President Gutsy Call: Okay With Giving Campaign Speeches in Afghanistan; Too Craven To Give Them In North Carolina

NC is voting on an anti-gay-marriage referendum today. As this causes some complications for the GCMOTUS (Gutsy Call Maker of the United States), he's chickening out.

President Barack Obama was scheduled, albeit briefly, to visit North Carolina on Election Day to make an speech in Asheville about the economy.
But the White House sent the notice Wednesday last week but reversed course about five hours later, saying the trip wasn’t taking place, according to a North Carolina congressional office notified about the trip. The false alarm isn’t unprecedented — but the fact the White House even considered visiting the state on primary election day is interesting.

This is a big old sticky wicket for Obama. The press corps is openly laughing at Jay Carney's absurd insistence that Obama is still "evolving," and doesn't know if he'll endorse gay marriage... after the election.

Hey, he needs some "space" on this issue. He'll have more flexibility after the elections, you know.

Ed Rendell says he should just "man up" and admit what's obvious to everyone.

This is some of that "corrosive cynicism" Bill Keller was just talking about, wasn't he? When people have a secret agenda but won't inform the public of it?

As Jake Tapper asked Jay Carney: If this is Obama's position, and it sure seems to be, then shouldn't the public know this so they can make an informed choice in the voting booth?

Is it "transparent, honest, accountable government" when the head of the Executive lies about his position and plans, keeping them secret from the public he asks to install him in the presidency for another four years?

Is that America?

Or is that more of a Pakistani thing?

The cynical semantic game here is that the President refuses to say what his belief is; Carney and his flacks keep saying the policy "is as it was," differentiating that from belief.

Shouldn't beliefs accord with policy, and vice versa? If his belief goes one way, doesn't that mean his policy will eventually shift to agree with it?

It's notable that Carney won't even say what Obama's "policy" is -- he offers the evasion "it is as it was," a formulation constructed specifically to consist of all vague pronouns. He doesn't even permit the words "Obama champions traditional marriage and rejects gay marriage" to pass his lips.

That's how hateful this "policy" is in the Obama White House -- they won't even speak it aloud. Preferring to just call it "it."

Posted by: Ace at 01:59 PM

Comments

1 That's more of a dog eating Kenyan thing.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:01 PM (CP+yl)

2 OH, and FIRST!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:01 PM (CP+yl)

3 The cynicism is pervasive - not just the President playing hide the ball or whatever, but gay groups playing along that yeah he says that but doesn't mean it. Why does Obama get a pass on being against gay marriage and Romney is a mean old homophobic guy (as an example).

Posted by: blaster at May 08, 2012 02:02 PM (7vSU0)

4 That's twice today.

Either AoSHQ is running slow or I've got too much time on my hands.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:02 PM (CP+yl)

5 This is a big old sticky wicket for Obama.

And Bambi is very familiar with sticky stuff.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 02:02 PM (RD7QR)

6 During the Democrat primary Obama actually ran against-

Hillary's plan for an individual mandate.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (r2PLg)

7 We have to elect him to find out what he thinks!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, doubles down on dumb at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (lZBBB)

8 It's not about the gay marriage thing, it's more about the fact that North Carolina has all the wrong breeds of dogs for the presidential palette...

...Dang it, Bitter Clinger!

Hey what do you call a pissed off Jamie Farr?

A bitter Klinger.

Thank you and good night.

Posted by: sgt. york at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (gw1Wl)

9 It's hide the salami with an imaginary salami.

After the election does it become apparent where the salami was hidden and who it hurts.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (CP+yl)

10 Then there is the military tribunals, GITMO...

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (r2PLg)

11 Come on LGBT folks.... you know I'll have more flexibility AFTER the Election...

Yes, we'll transmit that to our Gay Masters...

Posted by: Open Mike at May 08, 2012 02:04 PM (lZBBB)

12 Too soon for O/T

Legal Insurrection reporting Warren's ancestor was militia and rounded up Cherokee Indians and forced them onto "Trail of Tears."

Posted by: hey teacher at May 08, 2012 02:05 PM (5+Fw+)

13 Truthfully, I don't think Obama gives two shits about gay marriage. I think he cares about votes. That's why he pretends what he pretends.

