For Rick Perry
(Caucus Day Bump)

Bumping: Just giving it the college try. I added Perry's closing argument ad at the end.

There are two main sorts of primary voters: Those who know too little, and those who know too much. As for the former -- there's not much I can do about them. They don't read this site, or probably too much of any political source.

Maybe they read Time. Bless their hearts.

The online community consists mainly of the latter -- we know a lot about the candidates, and are each making complicated decisions about trade-offs between electability and agenda (and likelihood of advancing that agenda).

My belief is that we know so much that the secondary and tertiary level things we know are crowding out the primary things we know. That is, that we know a bunch of second- and third- order things and knowing so much is crowding out consideration of the top-level, major bullet-point, controlling facts.

I am in favor of Rick Perry because, while I am informed about the second- and third- orders of information, I remain focused on the first order stuff.

First, biographical and character details. Much of the More Informed cohort of the party seems to be giving these factors short shrift. I would suggest to such folks that a certain type of candidate tends to prevail in elections, and that type of candidate tends to have a positive narrative in biographical and characterological traits.

Rick Perry did not marry his high school sweetheart. He married his grade school sweetheart. He has never been divorced as as far as I know there haven't been any rocky patches in his relationship.

Those who discount the importance of that, especially to women voters, are making an error, I think.

I can only say so often that the swing voters in the center of the country are among the least-informed voters on the planet. Every survey demonstrates that, despite their claims to be all about "the substance" and "the issues," they know less about the substance and the issues than partisans on either side of the aisle.

Being apolitical, they're not very interested in politics. Stands to reason. This means, then, that they don't read much about politics.

Their decision-making is very superficial. Although I do not think that Newt Gingrich's affairs/divorces history is a disqualifier, I think it cannot be entirely discounted.

Some people think that because the media stressed Obama's intellect in the last election, they will do so again, and thus it is important to have an intellectual like Gingrich as our standard-bearer.

You don't the media very well if you accuse them of consistency. Let me suggest to you that if Gingrich is the nominee, the media will not be stressing intellect and brainpower (as, in their estimation, it's a draw).

No. They will be stressing Obama's faithfulness to his wife and their two beautiful children.

The media stresses whatever attribute the Democratic candidate trumps the Republican one in. In 1992 and 1996, the media ignored the virtue of military service in Republican nominees George Bush (the elder) and Bob Dole, and suggested it was relatively unimportant, championing the greater intellect and ideological flexibility of one William Jefferson Clinton, who, as you might remember, dodged the draft, using political connections to secure a higher draft number.

And yet in 2000, Al Gore was sold as a "veteran" of Vietnam, while George W. Bush was portrayed as a draft-evader, and the same in 2004, when John Forbes Kerry announced that he was "reporting for duty."

Dan Rather did a story about Bush's supposed failure to "report for duty" at the Texas Air National Guard.

I would suggest that we should not get too hung up on fighting the last war, because the media will simply change the rules of engagement. It is true that Gingrich can go toe-to-toe with Obama on policy wonkery; it is also true that that is the very reason the media will lose all interest in intellect as a basis for comparison or qualifier for high office.

Should Gingrich be our nominee, be prepared to do a lot of double-takes as faithfulness and devotion to family suddenly becomes the key trait in a president.

The media will call Rick Perry stupid, of course. And Perry has armed them with weapons to use on this front. However, his gaffes are now several months old, and he hasn't repeated them.

Further, the media has called our candidate "stupid" in every single race where it could be argued the Democratic candidate was a singe IQ point smarter than the Republican one. We're used to that, and we've won elections despite that.

After doing poorly in college, Rick Perry joined the Air Force. Not the guard, either. The actual active-duty Air Force. He is, then, a veteran, if not a combat veteran (as far as I know he never saw any engagement or action, as he was flying big transport planes).

Barack Obama did not serve in the military. That is perhaps the most understated sentence in the history of communications, but since people are interested in drawing contrasts, consider that one.

Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich did not serve in the military either. I do not wish to attack either man but both were of draftable age during Vietnam.

Both of these men are smart. And they're smarter than Perry. (They're also easily smarter than pampered princeling Barack Obama but the media will never credit them as such.)

And I cannot and will not say that brainpower is unimportant. I would however say that character matters too.

Several other bits and pieces of Rick Perry make him a central-casting type candidate -- I don't know if he grew up poor, per se, but he grew up modest, certainly. His background is that most Heartland of backgrounds -- hardscrabble farmer.

And he's America's longest-serving governor in America's second-largest state. Texas is no tiny little state. It has nearly the populace of California. He's served as governor there for 11 years (and for two years before that, as lieutenant governor).

The media and liberals (but I repeat myself) will attack Perry, predictably, as stupid, but there is a strong rebuttal to such a claim: If he can't perform the duties of Chief Executive, then how is he's been successfully performing the duties of Chief Executive?

America, and especially the Republican party, has long favored elevating governors to the presidency. Governors are, after all, the presidents of single states. They have nearly the exact same duties and functions (including even maintaining and controlling the state national guards). They have similar executive powers and set the agendas for their respective legislatures. In the case of border states such as Texas, they even require some foreign policy making duties.

No job in the world really prepares someone for the Presidency. But one job, more than any other, comes fairly close to doings so.

So Rick Perry cannot handle high executive office?

Then how is it he's been doing just that for 11 years?

(And if you want to object that Texas has a weak-governor system, with a lot of power vested in the lieutenant governor position -- well, they claimed that about George W. Bush, too. And claimed that Rick Perry actually was doing all the hard stuff in his then-position of Lieutenant Governor. So wherever the power lies in Texas, Perry has handled it, in both jobs.)

The stakes in this election are enormous. The next president may well appoint five justices the Supreme Court, essentially choosing our basic jurisprudence for the next 30 years. This will be the presidency in which we make fundamental decisions about debt, and spending, and entitlements. Decisions on those may decide our fiscal policy for the next 20 or 30 years, too.

But while those are the stakes of this election, the election will actually turn on... Jobs.

Unemployment is at 8.6%, with real unemployment around 16%. For the sake of comparison, unemployment during the Great Depression hit 25% at its high. We are not there yet, but we've consistently been at around 9% for years (with real unemployment higher).

Primary voters tend to be strongly ideological. We have very strongly held beliefs about abstract notions of government and "The Good."

But general election voters -- especially those swing voters -- do not have strong opinions about such matters. Otherwise they would be partisans for one camp or another. They tend to be pragmatic, rather than abstract, thinkers. They do not have any prevailing theory of governance, which is what gives them the flexibility to vote for George W. Bush in 2004 and then an all-but-declared socialist four years later.

They care almost entirely about results, because they have no underlying theory that might explain away failures (as Obama's endless theories explain away his failures, at least to his partisans).

I remember that, by the third debate, people were complaining that they were sick of hearing about Texas producing 45% of all jobs created in America the last two years, and sick of hearing that Texas has created one million jobs while America has lost two million plus in the last ten years.

I understand that High Information voters, who knew this before Rick Perry announced it, might be "sick" of hearing about it.

But the fact of the matter is: That should have been said more, not less. So here it is again:



That bit about "jobs-adding states" is important and also> adds to Perry's case, because the bulk of these states are under conservative rule. It's not just that Perry Is Magic-- other states that put the same policies into effect likewise have similar results.

When you get down to it, that is the winning message of this near-depression election cycle.

Other candidates may have theories about their preferred economic system hypothetically producing postulated good outcomes. The ideologue Ron Paul, for example, will regale you with tales about what Austrian Economics might do, were they ever actually put into practice.

Rick Perry can say, "My policy is to have a low tax burden on wealth-creators and a fair and predictable regulatory scheme which does not seek to pick winners and losers, and here is how that has worked out in Texas."

Not theoretical. Not hypothetical. This is what actually happened.

Partisans, being ideological, tend to be over-swayed by expressions of ideological belief. Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul are champion ideology-slingers.

But what decision or action has either made that has actually had a tangible, measurable, concrete effect on the economy?

Oh they've both "fought" losing battles, casting symbolic votes in their capacity as Congressmen Who Don't Really Do Anything Except Give Speeches.

But what has either actually done?

If you think the unaffiliated, mostly apolitical voters in the center are going to be swayed by full-throated announcements of steadfast ideological commitment, you're guilty of universalizing from your own experience.

If they thought that way, they would not be independents. They would, like you, be declared partisans and ideologically-motivated voters.

Speeches are nice but facts are what change minds. Reagan became a very popular president by his fifth and sixth year. It wasn't because of his ideology and speechifying -- he had the same ideology and said mostly the same thing in speeches when he was at 40% approval in his third and fourth year.

It's because of the fact that the economy was producing jobs by his fifth and six year.

If Reagan had only had good speeches, without good facts to back those speeches up, he would not be an especially fondly remembered president today. In fact, he'd've probably been a one-termer, had the good fact of a rapidly-growing economy not existed when it did (about a year, year and a half before the election).

While some people are focusing on the three total hours of debates in the general election season, I'm focusing on the hundreds of hours of campaign ads stressing the fact of Texas job creation, until people want to hang themselves.

Yes, they'll be sick of it. But they will remember it.

One last point I'd make is that I, and you too, know what Perry's plan is for his first term in office, in a way that you don't know what Romney's is, or Gingrich's is.

What is Romney's plan/theme? Well, he's got a 59 point plan to fix the economy. As they said in The Way of The Gun, a plan is just a list of things that aren't going to happen.

I know his theme is that he's a turnaround guy, and that he'll use his managerial expertise to fix the government.

This theme, of itself, really doesn't tell me what is most important to Romney.

I will say this without fear of contradiction: A president can only really push 3-4 major initiatives in his first term, and 1-2 in his second. By the last half of his second term, he's a lame duck, and is chiefly clocking time and fighting off efforts to undo whatever he's done in the first six years.

Realistically, a president will push for 3-4 big things in his first term, and sometimes not even that.

What are Romney's 3-4 big things? What are the 3-4 big things you know animate him and drive him?

I'm guessing you don't know. I would guess further that Romney doesn't know.

I level the same criticism at Gingrich, who is gaining popularity by pitching a series of policy widgets and Bold New Thinking gadgets which he will never, even if he had three terms, actually pursue.

Illustrative of this is when he was asked if he would consider forgiving college debt. He used the question to note a school in Appalachia which requires students to work 20 hours per week and hence keeps them from acquiring too much debt.

That is an interesting anecdote. It is also irrelevant, unless Newt Gingrich has a plan to compel colleges to implement a similar program. As he's never brought it up again, I assume he does not; so why bring this up at all?

It's an interesting little story. But it's what I expect if we're all sitting around spitballing college bullshit session ideas. I don't expect Newt Gingrich to ever propose something tangible based on this anecdote, and I think most people would be alarmed if he did suggest that federal policy would begin dictating such things to colleges.

Similarly, when asked about health care costs, he eventually (after some stalling) suggested that it was wiser to invest in a vaccine for Polio rather than spending money on iron lungs (for people who suffer from the disease).

I can hardly argue with that. I can also hardly extract any policy guidance from it.

What would Newt actually do in office? I don't know. I know his theme is "Bold, Fundamentally-Transformative Ideas," but I"m not sure what on earth these ideas are.

Does he have 3-4 ideas his mind is set on? Or does he have 100, 96 of which will never be pursued, and we are to guess which his actual Core Four will be?

The latter, I think.

I think Gingrich and Romney are both pushing managerial skill here, essentially arguing "We can do more with less, if we think about government in a smarter way." I agree with that to some extent, but I don't think this is the year for just promising to "work smarter." I think this is the year to seriously question if government should be doing so much (and doing so poorly at what it does).

I think this is the year to stop saying "We can afford that if we use our resources in a smarter way" and start saying "No, we're not going to do that."

I do know Perry's Core Four. Although he's gotten a bit spasmodic lately in pitching new ideas as he tries to secure constituencies for his ailing campaign, his Core Four is what he announced right out of the gate:

1. Keep taxes as low as possible, because citizens spend money wisely and create new wealth when permitted to use their money as they wish.

2. Keep the regulatory climate "fair and predictable" and overturn new attempts by the government to micromanage private enterprise.

3. Start producing energy here in America, rather than purchasing it from countries which are often hostile.

4. Make Washington, D.C. as "inconsequential to your lives as possible," by devolving as much power as possible back to states and localities, consistent with the original goal of the 10th Amendment.

Some of Perry's 10th Amendment ideas I consider glib, half-baked, and near-extremist-- like the suggestion that perhaps individual states could manage social security for their citizens.

That idea will go nowhere and in fact is no longer discussed.

But that impulse -- the idea that the first questions should always be "Wait, does the federal government need to do this? Is it even constitutional that they do this?" -- is the right impulse. Even when he's wrong on this issue, he's wrong for the right reasons.

Gingrich and Romney may be smarter than Perry, and perhaps Romney would even be a more skilled technocratic administrator of government. (Gingrich seems far too disorganized and flighty to engage with this part of the job too much, apart from proposing bold, fundamental changes and then moving on to something else.)

But I don't want someone who is so confident that he is a more capable administrator of federal power. I want someone who is skeptical of federal power no matter who wields it, no matter how skilled and able an administrator he might be, even if that administrator is he himself, and so always prefers to shunt power away from the government to to the states, and their citizens.

Those are the four things Perry seems committed too. Those are the four ideas he has.

Perhaps he's not smart enough to have more ideas than that.

Which is fine with me. I don't want a President with many more ideas than that.

That's how we got here, after all.

Endorsement co-signed by cobloggers John E., Andy, rdbrewer, Ben, Gabriel Malor, lauraw, Slublog and Dave In Texas.

Additional endorsements at RedState, where Dan "Baseball Crank" McLoughlin pens an endorsement undersigned by most of the RedState crew, and by Mike Flynn, editor of Big Government.

Closing Argument Ad:

Posted by: Ace at 03:55 PM



Comments

1 Huge and central to the campaign...

Posted by: CanaDave at December 19, 2011 05:24 PM (9GltQ)

2 Valid points re: Perry.

In other news, the main page is huge, plus this page is all....centered.

Is the blog broken?

Posted by: shibumi at December 19, 2011 05:25 PM (z63Tr)

3 Uh... thanks?

Posted by: Rick Perry at December 19, 2011 05:25 PM (ht6OV)

4 Rick Perry is something of a conundrum.

He is a good slow thinker but a HORRIBLE fast thinker. Slow thinkers can govern well, maybe even better that fast thinkers, but slow thinkers do not debate well.

I would need to take a valium (or two) before watching Perry attempt to debate Obama. You just know that ther liberal moderators would be out to trip Perry up with "List the 5 major leaders in the Middle East today..." type questions.

I would seriously have to turn the debate off in the second hour because we all know a deer in the headlights moment was coming.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at December 19, 2011 05:27 PM (uVlA4)

5 Should Gingrich be our nominee, be prepared to do a lot of double-takes as faithfulness and devotion to family suddenly becomes the key trait in a president.
Note that that didn't mean squat while Slick Willie was short stroking around the White House.

Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2011 05:28 PM (OlN4e)

6 I support Rick Perry.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 19, 2011 05:29 PM (t3mKS)

7 Perry is a good candidate....unfortunately I just don't believe he has a legitimate shot at getting the nod!
It would have helped if he was a better speaker!

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 05:29 PM (JMsOK)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 05:30 PM (KxyHe)

9
I'd vote for Perry in a heartbeat over Romney, but I don't trust that he will articulate conservative principles very well. The media will paint him as a dummy and his debate performances will solidify that perception. Add to that the fact that he will be tarred and feathered with the Bush/Texas link and I wonder if he will win over the middle of the road folks.
Romney is an attractive candidate because he has nice hair. If I had any faith that he would fight for conservative government I'd be more enthusiastic about him.
The third candidate I would consider is.......ooopsy I forget.

Posted by: California Red at December 19, 2011 05:30 PM (DXTKe)

10 Obama was my door , man. Nine years old, and he could lead a water buffalo like no one else.

that's where his motto, "get some !!" comes from.

and you're right about Perry. But you aren't The Media

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, im Tal der wilden Rosen at December 19, 2011 05:31 PM (UqKQV)

11 "However, his gaffes are now several months old, and he hasn't repeated them."

Uhhh, NO. How long ago was it he stumbled on the number of SCOTUS justices?
A rational, "just the facts" man would count on Perry muffing several questions regularly and those gaffes being the MFM story of each debate. Can he /we weather it...I don't know...doubtful.

Posted by: I have no hope at December 19, 2011 05:31 PM (MbeEN)

12 Yeah get Rick Perry up on stage for questions from me:

Answer me, these questions three . . . .

Thus ends the Republic.

Posted by: Tim The Enchanter at December 19, 2011 05:31 PM (xqpQL)

13 You owe me one new wheel mouse, Ace.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 05:32 PM (rOPwp)

14 Rick Perry can say, "My policy is to have a low tax burden on
wealth-creators and a fair and predictable regulatory scheme which does
not seek to pick winners and losers, and here is how that has worked out in Texas."

How are you we expect that he will make this case in the general if he's done such a poor job of it thus far in the primaries. Sure he's getting hammered over BS, but that's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 19, 2011 05:32 PM (ht6OV)

15 er, DOOR GUNNER, man

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, im Tal der wilden Rosen at December 19, 2011 05:32 PM (UqKQV)

16 " I want someone who is skeptical of federal power no matter who wields it, no matter how skilled and able an administrator he might be, even if that administrator is he himself, and so always prefers to shunt power away from the government to to the states, and their citizens."

Hear, hear! Pure Calvin Coolidge. The roof fell in after he left office.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (Gfgj6)

17 Another movie review so soon?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chique) at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (21lBC)

18 I've been a Perry backer since before he got in the race.Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (7WJOC)

19 The nation ought to have had it's fill of "geniuses" by now.


Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama.

What all these "geniuses" had in common was they made a horrible mess of things, the consequences of which we are still dealing with today.

In actual effect they were idiots.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (t3mKS)

20 Jesus, with the media so biased against us, how the hell have we managed to get any Republicans in office?

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 05:34 PM (zLeKL)

21 I like Perry the best but will vote for anyone but Ron Paul vs SCOAMF.

Ace, this statement may be the most important thing I have read for the election of 2012. Please keep repeating this over and over again as we move forward. Anyone who stays home in a pout for his favorite candidate needs to see this daily:
The stakes in this election are enormous. The next president may well
appoint five justices the Supreme Court, essentially choosing our basic
jurisprudence for the next 30 years. This will be the presidency in
which we make fundamental decisions about debt, and spending, and
entitlements. Decisions on those may decide our fiscal policy for the
next 20 or 30 years, too.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2011 05:34 PM (baL2B)

22 ^
This (pointing to ace's entire post).


Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:34 PM (5H6zj)

23 Remember what was done with, "I actually did vote for the $87 Billion, before I voted against it."

What would/will the DNC do with, "OOPS!"

Posted by: disualifier at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (Y3y58)

24 *How are you we to expect that he will make this case

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (ht6OV)

25 Horry shiite that was long. What was the title of the movie again?

I not sure that "longest-serving governor" part is a positive attribute. We did nearly replace him the Kay Barely Republican in the last election.

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (SDkq3)

26
Team Perry. On it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (0yt4x)

27 Yeah ok, if Palin doesn't get in I'll probably go with Perry.

Is there a Conservatives Without A Heart willing to be Rick Rolled group?

Posted by: DaMav at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (QNU76)

28 "Do we want another Texas governor?" I'd say, yes, we need about fifty seven of them.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2011 05:35 PM (FcR7P)

29 Remember what was done with, "I actually did vote for the $87 Billion, before I voted against it."

What would/will the DNC do with, "OOPS!"

Really? They're still gonna use that if Perry is our candidate? Something that will be long forgotten by spring? Riiiight.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 05:36 PM (zLeKL)

30 OH MY CLUCK, I JUST CLUCKING CAME IN MY CLUCKING PANTS... SOOOOOO MUCH CHICKEN-CLUCKING!!!!!111!

Posted by: That Chicken at December 19, 2011 05:36 PM (gVqQ3)

31 Mark Steyn said in a recent column that the over weighted emphasis being placed on debates, that leaders have to be people who are foremost good at standing around and TALKING is what got us into this mess.

Posted by: manofaiki at December 19, 2011 05:36 PM (iGKkt)

32 Ya know, I didn't even read all of what ace wrote. I'm just gonna assume I agree with everything he wrote.

Perry 2012!

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 05:36 PM (zLeKL)

33 Even though Texas has created some nice job growth....Perry needs to articulate exactly how it is done on a nationwide basis....it has to be a plan that everyone recognizes....a plan with depth!
It was one thing to say "let's tap more of our own resources,let's cut regulation and taxes for business, and let's cut the size of government," but unless it is part of a much larger fully developed strategy with vision into the future and goal oriented toward a specific economic outcome......it is just smoke getting blown up the rear portal.
Does he have that....do the others?

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (JMsOK)

34 Nice summary Ace, but that line about Perry not ever having a rough patch in his marriage? I gather you've never been married Ace?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (eCnLg)

35 The problem is Perry's issues are the exactly the same thing as Bush's issues. It's not that he has to prove he's not stupid (or just that). He also has to prove he's NOT BUSH.

I don't know if he can get past that, but at the very least, his campaign team has to realize this is what's going to happen and plan accordingly.


Because if I, the conservative who actually likes Perry realizes this, then no doubt the dumbfuck Independents will see it too. "Ewww another Texan governor agains? Me no likey!" *pulls lever for Obama*

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (16UJh)

36 I don't agree with the essential thrust of this post, as I simply don't think Perry can beat Obama in a head-to-head matchup due to the 'not smart enough' crap (which I think is largely unfair). I feel quite certain that we would lose with Perry as our nominee.

But unlike Gingrich, I could genuinely SUPPORT Rick Perry should he win the nomination. I like the guy on a gut level. I like his biography. I agree that he seems to have character (although lord knows that bunch of "Texas hardball" stories would emerge should he win the nomination), and character really does count with me. He's definitely conservative enough. And his jobs record in Texas is something that can't be gainsaid by anyone, even if you can make a lot of arguments about how the credit ought to go to the structural factors of Texas being full of conservative, business-friendly Texans rather than Perry's policies.

In fact, all of those reasons are why, as some may remember, I was a Perry guy for awhile after he first announced. He had me, then he lost me. I still don't think he can win, but the qualities which I admired back then, plus a few which he's actually revealed on the campaign trail (namely the ability to take his lumps with good humor and make fun of himself), haven't changed. I would donate, I would work Virginia GOTV, and I would root hard for him too.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (hIWe1)

37 Thank you, thank you Ace! I love and concur with everything you said!

I said this in the other thread, but I want to mention it here: Mitt is using the same campaign playbook as Med Whitman. Meg told everyone endlessly how she would use her business experience to turn around the economy in CA.

Some people say she lost because she was a Rino. I disagree. I think she lost because people, in general, don't want to vote for the 1%. She was seen as a rich lady trying to buy herself an election.

I think Mitt too is handicapped as a rich guy who seems to want to buy himself an election. And the business experience isn't as big an attraction to voters as some people think.

So I think it's a big, big mistake to go with Mitt simply because you think he's electable.

Posted by: Recluse Spider at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (eScuN)

38 I would vote for Perry over Romney, without a doubt. I might well vote for him over Gingrich.
Unfortunately, Perry seems utterly incapable of convincing more than a handful of Republican voters to do the same.
Since the primary qualification for being President is becoming President, it sure would be useful to Perry to figure out how to get people to vote for him in the primaries and caucuses. Because his resume isn't running -- he is.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (Di3Im)

39 Answer me, these questions three . . . .

What is the ground speed of an unladen swallow

Posted by: MSM interviewing any Republican at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (6TB1Z)

40
The stakes in this election are enormous.

And that's why we delivered our A-Team candidate slate. You're welcome, America. Keep those donations flowing, ya hear?

Posted by: GOP Strategy Geniuses at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (ErTq7)

41 Does this mean Harold Stassen isn't running?

Posted by: Rondinellamamma at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (S6vfi)

42 Jesus, with the media so biased against us, how the hell have we managed to get any Republicans in office?

There's the newspaper, and then there's what you see in front of your face.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (FcR7P)

43 Keep in mind that the eventual nominee will not be running solely against Obama. He will running against the press, cable TV news talking heads, late night TV talk show hosts, the entire media culture. And I think we already know how that culture feels about Republican governors from Texas.
It's not a steep hill. It's straight-fucking-up, all the way.

Posted by: Jones at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (8sCoq)

44 Really? They're still gonna use that if Perry is our candidate? Something that will be long forgotten by spring? Riiiight.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 05:36 PM (zLeKL)

It won't be long forgotten because it'll be repeated ad nausem, as was Kerry's.


Posted by: disualifier at December 19, 2011 05:38 PM (Y3y58)

45 It is troubling that this narrative is so clear, yet ace isdescribing a candidate that 90% of primary voters have not seen. Why is he doubling down on school prayer and gay soldiers in Iowa if this is so clear to all of us? None of this makes sense, and it is infuriating.
Perry has traded his narrative for success for absurdity. I understand what ace is saying, and I'm coming around to voting for him (in FL), but I don't pretend that answers any of the ridiculousness that was (and continues to be) his rollout and campaign.

Posted by: Paper at December 19, 2011 05:39 PM (IvlIt)

46 The very mindset of Independents that will decide this election is the very thing that will make Perry probably lose to Obama. These apolitical assholes will not do due diligence, they will not look into Perry's record or character, as you have done ACE.

The MSM will compare Perry to Bush, both Texans, both have some sort of speech impediment. Perry appears stupid when he talks (I know he is not). But he has a sort of jumbled speech process so that he is unable to articulate the conservative position. The independent idiots will mostly buy the media treatment of Perry, and think he is Bush II. And the Left made Bush the most hated man in America.

Those that are undecided will watch the debates (With Perry Obama will ask for 3 debates...all moderated by MSM/Dem hacks, maybe one moderated by Fox News, but Fox News will open up for questions from Twitter and Perry will get all sorts of "Why do you hate fags?" questions.

Posted by: Jehu at December 19, 2011 05:39 PM (wXl2T)

47 Because if I, the conservative who actually likes Perry realizes this, then no doubt the dumbfuck Independents will see it too. "Ewww another Texan governor agains? Me no likey!" *pulls lever for Obama*

Nope. They will get tired of Obama blaming Bush after four years in office. Really.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 05:39 PM (zLeKL)

48 Some people say she lost because she was a Rino. I disagree. I think she lost because people, in general, don't want to vote for the 1%. She was seen as a rich lady trying to buy herself an election.
Posted by: Recluse Spider at December 19, 2011 05:37 PM (eScuN)
Meg Whitman lost because the unions pretty much have a lock on California politics at the state level.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:39 PM (Di3Im)

49 "Rick Perry did not marry his high school sweetheart. He married his grade school sweetheart."
Hell, he's got our vote!

Posted by: Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Zombie Errol Flynn at December 19, 2011 05:39 PM (jAqTK)

50 What would/will the DNC do with, "OOPS!"





Really? They're still gonna use that if Perry is our candidate? Something that will be long forgotten by spring? Riiiight.
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Even more than that, chique d'afrique pointed out earlier today that if they decide to go gaffe-o-matic on our candidate, we have plenty of clips of Obama to use as well.

As for selling his jobs record in the primary, I'd say that it will be much easier to focus on the Big Four things that ace listed in the general against a single opponent than it is in a primary with six to eight other candidates.

Perry clearly was caught off guard when he was attacked for not being conservative enough. That ain't going to happen in the general.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:40 PM (5H6zj)

51 No. They will be stressing Obama's faithfulness to his wife and their two beautiful children.






And everyone's forgotten about that Chick Who Shall Not Be Named with the initials VB. Is she still kickin' it in the Caribbean?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (G+B5p)

52 I've been a Perry backer since before he got in the race.Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (7WJOC)
Perry's in the race? Not according to his poll numbers, he ain't.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (Di3Im)

53 I was going to say a lot of the same things you just said in this post Ace. Now I don't have to.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (jucos)

54 THANK YOU!
You've articulated my impressions of Perry and explained why I decided early on to support him for president. He is a fighter and will take the fight to Washington.
As one of his famous lines says, re Obama:
"Adios MoFo!"

Posted by: Whitehall at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (FmPSC)

55 What is the ground speed of an unladen swallow

Top speed of a swallow depends on many things, but cruising speed is around 50-60 km/hr.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (bjRNS)

56 Hey Ace, this is 1) an important post and 2) littered with typos. How bout reading through it and cleaning it up?

Posted by: km at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (bUzQD)

57 "Rick Perry did not marry his high school sweetheart. He married his grade school sweetheart."


Hey I married a girl I went to day camp with before grade school. Can I be President?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (eCnLg)

58 Really? They're still gonna use that if Perry is our candidate? Something that will be long forgotten by spring? Riiiight.

Really? You doubt that they will use that? And that it will be effective? Riiiight.
Since the primary qualification for being President is becoming President,
it sure would be useful to Perry to figure out how to get people to
vote for him in the primaries and caucuses. Because his resume isn't
running -- he is.

I don't often agree with you, but when you're right, you're right.


Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (6TB1Z)

59 I tend to support Salamander because he's ugly as hammered sin and red headed like that stepchild everyone always wants to knock the crap outta....

Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2011 05:41 PM (OlN4e)

60 Woah. .....A long post....in support of our guy Perry. .....Thanks for this, Ace.
*rips off clothes*
*rolls around in the sheer wonderfulness of it*

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2011 05:42 PM (HvKWW)

61 I think Michael Barone has it about right. At least I think it was Barone who first wrote about this, but it's been the subject of conversation here and around the web for a couple weeks now. It has to do with voters perception of the amount of time the country has to turn things around and which candidate best figures into that equation. It's a much better lens for the individual to view this election than "electability", which is lazy and simplistic and an all around less knowable criteria. Electability is a factor but it's secondary and claims of it should always be taken with a grain of salt.

I think we have a very limited amount of time to purposefully reform the welfare state to something more manageable before events force reforms. We don't have a short time to completely reform the government, but a short time to get enough fundamental reforms through to reverse the trend towards genuine DOOM. I'm not talking about a zombie apocalypse, more like a protracted period of chaos followed by a Big Fat Question Mark. I'm talking about a sort of Argentina on steroids.

I think that window will be the first two years of the next presidency, and that assumes the Rs hold both houses and the executive.

Another assumption I'm operating from is that Congress will not be a rock and will have to be forced to make the big reforms.

Anyway, that's the perspective from which I rank the candidates.

I see Newt as high risk/high reward. He's unpredictable and erratic, and he has a ton of baggage. He could implode or explode anytime. But he is also a master of policy, rhetoric, history, The Process, and he loves to fight. He has a huge ego but it's combined with a broad perspective. He'll do what will make him look good in 50 years rather than the next news cycle. If he wins, he'll be a policy machine and I don't think the House will have time to do anything but try to temper and improve his ideas. That could potentially mitigate the wobbliness in Congress that threatens to cripple any real reform. He might be able to prevent DOOM. Maybe.

I see Perry as moderate risk/moderate reward. He has developed an unfortunate image as a less articulate, less intelligent, and less worldly George W. Bush. I think he could probably still win but I'm afraid he won't be able to deliver in the debates or on the stump. And if he did win I don't think he would be able to produce legislation ahead of Congress or influence legislation in the right direction. He would be more of a figurehead for the R regime without any tools to get shit done. I think as president he would be unable to prevent the half-measures that will flow from congress. In the end he would probably be unable to prevent DOOM.

I have Romney as high risk/low reward. The meme that he is the most electable is hogwash. He's riskier than Newt for completely different reasons. The premise that he will be able to attract "moderates" or the "center" is wrong. The thesis that moderate Rs attract independents has been proven wrong time and time again. There is also some number of potential people that simply will not vote for a Mormon. I don't think it's a huge number but the problem exists. But the big killer for Romney is that he has zero chance of motivating the base and creating a big turnout. I suspect that's the reason the false "electability" meme is so popular with his proponents. It's a screen meant to obscure the obvious. If the various Tea Party/Reform/Libertarian/etc factions aren't enthused about the candidate and working hard to get him elected it will be very hard to beat Barry.

What happens if Romney wins? We'll have a wobbly congress and a president that is more like to temper their already insufficient half-measures. He'll be the "bipartisan" president that "compromises" and "represents all Americans", which as we all know is New Speak for ineffective legislation and incremental leftism. Result: DOOM.

My last point is that there is a huge number of very informed, very ideological/philosophical people out there who also happen to be extremely disillusioned with the GOP and the government in general. I'm count my self as one of them, and the only thing that will motivate me to do something other than prepare for DOOM is if I see the potential for revolutionary reform. And when I look at the three candidates we have I only see that potential in Newt.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 19, 2011 05:42 PM (N/1Dm)

62 Unfortunately, Perry seems utterly incapable of convincing more than a handful of Republican voters poll respondents to do the same.

fify, although "handful" is pushing it a bit

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:42 PM (5H6zj)

63 Even more than that, chique d'afrique pointed out earlier today that if they decide to go gaffe-o-matic on our candidate, we have plenty of clips of Obama to use as well.
Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:40 PM (5H6zj)
The spin will be that the brilliantObama simply misspoke because he was tired and under enormous pressure at those moments, whereas Perry isa dolt.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:42 PM (Di3Im)

64 Speeches are nice but facts are what change minds.

I agree the jobs angle is an especially good one for Perry, but I think you are a bit off on this.

The election will likely be a referendum on the current president, as was the case in 2004, 1996, 1984 (and sort of 198.

Any Republican who can differentiate himself from Obama (not so fast Romney) can make the jobs argument, because they can point to the central fact that the economy lost jobs under Obama and they will try a different approach.

Yes, yes Perry can follow that up with "and my state actually created jobs!" but I see that as a small benefit tacked onto the larger fact that Obamanomics have failed and presuming a competent Republican campaign Obama will be called out on it repeatedly.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 19, 2011 05:42 PM (7BU4a)

65 34
Nice summary Ace, but that line about Perry not ever having a rough
patch in his marriage? I gather you've never been married Ace?

Plus, he forgot the most important fact of all. Perry's wife is easy on the eyes.

(Sadly, only half kidding)

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (6TB1Z)

66 >>>It is troubling that this narrative is so clear, yet ace isdescribing a
candidate that 90% of primary voters have not seen. Why is he doubling
down on school prayer and gay soldiers in Iowa if this is so clear to
all of us? None of this makes sense, and it is infuriating.

Yeah, this is kind of a problem, too. Perry's got the record and the narrative Ace is crafting for him, but right now in his desperation he's selling something completely different, something that's actually going to turn off a huge number of folks in the general election (and the primaries too, for that matter).

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (hIWe1)

67 Liked your graphs, but what about the other 7 states?

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (gmeXX)

68 I'm gonna bang some retards after reading that.

Posted by: Rick "One Debate Only" Perry at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (H/kgP)

69 Damn that was a long read.

But, well done, Ace.

Posted by: Sponge at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (UK9cE)

70 Perry 2012.

Endorsed by:

Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner, Blitzen and that greatest reindeer of all......Rudolf.

Best,
Reindeer Consortium of America

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (iYbLN)

71 OT Jon Bon Jovi dead at 49.

Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (87cmJ)

72 The spin will be that the
brilliantObama simply misspoke because he was tired and under enormous
pressure at those moments, whereas Perry isa dolt.
Last night I pointed out that is exactly how Snopes handled Obama misstatements vs Bush ones. The former are not necessarily true because everyone knows he just misspoke, but the later are signs of Bush's lack of intellect...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (7BU4a)

73 Leave to JeffB to be the STD in fraternity house.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (iYbLN)

74 Very well said. I came to this conclusion yesterday while talking about this with my parents.

Perry is my guy, and I vote in the Iowa Caucuses on Jan 3rd.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (UEEex)

75 @71

What the hell?

Heart attack?

Posted by: Dave at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (Xm1aB)

76 "The media will call Rick Perry stupid, of course. And Perry has armed them with weapons to use on this front. However, his gaffes are now several months old, and he hasn't repeated them."

What's a gaffe?

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (euEe+)

77 The spin will be that the brilliantObama simply misspoke because he was
tired and under enormous pressure at those moments, whereas Perry isa
dolt.

Aw hell, let's do it anyway, make 'em go full on Baghdad Bob in front of everybody! Popcorn ahoy!

Posted by: DarkLord for Prez!
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78 THANKS!

You left out EAGLE SCOUT! National Board member of the Boy Scouts of America, wrote a book about the scouts.

I can assure you Scouters in this country will come out for Rick. I am on our local board, and we have MILLIONS of parents of scouts nationwide who VOTE.

"In your heart you know he is right"

You guys remember?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (hXJOG)

79 OT Jon Bon Jovi dead at 49.

Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (87cmJ)
Him and little Kim?

Posted by: Your Average Obama Voting Twitterphile at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (7BU4a)

80 71
OT Jon Bon Jovi dead at 49.


Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 05:43 PM (87cmJ)
It's a hoax.http://tinyurl.com/8yzjufd

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (X6akg)

81 Link http://tinyurl.com/78zd2ss

Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (87cmJ)

82 If Perry is the candidate, it will also mean that the primary season will extend until at least June. This is better than having Romney for sure, but it also means that he will have near universal name recognition due to his performance in the primaries and debates.
He can't get a pass for the next six months and then hit the reset button in July, then expect to win an election in November. He has to campaign reasonably starting in January, and I just don't see him capable.
Still, I'd rather say that I tried to stop Romney.

Posted by: Paper at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (IvlIt)

83 Good article, ace. Very well thought out. I wish you could get it published somewhere that would give it more visibility than even here.

About the gaffes, Obama has made so many of them that I wouldn't worry about it. It would be delicious having all the uninformed voters find out how, ahem, articulate tye SCOAMF is after all this time of being assured that he's brilliant.

I was really impressed by Newt but now, not so much. He lets his brain get ahead of his brain too many times.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chique) at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (21lBC)

84 What's a gaffe?
Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (euEe+)
It's what gaffers use to make movies.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:46 PM (Di3Im)

85 Perry is the guy. I just hope that enough people notice in time that it will matter.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 19, 2011 05:46 PM (hcJkV)

86 Perry loses to Obama by 11 points in the RCP average. That's only a point or two better than Palin was doing just before she announced she wasn't running.

Posted by: Jon at December 19, 2011 05:46 PM (mQ2ib)

87 But he is also a master of policy, rhetoric, history, The Process, and he loves to fight.
Except when he's happy sucking up to the hard left.

Posted by: San Fran Nan's Couch at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (7BU4a)

88 You know what another problem with Perry is? At this point, he has become essentially a boutique candidate. If you think about it for a second, you'll realize that he is literally to the "online conservative activist" clique what Jon Huntsman is to the MSM/No Labels goofballs (and again they share a similar irony in that Huntsman coulda been a real contender given his record had he run a different sort of campaign): a guy who holds our attention and loyalty, but lacks (or has lost) the ability to appeal to the wider GOP electorate.

Doesn't it strike anyone else as weird that literally the ONLY people still pushing Perry are bloggers?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (hIWe1)

89 If recent performance is any guide, they won't have to bring up previous gaffes (but they will) or inflammatory statements (but they will).

I hate saying this but Romney's been very smart here by saying as little as possible up til now and playing for the independents.

Plus now matter what you THINK of what he says, he hasn't done anything (so far) really stupid or gaffetastic.

I won't vote for him in the Primary but I sure will in November.

Posted by: Vote for me I'll get you stuff at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (xqpQL)

90 @86

That's now.

Posted by: Dave at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (Xm1aB)

91 Barack Obama did not serve in the military. That is perhaps the most understated sentence in the history of communications...
This is my kind of humor right there.
I do believe Perry's impulses are good. I also think that's about what he's capable of--impulses.
I keed.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (puy4B)

92 I'd be OK with Perry if he didn't believe that there's a role for government in promoting social issues.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 19, 2011 05:47 PM (9eDbm)

93 What's a gaffe?

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at December 19, 2011 05:44 PM (euEe+)



A fishing implement used to land whoppers......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2011 05:48 PM (G+B5p)

94 Tami at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (X6akg)

Thanks. Pretty real looking hoax. Damn interwebs.

Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 05:48 PM (87cmJ)

95 Perry's endorsements so far, that I know of:
Senator Jim Inhofe.....Gov. Bobby Jindhal.....Gov. Brian Sandoval.
Veterans for Perry....which includes two MOH recipients and several Generals, and other officers.
Ted Nugent....Gene Simons.
Does anyone know of any other endorsements?

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2011 05:48 PM (HvKWW)

96 Please tell me this is not the thread we will be stuck with for the next few hours.

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (oif6Y)

97 Well said, Ace.

And here's hoping for a Perry comeback.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (QKKT0)

98
OT Jon Bon Jovi dead at 49.

WTF? Any word on how?

