George Lucas: Liberal Hollywood Wouldn't Finance My Movie Because It Has An All Black Cast

I'm interested in this movie. But I feel I'm going to be tricked.

I think George Lucas Doesn't Know What The Hell He's Doing (TM). Harry Plinkett told me so, and yes, I Believe Harry Plinkett (TM).

I'm wondering about Lucas' motivations here. He is widely known as a talentless hack who Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM). Is the all-black movie an attempt to make himself critic-proof?

Now if this is a good movie, I want to see it. Based on how Lucas is talking about it --

“It was designed to be during the war," Lucas said. "It’s very patriotic, very jingoistic, very old-fashioned, corny, just exactly like 'Flying Leathernecks' only this one was held up for release from 1942 when it was shot, and I’ve been trying to get it released ever since.”

-- I'm inclined to see it. Further, I like dogfights, and was very disappointed by that awful WWI dogfight movie (whatever it was called) released like eight years ago, so I still need my period dogfight movie fix.

But here's the problem: George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM).

This is not a political thing, though I hate his politics. I'd toss him $10 for a good movie -- I'm pretty sure he's got more than $10 in the bank so my ticket wouldn't reward him that much.

It's the fact that he Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM). It's not the ten dollars wasted, though there is that. It's the three hours of time wasted if the film turns out to be horrific, which is quite likely, because George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM).

So did Hollywood people say "We don't know how to market a film with an all-black cast" just to be nice, to avoid saying "We've heard that George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)"?

I mean-- they made that egregious Shaft update, didn't they? They knew how to market that. (Hint: Market it as an action movie, especially to blacks, but also to people who are not black.)

And if it's true -- my goodness, does this mean liberal Hollywood is racist?

So... yeah I'll see this and review it. I will discover the truth, whether Hollywood is racist or if George Lucas just Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM). As far as I'm concerned that's win-win -- I can't lose. Someone is going to come out of this badly.

More, including video of Lucas on Jon Stewart, at NewsBusters.

Trailer:

Ugh. Damn planes look fake. The planes in Independence Day looked real and that was fifteen years ago.

Protip: use models for close shots and "hero shots." Stop with this damn-fool insistence than everything can be done on a Mac.

Posted by: Ace at 06:03 PM



Comments

1 All Black Star Wars.. where everyone gets intergalactic social justice ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 11, 2012 06:06 PM (nTgAI)

2 I think I'd pass on this one too ace.

Posted by: Ted Danson at January 11, 2012 06:06 PM (jucos)

3 George Lucas Is Terrible™.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:07 PM (lVGED)

4 He owes me 10 bucks for Phantom Menace. I couldn't make myself go to the next two.

Posted by: Percival at January 11, 2012 06:07 PM (njhPY)

5 http://goo.gl/RLUF6

Posted by: Springtime for tyrants at January 11, 2012 06:07 PM (sJKFk)

6 Um... "Carmen Jones," (1954)?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at January 11, 2012 06:09 PM (2VCZA)

7 The only thing I needed to know about this movie, I saw in the commercial.
"They changed the war by changing history." If you know the true history of the Red Tails, you know they did not change the war or any other such nonsense. This movie is just going to be more myth-building with a miniscule smattering of facts. And virtually everyone who sees it, is going to believe every last bit of it.

Posted by: SBern at January 11, 2012 06:10 PM (JF/H+)

8 Lucas co-wrote the Last Indiana Jones movie. It was reported that women in the theatre aborted their progeny out of fear some of what was said in the movie might seep into their kid's brains.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (lVGED)

9 7 Yeah,they always have to use the oversell.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (7W3wI)

10 I'll bet it sucks harder than a black hole.


And I already saw this once, when it was a corny HBO movie called "The Tuskegee Airmen".

Posted by: packsoldier at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (MIT63)

11 A young Jar Jar Binks makes a surprise appearance in the final sequence. I guarantee there won't be a dry eye in the house.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (tjfsr)

12 It will be a three hour lecture from Lucas on racism in 20th Century America. Gee, that hasn't been done yet has it?

I was never a Star Wars fanboy, so the only movie I've watched from Lucas that I liked was American Graffiti, and Francis Ford Coppola was his partner in that

Trivia bit: Paul LeMat's Deuce Coupe had the license plate THX-1138, the same as Lucas' first movie

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (Y+DPZ)

13 I've seen the trailers and the dialogue is ridiculous. Black men from the 1940's (or White, Yellow, Purple men, etc.) did not speak that way. He the fu*k wrote this POS?

Posted by: billygoat at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (+zWnc)

14 Lt. Jar-Jar Binks, reporting for duty, sir!

Posted by: t-bird at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (FcR7P)

15 Has anyone else noticed the comments section @ ZeroHedge Has turned into the comments section of Stormfront ?

Posted by: Nightmare for ZeroHedge & Luap Nor at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (sJKFk)

16 The 1995 movie wasn't that bad. Maybe Lucas just wanted another genre to take a dump on.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (X/+QT)

17 Is this the movie Red Tails, that's essentially a Tuskeegee Airmen remake? I love that story.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (dZ756)

18 I'm pretty sure the only reason he had trouble selling this film is because everybody knows that George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM).

Posted by: njlibertarian at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (R79sT)

19 And if it's true -- my goodness, does this mean liberal Hollywood is racist?

Yes. And chock-full of pedofiles.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (HtUdo)

20 He the fu*k wrote this POS?


Posted by: billygoat at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM (+zWnc)
WHO

Posted by: billygoat at January 11, 2012 06:14 PM (+zWnc)

21 More, including video, at Jon Stewart.
Why do you hate us, Ace?

Posted by: fluffy at January 11, 2012 06:14 PM (O6q63)

22 The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable. There is no way to justify it.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 11, 2012 06:14 PM (dZ756)

23 I even wrote it so the cast members would talk all authentic black and everything. You know, think Jar-Jar. Buncha fuckin racists, only like it when there's but one black guy in the whole galaxy who betrays the heroes.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 06:14 PM (KI/Ch)

24 15
Has anyone else noticed the comments section @ ZeroHedge Has turned into the comments section of Stormfront ?


Posted by: Nightmare for ZeroHedge Luap Nor at January 11, 2012 06:13 PM

They've been Raving Ronulans for the past year now. Where have you been?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (Y+DPZ)

25 >>>Is this the movie Red Tails, that's essentially a Tuskeegee Airmen remake? I love that story.

Yup. but an action movie version, which is fine by me.

In theory. Caveat: George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM).

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (nj1bB)

26 George Lucas Doesn't Know What The Hell He's Doing (TM)

Dude alt 0153 it is your friend.



See?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (0q2P7)

27 Umm... aren't all those Tyler Perry movies all black? How about anything Oprah is in? I mean, it's not like there has never been an all black (gasp!) movie out of Hollywood.

Also, if Hollywood can force some White Guilt (TM) on the world, they would love to.

So for Hollywood to pass, my guess this is.. tres terrible.

Posted by: shibumi at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (z63Tr)

28

So did Hollywood people say "We don't know how to market a film with an
all-black cast" just to be nice, to avoid saying "We've heard that
George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)"?
So Hollyweird didn't know how to market any of these films? How did Hollyweird market How Stella Got Her Groove Back, or Coming to America, or the Barbershop movies...so on and so forth.


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (UR5vq)

29 "Luke, I am your father"
"N**ga please!"

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (m/zBH)

30 The movie going public has long been demanding a remake of The Tuskegee Airmen, set to a Stomp The Yard sensibility.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (+lsX1)

31 If Hollywood won't support a movie about black aviators fighting a zombie menace instigated by aliens, then they've lost their way.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (lVGED)

32 It really doesn't matter what color the cast is unless you are a liberal.
Is he trying to say that even though the movie has an all black cast, they don't act black enough, so black people won't be interested in it and white people are all racists, so the won't go see it either?


Posted by: TC at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (ygAxO)

33 Wait...they (Hollywood) blamed the foreigners...

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (r2PLg)

34 "Hollywood won't finance my movie"
So, George Lucas Who Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)is broke and can't finance his own movie?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (d0Tfm)

35 We changed the world, one bitch session at a time...

Posted by: Split Tails at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (Qjh0I)

36 15
Has anyone else noticed the comments section @ ZeroHedge Has turned into the comments section of Stormfront ?
I tend not to read the comments over there. I just glance at the stories and go from there. The comments seem to be from people who are... what is the word? Kind of "insane."

Posted by: shibumi at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (z63Tr)

37 Look, a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure we can market. A George Lucas film? Not so much.

Posted by: Liberal Hollywood at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (FcR7P)

38 22
The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable. There is no way to justify it.


Posted by: SFGoth at January 11, 2012 06:14 PM

We can think of worse

Posted by: Asian Americans in WW II at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (Y+DPZ)

39
Weren't there black ewoks?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:17 PM (QMtmy)

40 We can think of worse


Posted by: Asian Americans in WW II at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM (Y+DPZ)Ummmmmm, hello.

Posted by: Indian Americans at January 11, 2012 06:17 PM (+zWnc)

41 "The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable. There is no way to justify it."

Agreed, but that treatment also spared them from Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, et al. For what that is worth. There was the Port Chicago explosion, too.

Posted by: navybrat at January 11, 2012 06:17 PM (ELpBj)

42 So will the movie have a long speech in it, with heavy cartoonish Japanese accents, about trade embargoes and shit?

Posted by: wooga at January 11, 2012 06:18 PM (vjyZP)

43 Our opposition to this movie is that is being sold as a history changing turning point in the war, but totally ignores the contributions of our grandsires.

Posted by: Grandsons/daughters of the Transgender Gay Gypsy Communists Concern Group at January 11, 2012 06:18 PM (JVEmw)

44 38
22
The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable. There is no way to justify it.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 11, 2012 06:14 PMWe can think of worse

As Muslims. no one has gone through the suffering we have, infidel pigs, who deserve to die!

Posted by: CAIR at January 11, 2012 06:18 PM (z63Tr)

45 Isnt it kind of racist Mace Windu got the Purple Lightsaber?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 11, 2012 06:19 PM (m/zBH)

46 Dude alt 0153 it is your friend. Fucking formatting! How does it work?

Posted by: Insane Clown Webmaster at January 11, 2012 06:19 PM (O6q63)

47 Caveat: George Lucas Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)

The problem isn't that he doesn't know what he's doing. It's that he now refuses to listen to those that do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:19 PM (0q2P7)

48 May the motherfuckin force be wit you

Posted by: Mace L. Windu at January 11, 2012 06:20 PM (KI/Ch)

49 I feel that terms like “sexual assault” get in the way of this wonderful physical connection we have every time I drug you.

Posted by: Hollywood at January 11, 2012 06:20 PM (I2LwF)

50 George Lucas presents :

The Tuskegee Airman vs. The Woolworth's Lunch Counter

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:21 PM (lVGED)

51 I went to go see "War Whores" but all they had was "War Horse". It was magical.

Posted by: The Lone Lemon at January 11, 2012 06:21 PM (xXhWA)

52 He should make a movie with a black cast but for one white guy. And then make the white guy like rich and successful, but like NOT because his wife is unhappy and he can't connect with his kid.

And then you drop him into the wacky world of black people when something happens at work or something. So, he's like a fish-out-of-water, right? And he's all scared and like, Hey, don't rob and kill me, here's my wallet. And it bewilders and annoys the black people because they're disadvantaged business owners and/or trying to save the community center and they're like, Hey, that's racist - just because we're black we rob people? Dayumm!

And then he learns all kinds of slangy, street wisdom from the black people and it makes him more attractive to his wife and his kids think he's cool and he makes out with his wife in front of everyone and the blacks are like, Yeeeeah! Get dat! That's my boyeee!

I'd pay to see a movie like that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 11, 2012 06:21 PM (l9zgN)

53 Isnt it kind of racist Mace Windu got the Purple Lightsaber?

Actually Jackson requested that it be purple.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:21 PM (QMtmy)

54 So will the movie have a long speech in it, with heavy cartoonish Japanese accents, about trade embargoes and shit?

I sense. I sense an action movie with a lot of sitting and talking and action scenes where you never get the sense that anyone is in danger. I have foreseen it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:22 PM (0q2P7)

55 The 14th Amendment requires Hollywood studios to take this movie. Otherwise a caste or second-class movies would be created.

All of your studios are belong to us.

Posted by: Equal Rights Amendment at January 11, 2012 06:22 PM (x7g7t)

56 So when he says "all black cast," does he mean "Shia LeBouf in blackface?"

Posted by: The Q at January 11, 2012 06:22 PM (LnQhT)

57 The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable.

Yeah, at least we still get to vote.

Posted by: WWI Veterans at January 11, 2012 06:22 PM (FcR7P)

58 Market patronizing crap to black people, bomb will you.

Posted by: Yoda at January 11, 2012 06:22 PM (tjfsr)

59
Stormtroopers with firehoses vs. Ewoks: The Squeakuel

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:23 PM (QMtmy)

60 I like the part where the one black guy is all like, "ahhh yeah Hitler, take that you mufuckin bitch!" and the other black guy is all like, "that's how we do son!" Portraying them as fighter pilots is totally going to shatter racial stereotypes.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 06:23 PM (+lsX1)

61 34

"Hollywood won't finance my movie"
So, George Lucas Who Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)is broke and can't finance his own movie?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM

Very few of them self-finance. Most submit the script to the studio's feature estimation department who submit a figure to the banks that put together the syndication line of credit

It appears that he's already made the movie, but he's bitching that the studio wouldn't pony up for the considerable marketing expenses



Posted by: Asian Americans in WW II at January 11, 2012 06:23 PM (Y+DPZ)

62 ak ak ... ak ak ak! http://tinyurl.com/7quzfme

Posted by: Errol at January 11, 2012 06:23 PM (vewos)

63 Shia LeBouf in blackface TM

Posted by: The Q at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (LnQhT)

64 56
So when he says "all black cast," does he mean "Shia LeBouf in blackface?"

He'll change the race of everybody to black post-production.

Amazing what one can do with a green screen and some computer power.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (UR5vq)

65 It is a fricking video game, nothing else.

Posted by: 1sttofight at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (A7kPj)

66 I'd rather roll around in a medical garbage bin of herpes infested needles than see another George Lucas movie.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (JsvKz)

67 Posted by: Indian Americans at January 11, 2012 06:17 PM (+zWnc)


Shut up and get me my Slurpeetm.

Posted by: Indigenous Americans at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (84pE9)

68 Will Ron Paul says that the sale of red tail action toys at McDs is an affront to FREEDOM™

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (UIE9v)

69 Ace, I think the WWI movie you're trying to recall was called "Flyboys." The dogfight sequences were fine, but the cast and story was lame. Like "Pearl Harbor."

Actually, the action sequences in Pearl were quite too "video game," and the trailer for "Red Tails" makes it look like that film will also suffer from digital effect grandiosity.

Good personal news: my employ has lifted the Ironport lockout of AoS HQ. Figured out it's a smart military blog, and not a gambling site.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at January 11, 2012 06:24 PM (HbWhE)

70 Being a little niggardly with your praise ace.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 11, 2012 06:25 PM (jucos)

71 Harry Plinkett did tell us that George Lucas did a lousy job with all his recent movies. But in other reviews, Harry Plinkett did talk about the increasing importance of foreign movie sales.


George Lucas made the claim that this is an expensive movie, and the studios think that the foreign receipts will be close to zero, so they don't think it will make money. They don't know how to market this thing to make money. GL said that most "black" movies are low-budget and can easily make back their budget in the USA only, but in this case it's a high-budget movie. So it might suck, but my BS detector isn't going off wildly on these particular claims.

Posted by: steveha at January 11, 2012 06:25 PM (TMG3G)

72 I sense that when Lucas says "corny," he means it to be old-fashioned in a good way and full of good vs. evil emotion, but what it actually means is "inept, implausible, leaden, and attempting and failing to be manipulative."

By the way: In his stupid star wars movies, he could not even choose a side-- he kept going out of his way to say that the Republic was no better than the Separtists.

And that's fantasy. He could make the bad guys as evil as he wanted.

But now he's doing a "jingoistic" movie.

Why?

Because George Bush isn't president, that's why. It's safe to be jingoistic again.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:26 PM (nj1bB)

73 makes it look like that film will also suffer from digital effect grandiosity.

Look even the dirt is clean!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:26 PM (0q2P7)

74 Saw an early screening back in December. The only good thing about this film is the aerial dogfights sequences. Those are beautiful. Everything else - characters, dialog, plot - is awful. Remind you of any other Lucas projects?

Posted by: General Scoundrel at January 11, 2012 06:26 PM (Xw+Kg)

75
Greedo shoots first ∴ U.S. bombs Japan first.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (QMtmy)

76 I went to go see "War Whores" but all they had was "War Horse". It was magical.

Do you have a 'script'? Give us a call.

Posted by: Vivid Productions at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (84pE9)

77 Ace:
Why not throw up the preview? I think there are 2 of them here's one.
Looks OK, kind of a tired story, but the effects will be good. Lots of 2 dimensional white people.

