Geithner: You're Right, We Have No Plan To Avert Fiscal Melt-Down; All We Know Is That We Don't Like Your Plan

I've said this forever, but the Democrats can't speak a plan aloud, because there are only two options:

1. Reduce benefits, which they don't want to do, as they're playing Mediscare yet again.

2. Massively increase the tax burdens on the middle class, which they claim they don't want to do, but they do. All of their schemes rely on pulling more money from the middle class which is, as Willie Sutton said of banks, "where the money is."

I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

Good video of the confrontation between Geithner and Ryan.

Geithner confesses that his very own chart and very own numbers show the country melting down into sub-Greece territory in out years. And his plan? He doesn't have one:

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, speaking on behalf of the Obama White House, to Rep. Paul Ryan: "You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know is, we don't like yours."

Posted by: Ace at 11:01 AM



Comments

1 When the collapse comes, his head is on the first pike.

Posted by: EC at February 17, 2012 11:02 AM (GQ8sn)

2 Sorta like the AoSHQ Official Stand on Alternative Candidates...

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter for a Rogue Planet at February 17, 2012 11:03 AM (GBXon)

3 >>I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: Rahmsy at February 17, 2012 11:03 AM (ZKzrr)

4 I hate that man. Truly hate him. He's always got that f**king smirk on his face. I would love to bitch slap it off of him.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 17, 2012 11:04 AM (l/N7H)

5 Ever look at someone and wonder what they looked like when they were young? I look at Tim Geithner and know exactly what he looked like as a kid.

Posted by: EC at February 17, 2012 11:05 AM (GQ8sn)

6 I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the
politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

They may get one though they may not like the timing.

Zero Hedge is convinced that the government will smack up against the debt limit before September, meaning that there will be another debt limit fight while Bambi is in full re-election swing.

I think it will be hard to demagogue opposition on this considering that the LAST debt ceiling fight was Obama demanding enough to get through the start of 2013 and they won't even get halfway there.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 11:06 AM (e0xKF)

7 Geithner sounds like a petulant third-grader, which is par for the course for a liberal leftist. "I gonna take my budget ball and go home!".

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 17, 2012 11:06 AM (vbh31)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:06 AM (8y9MW)

9 I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

What was your first clue?

Posted by: Cloward & Piven at February 17, 2012 11:07 AM (T2/zQ)

10 Under ordinary circumstances we should win this election going away. If we fuck this up we're gonna take it to our graves. To our fucking graves ( hat tip Coach Brooks)

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 17, 2012 11:09 AM (i6RpT)

11 Knock, Knock

Who's there?

Budget Ceiling!

I've got 'em rolling in the aisles

Posted by: Timmy the Money Comic at February 17, 2012 11:09 AM (Y+DPZ)

12 Did anyone notice that Obama is speaking at Boeing today? To "push American manufacturing" according to my Yahoo headlines. That guy has mastered cognitive dissonance like no one I've ever seen in my life.

Posted by: JJ at February 17, 2012 11:10 AM (ll7nZ)

13 I'm at the point were I think Geithner could be -

insane.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:10 AM (r2PLg)

14
Timmeh!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6p3dufx

Posted by: DPR VIII at February 17, 2012 11:10 AM (Rh+tg)

15 F*** Geithner, his boss, senate dems, and all the jackasses who voted for them. These people are utterly contemptible, disingenuous, lying scum.

Posted by: OSUsux at February 17, 2012 11:11 AM (DFXmi)

16 were=where

*ugh* need the coffee.

What the hell,Geithner is so incredibly arrogant that he's off his own charts.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:11 AM (r2PLg)

17 You think this is funny? You think I'm fucking with you?

I'm not ...

Posted by: Ryan from Downtown at February 17, 2012 11:11 AM (Y+DPZ)

18 "You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we
have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know
is, we don't like yours."


...I am speechless.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 17, 2012 11:12 AM (O6H8J)

19

This business will get out of control.
It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Admiral Painter at February 17, 2012 11:12 AM (udEUT)

20 Two CBO analysts walk into a bar ...

Posted by: Timmy the Money Comic at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (Y+DPZ)

21 They are TAXING US ALREADY.

If you drive or you know, eat.

This *is* their solution. Devalue the currency. Inflation.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (SB0V2)

22 He might as well have said "Fuck you next question" Unreal...

Posted by: Hedgehog at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (3jGS1)

23
You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know is, we don't like yours."<<<

And any Democrat seeing that clip is thinking, "OMG, did u se how he told off that stupid Rethuglikkkan?! Yeah! We don't like ur plan, noob!Fukinn PWN3D lolz!!1!!11"

Because that's how fucking stupid they are.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (6Oaaw)

24 OT:
Email asking for negative stories about Santorum draws flak from Pennsylvania Democrats
http://tinyurl.com/6n5ctls
“I am shocked to see a communication of this sort from anybody connected to the Obama campaign in Pennsylvania,” said Peter Buttenwieser, a Philadelphia financier and finance chairman of Bob Casey Jr.’s successful 2006 campaign that ousted Santorum from the Senate.
“It’s out of keeping with the normal principles and ethics of the Obama campaign as I have known it over a long period of time,” said Buttenwieser, who described himself as an ardent Obama supporter. “This is a Republican matter within a Republican primary ... and to provide the kind of information that Mr. Hyers is seeking is unseemly.”