As for all the comments about the general:

a) they're premature (for any candidate).
b) All of our candidates (as I posted in the previous thread) have problems to overcome.
Romney is the definition of the 1%er. The rich scion of a rich family whose claim to Business fame was breaking up failing companies, selling them, and exporting large numbers of jobs to China and India. You and I know that's not necessarily a bad thing (though it's not necessarily good, either), but most low information voters don't think about that.
Newt is so erratic, and has metric butt-loads of baggage.

So stop with "but the Media would...!" They're going to do that anyway. Get over it. We'll beat it the same way we did with Reagan and GW: by showing facts (on the ground, mostly, the MFM won't 'let' us do it) that prove them wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (KxyHe)

99 >>>Hey Ace, this is 1) an important post and 2) littered with typos. How bout reading through it and cleaning it up?


All the typos are intentional, there to make you wonder about the magic of words and spelling, and slow you down as you read. Like speedbumps, but with misspellings.

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (nj1bB)

100 "Should Gingrich be our nominee, be prepared to do a lot of double-takes as faithfulness and devotion to family suddenly becomes the key trait in a president.

Note that that didn't mean squat while Slick Willie was short stroking around the White House.
Posted by: maddogg"

Because the serious journalists' job isn't to inform the public, it is to get the liberal elected.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (euEe+)

101 He can't get a pass for the next six months and then hit the reset button in July, then expect to win an election in November. He has to campaign reasonably starting in January, and I just don't see him capable.
Posted by: Paper at December 19, 2011 05:45 PM (IvlIt)
Are you referring to Perry?
He has to campaign reasonably starting in January August 2011 (four months ago), and I just don't see him capable.
FIFY - and yes, unless he has a time machine, he's a bit behind the 8-ball.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (Di3Im)

102 96

There is always this topic.

http://tinyurl.com/7xou2pg

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (iYbLN)

103 And you laid out a nice platform for Perry ACE. Has he emphasized that platform with reckless repetition...nope. is he known for those stands...nope. Why...because he hasn't thought it through, hasn't done his homework, not taking the challenge seriously. Could he, perhaps. Has he, nope.
Wishcasting bud.

Posted by: ABO at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (MbeEN)

104 Excellent, excellent post. Learned a lot from that one.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (zSUIh)

105
If it does turn out to be Perry, OdipO can just run the old Bush/McCain Perry economics commercials. Wouldn't work, I don't think, but for the re-minder of Bush might make a difference at the margins.

I have the same problem with Perry that Ace had with Palin. He should spend more time "knowing things".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (JYheX)

106 The spin will be that the brilliantObama simply misspoke because he was
tired and under enormous pressure at those moments, whereas Perry isa
dolt.

It doesn't matter what the spin is. The images will be out there. People will grow tired of those sorts of attacks quickly and both sides will drop them.

The point is not to say Obama is a dolt. The point is to innoculate Perry from those attacks.


And I gotta say to those who are worried about the prospect of running another Texan after George W, I think running a creature of the Beltway like Newt or a rich and privileged money guy like Romney is just as bad. All three candidates require a strategy to deal with gut impulses, but Perry's is no worse than the other two guys'.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (5H6zj)

107 Perry loses to Obama by 11 points in the RCP
average. That's only a point or two better than Palin was doing just
before she announced she wasn't running.

Posted by: Jon at December 19, 2011 05:46 PM (mQ2ib)
So historically how does primary polling match up with election results?
How, for example, was John Kerry doing v Bush in the winter of 2003?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 19, 2011 05:50 PM (7BU4a)

108 Credibility risks are a bite in the fanny. "Compassionate conservatives" make me sick to my gut. I hate gov't bullies TAKING MY MONEY AND GIVING IT TO ILLEGALS!! I'll do charity MY WAY, not Bush's way, The Obamunist's way, or Bush's clone's way.
Mandate my kid's VD shots -- You're out!
Mandate I give up land to the Co-Prosperity Sphere/Superhighway -- You're out! Look the other way while illegals flood emergency rooms and close hospitals for everyone --You're out! Mandate bait for illegals to self-import their slave labor -- You're out! We saw what "compassionate conservatism" is with Bush, and he is "Mr Christianity" too.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at December 19, 2011 05:50 PM (LgjGs)

109 As a Texan, I just want to be all nitpicky and say that Perry was Lieutenant Governor for a little under two years, not four years. He was elected Lieutenant Governor in 1998, then became Governor in December 2000 after George W. Bush was elected President and resigned as Governor.

Posted by: Some Guy at December 19, 2011 05:50 PM (RR8+k)

110 Speaking from experience, I caution Rick Perry that sound ideological underpinnings and a conservative record are no match for (1) Southern drawl, and (2) mockery by George Will.

Posted by: Fred! Thompson at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (vjyZP)

111 86
Perry loses to Obama by 11 points in the RCP average.

It's December 2011. Who fucking cares?

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (iYbLN)

112 Well done ace, but, but, but Perry luvs dem illegals more than America. /sarc

Posted by: observer at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (fD3Qb)

113 I would suggest that we should not get too hung up on fighting the last war, because the media will simply change the rules of engagement.
I have a somewhat radical idea: howzabout we on the Conservative side of the aisle establish the rules of engagement for once. Let's take charge, cite the SCOAMF's record of failure and make it the central issue of the campaign. As you've pointed out,Ace,(and we've all said repeatedly) there is much low-hanging fruit to be picked and hurled back at like bad actors on the stage.
Why not start with Washington's own statistic-keepers, you know, those wonks that work for O'Fuckup's own administration? The ones who say that that there are now record numbers of people on food stamps or living in poverty. Yeah, those people. Citing those numbers that come straight out of the bowels of DC itself will be a powerful tool to persuade the squishy, unthinking middle.
Start the pounding with that, and then don't let up. Be as resolute as the MFM is in repeating that message at every opportunity. Take a page from Neut's playbook and start challenging the idiot talking heads in the MFM by redirecting their idiot questions onto the real issues. In short, fuck them first and put them on the defensive. It can be done, what disappoints the Moron Horde no endis that the establishment GOP doesn't seem willing to do it.
Why?
In short, have some balls and use them all the time. This can be an historic election, the nation pretty much hinges on this election: we either reclaim this country for the real people andthe Founders Principles, or we start sinking even faster than we already are.
America is ready to see some real strength from a candidate. Let's hope and pray that Rick Perry is that man.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (d0Tfm)

114 "However, his gaffes are now several months old, and he hasn't repeated them."

Ace's bullshit inaccurate definition of "several" also applies to the bottles of vodka he drinks every night.

Perry is a gaffe machine. Good or bad, right or wrong, his gaffes are as baked in the cake as all of Romney's and Gingrich's flaws are.

Ask Dan Quayle how he got over the public image of him once it was set. If you can find him in obscurity, that is.

Posted by: Bullshit at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (gVqQ3)

115 Once Rick Perry shot a coyote while jogging. This will win him every state from the Rockies to the Missisippi River.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (1+CnU)

116 And for ranger's next trick he will provide a link that proves Mitt Romney really is the most conservative candidate.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (GULKT)

117 Doesn't it strike anyone else as weird that literally the ONLY people still pushing Perry are bloggers?

They're not. But thanks for playing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (KxyHe)

118 Thank you Ace! Dead on. My support and my money are going to Perry.

Posted by: bsclark12 at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (7yh7x)

119 All the typos are intentional, there to make you wonder about the magic
of words and spelling, and slow you down as you read. Like speedbumps,
but with misspellings.

You. Bastard.

Posted by: Evelyn Wood at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (QKKT0)

120 Thanks for this, Ace - it's been sent along!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (0xqzf)

121 He had me at black cowboy boots with suits. I love the man and will campaign for him with the enthusiasm of a welfare queen buying steaks on your dime.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Perry miracle at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (fYOZx)

122 I'll be happy to see Algore's ex-campaign operative fade away very shortly.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (LgjGs)

123 Well, I guess this is an early Christmas present for we Perrybots.

BUT, we have a lot of work to do, so lets get busy and weed out these brain dead other candidates and get to the gun fight.

Romney can't hit the broad side of a barn and the NY Times has already started piling on his Bain, shit, see today's paper.

Ron Paul will fade, he always does. The Salamander must be selling books, like Herman, he's got no one that knows him voting for him. Wonder why?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (hXJOG)

124 RE: Perry's Core Four

These 4 are so broadly defined that every candidate (sans Ron Paul) also supports them - in a broad way. Not much for me to stand up take notice to differentiate him from the other candidates. Wann be more specific and include his "9-9-9" plan....errrr the 20% flat tax? OK, then we can debate whether that's a good plan or not. But keeping taxes low? Less gov't regulation from DC? Energy produced in the U.S.? Those better be the bare minimum for an eventual GOP nominee to get behind. If they aren't already a given, we're doomed.

Posted by: Michelle Bachmann's Cackle at December 19, 2011 05:52 PM (rjz6q)

125 If it does turn out to be Perry, OdipO can just run the old Bush/McCain
Perry economics commercials. Wouldn't work, I don't think, but for the
re-minder of Bush might make a difference at the margins.

A lot more people are put of work now than then (my husband included.) More people have had their houses foreclosed, their cars repossessed. Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (iYbLN)

126 >>>Leave to JeffB to be the STD in fraternity house.

Erm, what is it I wrote that you have a problem with? If anything, I was very complimentary of Perry, saying that although I really don't think he can win, I like him a lot and would do my level best to help him (and who knows, maybe he could pull it off).

I'm not attacking him, because other than his problems with presentation and articulacy (which are huge, and major problem, but are already well-rehearsed), I like him. Heck, I remember being pretty much one of the ONLY people around here -- including former big supporters of his -- who actually was defending Perry after the whole "drunk New Hampshire" speech kerfuffle, saying that it made me genuinely like him more than before.

I do think the cake is baked at this point, though. And I also (as noted above) think that the angle he's now plying in Iowa -- social con crap like school prayer and gays -- is self-defeating given the way it marginalizes him. (Besides, Santorum and Bachmann have that demographic pretty much permanently locked up anyway.) But hell, if Rick were take the nomination I wouldn't be pissing in the punchbowl.

Newt, on the other hand. God, Newt...is just egregious.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (hIWe1)

127 Since Reagan, Republicans have never went with a person who could speak well in public.Neither of the Bush's, Dole or McCain coulddazzle a crowd with their oratory, none of them were the kind of people with a vision. We'd always have to hold our breath during the debates hoping that we wouldn't have our guy freeze up and forget one out of three points like Perry did.
Newt is different, he has a vision and can articulate it well, and I don't think he'd have any trouble defending himself against the smear machine. Not all of Newts ideas are good ones but I think he has the wisdom to work on them as a team with others and winnow out the bad ones.

Posted by: exceller at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (Z7Znk)

128 Please tell me this is not the thread we will be stuck with for the next few hours.
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (oif6Y)

Happy to. "This is not the thread you will be stuck with for the next few hours."

Posted by: Jones at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (8sCoq)

129 I'm late to this discussion and I admit that I have not read all the comments.
I've been busy filing the paper work for citizens of my county to run for county office as Republicans. We all got an extra day this go round and I, as a very new County Chair, needed it.
That said, It sure stuck me as odd that the people in my livingroon who raised their right hands and swore to defend the Constitution of the United States of America all took it more seriously than Obama did,
Rick Perry will take the Oath of Office to heart and do his level best to defend each and every American, our laws, our borders, our rights.
I know who I'm voting for.

Posted by: Pecos, Perry in a blaze of Glory at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (2Gb0y)

130 About the gaffes, Obama has made so many of them that I wouldn't worry
about it. It would be delicious having all the uninformed voters find
out how, ahem, articulate tye SCOAMF is after all this time of being
assured that he's brilliant.

Chique-I usually agree with you, but not on this. We have to worry about it. It isn't fair, but the uninformed voters simply won't find out. We know about Obama's gaffes because we follow politics obsessively on non-MSM dominated blogs. But the low info voters will get their information from Oprah and Brian Williams. They'll never hear anything negative about the chosen one.
I hate saying this but Romney's been very smart here by saying as little
as possible up til now and playing for the independents.

Gosh, it's almost as if he has a predetermined strategy based on analysis of the situation and the discipline to follow it through. You certainly wouldn't want that in a president.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (6TB1Z)

131 "The spin will be that the brilliant Obama simply misspoke because he was tired and under enormous pressure at those moments, whereas Perry is a dolt."

That's what's hilarious about the "corpse" thing. His awesomeness didn't just say it once. He said it twice. Which would indicate that it wasn't just a slip of the tongue.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (euEe+)

132 Exactly why I am for Rick Perry.

He HAS to balance a budget.. he actually knows how to do that.
JOBS.... Texas is the gold standard in America for jobs.
Perry has a great character.. and that matters to me.. alot.

Go Perry. I am sticking with ya.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (qjUnn)

133 tl;dr
As a California resident, I expect the candidate to have been pretty much selected by the time I get a chance to vote in the primary. I also expect that my vote in the general won't count for anything. Just like 2008.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (IrbU4)

134 Tl; dr

Posted by: Rick Perry at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (h+uuY)

135
"Meg Whitman lost because the unions pretty much have a lock on California politics at the state level."

You are certainly correct, but I think the right candidate could have pulled it out. I know (anecdotally) some people, including union members, who were quite fed up with them.

But I want to clarify my other point about Meg Whitman, Mitt and the 1%. I don't think that people are bothered by anyone's success so much, but someone's life story does matter. Ace makes that point very well in his post. And that is Perry's advantage- that he is seen as someone who has been through hard times and that others can relate to.

Mitt lacks this in his life story. I think it is to his detriment in a close election. I still think he could probably win, but I want to emphasize that I don't think Mitt's narrative as a fixer with business experience is as big of a seller as some people seem to think it is.

Perry, IMO, is every bit as electable as Mitt and possibly more so. He's more down to earth, more likable and has less flip-flopping baggage. People want someone who seems to know who they are and what they stand for. I think it will be a big seller in the general if we can overcome our hand-wringing about the debates.

Posted by: Recluse Spider at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (eScuN)

136 It is troubling that this narrative is so clear, yet ace isdescribing a
candidate that 90% of primary voters have not seen.
----
I'd like to know on what you are basing this assertion. You seem to be implying that Newt and Romney have had more air time and face time with voters than Perry has, but where's the evidence of that? Newt has been cash-poor and not running very hard and Romney has skipped several candidate forums (as well as tv appearances until recently).

Romney, for all of his familiarity to GOP primary voters, is not broadening his support. If Perry really is underexposed, he has a chance to move up. 'Not sure what it will take for Romney to move up.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (5H6zj)

137 some guy, thanks, I will correct that.

>>> "Compassionate conservatives" make me sick to my gut. I hate gov't bullies TAKING MY MONEY AND GIVING IT TO ILLEGALS!! I'll do charity MY WAY, not Bush's way, The Obamunist's way, or Bush's clone's way. Mandate my kid's VD shots -- You're out! Mandate I give up land to the Co-Prosperity Sphere/Superhighway -- You're out

dude.

Ron Paul, then, eh?

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (nj1bB)

138 "tl;dr

As a California resident, I expect the candidate to have been pretty
much selected by the time I get a chance to vote in the primary. I also
expect that my vote in the general won't count for anything. Just like
2008."
Donate, and your support counts for many votes.

Volunteer in an early state, and your support counts for hundreds of votes if you put your back into it.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (rQ/Ue)

139 So now we know what you were doing all day.

*Pays off to cob loggers on losing "watching busty lesbian Internet pr0n" vote*

Posted by: Andy at December 19, 2011 05:55 PM (J26il)

140 115
Once Rick Perry shot a coyote while jogging. This will win him every state from the Rockies to the Missisippi River.

We're suing!

Posted by: PETA at December 19, 2011 05:55 PM (hXJOG)

141 I have to say,the conservatives in my family(which is most of my family),now largely think Perry is a joke.I don't agree with them on this obviously but they make jokes about how stupid he is.He has a tough hill to climb getting people to change their opinions.In many cases people who startec out in support of him now think he is a dummy.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 05:55 PM (7WJOC)

142 In short, have some balls and use them all the time. This can be an
historic election, the nation pretty much hinges on this election: we
either reclaim this country for the real people andthe Founders
Principles, or we start sinking even faster than we already are.
In short [insert MSM talking head name], my policy will be to reverse the last 4 years, where under Barack Obama, real unemployment has grown to 16%, inflation on food stuffs, including arugula Barry, is through the roof, and our deficit has sextuplet - that's times six for you Barry.

Posted by: 18-1's Candidate Answering every question the MSM asks him, including his favorite muppet at December 19, 2011 05:56 PM (7BU4a)

143 There is always this topic.http://tinyurl.com/7xou2pg

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!!


Never have so many been so happy about HTML borking:

chaz%20bono%20and%20his%20fianc%e9e...

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at December 19, 2011 05:56 PM (oif6Y)

144 He's won state-wide election four times in Texas, where politics is as rough and tumble as it comes, including three terms as governor. He can win Hispanic votes. I can't get over Newt sitting on that sofa with Nancy and his $1.6 million worth of deadbeat housing advice; Romney believes in man-made global warming and a government health care, so he can't get more than 25% of the GOP vote. It's gotta be Perry!

Posted by: Phil in Houston at December 19, 2011 05:56 PM (Sb4ot)

145 So I guess no one wants Al Gore?

Posted by: Palin Steele at December 19, 2011 05:56 PM (hXJOG)

146 A weird thing happened when Bush debated Gore. Bush was likeable but in terms of policy not so strong. Yet even the media conceded that Bush had won the debate. Why did they do this when nobody would have laughed it they'd called it for ManBearPig?
Because they began to see what a tool Gore was as a person, how stiff and condescending and just unlikeable.
We always know our candidate is going to have to beat the opponent onthe media's pitched playing field. But they went pretty easy--generally--on Dubya because they began to dislike their candidate. It could happen again, too.
Of course, they knew Poppy and approved of him, so they weren't going to be outcasts for saying something nice about Dubya.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 19, 2011 05:56 PM (puy4B)

147 "

Gosh, it's almost as if he has a
predetermined strategy based on analysis of the situation and the
discipline to follow it through. You certainly wouldn't want that in a
president.


Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (6TB1Z)"
Yeah, on paper it sounds good. In effect, it doesn't appear to be working. Romney has a lot of advantages. He was a contender in 2008, spent the most then and in this primary too, and had the most endorsements then and this primary as well.Yet, he just can't expand his support at all.He's lost a lot of elections. Maybe he's not a good politician once it's time to put his clever politicking into effect, or maybe politicking isn't everything.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 05:57 PM (rQ/Ue)

148 My belief is that we know so much that the secondary and tertiary level things we know are crowding out the primary things we know.


Right, I agree and I think that's been driving this primary season 100 times more this time than ever before. We've been overwhelmed with far too many debates, which is putting an insane amount of overemphasis on how well someone does in debates rather than in their job as an executive. In that, the clear choices are Perry, Cain, Romney, Huntsman in that order.

We need to elect the guy who is best qualified, will do the best job in office, and will be able to defeat President Obama. I think anyone running now can beat Obama except Bachmann and Paul. I think most of them can do the job, but the ones that would do it best - in terms of carrying out the nuts and bolts of doing the job) are probably Huntsman and Perry.


As for the best qualified, Perry has the best record in office of carrying out conservative activities, despite some stupid things (immigration, for instance), he has shown he's very capable as a governor.


So while he's not my first choice in the world, and while I think he's got some serious negatives, he's the best candidate applying for the position.


I just wish we had better applications on the stack.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2011 05:57 PM (r4wIV)

149 I do believe we're gonna lose this election, folks. What a waste. All these unnecessary hard times...

Posted by: sandy burger at December 19, 2011 05:57 PM (0U+Pz)

150 Another thing is that unlike McCain, Perry won't stand back while the MSM trashes him but will fight back and hard. He won't run to lose honorably. Remember there's a lot of stuff your average citizen does not know about Obama.

At least. That's the impression I get.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chique) at December 19, 2011 05:57 PM (21lBC)

151 Perry is a gaffe machine. Good or bad, right or wrong, his gaffes are
as baked in the cake as all of Romney's and Gingrich's flaws are.

In the general election:

Option 1: A gaffe machine with a demonstrable history of maintaining an environment that promotes job-creation and economic growth;

Option 2: A gaffe machine who causes the Dow to fall 200 points every time he opens his stupid yap in front of a teleprompter.

I think even uninformed voters will choose Option 1.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 05:58 PM (QKKT0)

152 When Rick.. Uhhhhh....... Perry! Is our last hope the nation is in trouble. Why can we not in a country of over 300 million people not find an articulate conservative with an IQ over 140.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 19, 2011 05:58 PM (hC5jI)

153 "99 >>>Hey Ace, this is 1) an important post and 2) littered with typos. How bout reading through it and cleaning it up? "

Geniuses can't type fast enough to keep up with their brilliant thoughts.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 19, 2011 05:58 PM (euEe+)

154 Gosh, it's almost as if he has a predetermined
strategy based on analysis of the situation and the discipline to follow
it through. You certainly wouldn't want that in a president.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 05:53 PM (6TB1Z)
Damn toot'n you would!

Posted by: Bush 43 while trying to push through Shamnesty at December 19, 2011 05:58 PM (7BU4a)

155 I'm not in an early state but I donated to Perry until it hurt.

I believe in Perry. I believe this man is a man of his word. A man you could broker a deal with a handshake. A man of principle. After President Butt Plug we need a man of principle.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (iYbLN)

156 The last time there was a "stupid" governor running against a super brilliant President was 1980.
I like that the media will trot out the idiot angle- it is historically a loser for Democrats.
Thanks Ace for this post on Perry- I really hope the poll showing him moving up nicely in Iowa is true.

Posted by: jjshaka at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (/iRhk)

157 But didn't Rick Perry paint some racists stuff on a rock?

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (wW2z9)

158 @141

Steevy,

This worries me and I have heard it before. My son, who worked for the state party one summer, likes Romney.

I can not understand that, unless he has become a "party hack"?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (hXJOG)

159 By the way, are we now allowed to acknowledge that the whole "in-state tuition for illegals" thing isn't the Worst Fucking Crime Against Humanity In The World, Up There With Bergen-Belsen?

Because actually this is one of those places where Romney and Perry make the same arguments (Romney's even said this at the debates): look, you may think what we did in our state is retarded and not like it a bit, but guess what, the Tenth Amendment and principles of Federalism mean that states have a right to make individual decisions that you think are dumb -- it's what the voters of the STATE think that counts. What really matters is not imposing Federal one-size-fits-all solutions.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (hIWe1)

160 I'll take common sense over IQ Every Fucking Day.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:00 PM (zSUIh)

161 steevy,

I know that's out there.

Here's what I'd say. And this was almost it's own post.

I realized what "Thought Leaders" are. Not people who actually influence other people. But instead "leaders" as in "leading indicators," people who think stuff before other people think it.

That's all of us. We know A LOT. We think things before the rest of the country does, because we're waist-deep in this stuff.

Before the Gingrich surge, a lot of people were saying "Gee, maybe I'll support Gingrich" in the live-blogs

We also turned off faster on Perry. And Bachmann. And Cain.

We also started watching Gingrich's TR/FDR/Woodrow Wilson videos.

This is not to say we are smarter or wiser, but simply due to the fact that this is a major interest to us, we know things usually the first or second opportunity to know them. So we tend to lead the public.

Where we are now, people just might be in two weeks.

So as to you, I would say: If you don't find Perry to be a joke, you can have some confidence that, based on your own position as Guy Who Thinks Things Before The People He Knows Does, your family and friends are likely, if not guaranteed, to share you opinion.

Just three or four weeks after you.

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 06:00 PM (nj1bB)

162 But didn't Rick Perry paint some racists stuff on a rock?
Yes, yes he did. And he was insensitive for it. By the way, I still gotta lotta books for sale.....just saying.

Posted by: Herman Cain at December 19, 2011 06:00 PM (OWjjx)

163 I was just a dumb actor, remember?

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan at December 19, 2011 06:01 PM (hXJOG)

164 Never have so many been so happy about HTML borking:

chaz%20bono%20and%20his%20fianc%e9e...


Posted by: s☺mej☼e

Aw shit. Well the short version: Chaz Bono is on the market again ladies.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:01 PM (iYbLN)

165 Rick Perry 3.2 - The Wordening

Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2011 06:01 PM (KjdW9)

166 Perry, IMO, is every bit as electable as Mitt and possibly more so. He's more down to earth, more likable and has less flip-flopping baggage. People want someone who seems to know who they are and what they stand for. I think it will be a big seller in the general if we can overcome our hand-wringing about the debates.
Posted by: Recluse Spider at December 19, 2011 05:54 PM (eScuN)
I agree with you about Perry. Except... he's run a miserable campaign so far, centered not on failures of organization or fundraising but on his own very visible missteps in front of the television cameras. The subliminal message that the GOP voters (poll respondents?) have picked up is that he's no good under pressure, and we already have a President who's no good under pressure... we've been hoping to trade up.
Had Perry, when he stumbled, said, "Uh, ummm.... aw, hell," then pulled his pistol and shot the person he was responding to, he'd have come across as a man of action, not words, and he'd still be the front-runner.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:01 PM (Di3Im)

167 Aw shit. Well the short version: Chaz Bono is on the market again ladies.
Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:01 PM (iYbLN)
Not "Chaz Bono is a lady again, markets"?

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:02 PM (Di3Im)

168 ah, I see Ace has backed up his Perry speak with charts and science. awesome. Well, if Perry can't debate like a conscious person, maybe he can give a good speech?

I didn't know about him marrying his sweetheart, but I thought there's a ton of rumors about alleged, um dalliances with nubiles. Maybe that's just some underhanded rumor mongering.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (QxSug)

169 How does the movie turn out?

all-but-declared actual member of a minor socialist party four years later.
FIFY
Rick Perry can say, "My policy is to have a low tax burden on
wealth-creators and a fair and predictable regulatory scheme which does
not seek to pick winners and losers, and here is how that has worked out in Texas."

It's true but can he actually say it?
I just hear another nice guy governor from Texas when I want "The Rumsfeld Strangler"2

What details are there re. these jobs? Oil boom?

Time to read the rest and goto dinner.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (RDri2)

170 158 Yeah,I can only go by my experience.I've mentioned Perry in conversations with other conservatives and the response was not good.Almost everyone was arguing Mitt or Newt and basically blew any mention of Perry off.He has seriously damaged his image and it will be tough to repair it.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (7WJOC)

171 What happens if Perry gets in third in Iowa?

What happens if say, he does the unthinkable and gets in second?

I wonder how that will be explained away. IF, and I;m not saying it will, but IF that does happen, and he makes a strong showing after all, it would prove that it's not just bloggers pushing him.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (16UJh)

172 How can the MSMshow Obamato besuperior?
-Devotion/faithfulness to wife and family are out.
-Military service is out.
That leaves raaacism andintelligence. I could mention the "handing outfree stuff" issue, butpeople who see that as an issueare going to vote for Obama regardless and are not the swing vote.
Racism is weak to begin with after wearing out the race card, and also Texas is chock full of public figures of all backgrounds who know Perry and who can, and have, vigorously countered the racism ploy - e.g.during the racist rock gambit, when Rs and Ds from all over Texas spoke up for him. And the overlap between the idiots who could be fooled by this issue and the hopless"free stuff" demographic is substantial.
That pretty much leaves intelligence. I want to see them try that now. I would back Perry just to see them try.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (w41GQ)

173 >>>Right, I agree and I think that's been driving this primary season 100 times more this time than ever before. We've been overwhelmed with far too many debates, which is putting an insane amount of overemphasis on how well someone does in debates rather than in their job as an executive.

yup, we have never ever had so many, and we're treating this as if it's normal. And because almost all of the "new news" is about debate performaces, we are overvaluing it.

I think the most important stuff we knew out of the gate. Bio, record, that stuff. Sure, Perry's pisspoor (previous) debate performaces are relevant, and deserve consideration.

But let's not forget the Topline stuff (as they say in polling reports) that we knew first.

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (nj1bB)

174 >>>Yeah, on paper it sounds good. In effect, it doesn't appear to be working.

Um, actually in practice it seems to be working devilishly well. Every time another "not Romney" arises from the pack to seemingly overtake Romney he holds steady and waits calmly for the wave to crash over him without panicking. And now his overall support levels are climbing, and he's left with the unacceptable Ron Paul, of all people, as The Other Guy in IA, a state he had all but given up on winning in the first place.

The race is still fluid, obviously, so no counting of chickens etc. etc. But regardless of whether you like Romney or not, it's impossible to look at his strategy and not think "huh, this guy knows what his gameplan is and he knows how to execute it effectively."

There is a real virtue in that, you know.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (hIWe1)

175 Mitt Romney.

Elmer G. Parry , for one thing, plays the God card too much....

remember this from that old RINO, Barry Goldwater:


"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than
Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme
being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's
behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with
wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following
their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups
on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a
loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the
political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if
I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.'
Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to
claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even
more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my
vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today:
I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their
moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' " -- Barry Goldwater

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (koiSX)

176 High IQ does not equal common sense.

I worked for physicists. Most of them couldn't tie their shoes.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (iYbLN)

177 steevy, see my 161. Which will probably be a post in the next few days but it's relevant.

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (nj1bB)

178 If you were a dog, would you rather be cared for by Mitt 'strap that bitch to the freezing roof and I'll check on her in 800 Griswald miles' Romney or Rick 'I will kill anything that tries to attack you' Perry?

Are there better ways to be pick a President? Surely. But this is probably better than MSNBC Debates.

It's time to clean out the GOP just for setting up such a stupid way to pick a candidate. It's like they want a RINO to win.


Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (rQ/Ue)

179 I didn't know about him marrying his sweetheart, but
I thought there's a ton of rumors about alleged, um dalliances with
nubiles. Maybe that's just some underhanded rumor mongering.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (QxSug)
Not possible, I've never been to Texas.

Posted by: Will Folks at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (hXJOG)

180 95 Perry's endorsements so far, that I know of:

Senator Jim Inhofe.....Gov. Bobby Jindhal.....Gov. Brian Sandoval.


Veterans for Perry....which includes two MOH recipients and several Generals, and other officers.


Ted Nugent....Gene Simons.


Does anyone know of any other endorsements?







Rep. John Carter (TX); Rep. Mike Coffman (CO); Rep. Mike Conaway
(TX); Rep. John Culberson (TX); Rep. Sam Graves (MO); Rep. Jeb
Hensarling (TX); Rep. Sam Johnson (TX); Rep. Kenny Marchant (TX); Rep.
Michael McCaul (TX); Rep. Candice Miller (MI); Rep. Mick Mulvaney (SC);
Rep. Steve Scalise (LA); and Rep. Pete Sessions (TX)

2012 Endorsement Watch

Posted by: M80B at December 19, 2011 06:05 PM (d6QMz)

181 I didn't know about him marrying his sweetheart, but I thought there's a
ton of rumors about alleged, um dalliances with nubiles. Maybe that's
just some underhanded rumor mongering.

That's old hat. They were spreading those rumors (at the same time as rumors that he's gay) during his first run for Governor (if not before). It's always rumors- kind of like Barry's girlfriends: no evidence, and not even enough to justify any rumors.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:05 PM (KxyHe)

182 What really matters is not imposing Federal one-size-fits-all solutions.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 05:59 PM (hIWe1)
Too bad Romney wants to keep some of that one-size fits all solution. But don't worry just the "good" parts. Like the "good" parts in MassCare.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 06:05 PM (GULKT)

183 @170 Yeah, "debating is not my bag" is not considered a plus in most circles.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 19, 2011 06:06 PM (9eDbm)

184 Just a further thought from those who maintain that Perry hasn't made any big mistakes in a few months: my observation is that while he didn't completely screw the pooch as he did on multiple previous occasions, he didn't do or say anything of note. He just didn't fall flat on his ass. That isn't good enough. If he had started at that level and improved, he would be the frontrunner today. He didn't.

Saying that he wasn't as much of a disaster as he was before won't cut it. The comment about needing Valium during his debates is spot on. The press will eat him alive. I wish it wasn't so, but wishing won't make it better.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 06:06 PM (6TB1Z)

185 What? Chaz Bonos lady parts are available again?

Posted by: Emily Litella at December 19, 2011 06:06 PM (jucos)

186 171.
He really has to get a strong 3rd (15+%) to offset a likely microscopic showing in NH.
Get a good 3rd and head to SC- it's a tall order but not impossible.

Posted by: jjshaka at December 19, 2011 06:07 PM (/iRhk)

187 177 I agree with you to an extent.Perry needs to get into the top 3.The flaws of Newt and Mitt are manifest and when people take a second (or third) look at Perry they may come around.It wasn't too long ago when Newt was a joke.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:07 PM (7WJOC)

188 I worked for physicists. Most of them couldn't tie their shoes.

Why would we?

Posted by: Physicists with velcro strips at December 19, 2011 06:07 PM (JYheX)

189 **no evidence, and not even enough to justify any rumors.**

Um, hi, have we met?

XXOO

The MSM, peddling Johnny Mackerel unfounded rumors circa October 2008.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 06:07 PM (QxSug)

190 Gosh, it's almost as if he has a predetermined strategy based on analysis of the situation and the discipline to follow it through.
Well sure he has a strategy and discipline. And look at those cold grey eyes. Guy's a friggin' robot from the planet Nauvoo is why.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 19, 2011 06:07 PM (puy4B)

191 Dustin

+100

If you can't treat a dog with common decency then I don't trust you.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (iYbLN)

192 Sigh... if I get any more pessimistic and cynical about this election cycle than I already am, I'll be in danger of creating the world's first Black Hole of Negativity.

So dense will the pessimism be that no ray of light or hope can escape.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (SY2Kh)

193 Ace is gonna pound Perry like it's prom night.

Posted by: lorien1973 at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (usXZy)

194 Um, actually in practice it seems to be working devilishly well. Every time another "not Romney" arises from the pack to seemingly overtake Romney he holds steady and waits calmly for the wave to crash over him without panicking. And now his overall support levels are climbing, and he's left with the unacceptable Ron Paul, of all people, as The Other Guy in IA, a state he had all but given up on winning in the first place. The race is still fluid, obviously, so no counting of chickens etc. etc. But regardless of whether you like Romney or not, it's impossible to look at his strategy and not think "huh, this guy knows what his gameplan is and he knows how to execute it effectively."There is a real virtue in that, you know.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 06:03 PM (hIWe1)
Except... we've already begun to cycle through the not-Romneys a second time around, which is how we got back to Newt. If Romney's strategy was working, then every time the crashing wave receded, he'd have just a bit more support than he did when that wave hit. Instead, he's REALLY holding steady, and the nomination race is swirling around him without him seeming to have much effect on it.
A constant 28 may be good number for a walk-in freezer, but it's hardly a winner in a primary contest.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (Di3Im)

195 "Both of these men are smart. And they're smarter than Perry."

That is only an appearence. That is not the substance.

Posted by: GMB curmudgeon-in-training and 8 time ONT killer at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (wY55N)

196 Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:04 PM (rQ/Ue)
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Aaaaand that's all she wrote. Argument over.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:08 PM (zLeKL)

197 FL primary is next month and I plan to pull the lever for Perry.

Posted by: Willy at December 19, 2011 06:09 PM (PlLjX)

198 Barry Goldwater

That would be the Barry Goldwater who didn't win the Presidency, right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:09 PM (KxyHe)

199 pep @130, of course the MSM would not reveal the multitude of SCOaMF gaffes. We/the campaign will have to do it.

What I'm envisioning (mentioned in another thread) is Rick Perry's oops moment (everyone knows about it already so there's no point hiding it) juxtaposed with Obama's inhalator/breathalyzer moment (which was a stuttering clusterfark of a statement, if you listen to the whole thing). And then juxtapose their economic records (which is what really matters to everyone).

So it would be established that while Rick Perry is no Einstein, Obama isn't either, but one of them has governed over a prosperous region and the other hasn't.

There could be a series of commercials like this, each highlighting a different set of gaffes and a different aspect of their records.

People will see these commercials and I think the Obama gaffes would have a huge impact on the uninformed.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 19, 2011 06:09 PM (21lBC)

200 Sigh... if I get any more pessimistic and cynical about this election cycle than I already am, I'll be in danger of creating the world's first Black Hole of Negativity.
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RAAAAAAAAAACISTTTTTTTTT

Posted by: Emily Litella at December 19, 2011 06:09 PM (jucos)

201 "Um, actually in practice it seems to be working devilishly well. Every
time another "not Romney" arises from the pack to seemingly overtake
Romney he holds steady and waits calmly for the wave to crash over him
without panicking. "

Romney can't expand his support at all. I don't think it's working. Romney loses most of his elections because people just plain don't think he's authentic. This has been a problem for him for ages, yet Romney's record has been to prove he's fake with flip flops.

I don't think Romney is holding steady. I think he's dead in the water. But this is just a perspective thing.

I think with all of Romney's advantages, he should have been able to make the case for more people to support him. This simply hasn't happened.

You can't really credit Romney with the failures of other candidates. Perry screwing up horribly in early debates wasn't part of Mitt's plan. Newt having baggage wasn't part of Mitt's plan. If you're giving Mitt credit for this, that's just because you see the world a little tilted in Mitt's favor (we all do it, so no harm no foul, but it's silly).

Mitt personally doesn't seem to do anything at all. This is what you mean by 'not panicking', but really, he just emulates whoever is nearest to him in the polls and sends attacks out through his campaign. His ads have often been pretty damn ugly, in my opinion.

We'll see how clever Romney is if he's able to increase that win column from a 1 to a 2. He's running against guys who almost always win their elections (one of them has never actually lost), and they are working very hard.

It's going to be very tough for Romney to win. I think he probably had hoped these endorsements would start to win some support, and it just hasn't happened.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:09 PM (rQ/Ue)

202 Rick Perry comes across as a 'real guy'......someone that you'd like to have for a neighbor.
If you had a pipe break, and needed to call on a neighbor for immediate help, which one would you rather have?
Perry would prolly grab his tools, grab his shop-vac, and head right over to help....while calling some friends with shop-vacs, to meet him there....and locate and turn off the water coming into your house.
Romney would probably say "I'll call someone to come over there".
Gingrich would probably say "Have you called a plumber?"

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (HvKWW)

203 What? Chaz Bonos lady parts are available again?
Posted by: Emily Litella at December 19, 2011 06:06 PM (jucos)
Sure, the whole jar of 'em is up on eBay.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (Di3Im)

204 Miss 80s,

Jerry Lewis endorsed Mitt Romney? Who knew he was a Republican?

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (iYbLN)

205 >>>Saying that he wasn't as much of a disaster as he was before won't cut
it. The comment about needing Valium during his debates is spot on.

I really do think there's a Bush Fatigue factor at play with Perry too. Not just the whole "Texas governor" thing, but rather that feeling of queasiness that you and I and everyone here feels during the debates. I remember feeling the *exact* same way whenever Bush debated or even gave a press conference: "please don't blow it, please don't blow it, please don't blow it...."

I think, on a subliminal level, a lot of primary voters really really want to get behind a guy who comes across as smooth and prepared on that level.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (hIWe1)

206
Rick Perry's campaign reminds me of when Indiana Jones was locked in that carbonite and hung on the wall of Megan McCain.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (JYheX)

207 And for ranger's next trick he will provide a link that proves Mitt Romney really is the most conservative candidate.
Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 05:51 PM (GULKT)


It's a hoax!

