Good Parenting?

I don't know. I'm not sure if this guy's behaving any differently than Alec Baldwin did when he chewed out his daughter as a "little pig."

Long story short (it's a seven plus minute video), the guy's daughter posted a long complainey post on FaceBook, objecting to the chores she was to do everyday, knocking the parents for "sitting on their asses" while watching her work, asking why she doesn't get paid for her chores, and also asking why the cleaning lady can't do the chores.

The guy posts this video response to her FaceBook page. His main objection is that she was disrespectful. Secondary objections concern the whining about the chores.

It's at 6:50 the video gets to its big moment.

Is it just me or is he a dick? Seems to be joining the daughter in acting like an adolescent, acting up, making public scenes.

I'm not even sure it's a real video, or some kind of attention grabbing stunt.

Thanks to Matthew and Michael.

Posted by: Ace at 02:32 PM



Comments

1 I agree with what he did. In fact, my niece (16 yrs old) was talking shit about her mother (my sis) over the FB airwaves. Embarassing me and my family. I wish I had done the same. All I did was private message her to tell her to stop.

Posted by: learflyer at February 10, 2012 02:34 PM (9vscO)

2
Ummmm...... thats the other "under the radar" thingy we've been working on.

Posted by: Eric Holder at February 10, 2012 02:35 PM (C8hzL)

3 Take your daughter's computer, cell phone, ipods, etc away for a month and see how she likes that.

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2012 02:35 PM (GQ8sn)

4 Come on ace, that's parenting 101. And the cigarette is a nice touch.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 10, 2012 02:36 PM (lVGED)

5 100% agree with what he did. He did not call her names but called her on her BS. Not even close to a Baldwin moment.

Posted by: Jprs at February 10, 2012 02:36 PM (YQ4mh)

6 3 Take your daughter's computer, cell phone, ipods, etc away for a month and see how she likes that.


Evidently he had already done once before.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 10, 2012 02:36 PM (L8r/r)

7 If I were him, I'd lock my bedroom door at night and hide the knives

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:37 PM (eCnLg)

8 That's awesome. I would have set it on fire, though. Along with her cell phone and camera. I checked his FB page - his daughter is fine. Not traumatized or anything else. He made his point, she understood it; problem solved. Also,he's used this notoriety to raise a few bucks for muscular dystrophy, so I like him for that, too.

Posted by: LauraC at February 10, 2012 02:38 PM (NUU3Z)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 10, 2012 02:38 PM (8y9MW)

10
In case you were wondering what Keith Olbermann was up to.

Police lure a naked man who atop a downtown radio tower with McDonald's hamburgers.

Posted by: YIKES! at February 10, 2012 02:38 PM (L3I4w)

11 Good call on killing the assassinated Kim non-story.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 10, 2012 02:38 PM (+Jr2Z)

12 Evidently he had already done once before.

Take them away for good. It's pretty clear the daughter doesn't respect or show gratitude for those small luxuries.

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2012 02:39 PM (GQ8sn)

13 Nope, not a dick. Just had enough.

Posted by: Kerry at February 10, 2012 02:39 PM (a/VXa)

14 I showed this to my 21 yo conservative daughter and her somewhat liberal friend about an hour ago. They both thought the father was absolutely right in what he did.

Posted by: Tami at February 10, 2012 02:39 PM (X6akg)

15 HAMBURGER!
http://tinyurl.com/89ode53

Posted by: YIKES! at February 10, 2012 02:39 PM (L3I4w)

16 Guns are for pussies. He should have ripped it apart with his hands, feet, and teeth, then done the same to her cell phone, and finally, taken the parts and pieces, and run over them with his F-150 4x4.

Sprinkle the whole bunch of parts on a fire, then salt the ashes.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at February 10, 2012 02:39 PM (4sQwu)

17 This guy is teh awesome.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 10, 2012 02:40 PM (/izg2)

18 100% agree with what he did.
Parents run the house, not the kids. She just learned that.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at February 10, 2012 02:40 PM (PReJ3)

19 Bad form. Deleting her account or her post and making her post an apology would have been the adult thing to do. Also, restricting her internet access.

All kids bitch and moan about life being "unfair." In the pass they just didn't do it so the entire world could see. That's what I hate about the internet.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 02:41 PM (h3N6R)

20 Ace, correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have kids, do you?

He was right. He was right to post this on Facebook where it would be sure to get back to her. He was right to explain (in humiliating detail) that she was being a spoiled little brat. He was right to make his punishment what it was.

Kid's don't start respectful and nice. They have to be taught. Some of them require object lessons and harsh discipline.

I might have preferred that he just bend her over his knee and spank her (even if she's a teenager), but this was a good way to say, "You won't get away with this kind of thing, and to prove the point, I'm going to let everyone on earth know what you did."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 10, 2012 02:41 PM (8y9MW)

21
I don't see anything wrong with what he did. Is it the best approach to the problem? I dunno.

But the daughter needs to understand that Facechimp is Not a Diary.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 10, 2012 02:41 PM (G/zuv)

22 Then there's the story out of Tennessee where two men killed a young couple because they had unfriended one of the mens daughters on FB. Now a baby will grow up without ever knowing his parents. The world has gone mad.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 10, 2012 02:42 PM (l/N7H)

23 Oh, I take that back. She's done this before.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 02:42 PM (h3N6R)

24 I'm thinking FMJ would have been more effective in that application than "exploding hollow points" or whatever he said they were. Other than that, an....interesting video.

Posted by: JohnTant at February 10, 2012 02:43 PM (eytER)

25 Baldwin was enraged; this man was calm and pretty collected. Big difference.

BUT while this is old school parenting in one sense -- i.e. laying down the law -- it's also annoyingly modern -- i.e. making and posting a video of an otherwise private deal.

And, dude, fix that lawn.

Posted by: Socky the puppet at February 10, 2012 02:44 PM (ubduJ)

26 This guy should run for President.

Posted by: Harry at February 10, 2012 02:44 PM (4c2Vs)

27 And, dude, fix that lawn.
Posted by: Socky the puppet at February 10, 2012 02:44 PM (ubduJ) Kind of hard to fix his lawn when he keeps going out there and shooting it.

Posted by: JohnTant at February 10, 2012 02:45 PM (eytER)

28 This guy should run for President.

If only that were a healthcare bill he shot.

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2012 02:45 PM (GQ8sn)

29 I'm not in the habit of destroying hundreds of dollars of my property.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:45 PM (eCnLg)

30 I like how he stuck up for the woman who cleans the house.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 02:45 PM (h3N6R)

31 This guy should run for President.
This.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at February 10, 2012 02:46 PM (PReJ3)

32 I might have preferred that he just bend her over his knee and spank her

This is always a good idea.
Now, what is this post about?

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2012 02:46 PM (GVsoi)

33 He certainly shoots a lot better than Greedo.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 10, 2012 02:46 PM (lVGED)

34 I think the guy is a jerk

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:46 PM (eCnLg)

35 eh this is a problem with the networked society. Kids used to be able to bitch to their peers about how lame/mean/whatever their folks were w/o the parents eavesdropping on it. Guess this kid is getting a crash course in "nothing on the internet is really private"

Posted by: Palerider at February 10, 2012 02:46 PM (dkExz)

36
They make her do all the work around the house because I'm their upstairs tenant. They made the mistake once of trying to hire a . . . Reinemachefrau . . . to do the work, andI just went berserk.

Posted by: Rigby Reardon, Private Dick at February 10, 2012 02:47 PM (RtpCp)

37 Also, restricting her internet access.

She's just come off of a 3 month suspension of internet privileges. Apparently that didn't get her attention. She was warned this would happen if she screwed up again. He just followed through with the warned consequence.

His facebook page notes that he didnt mean for this to go viral and he and his daughter have sat down and talked about some of the comments both ways - she's had a laugh over those saying she'll become a stripper because daddy is a jerk. Reading his facebook page makes me think he did the right thing.

Posted by: someone at February 10, 2012 02:47 PM (bqjJT)

38 On the one hand, it's a stunt, and a childish one. On the other hand, there isn't a parent on the planet who hasn't dreamed of doing something like this at one point or another. Maybe the guy just has less self-control than the average parent.

Posted by: joncelli at February 10, 2012 02:48 PM (RD7QR)

39 He done good.

Posted by: DC Zombie at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (b96e6)

40 I will show you how to control your emotions and act mature by losing my shit!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (+Jr2Z)

41 Yeah probably just you. I love this guy. He's a good Dad.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (pLTLS)

42 Laptop repair? It's free in my health care bill!

Posted by: The Prezdint at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (lVGED)

43 I hope Presdent Obama sees this video and calls the Secertary of Heallth and Human Services and he does something to punish this out of control little man.........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (48wze)

44 Didn't Snopes debunk this video?

Posted by: maddogg who is himself a Tea partier at February 10, 2012 02:49 PM (OlN4e)

45 Kids used to be able to bitch to their peers about how lame/mean/whatever their folks were w/o the parents eavesdropping on it

They still are. She didn't. She posted it on her wall on Facebook and tried to specifically block her parents.

