Sympathy for the Devil: Saul Alinksy's Amoral, Ends-Justify-the-Means Style

Good piece from John Fund, quoting from a 1972 Playboy interview of Obama's political mentor.

But just before his death in 1972, he synthesized the lessons he had learned into a book called “Rules for Radicals,” in which he urged radicals to make common cause with anyone to further their ends. The book was even dedicated, presumably tongue in cheek, to Lucifer, “the very first radical,” who “rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom.”

Alinsky argued for moral relativism in fighting the establishment: “In war the end justifies almost any means. . . . The practical revolutionary will understand [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

Where did Alinsky get this amorality? Clues can be found in a Playboy magazine interview he gave in 1972, just before his death. In the closest thing to a memoir Alinsky left, he told how he decided to do his (never-completed) doctoral dissertation in the 1930s on the Al Capone mob, and to do it as “an inside job.” He caught the eye of Big Ed Stash, the mob’s top executioner, and convinced him he could be trusted as a sort of mob mascot who would interpret its methods to the outside world. “He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone’s number-two man,” Alinsky told Playboy. “Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti’s boys took me everywhere.”

Alinsky recalled that he “learned a hell of a lot about the uses and abuses of power from the mob,” and that he applied that knowledge “later on, when I was organizing.” The Playboy interviewer asked, “Didn’t you have any compunction about consorting with — if not actually assisting — murderers?” Alinsky replied: “None at all, since there was nothing I could do to stop them from murdering. . . . I was a nonparticipating observer in their professional activities, although I joined their social life of food, drink, and women. Boy, I sure participated in that side of things — it was heaven.”

This actually encapsulates the difference between a classic liberal and a left-wing radical pretty succinctly.

The classic liberal believes that there should not be a war in society, nor a state of unrest approaching a war. There are rules of good behavior, within a society. There are lesser rules of good behavior owed to foreign actors (as in a war against an alien state). But within the actual "family," a higher standard of conduct is required towards one's fellow citizens.

The leftwing radical of course holds the opposite -- nearly every leftwinger believes that war against foreign states is somehow illegal, and that we owe greater standards of good conduct to those outside the family.

And within the state? They believe in the rules of war.

They fundamentally see their fellow citizens -- at least those not part of The Cause -- as hostile enemies to be defeated By Any Means Necessary. And that includes violence, where needed.

Posted by: Ace at 05:04 PM



Comments

1 So Alinsky was a piece of shit? Hmm.

Posted by: Cicero at March 27, 2012 05:06 PM (QKKT0)

2 Mob = democrat party. Democrat paryt = mob.

Posted by: rectal exam at March 27, 2012 05:08 PM (O7ksG)

3 Dang. Alinsky was going to be the subject of the next Sunday book thread. But I have been upstaged. Good article by Fund, though.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:09 PM (xm1A1)

4 Unfortunately the radical left has captured the heart and soul of them democratic party and we are at War with radical progressives. We better wake up

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:09 PM (i6RpT)

5 "I was a nonparticipating observer in their professional activities, although I joined their social life of food, drink, and women. Boy, I sure participated in that side of things — it was heaven.”


He hangs around with dozens of armed, insane dangerous thugs for months - AND NONE OF THEM GOT SUSPICIOUS OR UPSET??!!! What are the fucking odds of that?

It's like Hitler serving in the trenches for 4 bloody years and not even getting a scratch, except for a little mustard gas.

Irony.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:10 PM (Af3Wg)

6 They suck cock

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 27, 2012 05:10 PM (o06Yo)

7 Like the US State Department through our embassies in Europe trying to organize Muslims. That kind of ends justify the means shit

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 05:10 PM (1Jaio)

8 "Mr. Alinsky, table for one."

Posted by: Hell at March 27, 2012 05:12 PM (BbX1b)

9 I hate these suckers of cock with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 27, 2012 05:12 PM (jucos)

10 June 12th, 1972

What's up? Heard you dedicated a book to me. Loved it by the way. I see it being good for business. Hope you don't think that means you are gonna get any kind of special treatment though. I have absolute authority and power here and I brook no dissent. Perhaps if you weren't going to be tortured in the most awful manner imaginable for all eternity you could write a book about the irony of it.

Posted by: Lucifer at March 27, 2012 05:12 PM (XykUh)

11 Obama 2012:I learned a hell of a lot about the uses and abuses of power from the mob.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 05:12 PM (/Mxso)

12 Being the party elite is the whole point of the DNC party eh?

This is what makes being a con a pisser, that many on our side automatically buy into the freezing and targeting of selected targets of the left.

Posted by: joeindc44 also punches above his weight (which is bad for you cause I am jacked) at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (QxSug)

13 Yo, libs? Playing with fire will get you burned.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (YbQJm)

14 So Obama's political mentor formulated his method and ethics from organized crime? A whole lot of things just started making a whole lot more sense.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (v+QvA)

15 Keep in mind that Hillary was also a big fan of his. He was a true commie POS.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (YdQQY)

16 We used to call that psychopathy.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (MMC8r)

17 Grieving Trayvon sympathizers show their feelings by ransacking a Walgreens in Miami

http://tinyurl.com/cn4t5mb

Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (Y+DPZ)

18 Alinsky's rationalization for hanging around mobsters reminds me of Soros' rationalization for collaborating with Nazis.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (nZvGM)

19 Lord Barky uses rules of war....against his own country....instead of against his country's enemies.

That thing he does, about hitting us from all sides at once....that's a military tactic. ....He also likes to create diversions....another military tactic.

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (dEMjC)

20 We used to call that psychopathy.
Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 05:13 PM (MMC8r)



We used to call it evil.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (v+QvA)

21 Thugs.

That's all. They're thugs.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 27, 2012 05:15 PM (SB0V2)

22 Grieving Trayvon sympathizers show their feelings by ransacking a Walgreens in Miami

http://tinyurl.com/cn4t5mb

Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (Y+DPZ)
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THEY KNOW WHAT IT FEEEEEEEEEEELS LIKE TO BE BLACK IN AMERICA!

Posted by: Rev Wright at March 27, 2012 05:15 PM (jucos)

23 Ahem. What about us?

Posted by: Cloward and Piven at March 27, 2012 05:15 PM (dEMjC)

24 Kind of curious where the mob (at least the Italian Mafia) learned it from.

"Visitors" AKA raiders from Islamic countries

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 27, 2012 05:16 PM (SB0V2)

25 Obama is the head of the biggest organized crime family ever. And it's got some serious muscle, although he's weakening that branch of the family every day.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:16 PM (Af3Wg)

26 What was Alinsky's mob name, Tuddy or Sauly Walnuts?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:18 PM (Af3Wg)

27 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:18 PM (8y9MW)

28 They fundamentally see their fellow citizens -- at least those not part
of The Cause -- as hostile enemies to be defeated By Any Means
Necessary. And that includes violence, where needed


Yep. And The Cause is nothing but bringing pain and suffering to their enemies, those who make them feel bad about themselves. None of these mental midgets is actually looking to build anything. They know that destruction is the best they can hope for, and that makes them triply pissed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (X3lox)

29 Grieving Trayvon sympathizers show their feelings by ransacking a Walgreens in Miamihttp://tinyurl.com/cn4t5mb
Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2012 05:14 PM (Y+DPZ)
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All yer Skittles are belong to us, cracker!

Posted by: Platevon Miller at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (ggRof)

30
Sound slike the writer in the Unforgiven, who loved to look at and examine the bad guys.

Wonder if Clint based him on Alinsky...

