Court Records: George Zimmerman Had The Crap Beaten Out Of Him

Remember how the prosecutors conveniently and according to some, unethically, left out any mention of Zimmerman's injuries in their affidavit?

Well, the details are out now.

Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman. He has entered a plea of not guilty and claims self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting. A message left Tuesday evening with Zimmerman's attorney was not immediately returned.

Now it turns out Martin had injuries consistent with hitting Zimmerman.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

This shows that the state's charging document was woefully incomplete and how far beyond reality a second degree murder charge is. No wonder the Smiling Prosecutor didn't go to a grand jury.

No doubt the state will argue that those wounds are consistent with Martin acting in self-defense and that will be for a jury to decide, if the case makes it that far or if the judge tosses that case entirely.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:20 AM



Comments

1 racist!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 10:21 AM (Ho2rs)

2 Z shouldn't have defended himself, because racist, that's why.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (RD7QR)

3 did trayvon put the skittles and ice tea down before he pummeled george?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (Ho2rs)

4 So, Drew, exactly how did you expect Martin to defend himself - wallop Z with the Skittles?

Posted by: Gerry at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (moE+5)

5 That prosecutor should be in jail.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (HethX)

6 Zimmerman is going to own about 10% of the MFM and a couple of percent of Florida when this is said and done.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (eHIJJ)

7 The Coroner?
Racist.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at May 16, 2012 10:23 AM (kvtSS)

8 5 lincolnf

she took a gamble to catapult her career not seek justice.....and she was oh so wrong......oh so very wrong.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 10:24 AM (Ho2rs)

9 Can the judge throw this thing out when it comes to trial?


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 16, 2012 10:24 AM (f9c2L)

10 If I prepared an affidavit that left out this kind of relevant stuff, I would a. get fired and b. get the attorney who signed it in massive, massive trouble with the court and probably with the bar. If anyone wants to know why I think pretty much all prosecutors and most cops are liars, this is why (my apologies to the Horde members who fall into those groups, I know it's not right to paint with that broad a brush).

Also I read WFTV as WTFTV and thought "hey at least there's an honest name".

Posted by: alexthechick at May 16, 2012 10:25 AM (VtjlW)

11 Posted by: Gerry at May 16, 2012 10:22 AM (moE+5)

You aren't defending yourself if you are the one who attacks.
Trayvon's parents are the reason Trayvon is dead. If he had been a polite kid, he'd probably have gotten a ride 'home'.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at May 16, 2012 10:25 AM (kvtSS)

12 No judge will have the balls to toss it out.

Posted by: dogfish at May 16, 2012 10:26 AM (N2yhW)

13 Clearly Drew needs Cultural Diversity training.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 16, 2012 10:26 AM (pVvkk)

14 The skittles jumped out the bag and beat the living fook out of George. In a valiant attempt to save GZ from the raging lunatic multicolored candy, Trayton threw himself on GZ and the gun went off by accident.
/saving the narrative

Posted by: kallisto at May 16, 2012 10:26 AM (jm/9g)

15 Crap is brown. Due his crap deficiency, it's no wonder the intrepid journalists of the MSM thought Mr. Zimmerman was a "white" Hispanic.

Posted by: this one time at hobo camp... at May 16, 2012 10:27 AM (q5fYz)

16 Having watched a lot of crime shows since Perry Mason was on TV, I can definitively say with high confidence that broken skin on knuckles ARE NOT defensive wounds.

Posted by: Count de Monet, armchair expert witness at May 16, 2012 10:27 AM (4q5tP)

17 so let's see....how many people need to be fired before the meme fits the lefts agenda?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (Ho2rs)

18 If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon. Had to interject myself into the thread! Peace out!

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (c3mby)

19 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)

20 6 Zimmerman is going to own about 10% of the MFM and a couple of percent of Florida when this is said and done.
I hope it'll be enough tocover the name changeandrelocatingto Nebraska.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 16, 2012 10:28 AM (SCcgT)

21 ABC news is also pretending this morning that Traytable's knuckles were skinned because he had defended himself. Interesting that Traytable didn't have any other wounds than the one that stopped him and his aggressive fist damage. But then again, people like Gerry and ABC will do anything to keep the lie alive.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (mFIbw)

22 I just don't get how the prosecutor could go for second degree. She is guaranteeing huge riots across the country. There will be blood on her hands.

I think with Greece and Spain...with the debt talks poised to collapse, taxmagedon around the corner and the coming race riots when Obama loses. I think this is when the shit really hits the fan. I think we have finally arrived at our destination.

Posted by: Max Power at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (+wxCD)

23 Meanwhile Eric Holder is planning to file hate crime charges against Zimmie.

Posted by: Payaso at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (vTFnf)

24 No win situation for the judge. Just about every lawyer in the country knows the charging documents are inadequate to support Murder-2. If he let's this go forward he will most certainly be ridiculed- and rightly so.

But if he does show some integrity there will be riots in the streets. Buts that's righteous- isn't it? Convicting an innocent man, improperly charged by incompetent nincompoop prosecutes to appease blood-lust?

Posted by: GrammarMan at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (O0lVq)

25 I thought that Prosecutors were supposed to subscribe to a "code of ethics" that would prohibit this. I never believe anything a defense attorney says (See Steven Feldman in "The People vs. David Westerfield".)

Well, I guess that we have to treat them all as liars.


Posted by: Jimbo at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (O3R/2)

26 Zimmerman kept punching Trayvon in the knuckles with his face.

Posted by: Payaso at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (vTFnf)

27 I told you that was a skillet. You think skittles can break a white Hispanics nose?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (7Dbui)

28 But I read this morning that some are claiming Zimmermans wounds are self-inflicted.Riiight. In the 2-4 minutes before the police arrived George broke his nose blackened both his eyes and lacerated the back of his head. Quite the trick...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 16, 2012 10:31 AM (ZHge+)

29 Bat Chain Puller: "I hope it'll be enough to cover the name change and relocating to Nebraska."

Touche. Good thing it wasn't CA or he wouldn't be able to afford a bus ticket.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 16, 2012 10:31 AM (eHIJJ)

30 Gonna be a long, hot summer tension wise. Cataclysmic 2nd chakra release coming in the fall with this election and other events.

Posted by: Count de Monet, armchair expert witness at May 16, 2012 10:33 AM (4q5tP)

31 When the riots break out, may the prosecutor be named Denny and driving a truck in the middle of it.

Posted by: dogfish at May 16, 2012 10:33 AM (N2yhW)

32 But I read this morning that some are claiming Zimmermans wounds are self-inflicted.

Oh lord. It got stupider. I didn't think it could. You know, sometimes I understand why the late lamented BFF claimed that I was actually a cockeyed optimist underneath all the snark.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (VtjlW)

33 Zimmerman, the aggressor, kept hitting Trayvon's fists with his face until he knocked Trayvon on top of him.

Posted by: The Stenographers at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (eHIJJ)

34 Please pardon the salty language, but how the fuck can any fucking prosecutor worth their fucking salt fucking leave out some of the most important fucking information that should fucking be included in the fucking affidavit?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (4df7R)

35 Nothing will upset The Narrative.

Gerry's a perfect example.

Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (MMC8r)

36 This is what mob rule looks like. Not surprisingly, this is the kind of justice system liberals prefer; facts don't matter, only feelings and perceptions.

I hope the left burns in hell for this fucking farce.

Posted by: El Kabong at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (aaAjO)

37 Repeat from news thread:


Zimmerman had two black eyes, a broken nose, lacerations to the back of
his head, and a back sprain. Gee those 14 year old choir boys can do
some damage when they get riled up right?


Rumor has it that the DOJ is planning a hate crime charge. I don't see
how under the current wording of the law. I suspect that our current
corrupt DOJ will be gone before this case is finished at trial.

Posted by: Vic at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (YdQQY)

38 But they want to charge him with a hate crime so he can be eligible for the death penalty. Bizarro world.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 16, 2012 10:35 AM (pLTLS)

39 'Cause, ya know, whenever I straddle someone and pummel his head into the motherfuckin' concrete...

It's self-defense."

--Trayvon

Posted by: Hayabusa at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (DiwJ9)

40 Trayvon should be prosecuted forcommitting suicide by assault.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 16, 2012 10:36 AM (YYyqq)

41 I almost gag'd after I read the MSNBC report on this...

Basicly they said he was arrested AFTER the Press had given the story Scrutiny.... taking credit for the arrest...

but... the very story itself showed they were Second guessing the Cops, and had NOT told the full story.... because the COPS knew about the extent of both sets of injuries, which is WHY they didn't press charges in the first place.

Now, can we SUE these F'n Racist bastards for Wasting our Tax dollars, on an unwinable and unjust Case?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (lZBBB)

42 Zimmerman forced Trayvon to beat him up at gunpoint.

Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (MMC8r)

43 But if he does show some integrity there will be riots in the streets. Buts that's righteous- isn't it? Convicting an innocent man, improperly charged by incompetent nincompoop prosecutes to appease blood-lust?
Posted by: GrammarMan at May 16, 2012 10:30 AM (O0lVq)


Which SHOULD be immaterial to the matter at hand, which is the proper application of justice. The mere fact that this is even an ISSUE is a sign that somewhere along the way, justice got shitcanned for the sake of politically correct optics.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (4df7R)

44 I think we have finally arrived at our destination. Posted by: Max Power at May 16, 2012 10:29 AM (+wxCD) This!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (mFxQX)

45 Bye bye Free Republic link

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (pLTLS)

46 34
Please pardon the salty language, but how the fuck can any fucking
prosecutor worth their fucking salt fucking leave out some of the most
important fucking information that should fucking be included in the
fucking affidavit?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:34 AM (4df7R)

Who the fuck knows?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (RD7QR)

47 Who the fuck knows?
Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 16, 2012 10:37 AM (RD7QR)


I know, right? Just... fuck!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (4df7R)

48 Well you can kiss second degree goodbye. This throws water all over the prosecutions fire. As for the other fire, the one that will start when they come back with some kind of manslaughter thing, it may take blood to put that one out.

Posted by: And Irresolute at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (RC3M9)

49 The helmet wearing retard aka Angela Corey is going toget the Mike Nifong treatment. I hope she has lots of nice shiny assets to lose in civil court.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (6BgmB)

50 See also; The Tyler Clementi case.

Posted by: El Kabong at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (aaAjO)

51 Some one some where needs to do a FOIA request to see the e-mail trail of Holder and Obama pressuring the FBI to pursue this case federally. It is not a federal case. Period.

We are rapidly turning into a banana republic, where the dictator creates the law on the fly; political adversaries are targeted for prosecutions; and favors are bought with donations to the "one".

Welcome to Venezuela

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (Dnbau)

52 /facepalm

Posted by: zombie Dr. MLK Jr. at May 16, 2012 10:40 AM (GBXon)

53 Perhaps now the Left can move on and assign blame where it belongs...

Sarah Palin.

Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (MMC8r)

54 When I heard that idiot investigator admit on the stand in the bail hearing that he wasn't aware of Zimmerman's medical report *immediately after* claiming Z's injuries were inconsistent with his story I knew we were gonna get something like this. The facts don't matter here. This is all about the politics of appeasement.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (qFpRI)

55 It is obvious to me what is going on.
The court records are RrRRrRRaAACCCIiIsSsSSyTTTtTtTTtTTT!!!!!!

Posted by: Big T Party at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (EhUTA)

56 Travon was just defending himself from the vicious beating that Zimmerman gave him with with his head and nose. That Travon could barely ward him off with his bare knuckles testifies to what a beating he took from Zimmerman's head before being shot by Zimmerman - case closed.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (gdGJ1)

57
49 The helmet wearing retard aka Angela Corey is going toget the Mike Nifong treatment. I hope she has lots of nice shiny assets to lose in civil court.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 16, 2012 10:39 AM (6BgmB)


I find it interesting that Angela Corey shares a last name with the Human Pancake. Apparently she shares that one's tendency for being an idiot, too.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (4df7R)

58 Future Millionaire George Zimmerman.

Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (MMC8r)

59 The jury will decide this. Hopefully it will be a jury of Zimmerman's peers.

And when they find him not guilty I will be driving my wife to work for a few weeks.

I was in CA during the Rodney King riots...it wasn't fun.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (nEUpB)

60 #JusticeForZimmerman

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 10:43 AM (NG097)

61 Al, 10:25:

"You aren't defending yourself if you are the one who attacks."

No, but thinking of this case I imagine myself in Martin's shoes: I'm walking alone at night, someone's following me, and he confronts me. He's neighborhood watch, but I don't know that - I think I'm about to be mugged.

I'm a smallish guy, by the way. If I wait to be attacked my odds of coming out OK are poor. I might just hit first, and keep hitting until I'm sure he's no threat. Now, I might be wrong, and if he's armed I might just get shot like Martin did.

I think Zimmerman probably acted in self-defense, but I still wonder if Martin thought he was acting, preemptively, in self-defense.

Posted by: JPS at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (PVzSz)

62 The Retreat at Twin Lakes had experienced a series of burglaries and
other crimes, all of them done by blacks in the instances where the race
of the perpetrator was identified. In a recent case two blacks had
broken into a home while the woman of the house hid from them in terror.
And in another case a suspected burglar had gotten away because the
police were so slow to respond. So the community was on edge. Zimmerman
was on edge. He didn’t want another intruder to escape. Now what race
were all the intruders? Black. So Zimmerman had it in for blacks. He was
targeting blacks. So when he reported Martin’s presence to 911, and
then (as the prosecutor stated in her affidavit) followed him,
confronted him, and killed him, he was racially motivated. So this was a
hate crime. If you try to stop criminals from coming into your
community, and the criminals are all black, you are acting out of hatred
of blacks, and any violence that results is a hate crime.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (Dll6b)

63 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:42 AM (4df7R)

The sad thing for Corey is that this will ruin an otherwise stellar career. She has a sterling reputation in Jacksonville and the people in his jurisdiction love her. I don't see how she survives this.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (qFpRI)

64 53
Perhaps now the Left can move on and assign blame where it belongs...



Sarah Palin.

Posted by: nickless at May 16, 2012 10:41 AM (MMC8r)

What? Am I finally free? YES!

Posted by: GW at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (FIDMq)

65 We buying Skittles for Trayvon. Skittles owe us money.

Posted by: Toure Loure Loura at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (KZi9D)

66 did trayvon put the skittles and ice tea down before he pummeled george?

A question I want answered as well. If the stuff was stashed somewhere at a distance from the body, I think it shows that Martin wanted his hands free for the confrontation.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (NG097)

67 Is there a single incendiary issue the JEF has inserted himself into that he hasn't made markedly worse?

Its uncanny, you know if he sticks his nose into it he is going to not only be wrong, but make it a thousand times worse.

I cannot wait for January.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 10:46 AM (Dnbau)

68 I'm not a lawyer, but people who are keep saying how weak the charges look. If I had to guess (which I don't, but I will anyway), I'd say the prosecutor knows there's 0 chance of winning, so she's going to go through the motions, and hope the judge tosses it. Preferably before it gets too far.

Her out is "I took the case as far as I could, but we just didn't have enough to get justice for poor, Traybo." If she can roll a tear down her cheek, that would help.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2012 10:46 AM (TOk1P)

69 All this makes the talk of federal prosecution even more outrageous. I'd like to know more about this source, the "state prosecutors", cited in the story from WFTV.

Is Corey's office behind it?

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at May 16, 2012 10:46 AM (piMMO)

70 That cracker did that shit to himself!

Posted by: AL Sharpton at May 16, 2012 10:46 AM (kDLl+)

71 DoJ will be charging Zimmerman with "Hate Crimes" because the President hates Zimmerman...or something like that.

Maybe it's because Zimmerman hates himself as a minority and so he beat himself up?

Will the charging document allege that Zimmerman hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman has the wounds to prove it?

Posted by: Exile at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (O0lVq)

72 The sad thing for Corey is that this will ruin an otherwise stellar career. She has a sterling reputation in Jacksonville and the people in his jurisdiction love her. I don't see how she survives this.
Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (qFpRI)


It makes it all the more baffling about why she'd even go forward with it in the first place. She had to know this was a complete hack job. Political correctness or not, if you want to have a long, healthy career in the DA's office, you don't just throw around second degree murder charges like they're beads during a Mardi Gras parade.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (4df7R)

73 BTW, to give credit where credit is due, the original police reports from the Sanford PD officers DID detail the injuries to Zimmerman. The contrast between their candor versus the concealment by the slimy SA Corey and her flying monkeys cd not be more apparent.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (1X/a4)

74 Corey IS 'the state prosecutor' for this case


The FBI can only investigate violations of the USC--they don't 'charge' or indict anyone

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 10:48 AM (Dll6b)

75 Posted by: JPS at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (PVzSz)

JPS, if you're afraid you fucking run. If you're a thug looking for a confrontation, you go and beat the shit out of the guy you think is following you. That simple.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 10:48 AM (3jGS1)

76 Lawrence Auster, you are a special kind of retard.

Posted by: Thursby at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (H15Ok)

77 The sad thing for Corey is that this will ruin an otherwise stellar
career. She has a sterling reputation in Jacksonville and the people in
his jurisdiction love her. I don't see how she survives this.


***

I was one of those celebrating when she was given the case, but that circus-freak act she pulled in her initial press conference cannot be overcome.

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (piMMO)

78
73 BTW, to give credit where credit is due, the original police reports from the Sanford PD officers DID detail the injuries to Zimmerman. The contrast between their candor versus the concealment by the slimy SA Corey and her flying monkeys cd not be more apparent.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (1X/a4)


Which makes it even more outrageous that the details of those injuries were left out of the indictment!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (4df7R)

79 Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 10:47 AM (1X/a4)

You are not allowed to comment on this topic because by definition, Jews are racist, hate-mongering apartheid supporting murderers.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (nEUpB)

80 The sad thing for Corey is that this will ruin an otherwise stellar
career. She has a sterling reputation in Jacksonville and the people in
his jurisdiction love her. I don't see how she survives this.

I would have to question the fine people of Jacksonville on this one.

She looks like the Cheshire cat. Only about 1/1000th as crafty.

Posted by: Exile at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (O0lVq)

81 Some one some where needs to do a FOIA request to see the e-mail trail of Holder and Obama pressuring the FBI to pursue this case federally. It is not a federal case. Period.

I look forward to yet more pages of blanked out documents.


Posted by: alexthechick at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (VtjlW)

82 Justice is no longer based on facts but instead on identity politics. If a white hispanic must be sacrificed to appease the race pimps, then that is how it must be. Advance the narrative at all costs.
Get ready for a summer of race riots, OWS riots, union thuggery, all towards Obama's reelection.

Posted by: real joe at May 16, 2012 10:50 AM (lgANn)

83 Auster at Amnation.com was summarizing the state's "reasoning" -- to expose its absurdity


irony is your friend

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 10:50 AM (Dll6b)

84 No you retrads. It's such an obvious conspiracy. And I can't hold in my silence any longer.

Racist Zimmerman actually headbutted the fists of the most innocent lil' lamb Tray who was walking to the library to help the crippled orphans with their algebra homework. Trayvon's girlfirend phone call PROVES that.

Sorry rethuglican Cheney-wannabees, And it all adds up against you. And your teabagging half a brains even knows that:

1. Being hispanic means he's good at headbutting things.

2. And being white, he's good at being sneaky. And racist.

I hope they hang him with the electric chair. Or fire poison gas into his face. He deserves to die. But be raped first. Painfully. Without the cumming. And you can choke on that you evil angry Rove-u-lan motherfuckers. JUSTYCE FOR TRAYVON!

Posted by: Tawana Brawley at May 16, 2012 10:50 AM (qxcKC)

85 "Interview with defense Lawyer Mark Harrold on women who gets 20 years in
prison for firing warning shot and latest on Trayvon Martin case and
George Zimmermans injuries." http://tinyurl.com/7zg4e6l [podcast link]

This guy was on red eye radio last night. Interesting how they boiled his appearance down to a blurb and how they gave out a website that can't be found.

I have to listen to the podcast. But, last night got the impression from the guy that this was not looking good for Zimmerman.

Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (oZfic)

86 Where's the toxicology report on No Limit?

Posted by: john b at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (/6Tvx)

87 Posted by: Thursby at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (H15Ok)

Mr. Auster was speaking with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (nEUpB)

88 I *was* acting in self-defense! This guy kept coming at me with his face and nose! The only thing I could do was block his attacks with my balled-up fists!

You don't even want to know what that sicko started doing to the sidewalk...

Posted by: Trayvon(TM) at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (sPO/s)

89 Corey IS 'the state prosecutor' for this case


****

Is her office the one leaking the story to the press?

I can't tell you how much I'd like too see Dershowitz take her on?

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (piMMO)

90 If you try to stop criminals from coming into your community, and the criminals are all black, you are acting out of hatred of blacks, and any violence that results is a hate crime.
Posted by: Lawrence Auster at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (Dll6b)

Does that rotor blade on your hat run on brain waves?
Is that why it isn't spinning?

Posted by: garrett at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (IDw8s)

91 Some one some where needs to do a FOIA request to
see the e-mail trail of Holder and Obama pressuring the FBI to pursue
this case federally. It is not a federal case. Period.



I look forward to yet more pages of blanked out documents.







Posted by: alexthechick at May 16, 2012 10:49 AM (VtjlW)

Steadman's DOJ routinely ignores Congressional subpoenas (FandF anyone). I doubt that a FOIA request will get very far prior to November.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (3jGS1)

92 Posted by: Lawrence Auster at May 16, 2012 10:44 AM (Dll6b)


We haven't heard from the Martin siblings, Bowlvon and Platevon concerning the death of their skittle loving brother Trayvon.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (6BgmB)

93 AFAIK, there has not been any report of any skittles or iced tea even found. If not, that wd call into question the family's story as self-serving, or naive (believing a bogus excuse from Trayvon for going out).

But let's see how the facts come out.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (1X/a4)

94 'Leaks' are, inter alia, unknown --- unless someone sees you taking a leak

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (Dll6b)

95 Has anyone checked GZ's driving record? Then we'll know the true character of this racist half breed.
//

Posted by: dananjcon at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (eavT+)

96 I think Zimmerman probably acted in self-defense, but I still wonder if
Martin thought he was acting, preemptively, in self-defense.


First off: No. He had plenty of time when Zimmerman wasn't following him to have gone home. He chose to come back and confront Zimmerman. This has been chronicled pretty well in other blogs.

Second: Who cares? If the question is whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter (let alone Murder 2), the question of why Trayvon Martin attacked him is immaterial, beyond "Did George Zimmerman start it?"

We have absolutely no evidence that George Zimmerman did anything wrong. None. The most we have is blind conjecture which, even then, appears to be less-than-likely given the evidence we do have.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (8y9MW)

97 Justice is no longer based on facts but instead on identity politics. If a white hispanic must be sacrificed to appease the race pimps, then that is how it must be. Advance the narrative at all costs.