Posted by: blaster at May 08, 2012 02:05 PM (7vSU0)

14 God... I mean Obama hates fags!!111!!!11

Posted by: Cher-noble at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (eavT+)

15 Why won't Obama just come out (no pun intended) on this??

It seems that blacks helped push Prop 8 over the edge in CA back in 2008. Is he afraid of that backlash from that part of his base if he just states his true beliefs?? Or is there more to it?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (pLTLS)

16 His position on this is....evolving. ....You know, survival of the fittest in the 'best pandering position'.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (g4NO6)

17 And then the Russians aren't sure about Obama's posture on missile defense...

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (r2PLg)

18 The gay marriage thing is the only issue getting any press. All of it anti-, of course. If it passes as expected, the Obama team has a big problem. All the free good publicity in the world didn't save the Prog cause. If it passes bigger than expected (I'd say 10-12% would be the cutoff), then he might as well ditch his NC strategy altogether. Convention in Charlotte complicates things, and could turn out to be an embarrassingly bad choice. When you can pick home field, why pick a neutral one?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (HethX)

19 Legal Insurrection reporting Warren's ancestor was militia and rounded up Cherokee Indians and forced them onto "Trail of Tears."

Posted by: hey teacher at May 08, 2012 02:05 PM (5+Fw+)

Yeah... but there was this one really Hat Squaw named Smoking Beaver and....

Posted by: Gret Grandpappy Warren at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (lZBBB)

20 Has Obama ever made any decision that was life altering? Or has it all been one easy slide from one "success" to another.

No pratfalls or errors in judgment?

Oh wait, you have to make a decision to be stuck with the consequences. Well then he's good to go.

That's why he spends so much time on the golf course. There the decisions are easy and forgiven.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:07 PM (CP+yl)

21 It seems that blacks helped push Prop 8 over the edge in CA back in 2008. Is he afraid of that backlash from that part of his base if he just states his true beliefs?? Or is there more to it?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (pLTLS)

***********

Add another group--Latinos.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:07 PM (r2PLg)

22 He's running from the issue so fast we'll hear him crack the sound barrier any minute now. But, just like Carl Lewis, he can run but he cannot hide from his true identity.

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:08 PM (piMMO)

23 North Carolina is where the Enemy resides. Afghanistan is home of like-minded, kindred folks. Peace-loving, don't you know? Not like those hayseed haters and violent types here.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 08, 2012 02:08 PM (71LDo)

24 He's a coward.

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 08, 2012 02:08 PM (i6RpT)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:08 PM (8y9MW)

26 13 Truthfully, I don't think Obama gives two shits about gay marriage. I think he cares about votes. That's why he pretends what he pretends.

Posted by: blaster at May 08, 2012 02:05 PM (7vSU0)

But the Emporer... he has such FABULOUS Clothes....

Posted by: LGBT Spokesperson at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (lZBBB)

27 Gentle reader,

While it is inconsiderate to accept a date and then cancel at the last minute, sometimes more important matters do arise which require one's personal attention. Staying home with the girls and making snickerpoodles trumps other more mundane activities. Sharing time, recipes and dogmeat with family creates memories (or dreams) which can, apparently, last a lifetime.

If it was because a tee time opened up, then, yes, it was gauche.

Posted by: Emily Postit Notes at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (gK7BY)

28 When you can pick home field, why pick a neutral one?
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (HethX)

**********

So you can swing it.

Same plan as Colorado last time.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (r2PLg)

29 Obama has never taken a tough stand on any issue.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (Sh42X)

30 Hey what do you call a pissed off Jamie Farr?

A bitter Klinger.

Thank you and good night.

****

LOL!

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (piMMO)

31 It's hide the salami with an imaginary salami.

After the election does it become apparent where the salami was hidden and who it hurts.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 08, 2012 02:03 PM (CP+yl)
--------------------------------------------------------
Oooooohhhhhh. Ah like this game.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at May 08, 2012 02:09 PM (jucos)

32 Seriously, since when is a "no-brainer" a gutsy call? Especially one that was 10 months late?

Posted by: Avi at May 08, 2012 02:11 PM (Gx3Fe)

33 Huge WTF? story on front page of today's LA Times. Starting right at the first paragraph: what kind of person goes to Cuba for business?

Also, the guy writing for the LA newspaper seems unaware that there are plenty of Persian restaurants in this town.

http://tinyurl.com/78htmh2

Posted by: epobirs at May 08, 2012 02:11 PM (kcfmt)

34 So his policy is what they thought it would be?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 02:12 PM (RD7QR)

35 1No, you don't understand . . . you see, he bravely ran away!