I'm sure, had she just vented at school, that dad's reaction (if he even found out about it) would have been very different.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (8y9MW)

46 I would've given the computer away or sold it. Realize some value from the whole deal, but yeah. He did ok.
Taking away all electronics is the new and more painful grounding these days.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (W+Itt)

47 OT: Rush had a brief bit on schools in LA showing kids how to peel an apple, cuz they don't want to eat the peel (been told its unhealthy or just their excuse)

Anyway all I could think was "But the kids cant peel apples in screwl, that violates the zero tolerance, weapons ban, unless they put in those crank peelers in the cafeteria or make an allowance for those slotted parer tools, but still its 2 bits of lefty dumbness colliding"

Posted by: Palerider at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (dkExz)

48 Sounds like he should have laid more groundwork when she was much younger than this. Her sense of entitlement didn't grow in a vacuum.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (ZtwUX)

49 The gun was Racist.

Does he have a computer stamp on his hunting license?

I think not, we'll be calling you.

Posted by: Affirmative action employee at US Fish and Wildlife at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (hXJOG)

50 O/T McDonalds Japan.

Their idea of Ronald. - http://tinyurl.com/7xadre5

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2012 02:52 PM (bhvWH)

51 I, too, really liked the bit about the "cleaning lady" and how he told his daughter that she will never refer to her as such ever again.

Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2012 02:52 PM (znT2j)

52 I am all for diciplining your kids but not in front of the entire world and leaving something on the interwebs that follows her the rest of her life. You can do this sort of thing if private.

Posted by: robtr at February 10, 2012 02:52 PM (MtwBb)

53 Sounds like he should have laid more groundwork when she was much younger than this. Her sense of entitlement didn't grow in a vacuum.
Posted by: kathysaysso at February 10, 2012 02:50 PM (ZtwUX)

Great point. I have 2 daughters- older now 22/25 and I could never imagine that scene playing out in our house

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:52 PM (eCnLg)

54 His facebook page explains a lot. He's been contacted by media and he has chosen to answer questions there. The kid really does want a lot handed to her. She has had things taken away for similar behavior and it has not stopper her before.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 02:52 PM (h3N6R)

55
He says he's in IT.

Yet he dresses like he works at the rodeo.

Texas, Fuckyeah!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 10, 2012 02:53 PM (G/zuv)

56 Sell the damn laptop

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 10, 2012 02:53 PM (e8kgV)

57 If your child screws up, post that vid on their Facebook page.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (lVGED)

58 They were talking about this on the radio this morning. One of the hosts said a better idea would have been to donate the laptop to some disadvantaged kid.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (C2//T)

59 Our younger brat wasn't being sufficiently attentive to her mother's instructions. Apparently some awful TV show was more important than doing what she was told.

Circuit breakers are marvelous things. She got the message, and astoundingly, she hasn't pulled that crap again (one week). She also knows that I can disable the wireless network from my hardwired desktop, and there is nothing she can do about it.

ace, it's called parenting. As was pointed out above, the little brats are not born with manners and interest in the welfare of others. It has to be taught.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (nEUpB)

60 The only thing he did wrong was shooting the laptop. He should have made his daughter destroy it, preferably by shooting holes in it but I'm not sure how safe she would be with a loaded handgun. But he could have given her a large hammer and made her do it. That might teach her a lesson, although I somehow doubt it.

Posted by: Patrick T. McGuire at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (YxD8I)

61 What does she look like? I predict she'll be riding the pole for a living when she's 18. It doesn't matter how good or bad a parent you are sometimes. Some things are just destined.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (uVXqP)

62 If your child screws up, post that vid on their Facebook page.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (lVGED)


I like my kids and if they screw up, I would hope I would be there to help them, not embarrass them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (eCnLg)

63 If your child screws up, post that vid on their Facebook page.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 10, 2012 02:54 PM (lVGED)


I like my kids and if they screw up, I would hope I would be there to help them, not embarrass them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (eCnLg)

64 Calling your daughter a "little pig" in a rant isn't in the same stratosphere as KO-ing her lap top after she talked smack on you on Facebook. That was justified punishment. I probably wouldn't have used one of my guns though, I would have ran it over with my 2012 F-150 Platinum Edition 8 or 10 times. Would have looked better in a yard sale condition all over my driveway when she came home from school.

But F Alec Baldwin. You don't call your little girl a pig. That's just F'd up.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (VTeUD)

65 Lots of men make jokes about being seen cleaning a gun or a knife when someone arrives to take a daughter out on a date.
This man will never have to do that.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (W+Itt)

66 All pre strippers never thought they would strip.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 10, 2012 02:56 PM (uVXqP)

67 Lots of men make jokes about being seen cleaning a gun or a knife when someone arrives to take a daughter out on a date.
This man will never have to do that.
Posted by: Who Knows at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (W+Itt)

yeah because his daughter will probably run away or elope

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:56 PM (eCnLg)

68 45: Yeah, I was not clear, kids today tend to communicate so much via "social media" instead of actually person to person that many probably tend to go straight to texting if not FB posts when they are moaning about their lives (and I'm pretty sure a majority of teens think their life is unfair in some way, its a pretty natural teenage state of mind)

Their future kids will probably think it was so neanderthally backwards of them to expect any privacy with internet communications of any kind.

Posted by: Palerider at February 10, 2012 02:56 PM (dkExz)

69 That might teach her a lesson, although I somehow doubt it.Posted by: Patrick T. McGuire

A lesson to learn what? Be a spaz if someone shows you disrespect? Great role model.

A co-worker fucks up? Burn his desk. Car cuts you off? Shoot his tires.

If the kid is as immature as he says she is, it's pretty obvious where she learned it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 10, 2012 02:58 PM (+Jr2Z)

70 This will somehow come back to bite this guy in the ass. .....Personally, I could totally understand how pissed off he was, having raised a daughter. .....But parental disciplinary action is best done in private.
.
Using a gun on the laptop could get him labeled as "unstable", with "poor impulse control". ......Liberals love to use those phrases. .....He should have just gotten rid on it off camera and let it's disappearance be a mystery.

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 02:58 PM (UOOK1)

71 There is a parenting philosophy called "Love and Logic" where you hope for your kids to screw up so that they can learn important life lessons through the natural consequences that result. When I say screw up, I am talking minor things that do no real harm. The key is you must let the kid experiance the consequence.

Forget to bring your lunch to school and call me asking to bring it? Sorry, can't do that,sounds like you are going to be hungry this afternoon.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 02:59 PM (C2//T)

72 A hundred orsted magnet would wipe the computer clean without wasting valuable bullets.

Posted by: Dee Dee Ramone at February 10, 2012 03:00 PM (UdPlZ)

73 Texas, Fuckyeah!


Posted by: soothsayer at February 10, 2012 02:53 PM (G/zuv)


NC, Fuckyeah you mean.

Posted by: Tami at February 10, 2012 03:02 PM (X6akg)

74 Maybe, the guy should write a book? Sort of like the American answer to the french parenting book lol!

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 03:02 PM (h3N6R)

75 @nevergiveup - the daughter willfully embarrassed her parents, claiming that they were enslaving her, etc. So the punishment was proportionate to the "crime."

Posted by: LauraC at February 10, 2012 03:03 PM (NUU3Z)

76 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:56 PM (eCnLg)

I wouldn't have done it this way (I would have donated it to Wounded Warriors), but obviously this guy has been having trouble with this child. I'm not going to criticize him, because in a vacuum, some of the things that I and my wife have done might seem over-the-top, but in context made perfect sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 03:03 PM (nEUpB)

77 How exactly was hea spaz? I thought he was rational but drastic in response to a pattern of behavior.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at February 10, 2012 03:03 PM (PReJ3)

78 He's had close to (or may over by now) a 1000 friend requests. LOL!

Posted by: Tami at February 10, 2012 03:03 PM (X6akg)

79 Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 02:59 PM (C2//T)

This is a huge bone of contention between my wife and me.

I think that the kids should suffer the consequences of their decisions; that they must understand cause and effect in their own lives.

She wants to fix everything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 03:05 PM (nEUpB)

80 Nothing wrong with what he did. Parents do not have to take crap from their kids beyond a certain buffer offered strictly out of love. Betray that buffer, and catch hell. If they don't learn that at home, they will learn it the hard way in the real world.


Parents who are not willing to go the extra mile raise spoiled children than never grow up and end up voting Democrat.

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2012 03:06 PM (ZOUmX)

81
Again, if you read his FB page, he's pretty logical and reasonable and explains why he did what he did. His kid seems to be handling it well, too.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 03:06 PM (h3N6R)

82 Is it just me or is he a dick?

Yeah he's a dick. Yeah she deserved every second of that video.

When I was growing up, and that was not that long ago; My stepdad made it clear. school was for me, I was doing something for myself, not the household. I had chores, that was my 'meager' contribution to the household since I lived there rent free, with all my clothes, and meals, provided to me. He pounded that into my head over and over.