Posted by: CJ at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (9KqcB)

25 I look at Tim Geithner and know exactly what he looked like as a kid.


Posted by: EC at February 17, 2012 11:05 AM (GQ8sn)

Eddie Haskell?

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (RSqz2)

26 Budgets? I don't have to show you no stinking budgets!

Posted by: Timmy the Bandito at February 17, 2012 11:14 AM (Y+DPZ)

27 I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.


of course the dems want a crisis. They love the chaos and the opportunity to screw everyone over. That's why dems make up crises for everything (health care was in crisis? really?).



But, they aren't hiding this. When the chief of staff of the retard in the Oval Office starts out the term by saying "Never let a crisis go to waste" followed by the use of the word "crisis" for every single illegal thing the Indonesian Imbecile wants to do ... then you can't say they're hiding anything.



Dems love crises for two reasons; they love the pain they see their fellow countrymen going through (dems get off on that, self-hating societally suicidal asswipes that they are) and they love the crisis opportunity to do things that no one would ever let them do, otherwise - illegal, un-American, nasty, evil things.


But, America is fully aware of this (as America is fully aware of how anti-American and stupid Barky is) so no one has any excuse. Either America wants to survive or it doesn't. It isn't looking very good.

Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (iOOXO)

28 on the OT - Yeah, CJ I thought that was pretty weird.

I guess they're worried (the PA Dems) that that stuff will get out too early, you know.

The part about "not in keeping with the ethics of Obamatrons" was pretty amusing.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (SB0V2)

29 Oh. Look. I've hit new, hmm, is it heights or depths, of loathing for the SCOAMT and his minions.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (VtjlW)

30 Geithner is just like the rest of da Zero's appointees, a clueless dick with ears.

Posted by: maddogg at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (OlN4e)

31 What do y'all think of Quicken?

Posted by: Turbo Timmy at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (/ZZCn)

32 I mean funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?

Posted by: Tommy Geithner at February 17, 2012 11:16 AM (vbh31)

33 Why no plan?

Because fuck you, that's why!

Posted by: Timmy the Wise Guy at February 17, 2012 11:16 AM (Y+DPZ)

34 Senator Giethner is somewhat correct in the fact that Bush is responsible for this mess. Presdent Obama should call that traitor Bush to testifly in front of the Attorney Genitaral now so that's we can fix this problem before it gets out of controle.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2012 11:16 AM (48wze)

35 It's like a game of chicken and everybody loses - oh except high-level connected Dems who already have property south of the US border to run to . . .

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 17, 2012 11:16 AM (SB0V2)

36 I look at Tim Geithner and know exactly what he looked like as a kid. Posted by: EC at February 17, 2012 11:05 AM (GQ8sn)

The Great Gazoo......Flintstones

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2012 11:17 AM (G+Wff)

37 “This is a Republican matter within a Republican primary ...
and to provide the kind of information that Mr. Hyers is seeking is
unseemly.”


Posted by: CJ at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM (9KqcB)

...and besides, they didn't provide postage.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 17, 2012 11:17 AM (RSqz2)

38 The Left has demagogued and lied about Ryan's plan endlessly, but do they have an alternative solution of their own? That question brings us to the quote of the year. I'd encourage you to watch the full video, but the money bit comes at the very end:

******

I still think it might have been a bad idea for Ryan to give them a damn target because ^ that up in the bold is what these Democrats do.

Ryan makes a mistake to think he is dealing with "rational actors".

They don't play 'fair" Ryan.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:17 AM (r2PLg)

39 Greece is the word, is the word that you've heard

Posted by: Timmy the Lounge Singer at February 17, 2012 11:18 AM (Y+DPZ)

40 Actually, they do have a plan. Its called the European Model. Greece follows it pretty closely. Others might call it choking your chicken till your dick comes off in your hand.

Posted by: maddogg at February 17, 2012 11:18 AM (OlN4e)

41 "What we do know is we don't like yours"

Wow, just wow. That is totally grade school, maybe even preschool level behavior. "I don't like your game, I'm not going to play with you and maybe I'll even go tell the teacher you are being a bully. That'll show you."

Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at February 17, 2012 11:18 AM (RZ8pf)

42 I mentioned this to Ace on election night and am a tad upset that this smart military blog and GOP leaders haven't pushed it at all.

"Mr Secretary, I don't care if you don't like my plan. WE WON!"

