Top Headline Comments 3-19-12

G'morning.

Doctors say they do more vasectomies during March Madness than at other times of the year. It gives the guys a reason to sit on the couch for three days while the games are on.

"Senator Puertorriqueño" didn't even get enough votes in Puerto Rico to trigger proportional awarding of delegates. Instead, Romney took all 20. It was not close. Question: was there any reason to believe Puerto Rico was in play before Santorum's English-language trainwreck?

Speaking of wasted trips, Santorum was at Tony Perkins' house yesterday to speak to dozens of pastors about social issues and urge them to tell their parishioners to vote for him. Has Santorum been slipping among evangelical voters and I missed it? When does he reach out to the voters he hasn't clinched yet?

NYPD is investigating a tweet from the "mostly peaceful" OWSer to "kill a cop" to "make a difference." Panicked fellow protests that he wasn't serious and, anyway, can't kill cops because he lives in Florida, or something.

Not even the WaPo Factchecker could stomach the claims made in the Presidential puff-piece documentary. Gave it three Pinocchios.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:51 AM



Comments

1 hola!

Posted by: dogfish at March 19, 2012 06:53 AM (N2yhW)

2 Good Morning Morons. It's Monday, March 19, 2012. On this day in 1918 the U.S. congress established time zones and DST. Screw them.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:53 AM (YdQQY)

3 Media matters has ties to Al Jyz-eera network?

http://is.gd/GE00Gt

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

4 Holder wanted to brainwash people with propaganda against guns in 1995. I guess he found that that strategy was shit, especially when his boy Obama was in power. That caused American to buy guns at record rates. So he invented Fast and Furious to give a fig leaf for new gun control by executive fiat.

http://is.gd/GrGrl3

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

5 Chicago GOP riddled with Dem operatives. Gee who woulda thunk it? I wonder if that's our problem in Congress?

http://is.gd/xDzDdw

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

6 BB describes how the Paulbots shutdown the MO caucuses at one location. A repeat of 2008. I suppose if I was in the Republican Party in MO I would be seeking ways to permanently ban the Paul crowd from caucuses. But a better solution would be to eliminate caucuses all together anyway.

http://is.gd/Ir8lFI

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:55 AM (YdQQY)

7 Since Monty no longer gives us the evil doom kitteh, how about this one.

http://is.gd/CriSKk

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:55 AM (YdQQY)

8 Well, that's it for the news today. It's Monday so not much out there. And no, I am not going to talk about Mutt getting ALL the PR delegates.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:55 AM (YdQQY)

9 Tony Perkins? From the Bates Motel?

Never mind.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 06:55 AM (Af3Wg)

10
...wonder if that's our problem in Congress?


Yes.

Posted by: dogfish at March 19, 2012 06:57 AM (N2yhW)

11 Well Gabe, I see you are igniting the Mutt v Sanatarium blood wars again this morning.

As for PR, Sanatarium probably never had a chance there anyway. This is an area not known for its "conservatism".

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 06:58 AM (YdQQY)

12 The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 19, 2012 07:01 AM (+zL0z)

13 Question: was there any reason to believe Puerto Rico was in play before Santorum's English-language trainwreck?

Yes, he was able to easily break Romney's lead down to under 50% but his big fat mouth was more than enough to kill any hope there. Especially Puerto Rico is dominantly Catholic and Santorum is a catholic. He could have played advertisements there taking about their relationship to him and the same values they hold together. But NOPE. English is the #1 priority. Stopping Porn? Important Marriage? Important. Opposing Gay Marriage? Important. Making sure not one sperm is wasted? Important. Economy? Not so important.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 07:02 AM (et2m1)

14 To say that the SCOAMF is a liar is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

As for the WaPo slamming the Obama/Triumph of the Will film, let me know when they endorse his challenger next October.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 07:02 AM (Af3Wg)

15 But a better solution would be to eliminate caucuses all together anyway.

The states that do caucuses do it for the reason that it is extremely inexpensive. Washington GOP changed to caucus system because it saved them a crap load of money.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 07:03 AM (et2m1)

16 The states that do caucuses do it for the reason that it is extremely inexpensive.
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No, they do it because it is easier for the State Party bosses to control the outcome.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)

17 No, they do it because it is easier for the State Party bosses to control the outcome.

You're right. You certainly participated in the Washington caucus.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 07:08 AM (et2m1)

18 Why Missouri had a caucus. They had an early primary (the thing Santorum won) but they wanted to move it after the RNC said they would lose half their delegates. The dem governor vetoed the date change, so they ended up having the primary which functioned as a straw poll, and had to go with the caucus, since they couldn't have 2 primaries.

Delegates chosen yesterday are delegates who will choose MORE delegates at the state convention. So it is still not over.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 19, 2012 07:08 AM (GoIUi)

19 Four dead outside Jewish School in France. One Adult, threee children.More hugs and kisses from the religion of peace I guess.

Posted by: hobbes at March 19, 2012 07:08 AM (OSbed)

20
"Has Santorum been slipping among evangelical voters and I missed it?"
Actually, he has.A closer look at the numbers show that Rick underperformed inAlabama and Mississippi given the make up of those states. Mitt's actually in a much better position than he's being credited for by pundits, certainly as compared to Obama at this point in 2008 ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt


Posted by: ombdz at March 19, 2012 07:09 AM (2DpoY)

21 Oh sure, Gabe would report the results in Puerto Rico as a big win for Romney. Because he's a Romneybot, and because of gay marriage, but mostly gay marriage.

He's nothing but a big gay marriage Romneybot if you think about it, which, when stated that way makes him a single issue voter, and not in a good way like us anti-gay or anti-abortion single issue voters.

Single issue voter!

Posted by: Pre-empting the socon brigade that will inevitably arrive here at March 19, 2012 07:11 AM (kbuN7)

22 @20 Don't forget that if Gingrich were to drop out right now, it would be split evenly between the two candidates according to exit polls. Despite the fact that "conservative" vote is greater than Romney vote total, the poll shows that Santorum would win if it was between Romney and Santorum is not likely.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 07:12 AM (et2m1)

23 Yes I am sure you "think" you have a say-so in who the Republican nominee is. That is why it is likely to be a nominee that 70% of Republicans hate.

Its 2008 all over again. Standby for Republican Party becoming the Whig Party.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:17 AM (YdQQY)

24 As regards to dem operatives in the Chicago GOP,
The best way to take down or co-opt an organization
Is from within.

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:17 AM (j0IcY)

25 Just saw that John Demjanjuk - more than likely to have been the infamous Ivan the Terrible at the Treblinka death camp - died of natural causes and a free man.

a) Pat Buchanan I'm sure will be in mourning and

b) The Israeli courts suck worse than ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 07:18 AM (Af3Wg)

26 Posted by: Pre-empting the socon brigade that will inevitably arrive here at March 19, 2012 07:11 AM (kbuN7)
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And how about we do one thread without all the bullshit gay bashing. This shit does get old after a while.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:18 AM (YdQQY)

27 When reading the scummy bullshit that the Propagandumentary is peddling, I can almost envision Barry and Michelle wishing that one of the children would get a near-fatal disease. Or at least something to help them gain sympathy.

"THINK MICHELLE!! Should we throw Bo in front of a bus?"

Posted by: Lars Groteballen at March 19, 2012 07:19 AM (tQuYe)

28 What's the smallest school left in the tournament?

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 07:19 AM (v9wwx)

29 My wife is a Newt supporter, and hates Saint Rick. And since she learned of Rick's wife's bizarre past she hates her even more (my wife is very hard on the candidates' wives for reasons I don't fully understand).

So, if Newt gets out she's flipping to Romney, even though she thinks he has the same fatal flaws as most Republicans, namely, that he's too nice to really go after Obama and too squishy in his beliefs to really define himself. She says Obama may be a dick but there's no misunderstanding where he stands.

My wife is smart but has only a superficial understanding of politics (a lot of "who's he?" and "what do they do?" type conversations come election season). Still, she's intuitively right most of the time.

And, oh yeah, the way she sees this playing out? Romney gets the nomination before the convention but then loses to Obama in November. Smart woman the missus.

Posted by: Please end this at March 19, 2012 07:20 AM (kbuN7)

30 It is true that any organization that is not explicitly
Conservative will overtime become liberal.

I have a friend that is on a volunteer ambulance
Squad, which is non-partisan, they have
Had to beat back a takeover from liberals
From within. A. Volunteer. Ambulance. Squad!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:21 AM (j0IcY)

31 And how about we do one thread without all the bullshit gay bashing.

That would absolutely make my day, Vic. The right to be left alone if you're not hurting someone else should be a core conservative principle.

Posted by: Pre-empting the socon brigade that will inevitably arrive here at March 19, 2012 07:25 AM (kbuN7)

32 As for the WaPo slamming the Obama/Triumph of the Will film

Heh.

@21 Beat me to it.

Yes I am sure you "think" you have a say-so in who the Republican nominee is.

This is the same argument that the "What's the matter with Kansas?" guy made. Who knew we were such dupes?

Posted by: pep at March 19, 2012 07:25 AM (YXmuI)

33 And, oh yeah, the way she sees this playing out? Romney gets the
nomination before the convention but then loses to Obama in November.
Smart woman the missus.
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I don't see any of the final four beating Obama in the end. What I see is Mutt getting the nod. He gets a boost ion the polls following the convention. The MFM goes into full attack mode. Meanwhile one of the biggest issues against OBama is taken off the table, Obamacare.

Mutt loses about 1% of the party base vote in NC, VA, and OH which are key swing States now and Obama takes it again.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

34 same fatal flaws as most Republicans, namely, that he's too nice to really go after Obama

Ask her if Newt agrees that Romney is too nice to go after someone.

Posted by: pep at March 19, 2012 07:27 AM (YXmuI)

35 This is the same argument that the "What's the matter with Kansas?" guy made. Who knew we were such dupes?


Posted by: pep at March 19, 2012 07:25 AM (YXmuI)
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The proof is in the pudding. And yes we are dupes. Once again we have allowed the MFM and the Party to chose our candidate.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:28 AM (YdQQY)

36 I heard there's a Santorum sex tape...he inadvertently opened the Sports Illustrated swim suit edition and jizzed in his pants.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 07:28 AM (GgPLE)

37 On this date in 1935, the British fired on 20,000 Muslims in India, killing 23.

They should have practiced more.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at March 19, 2012 07:29 AM (b6FgX)

38 When I learned that PBHO had selected North Carolina as his national champion, I quickly changed my selection from NC to Ohio State. I told my co-workers that my only reason for doing so was PBHO and the fact that everything he touches turns to crap. This weekend, only one team lost their point guard due to a broken wrist. Can you guess which one?

Posted by: Dredford at March 19, 2012 07:29 AM (vWOri)

39 OK, that joke sucked. Dang.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 07:31 AM (GgPLE)

40 I have persuasive evidence that if Gingrich and Santoria ("what?") both dropped out of the "race," there would still be a 50/50 split.

Posted by: comatus at March 19, 2012 07:32 AM (ZOlM3)

41 28 What's the smallest school left in the tournament?
Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 07:19 AM (v9wwx)


I'm going to guess Xavier.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at March 19, 2012 07:35 AM (b6FgX)

42
BIG NEWS:

Katy Couric is going to have her own talk show!

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 07:37 AM (7+pP9)

43
42
BIG NEWS:

Katy Couric is going to have her own talk show!


Is she still perky and au courant? Jeebus these shrews never go away for good.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at March 19, 2012 07:41 AM (ursbV)

44 Gabe is a perfect Romney guy, he doesn't seem to want his natural constituents to like him either.

It doesn't matter, we don't come here for Gabe's commentary. We come here in spite of it. I mean, where else are we going to go? Huffington Post?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 19, 2012 07:43 AM (Gc/Qi)

45 @43
Have you seen what they pay me?

Posted by: Katie Couric at March 19, 2012 07:47 AM (YXmuI)

46 36 -

Honestly, does Mr. Electability think it helps his case to be going after Santorum at this point? Do these people have a blind spot regarding how elections work?

You people do know there really are conservatives who have no intention of voting for Romney, don't you. While you're gloating over the fact that Santorum is not going to beat your guy, there is work to be done. Namely, you nimrods have to figure out a way to entice people who haven't been on your bandwagon, to get on!

Why aren't you doing it? Is it because you really don't want to win this election? Or do you really hate social cons that much? Either way, I fear the result will be the same.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 19, 2012 07:49 AM (Gc/Qi)

47 @44

That is true, where are we going to go?

It's a shame that LGF went bonkers some time ago. That was a daily stop.

Protein Wisdom is good but the high fallutin' language that Jeff and the commentators use can be off putting.

Hot Air is a joke.

Not many options.

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:49 AM (j0IcY)

48 Remember that mitt is a moon bishop. The mormons do well in converts in Latin America. The church takes a strong but supposedly unofficial stats towards illegal immigrants and other spanish speakers to promote this. Take this as a warning on dealing with immigration in a Romney admin

Posted by: Dirtyjobsguy at March 19, 2012 07:50 AM (BfWBl)

49 Katy Couric is going to have her own talk show!
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 07:37 AM (7+pP9)


Katy COURVAH. For you Yiddish speaking morons.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 07:54 AM (Af3Wg)

50 @36

Mr. Electability and the GOP do not care about Conservatives or what they want.

We have been telling communicating to them our wishes and desires, they have told us to go pund sand. They don't want our vote.

I will vote for the clown because what are my options?

NONE!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:54 AM (j0IcY)

51

Well, I guess Puerto Rico is a lock in November. Add zero electoral votes to our total....



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 07:54 AM (kdS6q)

52 Economy? Not so important.


Mitt told Hannity that the economy is in "recovery mode" on Friday, so it's not like he's running on it.


http://tinyurl.com/6lul8vt


Don't worry--between Mitt's money and Rick's missteps, you'll have Romney as the standard bearer in November. Not that you'll have any issues to run on, thanks to said standard bearer, but at least you'll have him.


Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 19, 2012 07:54 AM (B0893)

53 I have to say, typing posts on an igizmo sucks!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:55 AM (j0IcY)

54 Ha ha, Kaitan your funny. Santorum should have talked up his shared Catholic values with PR voters but not mention marriage and society's degradation of it.

