? Because I wanna.

I agree with this, hard.

Posted by: Vivian Louise at June 28, 2012 08:32 PM (zbp4O)

424 When it comes to political, a quote from Virgil seems to fit well:

Attack! Attack more boldly than even fortune seems to permit!

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 08:32 PM (XvHmy)

425 If you're walking on a dark street late at night . . .

Beware of the Van Buren Boys.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:33 PM (B/yDO)

426 Come on now, the Whigs weren't that bad... aside from the weakness on slavery and our Presidents keeping over dead all the time...

Posted by: Zombie Zachary Tayler at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (XvHmy)


The whigs weren't a party --- they were two parties. The Anti Democrats in the North and the South. In the South, they were more pro Slavery than the Dems, in the North, anti-Slavery. Not having a position they could hold on the big issue of the day was a critical flaw.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:33 PM (z1N6a)

427 Merovign:
>> Roberts has still "given" the government the power to steal your house because it's not environmentally friendly

They probably already had that power.

I'm angry about this ruling, but I don't see it as anything really new. Another day, another federal power grab. Thanks a bunch, Dubya.

Posted by: sandy burger at June 28, 2012 08:33 PM (y15sM)

428 Not going to happen. The spineless wimps that make up the GOP aren't going repeal Obamacare.

Posted by: MrHobbit at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (sbaXF)

429 "Then as soon as Mitt takes the oath of office..."

LOL! You're not going to get the white house! Your ideas are too shitty! You're motivated by beating one man, that's all. We're motivated by progressive policies that make life better for ALL people!

You're only interest is SOME people. The only thing you got right is
what you said about the Whigs. That is indeed where you're heading...

What happened to your Tea Party revolution that took over and changed the party once already? What happened to that? You elected a bunch uneducated, ill-informed chumps that would make Bill Buckley want to kill himself if he were still alive, that's what you did.

*Kill the terrorist the previous president was "no longer worried about". - Check!
*Rescue the auto industry - Check
*Do SOMETHING about healthcare - Check
*Turn around the steady job losses under Bush and start growth. - Check.
*Beat private equity vulture-capitalist hack, hardly liked by his own party - NEXT!

See ya!

Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (xU2OO)

430 Guys, I want to give a dose of optimism to those who need it.
I have faith in our lawmakers, because I have faith in America. This is our society, and nobody can take that from us.
The people of this country are self-reliant, moral people who would never consider coveting their neighbors shit. Smart, realistic people who produce incredible things. We don't hate on each other because of our differences, we are a cohesive community working together to benefit each others lives.
Just look at what this country can do. With no America, there would be no Twitter, or Facebook, or Adult Friend Finder. We are the leaders in technology. Could China create a laptop with no keyboard? I didn't think so. We are the cutting edge of new technology like solar cylinders and algae fuel. American companies like Google can drive your car AND mine asteroids. Incredible.
I work at an engineering firm where I'm exposed to the brilliance and innovation af Americans every day. We all work together towards producing a product, we don't care about spouting buzzwords and belittling our co-workers. People of real integrity.
I trust Americans to do the right thing, to reject goodies confiscated from their fellow citizens, and see past our cultural and ethnic differences. We reject theft and we don't sell snake oil. We are exceptional because we are Americans, we don't even really have to try.

Posted by: the opposite of what I think at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (xXhWA)

431 This is an excellent point.



We need only a small, but dedicated number of people to take
effective control of the GOP and steer that coalition towards freedom.


An effort that would be worse than meaningless if you can't also get that coalition elected by steering their voters towards freedom.

I know we're frustrated, but the Underpants Gnome theory I keep seeing proposed is missing the "get elected" part:

1. Force the GOP to the constitutional conservative right.
2. ?????
3. FREEDOM!!!!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (fwVQr)

432 Lots of people seem to want to blame GW.Show me the large number of conservatives who were against Roberts.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (Xb3hu)

433 RIGHT THE FUCK ON DREW. The. End.

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (NBj0d)

434
415I blame Bush.

Me too, and I say that with no sarcasm. The GOP made a terrible mistake when they nominatedhim. He was and is a catastrophe to the conservative cause.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (cbNaC)

435 Never give up... never surrender

Posted by: Cmdr. Peter Quincy Taggart at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (XvHmy)

436 Baseball is a thinking man's game where brute force
doesn't always win, and one where you can NEVER be beaten by the clock.
That's why it appeals to me.


Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (Qnu0v)


It's also a game where there is pretty much always nowhere to hide. Pitcher versus Batter one on one, Fielder versus Ball....make the play or everyone sees you fail.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (z1N6a)

437 Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (xU2OO)

Well, now my feelings are hurt.

Posted by: Scobface at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (IoNBC)

438 Now I see how the Supreme Court over turned the Stolen Honor Law, after all they have no Honor


Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (eoFv8)

439 #335

That only works if the cost of non-paying patients is about equal to the taxes that would have been owed. In LA County the volume of illegals goes far beyond.

Plus, that only helps privately owned medical facilities. What of the local, county, or state operated medical facility that has little or no tax burden compared to a private facility.

The legislation that obligated medical facilities to take one and all regardless of ability to pay was a huge mistake. It made a bunch of people feel good about themselves but they're long gone when the costs become unmanageable.

This is the essential error of giving the vote to anyone who manages to have a heartbeat for 18 years. Far too many of those with no real investment to protect are always going to vote in favor of more free candy.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (kcfmt)

440 guess not

Two posts that dissapparated
wierd

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (FU9ql)

441 jimmy joe is dumber than Biden.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (UOM48)

442 Drew,

I think this is a really good idea. Is there somewhere you can put this up for signatures so we can petition the party with our grievances?

It is pretty clear all of our institutions have failed us so as good a place as any to start is with the Republican party. If they will not reform then we will need to find another home. I am perfectly fine with the libertarian party and have voted that way before so it will be easy for me. I just vote Republican when there is a menace like Obama about... which means I almost always vote Republican.

But that is going to change. I just sent Romney's letter back with a note that says as long as he keeps intending to repeal and replace Obamacare instead of just repealing it then he isn't getting a dollar from me.

The really neat thing about Obama is that the country has been bankrupted and corrupted to the point that there isn't much worth saving. So all of these people preaching moderation really don't have anything left to sell. What? Do I want to go broke 15 years down the road with Romney vs. 10 with Obama? Do I want squishes like Roberts on the court vs. Sotomayor? Would I like a shit sandwiche or turd soup?

What the hell does it matter at this point. Fuck all of the moderates and their lack of principle. Let them suffer the depredations that come with that until the pain is so much that they come to their senses. Let them court ME and convince ME that they aren't without principle and will act in a manner I can support. The people who think Romney is a great candidate are every bit as much of a problem as Obama is. I won't be a party to it any longer. It is pretty clear the republic will have to start over so it might as well be sooner rather than later.

At least I will have a clean conscience when the end comes and I can look my daughter in the eye knowing I did not support any of the people who brought it about.

And just for the record. The Dems won by being as extreme, nasty and partisan as they could be. They were relentless in their pursuit of tyranny and they pulled every dirty trick and supported every radical who came down the pike. That is how you win.

So our path is.

1: Party
2: Press (propaganda and lies)
3: Academia (propaganda and lies)
4: Power

The template has been set.

Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (eOimU)

443 I've been resisting the urge to join the Purity
Brigade™ for a long time, but fuck it, I'm there dude. Trying to play
chess against an opponent who is playing while swinging a baseball bat
and simply suggest we play chess harder and fairer is for losers.Posted by: Burn the Witch


Agree that this is the GOP's very last election, but I don't grant the Purity patrol any quarter.

They may think they were 'right' or more conservative that everyone else. So what? What did it do for them? Their arguments weren't persuasive; they were peevish at best, shit-flinging spaz outs at worst.

No one on the other 'side' of the debate claimed that our patience was infinite. No one here claimed the GOP can do no wrong. No one. That kind of sloppy, accusing moral masturbation made it all the easier to dismiss the purity patrol.

There is a limit and we've reached it..

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (famk3)

444 An effort that would be worse than meaningless if
you can't also get that coalition elected by steering their voters
towards freedom.

I know we're frustrated, but the Underpants Gnome theory I keep seeing proposed is missing the "get elected" part:

1. Force the GOP to the constitutional conservative right.
2. ?????
3. FREEDOM!!!!


Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (fwVQr)

the plan where 1. is replaced by "Leave teh GOP !!!!1! isn't a whole lot better.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (z1N6a)

445 437 Baseball is a thinking man's game where brute force
doesn't always win, and one where you can NEVER be beaten by the clock.
That's why it appeals to me.


Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:30 PM (Qnu0v)


It's also a game where there is pretty much always nowhere to hide. Pitcher versus Batter one on one, Fielder versus Ball....make the play or everyone sees you fail.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:35 PM (z1N6a)

I have to go to the park to watch a game. There is no way to appreciate it sitting at home with an idiotic "color" man prattling his pie hole.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 08:37 PM (GkwjL)

446 >>no, the fact that withholding medical service can DIRECTLY LEAD TO A CONSUMER'S DEATH

Refusing to let you tie up the ER for six hours, racking up thousands of dollars in fees you will never pay, every time your kid has a sniffle will not lead to your child's death. Get a fucking grip. Sweet fucking Bast, this is how we find ourselves under the present tyranny. Fucking hysterics, lying and exaggerating.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:37 PM (hO8IJ)

447 #356

I hope you keep saying that to yourself when they tell you that you have to buy organic vegetables. I hope that it will make you feel better when you can't eat meat anymore, or have salt, or drink soda or beer.

I hope that when the government tells you that you have to buy solar panels, or when the destroy all used cars and force you to buy a new electric - oh yes, I hope then that you can congratulate Chief Injustice Roberts on his so called "integrity".

His ruling and the "logic" he used to support it was unworthy of a Judge, unworthy of anyone with a law degree. Hell it was unworthy of anyone that has seen more than one episode of law and order.

It was a travesty, plan and simple. He has pretty much expanded the Federal Government's power to such a degree that it is highly unlikely that the damage will ever be undone.

As I told HB - today I watched the nation I loved, the nation I fought for and shed blood for die. Are you being naive? Frankly, I hope you'll understand when I tell you that is probably the understatement of the century.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at June 28, 2012 08:38 PM (R5yLq)

448 No one on the other 'side' of the debate claimed
that our patience was infinite. No one here claimed the GOP can do no
wrong. No one. That kind of sloppy, accusing moral masturbation made it
all the easier to dismiss the purity patrol.

There is a limit and we've reached it..


Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 08:36 PM (famk3)


So now you are cutting off the GOP regulars AND the base as well from your club? Good luck with that.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:38 PM (z1N6a)

449
Regarding Australia. Been there. It is closer to Europe than we are. One exception is the state of Western Australia, Perth and so on. There are so many natural resources that they live in a boom state so strong that all the socialist crap from Melbourne/Sydney does not hurt too much (yet).

I have been around the world several times and as fucked up as we are and as dangerous as the direction we have been heading, this country is still the best place in the world economically, politically, or medically.

When I think about emigrating, I think of movng from the blue wall to Alaska, Wyoming, Idaho etc. Some place with elbow room between self reliant individualists.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 08:39 PM (jts1f)

450 Imagine if the 19th century abolitionists had been admonished as ignorant H8rs, because they didn't like human beings being considered property.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 08:26 PM (hO8IJ)
This doesn't apply to Soccer. The point is those of us conservatives who happen to like the sport don't sit around bashing Hockey or Gymnastics or whatever. Saying you don't like a sport is different that some posters saying that you are a sissy or whatever if you like it.
That's all, no big argument. About the only sports I don't enjoy are Baseball and Autoracing and that is only because I follow about 10+ different sports already.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (BBlzg)

451 Subdivision in Hendricks County, across the street from an elementary school so new it's not on Google Earth. Todd Rokita's district; he voted for the repeal in January so I assume he'll do it again in July.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at June 28, 2012 07:26 PM (hO8IJ)

Heather.. just heard a commerical for Todd Rokita.. he is going to read the Constitution in Brownsburg.. I forget when.. some parade or fair or something.
You got a good rep.

Sorry about your tomatoes.. I hope whoever did it.. chokes on them.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (DGIjM)

452 I am meaner than cat shit today.

My coworkers gave me a wide berth. I let it be known that if you voted for this fucker do not speak to me unless its business related. I'm finished with nice. Nice doesn't get to fuck the prom queen as Sen Connery so famously stated.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (Fy6L7)

453 #435

I strongly suspect all of the discipline of the Bush children came from Laura. The campaign slogan 'Compassionate Conservatism' always made me cringe, and I didn't even identify as a conservative back then. The phrase captures exactly where the GOP has gone so badly wrong.

You cannot uphold the principles the party supposedly embraces if you cave every time it looks like a twelve-your-old might declare they hate you and living in an apartment is not good reason they cannot have a pony.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (kcfmt)

454 What the fuck happened to me? My ass hurts.

Posted by: The Constitution at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (jucos)

455 Sorry about your tomatoes.. I hope whoever did it.. chokes on them.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (DGIjM)


I don't hope that. They could sue her then.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (z1N6a)

456 Democracy died today! This is the end of America!!! Game over dudes!!!!!!

Posted by: Weepy Cheese Boy from Wisconsin at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (wmBEv)

457 So now you are cutting off the GOP regulars AND the base as well from your club? Good luck with that.Posted by: Oldcat

I wrote nothing of the kind and I'd love to see how the purity pricks are the entire base. They're mat think they are but they'd be wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 08:42 PM (famk3)

458 What that self serving dick Roberts did was give Congress the power to compel us to do anything they want so long as there is a tax penalty for non-compliance.

Roberts has unilaterally rewritten the system of checks and balances.

Fuck him

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 08:42 PM (Yhu4q)

459 I don't hope that. They could sue her then.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (z1N6a)

Not if they are DEAD !!111!!!!!11!!!!!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:42 PM (DGIjM)

460 Ace,

You should bump up the money bomb post, its up to 2.5 million!

Posted by: WesternCon at June 28, 2012 08:43 PM (zsoCL)

461
385374Why can't we just pass an an amendment limiting the types of situations the Feds can levy a Tax?
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 08:19 PM (zrpqj)
-------------

Its already IN the Constitution. Excise, Imposts, Dutys, capitated Taxes, and INCOME Taxes... That is...What Tax this fits into? I'm trying to figure out.