*back to lurking*

Posted by: ranger117 at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (87cmJ)

208 I am really, really not happy with Perry, partly for the reasons that everybody knows;
partly because Bush *proved* that being the Governor of Texas doesn't actually require much competence;
partly from Bush fatigue;
and partly from my own experience with the Perry machine in Texas, which makes me believe the crony capitalism charges are 100% true and probably understate the truth of it.
However, you know, we need a real executive. That rules out pretty much everyone except Romney and Perry.
And I have serious issues with Romney.
So, you know, good article. One thing you neglect is an actual evaluation of Perry's 3 or 4 big points. Of those, his tax plan is pretty stupid, in my opinion. Just a silly, meaningless compromise with the flat tax cranks. But his energy plan is golden.
So if I voted right now, I would probably gag down my upchuck and pull for Perry.
Ugh, what an election.
Surely we can do better than this.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (epBek)

209 Who'd you rather have a drink with? Exactly.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (zLeKL)

210 Yeah high IQ is pretty overrated, smart people can be awfully dumb. We need someone wise, not someone smart. Usually people who come across as smart are pretty unwise and have poor discernment. Newt is plainly intelligent at a high level, but he's a fool far too often.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2011 06:11 PM (r4wIV)

211 Ron Paul!? The lying sack that calls himself a "Republican" and doesn't believe America faces any threats from abroad, and whose base is druggies and racists and baby-killers...I don't think so -- "Homey don't play dat"

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at December 19, 2011 06:11 PM (LgjGs)

212 Correction: He's won state-wide office in Texas six times.

Posted by: Phil in Houston at December 19, 2011 06:11 PM (Sb4ot)

213 That was really good Ace.
Good enough that I actually felt better after reading it.

......unlike certain seemingly endless movie reviews that appear in this space now and then

Posted by: ontherocks at December 19, 2011 06:11 PM (HBqDo)

214 The MSM, peddling Johnny Mackerel unfounded rumors circa October 2008.

Yeah, the thing is: this has 10 years or so of history to it. Sure they'll play the "rumors he's never successfully shaken off" tactic, but, on the other hand, Perry has 10 years or more where he can say: No one has proven it yet, and did I mention Karl Rove and Bill Clinton backed candidates both tried?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:11 PM (KxyHe)

215
Last time out in Texas he took 55% of the vote. Of course the other statewide Republican office seekers took over 60% of the vote. Couple that with him just crossing the majority in the primaries, I would guess that in a national contest Rick Perry would be very weak at best.
You could put a large rock on the ballot in Texas with an 'R' by it's name and it would get over 50% of the statewide vote, and do as much for the state as Perry could.
Hence the endorsement should be: Rick Perry managed to do worse statewide than his fellow republican office seekers, thereby showing that nationwide he might not be considered as extremist as other former Texan governors when it comes to the general election.
For those of you who hype up his having won three statewide elections in Texas, the numbers don't look good, it is like saying the Yankees have a dozen winning seasons in a row.....of course they do, they spend more than anyone else, but where are their rings?

Posted by: doug at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (gUGI6)

216 If this is the last 15-minute candidate to rally around, I'll do it.

Why'd he have to put out those uber-pander ads though?

Posted by: GergS at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (dptRY)

217 Rick Perry comes across as a 'real guy'......someone that you'd like to have for a neighbor.
Yes. And the media is not immune to this. Or at least they know we aren't.
Maybe it's too much to hope that Perry would catch a break from them on that basis, but I'm convinced that Dubya did.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (puy4B)

218 Start producing energy here in America,
Good, too few free-market producers is the problem.rather than purchasing it from countries which are often hostile.
If they're hostile cause problems we blow them and their shoddy Russian equipment up, problem solved. Otherwise I don't care about their feeling.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (RDri2)

219 Did Gov. Perry actually get the number of SC justices wrong? I thought he was refering to how many voted for something.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (XdlcF)

220 IQ is way overrated. Some very high IQ people are not smart enough to come in from the rain or tie their own shoes. I'll take street smarts and common sense any day of the week.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (jucos)

221 209 Who'd you rather have a drink with? Exactly.
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:10 PM (zLeKL)


Perry! I would get him good and drunk and take advantage of him.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:13 PM (qjUnn)

222 @19: "The nation ought to have had it's fill of "geniuses" by now. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama. What all these "geniuses" had in common was they made a horrible mess of things, the consequences of which we are still dealing with today. In actual effect they were idiots. "
And let's not forget the brilliant cabinet-level folks who came up with that award-winning Vietnam strategy.

Posted by: 58,000 dead guys at December 19, 2011 06:14 PM (jAqTK)

223 Did Gov. Perry actually get the number of SC justices wrong? I thought he was refering to how many voted for something.
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Apparently he was talking about the justices for a State or something....

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:14 PM (zLeKL)

224 It's time to clean out the GOP just for setting up such a stupid way to pick a candidate.

Yeah, really. This isn't the general election, it's the primary, so why were the debates moderated by liberals? Why not have somebody asking questions that matter most to Republican voters?

Posted by: sandy burger at December 19, 2011 06:14 PM (L07Yb)

225 One of the top negatives I hear about Perry is the "he's too much like Bush" line.Conservative spit blood defending Bush for 8 years and there is a feeling of "not again".Perry's "I am Tebow" line was very unpopular too.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:15 PM (7WJOC)

226 Ya know, once Perry becomes our nominee I promise I won't say I told you so.


Much.



Probably.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:15 PM (zLeKL)

227 Steve Forbes was still supporting Perry a couple of weeks ago.

He could be an interesting VP pick.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 06:15 PM (5H6zj)

228 Some very high IQ people are not smart enough to come in from the rain or tie their own shoes.

Why would we?

Posted by: High IQ people with raincoats and velcro on their shoes at December 19, 2011 06:15 PM (JYheX)

229 So as to you, I would say: If you don't find Perry to be a joke, you can have some confidence that, based on your own position as Guy Who Thinks Things Before The People He Knows Does, your family and friends are likely, if not guaranteed, to share you opinion. Just three or four weeks after you.
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 06:00 PM (nj1bB)
The pitfall in this argument is that Perry already had a turn at the top. So it isn't a matter anymore of people coming to see that he's a great candidate: now he has to change the perception that he's a lousy candidate. Very, very different challenge.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (Di3Im)

230 One of the top negatives I hear about Perry is the "he's too much like Bush" line.Conservative spit blood defending Bush for 8 years and there is a feeling of "not again".Perry's "I am Tebow" line was very unpopular too.
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Or will they get tired of Obama pinning stuff on Bush aka "blaming Bush for the entire time you've been in office."

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (zLeKL)

231 I'll tell you what we will do against Perry.

Run "Social Security is a ponzi scheme/unconstitutional" ads from Sep 1 to November.

How quickly you forget.

Posted by: Clarence at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (z0HdK)

232 @33: "Even though Texas has created some nice job growth....Perry needs to articulate exactly how it is done on a nationwide basis"
There are only so many businesses and individuals that can flee California, you know.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (jAqTK)

233 That's how we got here, after all.

Oh it took a lot of clowns with a lot of bad ideas over a long time and a lot of seemed like a good idea at the time and some !@#$% Democrats turned it into a patronage machine not just one (1) SCOAMF with > 0 JEF ideas.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (RDri2)

234 >>>and partly from my own experience with the Perry machine in Texas, which
makes me believe the crony capitalism charges are 100% true and
probably understate the truth of it.

Given that this is a really substantive criticism, and that you're a trusted Moron speaking from direct first-person experience, you really ought to expand upon this if you can. I mean, that sort of goes directly to the character argument Ace was talking about.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (hIWe1)

235 Perry would prolly grab his tools, grab his shop-vac, and head right over to help....while calling some friends with shop-vacs, to meet him there....and locate and turn off the water coming into your house.
Romney would probably say "I'll call someone to come over there".
Gingrich would probably say "Have you called a plumber?"
"What's interesting is that the first indoor plumbing in history occured in..."

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (XdlcF)

236 I have never donated the amount of money to a campaign like I have to Rick Perry. I would work the phones, walk the precincts for his election. The others...not so much. I'd vote for them (with the exception of Ron Paul) but go all out? No. I can't fake the enthusiasm for a candidate.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:17 PM (iYbLN)

237 People will see these commercials and I think the Obama gaffes would have a huge impact on the uninformed.

I get your point, but I'd counter that the low info voters who we're fighting over probably discount most campaign ads, assuming that they're just commercials and therefore full of lies. However, there are lots of folks, especially older ones, who still believe what they hear from the nightly news. It's hard to counter a half hour of disguised mendacity with 30 seconds of bought and paid for shilling.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 06:17 PM (6TB1Z)

238 Very thought full, Ace. Persuasive even.

Posted by: mare at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (A98Xu)

239 There really is no excusing Perry's early debates. He's gotten a lot better, so it's not like he's completely retarded, but he's totally capable of a future gaffe.

But there is no excusing Romneycare either.

None of these guys are perfect.

I'll take the guy who will probably do fine in the debate, and govern like a conservative, over the guy who will probably do fine in the debate, and govern like a liberal.

But none of these guy are peaches. At least Perry has improved a lot. And it's not like he was doing nothing when these debates started. Texas was suffering one of her worst disasters on record when Perry had his first debate appearance, and it was an actual situation requiring Perry's leadership and approval for various agencies.

The guy works for a living. Honestly, I still think his debate gaffes are actually Perry exposing issues where he's wrong. For example, he really does think one should govern on illegals with compassionate conservatism. Perry admits his comment was stupid, but if Perry could go back in time, I think he'd govern the same as he did.

Still, he's by far got the best record, at least for my political views. I gotta pick one of these guys.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (rQ/Ue)

240 Some quick questions:

1) if Rick is not nominated, will you vote for the nominee come election day

2) if Rick is not nominated, will you work for getting teh One out of office, no matter what?

3) if Rick is not nominated, will you quit your whining?

I won't argue with perry-bots anymore. The guy can't win, and he won't win. And we are stupid enough to nominate him, yeah, I'll vote for him, but O will massacre him.

He's painted himself as incapable of articulating an opinion in a relatively low stress environment. He's shown he can't really put thoughts together, and communicate this to people.

His spin doctors, Ace and others among them, are *far* more articulate than Perry, and do a far better job of selling Perry than Perry.

And if you can't see why that is fatal for this candidate, well, I can't help you.

Perry scares the crap out of lots of people now. For better or worse, his laudible displays of faith, and his efforts to make sure the decalog, among other things, are not forgotten in education, have a profoundly negative connotation to the people we need to attract.

But I give up. Ace and many folks here are in the tank for Perry. All I ask, is that come the day after Perry bows out, that you work your asses off, as hard, if not harder, for whomever the nominee is.

Because if you don't, you've helped teh One, and that to me is unforgivable. As is nominating someone whom cannot win, but right now, there is no sign that Perry will win the nod, never mind the election.

The reality is that Perry is trailing very badly in most states. He is barely out of single digits in some, deeply in them in others. He is back in the tier 2 and 3 group. Not a serious contender.

Like him all you want. Hell, I like Palin, and not because she's a MILF. She is a bright, articulate, intelligent woman who was torn to bits by a media and a fundamentally hostile crowd of assholes in her own party. Perry's gaffes have massively overshadowed her's, yet Ace and others still have a deep seated loathing in their mind whenever she comes up in these posts.

Yeah. Shit happens. Palin ain't in it, and Perry is. Perry does not actually appear as bright as Palin IMO. He doesn't have any writings that detail a deeply thoughtful person with a tremendous intellect behind a somewhat gaffe prone mouth. Palin does. Yet Ace and others support Perry.

Fine. Support him.

So when he loses the nod, are you gonna take all your marbles and go home, or are you going to remember that the mission is to get teh One the hell out of office and onto the links, so that we can start recovering?

FWIW, everyone slamming on Romney ... I don't like the guy and he's a RINO. No doubt. Here in Michigan, Rick Snyder is also a RINO. And he is an exceedingly effective governor. Very similar background to Mitt. Very similar.

So before you decry the likely nominee as being unable to beat teh One, O came to campaign for his opponent, and the democrats still haven't been able to effectively triangulate and beat up Rick.

Rick's a good guy. Don't agree with everything he does, but he is a good guy. The more conservative candidate from Grand Rapids, Hoekstra, never had a chance in the general. Rick Snyder walked away with the nomination. And we are better for it.

So, Rick Perry is very unlikely to win the nod. If he does, I will support him and vote for him, knowing full well that he will lose the general. If Rick Perry is tossed from the process, will you do the same?

I hope the answer is yes.

Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (80GjT)

241 217
Rick Perry comes across as a 'real guy'......someone that you'd like to have for a neighbor.
Yes. And the media is not immune to this. Or at least they know we aren't.
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I remember that interview of Perry, by Juliette Huddy on Fox......she was practically hyperventilating and drooling.
Perry, being the hottest guy in the race, would get a lot of votes from women who don't really pay any attention to politics......but vote for the guy that they "like" more. .....I'm talking about the general, though.

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (HvKWW)

242 I agree with you on most everything you wrote, Ace, except for one thing. The MFM no longer completely contols the media narrative. It's one of the reasons we had such a banner election in 2010. Perhaps it's one of the reasons many of us are looking upon this primary season as a hodgepodge of political babble.
Perry needs to articulate his four point platform every time he enters any boundry of any of the media's outlets, whether it's the MFM or new media. Repitition gets votes. Remember: "It's the economy, stupid". That little bit of the English language got Clinton elected. It doesn't have to be complicated, as you've written.
Perry's personnal past will take care of itself. He'll have nothing to be ashamed, hopefully.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (AB6pF)

243 One has to ask oneself.....What actually was accomplished by the Dog and Pony show debates?
Why the Left got to moderate all of them...I will never understand. Oh Iknow why? BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE VOTING IN OUR PRIMARIES LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO!

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (JMsOK)

244 Run "Social Security is a ponzi scheme/unconstitutional" ads from Sep 1 to November.


Wow, please do, that will guarantee the conservative vote. And it will force the discussion and people will figure out what he's talking about is fact.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (r4wIV)

245 "What's interesting is that the first indoor plumbing in history occured in..."
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (XdlcF)
LOL!

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (zSUIh)

246
Let's see, how did he create jobs in Texas and translate it nationwide...
1) The population growth has to be greater than anywhere else, so bring in the immigrants.
2) You will need supersize hurricanes in other countries so that those people will emigrate to Texas along with their bank accounts.
3) Tornadoes and the like need to wreck havoc across the U.S. so the government can put billions into rebuilding cities everywhere.
4) The price of oil needs to skyrocket along with every other natural resource other states have so that the procurement of those become marginaly profitable.
5) lower wages across the u.s. so there will be more jobs offered.

Pretty much how it happened.

Posted by: doug at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (gUGI6)

247 231
I see Clarance has made an appearance early. I suspect he finished his jello early and the meds haven't kicked in yet.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (iYbLN)

248 In short [insert MSM talking head name], my policy will be to reverse the last 4 years, where under Barack Obama, real unemployment has grown to 16%, inflation on food stuffs, including arugula Barry, is through the roof, and our deficit has sextuplet - that's times six for you Barry.
Pareech it, bretheren and sisteren!
The ammo is already there, courtesy of El SCOAMF. Now, the trick is to turn this around: Rush pointed out the other day that there was a steady drip of shitty stats coming from the administration itself, with the point being that The Annointed One was to be painted asthe one that could turn this all around instead of the truth that it is he who's actually causing them.
There's a psychological aspect to this (come on, y'all knewthis was coming from me). There will be projection from the left. We all know the drill: accuse the other side, commonly seen as the enemy, of doing exactly what you're doing.
Exhibit #1. Accusing teh Pubbies of blocking "needed bills" to "create jobs." This is countered very easily with the fact that El SCOAMF has done all in his power to prevent the Keystone Pipeline from getting started. Begin with that little factoid and then cite the exponential amount of regulations spewing forth from the EPA, which is no longer under Congressional power and is now operated as a stand-alone agency with the ability to destroy literally millions of jobs, as it has alread done. IIRC, there's been a near-doubling of the number of regulations coming from them just this year.
This ain't rocket surgery. All that's needed is somebody, or a group of somebodies on Perry's team to sit down at a table with a computer and start collecting the stats. It's easy, everybody's heard them all for three years, so it's not unfamiliar knowledge.
Just start using it to our advantage.
The SOAMF has to go.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (d0Tfm)

249 Did Gov. Perry actually get the number of SC justices wrong? I thought he was refering to how many voted for something. --- Apparently he was talking about the justices for a State or something....
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:14 PM (zLeKL)
He referred to the "eight unelected judges" on the US Supreme Court. His spin afterward was that he meant the eightjustices who ruled 8-1 againstpublic school prayer in 1963. Some people also pointed out that we call them "justices," not "judges," when they're on the USSC -- but I think that's a silly quibble.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (Di3Im)

250
I hope the answer is yes.
Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2011 06:18 PM (80GjT)

Where the hell did Ace/me/anyone else say they won't vote for a non-RonPaul nominee?

Strawmen.

Posted by: GergS at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (dptRY)

251 He is a good slow thinker but a HORRIBLE fast thinker. Slow thinkers can govern well, maybe even better that fast thinkers, but slow thinkers do not debate well.I would need to take a valium
(or two) before watching Perry attempt to debate Obama. You just know
that ther liberal moderators would be out to trip Perry up with "List
the 5 major leaders in the Middle East today..." type questions.

Maybe he should take a modest quantity of Dexedrine before the debate. I've thought this before.

Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (YiE0S)

252 Perry's "I am Tebow" line was very unpopular too.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:15 PM (7WJOC)
---He didn't say that. He said he wanted to be like Tim Tebow. (BTW, that right-leaning (ha) organization Yahoo News called it the best line of the debate.)One thing that always reassures me about my support for Perry is the consistent drumbeat of lies that his opponents rely on. And the non-scandal "scandals." They got nuthin'.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (5H6zj)

253 At this point, I believe a used paper towel could beat Obama handily.

GO RICK GO !

Posted by: Perry Is A Straight Shooter at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (EL+OC)

254 Look at the big brain on Clarence!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2011 06:21 PM (jucos)

255 Ace? If you're still reading this, it might be a good idea to give the co-bloggers a change to make the case for their candidate. What we need is a treatise like what you wrote.''

I have been waiting literally months for someone to make the case for another candidate and all I get is opinion without evidence. Screw that. I'm a rational guy. Explain why Rombley or Newt is better than Perry.

Every single criticism of Perry can be answered. Every single one. The other guys? Not so much.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:21 PM (zLeKL)

256 1) if Rick is not nominated, will you vote for the nominee come election day

If it's not Luap Nor.




2) if Rick is not nominated, will you work for getting teh One out of office, no matter what?

No. Probably not. Anyone else will just "manage the decline" and that's not good enough.




3) if Rick is not nominated, will you quit your whining?
I don't think any of us are whining. I do believe your decision that he's "unelectable" has made you unable to see that he would be a flat better President than anyone else in the field, and that Republicans have had an up-hill climb getting elected as President since (bare minimum) the 1960's. Probably going all the way back to the 40's.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:21 PM (KxyHe)

257 Something I heard a LOT about from my cousin in San Antonio - appointments. Apparently has done a very good job of them in Texas. And for the mushy middle, a lot of women and minorities who are for real conservatives not just different color beans to be counted.

I know that the press will still try to dress him up in Klan robes but facts are indeed stubborn things. At least there is some infrastructure upon which to build a narrative.

Perry is my guy so I agree with most of this post - but if I wanted to add some moron snark I would say what's with ace going anti-intellectual?

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:22 PM (Fw2Gg)

258 I'm beginning to think that Texas has done well in spite of Rick Perry. Maybe he can't elucidate what has worked in Texas because he had so little to do with it.

Contrast how Sarah Palin talks about her record in Alaska with Rick Perry's complete inability to talk about his record in Texas. It's quite telling.

Posted by: Sammy G. at December 19, 2011 06:22 PM (pkQdU)

259 240

Won't you look stupid if the nominee is Romney and he loses.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:22 PM (iYbLN)

260 Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (Di3Im)
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Did he say"on the Supreme Court"? No.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:22 PM (zLeKL)

261 Perry's ineptitude and poor fitness for the Presidency is so apparent that I am shocked at your insistence on sticking by him. Really? Get a clue.

Posted by: brownsuns at December 19, 2011 06:23 PM (/Rupy)

262 Contrast how Sarah Palin talks about her record in Alaska with Rick Perry's complete inability to talk about his record in Texas. It's quite telling.
Well, its pretty easy to sum up 2 years vs. 11....so that may have something to do with it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 19, 2011 06:23 PM (OWjjx)

263 "and partly from my own experience with the Perry machine in Texas,
which makes me believe the crony capitalism charges are 100% true and
probably understate the truth of it."
It sounds like you've got something substantial to say, and I'd like to hear it even though I prefer Perry.
I think it would be best if he were vetted NOW rather than later.
I've heard a few people complain about Perry's corruption and then not really have things I have a problem with (one notes Perry took several free plane rides to give speeches for political groups... I didn't mind that).
I know there are some bozos in Texas's government, but I don't know that Perry is running a corrupt machine. I think after so long in office, that would manifest in a lot of serious ways, instead of in a few isolated 'oh they probably screwed up with a bad apple' ways.
Was your experience with a bad apple, or with Perry's machine? That's what I really need to know.
The last thing I want is to learn about this after he's the nominee.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:23 PM (rQ/Ue)

264 Perry has the enormous task of repairing his image nationally. He was performing neck-and-neck with Romney vs Obama when he announced, and he has become radioactive in polling since. If he can turn around the image projected that has hurt his polling he could be very formidable.

This is the gamble. He could turn around his numbers and flip enough states to cross the 270 threshhold- Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio- but it will take a herculean effort to do so. First step is taking out the other not-Romneys. Bachmann has made it clear she is in the tank for Mitt, so he gets hurt there. Pauleans are utter tards. So that leaves the Gingrich supporters. Win them over and its Perry-Romney and a path using moreconservative primary voters to the nomination.

Posted by: CAC at December 19, 2011 06:24 PM (Ezhjz)

265 Here's a first order thing about Perry:

HE AIN'T THE FUCKIN' SCOAMF.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at December 19, 2011 06:24 PM (6IReR)

266
Perry would prolly grab his tools, grab his
shop-vac, and head right over to help....while calling some friends with
shop-vacs, to meet him there....and locate and turn off the water
coming into your house.

Romney would probably say "I'll call someone to come over there".

Gingrich would probably say "Have you called a plumber?"

"What's interesting is that the first indoor plumbing in history occured in..."

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:16 PM (XdlcF)
Gingrich would say, "I have a cunning plan to replace all indoor plumbing with teleportation technology"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 19, 2011 06:24 PM (GaIwz)

267 So Ace... is this your final sales pitch for Perry for the year?

Not that I disagree with your points; it's just that this post is about the same size of all your posts of last week... combined.

Perry's biggest weakness... his abysmal video presence at the start of his campaign. The LSM will play those clips until the tapes spontaneously combust... Dubya will look like a Rhodes Scholar after they're done with Perry.

And he's only now (?) hitting his stride in the debates... with an uneven performance at that. AND... Dear Leader will eat his lunch if he 'brain freezes' on the national stage.

Newt, on the other hand, will pull Obama's tongue out through his asshole when it comes to a debate.

Jump over that fence, if you can, Ace.

[And I like Perry... he's my #2 choice.]

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 19, 2011 06:25 PM (1GunI)

268 One thing that always reassures me about my support for Perry is the consistent drumbeat of lies that his opponents rely on. And the non-scandal "scandals." They got nuthin'.



Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (5H6zj)

Y-not, I totally agree.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:25 PM (qjUnn)

269 252 Whatever the line was I've heard 7 or 8 people say it was stupid for one reason or another.I didn't think it was bad at all.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:25 PM (7WJOC)

270 Contrast how Sarah Palin relentlessly promotes herself, her faimly and any other thing that brings a dollar to Sarah Palintalks about her record in Alaska with Rick Perry's complete inability to talk about his record in Texas. It's quite telling.
FIFY

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 19, 2011 06:25 PM (OWjjx)

271 3) if Rick is not nominated, will you quit your whining?

Well personally, I plan to continue whining regardless of who's nominated.

Posted by: sandy burger at December 19, 2011 06:25 PM (L07Yb)

272 Joffen, better just be quiet about the Supreme Court Justice snaffu. It doesn't matter how you explain away the 8 justices, he also didn't know the name of one of the justices. He wants to be president and he doesn't know the names of them? Worse, he goes on and tries to make us believe that it's natural that he shouldn't know the names.

Posted by: doug at December 19, 2011 06:26 PM (gUGI6)

273 Perry's Obama's ineptitude and poor fitness for the
Presidency is so apparent that I am shocked at your insistence on
sticking by him. Really? Get a clue.


Posted by: brownsuns


FIFY

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:26 PM (iYbLN)

274 Something in my gut is telling me that it doesn't matter who thecandidate is going to be against Obammer, the Right will end up cutting their own throats and a whole bunch of people are going to be pissed that their guy didn't get it, and leave Obama in place.
I sure hope that doesn't happend!

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 06:26 PM (JMsOK)

275 I see Clarance has made an appearance early. I suspect he finished his jello early and the meds haven't kicked in yet.
Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (iYbLN)

Same goes for his bunkmate doug @ 246.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 06:26 PM (AB6pF)

276 OMG.. Jon Bon Jovi has died. 49 years old.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (qjUnn)

277 Posted by: CAC at December 19, 2011 06:24 PM (Ezhjz)
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Getting tired of this. Is this the best criticism you can manage?

Honest question: is there anything Perry could have done to recover from his stumbles? If so, is he doing it? Is he recovering enough (or at all) for you to let it go? If not, what do you think he could have done?

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (zLeKL)

278 forgot to add--
unifying the party early enough around him and finishing the primary race earlier gives him a better shot at repairing his image. A late primary win- close to the convention, will be disasterous as it gives him barely 90 days to re-introduce and re-invent his image.His only shot at a general election victory is a quick primary and early party unity behind him.

Posted by: CAC at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (Ezhjz)

279 Did someone say "lunch?"

Posted by: Gov. Chris Christie at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (zSUIh)

280 261
Perry's ineptitude and poor fitness for the Presidency is so apparent
that I am shocked at your insistence on sticking by him. Really? Get a
clue.


Posted by: brownsuns at December 19, 2011 06:23 PM (/Rupy)

Have you seen who's in the White House now?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (6IReR)

281 It would be very helpful to Rick Perry to go on the Sunday morning talk shows and prove that he can stand up to hostile questioning. I don't mean Fox News Sunday, which tends to go easy on conservatives, but rather Meet the Press and Face the Nation. Although their viewership is in decline, what is said on those shows drives news coverage on the nightly news, in newspapers and on the Internet.
I think Rick Perry's unwillingness to step up to that challenge has hurt his preparedness for the debates. He's got to do something to prove that the image he's allowed to form of a tongue-tied, slow-witted good ol' Texas boy isn't accurate.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (Di3Im)

282 OMG.. Jon Bon Jovi has died. 49 years old.
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HOAX

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (zLeKL)

283 "Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich did not serve in the military either. I
do not wish to attack either man but both were of draftable age during
Vietnam."
Well, I do wish to attack both draft dodgers.



"Both of these men are smart. And they're smarter than Perry."

No. They are not smarter than Perry. They just know how to talk and act like the media stereotype of a smart person. College grades mean absolutely zero. Ask Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. For that matter, ask Rush Limbaugh.
Rick Perry is a truthful, honest man, for whom running for and being president is an actual sacrifice. The tragedy here is that he won't get ten votes.

We elect either one of those two weasels and we will get what we deserve.

Posted by: VADM Collingwood at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (KbGY6)

284 "I'm beginning to think that Texas has done well in spite of Rick Perry.
Maybe he can't elucidate what has worked in Texas because he had so
little to do with it."

He has been in Texas's government for over twenty years. He was ranked one of the top ten state legislators as a fiscal conservative, and from there became the first GOP Ag commish and Lt Gov, touching on many major issues such as Texas's booming exporting and Perry's long fight for tort reform (which he won, and which absolutely had a positive effect on our health care).

He's balanced a lot of budgets, and sometimes that has required a spine, such as when he cut education spending instead of using up the rainy day fund or cutting other agencies or hiking taxes.

We have benefited a lot from his regulation stances, too, and his government just plain runs pretty well.

Even one of Perry's loudest opponents in the Governor's race admits that Perry's fingerprints are all over the Texas economy.

It's hard to see how they couldn't be, as Perry has performed well in nearly every government position that touches Texas policy.

The truth, however, is that Perry's real success has been staying out of the damn way. You don't want a Romney government that gets in the way because it knows better. That never works. Romneycare controls economic choices, and has had some terrible accidental effects, such as a skyrocketing price due to massively increased demand.

So to some extent, there is a beautiful simplicity to conservatism that lends itself to this 'maybe he's just stupid' argument. Well, it works.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:28 PM (rQ/Ue)

285 >>One of the top negatives I hear about Perry is the "he's too much like Bush" line
>Or will they get tired of Obama pinning stuff on Bush aka "blaming Bush for the entire time you've been in office."
Who would vote for Obama over Perry because they are thinking about Bush?

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:28 PM (XdlcF)

286

Posted by: doug at December 19, 2011 06:19 PM (gUGI6)
Except for #5, the rest are all BS. And I think you'll find lowering the minimum wage (or, better, abolishing it) would do amazing things for employment in this country.1) Our UE RATE is slowly rising, too, which means Jobs aren't growing as fast as immigration. Jobs draw immigrants, not the other way around.2) Hurricane Katrina brought far more "poor" to Texas than it did "the rich," and "The Rich" went home as soon as they could. We've still got many of the habitually poor. Katrina was a net drain on Texas's resources.3) Natural disasters happen all the time. To believe they have a net positive impact on an economy is to subscribe to the "Broken Window" theory.4) While Texas has benefited from high oil prices, and high energy prices generally, the energy industry does not account for the majority of our job growth. Between them (IIRC), Health Care (thank you tort reform and loser pays), and Technology have seen more growth than energy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:28 PM (KxyHe)

287 @255

I like Nikki.

Posted by: Will Folks at December 19, 2011 06:29 PM (hXJOG)

288 Bon Jovi twitter hoax

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:29 PM (zLeKL)

289 282 OMG.. Jon Bon Jovi has died. 49 years old.
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HOAX
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (zLeKL)

Oh thank God.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:29 PM (qjUnn)

290 I'll be surprised if Perry hasn't dropped out by Super Tuesday.
Just sayin'...

Posted by: Log Cabin at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (8+NvL)

291 I think it comes down to whether you are for ideas or personality cult. Perry is the best choice out of the current field...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (GaIwz)

292 Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:28 PM (XdlcF)
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Nobody.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (zLeKL)

293 While Ace makes a decent case, the Perry Krishnas in the comments do not. The unfounded assumptions, the wild inflation of a man who is just another politician, the conservative version of the cult of personality . . . are extremely distasteful..
If you love Perry, you make me sick. If Perry is a decent guy, you make him sick too.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (epBek)

294 Ace, to show my appreciation for your blog I recently did all of my Christmas shopping through your Amazon link (so spend the $1.28 coming your way wisely). And now you have repaid me with your outstanding endorsement of Governor Rick Perry. Thank you & keep up the good work! Perry / Rubio 2012!

Posted by: Andy S. at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (nsG8U)

295 Bon Jovi is alive

Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (YiE0S)

296 289 He is a libtard.Lives 5 minutes away from my house.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (7WJOC)

297 Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:23 PM (rQ/Ue)
Why do I get the feeling that the extent of crony capitalism is going toe be Merck and possibly one other questionable case, and just "feelings" that there must be more.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 06:31 PM (GULKT)

298 Well, I'd love to stay and listen to all the concern, but I have dinner to make.


Thanks again, ace, for this post.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 06:31 PM (5H6zj)

299 I don't see anything wrong with CAC's comment. Maybe I'm missing something?

He's right. Perry's got his work cut out of himself. However, he is turning it around. The polls show that. If he manages to, that will be a tremendous credential as a politician, in my opinion. That he's still fighting effectively shows something about how he would fight Obama.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:31 PM (rQ/Ue)

300 Getting tired of this. Is this the best criticism you can manage? Honest question: is there anything Perry could have done to recover from his stumbles? If so, is he doing it? Is he recovering enough (or at all) for you to let it go? If not, what do you think he could have done?
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:27 PM (zLeKL)
I am not saying this is the reason to say "fuck it, *Romney*".
I am just demonstrating the harsh reality of how he is perceived nationally and outside of the party.
I don't think he has "no chance" of repairing himself. Just emphasizing the narrow route to that. It starts with people who have been previously ambiguous about their support stepping up and demanding he get a second look. Stuff like this. I am undecided as a primary voter. Romney is my last choice (well, ahead of Paul and Bachmann). We have a chance to get a conservative into the White House for the first time since before I was even born. So I don't have skin in the game for any one candidate over the other. I do look at the numbers. Perry was the best national performer versus Obama this year behind Romney. The "was" part needs work.

Posted by: CAC at December 19, 2011 06:31 PM (Ezhjz)

301
I think this thread is a prime example of Perry's problem. High info voters here not on the Perry train are not being convinced and its Perry's own damn fault.

I told my wife how excited I was that he might get into the race and then he did and that was that, he flat-lined. Not going back either until he starts proving he should be there (or he is the nominee).

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2011 06:31 PM (JYheX)

302 Perry's ineptitude and poor fitness for the Presidency is so apparent
that I am shocked at your insistence on sticking by him. Really? Get a
clue.
To respond with equal lucidity and analysis: Fuck you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (KxyHe)

303 Anyone but Obamney!
I'd still like to institute a designated debater rule, and make Newt our DD.

Posted by: Iblis at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (9221z)

304 I am so sorry.. I believed the hoax and repeated it here.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (qjUnn)

305 If you love Perry, you make me sick. If Perry is a decent guy, you make him sick too.

Jesus, who pissed in your Cheerios everyday of your pathetic life? I bet you kick puppies and children.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (iYbLN)

306 I've been at the top of my class my entire life (including during my undergraduate and PhD studies in chemical engineering) and am doing very well in a highly specialized technical field.

I will be the first to tell you that school smarts don't mean jack when it comes to governing. There are Einsteins who couldn't manage or even interact their way out of a paper bag. Steven Chu, anyone? And let's not mention Obama because I have yet to be convinced that his IQ Is anything beyond perhaps a little above average.

This is not to say dumb is good, but managing or governing well requires skills other than book smarts.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chique) at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (21lBC)

307 >>Getting tired of this. Is this the best criticism you can manage?


You can pretend Perry doesn't have to change the perceptions he created with his disastrous entrance, but he really does. And I don't think he'll be able to do it by not creating more gaffes. He must show that he can use rhetoric and have command of the details to make people think he can win.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (N/1Dm)

308 Bon Jovi is alive



Unfortunately, so is Random.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (zLeKL)

309 By this set of standards, why not Rick Santorum, then?

Is it his low poll numbers? How much different than Perry's are they?

Posted by: Passably Affable at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (sGRXI)

310 Rick Perry is not a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: reason at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (F26eZ)

311 Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:20 PM (Di3Im) ---- Did he say"on the Supreme Court"? No.
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:22 PM (zLeKL)
Transcript (h/t Hot Air):
Question: As president you have to represent all Americans. By saying this president has declared war on religion, some people of this country who are of diverse faiths might read that as you would declare war on their religion.
PERRY: Well, they would be wrong is how I would say that straight up.
Question: You talk about state rights in terms of defending the constitution. You dont see a role for the federal courts to uniformly interpret the First Amendment to defend religious rights in all 50 states?
PERRY: No, heres what I see happening with the First Amendment. And this goes back to 1962 and that case where you cant have an organized prayer to an almighty God as I believe the way it was. Im not a lawyer and I havent studied these cases in depth. But the idea that the court is telling us whether or not we can have prayer in school is really a bit offensive to me. That should be a decision at the local level. Its one of the reasons Ive called for doing away with the federal government.

Roughly five minutes later
Question : Just to clarify. When you talk about day of prayer or prayer in schools are you talking Christian prayer or non-denominational prayer?
PERRY: What Im saying is its not the governments business to be telling folks that at the state level. Obviously if a school is a Jewish school in Dallas, Texas, that private school should be able to do that.
Question: They can. The issue is public schools.
PERRY: Well then the independent school boards that oversee those should make those decisions, not government. Again, I mean, the idea that we have to be so politically correct that theres one family that says, Listen, I dont want my child, then that child ought to have the freedom can sit over there and play Tic Tac Toe or what have you. But the issue is that for Washington to tell a local school district that you cannot have a prayer and a time of prayer in that school, I think, is offensive to most Americans. I trust the people of the states to make those decisions, I trust those independent school districts to make those decisions better than eight unelected and, frankly, unaccountable judges. And its one of the reasons that Ive called for the end of lifetime appointments to federal judgeships. I would go to some set term.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (Di3Im)

312 If Perry is corrupt, then put up or shut up. Put up with something people really care about that is worse than common practice in government. Try not to link to Rolling Stone, for God's sake.

Something credible. Original sources if possible. Otherwise, denounce him for a valid reason, but on this one?

Stifle!

Posted by: Archie Bunker at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (YiE0S)

313 Who would vote for Obama over Perry because they are thinking about Bush?

Politically shallow "Independents" who vote based on style over substance and hold less than fond memories of GW. Obama campaigned on his McCain = Bush theme for a reason- it worked.

How many of them think that way I don't know.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (SY2Kh)

314 Perry had his chance. He blew it. He self destructed and will never appeal to Indies and the demographics needed to win the election.

If you believe he can win, buy Perry shares on Intrade, you can probably get 80-1 odds.

Perry is a good man, don't get me wrong. His has a decent record on jobs. He is a fine governor in Texas. But his immigration stance, volunteer tax plan and his woefully inadequate debate performances have defined him.. and now he is unelectable.

Insisting on a Perry resurrection is a huge mistake. It won't happen, and if it did, Perry would lose.

I know its hard to digest, but if you want to beat Obama, Romney is the guy in this field, unless someone else jumps in.

Sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt.

Perry's hand was already played.

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (ukl9X)

315 Why do I get the feeling that the extent of crony
capitalism is going toe be Merck and possibly one other questionable
case, and just "feelings" that there must be more.

Posted by: buzzion

If so, Bachmann has a lot to answer for. She took money from quite a few pharmas except, you guessed it...Merck. One of them was the competitor of the Gardisil vaccine.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:34 PM (iYbLN)

316 I am so sorry.. I believed the hoax and repeated it here.
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Don't let it happen again.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:34 PM (zLeKL)

317
I just have to say that it sucks that we have to factor in how the media will manipulate the narrative as we select our candidates.
It isnt a fair fight based on principles.


Posted by: California Red at December 19, 2011 06:34 PM (DXTKe)

318 The news about Jon Bon Jovi is tragic. He will be missed.

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at December 19, 2011 06:34 PM (H/kgP)

319 OOPS...there he goes again...
http://bit.ly/vOrhtd

Posted by: ABO at December 19, 2011 06:35 PM (MbeEN)

320
Allen at #286.
1) Demand creates the need for jobs, more people more demand. The unemployment rate has been similar to the rest of the country as far as rising, hence as to population increase, Texas hasn't fared any better than the rest of the country (in significant amounts).
2 3) The 'broken window' economic thinking works in a closed system. If OUTSIDE money is brought into a local area, the local area will see job growth (not that the result is good, but it explains job growth numbers). As for nationwide, it doesn't work because money is taken away from other places - hence less money in the rest of the country to make jobs available, more money in Texas.
4) From what I've seen the Energy sector has created full one fourth of those jobs created, therefore it is very important to those numbers. If that is one-forth and population growth is half of it, what's left? Public sector growth and weather related stimulus?

Posted by: doug at December 19, 2011 06:35 PM (gUGI6)

321 Unfortunately, so is Random [alive].

Posted by: Joffen

You are such an asshole. That's the sort of thing a chickenshit coward would say online. Therefore, you are an online chickenshit coward.

Posted by: Archie Bunker at December 19, 2011 06:35 PM (YiE0S)

322
Jeff Goldblum did die though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2011 06:35 PM (JYheX)

323 For me, one of the biggest points about Perry is that he's trying to appeal to people like me who are rock-ribbed conservatives. Mitt supporters say that Romney is more conservative than his reputation and they make a good case, but the man himself doesn't try very hard to sell me on that. And since I can't get inside their heads and don't have an insider's information, I have to judge 'em partly by who they want to be their friends.
In a weird way, Perry's dumb, almost bigoted stuff on school prayer and gays in the military and all that makes me like him more. Because if he's trying to go for *those* people, chances are he won't betray conservatives more than he has to.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:35 PM (epBek)

324 @283
C'mon dude! Give it Up!
The Salamanderclearly has far out reaching thinking skills in comparison to Perry. I like Perry and all......but let's face it......he's a butterknife. He has good creditials....but he still doesn't have anything over most of the field.
Perry may have good instincts and may have the correct intentions....but seriously....visualize a longsummer campaign.....visualize debates against Obama with a biased moderator and a biased media to report them.
Not.Gonna.Be.Pretty!

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (JMsOK)

325 off sock

Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (YiE0S)

326 304 I am so sorry.. I believed the hoax and repeated it here.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:32 PM (qjUnn)
Don't worry someone else beat you to it on this very thread.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (GULKT)

327 So what movie was this a review of, anyway? Eh?

Hello?