But then, we would need to know something about Alinsky to get it, which we aren't allowed to know.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Romney at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (6oJbh)

31 from the article:, concerning Alinsky's tactics.

...and he tied up bank lines with people who exchanged loads of pennies for $100 bills and vice versa.

Heh. You have to admire this. It's a meat-space DDOS attack.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (xm1A1)

32 With sharpton, jackson, and the family trade marking martin's name, it's hard not to say stereotypical things that might sound prejudice.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:20 PM (i6RpT)

33 I hate obama and his ilk

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:20 PM (i6RpT)

34



Philadelphia had Nicky Scarfo.

We've got Barry Scoamf.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:20 PM (Af3Wg)

35 I thought the answer was going to be Lenin or Stalin. Same MO, just a different scale.

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 05:21 PM (6TB1Z)

36
Heh. You have to admire this. It's a meat-space DDOS attack.


Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (xm1A1)


Meh. That was the main Persian battle strategy for centuries.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:21 PM (X3lox)

37 I can't understand why the mob would take him in. They should have done us a favor and uhh..made him relocate to a warmer climate

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 05:22 PM (1Jaio)

38 I pay so little attention to these radicals because I don't really think they are primarily to blame for the disaster that is the current American "left." It is the abject ignorance of so many people who vote for these radicals, support on the surface, their causes, and yet if they were asked to follow all the way through to the end, would run screaming from the radicals.

Whole groups of them exist: the young and naive, the unions, the elderly, blacks, Jews, etc... they vote with their hearts, and that's why the radicals have their way in that party. Because the radicals have followed their philosphy all the way through, and they choose hell on Earth.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2012 05:22 PM (TOk1P)

39 great article

Posted by: kyleBarton at March 27, 2012 05:23 PM (WhjFX)

40 Is there any chance Alinsky lied to make himself look tougher?

Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 27, 2012 05:24 PM (ZPrif)

41 I can't understand why the mob would take him in.

He was going to mafia-ize politics. That makes a windfall for them.

And it has....SEIU?

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 05:24 PM (MMC8r)

42 That explains a lot, actually.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 27, 2012 05:24 PM (UK9cE)

43 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:10 PM

Actually, it sounds like a certain stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable traitor, who hung with an assortment of felons, rabid racist "reverends," druggies, America-haters, bomb-makers and wacked-out Muzzies, yet poirtrays himself as pure and good, with an unlimited stash for the poor and downtrodden.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 27, 2012 05:24 PM (MQc8e)

44
Posturing.

Liberals like to fancy themselves as hard-hearted tough guys and pragmatists, but they always end up having to recruit for and/or subcontract out the dirty work.

Very few of them would be able to overcome their squeamishness necessary to enforce their vision for us.

On the other hand, I know I can divorce action from emotion. On the Great Day of The Rope, the only thing I'll feel is the thud of my boot as I kick the stools out from under the feet of these insane fucks and watch them dance on air.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:24 PM (Omomh)

45 38I pay so little attention to these radicals because I don't really think they are primarily to blame for the disaster that is the current American "left." It is the abject ignorance of so many people who vote for these radicals, support on the surface, their causes, and yet if they were asked to follow all the way through to the end, would run screaming from the radicals.

Whole groups of them exist: the young and naive, the unions, the elderly, blacks, Jews, etc... they vote with their hearts, and that's why the radicals have their way in that party. Because the radicals have followed their philosphy all the way through, and they choose hell on Earth. Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2012 05:22 PM (TOk1P) This. Stupid assholes who think that words>actions are the reason that the left has any power. To hell with them all.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (YbQJm)

46 Meh. That was the main Persian battle strategy for centuries.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:21 PM (X3lox)


That's why theGreeks beat them at Plataea, they didn't even have pennies in their currency.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (/Mxso)

47 ...and he tied up bank lines with people who exchanged loads of pennies for $100 bills and vice versa.

As a former bank teller, I hope he burns in hell.

The $100.00 bills for pennies would have been annoying enough, but not crippling. Pennies for c-notes? Tellers had to count all of those pennies (10,000) to verify they had the right amount before giving out that $100 bill. And not all banks had coin sorter/counters to do that for you- which means they were counting 10,000 pennies by hand.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (8y9MW)

48 Alinsky was a fantasist. I require primary sources for all of his tales.

Posted by: veekapoos on don draper at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (sqVOl)

49 It's not my war, I'm just holding it for a friend.

Posted by: Barrio Bomber at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (rzTDZ)

50 We provided you with pictures of our "angelic" son as a 12-year old. It's up to YOU to prove the recent photos of our son are real or not.

Posted by: Trayvon's Parents at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (ETgqz)

51 When we defeat obama in November he is gonna go bat shit crazy with executive orders. Thankfully most of them can just as easily be reversed by the next Administration.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (i6RpT)

52 32 With sharpton, jackson, and the family trade marking martin's name, it's hard not to say stereotypical things that might sound prejudice.

I saw just a snipet of Trayvon's parents, testifying before congress today. ....I am stifling the urge to snark about it.

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (dEMjC)

53
Any one remember the 'No Pressure' video blowing up people who questioned global warming?
There's some evidence supporting the point.

Posted by: jack at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (zKFOT)

54 So when things go to hell, I'll ask my lib acquaintences (I don't call them friends anymore) how they like what's happening. I'll say 'this is what you wanted...this is what you voted for' and watch them mewl and whine.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (YbQJm)

55 We provided you with pictures of our "angelic" son as a 12-year old. It's up to YOU to prove the recent photos of our son are real or not.
Posted by: Trayvon's Parents at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (ETgqz)

By bringing in the race hustlers and by their actions, my sympathy and give shit meter is all zeroed out

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:27 PM (i6RpT)

56 I agree with the radicals on this count; they are the enemy, and must be defeated by any means at hand, which naturally includes the use of unlimited violence if necessary to gain that radical defeat. I believe I stand in good stead with the founding fathers on that issue. Their aim is the overthrow of our constitutional republic, and that makes them mortal enemies of any American.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2012 05:28 PM (OlN4e)

57 I am stifling the urge to snark about it.

Why? Snark away.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:28 PM (8y9MW)

58 I saw just a snipet of Trayvon's parents, testifying before congress today. ....I am stifling the urge to snark about it.
Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 05:26 PM (dEMjC)


You have more intestinal fortitude than I do

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:28 PM (i6RpT)

59
The leftwing radical of course holds the opposite -- nearly every leftwinger believes that war against foreign states is somehow illegal, and that we owe greater standards of good conduct to those outside the family.

And within the state? They believe in the rules of war.


So true... and to engage them on their terms requires us to regard them as a hostile foreign state. Appeasing the left is about as effective as appeasing an Islamist state. No matter how accommodating you are, they will despise you and won't rest until you are one of them, or dead.

