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It turns out "Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers", isn't a valid legal argument.

Former NFL star Junior Seau is dead. Seems like a suicide.

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:30 PM



Comments

1 I'd love to know how ownership was established...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 02, 2012 03:31 PM (GBXon)

2 Iowahawk:






#ObamaCompositeGirlfriendNames Isnotta Myfault

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 03:32 PM (UOM48)

3 Newt finally quits campaign.
In other news, Obama bites dog.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 03:32 PM (VndSC)

4 This is NOT a "finders keepers, losers weepers" argument. The idiot THREW THE TICKET IN THE TRASH. That is not "losing" it.

An Arkansas woman who cashed a $1 million lottery ticket
may have to give up the winnings to a woman who threw away the ticket
after she bought it, according to a judge's ruling Tuesday.
The judge decided that Sharon
Duncan was entitled to the prize money, not Sharon Jones, who claimed
the prize money after she took the ticket from a trash can of discarded
lottery tickets at a convenience store in Beebe, a city about 40 miles
northeast of Little Rock.


The judge should be thrown off the bench. He is an idiot who has no business making any important decisions that anyone else will have to adhere to.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 03:33 PM (X3lox)

5 Obama's composite girlfriend is supposed to include Elizabeth Warren's scalp.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 03:33 PM (VndSC)

6 Still no flaming skull with Ewok pudenda rampant?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 02, 2012 03:34 PM (mAm+G)

7
That dope Noot was actually holding out for a brokered convention.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:34 PM (jUytm)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:34 PM (8y9MW)

9 #ObamaCompositeGirlfriendNames - Connie L. Ected-Perez

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 03:34 PM (4df7R)

10 It turns out "Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers", isn't a valid legal argument.

Were I the suspicious sort, I'd check the judges bank account.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:35 PM (NG097)

11 Eta Pooch

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 02, 2012 03:35 PM (ebPtk)

12 It's easy to grin / When your ship comes in / And you've got the stock market beat. / But the man worthwhile, / Is the man who can smile, / When his shorts are too tight in the seat.

Posted by: Judge Smails at May 02, 2012 03:35 PM (136wp)

13 Oh. My. Lord.

Literally throwing away the ticket isn't "abandoning" it? Who appointed this idiot?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:36 PM (8y9MW)

14 Ima Wiener

Posted by: Judge Smails at May 02, 2012 03:36 PM (136wp)

15 Does this mean Marco Rubio's garbage can no longer be freely humped?

Posted by: Cicero at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (QKKT0)

16 Obcogina: what a sec... I love Obcogina!

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (TOk1P)

17 Can anyone recommend a good, not ridiculously expensive, air tool regulator/filter/oiler? I need to get one that will handle 90CFM.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (NG097)

18 13 Oh. My. Lord.

Literally throwing away the ticket isn't "abandoning" it? Who appointed this idiot?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:36 PM (8y9MW)

She threw it away after a scanner said it was not a winner. Methinks the judge is protecting the owner of the store.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (136wp)

19 >>>The judge should be thrown off the bench. He is an idiot who has no
business making any important decisions that anyone else will have to
adhere to.

Yeah, they call throwing something in the trash "abandoning your property" making it claimable by anyone. Cops use this little gem all the time to get DNA evidence to get a warrant to get DNA evidence. Unless their is a specific contract rider associated with the purchase of the lottery ticket. (e.g. the act of purchasing forms the commercial agreement which cannot legally be voided or transferred, read your ticket to be sure) in which case the ticket would still belong to whomever claimed it, however, the prize would still be owed to the original purchaser.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (0q2P7)

20 Obcogina: Ada Barb Cox

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

21 Holy cow!

WTF was that Newt?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (piMMO)

22 This Seau thing could be big. If he had brain wasting disease from too many hits to the head during his NFL career we may see a radically different type of football in the coming years.

Posted by: taylork at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (ppNDn)

23 Open Threads should be henceforth known as Composite Thread.

Posted by: just a suggestion at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (nSNM1)

24
Who's that country singer who has a rep for flaking out at his concerts?

George someone.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (jUytm)

25 When we lived in Chicagoland, we watched a vehicle stop on the street and a guy get out and begin going through a neighbor's paper trash.

We called the neighbor, who confronted (ran off) the guy and called the police. He was told that once the trash was out on the street for pickup, it was no longer "his" and anyone could take what they wanted from it.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (UOM48)

26 15 Does this mean Marco Rubio's garbage can no longer be freely humped?
Posted by: Cicero at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (QKKT0)

Once it's at the curb it belongs to the city, it's always been illegal to hump it. I checked...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 03:39 PM (136wp)

27 Ima Stutteringclusterfuckofamiserablefailure

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 02, 2012 03:39 PM (ebPtk)

28 Too bad about Junior Seau. I wonder if he had had multiple concussions as well.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 03:39 PM (RD7QR)

29 She threw it away after a scanner said it was not a winner.

Yeah, I saw that... but I don't buy it.
Or, rather, I don't buy it as a convincing argument for taking the money away from someone else. She threw it away. Literally- in the garbage- discarded it. Whatever the reason, she did it. That makes it trash, and the other woman should not have to give the money back.

If someone is liable, it would be either the store owner or the State (whoever is responsible for maintaining the ticket scanner).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:40 PM (8y9MW)

30 Usually hate the guy, but Shep Smith has been hilarious in covering the Gingrich speech

Posted by: The Q at May 02, 2012 03:40 PM (LnQhT)

31 Who's that country singer who has a rep for flaking out at his concerts?

George Strait did for a while, IIRC. He shaped up the last few years before he retired, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:41 PM (8y9MW)

32 Usually hate the guy, but Shep Smith has been hilarious in covering the Gingrich speech


****

Newt's delusional

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:41 PM (piMMO)

33 Give everyone 5 hundred thou and call it a day.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 03:42 PM (4yXmp)

34 Usually hate the guy, but Shep Smith has been hilarious in covering the Gingrich speech

****

"While Newt Gingrich was doing what New Gingrich does....."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:42 PM (piMMO)

35 #ObamaCompositeGirlfriendNames DaJuana Termer

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 02, 2012 03:42 PM (F+yQ+)

36
George Strait. Thank you.

yeah, Ace is George Strait.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:42 PM (jUytm)

37
George Strait did for a while, IIRC. He shaped up the last few years before he retired, though.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:41 PM (8y9MW)

When did George Strait retire?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (F+yQ+)

38 If someone is liable, it would be either the store
owner or the State (whoever is responsible for maintaining the ticket
scanner).


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:40 PM (8y9MW)


And even they aren't responsible, since it is the ticket buyer's responsibility to check whether it is a winner, not to have someone else check for them. The winning numbers are publicly posted. If the idiot went for the convenience of having someone else check her tickets and didn't bother to do her own due diligence, then she has no recourse.

But, in any event, as you say, the one who took the ticket out of the garbage is the rightful owner of it and deserves the money. Period. The judge should be caned.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (X3lox)

39
>>>We called the neighbor, who confronted (ran off) the guy and called
the police. He was told that once the trash was out on the street for
pickup, it was no longer "his" and anyone could take what they wanted
from it.

You see this is where we get into specifics. Obviously she abandoned the ticket. Which means ownership of that physical piece of paper can be transferred. However, the commercial agreement represented by that piece of paper might not transfer with the ownership of the paper itself. E.g the original agreement remains in force despite the ownership of one physical copy of contract being transferred to another person.

I have never heard that lottery tickets are "negotiable" meaning they can be bought and sold once purchased from a lottery ticket distributor.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (0q2P7)

40 Give everyone 5 hundred thou and call it a day.

Or you could just cut the plaintiff in half with a sword.

Posted by: Judge Solomon at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (QKKT0)

41 Give everyone 5 hundred thou and call it a day.

Not exactly an equitable arrangement, based on the facts as presented. There's also the probability that the ticket specifically says that the person holding the ticket will be paid- and if you lose the ticket, that's just too bad for you.

I know the lotto tickets in TX have a similar disclaimer. I'd be surprised if the one in question did not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (8y9MW)

42 How does anyone know that she bought the winning ticket?

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (NG097)

43 At least there's no link to the "tanning bed Mom". The woman with the face looks like a turd.

Gah! Can people stop linking that woman's picture?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (pLTLS)

44 The only reason I can see off the bat for awarding the cash to the original purchaser is to inhibit "I found it" thefts of lottery tickets (which would seem to be a relatively rare event, but possible).

One wonders if the lottery rules specify something about "purchaser or designee" and they didn't follow their own rules?

The lawyers are going to get the money, anyway.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (bxiXv)

45
George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (jUytm)

46 I dunno, outcome of that case could change. Looks like abandonment to me.

Posted by: jeanne...meh at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (GdalM)

47 Not George Strait. He's still doing concerts and putting out big singles.

George Jones?

Posted by: The Q at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (LnQhT)

48 Jean Poole-Draynor

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (TOk1P)

49 At the very least, you'd have thought the judge would split the prize but, even then, it would be bullshit because the woman literally walked away from the ticket.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (piMMO)

50 42 How does anyone know that she bought the winning ticket?

She actually claimed it was a compressed composite ticket. So, we're good.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 03:45 PM (VndSC)

51
Not George Strait. He's still doing concerts and putting out big singles.

****

George Strait is terrific in concert: No big fireworks shows or fancy choreography, just a man on a stage singing his heart out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:45 PM (piMMO)

52 I have never heard that lottery tickets are "negotiable" meaning they can be bought and sold once purchased from a lottery ticket distributor.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 03:43 PM (0q2P7)


Were I designing such a system, I would not make the instrument negotiable, just because that would seem to invite mischief (and liability).

Not sure whether these people *did* or not.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (bxiXv)

53 Sad news about Seau. Speculation, but that end along with his multiple retirements, it seems like he wasn't able to transition to a life after football.

Posted by: brak at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (nIoiW)

54 >>>But, in any event, as you say, the one who took the ticket out of the
garbage is the rightful owner of it and deserves the money. Period. The
judge should be caned.

Owning the physical ticket does not necessarily make you the party to the commercial agreement that ticket represents. You would need to read the TCs associated with playing that lottery to know for sure.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (0q2P7)

55 Junior Seau's mother is breaking my heart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (piMMO)

56 31 Who's that country singer who has a rep for flaking out at his concerts?

George Strait did for a while, IIRC. He shaped up the last few years before he retired, though.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:41 PM (8y9MW)

Want a great read - Satan Is Real: The Ballad of the Louvin Brothers by Charlie Louvin.

Warning on the language - it's rough.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (136wp)

57
What's the name of the chick with the long hair?

Posted by: Soothsayer sees if anyone gets this at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (jUytm)

58 What channel, NDH?

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (5H6zj)

59 BTW, the butthurt GOP bashing of the washington post that Hot Air took down is making the rounds on FB today. I guess anything to make the left feel good...