Posted by: Jeopardy Jackson at May 08, 2012 02:12 PM (2gSQm)

36 Tawriya ain't just a river in Mecca...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 08, 2012 02:12 PM (ebPtk)

37
But, just like Carl Lewis, he can run but he cannot hide from his true identity.
Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:08 PM (piMMO) It should be noted that Obama's a better singer than Carl Lewis.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 08, 2012 02:13 PM (J5tI6)

38 Paging Mr. Pink. Mr. Pink to the white courtesy phone.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:13 PM (pLTLS)

39 BHO is afraid the crowd will start chanting Pigford, Pigford, Pigford!

Posted by: KF at May 08, 2012 02:13 PM (cwJOJ)

40 ~~Courage~~ Lead from behind.

Posted by: Dan "Smoking Memo" Rather at May 08, 2012 02:13 PM (KwMW2)

41 says he should just "man up" and admit what's obvious to everyone.

To quote EoJ: "Well, the good news is I've diagnosed your problem..."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:14 PM (8y9MW)

42 It should be noted that Obama's a better singer than Carl Lewis.

*****

They would make a lovely couple.

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:14 PM (piMMO)

43 Ed Rendell says he should just "man up" and admit what's obvious to everyone

That Barry is a poofta?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2012 02:15 PM (1Jaio)

44 I get the theory, tasker, and I can see an adviser selling it effectively to some candidates in some years. But you should see the conventions the Libs have in Boston. It's wall-to-wall love and attention for weeks. I have a feeling that this Charlotte convention (already quietly shortened by an entire day) is going to be a tree falling in the forest compared to what he'd get in Chicago or LA.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2012 02:15 PM (HethX)

45 Obama has never taken a tough stand on any issue.

Health Care.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:15 PM (8y9MW)

46 Romney should get his ass down to NC pronto and give a speech where Obama was scheduled to.

But that's just me.

Posted by: Exile at May 08, 2012 02:16 PM (O0lVq)

47 Simpler....

The ONLY thing Obama has to talk about is taking credit for killin OBL... which will NOT play well in Dearbornistan...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2012 02:17 PM (lZBBB)

48 This is a big old sticky wicket for Obama

I'm guessing that Barry is very familiar dealing with sticky wickets

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2012 02:17 PM (1Jaio)

49 Ed Rendell says he should just "bend over and take it like a man"

FIFY

Posted by: Exile at May 08, 2012 02:17 PM (O0lVq)

50 44 I get the theory, tasker, and I can see an adviser selling it effectively to some candidates in some years. But you should see the conventions the Libs have in Boston. It's wall-to-wall love and attention for weeks. I have a feeling that this Charlotte convention (already quietly shortened by an entire day) is going to be a tree falling in the forest compared to what he'd get in Chicago or LA.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2012 02:15 PM (HethX)

**********

Oh man! Lincoln I hope you are right.

That would be awesome.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:18 PM (r2PLg)

51
Jay Carney's doing his impression of Emmet Fitz-Hume from Spies Like Us:

"Well, of course, their requests for subsidies was not Paraguayan in and of it is... as itWERE, the United States government would never have if the president,OUR president, had not and as far as I know that's the way it will always be. Is that clear?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2012 02:18 PM (X9FKq)

52 Jay Carney's doing his impression of Emmet Fitz-Hume from Spies Like Us:

"Well,
of course, their requests for subsidies was not Paraguayan in and of it
is... as itWERE, the United States government would never have if the
president,OUR president, had not and as far as I know that's the way it
will always be. Is that clear?

*****

Perfectly clear to me.

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (piMMO)

53 (already quietly shortened by an entire day)

*******

Ha! That is very, very interesting.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (r2PLg)

54 Completely unrelated, but Happy V-E Day. It should be more widely celebrated.

Posted by: Aaron at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (Tlix5)

55

Alternate headline: Obama Escapes With Tail Between His Legs

Posted by: Most dogs have more pride at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (HOOye)

56 Shouldn't beliefs accord with policy, and vice versa? If his belief goes one way, doesn't that mean his policy will eventually shift to agree with it?

That's why philosophy matters. What you believe will inform what you do.

If it passes bigger than expected (I'd say 10-12% would be the cutoff),

I'm guessing it will be over 10%. Hell, I'm going to pull the lever so hard for yes on the amendment that it will break. I do not give a crap about gay marriage, though I care deeply about anciallary issues such as the proper role of courts and religious freedom difficulties, but the ads for the anti-amendment side are so obnoxious I want to piss them off.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (VtjlW)

57 >>Health Care.