Posted by: JBintheOB at February 17, 2012 11:19 AM (Q1ey0)

43 So basically Geithner's response is, "I'm rubber, you're glue, bad things bounce off me and stick to you." Right?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 11:19 AM (4df7R)

44 Poor Timmah, HRM Barack I will have to give him a spanking for telling the truth

Posted by: boballab at February 17, 2012 11:19 AM (U+wo+)

45

>>I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.


This is ace throwing batting practice to get everyone swinging hard, I get it.
The only argument that I have is the use of the word Democrat. We all know what they are at this point.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 17, 2012 11:19 AM (ZJCDy)

46 They don't need a plan because the media will never ask them for one. Remember when durin the healthcare bill jam thru every media person kept asking the Repubs "well where's your plan?"

They won't call the Democrats out on shit, they know it, so why not laugh in the republicans faces as we spiral off a cliff. Hell read what the faggot Greg types. It's about WINNING! an election or stupid political battle, fuck the country.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 17, 2012 11:19 AM (dNnL/)

47 And the media will call them terrorists accuse them of threatening to drive the country off a cliff for political gain in ....

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Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (0q2P7)

48 >>Did anyone notice that Obama is speaking at Boeing today? To "push American manufacturing" according to my Yahoo headlines.

As long as they manufacture in states he likes, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (ZKzrr)

49
Shorter Geithner:

"Bumpty-bumpty-bump!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (6Oaaw)

50 "You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we
have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know
is, we don't like yours."


Is it just me, or is this like someone going to an oncologist and saying, "No, I don't have another plan to rid the patient of their lung-cancer. What I do know is, I don't like yours."?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (8y9MW)

51 And any Democrat seeing that clip is thinking, "OMG,
did u se how he told off that stupid Rethuglikkkan?! Yeah! We don't
like ur plan, noob!Fukinn PWN3D lolz!!1!!11"

Because that's how fucking stupid they are.



Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 17, 2012 11:13 AM

Yeh, Timmy is raping the taxpayers and it's hilarious!

Posted by: The Keith and Kos Show at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (Y+DPZ)

52 And now for something completely different:
http://bit.ly/y3hoQM

Posted by: Old, Dead, White Guys at February 17, 2012 11:20 AM (tQHzJ)

53 I hope TurboTax Timmy felt stupid saying that line. I mean, there's stupid, and then there's weapons-grade, petulant stupidity. Even someone who constantly wallows in the former should be able to recognize the latter.

Posted by: shillelagh at February 17, 2012 11:21 AM (hRzu2)

54

A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

Posted by: S'moron at February 17, 2012 11:21 AM (bcNec)

55 Others might call it choking your chicken till your dick comes off in your hand.

Well, I plan to put and end to that foolishness!

Posted by: Ric Sentorum at February 17, 2012 11:21 AM (vbh31)

56 I am feeling much much better today because I finally have a plan for what to do if Obama does get a second term.

I'm going blow every single cent I've saved over 40 years for my personal expenses, emergency funds, retirement, helping family. I'm going to stop paying my mortgage, electric bill, heating bill. When all my money's gone, I'll start step 2: I'm going to replace my personally funded cell phone with a free one from the government. I'm going to apply for food stamps. I'm going to apply for SSI. I'm going protest being penalized for working and saving and being frugal in order to pay more taxes for an ever expanding list of "social justice" and "economic justice" and "spreading the money around" projects being added to our unbudgeted Federal Government by signing up for every nickel of "free" stuff I can get. And I'm going to demand the government pay for my broadband and my attorney and my team of social workers to make it easy for me to do it.

I am not going Galt. I'm going to go Alinsky. If Obama is re-elected, we'll have failed to stop the path of destruction. At that point, our best hope is to help speed up the inevitable -- the sooner we reach total collapse, the sooner we can start to rebuild. The louder, more dramatic, more devastating the collapse, the more likely even the most ignorant, ill-informed, apathetic citizen will be to never buy this crap again. Or, at least, not for a couple years.

Posted by: AliceH at February 17, 2012 11:21 AM (kawhQ)

57 No, I don't have a plan to get your baby out of that burning building. I'm just gonna sit here and laugh at the firefighters.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 17, 2012 11:22 AM (ZKzrr)

58 >>>> I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

Its all in our plan.

Posted by: Karl and Vladimir at February 17, 2012 11:23 AM (r+9M6)

59 It's like a game of chicken and everybody loses - oh except high-level connected Dems who already have property south of the US border to run to . . .

It won't be far enough for them to escape. They'll be hunted down. I would enjoy watching the little ferret-faced fuck Timmay swing from a lamp post. He knows what's coming and he knows there's no politically possible solution to prevent it. He just wants the stupid party to take the fall for him and SCoaMF.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 17, 2012 11:23 AM (6BgmB)

60 Okay, okay since I'm on this kick of looking on the bright side of things (and/or the muscle relaxants just kicked in), at least Timmeh acknowledged there's a long term problem so that's good, right? Right? See! There's hope!

Now, if you'll excuse me, this Val U Rite won't drink itself.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:23 AM (VtjlW)

61 Geithner is such a lying sack of shit.

"We have more work to do."

