OBAMACARE UPHELD

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Oh, no.

I'm drawing this from SCOTUSblog. They are still reading the decision, and say it's complicated. But for the moment, they say the mandate is okayed, as a "tax."

Roberts joined the liberals. The holding is apparently that it cannot be justified as a Commerce Clause power, but can be under the taxing power.

Medicaid expansion coercion limited but not thrown out. Again, via SCOTUSblog.

Further: The entire act is upheld, except for the Medicaid expansion, which is construed "narrowly." I assume that means they bless the law but signal to the executive they will impose limits in further adjudication.

Good Lord.

Roberts' vote saved the ACA -- so I guess 5-4 decisions are okay again.

Medicaid Limitation: Actually, they found for us on this, and yet the law still stands.

The majority opinion states:

TNothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding.

So the federal government may now only offer extra money to encourage Medicaid expansion-- but may not take away funds (as the law was written) to penalize them if they don't.

This essentially makes Medicaid expansion voluntary.

Who Wrote It? Roberts, I believe, wrote the main opinion. When he wrote that the Commerce Clause could not support ObamaCare, he was joined by the four conservatives. The four liberals dissented on that point, claiming the Commerce Clause gives Ultimate Ninja Power. I believe that concurrence is written by Ginsberg. (Actually it would be a concurrence in part, dissent in part.)

The dissent is written by... Kennedy. Kennedy finds the whole thing must come down, and cannot be justified as a "tax." But he only has four votes for that.

Doctor Flaming Skull from Slublog.

Posted by: Ace at 10:17 AM



Comments

1 Well, it's official. We no longer live in a limited constitutional republic.

Posted by: DocJ at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (A5uiv)

2 Well I told you so.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (FCfv5)

3 GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (nUH8H)

4 OK, lots more work to do

Posted by: BIG ROB at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (MuXag)

5 SHEOT!!!

Posted by: citizen khan at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (w/uCE)

6 Is this a joke? It's not funny.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (N2yhW)

7 Republican Supermajority, here we come.

Posted by: Stirner at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (nTjSs)

8 Win!

Posted by: Mortis at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (0cWkE)

9 Seriously, the court punted?
Nice.

Posted by: egd at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (XVGEg)

10 CNN says otherwise...

Posted by: AeroAg2012 at June 28, 2012 10:10 AM (Q5asM)

11 Hello fellow slaves! Anyone want to move to a free country?

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (5mx3x)

12 Weazel zippers says different.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (Why44)

13 Whu-- how can it be both unconstitutional and a tax?!

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (xiJmL)

14 BULLSHIT

Posted by: Crashpanic at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (9SN2s)

15 Fuck. Fuckity fuck-fuck.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (HzR5W)

16 Weren't we assured this wasn't going to be a tax?

I'm soooo fucking confused.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (rX1N2)

17 fucking shit

Posted by: Kerncon at June 28, 2012 10:11 AM (S4d07)

18 #11 Would love to. Can you name a free country?

Posted by: freemo at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (cwZoa)

19 Ben Franklin was right. Hello hard tyranny.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (mEgrM)

20 I'm utterly flabbergasted. How the hell do you call something that was specifically represented as "not a tax" and avoided using taxation language "a tax?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (nUH8H)

21 And this is how a nation dies.

Posted by: Phinn at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (KNtHw)

22 this makes ZERO sense

Posted by: BlackOrchid-TeamDagny at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (SB0V2)

23 So Bush appointed a lefty ???? Fuck you I hate Bush now more than the left

Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (MpDjI)

24 Ruling from both sides of the desk, I guess... idiots.

Posted by: Cynthia at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (lhhNH)

25 The Supreme Court sucks.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (pmDdf)

26 SCOTUS Blog: Roberts concurred on mandate . also: "The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated."

UGH!

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (0tRzD)

27 Yes. They turned on cursing AllenG. God damn mother fuckers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (nUH8H)

28 WTF!!

Posted by: seb5150 at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (m+jgv)

29 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!

Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (YFFpo)

30 Buy a gun, proles, or pay the tax.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (MMC8r)

31 Goddamn worthless bastards.

The U.S. Constitution is apparently a worthless piece of paper to these assholes.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (tuyMA)

32 They're threatening me!

Posted by: Kimberlin at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (ZytIl)

33 War.

Posted by: mbruce at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (Fr8N6)

34 It was fun,, I enjoyed being alive and pretending to be free.

Quitting work today. Permanently.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (5mx3x)

35 Hmmm,

I think we need true leaders, dissolution of the union may be the way to go. Just saying......

Posted by: TheGarbone at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (O3f8/)

36 WTF happened to Roberts?

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (GQ8sn)

37 OMG: "The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with
the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states'
Medicaid funds is narrowly read. "

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (pVvkk)

38 Roberts held the mandate is constitutional?! WTF?!!!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (mEgrM)

39 Can we wait an hour. Until the spittle, vile, and other stuff settles?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (ZHrEM)

40 Shit - voters better understand this!!!!!

REPEAL - REPEAL - REPEAL

STOCK MARKET WILL CRASH TODAY!!!!!

Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (hbRed)

41 Not sure what to make of it yet -- waiting to get the full report.

Posted by: CheshireLion at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (+8jA3)

42 I'm guessing we'll hear a lot less from the left about activist courts after this.

Posted by: pep at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (YXmuI)

43 Roberts hasn't "joined the liberals", he has become one.

Posted by: Jai at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (iocin)

44 "The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with
the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states'
Medicaid funds is narrowly read."

Damnit.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (HzR5W)

45 This country is toast.
Feeeeeeeeeck.

Posted by: chariots of toast at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (ksERZ)

46 If it's being upheld as a tax, then a future congress can overturn it.

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (B60j2)

47 Should have known another Repub appointee would stab us in the back.

Posted by: laddy at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (QmNJC)

48 We'll just have to repeal the whole damn thing next year then.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (VE5vJ)

49 Romney has his main issue now

Posted by: SamIam at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (VDpzM)

50 it's over, you can turn off the lights now.

Posted by: exceller at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (ROGMG)

51 scotusblog is punking you ...

Posted by: JeffC at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (A3tpD)

52 Nevermind it wouldn't have had enough votes as a tax according to the senate rule for raising taxes.

Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (iYvMQ)

53 Another goddamn squish judge appointed by a goddamn squish RINO president. There's a shocker for you.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (tuyMA)

54 Well, damn

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (a4lmz)

55
Well Roberts sure solidified his legacy.

Posted by: steve at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (fnJX1)

56 WHAT THE FUCK?

We now enter into a new age of American Fascism..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (f9c2L)

57 Hey, remember all those articles written about how the Court had lost all its honor and that Roberts was an evil right-wing hack?

Think we're going to see any walk-back now?

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (FCfv5)

58 we are truly fucked. no kiss good night, no nothing.

Posted by: mbruce at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (Fr8N6)

59 This was specifically sold as not a tax.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (+usC4)

60 Because the taxing power is infinite, peasants.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (pMGkg)

61 I'm not surprised. This country is on a trajectory to fucking hell and has been for a long time. Nothing is going to stop that...apparently.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (vOMX+)

62 I am very confused.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (xiJmL)

63
So,
Does this mean we can at least stick obama with raising taxes? Or are we hosed period.

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (22rSN)

64 Keep in mind that the unlimited federal power we were worried about under the commerce clause has been stopped.

Posted by: SamIam at June 28, 2012 10:14 AM (VDpzM)

65 What a fucked set of opinions

Posted by: Greg Q at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (4Pleu)

66 Why am I still in this country?

Posted by: nuclearjim at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (NaIQb)

67 Dammit! Didn't take Roberts long to turn.

Posted by: Hoystory at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (90bcT)

68 Well, that's that. Dropping my health care insurance asap. The 'tax' is cheaper and I still get care IF I get in an accident, or sick(no denial of pre-existing condition).

Posted by: Lizabth at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (JZBti)

69 Only way to get rid of this now is to get rid of Obama in November.......

Posted by: djm1992 at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (1o4B5)

70 Wheeee!! Look, no hands!!!!

Posted by: Dow Jones Industrial Average at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (HzR5W)

71 mother fucker

Posted by: RWC at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (fWAjv)

72 Goodbye America.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (t2cnv)

73 The Supreme Court just sided with Nancy Pelosi's interpretation of the Constitution.

Posted by: STUNNED at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (AzwZn)

74 Oh, My God! If this is a tax, then a future congress can add to it as well as overturn it, every couple of years just to keep everybody pissing in the wind.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (9U1OG)

75 Wait. If it is a Tax? What is the treatement in re. to Anti Injunction?
If a tax, they would be barred per Anti Injunction Act to decide until the tax is enacted.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (QWOh7)

76 Mandate is constitutional as a tax, not a commerce clause exercise. There's something here that we're not understanding. SCOTUSBlog is reading it under the gun.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:15 AM (RD7QR)

77 Wel. Motherfucker.

Get Romney elected. Repeal that shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (VtjlW)

78 NOW we need to load congress with conservatives and libertarians to overturn it.

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (B60j2)

79 FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

Posted by: American's citizens at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (hDSyL)

80 If this stands, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, that the goddamn federal government can't do to you or force you to do to yourself. Congrats America.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (tuyMA)

81 CNN has headline "mandate struck down"

in other news, Dewey defeats Truman

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (OXWdU)

82 @57 he is an evil hack. Who the fuck cares what the media says now?

As usual, the Republicans win elections and lose on policy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (pmDdf)

83 We won!

Posted by: Obumbles' Teleprompter at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (Kkt/i)

84 2nd Look at Nullification via the States?

And, no, I don't care that it would completely wreck our system of laws- the laws no longer protect us from Government Tyranny (their actual job) and instead serve to subjugate us to tyrannical government.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (nUH8H)

85 2016 President Rick Perry, Every American is required to purchase a firearm
YAHOOO

Posted by: liontoot at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (xk0Xg)

86 At least the Commerce Clause was finally not applied.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (+usC4)

87 SCOTUS blog says Roberts' vote saved the whole mess.

So now we'll be treated to endless fawning profiles in vanity Fair of how Roberts' "grew" in office.

Posted by: Jabba the Hutt at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (sbV1u)

88 10:15Tom:Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (B/yDO)

89 "Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA."

Is there an impeachment provision for Supreme Court justices?

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (HzR5W)

90 Fucking Judge Roberts betrayed us?

Fuck this shit.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (cmVhL)

91
Swell. I predicted a 6-3 kick in the nuts the other day. What do I win?

Oh, yeah. Right. Eternal slavery.

Good times.

Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (4I3Uo)

92 Fuck you Bush!

Fuck you!

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 10:16 AM (XYqoq)

93 Heartbeat tax.

Posted by: fluffy at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (z9HTb)

94 Good Lord - bad prognosticator.

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (knMIa)

95 I don't care what your feelings were to this point about Romney--if you cannot tell that the fate of this country rests on the outcome of November 6, then you are a the worst kind of traitor to your friends, family, and fellow citizens.

These guys have got to go.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (B+qrE)

96 If it is a tax why is it not unconstitutional because it did not originate in the House as required by the Constitution?

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (YdQQY)

97 SCOTUS Blog: "Chief Justice Roberts' vote saved the ACA."

My head just sploded.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (pVvkk)

98 @philipaklein SCOTUS: Mandate "may reasonably be characterized as a tax." It survives.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (d6QMz)

99 I want a tax to force people to buy my goods!!

Let me see.
Abortion
Ability to take my property and give to another
Ability to 'tax' me into buying a product.

FUCK THEM!

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (hm8tW)

100
If this stands, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, that the goddamn federal government can't do to you or force you to do to yourself.

My years as Madame Speaker are not in vain!

Posted by: Nancy the Pelosi at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (yPNqR)

101 Roberts voted to uphold!

Kennedy dissented!

AAAGGGHH!!

Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (p8FXV)

102 Okay. Now we Need conservatives in congress more than ever.

God damnit, I am now begging you to five money to and help out by volunteering for David Steinhof. we have a Kennedy to beat. Www dot davidsteinhof dot con. And my personal phone number is 401 578 0017

God dammit we need you guys now

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone snob at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (I2LwF)

103 Operation Counterweight commencing!

Posted by: chaz at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (oJGIR)

104 F-CK!!
Ok, folks, we know what we have to do -

EVERY SINGLE MAN AND WOMAN YOU CAN GET NEEDS TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY IN THE FALL AND FOR EVERY LOCAL SENATE AND HOUSE RACE THAT HAS A CONSERVATIVE NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!

This is the only way we can toss out this garbage now!!

No point crying over the "spilled milk" of the SCOTUS ruling. We've got a TON of work to do now.

Posted by: Janir at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (VGU7i)

105 So, Roberts takes the heat off Kennedy. What a nice guy.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (iuHbc)

106 Biggest tax increase in the history of the US?

Congratulations, Obama.

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (Ky1+e)

107 So, if it is a tax, SCOTUS can't rule on a tax until it is has accually been collected right?

So does that mean that they will rule on it again (just the mandate) once the tax has started to be taking from the People?

Posted by: momma at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (sYijI)

108 64
Keep in mind that the unlimited federal power we were worried about under the commerce clause has been stopped.

----------

Yeah, but we've traded it for the "You haven't bought enough broccoli this year" tax.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (1c58W)

109 Alternate Title: Lefties Fall Back in Love with the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 10:17 AM (SzAZ7)

110 Wow.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (caAEA)

111 And the SCOTUS Blog words that will be imprinted on our brains:
"Chief Justice Roberts vote saved ACA."
My friends. This is quite bad.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (QWOh7)

112 When did a fine become a tax?

Posted by: liontooth at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (xk0Xg)

113 Bush's legacy just took a big hit today. His most conservative accomplishments were supposed to be his supreme court nominations. One of them let us down big today.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (gmeXX)

114 Predictable. Well, I think I'm going to go out and start stockpiling ammo now. This ruling completely tips the scales away from local state-based governance to absolute and endless federal rule. This ship is going down hard, brace for impact.

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (HS3dy)

115 GW Bush: the gift that keeps on giving. Yes, he put Alito on the Court but that's only because the right revolted when he wanted Harriett Miers.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (JxMoP)

116 Everybody note just how quite the Media/left is now going to get about the propriety of "5-4 decisions" and how horrible the Court is.

Just watch. All that bitching from last week? Going to disappear.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (FCfv5)

117 I am so at a loss for words.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (N2yhW)

118 Time for civil disobedience, I think.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (5mx3x)

119 I've been trying to figure out exactly how this was going to affect my small business (with 5 hourly employees)for the last couple of years with no success. This decision makes it even more complicated.

Anybody got any ideas?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (rX1N2)

120 I don't care what your feelings were to this point about Romney--if you
cannot tell that the fate of this country rests on the outcome of
November 6, then you are a the worst kind of traitor to your friends,
family, and fellow citizens.



Nov 6 will not fix this. We are screwed because it is impossible to get 60 votes in the Senate and spineless Republicans will not go nuclear.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (YdQQY)

121 I feel like I just took a 5-4 shot to the nuts. I seriously cannot believe what I am reading.

Posted by: Bluegrass Conservative at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (SEkXG)

122

This really is surreal.

Thug tactics work.

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (HOOye)

123 Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Tax and spend.

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (Ky1+e)

124 WTF?

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:18 AM (As94z)

125 Roberts just elected Romney President.

Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (/s1LA)

126 Not GilCup!

God, how I hate those freaks. But, no surprises really.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (Qxdfp)

127 You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Posted by: taylork at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (ppNDn)

128 How many of those hardcore conservatives are going to sit out Mittens now?

Posted by: liontooth at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (xk0Xg)

129
Why bother. We CANNOT stop socialism.
The crap is a fait accompli.
We really should just stop fighting, protesting, caring.
What's the point?
Have we had any successes?

no.

All we do is slow it down.

Posted by: steve at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (fnJX1)

130 How long do I have before I'm taken into custody as an 0bama political prisoner?

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (myanI)

131 So long America and thanks for all the fish!

Posted by: Nevyan at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (xkAwC)

132 FUCK

Posted by: American's citizens at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (hDSyL)

133 So what happened to the whole anti-injunction thing?

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (+usC4)

134 I got a bad vibe from Roberts when he told conservatives to shut up about Kagan recusing herself.

Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (5pjC0)

135 If Romney does not win in 2012, I am emigrating.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (jWvMW)

136 Um, capitation tax, anyone? How on earth is that constitutional?

Did the government even argue this from the standpoint of taxation? WTF?

Posted by: CTD at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (RurGt)

137 40
....


STOCK MARKET WILL CRASH TODAY!!!!!

Yup! I was out before today...

Posted by: Janir at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (VGU7i)

138 Well now that it is a officially a tax does Obamas promise not to raise taxes one dime on the under $250k crowd still stand?

Posted by: evil libertarian at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (UDr7w)

139 Sounds like Roberts let it slide as a "TAX"... so now Obama will have to defend his Tax hikes....

still total bull

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (Bxm/r)

140 So, which Congressman is going to introduce a "eat broccoli or pay a massive tax" bill?

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (XYqoq)

141 So, in order to uphold the mandate, they had to read the statute against the plain language and expand the federal taxing power. Thank god we have such masters of jurisprudence guiding us.

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (mt3j2)

142 I refuse to give liberals any of my tears to drink.

Posted by: Killface at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (SEO/0)

143 Who cares now, we're fucked. We're just voting for another progressive in Romney who will turn around and fuck us six ways to Sunday just as Obama has. Obviously Roberts, whom wethought was a constitutional conservative wasn't, so there you have it. We're surrounded.
Can I have some Obama money now? I give up. I need a cigarette and I don't even smoke.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (9U1OG)

144 Fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck those assholes sideways with a rusty shiv. Roberts, you cock-sucking prick.

Predicted Romney bounce in the polls from this miserable clusterfuck: +4

Posted by: OSUsux at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (jAyh4)

145 Reagan said America was the last best hope of liberty. Where can I move? I am willing to start over.

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (hm8tW)

146 If Romney doesn't go 180 and stop with the finger in the wind, we're gonna need a new candidate in Tampa.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (tQHzJ)

147 Holly cow the MSM are have orgasms all over the screen. Just said Romney won't be able to repeal because dems will still have super majority proof minority. Fuckin unpopular law shoved up our asses and yet another godam tax!

Posted by: Last conservative in IL at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM (H5QTl)

148 125 Roberts just elected Romney President.

Sure as hell hope so

Posted by: American's citizens at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (hDSyL)

149 A conservative Congress can fix this.

The only wildcard:

Romney.

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (B60j2)

150 119 Anybody got any ideas?

Yes, yes I do.

Vodka.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (Qxdfp)

151 6-3, really?

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (yrohn)

152 Here's the money quote: "The money quote from the section on the mandate:
Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the
exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A
need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to
sustain it"

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (RD7QR)

153 Go fuck yourself to hell Roberts.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (cmVhL)

154 Sorry, getting conflicting info, now i'm hearing it was 6-3.

I'm going to back to work now.

Posted by: Gran at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (p8FXV)

155 So threatening the court works.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (KZI7g)

156 What does the minority decision say? I thought Ginsburg wrote that one.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (5H6zj)

157
>>Bush's legacy just took a big hit today. His most conservative accomplishments were supposed to be his supreme court nominations.

Agreed. Roberts has figured out a way to make you utter those immortal words.. "I'm proud of Justice Kennedy."

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (yPNqR)

158 Fuck Roberts, fuck Bush. Fuck republicans.

I will not purchase health insurance. I would sooner be unemployed on food stamps.

Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (TULs6)

159 So did my taxes just triple, or only double?


Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (Ky1+e)

160 If this is a tax, was it passed correctly through congress?

Also - Obama raised taxes.

Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (obXkJ)

161 The fix is in, no point in voting or paying any taxes or cooperating in any way with the government.

They own us all.

They expect slaves to complain, so even complaining is pointless.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (5mx3x)

162 For an encore, how about an unprecedented speech?

Posted by: President Kool Kat at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (/ZZCn)

163 If Romney is smart he'll come out and slam this immediately, reiterating his pledge to repeal it.

Immediately.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (xiJmL)

164 The economy is going to nosedive now.

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (ejmiE)

165 How is this a fucking tax? Tax on what?

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (N2yhW)

166 WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

Amy Howe:The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (B/yDO)

167 It's now official: George W Bush screwed us on the Supreme Court picks, too. Thanks, John Roberts.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (aGX9l)

168 Sad thing is.Romney won't push for repeal even if he wins

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (a4lmz)

169 SB: The money
quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that
Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the
taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than
impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.


The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.




Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (X6akg)

170 We're starting to sound like the Left: attacking the court for results we don't like. This law was created via the political process and willl live or die via the political process. Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (9KqcB)

171 Slu, thank you for the doctor skull.

I will need to read the decision but if this was struck down under the Commerce Clause but is a tax, then, well, I don't know. We're into an area that I freely admit I know very little about. If it's a tax, though, that heaves the mandate into a whole other cesspool of precedent. I may be utterly wrong on this, but I think an individual challenge can be brought that this was not passed properly as a tax bill. Again, I could be utterly utterly utterly wrong on that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (VtjlW)

172 First act of the Republican Congress in 2013: Impeach the Chief Justice and replace him with someone concerned with liberty and the Constitution.

Posted by: Ninjaneer at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (RLX8Z)

173 146 If Romney doesn't go 180 and stop with the finger in the wind, we're gonna need a new candidate in Tampa.
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^This.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (5H6zj)

174 Tax on me breathing?

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (N2yhW)

175 Dear Obama,


November is going to be very busy, what with you packing and getting your ass out of the White House. I suggest you start packing NOW, to save time later.


Sincerely,

MWR

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (CA2NO)

176 If it's being upheld as a tax, then a future congress can overturn it.


Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:13 AM (B60j2)

lol

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (tw6Ar)

177
If it is a tax why is it not unconstitutional because it did not originate in the House as required by the Constitution?
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It did originate from the house. The senate pulled a (house) passed bill out of the trash can and amended it with the health care bill, then sent it back to the house.
Everything about it was a sham.

Posted by: Hal Burton at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (iYvMQ)

178 Prediction - the backlash against this decisionis going to monumental; it will make the Kelo backlash look like a termite mound next to a mountain...

Posted by: Hari Seldon, Psychohistorian at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (C0Mkm)

179 166 That's what i want to know - they can tax us but not enforce it?

Posted by: justJ at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (PyYUJ)

180 Huh?? Amy Howe: The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

Posted by: Infidel of the Day at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (0bprY)

181 " The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

I an refuse to pay taxes? Well, that's a relief.

Posted by: Bluegrass Conservative at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (SEkXG)

182 But apparently this is good for Romney?

Posted by: taylork at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (ppNDn)

183 ROBERTS IS A FUCKING DICK!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (1ha9G)

184 Speechless

Posted by: dananjcon at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (eavT+)

185 Time for civil disobedience, I think.

So when is time for some uncivil disobedience?

Congratulations, America, after fighting a war to redeem the idea that All Men are Created Equal and end slavery, you've decided that Slavery just didn't go far enough.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (nUH8H)

186

Amy Howe: The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.


eh?

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:21 AM (HOOye)

187 Another gift of noblesse oblige from the Bush family - - justices who reliably uphold the continued destruction of our Constitution.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (iuHbc)

188 68 Well, that's that. Dropping my health care insurance asap. The 'tax' is cheaper and I still get care IF I get in an accident, or sick(no denial of pre-existing condition).

You hit the nail on the head.....

Pay the fine - wait until you need insurance, now
you are guaranteed coverage.....
Problem is - the USA will be one large Cuba...
Shitty government doctors who make nothing
and don't give a shit.
Maybe the US doctors can band together and go buy their own country?

The US will soon be a 4th world country.....
Maybe we can move to Mexico and join the cartels?

Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (hbRed)

189 @120, Exactly. And worse than that, this sets a SCOTUS precedent that the federal government literally has unlimited power when it comes to taxation. If they can force an individual and private company to buy something, it can do ANYTHING. Even if we do get 2/3 of Congress + Romney to repeal the thing, that precedent still stands, and that means we're just one election cycle away from something even worse than Obamacare.

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (HS3dy)

190 Who do I trust , Me Clemenza thats who!!!!!
I will get really fine in Scotchland today.

Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (qA9lG)

191 Wow, so all the while we were worried about Kennedy, Roberts was warming up his cock to stick it in our ass.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (UU0OF)

192 To reverse engineer this into a valid justification as a tax when the word tax was never mentioned in 2,700 pages of it despite the broad authoritative powers the law provides makes it quite clear that Roberts never was on board to allow the court to rule on constitutional grounds in terms of individual liberty.
The highest court in the land has been politicized through outside influence by the left.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (QWOh7)

193 Amy Howe:The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (YdQQY)

194 0bama: "It's not a tax" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

Romney needs to play this 24 hours a day through November...