As I recall, Obama gave Congress a list of things the bill should do and let Pelosi and her minions work out the details.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 08, 2012 02:20 PM (Sh42X)

58 Never have so few gone so far with so little

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at May 08, 2012 02:20 PM (bo11P)

59 He's waiting until after the "election" (which he will steal with assistance of Soros and the Soviet-backed Secretaries of State who will report whatever numbers necessary) so that he may institute all "reforms" to the America He Hates. This will include the outlawing of all Christian denominations (except for the "tame" ones that are government-approved and -controlled) for their refusal to renounce their faith-based objections to this. It is when he can finally claim his "President for Life" title and dispose of that irritating Constitution.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 08, 2012 02:21 PM (YSyyZ)

60 As I recall, Obama gave Congress a list of things the bill should do and let Pelosi and her minions work out the details.

****

Delegation, because, you know, Congress is another word for "administrative assistant."

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:21 PM (piMMO)

61 #57

Obama didn't even do that. They had that mound of garbage ready to trot out years before Obama was even a candidate for national office. It had been through various draft ever since HillaryCare was defeated. It was after the 2006 elections that they decided it was time for the big push.

Posted by: epobirs at May 08, 2012 02:23 PM (kcfmt)

62 As I recall, Obama gave Congress a list of things the bill should do and let Pelosi and her minions work out the details.

Yes. But he stood for it in full-throat-ed defense, despite its unpopularity. It's "his" signature piece of legislation, remember?

Just because we don't like it doesn't mean he didn't make a stand. Of course, I hope to hoist him on that particular petard come November.

"What does it say about the President that the only thing he has ever fought for is an Unconstitutional, Un-American, piece of crap law that virtually no one wanted?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (8y9MW)

63 Obama's afraid he'd lose valuable African-American votes if he just clearly stated his position, it's that simple.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (9eDbm)

64
What's truly frustrating is that we have a real, genuine problem in the issue of marriage and it isn't about psychological validation. Marriage is put off beyond what nature can handle. That kind of marriage has a fundamental effect on society and whether we function as a people.

Instead, it's about some theoretical possibility of engaging in the institution some day when one is geriatric. We already have a problem with the idea that marriage is viewed as something engaged in by old people. This is not helping.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (J5tI6)

65 He can't go to North Carolina. He's still evolving.

Posted by: Cricket at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (DrC22)

66 12 Too soon for O/T

Legal Insurrection reporting Warren's ancestor was militia and rounded up Cherokee Indians and forced them onto "Trail of Tears."
Posted by: hey teacher at May 08, 2012 02:05 PM (5+Fw+)
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priceless!

Posted by: oh noes, another Baghdad Bob(ette)! at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (HOOye)

67 I am sure a lot of things are going to be "flexible" after the election. Especially those sleepovers with Reggie Love.

Posted by: Marie at May 08, 2012 02:25 PM (H50jQ)

68 45

Obama was ready to give up in the face of widespread opposition - somefrom his own party...It was San Fran Nan who drove the effort to get the bill passed come hell or high water. Remember her "over the gate" speech?

Posted by: kallisto at May 08, 2012 02:25 PM (jm/9g)

69 <<
It should be noted that Obama's a better singer than Carl Lewis.
*****
They would make a lovely couple.>>

"If I had a gay lover, he would look like Carl Lewis." - The Preezie

Posted by: sgt. york at May 08, 2012 02:25 PM (gw1Wl)

70 It's almost like no one cares what he really believes and just voted for him based on his skin color and the (D) after his name.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 08, 2012 02:25 PM (48IBh)

71 By the way- don't EVER put sticky wicket and gay marriage in the same article again.

Ever.

Posted by: Exile at May 08, 2012 02:25 PM (O0lVq)

72 Remember her "over the gate" speech?

No. Not really. But I do remember the SCOAMT on my TV every day (sometimes multiple times in a day) defending Health Care.

I'm not saying he did hard work on it: obviously all of the "heavy lifting" was done by Pelosi with an assist from Reid. But he did defend it, and he did take ownership of it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:26 PM (8y9MW)

73 If Obama's stance on gay marriage is REALLY evolving, there's no telling what it could become.

In fact, since evolution is a blind, undirected process, how do we even know that his opinions will evolve in a more liberal direction? Obama may decide to criminalize lesbian hand holding, or he may declare martial law in Massachusetts.