Posted by: Max Power is (Blech) taking a second look at Romney at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (q177U)

78 So will the movie have a long speech in it, with heavy cartoonish Japanese accents, about trade embargoes and shit?
And buck teeth and glasses?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (d0Tfm)

79 I mean "trailer"

Posted by: Max Power is (Blech) taking a second look at Romney at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (q177U)

80 >>>Saw an early screening back in December. The only good thing about this film is the aerial dogfights sequences. Those are beautiful. Everything else - characters, dialog, plot - is awful. Remind you of any other Lucas projects?

no because the action sequences in the star wars movies sucked too.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:27 PM (nj1bB)

81 >By the way: In his stupid star wars movies, he could not even choose a side..


No shit, right? Ididn't know who to root against so I rooted against the movie.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:28 PM (lVGED)

82 40
We can think of worse


Posted by: Asian Americans in WW II at January 11, 2012 06:16 PM
Ummmmmm, hello.


Posted by: Indian Americans at January 11, 2012 06:17 PM

Actually the American Indians served alongside whites in combat, as did Hispanics.

Pappy Boyington was a Sioux, and I don't think he bitched much about the treatment of Indians

In the 19th century, that was another story

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:28 PM (Y+DPZ)

83
I wonder how many Paul supporters really do smoke weed and how many support him for his weed position just because they believe it's beyond the scope of Government?
50-50 ?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 11, 2012 06:28 PM (Qjh0I)

84 Well, the only preview that I have seen had a guy pulling 927,812 G's to get onto the tail of a Me 262, so I'm going to spend MY movie money on this flick no matter what you say!

Posted by: Errol at January 11, 2012 06:29 PM (vewos)

85 This movie was already made a few years ago. Cuba Gooding Jr was in it too, as well as Lucas' remake. WTF?!?! Cuba can't let it go?!?! He has to be in two different movies about the same story?!?!


Posted by: EC at January 11, 2012 06:29 PM (R15UB)

86 70
Being a little niggardly with your praise ace.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 11, 2012 06:25 PM (jucos)
Ace's been that way for a coon's age...

Posted by: Slack-Jawed Yokel at January 11, 2012 06:30 PM (+zWnc)

87 with heavy cartoonish Japanese accents, about trade embargoes and shit?
Probably not. The 332nd served in the ETO, not the Pacific. Apparently, they were quite a formidable bomber escort.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2012 06:30 PM (K4B09)

88 The thing about the red tails is that the legend thereof has far exceeded the reality. And that's the reality, that there's a perception that there's been excessive puffery. And plus, hasn't this movie been made before?

Posted by: joeindc44 - fully stoked tebow crazed rioter at January 11, 2012 06:30 PM (QxSug)

89
This movie should have a white "Lando".
He can be a scoundrel and a shifty fellow.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:30 PM (QMtmy)

90 George Lucas didn't ruin my childhood - but Star Wars ruined him as a director. Seriously... everything he directed after that was garbage.

Posted by: weew at January 11, 2012 06:30 PM (OsyHS)

91


.....Sadder still was how Hollywood balked given the message Lucas was trying to convey.“I wanted to make it inspirational for teenaged boys. I wanted to show
that they have heroes, they’re real American heroes, they’re patriots
that helped to make the country what it is today. And it’s not glory
where you have a lot of white officers running these guys into cannon
fodder. It’s like a real, they were real heroes.”

And Hollywood said, "No."


Just remember that the next time some movie star or film director calls Republicans or members of the Tea Party racist.
Wasn't Woody Wilson the Uber Proglodite Hero the one who started segregation in the military.

Posted by: Proglodite at January 11, 2012 06:31 PM (sJKFk)

92 And plus, hasn't this movie been made before?

All movies out of Hollywood have been made before.

Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:31 PM (84pE9)

93 This is not a political thing, though I hate his politics. I'd toss him
$10 for a good movie -- I'm pretty sure he's got more than $10 in the
bank so my ticket wouldn't reward him that much.

That 10 bucks is going straight to Obama 2012 and the DNC

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:31 PM (Y+DPZ)

94 Not only does he not know what he's doing, he doesn't know the meaning of "all-black cast." Pretty sure I saw a couple of white people in the trailer.

Posted by: Ken Wheaton at January 11, 2012 06:31 PM (YxsNd)

95 This movie should have a white "Lando".He can be a scoundrel and a shifty fellow.
His name is George Lucas, did you bother to even read the article?

Posted by: Max Power is (Blech) taking a second look at Romney at January 11, 2012 06:32 PM (q177U)

96 OK so sorta out of context...

The foreigners are going to have that Golden Globe thing...

They'e going to tell you-

Midnight in Paris is wonderbar or something.

It sucks!

You know how you roll your eyes when Jon Huntman breaks out the Fu Man Chu talk-well...

Woody Allen breaks out the French screw the subtitles for you peasants..

So , shorter= go see that movie if you love Huntsman Debate Chinese....

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:32 PM (r2PLg)

97 In the 19th century, that was another story


Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:28 PM (Y+DPZ)
They were also used as code breakers -- the Army needed them....after that?...back to the reservation !

Posted by: billygoat at January 11, 2012 06:32 PM (+zWnc)

98 I've seen the trailer for the movie -- it looks terrible. Awful CGI and the lead actor, who is the guy who plays Iron Man's buddy, makes Keenu Reeves look like Laurence Olivier.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM (5H6zj)

99 George Lucas clearly Doesn't Know What He's Doing™. A movie about a black cast? And airplanes?

And not one mo'fricken' snake? I mean, does he think these things through?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM (Jdtsu)

100 In his stupid star wars movies, he could not even choose a side

Playing SWTOR;
The Republic was fighting Separatists. I'm a smuggler, I get a mission for pay. Recover stolen medicine the Republic needs for dying soldiers.

Hitch

It was stolen by someone who was using it for dying civilians. Then stolen a second time from them.

If you get the medicine back and give it to the soldiers you are awarded dark side points.

That one pushed my buttons. I had to file a complaint about content.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM (0q2P7)

101 OK I think my OJ is fermented..


pay -per-view that movie if you love Huntsman..

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM (r2PLg)

102 I wish Hollywood would make a movie with an all lesbian cast.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM (lVGED)

103 "It's a trap!"

- Admiral Ackbar on seeing George Lucas movies.

Posted by: The Q at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM (LnQhT)

104 And it’s not glory
where you have a lot of white officers running these guys into cannon
fodder. It’s like a real, they were real heroes.”

Right there tells you what Lucas' storyline is

White officers = evil

Black flyers = holy

Special effects and dogfights = puts asses in the seats


Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM (Y+DPZ)

105 Very few of them self-finance.
I know, but I woulda thought that after all the money that George Lucas Who Doesn't Know What He's Doing (TM)made,he could easily finance it himself.
I thought only the The Big Guy had more money than GLWDKWHD (TM).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM (d0Tfm)

106 OK what happened to the hot elf chick from the D and D thread?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM (OO96t)

107 The Tuskegee Airman vs. The Woolworth's Lunch Counter
Starring Agent Jack Smith as the brave Federal regulator on a one man quest to end 1960's racism in America, despite horrific violence and intimidation from legions of racist Libertarians.

Posted by: Entropy at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM (Ci0JG)

108 It wasn't easy finding a natural way to work cuddly but feisty fur people into a WWII script, but I think the audience will appreciate the emotion an comic relief that they add to the story.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (tjfsr)

109 How 'bout this-

what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (r2PLg)

110 the legend thereof has far exceeded the reality
They did lose planes being escorted...~25. Still an enviable performance.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (K4B09)

111 White officers = evilBlack flyers = holySpecial effects and dogfights = puts asses in the seats

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:34 PM

Hey, that Lucas is stealing my ideas!

Posted by: James Fuckin' Cameron at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (Y+DPZ)

112 I particularly like the part where Hayek makes a cameo and admits that whole 'Road to Serfdom' thing was really a referance about how we were losing control of the darkies.

Posted by: Entropy at January 11, 2012 06:36 PM (Ci0JG)

113 I mean how much worse can this movie be than-

The Watchmen?

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:36 PM (r2PLg)

114 All movies out of Hollywood have been made before.
Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:31 PM (84pE9)
I have a prized collection of Laurel and Hardy movies that are far funnier and much more entertaining than anything Hollywood has produced in quite some time.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 06:37 PM (+ePlO)

115

exactly like 'Flying Leathernecks' only this one was held up for release from 1942 when it was shot, ...

Doesn't Know What He Is Doing.

If there had been a contemporary Tuskeegee movie, it would have been filmed in 1944 or 1945 since all the big action scenes would have been based on events from '44 or '45.
Lucas doesn't even know the history of his own movie - Doesn't Know What He Is Doing.

BTW, based on the Tuskeegee episode of History Channel's Dogfight there are ASSKICKING true action scenes possible. I have no idea what crap Lucas might put up

If you saw the dogfight episode - I want to see the low altitude fight over the lake. One of the Tuskegee guys pulled off something like a Death Blossom move (Last starfighter)

Posted by: Comrade T at January 11, 2012 06:37 PM (CLIf7)

116 OK what happened to the hot elf chick from the D and D thread?

Wait, what? What did I miss?

Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (84pE9)

117 >>what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?



Moneyball was good.


Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (lVGED)

118 And it’s not glory
where you have a lot of white officers running these guys into cannon
fodder. It’s like a real, they were real heroes.”

Did he really say that? Has he seen Glory? The company in Glory was all pissed off because they never got to fight. They fought for the right to fight. And there officer was gunned down with the unit once they got a combat role.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (0q2P7)

119
This will be the greatest box office success since Amistad!

Posted by: All Things Considered at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (7+pP9)

120
He got Bea Arthur for the Star Wars Christmas Special.

Is Aunt Esther still around?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (QMtmy)

121 For what it's worth, I've received a half-dozen e-mail invitations for screenings of this film -- more than any film I can recall. And I've seen free screenings advertised in the NY Daily News.

Unsure of the meaning, if any.

Posted by: Aunt Ralph In NYC at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (SF+WZ)

122 >>>OK what happened to the hot elf chick from the D and D thread?

I deleted it, because usually someone complains and says "take down my proprietary picture" and I felt like pre-empting that.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (nj1bB)

123 Moneyball...?


I gotta go to the googles...

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (r2PLg)

124 Maggie Mac quotes

-I think girls are pretty but that doesn't mean I am a thespian!

-I am going to see my favorite band tonight so I am just full of excrement!

-Im not a slut, but that doesn't mean I'm celebrate!

-My farrier said he only had horse... who wants a coat made out of horse?

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (RfvTE)

125 The only good thing about this film is the aerial dogfights sequences. Those are beautiful.
Really? Because if the trailer is any indication, the aerial combat sequences look like shit to me.
The sort of physically impossible crap you see in sci-fi/fantasy is ok, but this is supposed to be believable.
Unfortunately the trailer footage just looks like his sci-fi fantasy crap with a WWII skin.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (rX1N2)

126 I wonder if there will be a white guy that totally tries to sabotage their efforts because he's a racist dick, but then at a later time he finds himself bested by their talents and publicly humiliated. I think something like that might really offer a lesson we could all learn from.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (+lsX1)

127 Hey, that Lucas is stealing my ideas!
The production of Howard Hugh's Hell's Angels trumps anything that came after it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM (K4B09)

128 what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?
Haven't been able to afford a movie in years, but the last really good one I saw was the final Matrix movie.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:40 PM (d0Tfm)

129 I have no idea what crap Lucas might put up


The same stuff he put into Star Wars. He admitted that he based the dogfights on WWII style dogfights.

Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:40 PM (84pE9)

130 OK what happened to the hot elf chick from the D and D thread?



I deleted it, because usually someone complains and says "take down my proprietary picture" and I felt like pre-empting that.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:39 PM

I thought maybe you were just being touchy about the pointy elbows comments

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:41 PM (Y+DPZ)

131 OK....that actually looks interesting.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:41 PM (r2PLg)

132 Wait, what? What did I miss?

According to Carnifex, she's from a NSFW site called WhoreLore.

The things I learn on this blog.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:41 PM (bjRNS)

133 This is crap, but then again, 99% of everything Hollywood has released in the last ten years has been crap.

100% of TV in the last 30 years has been crap.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2012 06:42 PM (YdQQY)

134 what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?
Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (r2PLg)
Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneek in.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 11, 2012 06:42 PM (HyZHp)

135 Amen to that 'Dogfight' Episode with the Tuskegee Airmen.

This movie is right in my wheelhouse and I'm not likely to pay to see it in the theater because of the Oh So Perfect bon mots and Preachifying.

Part of what made "Glory" a great movie was that Morgan Freeman, among others, hadn't leveled up into Full Wise Man status.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 06:42 PM (h6mPj)

136 Oh....good.....another Ace movie review coming. *cough*

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 06:42 PM (qHiQk)

137 what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:35 PM (r2PLg)

Excalibur original release.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 06:43 PM (h6mPj)

138 I deleted it, because usually someone complains and says "take down my proprietary picture" and I felt like pre-empting that.
Some people just can't stand any criticism of pointy elbows.
Or ears.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:43 PM (d0Tfm)

139 Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneek in.

*****


The Sting? ...heh...

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:43 PM (r2PLg)

140 Unfortunately the trailer footage just looks like his sci-fi fantasy crap with a WWII skin.

IOW, Star Wars.

According to Carnifex, she's from a NSFW site called WhoreLore.

@ work, will not Yahoo.

Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:43 PM (84pE9)

141 Last movie I paid to see was 300. That was quite a while ago.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2012 06:44 PM (K4B09)

142 Part of what made "Glory" a great movie was that Morgan Freeman, among others, hadn't leveled up into Full Wise Man status.

Holy carp. You haven't seen that movie in a while, have you? Dude had the full-on superguru thing going on, from the instant he showed up in a halo to wake up Broderick from the dead at Antietam.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:44 PM (bjRNS)

143 Haven't been able to afford a movie in years, but the last really good one I saw was the final Matrix movie.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:40 PM

Was that the one with Groucho Matrix?

Posted by: Meggie Mac on Film at January 11, 2012 06:44 PM (Y+DPZ)

144 Terrence Howard. Yummy.

Other than that, the movie looks boring and there seemed to be a lot of overacting. Plus I don't like war/spy/military movies anyway, so I'll pass.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 06:44 PM (21lBC)

145 but the last really good one I saw was the final Matrix movie.

****

Shoot I missed this one.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:44 PM (r2PLg)

146 So finance it yourself, George, and take all the profits. People with a lot less money than you have done the same.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (T2/zQ)

147 I didn't know that there were slaves that were fighter pilots. What about their chains?
You'd think they would teach a course about this in The Young Pioneers Public Education System.
After all what are tax dollars for?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (HBqDo)

148 held up for release from 1942 when it was shot,

Pearl Harbor was Dec 7th, 1941. Were we doing much in 1942 other than re-grouping and interring Japanese?

Posted by: t-bird at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (FcR7P)

149 Rent the "Battle of Britain" for a dogfight fix. Real planes plus some model work.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (DNTer)

150 Warrior was also very good.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (lVGED)

151 29 "de-Luke, I am your father""N**ga please!"
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 11, 2012 06:15 PM (m/zBH)

FIFY

Posted by: tamika looking for baby-daddy at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (SPVfc)

152 My wife wants us to go see that new movie with Ton Hanks and Sandra Bulluck (sp, IDC).

Uggghh.

Posted by: CUS at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (84pE9)

153
Was Michael Vick in this "dogfight scene"? Just askin'.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 11, 2012 06:45 PM (QMtmy)

154 Oh so true story...

Terrence Howard followed this guy for Iron Man...

Guy told us all terrence Howard did was whine about his women troubles...

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:46 PM (r2PLg)

155 100% of TV in the last 30 years has been crap.

Oh yeah, I Love Lucy Gunsmoke were so much better than Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy. My Three Sons was the goddamned height of entertainment.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 06:46 PM (+lsX1)

156 Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneek in.

Bingo. Debbie Does Dallas

Posted by: t-bird at January 11, 2012 06:47 PM (FcR7P)

157 We were still getting our asses kicked through most of 42'

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2012 06:47 PM (K4B09)

158 See the line? Try not crossing it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:47 PM (lVGED)

159 Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneek in.

The Outlaw by Hughes?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (0q2P7)

160 Did he really say that? Has he seen Glory? The company in Glory was all pissed off because they never got to fight. They fought for the right to fight. And there officer was gunned down with the unit once they got a combat role.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:38 PM (0q2P7)

Glory is one of the best Civil War movies to come out. I did enjoy it.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (qHiQk)

161 And I already saw this once, when it was a corny HBO movie called "The Tuskegee Airmen".

That reminds me of the bile in my throat as I sat through my daughters college graduation address as I, the white devil incarnate, had to listen to how some government peeps -- decades before and without my knowledge or consent -- had conducted some research on blacks. I took the overly prolonged denouncement, that I could not respond to in a socially acceptable manner, while wondering why in the hell I had spent tens of thousands of dollars on my daughters education only to be lectured to by someone whose ancestors were sold into slavery by their own people, with anything other then humor. Every piece of communication that college has sent to her at my address since that day -- every single one -- has in some way requested money in some way. They have all been routinely filed in the circular file.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (phlKA)

162 Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneak in...
****

Oh crap...

Emmanuelle?

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (r2PLg)

163 We were still getting our asses kicked through most of 42'

Speak for yourself.

Posted by: Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (84pE9)

164 Maybe we can get The Black Republican to come in and call ace a "hack blogger" when he puts up his review and watch the Ewok go apeshit again.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (rX1N2)

165 109

I liked the last few Sherlock Holmes movies.