Posted by: joeindc44 says hide your dogs, SCOMDEF's in town at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (QxSug)

60 Chiasa Koch

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (F+yQ+)

61 Another troubling thing is the fact that the scanner didn't identify the ticket a winner.



Or did it, and the store owner was hoping to grab it afterward if the had a chance? Go after the store owner, possibly?



But still, why if she had no relationship with the store owner, should the garbage picker have to give up her "find"?

Moral of the story... sign your tickets!

Posted by: just a thought at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (nSNM1)

62 Let's see I wonder what my composite boyfriend would be like? Is it composite good, composite bad, or composite random. I don't want composite random---He could be a video gamer with a large, um, appetite and I'd have to get rid of him. Or he could be interesting and have a little appetite, iykwimaityd. So let's go with composite good. So. Conservative, a lot of stamina, able to shut-up, decent driver, clean, well educated, no mommy issues, likes big boobies. Oh, good income with retirement portfolio and a desire to retire to the beach. Loyal.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (4yXmp)

63 He was told that once the trash was out on the street for pickup, it was
no longer "his" and anyone could take what they wanted from it.

^^^

Correct. Most courts will say once it's out on the curb you no longer own it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (pLTLS)

64 Rapunzel ?

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:47 PM (NG097)

65 >>>He was told that once the trash was out on the street for pickup, it was no longer "his" and anyone could take what they wanted from it.
Ricky from Trailer Park Boys had that figured out long ago (Youtube linky...several NSFW words)

http://tinyurl.com/6lvwzl5

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 02, 2012 03:48 PM (BrQrN)

66
George Jones! That's it.

Right?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:48 PM (jUytm)

67 Good God, take her away from the microphones! The poor woman is breaking down on world-wide television!

Turn the fucking cameras off!!!!!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:48 PM (piMMO)

68 What's the name of the chick with the long hair?

That's my composite girlfriend.

Posted by: Barky O'Dogeater at May 02, 2012 03:48 PM (QKKT0)

69 57 What's the name of the chick with the long hair?

Posted by: Soothsayer sees if anyone gets this at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (jUytm)


Crystal Gale?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 03:48 PM (4df7R)

70 Sad news about Seau. Speculation, but that end along
with his multiple retirements, it seems like he wasn't able to
transition to a life after football.


Posted by: brak at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (nIoiW)


Anyone can get depressed, but I suspect a few bashes too many to the brain doesn't help that predisposition. Just a guess.

Posted by: tcn at May 02, 2012 03:49 PM (ZOUmX)

71 What channel, NDH?

****

FNC

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:49 PM (piMMO)

72
Rapunzel?

Rapunzel!

Hey, Rapunzle

Hey, Raputa!

Raputa the beauta!

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:49 PM (jUytm)

73 What's the name of the chick with the long hair?


Squatchy.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:49 PM (NG097)

74 When did George Strait retire?

Some years ago. He came out of retirement last year (year before?), but he'd been out of the Country Music scene for a while before that.

If the idiot went for the convenience of having someone else check her
tickets and didn't bother to do her own due diligence, then she has no
recourse.


I don't know about that, exactly. I know TX has those ticket scanners now, too, and they are specifically TX Lottery branded: certainly they portray themselves as "official," which would excuse anyone (in my book, at least) for taking their results at face value. It's not like she handed it to someone and said, "Here, check these for me."

E.g the original agreement remains in force despite the ownership of one
physical copy of contract being transferred to another person.


Again, in Texas, the holder of the ticket is presumed to have the rights to the ticket. If you hand your ticket to someone to hold for you while you tie your shoe, and they run off with it, they own that ticket and any winnings to which that ticket then entitles them. At least, according to the disclaimer on the back of the ticket.

So I can't imagine that it would be any different (if anything, the "holder's right" should be stronger) when the ticket had been thrown away.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:49 PM (8y9MW)

75 Oh, just read the comments. Yeah, what everyone else said.

Posted by: jeanne...meh at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (GdalM)

76 OMG. That was horrifying to watch.

Anyone who isn't crying after watching that has no heart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (piMMO)

77 FTA: White County judge Thomas Hughes, however, said Jones never met the burden of proof that Duncan abandoned her right to claim $1 million."The $1 million was never found money," Hughes said.

A. Bullshit ruling
B. Calling out the guy's color because he's obviously an idiot is typical Yahoo racism. Imagine if he was a black county judge.

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (cjTjM)

78 George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead.

Move over little dog.....

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (4yXmp)

79 I think Seau completed the process this time...didnt he jump his car off a cliff a few years ago?

Posted by: Red Shirt at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (FIDMq)

80 Media vultures getting in a Mother's face upon learning her son killed himself?

How fucking sick and parasitic are these people in the media-- who would watch that?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (pLTLS)

81 @andylevy Part 2 of Newt's speech will be tomorrow and will cover the period from the Reconstruction Era to the Panic of 1893.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (136wp)

82 You would need to read the TCs associated with playing that lottery to know for sure.>>

The lottery in my state tells you to sign the back of all your tickets which would tend to mean the piece of paper is a very important part of the transaction. That and I've never heard of anyone claiming after losing a ticket through some other proof of purchase.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (tf9Ne)

83 David Burge

@iowahawkblog




Yep, nothing says "cool" like a bike helmet, mom jeans, and a made-up girlfriend. #JamesDeanWept

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (UOM48)

84 George is not dead.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (5H6zj)

85 The Arkansas lottery rules are online, but it's a bunch of PDFs. Not searchable. Meh, not worth it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (bxiXv)

86 Owning the physical ticket does not necessarily make
you the party to the commercial agreement that ticket represents. You
would need to read the TCs associated with playing that lottery to know
for sure.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 03:46 PM (0q2P7)


Lottery tickets are sold anonymously. It would be impossible to have some TCs on anonymous sales regarding permanent ownership. If one wanted to put some permanence in the ownership of a lottery ticket, then the sale cannot be anonymous.

I know ... I'm using simple, direct logic when our courts use empathy, but for a sane society what I said must be true. Not in America, Fundamentally Deformed, of course, but a sane nation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 03:52 PM (X3lox)

87 Sad news about Seau. I love to watch football, but I suspect my kids will think of it like I think of boxing: boring, brutal and old fashioned.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at May 02, 2012 03:52 PM (gWLRb)

88 Anyone who isn't crying after watching that has no heart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (piMMO)

We're conservatives around here; of course we have no heart.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2012 03:52 PM (nEUpB)

89 What's the name of the chick with the long hair?

Squatchy.


Why did I laugh?

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2012 03:52 PM (Pi5Sz)

90 Braaaiiiinnnnzzzzz

Posted by: zombie george harrison at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (NG097)

91 George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead.

I know. Everbody funny. Now you funny, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (X3lox)

92 Obama's composite girlfriend looks suspiciously like a man's hairy ass...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (f9c2L)

93 How fucking sick and parasitic are these people in the media

Soulless vipers. Beyond what we probably ever imagined. In other words, libs.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (F+yQ+)

94 So. Conservative, a lot of stamina, able to shut-up, decent driver,
clean, well educated, no mommy issues, likes big boobies. Oh, good
income with retirement portfolio and a desire to retire to the beach.
Loyal.


Hi. How are you doing. My name is Alex.

Posted by: Alex at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (zSobX)

95 The Muslim Call to Cornholing is one of the most beautiful things I ever heard.

Posted by: Barky O'baby, yeah, right there baby at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (yn6XZ)

96 Media vultures getting in a Mother's face upon learning her son killed himself?

How fucking sick and parasitic are these people in the media-- who would watch that?

****

It seemed as if she wanted to speak to the fans and started out okay and then it's as if his death sank in while on camera. Truly horrifying, and I'm sure the vultures will air it over and over again.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (piMMO)

97 How fucking sick and parasitic are these people in the media-- who would watch that?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 02, 2012 03:51 PM (pLTLS



The same sick parasites who were furious Boooosh wouldn't allow them to see the flag-draped coffins come home. The same ones who are silent now that they're coming home under Commander Clusterfuck.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (UOM48)

98 I think Seau completed the process this time...didnt he jump his car off a cliff a few years ago?


Posted by: Red Shirt at May 02, 2012 03:50 PM (FIDMq)


Yeah...they've been talking about that incident on ESPN.

Posted by: Tami at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (X6akg)

99 This Seau thing could be big. If he had brain wasting disease from too many hits to the head during his NFL career we may see a radically different type of football in the coming years.
Posted by: taylork at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (ppNDn)

--------------------------------------------

Thousands of people commit suicide every year. The reasons are numerous. Just because he played football doesn't mean it's football related. What about the overwhelming percentage of retired football players who don't commit suicide? The association with the game is stupid as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (CRVT6)

100 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 02, 2012 03:53 PM (f9c2L)

No way. We've seen him try to pitch.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (8y9MW)

101 @45
George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead. George Thoroughgood is neither.
His tour begins 5/17/12 in Victoria, BC.

Posted by: boniface ballers at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (bPbwB)

102 What's the name of the chick with the long hair?

Yo mamma!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (ebPtk)

103 George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead.


Not retired, just tired. After looking for a job.

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (GQ8sn)

104 George is not dead.

My records tell me otherwise.

Posted by: Alex at May 02, 2012 03:54 PM (zSobX)

105 From the never-ending line of MSM Obama's Ass Protecting League, another "false" report was apparently true. Then buried on page 41.

Stephanopoulos Agrees 92% Women Job Losses Statistic 'Accurate' After ABC's World News Called It 'Mostly False'
On Sunday's This Week, George Stephanopoulos stumbled into the truth
when he told Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner that Mitt Romney's
statistic, about how 92.3 percent of all job losses since President
Obama took office have occurred to women, "is accurate."

http://tinyurl.com/83hj9lp

Posted by: Exile at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (O0lVq)

106 96 Can't even think about watching that, Mom losing a son has to be the worst thing ever.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (4yXmp)

107 How does woman A (original owner of ticket) know Woman B got her ticket? Did she see her pick it out of the trash?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (f9c2L)

108 can i just say how much i hatyall. I come to a thread late, think Wow that will be fun add a few names and all of you left without telling me!

