Daily Caller: "Favorable same-sex marriage coverage frustrates Obama’s media plan"

Does that headline make no sense to you?

It didn't make sense to me, but now that I've read the article, it does.

You see, Obama's plan was to pivot away quickly from this. Hit it, say the words the high-money gay donors want to hear (or at least words they'll accept, and then drop it.

Trouble is, the media loveloveloves gay marriage. So they won't let it move off the front page.

Favorable media coverage is frustrating President Barack Obama’s efforts to downplay the public controversy over his May 9 announcement in favor of same-sex marriage.

The importance of his media management efforts was demonstrated by two new polls which show his donation-boosting decision to be a negative at the polls.

A new May 11-13 poll of registered voters by the New York Times and CBS showed that 22 percent of independents were “less likely” to support Obama because of his May 9 announcement that he supports same-sex marriage.

In contrast, only 14 percent of the independents said the decision made them more likely to support him in November, according to the poll.

One thing about this article: I kind of dig it, but there's little to support the central assertion that Obama's "plan" was to "downplay" the issue. The article just sort of asserts it, assumes it, without evidence.

Mickey Kaus meanwhile notes that headlines like this:

Majority say Obama’s gay marriage stance won’t change their vote

...are completely jackass and deliberately -- cocoonishly -- hiding the actual story from the audience.

But 39% said it would–and they split two-to-one against Obama and gay marriage....

Worse, among independents, 23% said it would make them less likely to vote for Obama while only 11% said it made them more likely–a negative for a net of 12% of this group. Obviously, “less likely” doesn’t mean it’s going to be the deciding factor for that 12%–there are bigger issues, and gay marriage seems likely to fade in salience. But even if it’s the deciding factor for a tenth of that 12%, it’s a blow to Obama’s chances. The headline should have read something like:

Poll: Obama’s gay marriage stance hurts him with key voters

...but that's not the Narrative the media wishes -- the narrative they wish is "President Awesome Does Awesome, Awesome Thing; Public Rewards Him Awesomely for His Awesomeness."

"President does something the media likes and the public doesn't and the public punishes him" is a downer they don't want to note.

Kaus notes his colleague/friend Robert Wright making all sorts of cocoonishly hacktacular assumptions -- like that those independents who say they'll be less likely to vote for Obama are really lying, and are "closet Obama-haters" who would have voted against Obama anyway.

All of them?

I suppose that's possible, but if you're just going to assume false answers to polling questions, why bother discussing polls at all? Whenever objective data gives you a read you don't like, you reject the data; so your analysis is not in any real sense dependent on, or sensitive to, the data. You Know What You Know and You Know It. Why pretend otherwise?

In fairness, there's a bit of this in everyone. But while I might say that there are some voters who are claiming a greater affection for the president than they actually feel (you're not racist if you vote against the president but pretend you really think "he's such a great guy" even as you vote against him), certainly I wouldn't say this is a big factor. 3-4%, maybe.

I'm not claiming that everyone saying something I don't like is lying.

Speaking of denialism, the NYT poll found that by 3 to 1, the public thinks Obama's same sex decision isn't a Gutsy Call at all, but rather Craven Political Maneuvering, as Drew mentioned earlier.

Obama's people are now calling the New York Times and CBS biased wingnut liars who lie wingnutty lies.


Posted by: Ace at 01:53 PM



Comments

1 >>Majority say Obama’s gay marriage stance won’t change their vote

Well...it's true. His coming out last week isn't changing the vote of anyone here. :-D

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 15, 2012 01:55 PM (/kI1Q)

2 I said it before, this election is going to be all gay, all the time, all the way to November.

Posted by: EC at May 15, 2012 01:55 PM (GQ8sn)

3 It's a problem when Barry says something the MSM finds FABULOUS!

Posted by: huerfano at May 15, 2012 01:57 PM (bAGA/)

4 Well.. meh..

Ace - the CBS/Gallup poll that showed 25% would be affected by the gay marriage thing.. those could easily be conservatives who wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

It is really hard to tell from any of these polls whether anyone changed their view of Obama just because of the gay marriage stuff.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 15, 2012 01:57 PM (f9c2L)

5 If the Bammy administration didn't want this to be a story with long legs, he shouldn't have held a special interview with whatshername at 1:30 in the afternoon a few days after Joey Biden's "unscripted" "gaffe."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 01:58 PM (4df7R)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 01:58 PM (8y9MW)

7
Yet they still want to frame it as a tough choice that was daring and dangerous, with real bad consequences for being so tough. Can they have it both ways? Apparently, yes.

Posted by: arminius at May 15, 2012 01:58 PM (cDnhR)

8
I'm all in for butt fucking! Vote for me and preserve the right to bugger your best friend Milton. Or Barney.

Posted by: Baraka O'Evolver at May 15, 2012 01:58 PM (ndqJC)

9 I don't believe that he wanted to pivot away from it. Or, at least, I don't think he minds too much.

Every day spent on Gay Marriage is a day not spent on The Economy. About which of those two things do you think SCOAMT would prefer the election to be?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 01:59 PM (8y9MW)

10 Polling data says gay male dogeating condom salesmen are now firmly in the Obama camp.

Posted by: Cicero at May 15, 2012 01:59 PM (QKKT0)

11 Damn, I actually support gay marriage, it almost sucks that this issue is hurting him.

Almost.