Posted by: The Q at January 11, 2012 06:49 PM (LnQhT)

166 On second thought how could this possibly be worse than a movie about Pearl Harbor with Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett?
But no one would be stupid enough to put garbage like that on film.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2012 06:49 PM (HBqDo)

167 Yeah, but those guys couldn't eat at the diner. I am sure we will be reminded.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 11, 2012 06:49 PM (hXJOG)

168 Here's a clue: I was 16 and still had to sneek in.

Oh it's probably Clockwork Orange. It's one of the few X rated films (Now NC-17) to get general release of any age.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:49 PM (0q2P7)

169 Glad to see people using this thread as an excuse to drop "n*gger" and "coon" jokes.

Betcha guys have had those building up for months now, eh?

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 11, 2012 06:50 PM (hIWe1)

170 I had to sneak in to see Blazing Saddles.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:50 PM (lVGED)

171 There's a difference (to me) between wise-man shots, like with Broderick at Antietam, but he didn't then say "The blood that is sown on this field will be reaped by the whirlwind of justice" or some such crap.

Based on 'Red Tails' trailer, Every.Damn.Pilot. is going to get quippy with it.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 06:50 PM (h6mPj)

172 Pearl Harbor was Dec 7th, 1941. Were we doing much in 1942 other than re-grouping and interring Japanese?

Guadalcanal and Midway were both in '42, so the Japanese only really ran wild about six months.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:51 PM (bjRNS)

173 what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?
Everest on IMAX.
I don't know what happened but I can't do fiction anymore. I used to be an avid reader and moviegoer but about ten years ago or so, I just gave it up.
I think part of it was some experiences I've had in my travels which confirmed the old cliche that truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
So anywho, carry on. Just my centavos.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 06:51 PM (+ePlO)

174 At the National WW2 Museum we are engaged in a Red Tail project. We need your help, mainly donations to make it happen.

We have bought a p-51, but now need to raise money to rehab and exhibit the plane properly.

www.nationalww2museum.org

Posted by: Jeff at January 11, 2012 06:51 PM (qkzQ/)

175 If the CGI is in anyway accurate, American aviation technology has been in constant decline since the 1940s.

Anywho, the looks like a CW black comedy combined with Star Wars aircraft.

I look forward to dialog like-

"Luke, I am your baby-daddy!"

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM (XBdI0)

176 Ace Combat 4 looked better than the CGI in this....and it's a PS2 title from 2001.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u9spvr.jpg

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM (G99e4)

177 Shoot I missed this one.
Yeah, the first one was so good, I got suckered into the other two. The last one was kinda anticlimactic, but the special effects were great on the big screen. That series worked on many levels for me, even spiritially in a way (dying and thenbeing reborn, Neo having come before six times [don't go there...] and maybe coming back, living in a false world with the real world waiting for you), it was hard to resist the rest.
Come to think of it, that was just about the last original movie to come out of Hollyweird.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM (d0Tfm)

178 OK assholes, how about if I remake American Graffiti but with an all Asian cast, would THAT make you happy?

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM (Y+DPZ)

179 When did some decide that Terrence Howard was a good actor? He's been playing the same character for twenty years and still can't sell it.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 11, 2012 06:53 PM (GZitp)

180 I don't recall how long they had, but I know what the Japanese soldiers did in Australia, Philippines, and China was unspeakably awful.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 06:53 PM (RfvTE)

181 They were an adequate outfit, and earned none of the hype some idiots have made over them

They did lose bombers, and shot down an average number of Luftwaffe fighters. The movie looks like another combo of lies and bullshit

Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 06:53 PM (UqKQV)

182 My TWO centavos, that is. I speak Spanish! I'm bi-linguini!

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 06:53 PM (+ePlO)

183
I don't recall how long they had, but I know what the Japanese soldiers
did in Australia, Philippines, and China was unspeakably awful.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 06:53 PM (RfvTE)
well, they never showed up in Australia.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 06:54 PM (z1N6a)

184 OT: Militant Quaker Starts Shooting At Cops In Alabama.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2012 06:54 PM (VMcEw)

185 >>>That reminds me of the bile in my throat as I sat through my daughters college graduation address as I, the white devil incarnate, had to listen to how some government peeps -- decades before and without my knowledge or consent -- had conducted some research on blacks. I took the overly prolonged denouncement, that I could not respond to in a socially acceptable manner, while wondering why in the hell I had spent tens of thousands of dollars on my daughters education only to be lectured to by someone whose ancestors were sold into slavery by their own people, with anything other then humor.

Talk about Political Correctness.

I mean You.

This stuff happened, Dummy. I know you don't want to hear about it, but your whining about having to HEAR about what other people actually went through is ridiculous.

Talk about entitlement.

Yes, the Tuskegee Experiment was real.

a lot of people not only want a disneyfied view of history, but they are shameless about it, and kind of arrogant about it, to boot. They're actually angry if someone mentions that maybe some white people at one time did something untoward to someone black.

Grow up. Life's not Disney.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:54 PM (nj1bB)

186 Anywho, the looks like a CW black comedy combined with Star Wars aircraft.



I look forward to dialog like-



"Luke, I am your baby-daddy!"





Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM

Tyler Perry's "Meet the Luftwaffe"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (Y+DPZ)

187 I don't know what happened

Hollywood took a hard left turn and hit the rocket booster? Then after about 3 films exhausted the whole of liberal ideology that made any sort of sense and just started remaking those three films over and over. Is that what happened?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (0q2P7)

188 Speak for yourself.


Posted by: Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle at January 11, 2012 06:48 PM (84pE9)
Yeah, I was stuck in China, but I did have a V8.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (hXJOG)

189 They were an adequate outfit, and earned none of the hype some idiots have made over them

Yeah. The narrative for them is really the same as the narrative for Glory -- black unit overcomes white resistance to actually fight. They didn't have to be great. Just average (which means better than half of the "white" units).

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (bjRNS)

190 Good God, the whining I just heard. And "bile."

You were oppressed right there hearing about it, huh?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (nj1bB)

191 Everest on IMAX.

I don't know what happened but I can't do fiction anymore. I used to be an avid reader and moviegoer but about ten years ago or so, I just gave it up.


****

Ya, I can see that.

******

Shoot maybe the question should be-

worst movie you ever saw?

I actually walked out of -

The Spirit

something about Samuel L. Jackson and Scarlett Johansson dressed up in Nazi porn regalia singing about Hitler while pretending to be a dentist and his nursing assistant....


gawd.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:56 PM (r2PLg)

192 OK assholes, how about if I remake American Graffiti but with an all Asian cast, would THAT make you happy?

I thought that was Clint's Gran Torino?

Posted by: Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle at January 11, 2012 06:56 PM (84pE9)

193 Ron Paul probably gets wood from that scene though.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:57 PM (r2PLg)

194 Gentlemen -

This is the visual standard for WWII era fighter work

It's not that high.

and it .. is ... awesome.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 06:57 PM (h6mPj)

195 If the CGI is in anyway accurate, American aviation technology has been in constant decline since the 1940s.







Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2012 06:52 PM (XBdI0)
I like how the planes wings move at random at wingtip distances. That's a good way to collide.The 'video game' CGI from Dogfight is just as good, and they have actual pilots giving commentary. Buy the DVD for the same money as a movie.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 06:57 PM (z1N6a)

196 Jeff B., you need to get over yourself. I say this with love.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 06:57 PM (21lBC)

197 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 06:55 PM (0q2P7)
Yeah, that was a substantial part of it. The other part was realizing that the beauty of humanity and nature was all around me and I didn't anyone to script it and photograph it for me.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 06:58 PM (+ePlO)

198 The Spirit was maybe the worst movie I've seen since the Star Wars movies.

What was Frank Miller thinking?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (nj1bB)

199 worst movie you ever saw?

Back when I was working as a projectionist, Nothing But Trouble. That movie was so bad that I had to move it from the biggest screen to the smallest on Saturday morning.

I'm glad my instincts were right about The Spirit. That movie should've been right in my wheelhouse, but something about the previews made me know better.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (bjRNS)

200 I don't know what any of this has to do with Bain Capital or Barry Goldwater's position on Jimmy Crack Crow, but if someone will tell me what the True Conservative is supposed to think, I'll think it.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (Gc/Qi)

201 Meesa gonna fly a Mwus-tang!

Posted by: 2LT Jar Jar Binks at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (7JrOh)

202 Memphis Belle wasn't bad as far as WWII Air Corps movies go.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (PddVe)

203 Ace,

Lucas didn't write or direct this one, so there is every possibility that it will be good.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (nN28y)

204

Yes, the Tuskegee Experiment was real.

And I hope you spend hours every day hanging your head in shame. Because you're obviously of age that should feel responsible in some fashion. Or your children, and then their children, and then their children's children should have that yolk hung around their neck.

It should never end, because people should never be able to say, "Don't blame that shit on me."

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (phlKA)

205 @Oldcat

Not sure, where the confusion lies but the Japanese most certainly attacked Australia.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (RfvTE)

206 Come to think of it, that was just about the last original movie to come out of Hollyweird.

*****

BackwardsBoy...

When you get a chance, from your write up of The Matrix series -it sounds like you might like-

Inception.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (r2PLg)

207 This place cracks me up.

No liberal like Lucas knows what they are doing, but we make the best capitalists, filmmakers, authors, engineers, inventors, etc.

Then confronted with this obvious contradiction, a conservative launches into implausible denial - "But Warren Buffett is not a capitalist! He is really a socialist!".

Posted by: Clarence at January 11, 2012 07:01 PM (z0HdK)

208 A Soldier's Story was great WWII movie with almost all-black cast. It starred Denzel Washington and the late Howard Rollins Jr. Not a lot of action but it was excellent. It was about racism, but things weren't so...ahem...black and white.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:01 PM (T2/zQ)

209 Ah, Lucas going for the Urban Market.
Anyone have a pizza roll?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 11, 2012 07:02 PM (BvTwT)

210 My new movie, Tuskegee Rapmen, they sing while the fly.

Featuring Granddad Snoop and his smoking hot pot pilots.

Special appearance by Bernie Jonesberg, the only Black Jew in the army air force, taking on those racist Nazi's.

Not to be missed!

Posted by: Geroge Lucas at January 11, 2012 07:02 PM (hXJOG)

211 207 This place cracks me up.No liberal like Lucas knows what they are doing, but we make the best capitalists, filmmakers, authors, engineers, inventors, etc.Then confronted with this obvious contradiction, a conservative launches into implausible denial - "But Warren Buffett is not a capitalist! He is really a socialist!".
Posted by: Clarence at January 11, 2012 07:01 PM (z0HdK)
Something about "some animals are more equal than others" comes to mind.
So suck on that you idiotic knobgobbler.

Posted by: buzzion at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (GULKT)

212 I was supposed to be in this, had uniform fittings, all ready to rock, then got a case of shingles on my neck and had to cxl, real bummer

Posted by: mbruce at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (Fr8N6)

213 I don't think you could screw up the tuskeege airman story

Posted by: robtr at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (MtwBb)

214 As a pilot there's very few aviation movies I can tolerate. I spend most of the movie rolling my eyes at the inaccuracies, both technical and the portrayal of how pilots talk and act.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (GZitp)

215 Nothing But Trouble. That movie was so bad that I had to move it from the biggest screen to the smallest on Saturday morning.

******

Oh I'm off to the googles to look that up...

I'm glad my instincts were right about The Spirit. That movie should've been right in my wheelhouse, but something about the previews made me know better.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 06:59 PM (burns)

********

One of the guys that was with us said...

Hey I'm into Eve Mendes ass-but I can't take any more of this...

Boom! we were outta there....

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (r2PLg)

216 Do not forget to watch for footage of f16s escorting air force on over nyc. I would look myself but there is no way I am paying to see this.

Posted by: yankeefifth at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (loM0R)

217 I just hope that one black pilot with the pretty young wife and newborn at home doesn't have to sacrifice himself in an act of heroism that saves the mission just at the last moment. Something like that would be such a tearjerker and really bring home the true cost of war.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (+lsX1)

218 George Lucas proved he could write black characters with Jar Jar Binks.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (X3KAb)

219 No liberal like Lucas knows what they are doing, but we make the best
capitalists, filmmakers, authors, engineers, inventors, etc.

It's actually kinda tragic. You hear the riot act that Steve Jobs read Barack Obama, and you realize that super-smart doesn't mean self-aware. Jobs was a Democrat because San Franciscans are Democrats, not because he necessarily believed the same stuff they did.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (bjRNS)

220 Ace, thanks for posting that. Sure, the race card has been so overplayed that it's now in tatters, and affirmative action sucks. But that doesn't mean there weren't horrific atrocities committed against blacks in this country's history. Heck, it wasn't that long ago blacks didn't have the same rights as others in this country. I can't imagine what it must have been like to live in that era.

And even if some Africans sold their people into slavery that does not excuse the vile acts of the slave traders.

The great thing about America Is that despite that history, it has become the country that offers the most opportunity to anyone of any heritage.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (21lBC)

221 208 Great movie.I believe the investigating officer character was based on Jackie Robinson.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (7W3wI)

222 214 As a pilot there's very few aviation movies I can tolerate. I spend most of the movie rolling my eyes at the inaccuracies, both technical and the portrayal of how pilots talk and act.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 11, 2012 07:03 PM (GZitp)

Roger that! I 10-4 you on that one, Goose.

Out.

Posted by: dan-O at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (sWycd)

223 @Oldcat

Not sure, where the confusion lies but the Japanese most certainly attacked Australia.


Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (RfvTE)
Some air raids on Port Darwin, months after the war was going on. They also hit Ceylon. They needed boots on the ground for the real nasty stuff.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:05 PM (z1N6a)

224 >>>And I hope you spend hours every day hanging your head in shame. Because you're obviously of age that should feel responsible in some fashion. Or your children, and then their children, and then their children's children should have that yolk hung around their neck.


You're the one who's defensive about it. I'm not defensive about it. It happened -- it's a fact. Draw whatever lesson you like, but facts is facts, Jack.

What I don't get is your politically correct sense of entitlement that you want history actively censored to not put you on the defensive or discomfit you.

I didn't do the Tuskegee Experiment, so I have no guilt about it. But I also don't think it needs to be suppressed.

It happened. A lot of bad shit has happened. White people did a bunch of it.

But just because I'm white doesn't make me responsible for other white people. There is no racial justice nor racial responsibility.

You talk as if you take it to heart, that it burns deep in your bosom, that a member of the White Race done something wrong.

So what? Jeffrey Dahmer was white.

How about stop thinking in terms of race like that if you want others to stop, too?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:05 PM (nj1bB)

225 O/T. Today is the 25th anniversary of "The Drive" in Cleveland. One of my favorites.

Posted by: Ronster at January 11, 2012 07:05 PM (JGYCE)

226
I don't think you could screw up the tuskeege airman story

I'll take a shot.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 07:05 PM (84pE9)

227 @100:

If you get the medicine back and give it to the soldiers you are awarded dark side points.
Just did that quest yesterday on my trooper, and yeah, thought that was a little messed up. It's dark side to save the life of your *fellow soldiers*?

Similarly, there's this quest where telling a boy to go back to his family is Dark Side, whereas giving him money to run away and telling his parents that he's dead will be Light Side.

Light != Good, that's my theory.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 11, 2012 07:05 PM (sGtp+)

228 The 'video game' CGI from Dogfight is just as good, and they have actual pilots giving commentary. Buy the DVD for the same money as a movie.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 06:57 PM (z1N6a)

Dogfight is enjoyable but frustrating. Only having a view through the front windscreen doesn't lend itself goodfighting strategy. I'd love to be able to look to the side or the top of my canopy to see what my adversary was doing in a tight turn or loop.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (qHiQk)

229 Back when I was working as a projectionist, Nothing But Trouble. That movie was so bad that I had to move it from the biggest screen to the smallest on Saturday morning.

Heh, i still like that movie, seen it about half a dozen times, Dan Akroyd has a dildo for a nose! That right there is all my brain needs to enjoy that flick.

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (EjNp5)

230 I mean how much worse can this movie be than-

The Watchmen?
Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:36 PM (r2PLg)

I think I'm the only guy in the country who liked the 'Watchmen' movie. Jackie Earle Haley's portrayal of Rorschach was an amazing performance.

Posted by: troyriser at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (YCeSE)

231 218 George Lucas proved he could write black characters with Jar Jar Binks.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (X3KAb)

Correct.

And all those people who criticize Jar Jar Binks?

That's right... racists.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (sWycd)

232 worst movie you ever saw?
Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 06:56 PM (r2PLg)

Natural Born Killers. Sorry, but gratuitous violence in never entertaining to me and that was just pure shit.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (+ePlO)

233 I think Buffet is gaming the system to make sure his companies stay profitable by playing to the ingrained idiocies of the left and going to the bank on the sustaining ignorance of the same.

Ask Warren about taxing life insurance benefits.

The beneficiaries did nothing to receive that money. And, if they did, and it's proven in a court of law, they don't get it anyway.

Why not tax the crap out of it?

... Because Warren owns life insurance companies, perhaps? hmmmmmm?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (h6mPj)

234 >>>Nothing But Trouble. That movie was so bad that I had to move it from the biggest screen to the smallest on Saturday morning.