Posted by: Moron What Knows That...uh...that...wha? at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (ay6+/)

328 316 I am so sorry.. I believed the hoax and repeated it here.
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Don't let it happen again.
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:34 PM (zLeKL)

Its so hard for me to regulate my stupidity. But I will try harder.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (qjUnn)

329 ABC News/Wash Post 8/29 - 9/1 RV 46 47 Perry +1 NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 8/27 - 8/31 RV 47 42 Obama +5 Rasmussen Reports 8/29 - 8/30 1000 LV 41 44 Perry +3 Quinnipiac 8/16 - 8/27 2730 RV 45 42 Obama +3 Rasmussen Reports 8/17 - 8/22 1000 LV 43 40 Obama +3 PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 700 RV 49 43 Obama +6Gallup 8/17 - 8/18 879 RV 47 47 Tie CNN/Opinion Research 8/5 - 8/7 930 RV 51 46 Obama +5
Perry was fractions of a point behind Romney against Obama before the shit hit the fan, and easily the most electable candidate of any in the primary.

Posted by: CAC at December 19, 2011 06:36 PM (Ezhjz)

330 Whenever I talk to people I know from Texas I blame them for Perry not doing better. What's going on I ask? They are just as flummoxed.

Looking beyond polling, Perry has money. We'll write of Iowa because Paul will do freakishly well. We'll write off NH because that's Mitt's backyard. It will come down to SC again and if Newt can't pull back on the stick there are only so many candidates that will compete with Mitt there. Perry is probably top of that list.

So hang on to your hats.

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (Fw2Gg)

331 I don't like the suggestion that if we think Perry has been a lousy campaigner we are somehow "concern" trolls.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (7WJOC)

332 Jesus, who pissed in your Cheerios everyday of your pathetic life? I bet you kick puppies and children.
One of the reasons my life is awesome is I don't have unrealistic hopes for politicians.
I do kick puppies and children. Another reason my life is awesome.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (epBek)

333 Perry is a lousy campaigner.

Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (YiE0S)

334 This constant raging boner for Rick Perry is getting a little tiresome. I know the management of the blog thinks he is the best candidate, but cheer-leading the guy every day does get a little old after awhile.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 19, 2011 06:38 PM (ijjAe)

335 @325: Can you take off your "racist sock"? Nah, that shit is permanent.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:38 PM (zLeKL)

336 20th Century: "Krishna Krishna mukunda janardhana"
21st Century: "We are the 99%"

Posted by: NJANAPPANA at December 19, 2011 06:38 PM (e8kgV)

337 323

Prove Perry is a bigot. Hard facts, not your interpretation of bullshit. Do it.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:39 PM (iYbLN)

338 @293

If you love Perry, you make me sick. If Perry is a decent guy, you make him sick too.

WTF? Want to explain?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 06:39 PM (hXJOG)

339 Jeff Goldblum did die though.
I got him better!

Posted by: Newt at December 19, 2011 06:39 PM (XdlcF)

340 The uninformed middle is very evident on this thread.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 06:40 PM (AB6pF)

341 296 289 He is a libtard.Lives 5 minutes away from my house.
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:30 PM (7WJOC)


Next moron meetup is at Steevy's house.. we drink and then go egg BonJovi's house...

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:40 PM (qjUnn)

342 2 3) The 'broken window' economic thinking works in a closed system. If OUTSIDE money is brought into a local area, the local area will see job growth (not that the result is good, but it explains job growth numbers). As for nationwide, it doesn't work because money is taken away from other places - hence less money in the rest of the country to make jobs available, more money in Texas.
Except you can implement those policies on a national level and compete with the world and attempt to entice jobs back from overseas or new jobs to be created here due to business friendly practices. I think even one of the job creators in Texas is a Chinese company. The system is larger than you want to claim it is.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 06:40 PM (GULKT)

343 Random is a lousy racist. I bet he got banned from KKK meetings.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (zLeKL)

344 Wow, thread got ugly in like three minutes.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (rQ/Ue)

345 333
Perry is a lousy campaigner.


Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (YiE0S)
And Obama is an excellent campaigner.....

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (X6akg)

346 But that impulse -- the idea that the first questions should always be "Wait, does the federal government need to do this? Is it even constitutional that they do this?" -- is the right impulse.
Right!!!! Seriously, I was trying to think of one aspect of everyday life in which the government has not asserted its "help." (I thought of exactly one -- you know "thingee" -- and I might be wrong about that.)
Great post, Ace.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (/66q8)

347
Jesus, who pissed in your Cheerios everyday of your pathetic life? I bet you kick puppies and children.

One of the reasons my life is awesome is I don't have unrealistic hopes for politicians.
I do kick puppies and children. Another reason my life is awesome.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus
You must have never had and dreams in your life. Hoe pathetic. I do believe you'd kick puppies and children. I wouldn't cross the street to save you from an oncoming bus.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:42 PM (iYbLN)

348 323Prove Perry is a bigot. Hard facts, not your interpretation of bullshit. Do it.
WTF? I don't think he's a bigot. Nobody in modern America who's gotten to any kind of elite status in politics or the military or business is a bigot, because any hint of that would be the kiss of death for their career. Except maybe Ron Paul, who defies logic in all sorts of ways.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:42 PM (epBek)

349 I'm sorry Ace, but Perry is a lost cause.

First of all, I challenge your central assertion: that Governor Perry somehow "created" jobs.

You of all people should know government doesn't create private sector jobs. The best it can do is stay out of the way. Can the case be made that Perry didn't expand government in Texas to get in the way of job creation? Yes, I suppose - but as a very weak official position, how much of that can he personally really take credit for?

Can you name any great initiatives he took to improve the Texas business environment? What were they?

Does Perry has the slightest experience in creating private sector jobs, while IN the private sector?

I know of one prominent Republican that DID spend years in the private sector, and turned around hundreds of companies and created amazing stores like Staples. I don't see anything like that on Perry's resume.

Perry simply lacks presidential stature. His ability to lead is surely related to his ability to communicate and inspire confidence through sheer presence. Can anyone argue he is Presidential timber? It seems obvious that after this failed Presidential run, his days in Texas are numbered.

And that is the stark reality: we're not witnessing the Second Coming of Ronald Reagan. We've been gasping at the horribly disappointing spectacle of Rick Perry politically imploding.

Let's not waste time and energy and the Rick Perry we all - myself included - HOPED for. We have to view this guy objectively, and conclude he's not The One.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (niZvt)

350 Next moron meetup is at Steevy's house.. we drink and then go egg BonJovi's house...
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 06:40 PM (qjUnn)
suhWEET!
Leave the eggs out in the sun for a day so they get nice and stinky!

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (zSUIh)

351 Perry screwed Palin over by breaking his promise not to jump in. She put a curse on him. He has to get the curse taken off. He doesn't know how. Too fucking bad.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (6H6FZ)

352 Ace, I like your blogging and always have...but on Perry, you're just wrong. The guys at Redstate are wrong on Perry in a very obnoxious and self-absorbed way. You are thoughtful, deliberative, and sincere in your appraisal...but wrong. I'll continue to read you; Redstate, not so much.

I'll simplify: I would have liked to have liked Perry. He looks good on paper, as you have capably demonstrated. The main thing is when the lights come on, he tightens up. I'm not being critical, it's just the truth. That won't work in one-on-ones with Obama and it won't work with the tough situations a President will inevitably face.

I'm for Romney. You asked for 3 big things. Here's mine for Mitt:
1) he can beat Obama 2) he should beat Obama 3) he will beat Obama. After that, we can all work together to see that he does what the President of the United States needs to do to return this nation to greatness.

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Al at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (gXs0Y)

353 thread got ugly in like three minutes.

I wasn't even in here!?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (KjdW9)

354 Anyway, I think Perry would probably do well against Obama, and when you add in the media bias, I think Perry would do as well as the other guys.

They aren't going to be cutting fine distinctions. I mean, maybe Romney and Obama would both try to play for the center and just say they are better than their counterpart, but Perry has a completely different vision than Obama. It's real. Their visions have records, and one works great and the other sucks bad.

There will be ugliness no matter who we nominate, but the records... the hard facts... the experience... the authenticity... that depends on who we nominate and Perry, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch.

Perry Palin 2012!!! Just kidding.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (rQ/Ue)

355 I remember seeing Perry on CSPAN about a year ago. A one on one interview. A kind of low stress situation, I guess, but he surprised the hell out of me -- I thought I'd found a genuine conservative in government when I figured they were all gone. I've extensively reviewed his record since and been pretty impressed.

I think I understand why debates are not his forte. Being cursed with somewhat above average intelligence (don't get smart -- if I was some dummy I'd be over at YouTube defending Barack Obama instead of reading all 2,953 of Aces' words) my brain kicks into overdrive when I'm under attack. It plots and schemes, runs the ramifications of antagonizing some person or witness or group, considers alternatives, reconsiders the ramifications. It may appear that I'm dumbstruck and lost for words, but that is 180 degrees from the truth. I'm processing the hell out of the information using my brain at its top speed of around 200 mph. Sometimes it takes a bit for me to make a decision about what I want to say, but it's a considered thought that I will then voice.

I genuinely like the guy and think he'd act in the best interests of the country.

Posted by: Very Perry at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (phlKA)

356 Wow a lot of deathwishing here.

Regardless, we are going to choose a governor. That means Romney, Perry, Johnson, and Huntsman.

Who is your pick now?

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:44 PM (Fw2Gg)

357 Rick Perry is so bigotted he had a gay guy on staff that a fake conservative Gay group had to out him for an ad the gay guy didn't agree with and had to retroactively justify by saying "well then he should have resigned"

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 06:44 PM (GULKT)

358 Wow, thread got ugly in like three minutes.
Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (rQ/Ue)
I'm surprised it didn't happen much, much earlier.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:44 PM (zSUIh)

359 In a weird way, Perry's dumb, almost bigoted stuff on school prayer and
gays in the military and all that makes me like him more. Because if
he's trying to go for *those* people, chances are he won't betray
conservatives more than he has to.
Then WTF does this statement mean? Almost bigoted? You either are a bigot or you aren't, simpleton.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (iYbLN)

360 I salute your steadfastness, Ace. And I agree with you.

Posted by: redneck hippie at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (ttSIm)

361 Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:33 PM (Di3Im)
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Here's a clarification from Hot Air.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (zLeKL)

362 PERRY: Well then the independent school boards that oversee those should make those decisions, not government. Again, I mean, the idea that we have to be so politically correct that theres one family that says, Listen, I dont want my child, then that child ought to have the freedom can sit over there and play Tic Tac Toe or what have you. But the issue is that for Washington to tell a local school district that you cannot have a prayer and a time of prayer in that school, I think, is offensive to most Americans. I trust the people of the states to make those decisions, I trust those independent school districts to make those decisions better than eight unelected and, frankly, unaccountable judges. And its one of the reasons that Ive called for the end of lifetime appointments to federal judgeships. I would go to some set term.
Well, if the vote was 8-1, he sure could have meant what he said.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (XdlcF)

363 151, you've got to get past the primaries before you can face the SCOAMF, you dipshit.

Perry can't, and he won't.

Posted by: Bullshit at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (gVqQ3)

364 You must have never had and dreams in your life. Hoe pathetic. I do believe you'd kick puppies and children. I wouldn't cross the street to save you from an oncoming bus.
Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!!
My dreams have always been or dreams, so yeah.
On the contrary, my hoeing is awesome. In 1993 I won the hoeing competition at the Texas State Fair for the third year in a row and was personally congratulated by the Texas Ag Commissioner.
Thanks for believing me.
What do you have against an innocent bus?

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (epBek)

365 Let's see here:

Reagan (conservative)/Bush (moderate) WIN/WIN
Bush (mod)/Quayle (con) WIN/LOSS
Dole (mod)/Kemp (con) LOSS
Bush (mod)/Cheney (con) WIN/WIN
McCain (mod)/Palin (con) LOSS

Is there any kind of trend here?

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (DzX9o)

366 We elect either one of those two weasels and we will get what we deserve.

Maybe, but whatever it is we deserve it will be better than Obama.

Let Obama pick the new Scotus and conservatives will be back in the desert for 40 years. There is a big picture here.

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (ukl9X)

367 Just so you know, the governor of texas has very little input into regulation or regulatory policy.

The elected offices of Railroad Commissioner, Comptroller, and Lieutenant Governor are what you are looking for.

Posted by: Texan Economist at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (xTW2k)

368 Perry screwed Palin over by breaking his promise not to jump in. She put a curse on him. He has to get the curse taken off. He doesn't know how. Too fucking bad.
Posted by: SurferDoc at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (6H6FZ)
I saw Howl's Moving Castle last night. Maybe Perry should watch that for tips on breaking curses.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (Di3Im)

369 I'm surprised it didn't happen much, much earlier.
What's that supposed to mean, RINO??!!

Posted by: Mama AJ, not helping at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (XdlcF)

370 "He also has to prove he's NOT BUSH"

Yeah, about that: how many Presidential elections did W win?

Posted by: speedster1 at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (yeM7r)

371 I know of one prominent Republican that DID spend years in the private
sector, and turned around hundreds of companies and created amazing
stores like Staples.

In the process, putting tens of thousands of 'Mom and Pop' Main Street stationary stores out of business for good.

Or for bad.

Posted by: Fact Czecher at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (phlKA)

372 246 Let's see, how did he create jobs in Texas and translate it nationwide... 2) You will need supersize hurricanes in other countries... 3) Tornadoes and the like need to wreck havoc across the U.S.... _________
I guess we now know what Dick Cheney did with the keys to HAARP.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (FzhYM)

373 Perry is great in stump. Just watch him with Hannity in Freedom Concert in TX. He is unmatched in terms of connecting to regular fokes. He is very likable.

Posted by: nancy at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (RXUy+)

374 OT: This Kim Jong-un is a freaking dictator-for-life and he's not even 30! What have I done with my life!?

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (zLeKL)

375 "

You of all people should know government doesn't create private sector
jobs. The best it can do is stay out of the way. Can the case be made
that Perry didn't expand government in Texas to get in the way of job
creation? Yes, I suppose - but as a very weak official position, how
much of that can he personally really take credit for?"

He was LT Gov and legislator too.

Perry has had a hand in shaping Texas policy in basically every way it can be shaped, and consistently kept it out of the way.

True, this leads to the 'big whoop' response from those who don't understand conservatism.

The truth is it's much harder to lead this way. A problem comes up, and the leadership has to wield limited power lightly. Most of Perry's work has been ordinary management and cutting spending hundreds of times (no exaggeration).

He executes the right principles, and he does so with 95% reliability.

Compared to Newt and Romney, this is great. Especially Romney. I mean, Romneycare alone was a disaster. Controlling everyone's choice over insurance? WTF? No, that didn't create jobs, if you're wondering. Just demand.

Perry also fought hard for tort reform, leading tons of folks to come to Texas to make their livelihood, and they contribute a lot to the economy. He also kept regulation stable and predictable,leading a lot of businesses to set up factories here.

All around me are new factories hiring people. I want this for my country.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (rQ/Ue)

376 Is there any kind of trend here?
Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (DzX9o)
Who were each team running against? See if you can spot a trend when you factor that in.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (Di3Im)

377 Where exactly is Perry going to catch fire?
Iowa? Nope. New Hampshire? Nope. SC? Maybe. Florida? Ask Rudy about waiting until Florida to make a run at the nomination.
I loathe and detest the current primary schedule. The fact is that 2 or 3 states (and some with open primaries!) choose the party nominee. The system is broken.

Posted by: Log Cabin at December 19, 2011 06:49 PM (8+NvL)

378 he won't betray conservatives more than he has to.
Which is why, if the majority of the party comes to also believe that and gets on board with him, they will fight like mad men and he will win.
On a platform of libtertarian-conservative fusionism, ala Goldwater or Reagan.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 06:49 PM (TLNYf)

379 359 In a weird way, Perry's dumb, almost bigoted stuff on school prayer and gays in the military and all that makes me like him more. Because if he's trying to go for *those* people, chances are he won't betray conservatives more than he has to.Then WTF does this statement mean? Almost bigoted? You either are a bigot or you aren't, simpleton.
I'm only almost a simpleton. Just like you're almost able to do reading comprehension.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:50 PM (epBek)

380 All the typos are intentional, there to make you wonder about the magic of words and spelling, and slow you down as you read. Like speedbumps, but with misspellings.
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2011 05:49 PM (nj1bB)


You tickle my baby door when you write shit like that.

But she's right. Go back and fix before the impending Instalanche.

Posted by: Lena at December 19, 2011 06:50 PM (aqGyU)

381 Almost bigoted is the new A Little Pregnant.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:50 PM (iYbLN)

382 I don't like the suggestion that if we think Perry has been a lousy campaigner we are somehow "concern" trolls.
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (7WJOC)

Perry has been running as good a campaign as any of the other candidates. Do you mean the debates? He hasn't been stellar there but he did do much better in the last one. But debates do not make a campaign. They're only a fraction of the effort. Have you seen any of his campaign ads? I have. And they're very good. He's going to do well.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 06:50 PM (AB6pF)

383 I'm for Romney. You asked for 3 big things. Here's mine for Mitt:1)
he can beat Obama 2) he should beat Obama 3) he will beat Obama. After
that, we can all work together to see that he does what the President of
the United States needs to do to return this nation to greatness.Merry Christmas!


Posted by: Al at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (gXs0Y)

Al, that temple underwear feels good in the winter right?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 06:50 PM (hXJOG)

384 Something in my gut is telling me that it doesn't matter who the candidate is going to be against Obammer, the Right will end up cutting their own throats and a whole bunch of people are going to be pissed that their guy didn't get it, and leave Obama in place.


Mine, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2011 06:51 PM (r4wIV)

385 Perry needs to go light with the starch in his shirt collars. Sayen.

Posted by: Perry Is A Straight Shooter at December 19, 2011 06:51 PM (EL+OC)

386
seth @365: Are you saying we need to run a Bush to win?

Posted by: California Red at December 19, 2011 06:51 PM (DXTKe)

387 What have I done with my life!?
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (zLeKL)
I don't know but I'm guessing you don't have reserved spot in a lake of fire in Hell like Jong-un has.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:52 PM (zSUIh)

388 When I saw the official Christmas card from the White House my first thought was campaigner in chief isplaying up thefamily man theme.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 19, 2011 06:52 PM (w3YD7)

389 >>>>Do you mean the debates? He hasn't been stellar there...

That's putting it lightly.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 19, 2011 06:52 PM (N/1Dm)

390 In the process, putting tens of thousands of 'Mom and Pop' Main Street stationary stores out of business for good. Or for bad.
Posted by: Fact Czecher at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (phlKA)
Way to stand up for free markets, Newt.

Which is why, if the majority of the party comes to also believe that and gets on board with him, they will fight like mad men and he will win.
On a platform of libtertarian-conservative fusionism, ala Goldwater or Reagan.
Posted by: Entropy,

I don't believe it will happen, but I have to admit that if it did, it would be awesome.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:52 PM (epBek)

391 Tickle my baby door?

Ace, hope you have Aunt Jemima in the cupboard!

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:52 PM (Fw2Gg)

392 you want concern?
Let's see...as a concerned catholic conservative voter, in fact, as the one true conservative commenter in the blogosphere, I am deeply concerned that (looking up latest David Frum article for ammo...) umm, Perry's sole position on economic fixes is tax cuts when we all know that well-paid government jobs with gold-plated pensions and early retirement with double dipping has been the cornerstone of America's greatness since King George paved all the roads, and kept all the looters at bay for the colonists to become rich...has led me to believe that we must nominate Hunstman but ultimately vote for Obama to complete his economic vision in order to help the 99% gain some economic justice over the 1% (well, the part of the 1% that didn't contribute to Obama's campaign).

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (QxSug)

393 Ace, you need to say something about why you aren't worry about Perry's inability to communicate. He comes across as if he hasn't any detailed views of his own and as if he's trying (and failing!) to remember what he's supposed to say. Sometimes he has a good line, but it's almost always a completely vapid remark about how we know how to spend our money better than the government does or what have you. Let's hear him actually address a complex subject with conviction, and sound persuasive and intelligent. Then he'll have my vote, not before.

Posted by: mr.midnight at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (/FB96)

394 I don't know but I'm guessing you don't have reserved spot in a lake of fire in Hell like Jong-un has.
----
Well, I am and atheist, so...

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (zLeKL)

395 Been saying it for a while... But yeah

PERRY 2012

Posted by: Naqamel at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (gcE9n)

396 Well, if the vote was 8-1, he sure could have meant what he said.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (XdlcF)
Indeed. After the "eight judges" clip was reported, his campaign said that he meant the majority in the 8-1 decision in 1963 that abolished public school prayer.
However, I bet way, way more people remember this as "Perry doesn't know there are nine JUSTICES on the Supreme Court" than as "Perry was referring to an 8-1 decision from 1963." If the rap on you is that you're prone to boneheaded errors, you really don't want to say anything that, while technically correct, sounds like a boneheaded error. (And if the rap on you -- as it is on Romney -- is that you favor big corporations over the little guy, then you don't want to say "corporations are people, too," even if it's technically true in context.)

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (Di3Im)

397 Almost bigoted is the new A Little Pregnant.
Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!!

I'm sorry I got your wife almost bigoted. Next time I'll pull out. Too bad you're almost potent.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (epBek)

398 Perry's job success in Texas is not because of him. It is because Texas is Texas. With our without him, they would have added as many, if not more jobs in the same time frame.

Posted by: astonerii at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (NBcgu)

399 Perry ship left the dock. Live with it. So did Cain's. And Newt's is pulling up anchors as we speak. They are history.

Romney can win. Bachmann and Santorum cannot.

Don't like Romney? Keep thinking of Romney with a R congress vs. what we have now.

Let's argue about the spoils after we get them.


Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (ukl9X)

400 I'm only almost a simpleton. Just like you're almost able to do reading comprehension.

Me dunt understanz smart peeeples like yu. Thats whi u tell me who2 vot 4 and i do.

I correct myself. You are no simpleton. You are a nasty, little douchebag.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (iYbLN)

401 He's dead, Jim.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (6H6FZ)

402 "Perry screwed Palin over by breaking his promise not to jump in. She
put a curse on him. He has to get the curse taken off. He doesn't know
how. Too fucking bad.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (6H6FZ)"
I can't tell if you're kidding, but there's some basis for this. I believe the only one running who has been endorsed by Palin in the past is Perry.
"While a bunch of politicians have gone to Washington, hat in hand,
seeking a bailout, Governor Perry has said we should stimulate the
economy with tax cuts and maintain spending discipline," Palin said.
"Rick Perry is true to conservative principles even when others think
the party needs to go a different direction. I like that about him: he
doesn't care which way the wind blows, he acts on his beliefs."
This is all true, btw. And it's a great endorsement.
But Palin, in my opinion, was intending to run and then realized there was no upside with someone like Perry running too. They have some similar positions now, and Perry has a longer resume and more consistency (I like Palin a lot, but she's not ready to be president in my opinion).
I think Palin's circle is very irritated that Perry ran, and yet this is a pickle because if they support the same policies, they should support the guy who credibly backs them. Instead, they have gone to Cain and Newt to some extent. And neither were as neatly in line on policy, to my view.
I think this is bad politics on Perry's part. He should have made some hard core overtures to Palin. I think he would win if he had her support, and I doubt he will win if he never gets it.
For what it's worth, he has praised her and he was right there in 2009, attending Tea Parties and raising hell about federal Romneycare. He walked the walk and I think he should be the Tea Party guy.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (rQ/Ue)

403 I don't know but I'm guessing you don't have reserved spot in a lake of fire in Hell like Jong-un has. ---- Well, I am and atheist, so...
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (zLeKL)
Oh, so you DO have a reserved spot in a lake of fire in Hell.
(Just kidding! Just kidding!)

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (Di3Im)

404 Well, I am and atheist, so...
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (zLeKL)
Well, ya got that going for you, I suppose.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 06:55 PM (zSUIh)

405 Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Al at December 19, 2011 06:43 PM (gXs0Y)

Al, that temple underwear feels good in the winter right?
Posted by: Billy Bob
Fuck you, bigot.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:55 PM (epBek)

406 I'm sorry I got your wife almost bigoted. Next time I'll pull out. Too bad you're almost potent.
Aw too bad darlin'. I'm female and you're still a nasty little titweasel.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:55 PM (iYbLN)

407 I don't love Perry, but I recognize that out of the field of other shitty candidates, he's probably the best shitty conservative candidate we have.

In fact I think at his core he is eminently more conservative than Bush was, a mile's fuck more conservative than Romney is and wouldn't have supported half the leftist shit Newt has been diddling over the past few years.

If he's not the nominee I'll vote for whoever is. Except Ron Paul.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (16UJh)

408 So almost bigoted means borderline bigoted?

Posted by: Occupy The Batcave at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (H/kgP)

409 405: "Merry Christmas!"

"Fuck you, bigot!"

Heh.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (zLeKL)

410 Me dunt understanz smart peeeples like yu.
FIFY.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (epBek)

411 gees- what a group wank circle jerk -
you've torn down all the constitutional candidates and now you want people to fall in line with you?
no- get fucked. and fuck rick perry with a big burnt stick.

Posted by: Derka Derka at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (NizFd)

412 ACE! My heart warms... my favorite blog and group of folks I've never met but read daily... reinforce my pick. Great job working through the arguments Ace and I know it was not a easy decision and likely Perry has room to make us not completely happy, but he appears to be the real deal.
TEBOW time? hehe.. I love you guys......

Posted by: Yip in Texas : OMG at December 19, 2011 06:56 PM (cQhQZ)

413 Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:55 PM (iYbLN)
--
So you're a lesbian? Now I'm confused!

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:57 PM (zLeKL)

414 What would happen if Empire of Jeff and Emperor of Ice Cream ended Thunderdome?

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:57 PM (Fw2Gg)

415 "It is because Texas is Texas. With our without him, they would have added as many, if not more jobs"

So you're saying Perry actually cost Texas jobs?

Damn.

So much for records, right?

Perry is the first guy in a long time to have Texas's state discretionary spending (per capita) decrease. He's a better governor than Bush was. And he's been governing in some hard times, with relative success.

Even one of Perry's loudest opponents for govenror admits that Perry's fingerprints are all over Texas's success.

Texas is not that different from California. Resources, coast, agriculture. The difference is the fiscal conservative policies Perry has championed for over two decades, in the leg, as LT Gov, and as Governor. Some of his work he's been very much the instigator on, too.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:57 PM (rQ/Ue)

416 "general if he's done such a poor job of it thus far in the primaries."
What primaries has Perry been defeated in? Maybe a link or something?

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (1RbJd)

417 I think Palin's circle is very irritated that Perry ran, and yet this is a pickle because if they support the same policies, they should support the guy who credibly backs them. Instead, they have gone to Cain and Newt to some extent. And neither were as neatly in line on policy, to my view.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (rQ/Ue)
I'm a Palin fan, and my first instinct when she announced (and yes, repeated on Fox News on On The Record) that she wasn't running was to back Perry.
And then he imploded. Which was certainly not Palin's fault.
It's hard to want to back a loser -- which (according to the poll numbers) Perry is, and will be, unless and until he starts winning.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (Di3Im)

418 Entered not ended damn you autocorrect!

Posted by: Blaster at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (Fw2Gg)

419 I like Perry a lot and have written a lot in support of him on this and other threads, but I have to say that it seems to me that his chances of making a comeback and getting the nomination are extremely slim. And the sad thing is that he did this to himself.

Although I strongly suspect that his meds may have played a big part in his poor performances. Recall that he had back surgery just before entering the race. I remember being surprised that he was actively campaigning so soon after his surgery.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (21lBC)

420 402 He told her he would stay out. He got talked into changing his mind when she waited so long. He was told she wasn't going to run and got scammed into screwing her over. There is a way to get the curse removed but he won't do it, I don't think.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (6H6FZ)

421 "Tickle your Baby Door"
That's a new one...and I like it. Don't mind if I use it? GREAT!
It reminds me of FeedBags....or Custard Pump..

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 06:59 PM (JMsOK)

422 Great post ace. I actually read the whole thing, lol. I wish my sis in law would read it. She likes Romney because he's so "presidential". Jeebus.. she drives me crazy.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at December 19, 2011 06:59 PM (Z71Vg)

423 I'm sorry I got your wife almost bigoted. Next time I'll pull out. Too bad you're almost potent.Aw too bad darlin'. I'm female

I don't judge.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 06:59 PM (epBek)

424 If Perry is corrupt, then put up or shut up. Put up with something people really care about that is worse than common practice in government. Try not to link to Rolling Stone, for God's sake.Something credible. Original sources if possible. Otherwise, denounce him for a valid reason, but on this one?

How about the Dallas Morning News, circa July 2010?

I like Perry, and I understand this sort of 'soft corruption' is commonplace, but let's not pretend that it'll go away if we just ignore it. Perry has been involved in very questionable land deals, and anyone would be crazy to think the MSM / Obama campaign (BIRM) wouldn't make a huge deal out of it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 07:00 PM (SY2Kh)

425 "
Don't like Romney? Keep thinking of Romney with a R congress vs. what we have now.

Let's argue about the spoils after we get them."

If Perry can't win and Romney's inevitable, but you're conservative, why not work hard for Perry to win anyway? What harm will that do?

We can argue about the general when we get there. If, after a hard fight, Romney manages to win, then OK. I think things are much more volatile. Even after the first few contests, there will be plenty of time for much change.

Rudy looked like a real contender at this point last time.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 07:00 PM (rQ/Ue)

426 408
So almost bigoted means borderline bigoted?


Posted by: Occupy The Batcave

Thems the rulz the Emperor of Ice Cream deemed it to be the law of the land. What he says goes. He is moar smarter than us.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:00 PM (iYbLN)

427 Perry's job success in Texas is not because of him. It is because Texas is Texas. With our without him, they would have added as many, if not more jobs in the same time frame.
Posted by: astonerii at December 19, 2011 06:54 PM (NBcgu)

So basically your saying he stayed out of the way of free enterpise and prosperity? He's my candidatefor sure then.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 07:00 PM (AB6pF)

428 414 What would happen if Empire of Jeff and Emperor of Ice Cream ended Thunderdome?
Posted by: Blaster
Probably not hot lesbian sex.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 07:01 PM (epBek)

429 Empire of Jeff would destroy him then skin him like a hobo.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:01 PM (iYbLN)

430 He is unmatched in terms of connecting to regular fokes. He is very likable.

So area puppies and kittens. But the real world is not campaign stops with the adoring choir. It's gotcha interviews and debates with unfriendly moderators and hard questions 24/7.

Perry is a nice guy. But he already showed us that he isn't ready for prime time.

This whole idea that Perry will get better with time is ridiculous. His back hurt. He took pills. He wasn't ready. He was tired. He got no sleep. It's time to stop making excuses for Perry. There are no training wheels for the Presidency.

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:02 PM (ukl9X)

431
Although I strongly suspect that his meds may have played a big part in his poor performances.

The dude can't hold his Vicodin.

Posted by: sandy burger at December 19, 2011 07:02 PM (ErTq7)

432 Regarding Perry's ability to govern in light of the position as Governor of Texas, here's how I see it:

The population of Texas is presently about 25 million. The entire United States had a population of 31 million in 1860, and 22 million in 1861 (due to 9 million southerners deciding to leave for 4 years).

Back in the 19th century, the President had much less power compared to the rest of the Federal Government than he does now. Further, the Federal Government had much less power compared to the States than it does now.

Therefore, I think it is reasonable to say that Governor Perry has more responsibility as Governor of Texas than, at minimum, the following Presidents had (with no disrespect meant towards most of the men listed here):

George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
James Polk
Zachery Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanon

Abraham Lincoln is the first President to officially govern more people than Perry does, and he actually had to conquer a third of them, so I'd say Lincoln's the first President that had more on his plate than Perry does.

That leaves Perry in pretty good company, in my opinion.

Posted by: Chris at December 19, 2011 07:02 PM (ht3c8)

433 **f Perry is corrupt, then put up or shut up. Put up with something people really care about that is worse than common practice in government. Try not to link to Rolling Stone, for God's sake.**

We all know that the only state with uncorruptable officials is illinois, and in particular Chicago.

signed, XXOO

the media, digging through your trash in Wasilla and Dallas

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (QxSug)

434 I've been on Team Perry since he declared. I will be until he drops out. If I were a betting man, I'd say Romney squeaks out a win against Obama next November, but all this nonsense about he's the only guy that can win is delusional at best.

Fine, all you Team Romney folks will most likely get your way, but only because, as Ace suggests (but is too nice to say it) most voters are idiots.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (Gc/Qi)

435 Thanks, Ace. I'm on Team Perry. If his ship sinks or sails, I'm on it. He's absolutely the best candidate as far as policy AND record. Substance matters to me. Team Perry in the primary, Anybody but Obama or Paul in the general.

Posted by: Mandy P. is hoping for a Texas miracle at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (qFpRI)

436 Very persuasive endorsement. But......

When Perry was preparing to enter the race I thought we might have a real conservative with a really fine record. I was excited, bought his books. But.....

Perry quickly fell flat. He has a disturbing physical resemblance to Bush and a disturbing verbal resemblance as well. One of the most damaging things about Bush was his complete inability to articulate his positions and goals, so the media got to savage him with impunity, year after year. I'm afraid that Perry has demonstrated he'd be no different.

I'd certainly vote for him if he got the nomination but I don't think that's going to happen unless Iowans do something unexpected.

Posted by: Harold at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (wmfzA)

437 Perry has been involved in very questionable land deals

Did the guy he bought the land from get arrested, tried, and thrown in prison like Obama's?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (r4wIV)

438 Perry is a better leader than George Washington!?!?1?1!
Mater Dei.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (epBek)

439 E of IC.

You should be so lucky to have a woman like me. Then again, I wouldn't give you a second glance.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (iYbLN)

440 Heh, this is a tweet from Perry's son:

griffperry Griffin Perry
@AoSHQ: For Rick Perry bit.ly/tTahrE This is strong from a very in the know political analyst.





Posted by: stace at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (lYlx9)

441 Perry has been involved in very questionable land deals, and anyone would be crazy to think the MSM / Obama campaign (BIRM) wouldn't make a huge deal out of it.
I'll be reporting on that story.

Posted by: Special Correspondent Tony Rezko at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (XdlcF)

442 Debate performance is a big part of campaigning.

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (7WJOC)

443 Rudy looked like a real contender at this point last time.

Thanks for making my point. We should have nominated him.

Worry about the GE later? Really?

I think we should nominate someone who can win, not necessarily the most conservative.

That's why I don't support Perry now, although I was excited when he got in.

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:05 PM (ukl9X)

444 440
Heh, this is a tweet from Perry's son:

griffperry Griffin Perry
@AoSHQ: For Rick Perry bit.ly/tTahrE This is strong from a very in the know political analyst.



Posted by: stace

That great. Thanks stace.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:05 PM (iYbLN)

445 Here's a clarification from Hot Air.
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:45 PM (zLeKL)
Yes, which is exactly what I was referring to at #249 above.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:05 PM (Di3Im)

446 Ace has this right - IF, and ONLY IF - Perry gets back to one very strict Texas Principal. "Actions Talk and BullS**t Walks"..... and to do that he get's off the Hamster Wheel that screws over every candidate and takes the fight directly to Obama. He's already called out Obama and forced him to respond to him as a Primary Candidate. The best thing Perry can do to win the nomination is to scare the crap out of Obama by taking the argument to his door.

Obama has pushed "dependence and government checks" to the unemployed both in speeches and policy. Perry needs to literally start an employment office in his campaign headquarters and do nothing but talk about JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. Tell people where to find jobs, tell people what is costing them the job they had and tell them how to bring jobs back. If you think I'm joking, consider this - the KFC in Midland, Texas is paying $15 an hour for a counter person and $25 plus for an experienced cook for all the hours you want to work with a bonus if you can start "on the spot". They are that busy. In the same town, employers will pay for your CDL certifications and training if you will sign on for a year. Every single job description is in demand because of their booming job growth.

On top of that his Czar's have regulated the life out of the economy both directly and indirectly. Hang him with it - show lots of pictures of out of work rig operators in the Gulf, out of work fishermen, out of work truckers and straight up point to who put these people out of work. The American people have an inherent distrust of unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.... Hang every single one of Obama's Czars around his neck - and use the videos of them spouting communist talking points.

It can be done, a new "Morning in America" campaign will work, if and only if, Perry's people stop fighting old wars and fight the only one that matters and that Obama can't win on. Perry is about the only candidate who can carry it off in a way that will make Americans believe it and act on it.

And as for Kay Bailey - In the last 12 years, she's came the closest to knocking off Perry IN THE PRIMARY, but when Texans went to the Polls, they voted AGAINST WASHINGTON INSIDERS. The general election was a blood bath with that Houston idiot running on Obama's playbook.... so think about that for a while.

Posted by: 2nd Ammendment Mother at December 19, 2011 07:05 PM (L4CWX)

447 376
Is there any kind of trend here?

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 06:46 PM (DzX9o)
Who were each team running against? See if you can spot a trend when you factor that in.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:48 PM (Di3Im)
Good point. I'd say Lloyd Bentsen was the only moderate nominee during that time period. The rest of the Democrat match-ups are LIBERAL/LIBERAL.

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 07:05 PM (DzX9o)

448 @427
Perry is your guy and that's great, but will you be voting for Romney or Gingrich after they win the nod, because this is the real important question. Support for Perry is understandable....just not realistic!
As of right now amongst all that I can gather and everybody I know......it is only about 50%-50% on whether people will still be excited and vote for the Repub regardless of what happends.
IMO....this is the most important subject! It's not all about just getting the best guy you want, but rallying the support for the long term no matter who gets the Nod!

Posted by: Spicoli at December 19, 2011 07:06 PM (JMsOK)

449 440 Heh, this is a tweet from Perry's son:

griffperry Griffin Perry
@AoSHQ: For Rick Perry bit.ly/tTahrE This is strong from a very in the know political analyst.


Posted by: stace at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (lYlx9)


Cool!

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 07:06 PM (qjUnn)

450 E of IC.You should be so lucky to have a woman like me. Then again, I wouldn't give you a second glance.
Posted by: mpfs
Couldn't take your eyes off me, huh? Sounds about right. You lesbians are wheat to my scythe.

Posted by: Emperor of Jeb Stuart, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 07:06 PM (epBek)

451 Just sayin' -- but Bob Dole is ready and rested. Except for that annoying blue tint to everything he sees and the incessant worry about four hours having transpired, he could be 'in it to win it' in days.

But if that doesn't happen, Bob Dole gives Mitt Romney his support. Birds of an electoral college feather and all that.

Posted by: Bob Dole at December 19, 2011 07:06 PM (phlKA)

452 **Perry's job success in Texas is not because of him. It is because Texas is Texas. With our without him, they would have added as many, if not more jobs in the same time frame.**


because he inherited his economic problems, I mean successes from Bush??

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 19, 2011 07:07 PM (QxSug)

453 Did the guy he bought the land from get arrested, tried, and thrown in prison like Obama's?

Not as far as I know, but it wasn't the Rezko / Obama land deal that led to prison time. Such shady deals are common precisely because it's difficult to prove that they were the result of corruption instead of a lucky break in land investments.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 07:07 PM (SY2Kh)

454 450

If you say so.
Ask the morons who know me.

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:07 PM (iYbLN)

455 It's hard to want to back a loser -- which (according to the poll numbers) Perry is, and will be, unless and until he starts winning.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 06:58 PM (Di3Im)
Sure seems like Romney's supporters have no trouble backing a loser.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:08 PM (GULKT)

456 @295: "Bon Jovi is alive"
For now.....

Posted by: Brett Michaels at December 19, 2011 07:08 PM (jAqTK)

457 This whole idea that Perry will get better with time is ridiculous. His back hurt. He took pills. He wasn't ready. He was tired. He got no sleep. It's time to stop making excuses for Perry. There are no training wheels for the Presidency.
Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:02 PM (ukl9X)

Name one person in our history that was truly prepared for the US presidency. I don't think any of them were or ever will be. It's a job that only the ones that have actually experienced it have anyappreciation how big it is. Try again. This argument doesn't hold any water for me.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 07:08 PM (AB6pF)

458 You've written a long and no doubt cogent piece here, but I have to point out:

1) he talks funny. I am told this is a problem.
2) he hasn't done his homework, which you may loosely translate as a general failure to articulate things the way I want them articulated.
3) he is perceived as dumb. I have been told that's just as bad as actually *being* dumb, at least if you have a vagina and a twangy accent.

Sorry, man. Not electable. I will now proceed to introduce the topic of his unelectable nature into every thread until the mention of his name makes a spontaneous CFS* break out in the comments.

*Circular Firing Squad. But you knew that.

Posted by: Kerry at December 19, 2011 07:09 PM (AYfPj)

459 Oooohhh buzzion...SNAP!

Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 07:09 PM (iYbLN)

460 So maybe, maybe, he said 8 when he meantnine justices.
Meh.
I'm much more horrified that he said "Hot Gas" instead of "Hot Air". What's next, bragging about an endorsement from "Queen of Hearts"?