Posted by: JDTAY at May 15, 2012 02:00 PM (sFP59)

12 When that phone rings at 3 a.m. and there's a drag queen on the other line, who would you want in the Oval Office?

Posted by: Cicero at May 15, 2012 02:00 PM (QKKT0)

13 If Barky can sue States over the 'civil rights' of illegal immigrants.....then he can sure as shit sue States over homosexuals 'rights' to marry.

I have been seeing conservatives....such as Monica Crowley.....dismissing Barky's statement about "Gays should have the right to marry, but it is up to the States", as being 'meaningless' because he is throwing it back to the States.

This is bullshit. ....It's not 'meaningless'. ....This is Barky's way of telegraphing what he will do, in his 2nd term. ....You know, when he is fully flexible to be all powerful.

Posted by: wheatie at May 15, 2012 02:01 PM (dHMPi)

14 Obama still gay.

Posted by: Newsweek at May 15, 2012 02:02 PM (c3mby)

15 When will the SCOAMT appear in an episode of Glee?

Posted by: Bob Saget at May 15, 2012 02:02 PM (SDkq3)

16
He may have held one in his mouth, but there's no way we can validate whether he sucked on it.

Posted by: The Advocate at May 15, 2012 02:03 PM (ndqJC)

17 WABC radio news is saying they just heard the FBI is investigating the mess over at jamie's place.

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 02:03 PM (oZfic)

18 The devil always overplays his hand. The flop sweat is dripping with each day. i believe that this is Romney's to lose.

Posted by: Cheri at May 15, 2012 02:04 PM (G+Wff)

19 The Newsweek cover is proof that it was part of the plan. No way Tina puts that on the cover without permission from Axelrod/Jarrett.

The fact is that it is another example of a meme that has blown up in their face.

Posted by: aquaviva at May 15, 2012 02:05 PM (QwgLf)

20 I think they wanted to brush this over and move on simply because the issue always loses on Election Day. I don't care what poll says what, this issue is a loser.

And I don't think they want to distract away from the economy AND get hammered on each of these "issues" every cycle. That's another instance of overestimating them.

They're simply not very good at this.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 02:05 PM (N/1Dm)

21 Once you go gay you're in all the way!

Posted by: sonnyspats at May 15, 2012 02:06 PM (Qr9Rc)

22 "Obama Mandate Forces First Catholic College to Drop Insurance" http://tinyurl.com/6revrb2

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 02:06 PM (oZfic)

23
There are only a few homosexuals in my Cherokee tribe.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren, Token Harvard Indian at May 15, 2012 02:06 PM (ndqJC)

24 It's the Brokeback Mountain Scenario: The media always wants some gay-related thing to be The Thing That Makes the Bitter Clingers Accept the Gheys (TM).

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 15, 2012 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

25 Wow. He lied to us about being againstGay Marriage. .....Now, every time I go to buy groceries...the prices have gone up. ....But his administration says there is "no inflation".....

What else is the President lying to us about? ....I voted for him, but I cannot stand people who lie to me.

Posted by: Heterosexual Female Voters at May 15, 2012 02:08 PM (dHMPi)

26 I'm starting to think the odds of seeing Obama have a complete utter breakdown on camera prior to the debates is at something like 60%. He's awesome! Why doesn't everyone see he's awesome!

I just saw over at Insty's that Romney is more trusted than Obama in all five of the five big issues that Rasumussen polls, especially money. I have to think that it is a tad unpleasant to be around the SCOAMT right now.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:08 PM (Gk3SS)

27 Fausted on his own petard.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 15, 2012 02:08 PM (Sh42X)

28 I mean, they screwed up the timing, the narrative, the roll out of this play, and they totally botched their assessment of the MSM response.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 02:09 PM (N/1Dm)

29 I have to think that it is a tad unpleasant to be around the SCOAMT right now.

If nothing else, it probably stinks like dirty diaper.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:09 PM (8y9MW)

30 "NY FBI Opens Inquiry into JPMorgan Chase Loss: Sources" http://tinyurl.com/6tj9sde
JPMorgan Chase Co.


JPM
+2.35%



disclosed Monday in its quarterly report that it received a "Wells
Notice" from the Securities and Exchange Commission indicating the SEC
staff is considering recommending an enforcement action "in connection
with the bidding of various financial instruments associated with
municipal securities."

http://tinyurl.com/6qp7sag

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 02:10 PM (oZfic)

31 Drudge says JEF up only 7% in Arkansas Democratic primary.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 15, 2012 02:10 PM (mFxQX)

32
We plan on covering his ass all the way to the coronation.

Posted by: MFM at May 15, 2012 02:10 PM (ndqJC)

33 >>There are only a few homosexuals in my Cherokee tribe.

The "Two-Spirited" card might work in Provincetown.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 15, 2012 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)

34 Landslide baby, landslide!

Posted by: mpfs at May 15, 2012 02:10 PM (iYbLN)

35 Drudge says JEF up only 7% in Arkansas Democratic primary.

Is he running against another felon?