Can we even trust a president, like Obama, who has admitted (with the word "evolving") that the ideas in his mind are not under rational control? For all we know, if he wins reelection and steps up to take the oath of office, his head will open up like an egg and a salamander will slither out--and the mainstream media will shout, "Yea! Legs!"

Posted by: elj at May 08, 2012 02:26 PM (+QKfp)

74 "Senate Blocks Rate Freeze on Federal Student Loans; Political Messaging Emerges" http://tinyurl.com/7aawrgx

Posted by: . at May 08, 2012 02:26 PM (oZfic)

75 If Obama is a Muslim, then chances are he IS opposed to gay marriage. The problem is, the gay marriage advocates in his party, of which there are many, want their particular meat to pass through his lips. That he won't swallow it is very possibly the double distaste he has for admitting his religious preference as well as the policy consequences thereof.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2012 02:26 PM (TOk1P)

76 I hope Obama finally does come out after the election. I can't stand him but maybe he'd be happier and less inclined to con't to destroy America if he weren't married to her and finally living how he wanted to live.

Of course watching a whole lot of schools change their name from 'Barack Obama Elementary School' back to PS #161 would just be the cherry on top.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:28 PM (pLTLS)

77 President Present Vote

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 08, 2012 02:28 PM (OpijJ)

78 Looks like the Hot Dog Hand Job Hooker has joined us once again!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:29 PM (pLTLS)

79 'lighten up frances"...."Piven Uses Class Lecture to Lay Out Strategy to Illegally Occupy Foreclosed Homes, Default on Student Debt" http://tinyurl.com/c74ennj

Posted by: . at May 08, 2012 02:29 PM (oZfic)

80
Obama's afraid he'd lose valuable African-American votes if he just clearly stated his position, it's that simple.

*****

Wow, it's almost as if having no real conviction and no integrity has begun to catch up with him.

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:29 PM (piMMO)

81 Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2012 02:26 PM (TOk1P)

I don't think Obama is anything, but a worshiper of Obama.

Not really having been educated in America... I doubt he understands the messege of "Ozymandius"

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2012 02:30 PM (lZBBB)

82 Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:29 PM (pLTLS)

Nice tone you are setting on the blog. What did "lady in black" do to get such an attack from you?

Posted by: . at May 08, 2012 02:31 PM (oZfic)

83 I'm not saying he did hard work on it: obviously all of the "heavy
lifting" was done by Pelosi with an assist from Reid. But he did defend
it, and he did take ownership of it.

Only because it's a progressive wet dream that fits with what he really wants. He wants to go down in history as the guy that destroyed America. Remember how he used to pepper his speeches with the "small group of people that dropped an empire to its knees" (referring to the "past" and "Great Britain", wink wink)?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 08, 2012 02:31 PM (48IBh)

84 Wow, it's almost as if having no real conviction and no integrity has begun to catch up with him.

Posted by: Blaine Edwards and Antoine Merriweather at May 08, 2012 02:29 PM (piMMO)

What he has no.... wait... Look! OctoMom is doing Porno!

Posted by: MSM at May 08, 2012 02:31 PM (lZBBB)

85 Completely unrelated, but Happy V-E Day. It should be more widely celebrated.
Posted by: Aaron at May 08, 2012 02:19 PM (Tlix5)
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Venereal Education? I got mine in 2nd grade.

*up twinkles*

Posted by: Gen X Youngster at May 08, 2012 02:32 PM (jucos)

86
Yay! Happy new SQL server to me day!

So long, you slow piece of shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2012 02:33 PM (X9FKq)

87 #62

Unpopularity with who? Obama's base loved it. Their only complaint was not getting an immediate shift to single-payer.

Posted by: epobirs at May 08, 2012 02:33 PM (kcfmt)

88 63
Obama's afraid he'd lose valuable African-American votes if he just clearly stated his position, it's that simple.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (9eDbm)

But he's got the AA vote by close to 95%. Why not sacrifice a couple percentage points to line up gays?
65
He can't go to North Carolina. He's still evolving.

Posted by: Cricket at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (DrC22)

So he's holding out for legs?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 02:34 PM (RD7QR)

89 You know what would make this issue really clear up for Obama? If he came out and said, "The issue of gay marriage is one for the states to handle on an individual basis, and the federal government should not be involved."

