Frustrated Liberal: The Left's Hypocrisy on War Is "Repulsive"

Gleen Grenwald serves a useful purpose for the Obama Left.

He can rant at Obama, and then those on the left can nod their heads and say "I agree," and then go back to supporting Obama to the hilt, contented that they've demonstrated their consistency by nodding their heads for one second.

It's a purgative. By agreeing, your sins are forgiven, and you may then get back to sinning, in the form of worshipping Obama and his/Bush's war policy.

During the Bush years, Guantanamo was the core symbol of right-wing radicalism and what was back then referred to as the “assault on American values and the shredding of our Constitution”: so much so then when Barack Obama ran for President, he featured these issues not as a secondary but as a central plank in his campaign. But now that there is a Democrat in office presiding over Guantanamo and these other polices — rather than a big, bad, scary Republican — all of that has changed, as a new Washington Post/ABC News poll today demonstrates:

The sharpest edges of President Obama’s counterterrorism policy, including the use of drone aircraft to kill suspected terrorists abroad and keeping open the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have broad public support, including from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to close the brig at Guantanamo Bay and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values, has little to fear politically for failing to live up to all of those promises.

The survey shows that 70 percent of respondents approve of Obama’s decision to keep open the prison at Guantanamo Bay. . . . The poll shows that 53 percent of self-identified liberal Democrats — and 67 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats — support keeping Guantanamo Bay open, even though it emerged as a symbol of the post-Sept. 11 national security policies of George W. Bush, which many liberals bitterly opposed.

Repulsive liberal hypocrisy extends far beyond the issue of Guantanamo. A core plank in the Democratic critique of the Bush/Cheney civil liberties assault was the notion that the President could do whatever he wants, in secret and with no checks, to anyone he accuses without trial of being a Terrorist – even including eavesdropping on their communications or detaining them without due process.

But President Obama has not only done the same thing, but has gone much farther than mere eavesdropping or detention: he has asserted the power even to kill citizens without due process....

Beyond that, Obama has used drones to kill Muslim children and innocent adults by the hundreds.... But that is all perfectly fine with most American liberals now that their Party’s Leader is doing it....

You get the idea.

There should be a word for "agreeing without actually agreeing." The comments at Salon are "in agreement," in this sort of agreement I mean. If your "agreement" does not include any actual action, you don't really agree with the proposition at all.

I guess there is a word for it already -- hypocrisy, the tribute that vice plays to virtue.

Either they really found these things "repulsive" -- literally, inducing a vomit reflex -- under Bush, or they did not, and were just lying in order to secure political power.

But it cannot be the case that they were literally repulsed by Bush's policies -- driven to hair-tearing anger -- and yet can look past it in Obama, albeit with a meaningless "Tut tut" of weak disapproval.

They were lying then or they're lying now -- and probably both.

Thanks to @slublog.

Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM



Comments

1 The Unitary Executive.

It's Here.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 08, 2012 05:51 PM (h6mPj)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 08, 2012 05:51 PM (8y9MW)

3
They're so mad at Obama that they might take their Obama-iconic sticker off their cars!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 08, 2012 05:53 PM (sqkOB)

4 There should be a word for "agreeing without actually agreeing."
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I think that there is a Japanese term for this, translated as "belly talking." That is based upon a description of such in John Toland's The Rising Sun in which he described a room full of Japanese military big shots in the final days talking tough about fighting to the bitter end when all present knew that what they were actually agreeing to was surrender.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 08, 2012 05:53 PM (Hx5uv)

5 Google "Bush" "Unitary Executive" and you'll find a gob-smacking array of critiques about the need for the Executive Branch to have limits, curbs, checks, et cetera.

Now ? Not so much.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 08, 2012 05:53 PM (h6mPj)

6 Members of the Obamlic Church care not, for yay, Obama is awesome. They don't care if he's a Bushian warmonger for he is still awesome. He has delivered unto the Obamlic faithful smug everlasting.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at February 08, 2012 05:54 PM (QxSug)

7 Yes, but the reasoning, whispered only to themselves in the dark of night, is that the power is what really counts.

Liberals--> Progressives--> Authoritarians--> Totalitarians--> Mass Murderers.

It is the accumulation of power for nefarious ends that is the hallmark of these people, and they will contort themselves into whatever shape is necessary to justify it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 08, 2012 05:55 PM (nEUpB)

8 **He can rant at Obama, and then those on the left can nod their heads and say "I agree," and then go back to supporting Obama to the hilt, contented that they've demonstrated their consistency by nodding their heads for one second.**

so, yes, Obamlics can hate Obama and still, in the end, blindly vote for the fucker as he brings us into Great Depression 2.0.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at February 08, 2012 05:55 PM (QxSug)

9 Sorry, but this is not just a Democrat trait.

Bush was given a pass on TARP by Repubs. Bush was given a pass on the Open ended War on Terror act... Bush was given a pass on creating a whole new Federal Beurocracy called the DHS.

If you 'trust' the guy in charge, then things you would rant about if someone else was in charge, are not that bad... both sides do it...

My big problem with the current GOP leadership, is they WON'T call the other guy out on ANYTHING.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2012 05:56 PM (lZBBB)

10 According to the Budget Act, the White House was supposed to have the President’s budget request sent to Congress as of yesterday (the 1st Tuesday in February).