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 15, 2012 02:11 PM (PEnme)

36 In the "Women's War on Obama" post, I ran the numbers:
If blacks in FL participate at the 2004 rate of 55% and only vote 95% for Obama--he loses 199k votes in FL. Which he only won by 205k in 2008.

That's his best case scenario; 5% participation drop and 3% support drop--among one of the most anti-gay marriage demographics.

And that's before you run the numbers on participation and support drop among other demographics . . . say, heavily Catholic Hispanics.


Posted by: jimmuy at May 15, 2012 02:11 PM (kSaUf)

37 I mean, they screwed up the timing, the narrative, the roll out of this
play, and they totally botched their assessment of the MSM response.


I don't think they were planning on this to get the coverage it has (though, as aquaviva points out above: they did allow that cover to go through, so they can't be too upset about it), but I do think they're throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.

I think they're desperate not to talk about the economy, because (frankly) the economy sucks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (8y9MW)

38
Obama's people are now calling the New York Times and CBS biased wingnut liars who lie wingnutty lies.


That is possibly the most ridiculous claim this administration has made in, oh, at least the last twenty-four hours.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (4df7R)

39
Is he running against another felon?

Maybe, the guy is a lawyer from Tennessee

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (mFxQX)

40 It's the Brokeback Mountain Scenario: The media always wants some gay-related thing to be The Thing That Makes the Bitter Clingers Accept the Gheys (TM).


Oh lord. I hate Brokeback. Hate it. I hate it like it is a spider clown. The book is one of the most horribly homophobic works I've ever read, no, seriously, it is, Proulx fucking HATES her characters and the movie is no better and THEY AREN'T FUCKING COWBOYS and arrrrrgggghhhhhhh *stompy stompy stompy*


Um. Brokeback did you say? How mildly interesting.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (Gk3SS)

41 Is he running against another felon?
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 15, 2012 02:11 PM (PEnme)


Clinton's already exhausted his two terms, though.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (4df7R)

42 ...I have to think that it is a tad unpleasant to be around the SCOAMT right now.

FORWARD your resume´s!

Posted by: Barky's White House Staff at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (dHMPi)

43 They're simply not very good at this.
Posted by: runninrebel

I agree. Malignant narcissismwith the campaign'sjuvenile handlers thinking for so long that they were smarter than the rubes in this country. They believe that they can lie without consequence as they have had a willingmediathat has covered for themon a daily basis.
Little did they figure that the media in general would be so thrilled with our new gay president.

Posted by: Cheri at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (G+Wff)

44 Light my fire, fuck Barry.



Posted by: Zombie at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (hXJOG)

45 Its a gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay world.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (eavT+)

46 I gotta tell ya, if I was gay, I want a piece of Barry Obama's sweet, sweet ass, - especially since he's been fucking me for four years!

Posted by: Fritz at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (/9E6Z)

47 That is possibly the most ridiculous claim this administration has made in, oh, at least the last twenty-four hours.

When I saw that earlier, I had to suppress a chuckle. Especially when I saw that the sample is statistically the same as one just a week or two ago in which the President was leading.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (8y9MW)

48 Light my fire, baby!


http://tinyurl.com/cr9o5sd

Posted by: Zombie Jerry Falwell at May 15, 2012 02:14 PM (hXJOG)

49 O'Barky campaign memo: "please note on fundraising letters that reach-arounds are included for all donations over $100".

Posted by: Not an Artist at May 15, 2012 02:14 PM (uRumV)

50 Since I don't have much time left, let me now gloat:


I bin sayin since January that Romney would win the nom and POTUS


If I'm wrong, say bad things about me in Nov. Very bad things.


( but I'm right; I was right; I will be right ) Amen

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 15, 2012 02:15 PM (Dll6b)

51 cocoonishly hacktacular

WILFORD BRIMLEY!

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 15, 2012 02:16 PM (p7SSh)

52 I'm not one to doubt the hidden hate some voters might feel for the SCoaMF. I hope it includes the record high unemployed black males.

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:16 PM (NG097)

53 but I'm right; I was right; I will be right ) Amen
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 15, 2012 02:15 PM (Dll6b) He's right!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (mFxQX)

54 Shit, another fine mess Hair Plugs got me into.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (hXJOG)

55 Oh, I think they want to distract attention away from the economy, I'm just saying that the way they're going about it is hurting more than helping.

A distraction is only a good decision if the distraction gives you the upper hand or, at least, negates a disadvantage.

They're just catapulting their Knights.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (N/1Dm)

56 Now that the media has been informed of their expected role in the affair they'll fall into line and shut up.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (XZWie)

57 The governor of NC....Bev Perdue....is now saying that the Gay Marriage ban "hurts North Carolina's brand".

She's badmouthing that majority of voters...who dared to vote against Gay Marriage. .....How did this woman get elected governor in the first place?