Some might see that as being a dick. What he was teaching me was to never feel *entitled* to things that were given to me that I had not earned. Someones generosity through compassion should not be confused as some sort of right. And instead of complaining about having to do some chores, and not having everything I wanted, I should be thankful for what I have and that life wasn't harder. In fairness I didn't get it until I was about 15, and that little turning point was when I started to become a decent human being. Obviously the daughter here has an entitlement problem as many kids do these days. I blame the father to some extent for letting it go this far unchecked. But he has found the proper solution to the entitlement mentality.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 10, 2012 03:06 PM (0q2P7)

83 >>ace, it's called parenting. As was pointed out above, the little brats
are not born with manners and interest in the welfare of others. It has
to be taught.<<

Oh bullshit. This attention whoring douchery is in the same league as proposing marriage on the jumbotron at a monster truck rally. Manners aren't taught by uploading moronic stunts to youtube. Feels more like a reality show audition video than any kind of lesson in parenting.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:07 PM (+lsX1)

84 He works in IT? He could have stripped the hard disk, loaded on a Linux OS (with a GUI, to be nice), and set up a user account for her with absolutely zero privileges. Internet access for school work, but fiercely filtered like at the most oppressive workplace. And a key logger. I think that would be harsh enough punishment.

Posted by: red sweater at February 10, 2012 03:08 PM (Xwgt3)

85 Dude should have used that "my little pony" AR-15 with the chainsaw instead of the 1911. THEN it would have been perfect!

Posted by: BallofHate at February 10, 2012 03:09 PM (5DAFk)

86 I like my kids and if they screw up, I would hope I would be there to help them, not embarrass them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2012 02:55 PM (eCnLg)


Thats called being a helicopter parent. Always swooping in to rescue them when they do stupid shit. They never learn to not do stupid shit this way because mommy and daddy will fix it for me. So what happens when that day comes that mommy and daddy are no longer around? Let them fix the mess themselves a few times and see if they eventually avoid the mess in the first place.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 03:09 PM (C2//T)

87 >>>I blame the father to some extent for letting it go this far unchecked.

But he did try different punishments before. He grounded her, took stuff away, etc.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 03:09 PM (h3N6R)

88 83.....Feels more like a reality show audition video than any kind of lesson in parenting.
.
Thank you. ....I had the same thought.

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 03:10 PM (UOOK1)

89
When my youngest daughter got married, she told me that my threat to take all her electronics was the one that got her attention immediately.
I like the cut of this dude's jib

Posted by: BIG ROB at February 10, 2012 03:10 PM (MuXag)

90 From his Facebook response to questions sent in by the media:



Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?




A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube
because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended
audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who
saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away
with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over
a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I
was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public
(such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of
God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in
exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went
out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally.
I had no idea it would become what it did.



There's more questions and answers here: http://tinyurl.com/7r3j3yg

Posted by: Tami at February 10, 2012 03:11 PM (X6akg)

91 It was catharsis for him, not an attempt at discipline.
Still, I don't think his daughter will pull the same stuff again. Being a kid, it will be something different next time.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 10, 2012 03:11 PM (W+Itt)

92 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:07 PM (+lsX1)

Read on, and you will discover that I wouldn't have done it that way, but I also realize that there may have been circumstances that required this kind of reaction.

I also made a general point about children not emerging from the womb with morals and ethics and concern for others.

But please, rant away...it was pretty funny.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 03:12 PM (nEUpB)

93 I wonder where the daughter learned to put on a big dramatic show when she's pissed off.

Posted by: Jimmah at February 10, 2012 03:12 PM (845uI)

94
I only watched from 6:30 on, but he doesn't seem like a someone that is quite out of whack to me. Who know how many years he has put up with crap, I'm guessing she finally broke the camels back and he said enough is enough rather than this being a one-time offense for her.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2012 03:13 PM (o8Ahx)

95 >> So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over

a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I

was raised<<

Yep. This playing out just as Idiocracy foretold.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:14 PM (+lsX1)

96 Feels more like a reality show audition video than any kind of lesson in parenting.

It's called escalation, it's a parenting tool for when you deal with defiance. She wanted to make posts on facebook and bring outsiders into her family situation, he upped the ante and her embarrassment. "You wanna tell your facebook friends? Fine lets tell the whole world" sort of response.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 10, 2012 03:15 PM (0q2P7)

97 88 83.....Feels more like a reality show audition video than any kind of lesson in parenting.
.
Thank you. ....I had the same thought.

***

Same here.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 10, 2012 03:15 PM (uV8qz)

98 I watched 6 shots at nearly point-blank range and the dude missed twice.

Posted by: Entropy at February 10, 2012 03:15 PM (hXX37)

99 79 Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 02:59 PM (C2//T)This is a huge bone of contention between my wife and me. I think that the kids should suffer the consequences of their decisions; that they must understand cause and effect in their own lives.She wants to fix everything.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 03:05 PM (nEUpB)


Same here but with my ex wife. My kid is a challenge to start with but at my house with wife version 2.0, rarely is there an issue. At the ex's house where she does what he says, where she blames the school for his inappropriate behavior. He is 12 and when he is with mom and I am talking with him on the phone, I have heard him cuss her out. To which I responde if you ever want to see your iTouch again, I had better hear you apologize to her right now.

The other night he was going to bed and he says to me, I love you Dad, your a great Dad but sometimes, the punishments can bejust atadexcessive. What I said to myself was that's because you are comparing them to yourMom's.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 10, 2012 03:16 PM (C2//T)

100 He is so fucked if anything other than a laptop tries to rob his house.

Posted by: Entropy at February 10, 2012 03:16 PM (hXX37)

101 Two points... it sounds like he had made a 'threat' to shoot her laptop if she ever did it again.... so he is following through.... which IS Parenthood 101...

Never make a threat you are unwilling or unable to carry out.

Second point... if you've never raised a Teenage Daughter? You really have no idea what it is like... school teaches them to be 'empowered' and society tells them to get a life... and their peers egg them on... Kudos to Dad for putting that up in public for the OTHER kids (and Parents) to see.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2012 03:16 PM (lZBBB)

102 This great father and IT guy surely pulled the Harddisk, and snapped out the RAM. I bet he pulled the battery out too so that it wouldn't catch fire and hurt his lawn.
With lessons like this; in three years she could be the next Tri-Corner Hat Gal!

Posted by: MoJoTee at February 10, 2012 03:19 PM (e1kfW)

103 Stupid.

This guy's actions - calmly performed or not - make gun owners look like unstable mental patients. It's decidedly unhelpful in the neverending fight against gungrabbing.

Confiscate the frigging computer from the girl face-to-face and without taking video and posting on the web. You know, like how an adult would handle it.

Posted by: Jaws (SMOD '12) at February 10, 2012 03:19 PM (4I3Uo)

104 >>>Confiscate the frigging computer from the girl face-to-face and without
taking video and posting on the web. You know, like how an adult would
handle it.

Yeah he already tried that. Didn't work. I guess he was looking for a little more shock value to get through.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 10, 2012 03:22 PM (0q2P7)

105 @nevergiveup - the daughter willfully embarrassed her parents, claiming that they were enslaving her, etc. So the punishment was proportionate to the "crime."
Posted by: LauraC at February 10, 2012 03:03 PM (NUU3Z)

Nah not in my opinion. That you tube will be around forever. Future employers will see it, college acceptance boards will see it. Like I said I am all for dicipline but it should be done in private.

His lame excuse that he did it becasue that's how he was raised is bullshit. If he got spanked in a grocery store it didn't live forever on the interwebs.

If I was employer and saw that crap I would say there are some issues there that I don't want to be a part of.

Posted by: robtr at February 10, 2012 03:23 PM (MtwBb)

106 facebook is EVIL, it is ruining society

Posted by: Pete at February 10, 2012 03:23 PM (j/wD+)

107 My sister kept threatening her son she would burn his clothes in the
front yard if he didn't clean up his room. Her husband got tired of her
empty threats and finally took action with his own hands. Tossed every
piece of clothing, shoes and belts into a pile in the front yard,
soaked it in lighter fluid and then tossed the match. Her son had to
replace his own clothes.

And you know what? They are still a very
close family and no one is having to undergo therapy for the clothes
burning.

Posted by: Jprs at February 10, 2012 03:23 PM (YQ4mh)

108 Jaws, I agree. I thought the guy looked like a lunatic.

Adults don't settle scores with their children by posting videos of them destroying property on facebook.

Posted by: Passably Affable at February 10, 2012 03:24 PM (sGRXI)

109 "Seems to be joining the daughter in acting like an adolescent, acting up, making public scenes."

