BREAKING: Obama's Same Sex Marriage Evolution Complete?

Sounds like it.

President Obama, who is under mounting pressure to clarify his thinking on same-sex marriage after top aides publicly embraced it in recent days, will sit down for an interview with ABC News on Wednesday during which he is likely to discuss his “evolving” views on the issue, according to people familiar with the matter.

The interview, to be conducted by Robin Roberts, an anchor on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. and was secured in the wake of a declaration by Mr. Obama’s vice president, Joseph R. Biden, on Sunday that he was “absolutely comfortable” with same-sex marriages.

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ABC secured the interview with Mr. Obama on Tuesday afternoon, according to two people involved in the planning. It will take place at the White House. The interview was so hastily arranged, in fact, that Ms. Roberts was still in New York on Wednesday morning to co-host “Good Morning America”– and was planning on returning to New York right after the interview, because her mother is visiting and the two have dinner plans on Wednesday evening.

It seems very unlikely that in the midst of all of this he's holding an interview to trot out his same old, "still evolving" line.

If he does admit what we all know, it's simply to quell the revolt from his base over the issue. Sure, they'll try to spin this as a choice between the forces of good (led by their newest recruit Barack Obama) and Evil (Mitt Romney) but it's unlikely to persuade anyone with half a brain. So bottom line...maybe Megan McCain will be moved but that's about it.

This move would not win him any independents for sure. Not even Kos' own pollster buys into the "but a majority support it!" crap we are always seeing.

Hate to say it but I don't believe polls showing majority support for gay marriage nationally. Any time there's a vote it doesn't back it up

I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on the issue but it's not going to sway this election.

I hope Obama comes clean and we can just move on to something important like say...the wretched state of the economy.

Added: Will this be enough to ensure So-cons come out for Mitt? Everyone already assumes Obama supports it but an out and out declaration might be something that motivates the last hold outs on the religious right.



Related enough
: Democrats are pretty mad about two states today, North Carolina over Amendment One and West Virginia over the felon vote. Keep in mind a few facts: Both states have Democratic governors, 3 or their 4 Senators are Democrats, Obama won North Carolina and picked that state to host his renomination convention.

Damn Rightwing nutters!

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:07 AM



Comments

1 Well THAT'S a winning issue.

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Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:09 AM (P6QsQ)

2 Let him comment on what most Americans have: A no sex marriage

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:09 AM (i6RpT)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:10 AM (8y9MW)

4 More than 60% of American want marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN!!!


Posted by: A.Men at May 09, 2012 10:10 AM (d0pfw)

5 More than 60% of American want marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN!!!


Posted by: A.Men at May 09, 2012 10:10 AM (d0pfw)

Yeah just not their own wives?

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:10 AM (i6RpT)

6 I really think he ought to PROVE his love for gay people.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:12 AM (uXyf3)

7 Good- love it.
Having to break down and pander to these people will draw a nice contrast. Let him run on promoting same sex marriage in swing states- that's a winner.

Posted by: jjshaka at May 09, 2012 10:12 AM (mVLLs)

8 Just this week's distraction to get us to forget we're unemployed/underemployed/paying on average 3.75 for gas.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 09, 2012 10:12 AM (pLTLS)

9 gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future

So will looting, radroach hunting, and cannibalism. Sounds GRRRRR-R-R-REAT!!

Posted by: Tony the wasteland wandering Tiger at May 09, 2012 10:12 AM (sylYH)

10 I really think he ought to PROVE his love for gay people.
+1

Posted by: Reggie at May 09, 2012 10:13 AM (HLv97)

11 This news gives me an erection.

Posted by: Moochelle Obama at May 09, 2012 10:13 AM (DrWcr)

12 To quote Gold Leader: "Stay on target."

The Gay Marriage issue is a loser for all involved. I'm willing to bet 66% would say, "Why can't I just not have an opinion? Why does it have to be foisted on me one way or the other?" if given that option.

Jobs. Gas Prices. Food Prices. Jobs. Islamisation of the ME. Russia. Jobs. China. NORKs. Jobs.

These are the things we should be talking about. You think BHO doesn't delight in the idea that we're going to give hours of attention (maybe days, if he plays it right) to Gay Marriage instead of those items?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:13 AM (8y9MW)

13 I support prison sex

Posted by: inmate 11593-051 at May 09, 2012 10:14 AM (2cfUo)

14 Given that 30 states already have voted against so-called "gay marriage" this is sure to be a loser. I also don't but the "softening" (oh the possibilities) in polls that clearly show a majority of Americans are starting to support this.

In a word, it is another distraction from Obama's misery.

I would remind Ms. Roberts to not forget her knee-pads. This will of course be more if the MSM fellating their favorite President eva. There will be no tough questions or earth shattering, cogitative thoughts.

Be sure to keep one foot on the floor. There will be lots O' spinning.

Posted by: Exile at May 09, 2012 10:14 AM (O0lVq)

15 "I have evolved. I now realize the pro-gay vote is not as safe as the Black vote."

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:15 AM (uXyf3)

16 AllenG - Never interrupt the other guy when he is making a mistake, should be the 'Pub position.

Posted by: Jean at May 09, 2012 10:16 AM (WkuV6)

17 15 arhooley

what about the gay black jewish vote?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2012 10:16 AM (Ho2rs)

18 By the way, queue the Barry White background music.

Everybody...

"Can't get enough of your love baby- yeah, yeah..."

Posted by: Exile at May 09, 2012 10:16 AM (O0lVq)

19 THIS ELECTION IS TURNING GAY!!!!!!!

Posted by: EC at May 09, 2012 10:16 AM (GQ8sn)

20 Yeah yeah with the economy in a shambles, Iran about to get the Bomb, North Korea about to light another one off, Europe falling apart, Russian and the Chicoms on the march and Muslims mulitplying like rabbits here in the USA and Abroad, who gives a crap about gay marriage? I'm agin it, bit it's like 999 out of 1000 on my list of give a shits.

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:18 AM (i6RpT)

21 Given that Obama constantly reiterates that his views on same-sex marriage are "evolving," I have this mental image of one of those monkey to Java Man to Neanderthal to Cro-Magnon to Homo Sapiens panoramas, where the last two figures are doing it doggie style.

But I think that would be a little, well, near the bone to draw up when the President admits that he "leads from behind."

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at May 09, 2012 10:18 AM (TKoWk)

22 These are the things we should be talking about. You think BHO doesn't delight in the idea that we're going to give hours of attention (maybe days, if he plays it right) to Gay Marriage instead of those items?


It's possible this could be a designed distraction. It's also possible that he's having trouble energizing his base and is being publically pushed to the left in order to get them back in line.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (JxMoP)

23 >>I hope Obama comes clean and we can just move on to something important like say...the wretched state of the economy.

HA. We'll move on to more race nonsense.

I'd love to see a poll of African-Americans for Obama members' thoughts on gay marriage...taken ten days ago before Biden and Carney outed him. Then a second one taken after he gives his (historic!) "this country needs gay marriage to undo the evil of the last decade" (30% of which he presided over, but I denounce myself for my racist usage of math) speech.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (/kI1Q)

24 Barry is going to announce that he's 1/32 in support of gay marriage

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (1Jaio)

25 The only surprise would be if he said that he was gay. If he was honest, he would admit that he is in favor of whatever gets the most votes.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (F0K0r)

26 AllenG - Never interrupt the other guy when he is making a mistake, should be the 'Pub position.

What mistake? If he says anything other than "I'm so Pro-Gay Marriage that I'm divorcing Michelle to hook up with Reggie Love" it won't move the needle. And even if he says, "I don't believe that we should change the definition of marriage- Gays already have civil unions, and that should be enough," it's not like they're going to abandon him.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (8y9MW)

27 what about the gay black jewish vote?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2012 10:16 AM (Ho2rs)

He probably already works in the White House

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:19 AM (i6RpT)

28 I got a fin that says he works in some priest sex abuse stuff.

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at May 09, 2012 10:20 AM (sw9Gv)

29 22, what is amazing is that he didn't do this crap 18months ago - he should be running to the center now.

Posted by: Jean at May 09, 2012 10:20 AM (WkuV6)

30 what about the gay black jewish vote?


Posted by: phoenixgirl
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Two boxes checked, he gets the vote.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:20 AM (uXyf3)

31 I predicted this during the war on women fiasco. I would just like Barky to go ahead and come out of the closet.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:21 AM (JoL4S)

32 Obama evolves his opinions, Romney flip flops.

Fuck the media

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 09, 2012 10:21 AM (cvu1l)

33 "No Barry, I don't want you to just show it to me. This time I want you to give me full hand release."

Posted by: Rich Gays who are not giving to Obama Super-PAC at May 09, 2012 10:21 AM (nTjSs)

34 He's just going to use the time to finesse the issue, to confirm his position of having no position, to accomodate and ingratiate without having to validate.

Posted by: kallisto at May 09, 2012 10:21 AM (jm/9g)

35 It's also possible that he's having trouble energizing his base and is
being publically pushed to the left in order to get them back in line.


Maybe. I guess if you're going to come out in favor of something controversial 6 months out (read: while no one is paying attention) is the time to do it. But that just doesn't seem right to me. Maybe I'm misreading it, but I don't think he's that desperate for votes, just yet.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:22 AM (8y9MW)

36 So does this mean Reggie Lovewill be replacing Mooshelle as First Lady?

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 09, 2012 10:22 AM (6BgmB)

37 I guess he's jettisoning his NC strategy. Embarrassing in the extreme. They had a whole "Progressive New South" meme they've been trying to push with North Carolina as it's main prize. Not so much.





A major policy shift, away from triangulation and toward an extreme, 6 months out from election day, is not a sign of a healthy candidacy. Panic, O-bots, panic. repost

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 10:22 AM (HethX)

38 Welp, he won't lose the black vote, like he would if he was pro-gay marriage and white but he may lose alot of the senior vote.

Posted by: Matt at May 09, 2012 10:22 AM (c4srZ)

39
Evolving, right. He's a grown man, if he doesn't know how he feels about it already, he's been spectacularly non-introspective.
Obviously, as so many have commented, he does know how he feels, but he knows it doesn't line up with his base so he's just lying.

I don't care how he feels either way, just man the fuck up about it.

Posted by: Heralder at May 09, 2012 10:23 AM (+xmn4)

40 Liberal MFM propaganda fantasies hardest hit!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 09, 2012 10:23 AM (KCvsd)

41 Any guess what this will do to his approval rating?

I'm thinking down.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 09, 2012 10:23 AM (ybkwK)

42 In the great poetic verse of Louis Jordan:

Is you is, or is you ain't, my baby?!?

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at May 09, 2012 10:23 AM (sw9Gv)

43 I suspect the 1:30 interview will involve Obama pretending to say something deep and profound that does not, in fact, mean anything at all. Everyone will walk away from the experience feeling disoriented, and around three in the morning will all come to the same realization:

"The jackass didn't tell us anything. He just muddied the waters even more.

"By gum, we've been SCOAMFed!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (4df7R)

44 When do pitchers and catchers report?

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (i6RpT)

45 3 or 4 Senators? What is my state doing wrong?

Posted by: sithkhan at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (HDmID)

46 >>So does this mean Reggie Love will be replacing Mooshelle as First Lady?

Net gain in fashion sense, at least.

Sucks to be Moosh's mom --back to your Chicago senior living center!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (/kI1Q)

47 How do you figure gay marriage will be legal across the country "in the very near future?" Don't most States have a law or constitutional amendment opposing gay marriage? And wouldn't Congress have to pass a law legalizing gay marriage on the federal level? How in heaven's name do you see this ever happening?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (+ZI77)

48
It's possible this could be a designed distraction. It's also possible that he's having trouble energizing his base and is being publically pushed to the left in order to get them back in line.

It's probably both, but that's just me. You just know he won't have any disparaging remarks against gays, like he's had for corporate jet owners, doctors lopping off limbs and tonsils, fat cats, bitter clingers...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (d0Tfm)

49 Barry: Let me be perfectly clear, I have always said that I (mumble mumble mumble) gay marriage.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (1Jaio)

50 I suspect the 1:30 interview will involve Obama pretending to say something deep and profound that does not, in fact, mean anything at all. Everyone will walk away from the experience feeling disoriented, and around three in the morning will all come to the same realization:

"The jackass didn't tell us anything. He just muddied the waters even more.

"By gum, we've been SCOAMFed!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:24 AM (4df7R)

Well except for Chrissy matthews who call it one of the most profound presidential speeches of all time

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:25 AM (i6RpT)

51 Maybe I'm misreading it, but I don't think he's that desperate for votes, just yet.


Those people aren't just voting, they're volunteering to work for the campaign, dontaing money, etc. Even more importantly, they're influencing friends, family members, neighbors, and co-workers. A person who was an ardent supporter four years ago but now gives only tepid support will be noticed and that lack of enthusiasm rubs off on others.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 09, 2012 10:25 AM (JxMoP)

52 I'm hoping he goes off on North Carolina, Republicans, Christians, everyone. He's a totalasshole and it really comes through when he's pissed off at his "lessers". Get pissy Barack, make my day.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 10:26 AM (HethX)

53 So the fake "but a majority support it!" crap is a reason for gay marrige? But the real "but a majority support it!" for voter ID laws mean nothing?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 10:26 AM (tf9Ne)

54 Well except for Chrissy matthews who call it one of the most profound presidential speeches of all time
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 09, 2012 10:25 AM (i6RpT)


Chrissy has gone completely off the mental reservation at this point. I'd feel bad about laughing at him if he wasn't such a fuckwad.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:27 AM (4df7R)

55 Obama evolves his opinions, Romney flip flops.



Fuck the media

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 09, 2012 10:21 AM (cvu1l)


Heh. Indeed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 09, 2012 10:27 AM (X3lox)

56 This issue is split down the middle. Half support it and half oppose it. The generational gap on this issue doesn't matter. A federal law legalizing gay marriage will never pass in this country. Its just not gonna happen. Ever.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:27 AM (+ZI77)

57 53 So the fake "but a majority support it!" crap is a reason for gay marrige? But the real "but a majority support it!" for voter ID laws mean nothing?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 10:26 AM (tf9Ne)


Yes.

Posted by: Leftist Douchebag at May 09, 2012 10:27 AM (4df7R)

58 53 So the fake "but a majority support it!" crap is a reason for gay marrige? But the real "but a majority support it!" for voter ID laws mean nothing?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 10:26 AM (tf9Ne)


You sound confused.
I don't see what's unclear about that at all.

