Aaron Worthing Arrested at Brett Kimberlin Hearing

The judge apparently took two positions: 1, Worthing simply isn't permitted to mention the Speedway Bomber, or the Speedway Bomber's pattern of harassment.

2, the fact that Kimberlin received some death threats from angry people is all chargeable to Worthing.

Plus, Worthing was representing himself, and I understand he let his irritation get the best of him.

Looking at it this way... The most important thing to judges, ahead of justice, is that your respect their authoritah.

The judge might have been strongly inclined to arrest Aaron Worthing because he felt his Peace Order had been violated.

Posted by: Ace at 01:02 PM



Comments

1 Fucking stupid.

Brett Kimberlin must be ecstatic today.

Does the right not have lawyers?

Posted by: someguy at May 29, 2012 01:03 PM (sEXZ/)

2 This is absurd.

Posted by: Ozzie at May 29, 2012 01:03 PM (R5KQi)

3 Once again proving the adage "The Law is an a**"

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (nfwzc)

4 I wonder what 'evidence' Kimberlin produced to 'prove' these death threats....or did the judge just take the little darlin's word for it?

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (X6akg)

5 What was Worthing charged with? Contempt?

Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (YdQQY)

6 I no longer recognize this country.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (UOM48)

7 These moronic judges frighten me.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (eHIJJ)

8 loose shit on #2?


Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (9Q7Nu)

9 Judges have been removed from the bench for abuse of contempt proceedings.

Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (YdQQY)

10 I wore a short skirt today. And it will be my fault if some degenerate rapes me.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (ZtwUX)

11
You realize what George MacSoros and the rest of the Scots-Irish are doing here, right?

Every single calorie you waste on this clown Brett Whatever-His-Name-Is is a calorie you don't have to devote to stopping MacSoros and his various puppets, like Barry Soetoro Dunham.

Only so many calories available to be burned in a day.

Zero. Sum. Game.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (JW/aG)

12 Obama Regime Term 2.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (AWmfW)

13 The story is developing on what happened. Stay tuned. This is more gripping than American Idol.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (nfwzc)

14 6 I no longer recognize this country.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:04 PM (UOM4


Either do I , Jane.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (DGIjM)

15 How can a "peace order" such as this not be in conflict with the 1st amendment?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (MNbIC)

16 Still waiting to hear if Rush mentions this.

He just spent 10 minutes talking about his cat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (UOM48)

17 Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

18 Brett Kimberlin is a convicted felon. And Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. And a cocksucker, too.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (ZtwUX)

19 Honestly I hope Rush doesn't.

I agrees with Emanuel Goldstein.

don't let it work

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (SB0V2)

20 This story is so very confusing. I don't recognize any of the names so I don't know who's the victim and who's the villain.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (zrpqj)

21 Plus, Worthing was representing himself, and I understand he let his irritation get the best of him.


Ugh. Even I know you're not supposed to represent yourself and I'm a moron.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (RD7QR)

22 The man definitely needs a lawyer, if for no other reason than to have a layer if insulation between him and That Kimberlin Scumbag.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (ywv14)

23 "2, the fact that Worthing received some death threats from angry people is all chargeable to Worthing."

Was it the same guy(s) who's(re) SWATing conservative bloggers?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (eHIJJ)

24 17
Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)
He stayed at a Holiday Inn.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (ZtwUX)

25 18
Brett Kimberlin is a convicted felon. And Barack Obama is a stuttering
clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. And a cocksucker, too.


Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (ZtwUX



Preznit Choom Gang

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (UOM48)

26 The fix is in.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (6kWFm)

27 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (8y9MW)

28 OK, I didn't see this one coming.

I'm suspecting the judge is a huge lefty.

Posted by: Random at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (ieFeF)

29 So, combination of bad judge and self-inflicted injury.

Lovely. The Facepalm Century proceeds apace.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (GBXon)

30
Here's what Aaron Worthing needs to do: Claim he is a muslim terrorists with cancer.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (9Q7Nu)

31 Link to final peace order.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (XdlcF)

32 11 -

Maybe to you, but I suppose if you'd lost your job or got dragged into court, or had viable threats made against you, including having police show up at your door with guns drawn, all due to the actions of one small band of merry pranksters, you might consider it worth your while to add up that sum.

Or if you cared about the people to whom it was happening.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (TOk1P)

33 The Law is an Ass.

Posted by: Mr. Bumble at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (NG097)

34 Ace, if you are reading... I hope you have taken precautions.. .like letting the police know about swatting.
I'm a mom... I worry.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (DGIjM)

35 KimberlinUnmasked twitter acct. has just been suspended.

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (X6akg)

36 Worthing was representing himself

Wait, I thought he said he'd already learned better than that. I'm pretty sure that was in one of his posts.

Jeez, that was not smart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (8y9MW)

37 Now Rush is discussing toad licking.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (UOM48)

38 You realize what George MacSoros and the rest of the Scots-Irish are doing here, right?

What the heck? Scots-Irish?

Posted by: Grey Fox, crouched in his mountain fastness at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (6t8l2)

39 17
Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

Isn't there a saying about a lawyer representing himself?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (AWmfW)

40 I think the first name in Ace's #2 should be Kimberlin not Worthing.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (9Q7Nu)

41 Buckle up, folks. This is going to get a Hell of a lot more interesting as the summer wears on.

I still think Breitbart might have been the victim of foul play.

Posted by: clp at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (1ITJU)

42 Jane I hope he moves on to dogs not barking, kwim?

not this

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (SB0V2)

43 BlackOrchid. If we are in the dark on the details best if Rush does stay quiet. If Rush does a MSM number and rushes to publish before the actual facts are known, well golly gee. Rush just put a hole in his own credibility and the likes of Katie Couric will be squealing in joy and will keep harping it until the heat death of the universe.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (nfwzc)

44 Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)
He stayed at a Holiday Inn.
Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (ZtwUX)


Teed that one right up for ya

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (05RcU)

45 2, the fact that Worthing received some death threats from angry people is all chargeable to Worthing.

I think you mean "the fact that Kimberlin... is chargeable to Worthing."

And #1 is just completely craptastic.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (8y9MW)

46 My understanding -- and God knows I'm not a lawyer -- is that the latitude judges have for declaring somebody in contempt is pretty wide. If AW was representing himself and got too passionate then the judge was probably within his rights to hit him with contempt, alas. But again, IANAL.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (RD7QR)

47 While this disgusts me, don't let Kimberlin do what he wants to do: distract the conservative blogosphere from concentrating on Obama as the election heats up. That's why I'm not diving in on this. Mr. Worthing is a smart man and will get himself out of this. Kimberlin is shaping up to be the shiniest of objects. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (NFcOS)

48 This judge must be related to the referees that were calling the game in Miami last night.

Posted by: rockmom at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (NYnoe)

49 Aaron had representation at one of his hearings and published the transcript at his blog. Why would he not bring the same attorney now? I can only assume the reason is financial in nature as the Kimberlin Klan has specifically stated there game is to bankrupt their opposition. (And they themselves are judgement proof, having no assets or income.)

Posted by: Have Blue at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (0dPUM)

50 yep anna.

it's a TRAP

and not for Aaron Worthing or whateverhisnameis

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (SB0V2)

51 43 - Is Katie Couric still on tv? I thought they booted her haggard ass.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (ZtwUX)

52 Now Rush is discussing toad licking.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (UOM4


To Hell with him; with the internet scooping him continually maybe it's time for him to close up shop. He's gotten as lazy as the MFM turds.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (7Ph7Z)

53
This has all the making of a "landmark" First Amendment case.



Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (9Q7Nu)

54 We are officially at war. They are showing us no quarter.

Day Word: Cottonmouth
Action Word: Jericho
Command Word: Trinity

Execute SIOP Option Two One Zebra, aka "Grand Tour."

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (1iauC)

55 Placed person elegible for relief in fear of imminent serious bodily harm: COUNTLESS NUMBER OF BLOGS EITHER THREATENING DEATH

I imagine that part is usually supposed to make sense??

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (XdlcF)

56 I am curious as to what the "clear and convincing evidence that Aaron W was going to commit future a prohibited act." I understand that the rules of evidence for restraining orders work differently, and they are very easy to obtain against someone but c'mon, wtf?

Posted by: Junshin at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (VWlmO)

57 I'm suspecting the judge is a huge lefty.

Posted by: Random at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (ieFeF)

About a 90 percent chance of that in MD, yes. It's lefty hell.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (RD7QR)

58 Anyone willing to make book on whether or not this judge was appointed by Choom SCOAMF or Slick Willie?

Posted by: someone at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (eRVuM)

59 How can a "peace order" such as this not be in conflict with the 1st amendment?

Speech about a private person isn't protected. Otherwise defamation laws would violate the 1st amendment. This is one reason to have Kimberlin's record read into the Congressional Record: the then becomes a "public person" or whatever the term is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (8y9MW)

60 Teed that one right up for ya

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (05RcU)


And I appreciate it 'cuz I need the easy ones!

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (ZtwUX)

61 Not quite Kafka-esque, but we're getting their

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2012 01:12 PM (i3tdn)

62 >>He just spent 10 minutes talking about his cat.

Punkin? Is she OK?!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (/kI1Q)

63 This is bullshit...but totally expected. The modus operandi of the Left is lawfare. I just happened to start reading the Gulag Archipelago back in Janury at about a rate of couple pages a day, and it's astounding how many parallels there have been with the daily news. Regarding this Kimberlin thing, see the chapter "The law as a child", and pay special attn to the quotes of the prosecutor Krylenko.

Posted by: Choomin' Barry O at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (Y5I9o)

64 I thought Seth Allen was Worthing's attorney, no?

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (X6akg)

65 Someone's protecting Kimberlin, question is, who and why?

Posted by: booger at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (HI6wa)

66 this Kimby Klan reminds me of that weirdass family on It's Always Sunny

anyone else?

they were also "judgment-proof" - AKA poor and disgusting

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (SB0V2)

67 They're are way too many lawyers and they have far too much influence, but I would never walk into a courtroom without one.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (N/1Dm)

68 Punkin? Is she OK?!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (/kI1Q



She head-butted him in bed at 4:00 a.m. to be fed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (UOM48)

69 Tami, Aaron gave Seth Allen legal advice and that's how he got into this mess.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (XdlcF)

70 >>> I wore a short skirt today. And it will be my fault if some degenerate rapes me.

>>> Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM

Not in the slightest, but I have a feeling you'd have inspired me to ask for your email.

Posted by: Random at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (ieFeF)

71 I swear, ifthere weremobs waving the hammer-and-sickle flagrampaging down our streets andhanging people from lampposts in the name of world socialism, there would be people calling upon us to ignore it and concentrate on the election.

Posted by: Grey Fox, crouched in his mountain fastness at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (6t8l2)

72
A few years ago Boston Herald columnist/radio talker Howie Carr lost a court case regarding the criticism of a judge.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (9Q7Nu)

73 >> If AW was representing himself and got too passionate then the judge was probably within his rights to hit him with contempt, alas.

But that's not what happened, unless I missed something.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:15 PM (XdlcF)

74 10I wore a short skirt today. And it will be my fault if some degenerate rapes me.
Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (ZtwUX) <<<<<Interesting......

Posted by: Aqualung at May 29, 2012 01:15 PM (OlN4e)

75 I got that backwards, Aaron Worthing is an attorney who offered help to blogger Seth Allen.

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:15 PM (X6akg)

76 >> Isn't there a saying about a lawyer representing himself?

"Any lawyer that represents himself has a fool for a client." ~ Stuff Jefferson Said, 3rd. Ed.

Posted by: Andy at May 29, 2012 01:15 PM (5Rurq)

77 Also, I hate this blog's formatting!

Posted by: Grey Fox, crouched in his mountain fastness at May 29, 2012 01:15 PM (6t8l2)

78 any more sightings of POS Coward Robert Ford?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 29, 2012 01:16 PM (yAor6)

79 Tami, Aaron gave Seth Allen legal advice and that's how he got into this mess.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (XdlcF)


Yeah, I just realized I switched the two roles.

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:16 PM (X6akg)

80 The fact that Aaron is representing himself is kind of a huge mistake to repeat the painfully obvious.

Posted by: Max Power at May 29, 2012 01:16 PM (+wxCD)

81 I hope Marc Levin picks up on this as it is definitely in his wheelhouse.

Rush spent the better part of the opening monologue with a wistful memory of going up inside the Golden Gate Bridge.

Now toad-licking.

Feh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 29, 2012 01:16 PM (MCDCp)

82 Still no new updates on The Other McCain.

Now I am starting to understand how the guys in the radio shack felt listening in as our fighters and bombers tangled with the enemy high over Europe in WWII. Suspense can be a killer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:17 PM (nfwzc)

83 Prohibited act? Again I ask, how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state? I can see something like a restraining order in which a person is barred from being within some physical distance or from attempting to communicate with someone, but how in the world can you arrest someone for something that they might do in the future? This isn't Minority Report.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 29, 2012 01:17 PM (JxMoP)

84 Ace says, " I understand he let his irritation get the best of him."

But McCain's post just says the judge became increasingly hostile. I'm curious about the details. AW must be under tons of pressure, but he's not a stupid guy. I'm wondering what could've forced this, if it is indeed true.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 29, 2012 01:18 PM (Y5I9o)

85 On what grounds was Walker taken into custody? The legal system in this country has gone from bad to worse.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:18 PM (IEUSX)

86 That's not good.

Was he able to reproduce the supposed death threats? Was the judge made aware of exactly what posts were the supposed "violation?"