Ace: This was pretty much my exact comment when two of my FB friends shared it.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 10, 2012 03:25 PM (zL1lf)

110 Posted by: Jaws (SMOD '12) at February 10, 2012 03:19 PM (4I3Uo)

Oh yes... because everything we do as a Free People MUST be viewed through the lense of Politics...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2012 03:26 PM (lZBBB)

111 Second point... if you've never raised a Teenage Daughter? You really have no idea what it is like... school teaches them to be 'empowered' and society tells them to get a life... and their peers egg them on... Kudos to Dad for putting that up in public for the OTHER kids (and Parents) to see.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2012 03:16 PM (lZBBB)

I've raised two daughters and never had to shoot their stuff and post it on you tube. They both had their wild rebellious moments be we took care of it in private and they both turned out great with good educations, jobs and families.

Posted by: robtr at February 10, 2012 03:26 PM (MtwBb)

112 Anyone think she'll have to buy her next computer on her own?

Posted by: Who Knows at February 10, 2012 03:26 PM (W+Itt)

113 96 Feels more like a reality show audition video than any kind of lesson in parenting.
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It's called escalation, it's a parenting tool for when you deal with defiance. She wanted to make posts on facebook and bring outsiders into her family situation, he upped the ante and her embarrassment.
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The escalation will continue then. ....He didn't end it. He "upped the ante", as you've said. .....What will he do when she now declares to the world and says: "You see what I have to put up with? My dad is a nut case! I fear for my life now!"
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With teenage girls, you want to diffuse the escalation....not do anything to make it go to the next level of drama.

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 03:27 PM (UOOK1)

114 I wouldn't have done it this way (I would have donated it to Wounded Warriors)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative)

Actually, yeah, that's brilliant.

Posted by: LauraC at February 10, 2012 03:28 PM (NUU3Z)

115 >>Two points... it sounds like he had made a 'threat' to shoot her laptop
if she ever did it again.... so he is following through.... which IS
Parenthood 101.<<

Maybe it's Parenthood 101 at the DeVry Institute for Crackheads and Dipshits. Instilling discipline does not require making an idiotic public spectacle of yourself. If he is trying to raise his daughter to be an overly dramatic attention seeker, he's probably doing a pretty good job. I'll be sure to ask her in a couple years when she's dancing down at Club Acropolis.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:28 PM (+lsX1)

116 Extrapolated far enough, this is the same style of parenting that leads to honor killings. Note how much he decries the way his daughter has embarrassed her entire family. Moreover, he's teaching her that a real man shows how passionate he is through the "tough love" of violence and destructive drama. Don't be surprised, dad, when your daughter marries someone who beats the hell out of her and your grandkids. Or worse.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 10, 2012 03:28 PM (zL1lf)

117 "Is he a dick?"-- got any kids Ace?-- i'm guessing no by your reaction butif you did you'd know this guy is not a dick, just fed up with the entitlements his daughter thinks she's supposed to get through others hard work and then doesn't have the plain decency to show him and her mother any respect-- she's 15 so it's probably already too late to "fix" her-- it's like all those parents that go on that silly Dr. Phil show who whine: "My child is out of control and i don't know what to do!"-- it never should have gotten to this point-- he shoots the lap-top with his .45 to prove that her childhood is dead and buried and now it's time to start working for her living--

Posted by: tomc at February 10, 2012 03:29 PM (V6yXR)

118 >>>What will he do when she now declares to the world and says: "You see what I have to put up with? My dad is a nut case! I fear for my life now!"

She's saying nothing of the sort. People here are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 03:29 PM (h3N6R)

119 Guy seems a bit crazy. No need to make this public. He could even have made a video of destroying the laptop and shown her privately.

So ... drama queen father has a drama queen daughter. Not a surprise.

The times I acted like a dick in public my father corrected my behavior in private.

Stunts like this just reinforce the message that the best way to make your point is to do something dramatic in public.

The nature of the stunt actually undercuts the message.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at February 10, 2012 03:30 PM (BXqkH)

120 He had just finished working on that laptop.

He probably just wanted to shoot it a few times after that!

Anyway I love the guy. I was with him 100 percent except for the word "and your stepmom" - so now we know where the daughter's attitude cometh from, hmm? Probably spoiled to "make up for it"

btw . . . hat tip pour moi? non?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 10, 2012 03:33 PM (SB0V2)

121 As others have mentioned, a much better solution would have been to donate the laptop to a poor family or a charity.

But people who crave attention and drama don't do those sorts of understated things.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at February 10, 2012 03:33 PM (BXqkH)

122 Maybe it's Parenthood 101 at the DeVry Institute for Crackheads and Dipshits. Instilling discipline does not require making an idiotic public spectacle of yourself. If he is trying to raise his daughter to be an overly dramatic attention seeker, he's probably doing a pretty good job. I'll be sure to ask her in a couple years when she's dancing down at Club Acropolis.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:28 PM (+lsX1)

Wow... Pot? Kettle! Talk about over dramatization? Essentialy calling a poster a Crackhead and dipshit because they disagree with you? Then she'll end up a Stripper because of this???

LOL....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2012 03:34 PM (lZBBB)

123
Damn well handled. I especially liked the response to the question about why he did it that way.

The other thing is the body language he exhibited. In case you didn't see, there was one seriously pissed individual. I show a lot of discretion around people who display like that.

Having raised 2 daughters, I'll bet she turns out just fine.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 10, 2012 03:35 PM (SAMxH)

124 That guy is me.

Posted by: kdny at February 10, 2012 03:36 PM (vrYVY)

125 Extrapolated far enough, this is the same style of parenting that leads to honor killings.

Yeah and extrapolated the other way far enough and you get Gen Y, the "gimmie gimmie right now" generation.

He tried lessor punishments, which is what you all seem to forget in your preaching. It didn't work. A violent destruction of her beloved laptop really gets through the teenage cloud of "eh I'll get it back eventually" to "It's really......gone". I wish a little more of this happened to Gen X and Y and maybe our country wouldn't be so F*ked up today.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now Researching How to Awaken Azathoth at February 10, 2012 03:37 PM (0q2P7)

126 In spirit anyway.

Posted by: kdny at February 10, 2012 03:37 PM (vrYVY)

127 He shot her laptop. He did not shoot her. Lighten up.

Posted by: huerfano at February 10, 2012 03:41 PM (lXi+d)

128 Yep...I have to agree with him. His daughter clearly wasn't getting the respect thing and he had to break out the 2x4 to let her know who was the head of the household. I had a kid like that. Just refused to learn the easy and wouldn't take my punishments serious until I'd smack him up side the head, unfortunately.

Guess some kids are just like that.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose~AoSHQ Graveyard Shift at February 10, 2012 03:43 PM (digkk)

129 >>I wish a little more of this happened to Gen X and Y and maybe our country wouldn't be so F*ked up today.<<

Good point. The country will be saved when parents become brave enough to post their Xtreme Parenting Stuntz simultaneously on youtube, twitter and facebook. The goal is to be noticed by millions of strangers so they can agree with you. Only then will we fix the problems that kids these days are causing.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 03:43 PM (+lsX1)

130
118>>> What will he do when she now declares to the world and says: "You see what I have to put up with? My dad is a nut case! I fear for my life now!"


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She's saying nothing of the sort. People here are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.
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For this guy's sake....I truly hope you're right.
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The video was posted 2 days ago, and with nearly 2 million hits, seems to be going viral. ....It's the teenage daughter who will get ideas put in her head by her little friends,as to 'what to do next'. ....So this thing could go on and on and on.
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He could've put an end to it by just telling her "Your laptop is gone. Go get a job and buy another one." .....If he needed to blow off some steam, why not just take the damn thing out in the countryside somewhere and use it for target practice....in private.

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 03:44 PM (UOOK1)

131 127 He shot her laptop. He did not shoot her. Lighten up.
Posted by: huerfano at February 10, 2012 03:41

Come to think of it, he shot HIS OWN laptop, as I doubt an unemployed teenager was able to buy it herself.

Posted by: LauraC at February 10, 2012 03:45 PM (NUU3Z)

132 So... since this seems pretty well divided....

How about the Mother who made her son sit on a street corner with a sign on saying "I lie, I steal'?

Or, is public shame a valid form of Punishement? When other forms of punishment have already been tried???

Because, the Military thinks so.... Public Trials are Open to the Public... and in olden times the Stocks were a viable option...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 10, 2012 03:46 PM (lZBBB)

133 MikeTheMoose: We're seeing only his side of the story, so regarding her behavior, it's all hearsay. Regardless, with only his version to go on I see someone who *in his own words* talks about all the shame and embarrassment she has brought on her family. And thus he destroys her laptop with a firearm?

By your standards, a parent is entitled to treat a 15-year-old in a manner that would be criminal behavior otherwise just because she's his daughter and a minor. The man engaging in honor killing takes that a ways farther and says not only can he shoot his daughter's computer when she embarrasses him, but he can shoot her as well. And his society condones it because they fear how the generation will turn out otherwise--just as you fear a generation of "gimmie gimmie."

Do I think he should be jailed or the daughter removed from his custody? No, but I don't think such "parenting" should be applauded either. If you want to teach your kid a lesson, you do it by being the grown-up, not by behaving childishly in return.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 10, 2012 03:56 PM (zL1lf)

134 I think the daughter was mostly upset about having to get her father's coffee than anything else.

My guess is he has a tendency to express his problems in a public, dramatic, symbolic way. It looks like that's the behavior the daughter is emulating.