Of course, what's most ridiculous about the whole thing is that it won't matter WHAT the final outcome is of this farce. If GZ's found guilty, there will be riots in memory of Trayvon. If GZ's found not guilty, there will be riots in retaliation. If the case is thrown out, there will be riots in protest. Riots WILL happen, and no amount of appeasement is going to hold them off. All it does is feed into the victimhood mentality of all those who are screaming for GZ's head.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 10:53 AM (4df7R)

98 If he was beat to shit, you must acquit.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 16, 2012 10:54 AM (AuMLI)

99 AFAIK, there has not been any report of any skittles or iced tea even found.

The Police Chief mentioned them in his public statement but other than that, I think you are correct. Unless I missed something, the documents don't name the convenience store or anything either.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 10:54 AM (NG097)

100 First off: No. He had plenty of time when Zimmerman wasn't following him
to have gone home. He chose to come back and confront Zimmerman. This
has been chronicled pretty well in other blogs.


***

He "doubled-back" on Zimmerman from what I've read and the property map I've seen.

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at May 16, 2012 10:55 AM (piMMO)

101 OK. Maybe Trayvon was just getting some snacks, nd got a little lost going home since he was relatively new to the neighborhood. Maybe he even thought Zimmerman was following him and was afraid of him.

Did they ever find the skittles and iced tea? Why not? Did he ever even go to the store? His family was allegedly looking for him but they did not hear the shot or the fight or even the police lights? The confrontation happened not far from their home and so the investigation went on into the morning yet they never went outside to ask? Why not?

Somebody somewhere needs to do a chronology of martins and zimmerman's movements that night. There is alot we haven't been told yet.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 10:55 AM (Dnbau)

102 If Zimmerman has EVER owned or ridden in a Chevy Nova or Impala, his cred is good Yo.

Posted by: Darth LowRider at May 16, 2012 10:55 AM (0tRzD)

103 Somebody somewhere needs to do a chronology of martins and zimmerman's
movements that night. There is alot we haven't been told yet.


****

Anyone remember the name of the blog that did all the research on this? She had maps and timelines.

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at May 16, 2012 10:56 AM (piMMO)

104 "Reuters: Zimmerman Bought Gun for Pit Bull, Has Black Ancestors" http://tinyurl.com/7xqwmuh
Original link came from Michael Savage's website, he discussed it on his show yesterday. http://tinyurl.com/46h6ty

Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 10:57 AM (oZfic)

105 off presidential sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:57 AM (piMMO)

106 I'd like to point out that there is really only one side to the tale since Martin is dead. If Zimmerman's account is accurate, the state has no case at all, and so far, Zimmerman's story has not been contradicted on any material point in the released information. None.

It's a lynching.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 10:57 AM (NG097)

107
What government entity was Zimmermans home owners group registered with? Based on what has been disclosed with Martin just looking suspicious and the 911 tape of officer telling Z to back off he is the agressor which puts Martin in the victim spot. Seem like Z went from hero to zero.

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 10:57 AM (Qr9Rc)

108
Does that rotor blade on your hat run on brain waves?

Is that why it isn't spinning?

Posted by: garrett at May 16, 2012 10:51 AM (IDw8s)

--read it again. Auster at Amnation.com was summarizing the 'reasoning' behind the state's indictment of Z -- to expose the absurdity

irony is your friend

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 10:57 AM (Dll6b)

109 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 10:52 AM (8y9MW)

And to add onto Allen's point, the lead investigator for the special prosecutor admitted on the stand in the bail hearing that he was unaware of any evidence that contradicted Zimmerman's account of going back to his truck and being confronted and attacked by Trayvon. I don't know how this wasn't thrown out right then and there.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 10:58 AM (qFpRI)

110 And to add onto Allen's point, the lead investigator for the special
prosecutor admitted on the stand in the bail hearing that he was unaware
of any evidence that contradicted Zimmerman's account of going back to
his truck and being confronted and attacked by Trayvon. I don't know how
this wasn't thrown out right then and there.


****

He wasn't attacked nest to his truck. He was apparently returning to the truck when it happened.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:59 AM (piMMO)

111 if trayvon were alive today....

he'd be out on bail awaiting his trial

he'd be wearing an ankle bracelet

he'd be beating on his little brother who keeps clamoring for skittles......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 10:59 AM (Ho2rs)

112 JPS, you are full of shit. There is no evidence--NONE--that Zimmerman was following Trayvon in a menacing or threatening way. All we have on that point is the statements of Trayvon's family and lawyers. Who have been repeatedly shown to have lied.

You're a "smallish guy" and you think your best odds of surviving a confrontation with someone larger than you is to attack first? You might want to re-think that.

You know what other bombshell is waiting in the wings for the defense to drop when they think the time is right? Someone confronted by Zimmerman walking about the neighborhood at night who responded in a polite non-aggressive way and, after identifying themselves, went about their business--possibly even someone black. Because in 10 years as a neighborhood watch, he most certainly confronted someone at night.

And thug Trayvon would have walked away and gone about his business (if he truly had any legitimate business other than casing houses) had he merely identified himself and his business.
===========
But read the comments to the ABC article: Those people are insanely delusional. There is nothing in the world, not even Jesus Christ Himself, that will convince them Zimmerman is innocent.

Posted by: jimmuy at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (kSaUf)

113 if trayvon were alive today....

He would be scratching frantically at the lid of his coffin.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (NG097)

114 I'm hoping that Zimmerman will go after the Martin family lawyer AND Al Sharpton for stirring this pot up in the first place.

I'd pay good money (to Zimmerman's Defense Fund)to see those two slimeballs' bank accounts drained.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (0xqzf)

115 Hedgehog, 10:48:

"That simple."

I'm not convinced it is, but for the most part I agree with you.

AllenG, 10:52:

"Second: Who cares? If the question is whether or not George Zimmerman is
guilty of manslaughter (let alone Murder 2), the question of why
Trayvon Martin attacked him is immaterial, beyond 'Did George Zimmerman
start it?'"

You're absolutely right. It is immaterial, legally. Morally, to me, it makes a difference whether Zimmerman shot a thug who was looking for a fight, or a kid who never was going to be a threat unless threatened. It's the difference between a self-defense shooting where my reaction is, "Good," and a self-defense shooting where I think, "What a stupid fucking tragedy - it never should have reached that point."

Posted by: JPS at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (PVzSz)

116 There is a gal out there who has done a ton of work on this case and mapped out the scene using and events.

Does anyone here remember the name of the blog?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (piMMO)

117 I don't know what the prosecution has, but it better be more than this. I keep thinking it has to do with the "girlfriend" and the phone conversation.

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (ZHge+)

118 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 10:59 AM (piMMO)


Yes that's why I said he was going back to his truck. I didn't say he got there. I don't think he did, either.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (qFpRI)

119 Did they ever find the skittles and iced tea? Why not? Did he ever even go to the store? His family was allegedly looking for him but they did not hear the shot or the fight or even the police lights? The confrontation happened not far from their home and so the investigation went on into the morning yet they never went outside to ask? Why not?

This is what I've been wondering since this whole fiasco started. If this all happened in the general vicinity of Trayvon's father's fiancee's (phew!) home, then why did none of them come out to investigate what the hell was going on when there was gunfire, let alone when the police arrived? Just how close wasTrayvon to the house? If he wasn't close, how far did he go to get his fabled iced tea andSkittles? Why would you go that far at night in the rain? And if the family was looking for Trayvon, why did they not put two and two together that his disappearance might be related to the police presence in the area? And if they were looking for Trayvon, why did it take three days for them to claim his body? Sad as it is, when someone goes missing one of the first places most people would call is either the hospital or the morgue. Did they do that? If not, why not? Just what exactly the hell WERE they doing?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:01 AM (4df7R)

120 He wasn't attacked nest to his truck. He was apparently returning to the truck when it happened.

True. But the point is that there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his truck, and plenty of evidence to support the idea that, had he wanted to, Trayvon Martin could have returned home and avoided confrontation completely.

The fact is that, from what evidence is publicly available, George Zimmerman did stop following Trayvon Martin when he was informed by the 911 dispatcher that "we don't need you to [follow Martin]."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 11:02 AM (8y9MW)

121 irony is your friend

Irona is my robot maid.

Posted by: Richie Rich at May 16, 2012 11:02 AM (PEnme)

122 Can't we all just move beyond having to see everything through the inchoate false and deterministic construct of race and tribe, often for personal gain and advantage? Or, maybe, it is the false construct of inchoate determinism of race and tribe ... well... anyway.... you morons know what I mean....

Really. Enough is a enough.

Posted by: Elizabeth Stands with Fist in Mouth Warren at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (Xv7f/)

123 You're a "smallish guy" and you think your best odds of surviving a
confrontation with someone larger than you is to attack first? You might
want to re-think that.


****

That myth should also be put to rest. Trayvon was taller than Zimmerman and only weighed 20 or so lbs less that Zimmerman.

Martin would have had the advantage in reach.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)

124 Mr. Auster, that's some weapons-grade stupid.

Ms. Brawley, BWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

Posted by: meekrob at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (x2CNJ)

125 I hope this persecuter is soon off the public payroll and disbarred (preferably) or back to chasing ambulances (more likely).

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (ccXZP)

126 What fraction of the AA population still believes OJ is innocent, the prosectors did not prove their case, or the OJ verdict was justified for past crimes against blacks?

Jesus Christ Himself could declare Zimmerman innocent and it would do no good.

Posted by: eman at May 16, 2012 11:04 AM (XrDou)

127 Did they ever find the skittles and iced tea? Why not? Did he ever
even go to the store? His family was allegedly looking for him but they
did not hear the shot or the fight or even the police lights? The
confrontation happened not far from their home and so the investigation
went on into the morning yet they never went outside to ask? Why not?


****

Hell, it happened just about two buildings down from them, in the courtyard.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:04 AM (piMMO)

128 "What a stupid fucking tragedy - it never should have reached that point."


Posted by: JPS at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (PVzSz)

>>>Where is the 'tragedy'? If you beat someone who then shoots you ( to stop you from beating him to death ), that is not a 'tragedy'.

It's............justice

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:05 AM (Dll6b)

129 I just smell a rat. The lights from the cop cars had to have been seen from Trayvon's father's home. Why didn't they ask what happened, especially if he was looking for his missing son? Where is the store camera showing he brought the snacks? Where are the snacks? Did he call anyone else but the girlfriend? Where are the facts supporting the version of events as described by Trayvon's girlfriend and his family?

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:05 AM (Dnbau)

130 Martin would have had the advantage in reach.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)


And youth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (4df7R)

131 Local news is finally reporting Zim's injuries...However they conveniently said he had "cuts" on his head instead of "lacerations" and ALSO made NO MENTION of Martin's knuckles.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (Ub+nh)

132 Posted by: eman at May 16, 2012 11:04 AM (XrDou)

Well, obviously this is anecdotal, but I don't know a black person that still believes OJ was innocent. I *do* know a lot of black people who are tickled pink that he got off anyway, thereby sticking it to "the man." Not all of the black folks I know, mind, but a lot.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (qFpRI)

133 The lies. The ground is thick with them.


Posted by: Jimbo at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (O3R/2)

134 I love the smell of racism in the morning.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (Hx5uv)

135 Mr. Auster, that's some weapons-grade stupid.

Ms. Brawley, BWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!