Hahaha.. We are not solving the problem, but we don't like your solution which actually solves the problem. Perfect. How can we disseminate this to Americans in a way they would understand it?

And, BTW.. Ryan is awesome.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2012 11:25 AM (f9c2L)

62 I promised myself I would curb my usage of coarse language. You are making it hard Ace.

Posted by: maddogg at February 17, 2012 11:25 AM (OlN4e)

63 They don't need a plan because the media will never ask them for one.

*****

That's exactly correct.

And, we aren't going to win this game till we get some gawd damn Republicans with some damn-

"street sense".

Je##$

We need some Prosecutor, D.A. types that will go after these Dems like the criminals that they are.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:25 AM (r2PLg)

64 Did that Timmy fall into the well again?

Posted by: June Lockhart at February 17, 2012 11:25 AM (Y+DPZ)

65 Of course the Dems want a crisis. It's Axelrodian politics at its very worst.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at February 17, 2012 11:26 AM (64S5N)

66 In the video, Geithner places blame on the deficit trajectory on the thousands of workers who are retiring every day.
He can't quite square that with the fact that they are not creating new taxpayers to replace them if they give everyone new entitlements and tax credits.
Its like a company wondering why they are going bankrupt when they are losing old, paying clients and not charging new clients

Posted by: Pedro at February 17, 2012 11:26 AM (NHNJt)

67 Dealer: "Sir, we have all your chips, your house, your car, and your kids college money. All you have left is the deed to your mother's burial plot. What would you like to do?"


Geithner: "Let it ride.".

Posted by: basket case nation at February 17, 2012 11:28 AM (saueq)

68 I am not going Galt. I'm going to go Alinsky.




I'm going to Singapore.

Posted by: Tami at February 17, 2012 11:28 AM (X6akg)

69 "Yes, professor, I know I plagiarized my research paper by copying from Wikipedia, Yahoo! News, and the annotated textbook you assigned us and that you actually edited. But I also know that I don't like getting an F."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 11:29 AM (4df7R)

70 Just kill all the old people! Hahaha! Solved!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2012 11:29 AM (f9c2L)

71 Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 17, 2012 11:15 AM (SB0V2)

Also, as was noted in the article, you don't usually do open Op Research on the president's camapaign letterhead.

Posted by: CJ at February 17, 2012 11:29 AM (9KqcB)

72
Well, this was a hell of a year to give up chewy tobbaccy. On the other hand, the inflation level was making it unaffordable anyway and I can concentrate my cravings on food after the collapse.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 17, 2012 11:29 AM (r+9M6)

73 Somehow I'm thinking a CFR, IMF veteran, and a crony of Paulson has a plan. It just isn't in the US's best interest, so he can't say it out loud being the Treasury secretary.

Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 17, 2012 11:30 AM (mP3uM)

74 This is the same Timmy Geithner who got laughed out of Europe when he tried to lecture them about getting their act together.

They may be idiots too, but they know a joke when they see one

Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2012 11:30 AM (Y+DPZ)

75
@60,

You have a bright future as a motivational speaker. Please sign me up for your "Awaken the Moron Within" seminar.



Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 17, 2012 11:30 AM (6Oaaw)

76 They don't need a plan because the media will never ask them for one.

-----


This, one million times, this. They can even gin up crazy contraceptive stories for two weeks at a time on cue.

"Ben, once you're done polishing my knob, we need you to write a story about how Republicans kill kittens."

Posted by: sexypig at February 17, 2012 11:31 AM (wWV5q)

77 The Barry administration is full of fruits. Geithner = clueless fruit.

Posted by: Barry Is A Fruit at February 17, 2012 11:31 AM (c3mby)

78 GEITHNER: You could have taken [the chart] out [to the year] 3000 or to 4000. [Laughs]

RYAN: Yeah, right. We cut it off at the end of the century because the economy, according to the CBO, shuts down in 2027 on this path.

Posted by: Ugly Betty at February 17, 2012 11:31 AM (e8kgV)

79 So three ICE agents walk into a cantina, and the barman says..

Posted by: Timmy the Clown at February 17, 2012 11:31 AM (/ZZCn)

80 OT:
Candle light vigil for Whitney Houton.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7pahe2h

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 17, 2012 11:32 AM (Hx5uv)

81
If there is going to be a debt ceiling fight this Fall, the GOP farts will shit their pants and say "Nope, this ain't the hill, either".

The resulting thermonuclear shit storm will be epically epic.

Posted by: eman at February 17, 2012 11:33 AM (DTX4S)

82 More Geithner: “If you want to bludgeon me into admitting there is no
tax reform proposal in here ... I confess, we are not giving it you."

Posted by: Miss80s at February 17, 2012 11:34 AM (d6QMz)

83 OT

TepidAir has a link to a Gallup poll on unemployment supposedly it is somewhat accurate on the pending government numbers. It wil lshow a unemployment rate of 9% or so for February, up from January's 8.3%.

