Was It Over When The Japs Bombed Santa Barbara?

Hell no - not by a long shot.

CDR M covered this last week but in case you missed it last Thursday was the 70th anniversary of the first Japanese attack on the US mainland.

On February 23rd, 1942 a Japanese submarine shelled the Ellwood oil refinery, just north of Santa Barbara, for 20 minutes from off-shore. Despite firing 25 shells it only did minimal damage to the refinery and the nearby pier. However panic ensued and the reports of another sub off the coast the next night resulted in the infamous battle of Los Angeles which was the basis of the movie, 1941.

There were other submarine-based attacks on the American mainland during the war but luckily they had little impact.

The Japanese submarines assigned to duty off North America continued to operate against allied shipping; in addition, they bombarded Fort Stevens along the Columbia River and attacked a Canadian lighthouse on Vancouver Island. Despite being ordered to attack capital ships whenever possible, the submarines ultimately engaged only in attacks against merchant vessels and minor bombardments of targets ashore. Also, two air raids were launched via submarine, in a failed attempt to start a forest fire in southwest Oregon.

It's always interesting to go back and read contemporary accounts of a historical event since there are often nuances and details to the story that have been lost in the intervening years. Plus we have the luxury of knowing how things turned out.

So here is the story as it appeared in a Los Angeles paper a day after the attack. Bonus points if you can name FDR's 'surprise' for the Japanese off the top of your head.

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Comments

1 another nostalgia thread....

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, lighting his hair on FIRE at February 28, 2012 07:58 PM (UqKQV)

2 Dolittle Raid was a surprise

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, lighting his hair on FIRE at February 28, 2012 07:59 PM (UqKQV)

3 And now we're just being attacked from within by the Religion of the Perpetually Pissed Off.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 07:59 PM (UOM48)

4 Doolittle

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, lighting his hair on FIRE at February 28, 2012 08:00 PM (UqKQV)

5 Bonus points if you can name FDR's 'surprise' for the Japanese off the top of your head.

Airdrop of Hello Kitty lunchboxes on Tokyo?

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2012 08:01 PM (6TB1Z)

6 O/T This is too precious: Jesse Ventura is threatening to sue the author of American Sniper.


Sorry for the O/T.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (UOM48)

7 Tentacle monster?

Posted by: Ben at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (UvdzB)

8 Supplies!!!

I denounce myself.

Posted by: wooga at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (vjyZP)

9

Dolittle Raid was a surprise


Posted by: SantaRosaStan, lighting his hair on FIRE at February 28, 2012 07:59 PM (UqKQV)

Dolittle is a synonym for Commander-in-Thief, Barky O'Stumblefuck.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (TkGkA)

10 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (7W3wI)

11 "attacked a Canadian lighthouse on Vancouver Island." - what's Japanese for, "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part"?

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (QTHTd)

12 I'm no FDR fan, but if he was as bad as BO, he would be claiming that he personally shot down Yamamoto.

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2012 08:03 PM (6TB1Z)

13 The Man Who Would Be King on TCM right now.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (7W3wI)

14 obama wanted to apologize to the Japs for the A Bomb but was talked out of it.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (i6RpT)

15 The Man Who Would Be King on TCM right now.
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (7W3wI)

Yes and I like that movie
GodFather 2 is on also

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (i6RpT)

16 Ace is on the Ben Howe show now! The link to the website is in the side bar

Posted by: Ben at February 28, 2012 08:05 PM (UvdzB)

17 We shot down Yamamoto

Posted by: the Black Sheep pilots at February 28, 2012 08:05 PM (UqKQV)

18 Clarence.
His gaping asshole unleashed a firebomb of unmitigated flatulence.
Scientists invented something less lethally nauseous and created the atom bomb to replace it.

Posted by: CAC at February 28, 2012 08:05 PM (03pec)

19
13 The Man Who Would Be King on TCM right now.
Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (7W3wI)



The original, or the version starring Ryan Gosling and Shia Labeouf, with a cameo by Will Smith as Billy Fish?

Posted by: wooga at February 28, 2012 08:05 PM (vjyZP)

20 What do you think the general response of the Los Angeles citizenry would be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?

Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:06 PM (P6QsQ)

21 There was a jerk troll here a few months ago who was sure the Iranian Navy was gonna wreck havoc off our east coast

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:07 PM (i6RpT)

22
...Today, I offer these words of apology for the Kenyan people. Yes, my American mother gave my sainted father the clap. Speaking for all Americans everywhere, I am deeply sorry.

Posted by: Preznit Mocchachino at February 28, 2012 08:07 PM (K6sn/)

23 What do you think the general response of the Los Angeles citizenry would be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?
Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:06 PM (P6QsQ)

Mass defecation except in Watts where they would riot

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:08 PM (i6RpT)

24 What do you think the general response of the Los
Angeles citizenry would be if California were attacked by a foreign
power today?


Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:06 PM (P6QsQ)

--------------------------------------DRINK!!!!!

Posted by: Los Angeles Citizenry at February 28, 2012 08:08 PM (j/nZn)

25 See, we only shot at the alien spaceship over LA because of xenophobia.

Posted by: TOm Hanks at February 28, 2012 08:08 PM (3aXbg)

26
21 There was a jerk troll here a few months ago who was sure the Iranian Navy was gonna wreck havoc off our east coast



Wrong coast, and it's called "Shahs of Sunset" premiering March 11 on Bravo. (seriously, LA Persian reality TV...).

Posted by: wooga at February 28, 2012 08:08 PM (vjyZP)

27 There was a jerk troll here a few months ago who was sure the Iranian Navy was gonna wreck havoc off our east coast
***
They could arrange to get sunk in annoying locations.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2012 08:09 PM (3aXbg)

28 be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?
Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:06 PM (P6QsQ)

You mean if the US tried to lift the occupation by the Mexican government in control now?

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:09 PM (mP3uM)

29 No Michigan thread? Really?

Posted by: Chris at February 28, 2012 08:09 PM (XGZYX)

30 What do you think the general response of the Los

Angeles citizenry would be if California were attacked by a foreign

power today?
***
Blame Bush?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2012 08:09 PM (3aXbg)

31 ESPN's gonna fire Maet.

Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2012 08:10 PM (XG+Mn)

32 19 Connery,Caine.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:10 PM (7W3wI)

33 Netanyahu will urge Obama to publicly back attack on Iran, sources say
Israeli prime minister to seek unified U.S.-Israel front against Iran on upcoming visit to Washington.

yeah good luck with that one Bibi.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:10 PM (i6RpT)

34 ESPN's gonna fire Maet.
Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2012 08:10 PM (XG+Mn)
?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:11 PM (i6RpT)

35 For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a headline?

Posted by: J at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (utI6Z)

36 >> ?

His choice of headline exposed a sizable chink in his armor.

Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (XG+Mn)

37 Wikipedia:

On September 9, 1942, Mount Emily, near Brookings [Oregon], became the first site in the continental United States to suffer aerial bombardment in wartime. A Japanese floatplane piloted by Nobuo Fujita launched from submarine I-25 was loaded with incendiary bombs and sent to start massive fires in the dense forests of the Pacific Northwest. The attack caused only minor damage.

Oregon Encyclopedia:

Brookings gained national attention in 1962, when organizers of the town’s annual Azalea Festival invited former Japanese naval pilot Nobuo Fujita to be the parade’s grand marshal.

...Although some local veterans threatened violence if Fujita visited Brookings, the 1962 event was successful and Fujita presented the city with his heirloom samurai sword (now on display in the Chetco Community Public Library, Brookings). The city declared him an honorary citizen, and he visited Brookings several more times before his death in 1997.

Helps if your bombing doesn't actually do any real damage...

Posted by: Bygones... at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (QgAFR)

38 I didn't even think about the Dolittle raid. I assumed the socialist sunuvabitch was talking about internment of ethnic Japanese on the West Coast. I'll bet there were a lot of people surprised by that.

Posted by: mongo78 at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (2b46R)

39 Near the end of the war, the Japs sent over high altitude weather balloons with incendiaries attached. They rode the jet-stream (which was then a new discovery) and then some sort of altimeter release them. A few actually started some major forest fires in the Pacific Northwest.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (Af3Wg)

40 Bombing Tokyo from Shangri-La. = P

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (sGtp+)

41 For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a headline?
Posted by: J at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (utI6Z)

Blog's reputation? We don't need no stinkin reputation

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:14 PM (i6RpT)

42 What do you think the general response of the Los Angeles citizenry
would be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?


