"It Was Legal After All:" Gingrich's $300,000 Fine & Reprimand Turned Out To Be Over Behavior Later Found To Be Completely Legal By the IRS

I don't understand why he'd confess to any wrongdoing, then.

With the charges against Gingrich megaphoned in the press, Gingrich and Republicans were under intense pressure to end the ordeal. In January, 1997, Gingrich agreed to make a limited confession of wrongdoing in which he pleaded guilty to the previously unknown offense of failing to seek sufficiently detailed advice from a tax lawyer before proceeding with the course. (Gingrich had in fact sought advice from two such lawyers in relation to the course.) Gingrich also admitted that he had provided "inaccurate, incomplete, and unreliable" information to Ethics Committee investigators. That "inaccurate" information was Gingrich's contention that the course was not political -- a claim Cole and the committee did not accept, but the IRS later would.

In return for those admissions, the House reprimanded Gingrich and levied an unprecedented $300,000 fine. The size of the penalty was not so much about the misdeed itself but the fact that the Speaker was involved in it.

Why did Gingrich admit wrongdoing? "The atmosphere at the time was so rancorous, partisan, and personal that everyone, including Newt, was desperately seeking a way to end the whole thing," Gingrich attorney Jan Baran told me in 1999. "He was admitting to whatever he could to get the case over with."

If you read further, you'll see the IRS completely vindicated him (and went further than "we can't prove our case;" they deemed the courses non-political and therefore proper). So I don't understand why Gingrich would then admit to lesser charges. This wasn't a slap on the wrist; this was a $300,000 fine -- "unprecedented" at the time.

Eh.

Meanwhile, Pelosi continues her "I've got a secret about Newt" song and dance.

Gingrich just responded:

"[laughing] Who knows. Who knows. She lives in a San Francisco environment of very strange fantasies and very strange understandings of reality. I have no idea what's in Nancy Pelosi's head. If she knows something, I have a simple challenge: Spit it out."

I'll just go ahead and tell you my speculation/worry: Someone forwarded some unrelated trash to the Democrats, and Gingrich copped falsely to the stated (false) charges to make it all go away. And that's what Pelosi is sitting there grinning like an idiot about.


Posted by: Ace at 10:24 AM



Comments

1 The skeleton in the closet must be ALIVE!!!!1111111!!1!1 Pelosi could save the Un ion!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 25, 2012 10:26 AM (71LDo)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:27 AM (8y9MW)

3 I'll say it again, ace: it was political. He stepped down "in disgrace" rather than drag the GOP through the mud. Mostly that was out of a hope (now at least partially realized) that he could revive his political career. If he'd stayed in and fought it, it would have been "Seriousness of the charge," all day long, and he would have wound up a veritable pariah- still out of the House, and then with no hope of resurrecting his career (since he's not a Democrat).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:29 AM (8y9MW)

4 Tell me again how big was the fine Chris Dodd paid?

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 25, 2012 10:29 AM (SDkq3)

5 So I don't understand why Gingrich would then admit to lesser charges. This wasn't a slap on the wrist; this was a $300,000 fine -- "unprecedented" at the time.
He did it for the same reason Palin resigned as governor -- to just stop the harassment.

Posted by: church at January 25, 2012 10:30 AM (IGBp1)

6 You can't fool me. I heard Nancy Pelosi say on the radio this morning that she "knows" things about Newt. That's enuff for me!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2012 10:31 AM (f9c2L)

7 I don't now if you recall those days but the Democrat noise machine was turned up to 11. Gingrich brought ethics charges against the Democrat Speaker Wright who I believe was defeated before he could be tried. So the Dems went after Newt with everything. Everything. Newt pled to make it stop. He wasn't a rich guy and he couldn't afford it.

It happens.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:31 AM (Fw2Gg)

8 3 I'll say it again, ace: it was political. He stepped down "in disgrace" rather than drag the GOP through the mud. Mostly that was out of a hope (now at least partially realized) that he could revive his political career. If he'd stayed in and fought it, it would have been "Seriousness of the charge," all day long, and he would have wound up a veritable pariah- still out of the House, and then with no hope of resurrecting his career (since he's not a Democrat).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:29 AM (8y9MW)

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This, x10,000

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at January 25, 2012 10:32 AM (4df7R)

9 I agree with Allen G. Additionally, he was in the middle of his second divorce at that time. I'm sure he didn't want that dragged into the news coverage of his speakership.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 10:32 AM (9N3G1)

10 He did it because he knew he did not have the support of his own party members in the House. There's only one reason Republicans would allow Newt to go down for something that was not really wrong. They knew he had done worse, at least in their eyes. Is there been a single House member who worked with Newt who's backing his Presidential bid.

Posted by: Rocks at January 25, 2012 10:34 AM (Q1lie)

11 You know what's really depressing? This whole thing wouldn't have ever happened, and the Repubs may have held on to the legislature for longer than a few years, if fricking COOTER from The Dukes of Hazzard wasn't a crybaby little bitch who didn't like being redistricted out of his House seat.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at January 25, 2012 10:34 AM (4df7R)

12 Nancy Pelosi is far more corrupt with her insider trading deals having to do with credit cards. She and her family have enriched themselves to the max off of her power. She should be frogmarched to jail in an orange jump suit.

Posted by: whatever at January 25, 2012 10:35 AM (O7ksG)

13 His resignation was not because of the ethics charges. Not directly. The 98 elections did not go so well and lots of the House Republicans blamed Newts personal unpopularity. He was the Sarah Palin of the 90s. They were not going to reelect him speaker so he stepped down not only from the Speakership but his House seat, too.

Georgians elected Cooter from Dukes of Hazzard to replace him. Really.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:36 AM (Fw2Gg)

14 Biding my time. Avenge me!

Posted by: Tom Delay at January 25, 2012 10:36 AM (4q5tP)

15 We take over the Senate, POTUS, and keep the house the Democrat noise machine will go from "howl" to "shriek". So the Republicans need to get primed for all out war in the media, with the media in the bag for the commies, of course.

Posted by: maddogg at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (OlN4e)

16 >>>I'll say it again, ace: it was political. He stepped down "in disgrace" rather than drag the GOP through the mud.

he confessed falsely as a favor to the disloyal republicans betraying him?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (nj1bB)

17
Newt: "I have a simple challenge: Spit it out."

heheheh

Newt just challenged Nancy Pelosi to spill the beans.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (sqkOB)

18 Shouldn't someone tell the Romneyites, before they embarrass themselves?

Posted by: franksalterego at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (9XykO)

19 he stepped down 2 years later ...

Posted by: JeffC at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (A3tpD)

20
I've often wondered why Republicans so often fall on their swords while the Democrats brazen it out until the heat dies down.

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:38 AM (Nov7L)

21 >>>He did it for the same reason Palin resigned as governor -- to just stop the harassment.

A curious pattern is evolving with our Fighter candidates, then.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:38 AM (nj1bB)

22 @16

No ace he didn't. The plea and the resignation were unrelated.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:38 AM (Fw2Gg)

23 I'm willing to bet the DNC or Clintons have a massive Gingrich file.
He's a bombshell waiting to explode.

Anyone remember when two old people "accidently" recorded several of Newt Gingrich's cell phone conversations?
Yeah, I'm guessing most of his phone calls were tapped and anything he did between 1994-2000 were closely monitored by Clinton's cronies.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2012 10:38 AM (wuv1c)

24
>>>"...he confessed falsely as a favor to the disloyal republicans betraying him?"

That's the size of it, apparently. Crazy, I know. Inexplicable, even.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:39 AM (sqkOB)

25 Being a historian for Freddie Mac was also legal.

Fact is the House voted 395 to 28.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 25, 2012 10:39 AM (fuUYY)

26 Ethics sanctions were in 97 he stepped down in 99.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:40 AM (Fw2Gg)

27 it is not just that, or him cheating on not one, but two wives, or the hypocrisy of participating in clinton impeachment, while carrying on an affair, it is his constant effort to undermine fellow
republicans, that made people turn him out of congress; he
is a dirtbag, a snake and a con artist. what's really infuriating is he
keeps invoking reagan, while he was the guy obstructing him on key
policy issues

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2012 10:40 AM (WR5xI)

28 Deep withinour corrupt, inept and unprofessional pro-democrat media, the threshold for corruption is differentfor democrats and republicans.
Corrupt democrats are allowed to be as corrupt as necessary. After all, it's for the common good. Andrea Mitchell, Diane Saywer, Stephenoplois and the rest all *wink* understand.

Posted by: whatever at January 25, 2012 10:40 AM (O7ksG)

29 Arp! Arp! Arp-arp arp arp. Arp arp. Arp!

Posted by: The seals got the poop on Newt at January 25, 2012 10:40 AM (xT8PE)

30 Hmm, let's see. The House GOP that isn't supporting him now are the same ones who were elected on a limited government platform and proceeded to run up the entitlement mentality. People like Joe Scarborough.

The last significant entitlement reform was welfare, which did happen on Newt's watch.

But these are the folks we are going to trust to tell us to get in a line and vote for Mitt.

Really?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 10:41 AM (RI0fC)

31
Ya know, Nancy Peebrain wouldn't be shootin off her big fuckin plastic mouth right now if the Republicans exposed her travel scandal and pursued ethics charges.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:41 AM (sqkOB)

32 I have no idea what's in Nancy Pelosi's head. If she knows something, I have a simple challenge: Spit it out."

****
Nancy spits. Heh.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 10:41 AM (4q5tP)

33
I thought the $300,000 was to cover the cost of the legal fees.
Andyes, Jim Wright resigned as Speaker of the House - I had forgotten about Newt being around at that time (it's been a while, and I've been busy raising a family....)
Of course, back then, all anyone ever got was the media spin on everything - most folks didn't have an opportunity to hear both sides of the story.
The Internet has been a bright light in that regard.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 25, 2012 10:41 AM (0xqzf)

34 The $300,000 "fine" had nothing to do with the IRS. It was repayment for services that Newt "stole" under the rules of the House.

Newt used his staff to help prepare material for a college course he was giving while Speaker. This is not allowed under House rules so he had to repay the costs.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 25, 2012 10:41 AM (e8kgV)

35 @21 ace what is curious about fighter candidates is that rest of the party hangs them out to dry. Dems supported Weiner until the day he resigned. Go figure.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (Fw2Gg)

36 This is january 1997, ace. The first failed coup against him didnt happen before july 1997. if I remember that correctly.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (1ZoqB)

37
We have ways of making Democrats not talk, is what I'm saying.


Democrats feel bold enough to say shit like this because they know there will be no repercussions.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (sqkOB)

38 Nancy just won't give up that gavel. She still thinks she's the most powerful woman in the world and will stop at NOTHING to keep that power.

She knows nothing else. TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (UK9cE)

39 >>>No ace he didn't. The plea and the resignation were unrelated.

well not really and yes I know they were two years apart. but alleng postulated he did this as a favor the the Faint Hearts of the party, who were already plotting coups against him, and would later demand his resignation.

Why so generous towards them?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (nj1bB)

40 I wrote it off at the time as payback for making a stink about Slick Willy getting his willy wet. Then read some more, years later and it seemed pretty tame -- probably 'officially' a violation but nothing which elicited more then a hearty yawn.

As for Pelosi -- she's wheeling the three story tall Trojan Horse out to influence the Republican primary.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (phlKA)

41 Have you ever heard of a liberal getting in trouble for using a college course to spread liberal ideas?

Can you even imagine such a thing?

Every left-wing professor would be in jail right now if that was a crime.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (GKUy2)

42 Two days in a row, Ace before noon. You ok, boss?

Posted by: Truman North at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (I2LwF)

43 I'll just go ahead and tell you my speculation/worry:
While difficult to recall, the atmosphere at the time was over the top insane 24/7 HATE for Gingrich...he opted for the "make it end" strategy as most would in those circumstances...but let the conspiracy theorist go at it. Don't know how the man could be more clear...Pelosi's a fool (FACT)...spit it out bitch!

Posted by: ABO at January 25, 2012 10:43 AM (MbeEN)

44 17 Why would I do that? It's so much more difficult to fight innuendo. I hated sitting on that couch with you, you putz!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2012 10:43 AM (mjR67)

45 The last significant entitlement reform was welfare, which did happen on Newt's watch.
The criticism of Newt isn't meant to be on behalf of Mitt. Mitt just happens to be the only other real candidate in the race. (let's face it, Santorum and Paul have no shot).

So when people point out Newt is a bad candidate with a sketchy record and the potential to implode, it doesn't mean they're excited about Romney or attacking on behalf of Romney.
I think it's fair to say that every here(with a few exceptions) would love to have anyone other than Romney. But people like me just can't bring themselves to jump on the Newt bandwagon just yet.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2012 10:43 AM (wuv1c)

46 If you are a Romney fan-

the internals of the latest Quinnipiac poll-are not good for your candidate.

Romney is in some real trouble.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (r2PLg)

47
"Yeah, I'm guessing most of his phone calls were tapped and anything he did between 1994-2000 were closely monitored by Clinton's cronies."

Wouldn't illegal tapping have to be investigated and someone charged?

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (Nov7L)

48 Avennnnnnnnnnge me!

Posted by: Tom Delay at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (4q5tP)

49 "There's only one reason Republicans would allow Newt to go down for something that was not really wrong"

Yeah: because Republicans are spineless dicks who never stick up for their own.

"he confessed falsely as a favor to the disloyal republicans betraying him?"

Are you deliberately missing what I'm saying, ace?
Not "as a favor to the disloyal republicans," as a tactic whereby he might revive his political career one day.

If you take that out of the equassion: if he knew then, for a certainty, that he would never again be in a position of political power- then I think you get him fighting the charges- because he has nothing of value (to him) to lose.

He didn't know that (and, it turns out- it wouldn't have been true), so he decided to take it on the chin then, so that he could one day (as it turns out: now) have a viable political career.

This has nothing to do with the other Republicans beyond the simple fact that Republicans virtually never defend their own- and weren't going to start with Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:45 AM (8y9MW)

50 @39. Realize you were responding to alleng but simply he got it wrong. Gingrich did it to make the pain stop.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:45 AM (Fw2Gg)

51 @25 so, in spite of the fact that he was exonerated, because the house voted for the fine (after he copped to lesser charges), he's somehow still guilty?

And since he was evidently so hated in Washington, who was he peddling influence to?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 10:45 AM (3Jpmv)

52 17

Newt: "I have a simple challenge: Spit it out."

heheheh

Newt just challenged Nancy Pelosi to spill the beans.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:37 AM (sqkOB)
I did spit it out you troll. You didn't think I was going to swallow did you???
The real news is that he has a very small unit...

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2012 10:45 AM (3jGS1)

53 Wouldn't illegal tapping have to be investigated and someone charged?
Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (Nov7L)

I'll get right on it with our top men.

Posted by: Eric Holder at January 25, 2012 10:46 AM (4q5tP)

54
>>>>I've often wondered why Republicans so often fall on their swords while the Democrats brazen it out until the heat dies down.<<<<

A sense of honor; the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few; you know - all of those things that Democrats claim to espouse.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 25, 2012 10:46 AM (0xqzf)

55 The first sentence in my lost comment was meant to be in italics, but the formatting doesn't seem to work.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2012 10:46 AM (wuv1c)

56 Vice President Joe Biden defended President Barack Obama's State of the
Union message calling for greater economic fairness, calling statements
by Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich accusing Obama of
promoting food stamps "ridiculous."