Odds it'll ever happen? About the same as my odds of winning the Kentucky Derby despite being 32, bipedal, and human.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 08, 2012 02:34 PM (4df7R)

90 He can't go to North Carolina. He's still evolving.
Posted by: Cricket at May 08, 2012 02:24 PM (DrC22)
So he's holding out for legs?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at May 08, 2012 02:34 PM (RD7QR)

No, he's stil in the invertabrate stage... waiting to evolve a spine...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2012 02:35 PM (lZBBB)

91 Obama has never taken a tough stand on any issue.

Abortion. It seems to animate him to a creepy degree, what with his to-the-left-of-Pelosi vote on Born Alive and how he lights up any time he's talking to Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 08, 2012 02:35 PM (tqwMN)

92 How does ghey "marriage" sell in the black church? It is amazing sometimes how the libtards keep their disparate grievance groups all lined up and on the same page.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2012 02:35 PM (jucos)

93 He wants to vote PRESENT, but they want him to vote FABULOUS.

Posted by: Roy at May 08, 2012 02:36 PM (VndSC)

94 How does ghey "marriage" sell in the black church? It is amazing sometimes how the libtards keep their disparate grievance groups all lined up and on the same page.
Posted by: Truck Monkey

Instead of a big tent, they have a big plantation.

Posted by: Roy at May 08, 2012 02:37 PM (VndSC)

95 despite being 32, bipedal, and human.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 08, 2012 02:34 PM (4df7R)

Tell me more.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 08, 2012 02:39 PM (48IBh)

96 Unpopularity with who? Obama's base loved it. Their only complaint was not getting an immediate shift to single-payer.

Umm... the American People. As a rule. Didn't something like 66% disapprove, at one point?

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it was noble of him to stand for this issue: the opposite, in fact- it's disturbing that the only issue where he was willing to stand up against the opinion polls is something so bad.

But America hated it with a hot, hot hate. They (we) especially hated how the Democrats were subverting the process. And Obama stood there looking like the cat who got the canary, and stood firm.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 08, 2012 02:41 PM (8y9MW)

97 I betcha Obama could just kill Biden.. LMFAO

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 08, 2012 02:41 PM (f9c2L)

98 (oZfic) evolved once. Into a newt.

Posted by: Roger the Shrubber at May 08, 2012 02:44 PM (sylYH)

99 Anyone got a psychotic to sane translator handy?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:46 PM (pLTLS)

100 Beside screwing up the message, the timing, and the angle of this post-election fake promise to the gays, they're really knocking it out of the park this news cycle.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 08, 2012 02:47 PM (N/1Dm)

101 Yes, Mr. President, we'd like to hear exactly what you think about this social issue of gay marriage.

Before November, if you would.

Posted by: The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania at May 08, 2012 02:48 PM (mg08E)

102 Anyone got a psychotic to sane translator handy?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:46 PM (pLTLS)

I ran it through the one I have and it came back "WTF?".

Posted by: Tami at May 08, 2012 02:54 PM (X6akg)

103 #96

If a strong majority disapproved, they had a funny way of showing it. The 2010 elections should have been a slaughter but the shift wasn't especially dramatic. If people really cared all that much and in those numbers it isn't showing up in the booths. A lot of that is why they designed ObamaCare to take so long to have serious damaging effect. The short memory of the electorate.

Posted by: epobirs at May 08, 2012 03:02 PM (kcfmt)

104 8
It's not about the gay marriage thing, it's more about the fact that
North Carolina has all the wrong breeds of dogs for the presidential
palette...

True that the state dog, yes we have one, is a Plott Hound, whatever the fuck that is, it is too big to eat at one sitting.

http://tinyurl.com/4xyj5e3

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 08, 2012 03:05 PM (hXJOG)

105 If it passes bigger than expected (I'd say 10-12%
would be the cutoff), then he might as well ditch his NC strategy
altogether. Convention in Charlotte complicates things, and could turn
out to be an embarrassingly bad choice. When you can pick home field,
why pick a neutral one?

Posted by: at May 08, 2012 02:06 PM (HethX)

It will pass by 20%.. PPP poll, democrats, said 16.
20%!