Grab as many flat panels as you can, as fast as you can.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 28, 2012 08:14 PM (vbh31)

43 Waiting for curious/ambrosia/tinsley/jeremy lin fan to come over here and tell us why only New Yorkers should be allowed to know what happened on the West Coast during WWII.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:15 PM (UOM48)

44 Gimme numbers,I need numbers. Anyone have a link to local/early returns from MI or AZ?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 28, 2012 08:15 PM (HethX)

45 39 Killed a teacher and several students(they found it on a field trip and went over to look at it).Only American civilians killed on US mainland.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:16 PM (7W3wI)

46 not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a headline?
Posted by: J at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (utI6Z)

First explain why that is more offensive than Frog, WOP, Iceback, Limey, Paddy, or Kraut. Hell, just for fun defend "cracker".

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:16 PM (mP3uM)

47 "For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it
best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a
headline?"

No, but you can go make me a sandwich.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 28, 2012 08:16 PM (QTHTd)

48 In our house, we have designated places to meet up in case of
emergency. We have code words to indicate which location to head for. We have a second small residence for an emergency encampment which is stocked with 6 months supply of food. I
keep a "go bag" in my car along with first aid supplies, water, food
and blankets. My gas tank never gets below half full in case I have to
make a run for it. I keep spare cash stashed in strategic places so
that I don't have to worry about getting to an ATM. I have a large army
trunk packed and ready to load if I have the time for that. And I have
what things that ammo goes into.



If the shit hits Wisconsin, I am at least semi-ready.

Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:16 PM (P6QsQ)

49 Yesterday was the 70th anniversary of the battle of the Java Sea, where Allied naval forces were crushed by the Japanese while attempting to defend Indonesia.

Posted by: Chris at February 28, 2012 08:18 PM (XGZYX)

50 We learned about the jetstream when the B-29's couldn't get any accuracy from high altitude.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2012 08:18 PM (7W3wI)

51 Coast. I'll bet there were a lot of people surprised by that.
Posted by: mongo78 at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (2b46R)

Commies like gulags. Go figure.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:18 PM (mP3uM)

52 2 Belushi references on one OP. Excellent !!!!!!

Posted by: Dathi at February 28, 2012 08:19 PM (03woZ)

53
20What do you think the general response of the Los Angeles citizenry would be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?
Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:06 PM (P6QsQ)




Ummm....aren't they already pretty much overrun by a "foreign power"?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 28, 2012 08:19 PM (0xqzf)

54 If the Iranians were to shell say, Charleston harbor, SC, Preznit Stumblefuck would apologize. For whatever he could pull out of his ass.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:20 PM (UOM48)

55 This is so weird, because I grew up in LA when the war was still reverberating...I mean big squadrons of flying boxcars would roar over Eagle Rock from Lockhead every day. No idea what was going on. Korea, I guess.

My mother told me a lot of shit but she never told me about the attack. It must have been really scary for her, as she was a young mother back then, and she probably repressed it all.

She did bitch about the oleomargarine they had to eat instead of butter. She never said "Jap" and in fact had a soft spot for Japanese gardeners.

Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:20 PM (Bjwfs)

56
For the sake of the good reputation of this blog,
don't you think it best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely
seen as racist, in a headline?


Posted by: J at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (utI6Z)

Absolutely correct sir, therefore, let's replace the term Jap with something less offensive such as Nip or Gook!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at February 28, 2012 08:20 PM (TkGkA)

57 I think I'm a little tipsy.

Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:21 PM (Bjwfs)

58 For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it
best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a
headline?


Your concern has been duly noted and placed in our round file.

Posted by: Maet's secretary at February 28, 2012 08:21 PM (vbh31)

59 57
I think I'm a little tipsy.


Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:21 PM (Bjwfs)


Bless you, honey. Join the Horde.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:22 PM (UOM48)

60 If the shit hits Wisconsin, I am at least semi-ready.
Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:16 PM (P6QsQ)

Recently, we gave my step-daughter a car and delivered it to her in california. She said thanks. What she gushed over was the go-to-hell bag we included in case she has to evacuate San Diego. Weird.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:22 PM (mP3uM)

61 She did bitch about the oleomargarine they had to
eat instead of butter.


Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:20 PM (Bjwfs)

It's was my job to mix the coloring into the oleo to make "butter." Never tasted real butter until after the war. Still have my ration book and plan on using the coupons when Martial Law becomes a reality.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at February 28, 2012 08:23 PM (TkGkA)

62 I think I'm a little tipsy.


Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:21 PM



Just wait till the returns start rolling in. I'll join you.

Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:23 PM (P6QsQ)

63 58 For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it
best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a
headline?


Only by liberal assholes.

Brit vs. Jap... WTF is the difference?

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 28, 2012 08:24 PM (niZvt)

64 What she gushed over was the go-to-hell bag we included in case she has to evacuate San Diego. Weird.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:22 PM



You are a good parent.

Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:24 PM (P6QsQ)

65 Didn't have to be Nostra-fucking-damus to see this coming:
Numerous Tea Party chapters claim IRS attempts to sabotage nonprofit status
http://tinyurl.com/748zdlr

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 28, 2012 08:24 PM (AxHOT)

66 Santorum up by 10% with 1% reporting, per Fox. The count begins.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 28, 2012 08:25 PM (HethX)

67 Near the end of the war, the Japs sent over high altitude weather
balloons with incendiaries attached. They rode the jet-stream (which was
then a new discovery) and then some sort of altimeter release them. A
few actually started some major forest fires in the Pacific Northwest.



There was an all black company of paratroopers that had the duty of jumping in to fight these forest fires.

555th Parachute Infantry

Posted by: fluffy at February 28, 2012 08:25 PM (vRSeu)

68 She did bitch about the oleomargarine they had to eat instead of butter. She never said "Jap" and in fact had a soft spot for Japanese gardeners.
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:20 PM (Bjwfs)

John Wayne had a couple of Japanese gardners. He made them surrender first thing each morning.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at February 28, 2012 08:27 PM (mP3uM)

69 I pissed off libtard in-laws a few years ago by calling the ex-wife (bat-shit crazy, I might add) of a b-i-l a "wacky Paki" (yep, she's a Pokeestonni).


They were as offended as if I'd used the "n" word. Srsly. It was fun. heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:27 PM (UOM48)

70 It's was my job to mix the coloring into the oleo to
make "butter." Never tasted real butter until after the war. Still have
my ration book and plan on using the coupons when Martial Law becomes a
reality.


Posted by: Doctor Fish at February 28, 2012 08:23 PM




Oleo was illegal in Wisconsin till sometime in the 1960's.

Posted by: mama winger at February 28, 2012 08:27 PM (P6QsQ)

71 They were as offended as if I'd used the "n" word. Srsly. It was fun. heh
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2012 08:27 PM (UOM4


The Liberal Sense of Self-Righteousness.

It really is their most grating feature.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 28, 2012 08:28 PM (niZvt)

72 35 For the sake of the good reputation of this blog, don't you think it best to not include the word "Jap," which is widely seen as racist, in a headline?

Posted by: J at February 28, 2012 08:12 PM (utI6Z)


Well I pondered whether to use it or not but I just don't see it as being equivalent to other slurs despite the best efforts of self-appointed PC police to declare it so.

Plus I don't think Bluto would have used the longer form.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 28, 2012 08:29 PM (pAlYe)

73 On this day 70 years ago Japanese forces invaded Java, Indonesia. Among the Allied forces defending theisland was the American 2d Battalion of the 131st Field Artillery. About 77 were killed.

Posted by: Chris at February 28, 2012 08:29 PM (XGZYX)

74 73 On this day 70 years ago Japanese forces invaded Java, Indonesia. Among the Allied forces defending theisland was the American 2d Battalion of the 131st Field Artillery. About 77 were killed.
Posted by: Chris at February 28, 2012 08:29 PM (XGZYX)


I sure hope they didn't dehumanize their Japanese killers by calling them "Japs" with their last breaths.

/sarc

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 28, 2012 08:31 PM (niZvt)

75 Netanyahu will urge Obama to publicly back attack on Iran, sources say

Israeli prime minister to seek unified U.S.-Israel front against Iran on upcoming visit to Washington.



yeah good luck with that one Bibi.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:10 PM (i6RpT)

Obama," yeah yeah Bibi, come to the back door thou OK? and sure we back ya, Holder take him out for a pastrami or something Michelle and I are busy Oh Bibi call me later give me the info i'll need."Holder make sure you tell our friends when that call comes in.


Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 08:33 PM (TomZ9)

76 I think I'm a little tipsy.


Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at February 28, 2012 08:21 PM (Bjwfs)

I'll join you, but my drink of need right now seems to be thera flu and a chaser of Nyquil later.

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2012 08:36 PM (TomZ9)

77 555th Parachute Infantry


The Triple Nickel! Actually not sure what their unit designation (???) was, but the 555th was given to the LA Air Nat'l Guard sometime later...my dad flew with them a bunch of times in the 80s. The Coonass Militia, flying F-4s. Love those guys! And the original 555th members were very brave souls. Can't imagine the challenges of fire-jumping.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 28, 2012 08:49 PM (/izg2)

78 What do you think the general response of the Los Angeles citizenry
would be if California were attacked by a foreign power today?


If we were shelled or bombed, there isn't much we could do except take cover or flee.

If you're talking invasion by land forces, I'm betting most people would attempt some sort of armed resistance.

Posted by: Llarry at February 28, 2012 08:53 PM (Rnfm0)

79 And the original 555th members were very brave souls. Can't imagine the challenges of fire-jumping.


Heard about them on the radio Sunday AM.


Originally, they were attached to the jump school at Ft Benning and did nothing but guard duty. Their First Sgt decided to start actually drilling like paratroopers. Orders came down and they sent a company to jump school.


After graduation, no general in Europe wanted the headache of dealing with integration.


When the Japanese incendiary bombs started showing up, they got assigned to fight the forest fires.

Posted by: fluffy at February 28, 2012 09:02 PM (vRSeu)

80 Thanks fluffy, we've got some kids that are thinking about going military and I'm going to learn a lot more about those guys tonight.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 28, 2012 09:31 PM (/izg2)

81
Pearl Harbor + 10 weeks, Tokyo bombed.
Pearl Harbor + 6 months,four Jap fleet carriers sunk at Midway.
Back then, we knew how to take the fight to the enemy. Having the ability to understand who the enemy was helped a lot.

Posted by: sherlock at February 28, 2012 09:32 PM (8ra42)

82 Yes! They were the original Triple Nickel!


I think I'll buy myself a beer.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 28, 2012 09:33 PM (/izg2)

83
I didn't even think about the Dolittle raid. I assumed the
socialist sunuvabitch was talking about internment of ethnic Japanese on the
West Coast. I'll bet there were a lot of people surprised by that.

Posted by: mongo78 at February 28, 2012 08:13 PM (2b46R)

More fun was the internment of Japanese CITIZENS who refused to leave the west coast. I'll bet there were a lot of people surprised by that. Especially after Japs rounded up all the ethnic anglos (i.e.: civilians) in the territory they held and put them into POW camps.

Posted by: Nipped in the Bud at February 28, 2012 09:34 PM (7MFxV)

84 Especially after Japs rounded up all the ethnic anglos (i.e.: civilians) in the territory they held and put them into POW camps.
"Empire of the Sun" was real, dammit.

Posted by: Christian "what don't you fucking understand" Bale at February 28, 2012 09:41 PM (vjyZP)

85 This oilfield and refinery still operates today. Looks a little nicer today with a fancy hotel and golfcourse displacing much of the oil surface facilities. Oil production is still strong. The difficulty in permitting new wells almost guarantees it will continue to produce for decades. Apparently the submarine commander had toured the facility prior to the war. The story is he fell into some cactus and the American Oil Workers all had a good laugh at his expense. Later he comes back and shells the oilfield. Many of the submarine shells overshot the target and landed back in the hills and would explode periodically during wildfires. In any case Santa Barbara is still a pretty oiltown for the few of us oil workers left in California.

Posted by: calandman at February 28, 2012 09:56 PM (+7WQM)

86 Wow, I had no idea FDR was dropping hints about a "surprise" so early. (I know what it was too, of course, but don't wanna spoil. )



Despite being ordered to attack capital ships whenever possible, the
submarines ultimately engaged only in attacks against merchant vessels
and minor bombardments of targets ashore.