Joe also said that he hates food stamps because every time he puts them on a letter the post office returns it to him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2012 10:46 AM (1Jaio)

57 -->And that's what Pelosi is sitting there grinning like an idiot about.

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I hate to break it to you but the idiot grin was surgically implanted.

Posted by: really ... at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (X3lox)

58 @47. Actually the calls were of John Boehner. And it went to court but what do you know wiretapping is not illegal if you are a Democrat.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (Fw2Gg)

59 I remember a Saturday Night Live sketch with Newt and Livingston sitting in a bar, both commiserating about how they just lost their jobs because of having affairs.

Then Clinton walks out of the bathroom with two bimbos on his arms, gives them both a hearty laugh and wave, and strolls out of the bar.

It was one of those sketches that really gets at the truth.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (RI0fC)

60 Wouldn't illegal tapping have to be investigated and someone charged?

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (Nov7L)
Not if you are a democrat...

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (3jGS1)

61 >>> ace what is curious about fighter candidates is that rest of the party hangs them out to dry. Dems supported Weiner until the day he resigned. Go figure.

Let's ignore that Palin did what she was accused of doing in the serious charge against her (demanding a trooper fire a subordinate due to a family squabble).

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (nj1bB)

62 Sistah can't touch me. 'Cause I got a killer-diller coat with a drape shape, reet pleats and shoulders padded like a lunatic's cell... can you dig it?

>twirls watch chain<

Posted by: Newt in a Zoot Suit at January 25, 2012 10:47 AM (xT8PE)

63 @10 Is there been a single House member who worked with Newt who's backing his Presidential bid.

Yes. They include Bob Walker of Ohio, who was part of Newt/s first leadership group, and helped implement the Contract With America. If you're referring to Boehner, and also a couple of the other dudes who have been all over the media traducing Gingrich, remember, these people were part of the cabal who worked to shove Gingrich out and replace him with Denny Hastert. Everybody loved good old Denny, who beamed and shook hands while the Democrats went out and convinced the nation that "there was a culture of corruption" in the House, thus paving the way for the Democrat majority in 2006 - 2010. What goes round comes round, or something.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at January 25, 2012 10:48 AM (S3rrR)

64 @61. You sure?

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:48 AM (Fw2Gg)

65 >>Two days in a row, Ace before noon. You ok, boss?

I stayed up all night sunday night to get back on a human cycle.

headed out, though, this afternoon, to buy a suck-ass cheap car to replace the suck-ass cheap car that died.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:49 AM (nj1bB)

66 -->I've often wondered why Republicans so often fall on their swords while the Democrats brazen it out until the heat dies down.

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Because Dems can shit on cop cars in public and Republicans can't say the word "shit", or even the personal possessive "mah-caca".

Posted by: really ... at January 25, 2012 10:49 AM (X3lox)

67 At this point, I'm leaning all-in for Gingrich. What the hell? Hey, he at least DID some conservative things back in the day. Perry and Barbour ain't walking through that door folks. And remember, this election is about OBAMA. I could give a rat's ass about what Gingrich did 20 years ago... or even 2 years ago. What Obama is doing now is killing us.

Posted by: dmm at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (4WiB4)

68 Isn't what Nancy is doing kinda illegal? I mean, she's holding something over Newt's head that she has already admitted came from those ethics hearings that she can't use.

Isn't she really possibly sacrificing her career to keep Newt out of the candidacy?

Should she use the info from the hearings, she should be held accountable, according to the LAW, no?

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (UK9cE)

69 "Nancy spits. Heh."

AHHHHHHHHH!

*jabs ice pick into frontal lobe*

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (ZKzrr)

70 He stepped down for political reasons, but since there was an active investigation, he wrapped in the bow of an admission. I can certainly understand someone not being able to predict how the IRS was going to ultimately rule on something, particularly after there had been such a political feeding frenzy.


Look, the guy is not Mister Perfect, but I seriously doubt Romney is either. And if Romney keeps pushing for the release of the House report, then Gingrich should start asking about all of those hard drives (and data) that the governor's staff took with them and why they'd want aging hard drives.

I thought we were all decided that as we hit final approach we were not going to damage our remaining candidates any further or give the Democrats more ammo?

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (5H6zj)

71 "I think it's fair to say that every here(with a few exceptions) would
love to have anyone other than Romney. But people like me just can't
bring themselves to jump on the Newt bandwagon just yet."

I'm with you, I just have to be on a faster schedule than many others. I have to vote in 6 days. A week ago I thought I would vote for Mitt, but I'm 95% sure it will be Newt.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (RI0fC)

72
Denny Hastert as Speaker was the perfect compliment to Bush as president.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (sqkOB)

73 Here's my problem: When I ask questions I'm really not looking for spin. I'm asking what you think. Not to give me the spin you plan on giving other people to shape their opinions.

The spin I'm getting about Nobel Newt is just hacky.

And it's not even what I'm asking for.

Can we put aside the spin and bullshit?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (nj1bB)

74 It is kind of funny to me how people who decry the spinelessness of Republicans in general, and the bias of the MFM often seem to think that Politicians are unaware of both of those things and couldn't possibly make decisions based on them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (8y9MW)

75 Should she use the info from the hearings, she should be held accountable, according to the LAW, no?


Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (UK9cE)
Silly rabbit, these things called "laws" don't apply if you are a democrat. Get with the program...

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (3jGS1)

76 I think it's funny the request for the House report. Newt says its all online go look.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (Fw2Gg)

77 Doesn't matter, since Soros has bought the off-term elections of Secretaries of State and shoved cash in the incumbent SoS's way who were Dems, there is not any way that the actual numbers are going to be reported in this election. Maybe in a few decades, but probably not even then. We've already lost the election and the Republic.

It doesn't matter how you vote when there's a Democrat reporting the totals they prefer.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (K1qrq)

78 I have a copy of that "other" taping session of us on the couch.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, Spillin' Beans and Makin' Greens at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (+hPIb)

79 Can we put aside the spin and bullshit?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (nj1bB)

What's left then ace??

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (3jGS1)

80 On it's face the Quinnipiac poll doesn't look too bad for Romney-but here is the problem:

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From January 19 - 23, Quinnipiac University surveyed 601 Republican likely primary voters with a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points. The survey includes 254 voters surveyed January 19 - 21, before South Carolina results were announced, with a margin of error of +/- 6.2 percent, and 347 voters surveyed January 22 - 23, after the South Carolina results, with a margin of error of +/- 5.3 percent. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

*********************************

Two days of the Florida Quinnipiac poll were taken after the South Carolina results-that looks worse for Romney.

Another weird phenomena happens-Newt's favorables rise in that time period and Mitt's favorable falls.

One of those differentials is really something the Romney campaign better notice....

Newt's favorable's post South Carolina primary in Florida jumped up from-

54% to 66%.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

81 This cunt also said the Dems would win the 2010 elections.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 25, 2012 10:52 AM (785Er)

82 A curious pattern is evolving with our Fighter candidates, then.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:38 AM (nj1bB)


As I understand it, both cases are fought and paid for with TAX money, correct? You don't think that these two individuals actually CONSCIOUSLY chose not to waist even MORE tax money than they already do, do you?

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (UK9cE)

83 I do not believe that Newt gigrich is a self-sacrficing, The Needs of the Many Outweigh The Needs of the Few Or the One type of guy.

I don't believe you believe it either.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (nj1bB)

84 Make a tape of some fat intern chick recounting her kneepad sessions with the Prez and see what it gets you. I hate crabby Maryland state prosecutors.

Posted by: Linda Tripp at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (4q5tP)

85 Christine? Half Newtarootie.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, Spillin' Beans and Makin' Greens at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (+hPIb)

86 So Nancy Pelosi slept with Newt and filmed it? That's what it looks like. Of course, almost no one would ever see it since everyone would put their eyes out first. Like Ann Coulter and whatever lefty douche she was screwing.

Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (w+PM8)

87 #72. Too true, unfortunately.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (S3rrR)

88 >>> You don't think that these two individuals actually CONSCIOUSLY chose not to waist even MORE tax money than they already do, do you?

Totally. I totally believe Palin and Gingrich are so selfless that they give up their own ambitions to save the state some tax money.

Because I'll believe anything.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (nj1bB)

89 Actually it's not weird that's Newt's favorable's went up after the SC primary-it's surprising by how much...

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (r2PLg)

90 "This has nothing to do with the other Republicans beyond the simple fact
that Republicans virtually never defend their own- and weren't going to
start with Newt Gingrich."

Truth.

Let's all remember how the current debacle started. Tom Foley just before the 2006 midterms. You think Weiner just before the 2012 election would have the effect?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (RI0fC)

91 I'm gonna report Ace to the EEOC for discriminating against Italicans.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (7+pP9)

92 True. Newt is definately not Spock. He'd have tossed everyone into the Genesis so he could have said, "Told ya so".

Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (w+PM8)

93 84
Make a tape of some fat intern chick recounting her kneepad sessions
with the Prez and see what it gets you. I hate crabby Maryland state
prosecutors.

Posted by: Linda Tripp at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (4q5tP)

Yeah and you can thank us for the whole "both parties must consent to being recorded" thing...It's kept our democrat asses out of prison for 40 years.

Posted by: Crooked-assed MD Politicians at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (3jGS1)

94 Newt is in it for Newt. But Newt in it for Newt is probably preferable to Mitt in it for Mitt, and is definitely favorable to Barack in it for Barack.

Posted by: Truman North at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (I2LwF)

95 <i>As I understand it, both cases are fought and paid for with TAX money, correct?</i>

I'm pretty sure in Sarah Palins case she had to 'out of pocket' her own legal fees as an individual. Not sure about Newt.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (phlKA)

96 BTW, something interesting I discovered yesterday while poking around at Bain's site (I was curious about Bain's use of "consultants" since it's apparently such a big deal now that Newt worked for Freddie/Fannie). Bain's main lobbying firm has Bill Paxon as its principal. He is one of the group of congressmen who decided to oust Newt. He is also married to current congresswoman Molinari. So if there are leaks from the House, I wouldn't just look to the Democrat side of things.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (5H6zj)

97 >Can we put aside the spin and bullshit?<

I GOT NOWHERE ELSE TA GO!!!

Posted by: MSM at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (xT8PE)

98 "Isn't she really possibly sacrificing her career to keep Newt out of the candidacy?"

No. She's a Democrat. That's like Teflon to Ethics Complaints.
Which is kind of the point of this post.

"The spin I'm getting about Nobel Newt is just hacky."

I think you mean "Noble" Newt, there.
And I'm not suggesting any noble motive at all, Ace: I'm suggesting he did it out of a sense of pure pragmatism. He saw the writing on the wall- he wasn't going to get out the situation unscathed- no matter how false the allegations. So, better to accept the fine (and, eventually, resign- and, yes, I'm pretty sure it was all 'pay-back' of some form or other for the Contract and Impeachment- and the aftermath of both), than to fight a losing battle and waste all that political capital.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:56 AM (8y9MW)

99
Newt resigned because of the affair(s).

Clinton was regaining popularity; the economy was booming; and Newt was becoming more unpopular by the day. Newt was about to be exposed as a lout and a cad; the Republicans told him to screw.

That's how I remember it.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 10:56 AM (sqkOB)

100 Totally. I totally believe Palin and Gingrich are
so selfless that they give up their own ambitions to save the state some
tax money.



Because I'll believe anything.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (nj1bB)

Wasn't the problem with Palin that she had to pay out of her pocket, not the state and she resigned to end the harassment but also to keep from going bankrupt.

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 10:56 AM (3jGS1)

101 headed out, though, this afternoon, to buy a suck-ass cheap car to replace the suck-ass cheap car that died.

*********

Hmmmm.....

how about not "suck-ass" like Ford Focus?

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (r2PLg)

102
"Actually the calls were of John Boehner. And it went to court but what do you know wiretapping is not illegal if you are a Democrat."

And it seems as if nothing is illegal for Democrats. It must be heavenly to be beloved of gods.

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (EFlH3)

103 73 Here's my problem: When I ask questions I'm really not looking for spin. I'm asking what you think. Not to give me the spin you plan on giving other people to shape their opinions. The spin I'm getting about Nobel Newt is just hacky. And it's not even what I'm asking for. Can we put aside the spin and bullshit?
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (nj1bB)
Brace yourself. Many of them have gone all in for Newt because they hate Romney with such weird vigor. They were actually bashing Rubio in support of Newt yesterday. Seems like Newt has found the Kookaid distribution mechanism.

Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (w+PM8)

104 Let's all remember how the current debacle started.
Tom Foley just before the 2006 midterms. You think Weiner just before
the 2012 election would have the effect?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 10:54 AM (RI0fC)
---------------------------------
The current debacle started with the GOP's attempt to ram Shamnesty down America's throat, by hook or by crook ... a handful of times, over and over, and called us all heartless bigots for not being happy to throw America away like that. Then, the despised champion of killing American sovereignty ended up as the GOP candidate. That was it ... until the Tea Party came along and resuscitated the GOP, which immediately turned around and kicked the Tea Party in the balls ... over and over.

Posted by: really ... at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (X3lox)

105 headed out, though, this afternoon, to buy a suck-ass cheap car to replace the suck-ass cheap car that died.
Whatever they're gonna up-charge you for premium rouged hobo-leather seats...will be TOTALLY WORTH IT.

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (+hPIb)

106 @90 because the GoP don't know how to play this game. They did not press Weiner. They should have made him the face of the Party because he was. Dems loved him. Had they had that as a base Wu in a tiger suit would have been icing on the cake. But no they played nice.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (Fw2Gg)

107 i googled "what is pelosi's secret about newt" and there was a link to an article that newt is transgendered and hid his "male pregnancy from his wife"..........

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 25, 2012 10:57 AM (mfbqu)

108 I'm sure some other morons can recommend other non-suck-ass cheap cars...

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:58 AM (r2PLg)

109 >>>i googled "what is pelosi's secret about newt" and there was a link to an article that newt is transgendered and hid his "male pregnancy from his wife"..........

See, that right there is what I've always suspected.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:58 AM (nj1bB)

110 I do not believe that Newt gigrich is a self-sacrficing, The Needs of
the Many Outweigh The Needs of the Few Or the One type of guy.

I don't believe it either. I'm suggesting he was thinking that discretion was the better part of valor, there. That, indeed, he could "run away" to "live to fight another day."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 10:58 AM (8y9MW)

111 newt should get his money back with interest.........

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (mfbqu)

112 108
I'm sure some other morons can recommend other non-suck-ass cheap cars...



Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 10:58 AM (r2PLg)

I hear Volts are great. Works as a grill too!!

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (3jGS1)

113 I wouldn't put anything past this vicious bitch.

She's as dangerous as a rabid dog.

Posted by: franksalterego at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (9XykO)

114 <i> I'm sure some other morons can recommend other non-suck-ass cheap cars...</i>

Two words... cash for clunkers

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (phlKA)

115 "Hey, he at least DID some conservative things back in the day."

did he now...like when he called Reagan's meeting with Gorby the most dangerous summit in the west since Hitler met with Neville Chamberlain in 1938 ? or when he teamed up with teddy kennedy to denounce reagan policies to stop soviet expansion ? those kind of conservative things ?