Posted by: Rome13 at June 28, 2012 08:21 PM (lZBBB)
-------------

Social Security and Medicare....whatever the hell category those are in, this new one will slide into that one.
The slippery slope was breached with those.
Those weren't mentioned in the Constitution either.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 08:44 PM (0T8H7)

462 Nice doesn't get to fuck the prom queen as Sen Connery so famously stated.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 08:41 PM (Fy6L7)

Lol.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:44 PM (DGIjM)

463 #435 The GOP made a terrible mistake when they nominated him. He was and is a catastrophe to the conservative cause.
....Yeah, then you supported Sarah Palin. Now you've got Mitt, who was born on third base and thinks he hit a home run by sacking companies Soprano-style. He's never helped anyone but millionaires in his entire life.

Too many bad choices by you folks. Too much inhumanity and selfishness. Too many contradictions in your philosophy.

Better leave this to innovative human beings who don't just care about themselves.

Chillax. We've got this. You might learn something.

Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (xU2OO)

464 @461

Oh man, it might be time to start calling him Mitt Bombney.

Posted by: JDTAY at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (a0nis)

465 Lots of people seem to want to blame GW.Show me the large number of conservatives who were against Roberts.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 08:34 PM (Xb3hu)

Not me. I didn't even give a shit because I was younger and, well, didn't give a shit.

Now that I'm older, I'm giving it the WTF treatment. So why did YOU assholes put Bush in power so he could eventually appoint Roberts, blah fucking blah.

Beck was on that this morning. I'm guessing he wasblowing off steambut it was kinda stupid.

Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (Vzm9f)

466 This doesn't apply to Soccer. The point is those of
us conservatives who happen to like the sport don't sit around bashing
Hockey or Gymnastics or whatever. Saying you don't like a sport is
different that some posters saying that you are a sissy or whatever if
you like it.


That's all, no big argument. About the only sports I don't enjoy are
Baseball and Autoracing and that is only because I follow about 10+
different sports already.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:40 PM (BBlzg)

I never say that about it, or fans. I think the reason for the blowback is that Soccer is shoved in our faces as a "World Sport" and we are trashed as insular cretins for not liking the wonder of it all. My objections are technical, for the most part.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (z1N6a)

467
"Romney will issue EOs on day 1 to grant waivers to the states. He can't repeal it on day one, obviously."

Now, this I love!!!
Besides, the precedent has been sent by the SCFOAMF

Posted by: cat9 at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (x0PlF)

468 President Mitt Romney... I like it. nice ring to it.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (DGIjM)

469 Do ya think Mooch is proud of her country today? It belongs to her and people like her now.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (caAEA)

470 I have to go to the park to watch a game. There is no way to
appreciate it sitting at home with an idiotic "color" man prattling his
pie hole.


Baseball goes well on radio too. The radio announcers are MUCH better than the TV ones because they're constantly filling the airtime with something. Stats, gossip, colorful descriptions, etc.

The MLB audio only subscription is quite inexpensive.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (Qnu0v)

471 >>Sorry about your tomatoes.. I hope whoever did it.. chokes on them.

Speaking of tomatoes..Roberts just ruled that Congress can force us to grow them so long if there is a tax penalty for not doing so


Posted by: Albie Damned at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (Yhu4q)

472 and whether it makes me a bleeding-heart RINO fag or not, i must admit that NO, i DON'T like to see people dying for an inability to pay.

no, the world isn't fair, and no, it's not up the the government to legislate fairness into the world. i recognise both points.

but as humans, i think, in general, we don't like it when others die simply for a lack of resources...we don't like that others' lives might have been saved and much suffering averted had they only been slightly more wealthy.

at any rate, doctors tend to hold their hippocratic oaths to be higher than the law of the land, i believe. they won't EVER send away a dying patient!

the problem is that all the OTHER waste -- the doctor-shopping and multiple prescriptions -- happens to take advantage the exact same charitable unwillingness to deny health-care to those ultimately in need...and it's not immediately clear that the practises are easily or practically separable.

i think that the free-loading due to FRAUD is FAR worse, in any case, than the free-loading due to non-payers...and MANY avenues to commit fraud would still be available under the current entitlement system.

i'd personally like to see an abolition of the system as currently implemented, followed by a ground-up restructuring by the private sector, but i don't think electoral confidence in the private sector would permit such a radical re-imagining of the health-care sector anytime soon.

you can't turn away people who are going to die, but i DO want to believe that there are EFFICIENT ways of limitting fraud otherwise...and entitlement reform is something we usually scream and cry about anyway, isn't it? i don't know that i believe in the government to administrate the fraud-reduction, but the government might appropriate some money to outsource the gargantuan task to private entities.

if the fraud can't be limitted without spending more money than can be recovered, i suppose there is little that can be done. it's not entirely clear that such a question has been investigated in detail.

at any rate, we're not going to start tuning away someone who just lost their leg in a car accident because we know they have a history of failing to pay for their medical service.

it's NOT fair.

but AMERICAN CITIZEN TURNED AWAY BY ER DIES ON CAR RIDE HOME is not a headline most american voters are willing to stomach.

also, just to be certain, it's important that we don't forget that entitlement spending, which we would ALL like reformed, has very much to DO with health-care, since a great deal of it is spent in the health-care sector.

"business as usual" is basically "broke or bust".

Posted by: jimi ray at June 28, 2012 08:47 PM (79EF9)

473
2.5 million... sweet

Posted by: Carville's Worst Nightmare at June 28, 2012 08:47 PM (8J9h2)

474 Jindal on O'Reilly: Chief Justice Roberts was trying to impress the editorial pages.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:48 PM (DGIjM)

475 467 " I think the reason for the blowback is that Soccer is shoved in our
faces as a "World Sport" and we are trashed as insular cretins for not
liking the wonder of it all."

Interestingly, the same people who shove the sport down our throats as cultured are usually the biggest racists in the world.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:48 PM (B/yDO)

476 and whether it makes me a bleeding-heart RINO fag or not, i must admit
that NO, i DON'T like to see people dying for an inability to pay.



no, the world isn't fair, and no, it's not up the the government to legislate fairness into the world. i recognise both points.


Posted by: jimi ray June 28, 2012 08:47 PM (79EF9)

since that never happened under any system, what is your beef?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:49 PM (z1N6a)

477 "This is your last chance. If you blow this, I'm out and you need to be destroyed."

The American political machine knows you don't mean it. The American political machine knows that, like most Americans you will continue to vote as you're directed to vote (either Dem/Rep).

You don't mean it any more than you did the last election when you said it. Or the election before that, or the election before that. or the election before that.....

Posted by: leon at June 28, 2012 08:49 PM (ptudu)

478 I already gave them my last chance, and they blew it. Screw them.

Posted by: cranky-d at June 28, 2012 08:49 PM (GsXbZ)

479 Organizing civil disobedience is not our forte.

I agree, couldn't help but notice how rapidly Arizona complied with the Monday ruling as compared to how DC fought the Heller decision kicking and screaming and had to be drug back into court repeatedly to get some approximation of partial compliance.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 08:49 PM (dBvlk)

480 This.

That is all.