The father probably ought to reconsider making his teenager get him coffee, like a servant. She likely feels humiliated. So, she responds by trying to humiliate the father. And the father responds by humiliating her further.

That pattern doesn't seem to be working out too well. Teenage girls with daddy/humiliation issues? Within a year, she'll be doing BDSM porn, guaranteed.

Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 03:56 PM (KNtHw)

135 Unfortunately, Dad just made his daughter the rock star of her school. She'll revel in defiant pride and faux-popularity when agreeing with her friends in class that her dad is mental. So, yeah, putting her in a position to take sides with her friends against her own father is worse than her petulant rant.

There's only one solution for him, if he wants to salvage his household and his pride. His daughter must be put up for adoption as soon as possible. Or donated to Salvation Army. He looks young enough to have another and try again.

Oh, and this: if the kid has to do *all that work,* he's getting gypped by the "cleaning lady." Time to perform a little household Six Sigma. You're welcome for the free consult, sir.

P.S. Real men don't shoot "exploding bullets" unless they're shooting at Ramzi al-Kaboom in Helmand.



Posted by: Henry Kane at February 10, 2012 03:56 PM (2+bRt)

136 3 Take your daughter's computer, cell phone, ipods, etc away for a month and see how she likes that.
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This.

Repeat as necessary.

Posted by: Y-not at February 10, 2012 03:57 PM (5H6zj)

137 My guess is he has a tendency to express his problems in a public, dramatic, symbolic way. It looks like that's the behavior the daughter is emulating.

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Yep.

I guess they're vying for a reality show.

And I agree with the folks who say he just gave her star power at school.

Posted by: Y-not at February 10, 2012 04:00 PM (5H6zj)

138 Everybody is criticizing this guy, and suggesting that his daughter's next step is down the street to the local strip club.

But...do we know what kind of a body she has?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 10, 2012 04:03 PM (nEUpB)

139 Part of it was shaming her on FB where she was trashing him and his wife.

Totally justified. I might have just donated it to charity out from under her, but boy did shooting it make the video viral.

So, can't complain.

Posted by: GergS(not erg) at February 10, 2012 04:05 PM (2okAn)

140 >>> "And I agree with the folks who say he just gave her star power at school."

He just put the word out about which girl is looking for a little daddy-payback. He just identified the girl who is comfortable with a domineering male, but also yearning to be be free! The girl who craves a little kindness and respect, but deep down she believes she doesn't deserve it ...

In other words, she'll be sucking off the football team by August, if she hasn't already.

Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 04:05 PM (KNtHw)

141 But...do we know what kind of a body she has?
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Are you volunteering to do some 'research?' ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at February 10, 2012 04:05 PM (5H6zj)

142 >>>Unfortunately, Dad just made his daughter the rock star of her school. She'll revel in defiant pride and faux-popularity when agreeing with her friends in class that her dad is mental.

Hardly. It gives her an out when she is faced wit peer pressure, i.e., "I can't! You know how crazy my dad is!"

>>>Oh, and this: if the kid has to do *all that work,* he's getting gypped by the "cleaning lady." Time to perform a little household Six Sigma. You're welcome for the free consult, sir.

The woman is a friend and cleaning the house in exchange for services they did for her. It's the barter system. All the kid has to do is sweep the kitchen floor, wipe the counters, empty the dishwasher, and make her bed.

Posted by: mike at February 10, 2012 04:06 PM (h3N6R)

143 I think the "straw" for the dad was the contempt the daughter had for the woman who was cleaning their home to work off a debt.....showing a clear distinction between the ethics of this woman versus the daughter he was raising....dad needed to adjust that girls perception in a big way.

Meh, not my method but I don't think he is a horrible father for it.

Posted by: kawfytawk at February 10, 2012 04:08 PM (tInTW)

144 I'm a big fan of the "destroy X-Box/computer" style of parental discipline. You're teaching a message that disappearing it simply won't buy.


It'd be better to not destroy valuable things, yes, but building a child's character is worth more than a few hundred dollar widget. I'd also hope to be a good enough parent that I don't have to play the "I am crazy; do not mess with me" card. But having the will and ability to do so? Priceless.

All the suggestions that a good parent unilaterally disarms themselves of these options sounds crazier, IMAO.


I am not a parent (yet?), but I recognize that this would have been insanely effective on myself as a brat. (Was the most spoiled child of my family; wish someone had beat more sense into me early on)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 10, 2012 04:09 PM (sGtp+)

145 I think the dad had been just itching to shoot that goddamn HP product for months, probably just bought that 1911, and was just dyin' inside to see if really did kick more with the asploding bullets. In fact, I bet he wrote and posted that dross on her FB page just to make her sound like a whiny little girl. Poor young lady. I bet he blames his farts on the dog.

The lengths some will go to to try out a new shootin' iron.

Posted by: Henry Kane at February 10, 2012 04:15 PM (2+bRt)

146 Yeah, if I ever made a post like that, I'm not sure what my parents would do.

Probably kick me out of the house because I'm only living here while I look for a stable job where I earn enough to afford rent on an apartment. And they'd be right to do so.
Really, my Dad actually just fixed my computer which involved completely nuking both the C and D drives and reinstalling the OS, because it was THAT messed up. And he still managed to salvage most of my files. If I started bitching at him after all that... yeah, I'd be sleeping in my car for a while.

Posted by: Revvy at February 10, 2012 04:22 PM (DbBVm)

147 To everyone that says this dad was wrong, or you raised daughters and you never had to do that...piss off.

I raised one child and he is an eagle scout and currently in bio medical engineering. My daughter was within hours of being sent to a troubled youth camp in Montana just so we could save her from herself. Same parenting. Some kids take rebellion to a whole new level. She would get so wound up hat nothing would get through to her. I had to throw a pitcher of cold water in her face in order to shock her during an argument she was having with her mother.

She was becoming violent and defiant and dangerously reckless.

It took an event like this break her self absorbed cycle. Without that shock she couldn't see she wasn't doing anything but hurting herself.

Posted by: Brainpimp at February 10, 2012 04:23 PM (mwlsF)

148 Did he mention something about a stepmom? If that dumbass is divorced, this video should go over great in the inevitable hearing to amend the child custody agreement. Maybe we'll get to see it live on the next episode of Xtreme Parenting Stuntz!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 04:23 PM (+lsX1)

149 >> I had to throw a pitcher of cold water in her face in order to shock her during an argument she was having with her mother.<<

That's a good start, but without posting the video to youtube it doesn't really have the same panache.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 04:27 PM (+lsX1)

150 146 Yeah, if I ever made a post like that, I'm not sure what my parents would do.

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Apparently, they raised you so that you wouldn't do something so disrespectful.

I had a tough childhood in many respects, but I cannot recall a single instance of whining to my closest friends - let alone casual "Facebook" friends - about my parents. I simply would not go there.

Of course, I didn't have every farkin' gadget growing up or a car or the privacy this gal apparently has.

Posted by: Y-not at February 10, 2012 04:30 PM (5H6zj)

151 All happy families are alike.
Each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
-- Tolstoy

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 10, 2012 04:32 PM (j/FEl)

152 >>> "To everyone that says this dad was wrong, or you raised daughters and you never had to do that...piss off."

Wrong? Eh. It's not really about right and wrong. It's just that he's not going to get what he says he wants.

My guess is she's learned to mediate her familial relationships through symbolic acts of humiliation. And where would she have learned that, I wonder?

Those chores aren't so bad, but he's turned them into a humiliation ritual. And remember the coffee. She mentioned it at least twice. It appears the father reminds his daughter on a daily basis who is the servant and who is the served.

With one symbolic, public act of reciprocity, respect and appreciation, I bet he could get his daughter's loyalty and cooperation.

But he wants to do it the hard way. Maker her crawl on the carpet.

She'll be crawling on carpets soon enough, the way she's headed. Oh, well, the world needs porn stars, too.

Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 04:33 PM (KNtHw)

153 OMG he had to get her coffee!?!?! The humilation. Woe is her. Defintiely she's headed into a life of drugs and porn since she had to fetch a coffee. Wait till she gets a job in retail if she thinks fetching a coffee is servitude.

Posted by: Heralder at February 10, 2012 04:36 PM (/Mxso)

154 My 17 YO showed this to me before he went to school this am. He thought she got what she deserved... and also that it was funny.I work IT also and the 17 YO does not go around to sites he should not or make public statements he should not (anymore!). OTOH, he called me two blocks from school and told me he forgot to put on his shoes before driving to school. And in six months he can vote... Sheeesh! Mcgyver, out

Posted by: Mcgyver at February 10, 2012 04:36 PM (QFE8r)

155 The schadenfreude hoping that his daughter will horribly screw up to show how "bad" his parenting is is somewhat disturbing.


It's a belief straight out of liberal la-la-land where if only parents would hug their child and sing Kumbaya, children will automatically turn out alright.