//

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 09, 2012 10:28 AM (Qxe/p)

59 I think Biden just came out to reintroduce the issue. to keep the public chasing squirrels. Dems that have any issue with gay marriage will still vote dem. jmho.
with one excepion perhaps the catholics will finally see the light, re'abortion and a dem vote and this?

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 10:28 AM (TomZ9)

60 I suspect the 1:30 interview will involve Obama pretending to say
something deep and profound that does not, in fact, mean anything at
all.
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Something like his race speech.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:28 AM (uXyf3)

61 If he does admit what we all know, it's simply to quell the revolt from his base over the issue.

I've always said the Democratic base is revolting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:29 AM (4df7R)

62 Anyone see the picture on Facebook of the steps of the NC capitol in the early '60's with people holding signs reading "stop race mixing" juxtaposed with people yesterday holding signs that say "stand up for marriage one man one woman."

The caption is "North Carolina, same song different verse." Expect more of this stupid shit.

Posted by: Hedgehog at May 09, 2012 10:29 AM (3jGS1)

63 OT at HotAir they have a video of two refugees from the USSR chatting with an occupier. Definitely worth a watch.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:29 AM (+ZI77)

64 He might lose some of the Catholic, African, Muslim, and Latino vote over this. But I'm sure the Dems have a whole slew of identity politics to stir up this summer.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 09, 2012 10:30 AM (KCvsd)

65 re health care and abortion, abortificants, and the Catholic Church actually asking for non support on this issue*

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 10:30 AM (TomZ9)

66 He's trying to rally the young vote, maybe not for votes because they are usually pretty soft when actually coming out in numbers but at least for financial and verbal support. He can easily pivot and say "See, Republicans don't care about the economy either, they're just focused on the gays!"

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 09, 2012 10:30 AM (tKFT6)

67 Maybe I'm misreading it, but I don't think he's that desperate for votes, just yet.


He seems to be desperate for money, though. Why else would he be holding raffles for a dinner and a shout-out to mom?

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 10:30 AM (joSBv)

68 Something like his race speech.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:28 AM (uXyf3)


Or any of his speeches at all, really. Except the ones where he calls himself Mr. Awesome every other word.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:31 AM (4df7R)

69 34
He's just going to use the time to finesse the issue, to confirm his
position of having no position, to accomodate and ingratiate without
having to validate.
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Agree! Remember, Barack thinks he is the Michael Jordan of political rhetoric. He thinks he can bewilder his socially conservative supporters with slick moves and then drain a fade-away jumper that does enough to please the gay lobby.

Posted by: elj at May 09, 2012 10:31 AM (+QKfp)

70 Black and elderly votes vs. campaign donations from rich gays.

For Obama, THIS is the gutsy call.

Posted by: Rich Gays who are not giving to Obama Super-PAC at May 09, 2012 10:31 AM (nTjSs)

71 Damn. Tactically it means Romney will be forced by the media to “defend his position on gay marriage.” Meaning yet another opportunity for them to deploy Obama Shield Strategy One: make the narrative about anything but the economy.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 10:31 AM (9KqcB)

72 I wonder if Reverend Wright did any sermons on this subject so we can determine where Barry is evolving from?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 10:31 AM (tf9Ne)

73 Drew said: "I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the
relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on
the issue."

But there is at least some doubt that young voters' views on the issue will remain completely unchanged as they get older.

Posted by: Jon at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (bwPUj)

74
So the fake "but a majority support it!" crap is a reason for gay marrige? But the real "but a majority support it!" for voter ID laws mean nothing?

Except for the annoying little fact that every state where gay marriage has been on the ballot, the initiative has lost.

Despite what we've been spoon-fed by the MFM, the overwhelming majority of Americans understand that the healthiest environment for raising children is in a traditional household comprised of a husband and wife. It's been that way since the dawn of recorded history, and all the propaganda put out by the Progressive Pravda can't change it.

There's a huge difference between tolerance and acceptance.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (d0Tfm)

75 Barry Let me be perfectly clear, asking me about gay marriage is racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (1Jaio)

76 Squirrel!


Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (O3R/2)

77 Too bad Diane Sawyer didn't get the call for the groundbreaking interview, she's been up late practicing Concern Face:
http://tinyurl.com/7tectoj

Posted by: kallisto at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (jm/9g)

78 We have to suck the cock to find out what's in it.

Posted by: Nasty Nancy P at May 09, 2012 10:32 AM (yn6XZ)

79 He seems to be desperate for money, though. Why else would he be holding raffles for a dinner and a shout-out to mom?

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 10:30 AM (joSBv)


That is so creepy. Has every demonrat politician always made such creepy donation requests? It's just gross.

BTW, am I the only one who read that headline over at Weasel Zippers -- "Win a shout-out from Obama for your mom" -- and immediately started thinking up "Yo Momma" jokes? I can't be alone in this.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:33 AM (4df7R)

80 Obama's already got the youth vote, as well as the gay vote. The fact that he feels he needs to pander to a demographic that, by all rights is already his, just shows how much trouble he is in. He's dammed either way and not giving a solid opinion is screwing him even further.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:33 AM (+ZI77)

81 I hope Obama comes clean and we can just move on to something important like say...the wretched state of the economy.

This. A trillion times this.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 09, 2012 10:34 AM (VtjlW)

82 There is an Obama video, from his Senate run, in which he says he is for civil unions but against same-sex marriage.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at May 09, 2012 10:34 AM (TKoWk)

83 Drew said:

"Added: Will this be enough to ensure So-cons come out for Mitt? Everyone already assumes Obama supports it but an out and out declaration might be something that motivates the last hold outs on the religious right."

At first I disagreed with this. But the longer I considered it when I plugged in the "gays and blacks are going to vote for him anyway", the more it made sense.

Since his numbers seem to be plummeting among Indies, maybe he's just trying to get the rabid Kucinich Wing of the party back in the fold so they don't vote third party.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 10:34 AM (rX1N2)

84 If Obama equates gay marriage to race politics in the South, I hope he's ready to move his convention to another State, the way they do with Bowl Games from non-PC States like AZ and SC.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 10:34 AM (HethX)

85 This issue is split down the middle. Half support it and half oppose it.

That's just the thing. I think that's wrong. I also think that kind of binary thinking is why the issue keeps coming up.

See, if one can only support or oppose the issue, you can try to convince someone and eventually they might flip. But there's a 3rd option: "Leave me the F alone."

There are a number of people out there who will vote against any marriage amendment- either one that "allows" gay marriage, or one that specifically prohibits it. They don't want the State to take any stand on the issue at all.

That percentage fluctuates, and it's bigger in some areas than others, but it's not completely insignificant. So, while you might get enough of those to stay home when a ban on gay marriage is up for a vote (that's the status-quo anyway, more-or-less), you'll never get those people to stay home when a specific measure allowing gay marriage comes up- because that's upsetting the status-quo.

Most of these people don't care if you go to your local Episcopalian or Methodist church (the two big ones that "recognize" gay marriage IIRC) and get "married." They don't even care if you call yourselves "husband and husband" or "wife and wife." But they don't want it shoved in their faces- which is what pro-gay marriage amendments would do.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:35 AM (8y9MW)

86 I wonder if Reverend Wright did any sermons on this subject so we can determine where Barry is evolving from?


Posted by: Buzzsaw
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Hey, Reverend Wright is still around. Fox News ought to hunt him up for a nice long chat. Expose mainstream Black views on gay marriage and grab some popcorn.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:35 AM (uXyf3)

87
"I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on the issue but it's not going to sway this election. "
I would actually challenge that. People become more conservative as they age, and after a few years of seeing the negative effects ofcheapening marriage I think the left will move on to a new 'fad' topic.
Case in point, you don't hear too much about ERA nowadays, and the left is on the ropes on many social issues they once commanded majorities on - gun control and the death penalty, to name a few.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (FkKjr)

88 and immediately started thinking up "Yo Momma" jokes? I can't be alone in this.

Ah, another bashtag for Twitter.

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (joSBv)

89
Meghan McCain ‏ @McCainBlogette

Way to be a bad southern cliche North Carolina. I'm sure your grandkids will look back on this day in horror. #loveisnotamistake

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (kdS6q)

90
I suspect the 1:30 interview will involve Obama pretending to say
something deep and profound that does not, in fact, mean anything at
all. Everyone will walk away from the experience feeling disoriented,
and around three in the morning will all come to the same realization:

^^^

Remember when he gave the 'I can no more disown my white gramma than my preacher...' speech. Best speech since the Gettysburg Address they said.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (pLTLS)

91 I wonder if Reverend Wright did any sermons on this subject so we can determine where Barry is evolving from?

Never heard of him. And now we have to leave for an appointment. Bye.

Posted by: MFM at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (9KqcB)

92 Refresh my memory. Of the times that gay marriage has been on state ballots, how many times has it been approved?

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (P6QsQ)

93
80 Obama's already got the youth vote, as well as the gay vote. The fact that he feels he needs to pander to a demographic that, by all rights is already his, just shows how much trouble he is in. He's dammed either way and not giving a solid opinion is screwing him even further.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:33 AM (+ZI77)


The fact that he's giving this interview so soon after the "scandal" broke tells me that he's getting touchy. He's not just trying to shore up his support; he's trying to remind people that he is Mr. Gutsy Call and they should support him, dammit, instead of making him have to go on national television to explain to them AGAIN how he's always been for being against pro-gay marriage bans and antagonism.

I expect to see a very brittle, angry Barry. It will be magnificient.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (4df7R)

94 What I did for love Reggie votes.

Posted by: Barry sings the hits at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (RD7QR)

95 So Obama will come out of the closet and announces his gay partner, Bill Ayers?

Posted by: Kaitian at May 09, 2012 10:38 AM (et2m1)

96 @85: You are probably right about that but I still don't see gay marriage being legal at the federal level happening anytime soon, if ever.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:38 AM (+ZI77)

97 I'm not sure if this has been noted here yet, but the NC amendment's polling seemed to suffer from the "Bradley Effect".

PPP's final poll showed 55% in favor, 39% against, and 6% undecided with a 3.1% margin of error.

The final results were 61.05% in favor, 38.95% against.

Even though PPP likely weighted it in favor of the "against" side, being a Dem in-house pollster, it seems a little strange that the *entire* "undecided" vote went in favor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 09, 2012 10:38 AM (e0xKF)

98 Yo momma so fat, her blood type is Ragu.

Posted by: Barack Yomomma at May 09, 2012 10:38 AM (yn6XZ)

99 Meghan McCain þ @McCainBlogette

Way to be a bad southern cliche North Carolina. I'm sure your grandkids will look back on this day in horror. #loveisnotamistake

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (kdS6q)

And I'm sure North Carolinians hang on her every word as long as she can hang onto a box of Krispy Kremes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 10:38 AM (rX1N2)

100 >>>He's just going to use the time to finesse the issue, to confirm his position of having no position, to accomodate and ingratiate without having to validate<<<

That's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 09, 2012 10:39 AM (BrQrN)

101 Meghan McCain ‏ @McCainBlogette

Way to be a bad southern cliche North Carolina. I'm sure your grandkids will look back on this day in horror. #loveisnotamistake


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (kdS6q)



I'm sure their grand kids will wonder why anyone ever gave two shits about Megaton

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:39 AM (1Jaio)

102 Remember when he gave the 'I can no more disown my white gramma than my preacher...' speech. Best speech since the Gettysburg Address they said.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 09, 2012 10:36 AM (pLTLS)


It WAS. So memorable. So quotable!

...What speech was that again?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 10:40 AM (4df7R)

103 @99 She should just stick to her best subjects, her boobs and doing guys.

Posted by: Kaitian at May 09, 2012 10:40 AM (et2m1)

104 So what the heck is going on here?

Is Obama trying to differentiate himself from Romney in an area other than the economy?


What the hell is he really going to do about same sex marriage?

I suspect he is worried about the Youth Vote--so this is an effort to get them out for another historic vote-

The First President for Same Sex Marriage.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 10:40 AM (r2PLg)

105 There is nothing the JEF could say that will improve his standing on this issue. Right now, he has the best possible position--he is publicly against it while those in favor know it's just a lie.

But, the only position he can take as a lib dem is to be for it.

Oh please, oh please come out and say you are in favor of some sort of gay marriage. The only coalition that hasn't voiced full-throated support for Romney is the social conservatives.

And if you want to make this Christmas in May, compare gay marriage to civil rights. See, 'cause the JEF is not a real black man, he doesn't realize that line of "reasoning" among the marxist left actually pisses real black people off; as it cheapens and makes light of what they had to go through.

Posted by: jimmuy at May 09, 2012 10:40 AM (kSaUf)

106 102.

that was the speech in Philly. the one where my brother's brain fell out. (he's still an Obot)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 09, 2012 10:40 AM (SB0V2)

107 Refresh my memory. Of the times that gay marriage has been on state ballots, how many times has it been approved?
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (P6QsQ)
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Approximately 20 states have rejected the notion that it should be on the ballot at all. Its just not an important issue withmany Americans suffering under the remnants of the 8 years prior to the last 3 years.

Posted by: Spin Team at May 09, 2012 10:41 AM (UpwlP)

108 Before I head out, here's a helpful tip when debating gay marriage supporters. Don't equate gay marriage with some guy marrying his dog. That never works. Ask them if polygamous marriage is ok. If not, why not? Most gay marriage supporters are against polygamous marriage. Its helpful to shed light on their hypocrisy.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:41 AM (+ZI77)

109 Barry: Let me be perfectly clear, just because I was a platinum member at Man's Country doesn't mean that I'm gay. And just because I manned the glory hole doesn't mean that I'm gay either

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:41 AM (1Jaio)

110 Should he talk about polygamy instead? That would play for the anti-Mormon vote.

Or, he could EVOLVE into supporting gay group marriage. That would monopolize the narrative for a week or two.

Posted by: Whitehall at May 09, 2012 10:42 AM (0EW9Y)

111 I suspect he is worried about the Youth Vote--so this is an effort to get them out for another historic vote-

======

Is there data out there that shows this is a winning issue in the 18-25 year old demographic?

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:42 AM (P6QsQ)

112 "I'm strictly dickly!"

Posted by: Totally not a bad blond cliche at May 09, 2012 10:42 AM (MJ76f)

113 No one says not to "love" (cringe) just that you can't be "married". Get a civil union, have a pretend ceremony at the episcopal church but just shut the fuck up.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:42 AM (JoL4S)

114
Meghan McCain þ @McCainBlogette



Way to be a bad southern cliche North Carolina. I'm sure your grandkids will look back on this day in horror. #loveisnotamistake


Meghan McCain? Of Miss Stictly Dickly fame?