Greg was unavailable for comment.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 17, 2012 11:34 AM (kaOJx)

84 We are going to have a 'We Hate Bush" get together along with are celebration for Presdent Obama on Presdident Obama Day on Monday in the Brattleboro area. This will show everyone we support Presdent Obama for anuther term of 3 years.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 17, 2012 11:35 AM (48wze)

85 Don't worry thought, The Associated Press is out in force today informing the American Public!....about Santorums views on birth control, women in combat, working moms and abortion.

No articles at all that Obama admits he doesn't have a frigging clue or plan to fix medicare.

Posted by: robtr at February 17, 2012 11:35 AM (MtwBb)

86 >>>Greg was unavailable for comment.Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 17, 2012 11:34 AM (kaOJx) Greg's down at the bath house working on a pink slurpee....

Posted by: maddogg at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (OlN4e)

87 More Geithner: “If you want to bludgeon me into admitting there is no
tax reform proposal in here ... I confess, we are not giving it you."
Posted by: Miss80s at February 17, 2012 11:34 AM (d6QMz)

********

Gawd!!

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (r2PLg)

88 I'm amused how Timothy Geither, when he's addressing difficult questions, leans heavy on his speech impediment. He doesn't actually say "we don't have a definitive solution to that long term problem..." He says, "We don't have a definilslib to that long term problem." Dude's been out of definilslibs for three effing years.

Posted by: Jack Sunday at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (bSdea)

89 BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.

Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (iOOXO)

90 So let me get this straight. No one has a solution that can work even though everyone has an idea of a solution to try out. Yet when capitalism is untouched by "solutions" by government, it seems to grow and thrive on its own. The last example being the growth of the self governed Internet. But have no fear, there are thousands of solutions to the Internet queued up. So it can only get better in the coming years.

Posted by: Jimmah at February 17, 2012 11:37 AM (845uI)

91 Greg was unavailable for comment.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 17, 2012 11:34 AM (kaOJx)

Where is Greg? Obama seems to be sliding in the polls again. I thought Greg would be here to give us an update.

Posted by: robtr at February 17, 2012 11:37 AM (MtwBb)

92
Greg was unavailable for comment.

Us too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (r+9M6)

93
Ace, from James Pethokoukis' blog post here:
http://tinyurl.com/8y5hxp4

Check out the chart at the top. This chart is from Obama's OMB's budget report. Not some GOP generated chart.

Go here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Analytical_Perspectives/
Click on "Economic and Budget Analyses" and go to page 58.

This. Is. Obama's. Own. Chart.

Amazing.

Posted by: dan-O at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (sWycd)

94 He could have said, "We've lied, we know it's a lie and looking at your plan, we don't like the truth," without changing the meaning one bit.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (jx2j9)

95 BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.


Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (iOOXO)


You got one?

Posted by: Tami at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (X6akg)

96
MFM sock fail, damn it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (r+9M6)

97 GM yesterday announced a 7.6 billion profit for their 4th quarter, their biggest ever. Under the terms, the UAW fatasses get $7000 per slug bonuses.

Well, they didn't actually make the profits by selling cars, their pension fund had a good quarter on their investments ...

So why does the taxpayer have to kick in $10,000 for each Electric Turd sold? Why can't Obama Motors pick up the tab?



Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2012 11:39 AM (Y+DPZ)

98 So three ICE agents walk into a cantina, and the barman says..



You boys aren't from around here; are you?

Posted by: barman at February 17, 2012 11:40 AM (udEUT)

99 And put those deck chairs over there.

Posted by: Captain of the Titanic at February 17, 2012 11:40 AM (Hx5uv)

100 See...that's the thing Ryan is catching it from all sides.

He's actually too good a guy for politics.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:40 AM (r2PLg)

101 Just kill all the old people! Hahaha! Solved!


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2012 11:29 AM[/]

Let me be clear, um uh, that's um what the uh tax on medical equipment is all about.

Posted by: Barry Obama at February 17, 2012 11:41 AM (mG87Q)

102 Sorry

Posted by: Barry Obama at February 17, 2012 11:41 AM (mG87Q)

103 89
BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.


Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM

Uh-oh, the smell of cat pee ...

Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2012 11:41 AM (Y+DPZ)

104 Mary is the best sock ever.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 17, 2012 11:42 AM (0q2P7)

105 "What we do know is, we don't like yours."
I can top that: We don't like you; we don't like your boss; we don't like your associates; we don't like your spouses; we don't like your kids; we don't like your pets. STFU and GTFO. period.

Posted by: the Butcher at February 17, 2012 11:43 AM (8g9qq)

106 I love it when No Plan comes together!

Posted by: Timmy "Hannibal" Geithner at February 17, 2012 11:43 AM (Y+DPZ)

107 Was this cut off? It sounds like he was saying, "We don't, like yours," and then go into something like "carry it out past the budget window" or something.