NC is NOT going for Barry, trust me on this.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 08, 2012 03:08 PM (hXJOG)

106 President Cutsy Gall.

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2012 03:19 PM (NG097)

107 103

Obama faced disapproval of Obamacare within his own ranks: key Democrat votes were needed to pass the nightmare bill. He had to buy Landrieu's vote, and lied to so-called pro-life Dems in order to get them to vote for it, promised Kucinich a ride on AF1 to get him to switch. That's where Pelosi came in. Obama did not have Clue Number One on how to accomplish any of this. It was her plan, her process, and yes he took credit for it and spiked the ball.

I think the 2010 resultswere dramatic. Enough state legislatures went GOP in a critical redistricting year.

Posted by: kallisto at May 08, 2012 03:28 PM (jm/9g)

108 Obama is still "evolving"

Next stop: nematode!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 08, 2012 03:28 PM (HmCnI)

109

I think a good punishment for her would be to be locked in a room with a drunk Mel Gibson who has been told that she took script ideas from him.

Posted by: rev dr e buzz bunny at May 08, 2012 03:29 PM (tcSZb)

110 Asheville would be a bad place for Obama today. Asheville is to NC as Key West is to FL and San Fran is to CA. Huge gay community there. OTOH, the rest of NC will support the only amendment on the ballot, the marriage amendment by wide margins. I voted in NC-8 this morning, proudly voted for Robinson to kick Kissell out in Nov., and for the next republican governor, Pat McCrory. 2012 is not going to see a lot of blue in NC, conventions notwithstanding.

Posted by: Carmelita at May 08, 2012 03:30 PM (Y/2U4)

111
99 Anyone got a psychotic to sane translator handy?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2012 02:46 PM (pLTLS)

The stupid whore of a slut thinks you are insulting the commenter "Lady in Black" as opposed to its fat tuna wreaking self.

Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2012 03:33 PM (GULKT)

112 He likes his dog hot.

Posted by: torabora at May 08, 2012 03:35 PM (J7KJf)

113 Fats Eddy is wrong. His support for gay marriage will expose him as the Left ideologue he is. It will be a prism through which the "white, working class" voter will consider whether they want to give him another four.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 08, 2012 03:42 PM (mg08E)

114 I'm pretty sure this whole dilemma for Obama is Bush's fault.

Somehow.

Posted by: Fred at May 08, 2012 03:43 PM (xWGQr)

115 O.C. Smith aka Neoma O.C. (Smith) Crawford was the daughter of Wyatt Smith. There is YDNA results for Wyatt Smith's descendants, through his son brother of Neoma O.C. (Smith) Crawford. Chances are if her brother wasn't Cherokee, halo type C or Q, neither was she.

His halo type R1b1a2 -that's British Isle.

http://bit.ly/KD58Fo

Posted by: keyboard jockey at May 08, 2012 03:45 PM (NfEoH)

116 They maybe giving up on North Carolina.

Posted by: cvb at May 08, 2012 03:49 PM (HRFxR)

117 If Obama comes out for Gay Marriage, then Black Church leaders will turn away from him and he will lose much of the Black GOTV efforts that Black Churches provide. This will guarantee he loses badly in November.

It's time to apply massive pressure on Obama to make a Gutsy Call™. Two can play the divide and conquer game.

Posted by: OxyCon at May 08, 2012 04:10 PM (ur8o6)

118 The policy that dare not speak its name.

Posted by: vivi at May 08, 2012 05:25 PM (OTPxW)

119 When will Obama's position on gay marriage come out of the closet?

Posted by: vivi at May 08, 2012 05:28 PM (OTPxW)

120 Chickening out was a gutsy call.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2012 06:23 PM (BQF27)

121 Sorry, Gutsy Call TM.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2012 06:24 PM (BQF27)

122 War on Christians.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2012 06:24 PM (BQF27)

123 What's the difference between Jay Carney and a gay carny? One of them is a homosexual who works at the carnival, and the other is unemployed because of the Obama economy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2012 06:26 PM (BQF27)

124 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 08, 2012 06:33 PM (7W3wI)

125 I am gay and many of my friends are gay. They are, for the most part, liberals or lefties. I met them all when I was a lib too and they have remained good friends for 20+ years. I remember at least twice in the last few years more than one of them agreeing that Obama didn't impress them on the gay rights issues they care about (I don't talk politics with them as I am not a lib anymore).

Posted by: Baldy at May 08, 2012 09:46 PM (tqQ8d)

126 Isn't Asheville one of those fruity "artist" communities, too? I mean, it's not like he would've been taking on the enemy head-on. Quel wiener, as we fruity artist types like to say.

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