It's a liberal worldview which believes people are automatically good unless/until society/parents screw them up. That's a pretty naive view, considering all of our known human history.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 10, 2012 04:39 PM (sGtp+)

156 Phinn--spot on. She was wrong to air dirty laundry, but the father's a colossal asshole who created an environment for this kind of response. You can just kind of tell....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 10, 2012 04:39 PM (j/FEl)

157 Alright, my post was a total mess. I'll avoid typing whilst speaking to someone about something unrelated at the same time in the future.

My point was that fetching coffee is really not that humiliating, and the insinuations that having to do so will result in going into porn seem strange.

Posted by: Heralder at February 10, 2012 04:39 PM (/Mxso)

158 153 Wait till she gets a job in retail if she thinks fetching a coffee is servitude.

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Yeah, I can't imagine that a job in retail would go over well with her, coming from someone who's currently working in said industry.

I'll admit, if the father is demanding she pour him his coffee as a matter of course, that might be a little much. But if he just says to her 'Hey hun, could you make a cup of coffee for me?'... well yeah, my parents do that too.

Though my Dad is hesitant about it, since I'm not nearly as picky about my coffee as he is and have a tendency to make it either too strong or too weak.

Posted by: Revvy at February 10, 2012 04:40 PM (DbBVm)

159 >>> "OMG he had to get her coffee!?!?! The humilation. Woe is her. Defintiely
she's headed into a life of drugs and porn since she had to fetch a
coffee. Wait till she gets a job in retail if she thinks fetching a
coffee is servitude."

Uh, it's not about the coffee. The coffee's just a symbol, for both the subordinator and the subordinated.

And a job is reciprocal. They pay you. There's a basic mutuality in the relationship. Jobs are great in that regard. (Which is probably why she wants to avoid one so much -- that type of relationship is outside her comfort zone.)

And at home, saying, "We all pitch in to keep our house nice" is cooperation. Saying "You get me coffee because you exist for my convenience" is a whole 'nother deal.

Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 04:43 PM (KNtHw)

160 Interview with the Dad and I like him even more after reading. And it sounds as if his daughter has a good head on her shoulders with her response on his facebook account. Sorry for the length.

Q: Why did you decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?



A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube
because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended
audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who
saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away
with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a
public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I
was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public
(such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of
God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in
exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went
out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally.
I had no idea it would become what it did.



Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?



A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t
remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to
remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual
long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought
“Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her
behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it
was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a
long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I
feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her
friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done
what she did. The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a
dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all
imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child.
Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the
things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s
always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things
(iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money
to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how
to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She
wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a
car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting.
(I have to hear about that one every week!) She thinks all these things
are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not
going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work
for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she
wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save
enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can
guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when
she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more
because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way
things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just
expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry
about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text
her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has
to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone. Until then, she can do
chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her,
clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical
instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to
support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make
money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house.
She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of
these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get
things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit
idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook
for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.



Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?



A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my
computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about
it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio
about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc. Later after
she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts
on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that
uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after
an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in
and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her
about the video response and about it going viral and about the
consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and
asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After
the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a
gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get
pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally
damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper
was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude…
it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked
me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what
other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for
because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing. We agreed we learned
two collective lessons from this so far: First: As her father, I’ll
definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can
depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that. Second: We have
always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a
single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a
good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s
seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can
happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of
his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick
with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it
out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the
internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.

Posted by: Jprs at February 10, 2012 04:43 PM (DGnMA)

161 As a parent that just let her daughter off grounding for a much less egregious display/act, I had absolutely NO PROBLEM with his act. I thought he showed remarkable control given it was clear he was SPITTING MAD.

Posted by: tracy coyle at February 10, 2012 04:44 PM (hu2Nq)

162 Disclaimer: The following is not directed at anyone specific; it's merely my observation, filtered through my life experiences - and I did *not* stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Based on my reading of the comments here, it seems that Teh Horde is divided into two camps: approval not (mathematical genius, I know).
From the 'approve' camp it seems to methat the scenario strikes a chord, perhaps based on events in their lives, hence their approval.
From the 'not' camp, it seems to me that they disapprove on atheoretical basis or, having perhaps been on the receiving end of this corrective methodology, are reliving an unpleasant experience.
Based on what I've read here - and at other sites - this seems to be a long-simmering issue and the daughter went a bridge too far for dad - and mom. Hopefully this'll work out.

Posted by: Alte Schule at February 10, 2012 04:48 PM (MLJu8)

163 And a job is reciprocal. They pay you. There's a basic mutuality in the relationship. Jobs are great in that regard. (Which is probably why she wants to avoid one so much -- that type of relationship is outside her comfort zone.)
Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 04:43 PM (KNtHw)

Is living in a house, being fed, clothed, taken to the doctor's office, dentist's office, being provided with laptops and all other luxuries in life in return for doing some chores and getting some coffee not reciprocal?
If the father's attitude is abusive, perhaps that's a problem, but is it?

Posted by: Heralder at February 10, 2012 04:49 PM (/Mxso)

164 As a parent, I will not air my children's faults, grievances, or failures for public consumption. We do not run in the samecircles, IdiotBook or no IdiotBook. If my kids were to do something like the daughter did, I would deal with it quietly...although I seek to create a culture of mutual respect in my family.
When we deal with malfeasance, we do so in private. Ifhe wants to be an idiots'"hero" for"drawing the line," he does so at the expense of keeping his family intact. I've seenthisSpringeresque attitude of shouting aboveeveryone else about wrongs and perceived wrongs, and itdestroys families.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 10, 2012 04:53 PM (j/FEl)

165 163
. . .

Is living in a house, being fed, clothed, taken to the doctor's
office, dentist's office, being provided with laptops and all other
luxuries in life in return for doing some chores and getting some coffee
not reciprocal?


Hell no. It's rather one sided, in the child's favor. Culture of my parents has a saying for rowdy kids: "I'd have been better off birthing a piece of BBQ pork than you" (cause at least you can eat it)


One thing I like about the video is that he focuses first on the disrespect to the "cleaning lady". He's isn't focusing on the offenses to himself, but on the offenses to other people. That's part of the message he's teaching: Don't you dare whine about your life while looking down on people who are working harder than you.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 10, 2012 04:56 PM (sGtp+)

166 I don't think my dad would have ever threatened to shoot a laptop.
I'm dead certain that if he had threatened, he would have followed through.
Since I understand cause and effect, he never would have had to.
If he returned tonight, he'd be proud. Not necessarily delighted. But proud.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at February 10, 2012 04:58 PM (a5ljo)

167 >>"I'd have been better off birthing a piece of BBQ pork than you" (cause at least you can eat it)

”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...” -- J. Swift, 1729

Posted by: Henry Kane at February 10, 2012 05:00 PM (2+bRt)

168 >>> "Is living in a house, being fed, clothed, taken to the doctor's office,
dentist's office, being provided with laptops and all other luxuries in
life in return for doing some chores and getting some coffee not
reciprocal?"

Not really. Children don't ask to be born, and they don't exist for their parent's convenience. All of the food, clothing and shelter is provided by parental love, or least by basic obligation, because a child is unable to provide these things for herself. Children do not owe their parents for such things.

With teenagers, it's a little different. If parents want help, cooperation and mutuality, it's a good idea to instill in them a sense of community and reciprocity. Parents provide for needs out of the goodness of their hearts, but luxuries are things you get for yourself.

The point of all this is not about the stuff. Stuff comes and goes. The point is what the child learns about adult relationships. Every parenting act communicates something to the child, and thus carries a meta-message. "Get my coffee because I said so" communicates subordination. It just does.

Paying your children is a terrible idea. Paying them with iPods and laptops for fetching coffee sets up a HUGE problem. It creates a cycle of supplication and benevolence. It teaches the child to get things through pleading and pleasing, not earning.

Keeping children away from paid work outside the home is an awful result of Progressivism. It's one of the reasons American kids are so infantalized, and stay that way for so long, I think. Kids can earn money by doing age-appropriate work as early as 12. Girls often do this with babysitting, but there's no real counterpart for boys. But in most states, you can't do any job legally before age 14. It's one of the reasons we have massive teen unemployment, and we've ceased to be a nation of entrepreneurs. It's horrible.

Posted by: Phinn at February 10, 2012 05:05 PM (KNtHw)

169 As a father with three kids, I'm siding with the father.
She slammed them in public, he replied in kind.

Posted by: gdonovan at February 10, 2012 05:05 PM (02CDp)

170
The non-flyover country wimps are getting the vapors over this,aren't they?

80% chance this is a prank story.


Posted by: Meremortal at February 10, 2012 05:13 PM (Usk3+)

171 Not really. Children don't ask to be born, and they don't exist for
their parent's convenience. All of the food, clothing and shelter is
provided by parental love, or least by basic obligation, because a child
is unable to provide these things for herself. Children do not owe
their parents for such things.


So the parents have a basic obligation to children, but the children owe no basic obligation to parents? Nonsense. Whatever happened to the reciprocity you say you want?