This whole thing sucks.....

Posted by: © Sponge at May 29, 2012 01:18 PM (UK9cE)

87 Um...it probably wasn't Punkin who woke him "up" at 4AM, ya know? That's why he's talking about fluff this morning.

Posted by: Junshin at May 29, 2012 01:18 PM (VWlmO)

88 Worthing's 1st lawyer was harassed afterward, as I recall.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:18 PM (MNbIC)

89 Let's all keep in mind that this happened in Maryland and not in the United States.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (zlvkY)

90 Anyone in the Legal Professions have any idea how long it will take to get a court transcript?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (8y9MW)

91 any more sightings of POS Coward Robert Ford?

I assume that is Average Joe, International Man of Cocksucking.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (NG097)

92 @80: Yeah, after I read Aaron's Ace-movie-review-length full post, one of my major takeaways was that Aaron should never represent himself (things went much better in the hearing where he had the other lawyer). I thought he even said he'd learned that, so why he'd do so today is beyond me.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (tqwMN)

93 This is just a preamble of how the Obama regime term 2 will rule totalitarian by activist judges in the supreme court.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (AWmfW)

94 Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

Isn't he a lawyer himself? Why wouldn't he represent himself?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (IEUSX)

95 @GreyFox #38

"Scots-Irish" is an inside joke from Steve Sailer's blog. It really means Jews because there was an obnoxious Jewish poster there who claimed to be Scot-Irish. "Emmanuel Goldstein" is basically blaming the Jews in his post.

Posted by: pickles at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (wUldG)

96 OT

From the WTF Department: Robert Mugabe nominated to be the UN International Envoy for Tourism.


Posted by: EC at May 29, 2012 01:20 PM (GQ8sn)

97 Quoting Jane D'oh: "I no longer recognize this country."

Indeed.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 29, 2012 01:20 PM (VJUQK)

98 Let me be clear: Kimberlin and Worthing should come by the Rose Garden. Make no mistake: We can all smooth it out over a beer.

Posted by: Choomin' Barry O at May 29, 2012 01:20 PM (Y5I9o)

99 Wow. I'm glad I don't bother listening to Limbaugh anymore.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 01:20 PM (x2CNJ)

100 Oh and Worthing IS a lawyer, by the way.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:21 PM (zlvkY)

101 Doom ..... Doom I tell ya! When justice system is so perverted by the left that we can get no redress for our grievances even in our own court system.

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:21 PM (nojhZ)

102 VICTORY!

To Hell with him; with the internet scooping him
continually maybe it's time for him to close up shop. He's gotten as
lazy as the MFM turds.


Posted by: Captain Hate at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (7Ph7Z)

Posted by: All Liberals Everywhere at May 29, 2012 01:21 PM (cv5Iw)

103 Click my name to see the "Final Peace Order" including this unbelievable section:

"That the respondent shall stay away from:
The Petitioner's place(of) employment at:

ANYWHERE.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:21 PM (XdlcF)

104 . "Emmanuel Goldstein" is basically blaming the Jews in his post.

oh see I'm so anti-ginger I totally missed that.

but you're right - okay I DON'T agree with that dude BUT I still think this is a purposeful distraction and I think we should - while dealing with it, if involved - keep it to a dull roar. A very dull roar.

And no Rush. this is one for the "Beck"les as they say

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:21 PM (SB0V2)

105 "Emmanuel Goldstein" is basically blaming the Jews in his post.


Posted by: pickles at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (wUldG)
But he's not anti-semitic, he's just anti-zionist, right?

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (x2CNJ)

106 Can Zimmerman get peace orders against the NBPP, Jesse Jackson etc since they wrote/spoke things that incited thugs to write death threats against him?

COUNTLESS NUMBER OF BLOGS EITHER THREATENING DEATH



Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (tf9Ne)

107 I think what happened is, Brett filed his motion in Maryland because that is where he resides. And he might have shopped for a friendly judge while at it. Aaron, being a citizen of Virginia, could have ignored the proceedings forcing Maryland to issue its ruling with Aaron in absentia. And unless Brett got the Feds involved all Aaron would have to do is avoid ever visiting the state of Maryland. But since Aaron went to face his accuser in a Maryland court and it seems he represented himself, then Maryland law does apply.

The above could be totally wrong its all just an educated guess. Lets hope we hear more updates on this matter to decide how best to move forward.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (nfwzc)

108 Isn't he a lawyer himself? Why wouldn't he represent himself?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (IEUSX)

emotional detachment

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (05RcU)

109 I'm a little confused. Is it Aaron Worthing (per Ace) or Aaron Walker (per Stacey McCain)? Regardless of the name, this is horrific.

Posted by: buzz at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (i27M5)

110 I'm a lawyer with 25 years of experience and I do not understand this "peace order" business. An order prohibiting blogging on a certain topic would almost certainly constitute an unlawful prior restraint of free speech. There are almost no circumstances in which it is proper to enjoin future speech. The aggrieved person's remedy is always to sue for damages after the speech has been published, if a defamation claim will stand.

Walker must have been doing something besides merely blogging about Kimberlin, even if the content of the blogging was arguably defamatory. Anyone have an explanation?

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (QKKT0)

111 82 Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:17 PM (nfwzc)

Still waiting to hear the words "scratch one Jap flat-top!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (MCDCp)

112 >>Why wouldn't he represent himself?

See Ace'sstatement about Aaron getting irritated...

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (XdlcF)

113 Can Zimmerman get peace orders against the NBPP, Jesse Jackson etc

an excellent idea!

Zimmerman could apparently get a "peace order" against countless lefty and "mainstream" news outlets and blogs

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (SB0V2)

114 I see nothing in the Peace Order that Walker is known to have violated so I guess we have to wait for transcript to find out what bugged the judge.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (NG097)

115 106 Can Zimmerman get peace orders against the NBPP, Jesse Jackson etc since they wrote/spoke things that incited thugs to write death threats against him?

COUNTLESS NUMBER OF BLOGS EITHER THREATENING DEATH



Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (tf9Ne)


No.. you silly wingnut...rules dont apply to democrats.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (DGIjM)

116
Now toad-licking.

****

What two or more people do in the sanctity of their own bedroom or wherever else it feels right is of no business to you Reich-wing haters.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (jUZRg)

117 reminds me sadly of a script where evil guy with nothing to lose baits normal person into fearing for life and then uses the courts/police against the normal guy who rightly reacts.. even in court.. maybe with a raised voice? Scary stuff. I guess this is why we should always take an attorney with us to court.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (Mrdk1)

118 Oh and Worthing IS a lawyer, by the way.

Even lawyers need lawyers sometimes.

The fact that there's a context where that statement is justified bugs me, by the way.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (GBXon)

119 Speech about a private person isn't protected. Otherwise defamation laws would violate the 1st amendment. This is one reason to have Kimberlin's record read into the Congressional Record: the then becomes a "public person" or whatever the term is.


I could be mistaken on this, but I think this guy already tried to sue someone for libel or defamation of character and either lost or had the suit tossed because the judge ruled that it was nearly impossible to defame someone whose character was already destroyed. Maybe it was a different person, I can't recall for certain, but the point was that the plaintiff's character was already so badly damaged that there was very little that anyone else could say or write that would make him seem worse. This could be why you see Kimberlin filing all of these "peace orders" type suits that have nothing to do with defamation of character.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (JxMoP)

120 Worthing's responsible b/c Kimberlin received death threats? What's to say he didn't cook them up himself? How does this even pass the legal smell test?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 29, 2012 01:24 PM (Y5I9o)

121 >>>I'm a lawyer with 25 years of experience and I do not understand this
"peace order" business. An order prohibiting blogging on a certain topic
would almost certainly constitute an unlawful prior restraint of free
speech.

Not being encumbered by your legal education, I'd venture to say that this is all okey-dokey because we're a people that long ago gave up self government to be ruled by an elitist bunch of fucking shitweeds. But that's just me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:25 PM (zlvkY)

122 Buzz, Aaron Walker blogged under the name "Aaron Worthing".

Cicero, click my name for a copy of the peace order. Not that it will actually help make any sense of this!!

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:25 PM (XdlcF)

123 Walker must have been doing something besides merely
blogging about Kimberlin, even if the content of the blogging was
arguably defamatory. Anyone have an explanation?


Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (QKKT0)

My understanding is that Kimberlin claims that AW physically attacked him at some point. This story gets weirder by the moment so I might be wrong about that.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:25 PM (RD7QR)

124 I still think this is a purposeful distraction and I think we should -
while dealing with it, if involved - keep it to a dull roar.


Given that BK is one of a long list of Soros puppets (and that he quite reasonably could be seen as doing all this to get revenge for the silencing of other Soros puppets, ie, Weiner and ACORN) I don't think this is an either/or situation. The Presidency is of course the primary goal at all times, but if we can knock out some of Barry the Choom's command and control that's not a bad thing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 29, 2012 01:26 PM (tqwMN)

125 Speech about a private person isn't protected. Otherwise defamation laws
would violate the 1st amendment. This is one reason to have Kimberlin's
record read into the Congressional Record: the then becomes a "public
person" or whatever the term is.

Speech about private people is protected, just to a lower standard than New York Times v. Sullivan imposes for public people. Bedsides, the question of whether future speech will be preemptively enjoined is entirely separate from whether Kimberlin is a private or public person, and whether he has a viable claim for defamation. Prior restraint is almost always prohibited, regardless of whether the subject is a public or private person.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:26 PM (QKKT0)

126 Frakkin' html

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (QKKT0)

127 ruled by an elitist bunch of fucking pants-wearing shitweeds,

I believe you meant to say.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (XdlcF)

128 well, I guess a new exeception to the First Amendment was carved out. It used to be that truth was absolute defense to libel but now all you have to do is use the ironically higher criminal standard to quash speech.

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (QxSug)

129 UPDATE IV: Just spoke to a source who confirms that witnesses saw Walker led out of the courtroom in handcuffs. Ali Akbar, president of the National Bloggers Club, Tweets:

Will know more on Aaron’s situation at 3:30/4:30pm.

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (X6akg)

130
ruled by an elitist bunch of fucking shitweeds
****

The technical term is elitistfuckingshitweedocracy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (jUZRg)

131 A narcissist can find a fellow narcissist sitting on the bench. They recognize the same traits in each other and it can tend to bode poorly for the normal person.
Great egos love great egos as they get to stroke each other. Judges can have big egos.

Posted by: hmmmm at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (Tk/Py)

132 I see according to the order that the judge said "countless number of either threatening death'.

Other than the fact that it doesn't read right (what's the "either" -- I think the judge left off part of his order), where is he getting this from? Which "countless blog" threatened death?

http://i.___ur.com/55TPK.jpg

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 29, 2012 01:27 PM (pLTLS)

133 I keep seeing references to Aaron having been "arrested" or "taken into custody" but the only thing to come out of this so far is the final peace order. Was he or was he not charged and if not, why are blogs hyping it as an arrest?

Posted by: creeper at May 29, 2012 01:28 PM (gre5a)

134 So Kimberlan "claims" death-threats? Even if true, how could that be tied to Worthing? A conspiracy by Worthing ( who has everything to lose ) to threaten Kimberlan ( who has a criminal past and uses the legal system to harass )?

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 29, 2012 01:28 PM (Mrdk1)

135 well, time to prepare an appeal

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 01:28 PM (QxSug)

136 Maryland: We're still a colony!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:28 PM (zlvkY)

137 McCain reporting that more will be known after 4:30.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 29, 2012 01:28 PM (UK9cE)

138 135 well, time to prepare an appeal

And get a lawyer, a smart one.

Posted by: hmmmm at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Tk/Py)

139 JJ Sefton. An annoyance/peeve of mine in the movie Midway is hearing that phrase. It was uttered during the Battle of the Coral Sea when Lexington and Yorktown hammered the IJN light carrier Shoho.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (nfwzc)

140 Lawyer or no, there is an old saying that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client. Surely Levin can find someone to represent him pro bono. Enough.

Posted by: thunderb at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

141 >>My understanding is that Kimberlin claims that AW physically attacked him at some point.

That, and video of what actually happened, are at Aaron's Allergic to Bull blog.

But...blogs with death threats are what are mentioned in the peace order.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (XdlcF)

142 "Anyone in the Legal Professions have any idea how long it will take to get a court transcript?"

Only as long as it takes the authorities in MD to make them up. MD is left of Left, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (71LDo)

143 I remember hearing that a man representing himself in court has a fool for a client, still, I have to ask why a convicted animal like Kimberlin can get away with this kind of blatant intimidation. Does someone have to die as a result of this insanity before common-sense enters the equation?

Posted by: nraendowment at May 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Msv+6)

144 ... In a country where 3,000 abortions are committed daily sanctioned under the law, we should not be surprised atanything else takingplace, eludingcommon sense.

Posted by: Journolist at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (QWOh7)

145 Well drats, I see that order isn't pulling. I can't get tiny url to work so you'll have to be w/out the order I saw unless someone else pulled it or posted it here.

fwiw, I read it on @melissatweet 's page

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (pLTLS)

146 "He stayed at a Holiday Inn."

There's the problem! He needed to stay at a Holiday Inn EXPRESS!