Posted by: weew at March 27, 2012 05:28 PM (QieHl)

60 Insty has a link about DC metro and it's endemic corruption .
The place was apparently being run by the Robert Mugabe school of management .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 27, 2012 05:30 PM (Jp1VY)

61 Pop Tarts
Pro-life 'October Baby' rejected by major studios, blitzes box office


I will break my 10 year strike of going and paying to see a movie and go and see this one

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:30 PM (i6RpT)

62 he only thing I'll feel is the thud of my boot as I kick the stools out
from under the feet of these insane fucks and watch them dance on air.


you shore got a pretty mouth

Posted by: Random redneck #6 at March 27, 2012 05:30 PM (6TB1Z)

63 I don't like the sidebar projections of the Obama vs Romney. I know it means nothing now, but I still can't help but feel total dismay that the majority of this country isn't ready to send this jug earred bastard down the river.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (F+Xfj)

64 Spill it, wheatie. You're in a safe place.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (Omomh)

65 I'm continually amused that so many on the conservative side think we can effectively fight Alinskyism and their march to Hell with Marquess of Queensbury Rules. It may win battles here and there, but looking at our trajectory over the last half century, they'll eventually win the war.

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (4I3Uo)

66 57
I am stifling the urge to snark about it.

Why? Snark away.


Yes, by all means, go full snarky.

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (6TB1Z)

67 It is the abject ignorance of so many people who
vote for these radicals, support on the surface, their causes, and yet
if they were asked to follow all the way through to the end, would run
screaming from the radicals.



Whole groups of them exist: the young and naive, the unions, the
elderly, blacks, Jews, etc... they vote with their hearts, and that's
why the radicals have their way in that party. Because the radicals have
followed their philosphy all the way through, and they choose hell on
Earth.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2012 05:22 PM (TOk1P)

I usually agree with many of your opinions but this?and yet
if they were asked to follow all the way through to the end, would run
screaming from the radicals.I might have disagreed before the crowds chanting for walkers death.and crowds and not Just crowds, sports players etc..now putting up funds for a group, indicating murder for hire. 'dead or alive'

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (TomZ9)

68 Spill it, wheatie. You're in a safe place.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (Omomh)

Oh yeah white boy?

Posted by: Eric Holder at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (i6RpT)

69 Trevon was suspended 3 times. One for marijuana, One for graffiti where he was found with stolen jewelry.
Anyone know what the third infraction was?

Posted by: Avi at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (8x3Vb)

70 I have always thought that you can't differentiate practical Marxist behavior from criminal behavior. The Russian oligarchy is nothing but a criminal enterprise, which is hwat is was within the Soviet Union. It's internal wars that are no different from mafia wars. The same for the drug cartels. Unions are not far behind, and have the same pedigree.

It's a nasty war where the innocent are swept into it by corrupting influences, to the point where they will sell their own children. And that is literally what is happening (if they don't kill them first!).

Posted by: Jay Bee at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (Xwgt3)

71 worst. administration .ever.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (TomZ9)

72 I predict that we'll see Trayvon's parents hugging his gravestone ala Cindy Sheehan within 3 months.

Okay, I think they are legitimately distraught, but still, they seem to have an eye on the bottom line.

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (6TB1Z)

73 avi, some are alluding to a tweet, maybe he hit a bus driver? its rumor only.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (TomZ9)

74 Trevon was suspended 3 times. One for marijuana, One for graffiti where he was found with stolen jewelry.
Anyone know what the third infraction was?
Posted by: Avi at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (8x3Vb)

Well I can almost garruntee it was not for cheating on his SATs to get a higher score

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (i6RpT)

75 Also a liberal does not believe in a oppressive totalitarian government.

Posted by: jukin at March 27, 2012 05:34 PM (5oKRH)

76 from the article:, concerning Alinsky's tactics....and he tied up bank lines with people who exchanged loads of pennies for $100 bills and vice versa. Heh. You have to admire this. It's a meat-space DDOS attack.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (xm1A1)



No, I really don't.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2012 05:34 PM (v+QvA)

77 On the other hand, I know I can divorce action from emotion. On the Great Day of The Rope, the only thing I'll feel is the thud of my boot as I kick the stools out from under the feet of these insane fucks and watch them dance on air.Posted by: Empire of Jeff

What? No glass and steel gallows lit with stage lighting with the New York, Phily, LA, and SF Philharmonics blaring away in the background?

Piker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2012 05:34 PM (qOfw/)

78 <<<<Is there any chance Alinsky lied to make himself look tougher?>>>>



DING DING DING DING- WINNA WINNA WINNA!!!

Posted by: kdny at March 27, 2012 05:35 PM (vrYVY)

79 What's the story with Trayvon being in the morgue for three days unclaimed?

Bet the parents didn't talk about that in DC today.

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:35 PM (Sptt8)

80 I think many of us wouldn't mind if the left kept going on with the "ends justifies ANY means" attitude.

They won't like where that leads. Trust on this one.

Posted by: trump at March 27, 2012 05:35 PM (M7Awp)

81 Trevon was suspended 3 times. One for marijuana, One for graffiti where he was found with stolen jewelry.

Anyone know what the third infraction was?

Posted by: Avi at March 27, 2012 05:32 PM (8x3Vb)


The most recent suspension he was serving when he got shot, from what I've read, was described by someone from the school as "being in a restricted area where he wasn't supposed to be."

I'd have to find a link, though, so I'm not positive.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (UK9cE)

82 []Well I can almost garruntee it was not for cheating on his SATs to get a higher score

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (i6RpT)



Speakin' of which....I heard a new story this morning about the new photo ID requirements for taking the SAT. One needs to be submitted when you apply to take it. When you arrive to take it you are asked for ID again. And the photo ID is sent to your school to be confirmed by the administration when your scores are sent.


None needed to vote.....

Posted by: Tami at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (X6akg)

83 Heh. You have to admire this. It's a meat-space DDOS attack.




Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (xm1A1)

Ironically, such tactics may have helped spur the development of those job-snatching ATM machines.

Posted by: BS Inc. at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (P2Ufm)

84 69Trevon was suspended 3 times. One for marijuana, One for graffiti where he was found with stolen jewelry.
Anyone know what the third infraction was?Mopery.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (Omomh)

85 78
<<<<Is there any chance Alinsky lied to make himself look tougher?>>>>


Well yes, I did lie about them using me as a semen receptacle, but really, is that such a big deal?

Posted by: Saul Alinsky on his rotisserie at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (6TB1Z)

86 80 I think many of us wouldn't mind if the left kept going on with the "ends justifies ANY means" attitude. They won't like where that leads. Trust on this one.
Posted by: trump at March 27, 2012 05:35 PM (M7Awp)



Hey, it worked for me!

Posted by: Pol Pot at March 27, 2012 05:36 PM (v+QvA)

87 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:25 PM (8y9MW)

You were a bank teller too? It was '96 when I worked as a teller and we still didn't have a coin counter. All of Alinsky's tactics hurt normal working people the most/exclusively. I'm sure he'd be proud of OWS terrorizing pushcart owners and McDonald's employees.

Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 27, 2012 05:37 PM (tD5no)

88 well ,I'm not crazy about another civil war. I keep hoping that it really was kool-aide and it wears off soon.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:38 PM (TomZ9)

89
What? No glass and steel gallows lit with stage lighting with the New York, Phily, LA, and SF Philharmonics blaring away in the background?<<<

I'm a traditionalist.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:39 PM (Omomh)

90 "They fundamentally see their fellow citizens -- at least those not part of The Cause -- as hostile enemies to be defeated By Any Means Necessary. And that includes violence, where needed."
Not to mention guiltlessly feasting on the spoils of said activities.
Hayek's ghost is pointing a finger and saying "I told you so!"

Posted by: West at March 27, 2012 05:39 PM (1Rgee)

91 >>I heard a new story this morning about the new photo ID requirements for taking the SAT.