That disobedience made total sense, since that's what subs excel at. Even back in WWI the Germans learned this quickly.

Posted by: logprof at February 28, 2012 09:56 PM (ykSKg)

87 "Empire of the Sun" was real, dammit."

Or, less sarcastically, you could have said that the Japs let enemy civilians roam at will.

Posted by: Nipped in the Bud at February 28, 2012 10:13 PM (7MFxV)

88 calandman, spent a fair amount of time around that area with All American P/L, think you are mistaken, no refinery ever in the area. Ellwood had some crude treatment facilities, and of course in 80s
Exxon et al built the Gaviota facility to treat offshore crude prior to shipment. No refining, just clean up and store for shipping.

Posted by: jpinx at February 28, 2012 10:16 PM (BciCi)

89
Bonus points if you can name FDR's 'surprise' for the Japanese off the top of your head.
------------------- -----------------------------------

Doolittle Raid?

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at February 28, 2012 10:21 PM (sdsNf)

90 " Bonus points if you can name FDR's 'surprise' for the Japanese off the top of your head."

What is internment, Alex?

FDR provoked Japs.

Posted by: Gerbil Malodor at February 28, 2012 10:40 PM (/CSLJ)

91 How come Rev Wright never said Hiroshima was the Emperor's chickens coming home to roost?

Posted by: Dustin at February 28, 2012 11:25 PM (wcT+8)

92 "What is internment, Alex?"

Yeah, I think that's gotta be it.

Posted by: Dustin at February 28, 2012 11:26 PM (wcT+8)

93
Wood from the pier damaged in the attack is, I believe, used in the doors of the Timbers restaurant (possibly closed, hard to tell last time I drove by), located just across 101 from the coast in the area just south of Ellwood.
Thisattack indeed led to panic - well-founded, as we are talking less than 3 months after Pearl Harbor, the US is still blind and vastly outgunned in the Pacific, and we have no idea of Japanese intentions if any vis-a-vis the west coast.

One response, remnants still visible today - coast artillery emplacements added/augmented in San Diego (Pt Loma), San Pedro, and the Marin headlands north of the Golden Gate. San Diego installation has a nice little one-room museum in the old radio blockhouse of the battery, near the lighthouse at Cabrillo Nat. Monument. Not sure about San Pedro. You can hike up to the empty concrete emplacement north of the Golden Gate, with its commanding views of the approaches to the Bay. That installation never got its guns, as the tide in the Pacific had turned decisively by the time the emplacements were ready; San Diego got its guns first.

The Navy also established a network of anti-submarine dirigible (blimp) patrols along the coast. The last remnants of the auxiliary air station supporting this kind of patrol were only recently removed as part of a wetland restoration project just east of the Del Mar racetrack, right along I-5 just north of San Diego.


Posted by: non-purist at February 29, 2012 02:50 AM (ESC13)

94 <<14
obama wanted to apologize to the Japs for the A Bomb but was talked out of it.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2012 08:04 PM (i6RpT)>>
And the Japanese themselves were a big part of the "talking out of". They themselves knew how inappropriate it would be, far than O'Bumbles did.

Posted by: Have Blue at February 29, 2012 02:53 AM (IKTC8)

95
http://tinyurl.com/7k85bye
"When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Eleanor Roosevelt, Chief Air Warden of the United States of America

Posted by: Machias Privateer at February 29, 2012 05:57 AM (LuPtP)

96 48, I'm pretty certain the Japs' vessel-mounted 5-inchers can't reach you in Wisconsin. But if they have a flyer, it sure sounds like you'll be ready.

Posted by: Roscoe at February 29, 2012 01:19 PM (MIovV)

97 [blockquote]11 "attacked a Canadian lighthouse on Vancouver Island." - what's Japanese for, "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part"?
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 28, 2012 08:02 PM (QTHTd)[/blockquote]

Pulling an Obama.

Posted by: NukemHill at February 29, 2012 02:22 PM (0yERt)

98 Thisattack indeed led to panic - well-founded, as we are talking less than 3 months after Pearl Harbor, the US is still blind and vastly outgunned in the Pacific, and we have no idea of Japanese intentions if any vis-a-vis the west coast. tks.

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