I guess she's 'evolving', too.

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (joSBv)

115 I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the
relatively near future


Only if the courts try to force it on us and that will be rejected out of hand. Youngsters think lots of stupid things ... in every society. What sane society would listen to those with no experience, very little common sense, and a hostility to the structures and traditions that made that society even possible? None. Any society that would be swayed by the young on such a fundamental issue would be cut down by a 4mph breeze (or a 4 minutes AND hours breeze, as the Dog-Eater would say).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (X3lox)

116 People become more conservative as they age, and after a few years of seeing the negative effects of cheapening marriage I think the left will move on to a new 'fad' topic.

I wish I could believe that. But the trend away from marriage is not slowing. The majority of births to unwed mothers under 30 is now the majority. It might be the tipping point that ends any hope of “limited government.” Those families are going to need to much taxpayer support.

Case in point, you don't hear too much about ERA nowadays, and the left is on the ropes on many social issues they once commanded majorities on - gun control and the death penalty, to name a few.

They passed the “Equal Pay Act” recently. I think they’re accomplishing most of what they wanted through the ERA without the actual amendment. I don’t think they’re “on the ropes” with the death penalty, although gun control has certainly died down.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (9KqcB)

117 Yeah, well I live with a couple of "youth" and they're less likely to be ok with anal marriage than I am.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (JoL4S)

118 "we're here! we're queer! we want the churchlike atmosphere!"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (Ho2rs)

119 The whole evolving thing would irk the hell out of me if I had voted for the evolver.
I want a person who I can vote for with clear views on all issues who will not evolve on me after I have given him/her my support.

Evolving is simply the new fangled term for flip flopping /back stabbing/lying ones ass off.

Damn all evolver's!!!

Posted by: Drider at May 09, 2012 10:44 AM (HaJD9)

120 He really doesn't need to declare so I just don't understand why he is feeling pressure to do so. Perhaps he is wounded by the criticism and wants to demonstrate how right-thinking and tough he is? I mean, his position on the issue is "evolving", wtf does that mean? There is nothing to evolve to or from. Gay marriage is a pretty simple and straight-forward question; you either support it or don't, care or care not. There is no anguished middle position, no grey.

For the love of gawd he is a Stuttering Cluster-F*% of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: steve walsh at May 09, 2012 10:44 AM (gB9nl)

121 The majority of births to unwed mothers under 30 is now the majority.

With all demographics?

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:44 AM (JoL4S)

122 Is there data out there that shows this is a winning issue in the 18-25 year old demographic?
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:42 AM (P6QsQ)


************

Good question, I could be giving the Obama campaign too much credit.

I've always assumed it is more popular with the--You Vote.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 10:45 AM (r2PLg)

123 dammit

AllenG is gonna fine me for sure now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:45 AM (sbV1u)

124 Barack just wants the ability to marry the person he loves - Reggie Love.

Posted by: Naqamel at May 09, 2012 10:45 AM (UMwMT)

125 "President Obama, who is under MOUNTING pressure to clarify his thinking on same-sex marriage after TOP aides publicly EMBRACED it in recent days,"

Oh dear. I think they're trying to imply something here.

Posted by: Stark Dickflüssig at May 09, 2012 10:45 AM (0XbWx)

126 Yeah, well I live with a couple of "youth" and they're less likely to be ok with anal marriage than I am.


Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM


That's my experience too . Most of the people I know in that age group would regard that as a big ick. Granted, I mostly know h8trz.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:46 AM (P6QsQ)

127
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:44 AM (sbV1u)


So YOU'RE the one Pixy is stealing all those spaces and line breaks for.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 09, 2012 10:46 AM (X3lox)

128 "we're here! we're queer! we want the churchlike atmosphere!"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (Ho2rs)
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LOL

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (P6QsQ)

129 >>I think Biden just came out to reintroduce the issue. to keep the public chasing squirrels.

If Biden was an unfamous non-politician old dude, he'd have been diagnosed with dementia months ago, and placed under the guardianship of his children by a court.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (/kI1Q)

130 AllenG is gonna fine me for sure now.

I dunno. That one was kind of funny. I think I'll let you off with a warning. Next time, though, that'll cost you 1 Internetz.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (8y9MW)

131 Refresh my memory. Of the times that gay marriage has been on state ballots, how many times has it been approved?
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:37 AM (P6QsQ)

It doesn't win up or down votes, because of the makeup of the people who vote most often. But it will happen, either through each state legislature, or a future Supreme Court ruling. The reason it will happen has less to do with views toward homosexualilty as views toward marriage: most people just don't think it's that important, so they figure, "Whatever. Let'em marry." That is, a large segment of Americans might not be "for" gay marriage, but they don't care enough to stop it.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (9KqcB)

132 So YOU'RE the one Pixy is stealing all those spaces and line breaks for.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


I'd just appreciate it if Pixy would fix the blog.

No line breaks! No peace!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (sbV1u)

133 Hey, Reverend Wright is still around. Fox News ought
to hunt him up for a nice long chat. Expose mainstream Black views on
gay marriage and grab some popcorn.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 09, 2012 10:35 AM (uXyf3)

There's Baracka, RIDIN' DIRTY!

Posted by: Reverend Jeremiah "Bullfrog" Wright at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (RD7QR)

134 Saw a "documentary" on the History Channel last night about possible hidden white supremacist messages in Mount Rushmore.Oh yeah, also the malignant secrecy of Rushmore vs. the open, welcomingprogressive Crazy Horse monument up the road.A trio of earnest, humorless progressives seeking truth in the field, with some James Carville looking narrator back at the studio to tie it all together. What a pile of crap it all was. I had a good game of "spot the logical fallacies."

It's coordinated with the Democrats campaign theme, "We'll save you from the scary racist one percenter right wingers." Blatantly so.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (8hBZi)

135 If you are a homosexual looking to impose this novel idea on the rest of the population, you probably just scored an "own goal" by forcing Obama to take a position when he was perfectly happy to continue lying and working for your benefit behind the curtain where the media refuses to look.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (mg08E)

136 I wasn't aware that the so-cons had a problem with Willard. Us fiscal-cons are the true blue Mitt H8Rs.

Posted by: Bob Saget at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (SDkq3)

137 Don't bet on Obama flipping on this. He will say he personally opposes redefining marriage. Instead he will go states rights on this and say it's up to the states and the federal government should accommodate whatever choice the states make. Which in effect means Federal recognition of gay unions as marriage. So then 14th kicks in, yada, yada, yada.

"I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the
relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on
the issue"

Tell that to the people who were sure they would see Pot legalized 40 years ago.


Posted by: Rocks at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (Q1lie)

138
Could Wisconsin go for Mitt?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (mFxQX)

139 My guess is he will come up with a statement that most people will not understand using some artfully spun phrases. It will be brilliant because the normal person will not understand what he just said.

Posted by: We, Who Disappoint Him at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (jucos)

140 My little h8trz make me look 1/32 cherokee lib

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:48 AM (JoL4S)

141 Actually what I'd love to see him do is come out and say his position is the same as it always has been, blame Romney and his surrogates for trying to distract the nation fromRomney's retrograde Bush-era policies, and say that he's done being distracted and is going to get back to work for the American people.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 09, 2012 10:49 AM (JxMoP)

142 That is, a large segment of Americans might not be "for" gay marriage, but they don't care enough to stop it.

I think it's exactly the opposite. They don't care if gays get "married," but they do care if someone comes along to upset the social order. So they may not vote to ban same-sex marriage, but they'll sure as heck vote to prevent it from being made official.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:49 AM (8y9MW)

143 It doesn't win up or down votes, because of the makeup of the people who
vote most often. But it will happen, either through each state
legislature, or a future Supreme Court ruling.



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That's my point. It is not a vote-getter. It has to be forced upon people by the government. So I don't see it as a net plus for Obama.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:49 AM (P6QsQ)

144 Duh. Of course some of the social cons don't like Mitt. He's exotically Mormon.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:50 AM (JoL4S)

145 I'm strictly dickly now but that's because I have Daddy's money to pull some guy that likes to pump and dump me. I like to support gay marriage because one day I know I'll have no other options and will be with a woman in jams named Marge and our love will be real, H8trs.

Posted by: Megan McCheese at May 09, 2012 10:50 AM (pLTLS)

146 I'll believe in evolution as soon as I see a librul man up.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 09, 2012 10:50 AM (0It32)

147 The majority of births to unwed mothers under 30 is now the majority.With all demographics?
Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 10:44 AM (JoL4S)

Overall. Probably not among white Americans, but, you know, they're so 19th century anyway.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 10:50 AM (9KqcB)

148 Before I head out, here's a helpful tip when debating gay marriage supporters. Don't equate gay marriage with some guy marrying his dog. That never works. Ask them if polygamous marriage is ok. If not, why not? Most gay marriage supporters are against polygamous marriage. Its helpful to shed light on their hypocrisy.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 09, 2012 10:41 AM (+ZI77)


The current pro-SSM tactic is to equate opposition to supporting the old anti-miscegenation laws which were voided by the Supreme Court in the mid-60s. The gay-rights movement has been trying to hermit-crab itself into the shell of the old Civil Rights Movement for decades.

The equation of these two, however, is utterly false. The anti-miscegenation laws voided or prevented otherwise-valid marriages (male/female) on the basis of the extraneous factor of "race" or skin color. Same-sex marriage, on the other hand, is the invention of a new kind of marriage.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at May 09, 2012 10:51 AM (TKoWk)

149 Posted by: Megan McCheese at May 09, 2012 10:50 AM (pLTLS)


I LOL'd

I laugh because it's true.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:51 AM (sbV1u)

150 I wasn't aware that the so-cons had a problem with Willard. Us fiscal-cons are the true blue Mitt H8Rs.

In many ways, Mitt was the worst of all possible worlds. The So-Cons aren't comfortable with him, and the Fi-Cons aren't either. Fact is, though, that he was able to do something quite impressive (even if you hate it, you have to admit it was impressive) and play both of those groups off against each other to win the nomination.

And he'll be at least 3000% better than the SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:51 AM (8y9MW)

151
"I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the
relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on
the issue but it's not going to sway this election"




As a prophecy, that's unlikely. As a surrender to the secular left, welcome, Comrade! Inevitability is
not a fact--it's simply one of the left's arguments, and you've bought
into it. Think about other secular, progressive movements that have been stopped dead in their tracks--or even reversed: Soviet communism, Prohibition, ERA feminism.

I think it's pretty clear that the current Supreme Court will uphold DOMA and reverse the 9th Circuit, so that marriage will be left to the states and the overwhelming majority of them have legislated the traditional, common-law view.

As other morons have pointed out, additionally, as youngsters age, get jobs, pay taxes, get married, and have babies, they become measurably more conservative. Likewise, a growth in serious religious commitment that often comes with maturity correlates with the defense of traditional marriage.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 09, 2012 10:51 AM (ZUJAY)

152 >>Instead he will go states rights on this and say it's up to the states
and the federal government should accommodate whatever choice the states
make.

Remember the heyday of the anti-Obamacare/Tea Party rallies, when proggs swore up and down that "states rights" was a dog whistle for "white supremacy"?

I just want to watch them all turn into blithering bidens trying to process Obama talking about "states rights" like they're not evil incarnate.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 10:51 AM (/kI1Q)

153 Check out Twitchy for a nice round up of tolerant, peaceful and civil reactions to the NC vote.

Forcing someone to accept gay marriage upon the threat of death is civility.

Maybe someone needs to ask the JEF about this, since 100% of those spouting off like that voted for him.

Posted by: jimmuy at May 09, 2012 10:52 AM (kSaUf)

154 in the wake of a declaration by Mr. Obama’s vice president, Joseph R.
Biden, on Sunday that he was “absolutely comfortable” with same-sex
marriages.





Barry What Joe meant was that we are comfortable with the two of us getting married.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 10:53 AM (1Jaio)

155 >>as youngsters age, get jobs, pay taxes, get married, and have babies

That doesn't happen much anymore. Especially not in that order.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 10:53 AM (/kI1Q)

156 Could someone do the dirty deed of going over to Althouse's place to check out her take on these latest developments?


Nevermind, I can guess. North Cackalacki = h8rz, and if Bammer supports gay marriage, that's going to be her excuse for voting for him this time.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 10:54 AM (rX1N2)

157 I can foresee Barry's statement going something like this:

"Gay rights and civil rights have always been important to me, and I hope to be able to work with a majority Democratic Congress NEXT year to see that laws are passed that bring fairness and equality to ALL of our citizens."


Something along the lines of "Tell Putin that after the election I will have more flexibility."

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:54 AM (P6QsQ)

158 Overall. Probably not among white Americans, but, you know, they're so 19th century anyway.

Posted by: CJ


Straight from the CDC website:

The proportion of births to unmarried women has increased without interruption from 1997 through 2009. In 2009, 41.0 percent of all births were to unmarried women. This level compares with 33.2 per­ cent in 2000 and 18.4 percent in 1980 (Table C). Within age groups, 87 percent of births to teenagers and 62 percent of births to women aged 20–24 were nonmarital. One in five births to women aged 30 and over were to unmarried women. The proportions of nonmarital births vary widely among population subgroups. In 2009, these proportions were 17 percent for API, 29 percent for non-Hispanic white, 53 percent for Hispanic, 65 percent for AIAN, and 73 percent for non-Hispanic black births.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:55 AM (sbV1u)

159 Posted by: Wm T Sherman at May 09, 2012 10:47 AM (8hBZi)

That's Brad Meltzer's Decoded. Meltzer (the "Carville look-alike") isn't a rabid lefty. His books actually kick ass. As for the three "field investigators," only the attorney is worth a shit.

The episodes vary in quality, as one might expect. The Fort Knox one was pretty good, except for a couple of interviews with complete idiots. Also, you have to discount anything the woman or the heavy guy say, as they are complete tools.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 10:55 AM (NS2Mo)

160 Barky's gambit is working as we are discussing gay marriage. Ogabe wants to change the narrative from, holy crap we took a drubbing last night, to...look, squirrel and we are falling for it. Bask in the glory of what was accomplished last night and please ignore the squirrels (unless they are eating up your garden).

Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 09, 2012 10:56 AM (YYyqq)

161 That's my point. It is not a vote-getter. It has to be forced upon people by the government. So I don't see it as a net plus for Obama.
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:49 AM (P6QsQ)

I don't think he's in danger of LOSING votes over it, and it shores up his base (except with blacks, who would never abandone him anyway), and it sets up Romney as the sole opponent of gay marriage in the race, which the media willuse to shift the narrative away from the economy whenever possible.

For mushy "independents," while they may not be advocates of gay marriage, they probably don't get why anyone would oppose it.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 10:56 AM (9KqcB)

162 This is from The Daily Beast

The kids who came out for the president in force in 2008 are abandoning him in shocking numbers, according to a new poll. Mark McKinnon on how he can win them back.

Though their elders vote at higher rates, the millennial generation, aged 18 to 29, represented almost one in six votes in the 2008 presidential election. And they voted for Obama over Sen. John McCain by a 2–1 margin.

While others in the media are focused on the upward trend in the president’s approval ratings over the last four months in this age group, as shown in the latest survey of young Americans’ attitudes toward politics and public service from Harvard University’s Institute of Politics, there are troubling signs for the campaigns and the country embedded more deeply in the numbers.

[...]

just 39 percent of the younger millennials approve of his handling of the economy.

[...]

Still, the president’s targeted messaging to this group about student-loan rates may miss the mark.

“It’s jobs, stupid.” Of 20 issues presented to the young millennials polled, 78 percent rated jobs as the most important. Only 31 percent of those in college or with some college education thought student-loan debt would create “a lot” of impact on their financial circumstances going forward.

[...]

And those who believe health insurance is a right dropped from 61 percent in 2008 to 43 percent in 2012.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 10:56 AM (r2PLg)

163 "we're here! we're queer! we want the churchlike atmosphere!"



Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 09, 2012 10:43 AM (Ho2rs)

gah, I actually did laugh out loud!

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 10:57 AM (TomZ9)

164 JOURNALIST: So Mr. President, do you support gay marriage?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: My position is what it was.

J: What position is that, Mr. President?

PO: Submissive, usually.

JAY CARNEY: Squirrel!

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

165 Bask in the glory of what was accomplished last night and please ignore the squirrels (unless they are eating up your garden).

Also: remind everyone you see:
A 'Stimulus' plan that, by any objective measure, failed miserably.An economy with nominal 8% UE, and 'real' UE closer to 15%.More accumulated debt on his watch than all previous presidents combined.3.5 Years later, and still nearly 500K people fewer working today than were at the beginning of his termA belligerent Iran bent on obtaining nuclear weaponsAn "Arab Spring" which seems to have handed the ME to the Islamists on a silver platter.Israel no longer even pretending to pay attention to the US's warningsA belligerent Russia threatening strikes on NATO facilities if we continue with missile defense.A Health Care plan roundly despised, probably going to be ruled unconstitutional, and already causing mass market disruptions.Gas Prices which have more than doubled since his inauguration.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

166 I'm 1/32 gay. My granddad had high cheekbones with sticky stuff on them

Posted by: ewarren at May 09, 2012 10:57 AM (2cfUo)

167 it shores up his base




It also shores up the So-Con base for Romney.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:59 AM (P6QsQ)

168 I was wondering if Obama was really going to do this--but it looks like they let Biden take the lead-

*****

Biden Reveals Personal Support for Same-Sex Marriage
Vice President Joe Biden became the highest official in the Obama administration to publicly announce his support of same-sex marriage, saying Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press that he was “absolutely comfortable” with the idea. Obama has said that he supported civil unions, a muddy stance that has proved a sore point for gay-rights activists.
Read more: The National Journal (5/6); Chicago Tribune [video] (5/6)

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 10:59 AM (r2PLg)

169 Bah. Formatting, how does it work?

Try this:

1) A 'Stimulus' plan that, by any objective measure, failed miserably.
2) An economy with nominal 8% UE, and 'real' UE closer to 15%.
3) .More accumulated debt on his watch than all previous presidents combined.
4) 3.5 Years later, and still nearly 500K people fewer working today than were at the beginning of his term
5) A belligerent Iran bent on obtaining nuclear weapons
6) An "Arab Spring" which seems to have handed the ME to the Islamists on a silver platter.
7) Israel no longer even pretending to pay attention to the US's warnings
A belligerent Russia threatening strikes on NATO facilities if we continue with missile defense.
9) A Health Care plan roundly despised, probably going to be ruled unconstitutional, and already causing mass market disruptions.
10) Gas Prices which have more than doubled since his inauguration.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)

170 In 2009, these proportions were 17 percent for API, 29 percent for non-Hispanic white, 53 percent for Hispanic, 65 percent for AIAN, and 73 percent for non-Hispanic black births.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:55 AM (sbV1u)


Sheesh, those American Indians and Alaskan Natives are apparently going at it like knives in a drawer. The Pac Islanders, on the other hand, are prudish pikers.

*begins surreptitious plans to move to a Pacific island*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 09, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)

171 The juiciest thing about this? Outside of the hyperpolitical gays, most of them will view this as pathetic pandering.

They'll say, quite rightly, "where were you BEFORE the North Carolina vote? When you had total control of Congress to actually do something for us?"

There's a reason 45% of that subsect of the population voted for the Rs in 2010. They aren't lockstep and probably realize its all pandering and posture by the left.

At least the ones with money they are seeing drained away to a federal government that doesnt give a shit about them.

Posted by: CAC at May 09, 2012 11:00 AM (6Mq7X)

172
Subject: Time to beat Scott Walker

[redacted],

Last night in Wisconsin, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett won the Democratic nomination to take on Governor Scott Walker in the June 5 recall. Now our opportunity to defeat the Walker-Koch agenda is in sight.

Mayor Barrett is a strong standard-bearer for progressives in the recall. While representing Wisconsin in Congress, Mayor Barrett stood with me in voting against the deregulation that led to the Wall Street crash, opposing the PATRIOT Act, and reforming our system of campaign finance. His executive experience makes him qualified to begin rolling back Walker’s devastating program on day one.

Scott Walker relies on corporate bosses from coast to coast who have armed him with tens of millions of dollars. But if grassroots progressives unite around Tom Barrett, we can put an end to Walker’s harmful policies and slam the brakes on the national corporate agenda.

Thank you for uniting as a progressive,
Russ Cocksucker Feingold


Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:01 AM (jUytm)

173 WaPo, 8/24/11: "Sens. Hatch, Lugar and Snowe haven’t been hit too hard by tea-party, yet" (that's right, wingnuts, the tea party is dead, ha!)


Tea Party, 5/9/12: "Dear WaPo, Two down, one to go."

Posted by: jimmuy at May 09, 2012 11:01 AM (kSaUf)

174 Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 10:55 AM (sbV1u)

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what age groups they're refering to throughout, but the trend is clear: overall, we've passed 40% and will soon be a country in which fatherless babies are the norm. At that point, conservatives can just go home. You can't have limited government and majority single-parent homes. Have to pick one.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:01 AM (9KqcB)

175 and it sets up Romney as the sole opponent of gay marriage in the race, which the media willuse to shift the narrative away from the economy whenever possible.


******

That's my thinking on it also. Or hypothesis as to why--now.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:01 AM (r2PLg)

176 For mushy "independents," while they may not be advocates of gay marriage, they probably don't get why anyone would oppose it.


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Actual ballot initiatives do not bear that out.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:02 AM (P6QsQ)

177 Russ "I'm too busy to make this a walk in the park for your party to have jumped in myself" Feingold

Posted by: CAC at May 09, 2012 11:02 AM (6Mq7X)

178 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter

What really blows me away is that 73% of all black kids are born without a father around.

Yes, by all means Mr. Holder, let's not be cowards. Let's have that conversation about race.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 11:02 AM (sbV1u)

179
To which Gov Walker responds: Are we Wisconsinites better off now than we were two years ago?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:02 AM (jUytm)

180 Mayor Barrett is a strong standard-bearer for progressives in the recall.

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No he's not , and not even Russ Feingold himself believes that.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:03 AM (P6QsQ)

181 Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 10:54 AM (P6QsQ)

Can we front-page that quote?

You could get a job as one of his work-from-home speechwriters.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 11:03 AM (rX1N2)

182 You cannot have a libertarian border/immigration policy and a liberal welfare state.

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:03 AM (O3R/2)

183 I find it discomfiting that Obama doesn't address the economy in a helpful way, but creates chaos with, omg the Pill! omg the Gay! omg he must be white, black, yellow, green.

so say he fixes this , everyone recognises we are different, der, and then gays can get married, and then women can get free pills.

but no one has a job except state and federal workers, companies will continue leaving in droves and leave as also the rich will?

He is NOT a srs President, it's become a joke to them.

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 11:03 AM (TomZ9)

184 "The equation of these two, however, is utterly false. The
anti-miscegenation laws voided or prevented otherwise-valid marriages
(male/female) on the basis of the extraneous factor of "race" or skin
color. Same-sex marriage, on the other hand, is the invention of a new
kind of marriage"



I would go further and say that anti-miscegenation laws are the equivalent of SSM court decisions and laws: both are derogations from the common-law definition of marriage, derogations imposed by Democrat judges and politicians for narrow political benefit and against the common good.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 09, 2012 11:03 AM (ZUJAY)

185
I love the "Walker-Koch agenda" bit.

As if the Kochs are co-governors with Walker.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:04 AM (jUytm)

186 Has someone asked Barrett or Obama when Obama is going to be in Wisc to campaign for him?

Posted by: Jean at May 09, 2012 11:04 AM (WkuV6)

187
by the way, are you better off now than you were before homosexual marriage?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:04 AM (jUytm)

188 OT. Wow, we need a palate cleanser.

Yvonne Strahovski. Discuss.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 11:05 AM (NS2Mo)

189 How many rabbits and hats does Obama have left?

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 11:05 AM (TomZ9)

190 The thing about the bastards is they do tend to live together. Welfare moms tend to have more than one. Don't be fooled by the demographics of the electorate.

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:05 AM (O3R/2)

191 I find it discomfiting that Obama doesn't address the economy in a helpful way, but creates chaos with, omg the Pill! omg the Gay! omg he must be white, black, yellow, green.


That is because he's a community organizer. Community organizers never actually heal anything, they pick at scabs.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (JxMoP)

192 They'll say, quite rightly, "where were you BEFORE the North Carolina vote? When you had total control of Congress to actually do something for us?"


********

Hope so, because that's the damn reality. He spent all his political capital on pushing ObamaCare through by hook or by crook and now if that Harvard polling that I posted above is to be believed the-


Youth Vote support for Obama Care has dropped from 61% to 43% in 2012.\

(That's huge.)

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (r2PLg)

193 I think it's exactly the opposite. They don't care if gays get "married," but they do care if someone comes along to upset the social order.

The most significant change to the social order in the last centuryhas been the shift from two-parent families to single-parent. Few care. Why do you think they'll start caring now, when the last social change has cost them billions in added welfare and failing schools and croweded prisons, etc?

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (9KqcB)

194 Gay marriage is for homos.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (4ZNCv)

195
As Obama's big ugly wife would ask, how does homosexual marriage help my kids?

It's a good question, actually, and it's about goddam time we ask it.

How does any of this Leftist crap help us?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (jUytm)

196 I'm not sure this will benefit Romney if more people learn about his doing more than the Mass. court required in issuing individual marriage licenses to gay couples (see Deroy Murdock's December piece in NRO). I also don't believe that "gay marriage" is inevitable, since young voters tend to become more traditional as they grow up; and I disagree with those who trivialize the radical redefinition of the bedrock institution of marriage, without which free society would be all the more difficult to maintain.

Posted by: Lawrence at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (dX1XT)

197 Romeny should say "Gay people need jobs too, just like straight people. Let's focus on that."

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (bj+Nc)

198
Obama is embracing this andusing it for fundraising. His campaignopenly flaunts the trashing of the constitution by proudly declaring that the Justice Department has the authority to determine ifa law is constitutional.
From aDCCC fundraising letter this week:
"I was proud when the Obama administration stopped defending the discriminatory “Defense of Marriage Act” (DOMA) after the Justice Department concluded that the law was unconstitutional. It is imperative that all Americans receive equal protection under the law -- including our LGBT men and women in uniform and their spouses."

Posted by: ColoradoCristine at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (VOVhv)

199 He's a grown man, if he doesn't know how he feels about it already, he's been spectacularly non-introspective.

Cognitive complexity bitches.

Posted by: president say stuff at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (NG097)

200 CAC -


For the best analysis so far on the Wisconsin Recall Primary - listen to the Podcast of the Charlie Sykes Show out of Milwaukee.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/122165534.html

He's live right now but you really have to listen to the first hour. Show started about 90 minutes ago. Walker was on. Sykes is great.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (P6QsQ)

201 I am tired of seeing anti-miscongeniation laws being mixed in with this SSM.

I was AGAINST Amendment One, but it's not my state so my opinion there ultimately doesn't matter. It lost, it lost big, and it shows that people like Jensen for PPP are bullshiting and puffing on the Obama-love in NC. He is going to lose that state and lose it by a sig margin now.

Posted by: CAC at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (6Mq7X)

202 I love the "Walker-Koch agenda" bit.
As if the Kochs are co-governors with Walker.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:04 AM (jUytm)


I liked the "grassroots progressive" bit myself. Soros and union bosses from around the country, with a healthy dash of their own corporate bosses from coast to coast = grassroots.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (rX1N2)

203 This shit again? Goddamn. The only thing more tired would be to bring up abortion rights.

I hate that the left is allowed to determine what the conversation will be about.
If only Fox News was what the schreeching lefties claim it is.. that would Rule!!

Posted by: Terry at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (HRJmX)

204 Soothsayer-

I never knew that was Russ Feingold's middle name.


heh.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (r2PLg)

205 Yvonne Strahovski. Discuss.


Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 11:05 AM (NS2Mo)

Hawt Austro-Polish blonde. All discussion on hold for about 60 seconds.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (RD7QR)

206 effin format fail

Posted by: president say stuff at May 09, 2012 11:07 AM (NG097)

207
Right. Soros the puppetmaster. The most evil billionaire in our world's history.

But let's talk about the Kochs...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:09 AM (jUytm)

208 Obama is embracing this and using it for fundraising. His campaignopenly flaunts the trashing of the constitution by proudly declaring that the Justice Department has the authority to determine ifa law is constitutional.
From a DCCC fundraising letter this week:
"I was proud when the Obama administration stopped defending the discriminatory “Defense of Marriage Act” (DOMA) after the Justice Department concluded that the law was unconstitutional. It is imperative that all Americans receive equal protection under the law -- including our LGBT men and women in uniform and their spouses."
Posted by: ColoradoCristine at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (VOVhv)


*******

Ah ha, there is that angle too.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:09 AM (r2PLg)

209 Yvonne. I'll be in my bunk.


Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:09 AM (O3R/2)

210 Gay marriage is for homos.

A pearl that one is, Dread Lord of the North.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:10 AM (NG097)

211 Oh, and congrats to North Carolina!

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 09, 2012 11:10 AM (ZUJAY)

212
oh, yeah, it's true

the middle names of all progressives is "Cocksucker"

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:10 AM (jUytm)

213 Actual ballot initiatives do not bear that out.
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:02 AM (P6QsQ)

I've never seen a breakdown of independents in these elections. I'd be surprised if they're suddenly conservative on this when they're usually mushy mindlessly liberal on other "social issues."