The SAT is racist.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 05:40 PM (ZKzrr)

92 Also a liberal does not believe in a oppressive totalitarian government.

Posted by: jukin at March 27, 2012 05:34 PM (5oKRH)


Check the Supreme Court arguments today.?

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 05:42 PM (MMC8r)

93 Holy shit. He hung around MURDER INC. Look it up. They were responsible for murdering dozens of people.

Posted by: drawandstrike at March 27, 2012 05:43 PM (iGKkt)

94 88 well ,I'm not crazy about another civil war. I keep hoping that it really was kool-aide and it wears off soon.
Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:38 PM (TomZ9)


We've got all the guns. Eric Holder notwithstanding. Uh oh...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:43 PM (Af3Wg)

95 I'm continually amused that so many on the conservative side think we can effectively fight Alinskyism and their march to Hell with Marquess of Queensbury Rules. It may win battles here and there, but looking at our trajectory over the last half century, they'll eventually win the war.Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 05:31 PM (4I3Uo) -----------------This. And once they have critical mass, they will not be gentle with us. 1984 and Brave New World illustrate what lies ahead. Every leftists is a Stalin in hisheart. I just hope they jump the gun and tryto get us before they haveenough might to finish the job. Then we'll be free to do what needs to be done.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:43 PM (jfeoD)

96 I think many of us wouldn't mind if the left kept going on with the "ends justifies ANY means" attitude.



They won't like where that leads. Trust on this one.

Posted by: trump at March 27, 2012 05:35 PM


I love some good snark, but none of "us" (us morons, that is) will find it particularly amusing if the lefties continue their Alinsky/Osama Obama ways.

Ever heard of "collateral damage?" That's the millions of Americans who will suffer as a result of what the Traitor-in-Chief and his radical co-conspirators are trying/planning to do.

Those who shit in their own messkit should be forced to eat therefrom, and let decent Americans live their lives under the guidance and protection of the Constitution.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 27, 2012 05:43 PM (MQc8e)

97 The end justifies the means- that's in the quran, regarding dealing with infidels or furthering muslim ends.

No honor for libs/progs or muslims. Or race baiters.

No honor other than their upside down version, I should say.

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:44 PM (Sptt8)

98 So some organized crime figures let some geek hang out with them and learn all their secrets? Really?

Posted by: davidt at March 27, 2012 05:44 PM (axc/z)

99
74 Well I can almost garruntee it was not for cheating on his SATs to get a higher score
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:33 PM (i6RpT)


Ever hear of Affirmative Action. See: Soetero, Barry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:44 PM (Af3Wg)

100 David Horowitz did a superb fisking of Alinsky and Obama's intellectual relationship with him in a little pamphlet he wrote. It's a throwaway from the David Horowitz Freedom Center, but it is definitely worth reading.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 27, 2012 05:45 PM (nEUpB)

101 The problem with the left isn't their "ends justifies the means" attitude. It's that their "means" AND their "ends" are both insane, unnatural and stupid, and they force them on everyone unlucky enough to be caught in a nation with leftists.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:45 PM (X3lox)

102 You were a bank teller too? It was '96 when I worked as a teller and we still didn't have a coin counter.

Yeah, I was a teller from '98 - 2000 for a State Bank (which sold, while I was there, to Wells Fargo). While under the original ownership, we had the coin counters. Once Wells Fargo took over, they were deemed too expensive, so once they broke, we had to do it by hand.

Which wouldn't have been so bad, but we catered to several small businesses- including one of those nickle-slot places. Roughly $1000.00 in nickels every Tuesday. *shudder*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:45 PM (8y9MW)

103 Also a liberal does not believe in a oppressive totalitarian government.



Posted by: jukin at March 27, 2012 05:34 PM (5oKRH)




Liberals depend on oppressive totalitarian government.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:46 PM (X3lox)

104 “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a baked ziti and nice Manischewitz.”

Posted by: Prof. Lightwork at March 27, 2012 05:46 PM (KWdVT)

105 Mama Trayvone©....was all *boohoo* *sniff* about getting "Justice for my son®".....sitting there, in her $2000 braided hairdo. .....While Daddy Trayvone, was comforting her with his faux "I'm so agrieved®" look on his face.

It was beyond pukeworthy.

I wonder how many hours of professional coaching went on for their performance?

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 05:47 PM (dEMjC)

106 I had that issue of Playboy, but I sold it at a yard sale in 2007. That cover sucked & I had no idea who Saul Alinksy was at the time.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at March 27, 2012 05:47 PM (3wYCm)

107 Mama and Daddy Trayvone© are still together?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 05:50 PM (ZKzrr)

108 Is there any chance Alinsky lied to make himself look tougher?

I'm thinking his experience is as believable as the "women" cited in Sandra Fluke's "testimony".

As believable as, say, Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair, etc.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 27, 2012 05:50 PM (0xqzf)

109 One thing Alinsky left out: Never bring a bag of Skittles to a gun fight.

Posted by: S Daniel at March 27, 2012 05:50 PM (BVkEs)

110 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 05:51 PM (7W3wI)

111 Per Gateway Pundit, R&B artists have cut a tribute to Trayvon.

When you consider all of the other murders since his, it really makes you realize how special he must have been!

We have so much crime in the urban area I sprawled from, there are multiple stories every morning on the news. The police are always actively searching for the perps, sometimes give a partial description, but NEVER give the race. Unless it is white. Do your cities all have similar code

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:52 PM (Sptt8)

112 It's True! I partied with Frank Nitti! Pinky swear!

Posted by: S. Alinsky at March 27, 2012 05:52 PM (axc/z)

113 Mama and Daddy Trayvone© are still together?

Ha. No.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 05:52 PM (MMC8r)

114 Comrade, dear comrade. I am sure I misheard you. Please, repeat your thesis into the muzzle of my pistol. And be sure to speak loudly, as there may be some extraneous noise.

Posted by: Zombie Vasili Blokhin, Servant of the People at March 27, 2012 05:52 PM (FsqHK)

115
One thing this story illustrates is that when people incriminate themselves, you should take them at their word. The man said he admired Satan - the enemy of all mankind, the father of lies, the inspiration for the worst vileness ever perpetrated. People should believe him, and respond accordingly.
It's like the radical feminists who go off on how admirable Eve was for taking the forbidden fruit. They love the evil and depravity in man kind, and are glad it exists. They see ruinous rebellion as good, and they see good (as in conformance to a higher standard of moral authority) as evil.
All Leftists are detestable.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:52 PM (jfeoD)

116 Come on. We're supposed to believe Ace would ever read Playboy for the articles? Particularly issues from the 70s, when women still sported ewok friendly "under fros"?

Posted by: wooga at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (vjyZP)

117
@4: "Unfortunately the radical left has captured the heart and soul of them democratic party and we are at War with radical progressives. We better wake up."

Technically speaking, in order to be "at war," don't *both* sides have to be fighting? The Right simply flees/pre-emptively surrenders.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (FsqHK)

118 I'm thinking his experience is as believable as the "women" cited in Sandra Fluke's "testimony".

I am not entirely sure that Alinsky was lying. Remember, he was into organizing Chicago unions for a while, so it's possible that their paths might have crossed then.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (bjRNS)

119 107 Mama and Daddy Trayvone© are still together?

I don't think so. ....That was the thing. They were certainly 'together' for their performance today.

I wonder if Daddy Trayvone's girlfriend was there too? ....That's who lives in the community where Trayvone© was shot. ....So, they can't get rid of her, can they?