Posted by: reason at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (sPO/s)

147 Isn't he a lawyer himself? Why wouldn't he represent himself?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (IEUSX)



emotional detachment

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (05RcU)

I believe I could work up some emotional detachment if the alternative is paying somebody $3,000.00 + just to show up for a hearing. Seriously, who would have thought it could have gone this way?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (IEUSX)

148 According to Walker's account, the peace order had been dismissed.

He must've pissed off the judge.

Posted by: mpurinTexas at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (J4Pnx)

149 Given that BK is one of a long list of Soros puppets
(and that he quite reasonably could be seen as doing all this to get
revenge for the silencing of other Soros puppets, ie, Weiner and ACORN) I
don't think this is an either/or situation. The Presidency is of course
the primary goal at all times, but if we can knock out some of Barry
the Choom's command and control that's not a bad thing.


Posted by: Ian S. at May 29, 2012 01:26 PM (tqwMN)

Yes it's the same players behind this, but battles and order of battles has to be chosen wisely so people dont get distracted.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (AWmfW)

150 #BrettKimberlin‬ "affiliate" says "The rest of you plotters will probably be served soon." to


http://tinyurl.com/7stheup

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (X6akg)

151 Walker said on Beck's show the other day that he was going to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if he had to.

Looking more like he's going to have to do just that.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (UK9cE)

152 The "peace order" is typical shit put out by a court: undecipherable because the assistant clerk that typed it is a union worker.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (zlvkY)

153 buzz at 109 - Aaron Walker blogged under the nom de net Aaron Worthing at his own blogs and as a guest blogger at Patterico.

Posted by: Have Blue at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (0dPUM)

154 >>Just spoke to a source who confirms that witnesses saw Walker led out of the courtroom in handcuffs.

Hmm. Is that because of something that happened in the courtroom, like comtempt, or is it because he's supposed to stay away from "ANYWHERE" as stated in the peace order linked in my name??

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:31 PM (XdlcF)

155
Murphy vs Boston Herald 2007

MA Superior Court Judge Ernest Murphy sued the Boston Herald for "emotional distress suffered [...] as a result of watching his



daughter's acute emotional trauma in the wake of the publication of the articles."

The articles in question were by Herald reporters writing on Judge Murphy's outrageous leniency for a rapist in a case.

The articles included quotes from Judge Murphy such as: "`She can't go through life as a victim. She's [fourteen]. She got raped. Tell her to get over it.'"

The judge won this case! The Boston Herald had to pay this piece of shit Judge Ernest Murphy damages as a result of exercising their First Amendment right to free speech.




Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:32 PM (9Q7Nu)

156 #150 Tami. Sounds like a bunch of us better take out restraining orders then. Sounds like a credible threat to personal well-being.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:32 PM (nfwzc)

157 I'm sure convicted felon Brett Kimberlin spins a charming tale of his innocent victimhood.

Posted by: nickless at May 29, 2012 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

158 I don't want to disparage Mr Worthing but I heard a quote once (I'll paraphrase): The lawyer who represents himself has an idiot for a client. Not that Mr Worthing isn't a good lawyer, or that he is not absolutely in the right, it's just that usually the person involved in the suit is too personally involved. It's difficult to maintain a dispassionate clinical distance from the proceedings. As evidenced by his supposed "irritation" during the hearing.

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:33 PM (nojhZ)

159 My "quick read" on this is up at my place. I'll probably post again when we know more.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:33 PM (8y9MW)

160
114I see nothing in the Peace Order that Walker is known to have violated so I guess we have to wait for transcript to find out what bugged the judge.<<<<

And also, I'd keep writing about convicted felon Brett Kimberlin. Worthing never communicated a threat as far as I can tell.

Extradite me, motherfucker, for blogging facts entered into the public record.

Hmm. Maybe that's what Aaron told the judge that got him arrested.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 29, 2012 01:33 PM (U1kBg)

161 >>>I'm sure convicted felon Brett Kimberlin spins a charming tale of his innocent victimhood.

He's good at that.

Posted by: Julia Scyphers at May 29, 2012 01:34 PM (zlvkY)

162 Reading Worthing's account of this a week or soago, I concluded that he has not been very smart, and simplyis not very smart.Earlier, he showed up at a hearing he didn't need to be at, and piped up out of turnrepeatedly, and annoyed and puzzled the judge. When Kimberlin supposedly raised an IPad to strike him outside the courtroom Worthingtook it away from him instead of rapidly moving away. He is fecless and has played right into the sociopath's hands at every turn and has gotten himself all stuck to the tarbaby.

And the judge is either a fool or a tool, and the law is a ass. Those things arealso true.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 29, 2012 01:34 PM (w41GQ)

163 I'm sure convicted felon Brett Kimberlin spins a charming tale of his innocent victimhood.

-------------

Leftists like him have raised victimization to an artform.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 01:34 PM (x2CNJ)

164 Thats what I am thinking EOJ, it isn't what he said it was how he said it. Understandable under the circumstances but it wouldn't have happened if he had counsel.

Posted by: thunderb at May 29, 2012 01:34 PM (Dnbau)

165 Hmm. Maybe that's what Aaron told the judge that got him arrested.

Maybe he wouldn't shut up about Kimberlin's perjury. It could be anything.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (NG097)

166 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (6HIQG)

167 I believe I could work up some emotional detachment
if the alternative is paying somebody $3,000.00 + just to show up for a
hearing. Seriously, who would have thought it could have gone this way?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (IEUSX)
Maybe that thinking is the mistake you avoid by having someone represent you.These are left wing activist judges with no sense or reason.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (AWmfW)

168 Let's think this through. Walker may indeed have a strategy here. Conservative support is now doubling around his situation.

Posted by: Journolist at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (QWOh7)

169 Never, ever, ever, ever represent yourself in court. Never. Always have an attorney. Even for "minor issues."

I made the mistake of representing myself more than a decade ago on a traffic matter (had blown off paying a speeding ticket when in college and got pulled over to check in transits which were fine but my license was suspended). Accepted full responsibility and paid my fines. All good, right? City forgot to tell the County I showed up for court. County thinks I'm a deadbeat. Attorney could and would have caught the error.

Nothing like paying several thousand dollars in attorneys fees to get it right the second time and spend a night in the tank since they don't mess around when they think you're a second-time deadbeat.

Never represent yourself. The attorney yelled at me for not respecting the system and told me my suffering was what it likes to do to people who fail to show respect. "Pay me a bunch of money and the system likes you. Don't, and it'll make your life hell."

It's a good thing we don't let lawyers become Congressmen or else the whole system would be a corrupt disaster.

Posted by: ResistWeMuch at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (bpONz)

170 I thought Worthing asserted that the peace order did not prohibit blogging about the matter, but I'm betting that the judge didn't like that omission being pointed out.

Posted by: nickless at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (MMC8r)

171 *stares at Jane D'oh for a little longer than is normally considered comfortable*

*shakes it's head as it looks away*

No...couldn't be...

*walks away*

Posted by: the United States at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (sPO/s)

172 If Aaron was representing himself he probably could not fire himself as his legal counsel while in session...

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (nfwzc)

173 17 Hey I'm only a Dentist, but why was he representing himself?

It's the lesser of two evils: Represent yourself....or consort with lawyers.

I'm also "only a dentist".... but my experience has consistantly been that if a lawyer is involved, you've already lost money and justice is the last thing to be considered as both judges and lawyers have agreed to accept that 1)"justice is simply a matter of perception" and 2) "they only thing they CAN determine is who gets the money and who pays the money to settle a case".

Posted by: MrObvious at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (2uovW)

174 150
#BrettKimberlin‬ "affiliate" says "The rest of you plotters will probably be served soon." tohttp://tinyurl.com/7stheup




Sounds like they have plans.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:36 PM (UOM48)

175 Welkome to Amerika.

I take it this is really bad news for those who covered Kimberlin? I suppose we can all expect communications from the courts... and the stripping of our first amendment rights.

Sorry, but I don't have any witty snark this morning...

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 29, 2012 01:36 PM (0tRzD)

176 When Kimberlin supposedly raised an IPad to strike him outside the courtroom Worthing took it away from him

--------------

Yep, that sounds about right.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 01:36 PM (x2CNJ)

177 @150: actually, he said "the rest of you plotters will probably be SEVERED soon". Which sounds like one hell of a threat.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 29, 2012 01:36 PM (tqwMN)

178 JeremiadBullfrog: "Worthing's responsible b/c Kimberlin received death
threats? What's to say he didn't cook them up himself? How does this
even pass the legal smell test?"


Exactly. Kimberlin reportedly committed crimes to try to hide other crimes. Also reportedly, he even tried to convince other felons to commit crimes to mask his own.

Somehow, all this adds up to Worthing being the criminal? BS.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 29, 2012 01:36 PM (eHIJJ)

179 well, did anyone attend the hearing? From the transcript of the ealier proceeding, BK was totally exposed as being a lying BS. AW did have an attorney at that point.

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (QxSug)

180 I don't know how you can go to court, represent yourself, and not expect to have your ass handed to you on a platter.

Posted by: d_fitz at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (AnTLs)

181 Cicero, click my name for a copy of the peace order. Not that it will actually help make any sense of this!!

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:25 PM (XdlcF)

Thanks, mama. The order is pretty vague but it appears that Kimberlin convinced some judge that either (a) Worthing threatened BK with imminent bodily harm (on his blog maybe?) or (b) Worthing's blogging caused third persons to threaten BK. IMO, restraining on alternative (a) would probably be proper; restraining on grounds of (b) would almost certainly NOT be proper. If a judge could restrain a blogger because his writing about a subject caused a nutjob to threaten the subject, there would be no end to the potential for censorship.

There's also some stuff that suggests Worthing had confrontations with BK, but this may just be boilerplate.
Anyone know what Worthing said about BK on his blog that might be seen as an imminent threat? If BK produced something, I can see the judge treating Worthing roughly.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (QKKT0)

182 Never represent yourself. The attorney yelled at me for not respecting the system and told me my suffering was what it likes to do to people who fail to show respect. "Pay me a bunch of money and the system likes you. Don't, and it'll make your life hell."

Rarely do lawyers state so baldly that it's a Protection Racket.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (NG097)

183 Kimberlin filing all of these "peace orders" type suits that have nothing to do with defamation of character.

No, but it does mean that there is at least some wiggle room between the 1st Amendment and blogging about private citizens.

I'm not saying this judge acted properly, but I can at least see some situations where this would be justified (well, not the arrest- not sure what that's about).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (8y9MW)

184 More questions than answers.

Starting with...how does a retired judge hear this case?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 29, 2012 01:38 PM (pLTLS)

185 Plotters?

Srsly?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 29, 2012 01:38 PM (/kI1Q)

186 >>>I suppose we can all expect communications from the courts...

I just toss it in the pile with the rest. I have more lawyers in my yard than I have songbirds.

They just love thistle seed, you know.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:38 PM (zlvkY)

187 Gots ourselfs a martyr here. Can't go wrong with that.

Posted by: Average Joe at May 29, 2012 01:38 PM (bN5ZU)

188 I have more lawyers in my yard than I have songbirds.

--------------------

I hear lawyers make good fertilizer.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (x2CNJ)

189 My opinion is Worthing should not be representing himself. As a lawyer he should know this. He's too vested to avoid getting overly passionate and emotional. He needs to step back, hire good council, plan round two, and let the lawyers do their jobs while he watches from the sideline.

I'd like to see this case move beyond the small details of peace orders and such, and move eventually to a Federal case regarding free speech, "lawfare", and if the evidence is there...domestic terrorism via SWATing and whatever other methods might be in use (contacting employers, family, friends, etc?). Worthing, Patterico, and the other targeted bloggers should get together and come up with an actual long term legal strategy. Hopefully some on the left would join them, as this should not be a left vs. right issue.

Posted by: MostlyRight at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (ZG8Ti)

190 Oh look its Uncle Joe. How are the Gulags?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (nfwzc)

191 Patience. The fat lady hasn't sung on this opera.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CP+yl)

192 I believe I could work up some emotional detachment if the alternative is paying somebody $3,000.00 + just to show up for a hearing. Seriously, who would have thought it could have gone this way?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (IEUSX)


I hear that, but in the end he might end up paying more if he had just gotten an attorney in the first place. Hey bottom line, if your gonna get into a pissing match with someone, you better have the tools to win

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (05RcU)

193 I'm so angry about this.Fucking convicted bomber harassing innocents.Innocent gets arrested.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (6HIQG)

194 158
I don't want to disparage Mr Worthing but I heard a quote once (I'll
paraphrase): The lawyer who represents himself has an idiot for a
client. Not that Mr Worthing isn't a good lawyer, or that he is not
absolutely in the right, it's just that usually the person involved in
the suit is too personally involved. It's difficult to maintain a
dispassionate clinical distance from the proceedings. As evidenced by
his supposed "irritation" during the hearing.


Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:33 PM (nojhZ)

But until we know , maybe the activist judge used that saying to imply he didn't represented himself correctly.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:40 PM (AWmfW)

195 >>>Oh look its Uncle Joe.

Clearly, Mr. Worthing confessed to sabotaging the latest Four Year Plan.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:40 PM (zlvkY)

196 169 Never, ever, ever, ever represent yourself in court. Never. Always have an attorney. Even for "minor issues."

I made the mistake of representing myself more than a decade ago on a traffic matter...

----

That's a really sound rule of thumb, but I do know of two cases where people represented themselves and won.