Incredibly bad.

These are all good picks.

I saw Batman & Robin in the theater. Howzabout that?

I don't even think people credit that as a bad movie because it is so far beneath the standards of movies they don't even think of it as a movie.

But it is technically a movie. And it was awful.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (nj1bB)

235
Glad to see people using this thread as an excuse to drop "n*gger" and "coon" jokes.Betcha guys have had those building up for months now, eh?


Posted by: Jeff B. at January 11, 2012 06:50 PM (hIWe1)
Humphrey Bogart had you pegged way back in 1954 in The Caine Mutiny :

Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They
laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt
and with... geometric logic...

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (7+pP9)

236 I am glad that I spent my movie money earlier today, using Ace's Amazon search feature, or I might have been very tempted to purchase this excellent and authentic motion picture for my very own collection!

Posted by: Errol at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (vewos)

237 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)


What she said.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:07 PM (lVGED)

238 Light != Good, that's my theory.

Only a Sith believes in absolutes.

*That is probably one of the top worst sentences ever uttered in Cinema*.

Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at January 11, 2012 07:07 PM (UR5vq)

239 204 -

So what you are saying is, you spent thousands of dollars on your daughter's college degree, then sat through an awful graduation ceremony?

The heck you say! And they send requests for her, as an alumni, to contribute? Money?? Why, I never heard of such a thing. It's like teh librals have taken over our colleges or something!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:07 PM (Gc/Qi)

240 I'm not sure of the rating now, but "Midnight Cowboy" was x-rated in the theaters.

"MASH" was R, so I (17yo) got in okay, but we needed to get creative to getmy (15yo) girlfriend in.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 11, 2012 07:07 PM (j+Izh)

241 Worst movie ever??? Battlefield Earth, bitches

Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 07:08 PM (UqKQV)

242 238 Light != Good, that's my theory. Only a Sith believes in absolutes. *That is probably one of the top worst sentences ever uttered in Cinema*.
Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at January 11, 2012 07:07 PM (UR5vq)
The second worst was probably also uttered in the Prequels. And the third worst. And 4th, etc...

Posted by: buzzion at January 11, 2012 07:09 PM (GULKT)

243 @224

Well, ace we ARE still paying for the sins of the past and will always if the liberals have their way. Remember reparations?

Check this out, http://tinyurl.com/7y76jdf

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 11, 2012 07:09 PM (hXJOG)

244 Nothing But Trouble and Batman and Robin were both horrible. I liked Watchmen.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (lVGED)

245
"Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" was released in December.
Maybe there's an award for Gary Oldman.
FWIW I liked it, but I read the books.Might not make a lot of sense to anyone who hasn't.
Theyput ina littleof le Carre'sstupid moral equivalence.
The theatre was much more crowded than I'd have thought. The crowd was much older than usual. There were no kids.

Posted by: frankly at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (KpDv0)

246 Why the frank and beans don't we talk about mj anymore.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (VMcEw)

247 Only leftists use the word "jingoistic"

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (I2LwF)

248 And I hope you spend hours every day hanging your head in shame. Because
you're obviously of age that should feel responsible in some fashion.
Or your children, and then their children, and then their children's
children should have that yolk hung around their neck.

What?

Posted by: dagny at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (TCgts)

249 241
Nope. It's bad, but the worst is The Hottie and the Nottie. My friends specialize in bad movies and we MST3K the hell out of them. It's the only movie we weren't able to make it even 1/2 way through....and we've done Manos: The Hands of Fate (non MST3K version) with no problem.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 07:10 PM (G99e4)

250 When you get a chance, from your write up of The Matrix series -it sounds like you might like- Inception.
Well, I have that one on disc. It wasn't too bad, the premise about creating dreams to invade and control someone's mind wasn't bad. I don't read a whole lot of SF, so I can't say for sure if it had been done before, butI'm prettysure it has.
But the movie was just OK. I could kinda see the end coming, because even I got confused after the first couple of dream levels. It was well explained even though it seemed to start in the middle of the plot. And the special effects were pretty good, a decent mix of CG and real sets. It coulda used a Third Rock reference just for fun, if it did, I missed it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 07:11 PM (d0Tfm)

251 Dogfight is enjoyable but
frustrating. Only having a view through the front windscreen doesn't
lend itself goodfighting strategy. I'd love to be able to look to the
side or the top of my canopy to see what my adversary was doing in a
tight turn or loop.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:06 PM (qHiQk)
I did not know there was an actual game. There's a series of documentary shows on the Military Channel that I TIVO these days.The one on the German unit that rammed bombers in '45 with their planes was pretty cool. They had guys from the ramming planes and the rammee planes giving commentary.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:11 PM (z1N6a)

252
What's the old saying?
"Any film originally released in January or February (not counting the ones that are released in "limited engagements" in December for Oscar consideration) are generally to be avoided"?
Don't know if that's still true or not, but I've always found it to be true.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 11, 2012 07:11 PM (0xqzf)

253
Or your children, and then their children, and then their children's children should have that yolk hung around their neck.It should never end, because people should never be able to say, "Don't blame that shit on me."


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (phlKA)
It's a yoke you fucking idiot.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 07:12 PM (7+pP9)

254 >>Glad to see people using this thread as an excuse to drop "n*gger" and "coon" jokes.Betcha guys have had those building up for months now, eh? Posted by: Jeff B. at January 11, 2012 06:50 PM (hIWe1) Just in case you missed the above.
The last time I checked we had a black man voted in as President.
It's the timing of the release relative to the election (like the Osama mission movie) and the disingenuous remarks about marketing that are what are laughable.That and your comment you potato head.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2012 07:12 PM (HBqDo)

255 243, I don't really want to pay for someone else's sins.

But this idea that we're going to engage in denialism as a political strategy is silly.

These things actually happened, whether it is politically helpful or not . facts don't give a shit about which way they point politically.

This really was a rather bad thing that people did. Why is that soooo hard to admit? Why does that become a "political" thing?

Is the topic of capturing people and forcing them and their children (!!!) into permanent slavery somehow up for current political discussion?

No. It was WRONG. Period. I'm not happy my yankee ancestors agreed to this, either.



Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (nj1bB)

256 If I am recalling right, the film

"Kokoda 2006"

I really enjoyed. Was about the Australian soldiers fighting the Japanese.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (RfvTE)

257 If they wanted authentic black dialog they should have hired Michael Bay.

Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (dBvlk)

258 The great thing about America Is that despite that history, it has become the country that offers the most opportunity to anyone of any heritage.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (21lBC)

The only thing is is that we hardly hear this part at all, especially in leftspeak. When it's left out and all one hears is theeverything else, it tends to become a harangue.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (qHiQk)

259 Really the last Matrix? I thought the last two were pretty shitty. I hate itwhen a trilogy starts outwith one plot, and then the next two films are attached at the hip with the same plot (Pirates of the Carribean, the Matrix). Probably the last non kid/superhero film I was dragged to and liked was Inception.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 11, 2012 07:14 PM (tKFT6)

260 Worst movie ever: Stay.

Not only did I waste about two hours of my lifetime, but it caused me to question whether life really was worth living.

Okay maybe that last part wasn't exactly true, but it was that bad.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:14 PM (21lBC)

261

Since people are ironically naming bad movies AND this is a thread about George Lucas, I think I have to provide a link to this xkcd comic.

Posted by: dan-O at January 11, 2012 07:14 PM (sWycd)

262 LeCarre was always bad but after 9/11 he became a full blown nut cutlet.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:14 PM (7W3wI)

263
What I don't get is your politically correct sense of entitlement that
you want history actively censored to not put you on the defensive or
discomfit you.

What I did not want, after spending tens of thousands of dollars on my daughters education, is some liberal arts institution deciding that the keynote speaker should spend an hour or so lecturing a predominately (~99% or so) white audience on some injustice which occurred decades before my daughters birth. That injustice was not part of my experience, my daughters experience, and only spoke to the inability of some people to put the past behind them and move into the next millennium without continuing an ages old call for reparations from people entirely not responsible for actions of the past.

It's the never-ending 'victim mentality' that causes me concern and raises my bile level.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:14 PM (phlKA)

264 If I am recalling right, the film

"Kokoda 2006"

I really enjoyed. Was about the Australian soldiers fighting the Japanese.


Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (RfvTE)
The Kokoda trail is a road over the mountains in New Guinea. By holding the Japanese there, they kept them from moving further south and really doing damage to Australia proper.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:15 PM (z1N6a)

265 Worst film, Donnie Darko, there I said it! Waaayyy overhyped.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 11, 2012 07:16 PM (tKFT6)

266 Guess who is smoking a cigarinside the house right now? This guy. Wife won't be home until Sunday, so I figure I'll splurge tonight while watching the C's game and hope that the weather is mild enough to crack the windows for an afternoon or two before she gets back. I'm such a rebel.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 11, 2012 07:16 PM (Qjh0I)

267 The great thing about America Is that despite that
history, it has become the country that offers the most opportunity to
anyone of any heritage.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:04 PM (21lBC)
Amen. And that is due to how it was founded.
If Hollywood directors insist on going the all-black route for whatever reason, I wish someone would adapt an old favorite novel of mine called The Dahomean by Frank Yerby. It's set in old Dahomey among the Mandinka tribe (also called the Mandingo tribe) and it doesn't sugarcoat what the tribe was like and it is made clear that black Africans sold each other into slavery.Then again most Hollywood directors would probably fuck it up.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:16 PM (T2/zQ)

268 I believe the investigating officer character was based on Jackie Robinson.
The Court Martial of Jackie Robinson is a movie I want to see sometime.

Posted by: fluffy, race: indeterminate at January 11, 2012 07:17 PM (O6q63)

269 Worst movie ever : The Incubus. Watched 5 minutes of it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:17 PM (lVGED)

270 I can't wait till we have a white president so we know whose ass is on the screen and why she is are farting.

Posted by: Brawndo-arien at January 11, 2012 07:17 PM (VMcEw)

271 damn you, Lincoln! lol

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:17 PM (I2LwF)

272 There's a point missing here:

The movie could suck. That's even probably. But Hollywood produced plenty of awful anti-war movies.

Awful anti-war movies that consistently flop still get Hollywood backing.

But a patriotic, flag-waving movie that possibly sucks can't get a dime?

Posted by: Benson at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (qzcNU)

273
Completely O/T, but I saw this comment on the last thread, and cannot find the picture anywhere.....
>>>>16The photo of Biden sitting alone amongst rows of empty chairs at Jug-ears speech today is priceless (Drudge).
Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at January 11, 2012 05:53 PM (baL2B)<<<<Did anyone get a screenshot, by any chance?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (0xqzf)

274 I think Red Tails will suck but I don't get the griping that it's going to have scenes in which blacks were discriminated against and only served in separate units.

Well... yes, it is going to be about that. It happened. How could you possibly write the movie without that?

It's not possible. Unless you want to have a pro-segregation kind of message, in which you explain "And all of this made sense, and was good and right." Which I assume you don't want to do, so...

I understand griping about PC messages in movies which don't have anything to do with race. this one does, unavoidably, as a central matter.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (nj1bB)

275 Once again, I would like to point out that Lucas did not write or direct (as he did with the prequels)...

....so this really does have a shot at being good.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (nN28y)

276 For people who like documentaries, Dust to Gloryfollows the 2003 Baja 1000 race and has some seriously badass cinematography.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (+ePlO)

277 Yeah, forgot about Matrix #3. Terrible.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:18 PM (21lBC)

278 Theresa, I put it in the sidebar.

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (I2LwF)

279 Guess who is smoking a cigarinside the house right now? This guy. Wife won't be home until Sunday
You'll get in trouble. Didn't you see Risky Business?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (PddVe)

280 The last really bad movie I attempted to watch was Alexander. I found myself fast forwarding through scenes and then finally just shut it off about halfway through it. It truly was teh suck.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (YdQQY)

281 >265
Worst film, Donnie Darko, there I said it! Waaayyy overhyped.


Burn in hell.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (lVGED)

282 267 Shockingly,black people are prone to the same sins as everyone else.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (7W3wI)

283
Is the topic of capturing people and forcing them
and their children (!!!) into permanent slavery somehow up for current
political discussion?



No. It was WRONG. Period. I'm not happy my yankee ancestors agreed to this, either.













Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:13 PM (nj1bB)
Holy Jeebus Ace -- you can really be a dumbshit at times.

It's more realistic to blame it on the coastal African tribes, the British slave shippers and the southern plantation owners than "my yankee ancestors".

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 07:19 PM (7+pP9)

284 There are terrible movies that are supposed to be terrible, and then there are the ones that get raved about that are really horrible. Just limiting it to Oscar winners, I thought American Beauty was one of the ugliest films I ever saw.

And foreign films that get praised to high heaven? Try The Tim Drum. It's a movie that shouldn't be watched by anybody. German movie, about a midget during WWII. It's pornographic in all the worst senses of the word, and all these years later I honestly don't recall if there was any sex in it, but I'm pretty sure there was.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:20 PM (Gc/Qi)

285 Cause it's on my agenda! Wait till Barry's second term, oh yeah baby!

http://tinyurl.com/54wfau


Posted by: Rev Al at January 11, 2012 07:20 PM (hXJOG)

286 275
Once again, I would like to point out that Lucas did not write or direct (as he did with the prequels)...

Lucas's influence was toned down in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the movie still sucked.

Lucas has the Reverse Midas Touch.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (UR5vq)

287 Similarly, there's this quest where telling a boy to go back to his
family is Dark Side, whereas giving him money to run away and telling
his parents that he's dead will be Light Side.
WTH? Were his parents beating the kid to death?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (0q2P7)

288 I did not know there was an actual game. There's a series of documentary shows on the Military Channel that I TIVO these days.

I think it was called Dogfight or Dogfighter, I can't remember exactly. But a person could choose a WWI, WWII, or a jet-age dogfight along withlevels of engagementdifficulty.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (qHiQk)

289 Thanks, Truman!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (0xqzf)

290 Matrix 1 was good. Had to watch it several times to catch all the nuance in it. Matrix 2 sucked. Matrix 3 blew chunks it was so bad.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (YdQQY)

291 “It was designed to be during the war," Lucas said. "It’s very
patriotic, very jingoistic, very old-fashioned, corny, just exactly like
'Flying Leathernecks' only this one was held up for release from 1942
when it was shot, and I’ve been trying to get it released ever since.”

I do not understand this quote. I followed the link to see if there was anything in the original that cleared it up, but nope. It was "held up for release from 1942 when it was shot"? Obviously, he did not shoot this movie in 1942. It may have been set in 1942, but the sentence still doesn't make sense. The article says something about 23 years, so that would put the shooting at some point after 1989, but that isn't even close to 1942. Maybe he shot it in 1992, and someone transcribed the 4 into a 9?

I like to focus on the really important stuff.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (k34Gz)

292 Burn in hell.

Burn?!?! What a limited imagination!

Posted by: Pinhead at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (UR5vq)

293 >>>What I did not want, after spending tens of thousands of dollars on my daughters education, is some liberal arts institution deciding that the keynote speaker should spend an hour or so lecturing a predominately (~99% or so) white audience on some injustice which occurred decades before my daughters birth. That injustice was not part of my experience, my daughters experience

And yet you'd watch a WWII movie generally, right? Or WWI? Or the Civil War? Or Revolutionary War?

Why is this specific thing "outside of your experience" and therefore it's wrong to tell you about?

I agree about the victim mentality. But you're talking like you have a bit of a victim mentality too.


Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (nj1bB)

294 I need my little victories...

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (Qjh0I)

295 Come on now. The Three Amigos was a regular suck fest.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (VMcEw)

296 274

Ace: Got no problem with them addressing it. The problem is, I don't trust Hollywood to not shift it from how these guys were actually heroes to a 2 1/2 hour bitchfest about how eeeeeeeeeeevil the white-dominated Army Air Corps (and by extension: America and all whites everywhere forever) was, with a little bit of bad CGI flying.

And being Lucas, there's a more than even chance that they'll ride a giant alien ball-cow-dinosaur-thing around in a badly-inserted 'love' scene.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (G99e4)

297 "Once again, I would like to point out that Lucas did not write or direct (as he did with the prequels)...

Lucas's influence was toned down in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the movie still sucked."

Oh I very much disagree (we much). Watch the extras on Crystal Skull and you'll see some very revealing interviews with Spielberg who openly expresses his exasperation that Lucas insisted on so many silly elements for Crystal Skull.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (nN28y)

298 274 If it was made iin the 50's the hero would be the crusading white officer who champions the black fighter pilots.In truth,someone white must have championed them or it would never have happened.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (7W3wI)

299 >>>But just because I'm white doesn't make me responsible for other white people. There is no racial justice nor racial responsibility. Thats not what is being taught. I think in the context of a graduation ceremony, it might have been a bit obnoxious.

Posted by: Max Power at January 11, 2012 07:23 PM (q177U)

300 Lucas's influence was toned down in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the movie still sucked.

I thought it was OK. The first one was the best though.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2012 07:23 PM (YdQQY)

301 >>>I do not understand this quote. I followed the link to see if there was anything in the original that cleared it up, but nope. It was "held up for release from 1942 when it was shot"? Obviously, he did not shoot this movie in 1942. It may have been set in 1942, but the sentence still doesn't make sense.