Posted by: runner at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (WR5xI)

116
Ace,
To me it is very obvious why he admitted to wrongdoing. The dems likely said this would continue through the elections and that they would keep this ongoing. They also likely bargained with him trying to get him to admit wrongdoing because they knew it would be the beginning of the end for him.
Newt likely thought about it and decided that $300,000 wasn't that much money for him in the long run and that it would be best for his party to admit to the false charges and move on. I would guess there is video from back then that would show Newt interviewing saying that he would be exonerated by the iRS.

Posted by: doug at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (gUGI6)

117 Newt is not self-sacrificing. He made a political calculation and, guess what, it worked. He's now got a decent shot at the GOP nomination.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:00 AM (5H6zj)

118
Georgians elected Cooter from Dukes of Hazzard to replace him. Really.
Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:36 AM (Fw2Gg)

SLANDER! District 6 was never in danger of controll by that Boss Hogg minon.
After Newt was Johny Isakson (who parleyed the house seat into a Senate seat). And after him was Tom Price (who has fought the good fight against Obamacare).

Posted by: Warthog at January 25, 2012 11:00 AM (WDySP)

119 ace, Newt could sacrifice his career in 1999 to save it in 2012.

It could have nothing to do with sacrificing for the GOP.

Based on what the GOP has done since 1999 I would not hold doing that against Newt at all.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:01 AM (3uiM5)

120 I hear Volts are great. Works as a grill too!!
Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 10:59 AM (3jGS1)


*****


LOL! Damn it people-he's not looking to sell hot dogs on the street curbs..

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:01 AM (r2PLg)

121 Susan Molinari is no longer a congresswoman. Hasn't been for some time, since 1997.
Bill is a great guy. I was incredibly impressed with him during a fundraiser at my/his church.

Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 11:01 AM (w+PM8)

122 Can we put aside the spin and bullshit?



Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:51 AM (nj1bB)

I'm guessing that all we have are opinions as none of us were there, involved in the investigations nor personal close confidants of Newt, so you're gonna get what you're getting.

What did you expect? Someone here actually KNOWS exactly what Newt was thinking at the time?

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 11:02 AM (UK9cE)

123 Is ace looking for noble self-sacrifice in a candidate? Because I'm not, which is a damned good thing because none of them are noble. None of them.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:02 AM (5H6zj)

124 http://abcn.ws/pelosi-cunt

December 5th 2011

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi now says she is not sitting on a
trove of opposition research on former House Speaker-turned-GOP
presidential candidate Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:02 AM (6c2Vl)

125 Just saw Newt on fox it was pretty ugly. Laughed off his problems like a 5 year old getting caught doing something and then attacked Romney for having money in the Caymans, acted like he was too stupid to know what a blind trust is and said Romney had very questionable dealings a Bain.
This after Rubio had to call Gingrich out for calling Romney "the most anti immigrant presidential candidat" in history on Spanish Language Radio.
Newt is sounding more and more like an OWSer. If Pelosi has anything she will hold it as long as she can because the Dems have to be loving this crap. Newts making all their talking points for them.

Posted by: robtr at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (MtwBb)

126 Is there been a single House member who worked with Newt who's backing his Presidential bid.

Stop swiftboating me!

Posted by: Newton Kerry at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (YXmuI)

127 No I think he's looking for noble self sacrifice in a car....

Chevy Volt!

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (r2PLg)

128 Meanwhile, can Mrs. StarKist Tuna stock1 get on with it, and drop her load about Newt? The suspense is killing us, obviously.

1 a/k/a Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (S3rrR)

129 @83 Newt resigned because of his cheatin' heart.

Why did he agree to the charges? Either a) he was getting pressure from both sides to admit he did something wrong or b) he thought he did something wrong.

One of the charges - that he didn't consult with a lawyer before starting the course - is apparently bogus. He consulted with two lawyers.

So why did he agree that he didn't? Only Newt knows.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (3Jpmv)

130 vanity url from bit.ly

http://abcn.ws/pelosi-cunt

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (6c2Vl)

131 @21 ace what is curious about fighter candidates is
that rest of the party hangs them out to dry. Dems supported Weiner
until the day he resigned. Go figure.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 10:42 AM (Fw2Gg)
********************Exactly. Repuke party central just goes about their dipshit business of drycleaning togas without a second thought about Newt, Palin or Delay; just to name three. And we wonder why nobody wants to step up and run for President when these fucking twats will turn their backs on them when things get rough? Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (yowgW)

132 @118. Doh you got me. Cooter ran unsuccessfully against Newt in 94

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (Fw2Gg)

133 Like Ann Coulter...
That wasn't just any lefty douche.
That was BILL MAHER she was letting dork her in the squeakhole.

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (+hPIb)

134 "and that it would be best for his party to admit to the false charges and move on"

No, I don't think "best for his party" entered into it. At least, not until after he'd already figured out he was going to lose that fight. Even then, I don't think he was thinking, "Gee, I'll sacrifice myself for the party," as much as he was thinking, "Well, I can fight and lose, and damage the party- which will pretty much make me a pariah among Republicans, or I can 'admit' to this false charge, take whatever they throw at me- thereby insulating the party which gives me a chance for a come-back."

He would have been doing what was "best for his party" because it served his ultimate end, not just because it was "best for his party."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (8y9MW)

135 I do not believe that Newt gigrich is a self-sacrficing, The Needs of the Many Outweigh The Needs of the Few Or the One type of guy. I don't believe you believe it either.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM
This x100. What Newt wants, Newt goes for no matter what. He is a politician first and foremost. He stepped down and paidbecause he had to, period. And I noticed even though he keeps telling Pelosi to go ahead, he doesn't say there is nothing there. He plays around with phrases like "Who knows." I don't like any of these candidates but if we want to beat Obama we have to look at all of them as objectively as possible.

Posted by: Deanna at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (vzlGN)

136 Is Cooter free as a presidential candidate?

Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (w+PM8)

137 The reason Gingrich admitted guilt is simple: once the Media accuse you of something, and they don't like you, you are guilty of that forever more, no matter what inconvenient "facts" may state. Every narrative about Gingrich would contain the now-disproven charge, without bothering to note the "disproven" bit.

Unlike how, say, every story on Ted Kennedy had to contain Chappaquidick references.

That's how it works. You're forever guilty as a Republican, and forever innocent as a Democrat.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (i0App)

138 "Tom Foley just before the 2006 midterms."

Mark Foley. Lamest "sex" scandal ever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (ZKzrr)

139 If big story opposition research is going to appear, I think it's going to come from Glenn Beck, he is that deranged about Newt.

Posted by: jeannebodine at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (byR8d)

140 The Romney campaign has to be______


the internals of that Quinnipiac poll....

Wake the Hell up Romney!

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (r2PLg)

141 You're right. Molinari is a lobbyist and journalist now. My mistake.

Yesterday there was much concern over Newt's qualifications to advice Fannie/Freddie. It would be nice to see equal concern over the lobbyists and advisors close to Mitt. Just sayin'.

Acting like Mitt is not connected to the same group of politicians and ex-politicians that Newt is part of is ridiculous. Acting like just the fact that Newt worked for Fannie/Freddie means that he must be crooked - or more crooked than the others - is childish.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (5H6zj)

142 >>> Is ace looking for noble self-sacrifice in a candidate?

No I just think it's hacky to keep saying things like, "Newt, long known for his selflessness and putting others before himself and his own ego, selflessly admitted fault in order to assist the House members who were plotting coups against him and would finally eject him two years later..."

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (nj1bB)

143 It's the same reason Nixon was more patriotic than Clinton: Nixon stepped down rather than drag the country through an impeachment. This, despite the fact that the one charge for which Nixon would have been impeached--asking someone if the IRS could be employed to harrass someone--was one of the things Bill Clinton actually did.
So we're supposed to select our candidates based on what Nancy Pelosi thinks she knows? I think not. Bring it on Botox-bitch! Newt will gut you like a carp. (Metaphorically, of course.)

Posted by: -Shawn- at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (EzHDg)

144 129
@83 Newt resigned because of his cheatin' heart.



Why did he agree to the charges? Either a) he was getting pressure
from both sides to admit he did something wrong or b) he thought he did
something wrong.



One of the charges - that he didn't consult with a lawyer before
starting the course - is apparently bogus. He consulted with two
lawyers.



So why did he agree that he didn't? Only Newt knows.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 11:03 AM (3Jpmv)

who among us would roll the dice with the IRS?Agreeing to a charge of "failure to seek legal advice" is hardly a smoking gun...

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (6c2Vl)

145 suckass cheap cars?

there are some really great options in the compact category now! you can get a small cheap car that honestly doesn't suck

focus is great; am still loving my elantra

Posted by: BlackOrchidHeartlessAgain at January 25, 2012 11:06 AM (SB0V2)

146 I'm pretty sure in Sarah Palins case she had to 'out of pocket' her own legal fees as an individual. Not sure about Newt.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 25, 2012 10:55 AM (phlKA)


So, Sarah Palin is just a selfish bitch that chose not to spend ridiculous amounts of personal money that she may or may not have had on lawyers to fight off largely false accusations?

Well, that makes perfect sense.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2012 11:06 AM (UK9cE)

147 >>>>I do not believe that Newt gigrich is a self-sacrficing, The Needs of the Many Outweigh The Needs of the Few Or the One type of guy.

I don't believe you believe it either.Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:53 AM (nj1bB)<<<<Didn't mean for it to sound that way - I was just talking in generalities.And I'm not sure that it would apply to someone who had been in a position for a long time, either - people in general will do whatever they think it takes to "survive", even in the case of a job.I do know that I, personally, have changed over the years - I understand the concept of "doing for the many" at the cost of doing what I want. Do I think that Gingrich was doing that back then? I don't know, but I'm willing to hear both sides of the story.Do I think that he will do that now? I also don't know - but he does seem to have turned a corner since he started attending church. Sometimes it does take that epiphanal moment to change a person.I'm willing to wait and see what falls out - I'm not thrilled with either Mitt or Newt, but they are the two most viable candidates left, and I'm not ready to crown Mitt the winner just yet.I'm like you - Perry was my choice. But he isn't in the race any more, so it is what it is.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (0xqzf)

148 CNN of all networks actually reported this 13 fucking years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpBBRUCMd8

Why is this an issue now?

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (3jGS1)

149 @129. People plea to things they didn't do all the time. It doesn't work the way they show on Law and Order. The state has all the resources in the world. Individuals don't.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (Fw2Gg)

150 No I just think it's hacky to keep saying things like, "Newt, long known for his selflessness and putting others before himself and his own ego, selflessly admitted fault in order to assist the House members who were plotting coups against him and would finally eject him two years later..."
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (nj1bB)

Yes, it is hacky to say that.

It also hacky to imply that is all you are hearing.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (3uiM5)

151
If Newt has Piglosi this scared then he has my vote.
And why are we once again talking about Palin? Is she running?
Concentrate on getting the SCOAMF out of the White house and nothing else

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (mFxQX)

152 If Ace doesn't understand why Gingrich "took a plea" to 1 out of 84 charges after he had done nothing wrong, then he wasn't paying attention to the news from 1995 to 1997...10,000+ media references in 6 months??!!

This article by Byron York is must-reading, it is a window to the past that the media & other Newt-haters are trying to distort/pervert. Kudos to Byron York for setting the record straight.

BTW, if you saw Newt's beautiful smile as Fox interviewed him about Pelosi's "threats" a few minutes ago, you saw a glimpse of why we like him. Newt: "If she knows something, the should say it. If she knows nothing, she should be quiet. I'd rather be threatened by Nancy Pelosi than endorsed by her."

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 25, 2012 11:07 AM (hRH92)

153 In case nobody's mentioned it yet, Mark Levin said Noot agreed with the ethics charges because his accountant said he was tapped out on funds to defend himself.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (yowgW)

154 I stayed up all night sunday night to get back on a human cycle. headed out, though, this afternoon, to buy a suck-ass cheap car to replace the suck-ass cheap car that died.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 10:49 AM (nj1bB)
Ace, I understand GM is offering some really great deals on new Volts!

Posted by: maddogg at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (OlN4e)

155 am still loving my elantra

*****

Yep, I've owned both of those cars- 31/2 years the Focus-no problems, the Elantra for about five years-no problems-well this inflate tire warning light that won't go off-but that's it.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (r2PLg)

156 It would be great if Nancy started a good old fashioned shit flinging fight with Newt. I'm sure he's got as much on her as she has on him, and there's always the possibility the shit could splatter further than either of them anticipate. Best way to get rid of the literally hundreds of career hacks in the House is for them to all start ratting on each other. Quicker and more fun than term limits.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (hiMsy)

157 I am amazed that people actually think it was unwise to go ahead and admit to something that ultimately did not kill his career rather than stand there and deny deny deny when you have the IRS as the final arbiter of your guilt. You guys are good. If the IRS were after me, I'd find the easiest way out.

And now the big bad thing about Newt is that he was vindicated. But WHY? Oh he must still be guilty even though he wasn't because what he said/did looks guilty.

Well it looks friggin' guilty as shit to take your hard drives when you leave office.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:09 AM (5H6zj)

158 We as Conservatives reflexively try to find some semblance of truth in what these scumbags say time and again because it's what we do and they know it.


These are the postmodernist Big Liars.
Pelosi just puts this out there for the MFM to float some air under for a while and it does its damage to an already admittedly flawed candidate.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2012 11:09 AM (ZJCDy)

159 No I just think it's hacky to keep saying things
like, "Newt, long known for his selflessness and putting others before
himself and his own ego, selflessly admitted fault in order to assist
the House members who were plotting coups against him and would finally
eject him two years later..."

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2012 11:05 AM (nj1bB)
------------------------------Look, it's simple. Newt is an historian. The world's best paid historian, but an historian. His motivation is how he will look in the history books of the future. Often, that leads to actions very much in sync with conservativism and the health of the GOP, but not always. However, it IS always the main consideration motivating Newt's decisions and actions.That's how I see it, at least. He admitted to ethics charges to help the party because he thought that the continued strength of the GOP in the coming decades would always include his name for the big restart after the post-Reagan decay.

Posted by: really ... at January 25, 2012 11:09 AM (X3lox)

160 @142 ace you have slain the straw man. He isn't getting back up.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:10 AM (Fw2Gg)

161 You know that "party of lemons" picture that was all the rage back on the internets?
Newt took that picture.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, the metaphorical equivalent of the love child between TMZ and Politico at January 25, 2012 11:11 AM (+hPIb)

162 Heh, I just read Byron York's analysis.

"The IRS also checked out the evaluations written by students who
completed the course. The overwhelming majority of students, according
to the report, believed that Gingrich knew his material, was an
interesting speaker, and was open to alternate points of view."

At least Newt can find students that took a class from him. Something we are still waiting for from Obama.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:12 AM (RI0fC)

163 I support Newt because he is the most Conservative candidate who can win.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:13 AM (3uiM5)

164 Ace, I understand GM is offering some really great deals on new Volts!
Posted by: maddogg at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (OlN4e)

@ Firesale prices, even. Too good to pass up.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 11:13 AM (4q5tP)

165 He admitted to ethics charges to help the party because he thought that
the continued strength of the GOP in the coming decades would always
include his name for the big restart after the post-Reagan decay.
--------
^This.