Posted by: wheatie at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (dHMPi)

58 addendum to the last:

See, that's the Romney Landslide Sundae:

It's not that the gay marriage wins or loses him many votes--it's that it de-motivates those who voted for him last time (who'll stay home like they used to do) and it motivates those who voted against him to do so again.

It's that slight drop in participation that will kill him, that's what we need to be looking for in the polls. Just a 5% drop in the black participation vote and 3% in support is 2.5 million votes lost nationwide.


Posted by: jimmuy at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (kSaUf)

59 "
Kaus notes his colleague/friend Robert Wright making all sorts of cocoonishly hacktacular assumptions -- like that those independents who say they'll be less likely to vote for Obama are really lying, and are "closet Obama-haters" who would have voted against Obama anyway."

Unfortunately for Wright, the poll gave people three options: this "evolution" on Barry's part makes them
1) more likely to vote for him
2) less likely to vote for him
3) unchanged in their opinion on whether or not to vote for him

So all the closet Obama h8rz would have gone for Option 3, no? Why would you give the pollster answer #2 if you already weren't going to vote for him? For example, me. I wasn't going to vote for him anyway, so this "evolution" means nothing to me. He still doesn't get my vote. Option 3.

Posted by: reason at May 15, 2012 02:18 PM (sPO/s)

60 You know how to tell a good goat right?


When you finish with her, she'll give ya a kiss.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry at May 15, 2012 02:18 PM (hXJOG)

61 46
I gotta tell ya, if I was gay, I want a piece of Barry Obama's sweet, sweet ass, - especially since he's been fucking me for four years!


Posted by: Fritz at May 15, 2012 02:13 PM (/9E6Z)



I bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not
even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around. I'll
be watching you.



Posted by: fozzy at May 15, 2012 02:18 PM (FEzSe)

62
56 Now that the media has been informed of their expected role in the affair they'll fall into line and shut up.
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (XZWie)


Which will only do so much good, since idiot celebs like Kim Kardashian have unfettered access to Twitter and Facebook, and they LOVE this stuff.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 02:19 PM (4df7R)

63 Oh lord. I hate Brokeback. Hate it. I hate it like
it is a spider clown. The book is one of the most horribly homophobic
works I've ever read, no, seriously, it is, Proulx fucking HATES her
characters and the movie is no better and THEY AREN'T FUCKING COWBOYS
and arrrrrgggghhhhhhh *stompy stompy stompy*


Um. Brokeback did you say? How mildly interesting.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (Gk3SS)

Heh. My wife saw the film on NetFlix (I missed it). She said that just about everybody in it was an unpleasant character and she didn't feel a thing when one of the main characters died.

You know, when I call it the Brokeback Mountain Scenario I'm not bashing gays (or the movie, since I didn't see it) but rather saying that the media always wants to think that they are going to cure the people of the low-sloping foreheads of whatever dysfunction our elites see in them. It's the cure that presumes the disease.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 15, 2012 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

64
An interesting gamble by Obama.

While I don't think it will significantly hurt Obama, it will diminish his "Q" ratings, i.e., likability.

Except for the most ardent progressives, most Americans want to see their president as a wholesome family man. Dubbing Obama as the "first gay president" puts people off.

Think what you want about Obama in your little bubble, but most people like him. They see Obama as a decent family man. Well, they did, anyway.

Now both Obama and Biden look like a couple of jerkoffs.

Net gain/loss: I'd say it's a net gain for Mitt Romney, but only negligibly, say 0.25% in total votes.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 15, 2012 02:19 PM (jUytm)

65 The governor of NC....Bev Perdue....is now saying that the Gay Marriage ban "hurts North Carolina's brand".

I read that as I am retiring from public life or possibly Help me, I am having a stroke.

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:20 PM (NG097)

66 "Dream Act students sue to stop Senate filibuster" http://tinyurl.com/88vv72v
Maybe he was supposed to immediately pivot to this issue and he's not happy that things aren't going as planned?

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 02:21 PM (oZfic)

67 Gay fundraisers were mad that he wouldn't sign an executive order. He still hasn't so why should his stupid feelings be such a big zdeal?

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 15, 2012 02:21 PM (XdlcF)

68 A distraction is only a good decision if the distraction gives you the upper hand or, at least, negates a disadvantage.

I mostly agree. However, when you're desperate (as the SCOAMT is) then a distraction might be a good decision if it simply lessens a disadvantage, even if ti doesn't completely negate it.

My guess is that he's banking on (not saying it'll work, just that it's about the only strategy open to him) the idea that he can keep crying "SQUIRREL!" and the MFM will obediently chase the squirrel instead of doing their actual jobs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:21 PM (8y9MW)

69 Quoting EC: "I said it before, this election is going to be all gay, all the time, all the way to November."

"Don't forget me!", Race Card said.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 15, 2012 02:22 PM (VJUQK)

70 Bitter Bev got elected in the Obama wave of 2008. She's got the political skills of a sea urchin and has been been pretty much hated since day one.She was told in no uncertain terms by the NC Democrat Party that she would not be running for re-election, so now she's just flamethrowing her way out the door.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 15, 2012 02:22 PM (HethX)

71 Once Obama changes his name to a special character, everyone will love him and forget all about this gay marriage stuff. Why, that's what I did, and you all love me now, despite calling you selfish bitches, linking to gay pr0n, calling you stupid for not knowing who Rush Lindbaugh is, and constantly lying!