Your a funny one.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at March 19, 2012 07:57 AM (caupe)

55 Mitt told Hannity that the economy is in "recovery mode" on Friday, so it's not like he's running on it.
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The two major issues of this campaign, obamacare and the economy and Mutt has taken them both off the table. This is the second time he has spouted this shit about the economy improving based on bull shit Obama numbers.


This is sounding more and more like "you have nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency" and 2008.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

56 How are you doing today Vic?

Posted by: stu at March 19, 2012 07:58 AM (uhPd1)

57
Obama Faith Advisor Criticizes Syria’s Assad For Not Being Able To Deliver “Resistance To Israel”…

Dalia Mogahed, a member of President Barack Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, is fighting controversy over her online remarks about Israel.

On March 10, Mogahed tweeted her opposition to embattled Syrian ruler Bashar al-Assad, listing as one of his flaws the allegation that he “cannot deliver…resistance to Israel,” though Syria has been implacably hostile to Israel for decades.

http://tinyurl.com/7q8jj9q

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 07:58 AM (7+pP9)

58 @52

I just give up.

If the GOP candidate thinks the economy is recovering then what is going to be the rationale to vote for him.

He can handle the recovery better?

And if the economy is recovering then Obama is truly a genius as he has apparently been able to change the very nature of capitalism and economic theory!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:58 AM (j0IcY)

59

He was never going to win Puerto Rico anyway.

The Establishment already decided Romney gets Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico is a Mormon-dominated island.

Just trying to round out my list of reasons Santorum lost, other than his shitriffic performance there.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 07:59 AM (DiqH3)

60 Namely, you nimrods have to figure out a way to entice people who haven't been on your bandwagon, to get on!



Why aren't you doing it? Is it because you really don't want to win
this election? Or do you really hate social cons that much? Either
way, I fear the result will be the same.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 19, 2012 07:49 AM



Yep.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 07:59 AM (P6QsQ)

61
I have to say, typing posts on an igizmo sucks!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 07:55 AM (j0IcY)


I got a stylus from Amazon that cost about two dollars and it makes typing much easier. And it's small enough to sit sideways at the bottom of my shirt pocket.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 08:02 AM (7+pP9)

62 And I really have to give it to Obama and his crew, they can literally get away with doing and saying anything.

And the GOP will back him up!

I have said this before, they created their own statistic Job Saved or Created.

I mean it's a thing of beauty. It can't be challenged, it's impervious to analysis.

It's the perfect statistic.

DOOMED WE ARE!

Posted by: McLovin at March 19, 2012 08:02 AM (j0IcY)

63 @47 Hot Air is a joke.



Not many options.


AOSHQ, Goldstein lite

Posted by: Panzer Trout at March 19, 2012 08:02 AM (j5CHE)

64 The two major issues of this campaign, obamacare and the economy and
Mutt has taken them both off the table. This is the second time he has
spouted this shit about the economy improving based on bull shit Obama
numbers.



But don't forget energy production (he's Mr. Cap-and-Trade) and religious liberty (he forced Catholic hospitals to issue Plan B in 2005).


I'm not sure what he's going to run on at this point, but I'm sure it's going to be a winner.


Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 19, 2012 08:02 AM (B0893)

65 Just trying to round out my list of reasons Santorum lost, other than his shitriffic performance there.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 07:59 AM (DiqH3)
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Yes he was shitty. But as I said, PR is hardly a bastion of conservatism. It is natural Mutt territory.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

66 "Mr. Electability and the GOP do not care about Conservatives or what they want."

Conservative now means big government Catholicism.

No porn, but you do get a union job working on windmills.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:03 AM (GgPLE)

67 If someone had the view that the economy is cyclical, and it recessed and expanded in waves, he might identify this point in time as movement toward expansion. He might also point out that having a complete dumbass in the White House, who is absolutely and unmistakably anti-fossil fuel, could flatten out this point in the cycle.

It would require a voting public with a little more economic acumen, which could be dangerous.

Posted by: Lars Groteballen at March 19, 2012 08:06 AM (tQuYe)

68 I like these arguments. Both candidates suck.

I just want the one who can sound reasonable and "likeable" so the low information voters will consider him. That's debatable as to who that is.

Each guy have baggage and gaffes.

I wonder if we should just call this election a loss, but get Newt to run against the media instead...that might actually produce better long term results.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:06 AM (GgPLE)

69
@59

Romney endorsing statehood for Puerto Rico helped him.

Of course, that would mean two more Democratic Senate seats for life. Which also gives a big boost to DC statehood, so make that four Blue seats total.

So, good idea Mitt.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 08:07 AM (kdS6q)

70 Santorum has now come out against more oil production. Someone told him oil-based lubricants were used for sex.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:07 AM (GgPLE)

71 Who thinks the next generation is screwed?

Posted by: stu at March 19, 2012 08:08 AM (uhPd1)

72 Conservative now means big government Catholicism.



"Severely conservative" means forcing you to buy health insurance, crippling energy development with cap and trade, saying the economy is in "recovery mode" and forcing religious hospitals to chuck their free exercise protection.


Which, unlike your lurid, Chiniquy-ish imagination, actually happens to be the case with your preferred candidate.





Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 19, 2012 08:08 AM (B0893)

73 "Of course, that would mean two more Democratic Senate seats for life. Which also gives a big boost to DC statehood, so make that four Blue seats total."

Saying stuff is different from doing stuff.

I think Mitt will find his inner Obama and suddenly find that promise hard to keep.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:08 AM (GgPLE)

74 "Chiniquy"

I had to look that up! Good one!

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:10 AM (GgPLE)

75 @69 and if you did your reasearch you'd find they elected a Republican none voting rep to the House (statewide election) from 2004-2008 and elected a right-center party Governor of which the none-voting Dem rep in there now is a member of himself

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:12 AM (yAor6)

76 French terrorist shooting children now at a school. But nobody want to call out the obvious fact that he is a muzzie.

http://is.gd/I6GMVt

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 08:13 AM (YdQQY)

77 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:13 AM (8y9MW)

78 When does [Santorum] reach out to the voters he hasn't clinched yet?

That's a good question.

When does Romney?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:13 AM (8y9MW)

79 >>>And how about we do one thread without all the bullshit gay bashing.<<<

Aside from the fact that you missed an obvious sock, how about we don't call opposition to gay marriage gay bashing?
In fact, how about instead of adopting the language of the left we leave the phrase "gay bashing'' to apply to what it actually is- the despicable practice of physically attacking homosexuals.


Posted by: kdny at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (vrYVY)

80 Sad that Gabe thinks that the fake "rights" of sex perverts should trump everything else. He isn't even a conservative...

Posted by: Chris at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (XGZYX)

81 My local papers have recently run at least four editorial cartoons absolving Obama for the high gas prices.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (7+pP9)

82 Yeah. Romney is no prize. If you could guarantee me Santorum doesn't rally the Dem base and make us lose ground in Congress, I'd be okay with the so-cons running one of their culture warriors.

Just not this election.

And I just don't get why Romney is not acceptable to so-cons on so-con grounds alone...he's not a libertine homosexual Muslim or something.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (GgPLE)

83 Question: was there any reason to believe Puerto Rico was in play before Santorum's English-language trainwreck?

What was the train wreck? That Santorum called a Spanish-speaking country "a Spanish-speaking country"?

Puerto Rico has no business as an American state. End of story. They have too sweet of a deal, as it is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 19, 2012 08:15 AM (X3lox)

84 "My local papers have recently run at least four editorial cartoons absolving Obama for the high gas prices."

Why are still subscribed to them?

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:15 AM (GgPLE)

85 Romney is making inroad to libs...trust me. My litmus test, my mother, is a FDR Dem. (even though she was born in '41, it was a disease she inherited from my grandparents)

In 2000, she happily voted for GWB over Gore. The reason: Clinton's sliminess. Even though we are from Connecticut, she felt no particular pride in Lieberman on the ticket. The Dems further embarassed themselves in the recount, and I thought my mom switch sides for godd..

Nope..the media got her back (she one of the dwindling part of the population that watches network news and PBS) the "lost" war in Iraq had her vote for Vietnam veteran, the haughty, John Kerry.

In '08 she voted for the JEF.

Now...she realized what a SCOAMF Barry Soerto is ...and she says..."well I like Mitt...he's kind of boring...I think this country could use boring right about now."

A Mitt Presidency may actually be not that bad. If he steps off the Conservative reservation, he know he'll get his ass primaried. He's got to go to the base first.

The fact that we don't like him (and he knows that) it actually the best outcome. Short leash.

Posted by: A case against SMOD at March 19, 2012 08:15 AM (Vg4Vv)

86 @80 so you wanna round up people because theyre not up to your standard of morality in their personal lives? enlighten me

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:16 AM (yAor6)

87 I wonder if that's our problem in Congress?

That wouldn't surprise me. If the majority of people taking Poli-Sci as a major, or going into Law school, or J-School (the kinds of people a political party is going to hire) are Liberal, it stands to reason that there will be a fair number of Liberals running the "machinery" even of the supposedly "Conservative" political party.

Of course, the answer to this is NOT to focus on hiring Poli-Sci, Law School, or J-School grads, but rather to focus on hiring people who know how to do stuff. But I guess that's just too radical a concept.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:17 AM (8y9MW)

88 Don't worry--between Mitt's money and Rick's missteps, you'll have Romney as the standard bearer in November. Not that you'll have any issues to run on, thanks to said standard bearer, but at least you'll have him.

***

Mitt's planning to run on charisma in the general. I mean, look how well loved he is.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 08:17 AM (iu657)

89 @ 85 that's interesting analysis but i'd point out that in the open primaries and caucuses Santorum is running away w/ the Dem vote

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:17 AM (yAor6)

90 Four killed in shooting at Jewish school in France
Three students and Jewish studies teacher reported killed after man fires at Ozar Hatorah school in the southern city of Toulouse.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2012 08:17 AM (i6RpT)

91 Anyone care to guess what Apple will say in the conference call?

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (oZfic)

92 Sad that Gabe thinks that the fake "rights" of sex perverts should trump everything else. He isn't even a conservative...

Posted by: Chris at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (XGZYX)

This sort of shit would be more convincing if Gabe hadn't, say, supported Perry.
Yeah, I'm as tired of the constant attack-the-non-Mitt approach of his posts of late, but really, find a new attack line.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (B0893)

93 Aside from the fact that you missed an obvious sock, how about we don't call opposition to gay marriage gay bashing?
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What I was referring to was the continued attacks on Gabe. And what I missed was the sarc. I am glad we are agreed that continued bashing is bull shit.

My advise to the posters who hate Gabe so much is forget reading the daily news roundup. Wait for a later morning thread.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (YdQQY)

94
Why are still subscribed to them?

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:15 AM (GgPLE)


My dad likes newspapers. I consider them a waste of money.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (7+pP9)

95 Puerto Rico is not a state! They suck enough off of the US tit already.

Posted by: MartyRight at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (uhPd1)

96 90 Four killed in shooting at Jewish school in France
Three students and Jewish studies teacher reported killed after man fires at Ozar Hatorah school in the southern city of Toulouse.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2012 08:17 AM (i6RpT)


Bloomberg sez they were just upset over Obamacare.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 08:19 AM (Af3Wg)

97 @95 you're right it's not a state. it's a territory as more then 50% of our current states were at one point

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:20 AM (yAor6)

98 And I just don't get why Romney is not acceptable to
so-cons on so-con grounds alone...he's not a libertine homosexual
Muslim or something.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (GgPLE)
----------------------------

It's not just so-cons, it's con-cons. It is because he doesn't have a conservative bone in his body. His record is pure liberal through and through.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 08:20 AM (YdQQY)

99 If he steps off the Conservative reservation, he know he'll get his ass primaried. He's got to go to the base first.




He won't be primaried. The GOP isn't going to primary a sitting president. As to going to the base first, if he had any - ANY - inclination to go to the base it would be in a primary campaign. There is no evidence that Romney, as a sitting President, would be constrained by his base.

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:20 AM (P6QsQ)

100 74 "Chiniquy"

I had to look that up! Good one!
Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:10 AM (GgPLE)


Do you mean Jerry Chiniquy who was a Warner Bros. animator back in the heyday?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2012 08:21 AM (Af3Wg)

101 Anyone care to guess what Apple will say in the conference call?
Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (oZfic)

That I'm going to Disney World and getting a free iPad?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2012 08:21 AM (i6RpT)

102 And I just don't get why Romney is not acceptable to
so-cons on so-con grounds alone...he's not a libertine homosexual
Muslim or something.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:14 AM (GgPLE)

There's that part I mentioned about forcing Catholic hospitals to issue Plan B while he was governor. It happened in 2005, and he lied about it in the last debate.
Religious liberty is a pretty big deal to socons, and Mitt doesn't make the cut on that rather important issue.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 19, 2012 08:21 AM (B0893)

103 I gather (from his other videos) that the 80 mph guy is training to be a cage fighter.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at March 19, 2012 08:21 AM (gWLRb)

104 It's never good practice to ascribe cunning to something that can be explained just as easily by folly, but perhaps Santorum used Puerto Rico for a reverse pander. That is, he could go to Puerto Rico and say things that look like a gaffe but might help him in other parts of the country. To a substantial portion of the GOP electorate, illegal immigration is a big issue, and both Romney and Gingrich are not representing the wants of that portion of the party.

If Santorum sent the same signals in a state like Arizona, he'd be accused of demagoguery (and likely racism). Doing it in Puerto Rico makes it look politically brave (if locally stupid).

It could have been, however, only the latter.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at March 19, 2012 08:22 AM (gul5u)

105 "we don't call opposition to gay marriage gay bashing?"

Cuz its often more than just opposition to gay marriage for some people.

Its like illegal immigration. There are plenty of people who are against illegal immigration who are not racist, but there is some small section of those who are against illegal immigration because they are racist. Its god damn annoying as hell, but its true.

You try using good solid arguments against it, and then some jerk pops in with "we should send all the beaners home" and you just lost everyone who was starting to think.

Same with gay marriage stuff. Personally, I think the so-cons thinking they can STOP gay marriage by the power of the state is short-sighted. They really should be working with the libertarians, to bring the state out of religion...because if you want to battle with the left over the levers of power on this issue, they will use it to crush religion - they will force your churches to accept gays, etc. This is what frightens me more than the state handing out some civil unions, but not doing any marrying.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:22 AM (GgPLE)

106 You're right. You certainly participated in the Washington caucus.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 07:08 AM (et2m1)

Kirby Wilbur is a shit stain.