When people say he did it to help the Party I think most of them know that by helping the Party, Newt knew he was helping himself.

Maybe the Romney supporters should go back to calling Newt old, fat, and ugly. You were getting real traction with that argument.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:13 AM (5H6zj)

166 136 Is Cooter free as a presidential candidate?
Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2012 11:04 AM (w+PM


second look at Cooter?

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 25, 2012 11:13 AM (qjUnn)

167 Snark from Jonah Goldberg about the distinction between Newt opponents and Newt supporters:

Newt opponents: “He’ll destroy Washington!”

Newt supporters: “He’ll destroy Washington!”






Posted by: WalrusRex at January 25, 2012 11:14 AM (Hx5uv)

168 >>headed out, though, this afternoon, to buy a suck-ass cheap car to replace the suck-ass cheap car that died.

I'll hit the tip jar when I get a chance, that way you can buy a suck ass car with awesome flame decals on it.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2012 11:14 AM (wuv1c)

169
btw, in case you're wondering how the Left's slander of Tim Thomas is progressing:

It has evolved from
"Tim Thomas dissed the president" to
"Tim Thomas doesn't hate all those millions of dollars he makes in America, does he?" to
"If Tim Thomas hates the government so much, why did he play for the US hockey team two years ago?" to
"If Tim Thomas hates America, why doesn't he leave?"

Dissent. It means you hate America.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 11:14 AM (sqkOB)

170 Ace, I understand GM is offering some really great deals on new Volts! Posted by: maddogg at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (OlN4e) @ Firesale prices, even. Too good to pass up.
----
I hear Obama negotiated a deal to resell them through Cabella's, in the outdoor cooking equipment section of the catalog.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 11:14 AM (mf67L)

171 With the charges against Gingrich megaphoned in the press, Gingrich and Republicans were under intense pressure to end the ordeal.
Political harassment. No fair shot.Sometimes you just getbeat up for no reason and you need it to stop.

Posted by: Z Ryan at January 25, 2012 11:14 AM (U9NWP)

172 "Is Cooter free...?"

Where an average Moron's eyes stop reading.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)

173 Newt opponents: “He’ll destroy Washington!” Newt supporters: “He’ll destroy Washington!”
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So true.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 11:15 AM (mf67L)

174 Look...


Have you Newt fans seriously considered what the MSM is going to do with that Frank Luntz interview ?

How they are going to fill in all the blanks, and the back story?


It's going to be really, really bad.

I don't know how you spin that.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:15 AM (r2PLg)

175 Put aside spin and bullsit?

Okay. Career politicians are just below personal injury lawyers and paparazzi on the food chain. At least the lawyers get you something after taking a huge cut. Paparazzi photographs can sometimes be entertaining.

The only difference between politicians no matter what letter comes after their name is the amount of lube the use while you're bent over grabbing your ankles.

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at January 25, 2012 11:15 AM (B0iFF)

176 It was on Niel Boortz yesterday. According to him this $300,000 was not a fine at all. It was levied against him by the commision investigating him to recoup the government's costs for the dog and pony show.
And according to Niel, Newt asked the republican members of the commision to vote the way they did in order to end the charade.
That is all.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (JSetw)

177 None of this matters. Facts don't matter. Truth doesn't matter. What matters is that if Newt is the nominee, every single liberal in the country will be able to say "Newt had to resign because of ethics charges!" eighty-four times every hour until the election. Including the liberals who run television networks and newspapers.

The left has a preturnatural ability to turn politics into a series of bumper-sticker slogans. Conservative bumper stickers have to be six pages long to explain the truth.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (lrvnD)

178 During the general election.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (r2PLg)

179 I have a bad feeling about this--about Newt. The only prez to win re-election with Hussein's poll numbers is Dick Nixon -- because the Dems nominated an unelectable candidate.

McGovern 1972 = Newt 2012. IS THERE NO ONE ELSE ?????

Posted by: Lenny Bruce / Leonard Alfred Schneider at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (UqKQV)

180 the Elantra for about five years-no problems-well this inflate tire warning light that won't go off-but that's it.
May I suggest a 0.5" square of black electrical tape?

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (q/kmn)

181 "People plea to things they didn't do all the time. It doesn't work the
way they show on Law and Order. The state has all the resources in the
world. Individuals don't."

Also true. My son accepted a plea deal that resulted in a year of drug rehab, despite being innocent and having no evidence against him. It was the cheapest way out of the situation. It was also pretty easy for him to pass the weekly drug tests.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (RI0fC)

182 Or you could keep calling Mitt's detractors weird. Because it's so obviously obvious that a one term governor who is credited by Obama with helping launch Obamacare is the ideal guy to run this year.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:16 AM (5H6zj)

183 Where an average Moron's eyes stop reading.
Because we all know the answer is "NO."

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (q/kmn)

184 Depending on how cheapass but there are lots of good cars available for affordable prices. Buy Japanese. In NYC get a Corolla or Sentra or Mazda 3 or if you are cheaper than that get a Mitsubishi Eclipse. Get a non turbo it won't be beat on.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (Fw2Gg)

185 "When the Swallows return to Capistrano..."

Posted by: San Fran Nan at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (z0NF0)

186 Newt's favorable's post South Carolina primary in Florida jumped up from-
54% to 66%.


I'd prefer that this hadn't happened, but when numbers move this much, this quickly, it often means it's noise rather than signal. At least that's my hope.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (YXmuI)

187 QUITTER!!!!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (3U4ek)

188 NOT BULL SHIT SPIN?

Do you not agree/understand that the MFM was in full rape/pillary mode and the DEMS loved "having Gingrich to kick around". The R establishment most likely said we can't stand this anymore so he left. The MFM/DEMS actually use this play all the time...who do we hate today?

Posted by: ABO at January 25, 2012 11:18 AM (MbeEN)

189 Speaking of noble-

I think I'd rather defend Mormonism during the general as opposed to...

the alternative.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:18 AM (r2PLg)

190 "Have you Newt fans seriously considered what the MSM is going to do with that Frank Luntz interview ?"

No. Or, rather, yes, and then we discarded it.

You're acting like they'll treat Mittens with kid-gloves. Forget it, the MFM is going to excoriate and crucify our candidate no matter who it is- and Mitt has far more nebulous things to assault (which makes them harder to defend). So, no, I'm not basing my choice on whether or not the MFM is going to be hard on our guy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 11:18 AM (8y9MW)

191
"suckass cheap cars?"

I've had my Focus for three years and I love it.

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 11:18 AM (EFlH3)

192 Someone needs to take Nancy to the vet and have her put down.

Can you imagine the crazy if Nancy and Luap Nor were allowed to breed with each other?

Things that make you go asjkldh;hsagjkhdui.

Posted by: mpfs at January 25, 2012 11:19 AM (iYbLN)

193 "The atmosphere at the time was so rancorous, partisan, and personal
that everyone, including Newt, was desperately seeking a way to end the
whole thing," Gingrich attorney Jan Baran told me in 1999. "He was
admitting to whatever he could to get the case over with."


So, imagine President Gingrich accused of some bullshit scandal... what will he admit to, just "get the case over with"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2012 11:19 AM (yhsUT)

194 If facts don't matter, Mitt's path to victory should be a breeze.

Except that he has kindly provided the media with plenty of clips and documents showing that he has been on both sides of most issues in his short four year political career.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:19 AM (5H6zj)

195 The 2012 Chevy Volt: No flame decals required.

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:20 AM (q/kmn)

196 Oh, and btw- Boortz went into detail about how Newt insisted on paying the commision's levy out of his own pocket. And described the hissy fit the donks threw when Newt asked Bob Dole to front him the money.
Really. This is all.
Period.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at January 25, 2012 11:20 AM (cqZXM)

197 "It's the same reason Nixon was more patriotic than Clinton: Nixon stepped down rather than drag the country through an impeachment. "
Nixon was also framed by Mitchell and that bastard Dean.
Or maybe not.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 11:20 AM (kaOJx)

198 172 "Is Cooter free...?"

Where an average Moron's eyes stop reading.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Team Meteor. Now with Cheesecake at January 25, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)


Cooter may be free but it will take a generous donation to convince Cooter to jump in.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 25, 2012 11:20 AM (qjUnn)

199 <So, imagine President Gingrich accused of some bullshit scandal... what will he admit to, just "get the case over with"?>
Well that make his VP pick very important then I guess.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2012 11:21 AM (tf9Ne)

200

Clinton was regaining popularity; the economy was booming; and Newt was becoming more unpopular by the day. Newt was about to be exposed as a lout and a cad; the Republicans told him to screw.<<<

That's exactly why he resigned. Rightly or wrongly, Newt went from Speaker to fucking radioactive back then. The party shunned him.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2012 11:21 AM (PFvlM)

201 I'd prefer that this hadn't happened, but when numbers move this much, this quickly, it often means it's noise rather than signal. At least that's my hope.
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2012 11:17 AM (YXmuI)


******

Possible.

It's weird when did Quinnipiac stop publishing the regional differences inside Florida.

They use to publish the results from the Panhandle, Central Florida, and other regions-I didn't see that this time.

I'm going to take a look at the other formats-maybe they have the regional break down in there.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:21 AM (r2PLg)

202 67 At this point, I'm leaning all-in for Gingrich. What the hell? Hey, he at least DID some conservative things back in the day. Perry and Barbour ain't walking through that door folks. And remember, this election is about OBAMA. I could give a rat's ass about what Gingrich did 20 years ago... or even 2 years ago. What Obama is doing now is killing us.
Posted by: dmm at January 25, 2012 10:50 AM (4WiB4)
If you think that this election will be about OBAMA with Newt fucking' Gingrich as the nominee, you are woefully, pathetically mistaken.
But whatever, I guess Newt is supposed to be the best candidate, or something, because he barks at Brian Williams, and we all know that's the only thing that matters. Demagoguery and bromides.

Posted by: Vyceroy at January 25, 2012 11:21 AM (6yHgW)

203 So in the end, Newt did nothing wrong?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 25, 2012 11:21 AM (Sh42X)

204
Ben "Cooter" Jones is a Democrat.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (sqkOB)

205 we are shopping for a car for our kids right now......it's between a honda or a volkswagen

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (mfbqu)

206 I don't understand why he'd confess to any wrongdoing, then.

Really? You are an attorney and you claim to not understand this?

The IRS investigation involves criminal and civil charges - where there is at least a modicum of due process involved.

The House complaint is an ethics charge - it is an entirely political matter. There is no single recognized standard of guilt, it is whatever they decide it is.

Never mind that history is full of incidents where innocent people chose to plead to lesser criminal or civil charges to avoid the total risk and ruin of a fight against a more serious charge.

He was offered a deal and he took it to avoid the greater risk.

Posted by: ThomasD at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (9yHeH)

207 "Dissent. It means you hate America."

Depends on who is president.

(If links worked, I'd have Hillary-rolled y'all. Thank, pixy.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (ZKzrr)

208
Gopher Smith was a Republican.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (sqkOB)

209 " The only prez to win re-election with Hussein's poll numbers is Dick Nixon -- because the Dems nominated an unelectable candidate."

Actually, Grandpa was just that awesome.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (kaOJx)

210 So "Newt the fighter" just resigned to get his supposedly false ethics charges dropped? I see that makes sense.

Posted by: robtr at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (MtwBb)

211 174

Luntz, Luntz.
Hmmm.

Doesn't he have the Dodge dealership on the expressway?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (Qxdfp)

212 Well, Mitt ran for Governor in MA for our sins. And he selflessly passed the mandate to prevent a single payer system.

And he didn't run for reelection because that would have been selfish of him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (3Jpmv)

213 @189
I'd rather defend the candidate who I think will actually fight and win a couple of victories for me.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (5H6zj)

214 Isn't it odd that Pelosi is saying this NOW, surely this should be reserved for the general for the good of her party?

OTOH that doesn't square with the AFCSME sp? union running anti-Romney ads in Florida.

Unless the Dems main strategy is to foment division in the GOP in hopes of having a split off to a 3rd party candidate in the general.

Posted by: Palerider at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (FBj6Z)

215 That ain't her style anymore. One crazy cross-country flight in her Gulfstream, a bottle of white zin, and an Alanis Morisette CD on repeat, and I changed her ways for good.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Shultz at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (q/kmn)

216 Sonny Bono was a Republican.

Posted by: Truman North at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (I2LwF)

217 Interesting comment from Boehner:











"I have no idea what she's referring to. But it's Nancy Pelosi. Who knows?"



(http://tinyurl.com/7vjqsgl)

Posted by: M80B at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (d6QMz)

218 Actually, Nancy Pelosi should be immediately arrested for blackmail.

She's helpfully admitted to it by doing it in public.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (T0NGe)

219 See? I can add shit to this debate too!

Posted by: Truman North at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (I2LwF)

220 Remember the Chandra Levy guy, and how he resigned over an intern he didn't kill?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (3Jpmv)

221 At the time when Palin was Governor of Alaska, the ethics law, which I believe she signed into law, allowed ANYBODY (even from out of state) to raise an ethics charge. In addition, there was no provision for the government to pay for counsel of high-level officials, so she was hit with dozens of frivolous complaints.

Each complaint required her to spend her own money to defend, while the state had to spend money to investigate. Since the law didn't allow one to set up a defense fund, an effort to create one was considered in violation.

Once she was looking at $500K in legal expenses, with new charges continuing to come in, she decided it was time to resign. Her resignation meant she could set up a defense fund, and eventually, all charges were dismissed (IIRC,) except for the violation of the defense fund.

After she left office, the State of AK changed the ethics law to allow for state funded counsel, plus a few other changes.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (OL4L4)

222
I'm pretty sure Bo Duke is a Republican.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (sqkOB)

223 That was in response to "Can you imagine the crazy if Nancy and Luap Nor were allowed to breed with each other?" by the way.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Shultz at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (q/kmn)

224 Lassie was a Republican.

Posted by: Truman North at January 25, 2012 11:25 AM (I2LwF)

225 @210. NO. He pled to a lesser ethics charge. Two years later he resigned.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:25 AM (Fw2Gg)

226 OT. Brit humor humour:

I was devastated to find out my wife was having an affair but, by
turning to religion, I was soon able to come to terms with the whole
thing. I converted to Islam, and we're stoning her in the morning.

The wife suggested I get myself one of those penis enlargers, so I did.....
she's 21 and her name's Lucy.

Went to the pub with my girlfriend last night. Locals were shouting "pedophile" and other names at me, just because
my girlfriend is 21 and I'm 50. It completely spoiled our 10th anniversary.

The thing I love most about this hot weather is the short skirts and low cut tops.... although, they do make me look a bit gay.

Following
the tragic death of the Human Cannonball at the Kent Show, a spokesman
said "We'll struggle to get another man of the same calibre."

My
son was thrown out of school today for letting a girl in his class give
him a hand-job. I said "Son, that's 3 schools this year. You'd better
stop before you're banned from teaching altogether."