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (TomZ9)

109 The Walrus was Paul.

Posted by: zombie george harrison at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (NG097)

110
Nothing like a cool smiley face to detract all the gravity from a serious comment.

Thanks, pixy.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:55 PM (jUytm)

111 http://www.georgethorogood.com/

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 03:56 PM (5H6zj)

112 Who run bloggertown?

Posted by: not really pixy at May 02, 2012 03:56 PM (NG097)

113 This Seau thing could be big. If he had brain wasting disease from too many hits to the head during his NFL career we may see a radically different type of football in the coming years. Posted by: taylork

You'd think boxers would have a big issue with this. Note, we need to rule out Mike Tyson's career suicide in this case.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 03:56 PM (VndSC)

114 sympathies to the family.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (TomZ9)

115
George Thoroughgood is still alive?

I must be thinking of Stevie Ray Von.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (jUytm)

116 George Strait never retired. He puts out a new album practically every year, and still tours.

Posted by: brak at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (nIoiW)

117 George Thoroughbred will run on Saturday

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (cjTjM)

118 99 -

Some years ago (while Bush was still President), the NY Times did a series about Iraqi/Afghanistan war vets coming home and killing themselves. The stats were really not so out of the ordinary, but you put faces and names on them, including young wives and children, suddenly it's an epidemic, and now virtually all veterans returning from these theaters are treated like ticking time bombs.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (TOk1P)

119 I must be thinking of Stevie Ray Von.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (jUytm)

Von?!?!?!

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (GQ8sn)

120 His tour begins 5/17/12 in Victoria, BC.>>

Well since his tour starts in BC I think we can conclude that his career is dead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (tf9Ne)

121 Boxers? Like Muhammed Ali?

Posted by: Matt in Maine at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (gWLRb)

122
Vonne?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (jUytm)

123 Actually finders keeper losers weepers is the law with the catch that the item must be abandoned. There's usually some type of statute on the books that establishes what constitutes abandonment.That's what this fight is about, was throwing it in the trash evidence of abandonment.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (VtjlW)

124 I know in Maryland (and many other States), lottery tickets are bearer instruments, meaning possession really is 90% of the law. Short of stealing the ticket out of the first owner's possession, the person with actual ownership has ownership of the ticket. Done. Either Arkansas law is very different, or this judge needs to study up on his negotiable instruments.

Posted by: shillelagh at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (hRzu2)

125 107
How does woman A (original owner of ticket) know Woman B got her ticket? Did she see her pick it out of the trash?


Ever spend any time in Arkansas? My guess would be that she threw it out and the next woman picked it up. There were some people there who saw it and immediately started talking about (whoever) getting it out of the trash. Blah blah blah. Everybody is everybody's "kin" so well.................nevermind, it's a hive.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (4yXmp)

126 Vaughn

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 03:59 PM (VndSC)

127 There there, willow. You can add them here! It's fun, but I'm discovering it's very mentally taxing. I apparently don't know enough women's names, which is hilarious since I am one.

#ObamasCompositeGirlfriendNames - Melanie Ting-Shraycist

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 03:59 PM (4df7R)

128 That's what this fight is about, was throwing it in the trash evidence of abandonment.

Okay, but if throwing something in the trash isn't "abandonment," what is?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 03:59 PM (8y9MW)

129 The Walrus was Paul.

Paul died in a tragic dental mishap in 1967 and was replaced with a Grey in a rubber suit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2012 03:59 PM (Pi5Sz)

130 Wiki is our friend.

Definitely George Jones

Posted by: The Q at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (LnQhT)

131 What is that saying? Possession is 99 and 99/100% of the law?

Posted by: NIPPP at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (0oYHO)

132 45 George Thoroughgood is retired. And I think dead.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:44 PM (jUytm)
*
I never drank sooo much than at GT concert. Was never a big fan but when me and my buddies heard he was playin and that the drinkin and drunk chicks were epic at his concerts...we had to go.
***
Thats all I remember.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (eavT+)

133 The NFL has been trying to cut down on head injuries. That's why that pay to maim scandal was such a big deal other than just being dirty and douchebaggy.

Posted by: dagny at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (4yXmp)

134 113 This Seau thing could be big. If he had brain wasting disease from too many hits to the head during his NFL career we may see a radically different type of football in the coming years. Posted by: taylork
----
I hadn't realized that former Bear Dave Duerson had shot himself in the chest and specifically instructed that his brain be examined for evidence of the traumatic brain injury -- which they did find. So the thought is that Seau did the same thing.

Duerson's family is suing the NFL over his suicide.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (5H6zj)

135 People commit suicide all the time. It's often difficult to understand the why of it. Clearly, they're not thinking straight. That doesn't mean they got hit in the head, though- and going there first is pathetic. Can you blame a reporter for chasing the sensational, when you go there first yourself?

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 02, 2012 04:00 PM (yn6XZ)

136
George Jones, then.

He comes out on stage, sings half a song, then walks out.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (jUytm)

137 Cavuto: "This notion that people are finding work: What a piece of work."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (piMMO)

138 Thats all I remember.

And you've been trying to explain the tattoo ever since, right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (8y9MW)

139 Posted by: brak at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (nIoiW)

That's because nobody told him about all the wear and tear on an old honkytonker's heart.

He might have known it, though.

Posted by: vermin at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (2csLb)

140 Obcogina: Eilene Marxway

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (TOk1P)

141 That's what this fight is about, was throwing it in the trash evidence of abandonment.

It was above the rim!

Posted by: George Costanza at May 02, 2012 04:01 PM (EkDbn)

142 I must be thinking of Stevie Ray Von.


Ah, the famed Prussian blues guitarist.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2012 04:02 PM (Pi5Sz)

143 Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a helicopter crash after a concert here in the Chicago area about 20 years ago.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 02, 2012 04:02 PM (f9c2L)

144 I wonder how many people with FORWARD bumper stickers are going to be sued when they back into people? Call me.

Posted by: John Edwards at May 02, 2012 04:02 PM (wAQA5)

145 The NFL has been trying to cut down on head injuries. That's why that
pay to maim scandal was such a big deal other than just being dirty and
douchebaggy.


******

There is a study to evaluate the brains of NFL players after their death and a good number of players have donated their bodies to the study. Seau shot himself in the chest which would preserve his brain. I wonder if he is on the donor list.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 04:02 PM (piMMO)

146 135 People commit suicide all the time. It's often difficult to understand the why of it. Clearly, they're not thinking straight. That doesn't mean they got hit in the head, though- and going there first is pathetic.
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There's a pattern now established by Duerson. And Junior apparently was experiencing symptoms as well.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:02 PM (5H6zj)

147 >>>It would be impossible to have some TCs on anonymous sales regarding permanent ownership.

TC's are applied to anonymous sales all the time. I am in fact positive every lottery has TC's associated with each ticket,

#1 Your numbers must match in order to win.
#2 You must claim your prize within X days

to name a couple of very common ones.

To say once purchased, a lottery ticket is non-negotiable is pretty easy.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (0q2P7)

148 Look what Junior Seau is putting his mother through. He can't. Coward.

Posted by: S Daniel at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (BVkEs)

149 Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a helicopter crash after a concert here in the Chicago area about 20 years ago.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Alpine Valley, WI. in the fog. I remember it well.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (VndSC)

150 Okay, I'm getting a little concerned about the Ewok. Can someone make sure he's not face down in a puddle of Valurite and... other things?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (8y9MW)

151 #ObamasCompositeGirlfriendNames - Anita Beard

Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (NYnoe)

152 Sad news about Seau. I love to watch football, but I suspect my kids
will think of it like I think of boxing: boring, brutal and old
fashioned.


I 'spect football's about to go through a transition in the same way hockey's going through one right now. Once the owners know the level of damage their employment requires, they become responsible for that damage -- and I'm not sure they're going to want to pay for that.

Especially since brain damage is not anything anyone signed up for. (Knee damage, back damage, sure. Brain damage is new, though.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (bjRNS)

153 I was being purposely provacative. I didn't mean to equate the two; harassing a mother is clearly evil.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 02, 2012 04:04 PM (yn6XZ)

154 @ 133 The NFL has been trying to cut down on head injuries. That's why that pay to maim scandal was such a big deal

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It pisses me off no end to have the players union jump to going to the mat for the four guys who got penalized given how seriously they could have injured OTHER players. I mean, WTF?

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:05 PM (5H6zj)

155 I hear Sandra Fluke has a compressed composite boyfriend.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 04:05 PM (VndSC)

156 It was above the rim!

It was within the cylinder. Face it, George. You ate garbage.

Posted by: jerry seinfeld at May 02, 2012 04:05 PM (NG097)

157 "Finders keepers" is not a valid legal doctrine unless accompanied by the phrase,
"no backsies."
Hungadunga vs. Sweetcheeks, 234 U.S. 501 (1914)

Posted by: real joe at May 02, 2012 04:05 PM (lgANn)

158 155 I hear Sandra Fluke has a compressed composite boyfriend.
Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 04:05 PM (VndSC)

Yep, name is Mat Fold

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:06 PM (136wp)

159 148 Look what Junior Seau is putting his mother through. He can't. Coward.
----
I think it's best to leave the judging to the Lord.

If he was sick, which it sounds like he was, then I'm not sure how responsible he was for his actions.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:06 PM (5H6zj)

160 Oh, I agree that throwing it in trash is pretty much the sine non qua of abandonment. It does look like there's something else in play here that's not obvious from the story.

There's also the probability that the ticket specifically says that the person holding the ticket will be paid- and if you lose the ticket, that's just too bad for you.

Yup, as far as I know lottery tickets are bearer instruments. Whoever has it collects the winnings.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 02, 2012 04:06 PM (VtjlW)

161 I've become more and more Meh about football inversely proportional to the size and speed of the players (as well as the number of talking heads discussing it on TV and on radio!). Maybe that's a good thing, as they seem to be killing each other right in front of our eyes. "Steroids" are the most likely culprit that we can do something about. Improved training and nutrition can only get you so far. They've leaped waaaaaay beyond that through artificial means.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 02, 2012 04:07 PM (71LDo)

162 Some years ago (while Bush was still President), the NY Times did a series about Iraqi/Afghanistan war vets coming home and killing themselves. The stats were really not so out of the ordinary, but you put faces and names on them, including young wives and children, suddenly it's an epidemic, and now virtually all veterans returning from these theaters are treated like ticking time bombs.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 03:57 PM (TOk1P)

----------------------------------------

Same thing happened to many of us coming back from Vietnam.In some areas of the US,good jobs were hard to find because people bought into the emerging leftist rant that all of us were crazed baby-killers.

It's the same thing all over again with the ME vets. It's all leftist shitspeak.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:07 PM (CRVT6)

163 The Ewok was sited boarding a plane for Riyadh, with aDoctor Questdufflebag carry-on.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 02, 2012 04:08 PM (yn6XZ)

164 Well, if Junior's suicide can help hasten the death of modern football, he will have done a good thing. It's an increasingly grotesque game, more resembling ancient Roman gladiator fights than actual sport. And I'm saying this as a fan.

Men are not supposed to weigh 300 pounds, and if they do, they should not be on a field hurling themselves into other smaller men and maiming them. And we should not be enjoying watching that. Ever.

Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2012 04:08 PM (NYnoe)

165

"possession" being nine-tenths of the law refers to legal possession (title), not physical possession.

The legal right to ownership is not defeated simply by someone else holding your goods.

Or, maybe it is, depending on the agreement before the goods-holding took place.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2012 04:08 PM (UaxA0)

166 159 148 Look what Junior Seau is putting his mother through. He can't. Coward.
----
I think it's best to leave the judging to the Lord.