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 07:09 PM (XdlcF)

461 454,
I love it when chicks start talking biblically. Hubba hubba, babe.

Posted by: Emperor of Jeb Stuart, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 07:09 PM (epBek)

462 I don't like all this trumped up stuff against Perry. I hate his immigration stance, but Perry is not stupid or corrupt.

He is not the first front runner to implode and won't be the last. No need to demonize him. The fact he can't win the GE is good enough reason not to vote for, no need to make things up.

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:10 PM (ukl9X)

463 I have gotten over my sand in the vagina momment from Rick Perry's strong ad, and am now back to supporting him 100%. I hope those that have gone through similar roughpatches with him, will give him a second look.

Posted by: Max Power at December 19, 2011 07:10 PM (q177U)

464 OK Ace, you've convinced me. If Perry's still hanging on come Colorado I'll give him my vote. Otherwise its Newt.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 19, 2011 07:11 PM (xXhWA)

465 438
Perry is a better leader than George Washington!?!?1?1!
Mater Dei.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 19, 2011 07:04 PM (epBek)
So much for you going after other people for their lack of reading comprehension dumbass.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:11 PM (GULKT)

466 Because actually this is one of those places where Romney and Perry make
the same arguments (Romney's even said this at the debates): look, you
may think what we did in our state is retarded and not like it a bit,
but guess what, the Tenth Amendment and principles of Federalism mean
that states have a right to make individual decisions that you think are
dumb -- it's what the voters of the STATE think that counts. What
really matters is not imposing Federal one-size-fits-all solutions.

Excellent points - so some may think that Romney led like a bleeding heart lib, nay, socialist, in Massachusetts; why wouldn't he go the same way over the whole country.



Oh, looky, Romney, Perry, pot, kettle...

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at December 19, 2011 07:11 PM (7MFxV)

467 "Perry is your guy and that's great, but will you be voting for Romney
or Gingrich after they win the nod, because this is the real important
question. Support for Perry is understandable....just not realistic!"


It's not unrealistic at all. The guy is doing OK in the polls. He's just not leading at the moment. You know, the guy who wins usually isn't leading at this point in time anyway.
It's totally conceivable that Perry will pull it off. He's very good at the sort of politicking that remains at this point. Stumping and glad handing count for a lot in many of these states.

Anyway, your question underlines something very interesting. A lot of Romney's fans ask if people will be good enough to support Romney if he's the nominee, while also claiming Romney is already the most electable. Few of them claim they wouldn't support Perry if he's the nominee.
They understand that Romney has his own electability issue. He's gotta hold the GOP together somehow.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 07:12 PM (rQ/Ue)

468 I could support either Perry or Romney for president. I'm not thrilled with either, but they will be at least competent if not revolutionary.

I really like the idea of Newt for VP. He'd be a great rabid attack dog for the campaign, and after the election it will be easy to ignore his more whack a doodle ideas.

Posted by: Man Mountain Molehill at December 19, 2011 07:12 PM (YoqtH)

469 Posted by: Max Power at December 19, 2011 07:10 PM (q177U)
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Good to hear!

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 07:12 PM (zLeKL)

470 Barack Obama did not serve in the military. That is perhaps the most
understated sentence in the history of communications, but since people
are interested in drawing contrasts, consider that one.

I wonder if Obama even knew anyone who served in the military prior to being elected to the US Senate.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:13 PM (Gk3SS)

471 Cliff's Notes version: Ace supports Perry.
Ok, I'm good with this. I liked Cain, and I'll support and vote for Perry, Gingrich (or, previously Cain).
But, is Perry really electable? I want someone who has the best chance of beating JEF.His debate performances have improved,I think, but people remember ... and there isoccastional murmuringsabout"being from Texas" being a liability(the South + GB + GWB + "not-a-Harvard-man" + ... Johnson faced the first issue in '64). Reading thenot-quite-magnum-in-length opus thread topic, I see the arguments that Perry is competent and capable, and no worse than any of the others. But I'd like to see a short and clear roadmap of How Perry defeates JEF in November 2012. It's probably there, but not in one place.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:13 PM (QhtFZ)

472 I have gotten over my sand in the vagina moment

That's where pearls come from.

Posted by: At least that's my understanding at December 19, 2011 07:13 PM (8/DeP)

473 Perry quickly fell flat. He has a disturbing physical resemblance to Bush and a disturbing verbal resemblance as well. One of the most damaging things about Bush was his complete inability to articulate his positions and goals, so the media got to savage him with impunity, year after year. I'm afraid that Perry has demonstrated he'd be no different.
Posted by: Harold at December 19, 2011 07:03 PM (wmfzA)
Good point. Perry entered this campaign with a built-in drawback: he reminds people of the last President, the one they still blame for the lousy economy. His challenge was to demonstrate that he was a different breed of cat, much better than W in speaking intelligibly and providing a clear policy vision. He seemed to be on his way to meeting that challenge with his announcement speech.
Then he appeared at a debate and failed miserably.
Then he appeared at another debate and failed miserably.
Now he's got to dig himself out of the hole he's in, and his supporters better hope he understands he's got to dig sideways to make steps instead of digging further down (or trying to dig up and only catching air).

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:14 PM (Di3Im)

474 394
I don't know but I'm guessing you don't have reserved spot in a lake of fire in Hell like Jong-un has.


----


Well, I am and atheist, so...

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 06:53 PM (zLeKL)

You might want to reconsider, it's fucking hot down here, and Teddy breath is fucking awful.

Posted by: Christopher Hitchens at December 19, 2011 07:14 PM (hXJOG)

475 "Worry about the GE later? Really? "

Yes.

It's not like Newt, Perry, and Mitt all can't beat Obama. Don't drink the cool aid. 2012 is about Obama. The best we can do is offer someone with a proven record of leading better than Obama has, and Perry is the only guy who has that.

If you really think it's just a fact... enough that you can just tell people not to think about it until after the general election is over, that Perry can't beat Obama, you are not seeing this election the way I am.

Which isn't to say you're wrong, though that's my opinion.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (rQ/Ue)

476 @345: "333 Perry is a lousy campaigner.
Posted by: Random at December 19, 2011 06:37 PM (YiE0S)
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And Obama is an excellent campaigner.....
Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 06:41 PM (X6akg)
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You're both retarded!Neither one of them is from Campagna!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (jAqTK)

477 Throw Perry some cash when you can.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (qjUnn)

478 430 He is unmatched in terms of connecting to regular fokes. He is very likable.

So area puppies and kittens. But the real world is not campaign stops with the adoring choir. It's gotcha interviews and debates with unfriendly moderators and hard questions 24/7.

You've nailed it! The Perry campaign simply needs to flood YouTube with cute puppeh and kitteh videos. It can't fail!

I'm not joking. Nothing get's Facebook play like cute animal vids.

Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (aqGyU)

479 I love how people who swear they hate the MSM are ready and willing to accept the notion that Perry is dumb because he screwed up a couple answers in a couple debates CONTROLLED AND RUN BY THE MSM.

Oh, and he let that she-wolf Michelle Bachmann get under his skin. Bought and paid for by the Romney campaign, some of these people are STILL attacking Perry. I wonder why.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (Gc/Qi)

480 470
Barack Obama did not serve in the military. That is perhaps the most
understated sentence in the history of communications, but since people
are interested in drawing contrasts, consider that one.

I wonder if Obama even knew anyone who served in the military prior to being elected to the US Senate.


Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:13 PM (Gk3SS)
I guarantee Obama knew more terrorists than military members.

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 07:16 PM (DzX9o)

481 But, is Perry really electable? I want someone who has the best chance of beating JEF.His debate performances have improved,I think, but people remember ... and there isoccastional murmuringsabout"being from Texas" being a liability(the South + GB + GWB + "not-a-Harvard-man" + ... Johnson faced the first issue in '64). Reading thenot-quite-magnum-in-length opus thread topic, I see the arguments that Perry is competent and capable, and no worse than any of the others. But I'd like to see a short and clear roadmap of How Perry defeates JEF in November 2012. It's probably there, but not in one place.
Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:13 PM (QhtFZ)
The roadmap in the general election is pretty much what Ace laid out in his post. The challenge for Perry is creating a roadmap to the damn nomination.
Electable against Obama? Hell yeah. Electable against Romney or Gingrich? Remains well in doubt.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:16 PM (Di3Im)

482 Spot on analysis Ace.
I just made my first donation to Perry!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at December 19, 2011 07:17 PM (xeVap)

483 "The League" is fucking hilarious. That is all.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2011 07:17 PM (Qjh0I)

484 I guarantee Obama knew more terrorists than military members.

Oh I assumed that was a given.


I love how people who swear they hate the MSM are ready and willing to
accept the notion that Perry is dumb because he screwed up a couple
answers in a couple debates CONTROLLED AND RUN BY THE MSM.



I don't think Perry is dumb so much as Perry has moments of being inarticulate. There's a difference.


Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:18 PM (Gk3SS)

485 "Name one person in our history that was truly prepared for the US presidency."

Let's turn that around. Let's name some that weren't.

Barack Obama. Jimmy Carter.

And Perry could well become a good President, it's possible. He would be 1000 times better than Obama. But the point being made is that he can't win the demographics he needs to be elected. He won't win swing states. And the reason is he self destructed.

He has defined himself. As unprepared. It's not going away. Unfair? Maybe, but Perry had more than one chance, more than one debate, more than one interview. He didn't cut it. Howard Dean blew it in one scream. It's a tough game.




Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:18 PM (ukl9X)

486 Perry connects with real people, because he is real. He sold books door to door in college. You meet a lot of people and you learn to accept rejection.

I know, I did it six years for the same company and made a LOTS of money.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 19, 2011 07:18 PM (hXJOG)

487 Wow...

speechless-Ace has knocked it out of the park.

Posted by: tasker at December 19, 2011 07:18 PM (r2PLg)

488 I'm waiting to see who Ulsterman and the White House Insider endorse.

Posted by: Bevis Perdue at December 19, 2011 07:19 PM (hp2jB)

489 I have gotten over my sand in the vagina momment from Rick Perry's strong ad, and am now back to supporting him 100%. I hope those that have gone through similar roughpatches with him, will give him a second look.
Posted by: Max Power at December 19, 2011 07:10 PM (q177U)
Have your OB/GYN check to be sure. You don't want a tiny internal scratch turning into full-blown toxic shock.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:19 PM (Di3Im)

490 You had me at "For Rick Perry".

Newt is unfailingly erratic, burned bridges with just about every Congressional Republican who served during his being Speaker, he'll give us a helluva debate but then lead the party to it's most historic defeat since at least as far back as 1964, & his nomination cannot help but damage the undercard.

Romney is unfailingly unknowable, has made & burnt the bridges he's made again & again, he MIGHT be electable, & his nomination AT BEST does nothing to help the undercard.

Uncle Ron is ... nuts.

Perry stands for things, knows what he stands for, & we know what he stands for, & is the one candidate who when he says something (o.k., something coherent), says it plain, says it strong, & says it so everyone can understand it & that we can all depend on him doing that thing & JUST that thing.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 19, 2011 07:19 PM (vahvH)

491 I guarantee Obama knew more terrorists than military members.
Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 07:16 PM (DzX9o)

Word to your Moms!
Oops, did I say that out loud?

Posted by: President Dickbag O'Commiepants at December 19, 2011 07:19 PM (zSUIh)

492 There is still plenty of time for the candidates to rise and fall. Beating up on each other isn't going to convince anyone of anything except that you're an ass. ABO/ABRP people. Eye on the prize.

Posted by: Bosk at December 19, 2011 07:20 PM (n2K+4)

493 Bon Jovi dead at 49. Finally succumbed to AIDS from Samantha Fox.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at December 19, 2011 07:20 PM (fBMdj)

494 First of all, I challenge your central assertion: that Governor Perry somehow "created" jobs.
Ace can certainly speak for himself, but my takeaway wasn't that Perry created jobs so much as Perry led Texas while Texas created jobs.
Saying that "Perry created jobs" is lazy parlance -- imprecise but not altogether inaccurate.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 19, 2011 07:20 PM (/66q8)

495 Ace~

Well done. I just sent a contribution to his campaign. Thank you.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 19, 2011 07:21 PM (digkk)

496 Well then the independent school boards that oversee those should make those decisions, not government.
Right instinct.
Again, I mean, the idea that we have to be so politically correct that theres one family that says, Listen, I dont want my child, then that child ought to have the freedom can sit over there and play Tic Tac Toe or what have you.
OK, he is not Edgar Allen Poe.
That was kind of average at best, but no one can tell me you don't understand what he's saying. He's right, and right in a popular way 60-70% support way.
If there's one family that says, 'Listen, I don't want my child participating in relgious activities supported by all the other children's families, then that child ought to have the freedom to be excused, and have a moment of free time to himself, to play Tic Tac Toe or what have you.
What the hell kind of douche has a problem with that? That's what you would call sensible, reasonable and mature.
Lawyers and bureaucrats, and militant sects of religious atheists.That's who has a problem with that. This dude will pull conservative dems off Obama.
The liberals, they will mock, and hate, and laugh. SNL will have a field day with him. He will take it in good nature. And all those people watching will laugh at him for his mumbly sentances,but then they'll say, you know - he was right though.
That's called free press.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 07:21 PM (TLNYf)

497 What's next, bragging about an endorsement from "Queen of Hearts"?
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 07:09 PM (XdlcF)
Only the most intimate of insiders use that term.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:21 PM (Di3Im)

498 Samantha Fox needs love too.

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2011 07:22 PM (Fw2Gg)

499 Posted by: President Dickbag O'Commiepants at December 19, 2011 07:19 PM (zSUIh)

I love this sock.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 07:22 PM (qjUnn)

500 Bon Jovi dead at 49.
Hoax.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 19, 2011 07:22 PM (/66q8)

501 Perry created the climate that promoted businesses to hire.
Less regulation, tort reform and tax cuts.

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at December 19, 2011 07:23 PM (xeVap)

502 @399: "Don't like Romney? Keep thinking of Romney with a R congress vs. what we have now. Let's argue about the spoils after we get them. "

The spoils, in this case, being slamming into the cliff at Full Military Power instead of afterburner.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 19, 2011 07:23 PM (jAqTK)

503 Electable against Obama? Hell yeah. Electable against Romney or Gingrich? Remains well in doubt.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:16 PM (Di3Im)

Let's see. How many lead changes has there been since the primary season has started? And to think. Not one primary vote has been cast yet.Perry is still a very viable candidate. As much as any of the others. (Except RP and Huntsperson. They'retoast.)

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 07:23 PM (AB6pF)

504 A+, Ace. This is why I'm still voting for Perry.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at December 19, 2011 07:24 PM (fuw6p)

505 "It's not unrealistic at all. The guy is doing OK in the polls. He's
just not leading at the moment. You know, the guy who wins usually
isn't leading at this point in time anyway."

Hello? Rick Perry has like 7% nationally. 5% in SC. 2% in NH.

The bar is now so low for Perry that if he doesn't say something asinine each day and puts a sentence together in a debate he is exceeding expectations.

He is ahead of Huntsman? Doing well....

Posted by: tom at December 19, 2011 07:24 PM (ukl9X)

506 Texas has created one million jobs while America has lost two million plus in the last ten years.

In other words, Texas stole more than its fair share of jobs from the rest of the states. This should really be called the Perry Recession.

Trust me on this; I have a Nobel Prize, and you don't.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 19, 2011 07:25 PM (ErTq7)

507 Samantha Fox needs love too.
Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2011 07:22 PM (Fw2Gg)

Now there's a blast from the past.
I was more of a Debbie Gibson fan.
And no, I'm not gay.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:25 PM (zSUIh)

508 Only the most intimate of insiders use that term.
You mean me?

Posted by: Marco Rubio's garbage at December 19, 2011 07:26 PM (XdlcF)

509 The reports of my demise are premature.

Posted by: Bon Jovi at December 19, 2011 07:26 PM (phlKA)

510 Is this the first time Ace has made an endorsement?

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 07:27 PM (zLeKL)

511 Anyone got a time machine I can borrow?

I want to go back to March and whisper in Pawlenty's ear: "No matter what happens in the Iowa Straw Poll, don't drop out. Also, try snorting a little coke before the debates."

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 07:27 PM (SY2Kh)

512 Bon Jovi dead douchebag at 49.
Not a hoax.

Posted by: Bosk at December 19, 2011 07:28 PM (n2K+4)

513 Don't tell me: 'Bon Jovi rose from the dead.'

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 07:29 PM (DzX9o)

514 Hello? Rick Perry has like 7% nationally. 5% in SC. 2% in NH. The bar is now so low for Perry that if he doesn't say something asinine each day and puts a sentence together in a debate he is exceeding expectations. He is ahead of Huntsman? Doing well....
Has Tebow taught you nothing?
The first3/4s does not matter.
Score's still tied for electorates. Regulation time.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 07:29 PM (TLNYf)

515
I was more of a Debbie Gibson fan.

The greatest moment in SciFi movie history.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:29 PM (Gk3SS)

516 This is a very good article.
Thank you for posting this Ace, and for giving me something to think about.
I respect your thoughtful voice a lot, and so you've at least swayed me from "leaning towards Romney" to "mostly undecided". Thanks.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (s7mIC)

517 I'll go back and read the comments, but I wanted to get in before this reaches 1,000! I agree, Ace. I've been a Perry supporter since he first emerged on the scene. As for his mistakes in the debates? I am very political; read this and a wide assortment of political blogs every day, and those screw-ups mean very little to me--I'm thinking that the majority of my less political-minded friends don't even know what he said or when.

Posted by: Cowboy at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (dk36f)

518 Bon Jovi dead last good song at 29.

Also not a hoax.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (EVsi9)

519 What about DiT and Russ "Corn Likker" from Winterset? Are they on board?

Posted by: Alamo at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (wQmDt)

520 Tom, I didn't say he was winning the polls. He is doing OK.

He's got 54% of voters saying they will consider him. That's the best of any of the candidates.

He's got a fighting chance.

"

The bar is now so low for Perry that if he doesn't say something
asinine each day and puts a sentence together in a debate he is
exceeding expectations."

Oh, you're one of the crazies. Never mind. Go back to foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (rQ/Ue)

521 I proclaim thisthe Summer of George!

Posted by: George Costanza at December 19, 2011 07:31 PM (KjdW9)

522 "In other words, Texas stole more than its fair share of jobs
from the rest of the states. This should really be called the Perry
Recession."

This is very good. I hope it becomes a meme.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 07:32 PM (rQ/Ue)

523 Bon Jovi dead last good song at 29.Also not a hoax.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 07:30 PM (EVsi9)

Bon Jovi sucks.
I heard Diamond Dave is getting back together with Van Halen!

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:32 PM (zSUIh)

524 522
I proclaim thisthe Summer of George!

Posted by: George Costanza at December 19, 2011 07:31 PM (KjdW9)
Ha...someone else is watching Seinfeld.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 07:32 PM (X6akg)

525 Great post, Ace. It's nice to see someone make the case for Perry so well. I tend to think his early problems may have made him a better candidate...I certainly think the way he has handled himself subsequently is to his credit.

Posted by: TH at December 19, 2011 07:33 PM (LIZRu)

526 I get better

Posted by: Jon Bon Jovi at December 19, 2011 07:33 PM (jucos)

527 @485: "He has defined himself. As unprepared. It's not going away. Unfair? Maybe, but Perry had more than one chance, more than one debate, more than one interview. He didn't cut it. Howard Dean blew it in one scream. It's a tough game. "
Tell me about it. I banged a hot blonde on a boat - a success by any definition - and it cost me everything.

Posted by: Gary Hart at December 19, 2011 07:34 PM (jAqTK)

528 Which is probably why the Atlantic has a column saying that all the jobs in TX were government jobs created by the stimulus.... and they'll go away now.

Oh, and I realize morons can't deal with HTML... but those of us who can are tired of catering to your kickbacks from tinyurl.

Posted by: SDN at December 19, 2011 07:34 PM (NTrIC)

529 It is true that Gingrich can go toe-to-toe with Obama on policy wonkery;

A wet turd could go toe-to-toe with BHO on policy wonkery. A parakeet could make intellectual minced meat of Barry Soetoro.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 07:34 PM (X3lox)

530 Palin polling numbers at single digits = unelectable!
Perry at single digits = our best chance!

Posted by: Derka Derka at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (NizFd)

531 You've nailed it! The Perry campaign simply needs to flood YouTube with cute puppeh and kitteh videos. It can't fail!



I'm not joking. Nothing get's Facebook play like cute animal vids.

Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 19, 2011 07:15 PM (aqGyU)

Perry's twitter avatar is a start. How's this for puppeh cuteness?

Posted by: stace at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (lYlx9)

532 WTF they're making a Clash of the Titans sequel.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (GULKT)

533 Ha...someone else is watching Seinfeld.
Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 07:32 PM (X6akg)

Damn! I'm missing it!
Classic episode!

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (zSUIh)

534
Great collection of "concerned voters", regular trolls and Axelturfers. Something for everyone here.

It's easy to tell the bonafide posters, though.

My vote goes to Perry, always has. Since my primary candidate chose not to run, he's by far the one whose policies and stances most closely align with mine. Win, lose or draw.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 19, 2011 07:36 PM (SAMxH)

535 481 The roadmap in the general election is pretty much what Ace laid out in his post. The challenge for Perry is creating a roadmap to the damn nomination.
Electable against Obama? Hell yeah. Electable against Romney or Gingrich? Remains well in doubt.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:16 PM (Di3Im)
Yes, it's there, but in several places. I realized that I should go back and excerpt the parts I think are the roadmap (all excerpts are from Ace's original post, with reformatting, and my comments in italics):
1. Rick Perry married his grade school sweetheart ... never been divorced ...no rocky patches in his relationship. Those who discount the importance of that, especially to women voters, are making an error, I think.
2. After doing poorly in college, Rick Perry joined the actual active-duty Air Force. He is, then, a veteran, if not a combat veteran. Barack Obama did not serve in the military. And we still don't know how JEF did in college ... why?
3. Perry has served as governor there for 11 years (and for two years before that, as lieutenant governor). If he can't perform the duties of Chief Executive, then how is it that he has, in fact and as a matter of record, been successfully performing the duties of Chief Executive?
4. Rick Perry can say, "My policy is to have a low tax burden on wealth-creators and a fair and predictable regulatory scheme which does not seek to pick winners and losers, and here is how that has worked out in Texas." Not theoretical. Not hypothetical. This is what actually happened. And it has worked out very much better than any and all of the policies of JEF and the Democrats
If this is the roadmap, or at least a major part, then I have renewed confidence.
Now to deal with the 52% ...

Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:36 PM (QhtFZ)

536 Let's see. How many lead changes has there been since the primary season has started? And to think. Not one primary vote has been cast yet.Perry is still a very viable candidate. As much as any of the others. (Except RP and Huntsperson. They'retoast.)
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 07:23 PM (AB6pF)
Again, Perry's ability to beat Romney and Gingrich to win the nomination remains well in doubt -- not out of the question, but certainly less than 50-50 at this moment in time. He trails "toasted" Ron Paul in the polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolinaand nationally, so it's certainly accurate to say that his ability to win the nomination is currently well in doubt.
The other lead changes, remember, were fresh faces who rose, got known, took flak, and fell. Perry has already had his moment at the top, so it's not a simple matter of getting known but of reshaping the voters' perceptions.
Since Huntsman hasn't actually had his time at the top, it could well happen that he gets some kind of weird-ass surge in the next couple of weeks, but I doubt he can sustain it: he is an off-putting character.
Could Perry make a comeback in time for the Iowa caucus and/or the NH and SC primaries? Maybe. I would not be willing to bet that way, though, unless I got really good odds.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (Di3Im)

537 WTF they're making a Clash of the Titans sequel.

Yup, Wrath of the Titans, supposed to be out in March.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (Gk3SS)

538 The greatest moment in SciFi movie history.
It's sad that I know what that is without even clicking it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (XdlcF)

539 the Atlantic has a column saying that all the jobs in TX were government jobs created by the stimulus

Obama 2012: You're welcome, Texas!

Posted by: sandy burger at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (ErTq7)

540 WTF they're making a Clash of the Titans sequel.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (GULKT)
There's so much more Greek mythology to mangle, and with such boring, self-absorbed actors chewing up the scenery in the process! It's a win-win.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (X3lox)

541 I haven't read the past 500+ comments, only skimmed through the top 150 or so. So apologies if these have already been addressed.

Here are my lingering doubts about Perry:
1. That he won't be an articulate spokesman for conservatism, instead he will rely too much on down-home folksiness (which IMO doesn't get very far out of the South and rural areas, and even then, can be irritating if overused)
2. That he really doesn't deserve much direct credit for what happened in Texas. Can someone point specifically to something that Perry specifically did that caused economic conditions to get better in Texas?
3. Yes, that he will be compared way too much to Bush
4. His political impulse to campaign in Iowa by gay-baiting - that was indeed shameful, he'd better not do any more of that.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 07:38 PM (s7mIC)

542 WTF they're making a Clash of the Titans sequel.
Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (GULKT)

Now there's a big fucking surprise. Hollywood is out of ideas so they have to go back and ruin a classic.
Assholes.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:38 PM (zSUIh)

543 It's sad that I know what that is without even clicking it.

Yeah, I'm subtle like that.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:39 PM (Gk3SS)

544 If this is the roadmap, or at least a major part, then I have renewed confidence.
Now to deal with the 52% ...
Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:36 PM (QhtFZ)
Yup. I can see that roadmap working great. But before you start working on the 52%, you need to work on winning over the people who will select the GOP nominee. Because, you see, that general election roadmap is only so much toilet paper if Perry doesn't win the nomination.
So, what's the roadmap for Perry to become the nominee?

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:39 PM (Di3Im)

545 If we're going to waste our time on someone who isn't going to win, how about Santorum? Unlike Perry, he isn't an opportunistic corrupt Bush clone and actually understands and articulates conservatism.

Posted by: Chris at December 19, 2011 07:40 PM (XGZYX)

546 I get better. Jon Bon Jovi at December 19, 2011 07:33 PM (jucos)


If you call 'splodin' all over my launch pad better, no. You never got better.

Posted by: Heather Locklear at December 19, 2011 07:41 PM (phlKA)

547 COOL. Im way down here at 500 something so I know Ill get lots of attention to my lowely opinion. Wish I had one. Oh, what the fuck, I liked Perry way back when so I know he wont make it. Karma hates my ass.

Posted by: Rich K at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (X4l3T)

548 At this point I'll take whatever we're stuck with. But I won't say a Perry nomination isn't getting stuck with a lacking candidate just as much as any of the other lacking candidates.

Posted by: SarahW at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (LYwCh)

549 The greatest moment in SciFi movie history.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:29 PM (Gk3SS)

Thank you.
Thank you for that.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (zSUIh)

550 At this point I'll take whatever we're stuck with. But I won't say a Perry nomination isn't getting stuck with a lacking candidate just as much as any of the other lacking candidates.

Posted by: SarahW at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (LYwCh)

551 Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2011 07:32 PM (X6akg

I know every line and it's still fucking funny.

Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (KjdW9)

552 I'm supporting Perry because his resume is the best for the job, and don't feel he's been dishonest with the public about past positions like Gingrich or Romney. Regarding his debate performances, those have improved to the point he is comparable to any of them except Gingrich.

My #2 pick is Romney as I think he is best situated to best Obama, if polls are accurate. I'll support anyone with an R next to their name to get rid of Obama, excepting Paul.

Posted by: waelse1 at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (1M81x)

553 The jobs angle is certainly very strong, but much of the country doesn't want more Texas leadership.Perry would be painted as GWB the 2nd and it would stick. He would be a disaster.
Posted by: mashed potatoes at December 19, 2011 07:38 PM (hKi42)
Speaking of Clash of the Titans: most of the country doesn't want more Obama (pseudo)leadership. Pitting anti-Obama sentiment against anti-Texas governor sentiment, I believe that Perry turfs Obama out of office just on the strength of "he can't possibly be any worse."

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (Di3Im)

554 WTF they're making a Clash of the Titans sequel.

Release The Suckitude!

Posted by: Clash of the Tittans II: More Clashing at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (s7mIC)

555 oops, that should be "Titans", not "Tittans"
perhaps that was a freudian slip

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (s7mIC)

556 At this point I'll take whatever we're stuck with. But I won't say a Perry nomination isn't getting stuck with a lacking candidate just as much as any of the other lacking candidates.

I tend to agree with mashed potatoes up there at 544. Perry also can't talk and that's a handicap.

Posted by: SarahW at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (LYwCh)

557 For those posting that Perry is not a good campaigner, you haven't seen him on the stump and/or give speeches. All you've seen is a debate or two and that is not campaigning. The guy is great on the stump, will try to meet as many folks in a crowd as possible and comes across as genuine and likable even to those who disagree politically w/ him. And he is really able to lay out core conservative values and ideals while he is campaigning. I wish he were better on the the debate stage too but don't confuse that scene w/ actual campaigning.

Posted by: Old Coach at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (qhDb6)

558 So, what's the roadmap for Perry to become the nominee?

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:39 PM (Di3Im)

I would think coming in the top 2 or 3 in Iowa.. who cares about NH. Win SC and Florida...

I hope Perry can hold on.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (qjUnn)

559 Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:42 PM (zSUIh)

Caring. Giver.

Also, I have to throw a flag - Bon Jovi wasn't married to Locklear, Richie Sambora was.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (Gk3SS)

560 So, what's the roadmap for Perry to become the nominee?
1. The people telling pollsters they are voting for Paul admit they were just kidding.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (XdlcF)

561 So, what's the roadmap for Perry to become the nominee?
Only fragments of ideas here:
- Push his experience as Governor. The others have none, and we see what inexperiencecauses
- Push his success in creating jobs. He's done it, the others have not, and most people like being employed

Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (QhtFZ)

562 Good writeup, Ace. Good call, too.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (2Oas0)

563 371 I know of one prominent Republican that DID spend years in the private sector, and turned around hundreds of companies and created amazing stores like Staples.

In the process, putting tens of thousands of 'Mom and Pop' Main Street stationary stores out of business for good.

Or for bad.
Posted by: Fact Czecher at December 19, 2011 06:47 PM (phlKA)

Like you would really prefer to shop at the Mom & Pop very expensive, badly stocked stores from c. 1950??

Please.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:44 PM (niZvt)

564 Im way down here at 500 something so I know Ill get lots of attention
to my lowely opinion. Wish I had one. Oh, what the fuck, I liked Perry
way back when so I know he wont make it. Karma hates my ass.

Bravo. Well said.

*applause*

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 07:44 PM (QKKT0)

565 Glad to see you're sticking with Perry, Ace, was worried you were waivering a bit there. I don't love the Rickster, but I'm resolved to stick with him until the bitter end. As you put it, Perry has the best conservative instincts out of all the candidates. That's what I'm looking for in a president.

I also think Perry's numbers are better than they look. He's a top second choice among the flavor of the month crowd; I say that seeing those recent Iowa polls and through several anecdotal experiences of my own.

Here's hoping for a Tebow Christmas miracle!

Posted by: mugiwara at December 19, 2011 07:44 PM (KI/Ch)

566 At this stage in the election cycle, I'm supporting a catastrophic asteroid strike.

My dread of Christmas shopping may be a factor.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 07:45 PM (SY2Kh)

567 At this stage in the election cycle, I'm supporting a catastrophic asteroid strike.

Don't give gift cards.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 07:45 PM (QKKT0)

568 I respect your thoughtful voice a lot, and so you've at least swayed me from "leaning towards Romney" to "mostly undecided".

And you call yourself a chemist. You're nothing to me now.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 07:46 PM (6TB1Z)

569 I'm female and you're still a nasty little titweasel.
Posted by: mpfs, Comet the Reindeer is a Perry Supporter!! at December 19, 2011 06:55 PM (iYbLN)

I don't know what titweasel is, mpfs, but you sure do make it sound sexy!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:47 PM (niZvt)

570 557 oops, that should be "Titans", not "Tittans"perhaps that was a freudian slip
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (s7mIC)
I'd want to see Clash of the Tit Tans.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2011 07:47 PM (GULKT)

571 Could Perry make a comeback in time for the Iowa caucus and/or the NH and SC primaries? Maybe. I would not be willing to bet that way, though, unless I got really good odds.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:37 PM (Di3Im)

I will not be considering odds until after the actual primary voting begins. I really don't see how anyone puts that much trust in just thepolls until then. The American voter has a way of surprising even the most learned of political analysts.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 07:47 PM (AB6pF)

572 What about Ron Paul, for Iowa's fucking sake? Would it be too much of a paradigm shift to go from Barry Obama to Ron Paul?

Posted by: Fritz hitting the crack pipe at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (FabC8)

573 557 oops, that should be "Titans", not "Tittans"
perhaps that was a freudian slip
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (s7mIC)

Clash of the Tittans was made favorite movie!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (niZvt)

574 Rick Perry already failed.

The campaign is a test in and of itself. He was unprepared, which illuminated his arrogance and rashness. He has underestimated his opponents, been unable to connect with non-Southern voters, and fumbled interviews and debates badly.

All this rebooting cant hide the fact he already failed. I dont want a failure leading the country.

Posted by: Winning at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (ozpOn)

575 I'd want to see Clash of the Tit Tans.

I'm fairly certain Skinemax can provide that.

I am interested to hear from the political number wonks to hear what Perry's roadmap to the nom would be.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (Gk3SS)

576 A thread turned into a big nasty fight and neither myself or Jeff B were instigators?

What has AoSHQ come to?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (SY2Kh)

577 Only fragments of ideas here:
- Push his experience as Governor. The others have none, and we see what inexperiencecauses
- Push his success in creating jobs. He's done it, the others have not, and most people like being employed
Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (QhtFZ)
Romney, Huntsman and Johnson were all governors. Of course, Johnson seems to have flipped to the Libertarian Party, so he doesn't count (and never did).
Romney and Huntsman both also like to claim job creation experience.
So your fragments work against Gingrich -- but Newt's pushback is of course that he knows Washington better and has experience in governing as the chief member of Congress during a critical time of prosperity.
I hope Perry has people fleshing out his plan to come back and win the nomination. What he's doing right now doesn't seem to be working fast enough to save him.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:49 PM (Di3Im)

578 So who star in Clash of the Tittans?

Christine Hendricks and Hannah Minx??

In Sensurround?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:49 PM (niZvt)

579 556
WTF they're making a Cash of the Titans sequel.Release The Suckitude!

Stop, you're kraken me up!

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 07:49 PM (6TB1Z)

580 I need the SF defense to get me 24 points to make it to the Finals. They've met that mark twice out of 14 previous weeks. I'm alive.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2011 07:50 PM (Qjh0I)

581 Also, I have to throw a flag - Bon Jovi wasn't married to Locklear, Richie Sambora was.

My mom told me she was on a date with him and he passed out face first into a plate of spaghetti the night I was conceived.

Posted by: Chaz Bono at December 19, 2011 07:50 PM (phlKA)

582 Hi Rick Perry's son!!!

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 07:51 PM (5H6zj)

583 The press will roast him for his sweetheart deals with campaign givers. They trial ran the idea about two months, started getting some traction with the public, and pulled the stories lest the theme too quickly run stale. Noooo, it's ready to go, bursting at the seems with now well researched Texas sourced first hand accounts and they will nail him to the wall. Just guessing.

Posted by: MTF at December 19, 2011 07:52 PM (nUuaB)

584 Clash of the Tittans was made favorite movie!

That starred Tittan Natividad, didn't it? http://tinyurl.com/6ltjsej

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 07:52 PM (QKKT0)

585 Ladies, there is a link with a picture on Hot Air that simply requires comment.
Cause I'm a giver, that's why.
Barney Frank Wears Revealing Shirt On House Floor


Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (6TB1Z)

586 I watched Perry in the debate talk and say nothing. Texas can create jobs because it has a state government that's not trying to kill them....a retard could create jobs in Texas....and he did.

Posted by: torabora at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (MQuwJ)

587 516
The greatest moment in SciFi movie history.

Just... words cannot describe

Posted by: Zimriel at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (6GvAC)

588 I think only Ron Paul would be a weaker candidate against Obama than Perry. And beating Obama is the #1 reason why you should support one of these candidates.

Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (u2x4P)

589 Great job ace. Had a feeling you've had this written for a few weeks now and were waiting for Gingrich to slip before posting.

Posted by: pashmr10 at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (/p0P7)

590 Just... words cannot describe
Posted by: Zimriel at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (6GvAC)

I know, right?

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (zSUIh)

591 Rick Perry already failed. The campaign is a test in and of itself. He was unprepared, which illuminated his arrogance and rashness. He has underestimated his opponents, been unable to connect with non-Southern voters, and fumbled interviews and debates badly. All this rebooting cant hide the fact he already failed. I dont want a failure leading the country.
Posted by: Winning at December 19, 2011 07:48 PM (ozpOn)
Rick Perry is in the process of failing. That doesn't mean he will fail, it just means he has to turn his campaign around.
(BTW, what's all this with not connecting with non-Southern voters? He's way, waybehind in South Carolina and Florida, so he's perfectly able to not connect with Southern voters too.)
If he can indeed turn it around and win some of the early caucuses and primaries, then by definition he won't be a failure or loser. IF.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Di3Im)

592 Perry would have a stronger case if more of those jobs had gone to American citizens, but the fact is that for the most part they didn't. He provided jobs for immigrants - legal and otherwise. Sorry, no sale.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Cvvzd)

593 589 516 The greatest moment in SciFi movie history.

Just... words cannot describe
Posted by: Zimriel at December 19, 2011 07:53 PM (6GvAC)

At times, it sure did look like they released their krakens...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (niZvt)

594 Barney Frank Wears Revealing Shirt On House Floor

I threw up all over the floor a little.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Gk3SS)

595 I am interested to hear from the political number wonks to hear what Perry's roadmap to the nom would be.

I a fan of the steel cage death-match.

Posted by: Alex at December 19, 2011 07:55 PM (+1TUS)

596 Barney Frank Wears Revealing Shirt On House Floor

It screams "Lemon Party."

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 19, 2011 07:55 PM (QKKT0)

597 If he can indeed turn it around and win some of the early caucuses and primaries, then by definition he won't be a failure or loser. IF.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Di3Im)

I think what happened to Perry underscores Chris Christie's wisdom in not jumping into the race half-assed prepared.

Perry is proof that on the national stage, you simply can't just make it up as you go along (well, unless you're a radical black nationalist socialist the MSM loves, but that is another matter). You simply HAVE to know the issues, cold - or you look stupid.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:56 PM (niZvt)

598 @586: "That starred Tittan Natividad, didn't it?"
Nice tits, sure,but a face I wouldn't wipe my feet on.

Posted by: Mean Gene Okerlund at December 19, 2011 07:58 PM (jAqTK)

599 I a fan of the steel cage death-match.

Newsletter, please.

You simply HAVE to know the issues, cold - or you look stupid.

Oh, I don't know, Newt knows the issues cold and he still manages to look stupid.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:59 PM (Gk3SS)

600 Ron Paul hates Christians and Jews.

Posted by: Seth at December 19, 2011 07:59 PM (DzX9o)

601 I love the endorsement post. Thanks. As Rush said today it's mainly the left GOP establishment that are pushing the idea that true conservatives are dumb. He specifically mentioned Perry and Bachmann being portrayed that way. Perry has given them some ammunition, but he is a smart man.
Rush said this a few days ago: "The [Republican establishment] believe what the inside the Beltway philosophy is about conservatism: they're racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe, Southern hayseed hicks. They're pro-lifers. They're embarrassing to have to go to conventions with them."

Posted by: Davidd at December 19, 2011 07:59 PM (FGq5b)

602 2000
Bush won the Iowa caucus with 41% of the vote.
McCain won a 49%30% victory over Bush in NH
Bush soundly defeated McCain in SC
McCain won Michigan and Arizona

Super Tuesday:

Bush won New York, Ohio, Georgia, Missouri, California, Maryland, and Maine. McCain won Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, but dropped out of the race. On March 10, Alan Keyes got 21% of the vote in Utah. Bush took the majority of the remaining contests and won the Republican nomination on March 14, winning his home state of Texas and his brother Jeb's home state of Florida


Can Perry follow this pattern? I hope so.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 19, 2011 07:59 PM (qjUnn)

603 Barney Frank Wears Revealing Shirt On House FloorI threw up all over the floor a little.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Gk3SS)
According to FB sources, Barney pulled a ligament in his thumb after getting it stuck in "something" and was unable to dress himself properly. Fuh realz.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:00 PM (zSUIh)

604 For those posting that Perry is not a good campaigner, you haven't seen him on the stump and/or give speeches. All you've seen is a debate or two and that is not campaigning. The guy is great on the stump, will try to meet as many folks in a crowd as possible and comes across as genuine and likable even to those who disagree politically w/ him. And he is really able to lay out core conservative values and ideals while he is campaigning. I wish he were better on the the debate stage too but don't confuse that scene w/ actual campaigning.
Posted by: Old Coach at December 19, 2011 07:43 PM (qhDb6)
Well, he better get going on that whistle-stop tour! He's got to get in front of about 50 million Republican primary voters, and he's way behind. Not to mention that Amtrak doesn't go nearly as many places as the passenger railroads used to.
I think in the age of electronic communications, the televised debate counts for more than stump speeches except in the specific case of early campaigning in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. How much time has Perry spent in those three states again?