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (dEMjC)

120 88 well ,I'm not crazy about another civil war. I keep hoping that it really was kool-aide and it wears off soon.
------------------------------------

The attitude on our side is that we aren't looking to start it, but we'll damn sure finish it if the other side starts it.

I think that's fair and racism-free.

Posted by: Whitey at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (ETgqz)

121 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:45 PM (8y9MW)

Oh yeah. You never look at cash the same way again. We had the local strip club as an account. Those were some one dollar bills you didn't want to think about too hard.

Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 27, 2012 05:55 PM (tD5no)

122 One thing this story illustrates is

Another thing it illustrates is that Liberals have no conception of the Bible. Lucifer/Satan/The Devil (whatever you want to call him) didn't "gain a kingdom," he was imprisoned. He's not the warden, he's Hannibal Lecter- complete with mask and strapped to a gurney.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:55 PM (8y9MW)

123 Alinsky was probably being facetious,I'm sure he was an atheist

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 05:56 PM (7W3wI)

124 This i why I do not agree with Morons here who say we should not follow Breitbart's (R.I.P.) advice and use Alinsky's tactic against the left. *They* are already engaged in a war to tear us asunder, no holds barred, so it is foolish not to use these means against them.

Posted by: logprof at March 27, 2012 05:56 PM (ykSKg)

125 Good point Allen

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 05:56 PM (5oa/O)

126 so i haven't had the stomach to turn the t.v on in days.
are the progressive media still in approval of vigilantism , and bounty's put out by groups on the head of citizens before they are charged of any crime?

how can they stand themselves will they still keep vigils on the death penalty of someone that murders a slew of children after raping them?

If innocent people of any color are killed during the coming riots , will they be ok if the other aggrieved citizens from those acts of rioting and vigilantism turn and do the same to them without trial of their peers?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2012 05:57 PM (TomZ9)

127
115
One thing this story illustrates is that when people incriminate themselves, you should take them at their word. The man said he admired Satan - the enemy of all mankind, the father of lies, the inspiration for the worst vileness ever perpetrated. People should believe him, and respond accordingly.
It's like the radical feminists who go off on how admirable Eve was for taking the forbidden fruit. They love the evil and depravity in man kind, and are glad it exists. They see ruinous rebellion as good, and they see good (as in conformance to a higher standard of moral authority) as evil.
All Leftists are detestable.


Never heard radical phlegminists mention Eve. But I believe you.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 05:57 PM (YbQJm)

128 We had the local strip club as an account. Those were some one dollar bills you didn't want to think about too hard.

That was another one of ours, too.

The best thing, though, was the smell of the drive-thru. We had so many new bills, it almost always smelled like lemon.

Also the day after thanksgiving. I would sit on my teller stool and yo-yo all day. Well, after the initial rush from 6:30 A to about 8.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:58 PM (8y9MW)

129 Never heard radical phlegminists mention Eve.

The ones I knew latched onto the myth of Lilith, thinking that Eve was a waste for being subservient.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at March 27, 2012 05:58 PM (bjRNS)

130 114
Comrade, dear comrade. I am sure I misheard you. Please, repeat your
thesis into the muzzle of my pistol. And be sure to speak loudly, as
there may be some extraneous noise.

Posted by: Zombie Vasili Blokhin, Servant of the People


pfft, Blokhin was a capitalist tool. I was the real.... wait, I hear a knock at the door. brb

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 05:59 PM (6TB1Z)

Posted by: Lavrenti Beria at March 27, 2012 05:59 PM (6TB1Z)

132 Holy crap - California admitted Stephen Glass to the Bar in January, 2012:

http://is.gd/84UQMF

Nice to know that their moral standards are so high in that state - no doubt he will be a future SC Judge.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 27, 2012 05:59 PM (0xqzf)

133 I don't know who this pep person is, but he is definitely an enemy of the people.

Posted by: Lavrenti Beria at March 27, 2012 06:00 PM (6TB1Z)

134 Nothing to fear.

Posted by: John Mccain at March 27, 2012 06:00 PM (AWmfW)

135 Over on Twitter, Jake Tapper is going off about the tiff between Medvedev and Romney (Really? Why is the Russian President commenting at all? And why is the US Media covering it?). I'm not sure if he thinks it's a reason to vote against Romney, but it actually makes me happier about doing so.

You'll know them by the quality of their enemies, after all.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:01 PM (8y9MW)

136
@51: "When we defeat obama in November he is gonna go bat shit crazy with executive orders. Thankfully most of them can just as easily be reversed by the next Administration."

Of course, they *can* be reversed. They *won't* be, however.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 27, 2012 06:01 PM (FsqHK)

137 At this point, what are conservatives conserving?

Time to think of yourselves as the new radicals.

It is liberating finally being able to hate The Man, now that the Dems are The Man.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 27, 2012 06:01 PM (NVu2l)

138 Another thing it illustrates is that Liberals have no conception of the Bible. Lucifer/Satan/The Devil (whatever you want to call him) didn't "gain a kingdom," he was imprisoned. He's not the warden, he's Hannibal Lecter- complete with mask and strapped to a gurney.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:55 PM (8y9MW) -------------------------I agree in principle, thoughin a sense he's not 100%wrong asSatanis called the prince and powerof the air andis able to work his evil on the earth. But in the end he's going to be suffering along with all those doomed with him. He'll not going to be ruling over them like some kind of vile king.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 06:01 PM (jfeoD)

139
129Never heard radical phlegminists mention Eve.

The ones I knew latched onto the myth of Lilith, thinking that Eve was a waste for being subservient.


Did you ask them to make you a sammich?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 06:02 PM (YbQJm)

140 Technically speaking, in order to be "at war," don't
*both* sides have to be fighting? The Right simply flees/pre-emptively
surrenders.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 27, 2012 05:54 PM (FsqHK)

The right dont think it's a war. But it still is.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (AWmfW)

141 76
from the article:, concerning Alinsky's tactics....and he tied up bank
lines with people who exchanged loads of pennies for $100 bills and vice
versa. Heh. You have to admire this. It's a meat-space DDOS attack.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 27, 2012 05:19 PM (xm1A10)


Oh yes, so admirable. Screwing up the day for ordinary bank-tellers and customers. Was the President of the bank bothered? Nope.

You see this all the time from leftwads. Clogging traffic with their mass bike rallies and banging on people's cars. Occupying a public park for months on end. Raiding a local drug store to show support for Trayvon. Selfish spoiled brat behaviour is the calling card of these nihilists. OregonMuse, leave Portland it's turned your brain into mush.

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (FEzSe)

142 Of course, they *can* be reversed. They *won't* be, however.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches


This crap gets tiresome. If things are so bleak, go get yourself a bunker and quit wasting time here.

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (6TB1Z)

143 You'll know them by the quality of their enemies, after all.

Maxim #29:

"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (bjRNS)

144 thoughin a sense he's not 100%wrong asSatanis called the prince and powerof the air andis able to work his evil on the earth.

Greatest of the Seraphim. Leader of the Celestial Choir. In stature, below only The Most Holy. And his "kingdom," until God takes it away, is Earth.

Yeah. Great trade up, there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (8y9MW)

145
Selfish spoiled brat behaviour is the calling card of these nihilists.


AMEN!