Posted by: Matticus at February 17, 2012 11:43 AM (0Mr4u)

108 >>>BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.

OMG! Someone with a better plan. Why are you bogarting it? Let's see it. 'Cause I know you wouldn't call Ryan's plan shit unless you had a better plan right? That would make you an ass hole.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 17, 2012 11:45 AM (0q2P7)

109 Geithner doesn't need a plan, everything is going great and there's no inflation! Mom always comes home with a full bag of groceries and plenty of Cheetoh's!

Posted by: Clarence Clavin at February 17, 2012 11:46 AM (Y+DPZ)

110 I'm convinced 40% of this country would see the deficit rise to 40 trillion just so a Republican somewhere doesn't win an election. And when the crash happens they will say "but Bush______"

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 17, 2012 11:48 AM (dNnL/)

111 You have a bright future as a motivational speaker. Please sign me up for your "Awaken the Moron Within" seminar.
I have toyed with the idea of being a motivational speaker. Unfortunately, there appear to be some minor, pesky liability issues with the crop and the chair and the yelling and the screaming and the shrieks for mercy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:49 AM (VtjlW)

112 Just because Monty has no DOOM thread today doesn't mean we can't have a DOOM kitteh

http://cheezburger.com/View/1841892096

Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2012 11:49 AM (Y+DPZ)

113 Yes, you're right, the Democrats want a crisis. I would take it further: they're deliberately doing all they can to bring that crisis about. They made it happen. Does anyone honestly think the last economic crisis, triggered by the implosion of the housing market, wasn't baked into the cake of the The National Affordable Housing Act of 2007, or--going back even further--the Housing and Community Development Act of 1977? The Democrats have economists and financial analysts, too, and they were seeing what other analysts were seeing (and saying) for years. Attempts by the Bush Administration to reform Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were rebuffed at every turn by Democrats such as Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who seem to have been the designated point men for the economic crash we call The Great Recession.

We're already seeing what ObamaCare is really all about, and it has precious little to do with caring for the sick. As Charles Krauthammer pointed out, the President has just ordered a private sector business to provide a free service, and until ObamaCare the president had no authority to even attempt such a thing. Now, of course, he has substantial control of the automotive industry. Energy is next. As an aside, do any of you honestly believe President Obama and his people will give up power after a very well disciplined and well-funded Left has devoted decades striving to attain it? They'll lie, they'll cheat, and they'll almost certainly win in November no matter who we put up against him.

We're at a decision point, the likes of which we haven't seen since 1860. Authoritarian socialism and individual liberty based on free market capitalism cannot exist side by side. We'll either have one or the other. We can't have both.

Posted by: troyriser at February 17, 2012 11:49 AM (vtiE6)

114 >>>BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.

It is, true. It only slows down the problem, it doesn't solve it. But, it is progress, and it did pass the house.

Which is more than we can say for anything else so far.

Posted by: MrShad at February 17, 2012 11:50 AM (Xqfwb)

115 Where we're going we won't need an economic plan.

Posted by: Dr. William Weir at February 17, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

116 I have toyed with the idea of being a motivational speaker.
Unfortunately, there appear to be some minor, pesky liability issues
with the crop and the chair and the yelling and the screaming and the
shrieks for mercy.


I don't know, I know plenty of guys who'd pay for that treatment.

BTW, anyone else think Timmah seems like the kind of guy who'd pay for a woman step on his balls?

Posted by: Alex at February 17, 2012 11:51 AM (L/4gD)

117 Mary Cloggenstein is a sock? GTFO!

Posted by: Jaws at February 17, 2012 11:52 AM (4I3Uo)

118 BTW, Ryan's plan is shit, too.


Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 11:36 AM (iOOXO)

really, do you like gladiator movies?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 17, 2012 11:52 AM (UqKQV)

119 pesky liability issues with the crop and the chair and the yelling and the screaming and the shrieks for mercy
really ? I figured most morons would pay extra for that.

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at February 17, 2012 11:52 AM (oW269)

120 BTW, anyone else think Timmah seems like the kind of guy who'd pay for a woman step on his balls?

I don't think he could if he wanted to. He'd have to obtain some, first.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 11:53 AM (8y9MW)

121 >>>I have toyed with the idea of being a motivational speaker.
Unfortunately, there appear to be some minor, pesky liability issues
with the crop and the chair and the yelling and the screaming and the
shrieks for mercy.

They told me the "Iron Maiden" was "Over the top"....pussies.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 17, 2012 11:53 AM (0q2P7)

122 You pusssies talk a good game, But I could show you some real shit, and I don't mean the Blue Man Group.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 17, 2012 11:54 AM (OlN4e)

123 "I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable."

Then they're idiots. Because the most likely response to the "crisis" is "screw the old people, screw the poor, screw the gov't employees" Middle class people vote. If they're going to have to screw either their parents or their children, grandma and grandpa are SOL. But if they're going to have to screw their parents, you can be damn sure they're going to screw everyone else on the gravy train, first.