Case 1 was my sister who many moons ago found her (pretty much a beater) car severely damaged after parking in a garage. (I can't recall if it was a valet one, but it was one with attendants.) The garage had the standard "We're not responsible" sign. My sister fought for damages anyway and won. I suspect that the fact she was young, just starting out, this was her first car and she needed it for work made her sympathetic to the judge.

The second case was a friend from grad school who fought a speeding ticket in Chicago by demonstrating (using math, physics) that the officer's location (iirc, on/near a ramp) was such that he could not get an accurate reading of his speed.

Posted by: Y-not despises the SCOAMF at May 29, 2012 01:41 PM (5H6zj)

197 Keep in mind that Walker and his wife both lost their jobs over this shit. Kimberlin published their work addresses and their employers were scared of an attack. So, hiring an attorney may not have been option.

Posted by: mpurinTexas at May 29, 2012 01:41 PM (J4Pnx)

198 I don't know how you can go to court, represent yourself, and not expect to have your ass handed to you on a platter.

The law expects lawyers to get paid. If no lawyer is paid, justice is not served.

Posted by: nickless at May 29, 2012 01:41 PM (MMC8r)

199 Judges do tend to favor those who have attorneys over those who do not. I was always told to get an attorney, unless it was for dumb *little* stuff. Who knows? Maybe no one wanted to represent him? Maybe they had a reason?

Posted by: Junshin at May 29, 2012 01:41 PM (VWlmO)

200 "the fact that Worthing received some death threats from angry people is all chargeable to Worthing."

Uh, proofreading?

Posted by: datsnotamore at May 29, 2012 01:41 PM (Cb0k8)

201 Rule number one: Never tick off the judge. Rule number two: everything else.

I am *not*, I repeat *not* saying that's what happened, I wasn't there and I have no idea at all what happened. But if you violate rule number one? Well, a judge has many options, including having you thrown in jail for disrespecting his authoritah. That can happen no matter how right you are about whatever it is you are arguing.


I have Opinions about peace orders/protective orders/whatever your jurisdiction calls them. In brief, they are too easy to obtain and far, far too broad. Again, I have no idea, at all, if Aaron Worthing violated the terms of the peace order that was in place. None. I am simply saying that, speaking broadly, these types of orders are too easily granted.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 01:42 PM (VtjlW)

202 So I guess to win on the peace order deal, whether you really have a leg to stand on, Is be the one whoasks one first.
make shit up i guess, also who outted place of works wifes work and home address anyway? who was threatening whom?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 01:42 PM (TomZ9)

203 How is Kimberlin a private citizen? He was convicted of terrorism and other crimes, operates charitable organizations that, apparently, have dealings with the government that he publicizes and was in a band.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:42 PM (MNbIC)

204 McCain's site must be getting pounded, or DOS attacked. I can't refresh it.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (UK9cE)

205
If Aaron was representing himself he probably could not fire himself as his legal counsel while in session...

****

He should probably file a 35(c) motion alleging ineffective assistance of counsel.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (jUZRg)

206 Think its time to flee the InterTubes to accomplish something. What, still not sure on.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (nfwzc)

207 I've beaten multiple speeding tickets in court while representing myself. And I was actually guilty, once.

Course, I was younger and drove too fast.

I also fired my lawyer in the middle of a civil trial and kicked the plaintiff's ass after a 15 minute recess in which the judge asked me if I knew what the hell I was doing.
I didn't, but apparently I did.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (zlvkY)

208 He may not have had the money to hire an attorney. Both he and his wife are out of jobs thanks to this scumbag and what attorney would take this case pro bono like he initiated did the first time around?

What a fucking nightmare.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (pLTLS)

209 Worthing is an attorney,probably trying to save the expense.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (6HIQG)

210 Rarely do lawyers state so baldly that it's a Protection Racket.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (NG097)


Look, these parades you throw are very expensive. You using my police,
my sanitation people, and my Oldsmobiles free of charge. So, if you
mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken.

Posted by: Carmine DePasto at May 29, 2012 01:43 PM (QKKT0)

211 did kimberlin get swat-ed?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 01:44 PM (TomZ9)

212 I hear lawyers make good fertilizer.
Is that not redundant? (It all depends on how you define the word "is".)

Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at May 29, 2012 01:44 PM (2uovW)

213 Dude needs to get a lawyer. A lawyer that isn't himself, as he is clearly to involved emotionally to defend himself properly.

Is this something that can be appealed?

Posted by: holygoat at May 29, 2012 01:44 PM (auGuV)

214 and that kimberlin's violent past, threats in real time in the last year cannot be brought up?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 01:44 PM (TomZ9)

215
Prohibited act? Again I ask, how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?
------
If Worthing didn't bring this up then he has a fool for a client. But this is nothing new in the court system. I recall reading stories about the lawyers for the 100 exact cases that preceded Rosa Parks being thrown into jail by the judge. One of the quotes I'll paraphrase, when a judge told the lawyer he's being locked up for defending the client. "You northerners want to come into my courthouse with these stunts, you'll be locked up".

Posted by: Jimmah at May 29, 2012 01:44 PM (cWkOB)

216 he also runs charitable organizations, he may be a public figure.

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (QxSug)

217 Lacey at 184 - A lot of jurisdictions use retired judges to hear civil matters.

Posted by: Have Blue at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (0dPUM)

218
Can someone tell me in one simple sentence the purpose of today's hearing?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (9Q7Nu)

219 From William Jacobson over at Legal insurection.


Stacy McCain has a report that Aaron Walker was arrested after a court hearing for violating a “peace order” obtained by Brett Kimberlin by blogging about his experience with Kimberlin. If that’s the case, it raises some very interesting legal questions.

Since reports are sketchy at this point, I will not opine on it.

I will caution readers with some life advice. When you are up against someone with a long history of using the legal system as a tool to go after others, you have to be very careful and very strategic. Get a good lawyer. Don’t go up against a former “jailhouse lawyer” yourself.

Read McCain’s column at The American Spectator; Kimberlin was a very good “jailhouse lawyer” and knows the ways of lawfare.

I’ll update as more becomes known, and readers are encouraged to update in the comments.

Ali Akbar has twitter updates.


Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (DGIjM)

220 This is absurd. This is scary.

However, and I hate to say this, Worthing was a fucking retard to represent himself in this case, ESPECIALLY if he couldn't control his temper -- which he has already evidenced a problem with.

He's a lawyer, he should know better.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (KVOrU)

221 Where the fuck did this judge go to law school? Yemen?

I hate what our country has become.

Posted by: mpfs at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (iYbLN)

222 Moscow warned Washington on Tuesday of "severe repercussions" on the relations between the two superpowers should Russian companies operating in Iran be affected by the new American sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic.

"We assume that (Russian) companies which do violate the restrictions imposed by the UN Security Council (on Iran) will not be affected by the anti-Iranian American laws," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Yup them sanctions will sure work great with Russia on Iran's side. One hell of a reset button?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (05RcU)

223 191
Patience. The fat lady hasn't sung on this opera.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CP+yl)

Yes , Patience , this is left wing psy ops and lawfare against bloggers. Needs a mobilization.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (AWmfW)

224 What did this "peace order" say, exactly?
I am so glad I don't live in the People's Republic of Maryland...

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:45 PM (3LaGb)

225 final hearing on the matter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 01:46 PM (CP+yl)

226 Via Twitter (the thing Judge Royal Typewriter doesn't understand):

jimmiebjr
If this account of the Walker trial from an eyewitness is accurate, Walker did a very poor job of defending himself. http://t.co/OlN8rirB

Posted by: Y-not despises the SCOAMF at May 29, 2012 01:46 PM (5H6zj)

227
The law expects lawyers to get paid. If no lawyer is paid, justice is not served.

****

I remember during the Obamacare debate Obama alleged that doctors would perform unnecessary tonsilectomies and amputations for the money. Maybe you should perform your own surgery as well, just to be safe.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 01:46 PM (jUZRg)

228
Posted by: Carmine DePasto

You can take your thumb out of my ass any time now, Carmine.


Posted by: Marion Wormer, the dean's wife at May 29, 2012 01:47 PM (9Q7Nu)

229 So, maybe the "coward" guy wasn't so far off, after all.

Worthing obviously has "issues". He obviously doesn't have the temperament to be a trial lawyer, and fails to acknowledge that ...

A person who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

Posted by: datsnotamore at May 29, 2012 01:47 PM (Cb0k8)

230 A lot of jurisdictions use retired judges to hear civil matters.

^^^

Oh I know, but really on this *particular* case. Give me a break for just one second.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 29, 2012 01:47 PM (pLTLS)

231 #BrettKimberlin‬ "affiliate" says "The rest of you plotters will probably be served soon."

Bring it. I've got lawyers by the dozens!

Posted by: HP, Brother, and Kyocera at May 29, 2012 01:47 PM (+hPIb)

232
Looking at it this way... The most important thing to judges, ahead of justice, is that your respect their authoritah.


The judge might have been strongly inclined to arrest Aaron Worthing because he felt his Peace Order had been violated.


Which would explain why he got "increasingly hostile" as the hearing wore on.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:47 PM (RD7QR)

233 Please note Walker and his wife lost their jobs and so probably couldn't afford a lawyer.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (MNbIC)

234 "The fact that Aaron is representing himself is kind of a huge mistake to repeat the painfully obvious.

Posted by: Max Power at May 29, 2012 01:16 PM"

This is true. I think Aaron has a hard time accepting charity. You'll notice he was the slowest regarding a donation fund. He doesn't have a paypal tip jar.

And he doesn't have a job, yet he has thousands in legal bills.

He won the last peace order, was elated, and then almost immediately Brett filed another one. He cannot keep fighting them over and over and over. he doesn't have infinite money.

Of course, this is not a full explanation as there is fund now for helping defend oneself from Brett.

It was a serious mistake for Aaron to go into a hearing without a lawyer. Aaron thought the truth would be enough. It is not enough in Maryland.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (z36s0)

235
how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?

****

Full faith and credit clause.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (jUZRg)

236 "Respect mah authoritay." Truer words. The law is not the ass here, it's the judge. Not doing his/her/its job.

Posted by: AMartel at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (1Bqk7)

237 In other, more light-hearted (mock-worthy) news, Meggie Mac has a new book coming out, "America, You Sexy Bitch."

Linky goes to Politico:

http://tinyurl.com/7mmqq69

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (UOM48)

238
Enough with the recriminations, already.

Posted by: Marion Wormer, the dean's wife at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (9Q7Nu)

Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (9Q7Nu)

240 Please note Walker and his wife lost their jobs and so probably couldn't afford a lawyer.
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (MNbIC)

"IF" that's the case, then discretion is often the better part of valor. You have to know your limitations

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (05RcU)

241 Sonofa..

see you what you armchair cackling hens made me do?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (9Q7Nu)

242 WTF?
there is clear and convincing evidence that [Walker] is likely to commit a prohibited act in the future against [Kimberlin].”
==================
That seems pretty arbitrary....

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (3LaGb)

243 47 While this disgusts me, don't let Kimberlin do what he wants to do: distract the conservative blogosphere from concentrating on Obama as the election heats up. That's why I'm not diving in on this. Mr. Worthing is a smart man and will get himself out of this. Kimberlin is shaping up to be the shiniest of objects. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (NFcOS)


Fuck this shit.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Where did people get the idea that somehow the right can't focus on multiple issues?

The presidential election is 6 months away which is plenty of time to beat up on Obama and the economy. But Aaron Worthing is losing his freedom today thanks to Kimberlin. I think we can all budget some time to stop this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (pAlYe)

244 This all just adds to my opinion that once you enter the legal system in the USA (or anywhere, really) you are screwed. Period. Innocence is irrelevant. Guilt is irrelevant. Common sense isn't even in the equation.

Judges are mini-tyrants capable of ruining lives if they have a bad day.

I put ZERO faith in the judicial system.

Posted by: jjmurphy at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (xjEAl)

245 any more sightings of POS Coward Robert Ford?

I noticed that he posted four comments to R. S. McCain's article on the American Spectator site last night.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 29, 2012 01:50 PM (IlZPo)

246 how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?

gah, probably has something to do with commerce clause.

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 01:50 PM (TomZ9)

247 The left owns the courts. This type of lawfare goes on all the time but only the left can engage in it.

Posted by: Jack at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (42/S8)

248 Judge in Kimberlin Hearing Woefully ignorant of Internet, Twitter

This morning, I attended the hearing
over a protective order sought by Brett Kimberlin against Aaron Walker
in Rockville, MD. There were only a few people there.

Walker, the defendant, if you
will–and I apologize for getting any terminology wrong, I don’t have a
lot of experience with peace orders, as my thorough pre-adoption
criminal background check shows–had to represent himself. Kimberlin had
an attorney present, who issued a few objections, nearly inaudible to
me.

The Judge, and I haven’t confirmed
this, but I believe he was former Montgomery County Chief Justice James
Vaughan–a guy who retired in ’04, and still takes the odd shift when
stuff gets busy or there are vacations. In an earlier matter, Judge
Vaughan mentioned he lived in the Caribbean, so pretty sure that’s the
guy.


