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'Duping Delight'
Liar in Chief
[It is] the near irresistible thrill some people feel in taking a risk and getting away with it. Sometimes it includes contempt for the target who is being so ruthlessly and successfully exploited. It is hard to contain duping delight; those who feel it want to share their accomplishments with others, seeking admiration for their exploits.The Pamela Meyer TED lecture is below the fold, followed by video of duping delight examples.
"How to Spot a Liar." The references to duping delight are at 11:45 and 14:55. (I can't do anything about the blank spaces the TED embed adds.)
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I have one brother who enjoys lying....he lies about things that don't even matter...just for the enjoyment of it. ....So I know first hand about this thing called the 'Duping Delight'
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:09 PM (dHMPi)
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I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
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"If at some point you got lied to? It's because you agreed to get lied to. Here's another one about lying. Lying is a cooperative act."
Not always true, but I agree.
Not always true, but I agree.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:12 PM (Iyg03)
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Obama is a SCOAMF. And a liar too.
Posted by: skippy at May 19, 2012 05:12 PM (zXhtZ)
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I think if you really care about someone, you can become willing to overlook the signs. You "agree" to be lied to. In a way.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Iyg03)
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Interesting subject.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (jucos)
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Interesting concept, duping delight.
Wheatie, I have a young 'un in my family who'd sooner lie to you and catch hell for it than tell the truth in the first place, a puzzler for sure, since because of it they lose their cell phone privileges and lots of other things kids don't seem to be able to do without these days.
Wheatie, I have a young 'un in my family who'd sooner lie to you and catch hell for it than tell the truth in the first place, a puzzler for sure, since because of it they lose their cell phone privileges and lots of other things kids don't seem to be able to do without these days.
Posted by: Theresa at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Io9iG)
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I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
He likes that even better. He knows he's lying. We know he's lying. He knows that we know he's lying. And he still gets away with it, over and over. This is what Barky REALLY loves.
Anyone can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even saying it's a lie. It's a truly severe demonstration of power while forcing total submission by the audience in the process. This is what the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.
I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries. It's bad, bad stuff.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
He likes that even better. He knows he's lying. We know he's lying. He knows that we know he's lying. And he still gets away with it, over and over. This is what Barky REALLY loves.
Anyone can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even saying it's a lie. It's a truly severe demonstration of power while forcing total submission by the audience in the process. This is what the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.
I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries. It's bad, bad stuff.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2012 05:15 PM (X3lox)
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I worked for a guy in the printing industry - he owned the quick printer I worked at, and was the lead sales rep, although he didn't sell all that much, just service the larger accounts - who would commonly lie when he didn't have to. I think he got turned on by it.
He'd also order us (CSRs and sales staff) to lie to the customers, and would get really mad when we wouldn't. After a while, all the customers knew they had to ask us to get a straight answer. No one would believe a word he said, and they were openly contemptuous of him.
Needless to say, he's tottering on the brink of bankruptcy now.
He'd also order us (CSRs and sales staff) to lie to the customers, and would get really mad when we wouldn't. After a while, all the customers knew they had to ask us to get a straight answer. No one would believe a word he said, and they were openly contemptuous of him.
Needless to say, he's tottering on the brink of bankruptcy now.
Posted by: Josef K. at May 19, 2012 05:17 PM (7+pP9)
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Of course Obama delights in pulling one over on a gullible public. Look no further than his recently uncovered self-supplied bio where he flaunts being from Kenya. Because being just another black guy from Chicago is not special enough, not flashy enough, not extraordinary enough for the exotic Sleazy Preezy.
Posted by: mama winger at May 19, 2012 05:17 PM (P6QsQ)
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2 I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
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Yup. Same thing with mine. ....The thing about Liars is, apparently they are too stupid to realize that there will come a day, when they will need people to believe them...about something.
But they have so thoroughly destroyed their credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare momentwhen they are telling the truth.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
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Yup. Same thing with mine. ....The thing about Liars is, apparently they are too stupid to realize that there will come a day, when they will need people to believe them...about something.
But they have so thoroughly destroyed their credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare momentwhen they are telling the truth.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:18 PM (dHMPi)
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But they have so thoroughly destroyed their
credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare
momentwhen they are telling the truth.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:18 PM (dHMPi)
Every now and then he'll get my sister to believe him until I point out how ridiculous his lie is.
She's waaay nicer than I am.
credibility, that no one believes them....even during the rare
momentwhen they are telling the truth.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:18 PM (dHMPi)
Every now and then he'll get my sister to believe him until I point out how ridiculous his lie is.
She's waaay nicer than I am.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:21 PM (X6akg)
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I bet there were plenty of those smiles going on during his Coronation oath.
Posted by: t-bird at May 19, 2012 05:21 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Meremortal at May 19, 2012 05:21 PM (Usk3+)
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So, Joe Wilson vindicated?
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2012 05:22 PM (4q5tP)
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Wheatie, I have a young 'un in my family who'd sooner lie to you and catch hell for it than tell the truth in the first place, a puzzler for sure, since because of it they lose their cell phone privileges and lots of other things kids don't seem to be able to do without these days.