If he was sick, which it sounds like he was, then I'm not sure how responsible he was for his actions.
Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:06 PM (5H6zj)

Blessed are those who mourn... she will be comforted.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:09 PM (136wp)

167 It was within the cylinder. Face it, George. You ate garbage.

It was still on the doily!

Posted by: George Costanza at May 02, 2012 04:09 PM (EkDbn)

168
To which Soothsayer responds: Bring on the 20-game season!

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:09 PM (jUytm)

169 159 -

Agreed, but it always seems like an act of hostility when someone leaves a horrible scene for someone they supposedly loved to find. I'm sure the person is not thinking of too many other things, but itstrikes me as an "I'll show you" kind of thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:09 PM (TOk1P)

170 17 Can anyone recommend a good, not ridiculously expensive, air tool regulator/filter/oiler? I need to get one that will handle 90CFM.

SpeedAir makes a good one. Check at granger dot com........

Posted by: Racefan at May 02, 2012 04:10 PM (to0Mt)

171 We aren't going to take it any more!

Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at May 02, 2012 04:10 PM (cgxNI)

172 It {vexes me} to have the players union jump to going to the
mat for the four guys who got penalized given how seriously they could
have injured OTHER players.


Two possibilities:

(1) the union defends players accused of anything, no matter how soulless; or
(2) the union knows how wide-spread this kind of stuff is, and doesn't want it applied to the players.

I'm hoping it's #1.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:10 PM (bjRNS)

173 Men are not supposed to weigh 300 pounds, and if they do, they should
not be on a field hurling themselves into other smaller men and maiming
them.


Give the smaller guys nets and tridents. That's entertainment!

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:10 PM (NG097)

174 #1 Your numbers must match in order to win.
#2 You must claim your prize within X days

to name a couple of very common ones.

To say once purchased, a lottery ticket is non-negotiable is pretty easy.




Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 04:03 PM (0q2P7)


I meant with respect to ownership. And it would be ridiculous to try to make an anonymous sale non-transferable. That would be the sort of law that is an unenforceable farce and weakens the whole legal structure.

If a transaction is so important that its underlying cannot be transferred, then one would imagine the transaction would have to be recorded, somehow, in a reasonable way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (X3lox)

175
I, for one, think the NFL needs to make a damn decision:

No helmets OR bigass Spaceballs helmets. Pick one.

Posted by: Jaws at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (4I3Uo)

176 A mentally ill person is not responsible for their suicide, and depression is a mental illness. A person of sound mind who commits suicide might be undertaking an act of cowardice, but a person who is depressed or in dementia (as my mom was when she killed herself) can't be held responsible. I believe even the Catholic church accepts that position.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

177 sine non qua

Sorry, I don't speak law school (or, for that matter, Latin). Roughly translates as "If not this, nothing?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (8y9MW)

178 I stabbed a guy once with a trident.

Posted by: Brick Tamland at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (nSNM1)

179 Yeah, I'm kinda with rockmom on the NFL. I love football but it's crazy what these men put themselves through to play. I was recently watching a blurb on the NFL network that followed Maurice Jones-Drew through a week of training and it was eye-opening.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (qFpRI)

180 B. Calling out the guy's color because he's obviously an idiot is typical Yahoo racism. Imagine if he was a black county judge.

Searcy is in White County, Arkansas. So he's a judge for White County.

Homework. Do it next time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (GBXon)

181 There is little doubt that Barky's composite girlfriend had a dick.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 02, 2012 04:13 PM (YYyqq)

182 SpeedAir makes a good one.

Thanks.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:13 PM (NG097)

183 162 Some years ago (while Bush was still President), the NY Times did a series about Iraqi/Afghanistan war vets coming home and killing themselves.

My dad was a psychiatric nurse during Korea, stationed on the West Coast, where they treated our men coming back traumatized. Of course back then they called it "combat fatigue," not PTSD, and they really didn't understand the severity of what these men were going through. Anyway, dad is in his 80s now and has recently discovered the Internet (egads!) so he's been reading about the work being down at that hospital now (in WA state, I believe) and about PTSD. He recognized so much of what he saw then as being PTSD. First time he's really talked with me about it. That must be very difficult work.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:13 PM (5H6zj)

184 @AlieNicole7
Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Ladenís Body. "Iíve located where they threw him away. Iím the only one with this information. Heís 200 miles to the west of the Indian city of Surat."

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:13 PM (136wp)

185 And while I'm thanking people, thanks again to lurker midaz and regular irongrampa for helping me fix my F150 over the weekend.

You morons are the best.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:14 PM (NG097)

186 162 -

You have my gratitude. As a combat-trained veteran who never actually saw combat, I salute you. Every November 11, I point out the difference to anyone who will listen. I served. You put your life on the line. There is a difference.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (TOk1P)

187 A mentally ill person is not responsible for their suicide, and depression is a mental illness. A person of sound mind who commits suicide might be undertaking an act of cowardice, but a person who is depressed or in dementia (as my mom was when she killed herself) can't be held responsible. I believe even the Catholic church accepts that position.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

---------------------------------------------

Horseshit!

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (CRVT6)

188 176
A mentally ill person is not responsible for their suicide, and
depression is a mental illness. A person of sound mind who commits
suicide might be undertaking an act of cowardice, but a person who is
depressed or in dementia (as my mom was when she killed herself) can't
be held responsible. I believe even the Catholic church accepts that
position.


I think you're absolutely right. I'd like to see Seau's last interviews.

Posted by: S Daniel at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (BVkEs)

189 Sharon Theostuff
Karen Foryoots

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (TomZ9)

190 178 I stabbed a guy once with a trident.
Posted by: Brick Tamland at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (nSNM1)

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die

Posted by: The Man in Black at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (136wp)

191 George Strait is terrific in concert: No big fireworks shows or fancy choreography, just a man on a stage singing his heart out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 03:45 PM (piMMO)

---------

He's still getting pelted with women's panties, too. .....From granny panties to thongs.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (cB+Hn)

192 17 Can anyone recommend a good, not ridiculously expensive, air tool regulator/filter/oiler? I need to get one that will handle 90CFM.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 03:37 PM (NG097)

Try the TEKTON 4592. About $55 at dealnay.com.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (ZDsRL)

193 Candy Orelse

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (TomZ9)

194 176 A mentally ill person is not responsible for their suicide, and depression is a mental illness. A person of sound mind who commits suicide might be undertaking an act of cowardice, but a person who is depressed or in dementia (as my mom was when she killed herself) can't be held responsible. I believe even the Catholic church accepts that position.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:11 PM (RD7QR)


To the best of my knowledge, the Church does take this position. It's basically assumed that the person committing suicide was likely in a disordered mental state and is therefore not entirely culpable (if at all) for his or her actions. Judgement is obviously left to God and we pray for his mercy.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (qFpRI)

195 I must say I gave up on Pro Basketball quicker than Football. The day Latrell Sprewell said "How am I supposed to raise my 2 families on $12Million/year?" I hung it up. Haven't watched it since. Pau Gasol has nothing on Nate Thurmond and Willis Reed, let alone Wilt and Kareem. Fundamentally, it's no contest.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (71LDo)

196 Yeah, I'm kinda with rockmom on the NFL. I love football but it's crazy
what these men put themselves through to play. I was recently watching a
blurb on the NFL network that followed Maurice Jones-Drew through a
week of training and it was eye-opening.


****

MJD, helluva work ethic. And, it kills me that NBA players have guaranteed contracts yet NFL players can be destroyed and put out on the street.

I LOVE football, always have, and I love to see a hard-hitting line, but those who say "no big deal" about the bounty system make me want to punch something. It's the equivalent of unleashing a pitbull on the field.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (piMMO)

197 No helmets OR ... Spaceballs helmets. Pick one.

I'd settle for rugby helmets. They only really wear them to keep their ears from being torn off.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (bjRNS)

198 122 Vonne?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 03:58 PM (jUytm)
The sky is crying....

Posted by: the Butcher at May 02, 2012 04:17 PM (8g9qq)

199 Yeah, I'm kinda with rockmom on the NFL. I love
football but it's crazy what these men put themselves through to play. I
was recently watching a blurb on the NFL network that followed Maurice
Jones-Drew through a week of training and it was eye-opening.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (qFpRI)


To achieve world-class status in just about any human pursuit, one must sacrifice his health security. One must push himself to the absolute limits to perform better than everyone else. That's how it is and that's how it should be. People sacrifice themselves to be the best at something. Anything less is less than the best and not worth bothering to even follow.

This happens not just in sports but in many intellectual pursuits as well, where people push off much of a normal life in order to pursue their goal of gaining knowledge that no one else has. The top logicians have tended to end up committing suicide or in mental hospitals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 04:17 PM (X3lox)

200 I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die
Posted by: The Man in Black at May 02, 2012 04:15 PM (136wp)

I raped a man in Reno, just to watch him cry.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (EkDbn)

201 A mentally ill person is not responsible for their suicide, and

depression is a mental illness


I throw a flag on that one. I'll grant you dementia, and even some levels of depression (like: psychotic break levels of depression), because those really do mean you either don't know what you're doing, or you literally cannot comprehend the potential consequences of your actions.

For most levels of depression, though? I'm sorry, you still have a choice, and you made it. I have little patience for people who believe the answer to their suffering is to put their loved ones through hell.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

202 Wasayu Clap Ornaught

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (TomZ9)

203
I drink alone...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (jUytm)

204 FTA: White County judge Thomas Hughes, however, said
Jones never met the burden of proof that Duncan abandoned her right to
claim $1 million."The $1 million was never found money," Hughes said.
A. Bullshit ruling B. Calling out the guy's color because he's obviously an idiot is typical Yahoo racism. Imagine if he was a black county judge.Posted by: USS Diversity


oh dear...

I'm embarrassed for you and laughing at you but mostly laughing at you.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (ebPtk)

205 I must say I gave up on Pro Basketball quicker than Football.

The NBA also makes it easy by supporting Obama and his agenda.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (bjRNS)

206 This happens not just in sports but in many intellectual pursuits as well, where people push off much of a normal life in order to pursue their goal of gaining knowledge that no one else has. The top logicians have tended to end up committing suicide or in mental hospitals.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 04:17 PM (X3lox)

Me, I live for March 14th

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (136wp)

207 Men are not supposed to weigh 300 pounds, and if they do, they should not be on a field hurling themselves into other smaller men and maiming them. And we should not be enjoying watching that. Ever.
Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2012 04:08 PM (NYnoe)
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But we do. And as long as there is big money to be made by all parties it will continue. I won't beat myself up because guysmaybe getting long termdamage from playing football. That doesn't mean I like to see it happen, these men know what the dangers are.Unfortunatley this is just another situation inwhich the only winners are the lawyers.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (eavT+)

208
Football is a brutal sport. Especially for a lineman. Long (short) career means permanent disability. How much is your body worth? Because, in my opinion,
My trashed knees and my injured back weren't worth what I was paid to get them, which was nada.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (OlN4e)

209 203
I drink alone...
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (jUytm)

With nobody else?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (136wp)

210 203


I drink alone...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (jUytm)

With nobody else?