He's saying it's so gung-ho in spirit and so like a WWII propaganda/morale film that it's AS IF he actually made it in 1942, during patriotism war-fever, and is only getting to release it now.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:23 PM (nj1bB)

302 "I do not understand this quote. I followed the link to see if there was
anything in the original that cleared it up, but nope. It was "held up
for release from 1942 when it was shot"? Obviously, he did not shoot
this movie in 1942. It may have been set in 1942, but the sentence still
doesn't make sense."

It does if you watch the clip. Lucas was joking.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 11, 2012 07:23 PM (nN28y)

303 Bomb Patrol : Afghanistan is very good. It's on G4.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (lVGED)

304 "The Great Raid"

Was IMO, an excellent film about POWs during the Japanese invasion of the Philippines.

I saw another excellent war movie recently, about the Russians and German line, but cant recall the name.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (RfvTE)

305 that's actually an intriguing premise.

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (I2LwF)

306 You know what would be cool? If, after watching the Red Tail pilots perform incredible feats of derring-do, a German pilot was startled to see that the American pilots were black and then he began to question the very foundations of the master race dogma. I think something like that could make all of us look within ourselves and question our own biases.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (+lsX1)

307 Burn in hell.
I will gladly if I never have to see that film again, but since it's hell it's probably on repeat.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (tKFT6)

308 271
damn you, Lincoln! lol

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:17 PM (I2LwF)


Don't make me come over there.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (T2/zQ)

309 Ed Anger--

hahhahaha. Right, it was all the blacks. Whites had NOTHING to do with slavery! We are unbesmirched.

Keep on defending the good name of the White Race.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (nj1bB)

310
I like to focus on the really important stuff.



Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 11, 2012 07:21 PM (k34Gz)
He may mean the movie - "1941"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (GaIwz)

311 Here is the obligatory Old Negro Space Program video.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (VMcEw)

312 lol different Lincoln

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (I2LwF)

313 Come on now. The Three Amigos was a regular suck fest.
Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (VMcEw)

Them's fightin' words.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:25 PM (+ePlO)

314 I wish Hollywood would make a movie with an all lesbian cast.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 06:33 PM

We've got that covered.

Posted by: San Fernando Valley at January 11, 2012 07:26 PM (ay6+/)

315 284
There are terrible movies that are supposed to be terrible, and then
there are the ones that get raved about that are really horrible.

Last Tango in Paris and Pulp Fiction for me.


I saw The Help recently with a friend (she wanted to see it; she had read the book). I think it's a well-executed movie, but I found myself really irritated by what I perceived to be the underlying assumption that all was fine and dandy up north and that this country's entire problem vis a vis race relations was the south's fault. And, of course, the (we're supposed to think) 'heroic' white chick at the end leaves the women she jeopardized behind so she could move to the great (white) north.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:26 PM (5H6zj)

316 304 Great Raid was about an operation to rescue prisoners from the Japanese when the US took back the Philippines.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:26 PM (7W3wI)

317 Blacks did not serve in any combat units in Marine Corps in WWII; in the Army they were in the 92 ID with White officers and two anti-tank battalions in Europe

How and what the 92nd did depends on who you ask: They were only on the line for two days in Italy. The White officers said the men broke and ran; the Af-Am men said the officers were inept / cowards, and ordered a retreat

The 'Red Tails' did okay, but nothing to fuss about.

Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 07:26 PM (UqKQV)

318 Yeah, forgot about Matrix #3. Terrible.
Yeah, I did say I got suckered into the other two. By the third one, I just checked my intellect at the door and had a good time. Giant robots, Carrie Ann Moss nekkid and 'splosions and fight scenes, what's not to like?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 07:27 PM (d0Tfm)

319 Thanks ed. I was worried that a member of the White Race had done something wrong at some point in history, which would besmirch me because we share White Blood.

But now I know the White Race has never, ever done anything wrong. Whew!!!

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:27 PM (nj1bB)

320 >>It should never end, because people should never be able to say, "Don't blame that shit on me." Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:00 PM (phlKA)I'd rather just leave color issues out of the equation until the dust clears on the next election at least.Unless You want to talk about the Reds in the democrat party or the red that they want to keep us in.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2012 07:28 PM (HBqDo)

321 @311

I was in that!

Posted by: Rev Al at January 11, 2012 07:28 PM (hXJOG)

322 I think in the context of a graduation ceremony, it might have been a bit obnoxious.

^This.

I think ace missed the point of the original post.

IMHO, graduation speakers should talk about things that are uplifting for the students and the parents, not use their bully pulpit to push their pet issue.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:29 PM (5H6zj)

323 please stop talking in these My Racial Team/Their Racial Team terms.

It sounds deranged.

You are no more responsible for the crime of a distant white ancestor than you are -- here's the tricky party -- to be credited for the discovery or achievement of a distant white ancestor.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:29 PM (nj1bB)

324 315 -

I never saw Last Tango, but I can understand why people hate Pulp Fiction. I think it's pretty darned good, but you have to go in with the expectation that you really don't care what happens to any of these people. I kinda think that's what Tarantino was going for, see if he could hold your interest IN SPITE of the fact that everybody in the movie is despicable.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:29 PM (Gc/Qi)

325

Well... yes, it is going to be about that. It happened. How could you possibly write the movie without that?

I have no problem watching a movie about real life people who had to overcome racism or most any other serious obstacle, on their way to success. I love those movies, I find them inspirational. Red Tails has that potential.

A two hour sermon like Crash or Higher Learning though. Unwatchable.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 11, 2012 07:29 PM (0q2P7)

326 White people have done terrible things throughout history.Heck,they crucified God incarnate!

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (7W3wI)

327 The Spirit was maybe the worst movie I've seen since the Star Wars movies.

What was Frank Miller thinking?

*****

I can get Eve Mendes to show me her ass cheeks?

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (r2PLg)

328 I saw another excellent war movie recently, about the Russians and German line, but cant recall the name.
Posted by: Shiggz at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (RfvTE)

Barbarians at the Gate

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (qHiQk)

329 The biggest thing that looks bad about the movie from the trailer is that it looks to over-exaggerate the Tuskegee Airmen's contribution to the war. Helpful, yes, but not TEH BESTEST THING EVAR! Sort of how the French basically claim that the Maquis liberated France with a little bit of help from the Brits and Americans.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (FsqHK)

330 American Beauty. Please don't remind me. What a disgusting movie And seriously overhyped. Kevin Spacey is a good actor but he shouldn't have won the Oscar that year. It's was only because it's portrayed such a sick dysfunctional family that they loved it so much.

Denzel Washington should have gotten the best actor award that year for hurricane. So they gave it to him for training day the next year when they were giving all the other black people Oscars or nomination. The Oscars that year were so transparenlyinsulting. Hollywood racists.

The messed up capitalization and spacing is my iPhone's fault and I can't be bothered to fix it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (21lBC)

331 You are no more responsible for the crime of a
distant white ancestor than you are -- here's the tricky party -- to be
credited for the discovery or achievement of a distant white ancestor.







Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:29 PM (nj1bB)
My ancestor create fire and the wheel, top that!

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:31 PM (GaIwz)

332 Can we have more photographs of hot elves in bathing suits please?

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2012 07:31 PM (I2LwF)

333 over-acting and over-writing are race-neutral.

It's a WWII flying film ..

... let the planes and the 50 cals do most of the talkin'

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:31 PM (h6mPj)

334 speaking of awful movies with ass cheeks--

Wild Wild West. Godawfully bad, but you totally see Salma Hayek's butt in those trap-door pajamas.

That right there gets it to two stars.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:31 PM (nj1bB)

335 322 -

Should is one thing, but I would hope anyone going to a graduation ceremony these days won't be shocked to find that someone wishes to issue them a lecture instead of a celebration of the graduates.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:32 PM (Gc/Qi)

336 334 I concur.Tits would have bumped it up to 5 star.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:32 PM (7W3wI)

337 The biggest thing that looks bad about the movie
from the trailer is that it looks to over-exaggerate the Tuskegee
Airmen's contribution to the war. Helpful, yes, but not TEH BESTEST
THING EVAR! Sort of how the French basically claim that the Maquis
liberated France with a little bit of help from the Brits and Americans.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (FsqHK)
Well, that may just be trailer hype. Remains to be seen if the movie itself makes the same claim.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:32 PM (z1N6a)

338 317
Blacks did not serve in any combat units in Marine Corps in WWII; in
the Army they were in the 92 ID with White officers and two anti-tank
battalions in Europe.

My father was an officer with a Black company that went to Trinidad for a year. The entire unit got kicked out because all the local women were going out with the Black soldiers who had money and the local men didn't approve.

True story.

You know, of course, Trinidad is a Black country, right?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 11, 2012 07:32 PM (hXJOG)

339 Last Tango

omg someone told me that..

anyways the butter scene-I was made to go google that.

Let's just say--

Steel Panther should be sued for stealing that scene.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:32 PM (r2PLg)

340 Cuba Gooding or Morgan Freeman have to be in every black movie. Are they really that awesome? Or do we suffer the consequences of low expectations.


Posted by: Commenter at January 11, 2012 07:33 PM (xHenH)

341
Air Games?

SWOTL was the shitz.

You could fly real period airplanes or a few of the X-planes (like the Horton flying wing) of WWII. You could look around the cockpit, out the canopy in different directions -- you could even fly a B-17 as a pilot, a crew member, or switch from pilot to crew member as you wished.

Flak AI enemy fighters -- everything. There's nothing that compares to it today.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 07:33 PM (7+pP9)

342 Wild Wild West. Godawfully bad

I would be fine with it if it weren't for Kenneth Brannagh. He was so jarring in that movie.

I know everyone here hates Will Smith, but I think he's kinda cute in that movie (and cute overall). And I love that song.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:33 PM (5H6zj)

343 I guess I don't understand why a story about an injustice, which should, it seems, be universally regarded as an injustice (that is to say, not controversial in the least), is somehow controversial, like you're being dared to disagree.

If you don't disagree, and I assume you don't, what's the problem?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (nj1bB)

344 I agree about the victim mentality. But you're talking like you have a bit of a victim mentality too.

Yes, I do. You can probably look up my approximate location based on my IP and then do a couple minutes of research and find that I live near the top of one of the top 50 highest taxed counties in the nation. It's tough to earn enough money to pay my own taxes on income to local, county, state and federal, much less some never-ending form of reparations based on actions entirely out of my control into the future. Some people (not you) need to get over it unless they want to start exhuming bodies and holding postmortem trials for people who resided in this country long before my ancestors ever stepped ashore.

While it may be true that those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it, I'd say that those who do not ease up a little on history are destined to annoy the hell out me.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (phlKA)

345 Wasn't Barbarians at the Gate about RJR buying Nabisco?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (Dm7bx)

346 Ace: Got no problem with them addressing it. The
problem is, I don't trust Hollywood to not shift it from how these guys
were actually heroes to a 2 1/2 hour bitchfest about how eeeeeeeeeeevil
the white-dominated Army Air Corps (and by extension: America and all
whites everywhere forever) was, with a little bit of bad CGI flying.




Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (G99e4)


ITA

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (T2/zQ)

347 Kenneth Brannaghhh should be ashamed of his part in Wild West

Posted by: soothie at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (KUrJA)

348 I didn't say the song was bad.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (nj1bB)

349 Some more pre-Spike Lee all-black Hollywood suggestions for George Lucas' netflix queue:
A Piece Of The Action(1977)
Let's Do It Again (1975)
The Bingo Long Traveling All Stars And Motor Kings(1975)
Sounder (1973)
Porgy And Bess (1959)
Cabin In The Sky (1943)

Posted by: BuddyPC at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (JjjnQ)

350 340 Morgan Freeman is a good actor.Questionable dating ideas but a good actor.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (7W3wI)

351 Wild Wild West. Godawfully bad, but you totally see Salma Hayek's butt in those trap-door pajamas.

That right there gets it to two stars.

****

LOL!

Do you know Steel Panther stole the butter...thing from Marlon Brando..gawd.

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (r2PLg)

352 Wasn't Barbarians at the Gate about RJR buying Nabisco?

Yeah. I think he means Enemy at the Gates.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (bjRNS)

353 @345

Yes

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (hXJOG)

354 340
Cuba Gooding or Morgan Freeman have to be in every black movie.

I dunno about Cuba, but I love Morgan Freeman's voice.

I found Seven to be really upsetting (I'm a wimp), but I can watch it because of him. I try to ignore the fact that Morgan is apparently a soulless jerk.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (5H6zj)

355 I know everyone here hates Will Smith, but I think he's kinda cute in that movie (and cute overall). And I love that song.


Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:33 PM (5H6zj)
Nah, I don't hate Will Smith, just Scientology crap is freaky.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (GaIwz)

356 Enemy At the Gates is the Rachel Weisz movie set in Stalingrad with some shooting going on.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:36 PM (h6mPj)

357 schroedinger, I just don't really see why we can't do two things at once:

Agree, seriously, that that was an injustice, and fight against higher taxes/welfare state-sim.

I don't see why doing the latter somehow requires denial of the former, or discomfort with the former.

It happened. You didn't do it-- I know that. So why are you defensive over it?

it had, quite literally, nothing to do with you.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:36 PM (nj1bB)

358 Blacks did not serve in any combat units in Marine Corps in WWII; in the Army they were in the 92 ID with White officers and two anti-tank battalions in EuropeHow and what the 92nd did depends on who you ask: They were only on the line for two days in Italy. The White officers said the men broke and ran; the Af-Am men said the officers were inept / cowards, and ordered a retreatThe 'Red Tails' did okay, but nothing to fuss about.
Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 07:26 PM (UqKQV)

You're wrong. There were black units in every theater of WWII, even Alaska. They were mostly delegated to driving trucks and transporting supplies, but they endured the trial-by-fire everyone else did (especially in the Pacific).

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:36 PM (qHiQk)

359
Well, I flew as a navigator/WSO in F-4E Phantoms and what strikes me most from the commercial is that the airplanes do not move like airplanes. Basically, the aerial scenes look like crazy cartoons.
The Tuskegee fighter pilots were a great group but all of them together flew as much collectively as I did in my short Air Force career. Now, I'm not knocking them, just putting it in perspective. The Black Sheep, which got their own TV series, only flew for about three months of combat in the Pacific. They were on TV longer than they were a real unit.
So, I'm all up for a good war movie but there really aren't many of those. Most of them are just goofy. This looks like another one of those goofy movies.

Posted by: Tantor at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (K/+4b)

360 Can someone explain Chelsea Handler to me ?

Posted by: soothie at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (vanqS)

361 356 Yeah,and the dude bangs her in the rubble of Stalingrad.You can tell a Frenchman made that movie.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (7W3wI)

362 352
Wasn't Barbarians at the Gate about RJR buying Nabisco?

Yeah. I think he means Enemy at the Gates.


Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (bjRNS)
So, what the hells is "Enemy Barbarians At The Gates" about?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (GaIwz)

363 350
340 Morgan Freeman is a good actor.

Ben Gazzara. He's a good actor.


Damn, what comedian used to do a schtick about that? I can't remember!

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (5H6zj)

364 I thought WWW was fun.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:37 PM (21lBC)

365 298
274 If it was made iin the 50's the hero would be the crusading white
officer who champions the black fighter pilots.In truth,someone white
must have championed them or it would never have happened.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:22 PM (7W3wI)


Well, in real life, some humane white person usually recognized excellence in individual black persons and did what he/she could to circumvent the mores of the bad old days. Or at least that's what my older relatives say. Often, said white person was Jewish.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:38 PM (T2/zQ)

366 I've already seen it in an advance showing. Lucas isn't kidding about the 'period piece' feel; the script is written entirely in the style of Flying Leathernecks, as if it was written in that completely earnest style back when Ronald Reagan was a Hollywood actor; seriously, Reagan would have teared up over this.

It's what's called an 'art statement', like that pre-Christmas release Hugo from Scorcese, or that other recent release The Actor, done as a silent film. Those here familiar with Howard Hughes' Wings are going to notice so-called Easter eggs; actually, I'm sure lots of people on this site are going to be way better at finding them in this film than I was, WWII films aren't a special interest of mine; but I know from other viewers there were lots more Easter eggs than I could ever pick out.

It's also not hard to see that the motivation here is to fill a culture gap. I have no idea if it makes money in the theaters; it doesn't need to: Lucas got the film done & distributed after giving up on recovering production costs (plus making some side deals on future productions). If forced to guess, I'd guess he's going to recover at least some of his costs in marketing the DVD of this thing AS an Easter egg hunt.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at January 11, 2012 07:39 PM (vahvH)

367 360
Can someone explain Chelsea Handler to me ?

Dumb blonde who thinks she is smart....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:39 PM (GaIwz)

368 360 Caucasian Margaret Cho.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:39 PM (7W3wI)

369 >>>Damn, what comedian used to do a schtick about that? I can't remember!


Gilbert Gottfried, doing a bit where aliens come down to earth and ask, "Why doesn't Ben Gazarra get more work? he's a good actor."

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (nj1bB)

370 If you don't disagree, and I assume you don't, what's the problem?
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:34 PM (nj1bB)
I don't know either but if you make a movie about it, you are courageous.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (+ePlO)

371 From Dusk till Dawn also featured some Hayek, did it not?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (PddVe)

372 10 I'll bet it sucks harder than a black hole.