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (myanI)

195 Romney wins 50 states

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (WR5xI)

196 We need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (XYqoq)

197 I agree with 170. This *could* be a better result.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (yrohn)

198 I'm sure Romney will make some dandy SCOTUS appointments with the help of John Sununu. Like Souter. Like W did with Roberts. Pity you didn't get Harriet Miers.

Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (AZGON)

199 good news, actually. it will be easier just to repeal a tax...

Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (bPKsO)

200 Amy Howe:The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.


Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (B/yDO)



Yeah, right. Because that makes sense. Bullshit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (CA2NO)

201 This is the Dred Scott decision of our day... All morons, make sure you are registered to vote ( especially if you are dead or illegal ) and vote in November, maybe even twice!

Posted by: Mr Tea at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (QpR9Y)

202 So Scalia was pissed monday for a damn good reason...

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (Bxm/r)

203 From SCOTUSblog- The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts): "Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." (p. 55)

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (d6QMz)

204 So ends the American experiment. We had a good run but we knew it had to end.

Posted by: Finrod at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (WnBwb)

205 Thousands of pudding cups hit the ceiling.

Posted by: DaveA at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (EyTMo)

206 @119

Fire a few people and/or close.

Posted by: idiot at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (S/hBA)

207 "Lyle:The
key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts):
"Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the
ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that
states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use.
What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to
participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid
funding." (p. 55)"

At least there's *that*. Cold comfort, but still...

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (HzR5W)

208 America had a nice run, but its over now.

Posted by: Ryan Aaron at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (uFyxE)

209 Bad, bad, very bad

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (DD2Ty)

210 So if this is now a "tax", it can be repealed a lot easier can't it?

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

211 SCOTUS is the last line of defense, as far as protecting individual rights from Congress, and it has done a pretty sucky job in the last few years. This shit? After Kelo? We really need to take America back from the fascists.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (As94z)

212 How is this a fucking tax? Tax on what?

Existence. You owe Obama for being alive.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (KF/Jh)

213 So, given an either/or choice between calling it a tax and calling it a commerce clause exercise, the court decided tax rather than the third alternative, which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BITCHES. Great. First move of President Romney and the Republican Congress after being sworn in in January: Change the rules to destroy the filibuster and then repeal this abortion.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (RD7QR)

214 Roberts just elected Romney President.


Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM


Sorry, dude. Roberts just made it clear that Obama can do any fucking thing he wants to.

Any. Fucking. Thing.

And that, obviously, includes making up some new rules for November.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (MQc8e)

215 Here comes civil war...

Posted by: Tunkhannock at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (3AOLv)

216 United States of America, Constitutional Republic, 1776-2012. RIP.

Posted by: I.M. at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (1HVeO)

217
Early start to the hagiography:

John Roberts' Moment: The Chief Justice Weighs Image and Principle in Obamacare Decision
TIME (blog)‎ - 4 hours ago



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (kdS6q)

218 Rage and energy on the right just got dialed up to 11. Say goodbye to President Obama and hello to President Romney.

Posted by: DriveBy at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (C9Vc8)

219 Imagine the acrimony between the Roberts and the right wing of the court right now.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (+usC4)

220 18
#11 Would love to. Can you name a free country?


Posted by: freemo at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (cwZoa)

I hear empire of jeff is taking applications for citizenship.

Posted by: Flounder at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (Kkt/i)

221 So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (t06LC)

222 I'm gonna let a few more facts come in and dwell on this before I get livid.

Posted by: Countrysquire at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (1hLHC)

223 Is this finally the GD hill to die on?

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (N2yhW)

224 Anybody whose been paying attention to Supreme Court Commerce Clause jurisprudence knew that this was anything but a slam-dunk case. Frankly, I'm surprised that we actually got it all the way to the Supreme Court. The notion of a federal republic died during the New Deal era with Wickard v. Filburn.

Basically, the Supremes are just confirming what we already know: there are no real Constitutional limits on what Congress is allowed to do. The Commerce Clause, as interpreted over the past seventy years, bascially allows them to do whatever they want.

Romney may swear that he'll push to repeal the law, and may sign some executive order to allow states to opt out of certain provisions, but come end of day, we're stuck with this piece of shit. It's a cold comfort to know that this will simply accelerate our rocket-sled ride to fiscal oblivion.

DOOM.

Posted by: Monty at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (4Pleu)

225 Hah suck it, CNN is reporting "obama has raised taxes on middle class americas."

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (22rSN)

226 Looks like November is the last chance to assert that Americans are still a free people. Let's not disappoint

Posted by: mugiwara at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (D5hxK)

227 Question. If this is a tax, doesn't that only require 51 senators to remove?

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (gmeXX)

228 @philipaklein Breyer and Kagan joined Roberts in ruling Medicaid expansion violates the Constitution.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (d6QMz)

229 We're starting to sound like the Left: attacking the
court for results we don't like. This law was created via the political
process and willl live or die via the political process. Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:20 AM (9KqcB)


THIS

Buck up and vote, send cash and volunteer. Sad as it is to say, Romney's your only hope now.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (sbV1u)

230 Roberts hasn't "joined the liberals", he has become one.

Ginsburg must have given him one hell of a Hummer.
IYKWIMAITYD!

Posted by: Paladin at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (ycm4Q)

231 @170 the court sucks. It always sucked. I was cautioning people not to think the Supreme Court was going to rule correctly.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (iy7de)

232 181 " The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

Well hell, I will stop paying taxes all together then!

Posted by: izoneguy at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (hbRed)

233 Good thing it is a tax, not under commerce clause

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (WR5xI)

234 I hear a sound coming out of Alaska...

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (B60j2)

235 ...getting louder...

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (B60j2)

236
I have refused to vote for Romney to this point. He can win my vote today if he becomes the face of the movement to overturn Obamacare.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (aPkU9)

237 As I was taught early on Effem All Let God sort em out of office.

Posted by: Clemenza at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (qA9lG)

238


"The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

Really? How does that work?

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (Ky1+e)

239

THIS is why Scalia was out of control.

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (HOOye)

240 "The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate." Which means what since the government has the power to throw you in jail for not paying taxes?

Posted by: Drew in MO at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (Ngi7s)

241 Been a nice 236 years.

Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (auGuV)

242 Did the SCOTUS jurists get an exemption from the percentage tax on home sales that will go to ZeroCare? Does it get passed on to their kids? Do they and all their descendents get gold-plated health care as congress critters?

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (tQHzJ)

243
So how is it exactly that we can refuse to pay the tax to comply with the mandate? The IRS says, ok - we'll just audit you every year for the rest of your miserable life?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (Qxdfp)

244 This makes it easier to get rid of-

under Reconciliation.

It does not PRESERVE it-

under the Necessary and Proper Clause--

or the Commerce Clause.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (r2PLg)

245 "NOW we need to load congress with conservatives and libertarians to overturn it."

I hate to be the one to say it, because you guys are going to jump on my ass, but if you're pinning your hopes on Romney appointees being better than Roberts, you've got high hopes (to put it as tactfully as possible).

Stick a fork in us - we're fucked.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (rX1N2)

246 Time for the Republic of Texas to rise again.

Remember the Alamo and the Obamablow!

Posted by: TexBob at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (pUOpM)

247 Why didn't Scalia or Thomas write the dissenting opinion? Just seems so odd to me.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (5H6zj)

248 Basically, the Supremes are just confirming what we already know: there are no real Constitutional limits on what Congress is allowed to do. The Commerce Clause, as interpreted over the past seventy years, bascially allows them to do whatever they want.

Monty, from what I'm hearing the holding is that the mandate fails under the Commerce Clause but is upheld as a tax.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (VtjlW)

249 So, essentially we have to wait until 2014 - until this "goes into effect" - before another challenge can be brought before SCOTUS.

At least it was declared unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause.

Unfortunately, this is going to raise EVERYONE'S taxes, because as I understand it, everyone is required to carry insurance equivalent to the percentage amount that corresponds to their income level, whether or not their insurance costs that much.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (0xqzf)

250 Well, on the plus side, the economic collapse will make it seem insignificant in the general scheme of things. So , woo hoo?

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (HNn1q)

251
Shorter ruling: If they penalize failure to comply with a tax, they can order ANYTHING.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (MMC8r)

252 This means more than ever-

we have to VOTE-

the DEMS OUT.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (r2PLg)

253 JOHN ROBERTS PUNTED!!!! JOHN, YOU WEAK LITTLE MAN! YOUR NEW NAME SHALL BE "NOBALLS"!

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (H7qBA)

254
>>>Romney's your only hope now.
Good God.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (yPNqR)

255 Voting for Mitt isn't gonna fix shit. The goverent has mandate power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (iy7de)

256 good news, actually. it will be easier just to repeal a tax...
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (bPKsO)

This deserves consideration.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (9KqcB)

257
For the environmental health of our Nation.... I am now requiring that all citizens are required to purchase a new Chevy Volt.

I won.

FYNQ.

Posted by: The PResident of the United States at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (C8hzL)

258 So if this is now a "tax", it can be repealed a lot easier can't it?


Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

once again.....HAHA

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (tw6Ar)

259 this is gonna be one awesome campaign

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (WR5xI)

260 "The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

Really? How does that work?


Posted by: Dang


Really? Are they saying I have the right to go to prison?

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (Ky1+e)

261 Take a deep breath people - it is very unpopular, and Romney will campaign on it, and so will many other house and senate candidates. Especially when they present other already presented solutions.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (6uXZa)

262 So, Roberts endorses the bait-and-switch tactic wherein Congress lies and touts a bill as having no taxes, then the Executive defending it as a non-tax (wink, wink) to sneak by the Supreme Court. (See also: Security, Social.)

Another useless Ivy League law degree.

Posted by: logprof at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (TgZVh)

263 This is Cloward-Piven large. The progressives (R and D) are winning. They almost took the world down with *free housing for everyone*. This is the final nail if it stands.

Posted by: twodogspanting at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (rc5Tb)

264 Rick Perry for President, Republic of Texas 2012

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (Bxm/r)

265 245 "NOW we need to load congress with conservatives and libertarians to overturn it."
-----
I hate to be the one to say it, because you guys are going to jump on my ass, but if you're pinning your hopes on Romney appointees being better than Roberts
------
POTUS doesn't appoint Congress.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (5H6zj)

266 I feel like I did the night Obama was elected. Is 7:30 in the morning too early to start drinking? This sucks, large.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (RZ8pf)

267 Is this finally the GD hill to die on?


Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM


Yup, and I can only think of Winston Smith: "we are the dead."

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (MQc8e)

268 Imagine telling those guys in Philadelphia in 1789 that one day Congress would levy a tax on "being alive."

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (/kI1Q)

269 76 Mandate is constitutional as a tax,

--------

That just doesn't make sense.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (ioQWm)

270 Listen to Monty, folks. He speaks the truth.

Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (AZGON)

271 Well this just lost Obama the election. Too bad he permanently fucked the place over in his short stint.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (jucos)

272 Y'know, I'm actually glad that the proxy my work uses is now banned at the HQ. I'd spend too long bitching about this.

But those of you who were saying that the 16th Amendment was the one that needed to be repealed? I think you're right.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (zIBKJ)

273 He should have replaced Roberts with Harriet Miers.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (Ec6wH)

274 249 So, essentially we have to wait until 2014 - until this "goes into effect" - before another challenge can be brought before SCOTUS.


*******

No I think this makes it easier to get rid of--with the budget maneuver of Reconciliation.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (r2PLg)

275 F*CK!!!

Well now I have a reason to truly support Romney in November...

Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (KSeSW)

276 Resuming prep for CWII. They should impeach every shitstain that voted to uphold this and then try them for treason and execute them along with everyone that voted for it in the first place.

Posted by: Silentbrick at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (4rnrm)

277
good news, actually. it will be easier just to repeal a tax...
Posted by: Mark X





Can you think of one that's been repealed? I'm drawing a blank.

The income tax was originally to pay for WWI, so I don't have great hopes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (kdS6q)

278 America is done.

Posted by: nraendowment at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (Msv+6)

279 One thing, all those companies waiting to hire a 50th employee just decided not to do it. Unemployment to worsen and recession to deepen.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (DD2Ty)

280 "The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

How bout refusing to pay ALL taxes. Same meaning.

Posted by: TexBob at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (pUOpM)

281 This is very bad and it is convoluted. The 500B taken from medicare apparently is invalid.
What in theory the court is allowing has been neutered in practicality and this appears to be the grand bargain Roberts likely struck behind the scenes and was how the Arizona law's paper check aspect was maintained.
This court did not do the right thing here and is further deligitimizing its own integrity by issuing something as convoluted as this.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (QWOh7)

282 SCOTUSblog-

Amy Howe: The Court does not reach severability issues, having upheld the mandate 5-4.

Lyle: To readers of the Roberts opinion, a caution: It is the opinion of the Court through the top of p. 44; the balance is labeled as, and is, Roberts speaking for himself.

Amy Howe: The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (d6QMz)

283 Our backs are to the wall, there is no other place to go, the fight starts here and doesn't stop until we are free of Washington's tyranny.

Posted by: Chicago Voter at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (qAGZa)

284 Mmmmmm suck it bitches

Posted by: baracka obama at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (GzYVK)

285 Sort of makes you want to sing the old songs at the 4th doesn't it? Land of the Free, home of the brave......

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (l3vZN)

286 states cannot be penalized for choosing not to participate in the program

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (myanI)

287 Now we've got this being described as a "big win for Obama"? After it was called a lose-lose proposition either way? Huh? The Dems don't brag about this in their campaigns, so it remains as something for them to try to run away from.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (As94z)

288 If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51 senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax, now that Roberts affirmed it was.

All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (gmeXX)

289 I'm coughing up some cash to Romney. I'll volunteer, make phone calls. I never did stuff like that before but this is the biggest defining moment for the US since the civil war. Another term of that piece of shit wold be the end of democracy.

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (1ha9G)

290 Well folks this it it. Goodbye USA. This is the second great step in nationalizing the Health Care system in the US.

Communism here we come.

I am signing off for the day. I will go out and mow grass before the 100° heat wave comes in and then get drunk.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (YdQQY)

291 America: Nice while it lasted.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (i0App)

292 So IOW we don't have to got to Court to get rid of it--

we HAVE to WIN-

The Presidency and the Senate--hold the House.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (r2PLg)

293 Do they and all their descendents get gold-plated health care as congress critters?

***

I think legislators and SCOTUS are exempt from this shit sandwich. They don't have to live under the rules they impose on us, you see.

It's a goddamn oligarchy/plutocracy

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (jm/9g)

294 States can opt out so that alone may be a poison pill

Posted by: SamIam at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (VDpzM)

295 I read the mandate and we dont really have to pay the tax unless its cleared up by the IRS to be unenforcable by them because congress gave it no teeth.Should be intersting to see who challenges that,In 2014 when it takes effect,assuming it survives the Romney administration,assuming that actually happens. So what else is on the news?

Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (X4l3T)

296 Sorry, but voting is no longer good enough to restore our republic

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (HLFzM)

297 Scalia's dissent should be a fun read

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (a4lmz)

298 If Congress can tax what it otherwise can't legislate... does this mean we can pass an "abortion tax"???

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (XYqoq)

299 Hey, Roberts and SCOTUS didn't give a crap about the Constitution when a marxist USURPER started squatting in the White House.

Why would they care about the Constitution when POTUS is not even POTUS?

All you after-birthers deserve Obamacare. Prick isn't even legally president. Two of the justices are not even seated legally. The USURPER can't seat Kagan and Sotomayer.

Suckers. This is all a big joke.

Article I Sec. II - Natural Born Citizen.

Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (uRPLL)

300 >>POTUS doesn't appoint Congress.

He just appoints the judges that uphold or overturn Congress. Any repeal (which isn't going to happen anyway) is going to be challenged in court before the ink dries on Romney's signature.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (/kI1Q)

301 This was a personal gift from Roberts to Kennedy. He spared him from being forever remembered as a spineless quisling.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (iuHbc)

302 Mandates are good? Fine. Mandate gun ownership and put a 50 year prison sentence on those not in compliance. Those fuckers released the genie, let's make good use of it.

Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (Tlix5)

303 What a bunch of bozo's....the one person who is happiest right now is the inventor of Obamacare, the guy whose beloved mandate has survived, do you really think we are going to vote for Romneycare now? He should be considered just as much a traitor as Roberts. Romneycare is probably smiling up a storm knowing that he can pretend to be angry at the court for upholding his baby and still get away with it.

Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (gUGI6)

304 "The Court holds that the Anti-Injunction Act doesn't apply because the label "tax" is not controlling."
Translation: It's a tax, but it's not a tax.
Roberts also gave Obama a free out.

Posted by: egd at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (XVGEg)

305 Wonder what this'll do to ammo sales.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (Ec6wH)

306 You are free to NOT vote Democrat, but failure to do so carries a heavy tax.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (MMC8r)

307 So my theory was correct, they waited until the last day to avoid the angry mobs outside their offices.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (HzR5W)

308 We're all fucked now...

Terrible precent... Congress can basically do anything as long as they call it a tax...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (Umv2b)

309 so obama has passed the largest TAX IN AMERICAN HISTORY--cloaked under a B.S. healthcare bill....

wow.

2010--take house
now last chance to save America from the really scary communists!!-
must :
2012--take whitehouse and senate...
have to vote every demoncrates out of the govt...

Posted by: nygal at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (+/c0N)

310 271
Well this just lost Obama the election. Too bad he permanently fucked the place over in his short stint.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (jucos)
* * *
He doesn't care. His work is done now.

Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (B60j2)

311 266 Is 7:30 in the morning too early to start drinking?

Well, it's only 7:27, but by 7:30 - by all means. I've already got the shaker down and opened a fresh jar of jalapeno olives.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (Qxdfp)

312 This is important:
Tom:Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

313 What the fuck?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, Pissed Prole at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (teRpc)

314 What do we need in the Senate to get rid of this shit sandwich? Will a simple majority suffice?

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (5H6zj)

315 2 words: Constitutional Congress. It's the only hope left.

Posted by: H.L. Mencken's Ghost at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (YFFpo)

316

So, Howard Dean, just this morning, said "It's a win for Obama if the Mandate is struck down."

Sooo, now it's a LOSE for Obama, then? Let's check back in with captain yeehhaww

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (HOOye)

317 Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.

Hold your breath on that one. I won't be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (nUH8H)

318 Waitaminit. It's been a while, but didn't the administration specifically and explicitly write that it was absolutely not a tax in order to enable the shenanigans that got the original bill through the legislature?

But if it is a tax, after all, doesn't that mean that the bill could not have been passed without violating the Constitutional provisions specifying where revenue-raising bills must originate?

If so, is there any recourse to this ex-post-facto redefinition? Or can Congress now just pass taxes as absolutely-honest-really-not-taxes that magically turn into oh-yeah-they-are-taxes sometime after they're passed?

I'm glad the commerce clause justification, at least, was tossed out. This is a harsh way to establish it, but at least it begins to set a limit on how far that power can be stretched by Congress.

And if it's just another tax, the mandate can be repealed as any other tax can be repealed. Sounds like President Romney and the new Republican majority have a clear path of action after they're elected.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (T3KlW)

319 states cannot be penalized for choosing not to participate in the program

Watch how quickly the red states drop it.

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (myanI)

320 SCOTUSblog-

"Lyle: Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (d6QMz)

321 All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (gmeXX)
Because he keeps saying it?

Because he's turned it into a campaign motto?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (sbV1u)

322 America is done.


Posted by: nraendowment at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (Msv+6)
It was already done. This is just the final shovel full of dirt on the coffin.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (tuyMA)

323 Rick Perry for President, Republic of Texas 2012
Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (Bxm/r)



And Oklahoma!

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (aPkU9)

324 Since it's a tax, it is now only majority to overturn and isn't subject to filibuster. Isn't that correct? Plus repeal would reduce expenditures and also not be subject to filibuster.

Posted by: laddy at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (QmNJC)

325 If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51 senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax, now that Roberts affirmed it was.

All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?
Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM (gmeXX)

*********

Yes--and yes.

Romney has said on the first day-

50 waivers for the states.

And work with Congress to repeal.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (r2PLg)

326 John Roberts is a joke! I have more respect for Judge Wapner!

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (H7qBA)

327 So basically, we get Kennedy on our side and John Roberts leaves the reservation...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (Umv2b)

328 I don't know about u'all, but I am Taxed Enough Already


Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (WR5xI)

329 The court (incl. Roberts) does hold BHOzocare violates the Commerce Clause, but is constitutional under the taxing power.

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (myanI)

330 286 states cannot be penalized for choosing not to participate in the program
___

Thank God.

Our state's services to the disabled are already cut to the bone. This fricken monumental federal money grab - if fully implemented - will hurt the very people it is supposed to help.

But they know that already, they just want to destroy the middle class.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (jm/9g)

331 And no, GW Bush, we don't miss you. At all.

Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (auGuV)

332 Oh, we can just not pay our taxes, eh? Then why did the IRS come after us for $500 dollars last year over a $10 withholding error from 2009?

Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (hNLFW)

333 Watch the economy take a nosedive now.

Posted by: TexBob at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (pUOpM)

334 For all those morons and moronettes who don't live in a state that will opt out, my condolences

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (Bxm/r)

335 The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
Congress can set the tax .. oh, about$1.99 sounds right....
not to panic ...yet

Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (bPKsO)

336 Folks, write letters to Romney, to your Reps and Senators. Tell them you expect a repeal. Start NOW.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (CA2NO)

337 Zombie Wapner for SCOTUS!!

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (niW49)

338 Anyome want to guess what this will do for the sale of guns and ammo?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, Pissed Prole at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (teRpc)

339 125 Roberts just elected Romney President.
Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM


I disagree completely. This will be the beginning of Obama's "comeback".

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (pMGkg)

340 Maybe Roberts is smarter than we think. We haven't been harmed with a tax yet so now we can get Nother bite at the apple once it has been determined to be a tax.

Posted by: Sunny at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (Xnxty)

341 Remember when the Tea Party called the ObamaCare mandate a tax and they said we were a bunch of racist liars? Good times....

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (+4Ho1)

342 SCOTUSblog-
"Lyle: In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: 'In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.'"

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (d6QMz)

343 >>He doesn't care. His work is done now.

Iran hasn't nuked Israel yet, but he's got six months.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (/kI1Q)

344 The fact is SCOTUS has been an activist court for a long time now. Both sides like to defend the court when it suits them, but president's have always sought to impose partisan justices. That's always one of the arguments for a particular candidate. In the past week SCOTUS has now bent us over twice. States aren't allowed to protect their own sovereign borders and now the federal government can do anything with spending. States literally have no rights. Romney being elected matters not. Maybe he repeals the law, maybe he doesn't, whatever. 4 years later a new POTUS and new congress will find something even worse. Read your history books, it's time to seriously head for the hills.

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (HS3dy)

345 In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (+/C3g)

346 What has my country become? What happened to democracy, to honesty, to fair play? What the fuck happened to us?

This cancer in the White House must be removed, or else we all must start secession proceedings to remove ourselves from the reach of this tyranny. If not, then we are all done.

I am truly sad for America. This is a sad day for this country.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (IhUxK)

347 Golly... I wonder if California will opt out?

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (pVvkk)

348
Embrace Teh Doom!
Get to know your local survivalist/prepper.
...and re-think Igor Panarin. (His timing's wrong, but it's not a matter of outcomes. Just timing and details.)
See: Samuel "Bud" J. Kress, Jim Goulding's "Winter is Coming." See Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning." Plus: "The Rise and Fall of Civilizations" by Miller, Joubert and Butler. Also: "This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly" By Reinhart and Rogoff.
A bit dated, but a free online version of Thomas Chittum's "Civili War II. The Coming breakup of America: is available online and is also found at Amazon.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (WwR1j)

349 >>>297 Scalia's dissent should be a fun read

I thought Ginsburg wrote it.

???

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (5H6zj)

350 So, essentially we have to wait until 2014 - until this "goes into effect" - before another challenge can be brought before SCOTUS.

Or we can repeal it.

This is a political creation requiring a political response. Fuck the lawsuits, and crying and calls for "civil war." Christ, they were able to beat us politically to get this legislation enacted, and many of the provisions remain popular. That's where we lost and if we're going to fight back it's going to be in the political arena and the battle for public opinion. As always.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (9KqcB)

351 So, does this mean we can now accurately claim that Obama is raising taxes on all Americans?

Posted by: David of PA at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (RHrNg)

352 >>We haven't been harmed with a tax yet so now we can get Nother bite at the apple once it has been determined to be a tax.