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:10 AM (9KqcB)

214 CAC - I have to think all those black voters who voted for Amendment 1 will line up, maybe with less enthusiasm, to vote for Obama in November.

So, maybe not enough to win the state, but I'd think the margin will be much tighter.

Posted by: JEM at May 09, 2012 11:11 AM (o+SC1)

215 Yvonne. I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:09 AM (O3R/2)


It will be a red-letter day when she finally struts on screen as Miranda Lawson. I don't care if McG directs that movie, I will pay to see that.
Ok, palate cleanser complete. back to the ghey discussion.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 11:11 AM (NS2Mo)

216 Notably absent from the HQ this morning - Malor's cutting analysis of the NC ballot results and Obama's position on SSM.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 11:11 AM (rX1N2)

217 Seems I read a few days ago that Bammys gay donors were mad at him and had cut off the spigot...
Wow ,just realized that sentence has a double meaning...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (ZHge+)

218 The Ick Factor is a perfectly valid basis for a policy preference.

Discuss.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (NG097)

219 A pearl that one is, Dread Lord of the North.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:10 AM (NG097)

I thought he was more The Swamp Thing.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (rX1N2)

220
Malor's cutting analysis of the NC ballot results and Obama's position on SSM.

Oh I'm sure he tweeted about it.

Tweeted the shit out of it, I'll bet.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (jUytm)

221
"I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on the issue but it's not going to sway this election."
Not necessarily. Yes, there is the generation gap, but, at the same time, the number of minorities (especially Latinos) is growing. And, the young minorities don't seem to be in favor of gay marriage any more than their parents. Especially among minority males.
Plus, I think it's one thing to say, sure, I support gay marriage publicly, which is the PC thing to say, but another when you're in thevoting booth.

Posted by: sydney jane at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (SgIP1)

222 I thought he was more The Swamp Thing. Originally I think, now he's in America's Hat.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (NG097)

223 as there's no doubt about the generation gab on the issue
Call for Dr Freud. Call for Dr Freud. You're wanted on the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (nU/dt)

224 So the State is successfully convincing the population that no one needs a daddy. Brilliant strategy. Using sex as a lure. Quite barbaric. How's abortion helping with those unwed mother numbers?

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (JoL4S)

225 The Ick Factor is a perfectly valid basis for a policy preference.



Discuss.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:12 AM (NG097)

There's a reason certain things are icky to most people. I think it's in the same class as the uncanny valley phenomenon.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (NS2Mo)

226 Yeah, um, what was that line? Oh yeah, It's the economy, stupid. Americans have internalized the shitty economic state we find ourselves in and all these distractions by Barky will just piss them off more. Thanks for the boost Biden, best VP Dem evaa.

Posted by: dogfish at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (N2yhW)

227 Obama's position on SSM

I always read that as S&M at first glance.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:13 AM (NG097)

228 women on the pill or not need jobs to support their children or themsleves, men white , brown , black need jobs to support themeslves and or families, gay , and lesbians still need jobs to support themselves.
see we all have same BASIC needs.

Posted by: willow at May 09, 2012 11:14 AM (TomZ9)

229 Not like I care, not being gay or from N.C. but.... why would he come out of the closet about this issue now, after the N.C. vote? Is he just trying to piss off the libs in NC just a little bit more?

Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 09, 2012 11:14 AM (C2//T)

230 Resuable grocery bag carried nasty norovirus, scientists say
Oregon public health officials have traced a nasty outbreak of norovirus infections in a group of soccer players to an unlikely source: a reusable grocery bag contaminated with what some experts are calling “the perfect pathogens.”
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Brought to you by the liberal braintrust.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 09, 2012 11:14 AM (UpwlP)

231 Romeny should say "Gay people need jobs too, just like straight people. Let's focus on that."

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain


I like: "Gay people need jobs so they can afford to get married, lets work on jobs first and worry about our differences later."

Only question it raises is who pays for the dress.

Posted by: Jean at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (WkuV6)

232 So, Bammy is repeating foot-sniffer Dick Morris tripod strategy:

War-on-Women
Gay-rights
Killing-granny

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (136wp)

233 I like to say this once per day just to be consistent. It's not about gay marriage, it's about tearing down the family and the church on purpose to allow the state more power.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (JoL4S)

234 Ghee has anyone dared to tune in Rachel Maddow for analysis on the North Carolina vote?

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (r2PLg)

235 Is he just trying to piss off the libs in NC just a little bit more?

He certainly didn't carry any water for the anti-AmendmentOne side when it might have mattered. That's got to burn some people's biscuits.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (NG097)

236 It would be a big mistake to come out in favor of gay marriage right now. The polls just aren't there. And it's weird too because Barry isn't a brave candidate, he's very cautious. He's dumb though, and he almost always makes the wrong decision, so you never know. But this one seems pretty clear.

Unless there are some photos and some fabulous people who are itching to reminisce.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 09, 2012 11:16 AM (N/1Dm)

237 Only question it raises is who pays for the dress.
Posted by: Jean at May 09, 2012 11:15 AM (WkuV6)

Nah, the catcher parents pay for the dress

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 09, 2012 11:16 AM (136wp)

238
Barry is running out of distractions. This latest ploy will blow over in days.

Posted by: So Long Soetoro at May 09, 2012 11:16 AM (c3mby)

239 I'd bet at least a Jackson that BarkyOdumbass believes he is such a great orataor that he can give an interview repeating his same old "I support gay rights but also traditional marriage" delivered with his usual wishy washy platitudes and some "Some say ....." strawmen arguements and keep both socially conservative blacks and gays happy.

Posted by: Palerider at May 09, 2012 11:16 AM (5CusZ)

240 Romeny should say "Gay people need jobs too, just like straight people. Let's focus on that."


Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at May 09, 2012 11:06 AM (bj+Nc)


Barry has been giving gay guys jobs for years. Oh you mean work jobs

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 11:16 AM (1Jaio)

241 230 Annnndddddddd. I'M RIGHT AGAIN.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (JoL4S)

242 THE BALLS ON THESE GUYS!

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (NG097)

243 @ 229 Barky wants the money from the rich, gay supporters. They have threatened to withhold donations.

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (joSBv)

244 Barry is running out of distractions

----------

I wonder who's next? Which victim class hasn't been used up yet?

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)

245 >>And, the young minorities don't seem to be in favor of gay marriage any
more than their parents. Especially among minority males.

To be fair, they don't seem to be real big on straight marriage, either. Especially the young males.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 11:18 AM (/kI1Q)

246 For years I have been trying to get the Alabama Legislature to create a new one-one relationship for tax and other purposes. Let any two people claim each other as next of kin with all the inheritance, power of attorney etc. Two gay guys, two spinster sisters, a "confirmed bachelor" and his mother, whatever. Let them form a family unit and don't ask why.

My motto: Take the sex out of marriage.

Posted by: crossposted, for great justice at May 09, 2012 11:18 AM (NG097)

247 And it begins....Link to Daily Caller article in name. Gay advocacy group circulating online petition to move convention from NC gets 15,000 quick sigs.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 11:18 AM (HethX)

248 I like: "Gay people need jobs so they can afford to get married, lets work on jobs first and worry about our differences later."



Only question it raises is who pays for the dress.

I sometimes watch this ridiculous show called'Say yes to the dress "which is about a bridal salon and the Women who go there for their wedding dresses. They had an episode with two lesbians buying their dresses . I'm ashamed to say I laughed when they both came out in their dresses for their wedding. To each his/her own but it just seemed weird..

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at May 09, 2012 11:19 AM (ZHge+)

249 56
This issue is split down the middle. Half support it and half oppose it.
The generational gap on this issue doesn't matter. A federal law
legalizing gay marriage will never pass in this country. Its just not
gonna happen. Ever.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot

LOL, someone's a little unclear on the concept of a generation gap.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 09, 2012 11:19 AM (dZ756)

250 How does this vote affect non-married Julia and her never mentioned sperm donor?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 11:19 AM (1Jaio)

251 I wonder who's next? Which victim class hasn't been used up yet?
Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)
-------------------------------------------------
Amputees?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 09, 2012 11:19 AM (jucos)

252
Cow-worker: How was your interview with Preezy One?

Robin Roberts: He took "it" out!

Cow-worker: What?

Robin Roberts: "It." "It" was out in the open.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (4q5tP)

253 Force the other side to live up to their own rules


make the Jug-Eared Fuckstick go on record as supporting gay marriage

40 state landslide

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (8sCoq)

254 Reminder it's: CONVICTED FELON, MARKET MANIPULATING SPECULATOR, AND ADMITTED NAZI COLLABORATOR George Soros

Never let that punk get away without his title.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (KCvsd)

255 I wonder who's next? Which victim class hasn't been used up yet?


Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)

Differently Abled Transgendered Inuits. You try getting a wheel chair across the ice in pursuit of caribou!

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (RD7QR)

256 >>a new one-one relationship for tax and other
purposes. Let any two people claim each other as next of kin with all
the inheritance, power of attorney etc. Two gay guys, two spinster
sisters, a "confirmed bachelor" and his mother, whatever. Let them form a
family unit and don't ask why.

The Tancredo Compromise.

I'm a big fan. Why does "family" have to be defined as "sexual relationship"?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (/kI1Q)

257
I wonder who's next? Which victim class hasn't been used up yet?

oooh! oooh!

/raises hand

I know!

Veterans.

Obama loves to use veterans and portray them as hapless victims.

Posted by: Arnold Soothsayer Horshack at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (jUytm)

258 Let any two people claim each other as next of kin with all the inheritance, power of attorney etc.

They already can.

"Next of Kin" is whoever you claim.
"Inheritance" can be handled by *gasp* a will.
POA can be granted already.

So what benefit does your option provide?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (8y9MW)

259 Gay advocacy group circulating online petition to move convention from NC gets 15,000 quick sigs.

Beautiful. Slap those crackers, numbnuts.

I wonder what Barry's Traveling Freak Show will do next. Pissing off Ohio voters would be nice.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (NG097)

260 Not like I care, not being gay or from N.C. but.... why would he come out of the closet about this issue now, after the N.C. vote? Is he just trying to piss off the libs in NC just a little bit more?
Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 09, 2012 11:14 AM (C2//T)

It's a desperation move to shore up his base. Probably also a calculation by Axelrod that this is an issue that might help rekindle some enthusiasm among younger voters for Obama, and could be used as a wedge issue in the general campaign. But it seems an awful lot like "leading from behind" to do this AFTER the vote in North Carolina. A real leader, you know, LEADS on an issue like this. Obama has hemmed and hawed about it for 5 years now. It won't matter much what he says now, in fact I think it will backfire on him in many ways.

My view is that Obama never wanted to take a public position on marriage; he was counting on the Proposition 8 case to get to the Supreme Court and for Elena Kagan to do his dirty work for him there.

Posted by: rockmom at May 09, 2012 11:21 AM (qE3AR)

261 I wonder who's next? Which victim class hasn't been used up yet?

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)

-------------------------------------------------

Amputees?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 09, 2012 11:19 AM (jucos)

No, I think he used them back when he was babbling about the evil doctors amputating feet.

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 11:21 AM (joSBv)

262 As for Amendment One, if Barky had come down and actively campaigned against it, would it have mattered? The guy is the "kiss of death". Ask Martha Coakley how effective his endorsement is.


Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (O3R/2)

263 A federal law legalizing gay marriage will never pass in this country. Its just not gonna happen. Ever.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot

Who needs a law, he'll us an EO to hold funding from states who don't recognize gay marriage

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (136wp)

264 Why Robin Roberts for the interview? Why not go mano-a-mano with Anderson Cooper or Shep Smith?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (4q5tP)

265 Differently Abled Transgendered Inuits. You try getting a wheel chair across the ice in pursuit of caribou!


Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:20 AM (RD7QR)



Joey Biden: Stand up guy/girls. Let everyone see you.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (1Jaio)

266 So what benefit does your option provide?

Simplicity.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (NG097)

267 Barack Obama is a gay stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: izoneguy at May 09, 2012 11:23 AM (hbRed)

268 Gay marriage is this generations global warming. Dire predictions of electoral doom if we don't do anything about it, but mostly just made up hype to force a reaction.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe at May 09, 2012 11:23 AM (oipCQ)

269 The most significant change to the social order in the last centuryhas been the shift from two-parent families to single-parent.

This is the direct result of free government cheese and policies' rewards for choosing this government-dependent lifestyle. This cannot continue under the anti-growth policies of the left.

Either the economy gets back on track and we can once again grow what Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club calls the "design margin" and kick the can a little more down the road, or we hit the hard stop of DOOM. If the cheese can no longer flow, the dependent class will be forced to choose from getting their shit together or starvation.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 09, 2012 11:24 AM (p7SSh)

270 dang sock.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:24 AM (oipCQ)

271 and for Elena Kagan to do his dirty work for him there.


******

That's just not a pretty picture.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:24 AM (r2PLg)

272 >>"Next of Kin" is whoever you claim.

Except, it's not. It's strictly defined. You can claim anything you like, but if you're unmarried and have a living parent, they get to pull your feeding tube. If you're married, your parents can't keep your feeding tube in.

>>"Inheritance" can be handled by *gasp* a will.
>>POA can be granted already.

>>So what benefit does your option provide?

Why did you and your wife register your relationship with the government instead of just filling out the POA forms and making a will?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ braucht ein Bier at May 09, 2012 11:24 AM (/kI1Q)

273 "It is absolutely clear... As I have always said... There has never been any doubt... yada yada yada."