Posted by: meekrob at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (x2CNJ)


( sigh ) Read it again..............irony, etc

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (Dll6b)

136
Slightly off topic--I don't know what prosecutors are like where you all are but leaving out anything positive for the defense is par for the course where I've practiced.The affidavit looked standard to me. I do find that rather sad myself. (I only do criminal defense so view accordingly.)

Posted by: xyz at May 16, 2012 11:07 AM (l0gp0)

137 jimmuy, 11:00: "JPS, you are full of shit."

No need to get insulting, son. I am awfully close to complete agreement with you and the others I've disagreed with here.

I originally commented to question the statement, "You aren't defending yourself if you are the one who attacks." I can imagine situations where I'd consider hitting out first. It would generally be a last resort, like if I thought running like hell wasn't a good option.

"You're a 'smallish guy' and you think your best odds of surviving a
confrontation with someone larger than you is to attack first? You might want to rethink that."

True. I didn't say it was a good idea, or my best odds. There are circumstances where I'd consider it.

Posted by: JPS at May 16, 2012 11:07 AM (PVzSz)

138
134 I love the smell of racism in the morning.
Posted by: WalrusRex at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (Hx5uv)


Smells like Louis Farrakhan's pit stains.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:07 AM (4df7R)

139 Florida has a stand my ground law and I was standing my ground. It's just that my ground was right on top of that cracker's ass.

Posted by: Zombie Trayvon at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (Hx5uv)

140 The 'Stand you ground' law is just that. To take it upon yourseld to go out in your neighborhood strapped looking for perps is vigilante. Z needed to be in danger of imminent death from Martin which he was not. The judge has thrown out the SYG defense. Don't be suprised if the prosecutor gets her conviction in this case.

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (Qr9Rc)

141
911 tape of officer telling Z to back off he is the agressor which puts Martin in the victim spot. Seem like Z went from hero to zero.

Not an officer, but a civilian and not telling Z to back off, but saying he didn't have to follow. See the difference?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (mFxQX)

142 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:06 AM (Dll6b)

Apparently the concept is too difficult for some around here...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (nEUpB)

143 You're a "smallish guy" and you think your best odds of surviving a
confrontation with someone larger than you is to attack first? You might
want to re-think that.


Trayvon wasn't small. Where does this come from? The media using his 3rd grade picture?

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:09 AM (mFIbw)

144 What if Zimmerman claimed he was 1/32nd Cherokee, could he then argue that he was on his spirit journey high on peodee and confused Treyvon with the great spirit snake?

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 16, 2012 11:10 AM (bXjty)

145 Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (Qr9Rc)

Are you always this dense, or is it a special occasion?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (nEUpB)

146 I can only refer people to Lawrence Auster's post today at Amnation.com


I excerpted his summary of the state's mentality / justification / whatever


No rational person would accept this Crap, but it is essentially the basis of the indictment of Z

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (Dll6b)

147 "So, Drew, exactly how did you expect Martin to defend himself - wallop Z with the Skittles?"

Posted by: Facauwee Tribe at May 16, 2012 11:11 AM (BHM5V)

148 >> the 911 tape of officer telling Z to back off

There is no such thing.

What there is tape of is a 911 dispatcher telling Zimmerman "you don't need to do that" in response to his affirmative answer as to whether he was following Martin on foot.

This is quite different than a command to "back off", and Zimmerman has good reason to think that he does, in fact, need to keep tabs on Martin's whereabouts. As he also said on the 911 tape, "these assholes always get away."

Posted by: Andy at May 16, 2012 11:12 AM (5Rurq)

149 Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (Qr9Rc)


read the actual wording of the indictment. It does not say what you think it says

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:12 AM (Dll6b)

150 I am not buying anyone's version of events, but right now all the facts support Zimmerman's descriptions, and nothing supports the versions of events offered by Martins family and girlfriend, who were not there and did not witness it. Furthermore, Martin's family has no motivation to reveal anything that does not support their narrative that he was a victim.

Hopefully the prosecutor's office is tracking down this information and will take their time investigating it. Time will cool the situation down.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:12 AM (Dnbau)

151 Shhhh. Sonnyspats is retarded. You should be more tolerant. You hater.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:12 AM (mFIbw)

152 Here's some summaries by The Conservative Treehouse:

http://is.gd/B6mt4j

Don't know if that's what anyone was looking for.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 16, 2012 11:13 AM (0xqzf)

153 the police dispatcher did not tell Z to 'back off'. Stop watching TV news

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 16, 2012 11:13 AM (Dll6b)

154 One has to wonder - does the Prosecutor REALLY believe Zimmerman is guilty based upon the evidence and would she actually be so craven as to send a man she believes in her heart to be innocent to prison for life just to advance her career?

Yes, sadly this smells and feels like Duke Rape Case, Part Duex. No wonder she didn't want a Grand Jury. They would have thrown this out on the spot.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at May 16, 2012 11:13 AM (hlUJY)

155 Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:09 AM (mFIbw)

It's The Narrative, and it won't change regardless of the facts.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”

-- Mark Twain

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2012 11:13 AM (nEUpB)

156 "You aren't defending yourself if you are the one who attacks.">>

A point to be made if I plan on shooting someone getting in a physical altercation with them lessens my chances of success. So logic would be on Zimmermans side that he did not start the physical altercation. With the added fact that the 2 were of similar size so he had no expectation of overwhelming advantage in a fist fight.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 16, 2012 11:14 AM (tf9Ne)

157
"So, Drew, exactly how did you expect Martin to defend himself - wallop Z with the Skittles?"
Do you defend yourself from being followed? Do you double back on the person following you, and defend yourself? Did Trayvon think Zimmerman was going to steal his Skittles?

Posted by: Facauwee Tribe at May 16, 2012 11:14 AM (BHM5V)

158 The spin I heard on the radio news was that they will say that Zimmerman cannot claim self defense because he was following Williams and thus instigated the fight.

Now, I can see ways that this is the case - that Z provokes, perhaps even throws the first punch, then gets his ass beat and then shoots the guy.

But there are also ways it doesn't go that way - sounds like reasonable doubt to me.

Posted by: blaster at May 16, 2012 11:15 AM (7vSU0)

159

Hopefully, the audio forensic experts will be able to
isolate the sound of Zimmerman smashing his face into poor Trayvon’s hands as
the yute cried for help.

Posted by: jwest at May 16, 2012 11:15 AM (ZDsRL)

160 "Posted by: Toure Loure Loura at May 16, 2012 10:45 AM (KZi9D)"

This is hilarious, and should be commended for its wit.

It should be, but it won't, because now I have that damned song stuck in my head.

Posted by: Trayvon(TM) at May 16, 2012 11:15 AM (sPO/s)

161 I've found Tom Maguire at http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/ to have the clearest/sanest approach to separating the wheat from the chaff when it comes to 'facts' vs emotional assertions on this issue.

As it stands now, this judicial farce could be the basis for a new show (on NBC most fittingly) this fall: Lie & Odor

Posted by: John H at May 16, 2012 11:16 AM (G0Q4Y)

162 To take it upon yourseld to go out in your neighborhood strapped looking for perps is vigilante.

Why even repeat that lie? Are you going for the irony angle now, too, or is this real?

George Zimmerman is (was?) licensed to carry a concealed weapon. He was on his way to (from?- not clear on that part) the store when he saw someone who he felt was acting suspiciously and called 911. When the person in question ducked out of sight, Zimmerman followed until the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." At that point, Zimmerman stayed where he was, to assist police. (All of this has been corroborated to some extent)

After hanging up the phone, Zimmerman claims he was headed back to his truck when he was confronted by Trayvon Martin. He further claims that Martin then attacked him. He defended himself, and Martin died.

Now, where, exactly, does vigilantism come into play, here? What evidence, beyond "you just know," do you have that Zimmerman was not, in fact, headed to the store, but was "looking for perps?" Further, what proof do you have that Zimmerman did not believe he was in danger of immanent death- which is the actual standard: belief?

Stand Your Ground was never the question here. George Zimmerman always claimed basic self-defense.

The only thing you've said with a shred of truth is "Don't be surprised if the prosecutor gets her conviction in this case." And, indeed, I won't. But, from what we know, that will be a travesty of injustice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 11:16 AM (8y9MW)

163 "Sad as it is, when someone goes missing one of the first places most people would call is either the hospital or the morgue. Did they do that? If not, why not? Just what exactly the hell WERE they doing?"

Filing the papers to trademark the name.

Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:16 AM (sPO/s)

164 Here's another question I have about the iced tea and Skittles. The story is that Trayvon went to buy the Skittles for his brother, right? Or cousin or something? What was the younger brother doing at the fiancee's house? It was my understanding that Trayvon was at the house because he'd been suspended from school and needed somewhere to stay that was... what? Supervised? Presumably because no one was at his own home during the day? I'm still not clear on all that. Can anyone clarify for me? All the reports I've read online have just muddled it even more for me.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:16 AM (4df7R)

165 This is going to be reverse-OJ, IMHO. He's going to be convicted, regardless of the facts. And with the Federales looking to add a hate crime charge, Zimmerman might just be looking at the death penalty. This isn't about justice or the truth, and never was.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 16, 2012 11:17 AM (VJUQK)

166 The judge has thrown out the SYG defense.

News to me. Was this at the initial hearing?

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 11:17 AM (NG097)

167
Here's some summaries by The Conservative Treehouse:



http://is.gd/B6mt4j



Don't know if that's what anyone was looking for.....

****


Yes! That's exactly the site I was asking about. There has been A LOT of work done on this case. Worth reading, particularly, is the mapping and timeline of the event.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:18 AM (piMMO)

168 In FL, "stand your ground" is NOT limited to your home. In many big cases, it has been asserted for someone in their car.

Any person walking the public streets has the right to defend themselves. More so if you're getting badly beaten flat on your back on the ground.

Zim's lawyer has to set a special hearing to get the case dismissed acc. to stand your ground, it will be ruled on by a judge, not a jury. But even if the case is not dismissed, he can argue it to the jury later on.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 16, 2012 11:18 AM (1X/a4)

169 We ignored physical evidence and witness testimpny because Zimmerman was inconsistent in telling his side of the story. That to me warrants a 2nd degree murder rap.

Posted by: Fat-Ass, Smiley-Faced "Republican" Prosecutor at May 16, 2012 11:19 AM (ShuAW)

170 " Z needed to be in danger of imminent death from Martin which he was not. "

Where do you live? Are the sidewalks there paved with kittens and goosedown?

Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:19 AM (sPO/s)

171 I don't care about SYG or no SYG, he has the right of reasonable self defense no matter where he is.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:19 AM (Dnbau)

172 Dare I go back to the first Ace post on this case to look for the dickbags that wanted to hang Zimmerman?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2012 11:20 AM (ebPtk)

173 Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:08 AM (Qr9Rc)

Sorry... but you are sooo wrong, on sooo many levels... but it is the Euro view of this type of situation.

It is NOT illegal to carry a gun, if you have a permit.

It is NOT illegal to walk your own neighborhood.

It is NOT illegal, and in fact ENCOURAGED, to create Neighborhood Watch Programs.

It is NOT illegal, and in fact encouraged, to call the Police if you see somthing suspicious.

It is NOT illegal to think someone you don't know, in your neighborhood, looks suspicious.

It si NOT illegal to follow someone in public.

It is NOT illegal to even confront someone, and talk to them in public (although can be unwise for saftey reasons).

It IS illegal to Assault someone.