All the rest of it is already harming people.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (/kI1Q)

353 Wow, look at Kennedy go on the dissent....

Posted by: Infidel of the Day at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (0bprY)

354 Holy hell, it's Bizarro World:

In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (B/yDO)

355 Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (uRPLL)

Hey, genius--the real world is over here through this door.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (B+qrE)

356 I, for one, am enjoying getting royally ass-raped by Chief Justice Roberts instead of the usual tired regular-Saturday-night boning that we are accustomed to getting from Associate Justice Kennedy.

Getting boned by the Chief is more prestigious somehow.

BTW, I told you so.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (YcTIW)

357 UNREAL: 4 dissenters would have voided ENTIRE LAW. Roberts didn't just save mandate, he saved THE ENTIRE THING!

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (ihSa7)

358


MITT'S PLAN
On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (r2PLg)

359 WOW. Can't process this. It's really the end of America, isn't it?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (zsRKf)

360 >>>This is very bad and it is convoluted. The 500B taken from medicare apparently is invalid.

no, there was no issue of that certified for court review.

you are confusing the money stolen from MediCARE with the MedicAID expansion mandate.

The Medicaid expansion mandate is limited. Has nothing to do with the $500B stolen from Medicare.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (aw5Tx)

361 My Twitter is on overload ...

Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (bPKsO)

362 Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (aPkU9)

I've always assumed Oklahoma would join the Republic of Texas

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (Bxm/r)

363
In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."

How close we came.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (yPNqR)

364 Or we can repeal it.



Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:29 AM (9KqcB)

hahahaha

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (tw6Ar)

365 Is it still the case that because of the budget reconciliation process used to pass the ACA that republicans only need a 51 seat majority to repeal, no chance of filibuster?

Any chance CAC can work his magic on senate race polling?

Posted by: a_feral_duck at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (P7xkj)

366 Yay! We can win an election! Yay! Yay

And I can't believe the Court is counselling people to violate the law and not pay the tax. This is our world now.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (74T7W)

367 Oh, and Ace --

If you care to un-ban my BAE proxy, I sent the gmail address two days ago.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (zIBKJ)

368 I'm gonna have to bail on the internet for a while. The thought of smug lefty gloating is more than I can bear.

God help us all. We are well and truly fucked.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (4YUWF)

369
After Kelo, is anyone surprised?

After McCain, is anyone surprised?

Shit, after Wickert, is anyone surprised?

There is no check on federal power. None. The Commerce Clause is now the wildcard that trumps everything else: enumeration of powers, tenth amendment, the works. Why not simply reword to say, "Congress can do whatever the hell it feels like." Because that's where we stand.

Posted by: Brown Lne at June 28, 2012 10:30 AM (u8FKm)

370 One thing--

Roberts did not IMMORTALIZE this thing.

TAX --Win the election. Repeal and Replace under Reconciliation.


Elections have consequences.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (r2PLg)

371 OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that. That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's…

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George...

That might make an interesting commercial

Posted by: I have the President's back at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (4eNxd)

372 You know what the WORST part of this is?

That's right, the fucking gloating.
Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
Rubbing your nose in it.
Over and over and over.
Then the MFM.
Over and over and over.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (Qxdfp)

373 1940bama: "It's not a tax" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

Romney needs to play this 24 hours a day through November...It needs to be set to music. and autotuned.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (VzYy6)

374 this is fucking bullshit, a tax a freakin tax?

Posted by: trailortrash at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (xllDV)

375 335 The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
Congress can set the tax .. oh, about$1.99 sounds right....
not to panic ...yet
---
But what about the federal infrastructure put in place in Obamacare? How do we pay for that?

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (5H6zj)

376 The DOW is nose diving

Posted by: dananjcon at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (eavT+)

377 Try that again: I sent mail to the gmail address two days ago.

It's too early for drinkin', obviously.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (zIBKJ)

378 Just think
Only 30 more years or so of Chief Justice Roberts

Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (jZ8D/)

379 >>So, does this mean we can now accurately claim that Obama is raising taxes on all Americans?

Poor people get their coverage paid for them, so they don't have to pay the tax. Just those competent enough to avoid poverty.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (/kI1Q)

380 I do not understand how Roberts is to the left of Kennedy on this. Roberts had sounded so skeptical earlier...

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (d6QMz)

381 See Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning."
___

I remember hearing this guy on Coast to Coast a while ago. For the past year or so, I've been meaning to research periods of fourth turnings, but maybe I've been too afraid to to it.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (jm/9g)

382 Decision still not up at Supreme Court website.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (r2PLg)

383 I will not buy insurance under duress from the Federal government.

Fuck them.

And I won't pay a tax either.

Fuck them.

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (ejmiE)

384 The nine have left Minas Morgul...

Posted by: Saruman the White at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (cUmUy)

385 So, Congress can compel me to eat broccoli, but to do so they need to impose a tax?

Holy shit.

Posted by: Timbuck at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (BZuvE)

386 If it's a tax it will never be overturned. There is a state in the south, can't remember which one, that still has a tax to pay for the Civil War.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (O/fK8)

387
>>I do not understand how Roberts is to the left of Kennedy on this. Roberts had sounded so skeptical earlier...
Polishing his street cred for 'reasonableness'. "Calling balls strikes" the like.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (yPNqR)

388
Roberts and the other four essentially rewrote the legislation. He punted! Roberts, you schmuck!

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (H7qBA)

389 We didn't abort enough Democrat voters.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (Ec6wH)

390

the stock market is taking a dump

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (HOOye)

391 376 The DOW is nose diving

Huh, imagine that.
The largest tax in the history of the Universe.
Has an effect on the market?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:32 AM (Qxdfp)

392 Fuck all you pussies talking about fleeing the country, Is ourt freedom not worth fighting for.

Posted by: jones at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (9KAw+)

393 Lindsay Graham @GrahamBlog is on top of the messaging:

To our Democrat colleagues, stand by your tax increase or stand with us to Repeal and Replace Obamacare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (piMMO)

394 So today we have Chief Justice Roberts, Big-Government Leftist Tool and Justice Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic?

Sheesh...

Posted by: JEM at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (o+SC1)

395 ObamaCare might get legislated away, but this precedent won't.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (MMC8r)

396 good news, actually. it will be easier just to repeal a tax...
Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:22 AM (bPKsO)


It's the rest of the bill that's still the problem...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (XYqoq)

397 I'm deeply confused. If it's a tax, there's no mandate, right? And if the states can opt out, then the Medicaid bit won't apply to them? This is a dog's breakfast. Take the whole damn law out back and shoot it.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (RD7QR)

398 I injected a lot of fun yesterday in commenting but I also did it with purpose as Roberts I knew was a creature of politics and impression.
Laurence Tribe and the chattering set of elites injected polity into the court. This is logically unsound because it was strained through a legal objective due to Roberts' inability to separate his ego from this.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (QWOh7)

399 December 21, 2012 ... just saying.

Posted by: Myan Calendar at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (ycm4Q)

400 Dow down 125....

Posted by: Jai at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (iocin)

401 I believe Mark Levin will be spirited today.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (N2yhW)

402
317 Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance. Hold your breath on that one. I won't be.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (nUH8H)

I'll rely on that process rather than the one that requires me to throw a hissy fit when the court doesn't rule the way I want.

We sound exactly like the liberal pundits we were mocking just a few hours ago.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (9KqcB)

403 I hear a sound coming out of Alaska...
Posted by: hey now at June 28, 2012 10:24 AM (B60j2)Amen. Again I say Amen. She's about the last person left in America with as strong a belief inconservatism as Pelosi has to socialism. Romney won't do SQUAT to overturn this. We're going to need a scrapper, not an appeaser.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (tQHzJ)

404 How's my ass taste now morons? You'll be tossing my salad till January at a minimum. Enjoy the Flava

Posted by: Barry Hussein StoolPusher at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (pUOpM)

405 I want to say that what we need is an explicit Constitutional Amendment, but it doesn't seem like that would even help. All we can do is support the Tea Party, and such.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (As94z)

406 Hey, get a load of this from Kennedy's dissent: In our opinion, the ENTIRE ACT BEFORE IS INVALID IN ITS ENTIRETY.

Kennedy wanted to toss the whole goddamn thing out. ROBERTS is the one who stabbed us in the back.


Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (FCfv5)

407 380 I do not understand how Roberts is to the left of Kennedy on this. Roberts had sounded so skeptical earlier...
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:31 AM (d6QMz)

*************

Correct--in relation to the Commerce Clause power and the Necessary and Proper Clause.


One conciliation the way he did this does not immortalize this maneuver ...

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (r2PLg)

408
IT'S TAX PAYER FUNDED HEALTH CARE. NEVER STOP SAYING THAT.

FUCK PELOSI.

Posted by: Fresh at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (O7ksG)

409 Harriet Meyers, "Miss me yet?"

Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (auGuV)

410 Dow just took a dump.

I expect more dumps to come.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)

411 Your "7-2" prediction is looking rather fucktarded now, Ace.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (jWvMW)

412
>So today we have Chief Justice Roberts, Big-Government Leftist Tool and >Justice Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic?

Sotomayor irks me.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (yPNqR)

413 many of the provisions remain popular

One...ONE provision is popular--the preexisiting conditions piece. That's it. Otherwise, it's already forcing employers to drop insurance, it's making EVERYTHING more expensive and it adds to the deficit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (B+qrE)

414 A few things...1. The commerce clause is not all-powerful. There is an end to it and that is a good thing.

2. The first line of the dissent, written by Kennedy, could have been the first line of the majority if not for Roberts. The law in it's entirety is invalid (paraphrasing).

3. The fact that Robert's could not find the intestinal fortitude to vote against this, means the USSC is never to be looked at as a backstop for freedom.


Posted by: The Hammer at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (4kwMn)

415 Well, time for a Constitutional amendment clipping Congress's taxing authority.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (du1X0)

416 I have the only thing that protects me from them on my desk, with a full clip. Goin' Galt, motherfuckers. It would not be smart to follow and poke at me.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (6H6FZ)

417 "I disagree completely. This will be the beginning of Obama's "comeback."

Not so fast. Are you keeping your eyes on the unemployment figs for the past four weeks? State after state, city after city are reporting growing unemployment rates.

Do you want to bet that 10,000-50,000 jobs were created this month? That the unemployment rate goes to 8.3 or 8.4% next Friday?

Let the Cancer have his fun for eight days. Next week, the news will be so bad, so devastating, that he will harken back to today as his "high-water mark."

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (IhUxK)

418 377 It's too early for drinkin', obviously.

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS?
Spineless whimps.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (Qxdfp)

419 @358
Next paragraph:

In PLACE OF OBAMACARE, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.


I will try to be optimistic about that last sentence.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (5H6zj)

420 >>But what about the federal infrastructure put in place in Obamacare? How do we pay for that?

The excise tax on medical equipment? Of course, that tapers off when people just stop buying wheelchairs and defibrilators and whatnot.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (/kI1Q)

421 Lefty's are correct. This is all Bush's fault.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (N2yhW)

422 I want to be careful how I say this:

Why would it matter how we vote or how often we vote any longer?

The Supreme Court has decided that it is perfectly acceptable for the government to lord over its citizens.

Votes will no longer change this. John Roberts will go down as the Judge that opened the floodgates on Civil War II.

Just damn.

Posted by: H Badger at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (n/0Nw)

423 So...they don't have the right to force us to eat our broccoli, but they can tax those that don't.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (caAEA)

424 And just to be clear--if those jackasses can get it through the Senate via reconciliation, we can do the same for repeal.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (B+qrE)

425 Public opinion on the law will now turn heavily in favor since it has been found constitutional. This insures Barky's re-election. Congress will never, repeat never overturn this law.

Large corporations will, within a year, cease offering insurance coverage to their employees - it costs too much to administer within large companies.

We're fucked. Life, as we knew it in America, is over. The great experiment is done.

Posted by: Not an (angry) Artist at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (uRumV)

426 Monty, from what I'm hearing the holding is that the mandate fails under the Commerce Clause but is upheld as a tax.

But a tax on what? Drawing air? Being born?

This is what comes of forcing lawyers to opine in areas (economics) where they have little training.

I suspect that Roberts know that it was going to be an all-or-nothing decision (either strike the whole law or let the whole thing stand) because without the mandate, the law would collapse. And since the justices obviously did not want to go through the entire law point-by-point to decide which parts worked and which didn't, they just chose a legalistic fig-leaf to let it stand. Striking the law in toto would have cast the entire post-New Deal era of Commerce Clause law into question.

So this really just kicks the ball back into the political court. Can the GOP muster a great enough majority to repeal the law? I'm guessing no -- this legal win will stiffen the spines of the Donks to a huge degree. They'll die on this hill, and will move heaven and earth to keep it on the books.

We're stuck with it. Well, until we go into fiscal collapse and the healthcare industry fails completely.

Here's some sweet dreams for you: imagine the smug crowing of Nancy Pelosi. I told you this law was Constitutionally ironclad, you wingnuts!

Savor it.

Posted by: Monty at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (4Pleu)

427 Okay, SCOTUSblog clears things up:


Amy Howe:In
Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual
mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is
constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground
that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the
states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five
Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to
buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing
power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the
Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were
constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply
with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their
funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is
constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they
didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their
funding.

Posted by: joncelli, not bothering to read the comments at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (RD7QR)

428 I think I am going to move to New Zealand since apparently there are no Constitutional limits to what Congress can do now.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (t2cnv)

429 @philipaklein Scalia/Kennedy/Thomas/Alito dissent calls decision "a vast judicial overreaching."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (d6QMz)

430 An oxygen tax: "You breathe oxygen; pay up!"

We must defeat these tyrants and never let them back into power.

Posted by: Mike at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (s/CyU)

431
What the Roberts led SCOTUS did was evade the unpleasantness of overruling the Congress and Executive.

There was ample reason to over rule this abortion, but the way forward is to elect a new majority in the Senate and a different President and fix this terrible piece of legislation. This abortion of the law.
The way the decision was parsed, some of the hoped for power to the executive was clipped, but the overall act leaves tremendous un-Constitutional power to HHS.

We all feel betrayed, and rightfully so. But quitting and running away is not an option. It will be interesting to read all the weasel words from the luke-warm boot-lickers who will pretend to see the wisdom in all this.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (RFeQD)

432 393 Lindsay Graham @GrahamBlog is on top of the messaging:

To our Democrat colleagues, stand by your tax increase or stand with us to Repeal and Replace Obamacare.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (piMMO)

*********

Good move.


Let's win the big dance.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (r2PLg)

433
Your "7-2" prediction is looking rather fucktarded now, Ace.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (jWvMW)

what happens when someone wishcasts

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (tw6Ar)

434 Screwed by Bush again. Roberts is a jerko$$.

Posted by: alans4 at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (bBBdT)

435 Tweet from Jim Geraghty at National Reveiw: " To quote Bill Clinton, we'll just have to win, then."
Are you ready to rumble come November?

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (+ciOu)

436 Big problem with Roberts' opinion is that the "tax" provision can simply be raised in amount so that individuals no longer have the realistic choice to refuse to obey the "mandate". He has trapped himself into approving unlimited Federal power. IMO.

Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (eMtQ2)

437 I will not comply.

Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (p39GY)

438 MONEY BOMB FOR ROMNEY! MONEY BOMB FOR ROMNEY! MONEY BOMB FOR ROMNEY! MONEY BOMB FOR ROMNEY! MONEY BOMB FOR ROMNEY!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (piMMO)

439
Since I live in Texas, here is the next press conference I'd like to see, in 10 minutes or so...
Rick Perry : Texas says "fuck you"

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (GvYeG)

440 The WHOLE ACA is Constitutional per Amy Howe at ScotusBlog.
Process this folks.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (QWOh7)

441 Headline on the local fishwrap: Justices upheld the core of President
Barack Obama's health-care overhaul, giving him an election-year triumph
and preserving most of a law that would expand insurance to millions of
people.

...not that "insurance" that cannot be used to obtain actual medical care is worth shit, but let's not let facts get in the way of celebrating our new Fascist utopia.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (/kI1Q)

442 Maybe we can consult Elisabeth Warren on Indian Costumes for up coming Tea Party rallies.

Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (XAJr3)

443 Glenn Beck playing religious music right now.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (jWvMW)

444 Anyone who believed that concentrated power would give up power to individual liberty trusts power too much.

Of COURSE Roberts was going to side with centralization. It's who he is.

Posted by: section9 at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (CUoon)

445 Okay... I need some facts, here, I'm crowdsourcing some research.

1) Does anyone know the last time a law was just repealed (without something else specifically "replacing" it)?

2) Does anyone know the last time the Federal Government returned authority it had taken (I'm guessing never, but I like to be thorough).

These are serious questions, I'm looking for material to cite.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:35 AM (nUH8H)

446 Liberals shouldn't celebrate too early. This is actually the BEST result for Republicans. Here's why.



1. If the Robert's Court had overturned this whole law, Conservatives
would seem hypocritical to ever complain about judicial activism in the
future.



2. If the law had been struck down we almost surely would have seen a
spike in hiring just before the election that Obama would have taken
credit for.



3. If the law had been struck down this would have motivated Obama's
base to keep him in office and nominate more liberal judges.



4. Now the Republican base will be hyper-motivated as we realize a
Republican Congress and President is the ONLY way to repeal this law.
Romney can run on this all day.



5. The limiting of Medicaid penalties to the states means the states can
pretty much give this law the finger and refuse to implement it with no
penalty.



6. Careful what you wish for. One day there will be a liberal court and
now we have a good reason to argue against their liberal decisions.



For me, this is HUGE win for Romney and Republicans. HUGE loss for
Obama. The Left may crow but remember, America DOES NOT WANT this law.
Being "taxed" to enforce it won't make them happy either.



Chief Justice is a smart guy.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (hlUJY)

447 WOW! Big win for Obama!
Unconstitutional?
If you guys based more of your opinions on reality you would be less disappointed today.

See you in November! The polls in Ohio, PA and Florida are already tipping for Obama. Yikes!

= sad face...

Posted by: jimmy joe at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (xU2OO)

448 Oh well, can't rely on Republicans to do the right thing nor can we place hope in a "stacked court".

And just as Obama was on the ropes.

Posted by: 13times at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (h6XiD)

449 Who cares what Mitt said or says on the campaign trail. Obama said it wasn't a tax. He also said he was against individual mandates. Politicians lie. That is why it is important to look to their actions. Why are people so confident that Mitt will puch for repeal. I think it is more likely he will stop at the first sign of pushback. I may be wrong, I hope I am, and I certainly do believe that repeal is only likely if Mitt wins. But why so confident even if he does win. If Mitt makes this the centerpiece of his campaign, I'll feel a lot better. But at this point, nothing in Mitt's past gives me any reason to believe that he will repeal this thing. Waivers aren't good enough. This country should not be governed by Presidential waivers.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (gmeXX)

450
Just a reminder:


This means the Obama health law will steam ahead. Insurance exchanges are set to open in 2014, the same year insurers will have to accept all customers regardless of their medical histories. The insurance mandate will also take effect that year. People must show when they file tax returns for 2014 that they had coverage during that year or pay a tax penalty. The size of the penalty will rise over time and eventually reach a maximum of several thousand dollars a year. Also starting in 2014, companies with more than 50 workers will have to pay penalties starting at $2,000 per employee if they didn’t offer a set level of health benefits.

WSJ



Getting my resume into the IRS stat.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (kdS6q)

451 So today we have Chief Justice Roberts, Big-Government Leftist Tool and
Justice Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic?


/looks around for Vulcan with goatee

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (KF/Jh)

452 Help me Obi Mittens, you're my only hope

Posted by: America at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (SO2Q8)

453 >>So, does this mean we can now accurately claim that Obama is raising taxes on all Americans?<<

Yes. The court just ruled: It's a tax.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (9KqcB)

454 So it's a tax because if it was a tax, it would be constitutional? So they have a conclusion and fit the facts to it.

Posted by: LIGuy at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (+usC4)

455 Stock market down 144....

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (X6akg)

456 "Dow just took a dump."

I hate to wish for bad, but I am praying that the entire economy takes a dump from now until right around November 10. Then we can have President Romney come i and fix the problems the Cancer has piled on us.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (IhUxK)

457 It looks like the Dread Specter of George W Bush continues to torment us.

Posted by: Johnny at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (v9Yvj)

458 If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51 senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax, now that Roberts affirmed it was. All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that Mitt will push for repeal?


I think you're correct that if it's a tax then it can not be filibustered.

As to your second question, the issue is not going to be whether Mittens will sign it. He will sign whatever's sent to him. The issue is what exactly would be sent to him. Will it be a total repeal or will it be a piecemeal bill? IMO this was the only chance to get the entire thing repealed as there will not be enough votes in the House or Senate to repeal the entire thing. A lot of the popular garbage will remain.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (JxMoP)

459 Glenn Beck denouncing conservative leadership as "cowards" and "covert progressives."

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (jWvMW)

460 So, the line is drawn. I guess it's good to know where we stand.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (QupBk)

461 411 Your "7-2" prediction is looking rather fucktarded now, Ace.

I thought his prediction was "Guilty".

People fall in love with their own predictions. I'm now doing that.
And I'm finding, as people do, only evidence to support my new,
outta-my-ass prediction.


Guilty.

Yup, that's how I read it.

Can I be on SCOTUS now?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (Qxdfp)

462 Man, must be a grim scene at the SC. Those tea party types look very disappointed.

Posted by: Jordan at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (yD+nq)

463 You wanted a pissed off motivated base Republicans? You got it.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:36 AM (hlUJY)

464 One of you made the MOST EXCELLENT Pointthat as of its implementation datethe reason for anyone to possess health insurance as of that date will be null and void so it will bein your best interest to cancel all policies on that date. Lets see the insurance companies deal withTHAT loss of revenue.

Posted by: Rich K at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (X4l3T)

465 I'm going to totally have to rethink the name for this day.

Posted by: runninrebel at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (N/1Dm)

466 The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.










Good luck with that, sucker.

Posted by: IRS SWAT Team at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (TIIx5)

467 I'm so tempted to just walk out of the office and go home and drink. Why work?
If I have to live in a banana republic, why stay here? Might as well move to some Caribbean paradise.

Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (/Mla1)

468

Send money to romney today.

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (HOOye)

469 This is the Zombie invasion the kids keep talking about. This damn bill has been dead so many times, and yet come back to life anyway, it isn't funny.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (As94z)

470 It is important to remember that the tea party was butthe begining of the American Revolution.

Posted by: jones at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (9KAw+)

471 May I have some wine and cheese with my European Socialism, please?

Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (/ZZCn)

472
>>It looks like the Dread Specter of George W Bush continues to torment us.

STRATEGERY.

Posted by: W. at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (yPNqR)

473 Justice Kennedy wanted to throw the entire thing out. Wow.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (jWvMW)

474 From what I'm reading on SCOTUSBlog, Roberts voted with the majority to validate ObamaCare under the taxing authority of Congress; he rejected Commerce Clause arguments. Ginsburg says it's valid under both but with the way they voted Taxing prevails. Defeating it under Commerce Clause may still be alive for another day.

Questions:

I believe that they took a tax bill, gutted it and reconciled ObamaCare into to it to avoid a Closure vote in the Senate. If the Republican's take control of the Senate (but not supermajority), keep the House and Romney is elected, what's to stop the total repeal under the same method?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (kqqGm)

475 423 So...they don't have the right to force us to eat our broccoli, but they can tax those that don't.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (caAEA)


********

Ya--the damn penalty thing.

Funny thing was--during argument there was something about--they have no way to ENFORCE it.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (r2PLg)

476 fucking super

Now what the hell am I going to do with all this pudding?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (1EUmb)

477 I'm going to totally have to rethink the name for this day.

Get Our Shit Pushed In Day.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

478 221 So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (t06LC)


Dear God, I hope so.

Part of Obamacare was enacted under reconciliation, so it can be repealed under reconciliation.

Just keep reminding people that Obama raised taxes for everyone.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (0xqzf)

479 >>I think I am going to move to New Zealand since apparently there are no Constitutional limits to what Congress can do now.

You know they have single-payer there and limit immigration based on medical history...

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (/kI1Q)

480 I don't think this will help Obama's comeback as measured by the economy and public sentiment.

It does give the fellaters in the MSM to laud his visionary bold accomplishment. So we will be TOLD he is in a comeback. But that can backfire because the economy is going to stay stalled until January.