Posted by: Greg Q at February 17, 2012 11:56 AM (/0a60)

124 When Geithner claimed that Ryan's plan hurt Medicare, ryan should have not ignored it entirely, butshould have said: "I'll ignore you opinin for the minute as wrong as it is, and as well, not discuss the $500B reduction in Medicare your plan puts in place, or the double-counting that went into said plan, instead.... etc.

Posted by: john b at February 17, 2012 11:56 AM (qsk3y)

125 It doesn't help that Guntherhas a look about him of comical incompetence. Look at him! WTF!

Posted by: Jimmah at February 17, 2012 11:56 AM (845uI)

126
I actually think the Democrats want a crisis, because in crisis, the politically impossible becomes merely the politically unpalatable.

Truth.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 17, 2012 11:57 AM (1hM1d)

127 Timmah andHolder need to undergorecreational flaying with a potato peeler.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at February 17, 2012 11:57 AM (OBDWE)

128 The stupid just rolls of Timmeh in such strong waves it nearly knocks me out of my chair.

Why its as if he has no real economic experience at all.

Posted by: mpfs at February 17, 2012 11:57 AM (iYbLN)

129 And I can say that about Gunther, because I'm white.

Posted by: Jimmah at February 17, 2012 11:57 AM (845uI)

130 Is Timmeh just a mole in a suit?

I mean a real mole, the kind that lives underground.

Posted by: mpfs at February 17, 2012 11:58 AM (iYbLN)

131 Why its as if he has no real economic experience at all.


Posted by: mpfs at February 17, 2012 11:57 AM

Well, I don't really work here

Posted by: Timmy Kramer at February 17, 2012 12:01 PM (Y+DPZ)

132 And the Demoncrats said, "We are legion."
And he said, "Come out of him!"
And the Demoncrats came out of himand went into the pigs, and the pigs ran off a step cliff and dragged the Country down with them into the bottomless abyss.

Posted by: Cricket at February 17, 2012 12:02 PM (DrC22)

133 Then they're idiots. Because the most likely response to the "crisis" is
"screw the old people, screw the poor, screw the gov't employees"
Middle class people vote. If they're going to have to screw either their
parents or their children, grandma and grandpa are SOL. But if they're
going to have to screw their parents, you can be damn sure they're going
to screw everyone else on the gravy train, first.


I like "The Logan's Run Solution" myself.

But seriously, you're right. Elderly benefits are lush and the well-heeled public employees are not going to be indulged.

I think what they want is a crisis without the widespread perception of a crisis.

You know what we really need to do? Eliminate pensions for public employees.

What pensions do is impose on future administrations the profligate spending of current administrations. Now I have no problem with defined benefit contributions in which the state matches the public employee contribution to an insane level (say, 5:1 even 10:1) if the state can afford it.

But when bad economic times hit, then future administrations just lower that ratio. They aren't contractually on the hook for bad decisions made decades ago.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 17, 2012 12:05 PM (T0NGe)

134 THIS is the guy that was so damn important and smart, in fact nobody on the planet could replace him, that we had to overlook his failure to pay his taxes.

Yes, I don't have a good answer, but yours sucks too - Really?????

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 17, 2012 12:13 PM (UU0OF)

135 Listen this is all bullshit. They are not even trying to hide what they are doing.

The GOP/Establishment don't really want to do anything about it either.

Ryan like Issa is only in it for positioning. Nothing is going to come of these
hearings because its designed to be that way.

If they wanted to do something they could but they don't, so its all just pointless.

There are literally no hills the GOP will plant their flag on and say this far no farther.

We are witnessing the unmaking of America right before our very eyes.


Posted by: McLovin at February 17, 2012 12:16 PM (j0IcY)

136 PROBLEM: No one has the balls for real cuts. No one has the balls to raise taxes.

HOW WE GOT HERE: For the last few decades, the economy was strong enough to cut taxes AND increase spending without pushing us to the brink. We put off the hard choices. Now, there is no way to avoid them.

WHO'S TO BLAME: American voters. Who will punish any politician who cuts programs, raises taxes, does neither, or does both. Also, they don't like anyone being "partisan." Also, they don't like it whenpolticianscave in to THAT party. But compromise for god's sake.But, don't compromiseyour principles.

Posted by: CJ at February 17, 2012 12:17 PM (9KqcB)

137 Posted by: McLovin at February 17, 2012 12:16 PM (j0IcY)


Yes, the House has the power of the purse (or at least it used to before the Constitution evolved), but the establishment will not defund ANYTHING and will barely decrease the rate of increase in the spending profile.

Nothing like the smell of burnt toast in the morning!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2012 12:19 PM (i3+c5)

138 Willie Fucking Sutton never said that about the goddam banks. Stop saying he said it.

Posted by: Willie Fucking Sutton at February 17, 2012 12:21 PM (TRlpJ)

139 By 2027, our plan is to be so stinking rich from scamming the public that we would all be able to afford to build a moat around our mansions to keep the riffraff out. We are gonna fill that shit with those mean,expensive African crocodiles,not that scrawny shit you see running around in Florida.And if any of you Tea Baggers approach, you will also get a longbow in your ass from a myriad of archers posted along the watch towers. Consider it to be your first and only warning.