Posted by: Barbed Wire Wrapped Pineapple at March 19, 2012 08:23 AM (EL+OC)

107 But how is someone else's sex life your business? That's the wrong question. The real question should be: What OTHER ridiculous ideas must we be forced to recognize as sane and proper? No one cares who you fuck. No one even cares that you want to visit them in the hospital, will your property to them or cohabitate. What people care about is being forced to redefine reality to suit the selfish emotional needs of a tiny minority. What's offensive is forcing everyone else to nod their heads and say, "Yes. What you are doing is completely normal." Being forced to redefine aberrant behavior as normal doesn't strike you as unreasonable? How about the bowfucker lady? That's certainly aberrant. We tolerate her humping the Eiffel Tower, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone demanding you legally recognize her relationship with inanimate objects as legal matrimony. But if 2% of the country applied enough pressure, you would? Words have meaning. It's stupid to legislate away reality. But it's easier and lazier to just call someone a bigot.

Posted by: Truman North at March 19, 2012 08:23 AM (I2LwF)

108 "My dad likes newspapers. I consider them a waste of money."

Same with my mom...I sometimes read them when I'm at her house and I am usually not impressed.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:23 AM (GgPLE)

109 You folks want to know how Romney will govern? Look at the disaster that the Weeping Boner has been and imagine that in the White House ... with even less backbone and more liberal leanings.

Make no mistake about it; that is how a Romney Presidency will go. He'll be surrendering to the dems on all sorts of issues for no reason, at all. His first two years will probably be consumed with fashioning his perfect federal replacement for the unbelievably un-Constitutional ObamaCare (that Mitt really loves, deep down).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 19, 2012 08:24 AM (X3lox)

110 @105 yep

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:25 AM (yAor6)

111 Apple is going to give all their cash to Obama's SuperPac, or buy Microsoft and Exxon.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 08:26 AM (ilc7b)

112 it's a territory as more then 50% of our current states were at one point

The slight difference there was that those Territories were specifically attempting to attain Statehood. PR, on the other hand, is quite happy getting virtually all of the benefits of being a US State with very, very few of the costs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:26 AM (8y9MW)

113 I gather (from his other videos) that the 80 mph guy is training to be a cage fighter.

The douche-meter just melted.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 08:27 AM (MMC8r)

114 "It's not just so-cons, it's con-cons. It is because he doesn't have a conservative bone in his body. His record is pure liberal through and through."

I guess for me, its more about removing Obama. Whoever has the better chance to do that, while also preserving our gains in the Congress.

I also think he will be very good at cutting government and explaining to the people why its being done is on an efficiency basis, which cuts the ground from liberals on that issue a bit.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:27 AM (GgPLE)

115 >>>What I was referring to was the continued attacks on Gabe. And what I
missed was the sarc. I am glad we are agreed that continued bashing is
bull shit. <<<

No. We don't agree that any disagreement with Gabe is off limits. Why is Gabe immune to questions about his motivations? No one else is.

Posted by: kdny at March 19, 2012 08:29 AM (vrYVY)

116 After watching the Governor of Puerto Rico interviewed and saying not once but twice that "he would do anything to help Mitt Romney", Mitt's win in Puerto Rico is no surprise. Rumor has it that the old gov is one of the bevy of beauties promised the VP slot. Won't he be shocked when it's Bob McDonald from Virginia.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 08:29 AM (oZfic)

117 @112 theisland is divided on whether to stay a territory (as the left-center party wants) or to become a state (as the right-center party wants). w/ each vote on the matter the support for statehood gets bigger and bigger. I predict Puerto Rico will be our 51st state within the next 20-30 years, maybe even less then thatif the results this November are suprising.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:30 AM (yAor6)

118 @116 i'm pretty sure Governor Fortuno isn't dumb enough to think Mitt will make him VP. He's involved in a re-election campaign and fighting the unions there

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:31 AM (yAor6)

119 I also think he will be very good at cutting government and
explaining to the people why its being done is on an efficiency basis,
which cuts the ground from liberals on that issue a bit.


But why should I believe he would do that? I don't even believe Rick Perry would have done that very successfully, and I fully believe he would have tried. I'm not nearly so sure that Romney will even try very hard.

I get the ABO sentiment, but why did it never flow the other way? There are a bunch of true Romney-Bots (not just people like Ace and Gabe who have decided he's the best choice remaining) who did everything they could to absolutely destroy any opposition Romney faced- especially opposition from the Right- and then when you'd call them on their crap, they'd scream "Anybody but Obama!" and try to emotionally blackmail you if you weren't immediately on-board with voting for Romney.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:31 AM (8y9MW)

120
But how is someone else's sex life your business? That's the wrong question. The real question should be: What OTHER ridiculous ideas must we be forced to recognize as sane and proper? No one cares who you fuck. No one even cares that you want to visit them in the hospital, will your property to them or cohabitate. What people care about is being forced to redefine reality to suit the selfish emotional needs of a tiny minority. What's offensive is forcing everyone else to nod their heads and say, "Yes. What you are doing is completely normal." Being forced to redefine aberrant behavior as normal doesn't strike you as unreasonable? How about the bowfucker lady? That's certainly aberrant. We tolerate her humping the Eiffel Tower, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone demanding you legally recognize her relationship with inanimate objects as legal matrimony. But if 2% of the country applied enough pressure, you would? Words have meaning. It's stupid to legislate away reality. But it's easier and lazier to just call someone a bigot. <<<<

That deserves reposting in its entirety because it is my exact thoughts on the issue. Every word.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 08:31 AM (eJkKU)

121 "What people care about is being forced to redefine reality to suit the selfish emotional needs of a tiny minority. What's offensive is forcing everyone else to nod their heads and say, "Yes. What you are doing is completely normal." "

We were all happily praying at Roman temples until suddenly some small minority converted an emperor and banned the old gods...

But, I understand your point.

The problem is you are choosing a weapon: the State and demanding it enforce your version of normal. And I am saying, be careful...because that same State, which you just sanctioned to be involved, is going to come around to your church and MAKE you accept gays. That's the goal.

And your side, by agreeing the state has a role there, is empowering that.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:32 AM (GgPLE)

122 "I get the ABO sentiment, but why did it never flow the other way?"

It did. I supported Perry and Cain over Romney, but they flamed out.

I never supported Newt, though I had some fantasies of him debating Obama.

So, its not that we are "forcing you to love Romney"

Its that Romeny is above Santorum but below Perry and Cain for me.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:34 AM (GgPLE)

123

you're right it's not a state. it's a territory




*cough* Commonwealth

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 08:34 AM (kdS6q)

124 I'm still waiting for Gabe or any gay marriage supporter to define the government's interest in it. I can understand the liberals being ok with ramming government into every conceivable spot, but why would a conservative want that. A better argument for gay conservatives would seem to be, get government out of marriage all together.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 08:35 AM (wwZVW)

125 @71 Next generation?How about all future generations.
This country is so fucked up there really is no turning this ship around.We have a fucking retarded socialist running this country into the ground and the best the GOP can come up with is Moe,Larry and Curly?

I happen to believe they don't really want to win because they know the disasters that are going to befall us in the very near future.You have been reading Montys DOOM posts have'nt you?And with the limpwrists we call leaders in the Senate and House it's not like we are taking the fight to the eneemy (even as he lays prostrate on the ground in front of us).No,the country has no stomach for what needs to be done(drastic cuts in entitlements/regulations/government),and with the MSM running propaganda for the enemy,our prospects for convincing the masses otherwise are rather bleak.

Unfortunately,we as a people did'nt take this shit a little more seriously twenty or so years ago.We let the libs have thier way on just about everything because we would never chose a hill to die on.Nothing was ever important enough to take a stand,so we always caved.Hell,even now with thenation on the precipice most ofour citizensare oblivious to our plight.They don't have a clue about whats going on.And what is even scarier?They don't fucking care.

Posted by: vae victus at March 19, 2012 08:35 AM (cpMdE)

126 And your side, by agreeing the state has a role there, is empowering that.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:32 AM (GgPLE)


Huh? What are you saying? You do know that our immigration policies are mostly based on family. You do, don't you? This is where the state (the federal government, in specific) has a very serious interest in what is defined as "marriage" and family. You think it's just honky-dory to have polygamists bring 85 immediate family members in for green cards ... WTF?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 19, 2012 08:36 AM (X3lox)

127 It did. I supported Perry and Cain over Romney, but they flamed out.

Then I'm not talking about you. I specifically exempted people who had other favorites early and just decided he was the best of the remnant. I think that's a silly position, but I can at least understand it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:37 AM (8y9MW)

128 PR is not a territory. It is a commonwealth.

Posted by: Case at March 19, 2012 08:37 AM (6ffrc)

129 121, those were the one with the temple prostitutes, not so much in heartless Aztec land.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 08:37 AM (wwZVW)

130 That deserves reposting in its entirety because it is my exact thoughts on the issue. Every word.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 08:31 AM (eJkKU)

Mine too. That's why I'm quitting the AOSHQ top headlines threads from now on. Gabe can't seem to post anything without bashing Santorum. Never thought I'd miss Monty's DOOM threads but I do.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 19, 2012 08:38 AM (3jGS1)

131 "we don't call opposition to gay marriage gay bashing?"



Cuz its often more than just opposition to gay marriage for some people.



So we aren't allowed to express opposition to same-sex marriage without being called gay-bashers , because "it's more than that to some people"?


Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:38 AM (P6QsQ)

132 @ 124 i'd agree with that. i'm for marriage for gays if the church isn't forced to accept

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney at March 19, 2012 08:38 AM (yAor6)

133 "I'm still waiting for Gabe or any gay marriage supporter to define the government's interest in it. I can understand the liberals being ok with ramming government into every conceivable spot, but why would a conservative want that. A better argument for gay conservatives would seem to be, get government out of marriage all together."

THIS.

Especially when you consider which way the wind is blowing, and what the liberals would love to do to churches and gay marriage. You think they will just leave you alone? No. They want to shame the churches into accepting homosexuality and everything else. I actually am fine with gays, but making churches accept them by force is horrifying.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:38 AM (GgPLE)

134
The problem is you are choosing a weapon: the State and demanding it enforce your version of normal. And I am saying, be careful...because that same State, which you just sanctioned to be involved, is going to come around to your church and MAKE you accept gays. That's the goal.

And your side, by agreeing the state has a role there, is empowering that.<<<<

No. The state doesn't need to do anything. It's state action that created gay marriage. You're not making any sense.

Btw, you are free to worship any gods you wish. That's kind of the whole point of this America thing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 08:39 AM (eJkKU)

135 This is where the state (the federal government, in specific) has a very
serious interest in what is defined as "marriage" and family.


Then the correct answer is to undo that wrong, not try to layer additional wrongs on top of it.

Immigration policy shouldn't have anything to do with family (actually- that's not entirely true either, but the current policy is broken, discussing what needs to change might be a post all its own), it should have to do with people who show that they're both willing and able to integrate with, and help improve, our society and way of life.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:39 AM (8y9MW)

136 It would be nice to see "generic republican" versus mitt romney. You won't see it though, "generic republican" would win by a mile. And then they'd have to do "generic republican" against our sitting president where "generic republican" would win by a mile again.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 08:39 AM (oZfic)

137 PR is not a territory. It is a commonwealth.
Posted by: Case at March 19, 2012 08:37 AM (6ffrc)

I thought it was a minor league baseball team?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2012 08:40 AM (i6RpT)

138 So we aren't allowed to express opposition to same-sex marriage without being called gay-bashers , because "it's more than that to some people"?
-------------------------------

No, not really.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:40 AM (GgPLE)

139 That's why I'm quitting the AOSHQ top headlines
threads from now on. Gabe can't seem to post anything without bashing
Santorum. Never thought I'd miss Monty's DOOM threads but I do.


Posted by: Hedgehog at March 19, 2012 08:38 AM


Amen.


Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:41 AM (P6QsQ)

140 Btw, you are free to worship any gods you wish. That's kind of the whole point of this America thing.

Now cower before my Asgardian Might!

Posted by: Thor at March 19, 2012 08:41 AM (8y9MW)

141 "No. The state doesn't need to do anything. It's state action that created gay marriage. You're not making any sense."

Really? So before gay marriage was an issue, I didn't need a marriage license?

"Btw, you are free to worship any gods you wish. That's kind of the whole point of this America thing."

I'm addressing the so-con cultural argument which is that gay marriage is small minority issue...why just like Christianity was a small cult at one time. See, these issues go beyond America, because the claim is that the state should ban gay marriage and affirm "normal" marriage based on history and tradition.

Is there anything in our Constitution that bans gay marriage?

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:43 AM (GgPLE)

142
Mitt Romney’s vaunted organization nearly failed him in Illinois, where he only remained eligible for delegates on the ballot after a negotiated truce between his campaign and Rick Santorum’s people.

The problems stem from the campaign relying on Illinois state Treasurer Dan Rutherford. He struggled to acquire enough signatures to qualify for Romney’s delegates and then had the statement of candidacy notarized out of state, which the Santorum campaign challenged despite having its own statement of candidacy notarized in Iowa.

Politico




And then they both invaded Poland...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 08:43 AM (kdS6q)

143 Are you saying "gay-bashers" or "Gabe-bashers"?

Posted by: Lars Groteballen at March 19, 2012 08:43 AM (tQuYe)

144 When did Santorum say something anti gay? How about asking this question, How does the Mormon church feel about homosexuality? Since Romney is a big power player in the church that might give you a hint of things to come once he's in the office (though I doubt seriously he'd beat BO as most people already have a definitive opinion about him which they do not plan to change)

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 08:44 AM (oZfic)

145 author

the problem is ......that is the end game...

the md priest was suspended for not giving communion to a confirmed lesbian buddhist for goodness sake!!!!!! for embarrassing her!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 08:44 AM (Ho2rs)

146 So we aren't allowed to express opposition to same-sex marriage without
being called gay-bashers , because "it's more than that to some people"?
-------------------------------

No, not really.


By this logic, Conservatives aren't allowed to talk about:
Immigration
Religion
Abortion
The Middle East
and I'm sure I've missed some.