Posted by: NukemHill at June 28, 2012 08:50 PM (PVNda)

481 It's not the same, since the MLS isn't on the level of the big leagues in Europe, but go ask Thierry Henry (black French star striker) about living in NYC and playing in the USA versus living in Barcelona and playing in Spain.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 08:51 PM (B/yDO)

482 I never say that about it, or fans. I think the reason for the blowback is that Soccer is shoved in our faces as a "World Sport" and we are trashed as insular cretins for not liking the wonder of it all. My objections are technical, for the most part.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 08:45 PM (z1N6a)

I didn't say you did, I'm referring to other posters, and I respect your disagreement. If the "mancard deduction" "ghey" "shove europeanism down our throats" arguments stopped from SOME folks in conservatism, I wouldn't get so chaffed about it.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:51 PM (BBlzg)

483
NO, i DON'T like to see people dying for an inability to pay.



Everyone to include illegal aliens are entitled to medical care in America, both emergency and long term care. Doesn't happen jimi ray.

Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at June 28, 2012 08:51 PM (hvwLi)

484 Brian Terry's mother on with Laura Ingraham on Fox right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:52 PM (UOM48)

485 Ace,

You should bump up the money bomb post, its up to 2.5 million!

Posted by: WesternCon at June 28, 2012 08:43 PM (zsoCL)


I think that is it indicative of just how many people have been massively motivated of the ruling.

If Obama hit a homer with Obamacare, than that home-run ball just hit a hive of killer bees. Very very pissed off bees.

This was a victory for Obama; let's make sure that it is a Pyrrhic one!

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 08:52 PM (XvHmy)

486 #469

He does seem to be our last hope.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:53 PM (R5yLq)

487 So we replace the out and out communist with a patrician progressive. What could possibly go wrong? As I said on a previous thread....... I am going to start following boxing. The rules are easier to understand and the outcomes are more fair than this sport we call politics.

Posted by: The Constitution at June 28, 2012 08:53 PM (jucos)

488 Jindal on O'Reilly: Chief Justice Roberts was trying to impress the editorial pages.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at June 28, 2012 08:48 PM (DGIjM)

Remember though...he's not eligible for VP.

And he once saw something that he said may be an excorcism, so he's a weirdo...and he actually knows that ID and Evolution aren't incompatible...

LETS NOMINATE PAWLENTY!

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 08:54 PM (BBlzg)

489 I ate Heather's tomatoes and now I'm gonna eat her lunch.

Posted by: Baracka Hussein Obama at June 28, 2012 08:54 PM (KM2HD)

490 Terry family says that for a time, the only information they were getting on Brian's death was through the news media.

They're disgusted with Holder and the DOJ.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2012 08:54 PM (UOM48)

491 Is this a Steve Howe kinda of last chance or a real last chance?

Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2012 08:55 PM (YXrPH)

492 #483

Where do you stand on those of us who don't like soccer because we think it's boring?

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:55 PM (R5yLq)

493 I actually give a shit about this!!

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 28, 2012 08:55 PM (pJbuO)

494
Re: 478

When political parties become dysfunctional, for whatever reason(s), they die. The largest surviving party then splits along its deepest fault line.

The voters are not robots under the mind control of a secret cabal of evil corporations.

If you understood true greed and hubris you would know that people afflicted by these vices cannot cooperate beyond the first opportunity to betray one another for their own gain.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (jts1f)

495

The coverup and beatings will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: E Holder, AG Mac Daddy at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (hvwLi)

496 I just think its better for everyone when we spread Heather's tomato's around.

Posted by: Barky O'dipshit at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (DGIjM)

497 Mmmm mm mmm I'm gonna get butt-plowed by the Wookie tonite!!

Posted by: Baracka Hussein Obama at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (KM2HD)

498 462--- "Social Security and Medicare...The slippery slope was breached with those. "

Yep.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (C8mVl)

499 If you like Heather's tomato's.. you can keep her tomato's

Posted by: Barky O'dipshit at June 28, 2012 08:56 PM (DGIjM)

500

Doctor-patient confidentiality is something that most doctors take very seriously.
Under ObamaTaxCare.....medical recordsare supposed tobe madeavailable to government scrunts, to browse through at their leisure.

What if doctors don't comply?
Does ObamaTaxCare give doctors a waiver from being sued for making their patients' medical records public?
There are too many people out there, who don't even know this is in there....and will happen, if this thing is not repealed.

Posted by: wheatie at June 28, 2012 08:57 PM (0T8H7)

501 Anyone else going to the big shindig at Matt Damon's house?

Posted by: CJSCROTUS John Roberts at June 28, 2012 08:57 PM (cjTjM)

502 we had to steal Heather's tomato's to find out whats in them.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 28, 2012 08:58 PM (DGIjM)

503 Texas primary runoff July 31st. Who do you trust more to repeal ObamaTaxCare? Dewhurst or Cruz?

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 08:58 PM (dBvlk)

504 Here's why every little battle matters...every single inch of political ground. President Reagan, IIRC, signed the emergency care law that required hospitals to treat anyone in an emergency, regardless of their ability to pay.

That single seed has now grown into a forest of government coercion and power.

There is no hill of freedom we should give up without dying on. Debt ceiling, judicial appointments, illegal immigration, lower taxes, spending cuts no matter how small. Every single principle must be fought for with everything we have.

The demos and statist never ever ever stop. And they take every little win and continue to come back for more. And too many of them, over the last 40 years, have had R beside their name.


Posted by: The Hammer at June 28, 2012 08:59 PM (y/w2M)

505 Obama gonna pay ma mohtgidge den he be gibbin me sum o Header's matoes.

Posted by: Zombie American at June 28, 2012 08:59 PM (KM2HD)

506 Where do you stand on those of us who don't like soccer because we think it's boring?
Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 08:55 PM (R5yLq)

I don't lose sleep over it, because as I've said, I've rarely seen many people who like the sport in conervative blog land get up in arms about other sports when their mentioned.

You like Baseball, or Cup Stacking, or Cheerleaders...you are an American.
That applies to all the other sports.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 09:00 PM (BBlzg)

507 Fuckin' A right, DrewM!

I just read this to my hot wife--who grew up in the USSR--and she said it was the most beautiful thing she could imagine anyone saying on a day like this. She is VERY bummed out about the ruling, seeing it as total and complete Stalinism.

It's the GOP's last chance. If they don't get their shit together and kill this... Brother Ron will soldier on, and more and more of the GOP will be with him.

Posted by: El Miguel at June 28, 2012 09:00 PM (b6JzA)

508 At some point, Heather has grown enough tomato plants.

Posted by: HomObama at June 28, 2012 09:00 PM (cjTjM)

509 Texas primary runoff July 31st. Who do you trust more to repeal ObamaTaxCare? Dewhurst or Cruz?
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at June 28, 2012 08:58 PM (dBvlk)

I thought about this at Dinner...Cruz might be able to get votes out of this. Do any Texas morons know if there is going to be a debate before the runoff?