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (71LDo)

274 Sandra Fluke feels left out with the whole gay marriage thing, takeing up so much of the media spot light now. She will soon be joining the HAS BEEN TOUR, with Lugar, Orin Hatch, Miley Cirus and MC'd by BHS..Special appearance by the Fannie Freddie duo "Barney and Cris"

Posted by: Clemenza at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (fCSfn)

275 So bottom line...maybe Megan McCain will be moved but that's about it.




It would take a fork lift to move her. Big industrial one

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (1Jaio)

276 Joffen - watched the USSR/Occupier video at HA. Yay for Capitalism!

Really is amazing some of the things the bone head occupier thought were true. I didn't realize that Israel was trying to take over Iran?

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (bj+Nc)

277 I always read that as SM at first glance.

Posted by: toby928©


Well, you're never far off in that case. IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

278 >>>>Who needs a law, he'll us an EO to hold funding from states who don't recognize gay marriage



What will the states and feds do in a couple of years when there isn't any money to send?

Posted by: runninrebel at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (N/1Dm)

279 Does anyone know a relatively accurate percentage of the U.S. population that deems itself gay? 3%? Why is this constantly an issue that people get worked up over? Is the gay lobby really that powerful? For the record, I could care less if gay people want to get married, just as long as they have to live by the same alimony, child support, etc. rules that the rest of us do when they inevitably divorce.

Posted by: clonefan at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (+yR6J)

280 Lobotomized-Americans deserve their cut of the pie too!

Posted by: joe 'super genius' biden at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (nU/dt)

281 If he says he's for it, he has to move to the right on some other issue that blue collar whites might care about- and he is such an idiot and an ideologue, he can't. He'll have religious black voters no matter what. Perhaps he thinks (or his minions) it will help with white suburbanites? /rhetorical

Posted by: Baldy at May 09, 2012 11:26 AM (tqQ8d)

282 Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:22 AM (NG097)

I'm not seeing how it's any more "simple."

If I don't have a will, even as a married man, anyone can challenge my wife's right to my estate. They'll likely lose, but there you go. With a will- they can still challenge it, but they're even more likely to lose.

She's assumed to have POA in some issues, but not in all. If I want her to have full Power of Attorney, I have to file that paperwork.

And she'll only be listed as my Next of Kin if I list her as next of kin.

You haven't actually saved anyone much, if any, effort, and you have given the State one more hook into your private life. Doesn't seem like a good trade off, to me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:26 AM (8y9MW)

283 Is the gay lobby really that powerful?

They're the richest persecuted minority in history.

Posted by: toby928© at May 09, 2012 11:26 AM (NG097)

284
This is not going according to plan.

When I looked through my political crystal ball last week, I saw the Left beginning a new meme of pretending Obama is too conservative.

But now they want Obama to admit he's for homosexual marriage.

The Left is cracking.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:26 AM (jUytm)

285 OT. Wow, we need a palate cleanser.

Yvonne Strahovski. Discuss.


This OT topic is useless without pics.

So I've supplied a link to one in my nick.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 09, 2012 11:26 AM (G18kV)

286 It's entirely possibly that Obama's doing this for one reason only: He knows he's toast in November, so why not try the "Homophobe" card along with the "Race" card?


After all, that will help him get the job he really wants: UN Chairman. Imagine how fun that will be with a fawning press covering UN Chairman Obama and his daily America-Bash festivals decrying what a bunch of racist homophobes we are.

Posted by: Naqamel at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (UMwMT)

287 What happened to the good old days, with beer summits?

Posted by: Say What? at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (b7L99)

288 It's about the Social Security survivor's and Old Age Pension benefits.

It's about health insurance from the "spouses" employer.

Destroying society and Christianity is icing on the "Wedding cake."

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (O3R/2)

289 Is the gay lobby really that powerful?

No, but they're FABULOUS!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 09, 2012 11:28 AM (sbV1u)

290 Why is this constantly an issue that people get
worked up over? Is the gay lobby really that powerful?

Posted by: clonefan at May 09, 2012 11:25 AM (+yR6J)
The entire "power" of the gay lobby is tied up in the Democrat monopoly for unions and race-card minorities. If either on of those blows up, "gay rights" outside of rights everyone else has - goes "poof" [no pun intended]; you'll never hear about it again except in documentaries about how the Democrat party committed suicide.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:28 AM (oipCQ)

291 Waterhouse, you're a good man.

Posted by: grognard, SMOD-Squad at May 09, 2012 11:29 AM (NS2Mo)

292 @279 You faggot!!!The media has declared that minorities are off limits to any criticism..Now go back to watching MSNBC or CNN..

Posted by: Clemenza at May 09, 2012 11:29 AM (fCSfn)

293 >Imagine how fun that will be with a fawning press
covering UN Chairman Obama and his daily America-Bash festivals decrying
what a bunch of racist homophobes we are.

Posted by: Naqamel at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (UMwMT)

fine- let the stupid cocksucker be UN chairman- last time I checked, the UN Chairman had zero influence over US internal affairs

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 09, 2012 11:30 AM (8sCoq)

294 I know it's only 3% but I swear it seems higher.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:31 AM (JoL4S)

295 I've just come from the window where I watched the neighbors power get shut off. What a blessing that he can enjoy being carbon nuetral.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 09, 2012 11:31 AM (UpwlP)

296 If I don't have a will, even as a married man, anyone can challenge my wife's right to my estate.

Ummmmm what? If you die intestate, then your estate is divided by statute. That statute is going to be specific as to who can get your estate. Generally speaking, the spouse is going to get, at minimum, 50% of your estate. Not just anyone gets it. I think either I misread your comment or you meant something else, but there are intestacy statutes on the book in every state and those can be a bitch to deal with.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 09, 2012 11:31 AM (VtjlW)

297 "what we all know" about Obama's real position on gay marriage?

Here's what I know: it is 99.99% certain that Obama is actually, not just a Muslim, but an Islamofascist. If it were up to him, he would throw homosexuals off of buildings. Or rather, he would throw OTHER gays off of buildings, just like the gay Saudi Islamofascists do.

Not 99.99% certain on the Obama-gay part, but come on, if the only composite girlfriend he can come up with is Bill Ayers' girlfriend, something's wrong. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 09, 2012 11:31 AM (kTTUz)

298 I'd love to see the stories about the gay men fighting over who gets the Streisand box set in the settlement.

Posted by: clonefan at May 09, 2012 11:32 AM (+yR6J)

299 286
It's entirely possibly that Obama's doing this for one reason only: He
knows he's toast in November, so why not try the "Homophobe" card along
with the "Race" card?

Posted by: Naqamel at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (UMwMT)

This is it exactly. he's done, so he is promoting as much of his agenda as possible using the Bully Pulpit. If he really presses this (and/or if Romney is smart enough to play it) the Democrat coalition will blow up in the process.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:32 AM (oipCQ)

300 @294 you need to move out of California and New Yawk for a while the chromos are out of balance where you live..We are currently working on a vaccine available November 2012..

Posted by: Clemenza at May 09, 2012 11:33 AM (fCSfn)

301 Even liberals don't really support gay marriage. In California there was a very mild prolife measure on the same ballot as prop. 8. The prolife measure failed. Clearly it wasn't just right wing wackos voting against gay marriage.

Posted by: Lauren at May 09, 2012 11:33 AM (nHId7)

302 Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 09, 2012 11:31 AM (kTTUz)

That brit had a video about how gay Saudi Arabia was just last week.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:33 AM (oipCQ)

303 Except, it's not. It's strictly defined. You can claim anything you
like, but if you're unmarried and have a living parent, they get to pull
your feeding tube. If you're married, your parents can't keep your
feeding tube in.


It's strictly defined if I don't re-define it. If I tell the hospital my next of kin is my big brother, they'll defer to him. Sure, it may cause legal wrangling if my parents don't accede to my wishes, but that could happen anyway.

Why did you and your wife register your relationship with the government
instead of just filling out the POA forms and making a will?


Because we're lazy. But don't mistake that for her having full POA for me (if I want her to have it, I have to give it to her. This is why Credit Card companies have to ask for my permission to speak to her, for example), or her automatically getting everything if I die (she would, because I can't imagine anyone in my family disputing it- but they could).

Indeed, about the only time my wife has POA for me is if I'm incapacitated- which makes it far less than a "true" POA. If I want her to be able to speak to anyone at any time on my behalf, I would have to file POA, and then provide that documentation to anyone I wanted to talk to her.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:33 AM (8y9MW)

304 I still think there is a chance Obama doesn't do this.

He splits the baby.

The North Carolina law also banned civil unions--so he comes out and speaks out against that.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:34 AM (r2PLg)

305 You mean the "Boys in the Hall" (Funny thing about the anal probes - 10% seem to enjoy it.) 10% stat is bullshit?

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:36 AM (O3R/2)

306 Make the other side live up to their own rules


make Obama embrace the whole gay agenda

Paint Obama as totally gay-friendly: he watches Glee, has those gay black and white golf shoes, cute bicycle helmet, the whole nine gay yards

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 09, 2012 11:36 AM (8sCoq)

307 The North Carolina law also banned civil unions--so he comes out and speaks out against that.

Posted by: tasker at May 09, 2012 11:34 AM (r2PLg)

Did not know that, and you've probably just nailed it. NTTAWWT.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:36 AM (RD7QR)

308
Do not make the mistake of thinking Obama doesn't think he'll win.

Obama really does think he's doing a fine job, and he's confident that he can fool enough people to believe it, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:38 AM (jUytm)

309 tasker may be right when he says:

"I suspect he is worried about the Youth Vote--so this is an effort to get them out for another historic vote-



The First President for Same Sex Marriage."

There may be something to this. One of the big differences between 2008 and 2012 (besides O's shitty record) is that in 2008 Obama was a HISTORIC, UNPRECEDENTED candidate. That was a huge part of the Obama mystique, the Obama adoration-- which is so sorely lacking now.

Now O looks-- even to the MSM-- as a mockable, somewhat pathetic figure. The MSM really wants to help re-elect him, but so far they have little to go on. Everything Axelrod co. have so far rolled out has been crap.

But a HISTORIC speech, taking a HISTORIC and UNPRECEDENTED position on gay marriage-- that's something the MSM can run with! They can use all the most nauseating superlatives imaginable-- how brave, visionary, courageous, breaking barriers, making history, pioneering, hero of civil rights, etc. A "gutsy call." FORWARD. Imagine all the Hollywood celebrities singing hosannas over it! Ugh.

And of course, that would give them the opportunity to correspondingly frame the GOP as the reactionary bigoted homophobic party. (NB If Obama had gotten Santorum as his opponent, none of this "evolution" would be necessary. The "war on gays" would be part of the Santorum package.) You think the MSM will ask Obama all the awkward difficult questions about his "evolution"? He'll make a pretty speech with the deceptive appearance of profundity (like his vaunted speech on race), and MSM will bow in awe. On the other hand they'll interrogate Romney on his views re gay marriage like inquisitors. If they can somehow get Romney to say something moderate that they could spin to alienate both social conservatives AND gay-friendly youth: score! (Not saying the Dems/ MSM would succeed at any of this. But they would certainly try.)

Meanwhile, of course-- who wants to talk about the economy? This is so much more important and exciting to talk about. It's HISTORIC!

I'm so bored of this topic myself, all the hullaballoo from both sides. Can't we all just agree on civil unions and move on already. But the Dan Savages and Maggie Gallaghers of the world will never let this go. This is their most precious issue, obsession and mission in life, they'll push it and push it and exasperate the rest of us with it to the bitter end.

Posted by: lael at May 09, 2012 11:38 AM (yvBiy)

310 He splits the baby.>>>

Just don't ask him to slit the puppy with you.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 11:38 AM (tf9Ne)

311 It's about the Social Security survivor's and Old Age Pension benefits.It's about health insurance from the "spouses" employer.Destroying society and Christianity is icing on the "Wedding cake."
Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:27 AM (O3R/2)

No it isn't, it's about the gay activists constantly moving the bar further and further, to wherever they know the rest of the population will squeal and push back. Remember, just a few years ago they said all they wanted was civil unions so they could have the legal rights of marriage. They promised, promised, promised that they were not going to push for gay marriage. So what happens when most of the states say, fine, and pass civil unions? All of a sudden "marriage equality" becomes the new civil rights struggle. The whole reason Prop. 8 was necessary in Californmia was that the state Supreme Court ruled that civil unions weren't enough to make same-sex relationships "equal" to marriages.

There should be no doubt that once they get marriage, the gay activistswill push forthings even more offensive, like forcing churches to perform and recognizesame-sex marriages or face losing their tax exemptions. They will push for laws like Canada's that defines preaching the Biblical passages agauinst homsexuality as a hate crime. They will sue school districts to stop father-son days and any sort of recognition that would apply only to man-woman marriage. Then we'll get into the whole area of gender-specific sports and we'll be up to our necks in boys wanting to play field hockey and girls wanting to play football.

They are going to make all the rest of us out to be homophobes,. no matter what we give them.

Posted by: rockmom at May 09, 2012 11:39 AM (NYnoe)

312 Robin Roberts is more of a man than Barack. And he digs that about her.

Posted by: SMOD the Liberator at May 09, 2012 11:39 AM (2xWPa)

313 Look- we all know that Obama is totally into gay guys.

Axel ROD (which would be a great gay pornstar name)

RAHM Emanuel (sounds like 'ram')

Make him own the whole gay thing

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 09, 2012 11:39 AM (8sCoq)

314 Anybody think BO will mildly come out in support of the NC voters( the people have spoken kind of dealio) and give a MLK-esque wrap-up that he hopes one day all people will be judged by the content of their character and not whether or not they have a bleached bunghole?

He'll try to have it both ways.

Demographically, playing to gays on gay marriage is a vote loser (1-3% of the population.

But gays give a lot of cash to the Dims.

So, BO will use his "gift" and try to TOTUS us into submission with his Solomanic wisdom- i.e.. he always splits the difference.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2012 11:39 AM (G9qZk)

315 "I have always been clear in my support of my position on this issue, which has always been clear."

This will happen.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 09, 2012 11:39 AM (B+qrE)

316 I don't buy the "inevitable because of young people" argument. I remember when 18 year olds got the vote. That meant marijuana would surely be legalized before long...

Posted by: DaMav at May 09, 2012 11:40 AM (EqxtD)

317 It's about the Social Security survivor's and Old Age Pension benefits.

It might be about that. It's not about "insurance" because private companies already provide that.

I think either I misread your comment or you meant something else, but
there are intestacy statutes on the book in every state and those can be
a bitch to deal with.