It went bad for Walker
pretty quickly. If you’ve followed the matter, and I know not a lot of
people have, Walker, who is an attorney, acted in an advisory capacity
for another blogger who had dealings with Kimberlin. Kimberlin later
accused Walker of assault; those charges were null-processed; Walker
wrote about things like you’ll read on Kimberlin’s wikipedia page, as
well as his own dealings with Kimberlin.



http://tinyurl.com/7js6z9v

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (X6akg)

249 Liberal Democrats know only that one of their own was "threatened" (with exposure and possible loss of funds) and so anything that "threatens" a Liberal Democrat MUST be stopped.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (i0App)

250 Rush is continuing to ignore this. Turning him off now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (UOM48)

251 Let's think this through. Walker may indeed have a strategy here. Conservative support is now doubling around his situation.
Posted by: Journolis


Interesting thought.

Posted by: macintx at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (ucs8Y)

252 Fuck this shit.We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Where did people get the idea that somehow the right can't focus on multiple issues?The
presidential election is 6 months away which is plenty of time to beat
up on Obama and the economy. But Aaron Worthing is losing his freedom
today thanks to Kimberlin. I think we can all budget some time to stop
this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (pAlYe)

Ditto.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (AWmfW)

253 "Gots ourselfs a martyr here. Can't go wrong with that."

What you have yourselfs is a victim whom Ace and a huge majority of commenters are frantically dissociating yourselfs from, because yourselfs "understand" he "must have done something"...because (all we know for sure is) the government appears to be treating him poorly.

Yourselfs is a bag o' tools who aren't even on *your own* side, and you deserve whatever Kimberlin & Co. decide you deserve.

Posted by: nope at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (cePv8)

254 220 This is absurd. This is scary.

However, and I hate to say this, Worthing was a fucking retard to represent himself in this case, ESPECIALLY if he couldn't control his temper -- which he has already evidenced a problem with.

He's a lawyer, he should know better.


I got a $300 speeding ticket once, and there was a possibility of my license getting suspended, just from the one ticket, with no priors. I hired a lawyer, and I still was found guilty, but the lawyer was worth every penny for the one time he told me to shut up.

Posted by: Michael at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (Hl5ka)

255 I wouldn't be so quick to label this some kind of put-up job by a corrupt or stupid judge. It's obvious that we don't know the facts here.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (QKKT0)

256 @meekrob #105

Both actually. About 90% of the commenters at Sailer are openly anti-Semitic and they hate Israel because they want Israel's immigration policy for America. They blame Jews for America's lax immigration laws.

Posted by: pickles at May 29, 2012 01:53 PM (wUldG)

257 I am so glad that we have judges presiding over hearings involving the internet where they gleefully admit to having no idea how the internet works. Nothing to see here, folks! Just gross incompetence by people that can throw you in jail for pointing out their gross incompetence.

Posted by: FPW at May 29, 2012 01:53 PM (BDNF5)

258 " 233
Please note Walker and his wife lost their jobs and so probably couldn't afford a lawyer.


Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (MNbIC)"
Are there no conservative lawyers who would take this case pro bono? THIS case? We are really and truly fucked if that's the case.

Posted by: holygoat at May 29, 2012 01:54 PM (auGuV)

259 We are laughing about this at the WH! Also - We will make you buy FLOTUS' book!

Posted by: WH Choom Gang at May 29, 2012 01:55 PM (c3mby)

260 I'll bet that Walker is released in less than 24 hours. Tempers cool and the judge's "honor" is satisfied.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:55 PM (NG097)

261 The law expects lawyers to get paid.

This. If you read through any of the statutes on paying back liens, be they to the government (Medicare or Medicaid) orto a private insurer (ERISA qualified health plans for example), the amount at issue is the amount after the lawyer gets paid. Lawyers write the laws and lawyers make damn sure that the profession will get paid.

It was a serious mistake for Aaron to go into a hearing without a lawyer. Aaron thought the truth would be enough. It is not enough in Maryland.

We don't know why he was arrested. You can be thrown in jail for contempt while being totally right as a matter of law. (Again, I have no idea if that's what happened but that's my gut reaction to the little that we know) The most idiotic thing I've ever seen in court was a defendant saying to a judge that he didn't have to obey an order compelling discovery of his assets to satisfy a verdict because the jury was wrong and he wasn't going to pay. The judge asked him point blank if he was refusing to do what the court said. The guy said yes. I thought the judge was going to come over the bench and throttle him with his bare hands. That guy was in jail for two days before the judge decided he would deign to listen to a request for release.

Rule number one. Never ever tick off the judge. Ever.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

262 how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?


If a court has personal jurisdiction over a party, it can make an order restraining that party's conduct no matter where it might occur. (Otherwise, the party could just cross a state line and violate an injunction with impunity.)

I have a case in now where a California federal judge restrained my client, a company, from carrying out certain business transactions in China. It's a valid order.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (QKKT0)

263 Full faith and credit clause.


I get that for stuff like "Pay this guy this much money," or "Stay away from this person and don't try to contact him." Those I understand. What I don't understand is, "Hey, you in that other state over there. Don't say anything about this guy in this state over here." Seems to me that even if a judge could preempt the speech of a person in a different state it would be a federal judge that would be doing it, not astate judge.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (JxMoP)

264 That's why I'm not diving in on this. Mr. Worthing is a smart man and
will get himself out of this.



When our rights to free speech on blogs is threatened individually, if we abandon each other to fend for ourselves, then we will be one by one bullied into silence; And there will be no more new media.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

265 260
I'll bet that Walker is released in less than 24 hours. Tempers cool and the judge's "honor" is satisfied.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:55 PM (NG097)

Well, if it's about contempt of court. But the issue of the peace order is still out there, isn't it?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 29, 2012 01:57 PM (RD7QR)

266 This is related to Sunday's book thread. I finished Mark Levin's "Ameritopia" yesterday. We are so fucked. For a hundred years men and women have sworn to faithfully defend the Constitution knowing that they had no intention of doing so.

The tyranny is already here.


Posted by: Jimbo at May 29, 2012 01:57 PM (O3R/2)

267 Aaron probably is painfully aware that he made a mistake. Those insulting him harshly as a fucking retard have not walked in his shoes where you have to pay for this stuff. Cut him some slack. He had been rattled badly, and I think 'they' prey on confusion and mistakes. They wore this guy down over time.

To some of you, this is an issue you're been aware of for days or a couple of weeks, but this has been a burden on Aaron for a lot longer. He make a mistake, but he's not a fucking retard. He knew the risks of free speech and he has consistently stood up for free speech anyway, and deserves more respect.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 01:57 PM (z36s0)

268 POKE.

POKE.

Nothing?

*pulls back fist*

Posted by: The Militant Left Wing at May 29, 2012 01:57 PM (NS2Mo)

269
Guess what CAC just posted about.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 29, 2012 01:58 PM (9Q7Nu)

270 More from my link @248



And Walker pissed him off. So did
Kimberlin, but Walker identified himself as a Yale-trained lawyer,
albeit one who was representing himself. Kimberlin made any number of
allegations–essentially, everything that was said about his side–issuing
death threats, harming business interests, summoning SWAT teams to the
home–was said by Kimberlin to have been done by Walker’s side.

The pair went back and forth, back and
forth, with Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally
asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a
judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and
whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but
mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil.


At one point, when Walker again
interrupted Kimberlin, an attorney who was “advising” Walker–i.e.,.
sitting in the coutroom, but not actually at Walker’s table, signaled to
the plaintiff that he ought to “zip it.” This process amused Kimberlin,
obviously.




Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 01:59 PM (X6akg)

271 @54
I am official afraid

Posted by: Say What? at May 29, 2012 01:59 PM (nNdEh)

272 Rush is continuing to ignore this. Turning him off now.

Rush jumped the shark with the Fluke thing. I don't even bother with him now (not with Dana Loesch on opposite him here).

Posted by: nickless at May 29, 2012 01:59 PM (MMC8r)

273 If that link that was provided from someone who attended is accurate, then the peace order was merely kept in place but Worthing got arrested because he didn't shut up.

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 02:00 PM (3LaGb)

274 255
I wouldn't be so quick to label this some kind of put-up job by a
corrupt or stupid judge. It's obvious that we don't know the facts here.


Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (QKKT0)

Context says its corrupt.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:00 PM (AWmfW)

275 CORNELIUS J. VAUGHEY is the judge

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 02:00 PM (3LaGb)

276 Posted by: pickles at May 29, 2012 01:53 PM (wUldG)

I was being facetious. Years ago there was a paleocon asswipe called Cedarford who used to troll around here and when called on his anti-semitism (as he frequently was) he would claim that he was merely anti-zionist. It became a running joke.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 02:00 PM (x2CNJ)

277
Very informative link, Y-not.

"Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil."

Conclusion: Walker is an idiot. In addition to pissing of the guy in the dress, the fact that Walker could not behave politely made him look like the kind of guy that Kimberlin said that he was.

P.S. I got bawled out by a judge late last Friday evening whenI raised my voice while cross examining a defendant. I immediately apologized to the court and continued in a more professional manner. I won and the defendant is in the custody of DOC now.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:01 PM (jUZRg)

278 clear and conclusory evidence that AW is a threat to BK? Wow, from alleged, unsubstantiated 3rd party death threats? It will be interesting to read the transcript. It sounds like AW's yale law degree wasn't that good.

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 02:02 PM (QxSug)

279 Is it at all possible to get this judge removed from the bench?

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at May 29, 2012 02:02 PM (GKqka)

280 I doubt very very much that Aaron mouthed off to the judge.

I think the judge may have interpreted Aaron's blog laying out the video and how it contradicts Brett's sworn statements as contemptuous, and also accepted the claims this coordinated harassment (which I find absurd and probably fabricated).

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:02 PM (z36s0)

281 When our rights to free speech on blogs is threatened individually, if we abandon each other to fend for ourselves, then we will be one by one bullied into silence; And there will be no more new media.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

uh hmm. well said.

now i would liek to discuss the NY internet speech legislation thing . anyone up on that?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:02 PM (TomZ9)

282 Cornelius? Who names their kid Cornelius anymore?


Posted by: Jimbo at May 29, 2012 02:02 PM (O3R/2)

283 " with Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally

asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a

judge?”"

Well shit. I stand corrected.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:03 PM (z36s0)

284 How did Kimberlin afford an attorney? And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 02:04 PM (MNbIC)

285 POKE.

POKE.

Nothing?

*pulls back fist*


Okay, but the end result of that would be, "The Militant Left Wing" would break their own hand.

Remember that. And don't be scared.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 29, 2012 02:04 PM (SB0V2)

286 And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free?

-----------------------------

I imagine Soros has a good many lawyers on his payroll.

Posted by: meekrob at May 29, 2012 02:05 PM (x2CNJ)

287 >>>Context says its corrupt.

No, not really. I've been in a number of these sorts of hearings, in this Court. It's not weird. Worthing/Walker lost his temper and blew up. It was inevitable. Had he kept his cool, he would have walked out fine.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 29, 2012 02:05 PM (KVOrU)

288 286 This.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 02:05 PM (6HIQG)

289 I can't stand any more of this.

Pass me that toad.

Posted by: creeper at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (gre5a)

290
How did Kimberlin afford an attorney? And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free
I have no facts (thus seperating myself from defamation and such) but I'd suspect that his his Charity may have something to do with this question.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (22rSN)

291 oh, I am glad that that blogger was there. From what I read at the original PO hearing, BK would veer all over the place and refuse to answer questions. If I were a litigator, I'd smack that down with objections as being non responsive as soon as it started instead of what happened.

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (QxSug)

292 Walrus Rex states:

"Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil."
That doesn't sound very good. Was walker attempting to get infomation included , would that be typical if He was trying but the Judge wouldn't allow it?

just asking for the general gist of how a trial type thing goes in a peace order.

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (TomZ9)

293 Could be worse. I could be the chicken.

Posted by: The Toad at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (x2CNJ)

294 287 I agree but this guy has gotten him fired and is essentially ruining his life.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (6HIQG)

295
When our rights to free speech on blogs is
threatened individually, if we abandon each other to fend for ourselves,
then we will be one by one bullied into silence; And there will be no
more new media.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

Yes , you should have the right to free speech without being connected and affording a team of lawyers.
This is a war on freedom from the left , again.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:06 PM (AWmfW)

296
Judges are pretty damn powerfull. I was watching one on court tv once tell a person he was not to be within so many feet of the other party. The guy answered that he already lives within that distance from the person. The judges answer was, well then you'll have to move.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 29, 2012 02:07 PM (cWkOB)

297 Kimberlin didn't have a lawyer, he had an "advisor" sitting with the public who was able to whisper into his ear, apparently.

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 02:07 PM (3LaGb)

298 According to the blogger that I linked above, Kimberlin produced NO evidence of the death threats.

Posted by: Tami at May 29, 2012 02:07 PM (X6akg)

299 Yeah, you don't piss off a judge. My ex (who had an attorney) *argued* with the judge over the figures being used to calculate for support/alimony, and the judge went with the higher number.

Posted by: Junshin at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (VWlmO)

300 >>>“what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a
judge?”


Again, not to make light of a very serious situation, but one of the reason we lawyers make fun of Yale Law School is because, despite the school's vaunted reputation, it produces absolutely terrible TRIAL attorneys. Including the sorts of people who think it's a smart idea brag about their law school pedigree at a Peace Order hearing in order to establish credibility as a pro se defendant. Seriously now...ugh, I'm shaking my head at the unforced errors here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (KVOrU)

301 It would appear that the hearing today was on granting a "Peace Order" and the terms of the order shall be enforced until Oct 15th 2012. If this is like an order of protection in my state the bar is very low in granting the petitioner the order. How he got locked up is a mystery that likely was caused by iritating the judge enough he throws you in for contempt. Or not giving a wide enough berth to Kimberlan on the court house steps thus breaking the new order.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (tf9Ne)

302 forget 292,
paragraphs ran into one another it makes no sense.