Posted by: befuddled at February 17, 2012 12:27 PM (xJU23)

140 The Dem plan is the same one they ave had in lace since the 30s. Tax and spend tax and spend. It dis not work then, it will not work now.

The difference this time is we do not have a cushion of of a low overall debt to fall back on.

If we do not do something we are headed over a cliff. His other plan is the same one FDR had. Debase the money so the debt is paid off in worthless dollars.

Problem there is they have already debased the dollar to the point it is virtually worthless so that will only result in Zimbabwe runaway inflation.

The country will collapse.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2012 12:29 PM (YdQQY)

141 Ever seen geithner with his hair askew, the little pins showing?
Any wonder he can't face national financial crisis head on when he can't even leave home without his wig?
What a joke. never shoulda been.

Posted by: Justamom at February 17, 2012 12:42 PM (E1gcW)

142 The country will collapse.
Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2012 12:29 PM (YdQQY)
-------------------------------------------------------
I remember when Rome collapsed.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at February 17, 2012 12:42 PM (jucos)

143 Never let a good smelly old sock go to waste.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 17, 2012 12:43 PM (jucos)

144 Why do these jackasses want their positions (i.e., President, or Treasury Secretary) if they don't want the incumbent work or responsibilities?

It's like saying," I want to work on skyscrapers, but I am afraid of heights and physical labor." Just do everyone a favor, and step aside; it's obvious to everyone outside the MFM that you're not serious.

Posted by: Beorn at February 17, 2012 12:46 PM (lbwwW)

145 From Drudge: In October, Buell made headlines after she led a protest of monied
Democrats in San Francisco against the controversial 1,700-mile Keystone
XL oil pipeline. Her fellow protesters outside an Obama fundraiser
included Michael Kieschnick, co-founder of CREDO Mobile and Working
Assets, which has donated $75 million to progressive causes; IT
executive David desJardins; and Anna Hawken McKay, wife of Rob McKay, a
wealthy philanthropist whose father founded Taco Bell.
Frankly, it's the progressive rich that keep Pelosi,Reid,Obama in power. It's not the dumbshit voters any longer. Spend, spend, spend, and you will get votes. To get in office and stay in, you need benefactors and you better be accommodating. America is fucked, that's always been the plan.

Posted by: befuddled at February 17, 2012 12:52 PM (xJU23)

146 So, this is what losing your mind feels like.

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at February 17, 2012 01:46 PM (KhioZ)

147 In the end, elected officials generally reflect the wants of the people who elect them. Feckless as Congressmen may be, they're simply doing what the American public largely wants - something for nothing. Too many people are gung-ho for cuts and austerity until it's something that hits your pocketbook, too, and then they start bitching and crying about it. Paul Ryan's roadmap turned out to be pretty unpopular with the public. Why? Because they want theirs, even now.

We as a people deserve to collapse because those are exactly the policies we've encouraged.

Posted by: radar at February 17, 2012 02:04 PM (zmlwq)

148 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at February 17, 2012 03:38 PM (7W3wI)

149
Their plan is...
"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

Posted by: Sean at February 17, 2012 03:49 PM (4YQIa)

150
Paul Ryan "gets" it. We have to fix our fiscal house now. True, we may have reached the point of no return already, but, damn I like the way Ryan is fighting for the future of our country. This guy has impressed me with every speech and interview I've seen him do. Yeah, Iknow he's not perfect,so, no doubt he will make a mistake here or there, but right now he is one of our (as a country not a party) few hopes for the survival of this nation.


If he keeps it up, maybe, eventually some of the so called journalists in the MSM will start to pay attention to howright he is about our situation and how woefulling and deliberately ( not to mention treasonously) wrong the Obama administration and the democrat party are. Unfortunately, due to their influence with the mushy moderate middle, we won't fix this problem till the MSM start to report fairly about this issue. We are probably DOOMED.

Posted by: Some guy you don't know in Wisconsin at February 17, 2012 03:51 PM (0aByc)

151
@34

"Senator Giethner"......

Mary f**king Cloggenstien. You are the typical dem voter and the reason this nation is going down the shithole faster than the MSM goes down on Obama. Thanks for sharing with us, you no talent ass clown.

Posted by: Some guy you don't know in Wisconsin at February 17, 2012 04:00 PM (0aByc)

152 Did Ace directly quote Geitner in the headline? Because Rush used those exact words to discuss this topic.

Posted by: Have Blue at February 17, 2012 04:58 PM (IKTC8)

153 Ryan should have said, 'So President Obama is waiting for a better President to come along to tackle America's problems'.

Posted by: waelse1 at February 18, 2012 03:57 AM (1M81x)






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