Update: Obama's Kenya-Born Bio Was Only Corrected in April 2007

What does all this mean? Don't know, but facts are facts.

According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.

Roger Simon, an author, talks to Jack Cashill, another author, about author bios.

Do authors get to view, correct, and rewrite their bios before being printed up?

Of course.

Posted by: Ace at 05:01 PM



Comments

1 Those damn birthers! How did they go back in time and change that?

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:02 PM (mFIbw)

2 I question the timing.

Posted by: slatz at May 17, 2012 05:02 PM (fBmrY)

3 C.O.V.E.R. U.P.


Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 05:02 PM (iCH2M)

4 MORMON! MORMON! MORMON!

Posted by: MFM at May 17, 2012 05:03 PM (HBU8E)

5 Hide but no seek!!!!! But you can't hide shit that has been posted on the 'nets.

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 05:03 PM (YdQQY)

6 It used to be that the Soviet Union was the only place where it was hard to predict the past.

Posted by: Cicero at May 17, 2012 05:03 PM (QKKT0)

7 birthermania

Posted by: newrouter at May 17, 2012 05:03 PM (xD4bD)

8
flux capacitor

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 17, 2012 05:03 PM (9XXaj)

9 Like Vic said. Even if we find out he was born in Kenya.... so what? He could be pictured with babies dangling on the end of a pitch fork and still get no reaction.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 17, 2012 05:04 PM (jucos)

10 This is just a distraction perpetrated by the well known elements of racist skirmishers.
We should all focus on how to make Israel happy.

Posted by: David Axeldoucherod at May 17, 2012 05:04 PM (/CSLJ)

11 PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!!

Posted by: The Wizard of Axelrod at May 17, 2012 05:04 PM (QKKT0)

12
You know why the Obamas and press mocked birthers for a long time, then got a lot of pressure on it and suddenly Obama did the simple task of releasing a birth certificate?
It's because the Born in Kenya thing was hurting him more than his opponents. He rode the issue for a while until it turned sour on him. It's still sour.

Posted by: Z Ryan at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (tsC/8)

13 Um, I guess all those birthers are just a bunch of ignorant wingnuts who are just racist.


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Posted by: moki at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (dZmFh)

14 Maybe he was born in both, like those boys from Brazil.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (9XXaj)

15 What does all of this mean? Don't know, but facts are facts.--ace





That's the kind of insightful analysis that keeps me coming back here.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (I/Xad)

16 Want to prove this is nothing. Open up all of obama's college and law school records, especially the financial and admissions one.

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (05RcU)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (8y9MW)

18 Like Vic said. Even if we find out he was born in Kenya.... so what? He could be pictured with babies dangling on the end of a pitch fork and still get no reaction


We are bored with this story and find it easier, on a lazy Thursday afternoon, to just label you as racist. Time for cocktails.

Posted by: MBM at May 17, 2012 05:06 PM (OWjjx)

19 These are not the bios you're looking for.

Posted by: Obi-Wan Baraka at May 17, 2012 05:06 PM (ykSKg)

20 It means that Barry has recently discovered that he is 1/32 American.

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (53Uku)

21 Don't know, but facts are facts.



Stubborn motherfuckers, too.

Posted by: John Adams at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (ykSKg)

22 BTW, a layoff of 25,000 people from Hewlett-Packard would be a disatser for Mitt Romney. Why? Because the CEO of HP right now is Romney protegee Meg Whitman, who cut her teeth in business at Bain Capital. It will be too easy to fit this into a narrative that Romney taught his Bain minions how to go into companies and produce higher valuations while maintaining their own lavish salaries by slashing their workforces. Byu the time Axelrod is done with this the voters will think Mitt Romney is running HP and personally firing all 25,000 people.

I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even floating this huge a layoff, knowing that her association with Romney will make it a political football.

Posted by: rockmom at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (NYnoe)

23 Let me join with two groups.

1) Breitbart is pointing out that, once again, their story is about the Media, not the Candidate. The fact that we even have questions about this at this late date is a failure of the so-called "Watchdogs of the Republic."

2) There has absolutely got to be some way we can use this to crack into Obama's college records.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (8y9MW)

24 He was angling for the international student benefits. That's the only rational explanation. An irrational explanation is quite another thing, and Obama probably has a good number of those.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (RD7QR)

25 So, assuming he found out that Frank Davis was his father in, say 2006, would he be biologically eligible for the presidency, and justified in changing his bio?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 17, 2012 05:08 PM (HrBwt)

26 Shit just got surreal.

Posted by: jakeman at May 17, 2012 05:08 PM (96M6e)

27 oh what a web we weave blah de dah

Posted by: kallisto at May 17, 2012 05:08 PM (jm/9g)

28 Kenyan?

Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at May 17, 2012 05:08 PM (hXJOG)

29 So, they corrected the changed title of his book (Journeys -->
Dreams), but Barack wouldn't have noticed the error and
requested it be changed?

Guess Jonathon Chait's explanation makes less and less sense that it was an editor's error. That's what you get for rushing to blindedly defend something

Barack H. Obama was trading on a false identity.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at May 17, 2012 05:09 PM (JdSQO)

30 I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even
floating this huge a layoff, knowing that her association with Romney
will make it a political football.

Posted by: rockmom at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (NYnoe)

That's pretty scary. I seriously doubt she was thinking along those lines but you're probably right about the media reaction.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 17, 2012 05:09 PM (RD7QR)

31 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 05:09 PM (7W3wI)

32 I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even floating this huge a
layoff, knowing that her association with Romney will make it a
political football.


Ms. Whitman is a CEO of a company quickly sinking, I'm sure being a "political football" isn't even in her top 5 worries.

As for the rest: The media's opponent isn't John McCain. It's not even Mitt Romney. It's Andrew Breitbart. I'm not nearly as worried as I would have been just a few months ago.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (8y9MW)

33 O/T

ABC News reports autopsy found Trayvon Martin had the drug THC in his system - @ABC http://abcn.ws/Mp6H9I

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (ebPtk)

34 Meh.

Posted by: toby928© at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (NG097)

35 It's TOO FUCKING LATE anyway!This needed to be pushed in 2007-8.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (7W3wI)

36 Maybe Obama was angling for a spot on the Kenyan National Basketball Team aka The Skeletons.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (I/Xad)

37 Sloppy coverup. All they needed to do was add a line to robots.txt and archive.org would have deleted that old info. Live and learn....

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:11 PM (UpwlP)

38 I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even floating this huge a layoff, knowing that her association with Romney will make it a political football.

Posted by: rockmom at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (NYnoe)

For some people, political considerations are not that important.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 05:11 PM (lZBBB)

39 33
O/T

ABC News reports autopsy found Trayvon Martin had the drug THC in his system - @ABC http://abcn.ws/Mp6H9I



Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 05:10 PM (ebPtk)

So he was smoking some weed? Wouldn't that make him mellow rather than combative? (But it would explain a sudden attack of the munchies necessitating a trip to the 7-Eleven.) Seems to be neither here nor there.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 17, 2012 05:12 PM (RD7QR)

40 Difficile est saturam non scribere.

--Juvenal

Posted by: logprof at May 17, 2012 05:12 PM (ykSKg)

41 It means, clearly, and with teh clarity of two glasses of wine: SCOAMF is a lying liar who lies and has fleas (or flatworms or yaws...multiple choice!).

Here are your three choices, Jay Carney:
1) Printer mistake! No biggie! The great author unaware of typo! Should read Kapiolani Medical Center, Hawaii----as you can see both Kenya and Kapiolani start with the letter 'K'!!! This is either a mistake or a conspiracy! Move on to bombing Iran!
2) In Hahvahd under Fulbright Scholarship for foreign-born (Kenya) and, oopsie, a little white (? how racist!!!) lie! It was the ONLY way he could go to college! This is how desperate some are for education! You have to lie and cheat to obtain foreign aid! System exposed! Oh, wait...this means he LIED.
3) Corrected in 2007 when considering running for preznit as, well, campaign thinks you have to be born in Hawaii or somewhere in USA. Unfortunately not all get memo and not corrected until 2007 just prior to running as great hope for all mankind. Regardless, this means he LIED.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky Wildbeast Seminole Chick at May 17, 2012 05:12 PM (baL2B)

42 >>ABC News reports autopsy found Trayvon Martin had the drug THC in his system

So...he really did go out for "tea." *cough*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 17, 2012 05:13 PM (/kI1Q)

43 Don't forget to hold the opinion that the left will approve of. Oh, and if the left hasn't told you what to think you should try to assume what they would tell you and get behind that. For example, this woman in Nebraska might be not what the left approves of so think what the birthers would want and do the opposite!

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:13 PM (mFIbw)

44 @22 I don't see how HP's troubles can be spun to hurt Romney, association or not. HP has to function in the Obama Economy like everyone else. Or are they Too Big to Fail so they need a government bailout check like other Obama pet projects and donors happen to get? Anyway they try and spin it, you can punch it right back into their face based on Obama's fascistic policies.

Posted by: ArcadeHero at May 17, 2012 05:13 PM (zt7SE)

45 You know why the Obamas and press mocked birthers for a long time, then
got a lot of pressure on it and suddenly Obama did the simple task of
releasing a birth certificate?
It's because the Born in Kenya thing
was hurting him more than his opponents. He rode the issue for a while
until it turned sour on him. It's still sour.


Sort of. He rode it as long as he could, with the newly elected Dem governor of HI trying to revive the Birther nonsense. By the time he released his "long form" certificate, the Birther thing had fizzled to a whimper.

Releasing it was just a way to stretch it out a little longer. After all, once a conspiracy theorist becomes vested in their pet cause, no amount of evidence or logic will sway them, only further convince them that it's all a Vast Conspiracy.

Unfortunately, too many clinging to the Birther silliness either don't know or won't admit to themselves that Obama played them for fools.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 05:13 PM (SY2Kh)

46 That giant sucking sound as King Tutz ancient papyrus are retrieved from the #2 mayonnaise jar in Funky Wagnal's tent.

Posted by: Sidwell Friends of Kenya at May 17, 2012 05:13 PM (vhwRj)

47 the SCOAMF was either lying then or he's lying now, but either way, he's a liar.



Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (8MasJ)

48 Wasn't Obama's boy Ralia Odinga in some election craziness in April 2007?

Posted by: The Q at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (LnQhT)

49 For some people, political considerations are not that important.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 05:11 PM (lZBBB)

As Ms. Whitman deftly proved in her campaign for CA governor.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (ZGvW2)

50 16 Want to prove this is nothing. Open up all of obama's college and law school records, especially the financial and admissions one.
Posted by: nevergiveup

Absolutely. Mitt should show up to a debate with his college records, and ask Obama for his. But are the establishment Repubs willing to fight this?

Seriously, if this is true, (and as Ace said, facts are facts) this SCOAMF perpetrated fraud to gain the presidency of the United States of America, and not only should he be removed from office, but he well could earn some time in the big house for this.

Posted by: moki at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (dZmFh)

51 The Wayback Machine is a bitch. It's always a cause of joy to confront someone with something that was never on there nope never and voila! There it is!

Posted by: alexthechick at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (VtjlW)

52 Andd..... just why was this suddenly fixed when it was? Did someone ASK for it to be fixed?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (lZBBB)

53
>ABC News reports autopsy found Trayvon Martin had the drug THC in his system - @ABC http://abcn.ws/Mp6H9I


Explains the late night Skittles run, in the rain.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (I/Xad)

54
I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even floating this huge a
layoff, knowing that her association with Romney will make it a
political football.


She has a lot of pressure from the board/investors and limited time to turn that ship around.

Posted by: slatz at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (fBmrY)

55 This Kenya thing is bullshit. Anyone with a lick of sense knows the man is Cherokee.

Posted by: Countrysquire at May 17, 2012 05:14 PM (nlRAj)

56 Please. Traytable had THC in his bloodstream all the time. In fact THC isn't even admissible as an intoxicator because it intoxicates people differently. Probably didn't touch him except in great quantities.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:15 PM (mFIbw)

57 I am frankly surprised that Ms. Whitman is even floating this huge a layoff, knowing that her association with Romney will make it a political football.

Really? Seems pretty simple to handle to me:

Yes, we had to layoff a bunch of people. Why....because the economy stinks. The real unemployment rate is 16.2%, gas prices have increased x% since President Obama took office and no one is making any long term investments in durable goods because the market is worried Greece and all the other large debtor countries, including the U.S., will default. Oh, and we have the uncertainty of what Obamacare will cost, what the additional regulations imposed by the EPA will cost.................but, the President did make a gutsy call and kill Bin Laden....so we have that going for us.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 17, 2012 05:15 PM (OWjjx)

58 So he was smoking some weed? Wouldn't that make him mellow rather than
combative? (But it would explain a sudden attack of the munchies
necessitating a trip to the 7-Eleven.) Seems to be neither here nor
there.
It doesn't mean much of anything. That shit stays in your system for weeks after you smoke it and he'd just been suspended for having a baggie with pot residue on it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 17, 2012 05:15 PM (e0xKF)

59
1/32 klingon

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 17, 2012 05:15 PM (9XXaj)

60 So he was smoking some weed? Wouldn't that make him mellow rather than combative? (But it would explain a sudden attack of the munchies necessitating a trip to the 7-Eleven.) Seems to be neither here nor there.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 17, 2012 05:12 PM (RD7QR)


meh. THC stays "in your system" for a few days.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 17, 2012 05:16 PM (Qxe/p)

61 23 -

Absolutely agree, Allen. The reason this nonsense is still out there is nobody with the clout to do it has bothered to check. These people don't want to know.

And you know what? Until there's morecredible evidence otherwise, I'm going to believe this was lazy work by somebody, possibly even Barack himself. He didn't bother to correct it, even if given the chance to approve the final wording.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 17, 2012 05:16 PM (TOk1P)

62 I don't believe he was born in Kenya and I don't believe he ever ate a dog; both fictions were useful to him until they became inconvenient.

He had a composite girlfriend, and apparently lived a composite life.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 05:16 PM (HfydS)

63 55- threadwinner?

Posted by: moki at May 17, 2012 05:16 PM (dZmFh)

64 So. Much. Bullshit.

See link

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (pLTLS)

65 He wasnt born in Kenya.. he just said that when it suited him to get into college.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (DGIjM)

66 See? The problem solved itself. Bing-bong, quittin' time!

Posted by: MFM at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (kC3nL)

67 24 He was angling for the international student benefits. That's the only rational explanation. An irrational explanation is quite another thing, and Obama probably has a good number of those.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 17, 2012 05:07 PM (RD7QR)


Yeah Obama couldn't quite pull off the I'm-part-Cherokee gambit so he probably went down the other path and became Barrack from Kenya instead of Barry from Hawaii.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (pAlYe)

68 When is the Media going to learn to wait to react to anything the Breitbart crew puts out and hedge a little bit. The slow drip death by a thousand cuts was why Breitbart was a futten genius. He know what they would do before they did it. Set em up, wait for it, and BOOM BABY, hows my ass taste now?

Posted by: Finn McCool at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (R/8dI)

69 Liar liar pants on fire.

Sounds like he pulled a fauxahontas and embellished his bio to be a "man of the world". That is more convincingly the motive of a pretentious, self-absorbed person like Obama.

He knew multiculturalism wouldn't sell to the US electorate.

He also knew that lie would make him ineligible to be President.

I still don't buy he wasn't born in the US.

His response to this will be predictable. He will laugh it off as a joke and never answer the question. That's what self-absorbed, pretentious people do. They further the lie and scoff at how ridiculous the little rubes would be to ask such a question. If pushed he will demur and say it was obviously an editorial mistake about which he knew nothing.

It does make me want to see his transcripts though. What do those say...in his handwriting?

Posted by: Exile at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (O0lVq)

70 Plenty of shit has been wiped clean off the web.

Spp.gov (the Strategic North American Partnership project) as example. Gone from archive.org, google cache, etc. Vanished.

Just like the article "Kenyan State Senator to run for US Senate" from Illinois around '05. Fucking gone.

It can be done.

Posted by: BP NJ at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (ph70Q)

71 2) There has absolutely got to be some way we can use this to crack into Obama's college records.


Where am I when you need me? Dead.

If I were around, I would say the easiest place to find them would be Clarmont before he went to Columbia, or his old HS in Hawaii. Getting shit out of Columbia or Harvard is going to be tough. They probably have every copy in a vault. Sometimes student grades are posted for the whole class on a bulletin board or on line, but I suspect those days are over. The thought was a fellow student might have a complete record of grades in one class he took with Barry. Most prep schools don't get transcripts of their students, but a lot keep up with them. Job applications? He worked for a law firm in Chicago.

Find classmates. They can give you an idea where Barry was in a class. Professors aren't going to tell you jack shit.

Ask his made up NY girlfriend?

Posted by: Zombie Lee Atwater at May 17, 2012 05:18 PM (hXJOG)

72 1/32 klingon


We don't consider that authentic Klingon.

Posted by: FLOTUS at May 17, 2012 05:18 PM (QKKT0)

73 Uhhhh, can we go back to talking about my EATING DOGS now?

Posted by: Barack obama at May 17, 2012 05:18 PM (fYOZx)

74 He was angling for the international student benefits. That's the only rational explanation.

Libs are always up on a high moral horse about AA, even though the loudest proponents never seem to actually pay the price of such policies, and twist it for their own advantage at every opportunity. Here again, a Ghostbusters quote summarizes it nicely.

President Obama, and Professor Warren---- The purpose of science quotas is to serve mankind the historically disadvantaged. You seem
to regard science affirmative action as some kind of dodge... or hustle. Your theories are rhetoric is
the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods ethics are sloppy, and your
conclusions are highly questionable! You are poor scientist quota hires, Dr. Venkman President Obama and Professor Warren!

At least the utter corruption of they AA system is on full display. Another nail in the coffin.