Q: What's the difference between a blonde and a brick?
A: The brick doesn't follow you home after you lay it.

Remember
the 7 qualities for the perfect girlfriend...Beautiful, Intelligent,
Gentle, Thoughtful, Innocent, Trustworthy, Sensible. Or in other
words.........
B.I.G.T.I.T.S.

Just
been to the gym. They've got a new machine in. Only used it for half an
hour, as I started to feel sick. It's great though. It does everything -
KitKats, Mars Bars, Snickers, Potato Crisps, the
lot.."

Question - Are there too many immigrants in Britain ?
17% said yes; 11% said No; 72% said "I am not understanding the question please."

On my Census form there is a question "Do you have any dependents?"
Apparently
putting "Hundreds of Africans, Pakistanis, Somalians, single mums,
Romanians, loafers, smack heads, and non-English speaking people" isn't
the right answer. They've sent my form back.

Prince
William says he doesn't want the traditional fruit cake at his wedding.
Prince Phillip says he doesn't give a toss, he's still attending.

The cost of living has now gotten so bad that my wife is having sex with me because she can't afford batteries.

Some
bastard's just pinched a pair of my wife's Undies off the washing line.
She's not bothered about the Undies but she wants the 12 clothes pins
back.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 25, 2012 11:25 AM (Hx5uv)

227 "Pelosi just puts this out there for the MFM to float some air under for a while and it does its damage to an already admittedly flawed candidate.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2012 11:09 AM (ZJCDy)"As you say,she probably thought: there's no downside here.

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 11:25 AM (EFlH3)

228 @212
*golf clap*

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:26 AM (5H6zj)

229 Except that he has kindly provided the media with plenty of clips and
documents showing that he has been on both sides of most issues in his
short four year political career. [i/]

Well, for the sake of argument, let's accept your premise. In the last 3 years, Obama flip-flopped on pretty much everything he said prior to the election. Everything.

At least Mitt can then say, "I may have flop-flopped on some things, but at least I was competent at executing them."

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2012 11:27 AM (YXmuI)

230 we are shopping for a car for our kids right now......it's between a honda or a volkswagen
Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 25, 2012 11:22 AM (mfbqu)

Recently bought an '05 Mustang for college bound daughter. Insurance rates were surprisingly in the middle. Mazda 3 and Chevy Cobalt were at the peak. Nissan Altima and Maxima were near the bottom.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 11:27 AM (4q5tP)

231 Argghhhh. , not [i/]

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2012 11:27 AM (YXmuI)

232 "So in the end, Newt did nothing wrong?"

He's Newt Gingrinch. That is his crime. That is also his punishment.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:27 AM (ZKzrr)

233 I'd rather defend the candidate who I think will actually fight and win a couple of victories for me.
Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (5H6zj)

**********

Well the big dance is the general, winning is well, what it is-everything.


You're that confident you can sell Newt Gingrich outside of the Republican primary voter?

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:28 AM (r2PLg)

234 OK. We're getting no where.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:28 AM (5H6zj)

235 She knows Newt's safe word.
Palomino!

Posted by: PalinFan at January 25, 2012 11:28 AM (otN9L)

236 Romney now slamming Newt for criticizing the media...I kid you not!!!
http://bit.ly/wNEBAE

Posted by: ABO at January 25, 2012 11:29 AM (MbeEN)

237 Insurance companies know that the 'Stang is gonna drop it's engine like compos mentis*all overthe freeway before it ever gets up to "danger speed."


*nobody will get that

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:30 AM (q/kmn)

238 231
Argghhhh2. , not [i/]. This is why I didn't become a programmer. Well, that and the fact that I wanted a social life.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2012 11:30 AM (YXmuI)

239 Y-not, but we're making excellent time!

Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:30 AM (q/kmn)

240 "If you think that this election will be about OBAMA with Newt fucking'
Gingrich as the nominee, you are woefully, pathetically mistaken."

Possibly the dumbest thing I've read.

This election will be all about Obama, period. No one on the GOP side, not Mitt, not Newt, not Rick, not even crazy Uncle Ron is responsible for this current disaster.

"You know honey, I haven't had a job in 3 years and I'm paying over $50 for a tank of gas to go buy groceries that cost twice what they used to. But dang it, this Newt guy is just so MEAN. I'm going to vote for Obama, cause you know at least we don't live in North Korea"

Bullshit.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (RI0fC)

241 Romney now slamming Newt for criticizing the media...I kid you not!!!
http://bit.ly/wNEBAE

*****

Oh gawd!

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (r2PLg)

242 "You're that confident you can sell Newt Gingrich outside of the Republican primary voter?"
Maybe. Romney isn't apparently able to sell himself to Republican Primery voters. Maybe Newt can do better?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (kaOJx)

243 Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 25,
2012 11:22 AM (mfbqu)

Which model VW?...Honda?

Posted by: billygoat at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (GsBJY)

244 Its as simple as the Repubs telling Newt in 97 to cop to some charges or he won't be Speaker anymore. Pretty much everyone knew the charges were some trumped up shit as payback for Jim Wright, but with MSM and weak kneed Repubs you get what you get.

Then in 99 the Repubs telling Newt adios when his affair became public. They had to do that because the Clinton crap.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (yhJsm)

245 236
Romney now slamming Newt for criticizing the media...I kid you not!!!
http://bit.ly/wNEBAE


Posted by: ABO at January 25, 2012 11:29 AM (MbeEN)



allow me to dust of this old Marine chestnut...Don't fear the enemy for he can only kill you; fear the media for they can steal your reputation.

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:32 AM (6c2Vl)

246 But I always grin like an idiot

Posted by: Nazi Pelosi at January 25, 2012 11:32 AM (VxqUc)

247 I have ended my mourning period for Rick Perry's candidacy. [No, I don't adapt to change well or quickly.] Newt's looking good for a rebound vote in the Primaries.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 11:32 AM (4q5tP)

248 Wow...Romney is tone deaf-or something.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:33 AM (r2PLg)

249 #245 looked much better before I posted it.

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:33 AM (6c2Vl)

250 No, tasker, I'm not confident. I have not been confident about any of these guys, even Perry.

You know who's been confident? The Mitt supporters, particularly his pals in the chattering classes. Being confident doesn't mean a hill of beans, apparently, if recent polling is any indication.

I am confident that Newt is a better messenger for core conservative principles than Mitt and I am confident that he would be more effective in the White House. I think they both will need a lot of turd-polishing to be elected. I think they both will be subjected to unfair attacks. I think they both will be demonized in the general. But honestly when Romney has been attacked and I've been able to see how he responds to those attacks I have not been impressed.

I'd rather pull on the oars for the S.S. Gingrich than the S.S. Romney.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:33 AM (5H6zj)

251 "You're that confident you can sell Newt Gingrich outside of the Republican primary voter?"

I think a lot of us don't think Mitt is an easy sell either, and that we are going to need to make that sale given the blinding incompetence of the incumbent.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:33 AM (RI0fC)

252 I don't understand why he'd confess to any wrongdoing, then.

If you think the truth is found in every trip to court you don't understand the serious flaws in our justice system. I figure Newt figured, the IRS was going to do whatever was needed to make him go away.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 25, 2012 11:34 AM (0q2P7)

253 "You're that confident you can sell Newt Gingrich outside of the Republican primary voter?"
Maybe. Romney isn't apparently able to sell himself to Republican Primery voters. Maybe Newt can do better?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (kaOJx)

*******

Dick-which way are you going?

I remember you as being almost as much for Perry -as I was...

Oh man this sucks.

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:34 AM (r2PLg)

254 He stepped down AFTER the 300,000 "fine" (that was for reimbursement of investigation costs that Newt giving supposedly incorrect information about his college course funding caused.)

Newt left the speakership and the House after the affair came out and after the elections lost the republicans some ground. Before that he was found innocent on all 84 counts against him. (And that acquittal was reported In the middle of the last paragraph of the last page on section G of the newspaper...very very quietly.)

Posted by: cackfinger at January 25, 2012 11:35 AM (a9mQu)

255 220
Remember the Chandra Levy guy, and how he resigned over an intern he didn't kill?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2012 11:24 AM (3Jpmv)

He also lied about his relationship with her until cell phone triangulation put him at her apartment. So while he may not have killed her, he kept the lie about the relationship going until the evidence proved he was there.


Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:35 AM (6c2Vl)

256 Wouldn't illegal tapping have to be investigated and someone charged?
Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 10:44 AM (Nov7L)

Only when ordered by a Republican or some of his cabinet members.

Remember: Abu Ghraid - order by Bush and overseen by Rumsfeld.

Operation F&F: What? Who ordered that? None of US have any knowledge of it. Ok, well some of us do but we didn't make the connection...

Posted by: blindside at January 25, 2012 11:35 AM (x7g7t)

257 While it is entirely true that Gingrich might have done all this -- incriminate himself, his name and pay a steep $300,000 fine -- in an act of supreme altruism as he now is trying to claim, these traits would manifest themselves in other actions, decisions.

I just see no evidence for this from the man whose rational in divorcing his first wife was "Jackie can’t run uphill" as he stated to Dolores Adamson, a staff assistant, "which she
took to mean that his wife was overweight and ill, not a plus
for an aspiring national politician." (http://tinyurl.com/btawhcp).

I'm sorry, but character counts, and the type of man who leaves two wives while they are undergoing hardships (diagnosed cancer/benign tumor and MS) for other women isn't the type of many who just relinquishes power for the good of the cause or because it's time to move on.

These are entirely different psychological profiles.

Newt Gingrich is no Cinncinnatus, regardless of what he claims.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 11:36 AM (447Af)

258 You're that confident you can sell Newt Gingrich outside of the Republican primary voter?
Nope but selling Romney won't be easy either. This whole "He's electable!!!" meme has been floated without, and expected to be accepted without question, absent any real evidence to support it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 25, 2012 11:36 AM (0q2P7)

259 Mitt criticizing Newt for criticizing the media? You have to be fucking kidding me.

See this is the problem, Mitt can't even figure out how to win the votes of people WHO WANT TO BE GIVEN A REASON TO VOTE FOR HIM!

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:36 AM (RI0fC)

260 Insurance companies know that the 'Stang is gonna drop it's engine like compos mentis*all overthe freeway before it ever gets up to "danger speed." *nobody will get that
Posted by: reason at January 25, 2012 11:30 AM (q/kmn)

Ah, but there is bing! Perhaps you meant non compos mentis?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 11:36 AM (4q5tP)

261 I think a lot of us don't think Mitt is an easy sell either, and that we are going to need to make that sale given the blinding incompetence of the incumbent.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:33 AM (RI0fC)

******

I hear all you guys-trust me.

I have hated the way the Conservative media has absolutely ruined their reputations-

"selling Romney"...

It's going to be a bumpy ride with both of these "options".

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:37 AM (r2PLg)

262 The "unrelated trash" theory is exactly what I thought you've been hinting at all along but won't talk about openly; maybe because it's only been related in vague terms or been whispered among "insiders".

I KNOW THERE IS UNRELATED TRASH. We all do. It does not signify. It is of no moment, it will always be OLD.

That would have been then. Before all his conversions and redications which my computer like to auto-correct to "redecorations".

He's had girlfriends and upheaval and trouble with that second wife. The imagination can run wild there.

I don't care if he has a Totentanz of skeletons which all died from induced abortions he asked them to get.

Asking ain't gettin and he was never in control of anyone elses "choice", and he wouldn't choose it now.

So there.

What have you got? Just go there or CUT IT OUT.

Posted by: SarahW at January 25, 2012 11:37 AM (LYwCh)

263 suck-ass car at hoopty-yard.com http://bit.ly/z607Jd

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at January 25, 2012 11:37 AM (6c2Vl)

264 I am not confident Romney can win despite the fact I think he would be a better President than Obama or Gingrich.

I am not confident that Gingrich can win it either, but I think he has a chance.

Posted by: Blaster at January 25, 2012 11:37 AM (Fw2Gg)

265 236: We are boned. The fact is that too many of the old guard GOP would rather lose to a democrat than a conservative. They fear the conservative might shrink government so the minority share of the Dem's giant government is preferable.

Posted by: Palerider at January 25, 2012 11:38 AM (FBj6Z)

266 Now it's bad or "easy" to go after the MFM? Is Romney out of his f*cking mind? Oh man, please wake me up in 2013.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 25, 2012 11:39 AM (Jr/Vb)

267 Dewey was electable against Truman

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2012 11:39 AM (yowgW)

268 MiketheMoose, Dave in Fla-

you're last two comments-absolutely correct.

I'm off to go-get rid of the headache I've developed...

#$%@

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:39 AM (r2PLg)

269 I would be really happy if Mitt - or Santorum, frankly - started to give me a reason to vote for him. Honestly I would. But he is not making the case. I am not as enamored of his resume as many here are. I always thought it was dusty and had too little time in public office. And I think his three year vacation, er "unemployment," was a mistake.

His tax plan is weaker than Newt's, he has no DC experience, and no major victories to point to against Democrats. He doesn't even have a track-record as a conservative pundit. He did some useful things with his money, but all it has bought him are endorsements. Now his campaign seems to be in a panic because voters are thinking for themselves. It's odd that he has nothing else in his tool kit to make his pitch except attacking his Republican opponents.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:39 AM (5H6zj)

270 "despite the fact I think he would be a better President than Obama or Gingrich"

Yeah, I get this one. I can see Mitt as a better president. I'm not convinced, but there are times I see that.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (RI0fC)

271 Ace, wondering why you appear to believe that Palin and Gingrich are somehow obligated to bankrupt themselves and/or subject themselves to a career of legal harassment in order to prove their worth to you.

Posted by: Another Bob at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (RJMcc)

272 Newt goes full OWS and open borders against Romney.
When asked about Romney’s position on immigration, Gingrich said that deporting all undocumented immigrants is unrealistic.

“You have to live in a world of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and making $20 million for no work, to have some fantasy this far from reality,” Gingrich said.
Newt has leftwinger Greg Sargent at the post thinking about voting for him.

Posted by: robtr at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (MtwBb)

273 tasker at January 25, 2012 11:34 AM

Still going with the nominee in the general. Even if it is Mitt. Probably go Gignrich in the primary. Might just flip a coin on those two.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (kaOJx)

274 Putting Newt and IRS in google brings up CNN clips from 1999 when Newt was exonerated. The irony being the dems tried to falsely torpedo Newt for doing what Media Matters does everyday.

Posted by: CANNON starring Chris Christie at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (9wLy+)

275 226 Posted by: WalrusRex at January 25, 2012 11:25 AM (Hx5uv)

Okay, that got a chuckle or two. 12 clothespins. Her name is Lucy. Can't afford batteries.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 25, 2012 11:42 AM (4q5tP)

276 " I just see no evidence for this from the man whose rational in divorcing his first wife was "Jackie can’t run uphill" as he stated to Dolores Adamson, a staff assistant, "which she
took to mean that his wife was overweight and ill, not a plus
for an aspiring national politician."

Jackie asked HIM for the divorce.

Posted by: cackfinger at January 25, 2012 11:43 AM (a9mQu)

277 213
@189
I'd rather defend the candidate who I think will actually fight and win a couple of victories for me.


Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:23 AM (5H6zj)
--I agree with this 100%. There is absolutely no way Romney can win in the general. He cannot and will not energize the base. Without an energized base, there is no way to beat Barky.
Also, if Pelosi is so afraid of Newt, shouldn't that tell us something? I don't see Pelosi out there attacking Romney.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 25, 2012 11:44 AM (YUwuZ)

278 There is absolutely no way Romney can win in the general. He cannot and will not energize the base.
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Maybe he plans to give each of us poor wretches $50.

Why didn't that get more play, btw? Can you imagine if Obama handed a voter fifty bucks at a campaign event?

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:46 AM (5H6zj)

279 241
Romney now slamming Newt for criticizing the media...I kid you not!!!

http://bit.ly/wNEBAE



*****



Oh gawd!

Posted by: tasker at January 25, 2012 11:31 AM (r2PLg)
Yeah, he's trying to win over the moderate (non-thinking) voters. That should tell us all we need to know about RomneyBot.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 25, 2012 11:46 AM (YUwuZ)

280 250 Media storys on the big 3about the charges before he resigned and 0 media stories about his aquital by the IRS when it happened. Ya, media bias might have come into play with this entire thing. Sorta like Sarah Palin resigning from her governorship before going bankrupt only to be called a quiter. Strange that bias.

Posted by: TheGarbone at January 25, 2012 11:47 AM (7kMFh)

281 Yeah, I get this one. I can see Mitt as a better president. I'm not convinced, but there are times I see that.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 11:40 AM (RI0fC)
I think on the pomp and circumstance symbolic stuff, Mitt would be excellent, probably the best since Reagan.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 11:47 AM (T0NGe)

282 The fact is that too many of the old guard GOP would rather lose to a democrat than a conservative. They fear the conservative might shrink government so the minority share of the Dem's giant government is preferable. Posted by: Palerider at January 25, 2012 11:38 AM (FBj6Z).Stockholm Syndrome

Posted by: Decaf at January 25, 2012 11:48 AM (EFlH3)

283 That BS about Palin and Troopergate was discredited long ago. The SOB should have been fired long before for multiple violations of law and state trooper regulations.

When she ordered the head of the Dept to fire him and he refused guess what the penalty for insubordination is in most companies? He too was fired.

The fact is the SOB was a damn major accident waiting to happen.

Posted by: Vic at January 25, 2012 11:49 AM (YdQQY)

284 Newt is more Conservative than Mitt.

Newt can defeat Obama.

Therefore, I support Newt.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:49 AM (3uiM5)

285 cackfinger: Jackie asked HIM for the divorce.
-- -- --

This is untrue according to those interviewed in Bloomberg article at the url I posted. Gingrich against the world, you pick whom?

-- -- --
Bloomberg: Gingrich Account of First Divorce Disputed by Aides, Documents

“It’s totally untrue that she wanted the divorce, and Newt
knows that,” Dot Crews, who worked in the former Georgia
congressman’s office from 1979 to 1984, said in a telephone
interview yesterday. Crews, 80, recalled Gingrich confiding
during a car ride in his home district that he’d decided to file
for divorce.

“He talks about redemption, and then he lies like this?”
Crews said.
(http://tinyurl.com/btawhcp)

-- -- --

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 11:49 AM (447Af)

286 ace, People forget that he resigned right in the middle of the ipeachment trial. And exactly why did he do that?

Maybe it was that conversation Mariane said Clinton had with him, where Clinton said "You are just like me."

He resigned, and then Bob Livingston resigned because it came out that he had had multiple affairs, and that resignation was only a few days after Gingrich stepped down. That is when Denny Hastert took over as Speaker. ANd it was also one of the low water marks for the GOP as liberals everywhere were laughing and pointing out the hypocrisy.

If you ask me, Gingrich walked the plank because either Clinton threatened him with making him a laughingstock OR people in the House found out that Clinton knew. What they DIDN'T know was that Clinton was holding the dirt on Livingston, too, until after Gingrich was forced out.

This is why leaders should be of high moral character. Not because of some idea of churchiness, but because people who are subject to blackmail and extortion can be forced to do things they shouldn't do.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2012 11:52 AM (GoIUi)

287 Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 11:49 AM (447Af)

Court records are the only proof.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:52 AM (3uiM5)

288 Pelosi telling us who they fear, they have the Mormon all set up for a lynching can't have the former speaker of the house whose knows where ALL the bodies are buried and has the escort services on speed dial throwing a wrench or a whore or two into the works.
Newt:
Jon and Mitch pass my bill or the National Enquirer gets a call from Trixy and your wives afterward, Clear?

Posted by: Concealedkerry or SubMitt at January 25, 2012 11:52 AM (vXqv3)

289 I knew the facts about the ethics charge thing years ago. I don't know why it wasn't generally known. Rush has also talked about it numerous times -- or doesn't anyone here listen to talk radio?

I was paying close attention in the 90s when all of it was playing out. I doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out that the whole thing was as political as it could be. The Democrats were doing their best to bring down Newt's Speakership with the ethics thing, filing bogus ethics charges all over the place. And a few years later, the information about the last one came out. I heard about it when it did, but of course no one made a point of it because it wasn't important anymore.

Our side should learn not to listen to smears coming from the Left and from the Republican Establishment. They aren't blackening someone's reputation for *our* good, you know.

Posted by: Lee at January 25, 2012 11:53 AM (RtwOA)

290 Jackie Gingrich, their daughter, said that her mom requested the divorce.
http://tinyurl.com/3lkfasu

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2012 11:53 AM (5H6zj)

291 ugh, this must be the work of the party's elders who deem that there is no hill on which we must fight. I bitched about this in 2005 with Tom Delay, how we are voluntarily denutsing our leadership. Imagine having Delay as speaker again instead of Boehner. Newt! must have been forced to eat the shit sandwich offered to him.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 25, 2012 11:53 AM (QxSug)

292 >>>I'll just go ahead and tell you my speculation/worry: Someone forwarded
some unrelated trash to the Democrats, and Gingrich copped falsely to
the stated (false) charges to make it all go away. And that's what
Pelosi is sitting there grinning like an idiot about.

This was a little difficult to understand: are you suggesting that, in the course of the ethics investigation, the Democrats got a hold of some other, politically destructive stuff that was unrelated to the ethics charges? And that Newt, realizing that the Dems now had this in their hands, pled out on the bullshit charge rather than face the prospect of the other awful stuff leaking to the press?

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 25, 2012 11:54 AM (23Ios)

293 284
Newt is more Conservative than Mitt.



Newt can defeat Obama.



Therefore, I support Newt.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2012 11:49 AM (3uiM5)
I dispute the first two of those statements.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 11:54 AM (T0NGe)

294 He resigned, and then Bob Livingston resigned because it came out that he had had multiple affairs, and that resignation was only a few days after Gingrich stepped down. That is when Denny Hastert took over as Speaker.
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And ever since Republicans have been fighting for conservatives and cutting government spending like mad men!
Hey.... wait a minute....

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 11:56 AM (mf67L)

295 Ace, you know you don't have to crowd source this information. You could, I don't know, look into it yourself. "Research" I think the call it.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 11:57 AM (N/1Dm)

296 This whole party has been downhill ever since Gingrich left.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 11:57 AM (mf67L)

297 ah, it looks like Newt! got in trouble because of Cooter.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 25, 2012 11:57 AM (QxSug)

298 Can you imagine if Obama handed a voter fifty bucks at a campaign event?

Handing anyone $50 of his own money? Never.

Handing someone $50 he took from one of lackeys? He did "give" that one scrunt in FL someone else's house after she asked him for one...

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:58 AM (ZKzrr)

299 YES!

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:58 AM (ZKzrr)

300 Aw crap.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs italics. And a beer. at January 25, 2012 11:58 AM (ZKzrr)

301 Amish Newt can fake it better at the very least. And one of them can make a case, and admit taking a wrong direction even.

Picking my poison, I'll go with the one that flays and burns Obama.

Posted by: SarahW at January 25, 2012 11:59 AM (LYwCh)

302 and what happened once Newt! was forced to give in to this bullshit? "It was a huge victory for Democrats. They had deeply wounded the Speaker. But they hadn't brought him down. So, as Bonior suggested, they sought to push law enforcement to begin a criminal investigation of Gingrich."

Why can't we learn that the democrats never give up, you have to beat them.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 25, 2012 11:59 AM (QxSug)

303 Possibly the dumbest thing I've read.This election will be all
about Obama, period. No one on the GOP side, not Mitt, not Newt, not
Rick, not even crazy Uncle Ron is responsible for this current disaster.

And that's possibly the most naive thing I've ever read.

Obama's done nothing but blame Republicans, but it's in no way going to be about the GOP nominee? Ridiculous.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2012 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

304 I think when we see the Romney campaign doing very strange things (like defending the MFM against Newt) we have to remember that Romney really is just what he appears to be - a very vanilla, non-thinking individual with a complete lack of any inherent political instincts. He simply regurgitates responses provided to him by his vast band of very expensive consultants.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 25, 2012 12:00 PM (YUwuZ)

305 #290 of course she requested the divorce. He cheated on her. He also wanted to discuss details of the divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from having a tumor removed that fortunately found to be benign. That's straight from her mouth, quoted in the Washington Post.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 25, 2012 12:01 PM (fuUYY)

306 >>>And that's what
Pelosi is sitting there grinning like an idiot about.


In her defense, that's kind of her thing.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 12:02 PM (N/1Dm)

307 Drudge Headline: Rubio Rips Team Gingrich

"So when Gingrich’s radio spot described Romney as “the most anti-immigrant candidate,” Rubio and others felt he not only crossed the line – he was adopting liberal criticisms" (http://tinyurl.com/7s763v2)
-- -- --


This type of thing is starting to become all too common, eh?

First he uses the left's attack on venture capitalism, then on taxes and income distribution, now on immigration.

Ironic how conservatives claim they saw Obama's modus operandi all too clear, before anyone else and forewarned; yet nobody listened. Time to open your eyes. It's starring you in the face....

...and it's uglier than Dede Scozzafava

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:02 PM (447Af)

308 @61: Let's ignore that Palin did what she was accused of doing in the serious charge against her (demanding a trooper fire a subordinate due to a family squabble).



Where did this come from? Not even the Branchflower report said that, and provided evidence that it never happened (though it didn’t highlight the evidence--that Monegan was completely unaware of Wooten’s “dispute” with the Palins).

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 25, 2012 12:02 PM (QF8uk)

309 Newt is Amish? Heh

Posted by: brak at January 25, 2012 12:04 PM (JeoSr)

310 This is why we can't compete. Conservatives aren't crazy and therefore can't spend a decade trying to bring down a person.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 25, 2012 12:06 PM (QxSug)

311 I think when we see the Romney campaign doing very strange things (like defending the MFM against Newt) we have to remember that Romney really is just what he appears to be - a very vanilla, non-thinking individual with a complete lack of any inherent political instincts. He simply regurgitates responses provided to him by his vast band of very expensive consultants.
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It is important to pay attention to who the consultants are. We will nominate 1 man who will run a campaign, we will be nominating a whole team, as well as a campaign strategy.

I really think people need to look at Romney's staff, and campaign advisers and consultants, their history, their dumb positions and weaksauce failures of Charlie Crist type candidates, their lamestrategies. It is relevant. These guys are going to be running Romney's campaign and giving him all his focus-grouped advice.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 12:06 PM (mf67L)

312 “It’s very easy to talk down a moderator,” Romney said Wednesday on Fox News. “The moderator asks a question and then has to sit by and take whatever you send to them. - Mittens.
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ORLY? When's the next debate? Put up or shut up.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 12:08 PM (mf67L)

313 "This type of thing is starting to become all too common, eh?"


just a replay of gingrich's colorful tenure in congress

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2012 12:09 PM (WR5xI)

314 272 Newt goes full OWS and open borders against Romney.
When asked about Romney’s position on immigration, Gingrich said that deporting all undocumented immigrants is unrealistic.

------------------------------------------------------------------And Romney said he was going to rely on "voluntary deportation", which sounds really effective.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 12:09 PM (9N3G1)

315 287: Court records are the only proof.
=======

Why can't people just read the fucking articles and look for primary sources themselves, instead of relying on tid-bits of information?

I posted the link to the Bloomberg article that explains this all twice -- fucking read it.

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"After a CNN reporter showed the Gingrich campaign divorce
documents, also obtained by Bloomberg News, that indicate Newt Gingrich filed for divorce, Hammond said Gingrich had done so at
his first wife’s request.

He declined to comment to Bloomberg News about the aides’
accounts or details in the divorce papers" (http://tinyurl.com/btawhcp)

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It's as I said in my 2nd post on this -- who do you believe, Gingrich or the world? The legal documents, two or three witnesses who all worked in his office at the time are saying he's lying-- or Gingrich?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:10 PM (447Af)

316 In his private life Newt has sometimes behaved like a POS.
In his public life he has been resolute and fearless in the face of MFM attacks.

He is erratic but consistently more Conservative than Milque Romney.
And Romney encourages zero enthusiasm while wearing a bullseye with a smile


At this point I'll throw in with the fearless part time POS.

Because Obama has too fucking go and I'd prefer to go down fighting if I have to go down in the end.

And it will be the end. Bank on it.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2012 12:13 PM (ZJCDy)

317 312
“It’s very easy to talk down a moderator,” Romney said Wednesday on Fox
News. “The moderator asks a question and then has to sit by and take
whatever you send to them. - Mittens.

Not from what I've seen. Doesn't John King argue with the candidates?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:14 PM (T0NGe)

318 These guys are going to be running Romney's campaign and giving him all his focus-grouped advice.

Posted by: Entropy, Racism Delenda Est at January 25, 2012 12:06 PM (mf67L)
in 2016, the third failed run is the charm.I've been hearing that from people.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 12:16 PM (oZfic)

319 Let's just ask the Democrats who they will allow us topresentas a candidate and get it over with, shall we?

Posted by: Meremortal at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (Usk3+)

320 And Romney said he was going to rely on "voluntary deportation", which sounds really effective.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 12:09 PM (9N3G1) .
It's the speeding fine theory of immigration. If you remove incentives (or impose disincentives), they'll leave voluntarily.Like they are now.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (T0NGe)

321 #316 Suggest you read Elliot Abrams account of Newt's backstabbing Reagan and critiquing his speech style, right in the middle of a democrat attack. It's on NRO.

Or his opposing the surge and mocking Bush 43 over the strategy, instead wanting to increase State Department funds by 50%.