Posted by: S Daniel at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (BVkEs)

211 George Strait is still one piece of amazing ass I'd like to hit.

Posted by: mpfs at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (iYbLN)

212
B. Calling out the guy's color because he's obviously an idiot is typical Yahoo racism. Imagine if he was a black county judge.
Homework. Do it next time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, New Caprica City DMV at May 02, 2012 04:12 PM (GBXon)

Sense of humor. Get one.

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (cjTjM)

213 195 I must say I gave up on Pro Basketball quicker than Football. The day Latrell Sprewell said "How am I supposed to raise my 2 families on $12Million/year?" I hung it up. Haven't watched it since. Pau Gasol has nothing on Nate Thurmond and Willis Reed, let alone Wilt and Kareem. Fundamentally, it's no contest.
Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 02, 2012 04:16 PM (71LDo)


Yeah, I'm not an NBA fan at all. I find it boring and the foul system is tedious. If your eyelash falls out and happens to land on another player the whistle blows.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (qFpRI)

214 Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Ladenís Body.

Wouldn't bin Laden's body be mostly converted to crab and sea bass by now?

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (Pi5Sz)

215 Allen, The thought when depressed isn't about making others suffer, It is about stopping the personal suffering, and it really can be horrific.
Is it the wrong answer , yes.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (TomZ9)

216 210 203


I drink alone...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (jUytm)

With nobody else?
Posted by: S Daniel at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (BVkEs)

Jinx

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (136wp)

217 Men are not supposed to weigh 300 pounds, and if they do, they should not be on a field hurling themselves into other smaller men and maiming them. And we should not be enjoying watching that. Ever.
Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2012 04:08 PM (NYnoe)

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Sorry rockmom, but your statement doesn't pass the logic test. First (and foremost), who are these 250-300 pound men hurling themselves at? Would it be other 250-300 pound men? Geez, you talk like one team has all the big guys and the opposing team has 98 pound Barkyboys.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (CRVT6)

218 There are multiple lawsuits right now against the NFL alleging that the NFL is negligent in causing their alleged brain injuries. Garo Fucking Yepremian is even one of the plaintiffs. Can anybody take responsibility for their own actions these days? Sue sue sue.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2012 04:21 PM (sT1ze)

219 214 Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Ladenís Body.

Wouldn't bin Laden's body be mostly converted to crab and sea bass by now?
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2012 04:20 PM (Pi5Sz)

I think the Navy put him in a Ziploc bag...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2012 04:21 PM (136wp)

220
With nobody else?

Just me and my pal Johnny..

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:21 PM (jUytm)

221 I drink alone...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (jUytm)

With nobody else?
Posted by: S Daniel at May 02, 2012 04:19 PM (BVkEs)

When I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at May 02, 2012 04:21 PM (DGIjM)

222 Slow day at the HQ. Is Ace okay?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 04:22 PM (UOM48)

223 Data I've seen say that lineman suffer the most dementia even though they don't take the big knockout hits. It appears to be the cumulative damage from the jarring on every down and every play that does the damage.

Not sure how to limit that. Weight limits on the players might help.

There's no reason for anybody to be 300+ lbs.

NFL could set weight limits on players. F=MA. Reducing mass will reduce the damage inflicted.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at May 02, 2012 04:22 PM (ZPrif)

224 Try the TEKTON 4592.

It specs out at 60CFM. I'm going to power a drill that needs 90CFM.

Most of the adverts for these regulators don't list the max air flow, just max pressure, which is annoying.

I may have to buy the regulator and oiler separately.

Thanks anyway.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:22 PM (NG097)

225 Sorry, I don't speak law school (or, for that matter, Latin). Roughly translates as "If not this, nothing?"
Pretty much. Sine non qua means, roughly, an indispensible thing. If x is the sine non qua of y, that has the connotation that it is the best example of that thing. For example, the Horde is the sine non qua of web commenting. /sucking up
Also heh. Lawyers do not speak Latin, they speak legalese. The girlfriend of a friend of mine in law school was a classics major and we used to make her eye twitch by throwing out all the incredibly bastardized Latin that lawyers use. She would finally snap and start screaming "That doesn't mean that! At all! What is wrong with you!" Good times, good times.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 02, 2012 04:23 PM (VtjlW)

226 211 George Strait is still one piece of amazing ass I'd like to hit.

All. nite. long. .....And he can sing real good too.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2012 04:23 PM (cB+Hn)

227 When I drink alone, I prefer to do it with my composite girlfriend.

Posted by: Preezy Steezy at May 02, 2012 04:23 PM (UOM48)

228 For most levels of depression, though? I'm sorry,
you still have a choice, and you made it. I have little patience for
people who believe the answer to their suffering is to put their loved
ones through hell.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

Okay, that I accept. People can and should treat levels of depression that are treatable and are irresponsible if they don't. I'm talking about profound depression or dementia here.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:23 PM (RD7QR)

229 For most levels of depression, though? I'm sorry, you still have a
choice, and you made it. I have little patience for people who believe
the answer to their suffering is to put their loved ones through hell.


As a member of a family of bi-polar types, I am compelled to point out that depression also tends to include the feeling that one has become a burden on their family, that the family would be better off without the depressed member.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:24 PM (bjRNS)

230 When I drink alone, I prefer to do it with my composite girlfriend. Posted by: Preezy Steezy

Rosie Palm?

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 04:24 PM (VndSC)

231 The IDF has issued emergency call up orders to six reserve battalions in
light of new dangers on the Egyptian and Syrian borders. And the Knesset
has given the IDF permission to summon a further 16 reserve battalions
if necessary, Israeli media reported on Wednesday.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 02, 2012 04:24 PM (e8kgV)

232
you mean Mary Palmer and her five sisters?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:25 PM (jUytm)

233 Eating dogs and inventing girlfriends. What a guy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2012 04:25 PM (sms4Z)

234 The thought when depressed isn't about making others suffer, It is
about stopping the personal suffering, and it really can be horrific.


Okay, I get that. The fact that you're thinking about yourself, instead of those around you, doesn't make the act any less selfish.

And, btw, I prefer that term (selfish) to "cowardly."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:26 PM (8y9MW)

235 If I had a compressed composite girlfriend, she would look like Beyonce. With Will Smith's package.

Posted by: Preezy Steezy at May 02, 2012 04:26 PM (UOM48)

236 depression also tends to include the feeling that
one has become a burden on their family, that the family would be better
off without the depressed member.


Posted by:Meicyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:24 PM
uh hmm, depression is a horrible illness with a lot of false things bumping around in the head. suffering is real for those engaged with the mental struggle and often those around them.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:26 PM (TomZ9)

237 Football has survived worse scandals than this current brain damage/concussion issue. Hundred years ago men were regularly killed during games.

Not sure what the NFL will do, but they have about $10B a year in incentives to come up with something that limits the damage.

I can see states and cities outlawing youth (under 1 tackle football.

All contact sports are gonna face this issue. And the lawsuits that come with it.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

238 NFL could set weight limits on players. F=MA. Reducing mass will reduce the damage inflicted.>>

So the players will have to wear restrictor or plates in the cafeteria?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (tf9Ne)

239 depression also tends to include the feeling that one has become a burden on their family, that the family would be better off without the depressed member

^This.

And I think it becomes a physiological syndrome that you can't reason yourself out of, not without medical treatment. So people slip into deep depressions and during that time they are in a very precarious state, extremely vulnerable to making bad decisions.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (5H6zj)

240 Someone with more knowledge of this stuff than me could possibly do some sort of study to find out if the problem with football isn't that the bodies and heads aren't protected enough, but that they're TOO protected.

Guys like Seau are defenders, they're hitting players. That's their job. What if those guys have too much padding? They don't go down as easily. So what do you have to do? Hit harder!

Just a thought...

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (TOk1P)

241 226
211 George Strait is still one piece of amazing ass I'd like to hit.



All. nite. long. .....And he can sing real good too.

Posted by: wheatie



The way that man fills out a pair of jeans............rowrrrrrrrrrr.

Posted by: mpfs at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (iYbLN)

242 What is it with these 'baby head' hairdos that some guys are wearing these days?

You know....when a guy combs his hair up into a little topknot curl on top of his head? ....Like we moms do with the hair on our babies?

It makes them look like a big baby. ....How it that supposed to be attractive? ....Because it's not.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2012 04:27 PM (cB+Hn)

243 There are multiple lawsuits right now against the NFL alleging that the NFL is negligent in causing their alleged brain injuries. Garo Fucking Yepremian is even one of the plaintiffs. Can anybody take responsibility for their own actions these days? Sue sue sue.
Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2012 04:21 PM (sT1ze)

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And there it is. The crumbling moral attitudes of society finally encroaching into another American tradition. It's how the left is taking away our free country. No one is responsible for any of their decisions anymore.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:28 PM (CRVT6)

244 241 226 211 George Strait is still one piece of amazing ass I'd like to hit. All. nite. long. .....And he can sing real good too. Posted by: wheatieThe way that man fills out a pair of jeans............rowrrrrrrrrrr.Posted by: mpfs



That Chris Christie thread was yesterday.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2012 04:28 PM (VndSC)

245 @240
I wonder if it's more akin to shaken baby syndrome rather than being about blows to the head.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:28 PM (5H6zj)

246 242
What is it with these 'baby head' hairdos that some guys are wearing these days?



You know....when a guy combs his hair up into a little topknot curl
on top of his head? ....Like we moms do with the hair on our babies?



It makes them look like a big baby. ....How it that supposed to be attractive? ....Because it's not.

Posted by: wheatie


They look stupid and ghey but mostly...ghey.

Posted by: mpfs at May 02, 2012 04:29 PM (iYbLN)

247
it's cute when little babies have little hair-fountains

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:29 PM (jUytm)

248 Allen, many sufferers already feel selfish and insufficient as others tell them to pll themselves up by their bootstraps, I think some don't underdstand that nature of this type of illness is as debilitating to one as cancer is but it's you brain.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:29 PM (TomZ9)

249 Guys like Seau are defenders, they're hitting players. That's their job.
What if those guys have too much padding? They don't go down as easily.
So what do you have to do? Hit harder!


It's also worth pointing out that, for most defenders*, the padding isn't armor -- it's a weapon.