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:01 PM (Di3Im)

605 In other words, Texas stole more than its fair share of jobs from the rest of the states. This should really be called the Perry Recession."
......
Yes.
And if you elect him President, he will steal you all new jobs from Mexico and Norway.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 08:01 PM (TLNYf)

606 According to FB sources, Barney pulled a ligament in his thumb after
getting it stuck in "something" and was unable to dress himself
properly. Fuh realz.

Why, why did you do that to me when I gave you nice things?

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 08:01 PM (Gk3SS)

607 Those saying Texas's jobs went mostly to immigrants should check out how many immigrants Texas has had in the past few years, and how many jobs have been created, and then admit they are idiots making crap up.

Posted by: Dustin at December 19, 2011 08:02 PM (rQ/Ue)

608 That was the greatest piece of analytically inspired political prose put out to the interwebs in a very long time! Vote Smart....Great Job ACE.

Posted by: ph2ll at December 19, 2011 08:03 PM (t8Z6H)

609 Ever play "finger puppet"?

Posted by: Bawney Frank at December 19, 2011 08:04 PM (QKKT0)

610 Perry would have a stronger case if more of those jobs had gone to American citizens, but the fact is that for the most part they didn't. He provided jobs for immigrants - legal and otherwise. Sorry, no sale.

That meme was debunked. It was based on a very flawed analysis by an anti-illegal immigration group who failed to appreciate the difference between correlation and causation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:04 PM (SY2Kh)

611 For those posting that Perry is not a good campaigner, you haven't seen him on the stump and/or give speeches. All you've seen is a debate or two and that is not campaigning. The guy is great on the stump, will try to meet as many folks in a crowd as possible and comes across as genuine and likable even to those who disagree politically w/ him. And he is really able to lay out core conservative values and ideals while he is campaigning. I wish he were better on the the debate stage too but don't confuse that scene w/ actual campaigning.
He can also be very good in interviews. He's been getting better in these debates but I think he'd have an even easier time of it if there weren't 6 people on stage. He's much better 1 on 1.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 08:04 PM (TLNYf)

612 Why, why did you do that to me when I gave you nice things?
Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 08:01 PM (Gk3SS)

Oops.
sorry

care for some brain bleach?

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:04 PM (zSUIh)

613
The Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are based out of Dallas now.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at December 19, 2011 08:05 PM (lpWVn)

614 There would have been even more jobs in Texas if it weren't for Obama's failed economic policies.

Posted by: Seth, writing a talking point at December 19, 2011 08:05 PM (DzX9o)

615 Perry is proof that on the national stage, you simply can't just make it up as you go along (well, unless you're a radical black nationalist socialist the MSM loves, but that is another matter). You simply HAVE to know the issues, cold - or you look stupid.
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 07:56 PM (niZvt)

The first primary is almost a whole month away. A lot can happen, as we've seen in just the last month. These experienced, issue-informednational figures, as you've coined them, could end up outsmarting themselves.We're already seeing that.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 08:05 PM (AB6pF)

616 Why support Perry?

Perry could wear a tuxedo and pretend to be James Bond. (Just no talking, please.)

Bachman could be his Bond girl.

Frankly, this round, that is good enough.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:05 PM (R1+VK)

617
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 07:49 PM (Di3Im) :
Romney, Huntsman and Johnson were all governors.
Romney invented RomneyCare; he won't disavow it.Take federal dollars away from Mass.; could/would RomneyCare ever have happened? How long can RomneyCare last without federal support of Mass.?
Romney and Huntsman both also like to claim job creation experience.
What are their job creation records? Everyone likes to claim job creation, butthere is frequently a lot of spin needed.Taxes and the Cost of Living in Mass.are high ... and I can't recall anything about Huntsman. I could lookstuff up, but that's an indicator ... what are Huntsman'ssuccesses, and under what conditions? Perry has been successful oer the last few years, inspite of JEF, Fwank, Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, ...
So your fragments work against Gingrich -- but Newt's pushback is of course that he knows Washington better and has experience in governing as the chief member of Congress during a critical time of prosperity.
I like Gingrich, and I'll support and vote for him ... but G. has issues, and has electability problems of his own. Being Speaker of the House is quite valuable, but the skill setand job requirements arenot the same as Governor, or President.
I hope Perry has people fleshing out his plan to come back and win the nomination. What he's doing right now doesn't seem to be working fast enough to save him.
... hence my my original post. I listed "a" way, but a better way or two would be appreciated ... and, even though my confidence is renewed,I have only 1 vote. The "electability" question still stands.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 08:05 PM (QhtFZ)

618 Palin polling numbers at single digits = unelectable!Perry at single digits = our best chance!
Posted by: Derka Derka at December 19, 2011 07:35 PM (NizFd)
Welcome to the world of Quantum Politics.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:06 PM (Di3Im)

619 It doesn't matter now, chill out. Plenty of time for Obama to fuck up some more.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan at December 19, 2011 08:07 PM (hXJOG)

620 care for some brain bleach?
Try the link in my name instead.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2011 08:07 PM (XdlcF)

621 And you call yourself a chemist. You're nothing to me now.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 07:46 PM (6TB1Z)

pep, I'm not totally sold on Perry. I do think there are a few lingering doubts as I outlined above. Perry was always my #2 guy anyway (there is no f'in way I will ever vote for Newt), so whereas before it was something like 70-30 Romney/Perry now it is more like 55/45.Ace is right, Romney's personal narrative isn't as attractive as Perry's, and that does seem to sway a lot of people.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:07 PM (s7mIC)

622 596 Barney Frank Wears Revealing Shirt On House Floor

I threw up all over the floor a little.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Gk3SS)

What, fat aged hairy moobs don't turn you on??

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 08:07 PM (niZvt)

623 I too am a Perry supporter, gaffes and all. He has a record that is out there for all to see. He loves the USA and does not think the government knows better the individual. He has a moral compass that keeps him grounded and he can laugh at himself. Plus I knew that there was no way with his recent back surgery when he jumped in the race that he could not be at the top of his game. I had similar surgery myself and know the time it takes to get back at full swing. Come on Perry supportersget on all the websites and educate others and talk to anybody you know in Iowa about supporting someone with a proven record of leading. Thanks Ace for a well done post.

Posted by: independent thinker at December 19, 2011 08:07 PM (+oksp)

624 care for some brain bleach?

You mean like this?


Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 08:08 PM (Gk3SS)

625 As Rush said today it's mainly the left GOP establishment that are pushing the idea that true conservatives are dumb.

Or, you could, you know, think for yourself.

Rush said this a few days ago: "The [Republican establishment] believe
what the inside the Beltway philosophy is about conservatism: they're
racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe, Southern hayseed hicks. They're
pro-lifers. They're embarrassing to have to go to conventions with
them."

Well?

Posted by: pep, effete Romneyite at December 19, 2011 08:09 PM (6TB1Z)

626 Meanwhile, I hate to say it, but Newt seems set on proving Joe Scarborough right:

The Man simply HATES being in a winning position.

What's with this crap about arresting federal judges because you don't like their decisions?

Yes, yes, I totally agree the whole commerce clause thing has destroyed any semblance of checks and balance on the federal judiciary, but come on... is there a faster way to look like a nut than how Newt is doing it??

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 08:09 PM (niZvt)

627 You mean like this?


Well I was thinking more like this.

(NSFW-ish)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:10 PM (s7mIC)

628

ChadPergram

House GOPers starting to
leave conference. Expecting Boehner, et al shortly on payroll tax.
Source in rm says House going home tomorrow.



Posted by: M80B at December 19, 2011 08:10 PM (d6QMz)

629 You mean like this?

Not like that. That exactly.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 08:11 PM (6TB1Z)

630 #629 chemjeff for the win.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (QhtFZ)

631 Is anyone hearing about this major stink NYT is making regarding Romney making big dough as a result of big layoffs?

I could see Perry using that to his advantage: "While Romney was responsible for people being laid off, I was helping to create jobs." BURN

Oh, but Romney is the most electable. Right.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (I9BjY)

632 We've been working seven twelves since last April at my prototype shop.
My withholding for the year is over twenty grand this last check.
We're in the Austin Metro.
When there are machinist jobs in the want ads...
that's the number one indicator the economy is solid.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (lpWVn)

633 606 stuiec: Sadly, you are right about the electronic media and in this case you must be referring to debates. I'm not a Perry staffer just a TX citizen so I am not privy to his schedule but from what I'm reading, he is all over Iowa w/ some quick hops to SC. My guess is that he will concede NH and hit SC and FL pretty hard once IA votes are cast. Easier for me to have a better impression of him than most folks since I live in his state and have seen him on the campaign trail.

Posted by: Old Coach at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (qhDb6)

634
This thread is deader than a Perry campaign appearance.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (JYheX)

635 @629
I stand corrected.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (6TB1Z)

636 The wife and I are MOVING today, and Ace drops this now? Killing me that I can't see the thread unfold. I apologize in advance for posting and running, but here you go...

This will sound like I'm sucking up to Ace, but I'm not because I posted this a few nights ago late: Perry is the one who scares me the most. Why?

Romney is a true believer in the free market, a solid family man, a properly driven alpha male, and a lousy candidate who doesn't connect with ordinary Americans. I watched him with Chris Wallace on Sunday. Even when he's trying to be warm, he's somehow cold. Combine that with the base's ambivalence towards him, and it's just not going to work IMHO. He'd be a great Commerce Secretary. As much as I tend to agree with some of Jeff B's takes around here, this time I don't. Obama would beat him.

Gingrich? I actually think he has more staying power in the primary than some might think, but in the general, I'm not worried at all, for reasons very well elucidated by others. He's just not disciplined enough, and some SoCons will be too mortified to do anything for him.

The others...Paul? Bachmann? Santorum? In the long run? Come on.

Perry has the best jobs record, the most executive experience, a real relationship with the SoCon wing of the party, enough outsider cred to be a "not Washington" guy but enough inside connections to get the party establishment onboard if he catches fire, he served in the military...*culturally*, he's the strongest contrast with Obama. And when the GOP is not invested culturally in their candidate, they tend to lose (McCain, Dole, Bush Sr). When they are, look out.

Even his lackluster (ahem) debating skills won't matter as much going forward. In a months-long air war against Obama, he only has to survive 2 or 3 appearances against him in person. His ads and Rove's GPS Crossroads and other SuperPACs will be doing the real fighting on his behalf.

The one big catch is the "W" factor. I think it's huge. Having bad debates isn't a killer on a standalone basis - it's a killer because it reminds conservatives of W at his inarticulate worst, and that's why he might not escape the primary. To be totally honest, I really hope he doesn't.

That all said, I think Romney will still take the nomination. That's just how the GOP does it. As they say in some southern parts, those ain't *my* rules, they're just *the* rules.

I'll read and catch up later, maybe ONT...

Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (khw5i)

637 Female metal vocalists

Posted by: Zimriel at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (6GvAC)

638 Well I was thinking more like this.(NSFW-ish)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:10 PM (s7mIC)

Ah man. Brings back fondmemories of Germany in the 70's.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 08:13 PM (AB6pF)

639 Imagine Rachel Heyser versus Debbie Gibson

Posted by: Zimriel at December 19, 2011 08:13 PM (6GvAC)

640 Perry's only chance is to hang in there as Number 3, let Number 1 dispose of Number 2, and then crawl his way past Number 1 to get the nom.

It is a long shot, and he has only himself to blame for his predicament.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:14 PM (R1+VK)

641 Wow, Barney's fun nightmare bags are larger than Christina Hendricks's. And obviously not in a good way.

Has anyone ever explained his speech impediment? (Too lazy to do the research myself.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 19, 2011 08:14 PM (21lBC)

642
594
Perry would have a stronger case if more of those jobs had gone to
American citizens, but the fact is that for the most part they didn't.
He provided jobs for immigrants - legal and otherwise. Sorry, no sale.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 19, 2011 07:54 PM (Cvvzd)
MYTH.
http://tinyurl.com/7dv8ywc

Posted by: stace at December 19, 2011 08:15 PM (lYlx9)

643 He can also be very good in interviews. He's been getting better in these debates but I think he'd have an even easier time of it if there weren't 6 people on stage. He's much better 1 on 1.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 08:04 PM (TLNYf)
Then let's see him on Meet the Press and Face the Nation, right away. He has to be bold to prove that he's not afraid of tough questions and that he's smart enough and quick enough to answer them.
It could go any of four ways for him, but he has to take the risk.
Oh, wait: the next two Sundays are Christmas and New Year's, and the Iowa caucuses are before the Sunday after that. Oops, I guess it's a bit late for that tactic.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:15 PM (Di3Im)

644 What's with this crap about arresting federal judges because you don't like their decisions?


Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 08:09 PM (niZvt)
Impeaching federal officers who have run amok is one of the main jobs of Congress. Perhaps that responsibility has been woefully lacking in the body that includes one impeached, convicted and removed federal judge? There is a reason that federal judges are now far more brazen in detaching themselves and their rulings from reality and just declaring anything they want.
Obama and the dems have pretty much discredited everything they've touched and they've infested the judiciary with the most dangerous and stupid of people. This cannot just be ignored or swept under the rug. The rug is on fire.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:16 PM (X3lox)

645 Oh, wait: the next two Sundays are Christmas and New Year's, and the Iowa caucuses are before the Sunday after that. Oops, I guess it's a bit late for that tactic.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:15 PM (Di3Im)

It's not too late until all the votes are counted. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 08:18 PM (AB6pF)

646 Ace of Spades new slogan: if you don't read to the very end of an epically long post, you won't even know we endorsed a candidate, let alone who it was.

Seriously, very well-argued, well enough to put me on the Rick Perry bandwagon if there's the slightest chance of success in the primaries. I like the "four big ideas" angle, a lot.

Posted by: Splunge at December 19, 2011 08:19 PM (2IW5Q)

647 Oooh.
Chocolate covered bacon and Milla.
I'm all discombobulated now.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:19 PM (zSUIh)

648 stuiec: Sadly, you are right about the electronic media and in this case you must be referring to debates. I'm not a Perry staffer just a TX citizen so I am not privy to his schedule but from what I'm reading, he is all over Iowa w/ some quick hops to SC. My guess is that he will concede NH and hit SC and FL pretty hard once IA votes are cast. Easier for me to have a better impression of him than most folks since I live in his state and have seen him on the campaign trail.
Posted by: Old Coach at December 19, 2011 08:12 PM (qhDb6)
Exactly: you've seen him lots of times up close. It was incumbent on him to make sure that people in at least Iowa, South Carolina and Florida (and preferably also New Hampshire) saw a lot of him up close and personal at least from the moment in August that he announced, if not for months and even years before.
It was hard enough for him to play catch-up. He's made it harder by overreliance on debates to get his face in front of the voters, when he's not been up to the performance standard that the debates required.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:19 PM (Di3Im)

649 I can't think of a time when I've seen such a sober and levelheaded Ace. Great post!

I'm sure the pawn shop will be re-stocked with valu-rite soon and things can get back to normal.

And Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserable Failure (SCOMF).

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650 I like this, but i'm getting whiplash.

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652 Perry for President 2012.

i've been supporting him since he announced.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 19, 2011 08:23 PM (d1FhN)

653 642
Perry's only chance is to hang in there as Number 3, let Number 1
dispose of Number 2, and then crawl his way past Number 1 to get the
nom.

Do not underestimate the power of Mr. Hankey.

Posted by: Mr. Hankey! at December 19, 2011 08:24 PM (s7mIC)

654 I saw some crappy movie with Milla, Steve Zahn, and Bullock from Deadwood yesterday. Milla was doing her best to disprove my thesis that women look better with long hair.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:24 PM (EVsi9)

655 ChadPergram
House postponing payroll votes tonight. Rules meets tonight. McCarthy says GOP didn't want to do it in the dead of night.

Posted by: M80B at December 19, 2011 08:25 PM (d6QMz)

656 Impeaching federal officers who have run amok is one of the main jobs of Congress. Perhaps that responsibility has been woefully lacking in the body that includes one impeached, convicted and removed federal judge? There is a reason that federal judges are now far more brazen in detaching themselves and their rulings from reality and just declaring anything they want.
Obama and the dems have pretty much discredited everything they've touched and they've infested the judiciary with the most dangerous and stupid of people. This cannot just be ignored or swept under the rug. The rug is on fire.
Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:16 PM (X3lox)

It's one of the powers that congress has. And it's been woefully underused because of political correctness. It's strange that so many people think that the judiciary branch is so separate that they're beyond any kind of oversight or constitutional enforcement. Gingrich's comments to this affect don't bother me. It's long overdue.

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Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:26 PM (s7mIC)

659 I see some concern that Perry is not spending enough time in Iowa.

If you are sincerely interested in knowing what he's up to, you should sign up for the Rick Perry almanac at http://bit.ly/perryalmanac

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:27 PM (5H6zj)

660 The first primary is almost a whole month away. A lot can happen, as we've seen in just the last month.
Forget about that. You are being rational. This is primary season. You're doing it wrong.
Last month, Cain was on top, and either going all the way or going to implode and seal this up for Romney. Gingrich was absurd, back in single digits, no one would believe it.
Now, Gingrich is imploding, this is going to lock up the nomination for Romney. (or maybe Ron Paul lofl).
It get's very confusing. The important thing to remember is, we were always at war with Eurasia, and Romney is still inevitable.
Until next month when, if not Perry or Paul, Bachmann will be kicking his ass in Iowa again.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 08:27 PM (TLNYf)

661 Which of course itself matters for dick, because as goes Iowa, so nobody really cares.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 08:28 PM (TLNYf)

662 oh and by the way, nobody is suggesting to "arrest" judges who issue rulings that Congress or the President doesn't like
Newt's suggestion is for Congress to subpoena them and have them testify before Congress
I'm not a Newt fan but I don't think this proposal is the reason to go all ELEVENTY

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:28 PM (s7mIC)

663 Yes?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:29 PM (EVsi9)

664 Bon Jovi is not only alive his kids go to high school with my husbands niece and nephew. Grandpa and he hang at basketball games because Grandpa has absolutely no friggin clue who he is and this amuse Jon.

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666 @660
A bit of snow here, too. Not much. We actually need more to clean up the air. The valleys here suffer from thermal inversions in the winter that really cause smog problems.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:29 PM (5H6zj)

667 Yeah, Dustin, I must be an idiot.

http://tinyurl.com/6qyvs2a

Or maybe I'm just heartless.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 19, 2011 08:29 PM (Cvvzd)

668 hmm, it seems that dagny is more devilish than previously recognized

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:29 PM (s7mIC)

669 Somebody start a new thread before I go into the old one and start abusing the Palinistas.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (SY2Kh)

670 The spam almost had its soul stolen.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (EVsi9)

671 Game delayed b/c of power outage... a transformer blew.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (5H6zj)

672 Y-not yeah we aren't supposed to get a ton of snow here, but still - just ugh

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (s7mIC)

673 671
Somebody start a new thread before I go into the old one and start abusing the Palinistas.

And we should stop you why?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:31 PM (s7mIC)

674 Somebody start a new thread before I go into the old one and start abusing the Palinistas.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (SY2Kh)
Hell, I'm vegging out thinking of Milla in The Fifth Element.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:32 PM (zSUIh)

675
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I endorse Rick before he announced. I wish he'd waited if were still on the pain meds. At least they explain some of the early debate performance.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2011 08:32 PM (1RaCw)

676 486 Perry connects with real people, because he is real. He sold books door to door in college. You meet a lot of people and you learn to accept rejection.__________
Oddly enough, so did Romney.
Well, *a* book.
(sorry; couldn't resist)

Posted by: Anachronda at December 19, 2011 08:32 PM (NmR1a)

677 Game delayed b/c of power outage... a transformer blew.

Wasn't me.

Posted by: Optimus Prime at December 19, 2011 08:32 PM (SY2Kh)

678 Oh, wait: the next two Sundays are Christmas and New Year's, and the Iowa caucuses are before the Sunday after that. Oops, I guess it's a bit late for that tactic.
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:15 PM (Di3Im)
It's not too late until all the votes are counted. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2011 08:18 PM (AB6pF)
I understand what you are saying and I agree. But in order for Perry to win the nomination, he has to win delegates in caucuses and primaries, many of which are winner-take-all. So he has to do substantially better than a single-digit percentage of the vote.
Now, since his fall out of first place in the polls can be attributed to his piss-poor performance in the debates, which made him look slow-witted and tongue-tied, he needed to counter that perception with appearances that would get news coverage in the MSM showing him to be quick-witted and articulate. An appearance on Fox News Sunday doesn't get covered on the other networks unless the candidate screws up and the other nets can use those clips. But appearances on Meet the Press and Face the Nation andThis Week With WhoeverThe HostIs This Week get excerpted on the network nightly news and syndicated to their Internet partners. And Perry showing that he's not afraid of theMSM hosts and their "hostile" questions would have countered the damage from his debate performances.
Only hecan't go on the Sunday shows now, becausethe next twoSundays -- the last two before Iowa -- are Christmas and New Year's. So it's literally too late for him to use theSunday talk shows to win over Iowa voters. And if he comes in fourth or fifth in Iowa and again in New Hampshire, will that help him win South Carolina and Florida? And if he doesn't win SC and FL in the wake of losing in IA and NH, will he have any shot whatsoever at the nomination, or will he be burnt toast?

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:32 PM (Di3Im)

679 oh and by the way, nobody is suggesting to "arrest" judges who issue rulings that Congress or the President doesn't like
Newt's suggestion is for Congress to subpoena them and have them testify before Congress
I'm not a Newt fan but I don't think this proposal is the reason to go all ELEVENTY
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:28 PM (s7mIC)

Rulings are stuffed with explanations already.

Newt's idea is to get judges to restate their explanations under duress.

He is attacking the problem from the wrong end.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:33 PM (R1+VK)

680 Leeloo

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:33 PM (s7mIC)

681 BTW, I tossed Rick a couple of more bucks this afternoon.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:33 PM (5H6zj)

682 Game delayed b/c of power outage... a transformer blew.Wasn't me.

Yeah, me either!

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Posted by: 77 Shadow Street iBooks at December 19, 2011 08:34 PM (2TMwq)

684 Leeloo

I'd like a moolteepass to Milla.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:34 PM (EVsi9)

685 And Perry showing that he's not afraid of theMSM hosts and their
"hostile" questions would have countered the damage from his debate
performances.

To my knowledge, the candidate who has shown that he's reluctant to talk with the media has been Mitt.

Brett Baier is a really scary guy...

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (5H6zj)

686 Ron Paul will win the nomination

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (8EKYJ)

687
Shit, I wouldn't know Bon Jovi if he fell in my soup. I don't even know what he does. I'm guessing pop singing? I have no idea what.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (1RaCw)

688 If top notch bloggers run Perry's campaign for him, he may just have a chance... to win more conservative voters.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (9eDbm)

689 I would not want to be in an NFL stadium that must be nearly full (b/c it's MNF) in the friggin' dark.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (5H6zj)

690 Lights seem to be back up.

Let's play football.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:36 PM (5H6zj)

691 Shit, I wouldn't know Bon Jovi if he fell in my soup. I don't even know
what he does. I'm guessing pop singing? I have no idea what.

You've surely heard this.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (EVsi9)

692 Somebody start a new thread before I go into the old one and start abusing the Palinistas.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:30 PM (SY2Kh)

As a former Palinista I will go there and help you.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (R1+VK)

693 Newt's idea is to get judges to restate their explanations under duress.



He is attacking the problem from the wrong end.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:33 PM (R1+VK)
Congress has the responsibility to impeach judges who mangle the law. Holding hearings to have some judges explain the reasoning of their rulings before Congress just goes and starts impeachment seems like a reasonable action. Any judge who belives his decision should have no problem explaining it to a Congressional committee. I don't see any "duress" here, except if one is trying to explain insane "reasoning" and make it sound even remotely sensible. That would be stressful, indeed.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (X3lox)

694 Rulings are stuffed with explanations already.

eh - they don't always have to endure the scrutiny from a dissenting view.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (s7mIC)

695 sincere question, at what point is it decided that we quit a candidate?
and decide to follow the likely winner?after iowa or after that?

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (h+qn8)

696 I don't see any "duress" here, except if one is trying to explain insane "reasoning" and make it sound even remotely sensible. That would be stressful, indeed.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (X3lox)

I see a circus maximus.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:39 PM (R1+VK)

697 If Ace supports Palin, I have no respect for Ace.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:39 PM (8EKYJ)

698 jack, ace in no way supports palin.

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:40 PM (h+qn8)

699 Unbelievable. We're officially a third world country. But willthe darknesshelp the 'Niners D...?

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2011 08:40 PM (Qjh0I)

700 Oooh.
Chocolate covered bacon and Milla.
I'm all discombobulated now.
The keys are to pace yourself and to stay hydrated.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 08:41 PM (Gk3SS)

701 697
sincere question, at what point is it decided that we quit a candidate?
and decide to follow the likely winner?after iowa or after that?


Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (h+qn"
Make up your own mind. Whats with the we shit?

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:41 PM (8EKYJ)

702 There's about a 99% chance "Jack" is fuckwit raykon.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (EVsi9)

703 hate when i have to google stars. yeah milla is cute.

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (h+qn8)

704 I see a circus maximus.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:39 PM (R1+VK)
That's what we have in our federal judiciary, already. It's far beyond a joke. Congress has a RESPONSIBILITY to impeach judges who work to subvert the Constitution. RESPONSIBILITY. Not just the power, but the responsibility.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (X3lox)

705 702The keys are to pace yourself and to stay hydrated.

There's only one way to do that. Literally.

Posted by: Brawndo! The Thirst Mutilator! at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (2IW5Q)

706 697
sincere question, at what point is it decided that we quit a candidate?and decide to follow the likely winner?after iowa or after that?

For me, I go with the candidate that I think would make the best president when I vote in my primary.

The convention is the time to "come together." I think it's foolish to try to jump on the putative winner's bandwagon early. And it's especially true in the case of Mitt, because he has not made any effort to appeal to conservative voters. This is as conservative as he'll ever sound -- and it's not very conservative.

That's why I will vote against any supposed conservative who endorsed Mitt early. (I'm looking at you, Jason Chaffetz.)

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (5H6zj)

707 Perry! Perry! Perry! Way to go Ace-lead the way!

Posted by: nikkolai at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (JMwDN)

708 And Perry showing that he's not afraid of theMSM hosts and their "hostile" questions would have countered the damage from his debate performances.To my knowledge, the candidate who has shown that he's reluctant to talk with the media has been Mitt. Brett Baier is a really scary guy...
Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (5H6zj)
You know, there was a debate between Perry and Romney on Meet the Press in October.
Only Perry sent Bobby Jindal in his place, and Romney sent Tim Pawlenty.
Boy howdy, I tell you what, that was really informative about the guys actually running.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (Di3Im)

709 sincere question, at what point is it decided that we quit a candidate?
and decide to follow the likely winner?after iowa or after that?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (h+qn

Depends. Let's say it 4th quarter, your team is down by a touchdown and a field goal, they have two time outs, the clock reads 5:00, and they just got the ball back on their own thirty.

Or, is there only one minute left?

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (R1+VK)

710 700
jack, ace in no way supports palin.


Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:40 PM (h+qn"Ace, you agree?
I bet he will not state no.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (8EKYJ)

711 693Shit, I wouldn't know Bon Jovi if he fell in my soup. I don't even know what he does. I'm guessing pop singing? I have no idea what.

You've surely heard this.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (EVsi9) Nope

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (1RaCw)

712 jack, when i know any hopes i might have are fruitless. is there a specific caucus?

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (h+qn8)

713 I agree with Ace! I love Rick Perry, he can win.

Posted by: CarolT at December 19, 2011 08:44 PM (z4WKX)

714 Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:42 PM (X3lox)

I know that. I don't trust them. The Congress is just another broken part and I do not trust them to repair the Judiciary.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (R1+VK)

715 Ron Paul will win the nomination

I agree. He's a shoe-in for the nomination of "King of the Corpus Christi Retirement Home Annual Summer Mixer and Bingo Extravaganza".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (SY2Kh)

716 eman, that was cruel!

reminds me of Jim Carey, 'you mean there's a chance"

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (h+qn8)

717 This web site is my breathing in, really fantastic pattern and perfect subject matter.

Posted by: Covert Warriors ePub at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (yrT5v)

718 There are almost no good things, politically speaking, about living in California (Brown: "Hey, I know! Let's raise taxes again"), but one of the few is that, by the time we vote in the primary, a lot has been sorted out. I don't expect to have to make a challenging decision.

Posted by: Splunge at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (2IW5Q)

719 PON RAUL!!!

Posted by: Big T Party at December 19, 2011 08:46 PM (hC5jI)

720 Yeah, raykon, ace is a big fan of Palin.



Here's the pulse of this blog.

Here's your finger, far from the pulse, jammed directly up your ass.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:46 PM (EVsi9)

721
Perry's only chance is to hang in there as Number 3, let Number 1 dispose of Number 2, and then crawl his way past Number 1 to get the nom.

so he has to be Bill Clinton in the 1992 primaries?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Keeper Of The Troll Hall Of Fame at December 19, 2011 08:46 PM (LbD4P)

722 If Ace supports Palin, I have no respect for Ace.

You must be new here.

Ace supports Palin like Ted Nugent supports the vegan movement.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2011 08:47 PM (SY2Kh)

723 Rick Perry is the best candidate on paper for all the reasons you state. But he doesn't state them as well, and he's doubling down on Conservative identity politics by bringing up Jesus and teh ghey issues and all that, in lieu of making his case. He won Texas similarly, getting a minority but plurality of the vote the last time he won. And the rest of the country is not Texas.

I get it that he's the non-Romney here.

Romney would be a great candidate if he would just affirm some Conservative ideas other than lukewarm social ones. Hell, if Romney would just admit that if Congress repeals Obamacare he'd sign it, end of story, wouldn't we all feel our sphincters relax a bit?

Posted by: dandoz at December 19, 2011 08:47 PM (n7mVo)

724 sincere question, at what point is it decided that we quit a candidate?and decide to follow the likely winner?after iowa or after that?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:37 PM (h+qn
One could plausibly argue that the entire GOP field of declared candidates is a bunch of sideshow freaks.
- Mitt the Spineless Boy
- Newt the Disembodied Brain
- Mnemonic Rick, the Man Who Can Remember Two Things
- Pauliancus the Undead
- Michelle, the Woman Who Hears Things From People Who Come Up to Her
- Santorum, the Incredible Invisible Man
- Inconsequential Jon
- And let's not forget Tim the Gutless Wonder or Herman the Ninth Son of the Ninth Son of the Ninth Son
Certainly none of them -- not one -- has distinguished him- or herself as a candidate that can beat Barack Obama on his or her own merits. That is, with the exception of Ron Paul, probably any of them can beat Obama, but that's because Obama is a SCOAMF and not because these folks are super-duper candidates.
So there's no compelling reason to congeal behind any particular candidate early on. Let's see how the caucuses and primaries shake out and who ends up with decent delegate tallies on into March and April before talking about unifying behind a candidate.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:47 PM (Di3Im)

725 Shit, I wouldn't know Bon Jovi if he fell in my soup. I don't even know what he does. I'm guessing pop singing? I have no idea what.
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2011 08:35 PM (1RaCw)
80's and 90'shair band from Jersey that sold 130 million albums.
Really? You've never heard of them?

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:47 PM (zSUIh)

726 dandos, a bit.

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:48 PM (h+qn8)

727 "714
jack, when i know any hopes i might have are fruitless. is there a specific caucus?

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:43 PM (h+qn"
No sweet one but reality pervades and Rons have not changed. So lets see.I have been predicting Ron for 2 months.I am way ahead of my time.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:49 PM (8EKYJ)

728 You know, I would never have guessed that the Niners led 10-9 in wins against the Steelers.

Over/under on Ben's foot falling off?

Posted by: alexthechick at December 19, 2011 08:50 PM (Gk3SS)

729
>>Over/under on Ben's foot falling off?

The ESPN guys were pointing out that the delay means that his pain meds dosage will be screwed up. He probably already took it and he can't take it again.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 08:51 PM (5H6zj)

730 "721
PON RAUL!!!

Posted by: Big T Party at December 19, 2011 08:46 PM (hC5jI)"AMEN BROTHER, LETs DO IT, RON PAUL 2012.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:51 PM (8EKYJ)

731 Let's see how the caucuses and
primaries shake out and who ends up with decent delegate tallies on into
March and April before talking about unifying behind a candidate.

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2011 08:47 PM (Di3Im)
alright so it's just a wait and see approach, and quit feeling on tender hooks thing.

Posted by: willow at December 19, 2011 08:52 PM (h+qn8)

732 Here's your finger, far from the pulse, jammed directly up your ass.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 08:46 PM (EVsi9)

Is that where Fwank got his thumb injury from?

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 08:53 PM (zSUIh)

733
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:45 PM (R1+VK)

I don't trust any of them, either, but at least one branch has to work and be trustworthy for this nation to have any chance. Clearly, the judiciary is totally untrustworthy and they aren't subject to any sort of adverse consequences from their own rulings, save for Congress' impeachment power. Between the two, there is little doubt in my mind which institution is the less untrustworthy. Congress, at least, is open to elections every two years.

Aside from that, I trust even the RINOs in Congress (and those to be swept in in 2012) more than the despicable slugs in the judiciary. Those judges are the lowest of the low. The bottom of the barrel. Ultimate slime. And they are more dangerous than anything else, but BHO and his national socializing health care monstrosity.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:53 PM (X3lox)

734 Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 08:53 PM (X3lox)

So, your are going to sic the folks you don't trust on the folks you hate?

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:56 PM (R1+VK)

735 The most compelling reason to support Perry in the primaries and anyone but SCOAMF in the general is that we are only one USSC appointment away from having no rights at all. Even second amendment support is 5-4.

Posted by: Buck Ofama at December 19, 2011 08:56 PM (0aMD9)

736 No, really, does Anne Hathaway get naked in the new Batman movie?

Posted by: Phinn at December 19, 2011 08:57 PM (D0QzD)

737 First!

Ace, you may have swayed me away from another candidate with this well written endorsement.

I will certainly vote for Perry over Ron Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities Paul.

Of course Paul has been consistently honest only coming clean as it were in 2001 when he "admitted" that he didn't write the offending remarks even after accepting his authorship in 1996.

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at December 19, 2011 08:58 PM (zgwWv)

738 You crazy right wingers will never unify behind Paul, but many of us on the left will make your noises nonsense.

Ron Paul for president.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 08:58 PM (8EKYJ)

739 Heh. Jon Bon Jovi has a pic up standing in front of a Christmas tree holding a note: "Heaven looks a lot like New Jersey. JBJ 12-19-2011"

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 08:59 PM (zLeKL)

740 So, your are going to sic the folks you don't trust on the folks you hate?





Posted by: eman at December 19, 2011 08:56 PM (R1+VK)
It's their Constitutional duty. And it is necessary for them to finally start carrying out that duty.

Posted by: really ... at December 19, 2011 09:00 PM (X3lox)

741
Keep fuckin' that chicken Ace. Personally I'm not "compassionate" enough to vote for Perry.
Back to realitySouth Carolina and Florida are the real momentum makers and Gingrich has the advantage in those states. Romney and Perry have the money to soldier on but which state is Perry going to come in first or second into give him enough momentum/legitimacy to justify him continuing into the third phase of the process(Arizona-Wyoming)? He is going to come in near last in South Carolina and Florida is he going to rebound in Nevada Maine Colorado or Minnesota? I mean a real rebound. getting over 30% in those states...
Perry's goose was cooked when he wagged his finger at the base for being anti-illegal alien (polls prove it). He charred the goose black with his continual debate flubs. And while guys that sound smart at a podium got us into this mess low information voters will be swayed mightily at the podium and Governor Hotgas WILL turn the goose to ash at that podium.
Ace you make the point yourself when talking about low information voters they will decide via sometinhg as simple as a debate and any slipp up will run non-stop until election day
Perry could force a brokered convention but I doubt it.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at December 19, 2011 09:00 PM (qcrVQ)

742 okay, going to bed early
good night

Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2011 09:01 PM (s7mIC)

743 I wonder what percentage of these comments are from trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:02 PM (zLeKL)

744 What worries me is that so far, only Herman the Horrible has been eliminated from the race.

It's going to be a long, long year...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 19, 2011 09:03 PM (niZvt)

745 "745
I wonder what percentage of these comments are from trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:02 PM (zLeKL)"
Yes, words a tricky little slippery shits aren't they?

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:04 PM (8EKYJ)

746 Ace,

It might be time to watch Perry's debate(s) with his Democratic opponents in Texas. We know how he does on stage with 7 Republicans. How about with 1 Democrat?

Here's his debate from 2011. He does well, but, admittedly, the press is more kind to him than the national press would be AND his opponent seems exceptionally weak.

But still worth looking at:

http://tinyurl.com/3uun6tq


Posted by: Will Antonin at December 19, 2011 09:05 PM (ubduJ)

747 I posted that stat of Perry's job record on Facebook with the comments "how many jobs has Obama created?"

A liberal friend replies, "apparently a lot in Texas."

Me: Yes, and nowhere else, apparently.

LF: Texas only accounts for 45 percent of your total USA job creation... that its according to your provided statistics. Meaning simply that somewhere else there also must be job creation.

Me: Only 45%? Oh, is that all?

LF: Its notabe that Texas is quite large and has a tidy sum of the united states oil refineries.

Me: So the answer is: more oil exploration? Not a bad idea. Hey, what about that oil pipeline from Canada to the U.S.? That'll create TONS of jobs! No way Obama would be against creating jobs, right?

Oh.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:05 PM (zLeKL)

748 I ripped on Bon Jovi (because it's fun) but one of my fave songs is also one of the first ones I learned on guitar and also goes along with the opening credits of Young Guns, which is a cool fucking movie!

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 09:06 PM (zSUIh)

749 I wonder what percentage of these comments are from trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.
Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:02 PM (zLeKL)
In my experience here, if you don't recognize the name, it's probably a troll.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 09:08 PM (zSUIh)

750 That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

Posted by: The Cooks Illustrated Cookbook ePub at December 19, 2011 09:09 PM (o7/dB)

751 751: Yeah that's a pretty good rule of thumb. I tend to go easy on newbies, though. It won't do the movement any good if we scare people off. Election season is winding up and we'll get lots of newbies and sadly, more trolls.

I was a newbie back in 2008, finally got up the courage to comment a few months later.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:10 PM (zLeKL)

752 Don't go to Hot Air right now. Just don't.


I warned you.

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:11 PM (zLeKL)

753 This was from a friend on facebook:

"Scripture from Gov. Rick Perry on conference call this evening. Absolutely what I needed to hear today.
Joshua 1:9
Have I not commanded you? Be strong & of Good Courage; do not be afraid, nor dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go."

Posted by: Joffen at December 19, 2011 09:13 PM (zLeKL)

754 "In my experience here, if you don't recognize the name, it's probably a troll.

Posted by: ErikW at December 19, 2011 09:08 PM (zSUIh)"Trolls, hmmm. If the fascists left them alone, maybe they wouldn't change their names as often...I have been left alone for the past few.
Why are we here to begin with (trolls)? Why, because we all saw W was such a mistake to begin with, and you still do not see.


Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:15 PM (8EKYJ)

755 I love this bit from the Big Government endorsement.
But, when did debate performance become our sole criteria for picking a President? When did the RNC decide to team up with the legacy media and turn the nomination contest into an almost unwatchable reality TV spectacle? Is this really a sane way to pick a nominee?

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 19, 2011 09:15 PM (TLNYf)

756 Yep! I was agreed, I'll keep in touch to your blog.

Posted by: The Art of Manliness AudioBook at December 19, 2011 09:16 PM (6ZCwr)

757 Don't go to Hot Air right now. Just don't.





I warned you.

Goddammit.