The real reason why the Democratic caucuses don't want to pass a budget under the Budget Act is because it would then be subject to reconciliation under a simple majority. You know, how they passed ObamaCare.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 08, 2012 05:57 PM (e8kgV)

11 And, going back into the Way Back Time when Unbridled Presidential Power was Bad and the Attorney General being photographed with Justice's Tits in the Background was edgy ----

The Left and Andrew Sullivan - not so much with the liking of each other.

http://smarterandrewsullivan.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 08, 2012 05:57 PM (h6mPj)

12 Look at the Catholic issue we've been hashing out this week: Typical libtard Catholic cant is that if you are pro-life, you *have to be* pro-welfare or you're a hypocrite. This argument, however, they only make to conservatives who are pro-life.

Conversely, you hear crickets when it comes to them criticizing their Demotard politicians for being pro-welfare but also pro-abortion (actively so, by supporting tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood).

You're right: it's about winning and retaining power, not logical consistency.

Posted by: logprof at February 08, 2012 05:57 PM (ykSKg)

13 BTW, you notice that about half the FBI top ten list (I checked to research new name byline) are um foriengers...

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 05:58 PM (QxSug)

14 Either they really found these things "repulsive" -- literally, inducing
a vomit reflex -- under Bush, or they did not, and were just lying in
order to secure political power.

The fucking deuce, you say!?!

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 08, 2012 05:59 PM (HpT9p)

15 Shocked, shocked etc.

Posted by: toby928© at February 08, 2012 05:59 PM (GTbGH)

16 Probably been said elsewhere: LIEberalism.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 08, 2012 06:01 PM (Mn5qB)

17 Conveniently missing from this is the Geneva Conventions and their outlines for the treatment of non-uniformed, illegal combatants, which is what all of the Gitmo detainees are, IINM. These illegal enemy combatants do not have the rights of a POW and may be executed at any time.

I find it curious that the bleeding heart, anti-war lefties who are so insistent upon the US adopting International Law routinely ignore that little tidbit.

If Bush'd had any balls, he'd have executed every one of the Gitmo detainees to show our enemies how they'd be dealt with if they took up arms against us. If he'd done that, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have to be groped in our own airports or treated as a threat to national security by our own damnedgovernment.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, feeling all extra curmudgeony today at February 08, 2012 06:01 PM (d0Tfm)

18 I guess it's difficult for Gleen to face reality that all those lovely brown people bombing the shit out of the rest of the world actually have moral authority and therefore SCOAMF felt the need to continue Bush's war against them (you know, Bush's war which the democrats demanded to approve of when they voted for the AUMF).

One of the founding cornerstones of the liberal pathology is the knowledge that only Americans have moral agency and all our enemies have none, they just react to us because we instigated their actions.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:01 PM (QxSug)

19 We were for war before we were against war before we were for it. So STFU.

Posted by: Your Democrat Overlords at February 08, 2012 06:02 PM (SzAZ7)

20 Yeah. No one saw that coming.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 08, 2012 06:02 PM (Gk3SS)

21 Speaking of hypocrites, how about the response to the "Catholic" issue wherein commenters here stated that Catholics were a bunch of hypocrites because so many Catholics have used birth control but don't want the government telling them to pay for it.


These are the same commenters who decry the Alinsky tactics of the leftists, and are applying exactly those tactics to Catholics. Just because Catholics have publicly stated morals, and fail to always live up to them, they are hypocrites, while those who can't be bothered to have such lofty goals are somehow better. Crock of shit.


Pot, kettle.


Anyone can decide to fail, or choose to fail, or accidentally fail, but very few can live up to the higher standard. That does not, in an of itself, mean we should abandon the high standards. That is the tactic of democraps and liberals in general. It is garbage.

Posted by: tcn at February 08, 2012 06:02 PM (hQX3k)

22 Bush was given a pass on TARP by Repubs. Bush was
given a pass on the Open ended War on Terror act... Bush was given a
pass on creating a whole new Federal Beurocracy called the DHS.



If you 'trust' the guy in charge, then things you would rant about
if someone else was in charge, are not that bad... both sides do it...



My big problem with the current GOP leadership, is they WON'T call the other guy out on ANYTHING.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2012 05:56 PM (lZBBB)
--You're partly right. I think GOP apathy in '08 was partly punishing Bush for dipping into TARP for GM and Chrysler, and since he was about as lame a duck as you can be I don't think he's given *that* much of a pass --certainly not by most of the faithful here.Pretty much the same with the other two, to different degrees, for different reasons.

Posted by: logprof at February 08, 2012 06:03 PM (ykSKg)

23 Demockracy.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:03 PM (lVGED)

24 Sorry, should have posted

//rant off

Posted by: tcn at February 08, 2012 06:03 PM (hQX3k)

25 Eh, say what you will about Greenwald, but he's one of the few people on the left who not only points out Obama's hypocrisy, but actually denounces him just as strongly as he denounced Bush.

Posted by: Catholic Paultard at February 08, 2012 06:03 PM (eGeIh)

26 So Gleen is a PaulBot? Meh. His socks will be fighting to pull the lever for SCoaMF.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 08, 2012 06:03 PM (eHIJJ)

27 so are the trolls fomenting the latest liberal spin? That catholics are hypocrits? Is this coming from KOS, spin from white house?

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:04 PM (QxSug)

28 The Unitary Executive.



It's Here.



Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 08, 2012 05:51 PM (h6mPj)

For a second I thought it was The Urinary Executive.