It is NOT illegal to defend yourself, even with deadly force, if you are being assaulted, and think your life is in Jeopardy.

You CANNOT relie on the Police to keep you safe... they can only arrest someone AFTER a crime... they cannot prevent them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 16, 2012 11:20 AM (lZBBB)

174 For those wondering why Martin would walk that far in the rain, at night to go to the store. I did it all the time as a kid as did my friends until we had cars. 2 mi to the local 7-11. Day, night, rain or shine. Didn't matter. More kids should. Maybe there wouldn't be so much obesity.

Posted by: Panters Rosa at May 16, 2012 11:20 AM (kvtaf)

175 Martin would have had the advantage in reach.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)



And youth.


****

And the rage of centuries of ancestors calling out to him to get justice!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:21 AM (piMMO)

176 Now, I can see ways that this is the case - that Z provokes, perhaps
even throws the first punch, then gets his ass beat and then shoots the
guy.


I can't. It makes no sense. Remember: Zimmerman also knew the cops were already on their way. Average police response time is, what, 5 minutes? That means he had to know (from the duration of his call, etc) that the cops would be there in just a minute or two.

So he starts a fight with the cops already nearly there? In what world does that make sense?

Moreover, and I don't think this is getting enough play, because we know that Zimmerman is telling the truth about everything we can verify, we then extend to him the benefit of the doubt on things we can't verify.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 11:21 AM (8y9MW)

177 To take it upon yourseld to go out in your neighborhood strapped looking for perps is vigilante.

This garbage is absolute bullshit. Do you know why Zimmerman was carrying a gun? He and his wife had both been threatened by a neighbor's pit bull. The police couldn't do anything about it and they told him to buy a gun, which he did. He also was going to the store, not on neighborhood watch at the time. Get your fucking facts straight before spouting off next time.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (3jGS1)

178 Dare I go back to the first Ace post on this case to look for the dickbags that wanted to hang Zimmerman?


*****

Do. Not.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (piMMO)

179 MWR - that story is never going to make any sense, because it's utter bullshit.

he was wandering around looking for crap to steal

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (SB0V2)

180 Trayvon was suspended from school where he lived in Miami and sent to his daddy. The little brother is probably another of daddy's babies with a different baby mama entirely--could be the "fiance" (originally girlfriend but her title was switched). Either little brother lives with his daddy or he was with him too like Trayvon.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (mFIbw)

181 8 5 lincolnf

she took a gamble to catapult her career not seek justice.....and she was oh so wrong......oh so very wrong.......
----------------------------------

If loving Trayvon, pulled pork, and the limelight is wrong, then baby I don't wanna be right!

Posted by: Fat-Ass, Smiley-Faced at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (ShuAW)

182 It's the Duke rape case all over again. Ambitious politically motivated prosecutor decides to make a name for themselves and files charges. We can only hope this prosecutor ends up like Mike Nifong. Didn't he end up being charged and found guilty?

Posted by: Boots at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (neKzn)

183 The lawyer on Red Eye radio last night said there are something like 65 CD's or zip drives of evidence in this case.

Posted by: tick tock at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (oZfic)

184 Yeah. The thing about it is, the people who are on board with Saint Trayvon won't be dissuaded by facts. You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't use reason to arrive at in the fist place.

Posted by: Truman North at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (UFS11)

185 Dare I go back to the first Ace post on this case to look for the dickbags that wanted to hang Zimmerman?

No. I'm not even sure what my initial stance was, based on the initial reporting. People are allowed to come to new conclusions based on new information.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (8y9MW)

186 Moreover, and I don't think this is getting enough play, because we know that Zimmerman is telling the truth about everything we can verify, we then extend to him the benefit of the doubt on things we can't verify.

this should be said AGAIN AND AGAIN. Yes, exactly.

Also, the police should sue the state of FLA for just being assholes

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (SB0V2)

187 Once again a "new" fact comes out that supports the initial assessment of the case made by the local authorities before it became a cause celebre for Big Racial Grievance(tm).

Of course, the police and prosecutors have had this knowledge for some time and it played into their decision not to charge Zimmerman to begin with, but what the hell do they know?

Posted by: Andy at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (5Rurq)

188 If Zimmerman threw the first punch, why didn't Martin have any bruises? All he had was skinned knuckles.That's consistent with hitting someone, not blocking a punch...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 16, 2012 11:24 AM (ZHge+)

189 If we'd just close all convenience stores, this wouldn't happen. Just say NO to convenience stores! Evil. Bloodsucking. Monsters.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 16, 2012 11:24 AM (pVvkk)

190 Oh please, I need to see 7-11 tape before I believe that Trayvon was going to the store.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:24 AM (mFIbw)

191 SYG defense was thrown out in a different FL case, not Zimmerman vs. The MFM

Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:25 AM (+hPIb)

192 there is no tape, Dagny.

you and I both know that. if there was we'd have seen it

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:25 AM (SB0V2)

193 Do. Not.Posted by: Niedermeyer's

Ah, you're right.

I should wait until he's let go...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2012 11:25 AM (ebPtk)

194 this is really, really a bad thing.

effing Florida. why are they so messed up?

this case makes my brain burn

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:26 AM (SB0V2)

195 "If we'd just close all convenience stores, this wouldn't happen. Just say NO to convenience stores! Evil. Bloodsucking. Monsters."

NO! We need more of them! If Lil' Tray had ready access to a closer convenience store than the one he was forced to walk to at the time of this incident, then maybe this never would have happened!
We need to do something about these convenience store deserts!

Barack knows what it's like to have to take a bus in order to get some fresh fruit (flavors).

Posted by: M'Cel Obama at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (+hPIb)

196 Somebody permanently plant a sock in Al Sharpton's mouth.

Please.

Posted by: kallisto at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (jm/9g)

197
Just saying there's a difference between what seems right, what is morally right and the law. If Z's little community posse was not registered with the county and sherriffs office then he acted as a citizen on his own behalf. The prosecutor could then portrat Z as a loner who was himself a nusance habitual 911 caller. Z could have witnessed Martin breaking into someones home that in itself would not justify the shooting. I have kicked ass for alot less .
LOL

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (Qr9Rc)

198 [ahem, I argued against the concept of "St Trayvon the Eternal Child" on the first asinine babble/jezebel post so as usual . . do not doubt the Orchid]

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (SB0V2)

199 185 I'm pretty confident that my initial reaction was either "bull" or wait for more info. The duke lax case has ruined my sympathy response. Even then I was instantly sure that the lax bros hadn't raped the crack whore. Hell, I didn't even buy that Strauss-Kahn was a rapist. Dirtbag letch but not what she said.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (mFIbw)

200 Sonny, honey you're making up pretty stories over there.

How about the truth for a change?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:28 AM (SB0V2)

201 I heard that Crystal Gayle Magnum was in town and stole the Trayvon Martin 7-11 security tape.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:29 AM (mFIbw)

202 The link that Tami posted is a great place to go for those looking for some good de-bunking. Check out Update number 8 and scroll down about a quarter way down the page for the map and timeline.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (piMMO)

203
It's the Duke rape case all over again. Ambitious politically motivated
prosecutor decides to make a name for themselves and files charges. We
can only hope this prosecutor ends up like Mike Nifong. Didn't he end up
being charged and found guilty?

Posted by: Boots at May 16, 2012 11:23 AM (neKzn)

I agree and that cocksucker Nifong was charged, found guilty, disbarred and bankrupted. Let's hope there is a similar result in this case.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (3jGS1)

204
I'll bring this up again: does anyone think that this case wasn't investigated by the Sanford Police, the Seminole County prosecutor's office and possibly the State of Florida, too, since there was a death?

There is a good reason why Z wasn't charged immediately after the incident and remained uncharged until the Professional Racist Posse of Sharpton and the NBPP got their slimy hands on this case.

This is nothing but a scam and a show trial.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (d0Tfm)

205 I have kicked ass for alot less .LOLPosted by: Sonnyspats

Your concern and ITG act is noted.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (ebPtk)

206 Ok, ... fine... ummm... Sidewalks are hard.. and evil!!11! If there were no sidewalks, this wouldn't have happened!!!!1

End sidewalk oppression NOW!!!

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (pVvkk)

207
Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (3jGS1
Hey Captain Douchenozzel just putting out hypotheticals .

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (Qr9Rc)

208 End sidewalk oppression NOW!!!

you're right, we need cushier sidewalks!

I smell stimulus dollars!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:31 AM (SB0V2)

209 113 if trayvon were alive today.... He would be scratching frantically at the lid of his coffin.
Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 11:00 AM (NG097)
**
Heheh...I laughed.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 16, 2012 11:31 AM (eavT+)

210 Z could have witnessed Martin breaking into someones home that in itself would not justify the shooting. I have kicked ass for alot less .LOL

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:27 AM (Qr9Rc)

Uhhhh.. Z called 911.... which is what he would have done if he had seen someone breaking into a house.

What justified the shooting was Trayvons ASSAULT on Z.... where he felt in danger of his life.

No one did anything either moraly, nor legaly, wrong until someone threw that first punch... and from the evidence there is nothing to contradict Z's story that it was T who threw that punch.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 16, 2012 11:32 AM (lZBBB)

211 Fine, agreed he walked to the store. Where are the treats? The store camera showing he went there? His phone records showing who he called at the time? Why didn't his kin go outside and ask the cops investigating the case if they had seen him?

I have a 16 year old. He doesn't drive yet. He decided to walk home from a restaurant. We had recently moved and he got a little lost. I called him dozens of times. When he didn't answer I assumed his phone was dead and I got in my car and drove around looking for him. After an hour and a half and the sun was going down I called the police.

Alls well that ends well. He got lost, he found his way home. I was so relieved I forgot to kill him.

Here is what I didn't do. I didn't not call. If Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend right before this happened his phone was working. Why didn't his family call him? The police would have answered it.

Why didn't they retrace his possible route to the store? Why didn't they call the police?

This stinks to me. This isn't how parents behave unless the kid has stayed out all night before and gotten in trouble before. They didn't ask cause they didn't want to know. They assumed he was up to no good and didn't want to draw attention to it.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:32 AM (Dnbau)

212 Zimmerman is either telling the truth or he is Shane from The Walking Dead.

Posted by: Karusky at May 16, 2012 11:32 AM (kwOeR)

213
If Z's little community posse was not registered with the county and sherriffs office then he acted as a citizen on his own behalf.

If? You just might want to do a bit of research before you start with all your "iffing." Unless that's all you have.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 16, 2012 11:33 AM (d0Tfm)

214 We need to do something about these convenience store deserts!

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

Posted by: Ted Theodore Logan ponders the magnitude of 69 at May 16, 2012 11:33 AM (q5fYz)

215 >> The prosecutor could then portrat Z as a loner who was himself a nusance habitual 911 caller.

How many calls over what time period, Sonnyspaz?

Hint: you're about to run into another "fact" you think you know about this case that isn't really true if you bother to actually look into it.

But you won't.

Posted by: Andy at May 16, 2012 11:33 AM (5Rurq)

216 Sonny should stop digging.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 11:33 AM (NG097)

217 Awww, damn. Just lost a bet over this coming out. Being wrong sucks.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 11:34 AM (snRY5)

218 Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:22 AM (3jGS1
Hey Captain Douchenozzel just putting out hypotheticals .