*Down linemen excepted.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:29 PM (bjRNS)

250 Check out the Rod Stewart "hair-fountains" on these chicks:

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/page.aspx?pid=2433

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:30 PM (5H6zj)

251 Speaking as one who was very close to suicide at one time, I can tell you that my thought process was about sparing my loved ones from having to endure my presence any more. That's how much I hated myself. It was a matter of "Do I make them put up with another sixty some-odd years of my worthless self?" versus, "Do I make them endure one brief moment of what I'm sure they'll think is grief, but they'll eventually discover is relief that I'm gone?"

Thankfully, I talked myself out of it; more than once. Otherwise I'd never have found the HQ. I tend to credit the Lord of the Rings movies with pulling me back from the brink. Since thinking about my loved ones was too painful, I decided to focus on small, stupid things. "I want to see what Helm's Deep looks like onscreen. So I've got to make it till December." That kind of thing.

When you're really, really depressed -- deeply, clinically depressed -- it's very, very hard to envision anyone caring that you're gone. That's why I call bullshit whenever someone says, "Maybe the President is suffering from depression and that's why he's an ass." Not a chance in hell. No one camera whores that much and that gleefully when they're depressed.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:30 PM (4df7R)

252 depression also tends to include the feeling that one has become a
burden on their family, that the family would be better off without the
depressed member.


I get that. I really do (both of my brothers are on depression meds). My point is that you're still responsible for your actions. If you know something to be wrong- no matter how you "feel" about things- doing that thing is wrong.

So, yes, there are certain levels of depression (even "low" levels if they've not been diagnosed), that would prevent you from realizing that what you were doing was wrong, for whatever reason. But, in most cases? No, I don't think most cases rise to that level.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:31 PM (8y9MW)

253
Cornell Lab of Ornithology.

Isn't that where Keith Olbermann went to school?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:31 PM (jUytm)

254
"I'd settle for rugby helmets. They only really wear them to keep their ears from being torn off."

A rugby helmet may keep a football player's ears attached, but watching the dudes with the long hair and dredlocks get shucked is going to be HI-larious. Heck, it's alreadya minor miracle we've not seen some D-lineman grab a running back under the helmet and come away with a fistfull of dreds and bloody scalp.

Posted by: Jaws at May 02, 2012 04:32 PM (4I3Uo)

255 It's really going to be stormy here in a few minutes. It looks like nighttime outside my window.

I better check the radar.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:32 PM (NG097)

256 I wonder if it's more akin to shaken baby syndrome rather than being about blows to the head.

Pretty much. Somebody managed to get some sensors on a lineman's helmet, and the shocks they registered -- from normal play -- were well within the danger zone.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:32 PM (bjRNS)

257 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:30 PM (4df7R)

Yes, I've been that low. I had to get talked out of suicide once. It was a sobering experience and got me into treatment. It's a mindset that I have trouble describing to others, one in which just making the despair go away overwhelms all other considerations.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:32 PM (RD7QR)

258
Is Noot still talking?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (jUytm)

259 anyway, there has been hope for some with the malady some drugs work for some people, some however do not get the correct medication or the medication doesn't work for them.and the illness can spiral .
no meds work the same on each person.
I don't want to blame a victim for being ill.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (TomZ9)

260 >>Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit

Glad you made it.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (5H6zj)

261 246....They look stupid and ghey but mostly...ghey.

Thank you, mpfs.....I was wondering if I was the only one.

To me, there is no "hotness" to a big baby head.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (cB+Hn)

262 Polamalu tackled by his hair: http://youtu.be/eVO93amUv7Y

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (NG097)

263 "... a fatal shotgun wound to the chest."


"Reports indicate that a handgun was found by Seau's side."



Journalists are idiots.

Posted by: fozzy at May 02, 2012 04:33 PM (FEzSe)

264 did Baraka have to invent girlfriends because, on the off chance he managed to talk a woman into going out with him, he kepttrying to orderrare cockerspaniel on the first date?

Posted by: the Butcher at May 02, 2012 04:34 PM (8g9qq)

265 250 Check out the Rod Stewart "hair-fountains" on these chicks:
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/page.aspx?pid=2433

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:30 PM (5H6zj)


LKJE:OIJ:SOJIDFS:LJ OMG HOW SO CUTE?

I had a Great Blue Heron fly over my car just last week. Jiminy H. Christmas, it was big. It was like a Pterodactyl decided to pass on by. Gorgeous bird, though.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:34 PM (4df7R)

266 Depression, by definition, almost always includes some type of distorted thinking. If one is just sad, that's not depression. That's sadness.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:34 PM (TOk1P)

267 The good thing is that many, maybe most, mental illnesses are treatable. The bad thing is the sufferer often loses the ability to seek out help themselves. I have had to call the police on a relative and have that relative committed. I'm proud I did that. That relative got treatment, got meds, and today is a productive member of society. Has a family, a good job, kids.

But without family willing to take some very difficult steps that relative would not have gotten help and probably have become a homeless bum. My relative had a half dozen relapses where they went off their meds and ended up back in the hospital. It was very bad at times. But the turnaround from the lowest points really is remarkable.

Dementia, sadly, isn't currently treatable. It doesn't get better.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at May 02, 2012 04:34 PM (ZPrif)

268 MWR said ;

When you're really, really depressed -- deeply, clinically depressed
-- it's very, very hard to envision anyone caring that you're gone.

and i'm sorry, glad you have hung on.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:35 PM (TomZ9)

269 Journalists are idiots.

Actually, such things exist. (Taurus, for example, makes a revolver that takes 410 shells.)

I'm not sure they're legal in California, though. I'd have to check.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:36 PM (bjRNS)

270 I had a Great Blue Heron fly over my car just last
week. Jiminy H. Christmas, it was big. It was like a Pterodactyl decided
to pass on by. Gorgeous bird, though.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:34 PM (4df7R)

Sandhill cranes in FL are like that too. A lot of central Florida resembles the Jurassic era, as a matter of fact.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:36 PM (RD7QR)

271 many sufferers already feel selfish and insufficient as others tell them to pll themselves up by their bootstraps,

Yes. Already granted (well, not that specific statement, but in general). My point is that you are still responsible for your decisions and actions. Life isn't about whether or not you're a "burden" on your family- it's about doing the best you can every day. Some days, that "best you can" is not much, other days it's a lot.

It's a choice to divorce yourself from the emotions you are feeling and act on your objective knowledge of right and wrong instead.

Which, again, is why I allow that sometimes the level of depression will be such that you're deprived of even that ability- just not most of the time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:36 PM (8y9MW)

272 Confession time: I am pretty damned sure I had a mild bout of post-partum depression for a good month or so after having both my kids. It was worse with the second child than the first, too. After my son it was mostly random crying and feelings of inadequacy. After my daughter there were some really bad thoughts there (although thankfully nothing about the kids). I reasoned myself out of it pretty quickly but it's really not something I would ever scoff about. PPD is all hormone based and I literally could not help it. Even when I felt perfectly fine I would just well up and bawl out of nowhere.

So, yeah depression is not something that is conducive to reasoning or clear thinking.

Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at May 02, 2012 04:36 PM (qFpRI)

273 Sandhill cranes in FL are like that too. A lot of central Florida resembles the Jurassic era, as a matter of fact.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:36 PM (RD7QR)


Must be the heat!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:37 PM (4df7R)

274
I can fix the concussion problem and make football more popular with women in one fell swoop.
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No helmets and no padding.
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Next.
;;;
Haven't seen any comments about Seau having a shotgun wound and there being a pistol by his side.
;;;
Answer:Thegun isa Taurus Judge or similar pistol.
;;;
My work here is done.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 02, 2012 04:37 PM (Usk3+)

275 257 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:30 PM (4df7R)

Yes, I've been that low. I had to get talked out of suicide once. It was a sobering experience and got me into treatment. It's a mindset that I have trouble describing to others, one in which just making the despair go away overwhelms all other considerations.
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:32 PM (RD7QR)

Thank God you both are OK.

I was seriously depressed when my husband left.
Dark Dark Dark place. I wish that on nobody.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at May 02, 2012 04:37 PM (DGIjM)

276 Go back to leather helmets.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:38 PM (NG097)

277 Allen said ; Which, again, is why I allow that sometimes the level of depression will
be such that you're deprived of even that ability- just not most of the
time.

smile, you got it.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:38 PM (TomZ9)

278 Our Swedish friend who just visited us built a nesting box in his village for a peregrine falcon.

It's nighttime over there now, but here's the site if anyone's interested:

http://tinyurl.com/d6qn42s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 04:39 PM (UOM48)

279 Qestion for the Morons. My wife has been depating with some libs who claim Bin Ladin was at the Bush Ranch. I called bullshit on this one as Bin Ladin has been on the run since the 90's when the UAE, I think, offered the murderous POS to Clinton on a silver platter. I could find nothing on snopes regarding this. Anybody have any info on this or is it, as I strongly suspect, complete and utter BS?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 02, 2012 04:39 PM (JKNDp)

280 Apropos of nothing, dolphins are one of the few creatures who recognize themselves in a mirror. You should ask me how we know this.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:40 PM (NG097)

281 Meremortal, who said your work is done!
i need that pillow on the top of the closet first.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:40 PM (TomZ9)

282 complete and utter BS

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:40 PM (NG097)

283 Anybody have any info on this or is it, as I strongly suspect, complete and utter BS?
Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 02, 2012 04:39 PM (JKNDp)

Complete BS.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at May 02, 2012 04:41 PM (DGIjM)

284 Doesn't it say to sign the back of the ticket after purchase? Maybe not for scratch offs. I'll have to look the next time I play the lottery.

Posted by: no good deed at May 02, 2012 04:41 PM (mjR67)

285 If you know something to be wrong- no matter how you "feel" about things- doing that thing is wrong.
------
Morally, it's wrong. Lots of things are. Eating yourself until you're sick is morally wrong, too (at least for those of us who believe our lives are a gift from the Creator that should be treated as such).

But I think you are discounting "feelings" as being somehow less of a real symptom than, say, having a broken leg. And although that's natural to do, I think it's incorrect. Mental illnesses are still illnesses. When you can take a pill and get out of that destructive mindset, without being doped up or having your personality changed across the board, that really speaks to the fact that there's a physiological basis to feelings.

I can understand the loved ones being mad at the person committing suicide, but I hope most of them work past that feeling to recognizing the utter despair their loved one was in to do such a thing.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:41 PM (5H6zj)

286
Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 02, 2012 04:39 PM (JKNDp)
;;;;
Best answer to that one is to laugh nervously as you back away from the claimant, and then break into a run.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 02, 2012 04:42 PM (Usk3+)

287 Yes, Bush was very friendly with Bin Laden and had him to the ranch.It is all about greed and oil. Conservatives are so closed minded. Bush is the criminal!!

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:42 PM (RHb9m)

288 277 -

Exactly. People walk around all day long calling themselves depressed. They're not. They're sad, they're moapy, they're Debbie Downers. The real depressed people are laying in bed somewhere, or huddled in a corner, unable to think clearly or act rationally. It's very uncommon, but common enough.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:43 PM (TOk1P)

289
I'm pretty sure I saw Osama bin Laden at Home Depot in 2005.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:43 PM (jUytm)

290 Our Swedish friend who just visited us built a nesting box in his village for a peregrine falcon.

OK, but where's the webcam of his hot daughter?

Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at May 02, 2012 04:43 PM (Pi5Sz)

291 I don't want to blame a victim for being ill.

I don't blame them for being ill. I blame them for making a decision to do something wrong.

And, to be clear, here (since I haven't explicitly said this) I do not actually agree with the Catholic Church that suicide is necessarily a sin. Or, rather, I don't agree that committing suicide will prevent you from entering heaven. God knows our weaknesses and our troubles; He expects us to do the best we can- to try to be perfect, but He knows we won't succeed.

1 John 1:7 "If we walk in the Light, as He is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin."

It's about the direction of your life and your attempt to "be perfect." Not whether or not you actually succeed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:43 PM (8y9MW)

292 112
Who run bloggertown?



Master Blaster?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 02, 2012 04:44 PM (mAm+G)

293 Anybody have any info on this or is it, as I strongly suspect, complete and utter BS?

Isn't that a truther thing? I think that's part of the whole the Bushes were in on the Towers collapsing with the Saudi royal family because oil thing.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 02, 2012 04:44 PM (VtjlW)

294 Qestion for the Morons. My wife has been depating with some libs who
claim Bin Ladin was at the Bush Ranch. I called bullshit on this one as
Bin Ladin has been on the run since the 90's when the UAE, I think,
offered the murderous POS to Clinton on a silver platter. I could find
nothing on snopes regarding this. Anybody have any info on this or is
it, as I strongly suspect, complete and utter BS?


Just smack 'em upside the head.

OSAMA Bin Laden was never at the ranch, though I believe members of his family- who were very influential and disowned OBL- may have been. I suspect that's where they're getting it from.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2012 04:44 PM (SY2Kh)

295 People walk around all day long calling themselves depressed. They're not. They're sad, they're moapy, they're Debbie Downers.

I think this is so. Clinical Depression is an actual biochemical problem. Most people just have bad thinking.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (NG097)

296 Muhammad. That is good that your relative got help. Conservatives are so against progress that they let relatives get arrested and go homeless rather than seek out psychiatric treatment. Morons.

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (RHb9m)

297 Allen,


I can understand the loved ones being mad at the
person committing suicide, but I hope most of them work past that
feeling to recognizing the utter despair their loved one was in to do
such a thing.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:41 PM (5H6zj)

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (TomZ9)

298 290
Our Swedish friend who just visited us built a nesting box in his village for a peregrine falcon.

OK, but where's the webcam of his hot daughter?


Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at May 02, 2012 04:43 PM (Pi5Sz)



Lol. She really is stunning. And very smart and sweet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (UOM48)

299 279
Qestion for the Morons. My wife has been depating with some libs who
claim Bin Ladin was at the Bush Ranch. I called bullshit on this one as
Bin Ladin has been on the run since the 90's when the UAE, I think,
offered the murderous POS to Clinton on a silver platter. I could find
nothing on snopes regarding this. Anybody have any info on this or is
it, as I strongly suspect, complete and utter BS?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 02, 2012 04:39 PM (JKNDp)

It is BS because it's completely stupid. If people believe that the Bush clan is so ruthless as to orchestrate 9/11 than why would they risk keeping Osama alive? They'd put one in the back of his head like Tommy "ShineBox" DeSimone and disappear the body.

Posted by: fozzy at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (FEzSe)

300 I definitely saw bin Laden in the organic foods section of my local Shaw's Supermarket back in 2007. He was futzing around with the Burt's Bees lip balm.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at May 02, 2012 04:46 PM (4df7R)

301 Once we get Obamacare people will actually be able to get treatment for mental illness and society will not be so primitive.

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:46 PM (RHb9m)

302 The Bin Laden family had (has?) people in the oil industry, who probably spent some time around Americans in the oil business. Not that big a deal. We don't punish family members for the crimes of their relatives.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:46 PM (TOk1P)

303 "i need that pillow on the top of the closet first."
Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:40 PM (TomZ9);;;Sigh...after my sammich, sweetie pie.;;;Hi-ho, wild ones, I'm off to the big city to close some real estate andplay a dressup corporate gig. I'm threatening to wear a suittopped bymy biker bandana. See you on the ONT.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 02, 2012 04:47 PM (Usk3+)

304 It specs out at 60CFM. I'm going to power a drill that needs 90CFM.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:22 PM (NG097)

The specs are at the Tekton website:
∑ Lubricator:Air Inlet/Outlet: 3/8" NPTWorking Air Flow Rate: 85 CFMBowl Capacity: 4 oz.Recommended Lubricant: ISO-VG 32 grade oil
∑ Regulator:Air Inlet/Outlet: 3/8" NPTWorking Air Flow Rate: 90 CFM
∑ Filter:Air Inlet/Outlet: 3/8" NPTWorking Air Flow Rate: 90 CFM

I sent 24 of these along with a bunch of equipment to an oil terminal in Libya.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2012 04:47 PM (ZDsRL)

305 I think Obama will win by a landslide. People are relaizing how unproductive the 1 percent can be

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:47 PM (RHb9m)

306 RHb9m



Looks like the toilet's backed up again.

Posted by: blue star at May 02, 2012 04:48 PM (wPV9+)

307 Remind me. Who sucks cock by choice?

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:48 PM (5H6zj)

308 damn formatting.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 02, 2012 04:48 PM (Usk3+)

309 I can understand the loved ones being mad at the person committing suicide, but I hope most of them work past that feeling to recognizing the utter despair their loved one was in to do such a thing.
Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2012 04:41 PM (5H6zj)

----------------------------------------

Suicide, in the vast majority of times, is nothing but an act of ultimate selfishness.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:48 PM (oMsr1)

310 When you can take a pill and get out of that destructive mindset,
without being doped up or having your personality changed across the
board, that really speaks to the fact that there's a physiological basis
to feelings.


Of course there's a physiological basis to many feelings. Anyone who has ever come down from coke knows that one can feel totally depressed for no reason other than some chemicals floating around the brain (or lack, thereof). However, for most cases of diagnosed depression, that is not the case. Most of those people are just not happy and not satisfied with very specific things, not experiencing a disembodied feeling of dread that has no basis in reality and won't go away (true clinical depression). They know exactly why they are "depressed" and are not making up the part about being burdens. They might be blowing things out of proportion, which some would point to as evidence of "clinical depression", but you would likely find that these same people blow everything out of proportion and are merely handling their sadness the same way their personalities handle most other things.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 04:48 PM (X3lox)

311 Keep eating your junk food and crappy meat. We need more regulation

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:49 PM (RHb9m)

312 Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (NG097)

Yeah, but only you and I and about three other people on the planet understand that.

And maybe when GPs and internists stop prescribing powerful antidepressants to these idiots we can have some sense of depression's prevalence in society.

Oh, Doctor, I'm sad!

Here, take this little yellow pill.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2012 04:49 PM (nEUpB)

313 Test of Fire by a Catholic group on youtube. Well done. Hope catholics get the clue.

Posted by: N0b0z0 at May 02, 2012 04:49 PM (rsOPT)

314 Soona. You are an idiot. Suicide is a chemical imbalance

Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:49 PM (RHb9m)

315 295 People walk around all day long calling themselves depressed. They're not. They're sad, they're moapy, they're Debbie Downers.

I think this is so. Clinical Depression is an actual biochemical problem. Most people just have bad thinking.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (NG097)


Yes but if their sadness is enough to interfere with their life, relationships, etc., I believe it qualifies as mild depression under the DSM.

Posted by: Mśtenloch at May 02, 2012 04:49 PM (pAlYe)

316
∑ Regulator:Air Inlet/Outlet: 3/8" NPTWorking Air Flow Rate: 90 CFM

∑ Filter:Air Inlet/Outlet: 3/8" NPTWorking Air Flow Rate: 90 CFM


That would do it. I wonder why the the sites I was looking at said 60CFM.

Thanks again.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:50 PM (NG097)

317 Oh, Genevieve! Where fore art thou?

http://tinyurl.com/8yhgeug

Posted by: President Wee Wee, rubbin' one out at May 02, 2012 04:50 PM (/9E6Z)

318 I think Obama will win by a landslide. People are relaizing how unproductive the 1 percent can bePosted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:47 PM (RHb9m) ;;;;Yeah, they only pay 32% of all federal taxes, and provide most of the capital for job creation with their bank deposits which are lent to businesses and individuals.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 02, 2012 04:50 PM (Usk3+)

319 I think this is so. Clinical Depression is an actual biochemical problem. Most people just have bad thinking.


Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (NG097)

Yes, this is true enough. Being down is one thing; being unable to think clearly and inhibited from functioning is quite another. The point is that people who can benefit from something like SSRIs but aren't yet being treated are probably the ones who are unable to reason clearly, and thus will think that suicide could be beneficial in some way. If your brain chemistry is such that you cannot reason correctly then you aren't responsible for failing to reason that suicide is cowardly and irresponsible.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:51 PM (RD7QR)

320 Apparently, it is more environmentally friendly to blow up frozen cows than to dig them out. http://fxn.ws/IHA95N

I strongly, strongly, suspect a Moron hand in how that decision was made. "No, really, blowing them up is way better. It's science!"

Posted by: alexthechick at May 02, 2012 04:51 PM (VtjlW)

321 Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:47 PM (RHb9m)

That's funny!

I know that you didn't intend it to be, and the comment merely reinforces the strong impression that you are a knuckle-dragging, booger-eating idiot, but still, I got a chuckle out of it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2012 04:51 PM (nEUpB)

322 Oh, Doctor, I'm sad!

Here, take this little yellow pill.


I think every Psychiatrist should begin with the R. Lee Ermey approach to counseling. "You know what makes me sad? YOU!" Then modify as appropriate for the patient.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 04:51 PM (8y9MW)

323 I'm choking and I can't throw up!!!!

Posted by: Raw Foodie at May 02, 2012 04:51 PM (Usk3+)

324 Muhammad. That is good that your relative got help. Conservatives are so against progress that they let relatives get arrested and go homeless rather than seek out psychiatric treatment. Morons.
Posted by: RawFood at May 02, 2012 04:45 PM (RHb9m)

----------------------------------------------

You're suffering from extreme delusions. Seek help.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:52 PM (oMsr1)

325 @301
Probably a troll, but. The homeless problem is mostly a mental illness problem and specifically a schizophrenia problem. It's very difficult to get help when your illness convinces you the doctor giving you medicine is really giving you poison.

Sadly, schizophrenia is not an easily treatable mental illness. My relative had severe bipolar.