Posted by: @ at May 15, 2012 02:22 PM (ggRof)

72 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:12 PM (Gk3SS)

So this is the third thing we seem to agree about: Annie Proulx is a shit writer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 15, 2012 02:22 PM (nEUpB)

73
The Obama admin is cute, that's for sure.

I'm seeing the pattern. They played this out just like they did with Osama bin Laden.

They played coy, but couldn't stop themselves from overplaying it. Or, rather, couldn't stop their comrades in the media from going overboard in the ruse.

To wit: Newseek

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 15, 2012 02:23 PM (jUytm)

74 Who believes the following statement: "Worse, among independents, 23% said it would make them less likely to
vote for Obama while only 11% said it made them more likely–a negative
for a net of 12% of this group."

So we are supposed to believe that the 11% who now might support the O were sitting on the fence, upset about unemployment, corruption, Iraq, Afghanistan, but suddenly they say "Dang, he's for gay marriage. Yep, I think I'll vote for him." That's crap. The 11% is lying. They were going to vote for him regardless.

Posted by: Scott at May 15, 2012 02:23 PM (F1E99)

75 >>>I bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not
even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around. I'll
be watching you.

So if I decide to run for office, does this mean I have your vote?

Posted by: Fritz at May 15, 2012 02:23 PM (/9E6Z)

76 She's badmouthing that majority of voters...who dared to vote against
Gay Marriage. .....How did this woman get elected governor in the first
place?


Yes, well, dear Bev isn't running for reelection because reasons. Such as the massive scandals that are coming down the pike but no no no she wants to, idefk, raise more chickens or something.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:23 PM (Gk3SS)

77 She's badmouthing that majority of voters...who
dared to vote against Gay Marriage. .....How did this woman get elected
governor in the first place?

Posted by: wheatie at May 15, 2012 02:17 PM (dHMPi)

See voter fraud story earlier post, and Black turnout in early voting. She won by 145,000 votes out of 4 million votes cast.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 15, 2012 02:24 PM (hXJOG)

78 OT, but just saw this headline at Drudge:

SHOWDOWN: Boehner demands spending cuts for any debt limit increase...

And my first thought was, "Didn't we just leave this party?"

*sigh*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 02:24 PM (4df7R)

79 As the bad news continues, it is gonna be fun watching the obama people panic

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 15, 2012 02:24 PM (05RcU)

80 the narrative they wish is "President Awesome Does Awesome, Awesome Thing; Public Rewards Him Awesomely for His Awesomeness."

Since switch-hitting is the topic why not switch to President Fabulous.

Posted by: DaveA at May 15, 2012 02:24 PM (ZYrSB)

81 The new Gay Marriage meme that cracks me up is the assertion that opponents are 'on the wrong side of history'.... as if history has been written... when its lost EVERY time its gone to the polls.

Its like the AGW 'the science is settled' meme... maybe settled by Warmists, but not actual SCIENTISTS....

Or the assertion that the Viet Nam war was lost, because of the Tet Offensive (which was a DEFEAT for the North)...

The idea that Perception is reality... is not true... you may ACT upon your perception of reality... but it does not change subjective reality... but the Left has taken it to mean that they can CHANGE Reality, by changing Perceptions... so sayings like 'all Men are created equal', is an untrue Premise, and as some of us remember, a Proof based on an untrue Premise, fails in the face of reality.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (lZBBB)

82 So this is the third thing we seem to agree about: Annie Proulx is a shit writer.



She is horrible. Utterly horrible. My pithy response about her writing is that if she hates her characters, I will too.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (Gk3SS)

83
Funny thing is Limbaugh predicted this libtard meltdown. The only thing to save O's hide is if Greece's meltdown causes a global crisis before the election and he declares marshall law to circumvent the election.

Posted by: sonnyspats at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (Qr9Rc)

84
If Boehner was an injun, his injun name would be Draws Many Lines in Sand.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (jUytm)

85 Dear wealthy gay people: I personally support gay marriage. Send money now.

Dear religious blacks and independents: I won't actually do anything to support gay marriage. Vote for me.

Dear Washington Post and New York Times: Try to use a little less teeth and more tongue. And yes, I do still expect you to swallow. Otherwise, carry on.

Posted by: Obama 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:26 PM (SY2Kh)

86 Ace, it is kinda like global warming, or climate change or whatever....
The science is settled. Obama is Awesome. Submit to his Awesomeness now.

Posted by: Pecos, at May 15, 2012 02:26 PM (2Gb0y)

87 65 The governor of NC....Bev Perdue....is now saying that the Gay Marriage ban "hurts North Carolina's brand".
I read that as "I am retiring from public life" or possibly "Help me, I am having a stroke."

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:20 PM (NG097)


Heh...yeah. ....She's probablybeen getting a lot of flack over that vote, from her fellow donkeys. ....But taking it out on the voters of her state, is beyond stupid....it's like, weapons grade stupid.