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (TomZ9)

303 The more I think about it, having his target arrested in court may not work out the way BK wants. Because it will draw more attention and though AW's in jail for the afternoon, this whole episode pushes it out of a purely legal environment and into more light... and I cannot imagine BK's tactics will enjoy more light. I cannot imagine how frustrated AW must be. This sucks, but maybe can be turned against BK in spectacular fashion. I hope..

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (Mrdk1)

304 This is the Maryland Statute on Criminal Harassment Note section b

3-803. Harassment.


(a) Prohibited.- A
person may not follow another in or about a public place or maliciously
engage in a course of conduct that alarms or seriously annoys the
other:
(1) with the intent to harass, alarm, or annoy the other;
(2) after receiving a reasonable warning or request to stop by or on behalf of the other; and
(3) without a legal purpose.
(b)
Exception.- This section does not apply to a peaceable activity
intended to express a political view or provide information to others.
(c)
Penalty.- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor
and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 90 days or a
fine not exceeding $500 or both.
http://tinyurl.com/6uoen6f


Posted by: tmitsss at May 29, 2012 02:08 PM (V4Pya)

305 the thing is is that BK contacted AW's work place. eyes roll, what a way to get logrolled

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 02:09 PM (QxSug)

306 If a court has personal jurisdiction over a party, it can make an order restraining that party's conduct no matter where it might occur. (Otherwise, the party could just cross a state line and violate an injunction with impunity.)


When you say personal jurisdiction, do you mean something like a person on probation or parole? Because I completely understand that.


I have a case in now where a California federal judge restrained my client, a company, from carrying out certain business transactions in China. It's a valid order.


That I understand as well because it's a federal judge. But could a California state judge issue issue that same order?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 29, 2012 02:10 PM (JxMoP)

307 Let me get this straight. A person, whom some might describe as beneath contempt, is able to ruin the lives of numerous productive, honest citizens by using the US justice system as his private tool. And nothing can be done about it.

OK, I get it now.

Posted by: jjmurphy at May 29, 2012 02:10 PM (xjEAl)

308 P.S. I got bawled out by a judge late last Friday evening whenI raised my voice while cross examining a defendant. I immediately apologized to the court and continued in a more professional manner. I won and the defendant is in the custody of DOC now.

I once very nearly got thrown in jail for contemptbecause the lawyer I was assisting (I was running the presentation equipment) asked me to bring her back a bottle of water during a break. She neglected to tell me that the judge had specifically prohibited any food or drink of any kind, including bottles of water, from being brought into court. I bop out, get a bottle from the machine, head back in and started getting yelled at from the bench the second I entered the courtroom. The Bitch for whom I worked sat there and didn't say a word btw. I basically did the "I am sorry, Your Honor, you are right, Your Honor, I am terribly sorry, Your Honor, may I have the Court's permission to leave the room to dispose of this, Your Honor?" thing. I was later told by defense counsel that the only reason I didn't get hauled off was because it was very clear from my shocked deer expression that I had no idea that he had given that directive.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 02:10 PM (VtjlW)

309 "what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?"

That no matter how incompetently or abusively a particular court is being run, I should withhold my tongue but visualize the ringmaster slipping and faceplanting in a pile of poop to maintain sanity? I think it was letter D on the exam.

Posted by: Things I'd Liketosay, Esq. at May 29, 2012 02:11 PM (eHIJJ)

310 willow @303

It did to me, willow.

Posted by: creeper at May 29, 2012 02:11 PM (gre5a)

311 287 I agree but this guy has gotten him fired and is essentially ruining his life.

Maybe so, but it's not about THAT. It's about the facts before the Court in this specific issue. I fully understand how hard it is to set aside emotions at a time like this, but that's why you fucking need a lawyer to do it for you. He won't be emotionally invested in this case the way you personally are.

Otherwise you get shit like this. I hope Kimberlin gets hit by a bolt of lightning, I think he's the scum of the earth, but man...it's 100% obvious to me that Walker brought this fully on himself. Were it any other pro se defendant I would be much more sympathetic. But he's a LAWYER. If anyone should know, it's him. He's literally the only class of person who doesn't really have an excuse.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 29, 2012 02:11 PM (KVOrU)

312 284
How did Kimberlin afford an attorney? And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free?


Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 02:04 PM (MNbIC)

[Waves and chuckles evilly]

Posted by: George "Capo" Soros at May 29, 2012 02:11 PM (RD7QR)

313 Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (pAlYe)
Exactly. The #emoprogs *want* us to all be isolated and telling each individual attacked "Sorry kid, you're on your own, we have an election to win" does their work at least as well( and I say better)as using some energy to support those attacked.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 29, 2012 02:12 PM (CQ1cz)

314 311 I agree,perhaps he can't afford an attorney.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 02:12 PM (6HIQG)

315 seems kimberlin projetcs his behavior on his victims,
kimberlins past could not be brought up? why? is the scope to large for a peace order proccess?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:12 PM (TomZ9)

316 and now, what lawyer would want to help AW or anyone else against BK? The progression of events: help someone, get sued, get fired, get arrested, ouch

Posted by: joeindc44 says come on, guys, no tough questions at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (QxSug)

317 Something I've never understood: why did Patterico and his crew focus so damn much on Kimberlin to begin with? Nobody in this country cares about him, even now, so why is a conservative blogger going to jail over this?

Kimberlin's tactics are that of a scumbag, sure, but they wouldn't have worked had we just ignored his ass from the get go. Which, as I understand it, was a perfectly legitimate option, was it not? I might be wrong about that, but this story didn't matter to me until it went to court.

Walker's arrest is still bullshit, don't get me wrong.



Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (Tlix5)

318 Rush is continuing to ignore this. Turning him off now.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (UOM4


I strongly recommend Tammy Bruce over the internet as an alternative between 1-3. She hasn't talked about Kimberlin yet, but she did last week, but just got through slapping the snot out of Peggy Costanza Noonan for her witless performance in front of douchetool Charlie Rose (what could go wrong) urging Romney to disassociate himself from the "freak show" of the Tea Party. Peggy would rather have McCain 2 for a campaign since she's still so fucking butthurt for being completely wrong on the JEF. Being wrong all the time appears to be adding even more lines to Peggy's face; well, that and the booze.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (7Ph7Z)

319 >>>When you say personal jurisdiction, do you mean something like a person
on probation or parole? Because I completely understand that.


No, "personal jurisdiction" is a legal term that means the Court has the right to hail the defendant before it in a case. Most states (including Maryland), via so-called "long arm statutes," have extended the bases for personal jurisdiction to the Constitutional limit, which is to say that if you are interacting with the forum state in any number of commonsense ways (i.e. if you live there you're subject to general jurisdiction on any and all matters, if you live elsewhere but are conducting business there or passing through, you're subject to jd on issues relating to those actions), the state can have personal jurisdiction over a claim involving you. You can file suit there, or be hailed into court as a defendant.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (KVOrU)

320 Is anyone else having trouble getting to Stacey McCain's blog? It won't load at all. I'm wondering if it just got slammed, or if maybe a DDoS attack is going on.

Posted by: NukemHill at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (7WLzC)

321
That doesn't sound very good. Was walker attempting to get infomation included , would that be typical if He was trying but the Judge wouldn't allow it?

just asking for the general gist of how a trial type thing goes in a peace order.

****

It's hard to say what happened. Extrapolating from Y-not's link, the judge was magnificently ignorant of common internet issues. For example, the judge seemed to believe that Twitter postings were messages from Walker directly to Kimberlin and the judge was shocked to find 500,000 Goggle searches of something Kimberlin-related and appeared to think that Walker searched Kimberlin 500,000 times. That would indeed be infuriating but 1) stupid judges are a fact of life and 2) the proper response is to educate the judge, not denigrate him. I'm speculating here but Walker may not have realized the depth of the judge's ignorance regarding internet issues so during his presentation made no effort to insure that the judge understood what was going on. When he realized his mistake, he may have become frustrated. He's apparenlty is in the cooler now with time to mediate on a better trial strategy.

There is nothing particularly unusual, by the way, in conducting highly emotional hearings. Many divorces, for example, are extremely hotly contested and highly emotionally charged. It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (jUZRg)

322 Ah. Just got it up.

Wait--

Posted by: NukemHill at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (7WLzC)

323 Alex, did the bitch actually set you up?

Posted by: Mama AJ on phone at May 29, 2012 02:19 PM (XdlcF)

324 IIRC, the first rule of law is: "A client and his money are soon parted."

Posted by: cthulhu at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (kaalw)

325 SecDef to USNA grads: Get ready for the Pacific

Memo to SecDef: Events have a way of determining themselves what areas are important, no matter what you think!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (05RcU)

326 Completely OT, but I can't believe I forgot to pimp myself mention this:

The Axiom Report (theaxiomreport.com) is a new news/opinion site that is being kind enough let me write for them. If people actually give them money, they'll give me money.

Wait. Does that make me a "professional" blogger now?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (8y9MW)

327 Never represent yourself. The attorney yelled at
me for not respecting the system and told me my suffering was what it
likes to do to people who fail to show respect. "Pay me a bunch of money
and the system likes you. Don't, and it'll make your life hell."

It's a good thing we don't let lawyers become Congressmen or else the whole system would be a corrupt disaster.


Posted by: ResistWeMuch at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (bpONz)

This is more an indictement of the failings of our system ( A left over of monarchy in my opinion) than it is an indictment of someone representing themselves. People are in effect saying " Pay the corrupt system, or you'll be sorry!" While it may be true, the problem is that the system is corrupt, not that individuals are representing themselves.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (IEUSX)

328 Aaron , other than A Walker being asked for help from another person (a liberal )being harrassed by Kimberlin(not asked in a formal capacity as His atty )
and A Walker then being threatened for giving advice on where to go for help

from Kimberlin'
i think that is where the interest in kimberlin was statrted


?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:22 PM (TomZ9)

329 Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (Tlix5)

Aaron, you might want to read up on the details of the case before declaring it a nothingburger. When someone catches Kimberlin's eye and he start waging lawfare against them, ignoring it is no longer an option.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 02:22 PM (pAlYe)

330 325 Yeah,be ready for anything is the proper advice.

Posted by: Steevy at May 29, 2012 02:22 PM (6HIQG)

331
I couldn't open the Stacy McCain link, but I'm guessing Mr. Worthing brought up Kimberlin's past and the judge didn't want to hear about it, and then brought it up again, and was held in contempt. Why wouldn't the judge want to hear it? He/she probably thinks it's irrelevant to the question before him/ her: if I negligently run over Charles Manson's toe and hesues me, I can't use "but he's Charles Manson" as a defense to my own violation of the law unless it's an excuse recognized by the law. A pattern of frivolous suits might not be considered relevant either --the judge may want to consider whether thismight be one of the times the stopped clock is right. Also, while the record on Kimberlin is well-documented, I'm guessing if Worthing just started mentioning facts without documentation, the judge may have viewed it as hearsay, and, if Kimberlin denied the stories, he/ she would have to hear admissible evidence on the point, which, going back to the first reason, could be viewed as taking the issue far afield from what the judge thought the scope of the hearing should be.

Posted by: Bud Norton at May 29, 2012 02:23 PM (6cOMd)

332 Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (jUZRg)

This on more problem representing yourself , you know "too much" about the case to accept the Kafka-escue process.
It's not so much about justice as it is about the process. Process uber alles.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:23 PM (AWmfW)

333 I'll predict that if Mark Levin covers this (which I doubt), he won't have much to say in opposition of Walker being put in jail. I'll also predict he's out in 24 hours. Thirdly I'll predict he has a real crappy meal tonight.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 29, 2012 02:24 PM (cWkOB)

334 Alex, did the bitch actually set you up?

No, sheis pretty much the poster child for Entitled Bitch and simply thought rules didn't apply to her. Hell,on a separate occasionIhad to have a court officer go and tell her that no, ma'am, your assistant is not allowed to bring your lunch into the courtroom and she is not lying about that. She was sitting directly underneath a huge sign that said "NO FOOD OR DRINK IN THE COURTROOM" at the time. This is the same woman who screamed at me while on conference call with five other people about how it was my fault that the internet and video conferencing lines were down directly after telling her that the reason that everything was down was because a substantial portion of the northeast wasout due to a major cable being severed. I'm not kidding, she blamed that on me. Via screaming. In front of other people.

No words for how happy I am that I am out of that place. No words.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 02:25 PM (VtjlW)

335
. It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct. <<<<

Or who fail to sufficiently suck his wrinkled fucking ass. He sat there crowing about how stupid people are for posting on Twitter: "Don't they have anything better to do?"

Kimberlin is complaining about Walker's internet activity, here's a pile of some type of activity, this Yale brat is annoying, fuck it, I'll piss on him because I can't be bothered.

Fuck both of those cocksuckers.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 29, 2012 02:26 PM (U1kBg)

336 For example, the judge seemed to believe that Twitter postings were messages from Walker directly to Kimberlin and the judge was shocked to find 500,000 Goggle searches of something Kimberlin-related and appeared to think that Walker searched Kimberlin 500,000 times. That would indeed be infuriating but 1) stupid judges are a fact of life and 2) the proper response is to educate the judge, not denigrate him.