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 06:05 PM (YbQJm)

146 Did you ask them to make you a sammich?

I didn't use those exact words. But they got me the sammich.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at March 27, 2012 06:05 PM (bjRNS)

147 135 Over on Twitter, Jake Tapper is going off about the tiff between Medvedev and Romney (Really? Why is the Russian President commenting at all? And why is the US Media covering it?). I'm not sure if he thinks it's a reason to vote against Romney, but it actually makes me happier about doing so.
You'll know them by the quality of their enemies, after all.


Well, I remember when Putin sounded off about Perry....right after Perry got in the race. ...."America doesn't need another Cowboy" is what Putin said, iirc.

Medvedev and Putin have got Barky right where they want him....eager to please them. .....Romney, they don't know. And he is way to clean for them to have any good dirt on him to blackmail him with.

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 06:06 PM (dEMjC)

148 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:58 PM (8y9MW)

You got new bills !? I suppose we got some, but we didn't do much drive-through business and it's not like I got to hang out in the vault.

John said that between crazy customers and staff conflict there should have been enough material for a decent sit-com. Too bad I'm not a good enough writer to cash in on the idea.

Posted by: Polliwog, Hobbit Teahada at March 27, 2012 06:06 PM (tD5no)

149 67 -

I don't know, I'm still seeing people posting pictures of the 12 year old who got shot, people who are so oblivious to the reality, and probably have no idea the black panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman.

Others have said it better than I, but it's like there are some people who get so invested in their beliefs, they will go to extraordinary lengths to blot out any facts that contradict those beliefs.

So you have poor dead 12 year old Treyvon, poor college student Ms. Fluke, and the misunderstood occupoopers. And on and on and on, ignorance layered on top of bad information on top of naive concepts of justice and fair play.

I can imagine black panther party folks right now saying "I can't believe we're getting away with this!" So the radicals push further, and the ignorant left doubles and triples down on their stupidity.

I don't know... this is starting to resemble a rant, so I'm going to go find my happy place now.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2012 06:06 PM (Gc/Qi)

150
Alinsky replied: “None at all, since there was nothing I could do to stop them from murdering. . . . I was a nonparticipating observer in their professional activities,
"...although I joined their social life of food, drink, and women. Boy, I sure participated in that side of things — it was heaven.”

Actually, that would be Hell.

Posted by: newguy40 at March 27, 2012 06:06 PM (kduZC)

151 And typical of the liberal, ostensibly on the side of the oppressed, underprivileged, your average working Joe, Alinsky is more than ready to forget them for his share of the gravy.
"although I joined their social life of food, drink, and women. Boy, I sure participated in that side of things — it was heaven.”

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at March 27, 2012 06:06 PM (+3fAP)

152 If I had been a tellor when they came in with that shit I would have asked if they had an account. If ye wait until all other customers are serviced then we will take care of you. If no, there's the door jack. Go to your own bank.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:07 PM (YdQQY)

153 If things are so bleak,


Posted by: pep at March 27, 2012 06:03 PM (6TB1Z)


They clearly are.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:07 PM (X3lox)

154
@Meiczyslaw,

"If violence wasn't your last resort, then you didn't resort to enough of it."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 06:08 PM (JDIKC)

155 "Now on a certain day, when the sons of God came to stand before the Lord, Satan also was present among them. And the Lord said to him: Where are you coming from? And he answered and said: I have gone round about the earth, and walked through it.

Posted by: logprof at March 27, 2012 06:08 PM (ykSKg)

156 OTTAWA, Ontario — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that the killing of U.S. and NATO troops by Afghans are sporadic incidents and do not represent a trend that should derail ongoing negotiations with the Afghans on night raid operations and other issues.

No I am sure. The Afghans are wonderful people, salt of the earth. Wish my daughters would bring one home. Yeah right

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:09 PM (i6RpT)

157 Romney told CNN that Russia was “without question our number one geopolitical foe”. He went on: “Russia continues to support Syria, supports Iran, has fought us [over] crippling sanctions we wanted to have the world put in place against Iran. Russia is not a friendly character on the world stage and for this president to be looking for greater flexibility, where he doesn’t have to answer to the American people in his relations with Russia, is very very troubling, very alarming. This is a president who is telling us one thing and is doing something else.”

Today both the White House and Medvedev hit back. Medvedev said Romney’s remarks were “very reminiscent of Hollywood and also of a certain phase in Russian-U.S. relations,” and suggested that he and other Republican candidates check their clocks because “it is now 2012, not the mid-1970s”.

Meanwhile Obama’s press secretary Jay Carney called Romney’s remarks “a little inaccurate”, and claimed the relationship that Obama had established with Russia had “born a great deal of fruit, including Russia’s cooperation with China at the United Nations in sanctioning Iran”.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 06:11 PM (7W3wI)

158 The decision on Ocare will not end well either way it goes. The election in Nov. will not end well either way it goes. I am very afraid for my country.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2012 06:11 PM (Nl2C4)

159 Alinsky was probably being facetious,I'm sure he was an atheistPosted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 05:56 PM (7W3wI) --------------------Oh, I'm sure you're right. But consider the principle he was expressing. It was the idea that rebellion, even against what wasgood, right, and moral, is always good. It's the mentality ofa person who is a wrecker. As Alfred said, some men just want to watch the world burn. Alinsky was one.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 06:11 PM (jfeoD)

160 "Experimenting" with marijuana is taking a toke on someone else"s joint.

Possession of a pipe to smoke marijuana suggests a deeper habit.

Another fail by Trayvon's parents(c) lawyers.

Posted by: Whitey at March 27, 2012 06:12 PM (ETgqz)

161 Wonder what Alinsky would think of the Occupoop vermin? Publicly endorse, privately loathe?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 27, 2012 06:13 PM (YbQJm)

162 The decision on Ocare will not end well either way it goes. The election in Nov. will not end well either way it goes. I am very afraid for my country.
Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2012 06:11 PM (Nl2C4)

Soona you need to chill out a bit. My advice, talk to Dr. Jack Daniels.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:13 PM (i6RpT)

163
AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:55 PM (8y9MW) ----------
.,.,
"Have you ever read Milton, Captain?"
-Khan
...
(Star Trek episode unknown)

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:13 PM (Usk3+)

164 163 Space Seed.The only episode with Khan.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 06:15 PM (7W3wI)

165 So....Medvedev and Putin have reversed roles now? ....Medvedev is the yap-dog in charge of waging the propaganda war on us....while Putin sits back and acts 'presidential'?

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 06:15 PM (dEMjC)

166 152
If I had been a tellor when they came in with that shit I would have
asked if they had an account. If ye wait until all other customers are
serviced then we will take care of you. If no, there's the door jack. Go
to your own bank.


Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:07 PM (YdQQY)


At my teen job at a convenience store in a crappy neighbourhood I learned the weights of coins. Then when bums came in to buy smokes and AquaVelva with a pile of pennies I didn't have to waste time. Just put them on the deli-scales.

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 06:16 PM (FEzSe)

167
"Have you ever read Milton, Captain?"
-Khan


Isn't he the guy with the stapler that kept saying 'I could set the building on fire?'

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 06:16 PM (MMC8r)

168
The video of the demonstration that turned into a looting session was justcharming. Some idiots dropped their student ids while ransacking.
Coming to a WalGreens by you soon.

Posted by: Who Knows at March 27, 2012 06:17 PM (W+Itt)

169 Alinsky replied: “None at all, since there was nothing I could do to stop them from murdering.

Um, let's see here, he was a trusted assistant of the top men in Capone's mob, maybe, just maybe, he could have gone to the police with lots of information that only a trusted assistant would have like who murdered who and when they did it and where they would be so they could be arrested? I know, crazy talk, just spitballin' here.