Because some people are bigots. That's stupid. The fact there are people who agree with me for the wrong reasons doesn't mean I don't get to support my own opinions. If that were truly the universal rule, Democrats wouldn't be able to argue anything- because far more of them are bigots than are Conservatives.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 08:44 AM (8y9MW)

147 If you guys can't take the anti-Santorum heat now, wait until he's the candidate and the MSM is fully gunning for him. LOL.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:45 AM (GgPLE)

148 132 @ 124 i'd agree with that. i'm for marriage for gays if the church isn't forced to accept

***

Churches are being pressured to give lesbian buddhists communion for the sake of optics. They'll definitely be forced to marry gays or get out of the legal marriage business.

But that's not important. What's important is gas prices. Let's say gas prices are high fofty thousand fucking times because nobody's noticed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 08:46 AM (iu657)

149 "Because some people are bigots. That's stupid. The fact there are people who agree with me for the wrong reasons doesn't mean I don't get to support my own opinions."

I am agreeing with you. I was wrong to imply we couldn't discuss the issues. It just sucks when a turd appears in the punch bowl.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:46 AM (GgPLE)

150 "Churches are being pressured to give lesbian buddhists communion for the sake of optics. They'll definitely be forced to marry gays or get out of the legal marriage business. "

That's great news, because whenever lefties overstep like that, they look silly.

So-cons, your best hand is to persuade and to be good people. Having St. Rick reviewing contraception policy and censoring porn is not how your ideas will win.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:49 AM (GgPLE)

151 From a practical perspective, the gays wanted a "right to privacy" between consenting adults behind closed doors.

Now they don't want it.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 08:50 AM (kUxiO)

152
What's laughable is how some of you equate Gabe's support of Romney with his desire to advance gay marriage.

Because Mormons are such champions of the gay community. Gays crashed their church services to show solidarity during the Prop 8 battle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 08:51 AM (eJkKU)

153 That's great news, because whenever lefties overstep like that, they look silly.

***

It's been nothing but great news for us for past twenty years, then.

The Church is having its hospitals and orphanages shuttered. The overstep works.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 08:51 AM (iu657)

154 And the answer to the burning question of whether Gabe can go even one day without Santorum-bashing is... No.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 08:53 AM (gPDxp)

155 "The Church is having its hospitals and orphanages shuttered. The overstep works."

You guys should call Obama's bluff and go on strike for a while. And work this angle instead of having Santorum have a position on porn.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:53 AM (GgPLE)

156 Here's a new twist on same-sex marriage. Marrying your own self. I guess that would qualify for same-sex, right?

http://bit.ly/zaSYH5

The 36-year-old married herself before a crowd of 45 friends and family members Saturday at Ecce Gallery in Fargo.

During the observance, the Fargo woman read her vows: “I, Nadine,
promise to enjoy inhabiting my own life and to relish a lifelong love
affair with my beautiful self.” She presented herself with a ring and
invited all guests to “blow kisses to the whole world” at the point of
the traditional, bride-groom lip-lock.


Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:54 AM (P6QsQ)

157 "And the answer to the burning question of whether Gabe can go even one day without Santorum-bashing is... No."

Think of this as training. Because if Santorum ever won, every single day in every single media outlet, there would be a Santorum story in a negative light.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:55 AM (GgPLE)

158 Bevel, speaking of oversteps, Mitt says the economy is doing great and we need to fix Obamacare.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 08:55 AM (kUxiO)

159 You guys should call Obama's bluff and go on strike for a while



I live across the road from a Catholic hospital that is heavy into cardiac surgery. How exactly does one go "on strike" from that? The nurses just don't show up one day and leave the patients to fend for themselves?

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:56 AM (P6QsQ)

160
Is there anything in our Constitution that bans gay marriage?<<<

No. Neither does it ban incest, pederasty, blackmail, bestiality, mopery, jacking it at the playground or eczema.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (eJkKU)

161 You guys should call Obama's bluff and go on strike for a while. And work this angle instead of having Santorum have a position on porn.

***

Um, the Church did.

The State takes over the Hospitals and orphanages, which is what the goal was to start with.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (iu657)

162 Question for the so-cons.

How do you feel about polygamy for Muslims in America?

Their faith allows up to 4 wives.

I don't understand how that can not be allowed, if we truly have freedom of religion and marriage is a religious issue.

Thoughts?

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (GgPLE)

163 the md priest was suspended for not giving communion to a confirmed lesbian buddhist for goodness sake!!!!!! for embarrassing her!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 08:44 AM (Ho2rs)
***
Every missal has the rules for receiving Communion published on the back page. Did the bishop of that diocese decide that the published rules approved by church authorities were just filler?
*
WTF is going on? Let's keep priests who diddle children, but suspend priests who follow canon law...
*

Posted by: kallisto at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (jm/9g)

164 Say no evil of a fellow Republican

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (i6RpT)

165 in gabe's defense.......is this place pro santorum? because i've seen every candidate bashed here......who do you all want him to like....anyone but romney? there are plenty of people here that couldn't care less for any of the rino's we have to choose from.......as long as we all vote for the anti obama at the end of the day i don't care who hates anyone as long as we all hate obama more and get him out of the white house........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 08:57 AM (Ho2rs)

166 Think of this as training. Because if Santorum ever
won, every single day in every single media outlet, there would be a
Santorum story in a negative light.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 08:55 AM



Santorum is not going to win. At this point, it's just deliberate alienation of a good chunk of voters. For what reason?

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 08:58 AM (P6QsQ)

167 Think of this as training. Because if Santorum ever won, every single day in every single media outlet, there would be a Santorum story in a negative light.

***

But the media will lay down Palms before Mitt's ass on his ride into Washington?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 08:58 AM (iu657)

168 Mitt is an idiot because he thinks he's won the primary and now he is campaigning against Obama for independent votes. He doesn't realize he is unelectable, and those fools in Puerto Rico aren't helping things either.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at March 19, 2012 08:58 AM (gWLRb)

169 So, I guess if Romney can find a way to outspend the SCOAMF 7 to 1, he might have a chance.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 08:59 AM (gPDxp)

170 Gabe's bashing of Sanatarium is no different than any of the other Mutt-Mushers bashing of Sanatarium and it has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. ALL of the current candidates except possibly Crazy Uncle are against gay marriage.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:00 AM (YdQQY)

171 No. Neither does it ban incest, pederasty, blackmail, bestiality, mopery, jacking it at the playground or eczema.
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Exactly. So we make laws as we see fit to cover those issues, which means we can go either way on gay marriage. No, if we ban gay marriage that's one route. But the other route would be to make it LEGAL, like legal tender, and if your church refused to marry gays, why your church is breaking the law.

So, it seems to me that the church shouldn't want marriage to be an issue of law at all.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:01 AM (GgPLE)

172 No the Constitution says nothing about "gay marriage". That makes it a State issue. The problem then becomes the full faith and credit clause.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:03 AM (YdQQY)

173 So, it seems to me that the church shouldn't want marriage to be an issue of law at all.

***

Marriage has legal meaning. Courts won't even touch when an unmarried couple breaks up. There are laws to govern divorce.

So no, eliminating marriage as a legal concept (while I'm sure the left loves the idea) isn't a good idea.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:03 AM (iu657)

174 Saw the face of Cthuhu in my scrambled eggs this morning. Usually means it's gonna be a weird day.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 09:04 AM (MMC8r)

175 So, it seems to me that the church shouldn't want marriage to be an issue of law at all.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:01 AM (GgPLE)
The church doesn't see marriage as an issue of the state, the church views marriage as a sacrament. When you get married in the church it's your responsibility, not theirs, to satisfy the requirements of the state.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:04 AM (oZfic)

176 Cook! Cook!! Where's my lunch? Where's my dinner?!!

WHERE'S MY HASENPFEFFER?!!!

Posted by: King Barry the Wicked at March 19, 2012 09:04 AM (+LCjv)

177 @28What's the smallest school left in the tournament? Jean - I believe Lehigh and Xavier both have approximately 7,000 student (undergrad and grad combined).

Posted by: RightWingProf at March 19, 2012 09:05 AM (IC6Er)

178 Courts won't even touch when an unmarried couple breaks up.
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Zombie Lee Marvin may have something to say on that score.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:05 AM (YdQQY)

179 " Gabe's bashing of Sanatarium is no different than any of the other Mutt-Mushers bashing of Sanatarium"


Actually, it is. Santorum isn't going to win, so bashing him serves no other purpose than venting hostility. The only reason Santorum is being bashed is because he is a social conservative.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:05 AM (gPDxp)

180 I live in Illinois. I can not wait for Wednesday.............the day the phone will stop ringing.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 19, 2012 09:05 AM (OWjjx)

181 "But the media will lay down Palms before Mitt's ass on his ride into Washington?"

No. But it is MHO that their attacks on Mitt as a capitalist pig will lose less independents than the Santroum so-con stuff would.

Admittedly, I may be biased and there is also a chance that large amounts of Christians will not vote for a Mormon.

And Mitt is not that awesome anyways.

But unless you are getting Ryan, or Christie or someone to run...he's what's left.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:05 AM (GgPLE)

182 The only reason Santorum is being bashed is because he is a social conservative.

No.........it is how primaries work. You play whack a mole.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 19, 2012 09:06 AM (OWjjx)

183 I don't understand how that can not be allowed, if we truly have freedom of religion and marriage is a religious issue.

This is part of the argument about whether or not the Amendments apply directly to the States or not. By the current reading (that all the Amendments apply directly to the States- which is new, historically speaking), it would be- religiously. To that extent we believe that is a specific part of why the Gov't shouldn't be involved in marriage. If a dude and 4 women want to say they're all married, who cares? If the government weren't involved at all, we'd be able to leave it at that.

Once Government gets involved it's a different question- and one that requires we reexamine that premise (that the Amendments apply directly to the states). It's historical fact that almost all of the original 13 States had official churches, even after the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In the view they took, then, the States (but not the Federal Government) had some amount of say in religious matters, and they could have banned such practice.

Frankly, though, I don't get the logic that says polygamy leads to bestiality or pederasty or whatever. Most of the world was polygamist once upon a time, including the Jews, to some extent. Monogamy is a specifically Christian virtue, and our emphasis on it is a Theological one, not a purely "Moral" one. I, for one, don't think that Theological virtue has any special place in government.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:06 AM (8y9MW)

184 The latest spin ...

Gun-tracking operation caught top suspect, then let him go

Federal agents stopped the main target of the ill-fated Operation Fast and Furious in May 2010. After they questioned him, he disappeared back into Mexico, and the program went on to spiral out of control.

Posted by: Charlton Heston at March 19, 2012 09:06 AM (e8kgV)

185 "The only reason Santorum is being bashed is because he is a social conservative."

Awwwwww, the poor so-cons who love to tell everyone else they are "Real" conservatives are getting butt hurt.

Hey, maybe if your candidate hadn't said, coming out of the gates, that he was concerned with libertarian influence in the GOP and the Tea Party we would have given him a chance.

I believe you folks have a saying about casting the first stone or something.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (GgPLE)

186 PHILADELPHIA - One man is dead and another is in critical condition
after a shootout at a North Philadelphia corner store. It happened
around 8:30 p.m. Sunday at the La Familia Latina Mini-Market at Fifth
and Glenwood streets in Hunting Park. Four men entered the store armed
with guns. But the store owner was ready with his own gun. One of the
suspects, a 26-year-old, was shot twice in the chest and pronounced dead
at the scene. The store owner was also shot and rushed by a friend to
Temple University Hospital. Police are still looking for the other three ..


At least the thugs in Philly have gotten over that ting they had two years ago when everybody kept shooting each other in the ass.

Posted by: Charlton Heston at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (e8kgV)

187 And how about we do one thread without all the bullshit gay bashing. This shit does get old after a while.
Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:18 AM (YdQQY)


Thank you.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (VtjlW)

188 Look, all the candidates get "bashed" here. Enough already lets bash Obama for a change...

Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (ZHge+)

189
No, if we ban gay marriage that's one route. But the other route would be to make it LEGAL, like legal tender, and if your church refused to marry gays, why your church is breaking the law.<<<

No. We didn't need state action to ban gay marriage BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUCH THING.

Do we also need state action to ban marrying inanimate objects? No. Until enough bowfuckers pressure the state to make it legal, when before there was no such thing.

DOMA-type legislation is REACTIVE to legislative and judicial activism, not the other way around.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (eJkKU)

190 Ron Paul has the sanest position on gay marriage, and that is that the government has no business knowing such a thing as marriage even exists. Its none of their business to sanction or not sanction what is supposed to be a religious ceremony.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (mZ+XA)

191 On Friday, the President of the United States accused his Republican
opponents of being members of the Flat Earth Society because of their
demands that the nation increase drilling. In no small bit of irony, the
President who bitterly lamented the rise of ATM’s and internet travel
options accused the GOP of wanting to bitterly cling to the past.

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur at March 19, 2012 09:09 AM (e8kgV)

192 some one is done crying over the south....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:09 AM (Ho2rs)

193 In the early days of the U.S. the first amendment allowed States to have their own State religions. The amendment only applied to the federal government.

And as far as I am concerned the laws against polygamy are just as unconstitutional as the Blue Laws in South Carolina.

If we are going to apply incorporation it needs to be applied across the board.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:09 AM (YdQQY)

194 Okay, nearly 200 comments in, I don't feel bad: New post up at my place.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:10 AM (8y9MW)

195 SoCons are Proggs too. Using the Feds to define their vision of America.

Them I hate, you I mostly feel sorry for.

Dreaming old dreams and wishing old wishes

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at March 19, 2012 09:10 AM (0TdUk)

196 From a practical perspective, the gays wanted a "right to privacy" between consenting adults behind closed doors. Now they don't want it.


And the "right" to contraception is based upon the Constitutional "right to privacy"... but now, they want everybody's employer and health insurance company to know what you're using, how much, and how often.

Posted by: Truman North at March 19, 2012 09:11 AM (I2LwF)

197 "Awwwwww, the poor so-cons who love to tell everyone else they are "Real" conservatives are getting butt hurt."

If you guys really want social cons kicked out of the Republican party, knock yourselves out.

I mean, it's not like you guys *need* social conservatives in order to win elections or anything.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:11 AM (gPDxp)

198 188
Look, all the candidates get "bashed" here. Enough already lets bash Obama for a change...


Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at March 19, 2012 09:08 AM (ZHge+)
Really, I don't see it. Management is squarely behind Romney and, as such, most people have refrained from really dissecting Romney. Once upon a time, people were reticent to point out any flaw in one Rick Perry. Although, without the pressure of a presidential campaign prematurely thrust upon him, perry is looking and sounding pretty good lately acting as a surrogate for Newt.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:12 AM (oZfic)

199 "If you guys really want social cons kicked out of the Republican party, knock yourselves out.