It also probably gives heart to his base supporters, who had been really dispirited. So I predict his fundraising will uptick.


But I think it also means that some of the folks, particularly those running big corporations, will stop trying to play both sides of the fence. So I think Mitt's (and the GOP's) fundraising will go up as well.

The way the GOP can screw up is by going wobbly and sounding conciliatory. They need to make a clear distinction between what the Dems want to do (install European style Socialism) and what the GOP wants to do.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (5H6zj)

481 Perhaps this is not as bad as it seems. But my first reaction calls to mind Alexis de Tocqueville:

"We have thus given up much of the ground that our fathers had won; for under the banner of justice and in the name of the law we permit things to be done that could only be imposed on them by violence."

Posted by: D.X.M. at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (V3+ou)

482 Bush's legacy is "destroyed" according to Glenn Beck...Bush was a "progressive."

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (jWvMW)

483 IOW--there was no criminal repercussions in the bill for citizens that do NOT pay the penalty.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (r2PLg)

484 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (Xb3hu)

485 A GD tax on breathing. Fuck you Roberts in your convoluted thinking.

Posted by: dogfish at June 28, 2012 10:38 AM (N2yhW)

486
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (pUOpM)

487 "The limiting of Medicaid penalties to the states means the states can pretty much give this law the finger and refuse to implement it with no penalty."

Since The Cancer gives the American people the finger o a regular basis and tells us what laws he will and will not enforce, it is high time that we all stand up and tell The Cancer to take his Death Tax and shove it up his Nigerian Ass.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (IhUxK)

488 196
We need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Yes we do. Unfortunately that's not possible.

Posted by: Janir at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (VGU7i)

489 Whoever noted that the Tax can be raised to enforce compliance.... BINGO.
And don't forget, the ACA is federal statute and fines are not the only punishment for non-compliance.
This is where Roberts' ego transcended the clear strictures of the founders' intent as so decreed in both the Declartion and as woven into the Constitution.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (QWOh7)

490 Quite a ruling, taking place right in the middle of the Catholic "Fortnight For Freedom" demonstration. The Church is now squarely in the Administration's bulls-eye.

Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (HjPtV)

491 2321
All that being said, why do so many on this blog have confidence that
Mitt will push for repeal?Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:26 AM
(gmeXX)
Because he keeps saying it?

Because he's turned it into a campaign motto?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 28, 2012 10:28 AM (sbV1u)

-----
please give a citation for your assertion that it is a Romney campaign motto
The most that I have heard Mittens say is that it needs to be 'improved' and that he supports the 'repeal and replace' model, without specifying what would be repealed and what would be the replacement

Posted by: Mark E at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (w5RwR)

492 463 You wanted a pissed off non-motivated base Republicans? You got it.

FIFY

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (Qxdfp)

493 I think I just heard Mark Levin explode.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (cUmUy)

494 John Roberts = Bill Buckner.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (BAS5M)

495
*sigh*
Well, reading the shampoo bottle guidelines for this situation it seems that 2010 was "rinse-lather." Thatmean that2012 must be "repeat."
For today, take 15 minutes, and scream it out. Stamp your feet! Write a letter to your congressman and senators containing no words you would repeat to your mother.
Then get busy.

Posted by: Warthog at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (WDySP)

496 I've been saying that I get a bad feeling about Roberts.Confirmed.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (Xb3hu)

497 339
125 Roberts just elected Romney President.

Posted by: TallDave at June 28, 2012 10:19 AM



I disagree completely. This will be the beginning of Obama's "comeback".

This may be another means to attack Choomer... "Your taxes just went up, America...courtesy of Choomer"

Posted by: Zombie Howard Cosell at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (Jls4P)

498 @482: A lot of us came to that conclusion a while ago, but it's nice to see Beck agrees.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (tqwMN)

499 Dissent= I can say whatever, it doesn't f'n matter.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (pMGkg)

500 Beck demanding "litmus tests" for future Republican USSC appointees.

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (jWvMW)

501 STRANGE NEW RESPECT for Roberts on FB and Twitter...

Posted by: DavidW at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (VY2Ce)

502 SO, how do we get the Senate to start working on a reconciliation vote for repeal? And how do we make sure our RINO senators do their damn jobs and vote the right way?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (CA2NO)

503 Good move.





Let's win the big dance.


*****

Cooler heads...

Today we rage. Tomorrow we regroup. And I repeat....make a statement. Donate anything you can to Romney today!

Each donation is sends a message.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (piMMO)

504

DIJA -155

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (HOOye)

505 So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 10:23 AM (t06LC)

********

51 or PORTMAN as the Vice President--

to break a tie.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (r2PLg)

506 484

This!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (Qxdfp)

507 calm the fuck down and have a few heaping shots of value rite moron hoarde.
this is a giant gift.
roberts just sealed Obamas fate in Nov, and made it easy peasy to repeal this monstrosity.

a court verdict the other way would have almost assured the holy one another term, another SCOTUS appointment and the true end of this republic.

were getting the other. work it people!!!

Posted by: jerky at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (PYJga)

508 Dow down 125- it tanked right at 10am eastern time.

Wonder what happened?

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (1u3l0)

509 Going to read now. Curious if they addressed the issue of it being a direct tax failing apportionment requirement...

Posted by: Crispian at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (uBMtY)

510 ObamaCare opinion- http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (d6QMz)

511 >>Just keep reminding people that Obama raised taxes for everyone.....

Except Muslims. They're exempt.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (/kI1Q)

512
So... if its a tax, then that means all that is needed is 50 votes in the senate to remove, right?
Posted by: Jollyroger



Iffy we'll have that 50 in the next Senate. We might have the majority, but with Brown, the remaing Lady from Maine and the rest of the wets....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (kdS6q)

513 GFY John Roberts.

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (Umv2b)

514 Looks like I picked a bad day to quit doing bath salts.

My new plan: Worm my way into the Feral Government, get a good-payin' job, and try to subvert it from within. Who's with me?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (exvgC)

515 >See you in November!

A bowl of oatmeal is gonna steamroll Obama. Stay cocky.

Posted by: 13times at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (h6XiD)

516 Now Obama's plan to have huge amounts of election lawyers trained, the DOJ to suspend Voter ID, and his amnesty ruling become clearer...



Posted by: H Badger at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (n/0Nw)

517 And yeah, if even Lindsey Graham thinks you can hit Dems with this as "Obama raised your taxes" it's definitely a good attack.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (tqwMN)

518 So, a wise latina, a bull dyke and a eunich walk into the bar...

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (cUmUy)

519 Stock market down 156....

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (X6akg)

520 We now live in Europe. Not the worst place on earth to be in, butnot its last best hope, either.

Posted by: Bud Norton at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (6cOMd)

521 So theres only one dissent? Aw

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (a4lmz)

522 Good. The outrage against the abomination should help Romney.

Posted by: deadrody at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (2NNWw)

523 People, I am telling you, this is HUGE win for the right. HUUUGE. We didn't want to give Obama the "victim" card here and motivate his base.

Do you think the voters who opposed Obamacare before will now be in favor of it because it's a "tax" instead of a fine? A pile of shit by any other name...

HUGE win for us. Let's get that supermajority and repeal this mess.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (hlUJY)

524 501 STRANGE NEW RESPECT for Roberts on FB and Twitter...
Posted by: DavidW at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (VY2Ce)

*******

oy..jeebus.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (r2PLg)

525 Welcome to Europe west

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (1Jaio)

526
SO, how do we get the Senate to start working on a reconciliation vote
for repeal? And how do we make sure our RINO senators do their damn jobs
and vote the right way?


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM (CA2NO)

haha

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (tw6Ar)

527 I can't wait to hear democrats tell us how awesome this is and remind everyone of the dirty rat-fucked tactics they deployed to get it shoved through congress when 60 percent of the country opposed it.

Posted by: El Kabong at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (5pjC0)

528 If the states can refuse, then we should just collate a list of United Constitutional States In America and implement a de facto succession from the Radical Left bullshit states.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (5mx3x)

529 "POTUS doesn't appoint Congress.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:25 AM (5H6zj)"


But he sure has hell appoints to the SCOTUS. If the best he's going to manage in all probability is a Roberts (and that's being generous), Congress is irrelevant. So Romney appoints a couple of Roberts or Souters and repeals Obamacare and replaces it with....something.

We're fucked.

As someone else keeps pointing out on the thread - it'sa superjoke to think congress is going to repeal a tax.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (rX1N2)

530 I told you to put those dicks down, gentlemen...

Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (8sCoq)

531 >>STRANGE NEW RESPECT for Roberts on FB and Twitter...

All that sneering at his wife and children paid off. Who knew?

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (/kI1Q)

532 Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 10:40 AM (cUmUy)
***

The eunuch was the one wearing a strapless dress and high heels.

Posted by: kallisto at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (jm/9g)

533

If it's a tax, though, that heaves the mandate into a whole other
cesspool of precedent. I may be utterly wrong on this, but I think an
individual challenge can be brought that this was not passed properly as
a tax bill.

Repeal....

Etc



This is the only silver lining, but all it would do is get rid of the "tax."


WE ARE WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (LrHKJ)

534 I will not comply.

Nor will I.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (d0Tfm)

535 Let's not forget the "conservatives" who have fallen in love with the social engineering in the income tax code. Some have advocated a "flat tax", but no matter who, they always include a few bumps to save their precious deductions and exemptions.

There is only one solution: Repeat the Sixteenth Amendment. Institute a national sales tax. That is all.

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (knMIa)

536 375 --- But what about the federal infrastructure put in place in Obamacare? How do we pay for that?

_______

Same as they are now, the Governement buys more ink paper ...the printing presses run 24/7/365

Posted by: Mark X at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (bPKsO)

537 482 "compassionate conservative" says it all.
Sort of like "empathetic serial killer".

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (Qxdfp)

538 This was a shell game involving precious egos. We were going to lose, regardless. Roberts simply drained the decision of any animus against Kennedy.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (iuHbc)

539 Beck demanding that all conservatives register to vote...this is a good idea, get all your pissed off conservative friends to register to vote TODAY!

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (jWvMW)

540 "Ginsburg bench statement says that "seven
members of theCourt...buy the argument that prospective withholding of
anticipated funds exceeds Congress' spending power."

We know Kagan's one of the 2 full on commies . . . who's the other?

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (B/yDO)

541 You fuckin kiddin me?

I'm already hearing the spin. This doesnt help us in November.

Reality slaps us in the face and we react like the goddam Black Knight in Monty Python.

Posted by: soothsayer is in the cat's box at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (Nyn5K)

542 "I'm going to totally have to rethink the name for this day."

"Obama and the Democrats and John Roberts Did an Abner Louima to You, But Legally"

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (IhUxK)

543

wow, the WSJ just showed some slides, showing insurance companies stocks plunging

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (HOOye)

544 523!

Posted by: jerky at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (PYJga)

545 This is great! It will help us in November!

Posted by: Guy who doesn't get it at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (74T7W)

546 My new plan: Worm my way into the Feral Government, get a good-payin' job, and try to subvert it from within. Who's with me?

5th column? I'm with ya there. Just don't get caught or you'll get a nice trip out to their re-education camps.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)

547 Stock market down 156....


Posted by: Tami

Just the beginning. -250 by the end on the day?

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (Ky1+e)

548 John Roberts is my hero. He saw the bigger picture here and sacrificed himself to do it.

John Roberts just won the election for Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (hlUJY)

549 Yeah boy "archconservative Roberts" huh.....

if you are pissed off and don't contribute time or money towards November YOU are to blame not the retards who got the monster passed in the first place.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (LRFds)

550 To reiterate:

Pray for our troops. Cut to the bone and bled white.
Pray for our people. Sundered and betrayed, no law will stand.
Pray for our land. Corrupted and enslaved, blight rules.

Woe be unto us all.

And still kittehs are sad (doom kitteh pictures withheld by request):

At time like these we are wont to console ourselves with little ditties like this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2Xn7tI

Posted by: The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (HNn1q)

551 500 Beck demanding "litmus tests" for future Republican USSC appointees.
Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:39 AM



You keep using that word "future". I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (pMGkg)

552 Beck now praising Nelson Mandela...hmm...

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (jWvMW)

553 At first, I was pissed.
But reading some comments has restored hope.
I think that this will SERIOUSLY hurt Obama's chances.
If you think the Obamacare bill was a zombie that wouldn't die, I certainly hope that we see a similar zombification of the TEA PARTY. This gets back to the basis of the acronym TEA - Taxed Enough Already.
Let's mobilize.

Posted by: Winston_Smith at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (+q3dR)

554 Good News: Fed can't force us to buy stuff based on the commerce clause
Bad News: Fed CAN force us to BUY stuff based on "tax"

WTF?

Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (VwhRo)

555 Whew!
Looks like I can sit down for a while.

Posted by: The Chicken at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (Qxdfp)

556 21
And this is how a nation dies.


No, this is how a dead nation is pulled last minute out of the slowly lowering casket and ass-raped by the cemetary lawn guy.

Posted by: What, no vaseline? at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (t+HxW)

557
Posted by: soothsayer is in the cat's box at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (Nyn5K)

but we have Mr. Mandate as our nominee

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (tw6Ar)

558 Last paragraph--

DISSENT_

The Constitution, though it dates from the founding of the Republic, has powerful meaning and vital relevance to our own times. The constitutional protections that this case involves are protections of structure. Structural protections—notably, the restraints imposed by federalism and separation of powers—are less romantic and have less obvious a connection to personal freedom than the provi- sions of the Bill of Rights or the Civil War Amendments. Hence they tend to be undervalued or even forgotten by our citizens. It should be the responsibility of the Court to teach otherwise, to remind our people that the Framers considered structural protections of freedom the most im- portant ones, for which reason they alone were embod- ied in the original Constitution and not left to later amendment. The fragmentation of power produced by the structure of our Government is central to liberty, and when we destroy it, we place liberty at peril. Today’s decision should have vindicated, should have taught, this truth; instead, our judgment today has disregarded it.
For the reasons here stated, we would find the Act in- valid in its entirety. We respectfully dissent.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (r2PLg)

559 On further reflection, "Repeal" is better than "Repeat".

Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (knMIa)

560 On this dark day, I've made an amazing discovery: it is possible to put thong panties on sideways. I mention this because from here on out, I can no longer follow the insanity that comes out of Washington, so I'm officially moving to the last freecountryon earth, Lala Land (never mind that it only exists in my head) whereI will be free to ponder such weightyideas asmy upcoming thesis onunderwear design flaws.

Posted by: Natasha at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (jU5uf)

561 Beck denounces CPAC...

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (jWvMW)

562 In the "me thinks thou doth protest too much" category, I've been feeling this for a couple of days, even posted about it, that they were moaning and groaning to bring you guys up and then take you down. Makes you wonder if they had an inkling.

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (oZfic)

563 I disagree that this is a victory for Romney and republicans. Face it, this is a huge victory for Commander Choom. It will motivateconservatives, but it will motivate his base and all the "moderate" morons who will side with the winner (aka Yankees Red Sox fans) because they don't know what's going on. He just got a shit-ton more votes from people he's fucking in the ass, and they don't even know it.

Posted by: yinzer at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (/Mla1)

564 >>We now live in Europe.

Italy, 1927, to be more precise.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (/kI1Q)

565 If it is a tax, then it can be removed under reconciliation - 51
senators. The dems will be hard pressed to argue that it is not a tax,
now that Roberts affirmed it was.

Like, before November 6th, 2012 even ?

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (WR5xI)

566 Bright side: it's a GOOD thing this bunch didn't find yet another reason to extend the Commerce Clause.


Posted by: JEM at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (o+SC1)

567 Bad ruling. If its a tax then its an illegal unnaportioned tax.

Posted by: Texan Economist at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (XOZd6)

568 "I will not comply."

When they come for me, I will tell them to tell Obama that Commie Fuck to shove it up his wife's pussy.

And, man, will I say that.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (IhUxK)

569 The single largest tax increase in the history of tax increases and the history of history. That'snot counting the othertax increasecoming on January 1. You would think that Romney would have no trouble running and winning against that.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (VLifP)

570


DJIA sez:



Oh I'm freeeeeeeee


Free fallin . . . .

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (LrHKJ)

571 The incoherence of the decision proves it was a political one, the politics having to do with the egos on the court.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (iuHbc)

572 Romney's first Supreme Court pick should be Christine O'Donnell.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (Ec6wH)

573 Another killer paragraph:

******

The values that should have determined our course to- day are caution, minimalism, and the understanding that the Federal Government is one of limited powers. But the Court’s ruling undermines those values at every turn. In the name of restraint, it overreaches. In the name of constitutional avoidance, it creates new constitutional questions. In the name of cooperative federalism, it un- dermines state sovereignty.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (r2PLg)

574 Roberts is the most loathsome Justice ever in our history.

Boehner, McConnell and Romney are far too weak to substantially change this outcome. Obama will use every diabolical method to ensure we can't repeal it after November.

This will energize our country like never before. We will replace the President, take back the Senate and do so will filibuster proof majorities.

Posted by: Exile at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (bR7nX)

575 Sell off happening now

Posted by: Rstone at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (MdYJ2)

576 Everybody calm the fuck down.

First of all: I've been predicting this outcome for awhile. If you weren't, that was dumb. Simply for no other reason than you violated Winston Wolf's Cardinal Rule.

Second of all: as I said yesterday (BEFORE this ruling came down), this is the outcome I wanted, politically. Anybody who thinks Obama's popularity is now suddenly going to rise as Americans find that Obamacare was upheld and it's A MASSIVE TAX INCREASE TO BOOT are crazy. The law was unpopular before, it will remain unpopular now. It's not as if Kelo v. New London suddenly made Eminent Domain super-beloved, after all.

Third of all: this provides a critical rational for Romney's candidacy beyond the economy (which ain't gonna improve based on this, trust me). Now he is literally The Only Hope. And to the concern trolls from DKos coming over here to say stuff like "oh man Romney will just do the same thing as Obama, what's the point of voting in November?": your phoniness is rather transparent.

Chill, people: I would have actually been far more worried about our chances in November had the law been thrown out.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (FCfv5)

577 "507
calm the fuck down and have a few heaping shots of value rite moron hoarde.

this is a giant gift.

roberts just sealed Obamas fate in Nov, and made it easy peasy to repeal this monstrosity.



a court verdict the other way would have almost assured the holy one
another term, another SCOTUS appointment and the true end of this
republic.



were getting the other. work it people!!!
"



I respectfully disagree. You don't win by losing and this abomination (Obamination) to liberty should never have been allowed to stand.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (E0rp6)

578 So Bush appointed a lefty ???? Fuck you I hate Bush now more than the left.
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 28, 2012 10:12 AM (MpDjI)

Bush affectionately called SCOAMF "the Pope" while he was running for office.

More conspiracy talk... Roberts swore Obama in twice, because there is a pagan superstition about the void of course moon, but the oath of office is set by the Constitution. The second swearing in for Obama's peace of mind was in Roberts' office. The reason astrologers advise against the void of course moon is it means "nothing will come of it." Obama was destined to be a one term president with no lasting legacy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (i330i)

579 What's next, Fed forces those able to buy cars from GM because they declare it an "auto tax"?

Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (VwhRo)

580
And yeah, if even Lindsey Graham thinks you can hit Dems with this as "Obama raised your taxes" it's definitely a good attack.
Posted by: Ian S.




Ehh. With the progressive tax structure, it's more of a "Obama raised their taxes" to pay for your health care. Going to be popular for those with their hands out.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (kdS6q)

581 Does anybody REALLY believe that Congress isn't gonna fuck the states over with the Medicaid thing?

Just like with highway speed limits

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (B/yDO)

582 556 Is it really rape if you're dead?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (Qxdfp)

583 Like, before November 6th, 2012 even ?


Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (WR5xI)

haha

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (tw6Ar)

584 State's Rights win! Long live Virginia!! This is a win!

Posted by: Davidlind at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (5ANyb)

585 Justice Kennedy wanted to throw the entire thing out. Wow.

----

Stunning isnt it.....

Im so pissed right now I cant even think straight.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (C8hzL)

586
Nobody here is giving up ... they are just pissed ... enough with the lectures already. Let people vent.

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (GvYeG)

587 So we are no longer "Citizens", but "Subjects" ... bitches!

Posted by: Myan Calendar at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (ycm4Q)

588 Alright, enough with Beck for the day...must listen to Rush at noon though...

Posted by: Heh at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (jWvMW)

589 Was watching CNBC, they were sort of stunned....

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (oZfic)

590 Slavery is once again legal in the Tyranncy of Obama, Assmonkey of the Universe.

Posted by: Silentbrick at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (4rnrm)

591 Tonawanda - BINGO.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (QWOh7)

592 Wow. We we're so sure we had this. Now we get to hear President Fuckstick crow and brag for the rest of the week.

It disgusts me to learn that the government can now force me to buy a product, and levy a fine on me if I refuse.

I REFUSE.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (8sCoq)

593 Mittens will not sign a repeal. It's Tea Party time.....time to force a takeover of the Republican national convention and install the real conservative, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: doug at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (gUGI6)

594 Hey guys,

Can't we get an immediate challenge based on how this was passed under rules for non-budget laws?

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (zrpqj)

595 Robert's nose whistles. All the time!

Posted by: Grumpy Scalia at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (yn6XZ)

596 "446 Liberals shouldn't celebrate too early. This is actually the BEST result for Republicans. Here's why.1. If the Robert's Court had overturned this whole law, Conservatives would seem hypocritical to ever complain about judicial activism in the future. ..."

Seriously, dude - It's good that the Court is activist, so we can stillcomplain about it? Are you high?

"... Being "taxed" to enforce it won't make them happy either."
OK, now you're making a little sense, but new taxes rarely go away...

The bottom line is that the Socialism Train is full steam ahead.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (As94z)

597 How would you like to run a campaign on...

1. The economy sucks

2. We just gave you the biggest tax increase in the history of the US

And good luck finding ANY economist who thinks raising taxes during a downturn is a good idea.

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (Ky1+e)

598 If you think the republicans are going to save you, think again.
Both parties are leading us to the same destination, just different paths.
They are them and them are they and we are screwed forever...
Coo Co ka choob...

Piggies in the middle.

Posted by: Endangered in Mass at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (jNROd)

599 Article V.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (GBXon)

600 and if I ever meet Roberts I will spit at his feet.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (LRFds)

601 In other news,5-4 decisions are now good again to the left.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (Xb3hu)

602 "We now live in Europe."

Germany, 1933.

Kristallnacht, the mass arrests of those who oppose this regime, and concentration camps are right around the corner if The Cancer wins another term to do his deadly work.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (IhUxK)

603 If you thought the economy and unemployment was bad up till now. Just wait

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (1Jaio)

604 So who knew that Roberts was one of msnbc's viewers. I guess all that meanness talk was the big persuader...heck with that old constitution.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (i0App)

605 Dow now down 157.61 points on the day- 1.25%

Posted by: chariots of toast at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (ksERZ)

606 Hells bells and fuck. I can't think of anything more mature than that right now.

Posted by: shinypie at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (Kz85k)

607 Affirmative Action has gotten WAY out of hand.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (cUmUy)

608 Just so I understand...

The court ruled that the mandate CANNOT be imposed via the commerce clause?

Liberals have used the commcerce clause to expand the power and wealth of the federal goverment for decades, more than any other tool. When is the last time the court told Congress it overstepped its use of the clause? I think this could be significant.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (9KqcB)

609 John Roberts is my hero. He saw the bigger picture here and sacrificed himself to do it.

John Roberts just won the election for Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM (hlUJY)
-----------------------------------------------------
It is wishcasting in the first order to look upon Mittens as Teh Great Conservative Hope. This is how the country dies. Nothing will be done about any of this. The Progs are happy and the proles are just further enslaved.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (jucos)

610 Jeff B., I don't care about the politics of it.

I CARE ABOUT MY DAMNED CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC

Well, I guess I care enough to campaign for Mitt so he can find better judges.

Posted by: The Feds at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (xAtAj)

611 DJIA
12469.40 -157.61 1.25%
Nasdaq
2830.41 -44.91 1.56%
S&P 500
1315.57 -16.28 1.22%
DJ Total Mkt
13712.22 -171.76 1.24%
Russell 2000
771.00 -5.24 0.68%
Global Dow
1765.30 -15.42 0.87%

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (HOOye)

612 Then this is the largest tax increase in American history, and it's directed straight at the lower middle class. Obama lied.

All Romney needs to do is beat that message like a drum, together with the bad economic news generally.