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (6TB1Z)

75 According to the person who listed him as Kenyan, it was a fact check error.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (I/Xad)

76 >> He wasnt born in Kenya.. he just said that when it suited him to get into college.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (5Rurq)

77 It is also a well known fact that serial BANK ROBBER Butch Cassidy is a mormon. Why hasn't Romney spoken out against this person?

Posted by: MFM at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (jucos)

78 I think he wished he was born in Kenya,until he needed to not be born in Kenya.He was raised to hate America.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (7W3wI)

79 come on ... everyone calls Hawaii "The Kenya of the Pacific"

Posted by: JeffC at May 17, 2012 05:19 PM (A3tpD)

80 How many times do I have to say it...............The whole Kenya thing was FAMILY LORE people..........so it doesn't have to be true.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 17, 2012 05:20 PM (OWjjx)

81 Furthermore- that's the value of this tidbit. The distraction was he "wasn't born in the US".

He laughed at everybody when releasing the birth certificate.

He was hiding that for years he paraded as being born in Kenya, because it was a convenient lie to further his career.

Obama's an opportunist. A lying opportunist.

Posted by: Exile at May 17, 2012 05:20 PM (O0lVq)

82 This would be a fucking joke if the country wasn't so fucking boned by this scoamft.

Posted by: real joe at May 17, 2012 05:20 PM (lgANn)

83 According to the person who listed him as Kenyan, it was a fact check error.

There are only a few keystrokes' difference between Hawaii and Kenya.

Posted by: The QWERTY Advisory Council at May 17, 2012 05:21 PM (QKKT0)

84 Never mind the HP layoffs, just tie Romney to Meg if you want to make Romney toxic.

Posted by: Bob Saget at May 17, 2012 05:21 PM (SDkq3)

85 Obama is a fraud and a charlatan.

Posted by: The Q at May 17, 2012 05:21 PM (LnQhT)

86 So it was listed that way by his agents for over 5 years?

Posted by: irright at May 17, 2012 05:22 PM (RzLbD)

87 They may try to make this into a everybody lies about sex but they won't be able to. Name someone in the world of big media who doesn't have a literary agent and thus knows that the author has control over what gets said about the author. It can't be done.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at May 17, 2012 05:22 PM (YwLDx)

88 Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 17, 2012 05:17 PM (pLTLS)

$150,000 worth of correction fluid -- Mike Nesmith is rich.

Posted by: Sidwell Friends of Kenya at May 17, 2012 05:22 PM (vhwRj)

89 41
It means, clearly, and with teh clarity of two glasses of wine: SCOAMF
is a lying liar who lies and has fleas (or flatworms or yaws...multiple
choice!).

Here are your three choices, Jay Carney:
1) Printer mistake!


Yeah, let me tell you how that shit worked out.

Posted by: Dan Rather at May 17, 2012 05:22 PM (hXJOG)

90 Barack Obama: Born in Kenya, Raised in Indonesia, Reared in Hawaii

Posted by: Franklin Marshall Davis at May 17, 2012 05:23 PM (Y+DPZ)

91 I just thought "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia" because he couldn't throw a baseball and his breath smelled like dog meat.

Posted by: Obama's literary agent at May 17, 2012 05:23 PM (Ky1+e)

92 I have this CCR song bouncing around in my head_-

Now, when I was just a little boy,
Standin' to my Daddy's knee,
My poppa said, "Son, don't let the man get you
Do what he done to me."
'Cause he'll get you,
'Cause he'll get you now, now.

And I can remember the fourth of July,
Runnin' through the backwood, bare.
And I can still hear my old hound dog barkin',
Chasin' down a hoodoo there.
Chasin' down a hoodoo there.


********

The dog lyric---ha!

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 05:23 PM (r2PLg)

93 So he was Kenyan when Kenyan WAS cool.

Posted by: irright at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (RzLbD)

94 Hey, all I know is that there were big brown guys with grass skirts outside the tent where I was born. Er, the hospital, I mean.

Posted by: Barky O'Dogeater at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (QKKT0)

95 There are only a few keystrokes' difference between Hawaii and Kenya.

I know, right? I can't tell you how many times in my professional bio I meant to say born in Washington State, and accidentally typed the Seychelles. I mean, who catches stuff like that?

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (6TB1Z)

96 Dammit, that's what he told me to tell the literary agency when I handed in the manuscript !!

Posted by: Bill Ayers at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (Y+DPZ)

97 Rockmom, few average voters would make the half dozen connections necessary for your scenario.

Posted by: Lauren at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (bV8xV)

98 I was born in Kenya before I was born in Hawaii.

Posted by: John Kerrybama at May 17, 2012 05:24 PM (kC3nL)

99 I don't think Obama Sr was Obama's real father.

I think it was just a nice cover. Not sure if Obama himself ever knew for sure. I think his grandpa made a deal with a Obama Sr a high status Phd black guy to claim paternity.

Who knows if Obama's mom and grandpa ever told him the truth.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (ZPrif)

100 He worked at being Kenyan longer than any other job he's had

Posted by: irright at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (RzLbD)

101 If I had a son, he would look like Tyvek

Posted by: Willie Nelson at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (1IE2B)

102 Romney should ignore this, but WE should tear it up like a badger on meth


Posted by: SantaRosaStan ( not the Fish Fry Guy ) at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (Dll6b)

103 Fear is the little death.

Don't be so afraid!

btw as far as pot making you mellow - depends on the blend now doesn't it? some can be quite the pick me up

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (SB0V2)

104 Ok, let's be clear. Obama's birth certificate is obviously a fake. I mean, if you take any time to look at it at all (which the compliant press did not), it is obviously not only a forgery but a bad forgery. Obama probably was born in Kenya and has no business being POTUS.

That being said, it doesn't matter. No one cares. It sounds too much like alien abduction stories to most people.

What does matter is the economy and I think Romney gets that.

"The problem with Democracy is that a lot of REALLY stupid people get to vote."

- Bill Mitchell

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at May 17, 2012 05:25 PM (hlUJY)

105 More importantly.....Barky himself didn't dispute the 'Kenyan born' lore, when he was running for the Senate.

Ask Allan Keyes. ....It came up in their debate. And Barky dismissed it, saying that he was "running for the Senate, not for President".

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (dHMPi)

106 rather fortuitous i guess.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (TomZ9)

107 So, this was published in 1991 and remained a 'fact check error' until 2007? Now, let's see what could possibly have happened in 2007 that would cause them to SUDDENLY correct an 'error' from 1991? Hmmmm.......

Posted by: Tami at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (X6akg)

108 the SCOAMF was either lying then or he's lying now, but either way, he's a liar.

OTOH, Lizzy Warren swears he's 1/32 Cherokee.

Posted by: Teh Kittehs at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (+zOps)

109 Ask Allan Keyes. ....It came up in their debate. And Barky dismissed it, saying that he was "running for the Senate, not for President".
Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (dHMPi)
----------------------------------------------------
Allen Keyes is still alive?

Posted by: MFM at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (jucos)

110 If I had a son, he would look like Tyvek

*Ahem*

Posted by: Bob Marley at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (1IE2B)

111 Come on guys. It was just a biographer I knew in the neighborhood.

Posted by: jinxthecat at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (l3vZN)

112 Ask Allan Keyes. ....It came up in their debate. And Barky dismissed it, saying that he was "running for the Senate, not for President".

rrrrrreally? Is this true? oh that is very telling.

little hits, here and there, will crack the thickest media bubble

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (SB0V2)

113 The Kenyan lie helped Obama rise to the heights of America.

When he got to the top so quickly and so easily Obama thought, fuck, I could be President this shit is easy. So then he had to ditch the Kenyan lie he'd ridden to the top.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (ZPrif)

114
24 He was angling for the international student benefits. That's the only rational explanation. An irrational explanation is quite another thing, and Obama probably has a good number of those.
-----
Seems to me like the rational explanation is that he did get the benefits lawfully, but then wanted to be president. The evidence of this is the TOP secret school records, and top secret birth certificate.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (UpwlP)

115 according to Gibbs in 2008 . Obama was under the care of Madelyn (the gramma) and raised by him from birth according to an article i read.

i guess the truth of anything Is what They tell us truth is.

what is -is dunno.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (TomZ9)

116 Ahhh all those lies... Well they worked enough to get you elected.. but Barrack, you KNEW this day would eventually come. Its come earlier than expected for sure. You made a deal with the devil and your lies have caught up to you.

Pass the popcorn! The Schadenfreude is getting thick! Woohoooo

It'll be great fun to see the media bring up shiny objects and breathlessly say this is a conspiracy theory to protect their lord and master. Great fun. We'll all know who we can ignore in the future, and who will not be hired in the future do to hero worship. I feel a BIG BACKLASH coming

Posted by: Can of Raid, and truth teller at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (7WDxS)

117 I'm much more interested in the lies and the breathtaking lack of vetting by the MFM than anything else.

His mother was a natural-born citizen of the U.S. End of story.

Posted by: cranky-d at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (JWd0O)

118 This is a non-story.

At this point, even if we have a document that's legally signed by O and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that O was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible to be preezy, doesn't matter.

NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.

EVER.

END
of
STORY.

Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (z63Tr)

119 Ask Allan Keyes. ....It came up in their debate. And Barky dismissed it, saying that he was "running for the Senate, not for President".

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:26 PM (dHMPi)


Hmmm that would be some interesting video to find and publicize.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (pAlYe)

120 I can organize a neighborhood, but getting all my lies organized into a cohesive narrative? That's a bitch.

Posted by: Barry Obama at May 17, 2012 05:29 PM (Ky1+e)

121 little hits, here and there, will crack the thickest media bubble

Ever checked out the thickness of our bubble, toots?

Posted by: The MBM at May 17, 2012 05:29 PM (QKKT0)

122 Also, Fuck John McCain! How did his campaign not find this in 2008??

This took, what? some hard-core google searching?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2012 05:29 PM (ZPrif)

123
Snopes said the Keyes remark was an urban myth. The Keyes site has the audio up, according to a link from Free Republic. I clicked the link and do go to the keyes archives, the audio says "loading" but never plays.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:30 PM (UpwlP)

124
Electrons are tricksy and false!

Conniving and scheming electrons in the depths of the Interwebs are the worst!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 17, 2012 05:30 PM (UzjcV)

125 Ever checked out the thickness of our bubble, toots?


even Mr Omaha can't save you.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 17, 2012 05:30 PM (SB0V2)

126 oopsie !

Posted by: MSM at May 17, 2012 05:30 PM (zsgo8)

127 NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.

EVER.

END
of
STORY.
Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (z63Tr)
-----------------------------------------------------
This.

Posted by: MFM at May 17, 2012 05:30 PM (jucos)

128 Look, it's a known fact that, when you mis-spell "Hawaii" in MS Word, (wait, this was '91...Hrm...Lotus Notes), AutoCorrect always takes it and replaces it with "Kenya."

I know at least three other people that this has happened to.

Posted by: Jay Carney, glad that he uses Dial at May 17, 2012 05:31 PM (kC3nL)

129 NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.
*****

Geez, he's been out of office since 2001. Move on already.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 17, 2012 05:31 PM (jUZRg)

130 Obama, "Listen folks, there was a time in my Life i did not know the truth, I have rectified the matter, now gays and pills are a much more important discussion, If it weren't for Bush we would speak of how great my composite Obama could be."

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:31 PM (TomZ9)

131 Don't be surprised when Obama's federal authoritarians annihilate doubters of hope change.

Posted by: mutating revisionism at May 17, 2012 05:31 PM (lpWVn)

132 112 Ask Allan Keyes. ....It came up in their debate. And Barky dismissed it, saying that he was "running for the Senate, not for President".
rrrrrreally? Is this true? oh that is very telling.
little hits, here and there, will crack the thickest media bubble

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 17, 2012 05:27 PM (SB0V2)


Yes.It's true. .....I watched a video of that debate moment, on Youtube, a couple of years ago. ....It's got to still be out there somewhere.

And Allen Keyes has been screaming about this for years. ....But people have tried to paint him as a 'crazy birther'. .....Say what you will about Keyes....but at least he loves this country.

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (dHMPi)

133 >>Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (z63Tr)

I don't know if you've heard, but he's up for re-election

Posted by: Albie Damned at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (Yhu4q)

134 "Fear is the little death."

Pardon-moi

Posted by: french wanker at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (RzLbD)

135 Which Moron had the Footfall reference in the comments a few articles back? I was at work and could reply, but had a chuckle. Took a little while for it to click, but well played sir.

Posted by: BishopWash at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (hqKrm)

136 Is their audio of this issue in the Alan Keyes debates?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (ZPrif)

137 O/T

With all the war drums over Iran, thought I would look at moon phases. May 21th no moon light. June 19th AND 20th no moon light. An extra night to come back for a second strike.

Hmm

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (hXJOG)

138 I said in 2008 that he was on Fulbright Scholarship but no one listened to me.
Signed,
Christy Blinky
Redneck Republican

I really, really think folks like O'Barky and Warren scammed the system for bucks to go to Harvard as minorities or (in his case) foreign-born. Keeping in mind that Barry has never explained the mystery of how he paid to go from Occidental to Harvard. If he had stellar grades we would know it. He did not have a fancy pass for grades to Harvard from high school. We would see transcripts that say he was not on Fulbright scholarship, therefore transcripts hidden. While he was possibly spawned in Hawaii, he LIED on documents to gain scholarship money, which then required him scrubbing birth certificate. Either he LIED about his royal birthplace or he LIED to get into college under a LYING foreign aid scholarship. Hopefully his lying like a rug contaminated with monkeypox ebola will change some Independent voter's hearts.

It is too late to change the election of 2008. But I want His Serene Highness LiarPantsOnFire to lose some votes this year, babycakes.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky Wildbeast Seminole Chick at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (baL2B)

139
Link to the supposed Keyes debate - http://scoamf.us/t9
It loads forever.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (UpwlP)

140 Is this the ultimate shinny object, with Rev. Wright second, as long as Romney and in-office politicians stay away from it, I'm fine with this as a helpful background bass line during the campaign.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (n9Vbj)

141 jULIA!!!!!!!!oBAMA

Posted by: the audacity of abhorence at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (lpWVn)

142 70 Plenty of shit has been wiped clean off the web.



...Just like the article "Kenyan State Senator to run for US Senate" from Illinois around '05. Fucking gone.



"Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate"
http://bit.ly/1rYigj

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (d6QMz)

143 This is a non-story.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe the lawlessness will just go away.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 05:34 PM (vbh31)

144 Obama the Narcissist in Chief did not read a write-up about himself?

Unpossible!

Posted by: Y-not at May 17, 2012 05:34 PM (5H6zj)

145 137 O/T

With all the war drums over Iran, thought I would look at moon phases. May 21th no moon light. June 19th AND 20th no moon light. An extra night to come back for a second strike.

Hmm
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 17, 2012 05:32 PM (hXJOG)

*************


Has the WH made their Iran announcement yet?

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 05:34 PM (r2PLg)

146 NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.

Then we have nothing but an Ochlocracy and never will have anything else. Great. Might as well pack it in.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 05:34 PM (X3lox)

147 Obama would have likely gotten away with this charade if he had claimed to be Cherokee.

Posted by: Fritz at May 17, 2012 05:34 PM (/ZZCn)

148 Half of what I say is meaningless
But I say it just to reach you, Julia.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 17, 2012 05:35 PM (jUZRg)

149 140 the bass line isn't simply "helpful background" but structural backbone.

Posted by: cantus firmus at May 17, 2012 05:35 PM (lpWVn)

150 Recipe for Kenyan Goulash /feeds 1 tribe
1 Dog/cook/eat
Enjoy.
Lizzie "slithering beaver" Warren

Posted by: alf767 at May 17, 2012 05:36 PM (ILxM8)

151 "This birtherism, I just never understood."

Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 17, 2012 05:36 PM (lpWVn)

152 Obama the Narcissist in Chief did not read a write-up about himself? Unpossible!

****

Word.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 17, 2012 05:36 PM (jUZRg)

153
Bruce is going to have to do some work on that melody line...Born in the Kenya doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 05:37 PM (VMcEw)

154 Julia? Obama's alter ego.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 17, 2012 05:37 PM (lpWVn)

155 "His mother was a natural-born citizen of the U.S. End of story."

NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.

EVER.

END
of
STORY.


Umm. Bullshit. Not that I think he will be removed from office, other than being voted out, but this is showing that there was a reason for the birthers to be suspicious. It shows that Obama either let his literary agent lie, or he lied to his literary agent, or he's a bigger fucking idiot than we thought because he didn't fact check his bio. It's just more proof this guy is a shifty-ass mother-fucker who can't keep his bullshit straight. This will turn heads of more than a few independents who will start thinking, "I thought the birthers were crazy. Guess not. Now what else might I have been wrong about... ?"

Posted by: Barry Obama at May 17, 2012 05:37 PM (Ky1+e)

156 It not about whether or not he was born in Kenya or Hawaii


It's about Obama lying throughout his entire adult life.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan ( not the Fish Fry Guy ) at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (Dll6b)

157 Hmmm that would be some interesting video to find and publicize.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (pAlYe)


I didn't save a link to that Youtube video. ....But hopefully it still exists somewhere. ....The birther people probably have a copy of it, I should think.

There were even articles back then, when he won theSenate race....where they referred to him as "African born" or"Kenyan born". ....Because it was considered 'cool' that a real live African born, African-American, had been elected to the Senate.

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (dHMPi)

158 This is a non-story...

Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (z63Tr)


Or, as we like to call it, the "Last House on the Left" syndrome.

Posted by: MSM per se at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (vhwRj)

159 Somewhere, there's probably a recording of him when he was just starting out in politics pimping that he was born in Kenya and made it in America. People like a rags to riches stories.