I mean, it's not like you guys *need* social conservatives in order to win elections or anything."

That's a two way street.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:12 AM (GgPLE)

200 Mitt told Hannity that the economy is in "recovery mode" on Friday, so it's not like he's running on it.

Hurray for reading partial quotes. I love how people cherry pick and tell half the quotes in order to deliver their points.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:13 AM (et2m1)

201 you don't see much.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:13 AM (Ho2rs)

202 SoCons are Proggs too. Using the Feds to define their vision of America.

F you, too.

And you're pretty well completely wrong. Social Conservatives were more than happy to avoid legislating about specifically Moral issues- it wasn't until the power of the State came against us (usually through judicial and/or executive overreach) that SoCons decided that if the hammer could be swung one way, there was no reason not to swing it the other.

Which is an argument I hear about other liberal tactics fairly frequently.

If they'd abide by a truce, we would, too- but they won't, so we can't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:13 AM (8y9MW)

203 184 The latest spin ...Gun-tracking operation caught top suspect, then let him go

Great, so the program that didn't track guns stumbles upon Mr. Big and they let him go? That's way better than what we think actually happened.


193 In the early days of the U.S. the first amendment allowed States to have their own State religions. The amendment only applied to the federal government.

Marbury vs. Madison, 1803, nationalized the Constitution.

Posted by: Truman North at March 19, 2012 09:14 AM (I2LwF)

204 Mitt Romney: "I believe we are in a recovery mode."
David Axelrod: "Thanks for the soundbite, Mittens."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:14 AM (gPDxp)

205 If the church wants to claim that you are 'spiritually' married to four different women, then so be it. The state, however, cannot recognize multiple marriages unless we are willing to accept radical changes in the way the state operates and views families. Issues such as custody, the ability to make decisions for a child, legal testimony, inheritance and others all become a hell of a lot murkier once we see allow for polygamy.

Posted by: Priests at March 19, 2012 09:15 AM (XzxB+)

206 @107

QFT

Seriously. Out of the park homerun , sir.

Posted by: typical moron at March 19, 2012 09:15 AM (Zw/H7)

207 "No. We didn't need state action to ban gay marriage BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUCH THING.

Do we also need state action to ban marrying inanimate objects? No. Until enough bowfuckers pressure the state to make it legal, when before there was no such thing"

Again, marriage licenses. Why do they exist if you claim the state never was involved in marriages before?

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:15 AM (GgPLE)

208 Marbury vs. Madison, 1803, nationalized the Constitution.

Posted by: Truman North at March 19, 2012 09:14 AM (I2LwF)
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MvM made the Supremes the sole judge of it. Incorporation is what made the bill of rights apply to the States. That did not come until much later after the "progressive era".

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:15 AM (YdQQY)

209 204
Mitt Romney: "I believe we are in a recovery mode."

David Axelrod: "Thanks for the soundbite, Mittens."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:14 AM (gPDxp)
Second sound bite in a week. Mitt's son was busy sayig how great Barack Obama is the other day. I can just see the commercial now "Even Romney's son thinks that President Obama is doing a good job, don't you agree with him?" Maybe even include the romney relations who have all come out against romney.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (oZfic)

210 Of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after the recession. There’s always a recovery. There’s never been a time anywhere in the world where an economy has never recovered. The question is how is recovered by virtue of something the president has done or has he delayed the recovery and made it more painful? And the latter, of course, is the truth.” “The president’s policies have made the recession deeper and have made the recovery more tepid and more difficult on the American people. This is the worst recovery that we have seen from a recession since Hoover. And President Obama wants to take credit for things getting better, he’s in fact made things worse. He’s made this recovery take much longer, but, will our economy get better someday? Of course it will.

You guys never read the full quotes naturally.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (et2m1)

211 I hate it when the douchebags get up early.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (MMC8r)

212 "It wasn't until the power of the State came against us (usually through judicial and/or executive overreach) that SoCons decided that if the hammer could be swung one way, there was no reason not to swing it the other."

Exactly right. It wasn't until Christians started pushing back against the aggressively secular agenda pushed by the progressives using the linstruments of the state (the judiciary and academia) that social conservatives began fighting back on a political level.

And now, the mods want us to unilaterally disarm.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (gPDxp)

213
New Jersey, where in 2009 three mayors, two assemblyman and five rabbis were among 44 charged in a money-laundering scheme, is the least corruptible U.S. state, according to a report by the Center for Public Integrity.

The center, a Washington-based nonprofit, said it analyzed 16,000 data points during a year-long study of public-ethics laws in the 50 states. It hired reporters to support its findings with "more than 100,000 words" of anecdotal journalism. New Jersey merited a B-plus, the highest grade

SFGate




I'm guessing a little something extra this week in the envelope for the Center for Public Integrity...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 09:17 AM (kdS6q)

214 From Patheos:

Bristol Palin: Mr. President, When Should I Expect Your Call?
http://bit.ly/xfkWZD

I’ve always felt you understood my plight more than most because your
mom was a teenager. That’s why you stood up for me when you were
campaigning against Sen. McCain and my mom — you said vicious attacks on
me should be off limits.
Yet I wonder if the Presidency has changed you. Now that you’re in office, it seems you’re only willing to defend certain women. You’re only willing to take a moral stand when you know your liberal supporters will stand behind you.
But…
What if you did something radical and wildly unpopular with your base and took a stand against the denigration of all women… even if they’re just single moms? Even if they’re Republicans?



Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 09:17 AM (P6QsQ)

215 Issues such as custody, the ability to make decisions for a child, legal
testimony, inheritance and others all become a hell of a lot murkier
once we see allow for polygamy.
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All which can and should be controlled via contract law.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:17 AM (YdQQY)

216 MvM made the Supremes the sole judge of it

Also, as I understand it, such of the Founders who were alive at that point (many, if not most of them) were none too happy about that decision. It had been understood up until that point that the States were the Arbiters of the Constitution.

Why should the Federal Government (that entity specifically established by the Constitution) be the one who gets to decide what it means?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:18 AM (8y9MW)

217 Mitt is on the radio in Illinois bashing Santorum as an "economic illiterate," but when it comes to Obama, "We're in a recovery mode."

This is the guy who has the support of the establishment and the most expensive campaign consultants money can buy.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:18 AM (gPDxp)

218 No. But it is MHO that their attacks on Mitt as a capitalist pig will lose less independents than the Santroum so-con stuff would.

***

Based on what? Conventional wisdom?

Independents have heads made of mush. Nobody knows what the fuck they're gonna do, because even they don't know. They aren't a block of voters, they're only united in their ignorance and random voting patterns.

Basing electoral decisions around what you 'think' they want is insane, and the reason our country is so totally fucked up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:20 AM (iu657)

219 You guys never read the full quotes naturally.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (et2m1)
Neither does David Axelrod, and he's the guy compiling the sound bites and making the commercials.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:20 AM (oZfic)

220 This is the guy who has the support of the establishment and the most expensive campaign consultants money can buy.

Hey, if it is Romney's money, who cares if he is spending a ton on expensive campaign consultants?

Look, I may think my neighbor's decision to buy an expensive sports car is irrational....but if it is my neighbor's money, why do I care?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 19, 2012 09:20 AM (OWjjx)

221 In as much asStitch Pelosi is castrated, and therefore the dumbocrats cannot destroy the economy on the scale they would like is causing a slight recovery, then Mitts is right, there's a recovery right now.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 09:20 AM (mZ+XA)

222 Ha ha, Kaitan your funny. Santorum should have talked up his shared Catholic values with PR voters but not mention marriage and society's degradation of it.

Your a funny one.


If he wants to fight in that primary, he could have done it but those stuff I'm talking about were on the national level where he HAD to make it more important. What he could have done is focused on the economy consistently and attacking Obama. Instead he came out full Jesus and preached those are the most important things in the election.

National Platform Santorum could have done:
Obama is the problem, fix the economy, I'm the better conservative here
Local level @ Puerto Rico: We have the same values such as being catholic. So you know how strongly I feel.

Instead Santorum did this
Fight Gay Marriage, Expand Big Government, Prevent sperms from being wasted, etc

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:21 AM (et2m1)

223 Also, as I understand it, such of the Founders who were alive at that
point (many, if not most of them) were none too happy about that
decision.
----------------------------


Yep, Jefferson was really incensed and he recognized it as a power grab by Adams but there was little he could do at the time. The decision required no action by anyone. Most of the founders simply ignored it and said it had no meaning.


Then later as different Presidents started doing their own court packing it was gradually made the recognized thing.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 09:21 AM (YdQQY)

224 Santorum may be acting very rationally by just playing to his base. He probably knows that he won't win, but if he can consolidate his subgroup support, he can make an effective case that choosing him as VP is prudent.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:23 AM (B5qn7)

225 Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:21 AM (et2m1)

Obviously you have seen Santorum's last couple of MSM appearances, the most recent of which was on this morning "morning joe" program.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:23 AM (oZfic)

226
the md priest was suspended for not giving communion to a confirmed lesbian buddhist for goodness sake!!!!!! for embarrassing her!!!!!

No, he wasn't suspended for embarrassing her. He was suspended for seriously violating Canon Law 915 and then getting into a public spat with his own parish staff over it.

Jean, I've written about it before (which is why I usually don't respond to commenters who pretend I haven't), but since you missed it on one of the other occasions that I wrote about it (after all, I only write about gay marriage every few months or so), the government's role in gay marriage is the same as government's role in marriage: protecting spouses and children by, among other things, ensuring orderly inheritance of property, upholding spousal and parental rights, securing legitimation and adoption benefits, and achieving positive outcomes for society at large. That's it, in a nutshell.

As you know, marriage is associated with positive outcomes. That's why the government is involved in the first place. It has positive outcomes for the spouses, their children, their neighbors, and society at large. Rather than "destroy" those outcomes, as many anti-gay marriage folks claim is the goal of gays, gay couples want to participate in those outcomes. (That, by the way, is why gays win so often in the courts. The anti-gay marriage folks come in and say: but marriage has all these benefits that government is trying to promote! The gay marriage folks reply: we know!)

You asked why a conservative would want government involved in gay marriage? Well, presumably for the same reason that most conservatives want government involved in straight marriage. It has positive outcomes.

Incidentally, you don't see many gay activists, or the pro-straight marriage folks either, jumping on the "get government out of the marriage business" bandwagon. First of all, gay activists are already accused of "attacking" marriage. Can you imagine the outcry if they could legitimately be accused of trying to "ban marriage from the public sphere"? The same thing applies to the straight marriage folks. It's not much of a rallying cry to say: "let's defend marriage by banning it from the public sphere."

I hope that answers your question.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 19, 2012 09:24 AM (IkTb7)

227 When does he reach out to the voters he hasn't clinched yet?

Assuming that by "reaching out" you mean "puts something,anything on the table that people who despise his politics and his platform can vote for"?

About the same time Mutt does.

Posted by: reality check at March 19, 2012 09:25 AM (Zw/H7)

228 Mitt:

This is the worst recovery that we have seen from a recession since Hoover.

--


I really wish that when people were pretending to be champions of economic liberty, liberty in general, free markets, or just pretending to be anything to the right of GHWB, that they would do me this one favor:

When you make this fracking statement substitute "the New Deal" or "FDR" for "Hoover."

Please, I beg you. You don't care anyway; it's just a talking point. Please.

Posted by: runninrebel at March 19, 2012 09:25 AM (N/1Dm)

229 @224: If Romney breaks the 1144 barrier, he is not obligated to pick Santorum as the Vice President. Huckabee and Romney had 250 Delegates each the last time around and McCain picked the one with 0 delegates.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:25 AM (et2m1)

230 219 You guys never read the full quotes naturally.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:16 AM (et2m1)

I did. Mitt says the economy is getting better, but he could do better than Barry.

It's a stupid thing to say. Instead of trying to excuse Mitt for everything he says and why it's technically okay because of some insane interpretation, actually read what he says.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:25 AM (iu657)

231 @225 Oh right let me start tuning to MSNBC.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:26 AM (et2m1)

232 Santorum is not social conservatism in the same way that Palin is not the Tea Party.

The messenger is never more important than the message. People get emotionally invested in the wrong things.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:26 AM (B5qn7)

233 "You asked why a conservative would want government involved in gay marriage? Well, presumably for the same reason that most conservatives want government involved in straight marriage. It has positive outcomes."

Not all of us agree with that analysis.

It's like the argument over giving mortgages to financially irresponsible people on the theory that having the responsibilities and benefits of home ownership would make them behave more responsibly. (i.e. a "positive outcome.") But it didn't work out that way, did it?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 19, 2012 09:26 AM (gPDxp)

234 gay couples want to participate in those outcomes


Us too!

Posted by: NAMBLA at March 19, 2012 09:27 AM (Zw/H7)

235 Romney is not obligated, it just helps Santorum's argument for being VP.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:27 AM (B5qn7)

236 A good friend of mine just voted in a Facebook poll: If the election were held today, who would you vote for? He chose Obama.

This is a very intelligent guy. Put my wife and me together, pretty much. I've long known he's no conservative, but I thought he'd be smarter than voting for another four years of Marxist decline.

We might be doomed.

Posted by: tsj017 at March 19, 2012 09:27 AM (4YUWF)

237 231
@225 Oh right let me start tuning to MSNBC.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:26 AM (et2m1)
A lot of folks watch that program. Santorum is seen as venturing into the belly of the liberal beast and he did quite well this morning.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:28 AM (oZfic)

238 @235 And he would boost Romney how?

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:28 AM (et2m1)

239 No, he wasn't suspended for embarrassing her. He was suspended for seriously violating Canon Law 915 and then getting into a public spat with his own parish staff over it.

***

Gabe, he didn't violate 915. He refused to give an apostate Communion. That's the rule. She still received from a Eucharistic minister after he whispered he would not give it to her.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:28 AM (iu657)

240 @237 I watch Fox and Friends.

Posted by: Kaitian at March 19, 2012 09:29 AM (et2m1)

241 We might be doomed.

Posted by: tsj017 at March 19, 2012 09:27 AM (4YUWF)


Might be? Dude. Math.