Posted by: YIKES! at February 08, 2012 06:05 PM (L3I4w)

29 There is only one virtue to the left - acquiring power.

So, haranguing Bush, whether his policies were good or not, was a moral thing to do, because it gave them an angle of attack to advance leftwing politicians.

On election, if not before, Obama saw the policies made sense, and it would cost political capital, in the pursuit of lessening governing power, to do anything about it. An immoral action as it does not advance leftist power.

A similar calculation governs leftwing drones. Attacking Obama in any real sense - lessening support or donations, let alone voting against him, would weaken leftist power so it is immoral.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2012 06:06 PM (7BU4a)

30 "There should be a word for "agreeing without actually agreeing.""

Lying?

Posted by: t-bird at February 08, 2012 06:06 PM (FcR7P)

31 27
so are the trolls fomenting the latest liberal spin? That catholics are
hypocrits? Is this coming from KOS, spin from white house?

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:04 PM (QxSug)

Probably, but there were several posts here earlier and yesterday saying what a bunch of hypocrites Catholics are because they use birth control, and because they voted Democrat in '08, and on and on. None of this has anything to do specifically with being Catholic, or with the Constitutional issue at hand, but it has proven to be as offensive as possible to what are, in all likelihood, the few of us Catholic conservatives who post here on occasion.
My point is that these tactics are exactly what the left loves, and against which we rail endlessly, but then turn around and do to ourselves.

Posted by: tcn at February 08, 2012 06:07 PM (hQX3k)

32
Eh, say what you will about Greenwald, but he's one of the few people on
the left who not only points out Obama's hypocrisy, but actually
denounces him just as strongly as he denounced Bush.
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And will vote for Obama in November if he lives in a state that is in play politically.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2012 06:07 PM (7BU4a)

33 They were using cynical means to oust Bush. They lied all the day long about their concerns.
I have yet to hear of any leftie shrieking Obama blood for oil, or baby killer . hitler. etc etc..
They were as concerned with the rights in the constitution as they seem to be now.
or not at all.

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:09 PM (TomZ9)

34 well, rational discussion has never been a symptom of the liberal pathology.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:09 PM (QxSug)

35 The anti-war protesters in my town suddenly disappeared 3 years ago. Now we've had millions just disappear from the work force...hmmmm...alien abductions?

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 08, 2012 06:10 PM (SzAZ7)

36 The Ten Commandments of the Church of Obama Almighty:

1. Thou shall have no other gods before Obama.
2. Thou shall have no graven images or likenesses unless it is cheap Obama crap from the website.
3. Thou shall not take Obama's name in vain lest you be a racist.
4. Remember April 15 and keep it holy.
5. Honor Father Barack and Mother Michelle.
6. Thou shall not kill (the unborn excepted).
7. Thou shall not criticize adultery unless committed by a Republican.
8. Thou shall not steal yourself, allow the IRS to do it for you.
9. Thou shall not bear false witness unless it protects Obama or hurts a Republican.
10. Thou shall covet thy neighbor's wife, car, boat, airplane and whatever else that running dog lackey has.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 08, 2012 06:10 PM (Hx5uv)

37 It's like he can do no wrong in spite of being able to do no right?

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2012 06:10 PM (ndtW3)

38 But there are many Obamlic voters who should be disgusted with SCOAMF's gay marriage stuff, abortion lust, catholic church taunting, private school hate, etc., but still will not care, for obama is awesome.

SCOAMF remains awesome to Obamlics because, um, socialized medicine? smug? white guilt?

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:11 PM (QxSug)

39 Eh, say what you will about Greenwald, but he's one of the few people on

the left who not only points out Obama's hypocrisy, but actually

denounces him just as strongly as he denounced Bush.
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And will vote for Obama in November if he lives in a state that is in play politically.


Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2012 06:07 PM (7BU4a)in other words He is a hypocrite.about being concerned, sure I'm concerned but I'm going to go another time, join me, greenwald

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:11 PM (TomZ9)

40 He is a hypocrite.about being concerned, sure I'm concerned but I'm going to go another time, join me, greenwald


Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:11 PM (TomZ9)


--Heh, a faux concern troll.

Posted by: logprof at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (ykSKg)

41 How modern liberalism is on the verge of collapse. This is an AMAZING essay.


Pretty good, a little long. If it doesn't link, it's in the sidebar.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (lVGED)

42 This is why, even as I get more cynical about any positive efficacy of US forces in foreign countries, I just can't credit the anti-war punks with anything approaching wisdom or honor.
They are all either ambitious or tools.

Posted by: Randy M at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (vI8R6)

43 OT: Bradley Manning--the hero of Ron Paul--has been nominated for the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize by a filthy scandi parliamentarian.

(Spotted at Warm Flatus)

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (MmrSI)

44 Glenn Greenwald?? Never heard of 'em!

Posted by: Charles Gibson at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (F6KtL)

45 >>SCOAMF remains awesome to Obamlics because, um, socialized medicine? smug? white guilt?

Booooooooosh?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 08, 2012 06:15 PM (ZKzrr)

46 The left always lies. It has to. No one looks favorably on famine, death, murder, mass graves, and despotism.

Posted by: dagny at February 08, 2012 06:15 PM (ZQGZA)

47 So he's whining because Obama's dick tastes like what he imagined Bush's would have? He ain't gonna stop sucking, so why pay him any mind?