And I already saw this once, when it was a corny HBO movie called "The Tuskegee Airmen".
Posted by: packsoldier at January 11, 2012 06:12 PM (MIT63)

We will never know. If a black hole saw a Lucus film coming it would turn white and start repelling everything.

Posted by: Riding Through The Desert On A Sock With No Name at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (Q5fHc)

373 I will watch anything that has lots of "plosions"...

Posted by: izoneguy at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (2/KD2)

374 If Lincolntf's live was like a sitcom, he'd have dropped the cigar, broke something expensive trying to catch it, would have set the house on fire and had the fire dept ruin the carpet putting it out by now. Good thing he'll have till Sunday to rebuild the house exactly the way it was so the wife will never know. Let me warn you, just after you think you got away with it, she'll figure it out somehow.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (GZitp)

375 Wow Rex, you should do reviews! I am sensing now that you probably do.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:41 PM (nj1bB)

376 364
I thought WWW was fun.

The Giant Mechanical Spider!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 11, 2012 07:41 PM (UR5vq)

377 >>303
Bomb Patrol : Afghanistan is very good. It's on G4.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:24 PM (lVGED) I recorded all of those. It's compelling.
Who would have thought there would be a ground combat show featuring a Navy squad.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2012 07:41 PM (HBqDo)

378 From Dusk till Dawn also featured some Hayek, did it not?

It featured most of her! Now that's what I call a show!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 11, 2012 07:41 PM (Dm7bx)

379 368
360 Caucasian Margaret Cho.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:39 PM (7W3wI)
A White Whoppie Goldberg

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:42 PM (GaIwz)

380 >>> From Dusk till Dawn also featured some Hayek, did it not?

not naked, just dressed in revealing clothes. No actual naughty bits shown.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:42 PM (nj1bB)

381 You are no more responsible for the crime of a distant white ancestor than you are -- here's the tricky party -- to be credited for the discovery or achievement of a distant white ancestor. Hey, my great^17 grandfather invented bovine husbandry, so you can...um
nevermind

Posted by: fluffy at January 11, 2012 07:42 PM (O6q63)

382 Is Chelsea Lately the same person?

If so, she's a drip.

Posted by: soothie at January 11, 2012 07:42 PM (vanqS)

383 Hmmmm ... given what Rex wrote, if the movie is earnest in its dialogue, then I'll rethink going to see it.

My reaction from the trailer was that it was going to be
too bon-motty.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:43 PM (h6mPj)

384 378 380 That was her first movie I think.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:43 PM (7W3wI)

385 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 11, 2012 07:30 PM (21lBC)
American Beauty was cringe-worthy. I think that's when I started to figure out that Hollywood types were fucked in the head.
And since you mentioned Denzel Washington, one of the most satisfying flicks is Man on Fire.
That's just pure badassery.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:43 PM (+ePlO)

386 If Lincolntf's live was like a sitcom, he'd have
dropped the cigar, broke something expensive trying to catch it, would
have set the house on fire and had the fire dept ruin the carpet putting
it out by now. Good thing he'll have till Sunday to rebuild the house
exactly the way it was so the wife will never know. Let me warn you,
just after you think you got away with it, she'll figure it out somehow.


Posted by: lowandslow at January 11, 2012 07:40 PM (GZitp)
Probably because you flipped left and right in the reconstruction phase...

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:44 PM (z1N6a)

387 The Bingo Long Traveling All Stars And Motor Kings(1975)




Billy Dee Williams!

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:44 PM (T2/zQ)

388 What if after a harrowing, climactic, final mission where many Red Tail pilots were shot down in defense of the bombers they were escorting, the bomber crews on the ground acknowledged the surviving Red Tail pilots with solemn head nods that let you know that they finally saw them as equals and deserving of not only respect, but admiration. I think a scene like that would really make you think about how we are all too willing to make snap judgments about people based on superficial observation.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (+lsX1)

389 Gilbert Gottfried

That's it! Thank you!

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (5H6zj)

390 Enemy At the Gates is the Rachel Weisz movie set in Stalingradwhere she give the best sex face ever with some shooting going on.
FIFY

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (tKFT6)

391 385 Book of Eli is good as well.Denzel is good,real good.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (7W3wI)

392 Why can't the 'art statement' that a director makes ever be 'Here is a good movie!"

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (z1N6a)

393 376 364 I thought WWW was fun.The Giant Mechanical Spider!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 11, 2012 07:41 PM (UR5vq)
And for some reason I'm a sucker for films that put real historical figures (U.S. Grant) in weird, funny, bizarre or otherwise fantastic situations. Citizen Kane it was not, but yeah, fun.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (Gc/Qi)

394 The Bingo Long Traveling All Stars And Motor Kings(1975)Stan Shaw gets signed to play in the majors.

Posted by: fluffy at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (O6q63)

395 What if after a harrowing, climactic, final mission
where many Red Tail pilots were shot down in defense of the bombers they
were escorting, the bomber crews on the ground acknowledged the
surviving Red Tail pilots with solemn head nods that let you know that
they finally saw them as equals and deserving of not only respect, but
admiration. I think a scene like that would really make you think about
how we are all too willing to make snap judgments about people based on
superficial observation.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (+lsX1)
Well, they usually flew from different bases.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:46 PM (z1N6a)

396 I'd like to see Lucas tackle a remake of an Eisenstein movie, like Ivan the Terrible.. With Hayden Christensen in the title role.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 07:46 PM (niZvt)

397 I think you see Thora Birch's boobies in American Beauty. Two stars. Unexpectedly action-packed.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:47 PM (nj1bB)

398 380
>>> From Dusk till Dawn also featured some Hayek, did it not?





not naked, just dressed in revealing clothes. No actual naughty bits shown.

----

Now we've hit ace's wheel-house of knowledge! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:48 PM (5H6zj)

399 Just for grins, here's an old post of mine featuring my great-uncle David during his WWII stint. Be sure to read the particulars.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:48 PM (T2/zQ)

400 And for some reason I'm a sucker for films that put real historical figures (U.S. Grant) in weird, funny, bizarre or otherwise fantastic situations. Citizen Kane it was not, but yeah, fun.
I appreciate your support.

Posted by: Nicholas Cage as Benjamin Franklin Gates at January 11, 2012 07:48 PM (O6q63)

401

It happened. You didn't do it-- I know that. So why are you defensive over it?



it had, quite literally, nothing to do with you.

Here's the question... the speaker had to be aware that every family member in the audience (perhaps maybe not the grandparents) was not even born before the event he chose to elucidate upon so profusely. Why would the speaker choose to chastise a predominately not-involved-in-any-fashion audience for over an hour at a ceremony that should have been a celebration, not a recrimination?

I tend to think that some people choose not to forget slights, real or imagined, for their own benefit -- forever. Is that a character flaw to notice? If so, I'm pretty pathetic.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 11, 2012 07:49 PM (phlKA)

402
I think you see Thora Birch's boobies in American Beauty. Two stars. Unexpectedly action-packed.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:47 PM (nj1bB)
It's not the boobies per se - it is what they say about our society.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:49 PM (z1N6a)

403 Book of Eli is good as well.Denzel is good,real good.
Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (7W3wI)
I forgot about that! Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:49 PM (+ePlO)

404 Kate Winslet nude is the only thing I remember from Titanic,outside of the douche freezing to death.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:49 PM (7W3wI)

405
The Tuskegee Airmen compiled the following combat records:
261 aircraft destroyed148 aircraft damaged15,533 sorties
1,578 missions66 KIA
95 DFCs awarded450 Pilots sent overseas.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (GaIwz)

406 Saw her boobies in Titanic for like a full minute. Three stars. Was not expecting that in PG-13.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (nj1bB)

407 It's my new film about Bain's LBO of the Third Reich.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (+lsX1)

408 Saw her boobies in Titanic for like a full minute. Three stars. Was not expecting that in PG-13.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (nj1bB)

409 Black soldiers helped build the Alaskan highway during WWII. They were separated into their own unit andworked with less. They still did very well.

Posted by: Ronster at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (JGYCE)

410
Thanks ed. I was worried that a member of the White
Race had done something wrong at some point in history, which would
besmirch me because we share White Blood.



But now I know the White Race has never, ever done anything wrong. Whew!!!

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:27 PM (nj1bB)
Get over yourself Ace, you specifically called out your "yankee ancestors".

I'm hoping you're historically literate enough to know that coastal black Africans commonly captured other black Africans from the interior and sold them to white British slavers, who in turn, sold them to white southern plantation owners.

Maybe, though, you're too caught in the white northeast guilt trip to acknowledge actual history.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (7+pP9)

411 ALT00153™

Posted by: toby928© at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (GTbGH)

412 397 I think you see Thora Birch's boobies in American Beauty. Two stars. Unexpectedly action-packed.
Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:47 PM (nj1bB)
Nazi army guy who secretly wants to have buttsex with Kevin Spacey though, negates one of Thora's two star tatas.
Don't even get me started on the pre-OWS hippie dude with the camera.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (Gc/Qi)

413 How about Steven Spielberg doing a remake of The Seventh Seal, with Tom Hanks as Death and Uma Thurman as a medieval feminist back from the Crusades, where she pretended to be a male knight?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (niZvt)

414 Wasn't Barbarians at the Gate about RJR buying Nabisco?Yeah. I think he means Enemy at the Gates.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 07:35 PM (bjRNS)

You're right. I thought of that while I was getting ready for work.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (qHiQk)

415 Red Tail pilots with solemn head nods that let you know that they finally saw them as equals and deserving of not only respect, but admiration. I think a scene like that would really make you think about how we are all too willing to make snap judgments about people based on superficial observation.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (+lsX1)

That's scene is in "Memphis Belle"

Matthew Modine, noted Caucasian, is protected by some Red Tails - doesn't know they're black and, after landing, tracks down the base where the guys that fly the Red Tailed P-51s are stationed to deliver them some whiskey.

Does the head nod / recognizes-peer thing. In kind of a dorky Matthew Modine way.
_

'Memphis Belle' fifty minutes of great movie making.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (h6mPj)

416 Book of Eli is good as well.Denzel is good,real good.
Agreed. It's worth repeated watchings, just like 300.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (d0Tfm)

417 Oh shit...
Did someone mention Nic Cage...?

Gawd..

Ports of Call

you want a weird ass cheek sex scene...

And the dialogue during the sex-standing up in a parking lot...

Nic: Did your Dad abuse you? Molsest you?

Did they not get you the prom dress?

The . worst.

EVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:51 PM (r2PLg)

418 was any other guy at Titanic with a chick and pretty bored and thinking "What a chick-flick way to do this movie" and yet very happy they'd tossed in a full minute of Kate Winslet's boobies for the guys?

or was that just me?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (nj1bB)

419 You want a great Black WW II movie?

Watch this clip, note the soldiers.

http://tinyurl.com/ywsewq

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (hXJOG)

420 406 408 Seperate posts for each tit.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (7W3wI)

421 Stan Shaw gets signed to play in the majors.


I always had girl-wood for Stan Shaw.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (T2/zQ)

422 What is this a remake? Can we replay the Iowa caucus?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (eCnLg)

423 404
Kate Winslet nude is the only thing I remember from Titanic,outside of the douche freezing to death.

Yea, you'd think her character would move over so Jack wouldn't die. I think she was regretting the one-night stand. "I'll always love you, Jack. Please stop dripping on me"... "Aren't you dead, yet?"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:53 PM (GaIwz)

424 Shakespeare in Love = Terrible.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 11, 2012 07:53 PM (lVGED)

425 Whoops forgot ->So, what the hells is "Enemy Barbarians At The Gates" about?

It's my new film about Bain's LBO of the Third Reich.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at January 11, 2012 07:53 PM (+lsX1)

426 was any other guy at Titanic with a chick and pretty
bored and thinking "What a chick-flick way to do this movie" and yet
very happy they'd tossed in a full minute of Kate Winslet's boobies for
the guys?





or was that just me?







Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:52 PM (nj1bB)
you didn't mention that you have some crayons and paper in your apartment to her, just incidentally?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (z1N6a)

427 >>>Maybe, though, you're too caught in the white northeast guilt trip to acknowledge actual history.

No I'm aware that black tribes caught members of other tribes then sold them to whites who transported them across the ocean to be in permanent lifetime bondage to other whites.

I'm just enjoying your breaking down history into My Tribe/Their Tribe for me.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (nj1bB)

428 Is Homeland Security monitoring Ace of Spades? Not that I really care. Fuck You you Fat Pig, and You know who you are.

Posted by: S Daniel at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (fM4AU)

429 I never saw Titanic. And I doubt I ever will.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (5H6zj)

430 That "head nod / peer-recognition" scene is also in another WWII era movie - "A League of Their Own" Gena Davis does a head nod to the black woman who caught the foul ball ...

while neither is, technically, flying an aircraft, it's pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (h6mPj)

431 Please stop dripping on me"... "Aren't you dead, yet?"
Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:53 PM (GaIwz)


Dripping on her? Ya know that could be taken different ways?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 11, 2012 07:55 PM (eCnLg)

432 404 Kate Winslet nude is the only thing I remember from Titanic,outside of the douche freezing to death.
Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:49 PM (7W3wI)

Right.

"Don't let go, Rose!"

"I'll NEVER let go, Jack!"

*SPLASH!* (Sound of Jack hitting the waves as Rose pries him of her raft)

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 07:55 PM (niZvt)

433 Yea, you'd think her character would move over so
Jack wouldn't die. I think she was regretting the one-night stand. "I'll
always love you, Jack. Please stop dripping on me"... "Aren't you dead,
yet?"


Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:53 PM (GaIwz)
I was laughing at the fact that thirty seconds after he dies, she's looking for a chisel to pry his fingers off the raft so he can GTFO. "Never Let Go" indeed.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (z1N6a)

434 Actually I got the title wrong-

it was-

Bad Lieutenant ort of Call New Orleans.

Worst sex scene dialogue EVER!!!!

Posted by: tasker at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (r2PLg)

435
@22: "The Army's treatment of blacks during WWII was despicable."
Compared to what?

Posted by: Nissei at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (FsqHK)

436 I never saw Titanic. And I doubt I ever will.
Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (5H6zj)
Yeah, you're not missing anything.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (+ePlO)

437 My favorite sex scene (which actually never gets that far) is the one in In the Line of Fire. "Now I have to put all this shit back on!" lol

The Big Easy has some sexy (non-sex) scenes too.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:58 PM (5H6zj)

438 I always had girl-wood for Stan Shaw.
Cool! I memorized dialogue from The Boys of Company C.

Posted by: fluffy at January 11, 2012 07:58 PM (O6q63)

439 Yeah, Titanic... I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought, "why did you go out on the boat with those guys if you just intended to throw the necklace in the water? Some should have thrown YOU in, you old hag."

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 07:59 PM (Gc/Qi)

440 Just wanted to remind everyone that I am a racist. Probably because the black man brought eczema to our shores.

Maybe it was the dagos. I forget.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 11, 2012 07:59 PM (l9zgN)

441 @436:

HEH.

I never thought I would see Eat, Pray, Love, either.

Look at me now. Some thing cannot be unseen.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 07:59 PM (niZvt)

442 Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 07:36 PM (qHiQk)

I'm not wrong: I said combat units.

Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 07:59 PM (UqKQV)

443 Ben Gazzara was in Road House. That's an immortal career right there in one movie.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 11, 2012 07:59 PM (7EV/g)

444 I was laughing at the fact that thirty seconds after he dies, she's looking for a chisel to pry his fingers off the raft so he can GTFO. "Never Let Go" indeed.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (z1N6a)

Heh. A fucking mick. What was I thinking?

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 08:00 PM (qHiQk)

445 Titanic? Mmm, Titanic? Wasn't that the name of Gilligan's boat?

Posted by: Joe Biden, outta hidin' at January 11, 2012 08:00 PM (fM4AU)

446 Predictable ending: The Black Guy gets it.

Posted by: I've lost my nic & I can't get up at January 11, 2012 08:00 PM (Onw8c)

447 Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 11, 2012 07:50 PM (GaIwz)

Compare them to other units

Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (UqKQV)

448 >>I never thought I would see Eat, Pray, Love, either.

Yeah, but I'm the chick so if I don't want to watch Titanic, it ain't happening.

Mr Y-not is so damned lucky. I should ask for a raise.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (5H6zj)

449 443rd! (TM)

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (ybkwK)

450 Yeah, you're not missing anything.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 07:56 PM (+ePlO)
Bullshit...that's one hell of a boat wreck....Just watch that part...

Posted by: Portnoy at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (1P9Wb)

451 Heh. A fucking mick. What was I thinking?

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 08:00 PM (qHiQk)
No the Irish are all ethnic and wonderful. They dance and everything!

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (z1N6a)

452 391
385 Book of Eli is good as well.Denzel is good,real good.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 07:45 PM (7W3wI)


I just saw that movie for the first time a few weeks ago, due to many Morons recommending it. One word: WOW!!!!Denzel is one of the greats of any generation and he has a knack for picking the best roles and running with them.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 08:02 PM (T2/zQ)

453 450

This. 30 minutes of crunchy smash goodness.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 08:02 PM (G99e4)

454 Bullshit...that's one hell of a boat wreck....Just watch that part...


Posted by: Portnoy at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (1P9Wb)
The boat scenes are too far apart. Rent "A Night to Remember" instead.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (z1N6a)

455 About 'Last Tango In Paris' -- the 'butter' scene was never in the script. Apparently Marlon Brando had it inserted upon request.