We are going to win in November.

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (8/DeP)

613 Kennedy was right for a change and Roberts sold us out. Unbefreakinglievable.

Posted by: DavidW at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (VY2Ce)

614 so , well i'm sorry i ever believed i was free.
thanks alot Justice's for an unfree decision and what we know the govt will run with. no limit to infecting evry action of ours now . commerce clause with added steroid power.

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (TomZ9)

615 547 Stock market down 156....
Posted by: Tami

Just the beginning. -250 by the end on the day?
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:42 AM


The stock market is a fickle bitch and does what it wants, when it wants. Next week it will be up,just to say "Fuck You".

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (pMGkg)

616 This is pure BULLSHIT.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (QWOh7)

617 <blockquote>I believe that they took a tax bill, gutted it and reconciled ObamaCare
into to it to avoid a Closure vote in the Senate. If the Republican's
take control of the Senate (but not supermajority), keep the House and
Romney is elected, what's to stop the total repeal under the same
method?</blockquote>
Lack of spine.

Posted by: JSchuler at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (du1X0)

618 You will now start to see hospitals scrambling, the first ones to make a move are the Catholic hospitals. This Ruling is going to cause a greater divide in both the availability and the quality of healthcare.
Where did our Constitution and our rights, our freedom go!?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 28, 2012 10:45 AM (7MyjZ)

619 So how restricted is the Commerce Clause?

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (WkuV6)

620 Well, this is a big shit sandwich to choke down. There is some comfort in the fact the court continued to limit commerce clause power in line with Lopez and Morrison.

I was scared this would happen because ever since they started this monstrosity I've wondered why they didn't structure the mandate as a tax with an equal tax credit for buying insurance. That structure would be easy to defend under existing precedents (not that I agree with the precedents, of course.) The fact is, that's not how it is written, but apparently Roberts "construed" it to be written as such. The ruling sucks, but in the long game might not be as bad we're feeling about it now.

I think the key question now is whether or not this thing can be repealed with 51 votes in the senate. I don't know for a fact, but I'm getting the sense that it might.

Posted by: DanInMN at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (HQzCT)

621 It is a budget law now that it's interpreted as a tax, no?

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (fEXaF)

622 Mr. Speaker ... in the grand and glorious tradition of the Lone Star State ... Texas says "fuck you"

Posted by: Honey Tiberius Optimus Prime Badger, bangin' and hangin' at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (GvYeG)

623 Hey, how 'bout that Mike Trout?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (IlZPo)

624 Shit, there's no way I can keep up with the comments.

Obviously, this is depressing. Our country is really weak right now, so the economic impact of this ruling is very scary to me. Anyone who loses a job right now, or who is currently unemployed, is massively fucked. That's scary because I've lost jobs, as has my husband, so I have no belief that you are magically protected from that sort of event even if you are the best worker on the planet. Anyone who is older and has a lot of financial and family commitments is at increased risk. If I were in my 20s or even 30s again, I would not be so worried.

But, at the same time that I feel all of this gloom, I actually feel a little more assured that Romney is going to do the right thing. We just have to make sure he wins.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (5H6zj)

625 DJIA
12463.83 -163.18 1.29%
Nasdaq
2828.45 -46.87 1.63%
FTSE 100
5454.84 -69.08 1.25%
CAC 40
3043.60 -19.52 0.64%
DAX
6139.96 -89.03 1.43%

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (HOOye)

626 Really rare-

DISSENTING JUDGES wrote as a group.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (r2PLg)

627 Obama didn't lie! It's not a "tax-tax"

Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (XYqoq)

628 SCOTUSblog-

"Lyle: Among other comments, Ginsburg bench statement says that 'seven members of theCourt...buy the argument that prospective withholding of anticipated funds exceeds Congress' spending power.'

The remedy, Ginsburg says, is 'to bar the withholding found impermissible, not to scrap the expansion altogether.' There are five votes for that."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (d6QMz)

629 And good luck finding ANY economist who thinks raising taxes during a downturn is a good idea.

Ahem.

Posted by: Paul Krugman, Super Genius at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (tqwMN)

630 @329
Thats big actually. It says what I thought it would say regarding the commerce clause. The curveball was that anyone could take the tax argument with a strait face...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (t06LC)

631 Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (FCfv5)




I really, really loathe it when people post how they predicted this 'months ago'. I knew it was your post before I got to the sig line.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (X6akg)

632 >
The single largest tax increase in the history of tax increases and the
history of history. That'snot counting the othertax increasecoming on
January 1. You would think that Romney would have no trouble running and
winning against that.


You would think.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

633 Why is it always one of our SCOTUS justices who turns Quisling and not one of the left's?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (gx+8G)

634
Sorry about how the word spacing. It's correct when I write it.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (VLifP)

635 Mary Landrieu brings home the bacon. $700 million pieces, if I recall right.

Now the government bureaucracy has another blunt instrument with which to crucify its citizens, should they deign to have an inconvenient interpretation. This archive, poorly written (you have to pass the bill to understand it) bill will never have an honest judge to read it and to make sense of it. It goes the way of the current tax code, to be used as a club on those the government disagrees with and as an inducement (a la waivers) for those who support the dictatorial whims of the current leadership, whoever they may be at any given time. (Nixon could have terminated a lot of hippies with laws like this.)

Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (6W8+8)

636 "I told you to put those dicks down, gentlemen...

Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (8sCoq)"


Damn I needed that laugh.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (rX1N2)

637 Come on, ace. Can we start having prepping threads now?

Posted by: runninrebel at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (N/1Dm)

638
.....time to force a takeover of the Republican national convention and install the real conservative, Sarah Palin.

AHOY!!
...ah, thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Posted by: PALINISTO! at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (cUmUy)

639 Thoughts:
This now opens it up for a new case on constitutionality for Tax law not originating in the House.

Romney is now going to run on anti-big government

While this wasn't found as supported under Commerce, we need to roll this anger into a 10th Amendment Redux push. "28th Amendment: we really really want limited government, for realz this time"

Posted by: AustinLibertarian at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (nbZFF)

640 I'm fully expecting a second Obama term now. Why not? THEY ARE THE LAW.

We are doomed.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (4YUWF)

641 And good luck finding ANY economist who thinks raising taxes during a downturn is a good idea.
Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (Ky1+e)

I don't think the tax will be imposed until 2014. But that just gives conservative candidates two election cycles to run against it.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (9KqcB)

642 Another graph-

The case is easy and straightforward, however, in an- other respect. What is absolutely clear, affirmed by the text of the 1789 Constitution, by the Tenth Amendment ratified in 1791, and by innumerable cases of ours in the 220 years since, is that there are structural limits upon federal power—upon what it can prescribe with respect to private conduct, and upon what it can impose upon the sovereign States. Whatever may be the conceptual limits upon the Commerce Clause and upon the power to tax and spend, they cannot be such as will enable the Federal Government to regulate all private conduct and to com- pel the States to function as administrators of federal programs.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (r2PLg)

643
Wow! These new chains are surprisingly heavy!

Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (4I3Uo)

644 Brother Bluto epic rant in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (BAS5M)

645 Well, we do what the rats and pigs on the left have accused us of doing this whole time.
We stop hiring...entirely.
We stop purchasing discretionary goods...entirely (except for weapons and materiel).
We withdraw our capital and hide our assets.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (Ec6wH)

646 "Mittens will not sign a repeal."

There will be a revolution if he does not.

Believe me, if a GOP Congress sends him repeal, he will sign it faster than Joe Biden signs a deal to do hair plug commercials.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (IhUxK)

647 Roberts. SUPRA. GEEENIUS.

Or so everyone was claiming.

Posted by: Klawnet at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (a/VXa)

648 Seriously people, let's think this through.

McConnell and Boehner, two guys with no spines, are going to join a guy who liked mandates in 2007 in overturning Obamacare?

And meanwhile, the court ruled punitive taxes can compel the purchase of private goods.

That's forever. Get used to it. We'll see it again when we all buy solar panels under the next Obama.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (49lPc)

649 Why were the proponents so adamant during the passage that the mandate wasn't a tax? Was it a congressional procedural reason? Or just to avoid being hung with the tax and spend noose?

Posted by: California red at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (DXTKe)

650 So apparently Congress can tax you if you don't eat your broccoli

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at June 28, 2012 10:47 AM (e8kgV)

651 We fight on,don't get too down.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (Xb3hu)

652 Let's stop kidding ourselves, there are no silver linings today. So Roberts found an endpoint to a Commerce Clause that pretty much stretches to the point of absurdity. But what does that matter if all the government needs to do is fine the person for any action or non-action. The government doesn't even need to call it a tax. The federal government can basically do anything. Scalia was right. There is no point in calling states sovereign anymore. The states are mere municipalities of the federal government. And the US can no longer call the people sovereign anymore, we are mere subjects.

But the fight must continue. We must work to ensure that Mitt goes for repeal. I don't have a lot of confidence, but that is the fight that must be made right now. This sucks, it sucks bad. Now its up to us to try to get the right people elected who will fight to overturn this monstrosity, to restore liberty, to make the people the soverigns again. Get drunk today. Nurse the hangover tomorrow. Then let's rally again.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (gmeXX)

653 So the mandate has to go back through congress with the new "TAX" wording? Right? That should be fun.

Feeling strong, congress?

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (Ky1+e)

654 Well, at least this should galvanize our side into action. Kinda weak tea right now, but it's all I have keeping me from getting drunk at 7:45 AM.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (IlZPo)

655 It appears the Commerce Clause empowers Congress to regulate and control EVERY ASPECT OF HUMAN EXISTENCE.

Posted by: Jones in CO at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (8sCoq)

656 hey remember when breathing air was Free ?!

Posted by: willow at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (TomZ9)

657 the overnight thread led me to read up on Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571. an excerpt from the book seems very fitting right now:

'Hey boys,' he shouted, 'there's some good news! We just heard on the
radio. They've called off the search.' Inside the crowded plane there
was silence. As the hopelessness of their predicament enveloped them,
they wept. 'Why the hell is that good news?' Paez shouted angrily at
Nicolich. 'Because it means,' [Nicolich] said, 'that we're going to get
out of here on our own.' The courage of this one boy prevented a flood
of total despair.

The fight is just beginning. We'll fix this ourselves in November.

Posted by: Twig at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (w9N0m)

658 OMFG! What...what just happened?

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (20NzC)

659 Hey, what's Romney saying now about "On Day One"...

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (BAnPT)

660 THE UNICORNS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED

Posted by: tsj017 at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (4YUWF)

661 @610, I recommend you go read about the justices Romney appointed to positions in MA. LOL.

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (HS3dy)

662


Wow, we really DO need to secede.

Non-violently of course.


Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (LrHKJ)

663 Summary:


Roberts seats an illegal KENYAN as pOTUS who DICTATES illegal immigration, Obamacare and is supported by our gay pentagon.

Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (uRPLL)

664 >>With the progressive tax structure, it's more of a "Obama raised their
taxes" to pay for your health care. Going to be popular for those with
their hands out.

This.

>>well i'm sorry i ever believed i was free.


Born after 1932? You never were.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (/kI1Q)

665 Ginsburg wrote by herself.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (r2PLg)

666 Honestly, BO said he wasn't going to tax the poor and the middle class. But he is, if this a tax, then this is the biggest tax increase on the poor and the middle class in history. If you have 4 kids and are making 70 grand and just getting by, you are very upset right now.

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (oZfic)

667 @646: Congress won't send it. Even if we have a GOP majority in the Senate it won't survive there.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (tqwMN)

668
I channeled my inner Earl Warren.

Posted by: The Dread Just Us Roberts at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (cUmUy)

669 If your name has a Roberts in it? Change it. I hate you and I don't even know you.

Posted by: old glazier at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (Iz6HE)

670 Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2012 10:46 AM (X6akg)

Yup. I don't understand why people get satisfaction from that. This isn't horse racing or fantasy football, for pity's sake.

Easiest thing is to read sig line first and skip.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:48 AM (5H6zj)

671 I just donated $100 to Mitt. DO NOT ROBERTS US, WILLARD!!!

Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (qxcKC)

672

Sarah Palin tweets: “Obama lied to the American people. Again. He said it wasn’t a tax. Obama lies; freedom dies.”

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (HOOye)

673 Don't put your trust in the courts - I remember how sure everyone was that the Campaign Finance laws would be found unconstitutional.
Take back the government and break the law.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (rzSn3)

674 Too bad there is no chance in hell of getting a Constitutional Amendment to limit the Fed's power by limiting the scope of its taxing power and that of the commerce clause. There's just too much case law with bad precedent now in both cases.

Posted by: jim at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (VwhRo)

675 This now opens it up for a new case on constitutionality for Tax law not originating in the House.

Ha. That'll be the day. Some say the original tax law was not properly ratified. Do you think little details are going to stop something like this?

Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (6W8+8)

676 STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (SzAZ7)

677 People...Romney is not the solution. The solution is no longer political.

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (hm8tW)

678 I am now proposing the American Something Something Act. The government will annually assess a $2000 tax on citizens who don't own a working handgun.

Posted by: a_feral_duck at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (P7xkj)

679

What the SHIT? 200 comments in a MINUTE?

Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (LrHKJ)

680 Stress is bad- cortisol!

The best revenge is living well.

This will not stand.

Who put the pod under Robert's bed?!?!

Posted by: Justamom at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (Sptt8)

681
I lost all respect for John Roberts!

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (H7qBA)

682 Constitutional, mother fucker, do you speak it?

Posted by: dissenting justice jules at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (nrW1y)

683 With the House of Representatives tasked with all taxing powers, would this not mean that Obamacare has to go back to the drawing board? Obamacare was not passed as a TAX.

Get fired up people! 2012 election will be the most important election of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (uv9eO)

684 The single largest tax increase in the history of tax increases and the history of history. That'snot counting the othertax increasecoming on January 1. You would think that Romney would have no trouble running and winning against that.

And there is no way to discuss the Great Liberal Court Victory without the word "tax." That can't make Dave Axle's Rod happy.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (9KqcB)

685 Romney's site is unable to process my donation.

Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (qxcKC)

686 Even the illusion of freedom is gone. Please enjoy your soon to be mandated grocery shopping trips as we are forced to load up on the products of whoever is lining the crooked bastards pockets the most.
Nutritional science will soon be as much of a joke as climate science.

Posted by: AdamPM at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (glwa2)

687 Hmm... how are we going to enforce this tax? Guess now we're going to need a Civilian Security Force just as strong and just as well funded as the military...

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (+4Ho1)

688 A tax never before was established through a contract for services.
It is as simple as that.
Taxes are ubiquitous however, they are not tied to compulsory contracts.
I don't think Roberts understands the pandora's box he just opened by what he sees as a grand bargain in shutting this down under the commerce clause.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (QWOh7)

689 Why do the Doritos Loco Taco taste stale? What's up with that? They even need a little tray n' shit to keep 'em from falling apart.

Posted by: Grumpy Scalia at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (yn6XZ)

690 Can Roberts at least have his chief justice title stripped?

Thanks for nothing Bush, you fucking fuck.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (cmVhL)

691 Okay, so to make this about VP candidates -- Paul Ryan sounds better and better with each passing day.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (CA2NO)

692 "We stop hiring...entirely.
We stop purchasing discretionary goods...entirely (except for weapons and materiel).
We withdraw our capital and hide our assets."

Every employer needs to send letters to their employees, saying simply the following:

"Do you like your job? Good. Because if Obama wins another term, you won't have it because we are closing shop and moving to China. So if you like your job - if you like paying your mortgage, and feeding the wife and kiddies - then you will vote him out of office in November. Because if he wins another term, your chances of finding another job go from zip to zero overnight, and we are on the next plane out of the USA.

Thanks for your cooperation,

The Management."

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (IhUxK)

693 paragraph from Roberts--

******

We have no way of knowing how many States will accept the terms of the expansion, but we do not believe Congress would have wanted the whole Act to fall, simply because some may choose not to participate. The other reforms Congress enacted, after all, will remain “fully operative as a law,” Champlin, supra, at 234, and will still function in a way “consistent with Congress’ basic objec- tives in enacting the statute,” Booker, supra, at 259. Confident that Congress would not have intended any- thing different, we conclude that the rest of the Act need not fall in light of our constitutional holding.

*******

States--get the hell out.

Looks like you don't have to ACCEPT it.

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (r2PLg)

694 Just posted by John Boehner on his FB page:

"We
don’t have to accept ObamaCare, and its fees, tax hikes and
jobs-destroying mandates. We need to fully repeal ObamaCare and enact
common-sense, step-by-step reforms that protect Americans’ access to the
care they need, from the doctor they choose, at a lower cost."

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (20NzC)

695 I'm having a difficult time understanding why, if a majority finds the Act unconstitutional per the Commerce Clause, the court then affirms the goddamned thing via the taxing powers of the Congress. How does one power positively mitigate the unconstitutionality of another? I wouldn't expect a law to be held up by "any means necessary."

Posted by: skh.pcola at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (NO1RO)

696 Civil War

Posted by: Daybrother at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (X3HIv)

697 Chill, people: I would have actually been far more worried about our chances in November had the law been thrown out.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2012 10:44 AM (FCfv5)

You've been worrying warting about everything since the primary. You spent months say we had to go with Mitt, now you've spent months feeling that we are going to lose everytime a bad poll comes out, and now you somehow think that with bad poll numbers with our "best candidate" that somehow losing a court case where we could have struck down the entire thing is a blessing in desgise?

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (i3OIF)

698 Roberts thy name is traitor.

Posted by: American Public at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (msPO3)

699 >>There will be a revolution if he does not.


Nobody's revolting now. Nobody's going to revolt then.



I'm pretty sure exempting Muslims from this tax violates one of those romantic Civil War amendments about equality. And I'm pretty sure no one in the federal government gives a shit.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (/kI1Q)

700 This is particularly insidious and onerous for the poor and the lower middle class.

Guess who benefits here?

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (oZfic)

701 @170: Republicans have been running around promising to repeal it. Now they get that chance.

Now, that's fucking comedy gold right there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (zF6Iw)

702 I find this whole thing very taxing.

Posted by: lan sing at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (9/NoY)

703 WAR!

Posted by: The Spirit of Andrew Breitbart at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (tQHzJ)

704 So, I'm thinking if the fine/tax for not having healthcare is less than I pay now to be covered all year, why shouldn't I drop my coverage and just pay the tax when I need to go to the hospital/doctor? If pre-existing conditions have to be covered and all...

Posted by: Mainah at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (659DL)

705 Roberts, you fucking cocksucker. I hate you.

Posted by: Sean at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (E0rp6)

706 Conservatives are holding out hope for repeal in November but no way we hit 60 in the senate and No way the 40+ dems let it come to the floor. Crap.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (JKNDp)

707 Time to boot up and suit up team. Run for office!

Everyone needs to consider becoming a politician. No more bitching about wanting a balanced life. The enemy is at the gates.

Local, State and Federal... we need to steamroll the elected offices at every level. Start local, learn, grow, roll up to bigger offices.

Posted by: AustinLibertarian at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (nbZFF)

708 677 People...Romney is not the solution. The solution is no longer political.
Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (hm8tW)
----
Feel free to commit suicide then, troll, or emigrate, because that are your options.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (5H6zj)

709 From the bench, SCOTUS majority tips hand to re-elect Obama, at all costs.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (BAnPT)

710 Posted by: Anthony Kennedy, Defender of the Constitutional Republic


We are truly through the looking glass.

Posted by: fluffy in wonderland at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (z9HTb)

711 Bill Mitchell: "You wanted a pissed off motivated base Republicans? You got it."

You're an idiot.

What about all the Republicans who held their nose to vote for Bush in 2000 "for the Court appointments". We heard it a million times.

I was one who didn't like or trust the Bush family but I voted for him based on that argument alone.

Now what did I get for my trouble, voting for Bush because he was going to appoint Scalia-like justices?

Well, Roberts is no Scalia. As it turns out, he isn't even a Kennedy.

Anyone trying to spin this as some kind of win guaranteed to defeat Obama is lot like Jews celebrating the chance to clean up as they were marched to the "showers" in Auschwitz.

Posted by: TooCon at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (YcTIW)

712 "Hmm... how are we going to enforce this tax?"

What do you think all of Obama's drones are for?

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (IhUxK)

713 Lyle:Essentially,
a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup
argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as
establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers
a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the
Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce
Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax.
The third argument won.

So now "negative" conditions can trigger a tax? Utter tyranny.

Posted by: micmcn at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (tIQsx)

714 jim geraghty: The term "Obamacare" should be retired today. It is now "the Obama Health Care Tax."

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (myanI)

715 Stock market down over 1%. So far.

That guy who wrote "The Great Destroyer" (IIRC)really called it.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (As94z)

716 690 Wasn't everyone on the right ecstatic over the Roberts pick?Can't blame this on Bush.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (Xb3hu)

717 Now, that's fucking comedy gold right there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (zF6Iw)

no shit

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (tw6Ar)

718 Mitt must frame this as a tax and an attack on basic rights.
But mostly as a tax, because, sadly, that's what moves most people.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (xiJmL)

719 704 So, I'm thinking if the fine/tax for not having healthcare is less than I pay now to be covered all year, why shouldn't I drop my coverage and just pay the tax when I need to go to the hospital/doctor?

---

I think a lot (most?) employers require you to carry insurance.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

720 Woooah--

look at this paragraph from the MAJORITY opinion--

Justice Roberts--

********

As for the Medicaid expansion, that portion of the Af-fordable Care Act violates the Constitution by threatening existing Medicaid funding. Congress has no authority to order the States to regulate according to its instructions. Congress may offer the States grants and require the States to comply with accompanying conditions, but the States must have a genuine choice whether to accept the offer. The States are given no such choice in this case:

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

721 Having this prevail as a Tax is fitting irony for a president who stated it wasn't a tax all along.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (QWOh7)

722 runninrebel - yes, we need a good tutorial on using dry ice to proof your rice buckets.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 10:52 AM (WkuV6)

723 I hate to say it, but I had a hunch. If you want to get rid of it, it needs to be repealed. If you want it repealed, get off your assess and elect people who want it repealed. Piece by piece this whole clusterfark could disappear, including the "mandate" tax. First, start with voting out Barack Obama and anyone with "D" beside his/her name.

Posted by: Wendy at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (KydDZ)

724 Okay, Boehner. Where is that immediate repeal of Obamacare vote - for whatever it's worth?

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (Ks0w4)

725 So if I don't by 5 lbs of broccoli a week, can I be Taxed $100,000? After all, it's just a tax?


Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (X/+QT)

726 SCotUS just basically said to Pelosi when she gets her speakership back....

"Go ahead and do whatever the fuck you want we'll find a way to make it legal...."

fuck you Roberts

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (LRFds)

727 There was ample reason to over rule this abortion, but the way forward is to elect a new majority in the Senate and a different President and fix this terrible piece of legislation. This abortion of the law.

That changes nothing. Thanks to this abortion of a ruling Congress now has unlimited power so even if we vote in a new majority in November what's the point? We won't hold the majority forever and the very next Congress can just come right back in and create another "tax" mandate.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (t2cnv)

728 Some of you keep saying that the GOP and Romney will repeal it.

You sound like the Marines in Aliens.

And I'm Hudson.

GAME OVER, MAN!

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (B/yDO)

729 So this is why they beefed up the IRS. No wonder they are advertising food stamps, families are going to really need those food stamps.

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (oZfic)

730 “If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”

Thomas Jeferson

Posted by: Mekan at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (hm8tW)

731 Okay, Boehner. Where is that immediate repeal of Obamacare vote - for whatever it's worth?

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (Ks0w4)

hahaAt least we got bike trails

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (tw6Ar)

732 I hope Mercatus Institute or Heritage or someone is working up the materials showing what the tax increase is per capita that Obama and the Democrats passed.

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (5H6zj)

733 We're stuck with ORomneycare forever

Posted by: That guy at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (a4lmz)

734 Senate campaigns.... House campaigns... donate whatever you can... make it so Mitt must sign the repeal...

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (Bxm/r)

735 Last graph from Justice Roberts--

******

They must either accept a basic change in the nature of Medicaid, or risk losing all Medicaid funding. The remedy for that constitutional violation is to preclude the Federal Government from imposing such a sanction. That remedy does not require striking down other portions of the Af- fordable Care Act.
The Framers created a Federal Government of limited powers, and assigned to this Court the duty of enforcing those limits. The Court does so today. But the Court does not express any opinion on the wisdom of the Affordable Care Act. Under the Constitution, that judgment is re- served to the people.
The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit is affirmed in part and reversed in part.
It is so ordered.