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (Qr9Rc)

Alright captain kickass but get your facts straight before you do.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:34 AM (3jGS1)

219 Pardon me, Theresa posted the link.


Here's a good place to start: http://bit.ly/HI7QYm



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:34 AM (piMMO)

220 I agree and that cocksucker Nifong was charged, found guilty, disbarred and bankrupted. Let's hope there is a similar result in this case.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 16, 2012 11:30 AM (3jGS1)

Yeah... when the Special Prosecutor, at the announcment of charges said she "prayed with Trayvon's family' the night before???

I'll admit... I gag'd... the blatant pandering was obvious... and as she represents the STATE, and not Trayvon's family?... she is supposed to be representing US....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 16, 2012 11:34 AM (lZBBB)

221 Sonny, please go read the reporting at the link above.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:34 AM (piMMO)

222 Quoting: "For those wondering why Martin would walk that far in the rain, at night
to go to the store. I did it all the time as a kid as did my friends
until we had cars. 2 mi to the local 7-11. Day, night, rain or shine.
Didn't matter. More kids should. Maybe there wouldn't be so much
obesity."

PR: It ain't your kind of neighborhood anymore. Nowadays, it's the best way to get yourself mugged, arrested or killed.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 16, 2012 11:35 AM (VJUQK)

223 I have the benefit of having athletic sons who would never walk anywhere.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 11:35 AM (mFIbw)

224 Clearly, Martin's knuckle injuries were caused by Zimmerman repeatedly and mercilessly thrusting his nose, eye sockets and face into Martin's fists.

And the cuts to the back of his head were caused by Zimmerman violently falling backwards due the tremendous recoil caused by the NRA-approved cannon he used to kill poor innocent Trayvon, the 12-year-old honor student who was trying to stimulate the local economy through Skittles and Iced tea sales.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 16, 2012 11:37 AM (iAUf+)

225 So the FL Prosecutor ended up Nifonging herself. Lovely.

Posted by: clp at May 16, 2012 11:37 AM (h/iAe)

226 Meanwhile SEIU Trayvon's SEIU mother Sybrina SEIU Fulton, has received 34 SEIU weeks worth of SEIU donated time off from fellow SEIU Miami-Dade County government SEIU employees, allowing her to be SEIU paid while taking SEIU time off from SEIU work to deal with SEIU issues surrounding the racially SEIU charged murder case.

No, that's not a direct quote.

http://tinyurl.com/freetimefulton

Posted by: Rocky at May 16, 2012 11:37 AM (pem4h)

227
@184 You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't use reason to arrive at in the fist place.
...............................
Well said right there Truman! Facts don't matter. The "narrative" spun by the family/girlfriend on phonevia the defense attorney is what most know about the "facts" up to now thru the MSM regarding what sweet Trayvon was doing that night. Good points too AllenG about starting a fight after you've called the cops. Thugs start fights. If I'm carrying, I'm NOT going to get up close in scuffle-range with someone and initiate a fist fight like that. Risk of being disarmed too high.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 16, 2012 11:38 AM (Mrdk1)

228 Neidermeyer's Dead Horse:

The blog can be found by googling Conservative Treehouse.

Yes, this is the best coverage of the whole case online, by a long shot.

23 updates so far, all exhaustive.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 11:39 AM (X2sgY)

229 PR: It ain't your kind of neighborhood anymore. Nowadays, it's the best way to get yourself mugged, arrested or killed.
Posted by: Mr_Write at May 16, 2012 11:35 AM (VJUQK)

Really? Kids here walk all the time, and they walk more in the high-crime areas (because those areas are full of people who don't have cars). Obviously I'm not in Sanford (are you?) but all the immediate "No way a kid would walk that far for Skittles!" reactions were really aggravating. My stepsons before they could drive would walk to and from the store because they were bored, maybe they'd see someone they knew while they were out, and they could have talk on the cell phones without house noise/nosy siblings overhearing. I did the same thing when I was a kid. Giving my 11-year-olds permission to walk to the store without me or dad was thrilling to them.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (snRY5)

230 Sorry, didn't see that you'd gotten your answer.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (X2sgY)

231 Alright. Let's Go There.
"If Z's little community posse was not registered with the county and sherriffs office then he acted as a citizen on his own behalf."
A) Mischaracterized. Z was a member of the NW, not necessarily the founder,not necessarily the captain. Youimply ownership and a sense of zeal that is not there.
B) I am a member of the NW program for my area. You are always -ALWAYS- acting as a citizen on your own behalf. You are not temporary miniature deputies, and they make thatclear during the training. Multiple times.
C) I don't know if Z was actively "on patrol" as part of the NW at the time of this incident or not. If he was, then they have vastly different rules than the program I am part of in TX. When we are "on patrol," we have radios that are monitored by area dispatch. We don't need to call 911, we talk straight to dispatch plus any other cops that might be on the channel at the time. Much faster than 911. Also, when we are "on patrol," we are FORBIDDEN to carry. Even if we are licensed. Even if we have CC. On Patrol = Unarmed. NW is a "spectator sport." So, judging by the presense of Z's weapon and the absense of communication with police better than his cell phone, I'm think he was not on patrol at the time. For what it's worth.

"The prosecutor could then portrat Z as a loner who was himself a nusance habitual 911 caller. Z could have witnessed Martin breaking into someones home that in itself would not justify the shooting."

Correct. Z couldn't shoot Tray for breaking into someone elses' house, from what I know of FL law.
But if Tray saw Z notice him, and call it in, and then Tray decided to go "keep him quiet" about it, then game on. This would be Z standing-his-ground.

Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (+hPIb)

232 The prosecutor could then portrat Z as a loner who was himself a nusance habitual 911 caller.

Another "fact" that has been thoroughly debunked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:43 AM (4df7R)

233 Hey Jenny, my kid walks too, and got lost, and I called him, went looking for him, called the police.

I didn't wait at home to be told where he is. Something about this stinks. This isn't how parents behave unless the kid has stayed out all night before and they think they are covering for him.

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:43 AM (Dnbau)

234 A) Mischaracterized. Z was a member of the NW, not necessarily the
founder,not necessarily the captain. Youimply ownership and a sense of
zeal that is not there.


****

He WAS the captain. He was asked to serve in that role and he was not on patrol, but returning to his home when he spotted suspicious activity.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:45 AM (piMMO)

235 Really? Kids here walk all the time, and they walk more in the
high-crime areas (because those areas are full of people who don't have
cars). Obviously I'm not in Sanford (are you?) but all the immediate
"No way a kid would walk that far for Skittles!" reactions were really
aggravating. My stepsons before they could drive would walk to and from
the store because they were bored, maybe they'd see someone they knew
while they were out, and they could have talk on the cell phones without
house noise/nosy siblings overhearing. I did the same thing when I was
a kid. Giving my 11-year-olds permission to walk to the store without
me or dad was thrilling to them.


*****

Do you realize that the terms "tea" and "skittles" are also code for drugs now?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:46 AM (piMMO)

236 Where did the skittles and iced tea story come from? Martin's family?
Maybe that is what he told them when he left the house to case the neighborhood. Let's not forget the anonymous black woman neighbor of Zimmerman's who said there had been a rash of burglaries by young black men in the neighborhood. She had to remain anonymous to avoid retribution from the Sharpton types.

Posted by: real joe at May 16, 2012 11:46 AM (lgANn)

237 Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:43 AM (Dnbau)

That, I agree with you on. I've never accused the Martins of being good parents and it's pretty clear that they were all shady.

Like I said upthread, I'm thoroughly convinced the Zimmerman was well within his rights.

I'm just commenting on the craziness of saying that kids don't walk that far to the store...there have been a lot of nutso comments in defense of Zimmerman that made this case so crazy. Like insisting that no one would walk that far to the store, that sidewalks are not "public property" etc.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 11:49 AM (snRY5)

238 "He WAS the captain. He was asked to serve in that role and he was not on patrol, but returning to his home when he spotted suspicious activity."

Thank you. TMYK! (or, I guess in this case, TMIK).

Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:50 AM (kZVsz)

239 According to Urban Dictionary

Iced Tea - Liquid Crack

Skittles - Ecstasy

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:50 AM (Dnbau)

240 231Alright. Let's Go There.
"If Z's little community posse was not registered with the county and sherriffs office then he acted as a citizen on his own behalf."
A) Mischaracterized. Z was a member of the NW, not necessarily the founder,not necessarily the captain. Youimply ownership and a sense of zeal that is not there.
B) I am a member of the NW program for my area. You are always -ALWAYS- acting as a citizen on your own behalf. You are not temporary miniature deputies, and they make thatclear during the training. Multiple times.
C) I don't know if Z was actively "on patrol" as part of the NW at the time of this incident or not. If he was, then they have vastly different rules than the program I am part of in TX. When we are "on patrol," we have radios that are monitored by area dispatch. We don't need to call 911, we talk straight to dispatch plus any other cops that might be on the channel at the time. Much faster than 911. Also, when we are "on patrol," we are FORBIDDEN to carry. Even if we are licensed. Even if we have CC. On Patrol = Unarmed. NW is a "spectator sport." So, judging by the presense of Z's weapon and the absense of communication with police better than his cell phone, I'm think he was not on patrol at the time. For what it's worth.

"The prosecutor could then portrat Z as a loner who was himself a nusance habitual 911 caller. Z could have witnessed Martin breaking into someones home that in itself would not justify the shooting."

Correct. Z couldn't shoot Tray for breaking into someone elses' house, from what I know of FL law.
But if Tray saw Z notice him, and call it in, and then Tray decided to go "keep him quiet" about it, then game on. This would be Z standing-his-ground.Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (+hPIb)"If" Your Honor I rest my case! Z could go from Hero the Zero!

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 11:50 AM (Qr9Rc)

241 Do you realize that the terms "tea" and "skittles" are also code for drugs now?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 11:46 AM (piMMO)


This. The second I heard "iced tea and Skittles" associated with this story, that's the first place my brain went. "Skittles, huh? Sounds like drugs. Amphetamines of some sort. And iced tea could be meth, or liquor."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:51 AM (4df7R)

242 Corey may have had a good reputation prior to this, but I guaran-damn-tee that this isn't the first time she's railroaded someone for her own career. You don't do this for the first time on a high-profile case like this. She's had practice, and she was smooth. She showed absolutely no reservations in doing so. She's done it before.

Some poor, innocent (or at least, not as guilty as she said) SOB is rotting in prison because of this bitch. Bank on it.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 16, 2012 11:52 AM (NS2Mo)

243 Has anybody seen the cornors report on Tryavon, has toxicology come back yet? It usually takes weeks to come back

Posted by: thunderb at May 16, 2012 11:52 AM (Dnbau)

244 The whole "story" put forward by Trayvon's family makes little sense in a normal way. They didn't keep close tabs on him. Once this all happened, the girlfriend and the family and this greivance atty come up with their timeline and story and shop it to MSNBC and here we go.... a month or so AFTER the shooting.. it's all BS. I am sorry Zim is going through this. The meme got all messed up with he turns out to behispanic with black heritage,a lifelong democrat and an upstanding citizen in his neighborhood. The kind of democrat you could admire.. trying to take a stake and help out instead of demanding the cops do it all....