That tape might be in a 5gal pail of concrete at the bottom of the Marianas trench by now though.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (iCH2M)

160 I was born in Texas, and I can prove it.

Posted by: S Daniel at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (BVkEs)

161 The chick who admitted the "fact check error" is Miriam Goderich, she has a hell of a memory.
How old is that girl?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (I/Xad)

162 Bruce is going to have to do some work on that melody line...Born in the Kenya doesn't have the same ring to it.
****

Born in the Ken Y A
He was born inthe Ken Y A.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (jUZRg)

163 >>Find classmates. They can give you an idea where Barry was in a class

I have a cousin who went to law school with Obama. He lives 2000 miles away and I haven't seen him for a several years. I don't want to be crass and contact him out of the blue just to ask about Obama..

..BUT...I will be seeing him in a couple of weeks at a family reunion

Posted by: Albie Damned at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (Yhu4q)

164 Is
this the ultimate shinny object, with Rev. Wright second? As long as
Romney and in-office politicians stay away from it, I'm fine with this
as a helpful background bass line during the campaign.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (n9Vbj)

165
142
"Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate"
http://bit.ly/1rYigj
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (d6QMz)



But those Kenyans lie ALL the time...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (UzjcV)

166 It's about Obama lying throughout his entire adult life.

He's a career politician who never worked an honest day in his life, so serial lying is implicit.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (iCH2M)

167 13 Um, I guess all those birthers are just a bunch of ignorant wingnuts who are just racist.
-------------------------------

I guess it was up to Juan McLame to do the research on this, but then again his campaign CAUGHT black Democrats in Ohio stuffing the ballot box (Stratfor emails) and McLame refused to get an injunction despite the pleas from his own campaign staff.

Thanks for nothing McLame!

Posted by: Sam I Am at May 17, 2012 05:39 PM (ShuAW)

168 >>Julia? Obama's alter ego.

After Romney wins, and Michelle leaves him for someone who hasn't lost her private jet, he'll be free to transition to being Julia full-time.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 17, 2012 05:40 PM (/kI1Q)

169 "the bass line isn't simply "helpful background" but structural backbone."

Sometimes, it's all you need.

Posted by: Vic Wooten at May 17, 2012 05:40 PM (+hPIb)

170 @168 - and, thanks to ObamaCare, we'll pay for it.

Posted by: reason at May 17, 2012 05:40 PM (+hPIb)

171 There's a video on youtube that was posted about 3 years ago asking if anyone remembers the video of Obama saying this to Keyes. Apparently, according to comments, it was a backstage comment Obama made to Keyes....it was not said during the regular debate. It was captured by someone's personal video camera.


http://tinyurl.com/cmr2hlh

Posted by: Tami at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (X6akg)

172 from M80's Link 2004;;

Kenyan-born US
Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after
his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid
sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow
Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have
given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on
Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his
ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex
clubs in Paris, Ne

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (TomZ9)

173 "Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate"
http://bit.ly/1rYigj


Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (d6QMz)
---------
Interesting. AP cites Obama as Kenyan-born. Seems the narrative was that Obama was born in Kenya. Until the narrative became problematic for a Presidential run. Then the narrative was revised.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (P6QsQ)

174 Obama the Narcissist in Chief did not read a write-up about himself? Unpossible!



****


Word.

Posted by: WalrusRex


Damn straight. Anyone publishing a bio of someone asks for a bio from the subject. They don't run around researching the person, they just ask them for a short bio and usually run it verbatim because they don't want to fuck with it.

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (Ky1+e)

175 so He was fond of USING this misinformation to get ahead.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (TomZ9)

176 Because it was considered 'cool' that a real live African born, African-American, had been elected to the Senate.

I wonder if there is any record from the Senate floor where anyone mentions this back when he first got there?

Posted by: Infidel at May 17, 2012 05:41 PM (O/fK8)

177 NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.
EVER.
END
ofSTORY.

Posted by: shibumi at May 17, 2012 05:28 PM (z63Tr)

Uh.... you do realize that he is running for re election? And that the America People STILL think of themselves as an Honest People?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 05:42 PM (lZBBB)

178 Looks like Obama's literary agent is saying that this was all a fact checking mistake by him and that Obama had nothing to do with any Kenyan claims:

http://bit.ly/JzJjEG

Talking about the pamphlet gives fodder to the birthers and is exactly what the SCoaMF wants.

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 05:42 PM (XvHmy)

179 >>and, thanks to ObamaCare, we'll pay for it.

Congress didn't exempt him when they exempted themselves? (Like he'd read it to find out....lol).

Even without Obamacare, I'm pretty sure health insurance is part of former presidents' retirement package, though.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 17, 2012 05:43 PM (/kI1Q)

180 But those Kenyans lie ALL the time...

the rationale for dismissing Obama's Kenyan Grandmother's account that he was born in Kenya.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 17, 2012 05:43 PM (lpWVn)

181 so at any rate the fact that birthers thought He was born anywhere BUT hawaii wasn't so off.
I men Obama kept saying so to others when it was profitable to himself to do so.


Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:43 PM (TomZ9)

182 Talking about the pamphlet gives fodder to the birthers and is exactly what the SCoaMF wants.


Of course, that's only if he has absolutely nothing to hide, right?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (vbh31)

183 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 17, 2012 05:05 PM (8y9MW)

Allen, I think it's time to change "tyrant" back to "failure".

Posted by: Max Power at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (q177U)

184 health insurance is part of former presidents' retirement package,

and Congress, too.

Posted by: cantus firmus at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (lpWVn)

185 This is a non-story.

At this point, even if we have a document
that's legally signed by O and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that O
was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible to be preezy, doesn't
matter.

NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.

EVER.


Agreed.

This is a giant nothingburger that will have little impact except to bring more Birther nutballs back out of the closet.

There isn't even a provision in the Constitution for removing a President that's later proved ineligible after they take office. Impeachment? Pure fantasy.

Yes, Obama at some point probably lied about being born in Kenya to make himself sound more interesting and/or help advance his prospects. However, the evidence is weak at best- the literary agents (even if they remembered) would never admit it, and could plausibly have made the error themselves.

Even if it was proved that he lied to his agent about his birthplace 20 years ago, it's not likely to swing voters. It might, however, serve to be yet another shiny object that the MSM would use to portray the GOP as petty and racist mudslingers.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (SY2Kh)

186 The H2 has the best tweet on this --

@TheH2




The same guy who edited himself into every other POTUS bio didn't obsess over his own? Yeah, right.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (pLTLS)

187 "Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate"
http://bit.ly/1rYigj




Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 05:33 PM (d6QMz)




How did we not know about that article before?

Posted by: Tami at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (X6akg)

188 After reading most of the comments and laughing at many of you who wanted to dismiss this from the gitgo, it seems strange that evidence just keeps popping up that this guy isn't who he says he is.

In this age of the internet, mistakes (lies) don't go unnoticed for long. The question of his birth/authenticity should be asked again and again until we get a straight answer and solid proof. These questions must be constantly asked so fraud such as this can't happen again.

Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (hmzjr)

189 Find classmates. They can give you an idea where Barry was in a class

Wayne Allen Root made this exact point - he was in the same graduating class as the Dog-Eater at Columbia. Root bet $10,000 that he got better LSATs than Barky - to prove that the Harvard gig was an A job and nothing else (as if anyone ever really had any doubts). Root said that at one of the reunions, Barky wasn't even mentioned. No one seemed to know him. Everyone ignored Root because he was a libertarian, I guess.

America, willfully snowed by a retard with an 84 IQ, the mathematical sophistication of a slow 8th grader, questionable language skills (remember that pathetic op-ed he wrote when he first slimed into office) and a liar of such magnitude (and not even good at that) ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (X3lox)

190 11
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE (iron) CURTAIN!!!!


Posted by: The Wizard of Axelrod at May 17, 2012 05:04 PM (QKKT0)

**************
Updated for accuracy

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (eQnzo)

191 Soooooo, Obama IS a Kenyan according to Himself when He benefits from it.

Fraud.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (TomZ9)

192 Associated Press in 2004 = Birthers via the WayBack Machine. Funny how it was all so OK to be Birthers when it was thought to help him as a candidate . . .

http://tinyurl.com/yz4jdju

"Kenyan-born US
Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after
his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid
sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow
Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have
given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on
Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his
ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex
clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans."It’s clear to me that a vigorous
debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan,
44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth
campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of
politics I refuse to play." . . . ."Some things never change.


Posted by: starboardhelm at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (hHgxI)

193 Hey Kenya, yeah, look, I'm gonna need to tell everybody that I was born in Hawaii for a while. Just ride it out. After my Presidency, I'll have a lot more flexibility...

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (+hPIb)

194 Gabe Malor is disgruntled that Sheriff Arpaio could be right about something, anything.

Posted by: cantus firmus at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (lpWVn)

195 It is too late to change the election of 2008. But I want His Serene
Highness LiarPantsOnFire to lose some votes this year, babycakes.


I want even more for him to lose and lose badly because he's been exposed as the lying fraud he is. I want him in tears. I want him forced to confront the lie that he is and always has been, until he suffers a total cognitive break and meltdown. I want him to emerge saying "I guess Joe Biden was the smart one. Shoulda listened to him".

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)

196 AP lies, They are Birthers!

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (TomZ9)

197
Like Vic said. Even if we find out he was born in Kenya.... so what?

It means that, as an illegal occupant of the office of President (according to the Constitution), every document he ever signed would be null and void.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (d0Tfm)

198 Obama's chickens are coming home to roost!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (CvLpE)

199 My pamphlet states I was born on a mysterious planet. Follow me. This way.>>>>

Posted by: Rafael Starr at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (BVkEs)

200 hahahaha, this is crazy.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (TomZ9)

201 "182 Talking about the pamphlet gives fodder to the birthers and is exactly what the SCoaMF wants."

Of course, that's only if he has absolutely nothing to hide, right?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (vbh31)

***************

His literary agent said "My bad." Unless people have unequivocable proof that his literary agent is a liar, then any truppeting of this will help Obama.

Breitbart.com goofed up big time.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (XvHmy)

202 Jim Treacher: Maybe Obama's literary agent misheard him when he said, "Can ya update my bio?"

Posted by: Retread at May 17, 2012 05:47 PM (joSBv)

203 >>and Congress, too.

And spouses. Oh look, Barney Frank's getting married before he leaves office.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 17, 2012 05:47 PM (/kI1Q)

204 Yes, Obama at some point probably lied about being born in Kenya to make himself sound more interesting and/or help advance his prospects. However, the evidence is weak at best- the literary agents (even if they remembered) would never admit it, and could plausibly have made the error themselves.

Even if it was proved that he lied to his agent about his birthplace 20 years ago, it's not likely to swing voters. It might, however, serve to be yet another shiny object that the MSM would use to portray the GOP as petty and racist mudslingers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (SY2Kh)

**********


Correct.

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 05:47 PM (r2PLg)

205 Looks like Obama's literary agent is saying that this was all a fact checking mistake by him and that Obama had nothing to do with any Kenyan claims:

http://bit.ly/JzJjEG

Talking about the pamphlet gives fodder to the birthers and is exactly what the SCoaMF wants.

This will not end well...Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 05:42 PM (XvHmy) -----God damn they found that guy quick! Hey, hows about we settle this by releasing a birth certificate from the Hawaii Health dept directly to the hands of Joe Arpaio? Too much to ask?

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:48 PM (UpwlP)

206 So AP also lied Political Hat?

no this is information Obama wanted out there when He wanted to use it for purpose!

how can saying that be wrong?
it is true.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:48 PM (TomZ9)

207
Damn, this Kenya twist blows the Hawian Crack-whore theory all to hell.

Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 05:48 PM (VMcEw)

208 Yeah, but does Congressional / Presidential healthcare cover "gender re-assignment therapy?"

Posted by: reason at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (+hPIb)

209 How did we not know about that article before?

It was claimed that the damning sentence was a local renegade unsanctioned addition only in the Kenyan paper. Other AP instances of the piece omitted the sentence.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (iCH2M)

210 Political hay

16 years? Seriously? Breitbart screwed up? Lol

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (CvLpE)

211 The axelturfers are here.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (7W3wI)

212
>>Oh look, Barney Frank's getting married before he leaves office.

Who is the lucky guy?

Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (VMcEw)

213 160 I was born in Texas, and I can prove it.

Posted by: S Daniel at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (BVkEs)


I was decanted in Factory 19 and I have the ISO inspection documents to prove it.

100% made in America baby!

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (pAlYe)

214 This is all bullsh1t anyway.

Obama wasn't BORN anywhere. He sprung directly from Zeus' head.

Posted by: Y-not at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (5H6zj)

215 Why is everyone so skittish about wondering about Obama's birth certificate? Have the Democrats and their racist crying assault teams put you in fear of your livelihood?

That just encourages them. Once they control the narrative, you're sunk. It's what they do. They're experts at it. Only answer is to not be cowed.

Theirs plenty of questions about Obama's birth and birth certificate. We don't let suspects claim they're innocent and let them go without an investigation into any allegations. Why does he get a pass because he says so?

Those on the right need to acquire some fortitude and not be fearful of the left. They're paper tigers for the most part. They can cause immediate damage but the worst move is to apologize or backtrack. Once you turn your back on an enemy and try to run the instinct is to chase and bring you down.

Stand your ground. If you're not making statements just asking questions why be diffident about it. Let them justify and provide provable facts.

So far they haven't, only raised more questions. By backing away from these things gives the Lame Media the opportunity to brand such questions "kooky" and not report on it. You know they're just looking for reasons not to report any facts about Obama.

Only those they must cover have the opportunities to get the questions out in the open for them to deny or admit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (CP+yl)

216 update? the bio?

you mean change the information They had been given?

Obama also told AP he was? where did All these lies spring from?

someone other than Obama made it up?

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (TomZ9)

217 Talking about the pamphlet gives fodder to the birthers and is exactly what the SCoaMF wants.



This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat



Scroll down the homepage here. We can talk about several things all in the course of a day. The pamphlet and the old burried headlines during Obama's senate run show there are legitimate questions about how Obama has been bullshitting the American public. Either then or now - take your pick. If you can't handle more than one topic in a day maybe this blog just isn't for you. Buh-bye.

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (Ky1+e)

218 Great. The blog is now tagging legitimate posts as spam. POS.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (vbh31)

219 How did we not know about that article before?


Posted by: Tami at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (X6akg)


Lots of us did.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (X3lox)

220 197
Like Vic said. Even if we find out he was born in Kenya.... so what?

It means that, as an illegal occupant of the office of President (according to the Constitution), every document he ever signed would be null and void.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (d0Tfm)


Bears repeating.
That said, I hope this goes nowhere unless Breitbart adds verifiable info.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (Qxe/p)

221 Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (SY2Kh)

Disagree.... Character DOES matter to many voters.... and many voted for the 'story' of Obama...

If that story prooves to be a LIE? It will matter... because it gives people an EXCUSE to have been wrong about him before... ie... it was not their poor judgement, it was his LIES...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (lZBBB)

222 The chick who admitted the "fact check error" is Miriam Goderich, she has a hell of a memory.How old is that girl?
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 17, 2012 05:38 PM (I/Xad)

She probably had a visit fron the guys in black suits and sunglasses

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 17, 2012 05:51 PM (nTgAI)

223 212 The one he isn't marrying.

Posted by: no good deed at May 17, 2012 05:51 PM (mjR67)

224 Breitbart, planted that information at AP also years ago to have a "surprise' moment after his death.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:51 PM (TomZ9)

225 Yes, Obama at some point probably lied about being born in Kenya to make himself sound more interesting and/or help advance his prospects. However, the evidence is weak at best- the literary agents (even if they remembered) would never admit it, and could plausibly have made the error themselves.Even if it was proved that he lied to his agent about his birthplace 20 years ago, it's not likely to swing voters. It might, however, serve to be yet another shiny object that the MSM would use to portray the GOP as petty and racist mudslingers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 05:44 PM (SY2Kh)

-----------------------------------------------

Go ahead. Blow it off. If you do then you're part of the problem. No matter if he was born in Kenya or used his Kenyan background as a lie to net a large personal gain with an admittance into a supposedly elite school, he committedfraud. And the last time I checked, using information the way Baraka did, that kind of fraud is a crime.

Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (hmzjr)

226 face it, Obama liked to tout his bonifides when it was useful to do so, as senator or President of the US not so much.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (TomZ9)

227 You guys are all correct. No one should say anything about anything. See, saying anything about anything makes people uncomfortable. It's more important to sit back and let the left spin everything the way they want. Plant a seed of doubt about Obama's honesty? Nah. That could backfire.

You guys tell your kids to run and hide if a bully shows up, don't you?

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (mFIbw)

228 even if they were made up bonifides.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (TomZ9)

229
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=133638

Who can separate the fact from fiction?

Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (VMcEw)

230 It would appear that most Americans will now tolerate a
healthy dose of lying. No big deal. Clinton was a true pioneer.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (vbh31)

231 Birthers have been trying to get people to wake up to this kind of thing for years and we've mostly onlygotten scorn from our fellow conservatives. Birthers will be proven correct in the end.

Jack Cashill is brilliant, by the way. He's the one who proved that Ayers wrote "Dreams".

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (KL49F)

232 What does it mean? It means da Zero is a bald faced liar, and also probably the Democrats have foisted the biggest scam in history on the voting public. This could be the end of the democratic/socialist/commie party.

Posted by: maddogg at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (OlN4e)

233 You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are
telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you
say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you
lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans
can explain their behavior! Please explain!

Posted by: Norman at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (Qxdfp)

234 Some have said this birth stuff is a waste of time and we should focus only on the economy. I don't think so.

This is not like some TV show where attackers insanely stand around and wait their turn to fight some dude one at a time while they all get smacked down. We need to all attack continuously at the same time for as long as it takes.

We hit Obama with birth questions/economy/SS card/foreign policy disasters/college transcripts/school grades/oil pipelines/national debt/attorney general corruption/ fast and furious/etc.

Most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Unrelenting daily attacks. Keep the Dems off balance. Have THEM react for a change.

Posted by: jjmurphy at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (xjEAl)

235 NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.
---

No one should be voted into office that can't be removed from it for just cause. This will ultimately backfire on minority candidates, not because of the raaaacists but because of those who protect the incompetent.

Posted by: Mayday at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (orrLR)

236 We better hush. Talking smack about Obama just plays right into his hands. Uncovering his lies is exactly what he wants. Don't do it.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (P6QsQ)

237 Abut Obama we know the following:

1. He is a liar of epic proportions
2. He is a crook from the most corrupt political environment in the country.
3. He is a racist and his major goal is to "stick it to the white man".
4. He is a Communist with a "D" after his name.
5. He is protected by blackdemocratium so all the above makes no difference.

So why should this make any difference?

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (YdQQY)

238 "Boston Public" actress Jeri Ryan, said her husband took her to kinky sex

clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

--Obama shocked! shocked that married people have sex.

Meanwhile, chaperoned by Secret Service illicit sex addicts, Obama's 12-year-old daughter vacationed with peers in Mexico without parental supervision during Obama's national warning against traveling there.

At the very least, Obama issues travel warnings prior to his family vacations in order to have more to themselves without sharing space with other Americans.

Posted by: obligato at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (lpWVn)

239 You pick and choose your battles.


This battle isn't for Romney.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Ace can't go with it.

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (r2PLg)

240 "She probably had a visit fron the guys in black suits and sunglasses."

We'd like to speak with you, Missssssster Andersonnnnn...

Posted by: Virus at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (+hPIb)

241 The bottom line is that AT BEST ,Obama is a serial liar.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (7W3wI)

242 Fact-checking error? You check facts that someone GIVES to you. Who gave it to you, Miriam? Or did you just make it up? How come it wasn't rechecked for 16 years?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Average Joe at May 17, 2012 05:54 PM (bN5ZU)

243 For the love of Pete.

No one is talking about impeaching Obama or removing him from office in any other way except voting him out. Or were you not aware that this is an election year?

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 05:55 PM (P6QsQ)

244 Obama's new campaign theme song:
www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/kenya/

Posted by: Y-not at May 17, 2012 05:55 PM (5H6zj)

245 Know what else Obama did in 2007?

He paid his delinquent parking tickets from his college days.

Cuz with a name like "Barack Obama", you just know the Columbia University PD has it out for him!

When they get around to it.

Maybe.

Posted by: Sam I Am at May 17, 2012 05:55 PM (AzwZn)

246 The axelturfers are here.

Posted by: steevy


No kidding! Kind of an itchy group, aren't they?

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 05:55 PM (Ky1+e)

247
NO ONE will move to remove the first historically black president.
------
Because of his race, a particular action will not be considered. Isn't THAT racism?

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (UpwlP)

248 206 So AP also lied Political Hat?

no this is information Obama wanted out there when He wanted to use it for purpose!

how can saying that be wrong?
it is true.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 05:48 PM (TomZ9)

***************

Or maybe they crewed up.

There is no proof that Obama specifically lied, even though he probably did.

His literary agent copped to a "mistake." While it makes sense that he is falling on his sword, we don't have proof of that.

AP, for all we know, just reported that mistake as true.

Unless someone has definitive proof that can and will stand alone, then even suggesting that Obama *might* not be legitimately president is playing into Obama's hands.

The problem is that so many conspiracy theory loonies have latched onto birtherism, and mixed in bizarre conspiracies, that most people will just tune anything birthers say... if we are lucky.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (XvHmy)

249 http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=133638

Who can separate the fact from fiction?



Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (VMcEw)


That's awesome. And so true it hurts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (X3lox)

250 Could you people be any dumber or less informed?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ap.asp

Posted by: TomD at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (98iP2)

251 "Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate"
http://bit.ly/1rYigj

*******


What the???

There will be songs...poetry written about the time the America was fooled into nearly throwing everything away.

Fools.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (piMMO)

252 >>--Obama shocked! shocked that married people have sex.

Why is that so hard to believe? You've seen his wife....

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (/kI1Q)

253 We have done it! We have found the subject that Vic and I can agree on.

So, Vic, I welcome you to my RINO Empire. Please enjoy the complimentary beverage in the John McCain waiting room while we prepare your country club admission papers.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (OWjjx)

254 There is no proof that Obama specifically lied,

Dude ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 05:57 PM (X3lox)

255 What passport did he use to travel to Pock-E-Stahn on? The Kenyan or the Indonesian. Also, being a Kenyan raised in Indonesia, muslim AND 1/2 black! BaZingGa! Harvard admissions must have all cum in their pants at that. Sweet, sweet federal education dollars.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 17, 2012 05:57 PM (jucos)

256 His literary agent said "My bad." Unless people have unequivocable
proof that his literary agent is a liar, then any truppeting of this
will help Obama.



Breitbart.com goofed up big time.



Very true. It's a common mistake. Whenever I don't know where someone was born I simply assume "They must be from Kenya"


Go eat a dog, Political Hat.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 05:57 PM (z9HTb)

257 The wonderful thing about all the scorn that Birthers have received all these years is that because we were arguing that even if O was born in HI, he still wasn'ta "natural born citizen" per the Constitution (because BOTH his parents were not citizens), we were always told that it only mattered WHERE he was born and since hewas absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt born in HI, he was qualified. UMMMMMM, those who dished the scorn have set themselves up with that narrative because it just might be proven one day that he was in fact born in Kenya. HA!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 05:58 PM (KL49F)

258 246
The axelturfers are here.



Posted by: steevy


No kidding! Kind of an itchy group, aren't they?


Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 05:55 PM (Ky1+e)
That's because of all the crabs and scabbies

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:58 PM (mFIbw)

259 The composite narrative about Obama is starting to break down. People that were dismissive of information before are willing to listen now. Stuff that was floated before with no effect is starting to have an effect. Saying that you can't talk about stuff because what difference does it make is purposely depriving yourself of weapons in the middle of battle.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 05:58 PM (P6QsQ)

260 Dagny..... Yep a bunch of pussies.... They'd rather complain than do ANYTHING about ANYTHING!!!! We have a fucking proven time after time LIAR in the white house and oh well breitbart Is wrong? Breitbart better have proof? Wtf? Breitbart is the only media outlet doing anything to vet this scum...yeah I think breitbart is just shooting from their fucking hip just throw shit against the wall and seeing what sticks... But let's lay off the scoamt/f because for 16 years he was born in Kenya until he wasn't OMG

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 05:59 PM (CvLpE)

261 How did we not know about that article before?

Posted by: Tami at May 17, 2012 05:45 PM (X6akg)

-------

It's been out there for years....and other stuff too. ....But the prophylactic media has done such a good job of demonizing people as 'birthers' for just being curious about it....that it has gotten swept under the rug.

"Nothing to see here...move along. Or we will call you a 'crazy birther'!"

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 05:59 PM (dHMPi)

262 250

Maybe you should try reading more.

Posted by: Norman at May 17, 2012 05:59 PM (Qxdfp)

263 Could you people be any dumber or less informed?
Posted by: TomD


So it annoys you, does it?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (ebPtk)

264
What does it mean? It means da Zero is a bald faced liar, and also probably the Democrats have foisted the biggest scam in history on the voting public. This could be the end of the democratic/socialist/commie party.

Pretty please?

With sugar on top?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (d0Tfm)

265 There is no proof that Obama specifically lied

----------------

Where do you think his literary agent got his bio info from? Wikipedia? In 1991?

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

266 We have found the subject that Vic and I can agree on.


What's that? Justin Bieber, male, female, or hermaphrodite?

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (6TB1Z)

267 Scroll down the homepage here. We can talk about several things all in the course of a day. The pamphlet and the old burried headlines during Obama's senate run show there are legitimate questions about how Obama has been bullshitting the American public. Either then or now - take your pick. If you can't handle more than one topic in a day maybe this blog just isn't for you. Buh-bye.

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (Ky1+e)

***************

Unfortunately, those concerns have been overshadowed by baseless assertions with a distinct lack of proof.

Fair or not, the whole question has been tainted by the loonies, and is a loosing proposition for us.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (XvHmy)

268 Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (XvHmy)

Annddd... just where is the Statement CORRECTING that misconception from the Obama Campaign? Does it Exist? Is there a RETRACTION?

Seems to me, the campaign would have read the HEADLINE of this Local Piece on the Election, and if it had been in error, corrected it?

Just as Obama would have had plenty of opportunity to correct his Bio from the book? Yet did not do so?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (lZBBB)

269 Useful idiots.... I may just have a stroke after reading some of these comments

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (CvLpE)

270
Composite Dog: It's whats for dinner.

Posted by: sTevo at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (VMcEw)

271 Why have you been ducking me, mama winger?

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (z9HTb)

272 The left buys whatever the marxist say. They swallow every white glistening globule and then say, "Look, my leftywebsite says something different. You are stupid and misinformed."

Give it a rest, tard. You won't gain any traction here.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (mFIbw)

273 You guys tell your kids to run and hide if a bully shows up, don't you?


Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM


^^^ THIS ^^^

I love the reactions here and at Tepid Air. "Ooooh, it would be BAD OPTICS, or RACIST or something" to confront a serial liar with his lies, and demand that the most powerful individual (not calling Bark Obama a man, no-how) in the country 'fess up and TELL THE FRIGGIN' TRUTH for once.

Nope, so many people just can't be bothered, because Magic Pundits like Poppin' Fresh or Ramesh Ponnuru (who the hell is he?) think it is beneath them to expose the total bullshit spread by the SCoaMF. Even when the worthless America-hating dog-eater is caught in fresh lies and deception, he's given a friggin' pass.

I don't know where he was born. I'd like to know. There's other stuff we SHOULD know about the damned President of the freekin' United States.

But it's cool if he evades questions, hides facts, lies and attacks others, 'cause he's, like, President Historic First©. Blackdemocratium wins again.

I didn't realize we had so many sanctimonious cowards on "our side."

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (MQc8e)

274 Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (vbh31)

275 Political Hat , I'm not at all saying Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. However I am saying Obama had to have said to a few people He was born Elsewhere, for financial (book deals, perhaps college), or some interior satisfaction.

like warren.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (TomZ9)

276 The MSM won't care about this story because they all probably lie in their bios, too. Seriously.

Posted by: Joejm65 at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (UZuc4)

277 269 Axelturfers.

Posted by: steevy at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (7W3wI)

278 Axelturfer - a subspecies of Nequam Specus - Moenia Sus, Latin for "worthless cave-dwelling pig", or "Hippy" in modern parlance.

This type of invertebrate is closely related to sponges and other sessile filter-feeding animals but is primarily a parasite as it can catch, kill, grow, or produce nothing but noise and stench.

They are easily cleared from areas using Lysol and horsewhips.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 17, 2012 06:02 PM (YSyyZ)

279 But let's lay off the scoamt/f because for 16 years he was born in Kenya until he wasn't OMG

Yes, that's it. That's what the argument is about. Quit being a tool.

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 06:02 PM (6TB1Z)

280 I'm baaaack!

Posted by: The Squirrel at May 17, 2012 06:02 PM (96M6e)

281 "We don't know anything about this guy."

How many times have we heard this said about Obama?

And yet, when the vetting commences so does the handwringing.

Posted by: Sam I Am at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (AzwZn)

282 Why have you been ducking me, mama winger?


Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (z9HTb)
-----
I've been ducking you? Where? When? How?

I DEMAND ANSWERS!

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (P6QsQ)

283 Your _concern_ is noted, Political Hat.

Everyone else is right--he was lying then, or he's lying now. That can only be bad for his rapidly diminishing re-election chances.

Posted by: Palandine at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (g7D8V)

284 all these years is that because we were arguing that even if O was born
in HI, he still wasn'ta "natural born citizen" per the Constitution
(because BOTH his parents were not citizens)Posted by: Aslan's Girl


It's a distinction w/o a difference. Have you seen in any legal precedent or case where the origin of one's parents makes any difference to one's own residency?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (ebPtk)

285 That fact checker is in deep shit right now

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (nTgAI)

286 Political Hat, back in 2008, Gibbs said this?


His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, “has always been one of the most
important people in his life,” Gibbs said. “Along with his mother and
his grandfather,



(she raised him in Hawaii from the time he was born to
the moment he left for college.”}

Gibbs would not disclose her medical condition, other than to say it
was “very serious.” She was released from the hospital last week, Gibbs
said.so do we at all fight being bald faced lied to?

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (TomZ9)

287 Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 05:58 PM (P6QsQ)

AMEN!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (KL49F)

288 To be fair, even if he did commit fraud . . .

Biden's been acting even crazier than normal lately. He seems like he's gonna either stroke over or go on a killing spree.

Posted by: The Q at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (LnQhT)

289 253 We have done it! We have found the subject that Vic and I can agree on.

So, Vic, I welcome you to my RINO Empire. Please enjoy the complimentary beverage in the John McCain waiting room while we prepare your country club admission papers.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 17, 2012 05:56 PM (OWjjx)


***********

Well look the other thing is the Breitbart article itself links to two pieces in 1990 that say Obama was born in Hawaii.

The NYT piece that writes about Obama's becoming President of the Harvard Review and the Obama interview at the hyperlink right before that. (which I never could get to load.)

So unfortunately that knocks the wind out of the ails of the one Kenyan article. from the AP

-which up thread Purple Avenger makes this comment about:

How did we not know about that article before?

It was claimed that the damning sentence was a local renegade unsanctioned addition only in the Kenyan paper. Other AP instances of the piece omitted the sentence.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 05:49 PM (iCH2M)

(So it looks like they've got that covered.)

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (r2PLg)

290 Right on cue the Obama team has labled this story unimportant and calling anyone believing in this a "Racist".
I guess I can't blame their response because using ad hominem attacks worked so well for Democrats for so many years. Party's over. Again, you have overplayed the race, homophobe, sexist, war on women cards and a lot of people are pretty damned tired of being demonized.

Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (G+Wff)

291
well, if SNOPES said.....

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (cjTjM)

292 Very true. It's a common mistake. Whenever I don't know where someone was born I simply assume "They must be from Kenya"


Go eat a dog, Political Hat.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 05:57 PM (z9HTb)

***************

When birthers attack people who demand proof, they set-themselves up for ridicule.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (XvHmy)

293 280
I'm baaaack!


Posted by: The Squirrel


Exactly. Think about what's happening here. We're cutting each other up at a time when we should work together.

Don't believe O? Guess what, nobody does.

Wanna go after him? Fine, just don't demonize those who disagree with you based purely on strategic considerations.

Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (6TB1Z)

294 nevermind, i know , Obama never has to account for anything he does.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (TomZ9)

295 ANYBODY WANT ANY ICE CREAM?

*I really am Obama's Life Insurance at this point*

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (jucos)

296
I'll just tell them I'm from ....Kansa...Kau...Kurdist....KENYA.....YEAH!


THATS the Ticket !!



Posted by: Lovitz - compulsive liar at May 17, 2012 06:06 PM (zsgo8)

297 Sorry to be OT, but speaking of peoples ethnic background, the MFM has dropped white hispanic in favor of multi racial hispanic -

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man

Not really sure how that works, if he's multi-racial why does hispanic get top billing? Isn't he part black? Isn't it racist to not acknowledge his black part in favor of his hispanic part? Who decides which protected victim group you really are if you're a combo? Is there a panel somewhere specifically for this kind of thing?... http://tinyurl.com/76948os

Posted by: booger at May 17, 2012 06:06 PM (HI6wa)

298 I've been ducking you? Where? When? How?


I wished you a Happy Forth of Yooly in two previous threads.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:06 PM (z9HTb)

299 You guys tell your kids to run and hide if a bully shows up, don't you?

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 05:52 PM (mFIbw)


I told my son to defend himself, which would get him in trouble with the school, because of the new rules.

He defended himself, and got suspended for 2 days. Teacher told me he didn't start anything, but rules were rules.

Same sort of logic applies here, but a little more oblique.
If you don't have the resources to prove things (as Breitbart seems to have), don't go there alone. Bad things will happen.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 17, 2012 06:06 PM (Qxe/p)

300 What the hell happened to the press conference re Iran? One moment the cameras are live in the WH pressroom, then *crickets*.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 17, 2012 06:07 PM (piMMO)

301 Posted by: MrScribbler at May 17, 2012 06:01 PM (MQc8e)

One of the main reasons I left Hot Air for good in January. They are idiots, the lot of them (mods and commenters).

Ed always PURPOSELY got the Constitutional phrase about "naturalborn"wrong and was always misquoting it as "native born". He was wilfully obtuse.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:07 PM (KL49F)

302 Biden's been acting even crazier than normal lately. He seems like he's gonna either stroke over or go on a killing spree.
Posted by: The Q at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (LnQhT)-----He's mad about a straw man he creates(paraphrasing) "The middle class has dreams just like the RICH GUY!" Uh, Joe, who said they didn't?

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:07 PM (UpwlP)

303 Biden's been acting even crazier than normal lately. He seems like he's gonna either stroke over or go on a killing spree.
Posted by: The Q

He can always get a job at Dairy Queen

Posted by: Cheri at May 17, 2012 06:07 PM (G+Wff)

304 Not really sure how that works, if he's multi-racial why does hispanic get top billing? Isn't he part black? Isn't it racist to not acknowledge his black part in favor of his hispanic part? Who decides which protected victim group you really are if you're a combo? Is there a panel somewhere specifically for this kind of thing?... http://tinyurl.com/76948os
Posted by: booger at May 17, 2012 06:06 PM (HI6wa)
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We have to go with our "One Drop" rule here.......

Posted by: Ku Klux Klan at May 17, 2012 06:07 PM (jucos)

305 sigh.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (TomZ9)

306 When birthers attack people who demand proof, they set-themselves up for ridicule.


Let me know when you get in a conversation with a birther, fuck stick.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (z9HTb)

307 It's the birthers who are demanding truth. And if the long sought after conveniently produced birth certificate was true then why was he lying about his birthplace in his bio?


At a very very very bare minimum it shows him to be a con-artist. But we knew that already. Mr. Transparency, he ain't.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (mFIbw)

308 I have to say, I really don't care where Obama came from. All that matters is where he'll wind up after next January.

Posted by: Unemployed since February at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (ptP00)

309 Biden's been acting even crazier than normal lately. He seems like he's gonna either stroke over or go on a killing spree.

Don't joke about that. That was my first thought when Joe said, "I can still be president."

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (bjRNS)

310 No one cared much that Barky could only nail his birth hospital down to two. One of them Kana'pioliooili, put a letter from him (much later) thanking them for being his birth hospital, which they put on their site for fundraising until WND called them up and asked about it, at which point they took the letter down (it was an HTML facsimile of the letter) but they only commented the html out and left it up on their site for over a year.

That was weird, wouldn't you say? That was that piece of shit abercrombie who allegedly was the go-between, the one who was going to resolve everything the minute he became governor ... some years ago.

Again, it's not a matter of whether anyone thinks this or that is true. It's the fact that people were so quick to give the benefit of the doubt to a proven, pathological liar (we all understand that, by this point, I'm going to assume) when our nation was at stake. Still is.

I don't care if people don't want this played out - so long as he is impeached and thrown out for any of the tens of criminal and un-Constitutional acts he's committed in office. Hell, the Berlin campaign rally by itself should be enough. If not, the turning off of the AVS should be enough. If not, the $850,000 or whatever he funneld to ACORN for GOTV (and listed as "lighting expenses" ... oops) should be enough. If not ... I could go on for days with his crimes.

Just pick one and get the piece of shit out of office. Defend the Rule of at least ONE Law. Any one. The illegal Libyan war. The crimes and bribes in shoving ObamaCare through. The Senate seat auction ....anything. Pick one. If you don't like these let me know. I've got a dog-eater broken law for anyone to like.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (X3lox)

311 Weasel zippers has that scoamt released Hezbollah commander with American blood on his hands to Iraq

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (CvLpE)

312 When birthers attack people?

Where?

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:09 PM (mFIbw)

313 "Where do you think his literary agent got his bio info from? Wikipedia? In 1991?"

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

***************

I don't know where he got it and I don't have proof one way or another. Neither doesn't anyone else here.

Assertions and assumptions are not proof. Assertions like that are what brings most people to file birtherism under "tin foil hat."

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:09 PM (XvHmy)

314 "Am I crazy or do you all agree? What great trashy fiction do you wish we were all reading again?"

http://tinyurl.com/6p467fn


"A few months later, I came across a manuscript called China Boy
by an unpublished lawyer named Gus Lee. I fell in love with the book
and watched Jane make a great sale to Dutton and launch a talented
writer’s career. And, 17 years later, I still get a kick out of
holding a finished book in my hands and knowing that I played a part in
making it happen. Everyday, I look for the next brilliant novel, fun
beach read, gripping nonfiction narrative, inspirational memoir or
biography, and instructional self-help title."

http://tinyurl.com/7uherqt

Posted by: Marrium Goodwitch, Literary Genius at May 17, 2012 06:09 PM (vhwRj)

315 November cannot come soon enough. Can we agree on that? This is going to be a long, hot, tedious summer.

Posted by: jakeman at May 17, 2012 06:09 PM (96M6e)

316 " ...is playing into Obama's hands."

Yeah, if you're running for office, you want to be seen a huge fucking liar who changes his story to get what they want. Damn this Obama fellow is a crafty mother-fucker.

Birthplace - check

Made up girlfriend - check

Grades - check (the guy's a functional retard with a lot of self esteem)

Obamacare will lower healthcare costs and not raise the deficit - check

Covering his ass like a little lawyer bitch on killing Bin Laden - check


It all adds up, ya dumb fuck.

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (Ky1+e)

317 311 Weasel zippers has that scoamt released Hezbollah commander with American blood on his hands to Iraq

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (CvLpE)


See? I told you. THIS WAR IS LOST.

Posted by: Harry Reid at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (Qxe/p)

318 Breitbart has really started a revolution in new media.

Unfortunately, birther lunatics are gonna let the air out of our tires a little, but oh well. This is still gonna leave a credibility mark. President Composite is a serial liar.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (HfydS)

319 The funny thing is the timing. Wasn't it just this week that the CEO of Yahoo was shit-canned for an incorrect statement in his bio?

Posted by: Y-not at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (5H6zj)

320 I wished you a Happy Forth of Yooly in two previous threads.

-------

I did not see that. I am abashed and dismayed and apologetic. And also a little tipsy come to think of it.


Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (P6QsQ)

321 When birthers attack people who demand proof, they set-themselves up for ridicule.





Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:05 PM (XvHmy)


Do you really think with that mind?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (X3lox)

322 November cannot come soon enough. Can we agree on that? This is going to be a long, hot, tedious summer.

I can't agree on that. The period from November to January is going to bite.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (bjRNS)

323 All I know is that the TRUTH has to come out whether it's before or after the election. O must be exposed as the LIAR he is. If he's proven inelegible, even after Novemeber, all the laws he signed should be nullified (won't undo the damage he's done in the Middle East or to our allies, but will undo Ocare immdiately).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:11 PM (KL49F)

324 It's a distinction w/o a difference. Have you seen in any legal precedent or case where the origin of one's parents makes any difference to one's own residency?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (ebPtk)

Ambassadors children? British Citizens? (that little ole War of 1812 thing)... American Indians? Native Hawaiins?

In most countries, it is the Law that your parentage matters.... heck there are third Generation "Palestinians" in Jordan who are not Jordan Citizens... and don't even bother looking at Israeli Citzenship, if you are Jewish...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:11 PM (lZBBB)

325 Ynot

Same thought ran through my head

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 06:11 PM (CvLpE)

326 and is a loosing proposition for us.

Posted by: The Political Hat

Meaning the Obama campaign. Yeah, we got that.

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 06:11 PM (Ky1+e)

327
Meanwhile Moody downgrades 16 Spanish Banks after the market close.
What a week and we still have a Friday to look forward to.
http://tinyurl.com/7l948do

Posted by: YIKES! at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (fgJMi)

328 My history is evolving.

Layers, people.

And like an onion, it will leave you in tears.

Posted by: Barack the Composite at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (9s74/)

329 The period from November to January is going to bite. Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (bjRNS)

I stand corrected.

Posted by: jakeman at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (96M6e)

330 Guess who Breitbart wanted to talk with just before he died? Arpaio. Think about that.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (KL49F)

331 and is a loosing proposition for us.

Posted by: The Political Hat
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Loosing proposition?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (jucos)

332 303 He can always get a job at Dairy Queen.

No, no he can't.

Posted by: Kevin, Night Manager at Dairy Queen on 7th St. at May 17, 2012 06:12 PM (Qxdfp)

333 I dunno. He speaks fluent Swiss.

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (cYQg0)

334 I don't know where he got it and I don't have proof one way or another. Neither doesn't anyone else here.


No, we don't know precisely where the agent got the notion that Barry O is Kenyan.


How long is the list of suspects?

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (z9HTb)

335 Biden's been acting even crazier than normal lately. He seems like he's gonna either stroke over or go on a killing spree.
Posted by: The Q at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (LnQhT)

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If it's the latter, he needs to keep it intra-party.

Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (hmzjr)

336 It all adds up, ya dumb fuck.


Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 06:10 PM (Ky1+e)
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It also comes on the heels of another story out there where a Famous Politician slash Harvard Hack is shown to be an affirmative action liar for political and personal gain.The context is shifting, and Barry's latest bio adventure fits into an entirely different template now.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (P6QsQ)

337 Look, all this proves is that Barack Obama is and was always a lying two-faces shitty little conman who gamed the system.

He has not changed and his supporters are all disloyal socialists (but I repeat myself) or mind-numbed idiots.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (YSyyZ)

338 My fifteen minutes of fame are over already? Went faster than a plate of all-you-can-eat fish!

Posted by: Bill Wisth: Angry Customer at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (c3mby)

339 Political hat

Your hat is on way too tight.... It's losing....btw

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (CvLpE)

340 Maybe Austrian?

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (cYQg0)

341 "Annddd... just where is the Statement CORRECTING that misconception from the Obama Campaign? Does it Exist? Is there a RETRACTION?

"Seems to me, the campaign would have read the HEADLINE of this Local Piece on the Election, and if it had been in error, corrected it?

"Just as Obama would have had plenty of opportunity to correct his Bio from the book? Yet did not do so?"

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:00 PM (lZBBB)

***************

It is curious and it does raise questions. But "birtherism" has been so tainted with fringe loonies and so effectively demonized, that "rhetorical musing" about how this "raises concerns" will instantly get people labeled as tin foil hat wearing lunatics.

It is unfair, but if you want to blame anyone, you should blame people who bring ins assumptions and off-the wall theories.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (XvHmy)

342 Oh, and he was a foreign student when he went to Harvard. Whether that's b/c he was born in Kenya or adopted by an Indonesian when he was 6, he got his way paid at Harvard based on that. That's why he won't release his school records.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (KL49F)

343 IT'S NOT ABOUT WHERE HE WAS BORN!!

Some people don't get this. It's the slime of his snail trail that's important. People are catching to the fact that he's untrustworthy. That's the real story.

Posted by: Max Power at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (q177U)

344
I thought the birthers were the ones demanding proof and the others were the ones that were avoiding asking for proof. So far he hasn't "proved" enough to satisfy the DMV lady.
I'm pretty sure I'd be escorted out of the DMV if my "proof" consisted of a guy vouching that he saw the paper and its legit. Then I came back later with, "oh, just go to to the website where I posted a jpeg of the document".

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (UpwlP)

345 For you, mama winger: http://tinyurl.com/bu4dzcu

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (z9HTb)

346 Common mistake, until 2007 I thought I was born in Uzbekistan.

Posted by: Little Boomer at May 17, 2012 06:15 PM (3qM/W)

347 It is unfair, but if you want to blame anyone, you should blame people who bring ins assumptions and off-the wall theories.
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (XvHmy)
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So you would say you're concerned then?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 17, 2012 06:15 PM (jucos)

348 Been gone all afternoon. Come back to find this. So what's the skinny on it?

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 17, 2012 06:16 PM (ZHge+)

349 I found out in 2008 that the country I thought I was born in didn't exist.
Maybe it never existed.

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:16 PM (cYQg0)

350 It's a distinction w/o a difference. Have you seen
in any legal precedent or case where the origin of one's parents makes
any difference to one's own residency?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:03 PM (ebPtk)


Not the origin, but the citizenship of the parents. And not "residency" of the person but his nationality status - natural born or not. There's a clear difference, so don't muddle it up.

Chester Arthur seemed pretty convinced of it. But what the hell would he know about the natural born citizen clause and the normal interpretation?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:17 PM (X3lox)

351 The context is shifting, and Barry's latest bio adventure fits into an entirely different template now.
Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:13 PM (P6QsQ)

better than my version

Posted by: Max Power at May 17, 2012 06:17 PM (q177U)

352 @23: Jack Cashill is brilliant, by the way. He's the one who proved that Ayers wrote "Dreams".

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Hardly. Cashill didn't "prove" anything -- he merely came to a (biased) conclusion based on his assumptions about the writing. There's nothing methodically empirical about it.

As for his "brilliance," I once heard him spout on for an hour touting his book "proving" that Ron Brown (the Clinton Education Secretary who died in a plane crash) was actually assassinated by the Clinton Machine (see his "Ron Brown's Body" book). He's merely a bullshit conspiracy theorist and fabulist, as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm anything BUT an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Megyn Kelly Leg Shot at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (sTS/8)

353 Let me know when you get in a conversation with a birther, fuck stick.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:08 PM (z9HTb)

***************

Such eloquence!

It's posts like fluffy's that result in people dismissing it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (XvHmy)

354 Awwww fluffy .... thank you!


And all I got you was this big pile of lefse.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (P6QsQ)

355 The wonderful thing about all the scorn that Birthers have received all
these years is that because we were arguing that even if O was born in
HI, he still wasn'ta "natural born citizen" per the Constitution
(because BOTH his parents were not citizens)


Of course you were, sweetie.

Once a conspiracy theorist becomes vested in their belief, new evidence only serves to move the goalpost and/or prove the existence of the conspiracy, not refute the basic tenet of the theory (Obama was ineligible).

It's also the reason that someone like me knows better than to even attempt citing evidence, reason or logic when dealing with kooky conspiracy theorists. They'll endlessly modify their little theory and each time demand that the new and improved version be disproven, while offering either very weak or no evidence at all to back up their own nutty claim. Therefore, mockery and derision are preferred.

tl;dr- If you must insist on spouting Teh Crazy, stick to Hot Air whence you came.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (SY2Kh)

356 Ambassadors children? British Citizens? (that little ole War of 1812 thing)... American Indians? Native Hawaiins?




Hey, Vic, you'll be happy to know that our State department has been issuing American citizenships to the children of foreign diplomats, now. Yep.

Who needs a Constitution when you have an Ochlocracy?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:19 PM (X3lox)

357 346
Common mistake, until 2007 I thought I was born in Uzbekistan.


Posted by: Little Boomer at May 17, 2012 06:15 PM (3qM/W)

Don't they have the best whores? Or is that Turkmenistan?

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:19 PM (mFIbw)

358 I used to think I was Brazilian. Then my agent corrected me.

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (P6QsQ)

359 You are making an ---

"Assertions and assumptions are not proof. Assertions like that are what
brings most people to file birtherism under "tin foil hat." "

--- of yourself.....


Posted by: Political Hat's Subconscious at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (zsgo8)

360 Ron Brown's body lies moulderin' in de' grabe

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (cYQg0)

361 I am going to drink myself stupid.

That is all

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (U+GLW)

362 Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 17, 2012 06:02 PM (YSyyZ)

Watch it bub!

You do realize that pigs is where bacon comes from. And pork chops.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 17, 2012 06:21 PM (nEUpB)

363 Bacon!?

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:21 PM (cYQg0)

364 Watch it bub!

You do realize that pigs is where bacon comes from. And pork chops.

Ah pig , the mythical animal.... Homer Simpson

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (ZHge+)

365 "Neither doesn't anyone else here."

" ...and is a loosing proposition for us."


Shit, Political Hat. You really aren't very good at this. Let someone else at the ACORN office sit at the computer for a while. You suck.


Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (Ky1+e)

366 It's also the reason that someone like me knows better than to even attempt citing evidence, reason or logic when dealing with kooky conspiracy theorists. They'll endlessly modify their little theory and each time demand that the new and improved version be disproven, while offering either very weak or no evidence at all to back up their own nutty claim. Therefore, mockery and derision are preferred.tl;dr- If you must insist on spouting Teh Crazy, stick to Hot Air whence you came.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (SY2Kh)

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You should be a DNC campaign spokesman.

Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (hmzjr)

367 >ABC News reports autopsy found Trayvon Martin had the drug THC in his system - @ABC http://abcn.ws/Mp6H9I

I'll be, he <i>really</i> would be like my son then.

Posted by: Barack O at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (4x32q)

368 mama winger:
>> It also comes on the heels of another story out there where a Famous Politician slash Harvard Hack is shown to be an affirmative action liar for political and personal gain. The context is shifting, and Barry's latest bio adventure fits into an entirely different template now.

Can I get an amen? I hope somebody from breitbart.com reads this.

This is the attack to make. Obama = Elizabeth Warren. President Composite is a serial liar.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (HfydS)

369 If Preezy Gaylo had produced his birth certificate when asked instead of protecting it legal loopholes this would have never been an issue.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (mFIbw)

370 I don't think Obama Sr was Obama's real father.

-----

Werd.

Google up a picture of Obama, the senior, and a picture of Frank Marshall Davis.... then you tell me who he looks more like.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (ffV1/)

371
"Assertions and assumptions are not proof. Assertions like that are what
brings most people to file birtherism under "tin foil hat."
----
So if someone asserts that they have proof of citizenship, but never prove it, what are they? And no, a doctored image posted on a website isn't proof of anything.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (UpwlP)

372 It's posts like fluffy's that result in people dismissing it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (XvHmy)

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No. .....It is posts like yours that make people dismissive of...you.

Your continued "concern" for peoples interest in this topic is noted. ....Your message is loud and clear...."Shut up about this. Nothing to see here" ....Just like the Barky machine would have us do.

Is there an O-logo on that Hat?

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (dHMPi)

373 Such eloquence!


Thank you!


Now, to answer my eloquently phrased question, how many people would possibly have given the literary agent the idea that Barry O was born in Kenya?


This question is well below your pay grade, so I expect you to ace it. SWIDT?

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (z9HTb)

374 Wasn't this about the same time that Lizzie Warren was a Cherokee maiden and Obama was a Kenyan born warrior boy king. Or something like that. If you're at Harvard you cannot be a white schmuck. It simply isn't done.

Posted by: Bob at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (60WUT)

375 Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (XvHmy)

Yes, birtherism has been demonized.... by people exactly like you.

This type of person is so afraid of being laughed at by the Country Club Cocktail circuit set, that they will make fun of other people trying to find the truth...

Because thruth does not matter to the 'cool kids'... it only matters to be cool.

So... just continue to dismiss these LIES... ensure that you make fun of anyone trying to find the truth... continue to argue against ASKING the Question, of who wrote the bio, and where they got the information... and how even BEFORE the birthers even started, these many articles were out there... by people who SUPPORTED Obama...

After all, you would not want to be grouped with those yucky birthers...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:24 PM (lZBBB)

376 360
Ron Brown's body lies moulderin' in de' grabe


Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (cYQg0)

LOL

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:24 PM (mFIbw)

377 SCoaMF isn't from Kenya. That would be borderline slanderous. He's from Manchuria.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 17, 2012 06:24 PM (eHIJJ)

378 I am going to drink myself stupid.
That is all

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (U+GLW)

Cheers.

Posted by: ErikW at May 17, 2012 06:24 PM (gGAv0)

379 Do I even have to say it? If this were Bush....

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (ZHge+)

380 I'm getting the feeling that the president's mom was a career slut of mediocre proportions.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (UpwlP)

381 I used to think I was Brazilian. Then my agent corrected me.
Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (P6QsQ)

---------------------------------------------

I thought it was your hairdresser that corrected you. (Okay, okay, I'm denouncing myself)

Posted by: Soona at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (hmzjr)

382 >> Yes, birtherism has been demonized.... by people exactly like you.

And people like me, too. Birthers are idiots who reason backwards.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (HfydS)

383 Random aside: I was in DC as a high school student back in 1995, and Ron Brown plus two handlers came outta some random door of the U.S. Capitol building, and walked ahead of my mother and I for several blocks. Say what you will, but there was something kinda awesome about a cabinet official on the streets pseduo-anonymously like that. Nowadays, I doubt any commoners would ever see the same thing.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (kqGWM)

384 THEY JUST DONT GET US!

MY MOTHER AND FATHER SAID WE COULD DREAM OF BECOMING MILLIONAIRES!

THAT'S WHY ME AND BARACK WANT TO TAKE MONEY FROM MILLIONAIRES AND GIVE IT TO NON-MILLIONAIRES!

TO KEEP THAT DREAM ALIVE!

THEY JUST DONT GET US!

Posted by: Joe Biden Unplugged at May 17, 2012 06:26 PM (AzwZn)

385 Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (r2PLg)

I think it is more a matter of Obama allowing this idea of a dual birthplace to persist than it is that he was actually born in Kenya. It just further demonstrates what a political opportunist he is.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 06:26 PM (d6QMz)

386 Don't know why so many wingers cling to the left's meme on this. If you think the theory is bad then go after Preezy's not producing a birth certificate or lying to his editor. Oddly that's not cool enough? Only agreeing with the left gets you hard?

Kinky.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (mFIbw)

387 Now, to answer my eloquently phrased question, how
many people would possibly have given the literary agent the idea that
Barry O was born in Kenya?


This question is well below your pay grade, so I expect you to ace it. SWIDT?


Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (z9HTb)

and there's the rub, so everyone else all the way back to at least 91 made up that Barak was born in Kenya.cause he was sooo important , even writing Books about how awesome He is.
it's all just fkn weird, Srsly what did He have to say sooo important that got the attention of a publishing house in the first place?

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (TomZ9)

388 In most countries, it is the Law that your parentage matters....
heck there are third Generation "Palestinians" in Jordan who are not
Jordan Citizens... and don't even bother looking at Israeli Citzenship,
if you are Jewish...Posted by: Romeo13


So wait, we're using legal definitions from other countries now?

Um, no. The courts have consistently held that a person born in the us is a naturalized citizen. Period. There is no native born parentage crap.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (ebPtk)

389 379 Oh... Bush would have been chased under the White House by now

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (cYQg0)

390 The literary agent with impecable memory will be depositing a check for $150,000 in the bank tomorrow.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:28 PM (UpwlP)

391 385 Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 06:04 PM (r2PLg)

I think it is more a matter of Obama allowing this idea of a dual birthplace to persist than it is that he was actually born in Kenya. It just further demonstrates what a political opportunist he is.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 06:26 PM (d6QMz)

**********


Bingo!

(Shoot though we've got too much red on red.)

Posted by: tasker at May 17, 2012 06:28 PM (r2PLg)

392 383 I saw Harry Reid in Pentagon City Mall a week ago. I made retching sounds.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:28 PM (mFIbw)

393 The language was corrected two months *after* the campaign started. More proof Team Obama is both stupid *and* treasonous.

Posted by: LibertyAtStake at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (l7gWx)

394 Why am I so dismissive?

Perhaps it is because many of the "birther" advocates would rather insinuate grand conspiracy theories instead of simply presenting the evidence.

Fair or not, they have been pigeon-holed as conspiracy nuts. Whenever anyone has a legitimate concern, they are instantly dismissed because of the wackiness of the vocal few.

Bringing it up only allows the left to shout out about the kooks.

Even if definitive proof were made available, most people would reflexively dismiss it.

If you believe that being a "natural born citizen" requires both parents be citizens, and is not just another way of saying "citizen at birth," then provide proof (statues, court decisions, &c.).

Unless you have absolute and unimpeachable proof that Obama is not legitimate, then please kindly put your efforts to find that evidence instead of asserting facts not in evidence.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (XvHmy)

395 So all his friends and agents and business partners bragged about him being Kenyan for decades. And then in 2008 asking about whether he was from Kenya was all of a sudden the most racist, insane thing possible to think.

It became an official non-thought.

Fucking Orwellian motherfuckers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (ZPrif)

396 Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:18 PM (SY2Kh)

Don't know why you have to be such a jerkwad, "sweetie" esp. when we used to agree on stuff like Palin. As for me "coming" from Hot Air, I've been posting on the interwebs a lot longer than Hot Air was even around. I hardly "come" from HA. Besides, I've boycotted them since January and I've been a regular reader of Ace for at least four years. So, buzz-off. Only Ace or the cobs can tell posters to leave.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (KL49F)

397 I think it is more a matter of Obama allowing this
idea of a dual birthplace to persist than it is that he was actually
born in Kenya. It just further demonstrates what a political opportunist
he is.


Posted by: Miss80sBaby

well yes, but who actually started the idea of duality.
It seems Obama did to prosper in some fashion.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:30 PM (TomZ9)

398 Man-chew-ia?

Posted by: Dogalo Soldier in the heart of America at May 17, 2012 06:30 PM (q5fYz)

399 Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (XvHmy)

You're being toyed with, fool.

Run away.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 17, 2012 06:30 PM (nEUpB)

400 395 Joe, Exactly!

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 06:31 PM (TomZ9)

401
383 I saw Harry Reid in Pentagon City Mall a week ago. I made retching sounds.
-----
Was the Secret Service there? I hear its now a felony to do anything but clap if the Secret Service is on scene.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:31 PM (UpwlP)

402 OK, I see how this works now. The Obama team gets a tip that the Romney team (or PAC) is going to use something (in this instance, the Wright controversy) as a campaign weapon. Their media pals (NYT, ABC - I've heard it all afternoon) stir up a hornet's nest about the outrage of using such a tactic, forcing Romney to denounce the plan. Even though the original plan is scrapped, the media pals continue to denounce the candidate relentlessly, including those that funded the PAC threatening their business (and probably personal) interests as well.
"Ricketts Family Tries to Calm Storm in Chicago"
http://tinyurl.com/8x28cow
Message: Romney is Heartless and Don't Mess With Us or You Will Be Destroyed.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 17, 2012 06:31 PM (byR8d)

403 OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!

2000 JEWS STAYED HOME FROM WORK ON OBAMA'S BIRTHDAY!!!

FIRE CAN'T MELT BIRTH CERTIFICATES!!!! gOOGLE IT1!!11!!

Posted by: nickless at May 17, 2012 06:32 PM (MMC8r)

404 So, Political Hat, or may I call you PH? I realize you are enjoying a lot of attention, so it may take a while for you to answer this:


How many people would possibly have given the literary agent the idea that Barry O was born in Kenya?


But I know you can answer this in a direct and intelligent fashion.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:32 PM (z9HTb)

405 Message: Romney is Heartless and Don't Mess With Us or You Will Be

Destroyed.

You got it!

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 17, 2012 06:32 PM (ZHge+)

406 Hey, Vic, you'll be happy to know that our State department has been
issuing American citizenships to the children of foreign diplomats, now.
Yep.




Where did you see that? There is no question that that is unconstitutional unless at least one of the parents is already a citizen (which does happen some time). .

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:34 PM (YdQQY)

407 "Shit, Political Hat. You really aren't very good at this. Let someone else at the ACORN office sit at the computer for a while. You suck."

Posted by: Dang at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (Ky1+e)

***************

So only an amateur would ask for proof, and not be happy with assumptions and bias confirmations?

Sigh...

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:34 PM (XvHmy)

408 "So if someone asserts that they have proof of citizenship, but never prove it, what are they? And no, a doctored image posted on a website isn't proof of anything."

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (UpwlP)

***************

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:36 PM (XvHmy)

409 Um, no. The courts have consistently held that a person born in the us is a naturalized citizen. Period. There is no native born parentage crap.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (ebPtk)

Ummm... no... the laws on Citizenship in this country have evolved as well... and away from the Founders Origional intent.

the Founders were clear they did NOT want dual Citizenship, and it took a special act of Congress and Presidential approval to make Lafteyette, a dual French and honorary American, Citizen.

There is only ONE place, in law, where the 'Natural Born" standard applies, and that is to the Office of the Presidency, in the Constitution... it is a DIFFERENT Standard than citizen, or why not use the same terminology as the REST of the Offices?

Yes, modern law and the courts wish to not talk about that issue... just as it was the COURTS which started to allow Dual Citizenship...

But the distinction still exists in the Highest Law of the Land, the Constitution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:36 PM (lZBBB)

410 Obsessing and arguing about the details is fruitless. The point is that Obama is secretive and even after four years in office and many more in public life, nobody really knows who he is. He continues to hide the commonplace documents that would easily clear up the questions. What is true and what is a lie are beside the point....the point is that Obama cannot be trusted.

That's our argument. Keep it simple and don't get caught up in the details. He's dishonest, secretive, and evasive and we can't have someone like that as president.

Posted by: Mayday at May 17, 2012 06:36 PM (orrLR)

411 I thought the birthers were the ones demanding proof
and the others were the ones that were avoiding asking for proof. So
far he hasn't "proved" enough to satisfy the DMV lady.
I'm pretty
sure I'd be escorted out of the DMV if my "proof" consisted of a guy
vouching that he saw the paper and its legit. Then I came back later
with, "oh, just go to to the website where I posted a jpeg of the
document".

Posted by: Jimmah at May 17, 2012 06:14 PM (UpwlP)


But you can vote without any proof. That's gotta be worth something

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:37 PM (X3lox)

412 There are a couple of options here.

1) Barky is incompetent.

2) Barky is a liar.

Which to you prefer Political Hat?

Posted by: dogfish at May 17, 2012 06:37 PM (N2yhW)

413 "Your continued "concern" for peoples interest in this topic is noted. ....Your message is loud and clear...."Shut up about this. Nothing to see here" ....Just like the Barky machine would have us do.

"Is there an O-logo on that Hat?"

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (dHMPi)

***************

The "birther" position has been so tainted with conspiracies and so thoroughly dismissed by most people, that screeching about it does no one any good aside from Obama.

He's playing you people like a fiddle.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:38 PM (XvHmy)

414 So only an amateur would ask for proof, and not be happy with assumptions and bias confirmations?
Sigh...

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:34 PM (XvHmy)

Yet, you fabricate all sorts of dismissal of the only Proof we do have, the documents in question?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:39 PM (lZBBB)

415 "Assertions and assumptions are not proof. Assertions like that are what brings most people to file birtherism under "tin foil hat."


Posted by: Political Hat's Subconscious at May 17, 2012 06:20 PM (zsgo


We wanted it hashed out in court, like it should have been with real proof seen by real people who have real jobs, you blithering idiot.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:40 PM (X3lox)

416 Yes, modern law and the courts wish to not talk about that issue... just
as it was the COURTS which started to allow Dual Citizenship...




I thought congress did that some time in the 70s.

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:40 PM (YdQQY)

417 Unless you have absolute and unimpeachable proof that Obama is not legitimate, then please kindly put your efforts to find that evidence instead of asserting facts not in evidence.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:29 PM (XvHmy)

----------

His own attorneysrecently admitted to a judge in New Jersey, that the birth certificate the White House put online last year.....is a forgery.

Perhaps you missed this. ....All the usual people have been doing their best to ignore this recent event too.

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 06:41 PM (dHMPi)

418 Still waiting on an answer, PH.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:41 PM (z9HTb)

419 "412 There are a couple of options here.

"1) Barky is incompetent.

"2) Barky is a liar.

"Which to you prefer Political Hat?

Posted by: dogfish at May 17, 2012 06:37 PM (N2yhW)

***************

He's both. But circumstantial evidence does not cut it, nor does supposition or deduction. If you are going to publicly assert something, you had better have the proof with you.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:41 PM (XvHmy)

420 This is the attack to make. Obama = Elizabeth Warren. President Composite is a serial liar.



Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 06:22 PM (HfydS)


Check out iowntheworld. It's better than "=".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:42 PM (X3lox)

421 Willow @ 387

Exactly, remember the Chicago question: "Who sent you?"

Posted by: Jean at May 17, 2012 06:43 PM (RURIy)

422 Well there one thing we do know for sure...

He wasn't lying to get chicks.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 17, 2012 06:44 PM (N/1Dm)

423 "Now, to answer my eloquently phrased question, "how many people would possibly have given the literary agent the idea that Barry O was born in Kenya?

"This question is well below your pay grade, so I expect you to ace it. SWIDT?"

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:23 PM (z9HTb)

***************

Good question. I don't know. I don't have a difinitive answer. NEITHER DO YOU.

Chances are, Obama did tell the literary agent he was born in Kenya, and that the agent is covering for the SCoaMF. But that is not proof and I will not assert that it is the truth without the proof.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 06:44 PM (XvHmy)

424 You people like Hollowpoint that don't even acknowledge the possibility of the argument of those that say Obama was born in kenya remind me of Clinton's defenders during the Monica gate. You just keep backing to a fall-back position as the counter-arguement is chipped away bit by bit. Myself, I don't know, but every new piece of evidence turns Occam's razor to cut back to the so-called birther position.

I don't discount the theory that Barack Obama Sr. wasn't actually his father (The commie Davis theory). Heck, I don't even discount the theory that Stanley Ann wasn't actually his mother. But anyone, everyone, who tries to definitively say who his parents are and where he was born can't really make all the incongruities work out, birthers and anti-birthers alike.

The man is a walking, talking falsehood in the flesh.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 17, 2012 06:44 PM (92qCb)

425 And people like me, too. Birthers are idiots who reason backwards.



Posted by: sandy burger at May 17, 2012 06:25 PM (HfydS)


Eligibility is a positive thing. The person eligible has to prove it. I don't have to disprove it. The court was the place to settle it and there were more than enough decent cases presented. They got thrown out for lack of standing, because having a usurper in control of the levers of Executive power is not "an injury" to any individual. Right ...

As I said, even lefty turd Jonathan Turley thought this was bullshit.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:45 PM (X3lox)

426 On every one of my books, the bios had to be approved by me in writing, and this goes back to 1973.This process never varied, the galley proofs required writen approval, the bios and cover blurbs were part of it.

Posted by: MisterMoney at May 17, 2012 06:45 PM (wN82N)

427 The courts have consistently held that a person born
in the us is a naturalized citizen. Period.




Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 17, 2012 06:27 PM (ebPtk)


LOL. Is that your final answer? Do you know what a naturalized citizen is? Do you read the COnstitution as regards children of diplomats?

WTFFF?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:47 PM (X3lox)

428
Gateway Pundit has the 2004 AP article touting the SCOAMT as the Kenyan born man running for state senate.

Posted by: Justamom at May 17, 2012 06:47 PM (uEH3q)

429 He's playing you people like a fiddle.

Posted by: The Political Hat

---------

In order for them to be playing us, would not that necessitate them being somehow involved in the release of this information?

Posted by: mama winger at May 17, 2012 06:47 PM (P6QsQ)

430
I thought congress did that some time in the 70s.
Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:40 PM (YdQQY)

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)

The basic point of the Supreme Court's ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk was that the "citizenship clause" of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution -- while originally intended mainly to guarantee citizenship to freed Negro slaves and their descendants, and subsequently interpreted in Wong Kim Ark as conferring citizenship at birth to virtually everyone born in the US -- had effectively elevated citizenship to the status of a constitutionally protected right. Hence, Congress had no right to pass a law which had the effect of depriving an American of his citizenship without his assent.

Courts asserted that Congress could not pass a law to take away his citizenship... and this is the one that really opened the door to all kinds of crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:48 PM (lZBBB)

431
I and my family read the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration everytime we use the bathroom.
I'll be keeping them in the crapper until the communist is out if the White House.

Posted by: Justamom at May 17, 2012 06:49 PM (uEH3q)

432 Chances are, Obama did tell the literary agent he was born in Kenya, and
that the agent is covering for the SCoaMF. But that is not proof and I
will not assert that it is the truth without the proof.



I knew you had it in you.


This need not be proven. Simply presented as a question. "Waddaya think, undecided voter?" A good percentage of those that voted for that Hope 'n' Change claptrap will be swayed. More will be swayed by Barry's economic illiteracy, but we want to give the folks a whole buffet.

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:50 PM (z9HTb)

433 The most important thing here, to me, is that AB did have more. This is coming out in May, I can't to see what comes out in June, July, August...


Posted by: runninrebel at May 17, 2012 06:50 PM (N/1Dm)

434 Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:45 PM (X3lox)

Well... come on... he signed a form saying he was eligable....

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:50 PM (lZBBB)

435 397 well yes, but who actually started the idea of duality.
It seems Obama did to prosper in some fashion.



Obama wants to be seen as a well-educated "citizen of the world". Perhaps it is also something he wants to be true on a personal level.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 17, 2012 06:51 PM (d6QMz)

436
LOL. Is that your final answer? Do you know what
a naturalized citizen is? Do you read the COnstitution as regards
children of diplomats?
WTFFF?


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:47 PM (X3lox)
Not only that, but Slaves and Indians were automatically excluded from citizenship until 1868 for slaves, and until 1924 for Indians. Also People born in America who sided with the Loyalists in the Revolutionary war were not considered to be citizens.

I've got a butt load of information on this subject. There is a letter in a newspaper from 1811 written by James Madison in which he says that being born in a state is not sufficient to make one a U.S. Citizen.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 06:52 PM (IEUSX)

437 Where did you see that? There is no question that
that is unconstitutional unless at least one of the parents is already a
citizen (which does happen some time). .


Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:34 PM (YdQQY)


it was in a news story about a year ago.

Here's one link: http://opiniojuris.org/2011/07/11/ breaking-children-of-diplomats-getting-us-citizenship/

(Take the space out)

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 06:52 PM (X3lox)

438 I thought Afroyim v. Rusk only prevented someone who had dual citizenship from being stripped of citizenship because he voted in a foreign election.

I'll go find the case.

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:52 PM (YdQQY)

439 You should be a DNC campaign spokesman.

You should be a political consultant for Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who got nominated after Romney lost as you repeatedly predicted.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:52 PM (SY2Kh)

440 Well... come on... he signed a form saying he was eligable....
/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:50 PM (lZBBB)

-------------

Did he....really? ....I am asking, because I'm not so sure he did.

If he had accepted Public Funds during the campaign....he would have had to sign a legal document, swearing to and attesting that he was legally eligible to run for President. .....But he backed out of doing that.

Other than that...it was Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, who signed documents saying that he was eligible.

Posted by: wheatie at May 17, 2012 06:55 PM (dHMPi)

441
Courts asserted that Congress could not pass a
law to take away his citizenship... and this is the one that really
opened the door to all kinds of crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:48 PM (lZBBB)


The court in the case of Rogers v Bellei rulled that congress DID have the power to set conditions on citizenship. Aldo Mario Bellei LOST his American citizenship for failing to meet residency requirements as stipulated in the congressional statute.The court further opines that even 14th amendment citizens are not immuned from losing their citizenship.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 06:55 PM (IEUSX)

442 You should be a political consultant for
Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who got nominated after Romney lost as
you repeatedly predicted.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:52 PM (SY2Kh)

Nobody cares what you think.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 06:57 PM (IEUSX)

443 You people like Hollowpoint that don't even acknowledge the possibility
of the argument of those that say Obama was born in kenya remind me of
Clinton's defenders during the Monica gate. You just keep backing to a
fall-back position as the counter-arguement is chipped away bit by bit.
Myself, I don't know, but every new piece of evidence turns Occam's
razor to cut back to the so-called birther position.


Remind me again of the extraordinarily compelling evidence for the extraordinary claim that Obama was born in Kenya? Which hospital? Where's the Kenyan birth certificate (both long and short form)? Where's the newspaper birth announcement printed in the Kenyan newspaper?

Hint: Yelling FRAUD!!! FORGERY!!! isn't actually "evidence".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:58 PM (SY2Kh)

444 Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 06:48 PM (lZBBB)


You're right, here is the case

http://is.gd/U7pUug


They expanded the case beyond the actual event. The case was in 1967 and is incredibly bad law. Of course this was at the height of one of the most active and liberal court work in history.

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:58 PM (YdQQY)

445 The "birther" position has been so tainted with conspiracies and so
thoroughly dismissed by most people, that screeching about it does no
one any good aside from Obama.


I know that's the published "talking point". You can say it over and over and over and over and over and over but that doesn't make it true.

Why did he take so long to produce his birth certificate?
Why did he lie to the publisher?
Why did granny lie?


Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 06:59 PM (mFIbw)

446 Nobody cares what you think.

The Illuminati who are on their way to spray chemtrails over your house at this very moment seem rather taken with me.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:00 PM (SY2Kh)

447 215 Why is everyone so skittish about wondering about Obama's birth certificate? Have the Democrats and their racist crying assault teams put you in fear of your livelihood?

That just encourages them. Once they control the narrative, you're sunk. It's what they do. They're experts at it. Only answer is to not be cowed.

Theirs plenty of questions about Obama's birth and birth certificate. We don't let suspects claim they're innocent and let them go without an investigation into any allegations. Why does he get a pass because he says so?

Those on the right need to acquire some fortitude and not be fearful of the left. They're paper tigers for the most part. They can cause immediate damage but the worst move is to apologize or backtrack. Once you turn your back on an enemy and try to run the instinct is to chase and bring you down.

Stand your ground. If you're not making statements just asking questions why be diffident about it. Let them justify and provide provable facts.

So far they haven't, only raised more questions. By backing away from these things gives the Lame Media the opportunity to brand such questions "kooky" and not report on it. You know they're just looking for reasons not to report any facts about Obama.

Only those they must cover have the opportunities to get the questions out in the open for them to deny or admit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 17, 2012 05:50 PM (CP+yl)

DID WE GIVE UP WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR? YOU TURDS THAT ARE AFRAID OF THE LEFT CAN JUST KISS BITTER CLINGERS ASS!!

Posted by: Bluto at May 17, 2012 07:03 PM (92qCb)

448 All in all, an incredibly bad string of events for Baracka. I don't think he will be the dem nominee.

Posted by: nikkolai at May 17, 2012 07:03 PM (pSsN0)

449 Where's the newspaper birth announcement printed in the Kenyan newspaper?

Tsk. No paper but there's an old lady who remembers the drumming.

Posted by: Dagny at May 17, 2012 07:03 PM (mFIbw)

450 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 06:55 PM (IEUSX)

but later sorta changed their minds... and said voting in another countries election, or serving in their military, does not give up your citizenship...

You now have to go and sign a form at the US Consulate, and nothing else you do seems to matter.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 07:05 PM (lZBBB)

451 The worst thing about autofellatio is your hat always falls off.

Posted by: Axelro... I mean, Political Hat, Yeah that's the ticket at May 17, 2012 07:06 PM (92qCb)

452 Remind me again of the extraordinarily compelling
evidence for the extraordinary claim that Obama was born in Kenya? Which
hospital? Where's the Kenyan birth certificate (both long and short
form)? Where's the newspaper birth announcement printed in the Kenyan
newspaper?

Hint: Yelling FRAUD!!! FORGERY!!! isn't actually "evidence".


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 06:58 PM (SY2Kh)

Come over to Free Republic and let me beat the dog shite out of you. I've whipped ten little children such as yourself at the same time. I will make you squeal like Ned Beatty before i'm done with you.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:06 PM (IEUSX)

453 Oh, and this is an excellent example of conspiracy theorists moving the goalposts as I mentioned above:

I don't discount the theory that Barack Obama Sr. wasn't actually his
father (The commie Davis theory). Heck, I don't even discount the theory
that Stanley Ann wasn't actually his mother. But anyone, everyone, who
tries to definitively say who his parents are and where he was born
can't really make all the incongruities work out, birthers and
anti-birthers alike.


How convenient. Obama was born in Kenya... wait- that's not true? No problem! Now disprove who his father and mother really were! Then prove that he's a "natural born citizen" under the definition that the long dead Founding Fathers intended!

Conspiracy theories never die, they just change shape.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:07 PM (SY2Kh)

454
They expanded the case beyond the actual event.
The case was in 1967 and is incredibly bad law. Of course this was at
the height of one of the most active and liberal court work in history.


Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 06:58 PM (YdQQY)

Look up Rogers v Bellei. It established that born citizens can have their citizenship stripped away, which makes them distinctly different from "natural born citizens."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:08 PM (IEUSX)

455 Come over to Free Republic and let me beat the dog shite out of you.
I've whipped ten little children such as yourself at the same time. I
will make you squeal like Ned Beatty before i'm done with you.


Free Republic won't let me join. I exceeded their double-digit IQ requirement.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:08 PM (SY2Kh)

456 The Illuminati who are on their way to spray chemtrails over your house at this very moment seem rather taken with me.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:00 PM (SY2Kh)

Here he goes with his childish little "conspiracy" accusations. You wouldn't last fifteen minutes in a real debate situation. You are a one pump chump.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:09 PM (IEUSX)

457 #360 Pickles the Cat? Is is really you? Are you still a firecat?

Posted by: the Butcher at May 17, 2012 07:10 PM (8g9qq)

458 234

"We hit Obama with birth questions/economy/SS card/foreign policy disasters/college transcripts/school grades/oil pipelines/national debt/attorney general corruption/ fast and furious/etc.

Most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Unrelenting daily attacks. Keep the Dems off balance. Have THEM react for a change.

Posted by: jjmurphy at May 17, 2012 05:53 PM (xjEAl)

And eating a dog. Don't forget the dog eating.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 17, 2012 07:10 PM (92qCb)

459
The unbelieveable part of this is that I had no idea that Obama himself had served to create the rumors of his Kenyan birth. I thought it all went back to an idle comment by his grandmother in Kenya, which she backed off from when pressed on it.

Realistically, to believe Obama was actually born in Kenya is to believe that his teenage mom - of modest means - shelled out a lot of money for plane fare (it was super expensive back then) so that she could give birth her husband's homeland, and then hopped on another plane and came right back. With a baby - who might well have needed an extra ticket, and who would have undoubtedly left an extensivepaper trail. It's just too much.

But having Obama pull a Warren, saying he was something he was not, because he thought it would sound cool to the right people? That sounds EXTREMELY credible.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2012 07:11 PM (As94z)

460 Thank God or CAC, we can get off the blood wars of birther and Zimmer/Travon

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 07:14 PM (YdQQY)

461
but later sorta changed their minds... and said
voting in another countries election, or serving in their military, does
not give up your citizenship...



You now have to go and sign a form at the US Consulate, and nothing else you do seems to matter.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 07:05 PM (lZBBB)

I think you are mistaking Rogers v Bellei for another case. Aldo Mario Bellei was born to an American Citizen, and acquired birthright citizenship through his mother per a congressional statute.
He was sent notice that he had to report for the draft which he refused to do. The draft comittee informed him that if he failed to report for the draft he would lose his American citizenship. He did not report and they sent notice to the state department requesting that it be revoked. Bellei found out it was revoked and sued to have it reinstated.
The court ruled that congress had the power to grant "naturalized" citizenship, but they also had the power to set conditions for it. As Bellei failed to meet the conditions, his citizenship remained revoked.
The point is, begin "born" a citizen, is not the same thing as being a "natural born citizen." A natural born citizen cannot lose their citizenship for failure to meet residency requirements.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:14 PM (IEUSX)

462 worng thread its for new one.

Posted by: Vic at May 17, 2012 07:14 PM (YdQQY)

463
Free Republic won't let me join. I exceeded their double-digit IQ requirement.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:08 PM (SY2Kh)

Whoever told you that you had a double digit IQ, lied. Perhaps they were talking about your turd size?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:16 PM (IEUSX)

464 457 I am the product of modern taxidermy

Posted by: Pickles The Cat at May 17, 2012 07:16 PM (lpWVn)

465
As to Obama's biological father not being "Sr", well, anything's possible with that family. But I discount the idea that his mom was not his mom. Seems like I've seen a photo of her with some close relatives, and Obama looks a lot like one of them (his maternal grandfather, IIRC). I don't think he looks anything like his father.

But let it not go unmentioned that "Sr" was previously married, meaning that "Jr's" parents were not LEGALLY married. Let us enjoy calling him exactly what that makes him - even though I don't like slamming people for stuff that isn't their fault.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2012 07:19 PM (As94z)

466 Is this when I can say that if THIS is what Breitbart was sitting on, it makes me slightly more suspicious of,his death?

Posted by: Clp at May 17, 2012 07:20 PM (6XGjA)

467 Realistically, to believe Obama was actually born in
Kenya is to believe that his teenage mom - of modest means - shelled
out a lot of money for plane fare (it was super expensive back then) so
that she could give birth her husband's homeland, and then hopped on
another plane and came right back. With a baby - who might well have
needed an extra ticket, and who would have undoubtedly left an
extensivepaper trail. It's just too much.

But having Obama pull a
Warren, saying he was something he was not, because he thought it would
sound cool to the right people? That sounds EXTREMELY credible.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2012 07:11 PM (As94z)
And now you are catching up to a lot of Freepers opinions on this subject. There is quite a bit of evidence to indicate Obama was NOT born in Kenya. Barack Obama Sr. could barely afford to feed himself, let alone fly him and Stanley Ann to Kenya where his existing wife (and father who hated the idea of him being with a white woman) would be waiting.
Obama Sr worked a summer job in a Pineapple processing facility just to help him pay for his living expenses. There was no money for a long and pointless trip to Kenya. Barry just nursed the Kenyan Narrative because he felt it would work to his advantage politically.
American Thinker has an excellent article entitled "Why Obama was not born in Kenya." It details some of the evidence against a Kenyan birth.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:20 PM (IEUSX)

468
But let it not go unmentioned that "Sr" was
previously married, meaning that "Jr's" parents were not LEGALLY
married. Let us enjoy calling him exactly what that makes him - even
though I don't like slamming people for stuff that isn't their fault.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2012 07:19 PM (As94z)
Obama has a very strong resemblance to his Grandfather, Stanley Dunham. I have no doubt whatsoever that Stanley Ann Dunham is his mother.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:23 PM (IEUSX)

469 Here he goes with his childish little "conspiracy" accusations. You
wouldn't last fifteen minutes in a real debate situation. You are a one
pump chump.


In a real debate I assert that my opponent is shape-shifting alien imposter inserted by the CIA and therefore not eligible to share the debate stage.

Unless they can prove otherwise to my complete and total satisfaction, I win. And my standard of proof involves an autopsy performed by Elvis.

Elvis Costello I mean. Not the other Elvis. That would be unreasonable.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:23 PM (SY2Kh)

470 I want even more for him to lose and lose badly
because he's been exposed as the lying fraud he is. I want him in tears.
I want him forced to confront the lie that he is and always has been,
until he suffers a total cognitive break and meltdown. I want him to
emerge saying "I guess Joe Biden was the smart one. Shoulda listened to
him".


Posted by: pep at May 17, 2012 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)

Oh, honey, I want a landslide with the US map blood red. I want defeat of the highest order for Buhrock and all Democrats that brought his ilk into our midst. I want to hear wails and despair, with tears on the faces of Chris Matthews and others.
Two Hundred Forty Seven (247) days until Barry is dragged up the steps of Marine One for his last weak wave to his adoring public (maybe five people) after President Romney is sworn into office...with Mooch slouching next to him holding his arm in the vise of her muscular hands. She will later flay him alive with her boob belt en route to Chicago, where he will then be locked in a dungeon forevermore. A girl can dream, can't she?
January 20, 2013 should be declared, after the cleansing and fumigation of the White House, a national holiday for all. It will be for me and I will not be sober.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky Wildbeast Seminole Chick at May 17, 2012 07:24 PM (baL2B)

471 Whoever told you that you had a double digit IQ, lied.

Unquestionably.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 17, 2012 07:26 PM (SY2Kh)

472 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:14 PM (IEUSX)

I was talking about the current Legal framework, both from these cases, changes in Law, and changes in Regulations.

The Feds no longer seem to care about Citizenship matters... and have gone the World Citizen route IMO... where being an American is nothing special.

You CAN loose your citizenship for serving in another Army, or voting in another countries election, but apparently only if you did this meaning to also give up your US citizenship, which the State Dept. says means signing the form to give up your US Citizenship....

or to paraphrase, is a law, a law, if it is not enforced?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 07:29 PM (lZBBB)

473 But let it not go unmentioned that "Sr" was previously married, meaning that "Jr's" parents were not LEGALLY married. Let us enjoy calling him exactly what that makes him - even though I don't like slamming people for stuff that isn't their fault.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 17, 2012 07:19 PM (As94z)

Yup... so callin him a Lie'n Bastard, is the literal truth?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 07:32 PM (lZBBB)

474 You CAN loose your citizenship for serving in
another Army, or voting in another countries election, but apparently
only if you did this meaning to also give up your US citizenship, which
the State Dept. says means signing the form to give up your US
Citizenship....



or to paraphrase, is a law, a law, if it is not enforced?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 07:29 PM (lZBBB)

Oh, I see. Sorry, it's difficult to keep the thread strait when you have to go hunt up what message the quote came from. Yeah, American Citizenship doesn't mean what it use to.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:36 PM (IEUSX)

475 Well...surprise! Here is the excuse on Yahoo News for the "mistake:"

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency
assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo
News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of
his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he
was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your
readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

Also, the White House had no comment. Many heads spinning tonight for Jay Carney tomorrow. He will call this a "distraction." Place yer bets.

So...it WAS an "error" in "fact-checking!" My bad! Simple mistake!!!

I know I am often having to correct my own birthplace (Heart of Dixie) with the mistake that it was Norway or Sweden or Lithuania. This has happened frequently on passports, with the DMV and enrollment in colleges. I mean, it happens all the time, y'all.

What? We have never seen Barry's records? There will be a sudden influx of doctored documents flooding the webs. It is all the birther's faults. This is a distraction from the real issues of the Republicans, who cannot even pass a budget (oops, can't use this one!). This is a distraction from the economy and the debt counter behind Romney (oops, can't use this one!). This is a distraction of who killed Bin Laden.

This Goderich lady should be held responsible for not correcting this "error" for 16 years.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Lithuanian by mistake at May 17, 2012 07:41 PM (baL2B)

476 137 O/T With all the war drums over Iran, thought I would look at moon phases. May 21th no moon light. June 19th AND 20th no moon light.

--------

Most importantly, May 20th = annular eclipse of the Sun. Most of the western US will have a good view of at least a partial eclipse around sundown. Scope out your viewing spots before the hoarders get to them.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 17, 2012 07:45 PM (NmR1a)

477 If I had a son, he'd look like Elena Kagan.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known As Mr. Barky at May 17, 2012 07:49 PM (SsOlN)

478 "This need not be proven. Simply presented as a question. "Waddaya think, undecided voter?" A good percentage of those that voted for that Hope 'n' Change claptrap will be swayed. More will be swayed by Barry's economic illiteracy, but we want to give the folks a whole buffet."