Consistently conservative he is not. He's an opportunistic backstabber.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (GoIUi)

322 Doesn't John King argue with the candidates?
They argue with the candidates, use loaded questions, bias, etc against the candidates. Mitt feels more comfortable taking the BS. Newt seens to prefer calling them on it.
Support the approach you like the best, laying back and taking it or hitting the attacker between the eyes with a ball bat.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (kaOJx)

323 In the meantime, Romney's campaigncontinues to misrepresent his actual contributions to the Staples success story.
Jonathan Last has the details at the Weekly Standard.
Excerpt:
As it happens, Romney did not discover Stemberg and Kahn—a friend at another investment firm introduced him to the duo.
And Bain was neither the first investor in Staples, nor the largest—its initial investment was $650,000. (The other initial investors were Fred Adler of Adler Co., Bessemer Venture Partners, and Hambro Ventures.)
Yet ultimately, it seems a little strange to credit Romney with being much more than a smart early investor. That’s not nothing. Investment and capital are a very large part of entrepreneurial success—which is why investors reap large rewards when a business pans out. But still. A group of investors ponied up the $2.7 million needed to buy a group of restaurants from Richard and Maurice McDonald. Banker Ken Langone led a group of 40 investors to raise $2 million to start the Home Depot. And Mike Markkula gave Apple Computers the $250,000 it needed when it incorporated in 1977.
We don’t credit the jobs created by McDonald’s, Home Depot, and Apple to the money men. We credit them to Ray Kroc, Bernard Marcus, Arthur Blank, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak. Because those men had the ideas, ran the operations, and assumed most of the risk. It’s unclear why we should regard Romney’s role with Staples any differently

Posted by: OCBill at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (YJvVE)

324 Not a Romney fan but:

If he was so good at axing people at Bain, wouldn't that be a plus in this race? We're looking for someone that's going to reduce the size or government, therefore FIRING a ton of people. I understand emotionally why it looks bad but logically it'd actually be a good quality in a candidate.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 25, 2012 12:18 PM (bwV72)

325 "account of Newt's backstabbing Reagan "

Mitt desn't have any great love for Reagan.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 12:18 PM (kaOJx)

326 322
Doesn't John King argue with the candidates?

They argue with the candidates, use loaded questions, bias, etc
against the candidates. Mitt feels more comfortable taking the BS. Newt
seens to prefer calling them on it.

Support the approach you like the best, laying back and taking it or hitting the attacker between the eyes with a ball bat.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 12:17 PM (kaOJx)
I think that the debate thing is so extremely minor as to be ignored.As to whether it can be extrapolated to a larger point about his character, you could also argue that it's just because Newt's angry and contrarian.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:22 PM (T0NGe)

327 Wow there's some great "gotcha" information on both Newt and Romney. Really helpful for our chances to beat Obama....not. Worst part is it's coming from our "own."Wish we could do the same against Obama....

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at January 25, 2012 12:22 PM (qmF3d)

328 If he was so good at axing people at Bain, wouldn't
that be a plus in this race? We're looking for someone that's going to
reduce the size or government, therefore FIRING a ton of people. I
understand emotionally why it looks bad but logically it'd actually be a
good quality in a candidate.

Posted by: supercore23 at January 25, 2012 12:18 PM (bwV72)
.
Also, I don't know that Romney/Bain was all that famous for firing the little people. If you wore a nametag, chances are that you were still going to work, maybe with a different color nametag, but there it is. The firing is mostly in the boardrooms. But I don't know the details.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:24 PM (T0NGe)

329 314, Burke: And Romney said he was going to rely on "voluntary deportation", which sounds really effective.
=======

Actually it is. I'm guessing if you had any fucking clue how it worked you'd actually like it.

It's a mechanism that is attritional in nature (ie. slow transition) and economic (ie. cost effective, little investment, no decrease in personal liberties or increase in police-state crap) and utilizes the same free market dynamics from capitalism to incentive people to chose the legal path, which becomes their only viable one.

You start with the basic premise: people immigrate (legal and not) to work for profit; companies hire illegals because it's effective for profit. If you secure the border and prevent more people from transiting while concurrently mandating and enforcing eVerify universally with stiff penalties, you remove the profit motive for illegal immigration. By increasing the penalties beyond the cross-over pt, companies can not justify hiring them. Thus, there is a slow attrition of workers who peel off from the work force. There will still be an underground economy, but this is actually good: economically it fills niches and it provides a slow transition and soft-landing of the 12M as it decreases over the next decade or so. No round up, no mass deportations, just the law.

The mechanism is working locally already in some southern states where the border has been tightened and the recession has lowered the incentive for them to come over.

In the immigration field, if you do any reading-up, this is the en vogue type of mechanism for solving the immigration problem. Much good research on this has come out of CIS and Mark Kirkonian in particular.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:24 PM (447Af)

330 Ugh, and just when I finally get comfortable with Newt, he goes all OWS bat shit crazy.

The coin flip is sounding like a good strategy.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 25, 2012 12:25 PM (RI0fC)

331 Amish, debate performance, results, and vibes cost Perry the nomination.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 12:29 PM (kaOJx)

332 Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:24 PM (447Af)

Or simpler: It's the way in which we enforce speeding laws. Not every speeder gets fined or arrested.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:30 PM (T0NGe)

333 Keeping in line with previous Pelosi pronouncements, I guess we will have to elect Newt to find out what she knows.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 25, 2012 12:30 PM (e8kgV)

334 Our company fired a man a couple of years ago. He had been accused of all sorts of bad behavior, but had skated. In the end he was fired over a relatively small issue but lost his stock options, his severance, and at least part of his pension.

He put up absolutely no fight whatsoever and, oddly, smiled through the process.

Then it hit us..... that the sonofabitch had already stolen so damn much that what was taken away meant nothing to him. In fact, he had enough to open his own company and hire a full staff about one month later.

I am NOT saying that Newt performed in this manner, I am saying that an honest/innocent man fights like hell to maintain his reputation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2012 12:30 PM (piMMO)

335 331
Amish, debate performance, results, and vibes cost Perry the nomination.





Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2012 12:29 PM (kaOJx)
.
Yeah, I know. Very shallow thinking, in my opinion, especially since there will be no Obama/Gingrich debates.Zero. Zip. Nada. None.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:30 PM (T0NGe)

336 I'd just like to reassure everyone that I wouldn't call President Obama a socialist.

Posted by: Mitts Romney, Super Nice Guy at January 25, 2012 12:33 PM (tOdsZ)

337 Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:24 PM (447Af)


I do understand how it works, but it's kind of hit or miss--and works best in a bad economy. I also think it's disingenuous of Romney to slam Newt for not wanting to round up and deport everyone, when he himself isn't planning to do that either.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 12:37 PM (9N3G1)

338 Next up on Newt's agenda, calling Romney a chickenhawk.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 25, 2012 12:38 PM (fuUYY)

339 Top Romney advisers lobbied for Freddie Mac

Story at the Daily Caller

Uh Oh.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 25, 2012 12:39 PM (YUwuZ)

340 There is a way to opt out of BigBrotherGoogle's new privacy or lack thereof -- don't use their crap.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at January 25, 2012 12:39 PM (jqHOY)

341 Ace, I understand GM is offering some really great deals on new Volts!

Posted by: maddogg at January 25, 2012 11:08 AM (OlN4e)



@ Firesale prices, even. Too good to pass up.
***
And remember to get the flame detailing on the hood.

Posted by: Elaan, Dohlman of Elas at January 25, 2012 12:41 PM (sHY5w)

342 OT, I was praised by Andrew Breitbart on Twitter. That is all.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 12:43 PM (T0NGe)

343 In a book of his Penn Jillete discussed a break up with a girlfriend. While he was at her apartment, he wound up burning his dick in a hairdryer. It's a long story I won't repeat. The bottom line is that his girlfriend told him to clear out, saying something like "I know it was an accident, and you didn't mean for it to happen, but shit like this always happens with you. I don't need this in my life, so just go."

That is exactly what the American voter will say if the GOP nominates Gingrich. You can come up with all sorts of plausible defenses for every bad incident Gingrich was involved in, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is continually involving himself in one crisis after the next. Nobody wants to deal with this shit, except maybe scandalmongering reporters.

Posted by: Schaeffer at January 25, 2012 12:45 PM (ZN0re)

344 To say that an innocent man always fights to clear his name no matter what is an oversimplification.

It's also not necessarily true as everyone has different levels of where they draw the line.

Judgments about the motivations or lack thereof shouldn't be based solely on what one THINKS they themselves would do in the circumstance.

No one knows what may or may not have been said in private nor what Newt's state of mind was at the time nor how he felt. To make a flat statement like that is unjustifiable.

In Newt's case, he may have thought that they would further drag the investigation out further (remember the IRS investigation took place AFTER the ethics committee's) and that his political situation was irretrievable. He has obvious revised that opinion.

I'm not saying he's pure as driven snow but it's not fair to make presumptions about a situation without all the facts and even then, people do strange things that even they can't justify later.

Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 25, 2012 12:45 PM (xqpQL)

345 Ace, As I've been thinking about this, is it possible that nanny and marianne have somehow joined forces? Put everything they know privately and publicly and there is something that will hit Newt and weaken him?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 12:48 PM (oZfic)

346
wow Apple's market cap is $415B

that's almost a half-trillion

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 12:48 PM (sqkOB)

347 "I know it was an accident, and you didn't mean for it to happen, but shit like this always happens with you. I don't need this in my life, so just go."As opposed to the incumbent, who is doing his shit on purpose. We masy as well keep him around.

This is going to be a very, very interesting election season.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 25, 2012 12:49 PM (YmPwQ)

348 The Democrats have told you only Romney is acceptable, now hop to it. And don't bother getting the big eyes for anyone else either.
Cuz they know things.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 25, 2012 12:50 PM (Usk3+)

349 AmishDude, Thanks! Great analogy!

Burke: I do understand how it works, but it's kind of hit or miss--and
works best in a bad economy. I also think it's disingenuous of Romney
to slam Newt for not wanting to round up and deport everyone, when he
himself isn't planning to do that either.
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First of all, it's invariant as to the economy's state after implemented. Right now, we see a proof-of-concept as it happens in recessions,we'll effectively create a virtual depression for illegals as they can't get a job since they would fail eVerify. There will still be a black market, but when the penalties are raised past a critical point, basic game theory demands most firms will not risk it. A subset will, and that's good actually -- there is room for jobs that are demanding or pay < min. wage or whatever. It also ensures that there is a soft-landing for the 12M illegals in the system as they slowly peel off.

Newt has no plan, he has no firm framework comparable to Romney's.

I mean, this is a great microcosm of how fucked this race is, Romney has a deep and thoughtful idea borrowed from Mark Kirkorian and others and you guys scoff and laugh at it. Newt throws out a few lines about what happened in 1873 and how the media is anti-conservatives and trying to ask him a 'gotcha' question -- who does the conservatives go for?

Are You Not Entertained?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 12:51 PM (447Af)

350
Apple, I think, right now has just barely surpassed ExxonMobil for the biggest market cap. Amazing.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 12:51 PM (sqkOB)

351 346

wow Apple's market cap is $415B

that's almost a half-trillion


Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2012 12:48 PM (sqkOB)
They are loaded with cash, have been for a while. They are going to start buying companies in the supply chain. Should get interesting to watch.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 12:52 PM (oZfic)

352 Knute must have groped Pelosi's flabby cootch when they where seated on that casting couch, no?

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2012 12:53 PM (/ZZCn)

353 I always wondered how she got him to sit on that couch. He had to know if he decided to go on in his career politically that sitting there with her would make people gasp.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 12:55 PM (oZfic)

354 <i>As opposed to the incumbent, who is doing his shit on purpose. We masy
as well keep him around.</i>

The incumbent has avoided all sorts of John Edwardian situations. I don't like him, and I'll vote for the GOP nominee, but the fact is that Gingrich is only minutes away from his next scandal. It might be an ethics issue, it might be yet another sexual dalliance*, or maybe it's him teaming up with the Rev. Al. Who knows what tomorrow will bring with this man? How do you think that's going to play in November to voters who are unsure?

*Let's remember he was cheating on his wife while he was pursuing L'Affaire Lewinksi, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were a real October Surprise from him this year.

Posted by: Schaeffer at January 25, 2012 12:56 PM (ZN0re)

355 Let us try a thought experiment. I charge you with 75 violations of the law, various felonies and misdemeanors, after a drawn out battle you successfully get 74 dismissed and still face a vague 75th one with the threat of new sets of charges to come.

Now you find out or perceive you can finally end this scenario by accepting a lesser charge (Gingrich did get them to change the language of the charge from "knowingly committed" to "should have known") pay a painful but acceptable penalty and end this scenario.

Ask yourself "what would I do?" remember this involves not just you but your family, everyhting about you.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at January 25, 2012 12:56 PM (lcwvr)

356 Ask yourself "what would I do?" remember this involves not just you but your family, everyhting about you.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at January 25, 2012 12:56 PM (lcwvr)
.Actually, in dealing with Federal prosecutors, you should take the deal. They can and will not stop until they get you.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2012 01:00 PM (T0NGe)

357 Newt has no plan, he has no firm framework comparable to Romney's.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Check out his website --Newt's plan is there in detail.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 01:02 PM (9N3G1)

358 If you're reading deep philosophical bents into the attacks made against your candidate you need to stop being such a naive little lamb, or at least be honest and read the same nonsense into your own candidate's attacks.

At this point attacks are made on a cost/benefit/effectiveness calculation. If they work they will be used.

The same goes for the counterattacks. Take Rubio's defense of Romney today. That's a risk free defense. Rubio wants Romney to win, that's not news. But he hasn't endorsed him has he? Why? because Newt may win Florida. Yes, Saint Rubio is playing the same cynical game as everyone else. If Mitt goes up in the polls guess who will be making a surprise last minutes endorsement? And if Newt looks like he'll win guess who will not be making a surprise last minute endorsement?

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 01:04 PM (N/1Dm)

359 My only reservation is that is not "newt like". He seems like the type that will fight almost to the death. But then for himself he resigns, sort of backs away. That is what is bothering some people. They can't put the "fight to the death" newt together with the "I'll just back down and go away" newt. Makes you think there is something way worse that he backed away from.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 01:04 PM (oZfic)

360 Fire with Fire, because that's the only unethical thing Newt has done or been accused of and investigated for?! And I'm not talking when he broke the vows with both wives, or his oath with his office in the Speaker incident, I'm asking about this and what else is sealed:

Washington Post archive of the FBI report (pdf) on Iraqi arms-dealer allegations: (http://tinyurl.com/6tqgeur)

Summery:
Newt Gingrich FBI investigation documents
In
the 1990s, the FBI considered a sting operation against then-House
Speaker Newt Gingrich after sifting through allegations from a notorious
arms dealer that a $10 million bribe might get Congress to lift the
Iraqi arms embargo.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 01:04 PM (447Af)

361 Since the Media wasn't about to bring up EVERYTHING about Gingrich's ethics investigation by themselves, is it possible that some bright spark egged a few of them on about it OR made some anonymous calls about how it was so devastating for Gingrich if the details got out.

And lastly; what if this is Pelosi DOING HIM A FAVOR? Yeah, it's Byzantine as all get out but that's the level of politics these days.

IF it shows him in a better light if ALL the facts get out, then who better to get the media to report on it than the Queen Bee herself? They weren't sitting on that couch cause they hate each other ya' know.

Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 25, 2012 01:05 PM (xqpQL)

362 If Rubio is smart he'll follow the jeb bush model and keep his mouth shut.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 01:06 PM (oZfic)

363 Does Rubio know that Romney's using Charlie Crist's people in FLA?

Posted by: Obi Wan Lucky Bastard at January 25, 2012 01:06 PM (xqpQL)

364 Ask yourself "what would I do?" remember this involves not just you but
your family, everyhting about you.

His family? Which one? Remember he was married to Marrianne and schtupping Callista throughout all this.