Posted by: wheatie at May 15, 2012 02:26 PM (dHMPi)

88 Posted by: Scott at May 15, 2012 02:23 PM (F1E99)

Well, they are "independents", who seem like a capricious lot.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 15, 2012 02:26 PM (PEnme)

89 SHOWDOWN: Boehner demands spending cuts for any debt limit increase...

I hope to hell he's talked to the Lipless One about this. I hate when we start to go gonzo and the Senate Eunuchs balk at pressing it home.

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:27 PM (NG097)

90 I think zippy's anally awesome

Posted by: The Old Dirt Road at May 15, 2012 02:27 PM (BHM5V)

91 The horrible thing is that if (hope 'when') he loses the presidency, it will be heralded that he lost because too many Americans - read 'bitter-Bible-gun clingers in flyover land - were too stupid to see his brilliant, progressive stands to support the poor, women, healthless, gay, economically-challenged hordes. We weren't 'good enough' for his enlightened presidency.

Posted by: Calyx the Unanswered at May 15, 2012 02:27 PM (PS32A)

92 57
The governor of NC....Bev Perdue....is now saying that the Gay Marriage ban "hurts North Carolina's brand".

She's badmouthing that majority of voters...who dared to vote
against Gay Marriage. .....How did this woman get elected governor in
the first place?

I was at the in-laws' house in Natchez, MS, the other night when the news came on about Perdue screaming about the gay marriage ban making North Carolina like Mississippi.

My first reaction, before I even knew what the story was about, was to say "Bev Perdue should shut the fuck up considering she didn't run for re-election since she is so unpopular in the state."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 15, 2012 02:27 PM (e0xKF)

93 Not sure the media can hide the facts much longer. They will keep trying, but they no longer control the narrative with a growing majority of the population.


Posted by: newmike at May 15, 2012 02:28 PM (1OLmL)

94 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (Gk3SS)

I think I will invite you to the next NY/NJ moron meet-up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 15, 2012 02:28 PM (nEUpB)

95 She's badmouthing that majority of voters...who dared to vote against Gay Marriage. .....How did this woman get elected governor in the first place?
Posted by: wheatie
Yep. We heard about that.

Posted by: Mississippi at May 15, 2012 02:28 PM (G+Wff)

96 But taking it out on the voters of her state, is beyond stupid....it's like, weapons grade stupid.

1. Her political career's dead anyway, so she doesn't care

2. This is the stupid bitch who "suggested" that elections be "postponed" when it became clear the Dems were going to get wiped out back in 2010.

If she was any dumber, she'd be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and demanding that the Mars Rover go find the flag the astronauts left back in the 70s.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 15, 2012 02:29 PM (e0xKF)

97 Posted by: nevergiveup at May 15, 2012 02:24 PM (05RcU)

First rule of bouncing Obama's ass out of the White House:

DO NOT GET COCKY!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 15, 2012 02:29 PM (nEUpB)

98 Well, that's the rub, because their distractions don't lesson the impact of the economy. It's not a fake issue or an issue of opinion. Bills need to be paid.

If they wanted to lesson the impact of the economy they could improve it with policy. There are several ways to goose the economy and not shed the veneer of Social Justice or cut off too many constituents.

Their problem is that they know nothing besides gossip and academic theories. So, with that limited array of options, distraction looks like he only way to go.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 02:30 PM (N/1Dm)

99
I'm starting to notice that lefty commenters are claiming that George W. Bush used gay marriage as a wedge issue in 2004.

Posted by: Matt at May 15, 2012 02:30 PM (90w0O)

100 I think I will invite you to the next NY/NJ moron meet-up.



I would love to come up though sadly I don't think that's in the cards for awhile.


Randomly, I got siriusxm when I got my new to me car and I didn't realize that the package came with the MLB radio feeds. It is quite nice to be able to listen to my Indians not lose.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:30 PM (Gk3SS)

101 "cocoonishly hacktacular assumptions"? I like it.

Posted by: Harry Bel-A-FontAy at May 15, 2012 02:31 PM (U4ceb)

102 >>She was told in no uncertain terms by the NC Democrat Party that she would not be running for re-election

Well. Now we know why she wanted to suspend elections.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 15, 2012 02:31 PM (/kI1Q)

103
The pattern I mentioned above is about to show itself again.

The Left and the media are really milking this JP Morgan thing and trying to morph into a scandal with connections to every single Republican alive.

In case you have any doubt, the JP Morgan story is, also, a fabricated distraction. Yes, the losses are extraordinary, but they don't even come close to putting the financial giant in jeopardy.

And the Democrats are once again pushing the limits on their distraction. Nobody really cares.

Now we have that idiot Elizabeth Warren demanding to know if Scott Brown received any contributions from anyone affiliated with JP Morgan. She's crazy if she thinks she can pull off this absurd witch hunt.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 15, 2012 02:31 PM (jUytm)

104 This is why I said there's no way Obama was going to make this announcement: it will kill him in key battleground states and ruin his "ignore the whitey" election plan.

But he wasn't smart enough to figure that out, apparently, or thought he could control the media so much he could make it work.