/administers 17 megapixels of brain bleach

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 19, 2011 09:20 PM (EVsi9)

758 For Rick Perry not know much about

Posted by: 護髮 at December 19, 2011 09:21 PM (6NrSU)

759 Perry is pretty good one-on-one, in interviews and just talking to people.

He isn't stupid. He has hired the Mustache of Doom, John Bolton, as his foreign policy adviser. Plus, he flew airplanes in the Air Force. You can't do that if you are stupid.

Likeability is a BIG factor, perhaps the biggest. It's why Bush beat Gore. It's also why Obama beat McCain (Obama was doing an IMITATION of being likable, which no longer will work.)

Also, I vote for the dog-defender over the dog-tormenter.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 19, 2011 09:21 PM (GoIUi)

760 Why cant ace filter out the easies? Ace, its not that complicated

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:22 PM (8EKYJ)

761 746 -

CC- I'm not generally a conspiracy guy, but when it comes to politics, I think it's in their DNA. If we assume Mitt had stalking horses in the campaign, Herb was as good a bet as any to be one. He dropped out because he ceased to be useful to Mitt. Personally, I think Bachmann is as well, and a particularly effective one at that. If so, I think she's still around just in case Perry does manage to regain some momentum.

I could be wrong, but it won't be the first time, so...

Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2011 09:24 PM (Gc/Qi)

762 JHC AC anything with "audiobook" in its name/url, delete it. For Christs sake shit is not that complicated.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:25 PM (8EKYJ)

763 I knew there was a reason I love the little Ewok that runs this place.

Posted by: USMC8541 at December 19, 2011 09:26 PM (xf3fv)

764 Ace, Perry is a religious nut, on par with Palin. What dont you get?

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:27 PM (8EKYJ)

765 Ace, you dont manually have to delete the spam, the act can be automated.

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:29 PM (8EKYJ)

766 19 The nation ought to have had it's fill of "geniuses" by now.


Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama.

What all these "geniuses" had in common was they made a horrible mess of things, the consequences of which we are still dealing with today.

In actual effect they were idiots.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 19, 2011 05:33 PM (t3mKS)


JFK? Really? He was as bad as Woodrow Wilson or Jimmy Carter?

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at December 19, 2011 09:30 PM (E7I0g)

767 Tell you the truth though ace, your spam makes mores sense than your regulars...

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:33 PM (8EKYJ)

768 So on the Rick Perry FB page there's a post soliciting donations from Utahns and the three folks commenting on it are all Paulbots and I swear none of them are old enough to drive. It's hysterical.

Posted by: Y-not at December 19, 2011 09:35 PM (5H6zj)

769 Character and experience, he by far has the best servant's heart for the country. Yep, Perry 2012. Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at December 19, 2011 09:37 PM (8DdAv)

770 Ron Paul for President

I have been predicting for months that he will win the nomination

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:37 PM (8EKYJ)

771 "Character and experience, he by far has the best servant's heart for the country. "

WTF, you want us all to serve the 1 percent? Of course you do, but may not realize... Sad

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:41 PM (8EKYJ)

772 Some country strong?

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:47 PM (8EKYJ)

773 Girls, you still here?

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:48 PM (8EKYJ)

774 A little history...JackOfAllTrades also predicted the Colts would win the Superbowl and Andrew Luck would win the Heisman. As for the American Music Awards, we don't know, but he is a Miley Cyrus man, so...

I do like your oblivious confidence in Ron "You Kids Get Off My Lawn" Paul, though, Jack, especially your gleeful delusion that a hare-crazy, isolationist Libertarian would win the nomination.
From now on, I'm going the call you "my friend, Fringey"

Posted by: LexisTexas at December 19, 2011 09:51 PM (Cn396)

775 "Posted by: LexisTexas at December 19, 2011 09:51 PM (Cn396)"

I say, face up to the facts, the libs and libertarians have been screaming them for years... Reality sucks

Posted by: JackOfAllTrades at December 19, 2011 09:56 PM (8EKYJ)

776 In NC our primary is in May. On the ballot, the Gay Marriage Issue. If Perry makes it that far, it will get interesting. It will put a different spin on conservative turnout for a primary here in NC. Does this help Perry IDK?

BTW - Obama is a SCOAMF!

Posted by: x11b1p at December 19, 2011 10:12 PM (nVLlM)

777 He kinda broke my heart calling me heartless on immigration, but I believe that he was mispeaking.

I believe he knows deep down the importance of the rule of law and in the end trying to square the circle of justice will not be easy and some folks are not going to be happy with the outcome.

Compassion overreach will get him compared more to Bush by his own side. He needs to present himself as the grown-up in the election.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 19, 2011 10:13 PM (qs9G3)

778 One other thing, sign me up as a Perry supporter.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 19, 2011 10:15 PM (qs9G3)

779 Still not so taken with Perry, even though he is my governor.

BUT, I remember his early days in office and his budget slashing, and the gnashing of teeth by so many state bureaucrats -- ah, a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 19, 2011 10:25 PM (fEmj2)

780 JackOfAllTrades,

I have no doubt that your reality sucks, inasmuch as it likely involves vigorous butter-massages of Barney Frank's generous man-boobs, punctuated by frequent requests that you consider what he has to offer, "sub-prime." And I'll concede that, "screaming" is the default level of discourse from libs, but I can't help thinking that by now, your Mom is suspicious of finding sticky photo-stills of Janeane Garfolo from Reality Bites which you claim is just part of your plan to "Occupy The Shower."

Posted by: LexisTexas at December 19, 2011 10:30 PM (Cn396)

781 The definition of stupidity, part 1: Nominate someone who has so limited appeal to the audience s/he needs to appeal to in order to win, that you guarantee you will lose. This includes Perry, Palin, Paul.

The definition of stupidity, part 2: After insisting your candidate is the only one for the job, you decide to take your marbles and go home rather than work to unseat teh One when your candidate loses.

The ONLY mission is to unseat teh One. Send him to the links. Get him out of the house.

Ok, as a corollary I'd argue that a second aspect of the mission is to get as many tea party candidates into the Senate and House as possible.

But we have to get teh One out. It doesn't matter how conservative, or RINO the candidate that gets him out is, as long as they get him out.

Lets not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Its the economy stupid.

Our candidate won't be perfect. Fine. Lets select the one (or two) who have a chance to beat teh one.

Like it or not, Perry just ain't there. His ship sailed a long time ago ... he was the second "not-Mitt" after Bachmann.

I don't like Mitt. But he's one of the very few with a fighting chance to beat teh One.

And it is the economy, stupid.

Very few of our candidates have real significant private sector experience. Very few can actually honestly say they've created real private sector jobs. Or made the hard decisions to eliminate jobs. Again, this is where Mitt has a far better story than teh One, and for that matter, the entire R contingent.

I don't like his flippyness. I don't like some of his positions. Obamney Care bugs the crap out of me. As a small business owner, I know I can't afford this crap.

Bachmann, Perry, Cain all imploded. Newt may be starting his implosion. Huntsman and Santorum are tier 2 and 3. Crazy Uncle Ron? Thats the only way to guarantee I won't vote R for prez.

The imploded ones aren't viable. There is no spin that will kickstart their likeability or desireability versus Obama. http://bit.ly/fD8dyu shows us that the voters generally don't prefer Perry vs Obama, while Romney is far closer.

The intrade market data on likely candidates is a pretty good predictor of these things. Have a look here. http://bit.ly/fY9gXb They give Huntsman a better chance than Perry.

Intrade itself suggests that Obama has slightly better than even odds at winning. http://bit.ly/dHvhlM

If this is really the case, then we want to put our absolute most likely to win card in the deck.

And this is not Perry.

Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2011 10:49 PM (80GjT)

782 rick perry is running? who knew?

Posted by: some dope at December 19, 2011 11:00 PM (+kznc)

783 Romney is craven in his win at all costs desperation.

Look at the Christie endorsement.

There was a burst of MFM speculation that Christie was wrestling with entering the race, followed by his press conference declining to run.

A week or two later he endorsed Romney.

The MFM was complicit in this charade.

This raises the question, why has the MFM largely held its fire on Romney while savaging his challengers?

Is it because they win even when they lose.











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Posted by: A History of the World in 100 Objects ePub at December 19, 2011 11:11 PM (6ZCwr)

785 Holy crap, there's a lot of comments on this thread. That means no one is going to read this one, just I like I didn't read any but the first 20 or so. Whatever.
Great, clear analysis of Perry's strengths, ace. But you don't need to convince me; I've been pulling for Perry before he got in the race. You said what I've been saying all along: I think Perry would be the best President out of all the candidates. Clearly not the best debator, but I definitely think the most conservative president who could govern effectively and get this country back on the right track.
Well, I'm off to do some more Christmas stuff before bed instead of hitting the ONT. F*** Iowa and Florida for pushing their retarded primaries this early in the cycle.

Posted by: OSUsux at December 19, 2011 11:17 PM (aOaj7)

786 Okay, I'm sold. Who cares if he flubs a debate? No one watches the damn things and we all know that the media will universally declare Obama the winner of any and all debates that occur.

Posted by: Darkkan at December 19, 2011 11:25 PM (RfikI)

787
The governorship in the State of Texas is one of the least powerful in all of the USA. Rick has had jack to do with job creation in TX. Job creation has been primarily due to the diversity of the state and its extremely low taxes than's the TX Congress.
Perry has time and time again supported things like.
- Trans-TX Corridor, eminent domaining over a million acres of private property in order to build a massive 1/4-mile-wide toll road that nobody wanted. Not only nobody wanted, but every study showed it would hurt the state. And he was handing it over to a Spanish company both both construction and operation. We pay for he, the Spaniards profit from it. He pushed and pushed and pushed this project despite massive protest - for years. Refused to put it to a popular vote. Tried everything he could to literally force it on us Huey-long style. He only recently dropped it when he decided to make a run for POTUS and started trying to rebrand himself as a Tea-party "conservative."
- Has vetoed legislation that would have deregulated our health care industry, driving up costs, worsening doctor shortages, preventing competition. But it's been great for his buddies (read financers)in the healthcare industry.
- There is example after example after example of how utterly corrupt Perry is. He is deeply entrenched in corporate special interests.
I will totally agree that I like a lot of what Perry says, but therein lies the problem. What Perry says is not what Perry does. Perry is the classic stereotypical slimy say-anything-do-anything politician.

Posted by: Andrew at December 19, 2011 11:26 PM (HS3dy)

788
John Galt,
The whole problem with your argument is what's the point of unseating the "The One" if the replacement is "Another One" ?
Show me one, just ONE, case in which voting for the so-called lesser of two evils has advanced conservatism. And by conservatism I mean actually reducing the size of federal government... I mean actually making a real shift back towards our founding values of individual liberty and limited government.
Show me one case.
I'm sorry, but I'd honestly rather keep Obama if it's another weak candiate. Why? Simple. A house divided is less likely to get anything done. I'd love for the government to be at constant risk of shutting down. I'd love for them to have to constantly have a high fight over raising the debt ceiling every 6 months to a year. Great! With a guy like Romney or Gingrich that won't happen.

Posted by: Andrew at December 19, 2011 11:32 PM (HS3dy)

789 Good boy, Ace. Here's your cookie.

Don't worry, I'll have more for you after I've cashed this week's paycheck from Rick.

Posted by: Erick Erick$on at December 19, 2011 11:39 PM (vNri7)

790 Swing voters are superficial. So look at the most superficial thing about these guys- their appearance.
Newt is a rotund older guy with white hair.
Romney appears -slick- in much the same way that Obama does. The mega-polished result of decades of grooming.
Ron Paul looks like the Mawangdui Mummy.
Perry, aside from a striking resemblance to the Texas Aggie mascot, looks like a burly, square jawed oil rig worker who could kick the ever loving shit out of the rest of them. Just grab Ron Paul by the ankles and bludgeon them mercilessly.

Perry '12: If for no other reason, do it because he's the only one who looks like he might have a callus or two.


Posted by: Darkkan at December 19, 2011 11:43 PM (RfikI)

791 Show me one, just ONE, case in which voting for the so-called lesser of two evils has advanced conservatism.
Warren G. Harding was the lesser evil in 1920. He died 3 years in and Silent Cal (who could never have been elected President any other way) took over the last year and won the next.
I think that was the last time government was actually cut.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 20, 2011 12:09 AM (TLNYf)

792 I really want Rick to say "Adios Mo Fo" to Obama
after Rick is sworn in as President....
I have already printed up the bumper stickers....

Posted by: izoneguy at December 20, 2011 12:13 AM (i6Neb)

793 CIS debunked the Perry spokesman debunking of their report that a good chunk of those new texas jobs went to illegals.
I know the Perry people have their explanation for why all of his apparently bad stuff on immigration isn't. But the two leading conservative groups on immigration think the guy is poison. That plays big with me.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 20, 2011 12:14 AM (baC5d)

794 Rick Perry can say, "My policy is to have a low tax burden on
wealth-creators and a fair and predictable regulatory scheme which does
not seek to pick winners and losers, and here is how that has worked out in Texas."

Yeah, but will he? Sick to death of the non-articulators of conservatism (W, call your office). Rick Perry is another in a long line of them.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 20, 2011 12:44 AM (+XVQe)

795 People vote their pocketbook in elections. It has always been that way. And Obama has folks looking elsewhere because he is such a fack-up on the economy. I may not agree with Perry on every issue 100% of the time but the guy has shown he does well with economic issues in the 2nd largest state in the country. I don't need unicorns and rainbows, I need a paycheck and security.

Posted by: Case at December 20, 2011 01:37 AM (FD6YW)

796 I just found out I'm a Perry guy.

Took the test.

I thought I was for .............someone else.

Posted by: currently at December 20, 2011 01:46 AM (flA6l)

797 Your words are fine and good. But action is needed. Step up and donate to Perry. I have in the recent past and did so justnow.

Posted by: Perrybot at December 20, 2011 01:50 AM (oCMdU)

798 Great piece. I have been following and rooting for Rick Perry for the last couple of years.

What Have Bachmann and Paul actually done? The answer is nothing and yet those two bang their drums the loudest. I was a "fan" of Bachmann before she entered the race but after seeing her yapping dog behavior, I am completely disgusted with her. She has no chance of winning...and she's been so irritating that she may not even be wanted for a VP slot.

Romney - I watched his Fox News Sunday interview and his economic plan lacked details. I want details dammit. Not to mention his plasticky, robotic vibe...

Gingrich - He wants to fundamentally change stuff in Washington....well isn't that what Obama promised us....you know that hopey changy thing.

I hope Perry makes it to the California primary....I will cast my vote for him.

But at the end of the day, I will hold my nose and vote for the Republican candidate whether I like this person or not.

Posted by: Random Hot Chick at December 20, 2011 01:51 AM (ngSjE)

799 This is my first post here even though I've been reading here for about a year... and you guys have helped save my sanity! Here goes:
I really appreciated such a well-thought out post, Ace. This portion especiallystood out for me:
"But I don't want someone who is so confident that he is a more capable administrator of federal power. I want someone who is skeptical of federal power no matter who wields it, no matter how skilled and able an administrator he might be, even if that administrator is he himself, and so always prefers to shunt power away from the government to to the states, and their citizens."
Isildur was confident that he could wield the One Ring, and it consumed and destroyedhim. Aragorn and Gandalf knew that they were not powerful enough, so they destroyed it. The former was ignorant, the latter were smart. Perry, therefore, is the "smart one" because he knows the government is too big and it consumes anyone who doesn't want to destroy it.
Thanks for letting me join in!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 20, 2011 02:30 AM (KL49F)

800 Bush was also an awesome Texas governor that couldn't speak.

Bush version 3.0 Perry should be awesome!!!

Can't wait for some of that good old compassionate conservatism from Tex-ass again in D.C. to replace Obamunism.

Posted by: Chris at December 20, 2011 02:50 AM (pt3ia)

801 Waaaay late to the party, but that's my analysis as well: Perry has the right core principles, he's tremendously likeable* in interviews and as a campaigner, and his gaffes are in the rearview mirror (and hopefully will stay there).

I also agree with Ace that those of us who are obsessed with politics know all this inside-baseball stuff, and it distorts our view of the race. Most folks simply are not paying attention.

Also, the Pravda media will definitely do their damnedest to disembowel anyone we put up. AS a good friend of mine once said, "If you're going to catch hell no matter what you do, why not do what you want?"

Remember: Newt's numbers were going down the drain just a month or two ago -- this race is still very volatile, and could change in a week.

*Likeability in the general election is enormously important, and it will set him off well against the oily and arrogant Hussein Obummer.

Posted by: Beverly at December 20, 2011 03:02 AM (OOQkt)

802 They will be stressing Obama's faithfulness to his wife and their two beautiful children.
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806 Ace needs and intervention.

Posted by: cvb at December 20, 2011 07:30 AM (HRFxR)

807 Gig Em'

Perry 2012

Posted by: workingclass artist at December 20, 2011 07:35 AM (tBMfq)

808 Well said Ace, well said.

Posted by: 57 states at December 20, 2011 08:10 AM (ginGE)

809 The best endorsement of any candidate that I've read so far. You really nailed the good, bad and ugly of Governor Perry.

Posted by: Mary at December 20, 2011 08:15 AM (t4WVf)

810 As I said in the beginning, Perry/Palin in 2012. The media/libs would go into terminal meltdown trying to deal with this ticket.

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at December 20, 2011 09:12 AM (j17Xp)

811 Way too late, as usual, but I appreciate the well presented case, by people whose opinions I value greatly. I had pretty much written Perry off, primarily due to his probable inability to stand up to Obama in debates and sell his case to the American people. Not only right now, when there is some Obama fatigue, but four years from now, when the going might still be tough. Also concerned about his being stereotyped as "We're supposed to vote for another dumb Texas cowboy.... Really?"
Not in total agreement about everything, but you've made solid arguments that have reopened my eyes, and I'm going to take a fresh new look. Thanks.

Posted by: RM at December 20, 2011 09:15 AM (TRsME)

812 The interesting thing about Ron Paul's rise is that he has made these gains with the wind in his face.

Meanwhile, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, etc. were all driven by media hype and a party establishment desperate to capture the Tea Party vote.

When Paul has a steady drumbeat of "conservatives" trying to destroy his candidacy (you know the type.... the ones who profess Constitutional values and claim to LOVE small government, but then manage to achieve the exact opposite under the cover of some religious posturing or culture war), you know that it is a real base of support he has... rather than some silly American Idol style hype fest.

Posted by: wha? at December 20, 2011 09:19 AM (4Hrju)

813 Bob Bullock's accomplishments for the State of Texas are neither Bush's nor Perry's, no matter who lives the longest to brag as his own. When Perry became Lt.Gov. upon Bullock's retirement, the job was set clear sailing given all the organizational efforts already accomplished by Bullock on behalf of Texas. Subsequently, regarding the "weak" gubernatorial responsibilities in Texas, that status proves itself again today as Governor Perry plays AWOL at significant TX taxpayer expense while campaigning for his negligible presidential bid.

Of Perry's quoted new jobs in Texas, in the interest of full disclosure, provide the graphic statistical breakdown stipulating how many of these new are tax funded positions with the State of Texas government, as then how many of these new "private" industry positions are being filled by non-US citizens in Texas. Perry's significant increase in the State of Texas spending budget is also not addressed by his advocates, avoided at all costs.

Rick Perry says whatever he understands that the people want to hear in order to get re-elected. And he does love the Great State of Texas. But he loves himself a hell of a lot more than he cares about Texas taxpayers. What of his pledge to complete his unprecedented latest stint as Governor of Texas? The American voters from 50 states will likely enforce it since Perry's abandoned it. Likewise with any pledge. Whatever will power from the voters wringing out of Perry is all that they can hope fulfilled from his administration's politically expedient platform, because Perry has already proven that he's vested personally/politically with globalists, not constitutional conservatives. Regarding our Bill of Rights, aside from gun control, on three significant occasions, Perry turned against the Constitutional Rights of Texans. Acknowledged, concerned or not, this record exists within a Perry endorsement. Even concerning the bottom dollar, how was awarding the construction and tolling of Perry's Trans Texas Corridor to a Spanish corporation in the best interest of the State of Texas taxpayers and state economy?

Playing the puppet in the hands of not American but globalist interests wins the neoconservative endorsement for POTUS, lots of campaign funds and advancement of authoritarianism. Nothing new.

Whatever v. Obama


Posted by: Lesser of two weevils pie in the sky at December 20, 2011 09:20 AM (lpWVn)

814 Of the current nominees, Perry is the only one I really like, and would like to see as the Republican choice. It's a pity he stumbled out of the gate because I think he'd be a big frontrunner by now otherwise.

The more I read about Romney and Gingritch, the less I like the idea of having to vote for either.

There's still time for Perry.

(I hope.)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 20, 2011 09:30 AM (DuH+r)

815 Remember: Newt's numbers were going down the drain just a month or two ago -- this race is still very volatile, and could change in a week.
No they weren't - Newt's numbersdidn't exist a month or two ago.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 20, 2011 09:40 AM (AuQqX)

816 So there you have it. If Gingrich is the nominee the media will stress Obama's supposed marital bliss and his two "beautiful children". So if Rick Perry is the nominee it just stands to reason they will stress that Obama is, you know, smart and stuff.

Posted by: ThePaganTemple at December 20, 2011 09:52 AM (9tNcY)

817 As far as this post---I would naturally take a look at any one entering the race, though I do have concerns about Mrs. Palin entering at this date unless she did so by releasing her personally-pinned revisions of the Federalist Papers that settled all questions about her gravitas, just because there may be not enough time to settle them otherwise and I'm tired of arguing this type of issue.

Otherwise, as far as people actually in--I look forward to Mrs. Bachmann establishing executive credentials someday so we may see if the ability lives up to the clear potential. As far as Mr. Huntsman, I think leaving him thinking next year, as he sits on the sideline, about his triangulation earlier this year, pondering what could have been, will be a useful object lesson to future pols--don't plan, *be*. As far as Mr. Paul, he is proof that the #OWS crowd is really about socialism and electing Democrats, for otherwise they would be flocking to him. Mr. Santorum is somebody I understand is in the race. That leaves Mr. Perry.

I say go for him, with a.) when it will come to the debates, we should probably remember the old saying "Warren, Spahn, and pray for rain" and b.) I don't care if the man thinks I have a heart or not when it comes to immigration. Another amnesty attempt by a Republican risks permanent party schism, so he and all the rest of the "wise old men" can just figure out how to appeal to that particular demographic that wants an amnesty in some other fashion; and if there is no way to appeal to those who believe in the rule of law and those who demand amnesty as the price of their support, then I guess it is just time to finally choose and perish, because as far as I'm concerned an amnesty-attempting GOP is not ever going to be anything but something to take pot shots at, as often and as hard as can be, and for me at least, that's what I'll do.

Other than that, Perry.

Posted by: Nemo at December 20, 2011 10:00 AM (jUSoZ)

818 So there you have it. If Gingrich is the nominee the media will stress Obama's supposed marital bliss and his two "beautiful children". So if Rick Perry is the nominee it just stands to reason they will stress that Obama is, you know, smart and stuff.
If Mittens is the nomine the media will stress Obama as a firm and principled leader who had to make hard, unpopular choices for the country.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 20, 2011 10:06 AM (AuQqX)

819 @790

Andrew:


The whole problem with your argument is what's the point of unseating the "The One" if the replacement is "Another One" ?


You are making a deep fundamental assumption about something that you appear to use to drive a decision later in your response. And the assumption is simply incorrect. And the conclusion you draw is also incorrect. And your reaction to not having your particular brand of ideology as the front and center candidate ...

... well, if this is how perry-krishnas think, and there are enough of them come election time then we are boned. Will will have failed the mission.

Andrew, a fucking ham sandwich would be better than Obama as president. The mission in 2012 is not to get a conservative in as pres. Its to get Obama the hell out of office and retired onto the links.

If you really, truly care about getting conservative principles in, and this goes for all the rest of you too, who think they really care about this, and yet apparently are willing to actually scuttle chances to fulfill our primary mission, then you will work to get as many TPers into the HOUSE and SENATE as you can. Thats where the legislation gets made, INCLUDING the bills to CUT DOWN THE SIZE OF THE GOVERNMENT. This is NOT DONE IN THE PRESIDENTS OFFICE.


Show me one, just ONE, case in which voting for the so-called lesser of two evils has advanced conservatism. And by conservatism I mean actually reducing the size of federal government... I mean actually making a real shift back towards our founding values of individual liberty and limited government.

Government has not been contracted in many a decade. Because the people in CONGRESS SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY AND DONT SPEND ENOUGH TIME REDUCING WHAT THEY SPEND.

This is not fucking rocket science*. Seriously. Get the TPers into congress, get absolute control over the budget, and the spending processes in CONGRESS. Then it almost doesnt matter who the president is.

But we can't get there if the face we put on this is objectionable to the vast majority of the electorate.

Quoting a good friend, systems designed to fail often do. Don't design our candidate-to-be to fail.


Show me one case.


I'd love to. But we keep electing fucking politicians who think power = money they get to spend. Once we stop doing that, and get more Alan West's, Mario Rubio, yeah, and even the younger Paul in to the congress, thats when we can start to gain control over all aspects of government spending. The president has precious little to do with this apart from asking for a particular budget.


I'm sorry, but I'd honestly rather keep Obama if it's another weak candiate.


And this is why perry-krishnas who think this way will cause all of us to fail. Good fucking job. Real good job there.

"If I can't have my candidate, whom has no chance in hell of winning the general, and I know this too, even though I am ever hopeful that his negatives will magically, through unicorns and pixie dust, turn to positives ... yeah, I think I will not support getting SCOAMF out and just leave him in."

Epic Fucking Failure.

If you are not for getting SCOAMF out, then you are actively supporting his ass. Which, in my mind, is completely unforgivable. If you were male, we'd demand your man-card for this epic failure. If you claimed to be conservative, well son, you've just violated enough of the core values by leaving SCOAMF in office that you'd need to turn that card in as well.


Why? Simple. A house divided is less likely to get anything done.


Why do I have to splain this?

Take over the house, and the senate. And save the goddamned bromides. The budgetary power to increase OR DECREASE the budget is in the HOUSE AND SENATE. The president makes requests. The HOUSE AND SENATE ratify or strike down the budget.



I'd love for the government to be at constant risk of shutting down. I'd love for them to have to constantly have a high fight over raising the debt ceiling every 6 months to a year. Great! With a guy like Romney or Gingrich that won't happen.


I'd love for the government to get smaller fast. To stop spending money on crap we can't afford. To reign in some of the more egregious things (Obamacare, TARP, ...) and to focus upon what it is mandated to do by the constitution. We can't get there without taking over the HOUSE AND SENATE.

And guess what ... put the wrong mofo-candidate in front of the electorate, and it becomes a helluva lot harder to get control of the house and senate.

So grab your damned marbles and go home then. There is no way Perry's gonna rebound enough to take the nomination. And if by some chance, unicorns start farting out pixie dust to enable him to win, Obama will *crush* him in the general, and all of our TPers going to try to take over in the house and senate will also be taken down.

/pissed

Posted by: John Galt at December 20, 2011 10:06 AM (9NQ6I)

820
The funniest thing about this entire defense of Rick Perry is that Ace probably has no idea that everything he wrote here, except for the bit about military service, is exactly what Palin supporters argue.
Nice going Ace. You keep fucking that chicken no matter how embarrassing Rick Perry is every time he tries to spit out a coherant sentence while gesturing like a girl. Rick Perry makes Palin look like a Rhodes Scholar, but you keep hanging onto that Air Force stint.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at December 20, 2011 10:18 AM (4zKCA)

821 This thread is still going? .....Ace musta hit a nerve. Heh.
You know, Palin, Gingrich and Cain.......have all been making a living off of their speaking abilities. Being silver-tongued doesn't mean someone will be a good president.
Palin and Gingrich both share the distinction of having quit their last elective office. ....Whatever their reasons were, they quit. It's not a good thing to have on a resume and the media would trash them for it in the general.
Romney would get trashed for being an "evil millionaire 1%-er who has killed jobs to increase his wealth". .....All that class warfare that Obama has been laying down was calculated to culminate in the election next year.
Bachman and Paul are not bad people. ....But their time spent on the crazy train knocks them out of any serious consideration for a lot of people, myself included.
Santorum is a good guy. ....But he comes across as whiny and nervous, which is a turn off for me, and he probably couldn't even deliver PA for us.
Perry is the guy that could beat the SCoaMF. ....He's got a long history of good executive experience, and he is a veteran. .....People say he's "dumb". Well, if he's so dumb.....then why hasn't the genius Barky McClusterfuck in the WH figured out how to do what Perry has done to foster job creation and an economic boom?

Posted by: wheatie at December 20, 2011 10:47 AM (HvKWW)

822 532 .....How's this for puppeh cuteness?
We support this Rick Perry. He shot a coyote who was threatening one of our kind. We hate coyotes. Coyotes eat Yorkies, when they get the chance.
Death to coyotes!

Posted by: The Yorkie Global Domination Federation at December 20, 2011 10:59 AM (HvKWW)

823 I REALLY wanted to like Perry, but illegal immigration is one of those "litmus test" issues for me, far more than abortion or gay marriage (probably because I live in a border state and have seen my state destroyed) If I see a politician eager to pander to imaginary illegal immigration voters, they're disqualified (which was why I was so against McCain)

Still, I could turn a blind eye IF I thought Perry was a solid candidate that could beat Obama, but I honestly cringe every time I see him. Perry has said some REALLY stupid things like pondering if states should start seceding, or that Social Security is an unconstitutional Ponzi Scheme. Hell, I even agree with both of those, but I also know that Obama would EASILY be able to paint him as a fringe figure with those views.

I am one of those sell outs that values electability. I just want Obama gone and to stop the bleeding, I can deal with the pain of a moderate Republican winning the White House a lot easier than a second term for The One.

Posted by: 8 Track at December 20, 2011 11:42 AM (0kf1G)

824 @8 Track:
I thought the whole thing about the illegals was that it actually only affected a very small group of people (maybe less than 100 immigrants? Anyway, a really small number). Sorry I don't have sources for that, just a vague memory.
The take-away was that Perry just stumbled over the explanation and got painted with soundbites by everyone.

Posted by: SnowSun at December 20, 2011 11:57 AM (UAUr6)

825 SnowSun,

It was enough that Mexican President Vicente Fox thanked Perry for in-state tuition for illegal aliens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2PQ_gU9hN0

The comment from Perry that if you oppose in state tuition for illegals you "don't have a heart" was the last straw.

My biggest problem though regarding illegal immigration is that Perry seemed to really pander, he was against E-Verify, against a border fence, and made several noises that he supported some sort of blanket amnesty.

Look, I'm fully willing to concede that not every GOP candidate is going to be a Pat Buchanan-type on the border. But when I see Southern California and how it has turned into a wasteland because of illegal immigration, it scares me far more than issues like abortion or gay marriage. If this isn't dealt with, Democrats will turn the entire country into California.

If Perry is the nominee, I will of course support him, and admire than he is an unabashed Christian, but outside of my issues with illegal immigration, he's simply unelectable in front of independent voters. Every poll I've seen he's put up "Palin" type numbers against Obama, usually somewhere in the 30's. Just not worth the risk, imo.

Posted by: 8 Track at December 20, 2011 12:20 PM (0kf1G)

826 I've had enough of our party nominating blunderbutt communicators. No to Perry for the nominee.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 20, 2011 12:36 PM (m/TU6)

827 It's a pity he stumbled out of the gate because I think he'd be a big frontrunner by now otherwise.

Actually it was better he stumbled early than after the nomination.


Posted by: tom at December 20, 2011 12:38 PM (ukl9X)

828 In a little over two weeks I will attend the Iowa caucus. I will stand first for Michele Bachmann because I believe she has more balls than all the male candidates combined. She's mad and I want someone who's mad enough to clean house in Washington. If she is not viable (gets less than 15%) I will then move to Rick Perry.

Ace, thanks for the reminder of Perry's term as Lieutenant Governor. I've raised the issue of the weakness in the governor's position often. You provided a nice rebuttal.

Posted by: creeper at December 20, 2011 12:43 PM (gre5a)

829 Eighty-one percent of the jobs Perry created went to immigrants. That and his "don't have a heart" comment ruled him out for me.

Posted by: Rick at December 20, 2011 12:52 PM (CDm+r)

830 >>>Nice going Ace. You keep fucking that chicken no matter how embarrassing Rick Perry is every time he tries to spit out a coherant sentence while gesturing like a girl.

Gee, it sucks she quit twice, then.

Amazing that I keep being blamed for her own decision to quit.

Posted by: ace at December 20, 2011 02:12 PM (nj1bB)

831
Allow me to suggest that whenmatters have devolved to the point thatyour first and best argument for your presidential candidate is that he married his grade school sweetheart, your presidential candidate is well and truly boned.

Posted by: Rich Fader at December 20, 2011 04:03 PM (28QGB)

832 Glad to know there are people still on the Perry train! A+

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2011 06:37 PM (XJwIx)

833 thanks for your information

Posted by: 環保袋 at December 20, 2011 09:20 PM (6NrSU)

834 I think Perry is best too.

Posted by: S. Wolf at December 20, 2011 09:56 PM (25oFj)

835 :-)

Now *I* have hope.

Posted by: fretless at December 21, 2011 12:21 AM (K1jZp)

836 My, what a long post. I haven't read all the comments as they are long too.

Anyway, makes sense to me (just to keep it short).

I like Perry.

Posted by: currently at December 21, 2011 01:53 AM (flA6l)

837 perry would (easily) be painted as W-redux and, while that may appeal to the 'miss me yet?' folks, it ain't gonna fly elsewhere...even for those non-political fly-over dummies you (shamefully) describe. that 'gays, guns, and abortion' stuff doesn't sell like it used to, even with the hicks. besides, one more deer-in-the-headlights moment in a debate and we'll be loooking at another big obama win anyway. maybe perry would make an okay prez but we'll never know cause it's not going to happen.

Posted by: el polacko at December 21, 2011 03:31 AM (tnFrE)

838 Seriously? I was a fan too, at first. Then it came out he used to hunt at a camp called Ni33erhead. Sorry man, that's three strikes and you're out and game over right there. You think he can run against Obama with that? Never. Gonna. Happen. It's nonsense to even waste one millionth of a calorie of energy thinking about it. I don't know why Perry is stays in the race, maybe he wants to pretend to himself that little itty bitty thing like that in his background won't matter? He's not getting honest info from people then. And you want to write how many words, and people leave how many messages, and no one says a peep about it? Is this an alternate universe or something? Sheesh.

Posted by: ain't gonna happen at December 21, 2011 04:28 AM (ZNKzc)

839 Iwould say this is the defintion of uphill and maybe a remake of the movie "300"....TX is doing fine but so far I think 'liberal " moderators could trip him up with "how fast can you drive in a 55 zone?"....Debating may not be what is needed to run the place but thinking is....He still needs to show he can do that.
Having said that, except for worrying about who sleeps with whom in the Miltary, I am pretty much on the same page with him on most issues and Newt and Mitt just don't do it for me.

Posted by: Frany at December 21, 2011 05:24 AM (coVTI)

840 Summarizing the rationale / downsides of the candidates in a soundbite:
Perry: Vote for the dummy! It's important.
Romney:Snowboarding thenational decline!
Bachman: In your heart you know she's smart. In your guts, you know she's nuts... and kinda hot.
Paul: In your heart, you know he's nuts. In your guts, you know he's nuts. But not as nutty as the illuminati and the ZOG...
Huntsman: He Probably Stands for Something.
Santorum: Because you can't handle the truth.
Gingrich: When the national truck runs into a ditch with a flat, what's better than a re-tread to get it going again? Nothing. Have youthought about using carbon nanotubes asthe building blocks of a space elevator in order to build Section 8 housing in low earth orbit, where thekids will have trouble getting out of the house and vandalizing the neighborhood, which we know from Broken WindowsTheory to lead to an increase in crime? And as Alvin Toffler said to me over coffee one day... [Thats just for his bumper sticker. The soundbite will be more detailed]

Posted by: Joe Blow at December 21, 2011 09:19 AM (osx1V)

841 Can't add anything to that brilliance. On media bias in gen election Ace is spot on. For me, it's really simple.When Rick Perry talks about how much he loves this country, I believe him.When Pres Perry travels the world, folks will say that's America right there. I am 100% certain hewould act primarily in America's interest and never apologize for doing so. Unlike other candidates (who mostly seem self-involved) Perry talks about the troops, and always with the heartfeltrespect (troops I work withlove him).Plainspoken Perry, when pressed yesterday to credit Obama w/killing OBL, said "No, I'm prettysure it was Navy Seals." Finally, he's a positive life force. Nothing keeps the man down.I think it's his faith, and I'm inspired by it. (Okay, it doesn't hurt that he's fabulous looking.) I think we need Rick Perry right now. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for Newt, Paul or Romney. We deserve better.

Posted by: carolauren at December 21, 2011 11:57 AM (0AX8H)

842 Very good defense of Perry. You made several important points like:
1. Having actual executive experience as a governor is important, and a clear advantage over Paul, Bachman, and Newt, expecially when the term as governor had very positive results. On this point though, Romney also does well.
2. Having a stable marriage with no personal scandals is good, and a clear advantage over Newt. On this the other contendors are also OK.
3. I like Perrys lines about federalism, making gov inconsequential,keeping taxes low, andabolishing wasteful gov functions, and Perry should repeat them often. I do not like his recent idea of a part time legislature, and his recent suckups to social conservatives.
Perry does have some problems though, which he must overcome like:
1. He does sound dumb in debates. True the dems always say our guys are dumb, but in most cases it is obvious in the debates itis not true, but in this case itdoes look like it istrue. If Perry could give a few more interviews on Fox and explain his positions without sounding dumb, that would help. TV adds adds where he explains some positions and does not sound dumb should also help. Either Romney or Newt completely neutralize this charge.
2. He reminds us too much of Bush. Another heavy Texas accent, another Texas governor, more pandering to socons, also sounds dumb, and more ties to oil company cronies. Right now the country still has a severe case of Bush fatague, and Obama still wants to run against Bush.The less the new contendor looks like Bush the better.

Posted by: richard40 at December 21, 2011 06:13 PM (cQhQZ)

843 Excellent analysis, though I think you underestimate the importance of his federalist impulse, point 4.
Most of the GOP candidates simply want to mold the federal government to their ideal government. Even Paul would simply turn the federal government into a libertarian one, a change which would only last until liberals gained control again. You are correct that Perry is the best bet based upon his ideal government. But Perry is also the only federalist in the race. He would seek to restore the balance between Congress and the States. He, like Justice Thomas, is swinging for the fences.
The link to the Justice Thomas article didnt paste, and Ace doesn't like annoying strings of unbroken text. So query Yoo on Twenty Years of Justice Thomas in the Wall Street Journal.

I think the main problem for Perry is that few understand federalism since it has been mostly dead since the New Deal. (I tried a chocolate-coated miracle pill of a short primer on federalism today. It would take a miracle to work, but I had to try.)

Posted by: AHLondon at January 03, 2012 11:46 AM (X4JNC)

844 Excellent analysis, though I think you underestimate the importance of his federalist impulse, point 4.
Most of the GOP candidates simply want to mold the federal government to their ideal government. Even Paul would simply turn the federal government into a libertarian one, a change which would only last until liberals gained control again. You are correct that Perry is the best bet based upon his ideal government. But Perry is also the only federalist in the race. He would seek to restore the balance between Congress and the States. He, like Justice Thomas, is swinging for the fences.
The link to the Justice Thomas article didnt paste, and Ace doesn't like annoying strings of unbroken text. So query Yoo on Twenty Years of Justice Thomas in the Wall Street Journal.

I think the main problem for Perry is that few understand federalism since it has been mostly dead since the New Deal. (I tried a chocolate-coated miracle pill of a short primer on federalism today. It would take a miracle to work, but I had to try.)
Sorry if this posted twice.

Posted by: AHLondon at January 03, 2012 11:50 AM (X4JNC)

845
I'd be shocked if Perry placed 3rd today.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 03:56 PM (G/zuv)

846 Oh Ace. I admire your persistence but too many people see him as W 2.0.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 03:57 PM (RD7QR)

847
I'm still trying to grasp the reality of that old fool Ron Paul coming in 2nd...or even 1st today.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 03:57 PM (G/zuv)

848 I'm in for Perry.


Posted by: mpfs at January 03, 2012 03:58 PM (iYbLN)

849 Barack Obama is (still) a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)

850
Ron Paul doing well in any primary makes us look like assholes.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 03:58 PM (G/zuv)

851 And is "bump" AoSHQ-ese for "double-post on purpose?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)

852 I'm in the tank for Perry.
FIFY ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 03:59 PM (sbV1u)

853
1000th!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:00 PM (G/zuv)

854 Ron Paul doing well in any primary makes us look like assholes.
Ron Paul holding elected office anywhere outside of Lilliput makes us look like assholes.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:00 PM (sbV1u)

855 Yes, Perry had all of that going for him and still managed to blow it. That just proves the point that he is not the best candidate.
2012 is a must win for the GOP. Perry is an excellent executive but we need a winner. Perry is not a winner. He blew the primaries.