Posted by: runninrebel at March 19, 2012 09:30 AM (N/1Dm)

242 See...the turd appears...

NAMBLA is to gays, as Fred Phelps is to So-Cons.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:30 AM (GgPLE)

243 Santorum could say that Romney choosing him could help protect him against portions of the base staying home, specifically evangelicals and those who identify as 'strongly conservative'.

I would instead advise Romney to choose a moderate governor (VA has a good one). The original question posed above was why Santorum was spending time with a group he already 'locked up'.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:31 AM (B5qn7)

244 @242

wassup ?

Posted by: Farm Animal Love Society at March 19, 2012 09:33 AM (Zw/H7)

245 It isn't bashing so-cons either to say that Santorum is an ineffective messenger because he is so unusually smug and ridiculous.

There are plenty of socially conservative people who don't manage to make an ass out of themselves all the time.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:33 AM (B5qn7)

246 Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 19, 2012 09:24 AM (IkTb7)
**
I don't know what Canon Law 915 is, but if it is true that the woman denied communion was a buddhist, what was the point of her trying to receive at a public mass? Catholics are being jailed and murdered in Pakistan, Nigerian Catholics don't know if they're going to be blown to smithereens when they show up at Mass, and some dumbass in MD has to throw a monkeywrench into the works just to engage in some lesbian guerilla theatre?
*
Please.

Posted by: kallisto at March 19, 2012 09:34 AM (jm/9g)

247
Again, marriage licenses. Why do they exist if you claim the state never was involved in marriages before?<<<

As I claim? Provide that quote. Right fucking now.

And to complete your orientation to this wonderful country, you don't have to get married in a church. The argument about forcing churches to marry gays is absurd.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 19, 2012 09:34 AM (eJkKU)

248 "There are plenty of socially conservative people who don't manage to make an ass out of themselves all the time."

Exactly. I supported Perry until he imploded.

Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2012 09:35 AM (GgPLE)

249 The pro gay marriage people aren't actually wanting gay marriage per se. What they want is for the church to be required by law to marry them. They tip their hand in cases where gay marriage is permitted by immediately demanding that a church marry them just like an interracial wedding.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 09:35 AM (mZ+XA)

250 The only way I would feel worse about Romney would be a Santorum or Newt VP pick. He has the opportunity to pick someone not awful to decrease his own awfulness.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:35 AM (u50z0)

251 Thanks Kaitian, no one does will read or hear it either. I would expect forced errors like this from Ricky not Mitt.

The correct answer starts with a stiff jab, "Obama has destroyed the workforce, to inflate his numbers", a quick rabbit punch to appease the Paulians, "abused the Fed to debase the currency", and finish with a right cross, "and assualts our families with rapidly rising food and gas prices, unreported in his inflation data", so "No, any recovery, is a mirage averted by your poor coverage of the details", to steal a little Newt juice.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 09:35 AM (kUxiO)

252 Posted by: kallisto at March 19, 2012 09:34 AM (jm/9g)

If the priest denied communion in that instance he was absolutely in the right. Why is he suspended then?

The Eucharistic Minister was in the wrong for giving Communion.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:36 AM (oZfic)

253 The Daily Doom is dead! Long live the Daily Dumb!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 09:37 AM (eEfYn)

254 Every comment about liberals should include "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Posted by: Davod at March 19, 2012 09:38 AM (C5U9L)

255 Attack on "Jewish school" in France. Three kids and an adult killed. Per newsbreak.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2012 09:38 AM (HethX)

256 239 bevel

that is right!!!

she was not catholic but wanted to partake of the most sacred of sacraments......and then she created a scandal.....AT HER MOTHERS FUNERAL!!! she must have really hated her poor dead mother.....and then the archdiocese apologized for the priest who was so insensitive......to the lesbian who introduced her partner to him before the funeral mass...........jeez.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:38 AM (Ho2rs)

257 249 Yep. They really have a (I'm grossing myself out here but) hard on for the Church. It BURNS them up that the Church isn't falling in line with the rest of the world and declaring that homosexual sex is not disordered. This absolutely drives them nuts. They want revenge and this will be the next throw-down.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:38 AM (u50z0)

258 Welcome to my country! Tattoo, bring our guests refreshments!

Posted by: Puerto Ricky Santorum at March 19, 2012 09:39 AM (/ZZCn)

259 And to complete your orientation to this wonderful country, you don't have to get married in a church. The argument about forcing churches to marry gays is absurd.

***

Oh no, they aren't forcing churches to adopt to homosexuals.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:39 AM (iu657)

260 257 and 249

exactly......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:39 AM (Ho2rs)

261 I don't really care what organized groups of gay people want (or any other group for that matter).

I'm a fiscal conservative, and personally socially apathetic. To me, fiscal conservatism is the core. If you are not paying for someone's lifestyle and the lifestyle is negative, the problem will take care of itself.

I have a problem though with some social conservatives who think that social conservatism is the base of conservative values, and then seem to have no problem with government intervention in that area. It is never consistent, and the support for Medicare, other social charity, and the like just ends up happening.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:39 AM (B5qn7)

262 256 That story gets weirder and weirder. All you have to do is ask why there was a reporter there in the first place. I hear that the priest was a serious werido BUT the moreI read about him the more I find that "weirdo" here means "is faithful to catholic doctrine".

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:40 AM (u50z0)

263 Fiscal conservatism and social conservatism are the same thing. It's all about the constitution baby. You either think it has a throbbing bosom or you don't.

Let's see if I get the predicted response.....................

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:42 AM (u50z0)

264 The only way I would feel worse about Romney would
be a Santorum or Newt VP pick. He has the opportunity to pick someone
not awful to decrease his own awfulness.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:35 AM (u50z0)


I'd agree with you if the VP had any share in making policy. At most he would be a task leader on a narrow project, probably in foreign policy. Mitt's awfulness is indeed awful, and there is nothing but self delusion that will change that.
Most likely Mitt will choose a good VP that most people on the Right will like, but he'll do it to appease people who think he's awful, making him even more awful.

Posted by: runninrebel at March 19, 2012 09:42 AM (N/1Dm)

265 If you are not paying for someone's lifestyle


oh but you are.

Posted by: Billions of taxpayer dollar wasted on the homosexual agenda at March 19, 2012 09:43 AM (Zw/H7)

266 Gabe, I understand what you are saying about gay marriage, but the organizing, conservative principle behind it can't be that 'gays benefit from the institution so it should be allowed'.

There are plenty of things that liberals claim are positive from government programs, and some benefits may be real, at least in the short-term. The benefit to one group (or all groups) can't overcome the objection to using government as a tool to pick any type of winners or losers through policy.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:43 AM (B5qn7)

267 Anyone participate in wadi bashing?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 09:43 AM (eEfYn)

268 I don't think we are doomed, but the current crop of candidates do not inspire a great deal of confidence. Anitdotal, but my Jewish neighbor (in his 70s) down here in Florida voted for Ogabe. He will NOT this time. He is a member of a photography group (about 9 retirees) and all but one feel the same way. They hate Baraka with the intensity of a 1,000 burning suns. However, to a person, they don't like any of the four republican candidates. Once we have a nominee, they will hold their nose a vote for the republican.

Given the state of the country, it's a real shame we don't have a stronger field. As for all of the doom, just look at the polls. Baraka is at 41% or lower in approval, only propped up by oversampling of democrats. The Pew poll with Baraka at 51% is based on pure fiction as it is a functionary of the dim party. I believe the dims are scared to death of a dramatic preference cascade.

Not a big fan of Romney, but worked with a fair number of members of the LDS church during my military career. To a man, and woman, they love this country unlike the commie in the WH. If Mitt loves our country and constitution as much as these people, we would be in good hands. Regardless of our nominee, will crawl over broken glass and swim a saltwater pool to vote ABO.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at March 19, 2012 09:43 AM (WUWb9)

269
Gabe, he didn't violate 915.
Oh, yes, he did. See here: http://bit.ly/wBREwqhere: http://bit.ly/A25LvQand here: http://bit.ly/FQ4CSz

If you only have time for one or two, start with the third, then the first. But the whole blog is actually very interesting and not just limited to the lesbian communion question.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 19, 2012 09:44 AM (IkTb7)

270 #105

I've lost count of the number of times I've had to explain to people who declare that my stance is based simply on hatred of Mexicans, that I'd be equally unhappy if a million Ukranians, technically my people, flooded into my part of the country with no filtering or restrictions. The problems would be the same and I don't feel any special connection to the place my ancestors left at the first opportunity.

Posted by: epobirs at March 19, 2012 09:45 AM (kcfmt)

271 The douche-meter just melted.

Most import douche-meters are just re-labeled stickers on discount VOMs. For the most accurate readings and safety get the original Douche-o-Meter. Made in the USA with precision 3 jewel movement and double bypass enfrabulators for safety the Douche-o-Meter can detect an ironically opened Pabst Blue Ribbon from over 50 yards. From the Jersey Shore to the Seattle coffee bar Douche-o-Meter sets the standard.

Posted by: DaveA at March 19, 2012 09:45 AM (m16LA)

272 Fiscal conservatism and social conservatism are the same thing if you recognize and are willing to accept the limitations explicit and implicit in the Constitution.

I really don't care for the latest trend though, for example, that anything done on the state level is fine because the Constitution gives powers to the state. There should be a higher bar to be considered a conservative.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:46 AM (B5qn7)

273 Speaking of wasted posts, this is one, Gabby.

Posted by: Gerry at March 19, 2012 09:47 AM (+udX7)

274 Requesting suggestions. I have a bird feeder right out of my kitchen window. We have had a big, fat cat (coming from an unknown neighboring house) catching and killing the birds nearly every morning at the feeder. I can move it to a tree, but then I won't be able to see them come to the window anymore. Any thoughts on how to get rid of that damned cat? Ones that don't involve poison or bullets (although I'm getting pretty pissed off at this point)?

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 09:47 AM (F+Xfj)

275 Most likely Mitt will choose a good VP that most people on the Right will like, but he'll do it to appease people who think he's awful, making him even more awful.
Posted by: runninrebel at March 19, 2012 09:42 AM (N/1Dm)
___________

This is standard policy - I see no reason this would not happen in this cycle. Squish on top, Con on bottom. We on the Right must always content ourselves with being "a heartbeat away" from the presidency. At least with this system one of these days things may turn our way. I don't see how it makes him "more awful."

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2012 09:47 AM (xUM1Q)

276 239 No, he wasn't suspended for embarrassing her. He was suspended for seriously violating Canon Law 915 and then getting into a public spat with his own parish staff over it. *** Gabe, he didn't violate 915. He refused to give an apostate Communion. That's the rule. She still received from a Eucharistic minister after he whispered he would not give it to her.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:28 AM (iu657)


Remember that this occured in Maryland which is 99% retard. The people that he tried to get to support him with the truth bailed like rats (not surprising). I've seen libs personally do things publically to priests that I wouldn't do to anybody. If they even catch a scent of non-democrat compliance they will lie, cheat, and steal to get that particular priest gone. There is nothing they won't stoop to.

You have to remember that through the 70s, 80s and early 90s the catholic parishes were used as democratic precinct halls ESP in Maryland.

He didn't do anything wrong. This is typical of that archdiocese.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:48 AM (u50z0)

277 he inadvertently opened the Sports Illustrated swim suit edition and jizzed in his pants.

Posted by: sexypig

OK, that joke sucked. Dang.


Yah, it needed the song and the o-face.

Posted by: DaveA at March 19, 2012 09:48 AM (m16LA)

278 #265

Then stop funding and creating those programs and no further government intervention needed.

What is so hard about that? What else is needed beyond that?

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:48 AM (B5qn7)

279 Oh, yes, he did.



Then how do you explain the letter from the Archdiocese that said his being placed on leave had nothing to do with refusal of communion to this woman?

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 09:49 AM (P6QsQ)

280 If the priest was thinking ahead, he would have brought out two unblessed eucarists and gave each lesbian one. Although secretly giving a eucarist straight from the bakery, and not telling them it hasn't been blessed yet would probably be a moral dilema for the priest.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 09:49 AM (mZ+XA)

281 Any thoughts on how to get rid of that damned cat? Ones that don't involve poison or bullets (although I'm getting pretty pissed off at this point)?
Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 09:47 AM (F+Xfj)
___________

Well, that cuts way down on the options. I assume you also include bows and arrows in that list of banned tools. How about a live trap and a trip to the country side? I don't think "reasoned dialogue" is on the table.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2012 09:49 AM (xUM1Q)

282 Good arguments on your blog today Allen. Well thought out on Moral law.
Gotta run. Thanks

Posted by: Pecos, still yearning for Perry at March 19, 2012 09:49 AM (2Gb0y)

283 >>>>Any thoughts on how to get rid of that damned cat? Ones that don't
involve poison or bullets (although I'm getting pretty pissed off at
this point)?


1. Water pistol + vinegar

2. Doggy shock pad.

3. Garden hose on "High"

4. Get a dog. Let nature take it's course.

Posted by: runninrebel at March 19, 2012 09:50 AM (N/1Dm)

284 If memory serves, until the bread goes through and gets blessed, its still just unleavened bread.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 09:51 AM (mZ+XA)

285 As soon as Mutt loses this November, we need to start encouraging him to go ahead and just run as a Democrat next time. Because you know he's not going home until he either wins or dies.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at March 19, 2012 09:51 AM (fuw6p)

286 I really don't care for the latest trend though, for example, that anything done on the state level is fine because the Constitution gives powers to the state.

States have constitutions too. A major point of Federalism (see Federalist Paper #10) is that if you don't like the state you're in you can change.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:51 AM (u50z0)

287 Can we impeach AG Holder now? Any official in any capacity who wants to brainwash American citizens does not have our best interests at heart.

Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2012 09:51 AM (/ZZCn)

288 Cats are predators. Birds are prey. Not much you can do about that unless you want to get into genetic engineering.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 09:51 AM (P6QsQ)

289 The SCOAMF is going to burn 52,410 gal of jet fuel to tell us there is nothing he can do about fuel prices. If only he had access to some sort of mass communication device he could save the taxpayers $260,000.00.

Posted by: dontheflyer at March 19, 2012 09:52 AM (vOcVu)

290 Gabby, do you realize we are on the Gregorian calendar now?
"I only write about gay marriage every few months or so ..."

Well, to be precise, NEVER, because there ain't no such beast.
You are free to push same-sex pseudo-marriage all you want, but I'm calling you on it every time you lie by intentionally mislabeling it..