*******

Posted by: tasker at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (r2PLg)

736 With the House of Representatives tasked with all taxing powers, would this not mean that Obamacare has to go back to the drawing board? Obamacare was not passed as a TAX. Get fired up people! 2012 election will be the most important election of our lifetimes.
Posted by: Deli LLama at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (uv9eO)

They are all important. Forgetting that to play games with the other side is what got us here in the first place.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (rzSn3)

737
I'm having a difficult time understanding why, if a majority finds the Act unconstitutional per the Commerce Clause, the court then affirms the goddamned thing via the taxing powers of the Congress. How does one power positively mitigate the unconstitutionality of another? I wouldn't expect a law to be held up by "any means necessary."

It was the fig leaf Roberts needed to get his Souter on.

Posted by: Not Dick Saslaw at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (yPNqR)

738 Geharaghty is write. We must call it the Obama Health Care Tax. Or the Obama Breathing Tax.

Posted by: SH at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (gmeXX)

739 CNN June 26 Rachel Streitfeld from Salem, Virginia:

"Romney tips hand on SCOTUS health care response"

Romney, whose criticism of the president's health care reform initiative
has been a rallying cry on the stump, continued: "If it is deemed to
stand, then I'll tell you one thing. Then we'll have to have a president
– and I'm that one – that's gonna get rid of Obamacare. We're gonna
stop it on day one."

HOW?

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (BAnPT)

740 The gamesmanship for the election is besides the point.

The larger point is the government can do whatever it wants.

Why anyone would want American citizenship now is beyond me.

Posted by: Mr. Walkway at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (e+4ku)

741 On the positive side, the Dow is looking good...

Posted by: holygoat at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (auGuV)

742 Well, on the plus side, this reinforces my commitment to the idea of Texas secession. Time to get busy on that again.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (zZngy)

743 Dear Ms. Pelosi:

We have read your document to find out what is in it.

It is a tax.

Sincerely,
Johnny R.

Posted by: Urgent Memo at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (96M6e)

744
Roe v. Wade?
Kelo?
ACA?
See, we expound on the wisdom of the court when it rules in "our" favor, and lambast them when they don't. Rulings in "our" favor usually just uphold the constitution as written and only for the moment (Heller), as the Left will attack from another angle immediately.
Rulings that work against the common understanding of the constitution, change the meaning of that document forever, usually by stripping rights from the individual and the states, and giving power to Leviathan.
Nine punks in robes, in which the hopes and dreams of freedom rest, and yet history indicates otherwise, doesn't it?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (ORvjs)

745 So Anthony Kennedy voted to strike it down, and Roberts voted to uphold.

Thanks a lot, President Bush. It wasn't enough that you drove the party's popularity into the ground and our country's deficits higher than ever before, and paved the way for Obama.

No, you had to give us the last vote to uphold ObamaCare, just to add that final twist of the knife in conservatives' backs.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (ttktr)

746 SCOTUS BLOG:

The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (136wp)

747 Another Roe vs. Wade debacle of the court. It will be an ever-present boil that does nothing but create division in our society. We are doomed. Suddenly, racism seems like a small matter, when we build codify this sort of divisiveness.

Roberts has allows the Constitution to become a suicide pact.

Posted by: Jay Bee at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (6W8+8)

748 685
Romney's site is unable to process my donation.


Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 10:50 AM (qxcKC)

Everyone needs to donate $10, just to get the point across

Posted by: phreshone at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (Bxm/r)

749 C-SPAN live online video

McConnell response to SCOTUS ObamaCare

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (BAnPT)

750 Fat fucking lot of good I did trying to educate my fourteen readers about principles and freedom.

I just quit blogging. Fuck this shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (d0Tfm)

751 "Having this prevail as a Tax is fitting irony for a president who stated it wasn't a tax all along. "

Irony meter goes to 11.
Head asplodes.

Posted by: PsychoDad at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (1CKyO)

752 HOW?


Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (BAnPT)

you have to elect him to find out

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (tw6Ar)

753 "No Family making under 250,000/yr will see a tax increase."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (myanI)

754 576
Thank you Jeff for the clarity, That gives me a more hopeful perspective.
I hope fighting/repealing this monstrosity energizes our voting public. We have just been shown we have to fight to maintain our rights to our freedom!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (7MyjZ)

755 So the IRS is going to run health care now. Can we get thrown in jail for not buying health insurance now? What fun this new country is.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (SzAZ7)

756 Conservatives are holding out hope for repeal in November but no way we hit 60 in the senate and No way the 40+ dems let it come to the floor. Crap.Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 10:51 AM (JKNDp)That was my thought too (no way we get 60 votes in the Senate), but now that this is interpreted as a tax, doesn't that make it a budget issue?

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (fEXaF)

757 That changes nothing. Thanks to this abortion of a ruling Congress now has unlimited power so even if we vote in a new majority in November what's the point? We won't hold the majority forever and the very next Congress can just come right back in and create another "tax" mandate.
Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 10:53 AM (t2cnv)
Then write an amendment that says it has no such power. And don't let the bastards in again.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (rzSn3)

758 "Thanks for nothing Bush, you fucking fuck."

What are you blaming Bush for? He didn't know back then that Roberts would do this. BTW, Bush also named Samuel Alito, who, if I remember, is in the Scalia-Thomas wing.

And even though Roberts sucks for this, remember that it was his vote that upheld Citizens United, which is the only way we can outraise The Cancer in fundraising.

Don't blame Bush. That is misguided. He didn't know Roberts would be a prick years later.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (IhUxK)

759 745 No, you had to give us the last vote to uphold ObamaCare, just to add that final twist of the knife in conservatives' backs.

I hope it's the final one, but I wouldn't bet that way.

Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (Hl5ka)

760
House Republicans streamed into a closed-door meeting, silent and appearing dazed. "We're still digesting it, but it seems pretty disappointing that the government can say now that tax," said Rep. Jim Jordan (R, Ohio).

Rep. Steve LaTourette (R.,Ohio) said that "it's great that the system works -- I think people are surprised that the chief justice was the deciding vote, but I do think it puts to rest this notion that he was going to be a rubber stamp for Republican ideology."

WSJ



"It's great that THE SYSTEM WORKS?" Yeah, these are the guys that are going to repeal this....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (kdS6q)

761 SCOTUS BLOG:

Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (136wp)

762 This should have never been this close to begin with. The fact that if we won it would have been 5-4 would have lulled us into security that there is integrity in the system. This is a more honest outcome because it showed just how dishonest the federal motherfuckers are.

the federal government always takes care of the federal government.

But yes, fuck you Roberts. You are dead to me.


Posted by: COUP D'ETAT at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (qxcKC)

763 STRANGE NEW RESPECT for Roberts on FB and Twitter...
===========
No fucking shit, gawddamn they are gloating.
=============

Let me be very clear here, as clear as I can: There is only one solution to this problem. And I intend to tell every single representative I have. And it is this:
NO STATE RESOURCES SHALL BE USED TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF THE ACA AGAINST ANY CITIZEN OF THIS STATE.

Yes, that means WAR. But it was war they wanted and it is war they shall get.

Get your representatives on the line and make them take this pledge:

Will you promise to enact the following: NO STATE RESOURCES SHALL BE USED TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OF THE ACA AGAINST ANY CITIZEN OF THIS STATE.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (kSaUf)

764 Anyone got a notion to ammend the Constitution to get the goddamn Commerce Clause under control?

Posted by: Jaws at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (4I3Uo)

765 McConnell, "This bill was NOT a tax. The SCOTUS has spoken: this bill IS a tax." Bill sold on deception.

Ultimately, it depends on what "is" is.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (BAnPT)

766 Kennedy's dissent is probably deeply dishonest. He is merely trying to save himself from the well deserved reputation as a Sandra O'Connor airhead, spineless quisling.

This was a compromise decision between Roberts and Kennedy. Kennedy would have upheld.

Roberts got to write the decision rejecting the commerce clause provision, and Kennedy got the decision he wanted without further staining his historical reputation as a shallow, unprincipled zero desperate for the approval of his social class.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (iuHbc)

767 "It's great that THE SYSTEM WORKS?" Yeah, these are the guys that are going to repeal this....


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 10:55 AM (kdS6q)

lol

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:56 AM (tw6Ar)

768

How can they tax you for not buying broccoli???

How much authority is given to the IRS to invade our homes to determine what "tax" should be paid in the future?

Can we get a "no condom" tax going so that Catholics can get jailed?

How about a "no pork chop" tax for observant Jews?

Delightful.


Posted by: imp at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (LrHKJ)

769 Mandate gun ownership and see how long liberals like it. And start using the taxing power to tax the ever loving shit out of abortion clinics. I hate to recommend it, but maybe we have to start abusing the powers of government against liberals, just so they can see why it's a bad thing. Because right now, they seem to think it's funny as hell.

Posted by: Aaron at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (Tlix5)

770 Repeal is A LOT more healthy for democracy and history than going away on a 5-4 vote.


Posted by: Serious Cat at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (zrpqj)

771 "It is now "the Obama Health Care Tax."

The Obama Death Tax. Ready to Suck the Life Blood Out of Every American Home.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (IhUxK)

772 My understanding of standing is that the "tax" cannot be challenged until someone has to pay it, is that correct?

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (WkuV6)

773 "I will not comply."



When they come for me, I will tell them to tell Obama that Commie Fuck to shove it up his wife's pussy.



And, man, will I say that.


Do you already have health insurance? Then you're not subject to the tax.

Want to not pay the tax? First you have to drop your health insurance? Probably for a full year.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (kqqGm)

774 Watch for the stealth progressive republicans to try and take both sides. Rubio just parsed his response. Romney had better come out very strongly against this.

Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (UWp/G)

775 SCOTUSblog-

"Amy Howe: Take a quick look at Footnote 11, which is on page 44 of the slip opinion: Those subject to the individual mandate may lawfully forgo health insurance and pay higher taxes, or buy health insurance and pay lower taxes. The only thing that they may not lawfully do is buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (d6QMz)

776 Full Repeal the ONLY way to fix ObamaCare, precisely what Republicans are committed to doing. -- McConnell

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (BAnPT)

777 >>So now "negative" conditions can trigger a tax?

It's a tax on being alive.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (/kI1Q)

778

Why anyone would want American citizenship now is beyond me.

We are citizens of the world, comrade!

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (cUmUy)

779 This stinks and is suspect.
Here is why.
They level this as a so called, "Tax" to settle the constitutionality of ACA but then state that it isn't a Tax and subject to the Anti-Injuction Act.
This is mental legal yoga and is terribly wrong to uphold something like this under such terms as a tax and then to deligitimize it as a Tax, which is the very thing that caused it to be upheld as "Constitutional."

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:58 AM (QWOh7)

780 758

Bush didn't even want to nominate Alito. He wanted to nominate Harriet Miers, who I would guess would be closer to Roberts' majority op today than Alito's dissent

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:58 AM (B/yDO)

781 The ACA is dead under he Commerce Clause -- the only silver lining to this shit sandwich.

Taxes can be lowered. Taxes can be eliminated.

Anything that passes muster under the Commerce Clause, however, is forever.

This can still be beaten incrementally, the same way the left passed it.

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 10:58 AM (7+pP9)

782 Don`t know if this has been said; to all you young obama voting idiots with no health insurance, guess what`s going to hit you right smack in the ass? Yeah,that`s right, a tax, and a big one.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 28, 2012 10:58 AM (LdD5g)

783 Move beyond constitutional debate. -- McConnell

There is no longer any relevance granted to any constitutional debate. Move beyond the Constitution. That's been Obama's goal from the start, his plan all along, and he has achieved it.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (BAnPT)

784 This is an epic fuck up by SCOTUS on the order of Wickard v Fillburn.

Even if Romneycare is repealed, and don't hold your breath, all mandates are now valid if enforced by IRS.

Posted by: Some dope at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (plNej)

785 The gamesmanship for the election is besides the point. The larger point is the government can do whatever it wants. Why anyone would want American citizenship now is beyond me.
Posted by: Mr. Walkway at June 28, 2012 10:54 AM (e+4ku)

You didn't need SCOTUS to tell you that...they've been doing it for a generation.
Using Government Power to block Government Power doesn't make it any weaker.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (rzSn3)

786 Romney had better come out very strongly against this.


Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (UWp/G)

Full Repeal the ONLY way to fix ObamaCare, precisely what Republicans are committed to doing. -- McConnell


Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (BAnPT)


muwahahaha

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (tw6Ar)

787 >>I will tell them to tell Obama that Commie Fuck to shove it up his wife's pussy.

As if he could find it with a map and a flashlight.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (/kI1Q)

788


The health-care industry expects a jump in employment with the upholding of the health-care law and the mandate that everyone buy insurance, writes career website FINS.com.

More money will flow to “pharmaceutical companies, doctors, hospitals, the people they employ, and even insurers,” said Joseph White, Luxenberg Family Professor of Public Policy and chair of the Department of Political Science at Case Western Reserve University.

Job growth will likely be strongest in the primary care and home care fields, said Joanne Spetz, a professor at the Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California, San Francisco. The demand for health-care workers like dietitians, social workers and hospital administrators will also increase.

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (HOOye)

789 All Eeoryes suck it up. Confine all lamentations to the Val-U-Rite aisle of the liquor store where the commies can't see it. Don't give them the satisfaction.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (xiJmL)

790 I know which opinion I'm going to read:

"By the way, the opinions collectively are a
monster. The Chief's opinion is 59 pages, Justice Ginsburg's opinion is
61 pages, the four dissenters are 65 pages, followed by a short
two-pager from Justice Thomas. You do the math."

Posted by: The Q at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (B/yDO)

791 From Zip...Romney campaign raises 100K in a hour after the ruling.

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (20NzC)

792 "Anyone got a notion to ammend the Constitution to get the goddamn Commerce Clause under control?"

You need 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress and 3/4ths of the States (that's 38 of them).

Find me enough fucking Democrats who will back a repeal of anything nowadays except to give gays the right to marry and Muslims the right to kill Jews. Unless, that is, we take a shitload of seats in Congress, which doesn't appear likely.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:59 AM (IhUxK)

793 "Amy Howe: Take a quick look at Footnote 11, which is on page 44 of the slip opinion: Those subject to the individual mandate may lawfully forgo health insurance and pay higher taxes, or buy health insurance and pay lower taxes. The only thing that they may not lawfully do is buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax."
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 10:57 AM (d6QMz)
How does that help employers when all their employees think they "deserve" to have free health coverage? The employer gets screwed over by paying the higher taxes when his or her employees take the free stuff and don't pay the tax because they don't make enough.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (i3OIF)

794 Um... I sure hope the slip opinion foot note reference was wrong.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (QWOh7)

795
If Roberts doesn't flip, you've got a 6-3 opinion. Unassultable, and not a 5-4 to complain about.
So...erg...erg...what happened?
Volokh has an answer to that: http://t.co/krBr57AP

Posted by: tsrblke at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (22rSN)

796 "The only thing that they may not lawfully do is buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax."

DOUBLE taxation

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (BAnPT)

797 755 So the IRS is going to run health care now. Can we get thrown in jail for not buying health insurance now? What fun this new country is.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head


Not just thrown in jail, but done so using the abbreviated "due process" of the tax courts.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (WkuV6)

798 "The Court has now recessed."

And they're running through their hidden tunnels to waiting armored cars to whisk them away to Reagan National, to GTFO of town before they're mobbed.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (HzR5W)

799
Okay, Boehner. Where is that immediate repeal of Obamacare vote - for whatever it's worth?
Posted by: Marybeth




Sorry, No can do.

But here, have a student loan and a farm subsidy,

Posted by: John Boehner

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (kdS6q)

800
They sure as shit fooled me about John Roberts when he was nominated. He's dead to me. Fucking douchenozzle.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (m193R)

801 and the republic dies today with thunderous applause..... Roberts throws the nation under the bus.

Posted by: Sapper331 at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (Fy6Km)

802
@Bill Mitchell,

I'm not willing to characterize this as a huge win yet, but I mostly agree with your points.
The Democrats can no longer say this tax really isn't a tax. Americans don't want higher taxes and this gives conservatives an advantage. The middle class and the not-so-middle class won't be suckered into believing that the "rich" are going to pay for healthcare.
The court properly putthe issueback into the realm of politics instead of creating a right out of whole cloth as they did with Roe v. Wade. Unpopular laws can influence elections.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (hzV1U)

803 Romney had better come out very strongly against this.

We'll hear a whole lot. Words (mostly false ones) are all we'll hear. Romney got this ball rolling with Masshole Care.

I haven't been this angry in a long, long time. GODDAMMIT!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (d0Tfm)

804 STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase? OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at June 28, 2012 10:49 AM (SzAZ7)

It is officially now a tax increase. You own it Barry. Have fun with that.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (9KqcB)

805 Makes complete sense - Roberts hates activism. He's made the ACA easy to repeal and stuck a huge knife into Obama's campaign by calling it a tax increase. He's handed this to congress on a silver platter so that it's the people, not a judge that ends Obamacare, now it's on use to get people with backbones in the proper position. Roberts may have just made 2012 a cake walk by making Obama the largest taxing president in history.

Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (obXkJ)

806 Cantor schedules a repeal vote in 2 weeks:

"The decision by the Supreme Court to uphold ObamaCare is a crushing blow to patients throughout the country.

During the week of July 9th, the House of Representatives will vote to repeal ObamaCare."

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (20NzC)

807 >>to all you young obama voting idiots with no health insurance, guess
what`s going to hit you right smack in the ass? Yeah,that`s right, a
tax, and a big one.

...not the funemployed ones.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (/kI1Q)

808 640
I'm fully expecting a second Obama term now. Why not? THEY ARE THE LAW.


We are doomed.




Why , exactly, did you ever expect anything else?

Posted by: The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (HNn1q)

809
>>Reagan National
You know what would make that look better? My name.

Posted by: B.O.'s BO at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (yPNqR)

810 Republicans talk the talk.

"On Day One" ... day two, day three...

"Promise them anything. Just get their votes." -- Romney '08

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (BAnPT)

811 Donate to Romney today. It's the best way to show our outrage.

Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (hNLFW)

812 "The only thing that they may not lawfully do is not buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax."

I *thought* that was a typo.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience/SMOD 2012 at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (HzR5W)

813 Another conservative gets captured by the DC culture.

Posted by: Spike at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (OHvic)

814 OK.. Amy just cleaned up a typo in her reference to footnote 41.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:01 AM (QWOh7)

815 >>During the week of July 9th, the House of Representatives will vote to repeal ObamaCare.

...and that's as far as it gets. And the squishy middle hates Republicans for lying to them about repeal.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (/kI1Q)

816 Wasn't Roberts the Justice attacked from the podium at the State of the Union?

This just doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right to a lot of folks.

Funny the inside the beltway crowd is celebrating. Sure, all my friends there have jobs and government provided health care. Of course they cheer, they are all exempt from any of this.

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (oZfic)

817 Are there any other challenges to Obamacare from states moving through the lower courts right now?

Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (5H6zj)

818
There are actually 2 big wins and one posible future one in this for conservatives:


1) The Commerce Clause now has limits. this was previously the uber-clause that trumped every other limit on congressional power. This is, as they say, not nothing.


2) Congressional power to take away state money is also limited. this has been a favored way of getting the states to fall in line over the years. If these two findings had existed in 2009, Obamacare would never have passed.


3) Obama now has to run on a tax increase as part of his signature accomplishment. We'll have to see how that works out for him.


Still sucks, but not as bad as it seemed at first.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (Hj9yW)

819 Regarding Bush, may I remind folks of how ardently he was defended well after he established he was not conservative, but a noblesse oblige liberal.

Just because a man is attacked viciously and unfairly by the Left, and just because he happens to exhibit human decency unknown on the Left, does not make him a conservative.

Conservatives NEVER (ok, rarely) called W on account of his policies.

Did anyone notice how he never, never, never stuck up for his conservative judicial nominees, nor resort to any political leadership in saving their nominations?

Guess why.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (iuHbc)

820 "As if he could find it with a map and a flashlight."

Remember, folks: while Obama is dancing over his right to rape what is left of your family's finances that he has not gotten his greedy miserly hands on, his douchebag wife The Moocher is vacationing on our dime in London at the Olympics, buying more top of the line suits to wear at campaign rallies and fundraisers.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (IhUxK)

821 THIS IS A WIN. 70% of Americans HATE the mandate. That's going to be a lead weight on the dems going into November. Obama won the battle and lost the war, both for himself and any other Dems leading by only a few points.

If the Nove elections don't lead to 60 Republicans in the Senate, at least a few Dem Senators should be so terrified of the political bloodbath they've just seen (in Nov) to induce them to cross the aisle to repeal.

As important, it makes clear that if Congress wants to implement this kind of sweeping social legislation they are going to have to do it explicitly with taxes, not under the cover of Commerce or Necessary & Proper clauses. That's a huge brake on future growth of welfare state.

Watch Romney's numbers over the next couple of weeks.

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (0VqvZ)

822 796 "The only thing that they may not lawfully do is buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax."

DOUBLE taxation
Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (BAnPT)

Amy's 10:56 -- typo: The only thing that they may not lawfully do is not buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (136wp)

823 Reality Man.
We like the cut of your jib.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (QWOh7)

824
780
Nominating GWB back in 2000 was the most catastrophic decision the GOP has ever made.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (m193R)

825 This does a few things for the Conservative cause:
No libtard can ever again say this court is extreme right.
The congress has been limited in Commerce Clause power.
Obama can now be called a liar on "no taxes for the middle class" for the rest of the election cycle, dragging the rest of the demsluts down with him. To say it isn't a tax then send lawyers to court to call it taxes, then have the Supreme Court put TAX in bold, is a big talking point.
States can opt out, which will prevent the liberal dream "universal health care".
Republicans are fired up, and hopefully the next congress will start impeaching some judges, and will more carefully scrutinize judicial appointments.

The bad news:
More confusion for employers, which means the economy doesn't get the boost that defeating Obamacare would have provided. But if this causes Romney to surge, that will boost the stock market and economy.

Posted by: Smarty at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (u5y7Y)

826 Boehner and McConnell just issued statements: It will be repealed.

Posted by: joanne is not happy dammit at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (GCsZz)

827 possible to put thong panties on sideways.

Even on this dire occasion some moron comments forth and demands

"Pics or it didn't happen"

Posted by: DaveA at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (EyTMo)

828 Well Romney sure has a very good line:

Obamacare, the largest tax increase in American History!!!

Posted by: JimK at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (jLgIs)

829
Not just thrown in jail, but done so using the abbreviated "due process" of the tax courts.
Posted by: Jean




The court without that boring presumption of innocence.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (kdS6q)

830 The worst part of this is we are going to have to listen to the Jug Eared FUCK gloat about this for the next week or two. I am literally sick to my stomach. At this rate might as well just let the motherfucker have another term. It will all unravel soon after his second inauguration.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM (jucos)

831 Does this include illegal aliens? Do they have to buy health insurance or are we all treating them to healthcare still?

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (oZfic)

832 What is wrong with you people? This is a (net) big win for us.

Yes, the economy is going to take a nosedive (no, libs, that isn't the big win part -- we all lose when the economy goes) at least for the next few months. But there will be endless opportunities to explain WHY the economy is nosediving just at this point, and here we are just a few months from November. And endless opportunities to point out that the SC said this was a TAX that Obama had sworn we wouldn't see a dime of. Also, Romney will be forced to full on recommit himself to repeal, over and over and over. Remember: this still isn't a popular law.

We're going to win on Nov 6.

IF, and I mean IF -- we don't lose focus, we keep up our efforts and we don't lose hope. Pray. Chin up, people. And get to work.

Posted by: Eviva at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (ncBGw)

833



"So it is written. So let it be done."

Posted by: Pharaoh "without a heart" at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (BAnPT)

834 Makes complete sense - Roberts hates activism. He's made the ACA easy to repeal and stuck a huge knife into Obama's campaign by calling it a tax increase. He's handed this to congress on a silver platter so that it's the people, not a judge that ends Obamacare, now it's on use to get people with backbones in the proper position. Roberts may have just made 2012 a cake walk by making Obama the largest taxing president in history.
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:00 =================================================
This. The whole thing was a really tax from the beginning...or why have the IRS in charge of it? Did we all miss that point? That said, then aren't all those waivers illegal?

Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (efQBX)

835 "Are there any other challenges to Obamacare from states moving through the lower courts right now?"