There is nothing particularly unusual, by the way, in conducting highly emotional hearings. Many divorces, for example, are extremely hotly contested and highly emotionally charged. It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct.
Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (jUZRg)

Ok , thank you. But Kimberlain has already won this round? ?

what about the earlier order that Aaron had won, ( spoken of by another commenter)? is that deleted?

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:27 PM (TomZ9)

337 This is more an indictement of the failings of our
system ( A left over of monarchy in my opinion) than it is an indictment
of someone representing themselves. People are in effect saying " Pay
the corrupt system, or you'll be sorry!" While it may be true, the
problem is that the system is corrupt, not that individuals are
representing themselves.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (IEUSX)
You're lawyer hasn't got the same personal conflict with the judge. Makes it emotionally easier for him.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:28 PM (AWmfW)

338 >>280 I doubt very very much that Aaron mouthed off to the judge.


According to that account, early on AW made a big point of touting his Yale Law degree... something that the judge noted and threw back at him later. Sounds like AW kept interrupting, both the Convicted Bomber and the Judge, and kept veering off topic.

Unfortunately, the person writing the acct I linked left early so he doesn't know what precipitated AW's arrest.

Posted by: Y-not despises the SCOAMF at May 29, 2012 02:29 PM (5H6zj)

339 284 How did Kimberlin afford an attorney? And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free?

Well, let's see. Montgomery County is a ball hair away from DC, where you can find any number of hanger-ons to the Par-Tayy! in power. You know, people who like Mao Christmas bulbs and shit.

Posted by: Meerkat Manor at May 29, 2012 02:29 PM (Iq9Ow)

340 Whoops. Just saw 283

Posted by: Y-not despises the SCOAMF at May 29, 2012 02:30 PM (5H6zj)

341
No words for how happy I am that I am out of that place. No words.

****

You know how people think that attorneys are assholes? Well, there's a reason for that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:30 PM (jUZRg)

342 A laymen's guide for appearing in court.

1. Be prepared
2. Be respectful
3. Be polite
4. Do not let yourself be provoked to anger(by anyone present or anything said or done)
5. Present the facts as you know them and have proof of
6. Do not argue, explain
7. Know your material(your evidence, the law, your witnesses)
8. Know your adversary(their case, their weaknesses, their character)
9. Accept that you may lose or not get what you think is fair.(know the flaws in YOUR case.) The law is not about fairness.
10. Be patient
11. The judge is more powerful than any captain ever strode a ship at sea. Their judgment may not be final but it will take effect when they say so. You are not there to convince them of the fairness of your position but that the law says your position is the correct one according to the law. (as interpreted by the judge). Disobey them at your peril.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 02:31 PM (CP+yl)

343 OK, you lawyers, especially familiar with the Maryland procedure...why can't someone file an amicus brief to educate this judge?

Posted by: Albie Damned at May 29, 2012 02:31 PM (Yhu4q)

344 Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (Tlix5)


As far as I can tell, Breitbart et al. stumbled upon Kimberlin while investigating Weiner. When they realized what sort of person the #emoprogs were funding he became a story in his own right. At which time he decided to make anyone who mentioned him *very* sorry they'd ever heard of him, and Walker got pulled into it from a chance dealing with one of them.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 29, 2012 02:31 PM (CQ1cz)

345 Ahhh, the beauty of the American justice system... Easily half the judges in the US need to be shit canned and replaced.


I expect lawyers to be dirty a large % of the time because they have a profit motive pushing them to win at all costs. But judges should be above this. I don't expect Solomon-like wisdom, but we can certainly do without so many outright fools, and Leftist ideologues.

Posted by: Reactionary at May 29, 2012 02:32 PM (xUM1Q)

346

This on more problem representing yourself , you know "too much" about the case to accept the Kafka-escue process.
It's not so much about justice as it is about the process. Process uber alles.


****

Right. First you need to knwo the infield fly rule before you can play baseball with the big boys.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:32 PM (jUZRg)

347 alex, sorry dear, glad you're out of there.

tea, (not chamomile)

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:33 PM (TomZ9)

348

what about the earlier order that Aaron had won, ( spoken of by another commenter)? is that deleted?

****

I don't know. One hopes that time will clarify the issues.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:33 PM (jUZRg)

349 y-not,

"According to that account, early on AW made a big point [...]"

I think I was mistaken about this (and corrected myself quickly on this). Aaron is probably extremely frustrated, and he's not a trial lawyer. He badly needed a lawyer at his side.

Imagine facing someone like Brett who has gotten your wife fired, you fired, and tried to frame you, and having to behave yourself perfectly. It's a challenge and I know some here could probably handle it, but I couldn't and I guess Aaron may have fallen short too. It's a shame. Aaron needs a lawyer and I think we need to help him get one.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:33 PM (z36s0)

350 thank you walrus ,for the patience shown me.
i'll now leave you alone .

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2012 02:36 PM (TomZ9)

351 I hear that, but in the end he might end up
paying more if he had just gotten an attorney in the first place. Hey
bottom line, if your gonna get into a pissing match with someone, you
better have the tools to win

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (05RcU)

We cannot match the megaphone of the MFM, but we should try nevertheless. In the meantime, we can develop our own tools, since we don't have access to theirs. BK represented himself did he not?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:38 PM (IEUSX)

352 Yep, Dustin. I hadn't see the comment that followed.

Posted by: Y-not despises the SCOAMF at May 29, 2012 02:38 PM (5H6zj)

353 Case number: 0601SP005392012

Which is under appeal now.

The judge in the final peace order hearing ruled that Aaron's behavior in blogging about Brett was not harassment, as Brett did not have to read it.

Aaron brought a good trial lawyer to that one, though, so things played out differently.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:39 PM (z36s0)

354 We cannot match the megaphone of the MFM, but we should try nevertheless. In the meantime, we can develop our own tools, since we don't have access to theirs. BK represented himself did he not?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:38 PM (IEUSX)

Yes that is true, but you should make sure you have those weapons you need before you go into battle, not after the fact

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 02:40 PM (05RcU)

355 Imagine facing someone like Brett who has gotten
your wife fired, you fired, and tried to frame you, and having to behave
yourself perfectly. It's a challenge and I know some here could
probably handle it, but I couldn't and I guess Aaron may have fallen
short too. It's a shame. Aaron needs a lawyer and I think we need to
help him get one.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:33 PM (z36s0)
I think few people could handle it. But most are surprised as we knew Aaron is a lawyer and should know about the game better than the rest of us.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:40 PM (AWmfW)

356 My 353 was in reference to someone who asked about the peace order that Aaron won previously.

It is not about this one. This one was filed very soon after Aaron won the last one. And if Aaron ever somehow gets this one fixed, another will be filed quickly after. Forever.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:40 PM (z36s0)

357 "Aaron is a lawyer and should know about the game better than the rest of us.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum"

Yeah, he knew better than to go into this without a lawyer, but he's just too close to this to understand. He knows he's right at a moral level.

And he's not a trial lawyer. He works on stuff like health information privacy and contracts. If anything, his law degree is a burden as he didn't respect his own limitations and the court threw in his face that he is a lawyer.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:42 PM (z36s0)

358 356 probably no. I would suspect that even the dimmest judge would be able to see a pattern if BK keeps filing peace orders. It would be of help of Aaron got control of himself and began to apply what he was supposed to have learned in Law School.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 02:43 PM (CP+yl)

359 Worthington is a bit of a hothead and he should know better than to handle this kind of thing on his own. However, that said, judges are supposed to be discerning and wise, not pompous and rigidly procedural.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 29, 2012 02:44 PM (r4wIV)

360 And to be clear, I stand with Aaron and have great respect for his standing up for freedom of speech. He knows that if he doesn't, they will let him go and just do this to someone else.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:44 PM (z36s0)

361 360
And to be clear, I stand with Aaron and have great respect for his
standing up for freedom of speech. He knows that if he doesn't, they
will let him go and just do this to someone else.



Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:44 PM (z36s0)

Yes , this isn't just about Aaron.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:47 PM (AWmfW)

362 Except this particular case Was about Aaron, and he shouldn't have let hubris get in the way of him making his very good case, with an attorney.

Posted by: thunderb at May 29, 2012 02:50 PM (Dnbau)

363 " I would suspect that even the dimmest judge would be able to see a pattern if BK keeps filing peace orders."

You'd be surprised. Brett has filed a large number of repetitive legal actions.

The court doesn't seem to take that into account. Maybe they would at some point? I have no faith in these guys to do their jobs.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:50 PM (z36s0)

364 Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 29, 2012 02:31 PM (CQ1cz)

Thanks. He just seems like very small fries to me. I'm not saying we "can't chew gum and walk at the same time" but if we're going to fight a battle, there should be some benefit to it. I just don't see what we stood to gain by focusing on Kimberlin for even a second. Leftist scumbag, sure, but it's not like we're in short supply of those, and we can find some who are less likely to react insanely.

It's like the Battle of Palau (sorry, reading a great book on MacArthur, who criticized fighting there): why are we fighting for this particular island when we could have bypassed it? I know nobody wants to say this was our mistake, especially since morally and legally we're in the right, but tactically, this looks like a mistake to me. But that's my two cents, and as Mætenloch, maybe he was going to bring the fight to us no matter what? I think Patterico's (the blog) focus on Kimberlin put him in a better position to do that, though.

Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (Tlix5)

365
I wouldn't be so quick to label this some kind of put-up job by a
corrupt or stupid judge. It's obvious that we don't know the facts here.


Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (QKKT0)
I just read an account from someone who was there. Apparently Walker had a problem common to many lawyers. He liked the sound of his own voice too much.
Not sure this was decided wrongly based on what was presented.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (IEUSX)

366 "Some days there just aren't enough rocks." -- Forrest Gump

"Or lampposts and rope." -- Cobalt Shiva

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at May 29, 2012 02:56 PM (1iauC)

367 Many people trip themselves up when faced with a lawsuit. It's an emotional shock. It's even worse if one is innocent of wrongdoing OR thought one was innocent of wrongdoing.

Protective orders and debt suits can be wringing. Many wind up being forced to represent themselves due to lack of finances or fail to show up for the hearings and have default judgments entered against them.

They then defy the court and lawfully mandated requests by the plaintiff feeling that since they didn't do anything wrong their rights can't be violated. But that's wrong because the court has made a legal judgment and you either comply, appeal or go to jail. If a person can get a judge to issue an order then one has to obey it under penalty of prison. Regardless of the stature/status of the plaintiff and his case. It's a winner take all sort of thing once the judgement of who's at fault has been made.

Never let a civil suit be won by default. Even if the facts are correct at least put in an appearance. Sometimes even the fact that you will appear for the hearing will put the plaintiff's off so that they will withdraw the complaint.

The law can look very bad to an outsider who is not familiar with it's workings. Keep in mind the law is not there to provide justice or to be fair. The law is to provide process and mete out judgments dictated by laws written by elected officers of the State. The law is to provide everyone the opportunity for redress of grievance not to guarantee outcomes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 02:56 PM (CP+yl)

368 Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Posted by: Meerkat Manor at May 29, 2012 02:57 PM (Iq9Ow)

369 I just read an account from someone who was there.
Apparently Walker had a problem common to many lawyers. He liked the
sound of his own voice too much. Not sure this was decided wrongly based on what was presented.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (IEUSX)

I see it more like he was too emotionally invested to make the right tactical decision. He's morally right , but that's not how the process works.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:57 PM (AWmfW)

370 Brett Kimberlin won this round but this whole thing started before the blog burst that shined the light on his past. Let's see what happens now that everyone knows who he is and what he does. He learned the frivolous law suit in prison and, so far, it has worked for him on the outside. They really should make him the poster child for "loser pays" legislation.

Posted by: George at May 29, 2012 02:57 PM (1+zuG)

371 I have no faith in these guys to do their jobs.

Oh, they're doing their jobs just fine. The question is who are they really working for.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 29, 2012 02:59 PM (2jktF)

372 I just don't see what we stood to gain by focusing on Kimberlin for
even a second. Leftist scumbag, sure, but it's not like we're in short
supply of those, and we can find some who are less likely to react
insanely.



Victory through attrition, bro. Take out bloggers, one by one, setting up a narrative, and discrediting as many as possible. The left knows that the right wing isn't shackled by the MSM anymore. So, they are bringing the fight to the alternative media, which just happens to be people who aren't multi-billion dollar corporations.

They are taking out the baseline, the legs, the foundation, and attempting to frighten every last little guy out there into shutting up.

I, for one, don't think that ANYONE is worth sacrificing to the wolves just to maintain a mythical big picture. THIS is the fight and it always has been. It starts in the mud and goes all the way to the top. And quite frankly, if we can't be bothered to stand up for the rights of our countrymen, and insist on cleaning up corruption in the legal system, this country isn't worth saving from Obama.

Posted by: grognard at May 29, 2012 03:00 PM (NS2Mo)

373 Oh, they're doing their jobs just fine. The question is who are they really working for.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 29, 2012 02:59 PM (2jktF)

Bingo.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 03:00 PM (AWmfW)

374 This should become a test case for freedom of speech.
If it reached the Supremes, it would be a 9-0 case.
Make no mistake, this judge is out of bounds.