Posted by: booger at March 27, 2012 06:17 PM (HI6wa)

170 >>radical phlegminists

NICE.

>>the police are always actively searching for the perps, sometimes give a partial description, but NEVER give the race.

Sometimes the police put race in the description but the media embargoes that part of it. Kind of a running joke around Milwaukee, all these young men running around with no skin.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:17 PM (ZKzrr)

171
"Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that the killing of U.S. and NATO troops by Afghans are sporadic incidents..."
...
If we had a decent media, we wouldhave the following information reported:
The number of normal combat deaths compared to the number of "traitorous friendly fire" deaths since the Koran burning.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:18 PM (Usk3+)

172 Have you ever read Milton, Captain
---------------------


Season one, episode 23, Space Seed.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:19 PM (YdQQY)

173 I agree with the radicals on this count; they are the enemy, and must be defeated by any means at hand, which naturally includes the use of unlimited violence if necessary to gain that radical defeat. I believe I stand in good stead with the founding fathers on that issue. Their aim is the overthrow of our constitutional republic, and that makes them mortal enemies of any American.
Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2012 05:28 PM (OlN4e)

THIS!! I'm with you maddog. Shoulder to shoulder.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 27, 2012 06:19 PM (+Uv5V)

174 BTW, if any Morons here present have not yet read the "Vetting" column about the Love Song for Alinsky on breitbart.com, hie there in haste.

(You'll also learn where we got the sobriquet "Baraka")

Posted by: logprof at March 27, 2012 06:19 PM (ykSKg)

175 The number of normal combat deaths compared to the number of "traitorous friendly fire" deaths since the Koran burning [apologies].

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:18 PM (Usk3+)


It's the apologizing that really gets the muslims ramped up.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:20 PM (X3lox)

176 >>I know, crazy talk, just spitballin' here.

That wouldn't have stopped the murderin', but it would have spurred one additional murder.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:20 PM (ZKzrr)

177
Thanks steevy. Dependable as ever...
...
Have you mentioned anything about Obama lately?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:20 PM (Usk3+)

178 Vic, that steevy is fast, no?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:21 PM (Usk3+)

179 THE biggest problem with this sort of approach is that it turns everyone against you in the end. If you are abusive, satirical, undercutting, and mocking toward someone long enough, they'll take a swing at you. It undermines society and destroys civilization for one side in politics to regularly do this.

The other side starts reacting like an alcoholic's spouse, defensive, angry, and overreacting to the slightest thing, because they know what's behind it and why. You cannot sustain a civilization like that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 27, 2012 06:21 PM (r4wIV)

180 Sometimes the police put race in the description but the media embargoes that part of it. Kind of a running joke around Milwaukee, all these young men running around with no skin.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:17 PM (ZKzrr) ---------------------LOL. If race isn't mentioned, it's still clearly communicated. The police, or wheover, does this to avoid seeming racist. All they really accomplish is to make "black" the default race for all incidents, where the only time it is needful to mention race is if it is something OTHER than black. Seems counterproductive to me.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 06:22 PM (jfeoD)

181 That wouldn't have stopped the murderin', but it would have spurred one additional murder.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:20 PM (ZKzrr)

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 06:22 PM (FEzSe)

182 I"m raping that radical like he owes me blood money.

Posted by: SATAN at March 27, 2012 06:22 PM (KNvk+)

183 You cannot sustain a civilization like that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 27, 2012 06:21 PM (r4wIV)

You say that like that's not the whole point.

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 06:23 PM (FEzSe)

184 Vic, that steevy is fast, no?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:21 PM (Usk3+)
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LOL, I should have seen that in the next post but I didn't read down any until after I posted mine after looking up which season it was in.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:23 PM (YdQQY)

185
It's the apologizing that really gets the muslims ramped up.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:20 PM (X3lox)
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I don't think that's it, thoughit's certainlya deplorable thing for Obama to do. I think their news just travels a little slower and it takes them a little longer to really get going.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:24 PM (Usk3+)

186 170 >>radical phlegminists

NICE.

I know. Me likey too. ....Should be used again, and often.
>>the police are always actively searching for the perps, sometimes give a partial description, but NEVER give the race.
Sometimes the police put race in the description but the media embargoes that part of it. Kind of a running joke around Milwaukee, all these young men running around with no skin.

Unless it's 'white' skin.....then they mention it. .....Personally I'm 'pink'. Most of us who are labeled 'white', are in fact, some shade of 'pink' or 'tan'. .....Where is that official Color Chart....do pink or tan people get to be Professionally Aggrieved?

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 06:27 PM (dEMjC)

187 >>You say that like it's a bad thing.

Alinsky would have found it a bad thing, which is why he did nothing.

He and his students will sacrifice anyone and everyone else, but they're not going to put their own asses in serious danger for anything. Even all those OWSturds patting themselves on the back for being so "brave" in the face of "police brutality" dragging them out for a hose-down know they're not actually going to be tortured or killed by law enforcement.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:27 PM (ZKzrr)

188 I always thought it interesting that Rodenberry (sp?) was supposed to be quite liberal, yet he killed off the stupid, most radical hippie in that episode that steevy can quickly identify....

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:28 PM (Usk3+)

189 Every day seems touncover enough bad behavior by the Dems or their heroes to make daily RNC ads from now to November. Too bad Breitbart is gone, because the Republicans don't seem to have anough balls to even mention any ofit, much less beat the Dems about the head and shoulders with it, which is what they so richlydeserve.

Posted by: sherlock at March 27, 2012 06:29 PM (JYBAr)

190 Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Alinsky! I was makin' my bones when you were goin' out with cheerleaders!!

Posted by: Saul "Moe" Alinsky at March 27, 2012 06:30 PM (Y+DPZ)

191 I don't think that's it, thoughit's certainlya
deplorable thing for Obama to do. I think their news just travels a
little slower and it takes them a little longer to really get going.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 27, 2012 06:24 PM (Usk3+)


They attack weakness. Weakness offends them, to begin with - worse than the anything about the koran, which most of them can't read and know little about, anyway.

Part of the West's major problem in dealing with muslims is that we don't understand this. If we don't fight them in a serious manner, but instead make it a joke by holding both hands behind our back, that absolutely enrages them. THey don't mind being beat senseless by a vicious enemy - they do it to themselves all the time - but they can't stand being beaten by someone as a mere afterthought. When we apologize to them, they see our weakness AND they lose all military respect for us. It eggs them on from both sides. And muslims have the sorts of cultures that go off on hair-triggers (part of the desert arab nature of arab culture that islam formalizes and spreads).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:30 PM (X3lox)

192 Soona you need to chill out a bit. My advice, talk to Dr. Jack Daniels.
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:13 PM (i6RpT)

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I know. I should be optomistic. I mean, the majority of Americans would never let a 25% minority of leftist radicals run this country. Am I right?