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 16, 2012 11:52 AM (Mrdk1)

245 grognard, now you know why I am anti- Death Penalty

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 16, 2012 11:54 AM (SB0V2)

246 The judge needs to hammer the prosecutor in this case for leaving out what was known and relevant. Hard to blame a lawyer for going over the line if the judge is not going to enforce the penalty for doing so.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 16, 2012 11:55 AM (C2//T)

247 jenny

with all due respect...you were a trayvon supporter at the beginning....you were certain george was the agressor...i'm glad you finally see what most of the commenters here saw from the get go but really...the nutso stuff regarding this case was coming from the msm....and believed and repeated by people like you...........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at May 16, 2012 11:56 AM (4/NTV)

248 If the FL polls show a tight race no way the DOJ will bring hate crime charges before Nov.

Posted by: kallisto at May 16, 2012 11:56 AM (jm/9g)

249 I'm just commenting on the craziness of saying that kids don't walk that far to the store...there have been a lot of nutso comments in defense of Zimmerman that made this case so crazy. Like insisting that no one would walk that far to the store, that sidewalks are not "public property" etc.
Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 11:49 AM (snRY5)


I don't know that anyone was particularly saying it was insane to believe anyone would walk a distance to reach the store; if they were, I wasn't there to read it, so I bow to your characterization. My personal skepticism comes from the fact that:
A) It was raining
B) it was evening; and
C) Skittles and iced tea aren't typically the kind of thing a kid is going to go out at night in the rain to buy if they have to walk an appreciable distance.

Milk and bread maybe, or even something like chips and salsa. But a bag of candy for someone else -- not even himself -- and some iced tea? It just doesn't make sense to me. If what he wanted to do was walk around and get some fresh air, maybe chat with his girlfriend, fine. That makes sense. If he wanted to go out and buy or sell drugs, that also makes sense. But walking that distance in that weather in a neighborhood that you aren't even very familiar with in order to make such paltry purchases? I'm sorry, it just doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)

250 Did I imagine it but didn't the defense attorney also get a death threat?

I wonder how many death threats he has gotten that haven't been reported.

Posted by: jimmuy at May 16, 2012 11:59 AM (kSaUf)

251
250 Did I imagine it but didn't the defense attorney also get a death threat?I wonder how many death threats he has gotten that haven't been reported.
Posted by: jimmuy at May 16, 2012 11:59 AM (kSaUf)


I suspect that attorneys of all stripes get death threats on a regular basis. In the case of GZ's defense attorney, though, I hope they're taking them VERY seriously.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 12:00 PM (4df7R)

252 Did I imagine it but didn't the defense attorney also get a death threat?

I wonder how many death threats he has gotten that haven't been reported.


****

Yes. On the day he received discovery, he received a "credible death threat."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:01 PM (piMMO)

253 Yes, Angela Coreyhas a tendency togrin like she has a snake up her ass. Bad habit. When your best friends won't tell you...

Maybe that's her, "I'm doing something completely shitty, reprehensible and unethical and need to put myself in a state of altered consciousness to go through with it" smile.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 16, 2012 12:01 PM (w41GQ)

254 The judge needs to hammer the prosecutor in this case for leaving out
what was known and relevant. Hard to blame a lawyer for going over the
line if the judge is not going to enforce the penalty for doing so.


****

From watching the judge during the bail hearing, he seemed very reasonable and unaffected by the notoriety of the case. Very, VERY, un-Ito-like.

I do not believe he'll take well to his courtroom being misused.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:03 PM (piMMO)

255 I was never certain that Zimmerman was the aggressor, I said all along I wanted to see more investigation. Now I see it. Now the facts are clear. At the time, the right-wing blogs didn't have really any more info than the msm.

Really, the information that was out there was that there was some sort of confrontation between two people. One ended up dead. The one that didn't end up dead did actually have a history of being arrested and charged with a violent crime. I continue to think that it was fair to think that it was more likely than not that the guy with the gun, and the documented history of violence would have been the aggressor.

None of that changes the fact that this "Nowadays, it's the best way to get yourself mugged, arrested or killed." is on its face a ridiculous statement. Which is all I was responding to.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:03 PM (snRY5)

256 Considering that actual information is being released, I think the time for speculation and far fetched hypotheticals is past. Again, nothing material in Zimmerman's account has been contradicted in the released information. Nothing.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 12:05 PM (NG097)

257
Posted by: reason at May 16, 2012 11:41 AM (+hPIb
This whole case rests on the last 'if'. Thank you for clarifying. Ths prosecutor has a case. She may have overcharged Z but kicking someones ass while unarmed will be hard to meet the requirements of the STY law as life threatening. w/o his SYG defense things don't look good for Z, although the case my get thrown out due to the nature of the charges. If it goes to trial then Z is in deep doo doo! The prosecutor is looking for Z to plead nolo contendere or guiltyto a lesser charge. From what I read Z's laywer is kind of weaksauce.

Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 12:05 PM (Qr9Rc)

258 Ths prosecutor has a case.

She brought a case. Unless there is a bombshell hidden somewhere, she has no case.

Posted by: toby928© at May 16, 2012 12:07 PM (NG097)

259 If you want the best research available on this case, go to Conservative Treehouse, and, in the drop-down "topics" menu that appears in the upper-right column, select "Treyvon Martin". Go back -- way back.

Every question in this thread (where did the "skittles and tea" angle come from?) is answered, and then some.

The defense for Zimmerman should be using the info presented at that site, it's that good.

(But they won't, because good people are stupid.)

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:07 PM (X2sgY)

260 THIS IS NOT A STAND-YOUR-GROUND CASE.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 16, 2012 12:08 PM (w41GQ)

261 osted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 16, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)

Meh. I think teenagers usually walk to the store more to relieve boredom and get away from siblings than to relieve hunger or Skittles/chips/whatever cravings anyway. When I was a kid I didn't start out with "I want ice cream" I started out with "I'm bored" when I ended up walking an insane distance to Furr's to get ice cream. For what it's worth, I never bought the argument that he was getting skittles for his brother---that always struck me as parents/media trying to make him look like a good kid.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:10 PM (snRY5)

262 (hey, who reset the hash-tags? after all these years.... mine was always LtfED, in some fashion of caps and lowercase...and now it ain't?)

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:11 PM (X2sgY)

263 @262 your IP address changed.

Posted by: Andy at May 16, 2012 12:12 PM (5Rurq)

264 End sidewalk oppression NOW!!!
And sidewalks are fucking white, DARTH! Grass now! Grass forever!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 16, 2012 12:12 PM (FTuxU)

265 Posted by: Sonnyspats at May 16, 2012 12:05 PM (Qr9Rc)

sigh..... once again... SYG is immaterial to this case. It has NOTHING to do with it.

This is Assault on the street... pure and simple. Evidence is that Z was on the ground, getting beat up, when he fired ONE shot from the gun.

All physical evidence we know of corroborates this... and Z did NOTHING ILLEGAL prior to the physical altercation.

If they actualy follow the law, its a clear case of simple Self Defense...

Unless the Prosecutor can show he pulled his gun FIRST? With a witness to that fact?

Zimmerman is on Trial, and the Prosecutor must show, BEYOND A REASONABLE doubt that this is Second Degree Murder... kind of tough when all of the physical evidence corroborates the DEFENDENTS story.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 16, 2012 12:16 PM (lZBBB)

266 jenny, the problem with that is:

AshTrey was just sitting down with the extended family to watch a pretty important basketball game (we are told by the mom and the lawyers)... when he supposedly left to get ice tea (Arizona™, even!) and Skittles™.

In the rain. Two mile walk. Minutes before the start of the much-anticipated Game of the Year.

Leaving out of boredom? To go out in the rain for a two mile hike? I'm not buying that, either. The "Skittles and iced tea" angle was made up by the Martins and their lawyers.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:18 PM (X2sgY)

267
It wasn't that long ago that I was wall to wall Trayvon. Now I don't even mention him. Why do you think that is?

Posted by: Huffington Post at May 16, 2012 12:18 PM (cQC72)

268 Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:07 PM (X2sgY)

*****

Theresa posted the link earlier and I have reposted it and urged repeatedly for commenters to go there for a good debunking of the myths. Some here are so effing intent on sticking to the bullshit MSM narrative that to do some actually reading is too damn much work for them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:19 PM (piMMO)

269 "Dee-Dee, The Girlfriend" is also a fabrication. She's real, she knew AshTrey, but everything else about her that we've been told is a lie.

The phone call to Dee-Dee took place, according to the records, three hours after AshTrey's assault on Zimmerman was stopped. Three hours later, someone called Dee-Dee using a dead man's cellphone.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:23 PM (X2sgY)

270 Why do we assume that Trayvon was as enthusiastic about the basketball game as his family was? If he was into the game, he wouldn't have been out casing houses (as that is assumed to be what he was doing rather than buying candy) during it, either.

But, neither here nor there. All *I'm* saying is that kids, including myself at 15/16/17 and my stepsons who are now 19 and 17, have been known to walk two miles for relatively dumb reasons and that, no, walking is not the fastest way to get yourself killed, mugged, or arrested. Trayvon himself may well have been casing the neighborhood, I really don't know.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:23 PM (snRY5)

271 None of that changes the fact that this "Nowadays, it's the best way to
get yourself mugged, arrested or killed." is on its face a ridiculous
statement. Which is all I was responding to.


Well you must not live near an urban area because walking at night is dangerous as hell. It's a death wish even out in suburbia if you're alone.

Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 12:23 PM (mFIbw)

272
Well you must not live near an urban area because walking at night
is dangerous as hell. It's a death wish even out in suburbia if you're
alone.


******


You are now officially having a conversation with a brick wall.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:26 PM (piMMO)

273 N's Dead Horse:

Some reading? That's a whole day's reading over there, and probably two for most.

"Dee-Dee"'s Twitter feed is there, three whole days of tweets. No hysteria is seen, no "Wow, I was just talking with him!", just "...aw that's too bad, I knew that m'fer too..." followed by a hundred more tweets in the same vein as the previous hundred.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:27 PM (X2sgY)

274 Well you must not live near an urban area because walking at night is dangerous as hell. It's a death wish even out in suburbia if you're alone.
Posted by: Dagny at May 16, 2012 12:23 PM (mFIbw)

First of all, it was 7pm, not late at night. I live in San Antonio, and work near downtown. I grew up in El Paso. Teenagers in both places walk all the time, including at the early hour of the evening that this took place.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:27 PM (snRY5)

275 Regarding Conservative Treehouse

I've never seen coverage of any case or event as thorough as that. NEVER.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:30 PM (X2sgY)

276 Ding Dug, TrayVON the thug is dead.

That's the one good thing out of this whole fiasco so far.

Posted by: John Waynz at May 16, 2012 12:33 PM (jkbK2)

277 Regarding Conservative Treehouse



I've never seen coverage of any case or event as thorough as that. NEVER.


*****

They've taken the time to map out the entire scene and pair it with the timeline of events. And, provide pictures of the scene where it happened. It IS a lot to read, but it irritates the hell out of me that throughout this entire thread some keep tossing out b.s. that has long since been debunked and simply refuse to give it up. The facts are simply too much for them to trouble themselves with.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:35 PM (piMMO)

278 Who the hell is jenny?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:36 PM (piMMO)

279 Dagny, don't let the sweet little name fool you....

Here's a comment from Jenny from the ONT last night:

Is it all the Palins who seem trashy, or is Bristol just kind of a dud? I
heard some tabloid gossip about Willow, but since it never made the
front page when other less-shocking revelations did, I assumed there was
nothing to it. And the oldest son, Track, isn't too trash-tastic is
he? I dunno, it seems like Bristol is the one getting all the attention
lately for acting like a do-do bird.


Don't bother.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:38 PM (piMMO)

280 Florida has a "stand your ground hearing" in front of a judge where Zimmerman has to show by a perponderance of the evidence (i.e. 51% probability of being true) that he was engaging in self defense. If he wins there, and he clearly should, then the state has to pay for his defense, and for lost wages.