Posted by: Gerry at March 19, 2012 09:52 AM (+udX7)

291 284 Yeah. That's true, but that shows you how bad the parish was if an extraordinary minister went ahead and gave it communion.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:52 AM (u50z0)

292 Womans sufferage and feminist activists..blah..get back in the kitchen.

Posted by: MartyRight at March 19, 2012 09:53 AM (uhPd1)

293 If you only have time for one or two, start with the third, then the first. But the whole blog is actually very interesting and not just limited to the lesbian communion question.

***

I looked at the last one. The sticking point according to the article is that he did not conclusively prove she is a lesbian buddhist, although she herself stated as much to him.

Flimsy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 19, 2012 09:53 AM (iu657)

294 Posted by: MartyRight at March 19, 2012 09:53 AM

Go fluke yourself.

Good morning, everyone else.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2012 09:54 AM (ZKzrr)

295 Stay at home moms are seenas lazy in our culture.

Posted by: MartyRight at March 19, 2012 09:54 AM (uhPd1)

296 280 The problem there is that when you give someone communion you say: "The body of Christ" and then they say "amen" which is saying that "I am in compliance with the doctrines of the Catholic Church, in a state of Grace, and worthy to receive the flesh of God as a life-giving meal".

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 09:55 AM (u50z0)

297 Let's presume that Romney gets the nomination. If so, who would the Horde like to see get the VP slot?

Off the top of my head, I would like Rubio (though didn't he say he wouldn't take it?), Jindal (don't know if he would or not), Perry (cannot see that happening), Paul Ryan (oh great now I'm taunting myself) or possibly Rand Paul (I try not to hold the sins of the father against him). Who would everyone else like?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:55 AM (VtjlW)

298 #156

Wow, reading the whole thing is like an Onion piece about 80s narcissism taken to the Nth degree.

She should have just had her forehead tattooed to read, "DO NOT TAKE ME SERIOUSLY ON ANYTHING."

Posted by: epobirs at March 19, 2012 09:55 AM (kcfmt)

299 And in with another flaccid troll.

Cry 'racistsexisthomophobe' and leave, douche.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 09:55 AM (MMC8r)

300
"The U.S. bishops’ guidelines for receiving Communion state, "We also
welcome to this celebration those who do not share our faith in Jesus
Christ. While we cannot admit them to Communion, we ask them to offer
their prayers for the peace and the unity of the human family."
Because they have not received baptism, the gateway to the other sacraments, non-Christians cannot receive Communion" http://tinyurl.com/76wepmo

Why was this guys suspended? He did exactly the right thing. There has to be more to this story.

Posted by: question at March 19, 2012 09:55 AM (oZfic)

301 270
The absolutely amazing thing to me regarding American politics has been the almost complete absence of discussion of legal immigration levels. Historically that has been as issue during poor economic times. Not anymore. Immigration control is no more. Sure there are a few immigration control groups (generally ignored or dismissed as racist) calling for restrictions of various forms and the Wall Street Journal with calls for open borders (along with some limited discussion of H1B visas).

We retain policy of limited enforcement of land crossings (while pushing most immigrants to rural crossing areas) with random interior enforcement - just enough to get media coverage of deportations and to rile up the 'undocumented immigrant' lobbies.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 09:56 AM (eEfYn)

302 #286

Yes, but I also don't have to consider something conservative just because it was appropriately executed and Constitutional at the state level.

I have seen federalism used as a tactic to avoid difficult policy decisions or to excuse policy blunders more than as a stepping stone to conservative policy lately.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:56 AM (B5qn7)

303 But Perry said "heartless".

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 19, 2012 09:56 AM (kaOJx)

304 States have constitutions too. A major point of Federalism (see
Federalist Paper #10) is that if you don't like the state you're in you
can change.


This.

Yes, according to the Federal Constitution, if the people in a State were stupid enough to ratify that State's Constitution giving it power to, for instance, limit free speech or the right to bear arms, the State would then have that power. The Founders were pretty well counting on that not happening.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 09:56 AM (8y9MW)

305 What many people do not realize is that by giving communion to a person living in a situation actively and publicly outside the fellowship of the Church and not in a right relationship with God, that this places the minister or priest in the very precarious position with regards to their own responsibilities to care for their flock and their own standing as ministers of the Gospel. It is a very serious thing, for both the receiver and the giver. It is not to be taken lightly.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 09:56 AM (P6QsQ)

306 Pity the world, or else this glutton be,
To eat the world's due, by the grave and thee.

Posted by: Barky Milhous Obumbles at March 19, 2012 09:57 AM (lpWVn)

307 Well, that cuts way down on the options. I assume you also include bows
and arrows in that list of banned tools. How about a live trap and a
trip to the country side? I don't think "reasoned dialogue" is on the
table.


Reasoned dialogue, in the form of my screaming, hasn't worked out so well. I've even thought of putting nails sticking up all over the ground so the cat wouldn't walk there, but don't think my husband's lawnmower would care for that. I just saw that POS walk away with another bird in its mouth, looking up at me like, "what are you going do about it?" -- before running off with the thing in its mouth. If I could get outside fast enough, I'd throw rocks at it, but it takes off the minute I open the back door. I'm pretty pissed at the Malevolent Evil Kitteh.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 09:57 AM (F+Xfj)

308 G'morning, 'ettes and 'rons.

Reading about the Missouri caucuses and having lived through Iowa's, I have come to the conclusion that the Republican party is even more fucked up than the Democrat.

We are screwed ten feet into the ground.

Posted by: creeper at March 19, 2012 09:58 AM (gre5a)

309 ....so the old pictures or it didn't happen defense is what gets the priest in trouble....


hi father.....i'm queer as a three dollar bill....just in case you didn't get the vibe from my brocut or my man clothes.. or the introduction to my lover....WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T RECEIVE COMMUNION!!!! i never sent in my buddhist conversion papers!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:59 AM (Ho2rs)

310 Then stop funding and creating those programs and no further government intervention needed. What is so hard about that? What else is needed beyond that?
Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 09:48 AM (B5qn7)

_______________


Sadly, what's hard is that we live in a land peopled largely with do-gooders who want to engineer happy outcomes for all, or else deprive everyone of pleasures they choose not to indulge because "it's bad for you." They will not go along with the idea.
I have no use for any of them, Right or Left, though of course I hate the Lefties far, far more.
In the last century we decided that people couldn't be mean-spiritedassholes any more, nor could they be self-destructive. Everybody has to be nice, or mommy State will punish.A central key to this horrid nanny-ism is the plethora of anti-descrimination laws. Noble intent - horrible overall consequences and precedent. Those laws are here forever, because no one can prevail against them. The other foundational part of the problem is the idea that, in America, no one can be allowed to die as a result of bad choices - especially not the little kiddies and women.
We're stuck with things being like this until somebody hits the "reset" button.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2012 09:59 AM (xUM1Q)

311 #162

I live in a community property state so far as divorce is concerned. A guy legally entangling himself to four potential simultaneous divorces is really not looking out for himself. And the women likewise are dumb for dividing the pot, no matter how optimistic they may feel going in.

Lewis Grizzard: "I'm not going to get married anymore. I'm just going to find a woman I don't like and give her a house."

Posted by: epobirs at March 19, 2012 09:59 AM (kcfmt)

312 The priest should have offered her ladyfingers.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 10:00 AM (MMC8r)

313 Just a thought: If Obama loses this election, but isn't totally destroyed, will he (and the Democrats) try to pull at Grover Cleveland in 2016?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at March 19, 2012 10:00 AM (Y5I9o)

314 312 nickless


can you pass me the paper towels.....and some windex?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 10:00 AM (Ho2rs)

315 Yes, but I also don't have to consider something conservative just
because it was appropriately executed and Constitutional at the state
level.


Correct. Liberalism exists at all levels, and needs to be opposed at all levels. But you have to be careful not to use the Federal Government to impose "Conservative" ideas on the States. Because then you win the battle but lose the war.

Once the Federal Government is involved in something (on either side) it will never leave- and eventually the Liberals will be in control again (as they are now) and will implement Liberal Policies.

The best way to keep them out is to explicitly embrace Federalism. To say, "The Federal Government has no role in this. Let the States decide."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 19, 2012 10:01 AM (8y9MW)

316 Why was this guys suspended? He did exactly the right thing. There has to be more to this story.

Supposedly he was a well known contrarian. We have a couple in this diocese who are a constant source of irritation to the Bishop because they won't go along to get along and send the libturds into constant fits. The Bishops prefer them not to make big stinks. I don't know what the guy was supposed to do in this situation.

Seriously, most of the bishops are just CEOs.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 10:02 AM (u50z0)

317 #183

The argument wasn't suggesting the same people who take up polygamy were going to marry a dog down the road. The argument was that every time you accede to a minority's demand for recognition of their special interest it sets up the next minority group to start pushing for their special demand.

Related to the 'defining deviancy down' issue.

Posted by: epobirs at March 19, 2012 10:03 AM (kcfmt)

318
Let's presume that Romney gets the nomination. If so, who would the Horde like to see get the VP slot?

Susana Martinez, NM gov. would be a really good choice.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 10:03 AM (F+Xfj)

319 >>We have had a big, fat cat (coming from an unknown neighboring house)

Track him to his home, and have a conversation with his humans about how he's going to lose all his nine lives if they don't keep him inside?

Birdfeeders are the best cat toy I ever bought. :-D But my cats stay indoors unless we're out with a leash.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2012 10:04 AM (ZKzrr)

320 NAMBLA is to gays...

Why does everyone involve the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes in these stupid arguments?

Posted by: Dead ringer for Marlon Brando at March 19, 2012 10:05 AM (+LCjv)

321 309 ....so the old pictures or it didn't happen defense is what gets the priest in trouble.... hi father.....i'm queer as a three dollar bill....just in case you didn't get the vibe from my brocut or my man clothes.. or the introduction to my lover....WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T RECEIVE COMMUNION!!!! i never sent in my buddhist conversion papers!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 09:59 AM (Ho2rs)


The Bishops want everyone that says they are catholic to receive communion. They want people to be "privately counseled" to not take communion if they are in a state of sin. Of course, this is the wrong thing to do--it's a sacriledge but I guess they figure Jesus can work it out.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 10:05 AM (u50z0)

322 #315

Well-stated. This informs my ideas about this fiscal/social conservatism.

To the other discussion, I don't worry about the consequences of behavior when there is no interest group or program taking productive resources to sustain it, either on the national of state level.

Posted by: Paper at March 19, 2012 10:06 AM (B5qn7)

323 Wonderful. Al Sharpton is coming to the town I'm moving to.
http://tinyurl.com/7addljv

Posted by: Cindermutha at March 19, 2012 10:07 AM (esohW)

324 69

@59

Romney endorsing statehood for Puerto Rico helped him.

73. "Promise them anything; just get their votes." WMR

Should Puerto Rico vote to petition statehood, PR won't need Romney's help getting Congressional approval through the Democrat Leadership in Congress.

Is there really a question as to how Republican Leadership will vote? No one wants to offend the Hispanic vote, especially not McCain's Bush Party.

When presented with the passage, Mitt will go with the flow since he already gave his word, vainly hoping that since a Republican President granted PR statehood, that will produce Republican PR voters. .


Posted by: Mitt shoots but misses at March 19, 2012 10:07 AM (lpWVn)

325 Any thoughts on how to get rid of that damned cat?
--------------------------------------


LIB, I have my bird feeders hanging from metal rod hangers about 6 ft tall that came from Lowes. They are high enough off the ground that a cat can not jump to the feeder and the rods are so small in diameter that a cat can not climb them.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:08 AM (YdQQY)

326 Gabe's on Twitter right now touting the strengths of the rebounding economy:

"Jobless claims are at 4-year lows, retail sales in Feb saw largest increase since October, purchasing is up 6.5% over last year. Shall I go on? "



Greg? Is that you?

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 10:08 AM (P6QsQ)

327
Gabe's on Twitter right now touting the strengths of the rebounding economy:

Actually, I'm responding to Drew, who attacked Romney by claiming that aren't any "metrics" that show the economy is recoving. Actually, there are many such metrics. We won't win by pretending that the economy is tanking if that's not actually true. We have to win on the facts, not the pretend facts that would make winning easier.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 19, 2012 10:10 AM (IkTb7)

328 @HeatherRadish -- I've actually tried to do that. Too many fences and trees around to really figure out where death squad kitteh, aka mofo kitteh, is coming from. I love cats and don't want to hurt him (much) but it's become a daily occurrence. I'm just going to have to move the feeder to where it's no longer visible.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 10:10 AM (F+Xfj)

329 Retail sales are up because the prices of everything are up, not because people are confidently buying more.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2012 10:11 AM (ZKzrr)

330 The problem with all the economy metric showing it improving is that they are lies.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:12 AM (YdQQY)

331 326 Did you catch this Gabe gem:
" This is like the people on Sunday who demanded I pretend the new EO is an order to nationalize industry and conscript people."


Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 10:12 AM (u50z0)

332 How about borrowing a big dog? German Shepards like cats. Huskies like them a lot.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 10:12 AM (u50z0)

333 Any thoughts on how to get rid of that damned cat?

Diabeetus may take a while... you could try a .22

Posted by: Wilford Brimley at March 19, 2012 10:13 AM (+LCjv)

334 @Vic -- that's a thought. Mine's not that tall. I'll have to run out to Lowe's and see what I can find.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 10:13 AM (F+Xfj)

335 ATK Awarded Contract to Supply 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber Ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security

ATK has secured a major Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity deal to supply up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security.
The 1 year contract with four option years comes at a time when many Americans believe that DHS, along with certain aspects of the military, will soon turn their sights on the American people during some sort of martial law scenario.
“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, the president of ATK’s Security and Sporting group,” reported a PR Newswire release.

Posted by: Che Guevara at March 19, 2012 10:14 AM (e8kgV)

336 honestly.....wilford brimley.....i thought you were dead 15 yrs ago....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 10:14 AM (Ho2rs)

337 LIB, one other option is lemon scent. Cat's hate lemon scent. Spray it around the feeder on the ground.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:14 AM (YdQQY)

338 Put a sprinkler on the ground under the bird feeder.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 10:15 AM (MMC8r)

339 let's douse the blog in lemon scent!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 10:15 AM (Ho2rs)

340 We won't win by pretending that the economy is tanking if that's not actually true.




We won't win by promoting Democrat talking points either.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 10:15 AM (P6QsQ)

341
let's douse the blog in lemon scent!!!!
------------------------------


LOL, I know what you did there.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:16 AM (YdQQY)

342 ((vic)) how are you and the mrs doing?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 10:16 AM (Ho2rs)

343 mama winger @99 "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."