Posted by: Test Case at May 29, 2012 03:02 PM (yuWLN)

375 I once very nearly got thrown in jail for
contemptbecause the lawyer I was assisting (I was running the
presentation equipment) asked me to bring her back a bottle of water
during a break. She neglected to tell me that the judge had specifically
prohibited any food or drink of any kind, including bottles of water,
from being brought into court. I bop out, get a bottle from the machine,
head back in and started getting yelled at from the bench the second I
entered the courtroom. The Bitch for whom I worked sat there and didn't
say a word btw. I basically did the "I am sorry, Your Honor, you are
right, Your Honor, I am terribly sorry, Your Honor, may I have the
Court's permission to leave the room to dispose of this, Your Honor?"
thing. I was later told by defense counsel that the only reason I didn't
get hauled off was because it was very clear from my shocked deer
expression that I had no idea that he had given that directive.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 02:10 PM (VtjlW)

The legal system didn't quite make the transition from Monarchy when the Rest of our nation did. Ever wonder why a Citizen of the United States should have to "Plead" in court?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 03:03 PM (IEUSX)

376 Victory through attrition, bro. Take out bloggers,
one by one, setting up a narrative, and discrediting as many as
possible. The left knows that the right wing isn't shackled by the MSM
anymore. So, they are bringing the fight to the alternative media, which
just happens to be people who aren't multi-billion dollar corporations.

They
are taking out the baseline, the legs, the foundation, and attempting
to frighten every last little guy out there into shutting up.

I,
for one, don't think that ANYONE is worth sacrificing to the wolves just
to maintain a mythical big picture. THIS is the fight and it always has
been. It starts in the mud and goes all the way to the top. And quite
frankly, if we can't be bothered to stand up for the rights of our
countrymen, and insist on cleaning up corruption in the legal system,
this country isn't worth saving from Obama.


Posted by: grognard at May 29, 2012 03:00 PM (NS2Mo)

This is what it's all about.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 03:04 PM (AWmfW)

377 " I just don't see what we stood to gain by focusing on Kimberlin for even a second."

Funny, this is exactly what Kimberlin warned Patterico. What do we gain? Just ignore Kimberlin.

"I have filed over a hundred lawsuits and another one will be no sweat
for me. On the other hand, it will cost you a lot of time and money and
for what."

Direct quote, but I never learned how to hyperlink here properly so you'll have to google it.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 03:06 PM (z36s0)

378 This on more problem representing yourself , you know "too much" about the case to accept the Kafka-escue process.It's not so much about justice as it is about the process. Process uber alles.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:23 PM (AWmfW)

And here is the gist of it I think. I have long denounced the existence of "process nazis" in our court, but let's face it. Our courts ARE more concerned with the process than they are with successful results.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 03:07 PM (IEUSX)

379 and let me tell you for what: FOR THE TRUTH.

If that's not what a blogger is doing, then I think the 'for what?' question applies really well.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 03:08 PM (z36s0)

380 "I, for one, don't think that ANYONE is worth sacrificing to the wolves just to maintain a mythical big picture. THIS is the fight and it always has been. It starts in the mud and goes all the way to the top. And quite frankly, if we can't be bothered to stand up for the rights of our countrymen, and insist on cleaning up corruption in the legal system, this country isn't worth saving from Obama."


Thisx eleventy! This is an attempt to thwart the rise of "new media" andsilence *everyone* who dissents. If the #emoprogs are allowed to succeed hereWalker will only be the first. He is meant to be a warning to *all* small fries what can happen if you cross the "wrong" person and if we remain silent we become complicit in our own doom.

That sounds a little more dramatic than I was trying for, but I don't know how else to put it.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 29, 2012 03:10 PM (CQ1cz)

381 363

I hear what you're saying but we really don't know the facts behind all those other cases. I'm referring to the situation if BK continues to file against Aaron.

BK faces a situation of diminishing returns here. The more cases he files the more his real goals become revealed. He has relied on the cases being separated by time, jurisdiction, court and judge. If he begins a pattern of behavior that is discernible (and granted there's no way to know what the threshold would be) to the current judge then he will find himself meeting resistance.

Judges will not try to second guess another judges decision unless that's the point of the case before them. Entering objections to a peace order because other peace orders have been granted or not have no bearing unless it can be shown that they fit a pattern of harassment and have been successful due to false testimony.

From what I've read, this hasn't been done yet. The cases are spread about and at differing times and for differing reasons. A judge will not deny an order that appears reasonable just because someone has been shown to be litigious. False testimony will go right to the judges heart. It's the foundation of the law. Proof is difficult to gather and expensive.

BK's past crimes aren't of legal bearing unless proven to be so. Aaron may not be the one to finally tip the scales but at least now BK's reputation and past have now come under scrutiny. I think we'll find that for all the bluster, he'll either decide on his own or be advised to back off for a while as the spotlight isn't worth the targets being nullified.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 03:11 PM (CP+yl)

382 "BK's past crimes aren't of legal bearing unless proven to be so"

The only way they really apply is that Brett doesn't think we can talk about them. If you tell the truth about a convicted bomber, that it's the truth is relevant. And of course, if you challenge the claims of a convicted perjurer, that's pretty relevant.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 03:14 PM (z36s0)

383 Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (Tlix5)

The other part of this is that yes, this may be a "squirrel" but we *can't* ignore every one. I'm convinced that Martin/Zimmerman was a "squirrel", at least at some level, but were we to let a man be killed because his was a "squirrel" situation? The left *knows* we are wired to protect and yes, they'll use that against us, but sometimes you have toaccept that you have chinks that can be exploited but are integral to the design.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 29, 2012 03:15 PM (CQ1cz)

384 I see it more like he was too emotionally
invested to make the right tactical decision. He's morally right , but
that's not how the process works.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:57 PM (AWmfW)

It reminds me of one of the so-called greatest put downs in legal history. A Judge notices a lawyer is fuming and the judge asks him "Sir, are you trying to show contempt for this court? " No your Honor. " He replies. " I'm doing my best to conceal it. "

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 03:15 PM (IEUSX)

385 And that kind of snark'll get you thrown in the poky for a while.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 03:19 PM (CP+yl)

386 "Law" isn't about justice. It isn't about fairness, or equity, or even equal access or "the process."

It's about transferring money from non-lawyers to lawyers.

I know that will piss lawyers off, but the process of the law is the gradual transfer of all wealth to lawyers.

They make the rules, they enforce the rules, they arbitrate the process, and if you don't pay them when they focus their attention on you, your ass is grass.

They get paid a significant percentage of the process, and they've managed to insert themselves in most significant transactions in one way or another.

That doesn't make all lawyers rich, but that's the way the money's going. And if you get dragged into court, several thousand more dollars had better go that way, or You Will Be Punished.

Walker may have done something dumb. Maybe more than once. I don't see how Kimberlin wasn't dumber, but that's not the point.

Yes, practically, on an individual level, You Had Better Have A Lawyer. Societally that's a cancer, and it's one of many things killing us.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 29, 2012 03:19 PM (bxiXv)

387 Exactly so. Problem is the solution is unthinkable.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 03:21 PM (CP+yl)

388 It's not a justice system, it's a legal system.

Posted by: Lawyers Inc. at May 29, 2012 03:24 PM (wFSX3)

389 Take a lesson, morons. This is why it's always dumb to represent yourself in court. ALWAYS.

Ego got in the way of intellect here. It's too bad. Too damn bad for all of us.

Posted by: deafjustice at May 29, 2012 03:34 PM (lHn6+)

390 Well I'm not sure this Aaron guy is that smart. He acted like a child.

Posted by: Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 03:57 PM (4BzOb)

391 I get the feeling some of these bloggers are covering up some stuff that doesn't show them in a good light.This judge seemed sharp to me. And don't give me this stuff he does't know anything about twitter, etc, not relavant.

Posted by: Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 04:01 PM (4BzOb)

392 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 29, 2012 03:19 PM (bxiXv)




Perhaps you missed that Aaron Walker is a practicing lawyer.

And on a side note, while I don't practice trial court law, if I find you as my adversary sometime (unlikely), I'll happily take your money with that attitude. That whole "Rule of Law" thingy we like so much here in the United States isn't exactly painting by the numbers. If you think it is and actually buy into the sadly misguided stuff you wrote there, I would strongly suggest you pick up any book by William Blackstone and read it from cover to cover.

Are there rats in the legal profession and politics? Absolutely. Same as in every other aspect of life. There are also quality lawyers out there who will save your ass when you're absolutely dead-to-rights guilty of whatever you've been accused of doing. Have fun shitting on lawyers in public buddy. It'll serve you well someday.....

Posted by: Wut at May 29, 2012 04:16 PM (lHn6+)

393 Well I'm not ... that smart.

Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 03:57 PM (4BzOb)

Posted by: A suddenly bitter and cynical Adriane at May 29, 2012 04:16 PM (NgwbY)

394 I'm a Dentist and I always extract my own teeth.

Posted by: California at May 29, 2012 04:16 PM (5bM5x)

395 I ...
don't ... know anything about twitter ...


Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 04:01 PM (4BzOb)

Posted by: A suddenly bitter and cynical Adriane at May 29, 2012 04:20 PM (NgwbY)

396 Have fun shitting on lawyers in public buddy. It'll serve you well someday.....
Posted by: Wut at May 29, 2012 04:16 PM (lHn6+)


I totally expected that response. Most unsurprising thing in the world.

Single-payer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 29, 2012 04:24 PM (bxiXv)

397
Why doesn't Walker/Worthing and all others harrassedfile Peace Orders against Kimberlin?

Posted by: phxjay at May 29, 2012 04:24 PM (giVWr)

398 "Perhaps you missed that Aaron Walker is a practicing lawyer. "
Seems he needs a little more practice.

Posted by: DensityDuck at May 29, 2012 04:40 PM (kZVsz)

399 We still don't have good information on what happened. The "latest rumors" are that the arrest was unrelated to anything Walker said in court (probably), and had to do with a complaint filed by Kimberlin on Friday.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 29, 2012 04:44 PM (bxiXv)

400 save your ass when you're absolutely dead-to-rights guilty of whatever you've been accused of doing.

There will be a reckoning.

Posted by: DaveA at May 29, 2012 04:56 PM (NqmTy)

401 And he was waaring my Ha-vaad tie! Like, oh sure, like he went to Haa-vahd!

Posted by: Louis Winthorpe III at May 29, 2012 05:21 PM (KhioZ)

402
Kimberlin gamed the system again. Not only did he get his Peace Order confirmed, but late last week he moved to get another warrant issued so that he could get Walker arrested today.
Case No 5D00279004

Warrant issued on May 27,2012 for Failure To Obey a Peace Order

Pretty clear what happened. Kimberlin knows how these things work.
Filing a complaint for violation of a peace order cause a warrant to be
issued with virtually no review, a rubber stamp process. Kimberlin
apparently initiated that process to get a warrant issued at the last
minute, over the weekend, so no one would know. No doubt he informed the sheriff that
Walker would be in court today.


Walker’s detention will be reviewed shortly by a commissioner. He
should be released thereafter, assuming the commissioner in not another
retired dementia case sitting for a competent person.

Posted by: novaculus at May 29, 2012 05:21 PM (Pk7nY)

403 "If you can't keep up, don't step up - you'll die."

Posted by: Riddick at May 29, 2012 05:28 PM (KhioZ)

404 novaculus... thank you for that post.

After all these people and their families have been through, harassment, losing jobs, homes, savings .... it's a wonder that they are even able to be coherent, let alone appear in court, blog, etc.

Posted by: Carolyn at May 29, 2012 05:34 PM (9h1Fe)

405 So, Ace, where *is* the GOP in all this?

Posted by: Horatius at May 29, 2012 05:39 PM (Rg/D7)

406 I'm pretty good at Twitter, asking Robert Stacy McCain about that. Hah!

Posted by: Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 06:20 PM (4BzOb)

407
If what Mervign, DLOTS said is true, then Walker got arrested because of his presence in court, so the Judge had actual personal jurisidiction and could enforce a warrant directly.
As for Walker being a lawyer, I would say that since he is reported to haveworkedon stuff like health information privacy and contracts, he likely had zero court experience, and his malpractice insurance, in the words of an office lawyer I met, "merely require that he know where the court houses were so that he not accidentally stumble into one." Unless he sat for and passed the bar, he is not an attorney and cannot "attorn" for someone. Interrupting the judge, or "stepping on teh judge", is bad, as they are even more enamored of the sound of their voices than the lawyers.
If Kimberlin really is making a pattern and practice of using the courts to silence political speech, this publicity will only work to his disadvantage, as his pattern and practice are revealed and marshalled against him.

Posted by: Windy Wilson at May 29, 2012 06:30 PM (MSc/n)

408 I'm pretty... ask... ...acy... about that.
Posted by: Coward Robert Ford at May 29, 2012 06:20 PM

Posted by: dowd i. fied at May 29, 2012 06:53 PM (nrW1y)

409 never,never,never,never,never,never,never,never,never never,never,never ,never appear before a judge without representation, unless you are requesting a continuence to secure an attorney!!!! Only crazy loons do that ie; Bundy,Kimberlin ect!1111 Judges are the last vestage ofthe aristocracy in our government you know powdered wigs and all that. Sheesh do I have to tell yous guys everything!1

Posted by: sonnyspats at May 29, 2012 10:35 PM (kRIyO)






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