The young girl I took to see the movie with I eventually married and somehow I can never -- to this day -- ask her to 'get the butter'.

Posted by: Movie Historian at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (phlKA)

456 443
Ben Gazzara was in Road House. That's an immortal career right there in one movie.

Roadhouse!

Posted by: Peter Griffin at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (GaIwz)

457 This. 30 minutes of crunchy smash goodness.


Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2012 08:02 PM (G99e4)
In a seven hour movie.well, it seemed like that long.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (z1N6a)

458 452 He also doesn't open his mouth and alienate huge sections of his audience.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (7W3wI)

459 Speaking of an all black cast, I'm watching the knicks play

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (eCnLg)

460 Oh, another horrible, horrible movie nobody should watch: Happiness.
Look for the scene where the pedo dad is lovingly explaining to his son why he molested other kids and not him.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (Gc/Qi)

461 Compare them to other units


Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 08:01 PM (UqKQV)

How you doin'?

Posted by: Zombie John Holmes at January 11, 2012 08:04 PM (1P9Wb)

462 No the Irish are all ethnic and wonderful. They dance and everything!

I love how the Irish (usually maids) are portrayed in virtually every British television series (like the Poirots and Sherlock Holmes series).

I feel aggrieved. I think I'll go bomb Harrods.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:04 PM (5H6zj)

463 @462
Dear FBI agents,
That was a joke.
Y-not

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:04 PM (5H6zj)

464 I never saw Titanic. And I doubt I ever will.
Me neither.

Posted by: SS Californian lookout at January 11, 2012 08:05 PM (PddVe)

465 459
Speaking of an all black cast, I'm watching the knicks play

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (eCnLg)I'll be all over this.

Posted by: Eric Holder, Department of Cowardice at January 11, 2012 08:06 PM (fM4AU)

466 Ben Gazzara was in Road House. That's an immortal career right there in one movie
Dude brought the JC Penny to town! A true legend.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 11, 2012 08:06 PM (8MCmv)

467
No I'm aware that black tribes caught members of
other tribes then sold them to whites who transported them across the
ocean to be in permanent lifetime bondage to other whites.



I'm just enjoying your breaking down history into My Tribe/Their Tribe for me.







Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (nj1bB)
WTF kind of mind game are you lamely attempting to play here? You started the "tribal" shit with your focus on "yankees". Man up and admit it was a stupid thing to say.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 08:06 PM (7+pP9)

468 m bruce...calling m.b. Call the person who arrived at the dress up party bearing donuts. Late.

Posted by: TheHillsaideWay at January 11, 2012 08:06 PM (rZZA3)

469 One of the worst POS I've ever seen was Traffic.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 08:07 PM (7W3wI)

470 I love how the Irish (usually maids) are portrayed
in virtually every British television series (like the Poirots and
Sherlock Holmes series).

I feel aggrieved. I think I'll go bomb Harrods.


Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:04 PM (5H6zj)
I imagine in maid school the Irish girls were taught how to be "Irish".Like all Butlers learn to be English butlers.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 08:07 PM (z1N6a)

471 464

I never saw Titanic. And I doubt I ever will.


Me neither.

Posted by: SS Californian lookout at January 11, 2012 08:05 PM (PddVe)
Neither did I, and I'll swear to it in court. Titanic ran into me, it had the engines. I was just floating along and WHAM! a bunch of drunk limeys slam into me...

Posted by: The Iceberg at January 11, 2012 08:07 PM (GaIwz)

472 I love how the Irish (usually maids) are portrayed in virtually every
British television series (like the Poirots and Sherlock Holmes series).

Apparently, in the second season of Sherlock, Moriarty is going to be played by an Irish actor. First time ever, even though "Moriarty" is an Irish name.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 08:08 PM (bjRNS)

473 Dear FBI agents,That was a joke. Y-not
Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:04 PM (5H6zj)
Interpol and Scotland Yard are SO all over you.

Posted by: ErikW at January 11, 2012 08:08 PM (+ePlO)

474 for some real USAAF history, read about the Ploesti raid


Posted by: Piers Morgan's testicles at January 11, 2012 08:08 PM (UqKQV)

475 Apparently, in the second season of Sherlock, Moriarty is going to be played by an Irish actor. First time ever, even though "Moriarty" is an Irish name.


Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 08:08 PM (bjRNS)
wait, when did Moriarty get drunk in the books?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 11, 2012 08:08 PM (z1N6a)

476 Denzel is one of the greats of any generation and he has a knack for picking the best roles and running with them.
Yup. I could watch him read the LA phone book. Magnetic personality.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 11, 2012 08:09 PM (8MCmv)

477 Any Steve Guttenberg movie sucks.

Infallible rule of thumb.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 08:10 PM (niZvt)

478 Ben Gazzara was hot too. Nice to see he's still with us.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 08:10 PM (T2/zQ)

479 One of the worst POS I've ever seen was Traffic.
Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 08:07 PM (7W3wI)

Quit farting around, people. The absolutely worst movie ever ever made: Love Story.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 08:11 PM (qHiQk)

480 >>>Apparently, in the second season of Sherlock, Moriarty is going to be played by an Irish actor. First time ever, even though "Moriarty" is an Irish name.

Wait, what??! He already had someone playing him. They're changing the actor?

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:11 PM (nj1bB)

481 Apparently, in the second season of Sherlock, Moriarty is going to be played by an Irish actor. First time ever, even though "Moriarty" is an Irish name.

It'll be interesting to see how they fit the "every Irishman (and woman) is a drunk simpleton" with Moriarty as master villain.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:11 PM (5H6zj)

482 oh thank goodness. it's the same guy.

He already played Moriarity.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:13 PM (nj1bB)

483 I don't "get" Denzel. Maybe I haven't seen him in the right roles. I found him only slightly less annoying (and wooden) than Keanu in Much Ado About Nothing.

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:13 PM (5H6zj)

484 This is the movie Saban picked for the Alabama to watch before the game.

"We went to see the movie Red Tails last night, which I would recommend to anybody, but those guys' motto was the last plane, the last bullet, the last man, the last minute, we fight."

I thought it looked a little saccharine, but I can't argue with giant crystal trophies. I'll catch it on Netflix.

Posted by: Jordan at January 11, 2012 08:13 PM (RSG1I)

485 464
I never saw Titanic. And I doubt I ever will.

Me neither.Posted by: SS Californian lookout at January 11, 2012 08:05 PM (PddVe) Rent it then skip to Kate Winslet's tits and then the best part when that little crapweasel Leo DiCaprio freezes to death and sinks into the North Atlantic. 15 minutes tops.

Posted by: Jusn McAmnesty at January 11, 2012 08:13 PM (3jGS1)

486 The absolutely worst movie ever ever made: Love Story.

Take that back. It was autobiographical.

Posted by: Al Gore at January 11, 2012 08:14 PM (phlKA)

487 It'll be interesting to see how they fit the "every Irishman (and woman) is a drunk simpleton" with Moriarty as master villain.
Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:11 PM (5H6zj)

Easy. Moriarty went to Oxford.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2012 08:14 PM (qHiQk)

488 "I don't "get" Denzel. Maybe I haven't seen him in the right roles."

Man on Fire. Loved it.

Posted by: Jordan at January 11, 2012 08:15 PM (RSG1I)

489 Wait, what??! He already had someone playing him. They're changing the actor?

Nope, same actor. My mistake about the "second season" part; I haven't watched the first season on Netflix yet, so didn't know Moriarty had already shown.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 08:15 PM (bjRNS)

490 What can i say? i liked Titanic, the run up to the sinking does get dull at times but Kate Winslets tata's tide you over till then and once the sinking starts it's a good action flick. Never will understand why Leo didn't just crawl up on the thing she was floating on though, there looked to be plenty of room, that just didn't make any sense.

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2012 08:17 PM (EjNp5)

491 Showgirls is pretty hard to top as a Bad Movie:


Nomi Malone: I get a headache from champagne.
Cristal Connors: This isn't champagne. This... is HOLY WATER. I named myself after this holy water. Chrissie Lou Connors used to have dingy brown hair and little bitty tits. It's amazing what paint and a surgeon can do.
[they clink champagne glasses]
Cristal Connors: You have great tits. They're really beautiful.
Nomi Malone: Thank you.
Cristal Connors: I like nice tits. I always have, how about you?
Nomi Malone: I like having nice tits.
Cristal Connors: How do you like having 'em?
Nomi Malone: What do you mean?
Cristal Connors: You know what I mean.
Nomi Malone: I like having them in a nice dress, or a tight top.
Cristal Connors: Mmmm. You like to show em off.
Nomi Malone: I didn't like showing them off at the Cheetah.
Cristal Connors: Why not? I liked lookin' at 'em there. We ALL liked lookin' at 'em there!
Nomi Malone: It made me feel like a hooker.
Cristal Connors: You *are* a whore, darlin'.
Nomi Malone: No I'm not!
Cristal Connors: We all are. We take the cash, we cash the check, we show 'em what they wanna see.
Nomi Malone: Maybe YOU are a whore, Cristal, but I'm not.
Cristal Connors: You and me, we're exactly alike.
Nomi Malone: [shakes her head] I'll NEVER be like you.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 11, 2012 08:18 PM (niZvt)

492 Easy. Moriarty went to Oxford.

Damned affirmative action! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 08:18 PM (5H6zj)

493 So, is it true the Ravens and Saints got their pre-game ritual from all black fighter squadrons from WWII?

Posted by: tommylotto at January 11, 2012 08:20 PM (LBxr1)

494 Hah! Cuba Gooding Jr. isn't black. My black friends told me so.

Regardless, it's a decent trailer and has potential. And it may be surprisingly good, (even if Lucas is a f*ckstick).

Posted by: Fritz at January 11, 2012 08:21 PM (3raPN)

495 109
How 'bout this-



what's the last good movie that you saw in the theatre?

Tinker, Tailer, Soldier, Spy was surprisingly good. Well done all around for what it is, and no liberal twist of the knife or wink at the camera that I could detect.


Posted by: Dave R. at January 11, 2012 08:22 PM (bAsJQ)

496 Mickezyiesomethingpolish:

Yeah, watch the first season. When you first see Moriarity, you'll say "WRONG! WRONG! I OBJECT! WRONG!"

and three minutes later you'll say "I WAS TOTALLY WRONG THREE MINUTES AGO!!"

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:23 PM (nj1bB)

497 Show me the Messerschmidt!!!

Isn't this basically Soul Plane set in the 1940s?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 11, 2012 08:24 PM (V6fqC)

498 458
452 [Denzel] also doesn't open his mouth and alienate huge sections of his audience.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 08:03 PM (7W3wI)

I suspect that he's a closet conservative. But I've been wrong before. See: Morgan Freeman.Here's one thing about Denzel: he seems to have a brain in his head, something unusual for any actor.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 08:24 PM (T2/zQ)

499 Never will understand why Leo didn't just crawl up on the thing she was floating on though, there looked to be plenty of room, that just didn't make any sense.
Once they went into the water they were going to freeze to death anyway, unless they could get out of those clothes and get to a source of heat. So what didn't make sense was Kate Winslet surviving.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 11, 2012 08:25 PM (7EV/g)

500 #423

Kate Winslet nude is the only thing I remember from Titanic,outside of the douche freezing to death.

Whoa. Kate flashed the sweater kittens in that movie? Maybe I should relax my "No Chick Flicks" rule just this once.

As far as Kate appearing nude....dunno about that. The use of merkins to protect shy starlets the shame of going full monty has been around for longer than I've been alive. Heck, prostitutes in the 17th century used them to disguise that their nethers were shaved bare, (anti louse measures), from prospective clients.

Further, I find it insulting...borderline offensive that this site is plagued with spam advertising 'pipe fittings', instead of pubic wigs.

Posted by: DngrMse at January 11, 2012 08:26 PM (hFGXE)

501 I kind of liked Traffic--I was going thru a Catherine Zeta Jones phase back in ought...ought.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 11, 2012 08:26 PM (V6fqC)

502 #274, Ace, you are undoubtedly correct about the fact of discrimination. That was what made the Red Tails such a compelling story. But, and this is a big but, this movie implies that the white fighter pilots were running away rather than protect their charges. That kind of shit is infuriating. WHY does hollywood have to make up crap just to make blacks look nobel and whites look like crap? I'm surprised this movie isn't getting hollywood support because it continues the black=good and nobel/white=skudzy and ignoble.

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Posted by: moncler down jacket at January 11, 2012 08:27 PM (APKCx)

504 No, every 8 of 10 bucks goes to the ozero campain. $2 goes to the show house. That's why they, the show house ,charge you $15 for a small popcorn, drink, and a pack of jujubies.

Seriously? People still go to a movie theater now days?

Save your money folks. If it was good in the theater it will be better when you can get it on netflix or some such.

Posted by: jem at January 11, 2012 08:28 PM (0oYHO)

505 Once they went into the water they were going to freeze to death anyway, unless they could get out of those clothes and get to a source of heat.
True story (from Night to Remember): Titanic's baker started drinking whiskey when he realized the ship was sinking. He went into the water and survived way past the normal survival time in 28degree water until he was picked up.

Posted by: SS Californian lookout at January 11, 2012 08:28 PM (PddVe)

506
Showgirls is pretty hard to top as a Bad Movie:


And NPR built it up *almost* as much as Amistad.

See a trend there?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at January 11, 2012 08:28 PM (7+pP9)

507 Yeah, watch the first season.

It's in the queue. We're probably going to re-watch Baccano! first, to make sure we caught everything.

Speaking of: I recommend Baccano!, so long as you stop with episode 13, where the story ends. They tacked on episodes 14-16 because there was money to be made, and they don't add anything. The main story is about immortal alchemists during Prohibition, and has a neat story-telling technique where they jump between three story lines in '30, '31, and '32.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 11, 2012 08:29 PM (bjRNS)

508 Damn this post moves along

Posted by: rabidfox at January 11, 2012 08:29 PM (c8Sy+)

509
"There were Fokkers to the left, Fokkers to the right, Fokkers above and below."
"Wait, Uncle Waldo, I thought you said they were Messerschmidts?"
"Yes, therewere Fokkers in them Messerschmidts."

Posted by: Uncle Waldo at January 11, 2012 08:31 PM (KpDv0)

510 re Ace@185: I think you've been staring into the abyss of comment moderation for too long. The original comment was about a commencement address. Not a history class, not a tv documentary, a commencement address at a liberal arts college. And your first thought is "this racist bastard, surely there's some innocent explanation for that, it just can't have been chosen as a club to beat America with, so this man's complaint must be purely racist." I'm not persuaded.

Posted by: Dave R. at January 11, 2012 08:31 PM (bAsJQ)

511 479
One of the worst POS I've ever seen was Traffic.
Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2012 08:07 PM (7W3wI)

I got it from Netflix and watched it for about ten minutes. Then I turned it off. I sent it back a few days later. When I do that, the movie is bad.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 11, 2012 08:31 PM (T2/zQ)

512
@463: "Dear FBI agents,
That was a joke.
Y-not"
We don't care. We barbeque kids in Texas. We shoot unarmed mothers in Idaho. We overlook the running of guns to Los Zetas. We ran with Whitey Bulger, and we're pretty sure that the Mick Mob in Boston sent at least a little love to the Boyos in the Provos. MI-6 might want to have a word with you, though.

Posted by: The FBI at January 11, 2012 08:33 PM (FsqHK)

513 Speaking of Denzel, Unstoppable is a decent flick, just a generic summer action flick full of things you've seen a hundred times before but it's done well and you'll be entertained.

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2012 08:33 PM (EjNp5)

514 The Jazz Singer in outer space..

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at January 11, 2012 08:34 PM (vWrND)

515
@474: "for some real USAAF history, read about the Ploesti raid"
Pussies.

Posted by: Schweinfurt/Regensburg raid veterans at January 11, 2012 08:35 PM (FsqHK)

516 I'm proud of my white ancestors that chose to work 18 hours a day in deplorable conditions, rather than watch their families die a slow, painful death.

Of course, the definition of "white" may have changed over the years.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 11, 2012 08:36 PM (j+Izh)

517 >>>think you've been staring into the abyss of comment moderation for too long. The original comment was about a commencement address. Not a history class, not a tv documentary, a commencement address at a liberal arts college. And your first thought is "this racist bastard, surely there's some innocent explanation for that, it just can't have been chosen as a club to beat America with, so this man's complaint must be purely racist." I'm not persuaded.

No you don't get it. This is a sort of soft denialism. Not actual denialism, where you deny the fact, but instead just insist "I don't want to hear about these things, ever, and that's my right."

And part of that was reflected in the griping about Red Tails, about whether there'd be scenes showing discrimination. of course there will be.

Look, these things happened. I understand complaints about being preached at but at some point it just sounds like people think they have a right to not hear anything that might possibly be used against them in a court of politics.

facts are facts, history is history. these things happened. facts don't have a political agenda, in and of themselves, and it's silly to use a political agenda to screen out facts.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:46 PM (nj1bB)

518 I don't think there is, or at least should be, some kind of political calculation in whether or not the Tuskegee Experiment was outrageous.

it was. It doesn't hurt us to say so, nor should it hurt us to hear it.