So true. Sadly, if you apply that to Santorum the result isn't much more encouraging.

Posted by: creeper at March 19, 2012 10:17 AM (gre5a)

344
LOL - Jobless claims at 4 year low.

Translation - unemployment compensation mostly expired for the unemployed.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 10:17 AM (mZ+XA)

345 We are doing fine right now. Thanks

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:17 AM (YdQQY)

346

Holder was addressing the Woman's National Democratic Club. In his
remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use
anti-smoking campaigns as his model to "change the hearts and minds of
people in Washington, DC" about guns.

"What we need to do is change the way in which people think about
guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool,
that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the
way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes."

Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation's
capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials "that
make me buy things that I don't really need." He had also approached
local newspapers and television stations, he said, asking them to devote
prime space and time, respectively, to his anti-gun campaign.

Local political leaders and celebrities, Holder said, including Mayor
Marion Barry and Jesse Jackson, had been asked to help. In addition, he
reported, he had asked the local school board to make the anti-gun
message a part of "every day, every school, and every level."

Despite strict gun control efforts, Washington, DC was and remains
one of the nation's most dangerous cities for gun violence, though crime
has abated somewhat since the 1990s.

Posted by: Ebenezer R. Hoar at March 19, 2012 10:17 AM (e8kgV)

347 Condoms for 12 yr olds from the school. http://tinyurl.com/88gwgs6

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 19, 2012 10:17 AM (u50z0)

348 the government's role in gay marriage is the same as government's role in marriage: protecting spouses and children by, among other things, ensuring orderly inheritance of property, upholding spousal and parental rights, securing legitimation and adoption benefits, and achieving positive outcomes for society at large. That's it, in a nutshell.

Gabe, you left out the onerous reasons why Government got involved in marriage: public health, political control of dynasties, genetic and racial issues, taxation, and your response still avoids the specific government interest in gay marriage -- the only issue that I can see that is not addressed by other law is the immunity from spousal testimony crap.

You note: protecting spouses and children - that is a very recent addition to government's role in marriage, and how will Government tip the scales in favor of the wife in a gay marriage, are dominant and submissive roles to assigned by the court? I don't think you want to go into children in gay marriages, as that polls incredible negatives. Orderly inheritance is not marriage issue, marriage(s) are element of estate law and that predates governments' role in marriage by centuries. Upholding spousal and parental rights , again a very nuanced, recent growth in government's role, legitimization not sure to what you refer, and adoption - please, I would love to turn the public debate on gay marriage into one on gay adoption.

Your list of government interests is full of soft, fuzzy roles for government. Government expanded into marriage on hard interests like STDs, genetic abnormalities, reducing the power of the churches, preventing interracial unions, and the breaking of clans and the political power of extended families. What are the hard interests for gay marriage, why invite the devil into your bedroom?

I also think you would be surprised about the response of conservatives towards getting the government out of marriage. We would be better off with commitment marriage covenants (contracts), developed by our particular faiths.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:18 AM (WkuV6)

349
More people unqulaified for unemplyment since SCoaMF ascended to the throne. Love us!

Posted by: Jimmah at March 19, 2012 10:19 AM (mZ+XA)

350 Didn't know that about lemon. Will try that too. I'm scared he's going to nail one of the beautiful Cardinals that come around daily. It's only a matter of time. Then...it's personal. Cat meet SMOD.

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 10:19 AM (F+Xfj)

351
"What we need to do is change the way in which people think about

guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool,

that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore



Yeah. I see that working so, so well on the Crips and Bloods and MS13.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2012 10:20 AM (MMC8r)

352
President Obama’s re-election campaign has launched an all-out
defense of his landmark, and unpopular, health care overhaul, a move
that marks a realization: The issue can’t be avoided.
President
Obama’s aides promised Democrats they’d be rewarded in the 2010 midterms
for what supporters call the Affordable Care Act and detractors label
“ObamaCare.” When they were instead, as Obama said, shellacked in
midterms, the White House sought repeatedly to change the subject and
“pivoted” several times to the issue of jobs.

Posted by: Donna Shalala at March 19, 2012 10:21 AM (e8kgV)

353 BWA HA HA!



" Jobless claims at 4-year low" is not a sign of recovery.
Think about it, Gabby.

Posted by: Gerry at March 19, 2012 10:21 AM (+udX7)

354 I'm scared he's going to nail one of the beautiful Cardinals that come around daily.
----------------------


I have a bunch of cardinals that come around. The thing I get that is aggravating is the damn cow birds and grackles. They swarm in in droves and clean the feeder out in just a few minutes.

That is when I want to get out there with the shotgun. Too bad I have a cop living down the street.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 10:22 AM (YdQQY)

355 Lady in Black - cats also don't like aluminum foil. Not sure how much of your yard you could Reynold's Wrap however.

Posted by: mama winger at March 19, 2012 10:22 AM (P6QsQ)

356 FIVE suspected terrorists gunned
down by police in Bali on Sunday night had made diagrams of a beachside
bar popular with Australian tourists.





The suspects "surveyed" the La Vida Loca bar in Seminyak, along
with at least two robbery targets, during a month-long police monitoring
operation before Sunday night's raid in which they were killed by
Densus 88 counter-terrorism police.
The Australian has confirmed
that Australian authorities were informed by Indonesian police during
the surveillance operation that a suspected militant group was under
close watch.

Posted by: Abu Bakar Bashir at March 19, 2012 10:23 AM (e8kgV)

357 POLICE in China have held a
Singaporean banker for two weeks without allowing her access to a lawyer
after her client allegedly fled the country with millions of dollars,
her fiance says.





Eden Wu, who has worked in Shanghai for Standard Chartered's
private banking business for nine months, was detained on March 6 as she
prepared to travel to Singapore for her wedding, Jason Tan told AFP
today.
Police are investigating one of her clients, who allegedly
escaped China with his family with millions in embezzled funds, he said.
"She
is being questioned every day, she can't make phone calls, and she
hasn't been allowed to see her lawyer," Tan said, adding that
representatives at the Singapore consulate and Wu's parents had been
able to visit her on Friday.

Posted by: Xue Feng at March 19, 2012 10:24 AM (e8kgV)

358 Let me be clear.According to my chart - Every 99 weeks the number of jobless claims halves. Happy days are here again! You should be thanking me.

Posted by: SCoaMF at March 19, 2012 10:26 AM (mZ+XA)

359 We have to win on the facts, not the pretend facts that would make winning easier.

You don't win with own goals. If those "facts" are actually positive, make them crow about it.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:26 AM (WkuV6)

360 A delegation of the Afghan parliament members who visited Kandahar
province said at least 15 US troops were behind the assassination of 16
Afghan villagers at Panjwai district in this province.


The delegation included 5 Afghan parliament members who were sent by
the Afghan House of Representatives to find out the facts behind the
massacre of 16 Afghan civilians at Panjwai district.


The delegation presented its findings report to the Afghan House of
Representative which states that the civilians massacre was plotted
where at least 15 US troops were involved.

Posted by: Khaama Press at March 19, 2012 10:28 AM (e8kgV)

361 23 Yes I am sure you "think" you have a say-so in who the Republican nominee is. That is why it is likely to be a nominee that 70% of Republicans hate.
Its 2008 all over again. Standby for Republican Party becoming the Whig Party.

Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2012 07:17 AM (YdQQY)

Ewwww... new Meme?

"Lets Get Whiggy with it!"

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2012 10:28 AM (lZBBB)

362 @mama -- I used to put tin foil on my countertops to keep my Siamese from climbing up there. He always jumped up and set the alarm off when I was at work. The foil kept him off. I could try a trifecta lemon/foil/6ft pole combo!

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 19, 2012 10:29 AM (F+Xfj)

363 Vic, airsoft shotty -- legal, safe, fun.

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:30 AM (WkuV6)

364 jean

sling shots are fun too.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 19, 2012 10:31 AM (Ho2rs)

365 Any rioting over the 16 dead, like they did over a burned Koran that had already been defaced?

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:31 AM (WkuV6)

366 Fabulous developments on the citizenship front:

Human Rights Campaign has teamed up, amazingly and transparently, with 'ya es hora ciudadania' and other wonderful groups to assist immigrants with the citizenship process (disclaimer: I am not opposed to citizenship for immigrants in general). According to them:

'This growth in credibility and numbers exist thanks to the transparency
of an amazing coalition lead by HRC, Mi Familia Vota and Caesars
Entertainment which also includes the Latin Chamber of Commerce, El Tiempo newspaper,
Univision KINC 15, Univision Radio, American Immigration Lawyers
Association, Columbian Association of Las Vegas, Dream Big Vegas,
Hermandad Mexicana, Luz Community Development Coalition, National
Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund,
National Council of La Raza, Nevada Youth Coalition, SEIU Nevada and
Wells Fargo.'

The 'National
Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund' should get a prize for the best name.

Note: This has no effect on Puerto Rican immigrants/migrants who already hold U.S. citizenship even if they no hablan ingles.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 10:32 AM (eEfYn)

367 phoenixgirl -- many places restrict them as well, the airsoft are "toys". But birds don't like biodegradable pellets at 360fps

Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:33 AM (WkuV6)

368 Or focus on making people understand that the improvements are in spite of the administration, not because of it and things could be far better with different people in charge.

Don't deny reality. Apply it.

Posted by: epobirs at March 19, 2012 10:36 AM (kcfmt)

369 Welcome to "Silence the Nation;" the world's longest running gag. I'm yer host.

Posted by: Bawb Scheisser at March 19, 2012 10:38 AM (vhwRj)

370 I'm not Catholic, so I had to look up Canon Law 915, which states as follows:
Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

If I'm not mistaken, official Catholic doctrine views active homosexuality as gravely sinful. The woman who was denied communion was openly and actively homosexual, which would seem on its face to qualify as "obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin." So, I'm not seeingwhy in the context of Catholic doctrine, there would be any controversy about that priest denying communion to that women in accordance with this particular Canon law.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2012 10:39 AM (v+QvA)

371 Soviet joke: “What is socialism? The longest road from capitalism to capitalism.”

Posted by: Kenny The Nail Guy at March 19, 2012 10:39 AM (e8kgV)

372 Of course, that would mean two more Democratic
Senate seats for life.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2012 08:07 AM (kdS6q)
Maybe not. PR's Governor, House Speaker, and Senate President are all Republicans. Doubt they'd be a conservative state, but possibly a purple one.

Posted by: Jon at March 19, 2012 10:39 AM (eDYiH)

373 Obama ran up as much debt in 3.15 years as Bush ran up in eight years.

Posted by: Elliott Abrams at March 19, 2012 10:42 AM (e8kgV)

374
Here are Politico’s”four hard truths”:
Some people won’t get to keep the coverage they like;Costs aren’t going to go down;It’s just a guess that the law is going to pay for itself;“The more they know, the more they’ll like it” isn’t happening.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 19, 2012 10:44 AM (e8kgV)

375 363 Vic, airsoft shotty -- legal, safe, fun.
Posted by: Jean at March 19, 2012 10:30 AM (WkuV6)



Airsoft guns are a lot of fun, until you get shot with one. Those puppies sting!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 19, 2012 10:44 AM (DrWcr)

376 If we spent as much time bashing the SCOAMF as we did each other...we would bash the SCOAMF a whole lot. Guess I need more coffee.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 19, 2012 10:47 AM (RD7QR)

377 If the House and Senate [and President] don't act in time, a list of things will happen
that are anathema either to Republicans or Democrats or both. The Bush
tax cuts will expire. The temporary payroll tax cut will end.
Unemployment benefits will be severely curtailed. And all on Jan. 1,
2013. Happy New Year!

Posted by: John Maynard Keynes at March 19, 2012 10:52 AM (e8kgV)

378 It may not be a law but is indeed a sense of the House...
From Vdare.com:

"Of course, it was disingenuous for Fortuno claim to that language policy
“shouldn’t be an issue” when Puerto Rico sends their petition for
statehood to the U.S. Congress, which may occur as early as November
2012. It will immediately and inevitably become an issue—just as it
did back in April 2010 when an amendment offered by Rep. Dan Burton of
Indiana to require Puerto Rico to conform to the de facto language of
the U.S. federal government—English—overwhelmingly passed the House of
Representatives by a bipartisan vote of 301 to 100 (111th Congress, 2nd session, Roll Call 237)."

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 10:55 AM (eEfYn)

379 " If we spent as much time bashing the SCOAMF as we did each other...we would bash the SCOAMF a whole lot."

Oh, the president's not such a bad guy. He did bring us into recovery mode. It's that economic illiterate Rick Santorum we need to be afraid of.

Posted by: Mittens McRomney at March 19, 2012 10:58 AM (gPDxp)

380
If Romney required Catholic hospitals to give Plan B and Catholic hospitals have been giving Plan B, what the hell is every body fighting for?

It seems that both Romney and the Catholic Bishops are full of shit. Seriously, this is ridiculous.

http://goo.gl/IqhUk

Posted by: mike at March 19, 2012 11:10 AM (kqXHe)

381 >>>PR is not a territory. It is a commonwealth.

No, it's a Barrio!

Posted by: mike at March 19, 2012 11:13 AM (kqXHe)

382
Again, someone please explain why we are going to bat for the Catholic Bishops when they have already rolled over in Mass?

Posted by: mike at March 19, 2012 11:21 AM (kqXHe)

383 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2012 11:22 AM (7W3wI)

384 Stupid fish endanger Obama's energy program

http://tinyurl.com/86c5kvw


Posted by: Bawb Scheisser at March 19, 2012 11:25 AM (vhwRj)

385 Mr. President, when should I expect your call?

Posted by: Bristol Palin at March 19, 2012 11:27 AM (DATOZ)

386 Again, someone please explain why we are going to bat for the Catholic Bishops when they have already rolled over in Mass?
---
I thought the alter boys were the ones who rolled over.


Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2012 11:32 AM (eEfYn)

387 When does he reach out to the voters he hasn't clinched yet?
Yeah, because shitting on the base is how Republicans usually handle things.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 19, 2012 12:12 PM (6RnvM)

388 The woman who was denied communion was openly and actively homosexual,
She also converted to Buddhism.

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