There currently is no real solution for violent schizophrenics. And for most of human history they were probably simply killed. It's only recently in human history that any society could afford to warehouse them in mental hospitals or jails.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at May 02, 2012 04:52 PM (ZPrif)

326 fgs there is a big difference in being disappointed in life, and blue about it. and being clinically depressed.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:52 PM (TomZ9)

327 The Bin Laden family had (has?) people in the oil
industry, who probably spent some time around Americans in the oil
business. Not that big a deal. We don't punish family members for the
crimes of their relatives.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:46 PM (TOk1P)


That whole family should burn in hell. Every single one of them.

BTW, the bin ladin group just got the contract to build the world's tallest building in the empty desert of Saudi Arabia. Yep.

The family took down the second and third tallest skyscrapers in America and are now building the tallest one in Saudi Arabia.

Unreal.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 02, 2012 04:53 PM (X3lox)

328 @291... The Catechism:

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at May 02, 2012 04:53 PM (DGIjM)

329 295 -

Technically, there is a term for it, but I happen to like Debbie Downer.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 02, 2012 04:53 PM (TOk1P)

330 >>>I think Obama will win by a landslide. People are relaizing how unproductive the 1 percent can be

Ha HAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHA!

So what was it? A mix of LSD and Prozac? Dude I wanna see unicorns farting rainbows too!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 02, 2012 04:54 PM (0q2P7)

331 291
I don't want to blame a victim for being ill.

I don't blame them for being ill. I blame them for making a decision to do something wrong.

And,
to be clear, here (since I haven't explicitly said this) I do not
actually agree with the Catholic Church that suicide is necessarily a
sin.




The Catholic Church does not teach that, but rather:

"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship,
suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one
committing suicide." CCC # 2282.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 02, 2012 04:54 PM (mAm+G)

332 I smell AJ.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:55 PM (oMsr1)

333
yesterday afternoon Ace wrote: "I'm seeing the film on Friday morning. I'll be gone until 1 pm, then I'll post a review."

I forgot what I was gonna say about this. Nevermind.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (jUytm)

334 Oh, hockey mom! Hold me!

http://tinyurl.com/77gdyec

Posted by: President Wee Wee at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (/9E6Z)

335 pretty soon there won't be any 1 percenter's left they'll all find countries leaders more appreciative in having jobs for their citizens and putting roofs over their childrens heads

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (TomZ9)

336 I want more depressed women. They're easier.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (oMsr1)

337 "depression also tends to include the feeling that oneObama has become a burden on their familycountry, that the familycountry would be better off without the depressed membercurrent president.

Posted by:Meicyslaw at May 02, 2012 04:24 PM

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (nEUpB)

338
nood injun post

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:57 PM (jUytm)

339
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) ó Facing one of the nation's worst budget crises, the Democrats who run Illinois insist they're serious about overhauling the state's expensive health programs and employee pensions. Gov. Pat Quinn underscored his determination by declaring he was "put on earth" to solve the multi-billion-dollar pension problem.
But can the Democrats actually do it?

Otter: I'll tell you what. We'll tell Fred you were doing a great job taking care of his car, but you parked it out back last night and this morning... it was gone. We report it as stolen to the police. D-Day takes care of the wreck. Your brother's insurance company buys him a new car.

Flounder: Will that work?

Otter: Hey, it's gotta work better than the truth.

Bluto: [thrusting six-pack into Flounder's hands] My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
Otter: Better listen to him, Flounder, he's in pre-med.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 02, 2012 04:57 PM (e8kgV)

340 333


yesterday afternoon Ace wrote: "I'm seeing the film on Friday morning. I'll be gone until 1 pm, then I'll post a review."



I forgot what I was gonna say about this. Nevermind.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 02, 2012 04:56 PM (jUytm)

Oh, that explains it. 1:00 showing, say 2-hour runtime, 30 minutes to get back home, 30 minutes swilling some Valu-Rite, then 4 hours to write the review. So, next post in 3 hours.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at May 02, 2012 04:58 PM (RD7QR)

341 Well I'm finally back. That judge is partially right, but way out. The law of salvage should apply here. The woman who threw the ticket away did so because the cash register malfunctioned and said it was worthless.


Under normal circumstances the finder would get the money and the woman who threw it away would have a cause of action again the cash register company and the owner. But I think in this case, salvage would apply. The original owner would get a substantial amount of the winnings, the finder would get a substantial amount, and the government would get a healthy cut. (besides taxes)

Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2012 04:58 PM (YdQQY)

342 This Seau thing could be big. If he had brain
wasting disease from too many hits to the head during his NFL career we
may see a radically different type of football in the coming years.

Posted by: taylork at May 02, 2012 03:38 PM (ppNDn)

There is more to the concussion epidemic than immediately meets the eye. When I played high school football(early Jurassic period 1963-1965) concussions were rare. We wore a different kind of helmet then. It was a suspension type which kept the actual shell of the helmet from ever contacting the head. You could get your head hammered pretty well and barely feel the blow. Yes, I know people are bigger, faster, stronger today; the suspension depth would need to be increased slightly to compensate.

What causes concussions is the acceleration applied to the brain caused by a blow to the head - either from an opponent accelerating it or from the ground decelerating it. The 'long stroke' of the suspension helmet spreads the acceleration over a longer period of time than the current padded helmets do. The lower acceleration of the suspension helmet causes fewer concussions than the short stroke - high acceleration modern padded helmet.
The suspension helmet disappeared from the field in the 1970s when the federal standards for football helmets appeared. (We're from the government and we're here to help!) The concussion epidemic is a manufactured crisis - and the Democrats never let a crisis go to waste - particularly one they helped manufacture.
By the way the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign in the NFL also has nothing to do with Breast Cancer Awareness - every troglodyte in the country is aware of Breast Cancer - the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign in the NFL is really about getting NFL players to wear pink. This and the concussion issue is part of the generalized attack on Alpha males and their activities.

Posted by: An Observation at May 02, 2012 04:59 PM (ylhEn)

343 So, next post in 3 hours.

3 days.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 04:59 PM (NG097)

344 The Catholic Church does not teach that, but rather:

My point is I don't think there is ever a case where we can look at someone who committed suicide and say "That person is going to hell because he committed suicide." Even in cases where we know it was a purely "rational" decision, and there was no depression or psychosis or other "grave psychological disturbance."

While it does grant that not everyone is culpable for their suicide, the RC does accept that suicide is Mortal Sin as a general rule.

I think every case can only be determined by God- and, as mortals, the best guess we'll ever be able to make is by looking at the general direction of the person's life.

As Screwtape wrote (para) "Never is our cause in more jeopardy than when a man not feeling, but believing, looks up to heaven, says, 'My God, why have you forsaken me,' and then obeys anyway."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at May 02, 2012 05:01 PM (8y9MW)

345 For all the hand-wringing over brain injuries and whatnot: Let me put it to you this way: If I gave 20 year old you a contract that said you're going to get all the pussy you can handle, all the money you could want to spend, thousands driving hundreds of miles just to see you BUT you're going to be dead by 50, would you take it?

I doubt there is a red-blooded young man in America that wouldn't jump at that.

It's those hitting 40 and suddenly realizing life was short that are worried.

I say, it's your life, spend it how you want. But don't come whining when you find out the small print. (psst: life is unfair and you don't live forever.)

Posted by: jimmuy at May 02, 2012 05:03 PM (kSaUf)

346
"The suspension helmet disappeared from the field in the 1970s when the federal standards for football helmets appeared. (We're from the government and we're here to help!)"

Interesting. I did not know that.
Is there anything the Feds don't know better than us proles?

Posted by: Jaws at May 02, 2012 05:04 PM (4I3Uo)

347 For all the hand-wringing over brain injuries and whatnot: Let me put it
to you this way: If I gave 20 year old you a contract that said...


The reason why it's a big deal is that "going crazy, being aware of it, and not dying," was not part of the contract.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at May 02, 2012 05:06 PM (bjRNS)

348 Gary Busey Helmet http://is.gd/BSKWyW

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 05:06 PM (NG097)

349 Posted by: jimmuy at May 02, 2012 05:03 PM (kSaUf)

I agree about the personal responsibility. However the cash machine that football has become has created a system that chews up these young men, most of whom are too dumb and uneducated to see what is happening to them today, much less extrapolate ten years out.

If the NCAA weren't the disgusting, money-grubbing minor leagues for the NFL, these guys might have a chance. But all of those cocksuckers sitting in AD offices around the country and the guys in the conference offices pulling the strings like having the cash. So it won't change, and the casualties will be physically talented but dumb athletes who all of a sudden are 35 and totally fucked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2012 05:08 PM (nEUpB)

350 Google is in SOOOO much trouble. Hearings, investigations, hangings, the whole dog and pony show may serve 1) as a warning to folks with unsecured networks and 2) as a welcome flogging of a monster that needs to be saddle broken. ... and 3) as simply great entertainment during the drudge of a nasty political season.

Posted by: And Irresolute at May 02, 2012 05:15 PM (RC3M9)

351
More than a thousand boxes of classified government records are believed to be missing from the Washington National Records Center (WNRC) of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), a three-year Inspector General investigation found.

But there are no indications of theft or espionage, an official said.

http://is.gd/H7YCEE

What a line of crap. 1000+ boxes of classified information gone, but they weren't stolen?!?!

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at May 02, 2012 05:16 PM (sJKFk)

352 Top Men are studying them. Top.Men.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2012 05:21 PM (NG097)

353 I guess we are the 21st century Romans. Their Gladiators didn't live that long either.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 02, 2012 05:26 PM (ZDUD4)

354 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2012 05:30 PM (7W3wI)

355 I have personal experince with suicide. Healthy people worry about others. Screwed up people are some of the most selfish people alive. Yes it is other probably chemical induced, sometimeschemically self induced. I have another friend who is severly bi-polar. I never realized that could be evidenced by delusional behavior bordering on schitzophrenia. He is currently confined to a medical facility for the mentally ill untill he can get his meds right. The truely homeless are often subject to schizophrenia. We used to cocnfine them to mental facilitiesbut the ACLU stopped that in the 70's

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 02, 2012 05:35 PM (JKNDp)

356 Dammit, how do I send a story about Harry Reid keeping a donation from a felonious person to a cob-logger here?

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at May 02, 2012 06:03 PM (7l7KA)

357 caterpillar filter, fleetguard filter, isuzu filter, komatsu filter,perkins filter , volvo filter, hitachi filter,john deere filter, deutz filter,parker filter , donaldson filter,jcb filter

Posted by: komatsu filter at May 03, 2012 01:17 AM (1c2Lf)

358 131 What is that saying? Possession is 99 and 99/100% of the law?
*
*
No, that's me.

(Well, 99 44/100%, but what's a few hundredths among buddies, amIright?)

Posted by: Ivory Soap at May 03, 2012 01:11 PM (exvgC)

359 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

Posted by: Bring Up the Bodies ibooks at May 06, 2012 09:23 AM (KOzJK)






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