I meant that, if someone in my family wanted to be a complete dick (they don't) they could sue to be included in the division of my estate. In TX, the assumption is that the wife would get 100%, but if (say) one of my brothers wanted to make an issue of it, they could sue and tie the whole thing up in probate for however long, trying to get part of that.

And, depending on why they were being a dick, they might even succeed in getting some of it.

Yes, the assumption is that she'd get it all. I don't think, in TX, I can prevent her from getting any (not that I would), but I could limit her to 50% and put the rest elsewhere. But that would still require a specific will.

My point is that being married does not, in any way, supersede the need for a will. Even if I've been too lazy to file one.

Being married is not a substitute for a full POA, or a formal will.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:40 AM (8y9MW)

318
Went the flotus says "give it to me hard honey", the JEF dons the strap-on and then later slugs her.

Posted by: Red Green at May 09, 2012 11:41 AM (vVmy1)

319 305
You mean the "Boys in the Hall" (Funny thing about the anal probes - 10% seem to enjoy it.) 10% stat is bullshit?


Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:36 AM (O3R/2)

when I went to college in the early 90's when the 1in 10 BS was rampant, the first thing i did was go to liberry and look up the stat in the original source. I was really becoming aware of how much BS the left throws around. Well. That 1 in 10 stat is from a sample of prison inmates that engaged in any kind of homosexual activity.Now - prison sex jokes aside - I don't call a guy getting his rocks off in prison where there are no warm female bodies around "gay", per se. Pretty sure they aren't going to be opening any hair salons on the outside. Quite frankly, given the male libido, I am surprised the number isn't higher.
That study puts the %age of men who regularly prefer same-sex relations at 3% tops.
1 in 10 is the socialist's engineering goal, not a fact.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:41 AM (oipCQ)

320 Here's part of the problem. These people never leave their echo chambers. I had my neo-conservative Catholic 70 year old MiL tell me that EVERYONE accepts gays EVERYWHERE. I suggested that people pretended to do that but that the "ick" factor still existed and that some people were on to the left's true purpose here.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:42 AM (JoL4S)

321 Now - prison sex jokes aside - I don't call a guy getting his rocks off in prison where there are no warm female bodies around "gay", per se.


Pretty sure it's gay no matter what your excuse.

Posted by: garrett at May 09, 2012 11:43 AM (HWVrj)

322 I keep hearing it bans civil unions, and all the media say so, but this was added to the version that passed the Legislature. It was not included on the printed ballot question, but I believe it is in effect.





"Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts. "

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 11:43 AM (HethX)

323 Do not make the mistake of thinking Obama doesn't think he'll win.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:38 AM (jUytm)

Obama doesn't believe in victory in the traditional sense. That doesn't me he won't pull every trick in the book trying - but he'll trade out for other options when necessary. Obama doesn't care if he "wins", as long as he gets what he wants.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:44 AM (oipCQ)

324 So is a civil union a contract?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (RD7QR)

325
Chris Matthews, a big fucking idiot. He is Bidenesque.

"CHRIS MATTHEWS: It seems to me one thing that somebody of a business background like Romney – and that’s where he spent his life, making money – should be very good at picking winners, testing business character, who’s got it, who doesn’t have it. Alan Mulally, the head of Ford now, has taken them to number five in the country as profitable corporation. Ford is back as the number five most profitable company in the country right now.

Again, back to you, John, it seems to me that somebody should have paid attention to the fact that Mulally having this kind of gift and ability to do this kind of thing, and he didn’t bet on him. Obama bet on him.

/transcript provided by Newsbusters.org

vid here: http://tinyurl.com/88u92cy

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (jUytm)

326 If the cheese can no longer flow, the dependent class will be forced to choose from getting their shit together or starvation.
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 09, 2012 11:24 AM (p7SSh)

But the American Voter will not let them starve. And by the time it really comes down to Impossibly High Taxes to Keep Parasites Alive vs. Shift Back to Individual Responsibility, it's too late. The parasites will be too great in number.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (9KqcB)

327 My point is that being married does not, in any way, supersede the need for a will. Even if I've been too lazy to file one.Being married is not a substitute for a full POA, or a formal will.

Oh, hell yes to this. A million times more so when thereare children involved. The very last thing you want is Children and Youth deciding they need to get involved.

Okay, since we're past 300 comments, I feel compelled to attempt to yank this dramatically off topic. So. Question 1. Can you hunt Bigfoot? - http://bit.ly/LuvxEx
Question 1a. What is the best type of longbow with which to hunt Bigfoot?

Posted by: alexthechick at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (VtjlW)

328 Interesting that a state that went to Preezy Osleezy in 08 passed such a comprehensive law.

Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (JoL4S)

329 Gee ... the socialist hippie ruling class are upset that their base insists on voting conservative once in a while.

Too fucking bad.

Posted by: Kristopher at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (Z3y1K)

330 Has that big Hollywoodfundraiser happened yet? This may be a move to appease some of those rich Hollywood libs who are all about teh gheys. He couldn't afford to go out there and get bombarded by celebrities demanding that he support SSM and risk one or more of them running to the media and whining about it. Now he will be a hero to all of them and bask in the glory.

He'll have a big-ass problem explaining it to the Muslim world though.

Posted by: rockmom at May 09, 2012 11:46 AM (NYnoe)

331 Question 1. Can you hunt Bigfoot?

No. I don't have the time.

What is the best type of longbow with which to hunt Bigfoot?

Welsh.

Though, with modern technology, I'd use a compound-bow instead.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:46 AM (8y9MW)

332
@AllenG,
You think TX is bad? In MO my wife can't remove Artificial Nutrition and Hydration from me if I'm PVS even with DPOA, she's got to have a specialized rider that allows her to do that! (We're one FUBAR state sometimes.) That Rider can be applied to anyone, rendering my "marriage" status useless anyway.
As for property, it might matter here, we're a common property state. Once you marry you share everything (regardless of the names on accounts) as I understand the way the law has been interpreted. Doesn't matter much for single people though (or cohabitators, since MO doesn't have Common Law Marriages). So a will could create the same effect. A well written and executed will should be fairly untouchable (even if there's the inevitable delay of probate court).

Posted by: tsrblke at May 09, 2012 11:46 AM (22rSN)

333 I am loving it that the Democratic Convention is in North Carolina.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:47 AM (P6QsQ)

334 The City of Charlotte now pays benefits to homosexual partners. How does the passage of Amendment One affect that? If I lived in Charlotte, I'd be demanding to know why unlawful marriage benefits were being paid by my taxes, which BTW are the highest taxes in NC. OK, fiscons, there's your issue on this 'social' construct.

There is no separation between social conservatism and fiscal conservatism, because libertarian and liberal social constructs are too expensive. Funny how folks knew that to be true until 1960, and then decided, 'eh, what do they know?'. Epic fail, Me Generation, epic fail. Abortion was to end unwanted (read illegitimate) pregnancies - they proliferated instead. Here's a clue, ignoring the consequences of bad social policy doesn't preclude the consequences. It just makes you a democrat.


Posted by: Carmelita at May 09, 2012 11:47 AM (Y/2U4)

335 I take it that as long as you don't call a contract a"domestic legal union", you can do whatever you want. But as people are saying, the benefits from the Gov't are at issue and that's a whole different kettle of fish.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 11:47 AM (HethX)

336 I am sure that David Geffen's lover doesn't give a damn about Social Security benefits or health insurance.

Middle-class gays, on the other hand, are very, very interested in it.

How many private employers provide health insurance benefits to "partners" of employees? I worked for Hughes Network Systems and they did. I have no idea how prevalent it is.

Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:48 AM (O3R/2)

337 If there's one thing that will terrify a gay man, it's a conservative's Schadenboner.

Posted by: Roy at May 09, 2012 11:48 AM (VndSC)

338 How many private employers provide health insurance benefits to "partners" of employees?





Hey. They can always go into teaching.

Posted by: mama winger at May 09, 2012 11:49 AM (P6QsQ)

339 I stopped watching SMASH (on NBC) because of the implausible story lines and the ick factor with the rampant male homosexuality, but mostly the ick factor of the male homosexuality.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 09, 2012 11:49 AM (jucos)

340 You think TX is bad?

No. I love TX. My point is that any attempt to make "civil unions" more "simple" is misguided, at best. Marriage doesn't provide all the legal benefits it is so often ascribed.

I didn't get married because I wanted legal benefits anyway. I got married because that's what people do when they want to spend the rest of their lives together as a family.

Any legal benefits were pure bonus.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:49 AM (8y9MW)

341 You mean the "Boys in the Hall" (Funny thing about the anal probes - 10% seem to enjoy it.) 10% stat is bullshit?
Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:36 AM (O3R/2)

As an aside, that's a funny sketch. Alien 1: "Why do we do this? Abducting earthlings just to probe them anally and return them?" Alien 2: "Because the Leader says so." Alien 1" Well, if you ask me, the Leader is just a twisted ass freak."

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:49 AM (9KqcB)

342 Posted by: dagny at May 09, 2012 11:42 AM (JoL4S)

The "ick factor" is a huge but undiscussed issue. I don't give a rat's ass what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, but don't flaunt your perversions in front of me or my children.

Overt sexuality is uncomfortable in heterosexuals, and it's more disturbing in homosexuals because it is uncommon behavior (1%-3% is not common in my book).

If homosexuals cared only about acceptance and didn't lust after approval as well, they would have been far less push-back.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 09, 2012 11:49 AM (nEUpB)

343 322
I keep hearing it bans civil unions, and all the media say so, but this
was added to the version that passed the Legislature. It was not
included on the printed ballot question, but I believe it is in effect.



Posted by: Lincolntf at May 09, 2012 11:43 AM (HethX)

Sure, but you can't go to a government office and get a "Civil Union License" issued by the state, and the legislature can't enact a statute to create one without repealing that amendment, but you are free to set up individual arrangements via contract. That isn't a state-sponsored Civil Union like a marriage is.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:50 AM (oipCQ)

344
How many private employers provide health insurance benefits to "partners" of employees? I worked for Hughes Network Systems and they did. I have no idea how prevalent it is.
Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:48 AM (O3R/2)


You're starting to see a lot of "+1" insurance plans. Circumvents this issue entirely. The only requirment is that you live at the same address. I know people who are using it to insure their adult children. (Not illegal, the Husband takes his work insurance through Company A, the Wife took her's through Company B with the "+1" option and named the Kid as her "+1.")
From the perspective of Marriage it's basically the same. Some of the one's I've seen even have a +1+Kids plan.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 09, 2012 11:51 AM (22rSN)

345 How many private employers provide health insurance
benefits to "partners" of employees? I worked for Hughes Network Systems
and they did. I have no idea how prevalent it is.


Posted by: Jimbo (SMOD 2012's biggest fan) at May 09, 2012 11:48 AM (O3R/2)

Jim, I was in the pubs department at HNS through the end of 2000. What finally happened to them anyway?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 09, 2012 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

346 But the American Voter will not let them starve. And by the time it really comes down to Impossibly High Taxes to Keep Parasites Alive vs. Shift Back to Individual Responsibility, it's too late. The parasites will be too great in number.
Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (9KqcB)
--------------------------------------------------
Parasites don't do well when the hosts die. Europe will find this out sooner than the US.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 09, 2012 11:52 AM (jucos)

347 How many private employers provide health insurance benefits to
"partners" of employees? I worked for Hughes Network Systems and they
did. I have no idea how prevalent it is.


From my time at a COBRA administrator? Pretty close to 100% now. Smaller companies (say, 51 - 75 employees: just big enough to qualify for COBRA) might not, but almost everybody does, now. And even the small companies usually go through some broker like Administaff, which means they mostly offer it, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 11:53 AM (8y9MW)

348
@AllenG,
Sorry I meant "bad" in terms of "confusion with regards to decision making."
Not that it matters anyway, any law capable of handling this would either need to be too vague to be useful or too strict to capture the myriad possible situations that arise even discounting the Gay issue (i.e. normal family problems absent any other relationship).

Posted by: tsrblke at May 09, 2012 11:53 AM (22rSN)

349 They won't stop until we're all sucking each others' cocks.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 09, 2012 11:53 AM (N/1Dm)

350
Follow the money... the gay rights lobby has been withholding their favors.

He's going to fire a torpedo into his own hull a la the Soviet hunter-killer sub Captain in The Hunt for Red October

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 09, 2012 11:53 AM (lce0m)

351 The City of Charlotte now pays benefits to
homosexual partners. How does the passage of Amendment One affect that?




Posted by: Carmelita at May 09, 2012 11:47 AM (Y/2U4)
I am anti-gay marriage, and who the City of Charlotte pays benefits to is their own Gd business.That having been said, I would be asking why they are paying benefits based on relationship status at all. Marriage is it's own fiscal benefit. Companies should be free to compensate as they wish, and I don't want them getting benefit bribes/subsidies from the government. But I REALLY want this crap out the tax codes.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:54 AM (oipCQ)

352 Hey, remember all those "Boycott Arizona" shouts?

Don't tie yourself in too many knots over this one, libs.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 09, 2012 11:54 AM (B+qrE)

353 what about the gay black jewish vote?

Sorry, Sammy Davis, Jr. is not available for comment.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2012 11:55 AM (JKmlz)

354 We dislike the cluster-F*-guy so much that we are easy meat for all of these kinds of smaller issues. We try to jump into every possible fight, as an emotionalresponse to the disgust that we feel for him and his crew, instead of just sticking to the big battles. If we can focus and win the big battles, then we can control all of these smaller issues, mostly. Instead we get a lot of churn. Churn is not productive and it is one of the lefts best friends.

Posted by: And Irresolute at May 09, 2012 11:56 AM (RC3M9)

355 what about the gay black jewish vote?

Sorry, Sammy Davis, Jr. is not available for comment.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2012 11:55 AM (JKmlz)
---------------------------------------------
Sammy Davis Jr was NOT gay.

Posted by: Altovise Gore at May 09, 2012 11:57 AM (jucos)

356 Here's a clue, ignoring the consequences of bad social policy doesn't preclude the consequences. It just makes you a democrat.

+1.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2012 11:58 AM (JKmlz)

357 Sammy Davis Jr was NOT gay.

Eh. Two outa three ain't bad.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 09, 2012 11:59 AM (JKmlz)

358
Now - prison sex jokes aside - I don't call a guy getting his rocks off in prison where there are no warm female bodies around "gay", per se.