Having life is better than not having it. I've read too many life stories to believe for a second that bringing a child into this world is somehow doing them a disfavor. (At a minimum, think of the boobies and Valu-rite they'll miss out on!)


The point of all this is not about the stuff. Stuff comes and goes.
The point is what the child learns about adult relationships. Every
parenting act communicates something to the child, and thus carries a
meta-message. "Get my coffee because I said so" communicates
subordination. It just does.


Until the child is independent of his parents, he is a subordinate. That's what it means to be a child.

That's why the nanny-state is such an insult - because it implies we are permanent wards of the state, ever incapable of making our own choices.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 10, 2012 05:18 PM (sGtp+)

172 >>From the 'not' camp, it seems to me that they disapprove on atheoretical
basis or, having perhaps been on the receiving end of this corrective
methodology, are reliving an unpleasant experience.<<

Or it could be that some people, who actually are parents, believe that part of raising a disciplined child is setting an appropriate example. Railing about respect and knowing the value of a dollar is a message that was basically the exact opposite of what he ends up doing on camera.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 05:21 PM (+lsX1)

173 It's you, Ace. Though, using that caliber of gun might have been excessive.

Posted by: Mitt Still Sux at February 10, 2012 05:25 PM (NVzCT)

174 Gristle Encased Head at February 10, 2012 05:21 PM (+lsX1)

172
Or it could be that some people, who actually are parents, believe that
part of raising a disciplined child is setting an appropriate example.
Railing about respect and knowing the value of a dollar is a message
that was basically the exact opposite of what he ends up doing on
camera.

Yet about half of the people out there get the exact message he was sending ...

Seems his daughter did, too; so maybe he's not as incompetent as some of you non-approving folk think he is, seeing how she's the primary audience.


Bear in mind that some of the approving folk are actually parents too.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 10, 2012 05:27 PM (v3pYe)

175 Nice grouping. Course he was only three feet away.

Posted by: Some guy you don't know in Wisconsin at February 10, 2012 05:31 PM (0aByc)

176 Until the child is independent of his parents, he is a subordinate. That's what it means to be a child.
Liberals tell me "oh wait till your daughter turns 13, you will see."
I give them my widest evil grin and state the following-
"I'm the damn parent in this releationship and I OWN my daughters ass till she turns 18."
So far things have been working out pretty well. She knows I'll follow through with what I say and I'm pretty reasonable about it... but don't cross me.

Posted by: gdonovan at February 10, 2012 05:39 PM (02CDp)

177 I wish that was all the chores I had to do as a kid growing up. We had a family business and it was expected that you help out, no pay either. My parents were generous to all of us so to me it wasn't work, it was helping out the family.

Posted by: mpfs, Live Free Or Die at February 10, 2012 05:44 PM (iYbLN)

178 We're old school at the RightWingHouse. I recall reading a few books by John Rosemond (one of the few child-rearing "experts" around I agree with). One thing I learned was "If you want a behavior to stop, make doing it a "memorable" experience. His daughter WILL remember the consequences of bitching off her parents in public for a Loooooong time.

I also appreciated that (at least from my first viewing of the video) he seemed to be fairly calm. If you get more upset when you lay down the consequences than your kids do, yer doing it wrong.

Posted by: RightWingProf at February 10, 2012 05:47 PM (SO4pn)

179 178

Couldn't agree more. I broke curfew one too many times and my mother was waiting on the front porch. She started yelling at me and I called her a bitch. She slapped my face so hard my pierced earring flew out of my ears and into the bushes while the neighbors watched.

Point taken Mom. Never did it again.

Posted by: mpfs, Live Free Or Die at February 10, 2012 05:49 PM (iYbLN)

180

I know this thread is probably dead now. ....But this video is getting picked up by local and national news now. ....Which is making it go even more viral. [Local news here just did a segment on it.]
.
I didn't realize earlier, that part of what this dad was mad about, was that his daughter had done this again.....she had posted pissy stuff on fb before, and then gotten the warning about "will shoot your laptop".....and in spite of that she had done it again.
.
If your child is having a publichissy fit......do you have a publichissy fit back at them, in order to teach them to not have publichissy fits?
.
I was raised with that thing about "don't air your dirty laundry in public", which is what guided me as a parent as well. .....So I agree with the comments above about how this is 'not going to turn out well' for the family in the long run.
.
Also agree that this Dad just made his daughter a star at school. ....If he had handled this in private, that wouldn't have happened. .....Now, in spite of not having her own laptop to use.....the other kids will be eager to post whatever she wants to post, for her.....because now she is "cool" and "being oppressed by an angry crazy father".

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 06:06 PM (UOOK1)

181 For those of you who think this was a publicity stunt, here is his answer to that on his Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

Overall he sounds like a perfectly normal Dad who got fed up with his daughter's crap. Go read his posts before you judge him.

Attention Media Outlets:
While we appreciate the interest you're all
putting forth to get in touch with us regarding the video, we're not
going to go on your talk show, not going to call in to your radio show,
and not going to be in your TV mini-series.

Some of you think I
made an acceptable parenting decision and others think I didn't.
However, I can't think of any way myself or my daughter can respond
to a media outlet that won't be twisted out of context. The Dallas news
TV news already showed that in their brief 5 minute interview with the
psychologist.

Additionally, there's absolutely NO way I'm going
to send my child the message that it's OK to gain from something like
this. It would send her a message that it's OK to profit at the expense
of someone else's embarrassment or misfortune and that's now how I was
raised, nor how she has been raised.

So I say thank you from
all of us. If we have anything to say, we'll say it here on Facebook,
and we'll say it publicly, but we won't say it to a microphone or a
camera. There are too many other REAL issues out there that could use
this attention you're giving us. My daughter isn't hurt, emotionally
scarred, or otherwise damaged, but that kind of publicity has never
seemed to be to have a positive effect on any child or family.


If you're a news outlet that wants to ask us a question, feel free to so
via email. I'm sure by now my email address is easy enough to find. It
might take me awhile to get to a response because I'd have to sort
through the "Die you bastard" emails to find it, but we will respond if
its something that we feel merits it. Otherwise, sorry... no interviews,
no talk shows, no call-ins.

If we respond to anything, it will
be on here, and it will be in a way that our words can't be
misconstrued or edited for appeal to specific audience or shock value.

Now, I'm going to try to get to work for the day.
Best of luck to all of you out there... and PLEASE give my phone a break.

Posted by: Jprs at February 10, 2012 06:11 PM (DGnMA)

182 As a very spoiled WASP princess I have to say this girl deserved it. I would have never, ever written those things about my parents. Even when I was stomping up the stairs and slamming my bedroom door in total teenage rage I still knew two things: 1) my parents loved me, and 2) everything I had was due to their generosity and care.

I had very little daily chores like this girl, yet my father was able to provide not only a house and food, but a car (actually two), gas, gas credit card and a credit card to a department store. I had everything I ever wanted, as he was the best provider on earth other than my husband. Had I ever acted like this little brat and advertised our family tiffs in public, he might not have shot anything, but he would have taken away things he'd bought for me out of his love.

I have two grown sons. One was a piece of cake in teens, another stubborn but (most of the time) respectful to us. If he screwed up he got stuff taken away, as we had owned his car,etc. He still did not get all he wanted, as the computer was in the family room, as was the cordless phone and TV. He did not get his own laptop until college. Down the street, his pals had all in their rooms and would stay in their rooms and not be with their families. Their parents never said no to them, and I was known as "the strictest Mom on the block" which I told stubborn son, "good." Guess which children were the most successful and finished college? You got it: ours.

Facebook is used, in their generation, to hide behind asking girls out, breaking up with girls, airing little spats with parents (which seems to be more of a teenage girl issue), embellishing little spats with parents or friends, and in general, a type of voyeurism into other lives. Perhaps it is the redneck in me, but I think this father did the right thing. The shooting was maybe a little over the top, but otherwise I say the little brat deserved him destroying a computer he bought her. I have no doubt it hurt him terribly to read those things about him after he'd just tried to help her.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at February 10, 2012 06:13 PM (baL2B)

183
It is not the severity of punishment that children respond to. It is the certainty of punishment.

You're all arguing over style but missing the larger point: he outlined the consequences and followed through. It would have been worse for him to back down.

I wouldn't have taped it, but that's his call. Disrespect is the cardinal sin in a Southern household. The penalties are harsh and justice is swift. I assume he knows his child better than us and what she needed to drive his lesson home.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 10, 2012 06:17 PM (mblRd)

184
183.....I wouldn't have taped it, but that's his call.
.
Agree. .....He could've tapped it, and kept it private, just shown it to his daughter. .....It's the public airing of it that I don't think was wise, especially since that is apparently what he got so pissed off at his daughter for doing.

Posted by: wheatie at February 10, 2012 06:31 PM (UOOK1)

185 All of you who don't have kids, stop posting. All of you who do have kids and think this guy is totally in the wrong,
A- please go pick up your kid from whatever city they are currently occupying or
B- please stop giving your kid "participation" trophies and telling everyone that YOUR little angle NEVER acts like that.