That's where this will all end.

Posted by: Greg Q at May 16, 2012 12:40 PM (4Pleu)

281 jenny

sorry but you claimed zimmerman had no injuries...blah blah blah


concerned?

much?

yes, you are

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 12:43 PM (4/NTV)

282 Yes, I maintain that Bristol is acting like a do-do bird. She is making a reality show about her "trial marriage". I think that's do-do bird behavior. I was responding to a comment that all the Palins seemed kind of trashy, which they don't. Bristol, bless her heart, kind of does right now. Which is a shame; it must suck to be that age and have all your normal bad decisions amplified by fame.

But, yeah, to be clear: It's not, in most American cities, a death sentence to go for a walk at 7pm. Yes, teenagers do still do that. BUT I DON'T THINK ZIMMERMAN SHOULD BE CHARGED.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:43 PM (snRY5)

283 Greg Q

When?

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:43 PM (X2sgY)

284 phoenixgirl, I said the tape didn't show injuries and I'd believe it when I saw it or saw a report. The tape didn't show injuries, and now there's a report released.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:44 PM (snRY5)

285 I wish there were a schedule posted, for which parts of the case will be heard, and when.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:45 PM (X2sgY)

286 Give it up Jenny.

You've been outed as the POS troll you are.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:45 PM (piMMO)

287 Yes, fine, anyone who disagrees about a minor point is a troll.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:46 PM (snRY5)

288 Really nice of you to leave off the comment I copy-pasted and was responding to, in last nights ONT, just to twist my words from a *defense* of the Palin's.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:48 PM (snRY5)

289 I see the feds are backing this disgraceful case up with the possible charge of it being a hate crime.

I'm not a lawyer so maybe someone can explain how on Earth the feds could prove that this is a hate crime?

And if it is ruled a hate crime in court what will the impact be for everyone else in the country being it would set what I would think to be a president in sending this guy to jail on what they thought was going through his mind and no actual evidence to point to this being a hate crime, like beating a black guy to near death with 19 friends and walking away saying"That was for Zimmerman".

Posted by: Drider at May 16, 2012 12:49 PM (HaJD9)

290 Yes, fine, anyone who disagrees about a minor point is a troll.


****

I've traced your hash and this is nothing new from you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:50 PM (piMMO)

291 jenny

The original tape, a video taken by some leaker's phone at the police station of another video screen, subsequently aired by the MSM, starting with ABC News, was understandably grainy. It was obviously a camera-phone video of a surveillance monitor, and the fact that it is moving, with the frame of the monitor coming into and receding from view, when the real on-scene surveillance cameras don't move (and take better video), is a clue-and-a-half. The source video showed the lacerations clearly (though not as clearly as the bloody image taken three minutes after the shooting by a neighbor.

The hi-res, non-smartphone images came out a week or less after the "injury-less" video-of-a-CRT were broadcast.

You probably didn't see it though, if you watch TV for your news.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:50 PM (X2sgY)

292 Jenny...this IS your comment.

Is it all the Palins who seem trashy, or is Bristol
just kind of a dud? I heard some tabloid gossip about Willow, but since
it never made the front page when other less-shocking revelations did, I
assumed there was nothing to it. And the oldest son, Track, isn't too
trash-tastic is he? I dunno, it seems like Bristol is the one getting
all the attention lately for acting like a do-do bird.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 15, 2012 10:28 PM (snRY5[/i

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:53 PM (piMMO)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:53 PM (piMMO)

294 "And sidewalks are fucking white, DARTH!"

This is actually a good thing. It helps combat global warming.

Posted by: Steven Chu at May 16, 2012 12:53 PM (sPO/s)

295 jenny

FWIW, I don't think you're a troll.

I do think you could be much better informed, and -- that's why you're here.

And that's why you're gonna read Conservative Treehouse's Treyvon Martin posts, starting with update #1. Because you want to know more. Toss your TV in the garbage (unless it is also your monitor), and Do What I Say.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:55 PM (X2sgY)

296 I reserve the right to retract what I thought I thought in my 295.

Damn, 292 N.D.H.

Jenny, FWIW, I do actually think you're a troll.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:56 PM (X2sgY)

297 You probably didn't see it though, if you watch TV for your news.
Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 12:50 PM (X2sgY)

At the time I made those comments, only the first one had been released and that's the tape I was commenting on. I AGREE (for the fifty-millionth time) that the evidence that came out afterward shows that Zimmerman was clearly injured and clearly within his rights.

@Neidermeyer, if you've traced my hash and you still think I'm a troll, well bully for you. The ONLY thing I've disagreed with most of y'all on is Zimmerman, I've commented on plenty else, and, meh, I have a tendency to play devil's advocate and it gets the better of me at times. I do admit when I'm wrong, and, yeah in this case I was. Lost a bet with my husband on it. On this thread all I've asserted is that no, it's not *that* dangerous to walk at 7 pm in most American cities and somehow that makes me a troll.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 12:57 PM (snRY5)

298 @Neidermeyer, if you've traced my hash and you still think I'm a troll,
well bully for you. The ONLY thing I've disagreed with most of y'all on
is Zimmerman, I've commented on plenty else, and, meh, I have a
tendency to play devil's advocate and it gets the better of me at times.
I do admit when I'm wrong, and, yeah in this case I was. Lost a bet
with my husband on it. On this thread all I've asserted is that no,
it's not *that* dangerous to walk at 7 pm in most American cities and
somehow that makes me a troll.


*****

Then you have a serious case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 12:59 PM (piMMO)

299 "Which is a shame; it must suck to be that age and have all your normal bad decisions amplified by fame."

You get used to it.

Posted by: Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and Miley Cyrus at May 16, 2012 12:59 PM (5npD/)

300 90 The Palins really do seem to be kinda white trashy.
Posted by: Jimbo at May 15, 2012 10:23 PM (O3R/2)

THAT is the comment to which I was responding.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:01 PM (snRY5)

301 Above, the comment to which I was responding when I was talking about the Palins. Here, I was responding to a comment that walking is the fastest way to get yourself mugged, arrested, or killed...which it's not.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:03 PM (snRY5)

302 90 The Palins really do seem to be kinda white trashy.

Posted by: Jimbo at May 15, 2012 10:23 PM (O3R/2)



THAT is the comment to which I was responding.


*****

Then you would do well to mention that in your response.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 16, 2012 01:03 PM (piMMO)

303 Hey, hey,hey.Paris Hilton did not make a bad decision, she made a thoughtful and charitable decision in helping me get through the day.
Now if you will excuse me while Paris and I have another.....session.

Posted by: Drider at May 16, 2012 01:04 PM (HaJD9)

304 Oops, I made a boo-boo. Clearly only trolls do that, and context is never relevant.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:04 PM (snRY5)

305 i linked the police report at the time you made those claims...that in fact the officer on the scene stated....zimmerman was INJURED....you still claimed he wasn't injured...you also made statements about him going home, cleaning up....blah blah blah......there was evidence out there that you chose to over look

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 01:05 PM (4/NTV)

306 No, phoenix, I asked why his clothes looked clean and someone (I think, but won't swear it was EoJ) suggested that maybe he had been allowed to go home and then arrested later.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:06 PM (snRY5)

307 you went on for hours....days even

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 16, 2012 01:06 PM (4/NTV)

308 Jenny, take a chill pill on the Palin's.It's all good.

Oh and Palin could whoop Mathews at jeopardy any day of the week.I'm just saying.

Posted by: Drider at May 16, 2012 01:07 PM (HaJD9)

309 phoenix, wth? I commented on it when the threads came up, as they did for several days. So does everyone. As more information came out, I became more convinced, but, yes, I did start out with the assumption that the older man, with the gun, with the arrest record was the aggressor and I may have held that position on the internet (where opinions really matter) for longer than I should've, because, yeah, being wrong sucks.

Still not a troll.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:10 PM (snRY5)

310 Oh and Palin could whoop Mathews at jeopardy any day of the week.I'm just saying.
Posted by: Drider at May 16, 2012 01:07 PM (HaJD9)

Yeah, I think Piper could hold her own against Tingles, personally.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 16, 2012 01:11 PM (snRY5)

311 Stock up on guns and ammo. If you kill an illegal alien or black gansta who are trying to kill you that makes you a Racist!

However with that said..".Kill all the criminals..let God sort them out!" When seconds count- Homeland security, the Police, FBI, and half white/half black Obama (I call that Whack..heh heh) are about a half hour away.

Bang, bang! Double tap!

Posted by: NukeBoy at May 16, 2012 01:13 PM (mEc6D)

312 97 Of course, what's most ridiculous about the whole thing is that it won't
matter WHAT the final outcome is of this farce. If GZ's found guilty,
there will be riots in memory of Trayvon. If GZ's found not guilty,
there will be riots in retaliation. If the case is thrown out, there
will be riots in protest. Riots WILL happen, and no amount of
appeasement is going to hold them off. All it does is feed into the
victimhood mentality of all those who are screaming for GZ's head.

*
*
Then police departments everywhere should stock up on tear gas and riot gear -- and most important, be ready to use it. Scroo the appeasement. You break the social contract and riot, you get a faceful of gas. No apologies.

(Oops. I accidentally time-slipped back to when America was still sane.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 16, 2012 01:21 PM (exvgC)

313 311

That was Mobying right?

Come on, you can tell us.

Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at May 16, 2012 01:23 PM (X2sgY)

314 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse is on the HUNT.. bwahahaaaaa... awesome.. I'm laughing as I read your beatdown of "jenny". heh

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 16, 2012 01:24 PM (Mrdk1)

315
Oh, and Jenny. I don't comment much, but can't stand devils' advocant arguing. It's maddening and though fun in the dorm room, as adults, it serves little purpose and acutally not a good idea among strangers or non-family.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 16, 2012 01:29 PM (Mrdk1)

316 The best blog for timelines, maps, etc, is Theconservativetreehouse.com

Posted by: Chilling the most at May 16, 2012 01:34 PM (6IV8T)

317 I have no idea whether or not Martin actually did walk to the store that night. There's been no real evidence he did. I'm not trying to defend him. It's just that some still doubt a kid will walk that distance for junk food.
I can still remember walking at night with a couple of friends of mine 2 mi each way for a Coke and a bag of Cool Ranch Doritoes. Rain wouldn't have mattered.

I must admit I didn't know about ice tea and Skittles being code names for drugs. Learn something new everyday.

Posted by: Panters Rosa at May 16, 2012 01:48 PM (kvtaf)

318 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 16, 2012 02:40 PM (7W3wI)

319 Anybody on Facebook should go to Big City Cops Facebook page. They seem to be well aware that there may be race riots because of the Zimmerman/Martin case, which ever way it settles.

Posted by: Chilling the most at May 16, 2012 02:42 PM (6IV8T)

320 Early this morning, I found CNN's "expert" saying that if Zimmerman wants to claim that he was afraid of blacking out and therefore feared for his life, his injuries do not bear that out. ARGH! How much more beaten up does a guy have to be to claim self-defense?

I personally know some libs who will continue to say that no matter what injuries Zimmerman sustained or that Trayvon's knuckles were bleeding, that Zimmerman "asked for it" because he "stalked" Trayvon. They claim that Zimmerman "had it coming".

I hate libs.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 16, 2012 05:51 PM (KL49F)

321 I am sickened with the media pushing this hatred, it is garbage. How many caucasian, Hispanic, oriental, and blacks are killed every day .,.it is sad, but it is note hate. Give it a rest

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The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat