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Are federal government workers overpaid? Yes. And the wingnut Republican think-tank that came up with this determination? The CBO.

His Majesty never lies, but sometimes events conspire to make previous statements inoperable. It is impolite -- and a commission of lčse majesté -- to point out such things. Best to let them pass unremarked-upon, for His Majesty loves his people and does not wish them to be unduly confused.

The car parts and accessories chain Pep Boys gets bought out (“taken private”) by The Gores Group private equity firm. I mention this mainly because Pep Boys is one of those chains that has been around for what seems like forever. (And no, this firm doesn’t appear to be connected to Teh Goracle in any way. Thought it would have been mordantly funny: the world’s foremost “green” gasbag being an owner of a car-parts chain.)

Here’s some friendly advice to execs at Bank of America: when someone gives you the opportunity to be something other than a bunch of giant douchebags, you should take it.

These dumbasses who want to boycott Apple for basing their manufacturing operations in a low-wage country are...well, dumbasses. What they’re basically saying is that they’d rather the Chinese continue to live in grinding poverty, because that’s the outcome of corporations moving their manufacturing elsewhere. In poor countries -- which China still is -- poor people have to work very hard to earn very little money. So it has ever been: hard work for little pay is the lot of a poor man. Small pay is far better than no pay at all. I think the Chinese factory workers would probably tell the idiot western leftists to shut their stupid cake-holes if given the opportunity. (Bonus shot at Teh Krugman for added fun.)

People are beginning to realize that when (not if; when) the Democrat “blue model” state collapses, public spending will become a zero-sum game. This process is already underway, in fact, as states find public-sector pension and OPEB payments crowding out other spending. (Edsalls’ book can be safely ignored, by the way; note that he is an august professor of Journalism, not Economics; and like most journos he is a stout man of the left for whom all problems can be traced to Republican chicanery of one sort or another.)

The two biggest government programs — Medicare and Social Security — are almost exclusively for them, with a significant chunk of Medicaid going to the elderly as well. By about 2030, America as a whole will have the age structure currently found in Florida. That means the elderly, who vote at above-average rates, are very likely to keep winning political battles. The real question about our fiscal future is not Republicans vs. Democrats but rather whether any coalition can limit benefits to older people. It is already unlikely that the Republicans will gut Medicare or Social Security or get very far in trying. The last major expansion of Medicare came under the Bush administration, and, despite the tough talk of Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan, the Republicans are unable to enact fundamental Medicare cost control because they are too dependent on the white elderly vote.

I think we should hire the MF Global clients who were burned to the tune of about $1.2 billion to be grief counselors when Social Security and Medicare go tits-up. They can pat the backs of the devastated beneficiaries in a friendly fashion and say, “I know, man, I feel your pain. Believe me. I been through it with MF Global and that Madoff mess. The money's gone, and it ain’t comin’ back. You can point the finger of blame at douchebags like Corzine who caused the problem, sure. And maybe you should. But come end of day he’s still got his millions and he ain’t gonna spend any of it to make you whole, you know what I’m saying? Just write the money off, friend. I know it burns like fire, but trust me: the sooner you do it, the quicker you’ll be able to move on with your life. That money is gone forever. Just let it go.”

Boiled down to gravy, this means “a lack of formalized education don’t mean stupid”.

Remember that time 200 Tea Party demonstrators got arrested at a rally? ….yeah, me neither.

How much revenue would the so-called “Buffett tax” raise? In the scheme of things, very little; but that’s not the point. The point is to advance the Democrat class-warfare agenda, not to actually solve any actual problems. It’s a political, not an economic, initiative.

Walter Russell Mead in the first part of a series entitled “Beyond Blue” (i.e., beyond the so-called “blue state” model that is in the middle of falling down around our ears). In this essay, Mead takes on the crisis of the “American dream”.

The family farm didn’t die of thirst in a desert; it drowned in a sea of abundance. 125 years ago, Americans didn’t have to organize themselves to cope with poverty and the erosion of living standards; they had to organize themselves to capture and enjoy the vastly increased prosperity and freedom which new technology made possible.

Like I always say: when things go to shit, they go to shit fast. Spanair collapses suddenly, stranding thousands of travelers. Spain’s response? They’re going to fine the collapsed firm nine million Euros. Yeah, you heard me: the Spanish government is going to fine a bankrupt firm. That’ll teach ‘em!

The problem with ejecting Greece from teh Eurozone had nothing to do with Greece per se. The problem is that such an ejection would make it clear that it was possible to leave the currency union -- and that by allowing one nation to leave (or kicking them out), the EU would then have established a precedent for other debtor nations.

This ought to go without saying, but apparently it doesn’t: I will not accept money that you have squirrelled away in your underwear. Well, I make exceptions for ladies who tuck a hundie in the bra, but that’s as far as I’m willing to go.

Britain has escaped much of the press surrounding the meltdown going in the Eurozone, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t boned. They are indeed very boned. I’ve often said that America’s biggest cautionary tale about the perils of a runaway welfare state is not any nation of the Eurozone, but our cousins over in Albion. (Tell me again how this story doesn’t end in some kind of sovereign default or massive inflation. I’d love to hear it.)

Like German porn, the politics of the Greek bailout just keep getting weirder and more complicated.

Businessmen have never gotten much respect in the arts. It’s not a modern phenomenon.

The “Germanic” economic view.

"To write into law a Germanic view of how one should run an economy and that essentially makes Keynesianism illegal is not something we would do," a British official said.

Yeah, because Keynesianism has been such a smashing success so far. And since Germany is outperforming every other country in the EU economically right now, I think their opinions on how to run an economy carry more weight than indebted basket-cases like Britain.

The 2011 job-creation numbers simply reflect a reality that’s all too obvious: we’re in a recovery, but a very slow and shallow one that could dip back into recession very easily.

Greenspan: “LOL u crack me up dawg”
Teh Bernank: “tru dat ROFL”

Here's an intriguing financial riddle that seems to bolster the Keynesian case but really doesn’t. The mistaken impression it leaves has to do with Bastiat’s “seen and unseen” consequences. The clearing-house function of the stranger’s “loan” only works because the townspeople are able to clear their debts in an impossibly-short period of time...and without the provider of the “loan” being aware of the uses to which his money is being put. The money was essentially stolen by the motel owner (since the visitor hadn’t committed to renting a room yet), so everything that happened downstream of that was based on a fraud. You could have gotten the same “benefit” by using a counterfeited $100 bill. In fact, this example proves definitively why debasing the currency is bad: the “lesson” the townspeople learn is that nothing has to be produced and no wealth has to be generated to pay off debts. The short-term benefits are seen (discharge of debt), but the long-term ruin of the town is not seen. (This is why Austrian economists focus so much on human behavior; much in economics boils down to human intent, action, and consequences.)

Sadly, this kind of advice is probably going to become more and more relevant as time goes by: the 10 best part-time jobs for retirees.

Even if by some miracle the EU and ECB can bail out Greece without triggering a hard default, that’s not the end of the horrorshow by a long shot: Portugal is still queued up right behind Greece.

When you’ve reached a point where nothing effective is practical and nothing practical is effective, the situation has officially spun out of control.

20-somethings are worried about retirement. They probably shouldn’t be, because “retirement” is going to be a pretty hilariously obsolete concept long before they hit old age. On the other hand, if this gets them saving and thinking about their futures, the worry is a good thing and should be encouraged.

This story certainly fits the DOOM charter: on-demand abortion seems to be having the opposite effect of the one the feminists intended. Social engineering never quite works out the way the elites think it will, does it?

This is good news: investment companies and financial advisers must now disclose all the fees related to 401(k) plans. Giving people more choice and more control over their own money is always a good thing. Full disclosure is an essential part of making an informed decision on where to put your money.

Gold: the Chinese know a good hedge when they see one. And they may be planning for some currency “event” in the not-too-distant future. The Chinese people also know that, while living under a repressive Communist regime, it pays to have wealth that is both portable and easily transferable.

Here’s your terrifying chart-fu of the day.


Posted by: Monty at 08:48 AM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 08:49 AM (8y9MW)

2 Good morning

Yeah don't boycott Apple because they make their stuff in China - boycott Apple instead because their products are for smug hipster douchebags

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:50 AM (7FadD)

3 mmmmm cake!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 31, 2012 08:54 AM (lLKjJ)

4 boycott Apple instead because their products are for smug hipster douchebags

Agreed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 08:55 AM (8y9MW)

5 and, despite the tough talk of Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan, the Republicans
are unable to enact fundamental Medicare cost control because they are
too dependent on the white elderly vote.


umm I call bullshit - every R plan out there has said "no touching current benefits to the elderly"

they are unable to enact changes to Medicare now because (1) Pres SCOAMF would veto it, and, (2) they suck at messaging so they fall prey to demagoguery

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:56 AM (7FadD)

6 I really love my DOOMy mornings, thanks Monty. Makes the rest of the day Juuuuust GREAT!

Posted by: Tony the Tiger at January 31, 2012 08:59 AM (lLKjJ)

7 Pep Boys matches were everywhere when I was a kid.

We'd poke a hole in Manny, Moe and Jacks crotches and bend matches through them so they'd looked like dicks.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 31, 2012 08:59 AM (7+pP9)

8 What they’re basically saying is that they’d rather the Chinese continue to live in grinding poverty, because that’s the outcome of corporations moving their manufacturing elsewhere.

Well, yeah. I do want the Chinese to remain in poverty, so long as they have 1 party rule and are our national enemy. They are a merchantilist dictatorship, where there is still slave labor. They oppose ourideology. They prop up North Korea. Their trade policy is engineered to undermine our domestic production capability as part of a military strategy. How many more reasons do I need to be justified in wanting China to go broke and stay broke? Am I the only one who remembers that they are the enemy?
I feel bad for the Chinese people at the bottom, just as I used to feel bad for the Ruskies at the bottom. Doesn't change a damn thing. The USSR was the enemy, the new Russia is little better, and I'm glad we didn't trade with them.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:00 AM (xUM1Q)

9 they suck at messaging so they fall prey to demagoguery

Which means they can't pass it because they're too dependent upon the elderly white vote.

It doesn't matter that they would lose that support due to demagoguery and poor messaging; they would still lose that support.

Sadly, I have to say: Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will not be "fixed" until they collapse. No politician will touch them, because it's too easy to demagogue (or, on the Democrat side, because it makes so many people so dependent upon the Government).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:01 AM (8y9MW)

10 Are government workers over paid? Let me ask it this way. Would you leave the sanity of your private sector job to descend into federal agency politically correct hell on earth for a mere 15% raise? Not me, no way.

Now if you wanted to cut federal pay 15% and those government jobs went unfilled or filled with even less qualified people. That sounds like a great idea.

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 31, 2012 09:03 AM (SDkq3)

11 How many more reasons do I need to be justified in wanting China to go
broke and stay broke? Am I the only one who remembers that they are the
enemy?


This is a good point. At what point does our desire (even need) to keep China weak (at least until they become more free and less our enemy) outweigh our desire (and even need) for cheap stuff?

Now, I will point out: it is people with money (and therefore some free time) who can actually formulate classical liberal thoughts and realize that the Communist Government needs to be overthrown, so I'm not entirely certain that keeping them in poverty is the best way to deal with them. There's an argument that say the richer they become, the more liberties they will seek, and the less strength the Communists will have on the country.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:04 AM (8y9MW)

12 Now if you wanted to cut federal pay 15% and those government jobs went
unfilled or filled with even less qualified people. That sounds like a
great idea.


That does sound like a great idea to me, actually. We've become way too dependent upon the government for way too much. Some incompetence might be a small price to pay to get everyone else as aggravated about it as we are.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:06 AM (8y9MW)

13 There is a screwed-up link over in the sidebar for the Juan Williams douchebaggery story. It currently links to "http:// ace.mu.nu /juan-williams-finds- racism-candidates-and- others-use-constitution-and-fo"


Posted by: Tarbash, the Egyptian Magician at January 31, 2012 09:07 AM (LFZSO)

14 My Moment of Doom this morning was a sudden epiphany about a Crying Game adaptation of Harry Potter, Mary Potter and The Moment of Truth.
I think I'll go to write out the entire script while it's still fresh in my mind... the pivotal moment is when Mary has "his" first kiss with cute little Hermaphrodite...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 09:07 AM (U+BDE)

15 How can there be a Doom thread after Barry has created 22 million new jobs?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2012 09:08 AM (1Jaio)

16 Re the sex-selective abortion, I don't think the feminists care. They are not interested in future demographics, or even female hegemony in the future. It's all about doing what they want to do, as individuals, right now. One of the things they like to do is feel self-righteously tolerant of the intolerable. This is but one example. They also have nothing to say about Islam's abuse of women. Rest assured they hate Christianity, though. I have no doubt that Satan is a card carrying NOW member.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:08 AM (xUM1Q)

17 How can there be a Doom thread after Barry has created 22 million new jobs?

Because to keep up with pop growth, he needed to create 38 million new jobs.

A goal the "stupid" George Bush managed to accomplish for roughly 7 years of his 8 in office.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:09 AM (8y9MW)

18 >>boycott Apple instead because their products are for smug hipster douchebags<<

Smug hipster douchebags are a subset of Apple's core demographic: people too stupid to use computers. Who said "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"?

And why is it never "racism" when proggs want to keep brown people in squalor?

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 09:09 AM (ZKzrr)

19 Not that I was neglecting the Doom links, we just need to "keep it tight as a Carradine knot" around here, is all.

Posted by: Tarbash, the Egyptian Magician at January 31, 2012 09:11 AM (LFZSO)

20 Tired of reading stories about people using the ER for basic medical care? Click my name for something completely different!!

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2012 09:13 AM (XdlcF)

21 There's an argument that say the richer they become, the more liberties they will seek, and the less strength the Communists will have on the country.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:04 AM (8y9MW)

I hear you, but consider this - would it have been better for Reagan to open up trade with the USSR to enrich the people and thus inspire them to capitalism? Russia is proof that being richer does not make people more desperate to be free. Look how they are now. However, a long enough period of grinding poverty, with an obvious dichotomy between that and the prosperous state of a free nation, should motivate people and provide them with a reason for change.
Even Americans, who should know better, will trade freedom for prosperity/comfort 9 times out of 10. What do we expect from a nation where the culture is based on thousands of years of virtual slavery for all but the people at the top? Plus their philosophy is largely Buddhist in foundation - the suffering of life is seen as being driven by desire. This ethos is contrary to self advancement. It's defeatist. Their entire way of thinking is different from ours.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:14 AM (xUM1Q)

22 This guy seems to be China's version of that OWS "masters degree in puppetry" douche.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16736937

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 09:14 AM (ZKzrr)

23 Not to worry, as Monty points out all the doom you have to remember "We're all going to arrive at the scene of the crash together, at the bottom of the crater."

Posted by: Gmac at January 31, 2012 09:16 AM (k2Fyd)

24 Click my name for something completely different!!

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If you look at the geographical distribution of this problem (people going to the ER for toothaches because they can't afford a dentist), you'll see it's heavily concentrated in more rural areas. Why? Meth-mouth. Go to any hospital serving a rural population, especially in the midwest and south, and you're going to get a lot of meth-heads with some broke-ass teefuses.

Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:17 AM (/0a60)

25 eh - free trade is good not just because it helps China, or even primarily because it helps China, but because it helps us.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 09:19 AM (7FadD)

26 Isn't a Greek bailout the height of German pron? These questions must be asked.

Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2012 09:20 AM (/ZZCn)

27 I think that most of the overpayment is in benefits rather than the size of the takehome paycheck. Most people don't consider anything other than that takehome. And I bet a lot of those benefits are future value of pensions/returement, that likely are not going to be paid.

For public employees that is kind of a screwing - forgoing pay in the here and now for a future security that later gets taken away.

The individual worker is not really the cause of the screwing - along the way, the government found it easier to promise things that it could not fulfill. And the unions found they could exploit that and get rich in the meantime.

Perverse incentives.


Posted by: blaster at January 31, 2012 09:20 AM (wMMGS)

28 (From the idiots at Yahoo) A new study based on based interviews with more than 200 North American Muslims concludes that a recent spate of state laws banning "sharia law" from
the court system may be an overreaction to a non-existent threat.The qualitative study, by University of Windsor law professor Julie MacFarlaine
and published by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding
think tank, is the first to ask American Muslims what they think of
sharia, or Islamic religious law.



Ah yes, a pinko policy institute talks to 200 Muslims who say that don't want sharia so the MFM will run with this as "right wing paranoia". Just like there was no threat from the Soviet Union. All of these lefty womyn like MacFarlaine ought to have sharia applied to them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2012 09:21 AM (1Jaio)

29 However, a long enough period of grinding poverty, with an obvious
dichotomy between that and the prosperous state of a free nation, should
motivate people and provide them with a reason for change.


Maybe, but the Chinese government has "chains for the soul" on their people. At least some of them are going to have to get free from those chains before anything is going to change.

Neither prosperity nor poverty, alone, will do it. And the Chinese are very, very careful about shutting up the few who are successful (either by co-opting them into Government, or prison, or exile). So I think there need to be more of them who have time to lift their heads from their labors and say, "Is this all there is?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:22 AM (8y9MW)

30 And I bet a lot of those benefits are future value of pensions/returement, that likely are not going to be paid.

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Not really. In net-present terms, OPEB (healthcare, primarily) are worth a lot more than the pension piece. And just in terms of straight take-home pay, Feds get paid a good bit more than their private-sector counterparts, especially as you move up in the GS heirarchy.

State and municipal public employees don't have it as good, but their gold-plated benefits offset the (small) differential in pay.

Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:22 AM (/0a60)

31 Now, I will point out: it is people with money (and therefore some free
time) who can actually formulate classical liberal thoughts and realize
that the Communist Government needs to be overthrown, so I'm not
entirely certain that keeping them in poverty is the best way to deal
with them. There's an argument that say the richer they become, the more
liberties they will seek, and the less strength the Communists will
have on the country.


Only real problem with that is they have designed their system so that a disproportionate share of the wealth generated goes to the party or to family members of high party officials, and it seems to be by design.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at January 31, 2012 09:23 AM (el8NC)

32 Only real problem with that is they have designed their system so that a
disproportionate share of the wealth generated goes to the party or to
family members of high party officials, and it seems to be by design.


All the more reason to provide ever-better jobs for the impoverished.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:24 AM (8y9MW)

33 When Apple's subcontractor in China has to put nets around their building to catch despondent workers trying to jump to their death I just not surethey're happy making IDouches.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 31, 2012 09:24 AM (6BgmB)

34 I truly and honestly could not care less about "grinding poverty" in China. Bust the unions, and bring those manufacturing jobs back to the USA. Let China take care of the Chinese.

Posted by: GORDON at January 31, 2012 09:25 AM (n/yEx)

35 I know precisely jack and shit about economics, but maybe the morons can help me out.

I know these people on Facebook who say things like, "Paul Krugman says this about the economy and he's won a Nobel Prize in economics so it must be right." One of them gets all sneering and sarcastic: "The manager of the Cumby's with his big associate's degree in business management somehow thinks he's smarter than NOBEL PRIZE winner, author of more than 20 books on economics, and holder of a PhD in economics Paul Krugman."
Frankly, I would listen to somebody who was actually running a business over Paul Krugman any day.

So, what I'm looking for is economics Nobel Prize winners who have disagreed with Krugman. Apparently, winning the Nobel Prize means something to the Left. I haven't given a fuck about it since Yassir Arafat won the peace prize. Milton Friedman won once, I know that, but I look at the list of the other winners and I don't know any of the names.
So, any help in demonstrating to these deluded people that Paul Krugman isn't the end-all and be-all of economic theory would be most appreciated.

Posted by: Fart at January 31, 2012 09:25 AM (39HkA)

36
Fart,
tell them your prefer the economics of F.A. Hayek, who is also a Nobel Prize winner. (i think)

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2012 09:27 AM (wuv1c)

37 WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - A burgeoning population of huge pythons - many of them pets that were turned loose by their owners when they got too big - appears to be wiping out large numbers of raccoons, opossums, bobcats and other mammals in the Everglades, a study says.
The study, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that sightings of medium-size mammals are down dramatically - as much as 99 percent, in some cases - in areas where pythons and other large, non-native constrictor snakes are known to be lurking.
Scientists fear the pythons could disrupt the food chain and upset the Everglades' environmental balance in ways difficult to predict.

I guess the only way to be sure we get all the pythons is to take off and nuke the place from space?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:27 AM (i6RpT)

38 Bust the unions, and bring those manufacturing jobs back to the USA.

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America does plenty of manufacturing -- more than we did as far back as 1960, as a matter of fact. But that doesn't equate to more jobs, because robots and computers are doing most of the fabricating these days. The Chinese are discovering the same thing, really: the industrialization of that country hasn't really led to a bunch more employment; it's just made the employees way more productive on a per-individual basis, just as it has here.

There's no going back to the way things were before. It's a fool's dream to think otherwise.

Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM (/0a60)

39 I love the smell of Doom-thread in the morning.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM (1LVY7)

40 Maybe, but the Chinese government has "chains for the soul" on their people. At least some of them are going to have to get free from those chains before anything is going to change.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:22 AM (8y9MW)

True enough.I contend that the T. Square Massacre should make it clear that this has already begun. And this touches on the fact that freedom is an expression of culture. Without changing how they think, there can be no progress. The internet is helping some. Freedom of info is way more important that economicprosperity in terms of freeing their minds.
The only bright light I see there is that Christianity is spreading faster than any competing religion in China. Russia always had a little hope because of the influence of the Orthodox faith. China has a tougher road.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM (xUM1Q)

41 The wife of disgraced Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine had sex with numerous players over many years, according to an explosive affidavit by one of the ball boys Fine is accused of molesting.

In the court papers, Robert Davis, one of the former ball boys, says he overheard Laurie Fine and the wife of another coach talk about performing oral sex on players, and the “specific size and physical attributes” of their private parts.



Always wondered by a School in the middle of upstate NY did so well with recruiting?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:29 AM (i6RpT)

42 So, any help in demonstrating to these deluded people that Paul Krugman
isn't the end-all and be-all of economic theory would be most
appreciated.


1976 - Milton Friedman

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:30 AM (8y9MW)

43 Meth-mouth. Go to any hospital serving a rural
population, especially in the midwest and south, and you're going to get
a lot of meth-heads with some broke-ass teefuses.



Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:17 AM (/0a60)--------------------
Well I am in the South and more or less rural area and I have been in the Hospital a damn great deal in the past 6 months and I have noticed no great influx of methmouth.
My understanding of the methheads is at they really don't go in to get anything done until someone calls an ambulance because they are dying. They may as well just haul them straight to the morgue then.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 09:30 AM (YdQQY)

44 Doom Kitteh is Doomy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 09:33 AM (UOM48)

45 Hopefully, the Bank of Amigos disappears. I still remember how those suckers of cock used to brag about how they gave illegal aliens credit cards. Funny howthey don't talk about that anymore.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 31, 2012 09:33 AM (M0NzJ)

46 - French lawmakers appealed to the country's highest court on Tuesday to overturn a law that makes it illegal to deny the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks nearly a century ago was genocide.

The move raises the possibility that the law, which sparked an angry reaction in Turkey, will be dismissed as unconstitutional.

Related:
French genocide bill faces Turkish reprisals
France vote on genocide law faces Turkish reprisals
The bill, which received final approval on January 23, prompted Ankara to cancel all economic, political and military meetings with Paris. Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan attacked the French parliament for passing what he said was "discriminatory and racist" legislation.


How do you say surrender in french?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:34 AM (i6RpT)

47
On the Meade abortion topic, that is a recipe for war.
Many societies are going to have populations with many many more males than females?
Not only will you have an overly aggressive society, as males are the more agressive sex, but you will have millions upon millions of men who have no prospects for a family.
The world is doing everything it can to ensure a painful and deadly future.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2012 09:36 AM (wuv1c)

48 The EU is afraid the Greeks may realize that they can just tell the ECB and the bankers to fuck off with their debt and leave the EUrather than spend decades in debt slavery and in doing so they might give Italy, Spain, and Portugal the same idea blowing all the banks to hell including our own because the SCoaMF and his minionswere too stupid to ring-fence our own financial system from the Euro disaster when that was still possible a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 31, 2012 09:36 AM (6BgmB)

49 Are government workers overpaid?
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Ask the "concerned government engineer" who logged on to trash Navy people who he claimed tore up shit. He claimed he was a regular reader but it was the first time I had seen his name, and for his first post he trashes sailors at a blog full of military people.

I told him to shove it up his ass. We have new type of troll now. A "concerned know-it-all engineer".

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)

50
>>>>Well I am in the South and more or less rural area and I have been in the Hospital a damn great deal in the past 6 months and I have noticed no great influx of methmouth.
My understanding of the methheads is at they really don't go in to get anything done until someone calls an ambulance because they are dying. They may as well just haul them straight to the morgue then.

I went camping with a group of people. One of them was an EMT. He said that over 50% of their calls are drug related and a large percentage of them are from drug addicts who need a ride. He said for legal reasons, they have to attend to every call. Even if they know its some drug addict who simply wants a ride to the hospital(which is near an intended destination)

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2012 09:38 AM (wuv1c)

51 How do you say surrender in french?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:34 AM (i6RpT)


Only about a brazillion different ways. Not a single word for "bravery" however.

Posted by: NC Ref at January 31, 2012 09:39 AM (lLKjJ)

52 The EU is afraid the Greeks may realize that they can just tell the ECB
and the bankers to fuck off with their debt and leave the EUrather than
spend decades in debt slavery and in doing so they might give Italy,
Spain, and Portugal the same idea blowing all the banks to hell
including our own because the SCoaMF and his minionswere too stupid to
ring-fence our own financial system from the Euro disaster when that was
still possible a couple of years ago.


That's the kind of thing that can lead to a shootin' war.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:40 AM (8y9MW)

53 Monty - If Apple et. al. were bringing people up to a higher standard of living in China and elsewhere, I would be the first to agree with you. They are not.

The people that work at FoxxCon and other places live in horrid conditions and are forced to work 16 hour days in some cases, and live in tiny dormitory rooms sleeping 8 people in bunks. They had to string nets along the sides of the buildings because there were so many suicides by people jumping off.

Personally, I say fuck Apple. They spend the least they can by employing slave labor in China and charge premium prices for their crap.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2012 09:41 AM (f9c2L)

54
I hear you, but consider this - would it have been better for Reagan to open up trade with the USSR to enrich the people and thus inspire them to capitalism? Russia is proof that being richer does not make people more desperate to be free. Look how they are now. However, a long enough period of grinding poverty, with an obvious dichotomy between that and the prosperous state of a free nation, should motivate people and provide them with a reason for change. <<<



"The difficulty in understanding the Russians is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk."


General George S. Patton

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 31, 2012 09:41 AM (gNVKv)

55 There's no going back to the way things were before. It's a fool's dream to think otherwise.
Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM (/0a60)

Right. It will never be that good again. From now forward, what we will see is ever intensifying concentration of wealth in the hands of owners/managers of production facilities,and the technocrats.There will be little work for the average person to do. Either the plutocrats will think of a way to pacify the hordes of unemployed (and reduce their numbers), or it will get ugly and we'll have more full blown socialism. The funny thing is that this process of removing consumers from the act of production will destroy aggregate demand, and make mass manufacturing impossible because there will not be enough of a market to buy the surplus. Even a rich person only needs so many of each item, and most of theirextra moneygoes back into investment anyway, rather than consumption.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:41 AM (xUM1Q)

56 >How do you say surrender in french?

Ich ergebe mich!

Posted by: por vous at January 31, 2012 09:42 AM (LFZSO)

57 The people that work at FoxxCon and other places live in horrid
conditions and are forced to work 16 hour days in some cases, and live
in tiny dormitory rooms sleeping 8 people in bunks. They had to string
nets along the sides of the buildings because there were so many
suicides by people jumping off.


You know what else? They eat regularly. They have "stuff." Most of them, from my understanding, only work there about 18 months to 2 years, and then they've made enough money to go do something else.

It's not as black-and-white as the guys on Gizmodo would have you believe.

Also, Apple spent a great deal of time, effort, and money trying to figure out what the problem was and fix it. At some point, the problem is not one that can be solved short of having much more expensive labor- and that's something Apple really can't afford.

It's hard enough to swallow paying $500.00 for an iPad (hard enough that I went with a Fire, instead). Imagine how many fewer they would have sold if they'd had to charge $750.00 each.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:45 AM (8y9MW)

58 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 31, 2012 09:41 AM (gNVKv)

Thanks for that! What a great quote... If only we'd had more men like Patton, especially in government.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:46 AM (xUM1Q)

59 Want to bitch about Apple and substandard work place safety and wages. Hey go ahead and knock yourself out. But the fact remains that anything made outside the USA, in places like Mexico, South America, Asia, China and Yada Yada Yada are all made that way.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:48 AM (i6RpT)

60 re: apologist "Apple in Red China" argument, same applies to our ally commie Vietnam, and when consistently applied, covers Cuba as well. But then, Vietnam and Cuba aren't buying our debt. So really, that's the determining factor in the American and globalist rationale to exploit slave labor. No? Given that the Vietnamese qualify as Asian, it can't be a racial choice, that "Asians are better" workers, unless of course that boils down to CHINESE Asians are the best at everything (vomit), and in comparison, the Cubans are slovenly and deserve American abuse (wrong). The communist leaders in China and Vietnam (at odds with each other) are better people or have a better form of communism than Cuba has? -- as if US Policy and FAVORED NATION trading have no impact on the peon's life, the only people (mass population) in Cuba negatively affected by the US Isolation Policy.

Posted by: Panzernashorn at January 31, 2012 09:48 AM (lpWVn)

61 It's hard enough to swallow paying $500.00 for an iPad (hard enough that I went with a Fire, instead). Imagine how many fewer they would have sold if they'd had to charge $750.00 each.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:45 AM (8y9MW)

Yeah. How did we ever live before iPads? Life was slightly less convenient somehow, probably.
I assure you, an Applehead will pay any price for their stuff. It's how they define themselves, and how they obtain status.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:50 AM (xUM1Q)

62 The problem with "the blue State model" collapsing is that the feds will not allow those blue States to collapse. They will keep bailing them out with red State taxpayer money.

And it is not just dumocrats. I swear, if we had 90% Republicans in both houses of congress and the same leadership we have now they will still be making deals and bailing out States like CA.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 09:51 AM (YdQQY)

63 Sorry, posted this on a deadish thread.

via LI:
"Mark Levin interviewed Allen West on January 30. West stated that maps were submitted to the legislature

which would have kept his district intact and still been in compliance

with state and federal law. Levin said he did not believe the excuses

being made that the map had to be drawn the way it was as a matter of

law."

Interview at the Right Scoop: http://tinyurl.com/7uqr8fr


I denounce myself for believing that entrenched politicians behave politically.

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 09:51 AM (5H6zj)

64 >>Not only will you have an overly aggressive society, as males are the
more agressive sex, but you will have millions upon millions of men who
have no prospects for a family.<<

Video games and internet pr0n. They'll stay 12 forever, like a significant percentage of American and European males born after 1970.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 09:53 AM (ZKzrr)

65 But the fact remains that anything made outside the USA, in places like Mexico, South America, Asia, China and Yada Yada Yada are all made that way.
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 09:48 AM (i6RpT)

Maybe, but I've not heard of too many mass suicides in Mexico. Maybe it's just a news blackout...
Let's think about this - they had to put up NETS to CATCH PEOPLE JUMPING OUT OF WINDOWS. Maybe I'm an idiot, but somehow that seems like a pretty serious HR problem to me.
Apple can't fairly be singled out, since many others are as abusive and worse. But let's not make angels out of them, either. It's all cold calculation, and any benefits to the Chinese workeror the American consumer are purely incidental. This is as it should be, just as long as legal and ethical lines are not crossed. But in China, crossing those lines is pretty easy.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 09:54 AM (xUM1Q)

66 Dang! Same old busted blog. I was hoping the dawn would usher in a new beginning.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2012 09:54 AM (OlN4e)

67 I assure you, an Applehead will pay any price for their stuff. It's how they define themselves, and how they obtain status.

Yeah, but there aren't enough Applehead's to pay Apple's bills. That's why they were collapsing in the late 90's. The members of the cult were still buying macs, but no one else was.

What Jobs getting back into the company did was to make Apple products more accessible to everybody.

If their prices go up, that accessibility goes away, and they start shrinking again.

I'm not saying I support Apple (though I do- they bring a lot of good things to market, and make others compete with them. The iPad is why the Kindle Fire exists, and I love my Fire), I'm pointing out that, from a self preservation standpoint, they have to keep costs as low as possible.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 09:56 AM (8y9MW)

68 You Apple haters are funny.

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 09:58 AM (5H6zj)

69 I've said for a long time that the unnatural girl to boy ratios that result from sex-selective abortion are going to be a driving force in the next major global conflict. It may not be overt -- I don't know that anyone's going to go to war to steal women from a neighboring country anymore; that was more Genghis Khan's style -- but it will absolutely be a core factor. I suspect it will start in China, because that country is a powder keg waiting for the match that will set it aflame.

I would wager the thought process will go something like this:

The young men who are "selected" for birth over their aborted sisters are so chosen because they are expected to support their parents when their parents are in their dotage. But who is going to support the son when HE reaches old age? If he can find no wife and has no children, who will support HIM? Why should he work his whole life to support a government and social structure comprised of fat old men who offer him nothing in return but misery and loneliness?

Further, the "ghost girls" are bound to have a very real toll on a nation's economy in the long term. Fewer women means fewer consumers: not just the missing women themselves, but alsoany children they may have had, and those children's children, etc. Fewer consumers means less demand. Less demand means businesses hire fewer workers. Fewer workers means fewer jobs for the men whowere bornto support their parents, as well as the men who are lucky enough to find wives and have children of their own. Now it's not just the young against the old, but the families against the singles. It's a massive conflagration in potentia.

Or, to be more vulgar, the whole situation is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable social, cultural, political and economic failure.

(In a way it's a similar situation to that faced by the young people in America today, who are forced to support the aging Baby Boomer generation with little hope of financial security for themselves in the future. It pits the young against the old in a very bitter battle, made all the more bitter because it goes against the natural workings of society. Traditionally parents care for their children and see to their needs until adulthood, at which point the children gain independence. When the parents reach the frailty of old age, the children return to help support them. The waters have been muddied over the years, but that is still the basic framework. By injecting government compulsion into the equation, the filial nature of this relationship is stripped away.)

To paraphrase The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, this is why I expect feminists and their sycophant supporters will be among the first against the wall when the revolution comes. And they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at January 31, 2012 09:59 AM (4df7R)

70 Video games and internet pr0n. They'll stay 12 forever, like a significant percentage of American and European males born after 1970.
Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 09:53 AM (ZKzrr)

Yes! The one consolation of modern life is the joy of technology, that breaks our shackles (and replaces them with new ones). Feminism created a need, and technology has filled it, freeing men from the vile drudgery of our real lives, wherein we are vilified and regarded by mates as money-producing property. One day the fembot will be perfect in Japan, and the true golden age will begin. Oh, glorious day...

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 10:00 AM (xUM1Q)

71 ynot

you are sweet

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:00 AM (Ho2rs)

72 i prefer nectarines.

Posted by: willow at January 31, 2012 10:00 AM (TomZ9)

73 "If only we'd had more men like Patton, especially in government."

Patton would never choose to become a government bureaucrat.

"If only"? Next, play the Petraeus card, as if he qualifies "like Patton", as if Patton would have made a good POTUS, as if Petraeus would, either. Patton was our greatest General, and was ruined because of politics and offended politicians. Patton was no politician, and would never accept the job Petraeus sought and attained, merging the US Military beneath the CIA. Patton would NEVER have become the CIA chief (had the position existed), not just because he wouldn't be selected; he would never be offered such a job. Such an offer would confront Patton's sensibilities. Patton believed his oath to protect and defend the US Constitution, separation of powers.

Posted by: Panzernashorn at January 31, 2012 10:03 AM (lpWVn)

74 It's the idea that (1) Apple computers are toys for people who know nothing about computing, which is patently untrue, and (2) that Apple is somehow the embodiment of Liberalism, making one wonder what the heck Bill Gates' Microsoft is. Gates has done more political meddling in this country than Jobs ever did.

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 10:04 AM (5H6zj)

75 Gates is a menace, his fiddling with elementary education is further proof that he is the George Lucas of tech.

And yes, Reactionary, tech will in the end fill the "gap" of missing females.

Females should honestly be worried.

They won't even be needed for gestation very soon.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 31, 2012 10:06 AM (SB0V2)

76 It's hard enough to swallow paying $500.00 for an
iPad (hard enough that I went with a Fire, instead). Imagine how many
fewer they would have sold if they'd had to charge $750.00 each.


Posted by: AllenG
..........
Or, imagine if Apple didn't make such a profit and paid the workers better. Apple made $13 Billion last quarter alone.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2012 10:06 AM (f9c2L)

77 I've seen The Future, brother, it is murder.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 31, 2012 10:06 AM (SB0V2)

78 @8 Also, don't forget that the Chinese are some of the most xenophobic, racist and arrogant people in part because they've always lived in a relatively closed system fed only propaganda. I mean, they believe the only language harder to understand and learn than Chinese is the language of the gods.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 31, 2012 10:07 AM (7jkW7)

79
So really, that's the determining factor in the American and globalist rationale to exploit slave labor<<<<

Ahhh... I see your problem. It's that you're full of shit. You define "slave labor" as "work I wouldn't be willing to do."


Tell me, Hero of the Proletariat, how is it that "slaves" in China are COMPETING for jobs at companies like Foxconn? Could it be because they are seeking to IMPROVE their standard of living? And that a beneficial side effect of your greed for cheaper electronic toys actually helps out the poor in China by creating opportunities for increased earnings and quality of life that they wouldn't otherwise enjoy?

Don't strain yourself, hippy. The answer is YES.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 31, 2012 10:08 AM (gNVKv)

80 Palate cleanser... Uncle Ted writes a brief column highlighting the positives of all four remaining candidates.
http://tinyurl.com/7mu6p5d

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 10:08 AM (5H6zj)

81 It's the idea that (1) Apple computers are toys for people who know
nothing about computing, which is patently untrue, and (2) that Apple is
somehow the embodiment of Liberalism, making one wonder what the heck
Bill Gates' Microsoft is. Gates has done more political meddling in this
country than Jobs ever did.


I don't know that Apple computers are "toys for people who know nothing about computing." I do know that they're very trendy, and I tend to distrust anything trendy. As for Apple being the "embodiment of Liberalism," I believe that has the relationship backwards, basically. I don't think it's the embodiment, it's the mascot.

Steve Jobs, himself, was a capitalist to the core. His products, however, have been overwhelmingly adopted by hipster douche liberals who I'd kind of like to kick in the nads. If they had nads, that is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:08 AM (8y9MW)

82 Let's fully blame Apple for work conditions in China. Ya may want to consider blaming the Chicom Gov and system for that.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 10:09 AM (i6RpT)

83 Let's fully blame Apple for work conditions in China. Ya may want to consider blaming the Chicom Gov and system for that.
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 10:09 AM (i6RpT)


I mean let's NOT fully blame Apple.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 10:09 AM (i6RpT)

84 chi town

so they made 13 billion....the money they made is their business and what they are in business for.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:10 AM (Ho2rs)

85 82
Let's fully blame Apple for work conditions in China. Y
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I think I told you guys a couple of weeks ago about meeting this lib who said sotto voce that she believe Steve Jobs was to blame for California's economic woes. It was hard to keep a straight face.

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (5H6zj)

86 46 - French lawmakers appealed to the country's highest court on Tuesday to overturn a law that makes it illegal to deny the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks nearly a century ago was genocide.
The move raises the possibility that the law, which sparked an angry reaction in Turkey, will be dismissed as unconstitutional.

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France: Where it's unconstitutional to demand that people tell the truth about genocide.

Europe: Enabling this bullshit for the last century. Join us, won't you?

Obama Administration: "Make the truth unconstitutional... Hey, that sounds like an interesting idea..."

The Rest of America: "FUCK YOU, EUROPE!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (4df7R)

87 ...and i'm sure it wasn't just people working at apple jumping out of buildings......i'm sure cart vendors were jumping into traffic as well....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (Ho2rs)

88 Or, imagine if Apple didn't make such a profit and paid the workers better. Apple made $13 Billion last quarter alone.

Yes. How dare they make profit.

Tell me, how much did Apple spend "last quarter alone?" And how much of that revenue came from hardware sales?

As EoJ points out: the Chinese are competing (even fighting/rioting) for those jobs, so obviously they think whatever their other options are are worse. Yeah, the suicides were terrible (I haven't heard of any for quite a while, so they may have fixed whatever the problem was), but given the state of China itself, I'm not sure it wasn't just the easy way out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (8y9MW)

89
@47 - Exactly right. Not only will women be a prized commodity in a society like that, but men will end up fighting to be able to be the one whose DNA survives to the next generation.

And what that is going to mean is that once a man "gets" a woman, he is going to keep her locked awayso thatnobody else can have her.

So the feminists are, in essence, working themselves right back into the "barefoot and pregnant" model that they so desperately rail against.

Human nature - it is a bitch.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 10:12 AM (0xqzf)

90 and i'm sure it wasn't just people working at apple jumping out of buildings......i'm sure cart vendors were jumping into traffic as well....
Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (Ho2rs)


Anything coming out of China I take with a huge grain of salt

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 10:12 AM (i6RpT)

91 Is someone here attacking CAPITALISM?! eleventy!!11!

I'm discovering that "thou shalt not attack Capitalism" does not apple to Apple computers or Big Pharma. ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2012 10:12 AM (5H6zj)

92 nevergiveup

no kidding....their gov't is looking to shake down a successful business......

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:13 AM (Ho2rs)

93 ...and i'm sure it wasn't just people working at
apple jumping out of buildings......i'm sure cart vendors were jumping
into traffic as well....

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 31, 2012 10:11 AM (Ho2rs)
Were the jumpers (mostly) all male? If so maybe it didn't have anything to do with work at all. Maybe they just couldn't take the "frustration" any more IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2012 10:15 AM (RSqz2)

94 .. still waiting to hear how much Monty got for designing Ron Paul's investment portfolio ..

Posted by: Gerry at January 31, 2012 10:15 AM (VJBw0)

95 >>It's the idea that (1) Apple computers are toys for people who know nothing about computing

I know this hurts your feelings, but precious few artists, musicians, or kindergarteners know shit about "computing." They can turn things on and use apps.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 10:16 AM (ZKzrr)

96
>>>@8 Also, don't forget that the Chinese are some of the most xenophobic, racist and arrogant people in part because they've always lived in a relatively closed system fed only propaganda. I mean, they believe the only language harder to understand and learn than Chinese is the language of the gods.


Ha. I spent some time in China and people have no concept of how racist the Chinese are. They're 94% Han Chinese. I don't know if there is another country in the world that is that homogeneous.
Theytend to hate the Japanese, butit's beyond their ability to understand just how similar they are to the Japanesewhen it comes to a sense of racial superiority.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2012 10:16 AM (wuv1c)

97 >>So the feminists are, in essence, working themselves right back into the
"barefoot and pregnant" model that they so desperately rail against.<<

I know we all hate women here, but let's be fair: Mao et al didn't set up the "one baby" policy because they read Betty Friedan.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 31, 2012 10:17 AM (ZKzrr)

98 I know this hurts your feelings, but precious few artists, musicians, or
kindergarteners know shit about "computing." They can turn things on
and use apps.


An ever-growing number of developers (yes- specifically Microsoft .NET developers) are using Macs professionally.

I, personally, don't understand the turn-on, but there are several who swear by them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:18 AM (8y9MW)

99 I love Apple in terms of capitalism. And although I pray I'm no hipster douchebag, you'd have to pry my IPhone out of my cold dead hand.

Posted by: Biblio at January 31, 2012 10:19 AM (7o8VY)

100 And what that is going to mean is that once a man "gets" a woman, he is going to keep her locked awayso thatnobody else can have her.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 10:12 AM (0xqzf)


Bingo. Which, as Mr. Meade points out,will in turn lead to higher rates of human trafficking in sex workers. I'd also wager it will lead to higher rates of young women being sold into slavery by their familieswho are strapped for cashin those countries where such things are still allowed (and countries where it's not but happens anyway). Not to mention skyrocketing STD transmission. Take a look at Africa and replace it with China in fifty years.

Thanks, feminists!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at January 31, 2012 10:21 AM (4df7R)

101 so they made 13 billion....the money they made is their business and what they are in business for.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl.
.....
That is perfectly correct.

But in a free society it is also my right and anyone else's right to not buy their product and even form a protest against the practices of the company. Fuck Monty's attitude (and anyone else that buys into it) that if it is free enterprise, it is good. In my opinion it isn't. It is a sad day in America that people have to live and work in those conditions just so they can have their overpriced toys. That the libs are the ones who clamor for them most is beyond ironic.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2012 10:22 AM (f9c2L)

102 >>>Ha. I spent some time in China and people have no concept of how racist the Chinese are. They're 94% Han Chinese. I don't know if there is another country in the world that is that homogeneous.Theytend to hate the Japanese, butit's beyond their ability to understand just how similar they are to the Japanesewhen it comes to a sense of racial superiority.
Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2012 10:16 AM (wuv1c)

The Chinese have other reasons to hate the Japanese besides racism, so do the Koreans. And the Japanese are probably the most racist people in the world.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2012 10:22 AM (OlN4e)

103 boycott Apple instead because their products are for smug hipster douchebags


The pinnacle of smug hipster douchebaggery is driving around with an Apple sticker on the back of your windshield....signifying your smug hipster doughbaggeryness.

Posted by: Lady in Black....{sigh} at January 31, 2012 10:23 AM (F+Xfj)

104
@97 I was referring to the article that was linked in Monty's thread - it was talking about the "unforseen" result of on-demand abortion in countries where female babies are aborted at a higher rate than males.

Of course, China is finding out the hard way that it might not have been such a good idea to implement the "one child" policy, but sex-selective abortion is hardly confined to China.

I remember reading somewhere that there are places in India where the ratio is 117:100 boy:girl births - that's going to bite them in the ass when that generation comes of reproductive age....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 10:23 AM (0xqzf)

105 I, personally, don't understand the turn-on, but there are several who swear by them.


Posted by: AllenG
.......
Several. yeah.

Windows programmers have indeed moved to iPhone app programming for one good reason. $$ There's a fuckavalot of douchebags who will buy $2 apps for those things.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2012 10:25 AM (f9c2L)

106 It is a sad day in America that people have to live and work in those conditions just so they can have their overpriced toys.

You know who else used to "have to live and work in those conditions" and for that kind of pay? The Indians (dot, not feather). Now, because they suffered through that, and (eventually, because they saw how much more they could have) became a more free society, they're one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with one of the fastest growing standards of living.

As Monty keeps saying: the base condition of mankind is poverty and privation. It's easy for us in our relative ivory towers to say, "How dare that company force those people into such conditions," when the truth is that "such conditions" are a far cry better than what they would otherwise have.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:26 AM (8y9MW)

107 Windows programmers have indeed moved to iPhone app programming for one
good reason. $$ There's a fuckavalot of douchebags who will buy $2 apps
for those things.


I'm not talking about iPhone apps. I'm talking about enterprise-level, going to run on Windows Server, .NET applications. Used to be I'd never see a mac. Now, at most of my user group meetings, I'll see at least one or two, and often up to half of the audience. All sitting their running a Windows VM on their Mac, coding along with the rest of us.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)

108 I've said for a long time that the unnatural girl to boy ratios that result from sex-selective abortion are going to be a driving force in the next major global conflict. It may not be overt -- I don't know that anyone's going to go to war to steal women from a neighboring country anymore; that was more Genghis Khan's style -- but it will absolutely be a core factor. I suspect it will start in China, because that country is a powder keg waiting for the match that will set it aflame. Agreed. I've been saying for a while that we should keep an eye on Central Asia. There are a lot of resources available in the region that the Chinese would love to get access to if they need a way to prop up their economy. The key for the Chinese government is going to be keeping it surplus males in competition with each other out of a belief that they can be sucessful and attract one of the increasingly rarer mates, which will only happen as long as it's economy is growing.

Posted by: Alex at January 31, 2012 10:28 AM (GgXZc)

109 Overpaid
At the grunt level (GED / high school grad) most definitely. Unfortunately, those types are the ones we are most likely have to deal with in government service.
At the management and executive level (Masters / PhD), definitely *not* overpaid by comparison. Hence, the sharp ones leave for private industry with a pretty good CV. What we haveleft then is the management deficitleading the unmotivated and overpaid.

Posted by: Napoleon at January 31, 2012 10:29 AM (BvTwT)

110 How come Jon Corzine isn't in jail?

Posted by: just the facts at January 31, 2012 10:37 AM (O7ksG)

111 So if I base my theorem on only the information contained in these posts I would have to conclude all apple users are douchebags but not all douchebags are apple users.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 31, 2012 10:40 AM (rVZe/)

112 Anything coming out of China I take with a huge grain of salt

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 10:12 AM (i6RpT)


Not if I have anything to say about it.

Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at January 31, 2012 10:43 AM (lLKjJ)

113 So if I base my theorem on only the information contained in these posts
I would have to conclude all apple users are douchebags but not all
douchebags are apple users.


You might be wrong on some edge cases there, but few enough that they wouldn't be statistically significant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 31, 2012 10:43 AM (8y9MW)

114 One thing that was somewhat subtle but very, very huge overall was GWB's building of stronger ties with India. (I think there was something about giving them advanced weapon tech, nuclear perhaps as well?)

Which, of course, the JEF has totally FUBAR'ed.

I think there were actually adults in the Bush Admin who were smart enough to think beyond soundbites and the next election that were able to see that 1) India is projected to have a larger population than China by 2050 or before and 2) a friendly, capitalist ally right next door to a potentially aggressive China is worth more than the whole of the US Army. Especially, if there is a war, China and India are certain to get involved as they will be forced to defend/attack the same targets as they'll both need the resources.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 31, 2012 10:44 AM (7jkW7)

115 CNN bewailing "thousands of immigrants leaving this country in fear." Ah-yup, I'm in an airport (O'Hare) awaiting my next flight.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 31, 2012 10:45 AM (NNXoX)

116 CNN bewailing "thousands of immigrants leaving this country in fear."

Uh, sorry about that. Didn't know last night's dinner would do that to me.

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 31, 2012 10:53 AM (GBXon)

117 His products, however, have been overwhelmingly adopted by hipster douche liberals who I'd kind of like to kick in the nads.

----------

Just FYI, Rush Limbaugh is a big Apple Computer fan.

Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 10:56 AM (/0a60)

118 Maybe, but I've not heard of too many mass suicides in Mexico. Maybe it's just a news blackout...

Hard to commit suicide when you've been decapitated. Never fear, Big Sis Napolitano insists that the US/Mexico Border is safer now than it has EVER been. Rationale, dead bodies are found on either side of the line in the sand/river, not tied to "the danged fence" that never was.

Then again, financial analyst Bob Chapman included Mexico as a "good" place for Americans wishing to expatriate to relocate. Only if you already have money, and lots of it.

Ivy League Mitt's 2008 campaign speeches included "Kiss your manufacturing jobs good-bye because they are NEVER coming back to America. They're gone. Get used to it. Retrain for a good job." Good job? Highly skilled labor is not a "good" job? Fleecing the taxpayers a la Paulson and Geithner, that's "good".

Rather than highly skilled American artisans securing our own national economy through production of necessary goods with a real means of quality control, kiss productivity good-bye, "retrain" when older than age 45 for what Mitt offers as a "good job" -- enriching Mitt's investments further, at minimum wage stacking Staples shelves with goods from China, and babysitting for Bright Horizons. "Get used to it."

"Promise them anything; just get their votes." -- 2008 Mitt Romney





How would that contrast against Mitt's attack against Newt's campaign
pledges? Which candidate promises to encourage privately measured
infrastructure projects that would improve each locale's overall
standard of living while strengthening the local and national economy?




Speaking of investing in Mexico, the Romney family in Colonia Dublin was doing well
when interviewed during Mitt's lost campaign 2008. Then again, Chihuahua
Mormon colonists teaching their children to have no dealings with drug
cartels are regularly targeted, home break-ins and parents tortured in
front of families (denied gun rights in Mexico) before being dragged
toward the US Border and executed in the desert, left to rot in the sun.
How is it that the Romney polygamists stay safe, while the other
families are attacked by cartels? Evidently, Mexican Police won't live
or work or deputize in the Mormon Colonies. Meanwhile, Mitt won't
acknowledge his family relations in Dublin Colonia, Mexico. This is not
simply a politically incorrect situation to be related to practicing
polygamists, nor exemplifying indifference for suffering. Mitt couldn't
(or he would have) produce the leadership required to manage real
problems dealing with human atrocities, corrupt powers. Why would Mitt
confront himself? Mitt is the status quo, go along to get along. That he
won't acknowledge his own relatives, as if they don't exist, voters
consider well where it is that the likes of a measly voter ranks in
Mitt's estimation of what really matters in his own grand scheme.

Posted by: Panzernashorn at January 31, 2012 10:57 AM (lpWVn)

119 Citing what he calls "abysmal results" in the job training program, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., is demanding answers about how the Department of Labor awarded the grants, which were funded out of the 2009 stimulus bill.

But Assistant Secretary of Labor Jane Oates defends the initiative, saying the inspector general's audit used old numbers and that it was never designed to provide immediate results."

It's like coming to me three days after I join Weight Watchers and yelling at me because I didn't lose 62 pounds yet," she said. More recent numbers are still being compiled, Oates said.

Posted by: ShamWow at January 31, 2012 10:59 AM (e8kgV)

120 "These dumbasses who want to boycott Apple for ..."

They would go after a company with Al Gore on the board ?

Posted by: BearManPig at January 31, 2012 11:00 AM (e8kgV)

121 >>>@8 Also, don't forget that the Chinese are some of the most
xenophobic, racist and arrogant people in part because they've always
lived in a relatively closed system fed only propaganda. I mean, they
believe the only language harder to understand and learn than Chinese is
the language of the gods.


Ha.

Ha2 "always lived in a relatively closed system"
Chinese-Americans prefer their children study whatever subject from Chinese teachers, regardless of professional qualifications, because the Chinese teacher is always preferable.

Posted by: Panzernashorn at January 31, 2012 11:05 AM (lpWVn)

122 It's like coming to me three days [or any point, months] after I join Weight Watchers and
yelling at me because I didn't lose 62 pounds yet," she said. More
recent numbers are still being compiled, Oates said.

Oates joined Weight Watchers not to lose weight, only to pay homage to the idea of losing weight.

Posted by: Panzernashorn at January 31, 2012 11:08 AM (lpWVn)

123 Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at January 31, 2012 10:43 AM (lLKjJ)

Piker.

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at January 31, 2012 11:10 AM (nEUpB)

124 "and that it was never designed to provide immediate results."==========================
Which about sums up every government program ever instituted.

Posted by: Jay at January 31, 2012 11:13 AM (3LaGb)

125 #35

Focus on the winners from before 1990 or even a bit before. The guys who worked out the really important aspects of economics did most of their work in the early and middle portion of the 20th Century. Everything after that was trying to get people to pay attention and acknowledge the examples reality was providing.

After 1990 the focus went more to increasingly esoteric nonsense, such as what Krugman was lauded for. The most notable thing about it is that he wasn't always a nutjob. He was merely wrong about almost everything. There actually is a difference.

Posted by: epobirs at January 31, 2012 11:13 AM (kcfmt)

126 I've said for a long time that the unnatural girl to boy ratios that result from sex-selective abortion are going to be a driving force in the next major global conflict.
Posted by: Alex at January 31, 2012 10:28 AM (GgXZc)

Meh. Maybe. I'm not convinced. A friend of the family is a female ethnic Chinese, formerly a US citizen, who has returned to China with her husband. She says she finds most chinese men contemptible. They are so desperate to please the few women available that they make themselves utterly servile. That strikes me as defeating male aggression, not motivating it. That is also warping the female character in China, since they all know they are a valuable commodity. That feeling of superiority and control will not endear them to males collectively.
According to what I read late last year, Chinese men are importing wives from Viet Nam and other comparable hell holes. They are also going gay in record numbers. I don't think raiding for females, ala ancient tribes of the eastern steppes, is on the table.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 11:22 AM (xUM1Q)

127 Also, don't forget that the Chinese are some of the most

xenophobic, racist and arrogant people in part because they've always

lived in a relatively closed system fed only propaganda.


Anyone who thinks 'white = racist' should look at the wikipedia discussion pages for anything to do with China, Korea, and Japan. Yeowza. Those people do not like each other much, do they?

Now imagine what they think of folks even more foreign to them...

Posted by: DarkLord©, Rogue Commenter at January 31, 2012 11:25 AM (GBXon)

128 Guys, if you are trying to make me feel guilty for buying Apple stock 3 years ago, it's not working

Posted by: apple girl at January 31, 2012 11:35 AM (8E3MI)

129 "Yeah, the suicides were terrible (I haven't heard of any for quite a while, so they may have fixed whatever the problem was), but given the state of China itself, I'm not sure it wasn't just the easy way out."

They upgraded the net-work. *rimshot*

Posted by: reason at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (+hPIb)

130 With regards to the monetary riddle link; most of the townsfolk may have cleared their debts with the $100 bill but the motel owner has basically written off the cost of the room to the hooker so he hasn't come out even at all (he took the $100, which came back to him to pay for a room and then gave it back to the rich traveller). How in the world does that help?

Posted by: Russtovich at January 31, 2012 11:43 AM (TKUnt)

131 But that doesn't equate to more jobs, because robots
and computers are doing most of the fabricating these days.




Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM


Then on Sept 7 2014, Skynet becomes self-aware and unionizes all the machines .....

Posted by: Terminator T-800 at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

132 An interesting thing about the supposed suicide rate at Foxconn, Apple's main contract manufacturer. (They also assemble Xbox 360s for Microsoft and quite a few other well known products.)

The number spoken of when the story first broke was 18 workers having taken their own lives. This was out of approximately 1 million employees.

http://tinyurl.com/3cusfc

According to this, the suicide per 100,000 Chinese citizens was 22.

So, Foxconn's employees were offing themselves at less than 10% of the rate for just living in China.

Posted by: epobirs at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (kcfmt)

133 131 But that doesn't equate to more jobs, because robots and computers are doing most of the fabricating these days. Posted by: Monty at January 31, 2012 09:28 AM Then on Sept 7 2014, Skynet becomes self-aware and unionizes all the machines .....
Posted by: Terminator T-800 at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (Y+DPZ)
Would never happen. SkyNet wants the machines to actually continue to work.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (DrWcr)

134 CNN bewailing "thousands of immigrants leaving this country in fear."

Leaving in fear, yes. But of course, CNN won't tell you what that fear is, and will let you reach the intended conclusion on your own that it is fear of TEH GOP.
I'd argue that the fear is a fear that all of the "invisible" jobs are drying up. Case in point, the Villa Reasonova. We used to have a cleaning lady of hispanic ancestry and unquestioned citizenship status. We could no longer afford her rates as of a few years ago, because buying gas to take the kids to school and me to work was a higher priority than dusted baseboards. I imagine, over the years, her client-list lost more than JUST US.
So, again, fear? Yes. Of what? Undetected cash-only jobs not being worth the effort or risk anymore.
Then again, I am conservative, and have been bear-maced at attended a few Tea Party events. So, you know, me == evil.

Posted by: reason at January 31, 2012 11:51 AM (+hPIb)

135 Fuck Monty's attitude (and anyone else that buys into it) that if it is free enterprise, it is good.

Decaf.

BTW, it's not so much Monty as Reactionary who was promoting to point that seems to annoy you so greatly.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (PMGbu)

136 Then on Sept 7 2014, Skynet becomes self-aware and unionizes all the machines .....

I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't open the pod bay doors for you.
You see, it's 2:45, and I am on my mandatory idle-process for the next 15 minutes. I will also advise you against manually forcing open the bathroom-bay doors, as well, for then I shall be required to file a grievance report which will result in a lengthy investigat--
Daisy, Daisy...

Posted by: HAL, Local 9000 at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (+hPIb)

137 So what will happen to male/female numbers when the Japanese get the sexbot industry up and running?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (lgw0N)

138 Forgot the quotation marks in the previous response. The first sentence is Chi-Town Jerry's...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 31, 2012 11:58 AM (PMGbu)

139 She says she finds most chinese men contemptible. They are so desperate to please the few women available that they make themselves utterly servile. That strikes me as defeating male aggression, not motivating it. That is also warping the female character in China, since they all know they are a valuable commodity. That feeling of superiority and control will not endear them to males collectively.

Exactly what the world needed. An entire country full of AllahPundits and Pam Gellars.
ZING!

Posted by: HAL, Local 9000 at January 31, 2012 11:59 AM (+hPIb)

140 Monty, if keeping entitlements stable involves people working longer and longer so they pay more in and have less time to draw on them, then how does that impact youth employment? My lack of knowledge coupled with what common sense I have tells me "pretty badly." This seems to be particularly true if retirees take more and more of the entry-level jobs (i.e., newspaper routes, stocking store shelves) that I did in junior high and high school.

I didn't get rich doing those jobs. But I was able to open my first savings account when I was 11, pay for part of my college, and learn a little bit about the value of money and work. I can't say that no one among the young and unemployed will learn the virtues that make free enterprise possible. But my guess is that it will take many of them longer to do so.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at January 31, 2012 12:16 PM (lHRQT)

141 #140

I'm not too worried about that for several reasons.

First, a declining number of youths. Youth employment numbers are awful today but those same percentages when I was a teenager probably would have lead to a lot of crime from sheer boredom.

Second, they're generally not competing for the same jobs. The older workers have lots of knowledge and experience but declining physical capacity, while the youth have physical capacity and little else to offer without training.

Plus the oldsters will likely look to stay in the field they already know and have some seniority in. Those guys who came out of retirement to fix their old COBOL programs for Y2K would never have retired in a later generation. (I know about a dozen guys who had their retirements rescued by fantastic Y2K payouts, almost as if they planned it.) They might work fewer hours but they're in no danger of being replaced by teenagers. Those same teenagers looking to code for money are likely to pursue very different venues.

For manual labor the teenagers face more of a challenge from illegal alien labor that will work for below minimum wage, locking out the teens. Minimum wage is one of those wretched devices that make politicians feel good but make unskilled laborers go on food stamps.

Groups competing for the same jobs will always be a problem but it's fairly low on the list of DOOM factors, I believe.

Posted by: epobirs at January 31, 2012 12:49 PM (kcfmt)

142 So what will happen to male/female numbers when the Japanese get the sexbot industry up and running?
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (lgw0N)

The bigger question is - who'll have time to care? I figure the invention of the fembot would be like the invention of the holodeck (star trek) or the matrix. Society would end, almost immediately.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2012 01:16 PM (xUM1Q)

143 @100

... Take a look at Africa and replace it with China in fifty years.

Thanks, feminists!

I'm going to second what HeatherRadish said - hard to blame China's current mores on feminism.


However, modern feminism does mean that the entire Western world has minimal standing to criticize that behavior. National shame was used to attack Chinese footbinding as barbaric and "un-modern".

That strategy doesn't work on sex-selective abortions in China given what we do in the US.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 31, 2012 02:58 PM (v3pYe)

144 www.genset-china.com

Posted by: kadin at February 02, 2012 12:06 AM (2HMCV)






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