Some have suggested this will help young people vote for him again but I really don't think they care that much about the topic. Oh, sure, they go through the motions, but this isn't some grand victory for a generation. Deep down I suspect most go "ew" when they think about it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2012 02:31 PM (r4wIV)

105 Not sure the media can hide the facts much longer. They will keep trying, but they no longer control the narrative with a growing majority of the population.

At noon, the economic news on the radio was all about the upbeat feelings of the construction industry. No numbers, just feelings.

FWIW, the Japanese people could tell the war was not going well for them because each smashing Imperial Victory was occurring closer and closer to the home islands.

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:31 PM (NG097)

106 Net gain/loss: I'd say it's a net gain for Mitt Romney, but only negligibly, say 0.25% in total votes.
==================
But, it's not really those that vote for him that matter as much as the participation rate. Just one out of every twenty (5%) of the 2008 Obama voters stays home because they just can't vote for a guy who supports gay marriage and they can't ever vote for a Republican and he's toast.

Posted by: jimmuy at May 15, 2012 02:32 PM (kSaUf)

107
It's the economy gay's stupid.


Posted by: The MFM Deciders at May 15, 2012 02:32 PM (Klb0T)

108 Kick em the mud, kick em the dirt. When they are down don't let em up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 15, 2012 02:32 PM (hXJOG)

109 noodle post!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 15, 2012 02:32 PM (4df7R)

110 Their problem is that they know nothing besides gossip and academic
theories. So, with that limited array of options, distraction looks like
he only way to go.


That, and the fact they're not aiming for "Social Justice" (no matter how much they say so) but the institution of an Oligarchy (with, of course, themselves at the top) which subjugates the People. When you're aiming to "fundamentally transform" a country, you can't do anything that would allow it to flourish without your direct intervention.

He and his ilk let the lion in. Now they can't kill it, because if they do they won't be needed anymore.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:33 PM (8y9MW)

111 I'm starting to notice that lefty commenters are claiming that George W. Bush used gay marriage as a wedge issue in 2004.

Yep, don't remember who, but a lefty on TV (Bob Beckel?) was claiming that the GWB campaign was all about gay marriage non-stop. Must be a new lefty meme.

That it's a stupid meme goes without saying.

Posted by: Obama 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:33 PM (SY2Kh)

112 Out, vile sock

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 15, 2012 02:34 PM (SY2Kh)

113 At noon, the economic news on the radio was all about the upbeat
feelings of the construction industry. No numbers, just feelings.



"GREY SHOOTS!!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:34 PM (X3lox)

114 I love it when the adoration of the MSM occasionally gets in Obama's way. They're like a clingy girlfriend who knows deep-down where it counts she's being used like atruckstop hookerbut loves her man, anyway. Witness Obama campaign's accusations of biasregarding the negative results of a recentNYT poll showing Romney ahead by a substantial margin. The NYT knows Obama doesn't really mean those nasty things he's saying about them. They love him. He must know they love him. *sigh* If only he knew howmuch.

Posted by: troyriser at May 15, 2012 02:35 PM (vtiE6)

115 That's his best case scenario; 5% participation drop and 3% support drop--among one of the most anti-gay marriage demographics.

He just did it for the col $21mil bump in fundraising, and hoped all the talk would die down.

What was that joke? Excuse me madam, but would you blow me for a million dollars?

Why, yes sir I would.

How about two dollars?

Why no sir. What kind of girl do you think I am?

Well, I thought we had already established that and are just negotiating a price.

Posted by: CUS at May 15, 2012 02:35 PM (84pE9)

116 Yep, don't remember who, but a lefty on TV (Bob Beckel?) was claiming
that the GWB campaign was all about gay marriage non-stop. Must be a new
lefty meme.


That was some idiot who was on the program when Tamron Hall cut off the conservative. She cut the conservative's mic and went to this tool who made that laughable claim.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:36 PM (X3lox)

117 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 15, 2012 02:25 PM (Gk3SS)

I am fascinated by her success. I read The Shipping News and was absolutely dumbfounded that the drunken fools actually gave it a Pulitzer (Now I realize that it is a meaningless award). I really was surprised at how insipid, unpleasant and boring her characters were. And what is amazing is that the story, which could have been interesting in a farcical way, was just...stupid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 15, 2012 02:37 PM (nEUpB)

118 the GWB campaign was all about gay marriage non-stop.

Then it should be easy for them to produce quotes.

*drums fingertips*

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 02:37 PM (NG097)

119 They love him. He must know they love him. *sigh* If only he knew howmuch.

Posted by: troyriser at May 15, 2012 02:35 PM (vtiE6)


Barky knows, but he holds the MSM in the same contempt that he holds the rest of America and the West. He hates them. The MSM are, however, your classic useful idiots and very proudly so.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:38 PM (X3lox)

120 poor Barky. dam dog eater anyway.

Posted by: Killerdog at May 15, 2012 02:41 PM (PHy9m)

121 Well, whoever the Republican is that is running for governor in North Carolina.....I hope he/she wins in a f'kn landslide this year.