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:47 PM (nj1bB)

519 as O'Reilly would say, "now tell me where I'm goin' wrong."

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:48 PM (nj1bB)

520 Speaking of Denzel, Unstoppable is a decent flick, just a generic summer action flick full of things you've seen a hundred times before but it's done well and you'll be entertained.

oh, hells, no.

I saw that movie in the theater.

It was soul-deadeningly formulaic.
Including the acting.

I'll watch The Mighty Quinn a dozen times before I watch Unstoppable again.


Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 08:49 PM (h6mPj)

521 I liked unstoppable, but I think I liked the SNL parody even more.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/unstoppable-trailer/1259996

Posted by: ace at January 11, 2012 08:50 PM (nj1bB)

522 Denzel Washington could not act his way out of a speeding ticket.

Most overrated actor (and I use that term very loosely) on the planet.

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at January 11, 2012 08:50 PM (ga+4F)

523
The evil that was the "Tuskegee Experiment".
At the time this started, there was no cure for syphyllis. Penicillum did not exist. The evil was that doctors monitored the pathology of black men that were infected with syphyllis for years to understand the disease and its progression. And I don't know if they were treatable in later years when penicillum became available, but it was a long term baseline study of the progression of, at the time, a basically incurable STD.
On another note, a lady who worked for me had a "welcome home" party at a local "private" military museum in Columbus for her son returning from Iraq in 2004. She and her son are A. Americans. There were several of the local "Tuskegee Airmen" veterans present, and they were terrific old guys. They weren't whiners or complainers, just Americans who were proud to serve and defend their country. It's their country too.
The movie and George Lucas might suck bigtime, but it was a great story and deserves to be told.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 11, 2012 08:56 PM (sJTmU)

524 In the '70's I was a Civil Air Patrol cadet. I spent a one fine summers day tallying touch and goes at the Grosse Isle, Michigan airport. The airport used to be a USAAF base in WWII.
While I was performing this important task for the FAA, I met an old man who told me he used to fly P-47 Thunderbolts. He bragged to me that he personally pointed a gun at the head of a black pilot who only wanted to enter the Officers Club.
Unfortunately, this man is probably dead and will never suffer the ignominy of seeing this movie. I will be going to watch this movie with my children so I can dishonor the memory of this P-47 pilot I met over 30 years ago. Fuck him and may he rot in hell.

I think Lucas moves are the Microsoft Windows of the Entertainment Industry. They're adequate and most of the time they work. I am not a movie critic and I care more about how the story is told than how realistic the CGI looks.
Judging from the trailer, I think I will not be disappointed.


Posted by: Lottaguns at January 11, 2012 08:56 PM (1KIjV)

525 The movie may blow donkeys, I don't know. But, Lucas isn't lying. I work in H-wood. Want to know why most movies suck? Why it's nothing but re-makes and sequels? Money. Period.

It's all done on spreadsheets, and is very matter of fact. There's no racism involved in the equation. The mentality would be something like this: This film will cost us 35 Million to market. That means this film would have to make at least 70 Mill, just to recoup the Marketing. But, wait...Lucas paid for it. So, he'd be first dollar out (e.g. he'd have to make the production money back, before the Distributor got theirs. Roughly). The budget was 60 Mill. Essentially, the film would have to make 150+ Mill before everyone recouped their cash. This film would appeal mostly to Black People and there are no "stars". Black folks are a minority. Therefore, we don't think enough Black folks would pay to see it to generate the numbers we need.

In a nut shell.

It's a nightmare to get a movie made anymore. Trust me. Good? Entertaining? Engaging? Never enters the equation. It's all about the spreadsheet. Which is why you see the same bullshit over and over.

Posted by: Bat Guy at January 11, 2012 08:58 PM (cheRG)

526 Nobody will finance it after they saw the screenplay. In the grand finale, the good ace and the evil Nazi ace (who strafed the heroic mascot dog) crash near each other and engage in a ten minute (are your ready for it?) sword fight using the blades from the broken propellers for weapons.

Posted by: Will never watch a Lucas movie agian after crystal skull at January 11, 2012 08:58 PM (0cBMc)

527 Saw the trailer in the theatre a few weeks ago and the models could have been a bit better, and the dialogue had me raising my eyebrows a bit (that's not the way people spoke then!), but it seemed to have the potential for good air combat scenes. There's been a dearth of good air WW II movies (esp. ones with good air battles). Memphis Belle was awesome, IMHO.
Lucas has a LOT to atone for (like 1-3 Kingdom of the Shitty Props), but I'd go see this. It has potential; shame if it doesn't turn out to be historically accurate as another poster claims.

Posted by: Linlithgow at January 11, 2012 09:04 PM (Gim9y)

528
It's a nightmare to get a movie made anymore. Trust me. Good? Entertaining? Engaging? Never enters the equation. It's all about the spreadsheet. Which is why you see the same bullshit over and over.

I watched 'Helvetica'

I guess I can watch a movie about Visicalc

- so long as there are tits.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 11, 2012 09:07 PM (h6mPj)

529 521
I liked unstoppable, but I think I liked the SNL parody even more.




Heh, i hadn't seen that, sums up the movie well. Yeah it's formulaic as hell but meh, i liked it. just looked it up and i'm surprised it isn't a Bruckheimer flick, it's got all the hallmarks of one.

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2012 09:09 PM (EjNp5)

530 Yeah after his last movies I think Hollywood just isn't willing to try with Lucas. They know the Star Wars product will sell even though Lucas is a hack, but other products? Would you pay to see anything at all Lucas makes, if it isn't Star Wars?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 11, 2012 09:10 PM (r4wIV)

531 I just finished a good, old book by Martin Caidin, "Fork-Tailed Devil: The P-38". Now there's an airplane. You can have your P-51, I'll take the Gabelschwanz Teufel any day.
I know we had all those "Pearl Harbor" movies, and "Baa, Baa Black Sheep" on TV, but how about a Movie on the 475th Fighter Group in the Pacific, in their awesome P-38's? With a guest appearance by Charles Lindbergh...and the most fantastic fighter ace of the day, a fellow by the name of Dick Bong? Hollywood gold, right there.

Posted by: 66chevelle at January 11, 2012 09:10 PM (QjSgY)

532 Lake Placid is sooooo bad it's good. Maybe even fabulous. I
watch it several times a year with my kids. Hilarity ensues.

*Oh no. There's two of them.* [BLAM] *Back to one.*

[Holding up a severed toe] *Does this look like your suspect?*
*No, I think he was a little taller.*

And, Betty White!

Posted by: I've lost my nic & I can't get up at January 11, 2012 09:14 PM (Onw8c)

533 No you don't get it. This is a sort of soft
denialism. Not actual denialism, where you deny the fact, but instead
just insist "I don't want to hear about these things, ever, and that's
my right."





See, no-one is saying that except you. I'm not only not unwilling to hear about it, I've done my own voluntary reading on it. It's not news to me. I've never thought our ancestors were saints, and I'm willing to hear about their sins, and I do so in my own reading of history. But when someone, say, stands up in the middle of a classical music concert, or, lacking the skill to actually show real problems in cinema and so turns their head to the camera metaphorically to deliver an out-of-character didactic lecture in the middle of a movie, or even takes the opportunity to big-foot a commencement address to their paying customers, then yes, I do object to that. At the very least I'd like to be able to call it what is, part of a one-way street in terms of what's acceptable to say in polite society.

I can tell this means a lot to you, but you're reading something into my words that isn't there, and something into the original commenter's that I just don't see.


Posted by: Dave R. at January 11, 2012 09:21 PM (bAsJQ)

534
In summary:
Hollywood sucks. They have no original ideas, and now create message movies to pit one group against others.
Slavery sucks, it was worldwide for a VERY long time and everyone has an ancestor that was enslaved.
Liberals suck. They agree with movies that want us all to be convinced that we government slaves.


Posted by: seamrog at January 11, 2012 09:23 PM (uhONM)

535 Fuck you people! Watch Jagarna, best movie ever made.


Brit puppet com Mongrels has a Morgan Freeman character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkL42MgGjtk
Morgan Freeman Lamb From BBC 3's Mongrels

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 11, 2012 09:24 PM (G6kli)

536 "Slavery sucks, it was worldwide for a VERY long time and everyone has an ancestor that was enslaved."

Still worldwide, just not getting the press it should. Where the fuck you think foreign hookers come from?

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 11, 2012 09:26 PM (G6kli)

537
Foreign hookers ? I guess they'd come from outside the country.
Are you talking about sex slaves ?
I know it still exists in way too many places, I meant that it's now seen by many (not enough) to be wrong.

Posted by: seamrog at January 11, 2012 09:46 PM (uhONM)

538 #250

Yep, Roger Zelazny did it in a 1966 novel called 'The Dream Master.' My favorite element was the genetically modified for intelligence German Shepherd guide dog that would steal its owners self-driving car to run his own errands while she slept.

Zelazny was on quite a roll back then. 'Lord of Light' remains one of the greatest SF novels but will probably never get a proper mini-series as it deserves.

Posted by: epobirs at January 11, 2012 10:42 PM (a4g9j)

539 Not sure if this has been mentioned but the movie "The Red Baron" available on Netflix streaming has some pretty good WWI dogfights in it.

Posted by: Son of Liberty at January 11, 2012 10:45 PM (ZCq3c)

540 if hollywood cant market a film w/ a black cast how do you explain "Undercover Brother"???

Posted by: chas at January 11, 2012 10:47 PM (xAq1C)

541 I've had a chance to see some of the Tuskegee Airmen speak.
They are no more subject to telling others what heroes they were in the war than are other veterans. Some of them refuse to talk about it at all. But being cast as heroes in a bullshit George Lucas flick shouldn't happen to them. They "gave at the office" as it were.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 11, 2012 10:55 PM (3ESDJ)

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Posted by: hftvj at January 11, 2012 10:58 PM (PiiND)

543 #330

Hurricane? No. For the same reason 'Bowling for Columbine' should not have been nominated and awarded as a documentary. They were mostly works of fiction.

If Bob Dylan does a song about you being innocent, you aren't. It gets worse from there.

Posted by: epobirs at January 11, 2012 11:01 PM (a4g9j)

544 Actually, 2nd officer Lightoller (one of the real heroes of the Titanic sinking) and a number of his men went into the water, then spent the night hanging on atop an overturned collapsible life raft. Most of them survived.

I've never understood why DiCaprio doesn't just get on top of the stupid crate, and then have Winslet lie on top of him. Sharing body heat as a bonus.

But then, since the movie realistically portrays the Titanic sinking in nearly a dead calm, I've never understood why the captain didn't have his many unemployed crew members start cobbling together makeshift life rafts from the enormous selection of expensive hardwoods about to get dragged to the bottom. Only would have had to stay afloat for a couple of hours - Smith knew exactly when the Carpathia would arrive.

Posted by: Disillusionist at January 11, 2012 11:04 PM (oySG3)

545 #544

As depicted in the movie, the debris was barely keeping most of Kate Winslet out of the water. Just a little more weight would have greatly reduced her chance of holding out long enough for rescue. It wasn't a matter of there not being enough surface area for both of them.


Posted by: epobirs at January 11, 2012 11:52 PM (a4g9j)

546 The Airmen themselves were brave enough, but they were only trained because Eleanor Roosevelt insisted on it and FDR was old and sick and tired of listening to her kvetch about it. They saw action near the end of the war.

Some try to "debunk" the claim they never lost a bomber they were escorting, but that was not their claim, it was shortened. They never lost a plane to enemy fighters - they were the fighter escorts, obviously they couldn't stop anti-aircraft fire or mechanical problems. Of course, by that time we had bombed all the factories and Germany had almost no fighters left, and saved them to defend the most important targets like Goering's porn collection.

They did serve with distinction and bravery and sometimes heroism, but their role was hardly critical, more of a PR thing by that time (1944). I knew a pilot, a legit Flying Ace who was sent home with five confirmed kills because he had flown too many combat missions, who trained them at Walterboro. SC, where the Memorial is now. He said they were brave enough, but awful pilots. He said they were rushed through the whole process to ensure they saw action, he considered it like handing a kid a machine gun and saying "Go kill Heinie."

There are some fantastic stories in their history, but most involve the training and post-training period.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 11, 2012 11:59 PM (VfmLu)

547 If you like dogfight movies, Wings (192 is hitting Netflix soon. Clara Bow is hawt!

Posted by: gp at January 12, 2012 01:15 AM (FIQk5)

548 "Clara Bow is hawt!"

She really is. She was an amazing screen presence. After seeing her in "It" (which made her the It Girl), I was intrigued enough to read a bio of her. She made the transition to sound more successfully than most silent stars, but was waylaid by schizophrenia, an inherited condition. The early symptoms of schizophrenia may account for some of her erratic behavior in Hollywood, although accounts of her promiscuity seem to be exaggerated.

Re this new movie, I don't think Lucas wrote or directed it, so who knows, it might be good.

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Posted by: pipe fittings at January 12, 2012 07:06 AM (E4h7T)

550 Didn't realize this was Lucas. I got turned off by the trailer because:
a.) it reeks of a hollywood lecture about race, like we don't get enough of those. Nothing says "it's February" like a historical movie with an all black cast.
b.) it looks like that awful abortion of a movie Jerry Bruckheimer made about Pearl Harbor. That's one movie I wish I could "un-see." This looks similar.
c.) bad CGI. Go back to the movies of the '80s when special effects were done with real cameras, models, and sets. They look better than today's movies.
Of course, now that I know it's Lucas, that pretty much seals the deal. What? You think I've forgiven you for the Star Wars prequels and the Massacre of Indianna Jones? Not in this life.

Posted by: SamInVA at January 12, 2012 08:38 AM (rFiOs)

551 The Tuskegee Airmen hype has officially gone off the rails. Only one of those pilots was ever an ace. And in the movie trailer, the P51 backwards flip with the machine guns blazing that managed to strike a lucky hit to the ME109.... actually did happen. But uhm...in reality the pilot was a cocky little Italian white guy with a Brooklyn accent.

This entire Hollywood fable is just in time to boost the "unprecedented historical black accomplishment" meme that is designed to glorify the unprecedented historical black accomplishment-Chicago-Messiah in the WH.

It's official: Democrats are propaganda whores.

Posted by: The Media Sux at January 12, 2012 10:56 AM (lLeix)

552 Lucas is rich enough to finance this movie himself. If he doesn't want to risk his money, why does he expect others to risk theirs?

Posted by: mike at January 12, 2012 11:34 AM (WNvlG)

553 Lieutenant? Put your mask back on and leave it on.

One, that's where the oxygen that lets you breathe is coming from.

Two, that's where the microphone that lets me hear your is.

Posted by: McThag at January 12, 2012 12:33 PM (zElJI)

554 This is a re-hash of HBO's Tuskegee Airmen from about 10 years ago.

Posted by: chad at January 12, 2012 01:35 PM (kcdd5)

555 I don't like that the ME-262's appear to be flying in a "finger four" formation that doesn't actually resemble a finger four. In fact it looks like they are all flying in a line formation, at the same altitude, and in such close proximity that they'd be sucking each other's jetwash.

#531: Yea I think the P-38 Lighting is an awesome aircraft. I was at a park just outside of Austin that was right next a aircraft hanger for a nearby airport. Lo and behold this crew rolls out a P-38 from the hangar and runs up the engines to do some maintenance and tuning. They repeatedly ran the engines up and down to full throttle and the lope on the engine idle was sexy. One thing that you just don't get a sense of when watching a documentary is just how big the P-38 really is. Which makes more sense to me know when I hear the pilots makes comments that the P-38 just couldn't yank and bank in a dog fight.

Posted by: HeftyJo at January 12, 2012 03:49 PM (rfXgR)

556 Posted by: Y-not at January 11, 2012 07:54 PM (5H6zj)

Been a Titanic nut since I was a kid. Bought a stock certificate from IMM before anyone ever heard of James Cameron's 'Titanic'.

I HATE that movie. I love it because of the sets, and seeing the ship 'brought to life' but I hate it for the overly simplistic characters, the lies about real people who died that night, the factual inaccuracies (there were a lot), all so James f-ing Cameron can scream "I'm king of the world"! It was an event that changed maritime history, that marked the end of innocence just before the carnage of WWII; it wasn't something that should have been trivialized and made into a story about a gem and a love affair that wasn't believable.

On a personal note, I always wondered why no one lashed deck chairs and all sorts of other things into rafts.

As for good recent movies :
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy - bit obtuse, better editing could have made it easier to follow (I've read books about spycraft and I found it a tad jumpy at times). Great acting all around.
Sherlock Holmes - based on reviews, didn't expect to like this one. REALLY liked it. I (heart) RD, Jr., and he was brilliant. Might like it better than the first...
Tin Tin - I LOVED Tin Tin! Was fun, great CGI, without too cartoony a style, great voice acting... was terrific. We plan to see it again this weekend. =)


Posted by: Linlithgow at January 12, 2012 10:05 PM (Gim9y)

557 Which makes more sense to me know when I hear the pilots makes comments that the P-38 just couldn't yank and bank in a dog fight.
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