The courts can't help us. We either need to win the Senate and the presidency, or we need mass resistance to The Cancer's Tax Shock Troops, coming to your home to break down your door to take their money from you.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (IhUxK)

836 If Obama thinks Roberts has done him a favor, he's badly mistaken. This decision is political poison to Obama and his party, both now and for decades to come (re: limiting Commerce power).

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (0VqvZ)

837 Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of unintended conscequences!

Posted by: Stuff Shakespeare said or not at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (+tbfW)

838 SCOTUS Blog:

From the beginning of the Chief's opinion: "We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation's elected leaders. We ask only whether Congress has the power under the Constitution to enact the challenged provisions."

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (136wp)

839 >>The employer gets screwed over by paying the higher taxes when his or
her employees take the free stuff and don't pay the tax because they
don't make enough.

If it's not a government job, it's not a real job anyway, remember....

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (/kI1Q)

840 We are supposed to rely on someone from Massachusetts who designed this fucking CommieCare bullshit to get it repealed?

Might as well rely on the fox to watch the chickens.

Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (p39GY)

841 This opinion is absolutely horseshit.
Even if the mandate may reasonably be characterized as a tax, it must still comply with the Direct Tax Clause, which provides: “No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” Art. I, §9, cl. 4. A tax on going without health insurance is not like a capitation or other direct tax under this Court’s precedents

So a "tax" on my not purchasing a private product and laid only on people not purchasing a private product isn't a direct tax.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (t2cnv)

842 "Romney campaign raises 100K in a hour after the ruling."

Well, this kind of explains the frantic fundraising King Putt has been doing.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (xiJmL)

843 Makes complete sense - Roberts hates activism. He's made the ACA easy to repeal and stuck a huge knife into Obama's campaign by calling it a tax increase. He's handed this to congress on a silver platter so that it's the people, not a judge that ends Obamacare, now it's on use to get people with backbones in the proper position. Roberts may have just made 2012 a cake walk by making Obama the largest taxing president in history.
Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (obXkJ)
But that's based on Romney defeating the "fariness" and class warfare arguments? How are we supposed to beat one of Obama's most popular arguments. If Roberts was trying to be clever here, that is a really crappy way to screw with the country when could have just voted against the thing.

Posted by: joe at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (i3OIF)

844 OK, I am coming around to this being called a Tax will be a Yoda jeddi force like matrix Obama paradox for Obama in so much as he NOW OWNS A TAX.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (QWOh7)

845
Well, my little one-CPA firm has been growing steadily, and yesterday I signed a new lease to double my office.

I have 3 days to cancel the contract, and I am now thinking about doing so because of this atrosity.

Why do I want to expand and hire anyone other than family, which is allI have on staff now? Who knows what other ridiculous crap is coming down the pike?

Our only hope - God help us - is now Romney a bunch of spineless GOP jellyfish?

Ugh. I just want to hide under a rock.

I need my head examined for thinking my business will continue to grow, when our government is doing everything it can to keep it down.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (Ks0w4)

846

Focus on the fight, now.
Getting Romney in. It's all we've got atm.

If you can turn off the tv/internetz, etc - do it, if it helps to keep you calm. Ace's site is guaranteed to help you through bad times - there's always a chuckle here and there.

I feel for Ace, and other bloggers who have to force themselves to listen to Obama's address, and others this week and next.

I will be tuned out. And, sending money to Romney.

Going to go outside in the sun and read a good book.

Tomorrow is another day, guys. Let this one go, and reload tomorrow.

Posted by: cheers, or no? at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (HOOye)

847 About time the Republicans quit calling the SCOTUS to babysit, playing Mother May I with Congress.



Congress writes bills. Congress repeals bills.

Posted by: Pharaoh at June 28, 2012 11:05 AM (BAnPT)

848 I guess if you (judges) don't step back and look at the big picture, it makes sense.

You currently get a tax break if you have an electric vehicle (from the private sector). That's no different than saying, your tax rate is 99% comrade, unless you own an electric vehicle, then it's just 25%.

It's coercive beyond the pale and unAmerican, But if you can 'lay taxes' (and deductions), then you have the authority to do so. Technically.

'Activity' judges are also supposed to take a look at the big picture and say "WTF!" They didn't.


So we temporarily stop them on the CC (and this MAY be a good win on the CC), but now we shift the fight to the taxsation power which will be harder since they had the chance to say this was coercive but didn't (as the Med provision was coercive).

Fucking messed up ruling from all angles. Need to read it later.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (X/+QT)

849 It's good to know that Pelosi and Obama really, truly are Constitutional experts.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (Asr6U)

850 It is officially now a tax increase. You own it Barry. Have fun with that.
Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (9KqcB)
---------------------------------------------------------
HE. DOESN'T. CARE! It is all going according to his plan.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (jucos)

851 The courts can't help us. We either need to win the Senate and the presidency, or we need mass resistance to The Cancer's Tax Shock Troops, coming to your home to break down your door to take their money from you.
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:04 AM (IhUxK)
I think you mean the Death Tribunal's Shock Troops.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (rzSn3)

852
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (0VqvZ)

Do we really need 60 votes now that it's a tax?

Posted by: Mark at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (fEXaF)

853 Doctrine of Affections, "sad, reflective" Baroque movement playing from C-SPAN Senate Quorum Call

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (BAnPT)

854 1) The Commerce Clause now has limits. this was previously the uber-clause that trumped every other limit on congressional power. This is, as they say, not nothing.

How limited, Lochnar limited or wink and nod limited.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (WkuV6)

855 STEPHANOPOULOS: "That may be, but it’s still a tax increase."

OBAMA: "No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase...Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs."

http://bit.ly/N0rr6F

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at June 28, 2012 11:07 AM (d6QMz)

856 The right will claim it's a huge tax, on everyone. So what's the left going to have to say? Something like, "No, it's not a tax on everyone. It's only a tax on people who choose not to buy health insurance. If you buy health insurance, you don't have to pay the tax. So it's a very small tax."

Oh, so then it's a tax ONLY on poor people.

That should go over well.

Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (Hl5ka)

857 Which Red State is going to be the first to flip the bird to the expansions of the law, keep their existing medicaid funds, and then enact a state tax credit to cover 100% of the costs of the Obamacare Tax?

Posted by: Stirner at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (nTjSs)

858 For the people that are all skippity doo-da Obama has to run on a tax. Watch for more companies to donate to him for a waiver. The silver lining you are reaching for has a big ass streak mark of corruption on it.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (UZQM8)

859 I guess Bush's Magic 8 Ball was on the fritz?

Take a fucking breath, people and file this under "people suck." You want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at Roberts. He did this.

In a few hours I think we'll see that the dems are in a very shitty place right now.

I believe that the mandate will have to go back to the house for a rewording with TAX written all over it. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (Ky1+e)

860 I'm out. I always like working for cash anyway.

Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (p39GY)

861 826
Boehner and McConnell just issued statements: It will be repealed.



Crackehs, please!

Posted by: The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (HNn1q)

862 "No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to
take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax
increase."

If Romney's people have two brain cells to rub together, the ad is half in the can by now.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (xiJmL)

863 Is there anything else this goddamned government can take away from me? NAFTA took my fucking job away and gave it some Mexican. Now this shit. I'm so fucking glad I'm old and won't be around much longer. I've never been so mad at the assholes in Washington.

And the worse part of it is, what the Commies swore they'd do to us back in the fifties and sixties, they did. Every fucking bit of it. They took over the media, Hollywood, the schools and the colleges and produced a nation full of drooling fucking imbeciles who couldn't understand plain English if their lives depended on it.

America died today. I feel sick.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (d0Tfm)

864 <b>The Party's Over</b>

The party's over,
It's time to call it a day,
No matter how you pretend, you knew it would end
This way. . . .

http://preview.tinyurl.com/72cvcjb

Posted by: Beverly at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (DcMxM)

865 Mark writes: 852
Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:02 AM (0VqvZ)

Do we really need 60 votes now that it's a tax?


Indeed, I'd intended to make that point, as well. Reconciliation cuts both ways. (Thanks again, Chief Justice Roberts.)

Posted by: Boston12GS at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (0VqvZ)

866 >>Going to go outside in the sun and read a good book.

It's 110 fucking degrees out there.

>>Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of unintended conscequences!

All the consequences of this pile of shit are intended.

Posted by: EeyoreRadish at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (/kI1Q)

867 So we temporarily stop them on the CC (and this MAY be a good win on the CC), but now we shift the fight to the taxsation power which will be harder since they had the chance to say this was coercive but didn't (as the Med provision was coercive).

Fucking messed up ruling from all angles. Need to read it later.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (X/+QT)

Taxation lies with the Congress. It makes the case to the people that - hey, vote Dem and you get tax increases

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (136wp)

868 Repeal is A LOT more healthy for democracy and history than going away on a 5-4 vote.

No. As others have pointed out, the court has once again affirmed that the powers of the Federal Government are unlimited. If they use that power to repeal, it does nothing about the power itself.

Fuck. I'll send a grand to Romney today, and I don't even like the guy. This sucks.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pudge at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (QupBk)

869 "We're going to win on Nov 6."

Everywhere you go, you need to tell your friends, your family, your neighbors, the importance of removing this cancer from our White House in November,

Explain to them what a second Obama term means.

Explain to them what allowing that Cancer another four years to do his damage means.

Ask people if they are Jews. Tell them that Obama is doing his utmost to see that Israel is destroyed, because of his Muslim background.

Ask people if they are Christian. Tell them that Obama is going to force priests and other laiety to hand out contraception in violation of their teachings, and he will jail them if they refuse.

Explain the importance of this election. Tell them of today's monstrosity.

Get their blood roiling. Get them mad. Then tell them to vote this Cancer out of office.

One person at a time can do it. They will tell their friends, and it will expand until in November, like in 1980, we removed a dimwit from the presidency, and we got Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:09 AM (IhUxK)

870 For the people that are all skippity doo-da Obama has to run on a tax. Watch for more companies to donate to him for a waiver. The silver lining you are reaching for has a big ass streak mark of corruption on it.
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (UZQM

Great - then Prez Romney can give waivers too. Like to his donors.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (rzSn3)

871 Supplanting expansion of the commerce clause only to open up hoover dam... well, you do the math.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (QWOh7)

872
The ACA is DEAD under the Commerce Clause!

The tax CAN be eliminated.

How hard is that to understand?

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (7+pP9)

873 My sister and I are so fucked.

I want to weep. There were tears coming out of my eyes this morning.

Fuck you Congress, Fuck you Obama, Burn in hell.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (iYbLN)

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (7+pP9)

875 The first words out of Romney's mouth need to be: "If I'm elected, I promise you the largest tax cut in American history!"

Posted by: DavidR at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (myanI)

876 Given the comments on this board and on Twitter, this decision has seemed to piss MANY people off. Can we carry this anger into November?

Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (KSeSW)

877 Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (rzSn3)

The point being this bill has a big ass incentive for Congress to keep it around, like indulgences...

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UZQM8)

878 I haven't been this angry in a long, long time. GODDAMMIT!

I damn well agree with you! After today I will NEVER put up with a single progressive trait from a politician!

Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UWp/G)

879
"869 it will expand until in November, like in 1980, we removed a dimwit from the presidency, and we got Ronald Reagan."

Only this time if we remove a dimwit,we get someone who as governor supported mandates in his own state.

Good luck with that line of thinking.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (Ks0w4)

880 It will all make sense, when the dust settles. I think Roberts did a legal jujitsu on obama, pelosi and the rest of the dems. They just don;t know it yet. Romney runs on "the man who gave us the biggest tax increase in history" and raised a billion just off of that, baracka cannot run on "romney care", or against the "activist conservative court who wants to take your health away" and congress cannot run amock under the commerce clause . What's not to like ?

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (WR5xI)

881 **The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.**

This.

People have little idea of how much that clause has bee abused to create the modern welfare state. The Left lost its most potent weapson.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (9KqcB)

882 Watch for more companies to donate to him for a waiver. The silver lining you are reaching for has a big ass streak mark of corruption on it.


If I am not mistaken they cannot grant waivers indefinitely. I think that the period for granting waivers has already elapsed and the waivers themselves were only good for a year or two.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (JxMoP)

883 Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (rzSn3) The point being this bill has a big ass incentive for Congress to keep it around, like indulgences...
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UZQM

Only works if waivers are hard to get.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (rzSn3)

884 I'm afraid that I don't agree with all the folks who think this helps Romney. It might steer a few far-right holdouts into holding theirs noses and pulling the lever come November, but the sheep will know only one thing: Obama won on this.
And if there's one thing the sheep love to do, it's side with a winner. Pessimistic? Sure, but you'll have to excuse me. I- along with you and our zombie forefathers- just got ass-raped by the Chief Justice of the United States of America.

Posted by: TiredWench at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (oPceJ)

885 we do what we want bitches...

Posted by: The Ruling Class at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (jdOk/)

886 So, now everyone is wee weeed up about SCOTUS. Who is paying attention to the Fast and Furious vote?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (9TTOe)

887 Ed,
Nothingwill unring this bell.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (QWOh7)

888 For those entertaining the idea that this abomination will be repealed, I hear that unicorn futures are currently through the roof.

Our Republic died today. You can keep feeding the corpse if you like.

Posted by: goozer at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (vsmH2)

889 I am SO glad I closed my business and fired everyone about a month ago. I knew this shit was coming because the US was officially over when Obama was elected.

If any of you think this thing will ever be defunded or repealed you are out of your fucking minds. That has never happened in the history of the republic and it won't happen now. The ratchet only turns one way and once you have a massive entitlement you have it forever until bankruptcy do us part..

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Posted by: Voluble at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (eOimU)

890 Every lawmaker who tweeted "woo hoo we won" is going to have new republican challengers right away....

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (oZfic)

891 To all those defending the GOP I would simply point out that you should carefully analyze their reactions and go back and study what they said beforehand as well. The GOP talks about being against Obamacare, but how many were actually labeling it "unconstitutional" and after the ruling today how many will speak out against Roberts and the decision? They'll act like they're disappointed, but fact is they like this precedent just as much as the libs... this new power is theirs to wield as well. Snowball's chance in hell Obamacare gets repealed. And as Pat Buchanan keeps pointing out, statistically the demographics of the USA are quickly and heavily trending towards Democrat rule. It doesn't matter if Romney wins this time. Doesn't matter if they even repeal this thing. The precedent is set. Honestly, if the ship is going to sink, and clearly that's the case, just a matter of when, I say sink it sooner than later. I'd rather deal with the pain myself than let it stagnate until my kids are older.

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (HS3dy)

892 All that "if you don't eat your broccoli, we will tax you" shit is whatever, but unfortunately if you have a D after your name and are the correct hue you will be exempt from any and all fines relating to Obamacare, it's that simple.We'll continue to pay for those that don't want to, just calling it a different name, and the payments will be much much bigger.

Posted by: Jaimo at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (9U1OG)

893 The point being this bill has a big ass incentive for Congress to keep it around, like indulgences...
Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:11 AM (UZQM

Not really - Congress can't grant waivers, it is the President only.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (rzSn3)

894 If I understand this properly, small companies don't have to provide healthcare. All employess of said company must purchase insurance from a government approved plan or face a penalty. None of this will happen till 2014. How many ill-informed dumbasses will be voting for obama in spite of this.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (JKNDp)

895 Today was the first time I have seen a comment by Allen G as his first of the day day that didn't read "Obama is stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable tyrant". Today is sad indeed....

Posted by: Psycotte at June 28, 2012 11:13 AM (Hk10/)

896 872
The ACA is DEAD under the Commerce Clause!

The tax CAN be eliminated.

How hard is that to understand?
Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (7+pP9)

Seems so from the ranting on the blog.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (136wp)

897 The worst part of this is we are going to have to listen to the Jug Eared FUCK gloat about this for the next week or two. I am literally sick to my stomach. At this rate might as well just let the motherfucker have another term. It will all unravel soon after his second inauguration.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:03 AM =============================================================
Big mistake if he does. Why would you brag about being the biggest tax increasing President and admit you lied about it? I agree with others, this was a shrewd move by SCOTUS. Making it a tax raises all kinds of opportunities for us to win and win big and repeal much more easily. And it keeps the courts in kine so they don't practice activism. There's a whole lot here that we need to focus on. Oh, and didn't anyone wonder why Kennedy dissented? He knew making it a tax would blow up the whole thing.

Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (efQBX)

898 I think that this actually helps Romney get elected big time. It will and already has motivated the base. Moderates and independents now have further reasons to vote zero out. It certainly is not going to help the economy, (see the DOW today) Employers aren't going to start hiring now due to the decision today, so unemployment will remain sadly high. Romney promised to repeal it day one. He needs to go out today and hammer the shit out of it. If he doesn't deliver he's toast. But I think for Mitt, this is a huge opening for him, not to mention that we need to get a majority back in both houses. I think this might do it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (zTMxL)

899 Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (JxMoP)

And whats to stop Obama and them from re-opening that channel? You know the corrupt fucks will do some back door dealing for campaign cash.

Posted by: cajun carrot at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (UZQM8)

900 Every Democrat - EVERY DEMOCRAT - needs to be put on the spot: will you support repeal of this tax?

If they say no, out they go.

If they hesitate, out they go.

If they voted for it, out they go.

Let's give Nancy Shmancy 50 Democrats left in the House, and make her cry at her powerlessness.

I would not want to be a Democrat running with Obama this year. Tim Kaine, Joe Donnelly, Jon Tester: put them ALL on the spot. And then march to get them out of office or put in Republicans. Mourdock in Indiana will vote to end this monstrosity. Would Donnelly? George Allen in Virginia will - Tim Kaine wouldn't.

Put the Dems on the spot. Make them sweat.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 11:14 AM (IhUxK)

901 @878, does that mean you won't be voting for Romney?

Posted by: Andrew at June 28, 2012 11:15 AM (HS3dy)

902 Hell and tarnation. I didn't realize that my understanding of the Constitution was so off. Thank Heaven that my government masters can clear up my sloppy thinking. I love Big Brother.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (7nu1g)

903 I will not have health insurance and I will not pay a tax for not having it.

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (ejmiE)

904 SCOTUS Blog:

Lyle is working on his initial post now. He will be adding to it but here's the first paragraph: Salvaging the idea that Congress did have the power to try to expand health care to virtually all Americans, the Supreme Court on Monday upheld the constitutionality of the crucial – and most controversial — feature of the Affordable Care Act. By a vote of 5-4, however, the Court did not sustain it as a command for Americans to buy insurance, but as a tax if they don’t. That is the way Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., was willing to vote for it, and his view prevailed. The other Justices split 4-4, with four wanting to uphold it as a mandate, and four opposed to it in any form.

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (136wp)

905 anybody who thinks "oh it's just a tax so we won" is not seeing the big picture....

Fucktard roberts SCOAMF Blower had to reach for that justification, it is NOT a tax, was not sold as a tax and SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MAGICALLY ALLOWED TO BE PASSED THE WAY IT WAS AND TRANSFORM INTO "just a tax:"....

I am literally to the point of foreswearing subsidizing the army of thieves on Capitol Hill and engaging in the "Ace of Spades Lifestyle" on the Federales dime

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (LRFds)

906 It is officially now a tax increase. You own it Barry. Have fun with that. Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:00 AM (9KqcB) --------------------------------------------------------- HE. DOESN'T. CARE! It is all going according to his plan.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 28, 2012 11:06 AM (jucos)

First, it's not HIS plan. He hasn't proposed anything that Democrats haveing been talking about for DECADES. People need to drop the pretend shock that this guy is different.

Second, I don't care if cares. He only has one more election left in his life and he has to win it to keep moving the country leftward. This makes it harder.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:17 AM (9KqcB)

907 872
The ACA is DEAD under the Commerce Clause!

The tax CAN be eliminated.

How hard is that to understand?

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues


But the pre-existing conditions sobfest stays in and that is what destroys private insurance - pushing us towards what the Libs want, single-payer. Or, more accurately, taxpayer-paid health insurance.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:17 AM (WkuV6)

908 Also, I don't expect to see JEF crowing and bragging about this. There will be a statement but it will be subdued. His people can read the polls and when roughly 70% of the people hate the mandate he'll not choose to rub their noses in it.

Pelosi, on the other hand, will be spiking the football.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (JxMoP)

909 Its a tax you stupid fuckers and the kinder, gentler IRS gets to enforce the new tax.


Anyone who voted for this piece of shit SCOAMF is persona non grata to me. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (iYbLN)

910 This decision was 100% political and "practical". This decision says, in effect, we are not going to interfere with the political decision made to get this law passed, and it is up to others to use the process to revise or repeal the law.

Unprincipled and spineless, yes, destructive of our Constitution, yes, but a reflection of how sensitive the court was to the politics of the case, both inside the court and out.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (iuHbc)

911 Too early in the day to start drinking?

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (zTMxL)

912 Anyone who voted for this piece of shit SCOAMF is persona non grata to me. Fuck 'em.
Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 11:18 AM (iYbLN)


Yep, the hate, it burns.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (9TTOe)

913 When they come for me, I will tell them to tell Obama that Commie Fuck to shove it up his wife's pussy.

And, man, will I say that.Posted by: Anson Mitchell at June 28, 2012 10:43 AM (IhUxK)Er, uh, she doesn't have that type of equipment.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (tQHzJ)

914
People have little idea of how much that clause has bee abused to create the modern welfare state. The Left lost its most potent weapson.

Posted by: CJ at June 28, 2012 11:12 AM (9KqcB)


And that's an excellent thing.

The ACA will eventually be dismantled.

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (7+pP9)

915 "Tom:Lyle
is working on his initial post now. He will be adding to it but here's
the first paragraph: Salvaging the idea that Congress did have the power
to try to expand health care to virtually all Americans, the Supreme
Court on Monday upheld the constitutionality of the crucial – and most
controversial — feature of the Affordable Care Act. By a vote of 5-4,
however, the Court did not sustain it as a command for Americans to buy
insurance, but as a tax if they don’t. That is the way Chief Justice
John G. Roberts, Jr., was willing to vote for it, and his view
prevailed. The other Justices split 4-4, with four wanting to uphold it
as a mandate, and four opposed to it in any form."
from SCOTUS live blog

What's up this afternoon? Holder not being held in contempt of congress?

Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (oZfic)

916 The most depressing part of this is that I didn't vote for ONE GODDAMN BIT OF THIS SHIT.

How fucking stupid was I to actually think I had any input in my own fucking country's future?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (d0Tfm)

917 STOP


Stop talking about this being a win! There is no WIN in losing your fucking freedoms even if you manage to make it temporary!

It is not a win. And further more, my boiling frog friends, expecting a total repeal is ludicrous. Remember how sure people were that the court would do the right thing? Well that's how sure you are right now. Ridiculous.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (FU9ql)

918 Taiwanese animation already out:

http://previewtinyurl.com/7ettggf

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2012 11:19 AM (XYqoq)

919 Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 11:10 AM (iYbLN)

mp... were you the one who told the story about your phone call with the insurance company a few months ago? The one about everything being primed to go to shit on January 1, 2013?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 28, 2012 11:20 AM (+4Ho1)

920 “We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again.”
-- Nathanael Greene

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 28, 2012 11:20 AM (DRG6e)

921
I've never been on board with this tree of liberty thing, but, today, . . . shit.
Whatever happened to common-sense? If I were a judge, I wouldn't have upheld it on this tax justification. I would make the Progs pay for lying about whether it's "a tax." "You said it wasn't a tax, so you can't argue now that it is. In short, fuck off."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 11:20 AM (qwK3S)

922 This will not be repealed.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:20 AM (QWOh7)

923 Wait...if it's a tax, don't you only need 51% for Senate repeal? Am I off...?

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (20NzC)

924 "O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

Posted by: Eisenhorn at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (KvKOu)

925 Moderate, Conservative, and Libertarian Republicans disagree on many things, but one vote has managed to unify them all. REPEAL 2012!

Posted by: John at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (KSeSW)

926 We're essentially England now. Might as well move there, because they have better weather.

Posted by: FPW at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (BDNF5)

927
Beck: Heck with it. Homeland Security, bring it on.
(He then went on to describe how they tried to bankrupt his 8/28 event in D.C. He said Holder is doing the same thing for his Dallas event next month.)

Posted by: RushBabe at June 28, 2012 11:21 AM (tQHzJ)

928 What angers me is that they said we would have the same amazingly good insurance that the beltway babies have, and that's not true. They lied and they lied about the tax. Is romney going to make a statement?


Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (oZfic)

929 The IRS now has plenary powers to tear down your door over failure to purchase an HMO.
Nice.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (QWOh7)

930 LOL ... yep, Kennedy wrote as one with Scalia, Alito and Thomas. Everyone knows how all those guys are all on the same wavelength.