If we were just talking about Bonior's silly ethics crusade alone, I could buy into Gingrich's defense. The problem is that this is merely one thing out dozens of escapades we have to sell to the voters in November.

Let's turn this around. If Gingrich is a real patriot, why is he subjecting his party and his country to this sort of scandal. If he thinks Romney unworthy of the conservative party mantle, fine, then endorse Santorum, or he should have backed Perry. Gingrich knows how flawed a candidate he is, yet he's running, and should he win the presidency, he will prove even less effective than he was as Speaker. The GOP will get killed in 2014 and 2016.

Posted by: Schaeffer at January 25, 2012 01:06 PM (ZN0re)

365 Burke: Check out his website --Newt's plan is there in detail.
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I have and with all respect, I can't support anything or anyone who even considers the idea of a 'local review board' that will decide the immigration state and fate of their peers as serious or even lucid. I'm sorry.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 25, 2012 01:08 PM (447Af)

366 Only problem is, whatever Pelosi knows, she learned as part of a closed committee. She cannot release that information. That was made clear the last time she rattle her moron sword.

Posted by: deadrody at January 25, 2012 01:08 PM (eOvu0)

367 Cain's campaign ended with exposure of his current ongoing extra-marital affairs. Were Pelosi to expose Newt's current ongoing open-marriage sexual activities and Newt's campaign didn't end, it would provide his opponents credibility playing the race card against the GOP for being intolerant of a black male's extramarital affairs while tolerant of a white male's ONGOING extramarital affairs while seeking to become POTUS. (The current wife of Gingrich and Mrs. Cain each stand by their man, so for whatever reason, neither attacks their husband's sexual habits.)

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at January 25, 2012 01:08 PM (lpWVn)

368 BTW, isn't there something unethical about Nancy Mcbotox threatening Newt! like this? Why can't we have our own dedicated ethics guardian to torment her and her insider trading?

This is why our side sucks

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 25, 2012 01:11 PM (QxSug)

369 Does Rubio know that Romney's using Charlie Crist's people in FLA?

*****

Remember, folks didn't hate CC while he was governor. That came later, although we did always make fun of his oompa loompa tan.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2012 01:11 PM (piMMO)

370 For the love of God would you folks please stop drawing images of Nancy and Newt?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2012 01:12 PM (piMMO)

371 if nancy doesnt spit it out i guess we can assume she swallows...

Posted by: chas at January 25, 2012 01:13 PM (TKF1Y)

372 #327 I am actually considering whether to join Team Mayan or Team Meteor.

Divine intervention is our only hope, absent SEAL Team Six taking over the GOP.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2012 01:14 PM (GoIUi)

373 Yesterday they were all up in arms over romney's taxes and his mormon religion. Today it's that they are the new family values voters and three marriages is a bit much even in today's world cause look how strong barack and michelle's marriage is and how much they love one another.

When they all bombard me with this stuff, all at once, you have to think it's coming from a single source.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 01:15 PM (oZfic)

374 >>>>>>I have and with all respect, I can't support anything or anyone who
even considers the idea of a 'local review board' that will decide the
immigration state and fate of their peers as serious or even lucid. I'm
sorry.


Uh huh. But you'll take Romney seriously when he doesn't even have a plan on paper. You'll take his various and wandering verbal iterations of an outline of a plan very seriously?

Right. He sounded super serious about doing something in the last debate, swearzies.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 01:16 PM (N/1Dm)

375 #374 On balance, I will take Romney's vague stand on immigration over someone who thinks local review boards should decide.

Not only is that unconstitutional, but it is a way to make Hispanics victims of all sorts of intimidation and extortion, from giving board members free labor to seeing daughters forced to have sex with some jerk who gets off on a power trip.


Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2012 01:20 PM (GoIUi)

376 Because I have Romney's website open in another window and I'm not seeing the word immigration anywhere. You'd think that a guy with such drive and promise to work on the issue that could garner super serious confidence might at least have the word on there where someone could find it, even if it's a dead link.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 01:20 PM (N/1Dm)

377 @349 "Romney has a deep and thoughtful idea borrowed from Mark Kirkorian..."

Romney's father, before American Motors, worked for Studebaker. Kerkorian was a Vice President at Studebaker. After the election, I expect these damned "buggy whip" jokes to be over with.

Posted by: comatus at January 25, 2012 01:20 PM (ySTXt)

378 It looked like both she and harry had "work". Wonder if they got a deal together.

I thought Mitch Daniels speech was very good last night. I just don't see him as a candidate and I don't think he sees himself that way either. But he said a lot of good stuff. Not necessarily stuff I think the conservatives would love but stuff that squishy middle would think is fine.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 01:21 PM (oZfic)

379 >>>>>>On balance, I will take Romney's vague stand on immigration over someone who thinks local review boards should decide.

Okay, come on. This is just hackery. Newt's plan is very detailed, complex, and specific. The boards wouldn't "decide". There is a long filtering process with many layers of enforcement that would greatly narrow the potential number of people that could stay. Then the boards hear these people's case.

And you know what? I don't like the boards either. I don't think they'd be needed. I think the people that make it out of the narrowing should be accepted and put into the second process which is equally long and demanding.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 25, 2012 01:25 PM (N/1Dm)

380 Newt paid for the INVESTIGATION committee's cost's of investigating the 84 charges that were made against him. There was NOT an admission to ANY of the charges that were filed by David Bonior.
Also, yeah, he was banging Callista like a screen door in a hurricane but it was happening durring a 6 year separation. Would you wear out your arm or get a GF?
"Pelosi is sitting there grinning like an idiot..." which is a natural state for her all things considered. I hope she drops something considered priviledged information from the investigating committee that is sealed. She'll go to jail for it.

Posted by: Gmac at January 25, 2012 01:26 PM (k2Fyd)

381 How do you think that's going to play in November to voters who are unsure?At the risk of sounding squishy:
I think (or could just be wishcasting) that enough people....especially white, middle-class folks...who voted for Zero in '08 will vote against him this year, as long as the alternative is not perceived as a religious zealot. An effective GOP campaign (lol) could really damage Obama, and it shouldn't be that hard.
On the other hand, the MSM, as usual, will be carrying Obama's water. If they can successfully continue to foster this inane notion that the economy is actually improving, he may be re-elected in a blowout.

Posted by: Luap Nor at January 25, 2012 01:26 PM (YmPwQ)

382 "If Rubio is smart he'll follow the jeb bush model and keep his mouth shut"

oh, Rubio is scared of you

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2012 01:26 PM (WR5xI)

383
Look for lots of pandering from all the candidates tomorrow night.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2012 01:29 PM (piMMO)

384 370 For the love of God would you folks please stop drawing images of Nancy and Newt?!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
"One more plastic surgury and she'll have a beard.."

Posted by: Gmac at January 25, 2012 01:29 PM (k2Fyd)

385 360 and 364-- Newt was cleared then too. It came up because wife #2 (who had walked out and remained away for 6 years) was rumored to be involved with selling access.

Newt's first wife started an affair with him when she was his math teacher and he was 16 or 17. She pulled a vulnerable kid (his mother had become bi-polar) into an unethical and dysfunctional relationship, and she had a lot to do with messing him up. Wife #2 walked out in 1987 and stayed away for six years. He met Callista during the separation. In 1995--when they were supposedly reconciled-- Marianne Gingrich told a reporter from Vanity Fair(?) that she didn't want to be a political wife, and that she could stop Newt's career with one interview.
This all puts a different light on the alleged story of Newt, the callous lothario. His marriage to Callista seems to be very strong--even the NY Times admitted it--and its very possible that he's finally straightened out and on the straight and narrow. I agree that this is not a great background for a President, but these are not normal times, and Mitt looks pretty hollow.

Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 01:32 PM (9N3G1)

386 local boards? is that, like, another layer of bureaucracy ? on top of
all the other local layers of bureaucracy governments need to deal with ?
will they be unionized ? probably. bribable ? most certainly . how is
that an answer to illegal immigration problem ? how did newt vote on
e-verify during his exciting tenure in congress ? he voted against it.

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2012 01:35 PM (WR5xI)

387 61 Let's ignore that Palin did what she was accused of doing in the serious
charge against her (demanding a trooper fire a subordinate due to a
family squabble).<<

Pretty sure that's horseshit.

Posted by: Kerry at January 25, 2012 01:37 PM (a/VXa)

388 Here's a silver lining interpretation: Gingrich was willing to take a personal hit on something he knew he could beat, rather than have the Democrats demagogue a false issue for months on end with him hanging on to power.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2012 01:47 PM (RKxtN)

389 Newt was cleared then too. It came up because wife #2 (who had walked
out and remained away for 6 years) was rumored to be involved with
selling access.

Newt's first wife started an affair with him when she was his math
teacher and he was 16 or 17...

Let me interrupt you right there, Burke. Think about what you have to do for this man. You have a whole paragraph of excuses (some valid) and rationalizations, and you have to do this time and time again for any number of separate instances. If we were talking about admitting this guy to the local fishing club, or even letting him serve on the city council, fine, but we're trying to beat the sitting president who has all sorts of structural advantages.

At some point, you have to finally ask, "Why does shit keep happening to this guy?" Wife trouble, tax trouble, paling around with Sharpton and Pelosi, flacking for Freddie Mac, charge accounts at Tiffany's, entire senior staff up and quitting, and on and on and on. Add to this his continuing validation of leftist positions on immigration and the welfare state, and I don't really see what's in it for the GOP. At least Goldwater's landslide defeat was based on a principled stand against the Welfare State. Newt's campaign on based solely on the principle of advancing Newt.

Posted by: Schaeffer at January 25, 2012 02:07 PM (ZN0re)

390 Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 01:32 PM (9N3G1)



Do you seriously think that the general population is going to look at that and explain it away or just shrug? Seriously. Most of newt's issues (and Willard's for that matter) are easy to explain and justify.... But only if people are interested in listening. Just as "true conservatives" aren't interested in listening to context in regards to Willard... Most people outside of the fanboy circle won't bother listening to anything beyond the salacious detail.

Posted by: Phil at January 25, 2012 02:11 PM (yvVvq)

391 Watching uncle benny and browsing so I went to the Hill and found a new article up there: "Pelosi’s office says she doesn’t have any new dirt on Newt Gingrich"

Yeah right, she has nothing new. And for those who believe this I have this lovely bridge in brooklyn that I inherited and am free to sell you. I bet someone called her and said "what, he's not even the nominee, it's too soon, we're saving that stuff.....walk it back now...don't worry, once he's safely the party nominee we'll let you do the damage, like three days before the national election".

The person who said maybe she was doing a good deed for Newt might be right.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 25, 2012 02:28 PM (oZfic)

392 Pelosi's office:


"'The "something" Leader Pelosi knows is that Newt Gingrich will not be President of the United States. She made that clear last night,' Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said in a statement.
'Leader Pelosi previously made a reference to the extensive amount of information that is in the public record, including the comprehensive committee report with which the public may not be fully aware,' Hammill said."


Backing off, again.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 25, 2012 02:41 PM (r4wIV)

393 389/390---As much as I like Newt, I wouldn't be thinking about him as President if there were a good alternative--I'd rather see him as an advisor. He has another problem--everytime he proposes something creative and genuinely helpful to the D's constituency, it gets scrambled on the media. Newt says we can give poor kids paying jobs sweeping classrooms, and the next day the whole world is insisting that he thinks black kids should scrub toilets.

The problem is that if we put up Mother Teresa, by the time the MSM was done, she'd look like a monster too. We need someone who fights back. I think its important for OUR side to understand what happened, so we don't keep wrongly accusing him, and adding to the fire.




Posted by: Burke at January 25, 2012 02:47 PM (9N3G1)

394 And this is why you don't ever give in to the Fkrs and why the Republican Party is a bunch (or at least most of them still are with some great exceptions recently) pussies for kissing the media a**.

He weakened and gave in... plus, the Republican Party probably threw him to the wolves too. The good old pussy Republican days when kissing the media's buttocks was in vogue.

Sarah Palin was the first national conservative who constantly and consistently told the lame stream media to go F themselves and luckily for us some of the newly elected Conservative Republicans are doing the same thing too and who knows, maybe all the pussy Republicans will get the idea and grow some balls too.

Posted by: PhilipJames at January 25, 2012 03:11 PM (G9AXq)

395 After reading this thread, I went for a walk to clear my head. And wouldn't you know it? I stepped in some pelosi.

Posted by: Mr. Khan at January 25, 2012 07:31 PM (P8mj5)

396 " Let me interrupt you right there, Burke. Think about what you have to do for this man. You have a whole paragraph of excuses (some valid) and rationalizations, and you have to do this time and time again for any number of separate instances. "

What you are describing here is trumped up charges, usually embellished by political or personal animus falling the fuck apart under mild scrutiny.

I get that Gingrich is a big headed, futurist flake, who trips on his own strange ideas and that he is prone to waddle off conservatism and is about as opportunistic with rhetoric as a person can possibly be. I get that he is a hate magnet even if a large proportion of the haters seem like dishonest foam-flecked fuck heads who push it way too far and way to fast and then wonder why people look at them funny.

Now, the problem is, how does that make Romney any fucking better? Why should I vote for him again, especially when he's about as Rhino as it gets and kind of boring to boot? What's his positive side again ? I know that he's the ONLY ONE who can beat Omaba with his amazing 36% election win ratio and inability to get a Senate seat ? He's also a font of leftist positions. he was a one termer in a blue state who prototype Obamacare and he's fine with that and he expects me to be fine with it. He's just another 'who gives a fuck' McCain-esque north eastern country club type who prefers to hit republicans hard instead of democrats and thinks that wins the hearts and minds of the opposition. He's just a stream of piss in the face for the Tea Party from the "smart" part of the stupid party who know how to win because 2006-2008 was a fluke. The guy let's pundits do his fighting for him. How do you sell this guy again? He's a smiling dunce. He's Bill freaking Lundbergh from Office Space and he thinks the GOP is Peter and he needs us to come in on Sunday too. THANKS. That'd be GREAT.

At least Newt is trying to appeal to the part of he GOP that knew that McCain was an awful choice and that so were Juliani, Huckabee, and Romney 1.0. At least he sees that there is a problem with trotting the non-conservatives out every four years to repeat their usual "classy, serious,bigger-smarter government, crossover-appeal, bi-partisan compromise enabling " fail-the -right-way pageant. At least he has acknowledged that talking about global warming and cap and trade on a couch with Nancy Pelosi was stupid and that people HATED that. He learns.

Sure, Newt is a dumb choice. But Romney is also pretty fuckin' dumb choice. At least Newt has the basic presence of mind to lash out at someone besides his fellow candidates and the party base every now and fixated on irrelevant issues (venture capitalism/lobbying are against my magic space laws!) that are NOT what the goddamn election is going to be about.

Nobody looks fit so if you have to pick a silly asshole then pick the INTERESTING silly asshole who has a motive to work for his vote, a clue about the mindset of who he wants to vote for him, and who seems to be able to soak up and give back damage and tell the press to fuck off for bonus points.

The other tells me that he advanced the conservative cause by having a family, a job, and running a a blue state for one term like a blue politician would and producing Obamacare's mom which was cool.

Posted by: cackfinger at January 26, 2012 12:51 AM (a9mQu)






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