Posted by: BallofHate at February 10, 2012 06:38 PM (5DAFk)

186 183 -

Respect goes both ways. Parents who don't understand that will end up with teenagers and adult children who are screwed up.

If you're doing it the right way, punishment is rare because it's rarely needed. And most likely she's right. When he's old and too feeble to wipe his own backside, he'll be sorry. He'll blame her, but hopefully through therapy or whatever it takes, she'll be happier not to have such an insane prick for a dad.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2012 06:40 PM (Gc/Qi)

187 186 -

Once he's dead and buried, I mean.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2012 06:41 PM (Gc/Qi)

188 Response from the daughter - she sounds perfectly normal and well adjusted. She will probably grow up to be a responsible conservative...oh the horror!

I told her
about the video response and about it going viral and about the

consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and

asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After

the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a

gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get

pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally

damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper

was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude…
it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked

me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what

other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for

because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.

Posted by: Jprs at February 10, 2012 06:46 PM (DGnMA)

189 he's no dick...he's what y'all call aCowboy....he did what all good cowboys do when they've had enough...he cowboy'd up...

Posted by: steve at February 10, 2012 07:01 PM (Z71Vg)

190 .45 cal is completely the wrong tool for such a job. For electronic equipment he shoulda used a 12 GA; the guy spent 8 bucks in .45 ACP and just pocked holes in it. 12GA #4 would have made for much better youtube.

Posted by: MoeMoe at February 10, 2012 07:51 PM (cey9b)

191 @185 - Amen!!!!!

Posted by: Rondinellamamma at February 10, 2012 08:09 PM (53riN)

192 185 Really? This is a public message and it is puerile and petty. The guy in the video grow up sir!

Although I think it is staged anyway.

Posted by: bobbymike at February 10, 2012 08:12 PM (cZieJ)

193 One. It's fake. You can tell in about 20 seconds the guy is acting, and I don't know how you can not see that.

Two, searing an image in her mind of her dad blaisely smoking --- setting an important pattering example of something which is far more likely to harm her and kill her than Facebook --- is not good parenting.

Three, using a weopan to destroy her laptop carries te not so subtle hint of lethal force which could be directed at her.

If this wasn't fake --- which it is --- I'd hope she gets a restraining order against him pronto and gets out of there.

Posted by: Random at February 10, 2012 08:43 PM (YiE0S)

194 It's not staged, he has already turned down several media offers for interviews, shows and the what not. Read his response to media questions and you'll find out he is a pretty normal guy. Reading her response to some of the idiotic statements on her dad's Facebook page lead me to believe she is a healthy, normal 15 yr old who will survive this just fine.

How come when some parent makes her kid stand on a street with a sign that says he is sorry for lying or cheating everyone cheers?

Posted by: Shane at February 10, 2012 08:44 PM (DGnMA)

195 "she had posted pissy stuff on fb before"

You mean she actually complained and told people what she thought and how she felt?

Shocking.

Then had a .45 used to discourage her from speaking up?

There's some great parenting for you.

Posted by: Random at February 10, 2012 08:50 PM (YiE0S)

196 I'm sure she'll feel real comfortable talking to her daddy when she has a serious real-life problem now and needs se guidance.

No. Wait. I'm pretty sure she'll turn to her friends.

Posted by: Random at February 10, 2012 08:51 PM (YiE0S)

197 Wow. Lots of pantywaist pussy commenter's on this one.

I would have chewed a bar of Dial soap, been grounded for a year and lost any privileges I might have had , had I spoken to my parents like she did.

Its because of modern parenting that we have little snot nosed , whiny , bitchy teenagers like her.

Love em when they do good, make it hurt when they do bad. Welcome to life.

Good on him.

Posted by: exsanguine at February 10, 2012 09:11 PM (FaS2h)

198 "All of you who don't have kids, stop posting. All of you who do have kids and think this guy is totally in the wrong,
A- please go pick up your kid from whatever city they are currently occupying or
B- please stop giving your kid "participation" trophies and telling everyone that YOUR little angle NEVER acts like that."

Pardon me, but you're full of it. False choice if I ever saw one (shoot a kid's computer, or she'll turn into an idiot liberal). He didn't start raising her at 15, you know. If his parenting is so great, why the problem now?

".he did what all good cowboys do when they've had enough...he cowboy'd up..."

Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.

Minor point: If it's *his* computer, then all that work he's bitchin' about was on his own computer. Clearly both he and she view it as *her* computer. So he destroyed her property.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 10, 2012 09:37 PM (zL1lf)

199 Hero status for that guy.

Posted by: sTevo at February 10, 2012 09:40 PM (VMcEw)

200 9 for 9 nailing the laptop to the sod with 45 ACP, while steady-holding the V-cam? Ain't seen that since Sergeant Major Plumley's point blank shooting in We Were Soldiers.

Love that 7th round for Mom...


Posted by: Gumby at February 10, 2012 09:43 PM (4AYIA)

201 The judgy posts just crack me up - ya'll just be thankful you didn't/don't have a willful child!

When my son was little, I called my mother and apologized for being such a brat, since I finally got what I put her through.

When he was older, he went through a firebug phase. I told him next time I found out about it, I was going to burn his goosebumps books. You guessed it. He didn't believe me.

He's an adult now, and he told me he agreed with the dad on this, and he wasn't emotionally scarred by his punishment.


Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at February 10, 2012 10:42 PM (jKunv)

202 Don't even brook the possibility that this was some kind of a stunt. This man was angry, yes, but he was hurt to his very core by a daughter he obviously loves. Don't just listen to this once. Replay it over and over again. It is not just himself - he is hurt to the quick by what his daughter did to the family, even, apparently to his ex-wife as he references "your mother". The kind of attitude his daughter displayed is rampant throughout society, and he is not just some religious gunclinger either. He knows what goes on out there. Ref. telling herhow did you think you could get away with this since a. I caught you once and b. I work in IT. So he addresses her little facebook "friends" and, yes, he may have some extra motivation here, he may have thought about it, but *it is not a stunt*. This is a political site. Some of you who call yourselves conservatives and comment here about *daddy going too far* don't have a clue about what it's going to take to get America back. It's not going to be a fireside chat.

Posted by: bobmontgomery at February 10, 2012 11:58 PM (4h/wW)

203 Pay her for chores? Hell yes.

But...

Food gonna cost ya girl. Ya want heat? Pay me. Light? ditto. A/C? child, please. Hope you like walking - taxis cost money. Cell phone? hope you can afford one. Clothes? You freakin wish...

Now that we have established the ground rules, you are free to leave. DLTSDHYWTGLSY.

Get back to me when you want to re-negotiate.

Posted by: Bill Johnson at February 11, 2012 12:21 AM (9X1+H)

204 This was great!

(Caveat: She was 15 or 16. Had she been 7 or 8, this might not have been quite so great.)

He tried the whole Proportionate Response thing the last time she did some (obviously) major-to-him badness. In addition, it sounds like he gave her fair warning at that time that her next offense might be treated far more harshly.

Later, she decides that he's not in charge, and that she's smarter than he is, and that she's gonna ridicule him - her father - publicly.

Oops.

Good for him. He didn't hit her, he didn't scream at her, he didn't hurt her in any way.

He showed her that acts have consequences. He demonstrated that she had greatly disappointed her. He (humorously, I thought) responded to her in the same medium in which she had chosen to defy him. And he destroyed a plastic-and-metal thing which it seems he had paid for in the first place.

You can't fix everybody. Some rotten kids eventually turn into rotten adults. I'm not saying that we know enough to call her a rotten kid (and in fact I would guess that, overall, she's not), but given her nearness to graduating to adulthood - where no one is all that concerned with teaching you correct behavior, but where you can get slammed for real for acting as she acted - I think he did her a tremendous lifetime favor. She will be a better adult than she would have been had he not done this. Her life will be better - for HER - because he had the guts and the judgment to give her this lesson. Without this lesson, her Facebook letter gives every indication that she would have become a fairly unhappy, unliked, self-entitled screech of an adult.

I think this was good parenting. Kudos to him.

Posted by: bobby b at February 11, 2012 01:53 AM (z8jTM)

205 He responded to a teenager's publicly disrespect of the family and symbolic act of dramatic anger by doing the very same thing.

Not effective.

In his interview, he said his parents did that sort of thing to him. He'd be better off if he'd work on exhibiting leadership. Parents constantly set an example for their kids, whether they plan to or not. Might as well make it a good one.

Posted by: Phinn at February 11, 2012 08:39 AM (D0QzD)

206 My daughter called me from college last night after having seen this and said it made her feel guilty for not properly acknowledging all the things that her dad and I work so hard to give her, and for our enduring support, and offered her heartfelt gratitude.It was an especially nice conversation
So, thanks, laptop killin' dad.

Posted by: Gem at February 11, 2012 11:35 AM (zw+pb)

207 test

Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 14, 2012 12:42 PM (mP3uM)






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