No ... that dissent was a sop, a way of saying LOSERS to Americans who love their Constitution.

And it was a cynical ploy between Roberts and Kennedy (probably).

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (iuHbc)

931 This will not be repealed.


I think parts of it will be repealed but not the stuff that focus groups like. Unfortunately, that stuff is also toxic. The whole thing needs to go but it won't.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 28, 2012 11:23 AM (JxMoP)

932 860
I'm out. I always like working for cash anyway.


Posted by: sifty at June 28, 2012 11:08 AM (p39GY)


THIS^^^^

Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 11:23 AM (UWp/G)

933 I'm waiting for the Hitler video.

"And the best thing, it's not a tax, like those fucking Republicans claimed!"

"Uh, mein Fuhrer, SCOTUS determined it's a tax."

"If you didn't swear to me that SCOTUS would never claim it's a tax, leave the room."

Posted by: Michael at June 28, 2012 11:23 AM (Hl5ka)

934 From Zip... Romney has now raised over $200K since the ruling.

Posted by: Junshin at June 28, 2012 11:23 AM (20NzC)

935 Lyle Denniston (SOCTUS Blog):

"Since President Obama signed the new law, it has been understood by almost everyone that the expansion of health care coverage to tens of millions of Americans without it could work — economically — only if the health insurance companies were guaranteed a large pool of customers. The mandate to buy health insurance by 2014 was the method Congress chose to supply that pool. It is not immediately clear whether the Court’s approach will produce as large a pool of new customers. The ACA’s key provision now amounts to an invitation to buy insurance, rather than an order to do so, with a not-very-big tax penalty for going without"

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:24 AM (136wp)

936 i am so very tired

struggling to not give up

where's the line for food stamps?

Posted by: conservative mom in md at June 28, 2012 11:24 AM (4fepB)

937 I, for one, do not support the "Christmas Eve Tax."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 11:24 AM (qwK3S)

938 The collapse will likely invalidate everything anyways.

Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 11:24 AM (QWOh7)

939 I can't say it enough today. FUCK YOU OBAMA. FUCK YOU CONGRESS.

Posted by: mpfs at June 28, 2012 11:25 AM (iYbLN)

940 936 i am so very tired

struggling to not give up

where's the line for food stamps?
Posted by: conservative mom in md at June 28, 2012 11:24 AM (4fepB)

Take a break from the blogs/tweeter/internet for a week. You'll be in a better mental state...

Posted by: The Huggable Robot Devil at June 28, 2012 11:25 AM (136wp)

941 And the worse part of it is, what the Commies swore they'd do to us back in the fifties and sixties, they did. Every fucking bit of it. They took over the media, Hollywood, the schools and the colleges and produced a nation full of drooling fucking imbeciles who couldn't understand plain English if their lives depended on it.
America died today. I feel sick.


Pretty much, yup.

Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (TULs6)

942 Elections have disastrous consequences...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (Umv2b)

943 You all are funny thinking we will ever overturn this by taking Senate and WH.

GOP will never do it.

Oh and to those folks who say we have to vote for Romney because of the supreme court....

A BUSH NOMINEE JUST TOOK AWAY OUR FREEDOM!

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (/7gN/)

944 Let's have fun with this new novel tax power!
Since tax power supercedes other portions of the constituion... we can do things otherwise prohibitted. According to the majority opinion, all that needs to happen for a tax to be valid is for the law to create a "condition" that triggers the new tax.
How about owning a handgun triggering a $4,000 or 10% of your income (whichever is higher) tax?

Posted by: Matt at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (ihSa7)

945 I don't have time to look closely, did the court explicitly reject the CC claim first then find approval in the taxation power? Or were they silent on the CC?

Wish I had time for this this morning.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (X/+QT)

946
Flood for thought.
Unless proven otherwise, there will no more VA Healthcare System. The buildings and medical personnel will ne needed. The veterans will be included (folded into) with the moochers and illegals.

Vets receving VA Healthcare, get while the getting is good.

Posted by: las at June 28, 2012 11:27 AM (YIbyF)

947 it is NOT a tax, was not sold as a tax and SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MAGICALLY ALLOWED TO BE PASSED THE WAY IT WAS AND TRANSFORM INTO "just a tax:"....Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:16 AM (
If it wasn't a tax why was the IRS in charge of it? It is and was a tax just like Medicare and Social Security. Come on who didn't know that? Obama scammed us but it backfired on him. He now has to admit it is a tax.

Posted by: Deanna at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (efQBX)

948
Last thing baracka wanted is for obamacare to be unmasked as a huge tax, even though they were forced to argue for it as one before the court

Posted by: runner at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (WR5xI)

949 I knew it, damnit. Can we go ahead and call the election for ubama now? I mean, the Supreme Court now comes under his supervision, right? Romney can't, and in fact won't campaign to win any more that McCain did. I fear the rinos will be just as happy with 4 more for ubama.

Posted by: EROWMER at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (sIm3i)

950 It's ironic that England decided to allow all those Muslims to come in for free and wouldn't let us of Anglic descent come there instead....

if you're Anglic why not go back to the Motherland I like ElizabethII and if I am destined to be a subject I far prefer her to Jugears I the Stutterer.....?

The international left wants to regulate us into oblivion....

I am now wishing gloabal warming hysterics were right so i could live in Antarctica

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:28 AM (LRFds)

951 I'm missing the Rapture here. The SC is referring to states, not individuals. Seems it's up to each state now and the fed gov't can't force any state to go along.

P.S. Isn't this Romney's ideology as well?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 28, 2012 11:29 AM (sSrfb)

952 I plan to vent in letters to the editor for Independence Day. Yes those crazy white guys declared independence from a monarch in order to create a feudal bureaucratic faux monarchy with a touch of Italian fascism.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 28, 2012 11:31 AM (qwK3S)

953 398 I injected a lot of fun yesterday in commenting but I also did it with purpose as Roberts I knew was a creature of politics and impression.
Laurence Tribe and the chattering set of elites injected polity into the court. This is logically unsound because it was strained through a legal objective due to Roberts' inability to separate his ego from this.
Posted by: Scandia at June 28, 2012 10:33 AM (QWOh7)

THIS

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 11:31 AM (i330i)

954
But the pre-existing conditions sobfest stays in and that is what destroys private insurance - pushing us towards what the Libs want, single-payer. Or, more accurately, taxpayer-paid health insurance.

Posted by: Jean at June 28, 2012 11:17 AM (WkuV6)


My brother got insurance that covered his pre-existing condition before the ACA. He had to hunt for it and it cost him a lot but was worth it.

Does the ACA require insurance companies to insure pre-existing conditions for the same price as people without pre-existing conditions? I don't think so.

So I don't think this will necessarily kill the insurance industry.

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:32 AM (7+pP9)

955 Remember folks, we already said "FUCK YOU" to congress in 2010. Now we need to continue that trend by evicting Obama and have at least 60 seats in the senate.

Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 11:32 AM (UWp/G)

956 “We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again.” -- Nathanael Greene

No... he meant actual fighting.

Not giving money to the bastards who were raping him and then grousing about it.

Americans are too pussy for that kind of thing today. The home of the brave is padded in foam rubber and enforces seat belt laws and soda bans. Mostly we just like to flatter ourselves with lies.

Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 11:32 AM (TULs6)

957 Look, muslims are exempt, become a MINO, muslim in name only. Show up for your audit with a 20 pound koran in hand and double dog dare them to tax you. We can form the Moron Schism Sect of islam. That jerk in Kansas hides behind his phony church, we can hide behind our phony mosques. Ace, wanna be our spiritual leader and administer the Holy Valurite and Sacred Pudding?

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at June 28, 2012 11:32 AM (DD2Ty)

958 When you start collectivizing things that should never be collectivized you end up where we are now, waiting and hoping for a GOP Congress to return our freedom to us.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: eman at June 28, 2012 11:33 AM (ejmiE)

959 have at least 60 seats in the senate.


Posted by: I forgot at June 28, 2012 11:32 AM (UWp/G)

lol

Posted by: The Dude at June 28, 2012 11:33 AM (tw6Ar)

960 947 Deanna,

Roberts essentially just told the libs they can do what they want lie to everyone involved about what a bill is and he will cover down for them as long as it can by any stretch of the imagination be justified under Taxing.....

1) Muslims got a pass on it for their religion

2) Catholics got told by the self-appointed Mocha Pope "fuck your faith do what I say"

Equal Protection anyone?

You can now be forced to do business with a class of vendor or be taxed for the act of breathing.....

You have not "added to rocketing costs" until you have actually 'added to rocketing costs" I for one will not engage in any cancer fighting medical use if the survivability is sub 50%....it is a waste of money and I am dying at home not in a hospital bed.....

guess what doesn't matter if I don't want to be forced to pay Uncle Sugar "sin tax" on not being insured I should have followed Roe v Wade and been aborted....

we are not free to try to avoid the system anymore.....

if bambi gets back in and granny McRictus gets back the gavel they can engage in ANY social engineering they like with an unequally applied tax code now thanks to roberts.....


so yeah fuck him and the leftbat wing

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:33 AM (LRFds)

961
"Our Republic died today. You can keep feeding the corpse if you like."

If we don't win the White House, the Senate, and keep the House....it pretty much will be dead. Same name, same land mass, but a different country.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 11:34 AM (HTAoH)

962 In defense of Roberts, he probably made this decision as "conservative" as he could possibly get, given the reality that Kennedy would have voted to uphold the entire thing.

So Roberts did his "best," and Kennedy got a huge favor, actually getting to pretend he is a serious jurist.

It is all so cynical and disturbing, but so is much of life.

Posted by: Tonawanda at June 28, 2012 11:35 AM (iuHbc)

963 Best wishes to all of you in the US - we've had universal medical insurance (taxpayer funded) since the 1970s here in OZ

We also have a choice of buying private health insurance - about 40% of Aussies have private insurance and many get a rebate unless they're in a high income bracket

We pay a Medicare levy on top of tax - about %1.5 I think with exemptions for low income workers

I'm finding this debate very interesting because I can't remember much fuss when it was introduced here

I can imagine there will be a lot of $$$$ flowing to Mitt Romney's campaign HQ right now

Posted by: aussie at June 28, 2012 11:35 AM (pXUCj)

964 Posted by: GalosGann at June 28, 2012 10:27 AM (T3KlW)

All your point are, of course, completely plausible and rational.

That being said, fuck you. I won.

Your distinctiveness will be added to the collective.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 28, 2012 11:36 AM (hrb5d)

965
960
"Equal protection anyone"

We lost that with Eric Holder. According to him, hate crimes committed against caucasians don't count.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 11:36 AM (HTAoH)

966 What angers me is that they said we would have the same amazingly good insurance that the beltway babies have, and that's not true. They lied and they lied about the tax. Is romney going to make a statement?
Posted by: starry at June 28, 2012 11:22 AM (oZfic)

Strip away the separate governmment program as step 1.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:37 AM (rzSn3)

967 And just to be clear--if those jackasses can get it through the Senate via reconciliation, we can do the same for repeal.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2012 10:34 AM (B+qrE)

And THIS is why I'm looking at Romney's VP pick. If he picks a Bushie, he means to screw us. If he goes for tokenism, he is throwing the election. But if he picks Thune or someone with intimate knowledge of how the Senate works, then he means business. But I'm guessing he's going to work with Scott Brown and tinker with it instead of outright repeal, if he even wins the election.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 11:38 AM (i330i)

968 965 Reggie 1971,

agreed....

the cat has been overtly out of the bag for a good while....

Roberts just gave it the cover of the law....

if your GOP congresscritter doesn't vote to take down Ogabe's chief enabler today and you vote for him in november you are an idiot people.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:38 AM (LRFds)

969 To all of you lamenting this decision as reason to give up, I am similarly tempted, but I am reminded of the young American men and women taking bullets - right now - and I cannot turn my back on them. We must fight. I cannot believe how I feel right now. Frightened of my own government. I truly feel that this is "the hill."

Posted by: The Liberty Dude at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (iAWQF)

970 If this is a tax, how is it constitutional? Article I, sec. 7 says that all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House. This originated in the Senate.

Posted by: roy at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (9uwhv)

971 " Show up for your audit with a 20 pound koran in hand and double dog dare them to tax you."

Oh, yeah, just get the mark of the beast already.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (i330i)

972 Reconciliation.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (i330i)

973 970 Roy,

EXACTLY that is why I am so pissed off.....

basically the democrats ignored every procedure in the book to get the thing through.....

Pelosi got away with jedi mindtricking the whole country....

this monstrosity was NEVER PASSED BY TAX PROCEDURE


Roberts is a moron
treasonous asshammer>>

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:41 AM (LRFds)

974 Marco Rubio: IT'S A HUGE TAX INCREASEAND THE IRS WILL BE AFTER YOU.

Oh yes, it has begun. He's focusing on the IRS angle - " ... millions of Americans will be at war with the IRS, chased by the IRS."

Posted by: joanne is calming down now at June 28, 2012 11:42 AM (GCsZz)

975 this monstrosity was NEVER PASSED BY TAX PROCEDURE

Can someone be brought up on fraud charges for this? Impeachment?

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at June 28, 2012 11:43 AM (Umv2b)

976 If this is a tax, how is it constitutional? Article I, sec. 7 says that all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House. This originated in the Senate.
Posted by: roy at June 28, 2012 11:40 AM (9uwhv)

Ticky-tac. If the mandate and a huge tax aren't enough to repeal it, this nit wou't do the job.
The Dred Scott decision made the Republican platform unconstitutional. The GOP said fuck you, and won.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 28, 2012 11:43 AM (rzSn3)

977
943
If I hear someone talk to me about Jeb Bush being a good VP pick, or a Presidential nominee in the future, I will vomit on them and ask them to pay for my lost lunch.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 28, 2012 11:44 AM (HTAoH)

978 The fall campaign will now revolve around the economy and repeal of ObamaCare.

When have Republicans ever overturned a major supreme court decision? I'm thinking never. With socialized medicine fully implemented America no longer exists as a free nation.

Posted by: Harold at June 28, 2012 11:46 AM (JKNLp)

979 975 TFC3Tweets,

trust the wolf to police the wolf....

Roberts just joined the wolves....

he said "ok you guys passed this as a tax" and no sold the entire procedural line of thought....

if boehner had ANY balls he'd pass a bill scrapping the Tax on a simple majority vote, and dare Harry reid to try to allow a filibuster on it....


I am seeing red right now because I fear at last this is the final proof I have always dreaded that the GOP and DNC are not light and darkness but simply shades of dark.....

they are not the untouchables and the capones they are in fact the Genovese and Gambinos

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:46 AM (LRFds)

980 So is this the first time in US history you can be taxed for NOT doing something?

Posted by: Dang at June 28, 2012 11:46 AM (Ky1+e)

981 If they had crafted the law like social security, for example, from the get-go, it would have been constitutional under the govt's taxing power (which does appear to have no limit). But, for political reasons, they didn't go that route -- yet Roberts did it for them!

If it wasn't clear before this decision, it should be apparent now that THE TAX CODE MUST GO.

Posted by: Xena the warrior princess's hot grandmother at June 28, 2012 11:48 AM (OMod2)

982 I believe the Senate took a previously passed house bill, completely changed it, and used that to get around the "tax bills must come from the house".

Complete BS.

Posted by: realityman at June 28, 2012 11:48 AM (obXkJ)

983 535 There is only one solution: Repeat the Sixteenth Amendment. Institute a national sales tax. That is all.
-Posted by: Gerry at June 28, 2012 10:41 AM (knMIa)
The Fair Tax movement may need to ponder how this new development affects the plan. Congress may not be able to raise taxes under the plan, but apparently now hasthe authority to require you to buy more stuff.

Posted by: Eddie Willers at June 28, 2012 11:48 AM (bRdb3)

984 If it is a tax, how is it affected by the equal protection clauseie: all the groups that gets a pass on it like unions and other favorite groups.

Posted by: Haze Gray at June 28, 2012 11:49 AM (oDybj)

985 Did any of the briefs really deal with taxation? Didn't both sides argue that it wasn't a tax, therefore, they may not have argued that 'you can't uphold it as a tax because of the liberty interest and that it wasn't passed properly'.

Um...wait. then it couldn't be heard since the tax hasn't been levied. WTF!!!!

So they just invalidated the tax anti-injunction jurisprudence?

I'm getting confused.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 11:49 AM (X/+QT)

986 Since this is a tax, shouldn't the GOP be able to revisit how the tax is collected and spent?

And, as a spending measure, will it only take 50 members of the Senate to uphold it?

If we get enough senators this November, it seems like we should be able to strangle this monstrosity in the crib.

Posted by: Ed Anger Issues at June 28, 2012 11:50 AM (7+pP9)

987
982 realityman,


and as the leftards are suddenly in love with roberts you can count on them wailing that ANY procedural irreuglarities are 'a coup d'tat"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 11:50 AM (LRFds)

988 Drudge says Romney was supposed to speak at 1145...?

I'm thinking he didn't come out the second the ruling came down because he had to retweak his speech. Hopefully in the direction of IT'S A TAX. /Ackbar

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 11:50 AM (xiJmL)

989 I see the collective head of all liberty loving Americans swiveling from SCOTUS to congress. With fire in their eyes. Didn't Carville say the Tea Party was dead? He ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: joanne is getting fired up now at June 28, 2012 11:51 AM (GCsZz)

990 OK, the podium is set up by the Capitol. Big sign saying REPEAL OBMACARE.

Heh.

Posted by: Filly at June 28, 2012 11:52 AM (xiJmL)

991 I feel I should point out one of the people at HotAir predicted exactly this; if a 4-4 split Roberts would vote to uphold so he could write the opinion and limit the Commerce Clause himself.

The problem now is with this precedent, as long as they can call it a tax they still get unlimited power.

On the possible plus side, Romney can energize the base and maybe sway some independents running on a "Reform Obamacare" campaign. Dodges the tricky question of what he'd put to replace it, lets him run on the more general platform.

Posted by: SOCR at June 28, 2012 11:55 AM (RTNve)

992 Yeeeees! I get free more things!
I love you O bama!

Posted by: PabloRios at June 28, 2012 11:55 AM (o4zR/)

993 Who would have guessed a Muslim, Marxist, KENYAN/INDONESIAN USURPER would be a bad thing?

Let's just fight the KENYAN/INDONESIAN USURPER on his policies. Oh yeah, that's not working out either.

Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 12:00 PM (uRPLL)

994 991
The problem now is with this precedent, as long as they can call it a tax they still get unlimited power.



Sure, but then they have to run on raising taxes...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 28, 2012 12:03 PM (Y5I9o)

995 Wait.

So what other parts of the ACA were not ruled upon? Exchanges and the other 2499 pages? If the mandate is not CC-valid, what about the infrastructure it funded? That infrastructure is just funded by an, ahem, tax...what's it's justification/authority?

Where are the court cases?

Damn. So many f'n questions!!!!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 12:05 PM (X/+QT)

996 I must admit that I really don't understand all this as I am not a lawyer (can never seem to pass a bar). What I don't understand...insurance companies are now required to cover everyone with god knows what illness irregardless of their ability to pay. Individuals are required to purchase this health coverage or pay a tax/fine whatever.

My main question is why would they pay the tax to the federal government this tax? Do we have faith that the fed will then reimburse the insurance company for costs incurred. Why would we not believe that the fed wouldnt fritter away this new revenue like it does with most everything else.

Fuck you hard, Roberts.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at June 28, 2012 12:06 PM (hrb5d)

997 Um...wait. then it couldn't be heard since the tax hasn't been levied. WTF!!!! tinyurl.com/7m2hhn6

Posted by: Entropy at June 28, 2012 12:06 PM (TULs6)

998 ^^
"Every normal man..." :-)

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 28, 2012 12:13 PM (X/+QT)

999 Tax shithead Supreme Court justices

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at June 28, 2012 12:14 PM (iBGQ2)

1000 250 bucks sent.....

screw this I will not go down not fighting that jug eared bastard

Posted by: sven10077 at June 28, 2012 12:18 PM (LRFds)

1001 Did Obama make Roberts cry during that awful SOTU address?
What a pathetic cocksucker

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at June 28, 2012 12:20 PM (iBGQ2)

1002
Decisions are being made, none of which will help Obama's chances.
Businesses would have been waiting to decide tostart up or locate inthe US.
There are a lot of phones not ringing to hire the 50th employee.
A lot of businesses were waiting for this to make the decision as to whether or not to drop health insurance for employees. Catholic institutions, for example. The announcements should come and the meme develop at just the right time in election season.


Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 12:41 PM (VLifP)

1003 How did the lady who should have recused herself vote?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 28, 2012 12:42 PM (VLifP)

1004 Only in the world of lawyers could a fine for not obeying the law be twisted to be a 'tax'.

This is exactly what Roosevelt did with the SSA, and the court twisted itself in knots yet again to find a power that doesn't exist.

And BOOOOSSSSH!

Posted by: blindside at June 28, 2012 12:55 PM (x7g7t)

1005 Ann Coulter was exactly right about Roberts. He was basically a blank
slate. From her column on 7/20/2005: "But unfortunately, other than
that, we don’t know much about John
Roberts. Stealth nominees have never turned out to be a pleasant
surprise for conservatives. Never. Not ever."

Posted by: chas at June 28, 2012 02:12 PM (JXsDO)

1006 "... The holding is apparently that it cannot be justified as a Commerce Clause power, but can be under the taxing power ..."
= = = = =

And God knows, the duty of the "Highest Court in the Land" is to rubber-stamp the edicts of Emperor Obumcrack so that We The Peons will accept that He in His Glory has Almighty power over every single one of us.

Fukit.

"No Mas."

Secession, Rebellion, whatever it takes.

The Ruling Turds in Washington are ceded their power by WE THE PEOPLE, who knowingly and willingly delegated (some portion of) our God-Given rights and freedoms to form a LIMITED government of, by, and for, US.

By God I intend to withdraw that power from these crack-bastards.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at June 28, 2012 02:34 PM (hq0VE)

1007 @947: "Obama scammed us but it backfired on him. He now has to admit it is a tax."

No he doesn't. SCOAMF lies. He always lies. You think he'll start telling the truth now? He Pelosi all those other commie bastards in the Dems will go right on calling it not-a-tax, because they know the LSM will never call them on their bullshit. They'll simply trumpet this as the biggest win for Dems in generations, that they were right all along, and weren't those evil Republicans wrong to stand in the way, and the LSM will go right along with them.

Posted by: I.M. at June 28, 2012 03:32 PM (1HVeO)

1008 TEOTWAWKI............ stepping up the prepping!

Posted by: slysquire at June 28, 2012 03:34 PM (baOaV)

1009 "United States of America, Constitutional Republic, 1776-2012. RIP."

It died in 2009 when a KENYAN/INDONESIAN USURPER was sworn in by traitor Roberts.

Posted by: UsurperObama at June 28, 2012 04:10 PM (uRPLL)

1010 I was remembering something about a supreme court justice having TWO instances of burglary/ robbery earlier this year.

I was wondering if "undue pressure" {cough} might have been brought to bear against Roberts, so I ran a quick Google inquiry -- nope, it was Justice Breyer who had his Georgetown residence burgled in February and then was robbed at machete-point while on vacation in the Caribbean in May.

Ya never know, it still *might* have been a Chicago-style warning to all the black-robes that "we know where you live, we know where you go, and we know where your FAMILY is, too."

So, color me conspiracy-nut; I just CAN'T believe the Supremes' decision was made on the legal merits of this abomination of a "law"..

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at June 28, 2012 04:31 PM (hq0VE)

1011 Actually it probably died with Kelo, but we could pretend.

Eat your fucking Broccoli, it's the law. Well, it's a "tax."

This is so fucking stupid.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 28, 2012 04:47 PM (bxiXv)

1012 It was sold to the American people and wriiten into the law as a penalty NOT a tax because they knew that the American people would not accept another tax.

If Roberts determined it was a tax then the law should have been rejected and sent back to congress to let the people decide if they want to be taxed for this issue.

Roberts is either incompetent or a coward. Incompetent for not recognizing his responsibility to let the people decide if they want to be taxed or a coward because he simply did not want the populous to perceive that SCOTUS was passing the buck.

Posted by: Jay at June 28, 2012 05:21 PM (EoOfG)

1013 Has the mashed up bag of douche with lipstick better known as the harpy Pelosi opened her c*ckholster mouth and made any statements yet? Or is that bitch of the devil still engaged in her celebratory bukkake?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 28, 2012 05:22 PM (7qWDO)






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