Posted by: Doofus at February 08, 2012 06:15 PM (xKC/c)

48
Less Greenwald.
More Griswald.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 08, 2012 06:15 PM (3fiIy)

49 Owwww! This guy is worse than the last dude...

Posted by: Sweet Liberty's Butthole at February 08, 2012 06:16 PM (F6KtL)

50 Obama = Nobel Peace prize.... so just STFU

And don't you remember Code Pink giving him grief; oh wait I might be wrong about that

Posted by: ADK46er at February 08, 2012 06:16 PM (LaAMQ)

51 (Psssssssttttttttt! They will still vote for him because of abortion. Abortion kills black people and allows everybody to indiscriminately fuck without consequence. They like those two things. A lot.)

Posted by: dagny at February 08, 2012 06:17 PM (ZQGZA)

52 Just as I was about to go on a utopian high by deciding that the sighting of the Siberian mammoth was a sign of a resurgent conservatism, Hot Air goes and spoils it by identifying the "mammoth" as a large bear with a large fish in its mouth. Thanks guys. I guess it is back to hoping for the SMOD.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 08, 2012 06:18 PM (Hx5uv)

53 remember when they were all screaming at Bush to Do Something ?! (after 9-11)
I do, and why so slow. and everyone (all the dems reiterated Saddam was always a terrorist hunting for weapons of mass destruction)knew what a sob Saddam was, and the iraqi liberation act of 98 to oust saddam (clinton).


Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:18 PM (TomZ9)

54 49. That's funny. My boss can't figure out whyI'm laughing.

Posted by: Julie at February 08, 2012 06:19 PM (O/fK8)

55 "Bradley Manning--the hero of Ron Paul--has been nominated for the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize "

Obama can be the presenter.

Posted by: t-bird at February 08, 2012 06:19 PM (FcR7P)

56 38>>
But there are many Obamlic voters who should be disgusted with SCOAMF's
gay marriage stuff, abortion lust, catholic church taunting, private
school hate, etc., but still will not care, for obama is awesome.


For many Catholics, being Catholic is not the most important aspect of their life, as it is with people of all denominations. I have a hard time understanding why people don't get that. It's like they want to attack Catholics because of their own personal prejudices.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:19 PM (lVGED)

57 Hey, he's governing just like how I would! Hehehehehehe, imagine that!

Posted by: Mitt Romney at February 08, 2012 06:20 PM (F6KtL)

58 less Greenwald more Daniel Greenfield

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:20 PM (TomZ9)

59 How modern liberalism is on the verge of collapse.

Personally, I think it's spawning an even more virulent strain.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 08, 2012 06:20 PM (vbh31)

60 They will still vote for him because of abortion.

You are more correct than you think. I know single-issue voters who will vote for Democrats even if they killed their sainted grandmother, so long as they have their baby-whackin'.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at February 08, 2012 06:21 PM (bjRNS)

61 Bush was given a pass on TARP by Repubs. Bush was given a pass on the Open ended War on Terror act... Bush was given a pass on creating a whole new Federal Beurocracy called the DHS.

Don't. Nobody here was defending these things. (Well, except for ace on TARP, but that was an outlier I think. everyone was killing him over his support.)

Posted by: Truman North at February 08, 2012 06:22 PM (I2LwF)

62 My lib sister posts at Salon. She wrote a piece about Booosh-Cheney being war criminals with their "illegal" Iraq war.

Waiting for the f-i-l to pass in the next several days, surrounded by his Obamabot/Bush is evil hell-spawn (my husband being the lone exception) and the jr. hell-spawn, as our son prepares to go on his first convoy to the FOBs in Shitcanistan.


My fear/grief/rage meter is pegged to eleventy and beyond.

Gah.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 08, 2012 06:22 PM (UOM48)

63 I love Gitmo.

Anybody watch Tosh 2.0? He's not that funny unless you're really into videos on vomit or puss. But he's an abortion advocate of the likes you've never seen.

Posted by: mike at February 08, 2012 06:23 PM (h3N6R)

64 Been taking the same tack with some libs on FB.

They're all po'd about stuff and continue to blame Bush. Then they bring up how bad the "Bush Tax Cuts were". Then I say, "Didn't Obama keep those things going? Didn't the Democrat congress push those through, extend them?"

"Well, we had to do it then so the middle class, blah, blah, blah..."

"Then STFU about Bush. You support Obama and the Dems pushing through the same damn thing. You can't have it both ways fucktards."

Posted by: catmman at February 08, 2012 06:23 PM (DTzwU)

65 Whenever Obama says or does something we should say like... well you know lying and hypocrisy reflects #blackvalues. (it will get the media tied up in knots because thats what they plan on doing for the next 4 years with Rittens Momney)

Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at February 08, 2012 06:24 PM (RfvTE)

66 The only thing worse than drones killing innocent people, is one guy's drone penetrating another guy's butthole...vote for me and I'll stop them both!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at February 08, 2012 06:24 PM (F6KtL)

67 Gerg or Clarence the Clown will be by soon to explain it all to us.

Posted by: billygoat at February 08, 2012 06:25 PM (GsBJY)

68
Yes, enough of the Catholic - bashing. Newsflash, chucklenuts: There's all kinds of people in the Church. Anyone can join.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So shut the fuck up before you catch a beating.

See what I mean? That's not very Christian and I promise I'll try to do better after I dispose of your corpse. You want to judge me by standards you're not willing to live by? It's on.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (7QNaf)

69 Notice any anti war rallies after Obama won? They all started protesting at OWS.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (oIITC)

70 I completely agree with you, Ace!

Posted by: The disembodied head of Bruce Vilanch at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (ZCMDs)

71 sorry Jane, that must be really aggravating and painful.

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (TomZ9)

72 "Bradley Manning--the hero of Ron Paul--has been nominated for the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize "
------------------------------------------------------
It's going to be a great year for the Manning family.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (jucos)

73 well, liberalism is babywhacking. Well, eugenics really.

That's the thing about SCOAMF. When it comes to jesus and the poor, he's so incoherent, he's not even wrong.

Catholics care first about a culture of life. This conflicts with the liberal's love of eugenics, easy death for the inconvenient old and new and the hobbled and daft.

The poor, sure sure, charity, blah blah, but I don't think the Catechism is big on stealing or forced redistribution. And heck, I think some bishops even recognize that a rising tide lifts all ships, and that generally the poor will always be with us.

On the other hand, the left will enfeeble a population to ensure that their vote stays bought. The movie Precious...that's a democrat created monster.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:26 PM (QxSug)

74 Mr Pink, they had to keep the professional demonstrators busy somehow. You never know when they'll be needed next.

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:28 PM (TomZ9)

75 What's really great about this piece, is that the average liberal doesn't really give a shit about killing Muslim terrorists, in fact, like the rest of us, they generally kind of condone it.


So a guy like Grenwald can bitch about Obama being worse than Bush, offing innocent Muslim jihadis left and right, and the average lib goes, "Oh yeah, that's horrible", but quietly they kind of nod their heads at what a good job Obama is doing killing terrorists.


My guess is the extreme cognitive dissonance that is required to admire Obama for actions they demonized Bush over goes entirely unnoticed by most, and for the few that do see it, they explain it away as being ok because the world at least 'respects' Obama, so the terrorists he kills are allowed, or some such horse shit.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 08, 2012 06:28 PM (KI/Ch)

76 As for bashing catholics, I am poking fun at Obamlics, but the left has it out for all power that dares oppose their power, so Catholics have got to go. If you know your Alinsky, then you know what their game plan is.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:28 PM (QxSug)

77 And the dolts in the MSM play right along. Which means it never was about blood or justice. Just about deconstructing America.

Posted by: pat at February 08, 2012 06:29 PM (4uetg)

78
Ok, I'm back...had to go take a Barak and wipe my Obama....

what were we talking about??

Posted by: model_1066 at February 08, 2012 06:29 PM (YbQJm)

79 pat, seems so doesn't it.

Posted by: willow at February 08, 2012 06:30 PM (TomZ9)

80 Repulsive liberal hypocrisy extends far beyond the issue of Guantanamo.


Repulsive hypocrisy is the foundation of modern liberalism.

Posted by: really ... at February 08, 2012 06:31 PM (X3lox)

81 @77 well yeah. libs hate this country and will always side with her enemies. Although, they will posture shamelessly over the bodies of dead enemies to score points.

The lefty pathology leads them to actually think that their bogus nationalistic shtick works with hoi polloi (gutsy call, y'all?). That's when they're in power and can profit from it. When they're out of power, well, let's pour concrete on rail road tracks to stop military supplies cause like the taliban is like our minutemen.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:31 PM (QxSug)

82 I'm not sure where the idea of Catholic bashing from those within this blog came from.

As far as I can tell, no one is bashing Catholics in particular, they just happen to be an easy target because they're the largest group out there.

ALL Christian denominations are being attacked, that's important to remember. God Bless you for your faith but Catholicism is not the center of the Christian universe.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 06:35 PM (Af9gT)

83 Reading the comments at Salon is amusing.


They really are pissed with their Boy King.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 08, 2012 06:35 PM (UOM48)

84 Obama's motives are pure because he's not a holy roller like you backward assholes. That's all that counts.

Posted by: Klarence at February 08, 2012 06:36 PM (ykSKg)

85 Remember, the Dems could not get away with it without the cooperation and protection of the MSM. If our journalists of today were sent back in time to 1933, they would be covering the Munich torchlight rallies of Hitler with the same fawning admiration as they give to Obama's every action. No I am not comparing Obama to Hitler - I am comparing the MSM to the toadies that sold germany out to a tyrant-wannabe.
I am of mixed mind about the fact thatI don't know any journalists. Naturally, as an American patriot, it is a source of pride that I do not consort withsuch filth.Butit sure would be convenient tojust get drunk at a party,and use the excuse to accidentlykick the shit out of one of them.

Posted by: sherlock at February 08, 2012 06:38 PM (UeZGr)

86 I'm not sure where the idea of Catholic bashing from those within this blog came from.

If you have commented at the HQ and has not been bashed for something, you are not doing right.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2012 06:39 PM (EDjKF)

87 @84 so, the smug wins as reasons why Obamlics don't care.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:39 PM (QxSug)

88 have not...dammit.

Yes, I need grammar bashing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2012 06:39 PM (EDjKF)

89 82
>I'm not sure where the idea of Catholic bashing from those within this blog came from.


From reading the comments.

And Catholicism is "the center of the Christian universe."

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (lVGED)

90 Charles Gibson: "Glenn Greenwald?? Never heard of 'em!"

Look under Rick Ellensburg.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (eHIJJ)

91 OT: Those gay Californian's can now move to Washington....

Washington state Legislature passes bill paving the way for the state to become
the seventh in the country to legalize gay marriage

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (X6akg)

92 If you have commented at the HQ and has not been bashed for something, you are not doing right.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2012 06:39 PM (EDjKF)

I've been bashed plenty of times and I'm guessing you weren't around for LauraW's post last night.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 06:42 PM (Af9gT)

93 And Catholicism is "the center of the Christian universe."

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (lVGED)

Wrong answer. Try again.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 06:44 PM (Af9gT)

94 Tami- I think I read on Drudge that the poster children for the Cali gay marrige law are getting a divorce. Maybe they should just run over to Reno for a quicky divorce. Hmm. On second thought, can you get a divorce in a state that doesn't have gay marriage?

Posted by: Julie at February 08, 2012 06:44 PM (O/fK8)

95

Man alive, that Brain Williams Rock Center show looks good.

Good, in a manly macho sort of way. He interviews all kinds of rich people, and famous ones too.

That's what I want to watch.

I want to know ALL ABOUT what makes rich people, especially liberal ones, tick.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at February 08, 2012 06:45 PM (21IDM)

96 No I am not comparing Obama to Hitler - I am comparing the MSM to the toadies that sold germany out to a tyrant-wannabe.

I'll allow it.

Posted by: Mike Godwin at February 08, 2012 06:46 PM (3SvjA)

97 >>Wrong answer. Try again.


Look, speaking in tongues and snake handling are hilarious but hardly "the center of the Christian universe".

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:47 PM (lVGED)

98 it's not hypocrisy to say something is bad, but still better than the alternative

Posted by: Jose at February 08, 2012 06:48 PM (srIqv)

99 I think I read on Drudge that the poster children for the Cali gay marrige law are getting a divorce.


Why am I not surprised.....

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2012 06:48 PM (X6akg)

100 Look, speaking in tongues and snake handling are hilarious but hardly "the center of the Christian universe".

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:47 PM (lVGED)

They're not the center of the Christian universe either!

Do I have to spell it out for you?

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 06:50 PM (Af9gT)

101 Remember, the Dems could not get away with it
without the cooperation and protection of the MSM.

Posted by: sherlock at February 08, 2012 06:38 PM (UeZGr)



And the Vichy Right.

Posted by: really ... at February 08, 2012 06:51 PM (X3lox)

102 Be serious. Bush lied us into war for oil, destroyed Iraq and sacrificed countless American lives. Obama inherited a damage-control situation and is very skillfully playing the awful hand he was dealt. He's killed Bin Laden, is withdrawing the troops, ended the Cheney-Woo torture policy and the only reason anyone's in Guantanamo is that the Republicans have frozen the funds to try them on America soil due to phony "security" concerns.

Posted by: Percy at February 08, 2012 06:52 PM (lgmAp)

103 >>102>>
Be serious. Bush lied us into war for oil.....


Then where's my damn oil?

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:54 PM (lVGED)

104 Posted by: Percy at February 08, 2012 06:52 PM (lgmAp)


--This is a parody, like my Clarence sock, right?

Posted by: logprof at February 08, 2012 06:54 PM (ykSKg)

105 I smell cat piss again.

Posted by: Julie at February 08, 2012 06:55 PM (O/fK8)

106
Then where's my damn oil?


Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:54 PM (lVGED)
I took your two drums and buried them in my back yard.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 08, 2012 06:55 PM (z1N6a)

107 102

Overload, Percy. How much stupid can you fit in a single post?

I'll just go with this one. Obama did not kill Osama, he was flying the lead chopper.

Posted by: fluffy at February 08, 2012 06:56 PM (3SvjA)

108 >>Obama inherited a damage-control situation and is very skillfully playing the awful hand he was dealt.


Obama inherited a win in Iraq, lets see if he can fuck it up.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:56 PM (lVGED)

109 Leftists undermined an entire war effort because their guy wasn't in office.
They threw an 8 year temper tantrum, usingany convenient excuse to scream, bitch, moan, accuse, and attack.It's that simple.
Then the cocksuckers got all self righteously indignant whenever someone correctly noted their lack of patriotism.

Posted by: Warden at February 08, 2012 06:56 PM (HzhBE)

110 well, duh, 102 is a troll parody. It's the usual list of smack a troll has as the foundations of its pathological fantasy world.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 06:57 PM (QxSug)

111
>> He's killed Bin Laden,


Gutsy call, no conservative would have pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:57 PM (lVGED)

112 Are you sure Obama wasn't the first one in the compound and the first one running up the stairs?

Posted by: Julie at February 08, 2012 06:57 PM (O/fK8)

113 Oh Percy, you poor soul. While Obama was slaughtering civilians and changing regimes in North Africa without any Congressional consent, he lost his phony anti-war mantle once and for all. He'll fight, but only if it means the Muslim Brotherhood wins.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 08, 2012 06:57 PM (uIz80)

114 @98 it's not hypocrisy to say something is bad, but still better than the alternative

Riiiiiiiiight. Does your brain actually work?

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 08, 2012 06:57 PM (SzAZ7)

115 Poor Obama, Percy....only president in history to take office while there are problems. Boo-hoo....call the wambulance!



Idiot.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2012 06:58 PM (X6akg)

116 and remember, Boosh inherited Clinton's um economy. Oh wait, the Clinton bubble had burst the year before and we were in a recession. And Clinton had failed to deal with AQ who had set up a cell in America in May 2000 which would eventually kill 3000 Americans but Clinton had forced the CIA and FBI to not share intel, and had hobbled the FBI into a PC zone where one mustn't offend muslims with talk of terrorism, so the 20th highjacker never hit the radar, even though he hit the radar.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 07:02 PM (QxSug)

117
>>.....is withdrawing the troops,

As per the Boosh plan.

> ended the Cheney-Woo torture policy ..

And hurt our intelligence gathering

>> ....and the
only reason anyone's in Guantanamo is that the Republicans have frozen
the funds to try them on America soil due to phony "security" concerns.

Actually, the only reason there aren't more "people" in Guantanamo is because the President has decided to kill the enemy as apposed to taking more prisoners---how liberal(hurts intelligence gathering)--so he won't look bad. Oh, and the democrats don't seem to anxious to move the terrorists here for trial, why? Because it would hurt them in the polls.

Congratulations on you choice of ideologies.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:04 PM (lVGED)

118 Bush's oil-torture war failed because after he went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard he resorted to prayer rather than logic to make military decisions.

Posted by: Percy at February 08, 2012 07:04 PM (lgmAp)

119 --This is a parody, like my Clarence sock, right?

More like Average Dickweed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 08, 2012 07:06 PM (ex3Kq)

120 #118, nice. I think also he pulled the troops from Tora Bora because he was in the tank for Enron.


ah the moonbat nonsense trollbot is coming back to life!

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 07:06 PM (QxSug)

121 HotAir gave in to the trolls, too.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 08, 2012 07:06 PM (bxiXv)

122 And Catholicism is "the center of the Christian universe."Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (lVGED) You do realize that the Eastern Orthodox Church has been around as long if not longer than the Latin/Roman Catholic Church, right?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2012 07:06 PM (8oHPi)

123 A fisking is still a fisking, and I went elbow deep.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:07 PM (lVGED)

124 Do not torture the Cheney-Woo. It just makes it mad.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 08, 2012 07:07 PM (SzAZ7)

125 "Bush's oil-torture war failed because after he went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard ... "

... Dan, is that you?

Posted by: Arbalest at February 08, 2012 07:07 PM (4oYhY)

126
>>You do realize that the Eastern Orthodox Church has been around
as long if not longer than the Latin/Roman Catholic Church, right?


Only a real church can be "the center of the Christian universe".

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:08 PM (lVGED)

127 Bush's oil-torture war failed because

Bush? Name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, the guy who isn't President and hasn't been for over three years.

Barack Obama elbowed his way to the front of the line to "inherit the mess", and he can't claim ignorance. Before he ran, he was in the Senate. As the smartest man in the Senate, he would have known just about everything.

Next thing, Percy will tell us that the oceans really aren't receding.

Posted by: fluffy at February 08, 2012 07:08 PM (3SvjA)

128 They were using cynical means to oust Bush. They lied all the day long about their concerns.
I have yet to hear of any leftie shrieking Obama blood for oil, or baby killer . hitler. etc etc..


Many upthread have railed against the left's inconsistency. I have to disagree. They've been totally consistent in that they promulgate whatever agitprop advances their drive to collectivist dictatorship. What they say about a given issue changes as their reckoning of what advances communism changes. See: Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 08, 2012 07:10 PM (EGP3d)

129 Only a real church can be "the center of the Christian universe".
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:08 PM (lVGED)
Scratching my head here. In what way is the Eastern Orthodox Church not a real church?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2012 07:10 PM (8oHPi)

130 Scratching my head here. In what way is the Eastern Orthodox Church not a real church?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2012 07:10 PM (8oHPi)

Now you're starting to get it.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 07:12 PM (Af9gT)

131
Obama continuing Bush's war policies? Never heard of it!
And neither have you, because my friends in the media have purposefully not reported it! Speaking truth to power baby, or something or other.

Posted by: charlie gibson at February 08, 2012 07:12 PM (+56Bh)

132 I'm kidding about what is "the center of the Christian universe", I thought the constant use of "scare quotes" might have tipped my hand.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:13 PM (lVGED)

133
@ 128
SFT
Orwell was truly a genius.

Posted by: ole scratch at February 08, 2012 07:14 PM (+56Bh)

134
43 OT: Bradley Manning--the hero of Ron Paul--has been nominated for the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize by a filthy scandi parliamentarian.
(Spotted at Warm Flatus)

Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at February 08, 2012 06:14 PM (MmrSI)


And I hereby nominate the guy who iced Olof Palme back in the eighties.

How ya like *them* apples, Scandis?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 08, 2012 07:15 PM (EGP3d)

135 I thought the constant use of "scare quotes" might have tipped my hand.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:13 PM (lVGED)

HA! No it didn't.

So, what is the center of the Christian universe?

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 07:16 PM (Af9gT)

136 If Bush had stopped holding hands with Saudi Prince Abdullah long enough to sign the repeal of DADT, our military would have been fighting at full strength and the war would have been over in 2003.

Posted by: Percy at February 08, 2012 07:18 PM (lgmAp)

137
Marxists-Socialists-Communists-Progressives-Leftists-Liberals
whatever they are calling themselves these days
100 million plus eggs broken, not a single omelet made.

Posted by: ole scratch at February 08, 2012 07:19 PM (+56Bh)

138 Erg weeps for what Bush made liberals believe in.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 08, 2012 07:20 PM (789+D)

139 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at February 08, 2012 07:20 PM (7W3wI)

140 If you can't answer this, you need to sit down with your pastor/reverend/bishop and have a chat.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 07:20 PM (Af9gT)

141 Posted by: Percy at February 08, 2012 07:18 PM (lgmAp)


It's gotta be a sock....no one is that stupid. Search of the hash turns up nothing though.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2012 07:21 PM (X6akg)

142 If it weren't for America's crumbling roads and bridges which Boosh caused by signing tax cuts for the richest 1%, America wouldn't need so much oil for which we go to war to get only we gave away the rights to that sweet sweet foreign oil for which we fought.

Posted by: joeindc44 - trending upward on the FBI's most wanted list for extremism at February 08, 2012 07:22 PM (QxSug)

143

And Catholicism is "the center of the Christian universe."
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 06:41 PM (lVGED)


That's news to half the Christian universe. I'm not much into snake handling, but then Ancient Mediterranean Goddess (Mary) worship never much appealed to me, either.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 08, 2012 07:27 PM (niZvt)

144 If it weren't for America's crumbling roads and bridges
___________

The roads and bridges might be crumbling, but we've got those swell brand-new ARRA signs next to them, so there's that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 08, 2012 07:30 PM (EGP3d)

145
>>So, what is the center of the Christian universe?


I'm not an expert but I'm going with Christ....Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:32 PM (lVGED)

146 136 If Bush had stopped holding hands with Saudi Prince Abdullah long enough to sign the repeal of DADT, our military would have been fighting at full strength and the war would have been over in 2003

-----------------------

The fabulous boys bombers brigade wearing nothing but Armani thongs and nipple rings would be in Afghanistan as we speak and the war would be over bitchez!

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 08, 2012 07:36 PM (789+D)

147 That's news to half the Christian universe. I'm not
much into snake handling, but then Ancient Mediterranean Goddess
(Mary) worship never much appealed to me, either.





Posted by: CoolCzech at February 08, 2012 07:27 PM (niZvt)

Probably good that Catholics have never nor never will worship any Goddess of any kind, then, don't you think?
Please don't try to tell Catholics what they do or don't believe, and particularly when you are wrong. That would make you a SCOAMF, and I don't believe you are.

Posted by: tcn at February 08, 2012 07:38 PM (ZOUmX)

148 I'm not an expert but I'm going with Christ....Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 08, 2012 07:32 PM (lVGED)

Yes!

I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything but toomany people make the mistake of putting Church before Christ.

Posted by: ErikW at February 08, 2012 07:39 PM (Af9gT)

149 Let me get you a towel Glenn, you're gonna dribble cum on your shirt.

Posted by: Barak Obama at February 08, 2012 07:53 PM (PeBXT)

150 Shep just called lovely Holly Line "Molly" twice in a row.

No piece of Holly for Shep. But then - I doubt Holly interests him, IYKWIM.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 08, 2012 07:55 PM (niZvt)

151 @147: I was just pointing out to Dr Spank that telling non-Catholic Christians that what THEY believe (snake handling, etc) isn't very cool, either. And Catholics are hardly immune having their beliefs criticized, too.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 08, 2012 07:58 PM (niZvt)

152 Ace, please quit working so hard to convince yourself that Liberals are not all lying backstabbing weasels. Say it with me 3 times real fast till you accept it as gospel and you will be FREE!!
lying backstabbing weasels
lying backstabbing weasels
lying backstabbing weasels
There, my work is done.

Posted by: Rich K at February 08, 2012 08:22 PM (X4l3T)

153 Christ is the head of the Church.

Posted by: dagny at February 08, 2012 08:44 PM (ZQGZA)

154
Listen, and understand. Thatliberal mentalityis out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Yeah, that just came to me. Honest.

Posted by: Jaws at February 08, 2012 09:44 PM (A3yiq)

155 If it weren't for double standards, the left wouldn't have any standards at all.

Posted by: somebody else at February 08, 2012 11:32 PM (+56Bh)

156 Greenwald can eat shit.

He can complain all he wants about the left, but it's unlikely he'll vote for anyone BUT leftists.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 09, 2012 02:23 AM (l2fOr)

157 And here's the hilarious part of that story:

Five seconds after a Republican is finally back in the White House (pray that it is next January, please!), the Left will start their anti-war marches and demanding that the President be frog-marched out of the White House for Gitmo, for "starting wars without congressional approval," and for sending drones to attack terrorists in Pakistan.

The Left has no values - they are as inhuman as robots.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at February 09, 2012 02:43 AM (3dOug)

158 obama done more, he went to war with another country without congress

Posted by: oic at February 09, 2012 04:33 AM (aA6ZK)

159
The reason much of the left continues to support Obama is because for the left, there are few true believers. It's always been about envy and the quest for power. The left doesn't hate rich people per se. It just hates certain kinds of rich people - people who got rich on their own or did it without the tacit approval of the left and who refuse to genuflect to the left. Case in point: John Kerry's wealth wasn't an issue. Mitt Romney's is. Team Obama can call for higher taxes, yet be comprised of very big tax cheats.
The left also isn't antiwar. It's just anti-Israel or anti-any-country-that-doesn't-genuflect-to-the-left.
The left is also bitterly racist and sexist. It will support minorities as long as those minorities acknowledge that support, know their place, and genuflect to the left.
Sadly, I don't think any of this is new to the human condition and I don't know if we'll ever be rid of it. All we can do is try.

Posted by: Cygnus at February 09, 2012 08:19 AM (DFkgL)

160 It goes beyond hypocrisy: liberals have no shame.

Posted by: fused at February 09, 2012 11:23 PM (P34gz)






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