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2012 06:31 PM (Nl2C4)

193 Alinsky relied on the basic decency of the American people to get away with his bullshit. Otherwise his cultists would have ended up with higher body counts than the soldiers they spit on. And Alinsky would have gotten a Moe Green special

Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2012 06:33 PM (Y+DPZ)

194 I know. I should be optomistic. I mean, the majority of Americans would never let a 25% minority of leftist radicals run this country. Am I right?Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2012 06:31 PM (Nl2C4) -------------------Well, it's not that you should be optimistic per se, but leaving the anger/despair cranked up to 10 too long can be bad for ya. Hate/anger are about the only two emotions I have left these days, and even I need to take a drink and let it go sometimes. Sometimes the only right thing to say is "Fuck it."And with that, I think I'll go drink.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 06:36 PM (jfeoD)

195 I think Alinsky was exaggerating or outright lying about his time with the Capone Mafia

A lot of those guys were still around in 1972, and they didn't like folks talking about it. Especially an outsider Jew

First rule of La Cosa Nostra; You don't talk about La Cosa Nostra

Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2012 06:40 PM (Y+DPZ)

196 Alinsky's rationalization for hanging around mobsters reminds me of Soros' rationalization for collaborating with Nazis.

It reminded me of that too, actually.

Posted by: Entropy at March 27, 2012 06:47 PM (Ci0JG)

197 -------------------Well, it's not that you should be optimistic per se, but leaving the anger/despair cranked up to 10 too long can be bad for ya. Hate/anger are about the only two emotions I have left these days, and even I need to take a drink and let it go sometimes. Sometimes the only right thing to say is "Fuck it."And with that, I think I'll go drink.
Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 06:36 PM (jfeoD)

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I live my life well and it's full of good things and good friends and I'm very much enjoying myself. All I was doing is pointing out is that no matter what our victories will seem to be, there will be strife no matter which way the worm turns.
And, yes, I'm very much afraid for my country. And, no, I'm not going to drink to forget about it, no matter how temporary that relief is. It will all be there where I left it when I sober up. So that's kind of a losing proposition from the beginning.

Posted by: Soona at March 27, 2012 06:48 PM (Nl2C4)

198
193Alinsky relied on the basic decency of the American people to get away with his bullshit.

Yep. Ask Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht about how that shit worked out for them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 27, 2012 06:55 PM (kBe37)

199 Alinsky's rationalization for hanging around mobsters reminds me of Soros' rationalization for collaborating with Nazis.

Strangely enough I read somewhere some guidelines for OSS agents working in Nazi Germany that sounded a lot like Rules. He wasn't as original as he's usually given credit for being.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 06:57 PM (m2aLJ)

200 JJ Sefton: "Sauly Walnuts" is excellent. I'll try to remember to use that in all my future references to him.

Posted by: The Chap, etc. at March 27, 2012 07:18 PM (fscec)

201 There was nothing original about Rules for Radicals other than compiling and clearly stating stuff people had long believed and used.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 27, 2012 07:26 PM (r4wIV)

202

It's too bad old Saul didn't get hit by Eliot Ness

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2012 07:29 PM (H0nPD)

203 So Saul Alinksky's followers are basically the Iotians from "A Piece of the Action." I suggest we all get familiar with the rules of Fizzbin.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 27, 2012 07:53 PM (i0App)

204
Harlan Ellison always insisted that he went undercover and joined a street gang to research his book on the subject, and Freakonomics featured an economist who talked a minor-league drug-dealing operation into letting him observe, study, and write about their activities, so I guess it's not entirely beyond the pale that Alinsky might have ingratiated himself enough with the Chicago Outfit to become a tag-along.

But still it strains credulity to think that they would be willing to let this guy witness shakedowns, rub-outs, and the nexus of connections the Outfit had with other, more "respectable" people with never a thought of how this might come back to haunt them later. Unless, of course, they had something on Alinsky that guaranteed he'd never reveal anything, or else Alinsky had someone major-league in his corner that they didn't care to offend.

It's puzzling - this definitely bears some further investigation.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at March 27, 2012 08:00 PM (pYA5L)

205
It's too bad old Saul didn't get hit by Eliot Ness

I'd prefer his getting hit by Al Capone. He swung a mean Louisville slugger.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 27, 2012 08:01 PM (kBe37)

206
@94: "We've got all the guns"

Except for the military, law enforcement (state and Fed), and all of the armed Fed agencies. Those guns are all firmly incontrol of the Left at present.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 27, 2012 08:22 PM (FsqHK)

207 There are rules of good behavior, within a society. There are lesser rules of good behavior owed to foreign actors (as in a war against an alien state). But within the actual "family," a higher standard of conduct is required towards one's fellow citizens.
The leftwing radical of course holds the opposite -- nearly every leftwinger believes that war against foreign states is somehow illegal, and that we owe greater standards of good conduct to those outside the family.

Sauly Walnuts and hislittle demons are really going against the mafia ruleswith that one. The mob requires a higherstandard of conduct to those withinthe family than those without.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at March 27, 2012 08:33 PM (OxKj2)

208 Harlan Ellison always insisted that he went undercover and joined a street gang to research his book on the subject, and Freakonomics featured an economist who talked a minor-league drug-dealing operation into letting him observe,

I think people who have looked into Ellison have found that alot of that stuff could never have happened and was basically total fiction.

As for minor-league drug-dealing, it would depend, a lot of those guys aren't remotely violent. They're smugglers and bootleggers, not unlike the founders of NASCAR.

I've seen that on cable TV. Especially in the last few years, with it being legal in some places, you get documentary crews rolling through the greenhouses. But even before that, you'd get fuzzed out TV interviews with hooded gangbangers (including violent ones) once in a while.

At any rate, whether he's lying or telling the truth, it doesn't make me think much of him either way to have associated with the likes of Capone and a bunch of depression-era mob hitmen.

Posted by: Entropy at March 27, 2012 09:58 PM (Ci0JG)

209
Entropy - good points all. I hadn't heard that about Ellison, but I do confess I was always a bit skeptical about some of the details he put out there about his early life, and the welter of different stories about how he got dismissed from his job at Disney indicates that he might not be above a bit of embellishment.

But the idea of someone sweet-talking his way into the Chicago Mob and becoming their special ride-along buddy and trusted witness to all their hijinks - if true, it's fascinating. How did he pull it off? Why did they let him do it? How did he manage to survive the experience? Was he such a reckless personality, with no disregard for his own life and well-being, that Capone and company recognized a kindred spirit? Did he have an inside angle that made him untouchable (so to speak)?

Like I say, it's something that's got to be dug into further, either to debunk it or uncover a really bizarre sidelight of America's underworld history.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at March 27, 2012 10:29 PM (pYA5L)

210 "Except for the military, law enforcement (state and Fed), and all of the armed Fed agencies. Those guns are all firmly incontrol of the Left at present."

And most of them are with us. At least, the guys with the guns in those groups are. The union reps, the bureaucrats, the brass... not so often them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 27, 2012 11:27 PM (r4wIV)

211 Why am I not surprised that Alinsky has a lot in common with George "Nazi collaborator" Soros?

Posted by: JohnJ at March 28, 2012 01:04 AM (Tt6ky)

212 186 170 >>
>>the police are always actively searching for the perps, sometimes give a partial description, but NEVER give the race.


Unless it's 'white' skin.....then they mention it. .....Personally
I'm 'pink'. Most of us who are labeled 'white', are in fact, some shade
of 'pink' or 'tan'. .....Where is that official Color Chart....do pink
or tan people get to be Professionally Aggrieved?

*
*
Personally I consider myself to be "ecru."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 28, 2012 12:49 PM (exvgC)

213 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

Posted by: Bear Meets Girl ePub at March 28, 2012 10:22 PM (VdybU)

214 And people wonder where antisemitism comes from.

Posted by: PacRim Jim at March 29, 2012 07:43 PM (yow1m)






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