Posted by: Theresa at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Io9iG)
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These days....the media-entertainment complex has put forth the idea that 'Lying is Cool'. ....So it is especially tough to teach your kids that lying is just wrong.
I think that the old parable of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' is still a good example, though. ....My parents drummed it into us. ....It just didn't 'take' with one of us, the brother who gets a kick out of fooling others.
Posted by: Theresa at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Io9iG)
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These days....the media-entertainment complex has put forth the idea that 'Lying is Cool'. ....So it is especially tough to teach your kids that lying is just wrong.
I think that the old parable of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' is still a good example, though. ....My parents drummed it into us. ....It just didn't 'take' with one of us, the brother who gets a kick out of fooling others.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:23 PM (dHMPi)
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rdbrewer (#3, 5:12):
Wait, so Homer Simpson was telling the truth when he said "It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie, and one to listen." I thought that was a lie, too.
Wait, so Homer Simpson was telling the truth when he said "It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie, and one to listen." I thought that was a lie, too.
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at May 19, 2012 05:24 PM (e9Jho)
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If you watch the duping delight examples video, you see more telltale signs:
Sharon Bialek hides her upper lip and flashes a smile, but if you look closely, you also see she's standing next to Gloria Allred, a dead giveaway of a liar.
If you watch the duping delight examples video, you see more telltale signs:
Sharon Bialek hides her upper lip and flashes a smile, but if you look closely, you also see she's standing next to Gloria Allred, a dead giveaway of a liar.
Posted by: Z Ryan at May 19, 2012 05:24 PM (tsC/8)
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15 So, Joe Wilson vindicated?
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2012 05:22 PM (4q5tP)
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Yes. Many times over, now.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2012 05:22 PM (4q5tP)
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Yes. Many times over, now.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:25 PM (dHMPi)
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[It is] the near irresistible thrill some people feel in taking a risk
and getting away with it. Sometimes it includes contempt for the target
who is being so ruthlessly and successfully exploited. It is hard to
contain duping delight; those who feel it want to share their
accomplishments with others, seeking admiration for their exploits.
*****
It's why criminals return to the scene of the crime. It's why theyconfess brag to someone else.
and getting away with it. Sometimes it includes contempt for the target
who is being so ruthlessly and successfully exploited. It is hard to
contain duping delight; those who feel it want to share their
accomplishments with others, seeking admiration for their exploits.
*****
It's why criminals return to the scene of the crime. It's why they
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:28 PM (piMMO)
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That is one crappy player. You can't drag the slider to where you want until the video has buffered up.
That is one crappy player. You can't drag the slider to where you want until the video has buffered up.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 05:28 PM (jTDjB)
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5 I think if you really care about someone, you can become willing to overlook the signs. You "agree" to be lied to.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Iyg03)
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Or it you'love the way they lie'? ....There is a song about that, isn't there.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Iyg03)
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Or it you'love the way they lie'? ....There is a song about that, isn't there.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:28 PM (dHMPi)
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Someday Obama will write a book and tell of all he got away with but it won't take that long. He will start leaking details about what fools we have all been as soon as he hits the lecture circuit.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:29 PM (piMMO)
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I'm reporting this post to OFA and MMFA!
Posted by: Attack Squad at May 19, 2012 05:29 PM (ur8o6)
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Watch the press conference where Obama is taking questions on whether it was a cheap shot to say Romney would not have given the order to get OBL. The expression on Barrack's face is pure duping delight.
Posted by: JSchuler at May 19, 2012 05:30 PM (SmZQt)
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Clinton had that.
Everytime. Every single time, he said something vaguely conservative, Clinton would tilt his face down a bit and give a little smile.
I never could figure out how he fooled so many people because his "tell" was so obvious.
With Obama I think it's a little different, not that he's fooling you, it's more like he knows you know he's lying but that he knows he won't be called on it. Cuz then you'd be a raaaaaccccciiiissstttt, and he wins anyway.
Everytime. Every single time, he said something vaguely conservative, Clinton would tilt his face down a bit and give a little smile.
I never could figure out how he fooled so many people because his "tell" was so obvious.
With Obama I think it's a little different, not that he's fooling you, it's more like he knows you know he's lying but that he knows he won't be called on it. Cuz then you'd be a raaaaaccccciiiissstttt, and he wins anyway.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2012 05:30 PM (G9qZk)
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My nephew has always and all ways been a liar. Just like his daddy.
Posted by: Barry's Drunk Uncle at May 19, 2012 05:32 PM (c3mby)
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Why else does Obama smile so much??
Other than he knows that every day he has "fundamentally changed" America for the worse. And that makes him happy.
Other than he knows that every day he has "fundamentally changed" America for the worse. And that makes him happy.
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2012 05:33 PM (neKzn)
Posted by: House at May 19, 2012 05:33 PM (ZgBZU)
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That would entail looking at the SCOAMT's sanctimonious face. Thanks, I'll pass.
Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 05:34 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: House at May 19, 2012 05:34 PM (yhYn1)
Posted by: House at May 19, 2012 05:35 PM (vanqS)
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I only got about 20% into the vid before it locked up and stopped buffering, which is probably due to heavy traffic. I'll check it again later.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2012 05:37 PM (/9E6Z)
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If I had a son, he would dupe like the old man.
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at May 19, 2012 05:39 PM (Sh42X)
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I'll check it again later.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)
YOU LIE!!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)
YOU LIE!!
Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (YYyqq)
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Obama has a couple of tells when he lies. He looks down at his hands, not at the teleprompter. Then he takes a breath and looks up and speaks. It's like he's gathering himself before he lets a big lie go. Then, as soon as he utters it, he gets a small smile on his face, no matter how serious the lie.
Posted by: PJ at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (DQHjw)
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I know the SCOAMT has said his ears are off limits.
Has he ever said anything about that huge mole on his face? Or his enormous scalp scar?
God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people feel for him for all this time.
Has he ever said anything about that huge mole on his face? Or his enormous scalp scar?
God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people feel for him for all this time.
Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (g7D8V)
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One doesn't have to look for tale-tale signs that he is lying. Every time he opens his mouth a vomits out a lie.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 05:42 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: House at May 19, 2012 05:42 PM (DlaLh)
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Watch the press conference where Obama is taking questions on whether it
was a cheap shot to say Romney would not have given the order to get
OBL.
JSchuler, this one? At 2:16. http://tinyurl.com/7nvrmy7
was a cheap shot to say Romney would not have given the order to get
OBL.
JSchuler, this one? At 2:16. http://tinyurl.com/7nvrmy7
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 19, 2012 05:42 PM (Iyg03)
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Hmmm, so when I am polite/passive and don't call someone on being so full of shit its spilling out their mouth I am reinforcing their destructive habit? Oh well, its not my job to save them. I will speak up when family or friend is going to money/time/emotional energy when they believe a lie; but just to let a liar know they aren't fooling me? Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.
Posted by: Palerider at May 19, 2012 05:44 PM (vL0Nv)
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Was Pamela Meyer born in Kenya too?
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 19, 2012 05:44 PM (MQc8e)
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I read the title as Dubbing Delight and thought this asshole president went on a late night show and did a cheesy rap song.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 19, 2012 05:45 PM (JDIKC)
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Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.
Same here. I just walk away and make a mental note to avoid any interactions with that person completely in the future.
Same here. I just walk away and make a mental note to avoid any interactions with that person completely in the future.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 05:46 PM (AWrMW)
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Augh. "going to INVEST money/time....." I hate when I fail basic proof reading.
Posted by: Palerider at May 19, 2012 05:47 PM (vL0Nv)
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Maybe that is why Jimmy Carter's smiles at seemingly inappropriate moments were so creepy to me. He would be smiling while describing some very serious things. I believed at the time he was just one of those people who smiles when he's nervous or stressed as I once knew someone else like that.
Posted by: crosspatch at May 19, 2012 05:47 PM (ZbLJZ)
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"I am a complete zero, and yet they've made me their king! No background, no education, no experience. Nothing. It's awesome!"
Posted by: Why Obama's Smiling at May 19, 2012 05:48 PM (FcR7P)
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hey-oh, Purple Avenger, someone recently said it would be nice if we had a DIY advice thread on Sundays or whenever.
Along time ago you did a post on wiring an old house and it generated a lot of tips and ideas. Would be worth considering to do another post like once in a while.
hey-oh, Purple Avenger, someone recently said it would be nice if we had a DIY advice thread on Sundays or whenever.
Along time ago you did a post on wiring an old house and it generated a lot of tips and ideas. Would be worth considering to do another post like once in a while.
Posted by: soothsayer at May 19, 2012 05:56 PM (DlaLh)
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I can't believe Obama has the cajones to tell the EU to chill on the austerity measures.
WTF does he know about a "strong growth agenda"?
WTF does he know about a "strong growth agenda"?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 05:56 PM (piMMO)
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.....Or his enormous scalp scar?
God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people fell for him for all this time.
Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (g7D8V)
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That enormous scalp scar is weird, isn't it? .....Ifa Republican president had a big, visable, unexplained scar on their head like that....the leftist media would be talking about it...every. damn. day.
60 Minutes would be doing specials about it. ...."What is the President's Scar From?" ...."Is He Fit To Lead?"
God, he's so weird. I can't believe that people fell for him for all this time.
Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 05:41 PM (g7D8V)
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That enormous scalp scar is weird, isn't it? .....Ifa Republican president had a big, visable, unexplained scar on their head like that....the leftist media would be talking about it...every. damn. day.
60 Minutes would be doing specials about it. ...."What is the President's Scar From?" ...."Is He Fit To Lead?"
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 05:57 PM (dHMPi)
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45 Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.I wish I had a just a nickle for every time so joker at the VFW or AVets told me they made a combat jump in Vietnam with the 101st AB.
Would have paid my bar bill for a few years.
Would have paid my bar bill for a few years.
Posted by: GMB at May 19, 2012 05:59 PM (kPe9l)
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When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 19, 2012 06:00 PM (r4wIV)
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Preakness going to start soon on NBC for those who care...
Posted by: Palandine at May 19, 2012 06:01 PM (g7D8V)
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When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.
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Just thinking of that can still make me fly into a rage.
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Just thinking of that can still make me fly into a rage.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:02 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: soothsayer at May 19, 2012 06:03 PM (dVBif)
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Chess thread up
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:03 PM (piMMO)
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There is absolutely NOTHING I can contribute to a chess thread, other than astonishment.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:04 PM (piMMO)
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NDH....I can contribute LESS than you.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 06:05 PM (X6akg)
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this word 'contribute' ...it confuses me
Posted by: soothsayer at May 19, 2012 06:08 PM (NLH1M)
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45 Nope, not going to spend my energy calling them out.Same here. I just walk away and make a mental note to avoid any interactions with that person completely in the future.
Which is probably why so many people refuse to acknowledge that they ever knew Barky.
They've learned their lesson, and aren't willing to invest any more time or energy giving the guy a second thought.
Pretty telling, that.....
Which is probably why so many people refuse to acknowledge that they ever knew Barky.
They've learned their lesson, and aren't willing to invest any more time or energy giving the guy a second thought.
Pretty telling, that.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 19, 2012 06:11 PM (0xqzf)
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When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.
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How badly does Hillary want the White House in 2016 for her to work for him after that? Party loyalty my ass.
When you're really cool you scratch your face and flip people off on national television.
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How badly does Hillary want the White House in 2016 for her to work for him after that? Party loyalty my ass.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 06:12 PM (jTDjB)
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NDH....I can contribute LESS than you.
*****
If we wait about 5 minutes it will be completely OT anyway.
*****
If we wait about 5 minutes it will be completely OT anyway.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:13 PM (piMMO)
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I like chess pie.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 06:14 PM (dHMPi)
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I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:15 PM (piMMO)
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Robert Browning
My first thought was, he lied in every word,
That hoary cripple, with malicious eye
Askance to watch the working of his lie
On mine, and mouth scarce able to afford
Suppression of the glee, that pursed and scored
Its edge, at one more victim gained thereby.
My first thought was, he lied in every word,
That hoary cripple, with malicious eye
Askance to watch the working of his lie
On mine, and mouth scarce able to afford
Suppression of the glee, that pursed and scored
Its edge, at one more victim gained thereby.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at May 19, 2012 06:19 PM (QTHTd)
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I wish I had a just a nickle for every time so joker at the VFW or AVets
told me they made a combat jump in Vietnam with the 101st AB.
Ask'em if they know what a Capewell or PLF is. If they don't, then you know they're full of shit.
told me they made a combat jump in Vietnam with the 101st AB.
Ask'em if they know what a Capewell or PLF is. If they don't, then you know they're full of shit.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 06:21 PM (AWrMW)
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It's hard to use this technique on Obama. He doesn't have many tells because he never tells the truth.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2012 06:22 PM (ebPtk)
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 06:24 PM (jTDjB)
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I am surprised no one has mentioned Obama's biggest tell. Just listen for the word "unprecedented" and you know he is lying.
Michelle: Where have you been Barry.
Barky: I just had a meeting with the new French president and came to an unprecedented understanding regarding our cheese trade.
Michelle: Bitch, please!
"Let me be perfectly clear" is what he says when he wants to rub it in your face.
Michelle: Where have you been Barry.
Barky: I just had a meeting with the new French president and came to an unprecedented understanding regarding our cheese trade.
Michelle: Bitch, please!
"Let me be perfectly clear" is what he says when he wants to rub it in your face.
Posted by: Voluble at May 19, 2012 06:25 PM (c8WV/)
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"I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."
I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."
I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 19, 2012 06:25 PM (GZitp)
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Duuuude, that horse just won by a neck in the last, like, two seconds. What a race.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley
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I take that back. I think it was the last half-second. Tense.
Duuuude, that horse just won by a neck in the last, like, two seconds. What a race.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley
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I take that back. I think it was the last half-second. Tense.
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 19, 2012 06:29 PM (jTDjB)
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The small bottles of Coke are stronger than the large bottles of Coke, according to my late great Uncle. Of course he was wrong.
Posted by: Ronster at May 19, 2012 06:30 PM (mHC3R)
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I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew
throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big
fuck you.
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My guess is that sugar is now less expensive than corn syrup.
I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew
throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big
fuck you.
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My guess is that sugar is now less expensive than corn syrup.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:30 PM (piMMO)
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It's hard to use this technique on Obama. He doesn't have many tells because he never tells the truth.
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there is no baseline.
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there is no baseline.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:32 PM (piMMO)
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#41 rdbrewer That's the one. When I first saw it he looked like the cat that had just swallowed the canary.
Posted by: JSchuler at May 19, 2012 06:35 PM (SmZQt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
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I used to call it the "get over" culture, as in "getting over on" someone, or manipulating, tricking, or beating them in some fashion.
I noticed it was becoming a youth lifestyle to lie (even for no reason), try to con people, etc., probably because it gives someone pathetic some minor feeling of power and control.
I noticed it was becoming a youth lifestyle to lie (even for no reason), try to con people, etc., probably because it gives someone pathetic some minor feeling of power and control.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 19, 2012 06:41 PM (bxiXv)
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The problem with sticking Obama in this category is that he actually believes his own bullshit. It's not the same thing. I just haven't seen the same look when when he's bullshitting someone. If anything instead of getting a kick out of other people believing his own bullshit, he's apoplectic that people don't believe his bullshit.
Now Joe Biden on the other hand...
Now Joe Biden on the other hand...
Posted by: AD at May 19, 2012 06:46 PM (msapW)
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VERY noticeable now: http://bit.ly/WvEt
Posted by: Niedermeyer's
Yea, well, obvious of course. But I'm going through some vids of his, and it seems he deadens his delivery of things that would cause him to lie.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's
Yea, well, obvious of course. But I'm going through some vids of his, and it seems he deadens his delivery of things that would cause him to lie.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2012 06:49 PM (ebPtk)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 19, 2012 06:49 PM (O3R/2)
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There is absolutely NOTHING I can contribute to a chess thread, other than astonishment.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:04 PM (piMMO)
I am surprised it can stay on topic. Hell, we can't keep the book thread on topic and everyone can contribute to that.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 19, 2012 06:04 PM (piMMO)
I am surprised it can stay on topic. Hell, we can't keep the book thread on topic and everyone can contribute to that.
Posted by: Vic at May 19, 2012 06:52 PM (YdQQY)
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77 Look for the "tells"....
Yup. He acts like a punk....and people voted for him anyway.
I've noticed that he raises his eyebrows and tilts his head when he is spewing forth a particularlybold-faced whopper. ....But then, as many have said....he lies about everything all the time, and as you mentioned, NDH....there is no baseline, for determining if he is ever telling the truth.
Yup. He acts like a punk....and people voted for him anyway.
I've noticed that he raises his eyebrows and tilts his head when he is spewing forth a particularlybold-faced whopper. ....But then, as many have said....he lies about everything all the time, and as you mentioned, NDH....there is no baseline, for determining if he is ever telling the truth.
Posted by: wheatie at May 19, 2012 06:52 PM (dHMPi)
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O/T, but my other favorite blog is MichellesMirror, and a commenter just said that she see references to SCOMF, and always wondered what it meant, so she went to google. Evidently Google does not credit Ace, but they do say what it stands for.
Posted by: Chilling the most at May 19, 2012 06:54 PM (6IV8T)
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I like how Pepsi is putting real sugar in thier Pepsi and Mt. Dew throwback stuff. It's like someone is giving all the nanny staters a big fuck you.
I'm in Tucson and am able to get Coke Hecho en Mexico where they use sugar, and in bottle too. A great treat.
I'm in Tucson and am able to get Coke Hecho en Mexico where they use sugar, and in bottle too. A great treat.
Posted by: BishopWash at May 19, 2012 06:55 PM (hqKrm)
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Today is Armed Forces Day. Bless those that keep us safe.
Posted by: Ronster at May 19, 2012 06:56 PM (mHC3R)
Posted by: Jimbo at May 19, 2012 06:57 PM (O3R/2)
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"My guess is that sugar is now less expensive than corn syrup."
Its pretty close these days. Mexican coca cola has always had real cane sugar in it, and its better.
What always gives me the creeps with President Obama are his dead eyes. There's no life to them, almost no expression whatsoever. I really do think the man is clinically insane. Functional, but insane.
Its pretty close these days. Mexican coca cola has always had real cane sugar in it, and its better.
What always gives me the creeps with President Obama are his dead eyes. There's no life to them, almost no expression whatsoever. I really do think the man is clinically insane. Functional, but insane.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 19, 2012 07:02 PM (r4wIV)
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How me know when Lizzy 'Liawatha' Warren is lying ???
Her lips move....
Come to think of it, much truth with every Democrat I see...
Her lips move....
Come to think of it, much truth with every Democrat I see...
Posted by: Chief Fullovbull at May 19, 2012 07:08 PM (Bxm/r)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 19, 2012 07:16 PM (vhwRj)
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at May 19, 2012 07:20 PM (7W3wI)
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Ok.. first of all.. there is no way I could play a game of poker like that. I would be so freaked out by the amount of money...my body language would give me away.
My ex husband was the biggest liar I have ever met. SCOAMF reminds me of him. Sociopath.
I have all kinds of body language/how to tell a liar books.. use to help me when I was in sales.
My ex husband was the biggest liar I have ever met. SCOAMF reminds me of him. Sociopath.
I have all kinds of body language/how to tell a liar books.. use to help me when I was in sales.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 19, 2012 07:23 PM (DGIjM)
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I'll Have Another won another one!
Posted by: JustMe at May 19, 2012 07:36 PM (0hDIC)
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When I did a tour on recruiting for the Navy, occasionally some kid would say 'You're lying to get me to join the Navy'. I'd reply 'Kid, if you are stupid enough to believe a lie, I don't want you in my Navy. Join the Army. They need stupid guys'. OK, before everybody gets their dander up, as a Seabee I served around all branches and respected them all. Even drank with them. And that ain't no lie.
Posted by: EROWMER at May 19, 2012 07:37 PM (sIm3i)
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I call his "tell" his Urkel Face. Did I do dat????
Posted by: MathMom at May 19, 2012 07:38 PM (N1hJz)
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Trust your instincts Luke, you know when somebody is lying to you despite the statistics. Statistics of the Dark Side, Unemployment, Favorable Ratings, Fuel Costs, Bernanke is Good, Tim Geitner is Good, Arab Spring Good, Socialism Good, Government Health Care
Good, Abortions All Good, Behavioral Modifications Good , See all the goodness...
Good, Abortions All Good, Behavioral Modifications Good , See all the goodness...
Posted by: clemenza at May 19, 2012 07:41 PM (Epz9+)
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EROWMER,
"OK, before everybody gets their dander up, as a Seabee I served around all branches and respected them all..."
Even the Coast Guard?
EROWMER,
"OK, before everybody gets their dander up, as a Seabee I served around all branches and respected them all..."
Even the Coast Guard?
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at May 19, 2012 07:41 PM (ZETiK)
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The coasties get into some shit with regularity dealing with the drug runners and such. They've also had vessels sent into war zones to backup the Navy
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 07:49 PM (AWrMW)
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A good cigar, a good scotch, a good game of poker.
Much duping delight will transpire.
Much duping delight will transpire.
Posted by: DoverPro at May 19, 2012 08:00 PM (wN82N)
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The coasties get into some shit with regularity dealing with the drug runners and such. They've also had vessels sent into war zones to backup the Navy
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 07:49 PM (AWrMW)
You gotta respect a service whose unofficial motto is "You have go out. You don't have to come back"
The coasties get into some shit with regularity dealing with the drug runners and such. They've also had vessels sent into war zones to backup the Navy
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 07:49 PM (AWrMW)
You gotta respect a service whose unofficial motto is "You have go out. You don't have to come back"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2012 08:02 PM (Rhie+)
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Look, there's no need to beat around the bush: Obama's a psychopath.
Lying for kicks is a cardinal psychopathic trait.
Fortunately, it does not well end for most psychopaths and it will not end well for Obama.
Lying for kicks is a cardinal psychopathic trait.
Fortunately, it does not well end for most psychopaths and it will not end well for Obama.
Posted by: JB at May 19, 2012 08:09 PM (xVcWj)
Posted by: sTevo at May 19, 2012 08:20 PM (VMcEw)
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I can barely tolerate liars..... like I can't tolerate devils' argument argue-ers'.... arguing for the sake of arguing... my brothers used to do this a lot
Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 19, 2012 08:27 PM (Mrdk1)
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>>I ought a 12 oz bottle of coke yesterday.... a GLASS bottle.
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."
The Home Depot stores here have 12 oz glass bottles in the coolers next to the contractor checkouts with a sign calling it Mexican Coca Cola
...and I'm in Ohio
I think it was about $2 but I don't even care. Now I'm giddy about drinking it."
The Home Depot stores here have 12 oz glass bottles in the coolers next to the contractor checkouts with a sign calling it Mexican Coca Cola
...and I'm in Ohio
Posted by: Albie Damned at May 19, 2012 08:35 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: klerg at May 19, 2012 08:45 PM (B60j2)
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I have a cousin who is a complete pathological lair. The guys lies even when the truth would be more favorable to him. He's also a total criminal and would rob anybody or anything. He even robbed the Boy Scouts aluminum can drive stash.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 08:50 PM (AWrMW)
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Geez ....Ted Talks...aka Sapling Foundation. Talk about deception...consider the source. What she says is nothing new. Let's not cite leftist media outlets OK?
Posted by: jacke at May 19, 2012 09:00 PM (5Cwv4)
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Home run RD Brewer!!!! Great post!
Posted by: dri at May 19, 2012 09:02 PM (O0sWl)
Posted by: SarahW at May 19, 2012 09:08 PM (LYwCh)
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An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned.
The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website.
The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.
The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website.
The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 19, 2012 09:13 PM (e8kgV)
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i find a lot of cops are pathological liars and really entire burocracies are long-term super pathological liars. If you know that then its ok, but..,
Posted by: on deathrow for wrongful thinking at May 19, 2012 09:25 PM (/Axrz)
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An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American
audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill
Meh, its been going on for decades already.
The best propaganda is almost completely true, but with only small elements omitted. In terms of the gross lies the Obama administration has been hawking, some quality propaganda would result in a significant upgrade in truth percentages.
An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American
audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill
Meh, its been going on for decades already.
The best propaganda is almost completely true, but with only small elements omitted. In terms of the gross lies the Obama administration has been hawking, some quality propaganda would result in a significant upgrade in truth percentages.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 09:27 PM (AWrMW)
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Obama's not a psychopath. He's a high-functioning sociopath. /
Posted by: andycanuck at May 19, 2012 09:31 PM (FTuxU)
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The narcissism sociopathology is essentially untreatable too.
There's some behavioral training techniques that try to get the narcissist to a point where they can recognize a situations where they need to fake empathy and normal response, but they don't actually feel it. Its still all an act.
There's some behavioral training techniques that try to get the narcissist to a point where they can recognize a situations where they need to fake empathy and normal response, but they don't actually feel it. Its still all an act.
Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 19, 2012 09:40 PM (AWrMW)
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I hear Barry Bonds had his own version, "doping delight."
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 19, 2012 09:57 PM (1X/a4)
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"Liar in Chief." Well, that's one way to put it. Andnow that many voters are reaching the same conclusion,
Obama's already begun to blame them. Now
I wonder how that might turn out ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt
Obama's already begun to blame them. Now
I wonder how that might turn out ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt
Posted by: ombdz at May 19, 2012 10:00 PM (2DpoY)
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Purple Avenger: exactly, its like psychopaths. You can get them to mimic ordinary people and function in society, but you can't fix them any more than you can "fix" a deaf person by teaching them sign language. They are irreparably damaged, and in a way far worse than deafness.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 19, 2012 10:01 PM (r4wIV)
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He doesn't lie. It's those others who make "fact checking errors."
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at May 19, 2012 11:19 PM (PH+2B)
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My little sister, the youngest in our family stayed out of the family troubles, more or less, by flying under the radar screen and being inoffensive and really cute. The few times she got into trouble, she lied and lied and lied and lay down in her room and cried until our folks went in to her and soothed her and made her feel better. She never, ever confessed anything, and she always got away with every transgression. Our parents rewarded her lying by letting her off the hook whenever she was in trouble.
I was the only pretty consistent truth teller in our family, and it never got me anything but grief. We were a very troubled "perfect" family, and I was always in trouble for surfacing one or another of our problems which always had to be denied and covered up at all cost. If I surfaced a problem, I got blamed for "causing" it.
As the years went by, and we grew up, my little sister lied more and more. She would call me on the phone and tell me longwinded stories that I knew could not be, and were not, true.
Sadly, my sister, a heavy drinker, and on several liver-damaging meds for rheumatoid arthritis, began to experience liver problems, and she eventually died at 55 years of age. Many of them seemed focussed on getting back at the kids she grew up with and went through school with, who I guess she thought never treated her right.
Our relationship had deteriorated due toher lying,her drinking, and alsoher growing,disturbing fascination with evil and obsession with all kinds of sexual behavior. We had not been communicating and I did not know how ill she was since she lived several states away from me.
When she died, her husband and son blamed me for not keeping up with her, and they still do.I did visit her toward the end, but got very little time to spend with her, as her son arrived, and he hates me terribly, so I had to leave.
I don't thinkher familyrealizes that so much of what she told them about her past was lies. Or maybe they don't even care. Isuspect thatshe told them a lot of lies about me, too.
There is no way I can ever explain this history to my brother-in-law and nephew.I believe thatit would be cruel to try, and so I will not attempt to re-establish our relationship.This is the lasting damage that chronic liars, especially those in troubled families,do. What a mess.
My little sister, the youngest in our family stayed out of the family troubles, more or less, by flying under the radar screen and being inoffensive and really cute. The few times she got into trouble, she lied and lied and lied and lay down in her room and cried until our folks went in to her and soothed her and made her feel better. She never, ever confessed anything, and she always got away with every transgression. Our parents rewarded her lying by letting her off the hook whenever she was in trouble.
I was the only pretty consistent truth teller in our family, and it never got me anything but grief. We were a very troubled "perfect" family, and I was always in trouble for surfacing one or another of our problems which always had to be denied and covered up at all cost. If I surfaced a problem, I got blamed for "causing" it.
As the years went by, and we grew up, my little sister lied more and more. She would call me on the phone and tell me longwinded stories that I knew could not be, and were not, true.
Sadly, my sister, a heavy drinker, and on several liver-damaging meds for rheumatoid arthritis, began to experience liver problems, and she eventually died at 55 years of age. Many of them seemed focussed on getting back at the kids she grew up with and went through school with, who I guess she thought never treated her right.
Our relationship had deteriorated due toher lying,her drinking, and alsoher growing,disturbing fascination with evil and obsession with all kinds of sexual behavior. We had not been communicating and I did not know how ill she was since she lived several states away from me.
When she died, her husband and son blamed me for not keeping up with her, and they still do.I did visit her toward the end, but got very little time to spend with her, as her son arrived, and he hates me terribly, so I had to leave.
I don't thinkher familyrealizes that so much of what she told them about her past was lies. Or maybe they don't even care. Isuspect thatshe told them a lot of lies about me, too.
There is no way I can ever explain this history to my brother-in-law and nephew.I believe thatit would be cruel to try, and so I will not attempt to re-establish our relationship.This is the lasting damage that chronic liars, especially those in troubled families,do. What a mess.
Posted by: elisheba at May 20, 2012 12:49 AM (54sKT)
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I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
He likes that even better. He knows he's lying. We know
he's lying. He knows that we know he's lying. And he still gets away
with it, over and over. This is what Barky REALLY loves.
Anyone
can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real
dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows
better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even
saying it's a lie. It's a truly severe demonstration of power while
forcing total submission by the audience in the process. This is what
the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.
I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries. It's bad, bad stuff.
Right - malignant narcissist - I didn't have the terminology until I read robin of berkeley:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nzqkxo
I have one like that too wheatie....problem is his lies are so stupid he's not 'duping' anyone.
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2012 05:11 PM (X6akg)
He likes that even better. He knows he's lying. We know
he's lying. He knows that we know he's lying. And he still gets away
with it, over and over. This is what Barky REALLY loves.
Anyone
can tell a good lie to someone who can't figure it out, but only a real
dick with total power can tell a transparent lie to someone who knows
better and still get away with it with the target demuring from even
saying it's a lie. It's a truly severe demonstration of power while
forcing total submission by the audience in the process. This is what
the sickest and most dangerous individuals do.
I've been saying this about Barky since the primaries. It's bad, bad stuff.
Right - malignant narcissist - I didn't have the terminology until I read robin of berkeley:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nzqkxo
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at May 20, 2012 05:49 AM (jKunv)
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@Ace: "It happens a lot"???
Ummm....NO....it happens almost every time he opens his mouth to speak to us...he lies because HE is a lie, everything about him is a lie, everything about his past is a lie, everything about his core beliefs is a lie, everything about barak hussien obama is bullshit, from the day he was born to the present, nothing in this mans world is real, therefore he wouldn't know the truth if were smacking him in the face...from his days in kenya, indonesia, hawaii, chitown, anywhere and everywhere...he's a walking, talking contradiction to truth...and what makes him even more dispicable is that he KNOWS it...its his ONLY defense against whats real in the world, he cannot be a part of the real world, so he's created this elaborate lie to live in order to feel welcome, apart of something he can never be a part of, never imagining he never will be...it is the sign of a compulsive liar, narcicists and sociopaths...he couldn't tell the truth if he had to...as there's simply no truth in or to him....and for the LSM (minitrue) its far too late to call him out without themselves being complicit in the lies he's told, 'if' they didn't want to be lied to, they wouldn't have been, so...(one of my core beliefs is people allow themselves to be treated exactly as they are treated, by everyone in their world) the bigger question now becomes why would they want to be lied to and why would they allow such a pathetic nothing to be the one lying to them, and by extension, us...there's going to come a reckoning, folks, there always is...and when it finally comes out that not only did he bald face lie to every man, woman and child in this country, WITH the medias assistance, there IS going to be hell to pay!
barak hussien obama is not only a narcicist, he's a sociopath...and this narcicistic sociopath has his fingers inches away from the nuclear armaments, when sociopaths are cuaght, they take the 'destroy everything' way out...theres no other option for them, to admit the truth is to reign down hell on your own head, to involve everyone else, for them, at least spreads the misery around and deflects the misery elsewhere!
IF he wins this next election, America as we've known it is through!!! There can be no going back without every person who voted for him admitting they allowed themselves to be lied to....aren't many who can accept that kind of guilt and learn from it, not anymore!
Ummm....NO....it happens almost every time he opens his mouth to speak to us...he lies because HE is a lie, everything about him is a lie, everything about his past is a lie, everything about his core beliefs is a lie, everything about barak hussien obama is bullshit, from the day he was born to the present, nothing in this mans world is real, therefore he wouldn't know the truth if were smacking him in the face...from his days in kenya, indonesia, hawaii, chitown, anywhere and everywhere...he's a walking, talking contradiction to truth...and what makes him even more dispicable is that he KNOWS it...its his ONLY defense against whats real in the world, he cannot be a part of the real world, so he's created this elaborate lie to live in order to feel welcome, apart of something he can never be a part of, never imagining he never will be...it is the sign of a compulsive liar, narcicists and sociopaths...he couldn't tell the truth if he had to...as there's simply no truth in or to him....and for the LSM (minitrue) its far too late to call him out without themselves being complicit in the lies he's told, 'if' they didn't want to be lied to, they wouldn't have been, so...(one of my core beliefs is people allow themselves to be treated exactly as they are treated, by everyone in their world) the bigger question now becomes why would they want to be lied to and why would they allow such a pathetic nothing to be the one lying to them, and by extension, us...there's going to come a reckoning, folks, there always is...and when it finally comes out that not only did he bald face lie to every man, woman and child in this country, WITH the medias assistance, there IS going to be hell to pay!
barak hussien obama is not only a narcicist, he's a sociopath...and this narcicistic sociopath has his fingers inches away from the nuclear armaments, when sociopaths are cuaght, they take the 'destroy everything' way out...theres no other option for them, to admit the truth is to reign down hell on your own head, to involve everyone else, for them, at least spreads the misery around and deflects the misery elsewhere!
IF he wins this next election, America as we've known it is through!!! There can be no going back without every person who voted for him admitting they allowed themselves to be lied to....aren't many who can accept that kind of guilt and learn from it, not anymore!
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