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 09:01 PM (BBlzg)

510 At some point, you've just got enough tomatoes.

Posted by: Barry Obama, Earle of Cornhole at June 28, 2012 09:01 PM (IoNBC)

511 I'm sure Roberts will be having dinner soon with the Obamas at Sally Jessica Oatbag's place in the next few days.

Dress: Black Robe Optional

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 28, 2012 09:01 PM (pJbuO)

512 Bit OT but I could use some help dredging up the appropriate citations to knock this douchebaggery commentary back down into the dirt.
"Angela this is designed to make it affordable I know you haven't actually read the bill(now law) but it has already stopped the increasing cost of healthcare dead in its tracks and should (if handled decently ) make it so you or anyone can afford basic healthcare insurance, more importantly it is not being penalized it is paying for something you will be receiving."
And this miracle piece of commentary is on the same thread: "
Angela, the law will allow you to get coverage with preexisting conditions. That's one of the great things in the law. Have you not been paying attention? And I suggest to all that think you won't ever need health care to carry a card in ...your wallet instructing all medical personnel to not render any aid in the event of a life threatening condition/accident. Don't ever go to a doctor, don't ever take any medicine. Let God's will be done. That will show all those communist!"
My contribution was pointing out the precedence this is, the fact that it opens the door for the govt to tax pretty much anything for any reason they want.
I'm honestly at a loss, the ignorance and knob slobbing these idiots are doing...I don't even know if I want to spend the energy to debunk their idiocy outside of the comments I remember in various places.
Things like the fact that this is equivalent to a 36% tax increase on everybody and everything to even dream of trying to pay for this. The fact that basic constitutional rights have been usurped by the government, the fact that the insurance pools will collapse if they have to cover every pre-existing condition covered. We simply cannot afford this crap, and I know theres folks out there who are way more edumacated than I am in regards to looking this stuff up. Give a moron a hand here?

Posted by: Dale in San Antonio (not Dave!) at June 28, 2012 09:03 PM (8eoVW)

513 145
Go ahead wingers, take your bats and balls and go home. I'm building a
New Majority that will reach across the aisle and create the kind of
utopia that all Americans want, and we want to show the vast moderate
middle that Republicans are their friends and want to be a part of a big
benevolent government that makes wise choices for them.
-----David Frum

Good luck, Frump: you can name it the Reacharound Party.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 28, 2012 09:04 PM (pJbuO)

514
It is not for us to pass judgement on taking ofthe tomatoes that were Heather's. Taking them was clearly a form of taxation and therefore clearly leagal.

Posted by: Chief John Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:04 PM (KM2HD)

515 So, when does the next court challenge to Obamacare make the docket? The conference of US bishops' suit hasn't even been heard in lower federal court yet.

I imagine the law can be repealed before that ever makes it to the SCOTUS.

Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 09:05 PM (gT3jF)

516 Jimi, American voters cannot stomach a few headlines about a patient being turned away, so they have turned to gov to solve it.

But under ObamaCare they WILL stomach patients being turned away, waiting for operations, and being turned down for services because of age.

Because they will NEVER hear of it, the MSM will write ZERO HEADLINES about mass gov healthcare fuckups.




Posted by: pam at June 28, 2012 09:07 PM (cgrL5)

517 Wow, format fail in spades. Let me try again!

Posted by: Dale in San Antonio (not Dave!) at June 28, 2012 09:07 PM (8eoVW)

518 Is there nothing that the Federal gov't cannot regulate/affect? If not through valid/invalid CC authority, just add a $1 tax and you can pass 2,500 pages of 'related' laws and 18,000 pages of 'related' regulations.

There isn't a damn thing that falls outside of 'interstate commerce and/or $1 tax' authority as read by the court today. Nothing.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 09:07 PM (X/+QT)

519 You all know that I wasn't wearing any pants under my robe this morning right?

Posted by: Chief Just Us John "Corky" Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:08 PM (jucos)

520 Baseball goes well on radio too. The radio announcers are MUCH better than the TV ones because they're constantly filling the airtime with something. Stats, gossip, colorful descriptions, etc.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at June 28, 2012 08:46 PM (Qnu0v)


I can listen to Marty Brennaman on the AM band all day long.

Posted by: ErikW at June 28, 2012 09:08 PM (Vzm9f)

521 From what I understand since the Court now labeled the mandate a tax, all the Senate needs is 51 votes to repeal it

Repealing the mandate without repeal must-issue and preexisting condition part just kills private health insurance and brings the NIH.

Posted by: toby928© at June 28, 2012 09:08 PM (QupBk)

522 You'd think Heather would be thanking me.

Posted by: King Putt at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (B/yDO)

523
I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (jts1f)

524 If you are looking for Heathers tomatoes you can find them right here under my robe.

Posted by: Chief Just Us John at June 28, 2012 09:10 PM (jucos)

525 524


I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (jts1f)

Kindly see 519.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 09:10 PM (X/+QT)

526 The 2012 Nancy J. Pelosi Informed Citizenry and Freedom Bill will require all you fucking proles to purchase a daily metropolitan newspaper.

It's good for you, America!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2012 09:11 PM (famk3)

527 I'm taking Stuck for a walk. We'll be back later.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 09:14 PM (R5yLq)

528
524


I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:15 PM (jts1f)

529
529 ... Oops, format fail.


I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:16 PM (jts1f)

530 367 Ironic that Roberts engaged in activism to avoid the appearance of activism, no?



...and
it's his reputation that he only gives a shit about. There'll be
adoring photos of Maverick Roberts on the covers of Time, Newsweek, etc
for weeks to come.




It is ironic. As for your point regarding reputation, I think it is
both, and the two go hand-in-hand (as Chief Justice, he feels a sense of
obligation, etc.). This (to me) is primarily why he made a number of conservative acknowledgements regarding ObamaCare only to latch on to an argument not given as much weight by the Administration or the liberal justices. So while he made some great points regarding the Administration's primary arguments and also made ObamaCare easier to repeal, he ultimately "chickened-out" (while being too clever by half).

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 09:17 PM (d6QMz)

531 #417

And the bullshit keeps coming from Jimi! And boy, you can see the cracks forming as his use of CAPS goes up!

Actually, I'm 47. Coming up on 48 in exactly a month. I've seen the decline in my lifetime. The first time I ever went to an ER was when I was ten and had pneumonia, which lead to to attacks of respiratory distress. They packed me up and took me to the ER because they thought I was in serious danger.

The place was nearly empty of other patients. This wasn't a high density area like parts of LA where the flow of patients would of course be much higher but still, it was remarkably quiet compared to anything you'd see today in the same town. The difference? Everybody who was there for treatment really needed help immediately. Nobody was there for the sniffles or a stubbed toe.

But then, the illegal alien portion of the local population was a tiny fraction then compared to today.

So cut the crap. The vast majority of non-paying patients to ERs are not suffering from life threatening illness or injury. I've seen it up close and got to pay an absurd amount for a few minutes with a doctor. I got to spend the next year making payments on a $1,000 bill that should have been $100 at most in a sane world. They're mostly just run of the mill complaints that any normal private practice would deal with, except they have this funny expectation of being paid at least a token amount. Plenty of private practitioners charge very reasonable prices, especially those who disdain Medicare. But it's hard tob eat free when you've created an underclass that has no reason to respect the cost they inflict on others.

And perhaps you weren't paying attention when I said a lot of people were going to die regardless. Do you really think the average treatment patients receive is going to improve under the new regime? We're going to get lots of rationing and general mediocrity. The UK already has a euthanasia program that is being used to winnow down the elderly who threaten to consume too much NHS funds. A number of physicians have complained that it is being applied well in excess of its intended scope.

It is the natural extension of when you put your continued existence on somebody else's tab. Your family cannot murder you without consequence but the government can. And yes, the UK electorate has effectively supported this.

And yes, this can happen in the US. It's already happening. There are fewer ERs in LA County, where I live, than there were a few years ago. The crush of illegals turning up for freebies is collapsing the system and your chances of dying in a trauma situation are increased for lack of facilities. But we can't prioritize citizens over trespassers. We cannot even have INS come to the hospital and ship them back where they came from.

That would be mean.

You know what is really mean? Having to tell my nephews and nieces that they may have to die because we couldn't bear to hurt the feeling of a foreign trespasser.


Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 09:17 PM (kcfmt)

532
530 D'Oh!

Not sure why I cannot tag sarcasm to a post but before I kill the thread, I will retire.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:18 PM (jts1f)

533 Dear GOP: Why are you helping Harry Reid pass a trillion-dollar agricultural bill? And a transportation bill without the Keystone XL pipeline? Do you still have a pulse?

Posted by: waelse1 at June 28, 2012 09:19 PM (VaU8E)

534 Ricochet podcast reflecting on the ObamaCare decision-
http://ricochet.com/ricochet-podcast/The-Decision

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 09:19 PM (d6QMz)

535
Not the hill to die on.
Overton window.
Need to focus on the next election.
Posted by: The Republican Party (tm)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 09:20 PM (kdS6q)

536
Re 532 re 417

We can have open borders or we can have a welfare state, we cannot sustain both at once.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at June 28, 2012 09:22 PM (jts1f)

537 Drew M.

Where do we sign?

You should actually have a letter to send. With signatures (or at least names).

I'm up for it.

If this isn't repealed then the Republicans will have proven they are no more than slow socialists compared to the Democrats fast version.

Dustbin here they come.

McConnell claims that's what they'll do but he's lied before.
Boehner claims that's what they'll do but he's cut deals before.

This letter should go to the leaders and every Republican Congressman/Senator and candidates.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 09:23 PM (CP+yl)

538 524


I am fierce. I slayed the expansion of the commerce clause.

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at June 28, 2012 09:09 PM (jts1f)
Liked that. Clever.

Posted by: CausticConservative at June 28, 2012 09:24 PM (gT3jF)

539
1) If he had voted with Scalia, Thomas, et al, MSM would have called
the court political and the SCOAMF would have had a club to beat them
with.

2) Got the liberals to put the brakes on expansion of the Commerce
Clause to justify anything and everything (which the Conservatives were
also ready to do,) which now takes that ruling out of the political
realm

3) Reconstitutes the "penalty" as a tax, which furthers the description of Democrats as the tax and spend party

Sure, this now theoretically means that if you have enough votes, you can tax anything, but realistically, how likely is that?

Would Harry Reid have been able to get 60 votes to get cloture if the Obamacare bill had called it a tax?


And you know, if I get cancer I'll lose a lot of weight and really look slender and svelte and my old clothes will fit great.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at June 28, 2012 09:27 PM (jfWE9)

540
Not too long ago, conservatives and republicans threw a fit when ANYONE suggested that the republican party needed to be rebuilt from the ground up ...or entirely replaced...and said person(s) was called a nutcase or much, much worse.
Welcome to reality.
Enjoy your stay.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 28, 2012 09:28 PM (WwR1j)

541 Instead of giving an inauguration speech Romney should simply give a signing statement for the Obamatax repeal. It would easily be the greatest inauguration ever.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 09:30 PM (t2cnv)

542 oZfic, oZfic. Have you any bull? Yessir, yessir I'm full of shit up to HERE!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at June 28, 2012 09:30 PM (CP+yl)

543 The flaming skull is charming. Now how about a flaming me? Or does anyone here even read that thing up there anymore?

Posted by: Zombie Mencken at June 28, 2012 09:32 PM (QjSgY)

544 This is like the 100th "last chance" lol.

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2012 09:36 PM (/7gN/)

545 Supremes Okay More Fascism In Amerika

hey, all you repuke supporters - recall voting for Bush because he would give you so-called "conservative" justices.

Yea, well, you can now give Justice Roberts your daily BJ with his "vote" for imposing those shackles on you.

Have fun swallowing.

roflmao

Posted by: donabernathy at June 28, 2012 09:36 PM (BbZYd)

546 I'm about to go all Howard Beale up in here.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at June 28, 2012 09:39 PM (A2LXE)

547 #473

Jimi, if a doctor wants to give away his services for free, he is completely within his rights to do so. He is not within his rights to ask any unwilling taxpayer to pick up the cost for his efforts.

There is this thing called charity, where voluntarily give of themselves, be it in labor or capital. Giving away money wrested from tax payers is not charity. One of the ways this nation has gone badly wrong is in allowing government to take over the role of charity in far too many situations.

This is not only turning kindness into theft, it also can make the tax payer into a party to illegal acts. In CA we have a number of entitlement programs that are odd in that they duplicate programs that exist at the federal level. Why is this? Because the federal programs have this pesky requirement of legal residency. The CA program happily throw tax payer funds at illegal aliens where those mean old federal programs won't. And do we CA tax payers get a say in this? You'd think so, wouldn't you, what with the voting and all. Why, we even enacted laws that specifically said the money couldn't be spent on illegal aliens. The state government simply ignored those laws or revealed loopholes that were written into them.

So this state teeters on the abyss. The amount of effort they put into winning the love of Mexican nationals makes one wonder what country this state belongs to.

Well, this has to end. The cost is simply unsustainable. We've created a dependency culture that guarantees a lot of people are going to die for lack of care when the jig is up, whether it is by cutting off the flow of money and saving the state for its citizens or by complete and utter collapse that will claim a lot of those who were productive up until now.

Those are the choices. We're committed to ugly. It's just a choice of what kind of ugly we choose. We're long past the point of no return. There was a guy, used to be governor here when I was a little kid, who tried to warn us about this when they put Medicare through. He said it would go badly over budget by at least twice. He later had to admit he was wrong. It went over budget by an order of magnitude in less than a decade.

When charity says no you can go looking for another charity. When government says no the next election is infinitely far away. You won't be getting another government in time for it to matter.

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 09:41 PM (kcfmt)

548 359 believes he has an obligation to protect the Court's reputation.



Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 08:11 PM (d6QMz)



Epic fail.


As I said, the Constitution should always, always take precedence over attempts to protect reputation.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 09:45 PM (d6QMz)

549 Now that my BP has almost returned to normal, I'm starting to think Roberts may be a friggin' genius.

On Nov 6 I will know for sure.

Posted by: Rightwing Vet at June 28, 2012 09:47 PM (PTS+l)

550 It's a great idea, Drew, but the GOP will waffle and cave just as it always does now. There is no courage or integrity left in a party dominated by losers like McCain and his ilk. There is no real opposition party now, just quislings.

Posted by: nraendowment at June 28, 2012 09:50 PM (Msv+6)

551 DrewM, that's awesome. I'm on board. I catch a lot of crap from people here for being optimistic and looking for silver linings, but this election is the second of Krauthammer's stated necessities to return the country to working order after Obamacare passed. The 2010 elections were the first salvo, and now we just need 2012. Sure, it today's decision was a big disappointment, but it's not the hill to die on. However, if November goes to the Dems or if Romney drops the ball, then I'm giving up...but no sooner!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 09:51 PM (Y5I9o)

552 #550

Hello again everyone. Rightwing Vet, the decision today will last much longer than the next election. It will also affect much more than just Obamacare.

Posted by: Hummingbird at June 28, 2012 09:52 PM (R5yLq)

553 549:As I said, the Constitution should always, always take precedence over attempts to protect reputation.
--

Right, and while you're busy patting yourself on the back for being true to law and principle, Obama and his Leftist buddies are subverting the schools and changing the culture so that a majority of voters won't care one fig for legal decorum.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 09:53 PM (Y5I9o)

554 Just do it in your county. If you want to run for state committee, do that. You know what normally determines who is elected to state committee (they endorse statewide candidates)? Ballot position. Those on top win.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 08:25 PM (9KqcB)


We're probably on the same page. When I wrote "all levels" I was implying that the Luap Nor folks were only in it for Ron, and that many had little interest in supporting Sen Heller (in NV) and other Republicans down-ballot.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at June 28, 2012 09:58 PM (OL4L4)

555 "Simply hold the legislation at the desk so the 10 day pocket veto clock doesn't start."

Actually pocket veto wouldn't apply.. that's only if Congress is adjourned. If Congress is in session, the president must explicitly veto the bill. If he doesn't sign it, it becomes law. Obama would absolutely veto a repeal bill, kicking in the 2/3 override requirement.

So Congress has to pass the repeal bill, then present it to newly-inaugurated President Romney for signature.

Posted by: I.M. at June 28, 2012 09:59 PM (gIXYV)

556 Hummingbird,
re: "the decision today will last much longer than the next election."
I agree!
Commerce Clause - extremely crippled
Dem's stealth "social/welfare" programs (aka tax increases) - crippled
"Mandates" - crippled

Posted by: Rightwing Vet at June 28, 2012 10:02 PM (PTS+l)

557 Congratulations, Drew. You have written the best thing that anyone has published on the internet today. The motherfucking...best...thing.

GAME ON, MOTHAFUCKAS!!!

Posted by: MadisonConservative at June 28, 2012 10:02 PM (sb+ta)

558 Robert's rationale may ultimately work against ObamaCare but has introduce a spectacular new level of weasel language as SOP into the operation of our government. The people who claimed they'd have the most transparent administration ever have instead introduced a new standard of opacity.

To this day, is there a single human who can honestly claim to have read and understood the ACA in its entirety? We need a doorstop law that automatically rejects any proposed legislation that takes over a hundred pages to define. Anything longer plainly needs to be treated as multiple items and debated individually. (Not to mention debated at all!)

Posted by: epobirs at June 28, 2012 10:05 PM (kcfmt)

559
Sorry, the GOP establishment had one more chance, but they gave us Romneycare for a nominee.

Do you really think the GOP deserves shit after nominating the one person responsible for the downfall of the American civilization? Not at all. If they kick him out of the party at the National Convention, then they might earn one more chance.

They should burn effigies of Roberts, Romney and Snowe all day long at the convention. American traitors one and all.

Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 10:32 PM (gUGI6)

560 I'm with you, Drew. If Romney is elected and doesn't get this taken care of, he's done, and so are Repubs. I will do whatever it takes to get them all out of DC. I will go full anarchist if that's what it takes. The country will be gone if we don't do something. If Obama wins, which is possible too, then we go into civil war mode. No more sitting around moaning. We have to get it done now.

Posted by: megthered at June 28, 2012 10:43 PM (iR4Dg)

561 So this time when we, Charlie Brown, come to kick the football of liberalism into the dead zone, and the RINOs, aka Lucy, yank it away at the last minute, we're going to bend Lucy over said football, and introduce her to the cougar Dick Cheney keeps in his pants? Do I have that right?

Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2012 10:48 PM (YXrPH)

562 #218 You have unwittingly hit on what Roberts was trying to tell us.

1. If it is a tax, it cannot have waivers. It must be applied equally.
2. If it is a tax, then tax-exempt organizations are not required to pay it. (This goes to the Catholic hospitals and organizations.)
3. If it is a tax, then the House has some control.

This decision isn't an easy one to figure out. But on listening to comments and reading parts of it, I think there is something in thee we can work with.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 28, 2012 10:51 PM (GoIUi)

563 I'm with you, Drew, and this from a committed Republican. Hard to believe the GOP, a party founded on hard principle and in the face of almost certain armed conflict, would come to an end like this. Remember the words of Lincoln's Cooper Union speech: "Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, in the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it."

To hell with those socialist weasels. They mean to tear down the Republic and replace it with an authoritarian superstate. No more go along and get along. No more reaching across the aisle. No more nice.

Posted by: troyriser at June 28, 2012 11:06 PM (YCeSE)

564 Hah, how quaint. You really think that anyone in DC wil ever reduce its power without violence.

Sometimes you guys are just so cute

Posted by: Iconoclast at June 28, 2012 11:19 PM (PxjPf)

565 Donabernathy

I think it is more like willing sodomy myself. These GOP believers just love to be butt-boys

Posted by: Iconoclast at June 28, 2012 11:23 PM (PxjPf)

566 Yeah,right.

You'll just fall right back in lime in the end again just like after every other time they sold you out, in many cases without you even realizing it. The republicans haven't advanced limited and constitutional government since ww2 - St. Reagan included.

Posted by: MlR at June 28, 2012 11:53 PM (tZEX7)

567 To remember, It was the republican leadership which refused to filibuster before Christmas that even passed the initial legislation. And this blog carried their water on it.

Posted by: MlR at June 28, 2012 11:57 PM (tZEX7)

568 Just got to this thread. Haven't read the comments.

Brilliant, DrewM. I agree 100%. I am so bloody sick and tired of "You better vote for the R, or else the D boogeyman will get you." Fuck that shit, starting right fucking now.

Posted by: rickl at June 29, 2012 12:12 AM (sdi6R)

569 "Here's my letter to the GOP after today's events at the Supreme Court:"

Agree with your sentiments 100%.

Onward!

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 29, 2012 12:18 AM (4s7w4)

570 Sarah Palin was right all along.

Posted by: section9 at June 29, 2012 12:25 AM (CUoon)

571 Repeal Obamacare? Piffle. We now have it on record that tax anti-waivers are, in fact, Constitutionally good. It's not time to think you can vote yourself out of this mess you voted yourself into. Rather it's time to embrace the wisdom of HL Mencken when he said: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

Embrace this for all it's worth. Everyone in the US is levied a tax anti-waiver of $60 per month, with a 9 month reprieve for a DE or other abortive service. A tax anti-waiver of $60 per month unless 2 cartons of cigarettes are purchased. A tax anti-waiver of $500 every 6 months unless a new Smith Wesson finds a home in the new gun safe you got a tax anti-waiver of $200 for. A tax anti-waiver of $10 weekly for not keeping a physical presence at religious services. Perhaps even a tax anti-waiver of $20 per month for failing to exercise your free-speech via vanity dead-tree press. But most importantly, a tax anti-waiver of $75 per month for neglect for arugula in your diet.

Whatever and whichever Justice changes their mind? Impeach them for allergy to dictionaries and let's get this Keynesian aggregate demand up. Can't be done without a tax anti-waiver of $25,000 per annum for failing to but a Chevy Volt and make good the public's nationalization of the car industry.