Posted by: fluffy at May 17, 2012 06:50 PM (z9HTb)

***************

The problem is that many of the people who deny Obama's citizenship don't just innocently ask questions, they make assertions or ask them rhetorically.

It also begs the questions of what lead them to ask such questions to begin with, i.e. what is their ulterior motive?

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 07:57 PM (XvHmy)

479 142, 165, 172, 173 .....

Don't know if others spotted this: That headline and story were in a Kenyan Newspaper - not exactly the most credible source.

Posted by: Old Bob at May 17, 2012 07:58 PM (0+Nue)

480 "Look up Rogers v Bellei. It established that born citizens can have their citizenship stripped away, which makes them distinctly different from "natural born citizens."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 17, 2012 07:08 PM (IEUSX)

***************

Rogers v Bellei does not differentiate between "natural born citizen" and "citizen at birth." It held that children of an American citizen born abroad, though a citizen at birth, had to take proactive action in order to avoid losing it.

Rogers v Bellei actually talks about "natural born citizen" and being a citizen at birth via the 14th amendment in the same light in referring to the "native born."

To be fair, the dissention opinions are similar to DiogenesLamp's.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:06 PM (XvHmy)

481
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 07:57 PM (XvHmy)


Oh, stop already. You intentionally confuse "citizenship" with "natural born citizen" because you know that you're full of shit. You're like those assholes who love to say "immigrants" when the discussion is about "illegals". You lie like a banshee. You claim that you can't talk about anything that you haven't witnessed with your own two eyes ... in which case you should just shut your trap, already.

You are an ass.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:07 PM (X3lox)

482 It also begs the questions of what lead them to ask such questions to begin with, i.e. what is their ulterior motive?

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 07:57 PM (XvHmy)

Uh... Obama's birth outside the US was in HIS Bios long before there was a 'birther' movement.

When that is in his Literary Bio from 1991, and NOT CORRECTED? When it is in the Newspaper, and NOT CORRECTED? Do you wonder then why suddenly, out of 'nowhere' the birthers got that idea?

When you tell a LIE, people tend to believe you... even when you try to correct it later...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:10 PM (lZBBB)

483 Barky tells the Political Hack that he's ineligible and the Political Hack calls him a liar.

Useful idiot for the left.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:12 PM (X3lox)

484 That's about the most pithy I've ever seen Cashill. Trust me, the man can turn a short sentence into a Novella.

Other than that, quite the interesting story...

Posted by: HH at May 17, 2012 08:13 PM (v+ExF)

485 But can he run fast? We need to see him run a couple of miles.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 17, 2012 08:18 PM (UljOc)

486 "Oh, stop already. You intentionally confuse "citizenship" with "natural born citizen" because you know that you're full of shit. You're like those assholes who love to say "immigrants" when the discussion is about "illegals". You lie like a banshee. You claim that you can't talk about anything that you haven't witnessed with your own two eyes ... in which case you should just shut your trap, already."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:07 PM (X3lox)

"483 Barky tells the Political Hack that he's ineligible and the Political Hack calls him a liar."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:12 PM (X3lox)

***************

I am not "confusing" "natural born citizen" with citizen at birth. They mean the same thing. That is consistent with statutory history regarding citizenship and naturalization, specifically that do differentiation was ever made in the same statute.

No one has ever provided any evidence that "natural born citizen" and "citizen at birth" were two distinct things, and that "natural born citizen" required both parents be citizens or whatnot.

But hey, if you want to believe Obama over someone who is working to kick him out, then you are free to do so.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:19 PM (XvHmy)

487 ChristyBlinky said;;;;;"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency

assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo

News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of

his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he

was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your

readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

wow that actually was a quick response for a nothingburger.

laughing my azz off!
somewhat curious isn't it.

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 08:26 PM (TomZ9)

488 I am not "confusing" "natural born citizen" with citizen at birth. They mean the same thing.

They didn't to Chester Arthur. He was a hack, though ... obviously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:28 PM (X3lox)

489 Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:19 PM (XvHmy)

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[6]

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:28 PM (lZBBB)

490 But hey, if you want to believe Obama over someone who is working to kick him out, then you are free to do so.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:19 PM (XvHmy)


That's chutzpah, there, Hack.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 17, 2012 08:29 PM (X3lox)

491 Minor v. Happersett – wherein the Supreme Court stated:
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.


So the Supremes had doubts as to your definition....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:29 PM (lZBBB)

492 so i guess "birthers" went to the way back machine and stuffed this misinformation in so they could in the future have something to talk about.

laughing, it's all so crazy , Well sir i have no idea why some would question where i came from. it's really asinine isn't it?

Posted by: willow at May 17, 2012 08:29 PM (TomZ9)

493 "Unrelenting daily attacks. Keep the Dems off balance. Have THEM react for a change.


Posted by: jjmurphy"

THIS. Let's play with this particular cat toy for a while, then knock it under the couch. There are several more in the basket that we can bat around, all the while knocking them off balance. Why don't we point out a few SQUIRRELS? We've got plenty of time to point out the shitty economy, which keep getting worse every day...

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at May 17, 2012 08:32 PM (d6TfZ)

494 We've got plenty of time to point out the shitty economy, which keep getting worse every day...

The more time goes on before focusing on this, the less Obama can keep blaming Bush, and the more desperate he'll appear if he does so.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 17, 2012 08:41 PM (W2YAY)

495 "Minor v. Happersett... So the Supremes had doubts as to your definition...."

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:29 PM (lZBBB)

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:28 PM (lZBBB)

***************

Minor v. Happersett said that persons born in a country and of parents who were citizens were beyond doubt citizens. It did not exclude others from being a native citizen. The fact that said court case contrasts those citizens with "aliens and foreigners" clearly implies that there was not option for could be a citizen at birth (i.e. a native born citizen) who was not a citizen.

That case is irrelevant since United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (189 holds differently, and that decision has been held since the century before last. If you want to overturn that by subsequent SCOTUS decision or Constitutional amendment, feel free to do so. Jus Soli is part of common law, and the Wonk Kim Ark decision is consistent with that.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:42 PM (XvHmy)

496 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Richard Milhouse Nixon at May 17, 2012 08:53 PM (HiKk0)

497 Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 08:42 PM (XvHmy)

Except that Wong v ArK did NOT address the 'Natural born' question... it addressed being born here, and citizenship... but does not create a definition of Natural Born Citizen...
Please point out any other Supreme Court Case, that States the definition of NATURAL BORN Citizen, especialy as it pertains to the Office of the Presidency.

Because its pretty clear to me the Founders were worried about the Divided Loyalty, and Legal problems, of having the Commander in Chief be a Dual Citizen... which is why for that Office, and that Office alone, they set a 'different' standard...

Remeber, this was written when British Law, had American Seamen being impressed by the English Navy, if their FATHERS had been British Citiznes.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:57 PM (lZBBB)

498 While it's good news that the "birthers" have been vindicated, you people don't get it. The Birth Certificate issue has been a stonewalling tactic by the Administration all along.

Ask yourself what is Obama really hiding?

Posted by: DogFood at May 17, 2012 09:09 PM (i8kYR)

499 Ask yourself what is Obama really hiding?

Posted by: DogFood at May 17, 2012 09:09 PM (i8kYR)

Let any of these court cases get standing, so discovery can happen, and we'll find out...

Which for many of us, has always been the end game...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 09:22 PM (lZBBB)

500 Keep this story alive, Dems! It was a winner in 2008 and it's a winner in 2014. Every loudmouthed birther is a walking campaign ad for Obama.

Posted by: Jordan at May 17, 2012 09:22 PM (RSG1I)

501 Posted by: DogFood at May 17, 2012 09:09 PM (i8kYR)

And the answer would be?

Certainly not like everyone doesn't knows he's a lefty borderingon communism.

Got anything else?

Posted by: HH at May 17, 2012 09:25 PM (v+ExF)

502 His mother was a citizen. He is a citizen.

Obama isn't afraid it would be discovered he was born in Kenya.

Obama is afraid people will find out he TOLD people he was born in Kenya, that his fabrications will be revealed.

When his school records and financial aid records are revealed, so are all his associations that got him to those vaunted educational temples.

Wright said he was "selected" before he was "elected". He is the radical lefts Manchurian candidate. The birth issue makes people want to see his records, and he can't have that.

Posted by: thunderb at May 17, 2012 09:32 PM (Dnbau)

503 Posted by: thunderb at May 17, 2012 09:32 PM (Dnbau)

Ahhh, got it. Sort of another 'Cherokee' at Harvard.

Yeah, I can see where you would hidden that...

Posted by: HH at May 17, 2012 09:36 PM (v+ExF)

504 Damnit, you morons. Voters who declare themselves Independent are NOT weak-minded. To them, and myself, it means they hate both established Parties. It is a difficult choice to make for them to vote for an established Democrat, or Republican. The Independent philosophy is to vote for the least Evil Party, on a per Representative basis. True Independents are the most honest of all voters. Dems and Republicans are inherently biased by hatred of the other, and thus blind to any mature solution involving compromise.

Posted by: does not mean what you think at May 17, 2012 09:37 PM (/bZiB)

505 @HH #501

His Business dealings with convicted felon, Tony Rezko.
His frequenting of a gay bathhouse in Chicago called "Mans Club".
His laundering of 300 million of drug money through California to fund his campaign and the 3 mysterious deaths to cover it up.

And of course his phony social security number, his fake draft card, and of course funding his college career by the Saudi Royal family.

The list goes on and on, the phony birth certificate fiasco is just a smokescreen ( not that it's not true, I'm just saying their is much worse that he is hiding )...

It's all out there, you just have to look.

Posted by: DogFood at May 17, 2012 09:38 PM (i8kYR)

506 Goddam it, my hash has changed AGAIN!

Well, if nothing else, I'm the same moron I've always been...

Sheesh

Posted by: HH at May 17, 2012 09:41 PM (v+ExF)

507 > 506
Goddam it, my hash has changed AGAIN!



are you using a wireless 4g modem? Mine changes all the time, making hash tags worthless...

Posted by: does not mean what you think at May 17, 2012 09:45 PM (/bZiB)

508 This is some funny shit, right here. And, even if it's bullshit, kudos to Drudge for putting it front and center all day.

Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2012 09:45 PM (kpCLl)

509 Goddam it, my hash has changed AGAIN!

Mine did that every day for quite a while after I moved last summer. Now it's happening again. I have hard-wired TWC cable internet. It's probably low on the list of things to get worked up about.

Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2012 09:46 PM (kpCLl)

510 Was listening to Savage and he read an ABC news report wherein some woman he called "good wrench" claimed to have been an intern at the time, she's now a firm principle, and claimed that she wrote it and didn't fact check and it's much ado about nothing. Savage opined that it's over and done with now.

He also maintained that romney is the Manchurian losing candidate and had a lot of good reasons to back his opinion up.

Posted by: wonder at May 17, 2012 10:14 PM (oZfic)

511 509
Goddam it, my hash has changed AGAIN!

Mine did that every day for
quite a while after I moved last summer. Now it's happening again. I
have hard-wired TWC cable internet. It's probably low on the list of
things to get worked up about.


Posted by: Peaches at May 17, 2012 09:46 PM (kpCLl)
I wish mine would change. I've tried everything, it is still constant and I don't know why. Even when I'm posting on the iphone it's the same hash, even when I'm in a different state, it's the same hash. It's exasperating.

Posted by: wonder at May 17, 2012 10:15 PM (oZfic)

512 "Except that Wong v ArK did NOT address the 'Natural born' question... it addressed being born here, and citizenship... but does not create a definition of Natural Born Citizen... "

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 17, 2012 08:57 PM (lZBBB)

***************

"Natural Born Citizen" and "citizen and birth" both the same thing. That is consistent with statutory and judicial precedent.

Show me where "natural born citizen" does not mean a citizen at birth in statue, SCOTUS ruling, or anywhere else.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 17, 2012 10:20 PM (MJxgk)

513 #510 Savage is either an idiot or a mole. This isn't over with by a long shot.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 17, 2012 10:21 PM (GoIUi)

514 Ha! My hash just came up as GoIUi. I graduated from Indiana University at Indianapolis. Cue spooky music.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 17, 2012 10:23 PM (GoIUi)

515 Birthers may be right.
Dualers may be right. His father was a Kenyan before Kenyatta.
Dualers may also be right: L'il Barry was adopted by Soetoro, an Indonesian, and may have used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in his college days for, umm, it wouldn't be camel-fucking, because there really aren't that many camels in Pak. (Of course, in a dynamic, growing Muslim country like Pak., a significant portion of the population is pre-pubescent boys, and where else would an Ivy League stud go on his summer vac.?)

Posted by: Thorvald at May 17, 2012 10:28 PM (OhenJ)

516 @510

Michelle stated in a speech she went to Obamas birthplace, Kenya.

Obamas grandmother said she witnessed his birth in a hospital in Kenya.

Obama has spent over a million dollars to keep the Birth Certificate issue out of court.

Are you blind, you have to be completely naive not to see that it's true.

Posted by: DogFood at May 17, 2012 10:35 PM (i8kYR)

517 "...You know why the Obamas and press mocked birthers for a long time..."

I'm pretty sure you meant why Ace and Drew, mocked "birthers", etc...

The guy is a quisling, anti-white, anti-america, POS, and "ace", who loves the same military Barry hates and abuses, STILL can't just say it. Pathetic.

Posted by: Sweep the leg at May 17, 2012 11:21 PM (XCfdp)

518 I don't know what the problem is... isn't Kenya one of the 57 states?

Posted by: Carmelita at May 17, 2012 11:38 PM (Y/2U4)

519 Birtherism is back and better than ever! Keep up the good work, wingnuts.

Posted by: Just a guy at May 18, 2012 12:56 AM (gnViO)

520
So, assuming he found out that Frank Davis was his father in, say 2006, would he be biologically eligible for the presidency, and justified in changing his bio?~Vashta Nerada

Yes. However all those documents he signed as President Obama would be null and void because his name is Davis not Obama.

Posted by: Speller at May 18, 2012 01:02 AM (J74Py)

521 People like #519 are one trick ponies:



They are told by their handlers to use the same 4 ad hominem attacks over and over again:



"birthers"
"wingnuts"
"racists"
"teabaggers"



The reason is simple: THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENT and they know their Messiah is
caught.

Just so you know #519 your tricks don't work anymore.
You aren't fooling anyone, shill...





Posted by: DogFood at May 18, 2012 01:06 AM (i8kYR)

522 "Alleged blood diamond financiers tied to Obama Virgin Islands bundler"
http://tinyurl.com/7nb9yq9

This will be huge with the college crowd, twenty somethings and even thirty somethings, it's a huge huge huge issue. People go out of their way to make sure they are getting a conflict free stone when getting engaged, they even pay way more for them.

Posted by: wonder at May 18, 2012 01:34 AM (oZfic)

523 I like this website, I found it on google. I'll be back soon.
Now read this!


"HSBC Mexican Drug Money in Obama's 2008 Campaign?"

http://larouchepac.com/node/22702


Posted by: DogFood at May 18, 2012 01:57 AM (i8kYR)

524 Et tu, Aceus?

Huh; I had this memory that you made it clear in two thousand aught eight that birtheristaingism would get commenters bum-rushed out of the clubhouse. I would so attested, even sworn. Because, that's what you DID DO, dude.

I guess desperate times etc.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 18, 2012 05:35 AM (vahvH)

525 Born in lovely Kenya,
Moved to Indonesia,
King Butt...

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2012 11:11 AM (FTuxU)

526 Anybody remember that mooshelle video where she says SCOAMF's home country is Kenya? Is she the one the provided the bio? Or maybe she read the bio and took it as fact? (It's not like SCOAMF would've told her that's his home country or anything.)

Posted by: lymond at May 18, 2012 02:53 PM (RxLT6)

527 @526

It's here ( just scroll down, you'll see it ).

tinyurl.com/c53hovq

Posted by: DogFood at May 18, 2012 03:54 PM (i8kYR)

528
I don’t speak for America OR the world, and I don’t want to. I have no right. But that doesn’t stop the racist right. Somewhere in their delusional hypocritical minds, someone made them speakers of the world and this country. No one did. No one ever win. But like I said, it doesn’t stop them from spreading the wide-spread lie of hate. That EVERY SINGLE BEING in the United States of America and the Whole World of existence hates Barack Obama.
No that is not true. It’s obvious they don’t pay attention to how the world thinks. just how faux news and hate radio tells them how the world thinks, But the cold-hard fact is not EVERY single being in the world is an uneducated, racist, bigoted right-winger who hates that a black couple represents the United States. Week by Week, I keep saying how the racist right have lost their sense of reality (If they ever had one!)
Ever heard that retarded saying “SCOAMF” Can’t tell you what it means, look it up. I said people if they are tired of hearing this crap. Turns out they aren’t, because they never heard. One a certain group of people never head the disrespectful trope. Classy, Respectful, Intelligent People. Ob’s such a Miserable Failure he grad Harvard Law and passed his bars and practiced law and beat the “war hero,” John McCain Simple Sarah. Got Bin Laden. The white supremacists of the GOP Base reek of envy and desperation.
They don’t like him because he;s not the spitting image of their god, Ray-gun. As we more toward the November election Romney will increasing get more and more ludicrous in his attempts to find talking points to use, as the economic conditions slowly and surely get better. This in spite of all the efforts of the republicans in Congress to flush this country down the toilet just to make Obama a single term president. Mitt is the most out of touch politically and socially tone-deaf individual, in my lifetime, to run for President, and that goes back to the 1952 election.

Posted by: Questionman at May 18, 2012 07:30 PM (vga0T)






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