Posted by: wheatie at May 15, 2012 02:41 PM (dHMPi)

122 Now we have that idiot Elizabeth Warren demanding to know if Scott Brown received any contributions from anyone affiliated with JP Morgan. She's crazy if she thinks she can pull off this absurd witch hunt.

He should counter with demands to know if she received contributions from anyone affiliated with Solyndra, etc. etc. It's just as relevant.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 15, 2012 02:42 PM (NS2Mo)

123 "cocoonishly"

That's racist.

I call SIXHIRB on you!

Posted by: DRH at May 15, 2012 02:43 PM (xFoDt)

124 Posted by: troyriser at May 15, 2012 02:35 PM (vtiE6)


Sorry for just repeating what you said in the first part. I was too quick on the comment.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:44 PM (X3lox)

125 Someone suggested the FBI/justice department has opened the investigation to try and tie republcians to the debacle. Didn't think of that, wondered why the FBI would be tasked with investigating something largely executed overseas?

"Translated: the FBI has been unleashed to investigate
how a bailed out TBTF bank with full government backstop can possibly
lose money, and to arrest those responsible.

The good news: this surely means that the FBI will certainly now look at recent vaporization events at MF Global. Right??? Right???

The scariest news of the day: FBI agents are now using Bloomberg Terminals."



http://tinyurl.com/7xdtj7b

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 02:44 PM (oZfic)

126 Yep, don't remember who, but a lefty on TV (Bob Beckel?) was claiming
that the GWB campaign was all about gay marriage non-stop. Must be a new
lefty meme.

That it's a stupid meme goes without saying.


IIRC, 11 states had gay marriage on the ballot at the time. Granted, it may have upped conservatives going to the polls that floated Bush's totals, but in 20% of the states? Come on.

Posted by: CUS at May 15, 2012 02:51 PM (84pE9)

127 CBD -- Glad I was not the only one who wasted my life on 'The Shipping News'. That book, however, made me truly realize the Pulitzer meant nothing. I think they had it win because they loved an author who could so despise her own creations. Blech!

Posted by: Calyx the Unanswered at May 15, 2012 02:58 PM (PS32A)

128 Sure, the push for homosexual "marriage" seriously hurt the Democrats in 2004, but PRESIDENT BUSH didn't run on that. He barely mentioned it, in a single statement that drove Andrew "milky loads" Sullivan around the bend.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2012 03:01 PM (r4wIV)

129 Obama's intention was to pivot but his gay narrative was STUCK and he JUST COULDN'T

Posted by: Cricket at May 15, 2012 03:02 PM (DrC22)

130 SILVERGEDDON

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:34 | 2427942
SILVERGEDDON

http://tinyurl.com/7vseqdv

Posted by: & at May 15, 2012 03:06 PM (oZfic)

131 While I was at the gym today Obama was being interviewed by the ladies of The View. The only one of the bunch to sit like a man was Whoopie Goldberg.

Posted by: Northern lurker at May 15, 2012 03:09 PM (tMX03)

132 Somewhere, a glory hole is missing a mouth.

Posted by: this one time at hobo camp... at May 15, 2012 03:12 PM (q5fYz)

133 L.A. Times headline: "Analysis: Gay marriage decision not working in Obama's favor so far"

Note the need to append "so far."

Posted by: Average Joe at May 15, 2012 03:34 PM (bN5ZU)

134 Obama's intention was to pivot but his gay narrative was STUCK and he JUST COULDN'T

Try spraying him with a garden hose.

Posted by: toby928© at May 15, 2012 03:49 PM (NG097)

135 Free Republic has a report about Obama being accused of sexual harassment by guys in college, like 4 of them. I'm never sure how seriously to take anything from that site though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2012 04:34 PM (r4wIV)

136 I am becoming increasingly convinced that the entire point of this exercise was not to put air betweenthe President's position and Romney's, butto get Romney to flip on the issue. The cartoon image of Romney, believed to be true by many on the leftas well as on the right, along with the suspicion that he is a liberal at heart, would have fed thebelief that Romney wouldcave on gay marriage once theTFGP did. In this scenario, Romney, a closet leftist, only opposed gay marriage publicly because the Obama was "evolving" on the issue and, when criticized, could absolve himself by saying that his position is in line with the mainstream Democrat position. Once TFGP jumped the shark and embracedgay marriage Romney, not wanting to be isolated and identifiedwith the reactionaries inhis own party, would follow. That in turn would open up a chasm between Romney and his base which, at best, distrusts and, at worst, dislikes him.That storyalso would have crowded Obama off the front pages as Romneybecame the center of the story.
McCain would have done it. Romney, to his credit, held firm to his long-stated position on the issue. He won't take much heat because his opposition to gay marriage (and his support for domestic partnership legislation) is already baked into the cake. Instead, TFGP is the center of attention, taking criticism from the media for making a blatantly calculated political move; taking heat from his African American base, which opposes gay marriage; and having to endure ludicrous Newsweek covers cooked up by the egregious Tina Brown.
This election is just starting to get fun.

Posted by: Truman Capote's Favorite Hustler at May 15, 2012 05:58 PM (8Fllu)

137 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 15, 2012 06:16 PM (7W3wI)






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