Which raises that interesting question of what is "gay." Prior to the late Victorian era, i.e., about a hundred and thirty years ago, folks did not believe that there were two distinct types of behavior. Engaging in homosexual behavior meant thata personwas behaving in a particular way, not that they belonged to a different category of person one someone who behaved differently, any more than they viewed a man who visited prostitutes as a different from a man who remained faithful to his wife. Put another way, it was a matter of moral fiber and behavior, not something you were or weren't. An alcoholic isn't an alcoholic so long as he or she doesn't abuse alcohol, a thief isn't a thief unless he steals, and a homosexual wasn't a homosexual unless they engaged in same-sex activities.
The funny thing is while there seems to be widespread acceptance among scholars of Queer History that the idea that humanity is grouped into two dichotomous groups, gay and straight, owes more to Late Victorian nervousness about their own society than any logic and was only popular;y accepted post-WWII, they don't seem to grasp the implications.

Posted by: Grey Fox, returned to his native hearth among the hills at May 09, 2012 11:59 AM (ImssW)

359 Likely lines from the interview:

"If I had a son, he would look like one of the Village People."

Posted by: USA at May 09, 2012 11:59 AM (6Cjut)

360 Follow the money... the gay rights lobby has been withholding their favors.

They've been withholding their money, too, which is what really matters to Barky.

Posted by: Retread at May 09, 2012 11:59 AM (joSBv)

361 Money says his position has evolved to "present"

Posted by: blaster at May 09, 2012 12:00 PM (6QbWy)

362 Why stop here? I'd like to invite the cat into my marriage. The bastard sleeps on the bed half the time anyway, and I might be able to get 'free' veterinary care.

Posted by: Jinxthecat at May 09, 2012 12:02 PM (l3vZN)

363 Posted by: Grey Fox, returned to his native hearth among the hills at May 09, 2012 11:59 AM (ImssW)

I agree with the pre-late-Victorians. There is no such thing as "homosexual" behavior, just things you choose to do. There is procreative sex and non-procreative sex. That's the deal. If I choose to cram my wang into an electrical socket I am not a electrosexual.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 12:03 PM (oipCQ)

364 Likely lines from the interview:

"Why can't I just eat my waffle? And why can't he eat my waffle, too?"

Posted by: USA at May 09, 2012 12:03 PM (6Cjut)

365 If I choose to cram my wang into an electrical socket I am not a electrosexual.

Also not long for this world, I'm thinking.

Alternative comment: "Shocking behavior."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 12:04 PM (8y9MW)

366 Though, with modern technology, I'd use a compound-bow instead.>>

Since I'm guessing Bigfoot meat is not very tasty I'd go with the Apache Longbow and hellfire missiles.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 09, 2012 12:04 PM (tf9Ne)

367
Alternative comment: "Shocking behavior."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 12:04 PM (8y9MW)
Hold on a tick, I think there's a movie in this somewhere....

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 12:05 PM (oipCQ)

368 Since I'm guessing Bigfoot meat is not very tasty I'd go with the Apache Longbow and hellfire missiles.

How well does the Apache work in (not over) a forest? I'm thinking "not very."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 09, 2012 12:05 PM (8y9MW)

369 How many private employers provide health insurance benefits to "partners" of employees?

Here's the thing about such benefits...Why were they offered to begin with? They were offered as a "benefit" because society and employers understood that the traditional "partner" (wife) would not be working, or at least not full time, and therefore not have coverage, because she would be raising the employee's children. So, this "benefit" actually benefitted not just the couple, but society, which has a vested interest that children are cared for. Same-sex benefits, by contrast, benefit only the couple.

Same with gay marriage. Why is the state even involved with marriage? Because the state has a vested interest in promoting it: marriage means children (or, in the old days, wives and children)willl be cared for and taxpayers won't be on the hook.

Hetero marriage benefits the couple and society. Gay marriage benefits the couple. That's how I frame this debate, anyway.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 12:07 PM (9KqcB)

370 I am anti-gay marriage, and who the City of Charlotte pays benefits to is their own Gd business.Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 11:54 AM (oipCQ)

Hardly. If you were a taxpayer in Charlotte (pls read my caveat more closely), it is YOUR business.

That said, I agree with you that marriage benefits (initially designed as an inducement to a social constructed deemed beneficial to society as a whole) should not be a part of any laws. Meddling one way is too great a temptation to meddle another...


Posted by: Carmelita at May 09, 2012 12:07 PM (Y/2U4)

371 Robin Roberts: Mr. President, what is your stand on gay marriage?

Barry: Robin, let me be perfectly clear, you know what it is.

Roberts: Yes, but could you state it right now?

Barry: At this point, you know that I have been perfectly clear on this issue

Roberts: But what exactly is your position?

Barry: With regards to this issue I have made it perfectly clear where I stand on the issue.

Roberts: Well there you have it. President Obama has brilliantly stated his stand on this issue and this should clear up any doubts that anyone should have. Except for you racist haters

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 09, 2012 12:07 PM (1Jaio)

372 Hey! Cut Obammy some slack, jacks. He going thru some stuff. He wakes up in the morning, looks across the bed, and what does he see? ABW!!! Ai!!!!! No wonder the poor man is evolving. Give him just a little more time. His love with surely show.

Posted by: Cricket at May 09, 2012 12:07 PM (DrC22)

373 If I choose to cram my wang into an electrical socket I am not a electrosexual.Not for long, you're not.

Posted by: RC at May 09, 2012 12:09 PM (RuF8n)

374 I agree with the pre-late-Victorians. There is no such thing as "homosexual" behavior, just things you choose to do. There is procreative sex and non-procreative sex. That's the deal. If I choose to cram my wang into an electrical socket I am not a electrosexual.
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at May 09, 2012 12:03 PM (oipCQ)
The funny thing is that social conservatives have been saying this for decades. If "gayness" is just a social construct, as Queer Studies claim, why is it a crime against humanity not to buy into it?

Posted by: Grey Fox, returned to his native hearth among the hills at May 09, 2012 12:10 PM (ImssW)

375 But the American Voter will not let them starve. And by the time it really comes down to Impossibly High Taxes to Keep Parasites Alive vs. Shift Back to Individual Responsibility, it's too late. The parasites will be too great in number.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 11:45 AM (9KqcB)

When the cupboard is bare, the cupboard is bare.

I don't doubt that there is a substantial number of people who suck at life who form the core of the dependent class, but what proportion of the dependent class are dependent only because the morally hazardous incentives tug so hard at the economically rational animals inside of us all?

The raw numbers mean jack shit. The truly dependent will die off within weeks, and the people who can start shouldering their own load rather than being a worthless burden on the rest of us will adjust to the new normal fairly quickly.

Locusts can eat all your grain, but they cannot force you to grow more.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 09, 2012 12:11 PM (p7SSh)

376 This may motivate some of the gaze into going to the poles (yeh, the spelling is intentional). This will be offset by christian blacks that will stay home. Ditto for any semi-conservative dems.

Worst case (for the JEF): he loses about 5-12% of his current support.
Best case: No net pickup for the JEF.

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 09, 2012 12:11 PM (9s74/)

377 The picture on my Etch-A-Sketch just "evolved" after I shook it. Interesting.

Posted by: Roy at May 09, 2012 12:12 PM (VndSC)

378 Parasites don't do well when the hosts die. Europe will find this out sooner than the US.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 09, 2012 11:52 AM (jucos)

We shouldn't kid ourselves. The disintegration of Europe could go on for *decades.* I don't see a sudden epiphany there or here.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 12:12 PM (9KqcB)

379 With a convicted felon currently serving time - drawing more than 40% against a sitting president in a state primary, the Democratic internal polls for Obama must look horrendous.


Other than declaring martial law and canceling the election it is hard to see Teh Won as being more than a single term president. This Gay Marriage issue is going to cost him heavily in his otherwise rock solid black vote block - hard to see how that gets replaced.

Posted by: An Observation at May 09, 2012 12:15 PM (ylhEn)

380 Reggie Love is in the (white) House...

Posted by: Bob's Country Bunker at May 09, 2012 12:16 PM (Bxm/r)

381 Barack Obama is a st... st... st... stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure/tyrant/tin-pot-dicator/circus-fire

Posted by: phreshone at May 09, 2012 12:18 PM (Bxm/r)

382 The raw numbers mean jack shit. The truly dependent will die off within weeks,

Weeks?? It could take us decades just to grow into a European style cradle to grave society. You really think we're done growing? You think American voters have fundamentally changed? Hell no. We're in an awful economy and we STILL might not change presidents. Even if we do, the odds that Romney can/will make fundamental change, and voters will accept it, are not very good.

We still have a lot more taxing and borrowing to do before it collapses. It's just a matter how quick the rate of the spending increase will be: fast under a Democrat or slower under a Republican.

Posted by: CJ at May 09, 2012 12:18 PM (9KqcB)

383 I am so sick of hearing about same sex marriage. No one wants to compromise. Most married people are uncomfortable with the idea of a same sex union being called marriage and more uncomfortable with it being blessed in a church. Civil unions are a nice compromise. But gay folks are being stubborn, they are insisting on the marriage label and the church blessing. So therein lies the seeds of no compromise and probably the gays losing. And all this is really about is the gays wanting the straights to realize that they are just as serious and in love with their partner as the straights. This isn't so much a legal issue as a social issue. But there is no communication so it then becomes a legal issue. Things that in the past were resolved socially are now being resolved in the courts and with unexpected outcomes.

Posted by: . at May 09, 2012 12:22 PM (oZfic)

384 I think the issue of which particular Democratic constituency doesn't buyinto SSM could bemadean issuewithoutreferring to exactly which constituency it is, which would inevitably lead to racism charges being flung like monkey crap.
Ohio in 2004 passed an amendment banning SSM by 24 percentage points, in an election where Bush beat Kerry by 2 percentage points - a pattern that's been repeated over and over, up to and including last night. (And that doesn't account forOhioans like me, who in 2004 voted for Bush but against the amendment.)
It's *Democrats* who make SSM a losing electoral issue. Go ahead, Barack, tell 'em what you really think.

Posted by: RC at May 09, 2012 12:24 PM (RuF8n)

385 Yeah, the "generation gab" will do it .. NOT.

The idea that stupid kids retain their stupid ideas for their entire lives is ... drum roll please ... STUPID.

Posted by: Gerry at May 09, 2012 12:24 PM (qq41Z)

386 The Wailing of the Facebook Feed over this last night and today has been absolutely glorious. The "WELL! I'll never live THERE!" sentiment has been particularly enjoyable.

Posted by: Filly at May 09, 2012 12:32 PM (247Qj)

387 FFS - could the bashing of "socons" stop anytime soon? Do you honestly believe 60% of NC is socon? Been to NC lately? meh

I was for Cain and/or Santorum. I am now full time Romney and/or convicted felon over Obama and REALLY against abortion and not for redefining marriage so seriously, could the "socon" bashing stop?

Posted by: Nora at May 09, 2012 12:33 PM (VxqUc)

388 I think the level of 'homophobia" in the minority community is being drastically underestimated. The black folks that I know and work with are rabidly against any comparisons between their civil rights movement and the gays. To compare the two groups is a major insult, a risable offense. While, of course there are gay blacks, they are usually shunned. There is agroup of Black Israelites who preach outside of my office building every Friday. If they were white they would have been arrested for hate speech years ago...but they are particularly angry towards gays.
If Obama merely states his support for it but ultimately ignores it, he will lose little of theblack vote. If he makes it a campiagn issue, he will lose some more of the vote....and if he ever came out himself, as some ogf tehy commenters here imply, he would be disowned.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 09, 2012 12:36 PM (YmPwQ)

389 Even if we do, the odds that Romney can/will make fundamental change, and voters will accept it, are not very good.

Either the economy is unleashed and grows back to the point that we're healthy enough to keep feeding the parasites, or the bottom falls out. I do not have a preference between these two options.

Fundamental change is not on the table.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 09, 2012 12:38 PM (p7SSh)

390 "I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future"

I just pray that when it does eqaul treatment under the law will apply & that dykes & tops get taken to the cleaners like men do in divorce proceedings.
Somehow, the old saying, "Be careful of what you wish for" seems appropriate.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 09, 2012 12:40 PM (GFM2b)

391
I have, I think, an unusual view towards the gay marriage issue. I see it as kind of like somebody getting really pushy, and insisting on cutting in line - to board the Titanic. In other words, with the institution of marriage having a similar success to the so-called"War on Drugs", they're saying "Yeah, sign me up!"

But more fundamentally, I really just look at marriage as one more thing the government can only mess up by sticking it's nose into. Some might interperate that as being "anti-marriage", but it means I'm against things like civil marriage licenses, and the household categories on tax forms. Just treat us as individuals, and leave our relationships to us, dammit!

Posted by: Optimizer at May 09, 2012 12:43 PM (As94z)

392 Don't bet on it. Obama cannot afford to lose a single black or hispanic vote.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 09, 2012 12:47 PM (r4wIV)

393
"I have no doubt gay marriage will be legal across the US in the relatively near future as there's no doubt about the generation gab on the issue but it's not going to sway this election. "

I disagree.....and have a lot of doubt about it. .....These dire economic circumstances are making a lot of young conservatives out of previously liberal-leaning young people.

The Big Lie of Liberalism is disintegrating.

The right to marry someone already exists for everyone.......the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Any deviation from this creates "special rights".

Posted by: wheatie at May 09, 2012 01:09 PM (g4NO6)

394 ...

And all this is really about is the gays wanting the
straights to realize that they are just as serious and in love with
their partner as the straights.

...

Posted by: . at May 09, 2012 12:22 PM (oZfic)


That must explain why so many homosexual couples aren't monogamous. They love their partner so seriously they swap them regularly.


Wait, why am I replying to an oZfic?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 09, 2012 01:28 PM (v3pYe)

395 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 09, 2012 02:27 PM (7W3wI)

396 while you are discussing gay marriage and birth control and the alleged war on women, the economy is beckoning.

Posted by: . at May 09, 2012 03:16 PM (oZfic)

397 Obama, a bottom "under mounting pressure."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 09, 2012 07:05 PM (x+7gI)

398 “absolutely comfortable”

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 09, 2012 07:05 PM (x+7gI)

399 America, a gay Obama nation.

Soon.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 09, 2012 07:08 PM (+3sAp)

400 Things are sad when you believe your own lies.

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401 caterpillar filter, fleetguard filter, isuzu filter, komatsu filter,perkins filter , volvo filter, hitachi filter,john deere filter, deutz filter,parker filter , donaldson filter,jcb filter

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