Posted by: Maus at June 29, 2012 12:41 AM (Z/Dr0)

572
The first act after GOP victory needs to be to secure the border and deport the illegals - right after being sworn in, as far away from the next election as possible. Otherwise, the economy still won't recover by 2014 or 2016, and the unemployment rate will still be sky high, and the budget deficit will still be enormous, and the demographics will move against us faster than you could ever think possible.
Everything else is a stalling tactic. Think Sotomayor (pronounced Soh-Toe-My-Yorrrrrrrr) is bad? Wait til you have 6 of 'em.

Posted by: Wilson at June 29, 2012 12:52 AM (VHfD4)

573 Sign me on, Drew.

Posted by: Alana at June 29, 2012 01:04 AM (V3ZL8)

574 Bush appointed Fng John.

Unpack and repack.

Posted by: ExpatPatriot at June 29, 2012 01:13 AM (5Z+oQ)

575 The first state that isn't land locked that announces secession from the union, I'm packing everything and getting my ass across that border ASAP. If the GOP doesn't follow through I believe this becomes a distinct possibility as the economy continues to get worse.

I'd rather die defending it than the slow miserable painful experience that would follow whatever is left of this country.

If the GOP takes power and dithers, the economy won't recover and we'll be looking at another Democrat takeover in 2016. Yeah, I agree. This is the GOPs last chance. Too many people would still be alive that will have been screwed over by the GOP. We won't choose between a masculine heavy handed version of socialism vs. a feminine, compassionate, and nurturing form of it. We reject both!

If you want to go to Washington as a conservative, expect to be disliked if you intent to uphold our principles. Go there, vote no and go as a Democrat. Because if you vote like a Democrat you'll be replaced with one.

Posted by: jimb at June 29, 2012 01:26 AM (Er/xb)

576 Mitt you better fucking rewrite this shit now.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution

Posted by: mig0 at June 29, 2012 01:27 AM (ZBp3f)

577
My local Republican party has done wonders for increasing freedom in my state. It's the ones who go to Washington DC who screw us. Please let me live long enough for a state like Texas to leave the Union so my kids can have a free home to grow up in.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 29, 2012 01:57 AM (71iUa)

578 93
>>Dammit, Heather. Obamabots most likely.

Or anyone who's
been a Democrat in the last 80 years. This whole concept of what other
people produce should be taken away and given to you, just because you
want it? FDR. LBJ. Obama's just building on the attitudes inculcated by
their work.

(Wilson? I know he was a Fascist, but I don't know enough about his attitude toward redistribution.)

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Anyone! And I do mean ANYONE who has been a Democrat! I've got otherwise reasonable friends who salivate at the thought of "free stuff"! They don't even NEED free stuff! They have no pride whatsoever!

Posted by: Alana at June 29, 2012 01:57 AM (V3ZL8)

579 You need to add one small addendum.

"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and whatever statute number has to be included) 'including any and all of it's provisions', is hereby repealed."

Otherwise they might pick and choose a few things to leave in to bite us in the posterior later.

Posted by: Mark at June 29, 2012 01:58 AM (UqY8b)

580 Yes, DrewM, this.

I am tired beyond belief of this scenario:

The Democrats are in power, so the Democrats get what they want.
The Republicans are in power, so the Democrats get what they want.

We need America back. Not America for the Democrats, or America for the Media, but America for THE PEOPLE.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 29, 2012 02:43 AM (i0App)

581 Just curious, what elements of the law do you dislike besides the mandate. Most of the main portions are originally Republican ideas and are STILL supported by the majority of Republicans. I think there is a lot more dislike for the word Obamacare and maybe the mandate, but the bill's components are actually very popular.

Posted by: Lilith at June 29, 2012 04:34 AM (HP1dU)

582 Lilith,

Popular doesn't mean "workable." The whole problem with the bill is the mandate is necessary to fund all those "wonderful provisions."

Popular also has no equivalence with "good" or "right" either. The slacker provision is bad law, no matter how many 20-something's like it. A 26 year old is a child? Since when? Guess we shouldn't be letting anyone under 40 vote then, huh?

The student loan federalization (accompanying the bill as another 'pay for OC provision') is a massive powergrab for the government.

Closing the so-called donut hole and removing pre-existing conditions 'sounds' great. Unfortunately, in real terms, they do the exact opposite of the bill's intent. They will drive UP the cost of HC, and reduce real access to insurance. People don't 'think' when they see these mentioned in polls. So naturally they say, "Oh yeah, that's awesome!" Eh, not so much.

Obamacare, in fact, is likely to drive UP the cost of health care. Just like Romneycare did in Mass. Even now, their legislature is fighting annually with the cost provisions of 'mandatory access,' because gov't can't afford it.

Not to mention all of this is a giant tax increase on the middle class. $2900 dollars a year for a family of four. Now add 'that' into their normal health care costs, and tell me that these things are 'good.'

Not so much. Prohibition was popular when it was passed too. Didn't make it good law.

Posted by: Shawn at June 29, 2012 06:42 AM (/lltO)

583
Drew, how many last chances after this last chance?
There have been many, many last chances, and after every one of them is compromised away into a loss, thereis alwaysone more last chance.

Posted by: Daedalus Mugged at June 29, 2012 08:08 AM (sWzdq)

584
This said what I have been thinking since yesterday but I am done giving chances.I want to ditch the media that failed us all with their biased coverage of issues and their failure to expose Barry for who he is. I want to ditch the GOP for not having the balls to push back the progressive hoard. I want to ditch the Dems for allowing themselves to become such megolomaniacs that they think they can tell us how to live. I want to slap those voters who seem to just have their hands out to take from the rest of working America and not give anything back. ENOUGH!!

Posted by: PissedArmyMom at June 29, 2012 08:48 AM (Rw3G9)

585 I've been saying this for a couple of years now. It's time to put the money down and draw the cards.
To tell the truth though, I think they are so entrenched in the 'old way' that they will cave and/or make a dog's breakfast out of it. At that point we need to trash them into the dustbin of history. While a third party may leave the libtard Demoncrats in charge for some time, I think we can take over at the margins, particularly if we can swing the money over to the new party.
Yesterday and today I am so disgusted with so-called Americans I can hardly write civilly. I went on a rant for some long time after I read the jackass decision from the Supreme Clowns. I fear that America is truly lost. We are become Greece. I don't know if there IS a way back.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 29, 2012 10:58 AM (EhYdw)

586 My sentiments exactly. Before reading this post I sent the Romney campaign a similar letter.

Posted by: The Obama Timeline Author at June 29, 2012 07:33 PM (gp4Y1)

587 I wrote the Russian and Canadian counsaletes. Time to look at moving. It's over for the USA. Canada is too socialist for me but they may have a change of heart. Russia looks like a good bet. They are moving more toward free enterprise all the time and I think this will be the end of Putin. He found out that the folks over there are tired of dictators. I would look at Australia if they weren't bringing all the muslims in. I just don't know where to go. Options for white guys are getting awfully narrow these days. Another 10 years and we will be an endangered species. Oh well, we had a good run while it lasted.

Posted by: itsme at July 05, 2012 05:09 PM (OnoNm)






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