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 03, 2012 04:00 PM (phzv/)

856 And if that don't grab you Iowans out there, just get a load of these Herman Cain hotel receipts from 15 years ago!

Posted by: Rick Perry at January 03, 2012 04:00 PM (s3+ua)

857 Vote Mittens - Because we can't do better.

Posted by: Mittens 2012 at January 03, 2012 04:00 PM (7BU4a)

858 Mitt Romney 2012- What says "success" like a 1-Term Governor (who failed to win election to Senate in the same state)?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 04:01 PM (8y9MW)

859 I'm sorry, Ace, but in the Information Age, communication is key, and Perry just ain't got it. A candidate who can't articulate a message to the American people is destined to lose no matter how strong his credentials or his platform.

His favorables are in the dumper and half the country thinks he's a gay-bashing idiot hayseed. That translates to unpopularity, and that translates to four more years of Obama.

Posted by: Lou at January 03, 2012 04:02 PM (xp1pq)

860 Go Perry!
I'm praying that there are enough people in these early primary states who see what a good president Perry would make.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:02 PM (oPkw3)

861 Just went over to Drudge's caucus and voted for Perry. Paul is way ahead. no surprise, the poll is easy to spam. I found that it's possible to vote from my laptop, Andriod, and Blackberry because every vote should count!


Posted by: Willy at January 03, 2012 04:02 PM (imBmy)

862 His favorables are in the dumper and half the country thinks he's a gay-bashing idiot hayseed. That translates to unpopularity, and that translates to four more years of Obama.
^^This.
Which is why it will be Mittens by a nose for the nomination
We're so boned.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:03 PM (sbV1u)

863 Vote Mittens - All the Obamanomics you want, with none of the FLOTUS

Posted by: Mittens 2012 at January 03, 2012 04:03 PM (7BU4a)

864 Vote Mittens - Conservativism is so last Century.

/Ezra Klein this one goes out to you

Posted by: Mittens 2012 at January 03, 2012 04:04 PM (7BU4a)

865 FWIW, Rush was talking up Perry quite a bit today.

Posted by: Countrysquire for Perry at January 03, 2012 04:05 PM (QB3JR)

866 Hey I married the girl I went to day camp with when we were both 5. What does that get me?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:05 PM (i6RpT)

867 I plan to vote for Perry this month in FL's primary..only once, though..lol

Posted by: Willy at January 03, 2012 04:05 PM (imBmy)

868
Sorry, but I have to do it...



Rick Perry is our rock star.Can he sustain it? Or will this weekend be the climax of his campaign?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:09 PM

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:05 PM (G/zuv)

869 Hey I married the girl I went to day camp with when we were both 5. What does that get me?
I dunno, is she hot?
I'll give you $27.95 for her. Deal?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (sbV1u)

870 From your fingertips to God's ear. GO PERRY!

Posted by: suzyq at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (R/EIU)

871
And on the Second Day, Soothsayer had the answer to the question:

Today will be remembered as the climax of Perry's candidacy.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 13, 2011 03:40 PM

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (G/zuv)

872 HOLD FAST

Posted by: toby928 Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at January 03, 2012 04:08 PM (GTbGH)

873
Gov.Perry is the only well qualified candidate. Big plus,his military service! In any ways,"OMG" (obummer must go!)...
None of thelegislative part of the gov.are qualified to run a country and there ought to be a law preventing them from running.

Posted by: IKWill at January 03, 2012 04:08 PM (HkrXj)

874 He blew the primaries. Isn't the first one today?

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (WkuV6)

875 I like Perry as my #1, Romney as my #2.

ABO 2012

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (baL2B)

876 Hey I married the girl I went to day camp with when we were both 5. What does that get me?

I dunno, is she hot?

I'll give you $27.95 for her. Deal?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:06 PM (sbV1u)

And you pay her Master Card Bill?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (i6RpT)

877 ""Barack Obama did not serve in the military.""


Thats because when he was of age he was in indonesia and the pansy ass couldn't lift the scimitar.

Posted by: Berserker at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (FMbng)

878 Once, twice, three timmmmmeeessssss uhhhh, ahhhhhhhh, uhhhh

Gimme a sec here....

Posted by: Rick Perry Sings Lionel Richie - By Request Only at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (a4lmz)

879 Thank you ace

Posted by: phoenixgirl... all in for perry at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (CIPvL)

880 What happens if Romney wins? We'll have a wobbly congress and a
president that is more like to temper their already insufficient
half-measures. He'll be the "bipartisan" president that "compromises"
and "represents all Americans", which as we all know is New Speak for
ineffective legislation and incremental leftism. Result: DOOM.

Mitt and Ann were in Laura Ingraham's show today. Laura asked Mitt if he would be a transformative president or a moderate go-along-to-get-along president. He immediately said he would be transformative. He may really believe it, but I sincerely doubt it. I listened to the interview trying to get one bit of support worked up in my system and it just didn't happen. At all.

I'm for Perry and will remain so.

Posted by: Lady in Black ~ still carrying a torch for Perry at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (ycuSb)

881 Drudge's Poll has Perry behind the other two not Romneys and Ron Paul - C (razy)


Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (7BU4a)

882 He blew the primaries. Isn't the first one today?
Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:09 PM (WkuV6)
Yeah, I think he meant to say, "the debates" not the primaries.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:11 PM (sbV1u)

883 Wait, this movie was released in December?

Posted by: fluffy at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (O6q63)

884
Please tell me more of the awful things that will happen under a President Romney.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:12 PM (G/zuv)

885 half the country thinks he's a gay-bashing idiot hayseed. So that means the normal half of the country is with him. Given today's electoral college, that means victory.

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (WkuV6)

886 He immediately said he would be transformative.

I will totally be transformative. Obamacare? Totally going to rename it. EPA? Totally going to not, not, not change course. Spending? I promise to cut at least $100 a year. I don't even like arugula with my waygu!

Posted by: Mittens at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (7BU4a)

887 868 Hey I married the girl I went to day camp with when we were both 5. What does that get me?
These days, that would get you put on the Sexual Predators List.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (oPkw3)

888
Alls I know is that President Romney means there is no more Obamamuthafucka in the White House.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (G/zuv)

889 Choosing Mitt Romney (a man who won 33% of the elections ) for electability is like choosing Newt Gingrich for fidelity or Rick Perry for debate acumen.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (TpXEI)

890 See.....President Obama's policies and economic strategy is working in Texas!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (48wze)

891 OMG!
SOAMFMG!
I wish Ace was able to give me a warm fuzzy on Perry. It's funny that he has been a stern "electability" guy but Perry has the problem of being a little too W right now in impressions.

I guess some important questions are, aside from Jobs and Supreme Court Justices, are:

immigration. 100K a month? really? from where, somalia and other hell holes? why?
illegal immigration. 10 million, 20 million, no one knows, and Perry seems to be squishy here, but demographics are destiny. But so are fences.

Wall St. It seems that Obama the Populist is actually owned by Goldman Sachs, and there is concern that Romney will be the same thing. As a conservative, i like wall st because it's fluidity and freedom, not because it's too big to fail. fuck em. Maybe Perry can avoid being bought by Wall St., so we don't by 29% of a bank for 100% of value again.

Can Perry deliver?

Posted by: joeindc44 - slightly mellowed tebow crazed rioter at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (QxSug)

892 Thats because when he was of age he was in indonesia and the pansy ass couldn't lift the scimitar.

Posted by: Berserker at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (FMbng)
Oh, I wouldn't say Barry can't handle a blade.

Posted by: Kal Penn at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (7BU4a)

893 883
Drudge's Poll has Perry behind the other two not Romneys and Ron Paul - C (razy)

Paultards can go on there and vote multiple times. Spam the poll dudes!

Posted by: Willy at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (imBmy)

894 Go Perry. His army is going crazy today. or so I hear.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (FKQng)

895 Thanks Ace, the bumper sticker is STILL on, waiting for SC.

Have no hope for Iowa or NH.


Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (hXJOG)

896 And you pay her Master Card Bill?
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:10 PM (i6RpT)

Deal.
Can't be any worse that on the one I signed up for with my wife.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (sbV1u)

897 Cue the dog whistle for the snotty, insane Paultards. Hey, we're all on the same team, and if you disagree, you're a poo-poo head.

Posted by: Fritz at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (/ZZCn)

898 890

Alls I know is that President Romney means there is no more Obamamuthafucka in the White House.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (G/zuv)
Yeah. If Mitt can defeat the SCOAMF then I'm willing to lay there and think of England during the primaries.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (RD7QR)

899 Please tell me more of the awful things that will happen under a President Romney. Go to the Boston Herald, and behold

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (WkuV6)

900 Good for you.

He still has my vote assuming he makes it to Super Tuesday.

Otherwise, it's *vomit*... Mittens.

Sigh.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (pLTLS)

901 Perry is going to be humiliated in Iowa with a poor finish, he wont be a factor in New Hampshire, but hell have resurgence in South Carolina. Lucky for him, hes got the money to stay in.
Its a shame Perry doesnt have one defining moment in his past that people could point to show he has what it takes to do the right thing. If he did, one could overlook his inability to think and speak.

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (8moZm)

902 Can't be any worse that on the one I signed up for with my wife.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (sbV1u)


Wanna bet? Would be a good talk to have at the Bar one day with the booze flowing

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (i6RpT)

903 Choosing Mitt Romney (a man who won 33% of the
elections ) for electability is like choosing Newt Gingrich for fidelity
or Rick Perry for debate acumen.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:13 PM (TpXEI)
Uh. Well, he's got nice hair.

Posted by: The RNC's hard working staff at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (7BU4a)

904 Oh, I wouldn't say Barry can't handle a blade.
Posted by: Kal Penn at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (7BU4a)
Ah ha! Thought you would get me that time, did you?
Thanks to life here at AoSHQ, I have learned NEVER to take a sip of soda and then immediately read the threads.
I have thus preserved this keyboard to fight another day. Nevertheless, well played sir...well played.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (sbV1u)

905 and starring Ted McGinley as Rick Perry...

Posted by: GOP Primaries: The Movie at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (a4lmz)

906 Dear Iowa Republican Caucus-goers.... http://t.co/11jrhX7P

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (0xqzf)

907 I just came.

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:17 PM (zLeKL)

908 Wanna bet? Would be a good talk to have at the Bar one day with the booze flowing
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:16 PM (i6RpT)
If you're not in the mid five digits...you're a piker.
But, let's get a beer anyway.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (sbV1u)

909 Yeah. If Mitt can defeat the SCOAMF then I'm willing to lay there and think of England during the primaries.


Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:15 PM (RD7QR)
Vote Romney, I believe in lube.

Posted by: Mittens 2012 at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (7BU4a)

910 On a completely random note... I was walking through the lobby of the office where I work, and FOX News is on one of the TVs (it usually is). Rick Santorum was on, and I was struck by how much he looks like Jerry Seinfeld.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

911 I think the vagaries of the Utah caucus system will mean that I won't get to vote for Rick in the primary, but I'll continue to toss him some bucks and support him. And, I will go to my caucus and voice my support for him amongst a sea of Romney supporters and (no doubt) some Paulbots. That's all I can do.

He may have made some missteps during the campaign (although nothing of note lately), but none of that changes who he is at his core and what he's accomplished. Nor have any of the things his opponents have said about him, here or elsewhere, amounted to much of anything.

My support for Rick Perry is based on is record and his commitment to reducing the size and scope of the federal government. He's the only non-Paul candidate who will trim the federal government at all. And, frankly, I trust his instincts on the big things. I think he'd be a great Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (5H6zj)

912
Are you shitting me?

If Snooki beats Obama we'll ALL be balls deep in pudding on election night.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (G/zuv)

913 Go to the Boston Herald, and behold
Howie Carr or Tim Murray?

Posted by: fluffy at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (O6q63)

914 I'll vote for Rick Perry if he's still around in March.

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (I2LwF)

915 Rick Santorum was on, and I was struck by how much he looks like Jerry Seinfeld.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (8y9MW)


Not that there is anything wrong with that

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (i6RpT)

916 dodged the draft, using political connections to secure a higher draft number.

Ace that is wrong. Clinton was not in the lottery. He simple skipped his physical and ignored his letter to report AFTER he had been called. Then he had Fulbright's people cover for him. He was a pure draft dodger. He simple waited out the war and his local draft board did not prosecute him for it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at January 03, 2012 04:20 PM (hXJOG)

917
Balls and ovaries deep, that is.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:20 PM (G/zuv)

918 Not that there is anything wrong with that

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:19 PM (i6RpT)
Hey, did I hear my name?

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 03, 2012 04:20 PM (7BU4a)

919 Howie Carr or Tim Murray?
Posted by: fluffy at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (O6q63)
I miss Boston...the town.
But I don't miss Massachusetts.
Howie just tore him a new one. Nice.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (sbV1u)

920 Oh, I wouldn't say Barry can't handle a blade.


Posted by: Kal Penn at January 03, 2012 04:14 PM (7BU4a)

I think when Barry did coke, he used a razor blade. That's what you are talking about, right?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at January 03, 2012 04:21 PM (hXJOG)

921 Obama's a closeted homosexual.

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (I2LwF)

922 We got Romney because the PTB decided it would be Romney, and they know from watching enough American Idol how to get voters to vote the way their betters decide they should.
Perry never stood a chance. We know that now, but it was nice to hope for a while there.

Posted by: Burt TC at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (TOk1P)

923 Personally I think endorsements can have weight. In Perry's case the lack of endorsements from his own state has surprised me even though I knew he is not the most respected person to have held the Governorship.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (hWRjQ)

924 If Snooki beats Obama we'll ALL be balls deep in pudding on election night.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (G/zuv)
If John Kerry the Willard beats Obama (which, given his electoral history, is doubtful), that's like the devil switching from shoving pineapples up your ass to dragonfruit.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (TpXEI)

925 A local pol told me, if you're going to run for office, you need to get your face out there. For city council, you should have been speaking out at public hearings at shit, a long time before youactually file. That way at least some people have a clue who you are and might support you.

Same thing, Perry needed to be speaking out about national issues a long time before now. Like Reagan on the rubber-chicken circuit before he was elected. It helps to not be in office anymore..but Perry could have been taking shots at Obama and getting known before now. Most people outside of Texas don't know who the hell he is.

Posted by: Jeanne! at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (GdalM)

926 What Perry needs is a TV ad from ACE in each state holding a primary.

Where's the PayPal account to block Rove's ad slots for Romney?

Posted by: OnlyWayOutIsToVote at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (/MuFf)

927 The neocons still have hope for their dead candidate that failed at every debate. How cute.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (WAcAY)

928 My support for Rick Perry is based on is record and
his commitment to reducing the size and scope of the federal
government. He's the only non-Paul candidate who will trim the federal
government at all. And, frankly, I trust his instincts on the big
things. I think he'd be a great Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:18 PM (5H6zj)
This sums it all up perfectly for me, right down to trusting his instincts; I said the same thing to my husband last week. I'd only add he also gives me the decency vibe I like to get from a candidate. I get that from Mittens, too, which may be the only saving grace in having to vote for him if it comes down to it, other than the ABO factor.

Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (SsG4J)

929 Its a shame Perry doesnt have one defining moment in his past that people could point to show he has what it takes to do the right thing The real shame is that when the poll leaders, Mittens and Paul, had defining moments they did the wrong things. Mittens could have vetoed RomneyCare, Paul could have shitcanned his newletters -- but they didn't. Hell, every time Perry returned his crew, cargo, and passengers safely to the ground - he did more "right things" then any other candidate in the race.

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (WkuV6)

930 Gee, I go out for a sammich and we got a 1000 post thread. Were there titties?

Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (No3Dd)

931 Perry has my vote unless he isn't on the ticket come Super Tuesday. Then, I guess, I'll vote for Newt.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (xSHjK)

932 903.....Its a shame Perry doesnt have one defining moment in his past that people could point to show he has what it takes to do the right thing. If he did, one could overlook his inability to think and speak.
Perry stood up to the pressure from both the UN Obama, this year.....and went through with the execution of an illegal alien who had raped and murdered a teenage girl.
Perry took in thousands of refuges from New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. ....He didn't have to. But it was the right thing to do.
Perry volunteered for military service. .....He thought serving his country was the right thing to do.
Perry has a long history of doing the right thing.....when he didn't have to. .....A longer history than your Saint Sarah.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (oPkw3)

933 I'm still favoring Perry, because I pretty much would prefer to stay home then vote for any one of the rest of the nominees.

Posted by: The PenIs Mightier at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (phlKA)

934 923
Obama's a closeted homosexual.

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:22 PM (I2LwF)

Yeah, but he's not a jooo, he's Muslim.

Posted by: Audit the Fed at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (hXJOG)

935 Governor Perry is a great leader and will make a wonderful President.

Posted by: Baileyc at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (FGq5b)

936 929
The neocons still have hope for their dead candidate that failed at every debate. How cute.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (WAcAY)
Hey Ron, tell us about the Reptilian Illuminati Jew gold. Is it scaly?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:26 PM (RD7QR)

937 The neocons still have hope for their dead candidate that failed at every debate. How cute.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (WAcAY)

Hey Auric, when you bought Father Paul's book, did he ask for payment in gold or that currency he thinks is so worthless?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (TpXEI)

938 Gee, I go out for a sammich and we got a 1000 post thread. Were there titties?
Posted by: nickless at January 03, 2012 04:24 PM (No3Dd)
Yep and then Palin announced her candidacy. It was epic!

Posted by: ErikW at January 03, 2012 04:27 PM (tM+Q/)

939 The neocons still have hope for their dead candidate that failed at every debate. How cute.
Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:23 PM (WAcAY)
The only people who support Ron Paul are those who are just as mentally deficient as he is.
Little known fact, the AMA recently declared that when used by Ron Paul, and only Ron Paul, the acronym M.D. means "Mentally Deficient."
It's true! look it up!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (sbV1u)

940 I'm trying to imagine how all of Hillary's supporters felt, when it started to become clear that Obama would be the nominee.

It's not really the same is it?

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (ybkwK)

941 Being a lifelong Minnesotan I'm torn over which professional wrestler or comedian I should support on caucus day.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (SY2Kh)

942 Yep and then Palin announced her candidacy. It was epic!

I heard it was a topless, candidacy announcement

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (WkuV6)

943 Is this still The Twilight Zone Marathon?
WTF?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 03, 2012 04:29 PM (HBqDo)

944 Very well put, Sir. Very Well, indeed.
Have we sent the Perry Campaigna link to this post, yet?
Susan Lee

Posted by: Susan Lee at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (k5BL6)

945 Yep and then Palin announced her candidacy. It was epic!

Then about an hour later she decided that she was "okay with the candidates" and changed her mind.

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (zLeKL)

946 RELEASE THE PAULTARD!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (0yt4x)

947 My copious savings has been transferred to silver. I willfeast when hyperinflation ruins all of you.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (WAcAY)

948 Perry took in thousands of refuges from New Orleans after hurricane
Katrina. ....He didn't have to. But it was the right thing to do.

It may have been the decent thing to do, but "right" is not the best choice of word.

Posted by: The Rapidly Rising Crime Rates of Springfield MO, Houston, and Little Rock at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (SsG4J)

949 When will we start seeing some voting results from Iowa? Anybody know?

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (xSHjK)

950 949, I converted mine to lead, please send me your address

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (WkuV6)

951 903 -
Jwest, you are just the kind of idiot who keeps repeating how dumb Perry is every chance you can get. You're either the very type who is too stupid to see beyond those beauty contest "debates" or you know you are wrong, and keep repeating it anyway, hoping someone will finally listen to you.
What did Perry do to you, shoot your dog? Steal your girl? Or keep her from getting in the race?
Hmmm, I wonder...

Posted by: Burt TC at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (TOk1P)

952 When will we start seeing some voting results from Iowa? Anybody know?
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (xSHjK)


As soon as we find the key to the trunk of that dodge dart parked out behind that we just found

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:31 PM (i6RpT)

953 BTW, does this post constitute Ace's resume for Perry's spokesperson?

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:32 PM (WkuV6)

954 My copious savings has been transferred to silver. I willfeast when hyperinflation ruins all of you. look for a silver buyer when I actually want to buy something and need money.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (WAcAY)
Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 03, 2012 04:32 PM (TpXEI)

955 We should see some Iowa results right after the Sugar Bowl is wrapped up. At least, that's when I will be looking.

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:32 PM (I2LwF)

956 If anyone is interested, Ulsterman Report (yeah, I know)has a long list of connections linking Nor Luap to George Soros. WINNING!

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at January 03, 2012 04:33 PM (fYOZx)

957 949
My copious savings has been transferred to silver. I willfeast on the brains of the living when hyperinflation ruins the zombie apocalypse consumes all of you.

Posted by: Dr. Ron Paul at January 03, 2012 04:30 PM (WAcAY)
FIFY.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:34 PM (RD7QR)

958 They haven't even started voting yet, in Iowa, have they? .....I heard it starts tonight.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:34 PM (oPkw3)

959 Current TV has an all-star lineup including Jennifer Flowers, Cenk Yogurt and...Al Gore!

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (zLeKL)

960
Were her boobs okay?


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (G/zuv)

961
A classic.

My Boobs Are OK


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (G/zuv)

962 961
Current TV has an all-star lineup including Jennifer Flowers, Cenk Yogurt and...Al Gore!

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (zLeKL)
So they're using it to induce narcolepsy?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:36 PM (RD7QR)

963 They go there at about 6:30, start stainding their heds around 7, finish up around 10 or 11, and then the results are taken to a secret location to be counted until wthey get the right results-- Romney winning. It could take until 2 AM local time. Which is 3 on the East coast.

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:37 PM (I2LwF)

964 The Soros connection wouldn't surprise me.....there is a shared common bigotry bond there, to put it mildly.

Posted by: The Rapidly Rising Crime Rates of Springfield MO, Houston, and Little Rock at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (SsG4J)

965 What with all the skin eating, we forgot about the love.

Posted by: toby928 Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (GTbGH)

966 961 Current TV has an all-star lineup including Jennifer Flowers, Cenk Yogurt and...Al Gore!
Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:35 PM (zLeKL)

Whichwill Gore ask to release his second chakra during the commercial breaks?

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at January 03, 2012 04:38 PM (fYOZx)

967 Soona, I think FoxNews said their live on-site coverage starts at 6, with votes being tallied starting around 8 PM Eastern. His actual prediction for when we'd know a winner was something like 8:51 PM. Time for me to head out and grab some beer. Totally dropped the ball on that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (Qjh0I)

968 They haven't even started voting yet, in Iowa, have they? .....I heard it starts tonight.
Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:34 PM (oPkw3)

Are the fucking Iowans afraid of the daylight? Or are they afraid thatthe Paultards actually did take over their primary?

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (xSHjK)

969 Rick perry sounds like a stroke victim.

Posted by: Lem. at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (h/Ope)

970 Its a shame Perry doesnt have one defining moment in his past that people could point to show he has what it takes to do the right thing. If he did, one could overlook his inability to think and speak.

He hired one hell of a fine ghost writer for his book "Fed Up!". I'm voting for that guy.

Posted by: wooga at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (vjyZP)

971
US blames Egypt NGO crackdown on 'Mubarak holdovers'
Published: 01.03.12, 23:20 / Israel News


The United States stepped up its criticism of Egypt's raids on pro-democracy groups on Tuesday, saying the crackdown was "unacceptable" and driven by remnants of former President Hosni Mubarak's regime.

"We had been assured by leaders within the Egyptian government that this issue would be resolved, that harassment would end, that NGOs would be allowed to go back to business as usual and that their property would be returned," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. "It is frankly unacceptable to us that that situation has not been returned to normal." (Reuters)


????The US is blaming Mubarak for this?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (i6RpT)

972 Cenk Yogurt
Twink Gogurt?

Posted by: wooga at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (vjyZP)

973 Are the fucking Iowans afraid of the daylight? Or are they afraid thatthe Paultards actually did take over their primary?

If a caucus really takes a couple of hours or more, it's probably because roughly 80% of them still have jobs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at January 03, 2012 04:40 PM (8y9MW)

974 Perry has a long history of doing the right thing.....when he didn't have to. .....A longer history than your Saint Sarah.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:25 PM (oPkw3)
Perry was the natural next choice for me, until he opened his mouth and tried to talk.
Palin had the moment when she could have just cruised along collecting a check as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission, but she quit to expose the corruption. From that incident, I knew she would do the right thing regardless of the circumstances and so I was able to overlook her faults.
Why go into an election defending an inarticulate stumblebum who almost tries to make people believe hes an idiot?

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (8moZm)

975 Although I must admit that Rick Perry's dog was intensely cute as a puppy.

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (RD7QR)

976 I like Perry too, he would be a far better president than Obama and Newt too. Unfortunately I don't think he can win the general election. Hell, he can't even close the deal with Republicans.

Romney is the only candidate who is truly ready to mount a national campaign. Polls have shown he can beat Obama.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (9zzk+)

977 Are the fucking Iowans afraid of the daylight? Or are they afraid thatthe Paultards actually did take over their primary?
Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:39 PM (xSHjK)

It's Republicans- they work for a living. If it was a dem caucus, they'd hold it around 1pm when obama's children roll out of bed.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (fYOZx)

978 Failed Promises: Iowa Edition

Posted by: M80B at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (d6QMz)

979 I'm with you Ace. Of those that are left, Perry is the one.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (ZDUD4)

980 "Its a shame Perry doesnt have one defining moment in his past that
people could point to show he has what it takes to do the right thing"

Tort reform? He's actually won a number of fights. A lot of people think he was just sitting around going with the flow in one of the last sane states, but that's not really true.

Unfortunately, without a conservative nominee, I think the GOP will lose the election.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (rQ/Ue)

981 Thank God for Ace and his tree-killing posts. With this thick tome beside me, I won't have to stop on the way home, and buy TP.

Posted by: Spicy Meatball at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (yn6XZ)

982 Hell, he can't even close the deal with Republicans.

That is the single most ridiculous thing I've ever read on the eve of the Iowa caucuses.

Which candidate, pray tell, has closed the deal with Republicans?

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (5H6zj)

983
Using a different font makes your comment sound like it's in a foreign accent.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:43 PM (G/zuv)

984 970......Are the fucking Iowans afraid of the daylight? Or are they afraid that the Paultards actually did take over their primary?
They don't even treat it like a Primary, Soona. ......Because it's not.
They 'votes' are non-binding. Which means they can be changed later. .....They have to be very careful to not treat it like a Primary, or they would lose half of those precious 28 delegate votes in the National Convention.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (oPkw3)

985 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet

*furiously waves 'hi'*

Hi!! Where have you been?!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM (pLTLS)

986 What, no Gennifer Flowers jokes?

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (zLeKL)

987
1000th!


Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (G/zuv)

988 Using a different font makes your comment sound like it's in a foreign accent.
Posted by: soothsayer

Chicks dig foreign accents. And scars, they love scars.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 04:45 PM (ZDUD4)

989
Not if the accent is Canadian.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (G/zuv)

990 Why is Drudge promoting Paul? With an easily spammable internet poll, no less...

Posted by: packsoldier at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (EH4fE)

991 It's cracking me up with all the comments about Perry being a dumbass yokel that can't speak. We've got a stuttering clusterfuck in the White House, but somehow, Perry is worse.

Have you not seen him speak anywhere OTHER than the fucking debates? Without a teleprompter?

If you don't like Perry, that's fine, but come up with a substantial reason other than "he's a dumb hick from Texas."

Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (UK9cE)

992
he does it for teh clicks

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (G/zuv)

993 1000th!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (UK9cE)

994 Uh, what the fuck? WH to Boehner: Ditch the GOP and vote with the Dems.

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (zLeKL)

995 Damn.

Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (UK9cE)

996 What do you win for being #1000?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (FUYSU)

997 1000th!!!!

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (zLeKL)

998 It's Republicans- they work for a living. If it was a dem caucus, they'd hold it around 1pm when obama's children roll out of bed.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at January 03, 2012 04:42 PM (fYOZx)
Just in time for the ACORN busses to show up and take them to the polls.
After that they hold a free crack and cigarettes buffet as a thank you.

Posted by: ErikW at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (tM+Q/)

999 Romney wants the job just a little too enthusiastically for me. This suggests he's a closet masochist and into some twisted shit.

Anyone who'd gleefully walk into the clusterfuck this nation has become has something wrong in their head.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (hVnJ9)

1000 aWWW!

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (zLeKL)

1001 O/T:
Military expert with explosives in airport was in prior incident
His story doesn't sound credible to me.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (5H6zj)

1002
1000th!!!!

Posted by: Sponge

I already called it. Twice.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (G/zuv)

1003 Hi!! Where have you been?!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 03, 2012 04:44 PM

Hi Hon, I'm writing a Novel. It's called Amy Lynn. My wife yelled at me yesterday for turning myself into a freaking recluse. I lurk occasionally. Where the hell did all of these seminal posters come from?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (ZDUD4)

1004 i i iUn mil!!!

Posted by: Truman North at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (I2LwF)

1005 What do you win for being #1000?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:47 PM (FUYSU)
Crack and cigarettes?

Posted by: ErikW at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (tM+Q/)

1006
MIX!

Posted by: soothsayerus vindictus at January 03, 2012 04:48 PM (G/zuv)

1007 Why go into an election defending an inarticulate stumblebum who almost tries to make people believe hes an idiot?
Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 04:41 PM (8moZm)

It's obvious to me that yourcommenting from someone else's talking points. If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that he does very well in interviews and tv ads. He's had some gaffes, but so has everyone else, whichseems to be something that many people seem to exclusively forget.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (xSHjK)

1008
MX!

Posted by: soothsayerus vindictus at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (G/zuv)

1009 It's gotta be Perry. The man shot a coyote for cryin' out loud! SCFOAMF just shoots evil looks at BIBI.

Posted by: jr at January 03, 2012 04:49 PM (uzbYw)

1010
Perry's record is not only successful - it's current. He's been under the microscope of politics years and his character and record have stood up to the scrutiny. None of the other candidates even come close.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (jx2j9)

1011 Holy shit! Do the morons know Ace has a radio show?

Looks like with some pretty hot chicks too!

http://tinyurl.com/6nm7qaq

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (hXJOG)

1012 990, and money

Posted by: Jean at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (WkuV6)

1013 We wrote a song about this subject: "I've Got Your Job Creation Right Here; Now Get On Your Knees, Whore!"

Posted by: Steel Panther at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (RtpCp)

1014
Rick Perry was so mean he once shot a coyote for crying out loud.

Posted by: hand-tooled saddle leather soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:51 PM (G/zuv)

1015 Where's MY thread???...and keep your filthy, Joooo hands off of my GOLLLLD!!!

Posted by: RON PAUL! at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (60EzG)

1016 1014 990, and money
Posted by: Jean

Yep, that doesn't hurt. But usually they marry the money and have sex with the guy that has an accent and scars.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 04:52 PM (ZDUD4)

1017 Fuck Perry and jobs he had you DEEPTHROATING that CORNDOG.
You know it, we all know it.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (G6kli)

1018 "
If you don't like Perry, that's fine, but come up with a substantial reason other than "he's a dumb hick from Texas."


Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (UK9cE)"
they have to keep saying because it's one of those concepts that becomes true the more you say it. Everyone gaffes. Romney said Asia was a country and he couldn't employ illegals anymore because he's running for office "for pete's sake". Focus on gaffes selectively, and suddenly the most competent executive in the race is too stupid to tie his own shoes.There is no argument FOR Romney. The only card he has is to tear others down via intermediaries and fanboys.Another concept is electability. If everyone just agrees to reject the best guy because he's not electable, well I guess he is at that point. If everyone acts like one of the worst candidates in inevitable and we have to unify NOW before any primaries are even over, as Romney's supporters have been saying for some time, well, I guess he wins then.We could just look at the performance of these candidates. It's less dramatic, though. Not even a contest. Perry is clearly the guy with the best record. Romney is the guy with the worst record. Newt and Santorum are in between. Bachmann has yet to accomplish anything, which is a lot better than accomplishing shit like Romneycare and gun control. Ron Paul is an idiot.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (rQ/Ue)

1019 Rick Perry's favorite band is Steel Panther

Posted by: izoneguy at January 03, 2012 04:53 PM (i6Neb)

1020 "Fr Rick Perry" is a lesser-known bagatelle of Beethoven's ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (FUYSU)

1021 But Ace, he's unelectable now. I want him on the ballot in VA but he's done.

Posted by: SarahW at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (LYwCh)

1022 I am for Jon Huntsman (the smart one).

Posted by: Clarence at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (z0HdK)

1023 See now, I hear the National Anthem and it gives me goose bumps... every time. Makes my chest swell with pride as I hold my hand over my heart, watch our flag wave in the breeze, and think about how damn lucky I am to have been born a citizen of these United States. I feel like Rick Perry gets those goose bumps too... every time.

As far as policy, like ace said, keep it simple stupid. Take these 4 items and run with them. Heck just getting jobs going in the US will make a world of difference.

I'm in Florida. If he's still in it, he's got my participation in his campaign and my vote.


Posted by: jawanna at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (bj+Nc)

1024 Remember "Rick Perry facts"? Those were the days...

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:54 PM (zLeKL)

1025 Holy shit! Do the morons know Ace has a radio show?Looks like with some pretty hot chicks too!http://tinyurl.com/6nm7qaq


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at January 03, 2012 04:50 PM (hXJOG)


She's the only reason I watch the victory lane celebrations. SMOKIN hot.


Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (UK9cE)

1026 Perry Compares Beating Obama to Defeating the Nazis
Rick Perry compared the GOP's efforts to defeat President Obama "to one of the deadliest battles of the D-Day landings in Normandy in 1944," NBC News reports.

Said Perry: "This election is about stopping a president of the United States and his administration that is abusing the Constitution of this country, that is putting America on a track to bankruptcy. It is a powerful moment in Americans' history, and you are on the front lines. This is Concord. This is Omaha Beach. This is going up the hill realizing that the battle is worth winning."

I understand where Perry is trying to go with this, but those are just lousy analogies that have no place in a Presidential Campaign. Sometimes I think Perry is an idiot

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (i6RpT)

1027 976.....Why go into an election defending an inarticulate stumblebum who almost tries to make people believe hes an idiot?
You've got your blinders on, Jwest. ......Even Palin has had her "inarticulate stumblebum" moments. And the people who look for reasons to hate her, have compiled them all somewhere.
But since I don't hate Palin....I actually like her, for the most part.....I haven't chosen to dwell on those moments when she embarrassed herself.
Her taking so long to make a decision on whether to run, though.....that doesn't bode well for someone who might be asking for a job which requires split-second decision making.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (oPkw3)

1028
Get back under the stairs, Clarence.

Posted by: hand-tooled saddle leather soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (G/zuv)

1029 1024
I am for Jon Huntsman (the smart one).

That would be Jon Huntsman, Sr., then.

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (5H6zj)

1030
Clarence's ass has the look and feel of hand-tooled saddle leather.

Posted by: Time-Life Soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (G/zuv)

1031 1024 I am for Jon Huntsman (the smart one).
Posted by: Clarence

So your the guy that likes him. I was wondering who you were. Must be lonely.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (ZDUD4)

1032 Oooooh an illiterati! Guess we'll have to put pants on now!

Good luck on the novel!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 03, 2012 04:56 PM (pLTLS)

1033 I am an Iowan caucusing for Perry for reasons that Ace outlined above.

I think he is the one of the candidates I would most prefer to be president and I think he is as electable as anyone, although for the purposes of rhetoric, I'd defer to Romney supporters on the electability of their guy.

He is also the only not-Romney who makes sense as a protest candidate and the only not-Romney who has a chance to defeat Romney. Nobody else does.

Bachmann and Huntsman are going nowhere and will be out by February.

Santorum is as squishy as Romney on a whole host of issues, but because he didn't get the media anal exam, we are unaware of much of it. I'm willing to excuse the Specter endorsement based on party loyalty and Santorum's closeness with unions to a lesser extent, but if Romney is a liberal bridge too far, what is Santorum?

Paul has a whole host of problems, including his friendship with truthers, racists and anti-Semites and dissembling about it is just beyond the pale. But consider this: He's done absolutely nothing. 30 years in Congress and he does nothing but pontificate as to what he's against.

Gingrich is the interesting case. He's done more for the conservative cause than anybody in the race, but has done a number of high-profile things that indicate that his first instinct isn't conservative. He's also chock full of knowledge. Newt loves Newt. He does a decent Hamilton, but we need a Washington. Newt needs an individual (or a caucus) to tell him, "Thanks, Newt, but that's a terrible idea. Pitch us your next one though, OK?" He's also personally less likable than Romney or Perry.

Romney's problems are well-established. I think people on blogs overestimate his RINOishness, but he is not a doctrinaire conservative. He is smooth, eloquent and -- let's face it -- even less robotic than Obama. It's true. But without significant pushing, he will play the "normal times" politician and not push back against Obamanism too hard. I think he will try to repeal Obamacare and his judges will be good to very good. I think he'll also try some dime-store liberalism like "no child left behind" which will infuriate us.

Perry's fault is his inarticulateness. And after GWBush, that's a big hurdle. But he's good in interviews and in speeches. In fact, Perry's very good in interviews. Romney didn't do so well against Baier and that's problematic.

Suffice it to say that Reagan is not running and I don't know how universally-loved he'd be in this media environment anyway. I want to move the ball forward for the conservative team. So even if you think we're going to get the Romney-bone in the end, I'd rather have the protest vote go to Perry anyway.

But I do think that Perry has a shot of winning this thing and that's why I'm caucusing for him tonight.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (73tyQ)

1034
Clarence's buttocks has been featured in Gay Times magazine.

Posted by: Time-Life Soothsayer at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (G/zuv)

1035 I supported Rick Perry since the beginning and I will continue until he wins or says I quit. Hang in there Ace.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (79SNs)

1036 That pretty much leaves intelligence. I want to see them try that now. I would back Perry just to see them try.
Remember, these are the people that convinced America that the Snowbilly didn't have the experience to be vice president despite executive experience as a governor while SCOAMF was perfectly (andI do mean perfectly) qualified despite having no executive experience (or any experience in the real world) whatsoever.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2012 04:58 PM (jUZRg)

1037 Tonight is the night that my main man stuns the world.
Are you ready forthe Alan Keyes Experience?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (OWjjx)

1038 This might be a dumb question: do I have to be a citizen to vote in a primary election? I mean, I'm not voting for the President, I'm voting for who I want the President to be. Probably not.

Posted by: Joffen at January 03, 2012 04:59 PM (zLeKL)

1039 1034 Oooooh an illiterati! Guess we'll have to put pants on now!

Good luck on the novel!
Posted by: laceyunderalls

Thanks Hon. It might just end up being twisted gibberish. But I have a book in me and like the bad guy in the opening scene of Dirty Harry, I gotsta know.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (ZDUD4)

1040 "This is Concord. This is Omaha Beach. This is going up the hill realizing that the battle is worth winning."



I understand where Perry is trying to go with this, but those are just
lousy analogies that have no place in a Presidential Campaign. Sometimes
I think Perry is an idiot

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (i6RpT)
Note he said "Concord" as well, yet MSNBC didn't compare it to the American Revolution. They're trying to stir up shit, as you know.
Martial analogies have been made since the beginning of time and you can thank Mr. Spielberg for Omaha Beach being the quintessential image of a difficult climb.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (73tyQ)

1041 Crikey! Ace write that while he was on the can?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (PAyD5)

1042
nood post

Posted by: Time-Life Soothsayer at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (G/zuv)

1043 It is a powerful moment in Americans' history, and you are on the front lines. This is Concord. This is Omaha Beach. This is going up the hill realizing that the battle is worth winning." I understand where Perry is trying to go with this, but those are just lousy analogies that have no place in a Presidential Campaign.
He meant "Obamaha Beach."

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (jUZRg)

1044 But I do think that Perry has a shot of winning this thing and that's why I'm caucusing for him tonight.


Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (73tyQ)
--------------hows the ground look?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (FKQng)

1045 May the marginally less terrible candidate win, and good luck.

Posted by: Emperor of Frumcream at January 03, 2012 05:01 PM (epBek)

1046 If you don't like Perry, that's fine, but come up with a substantial reason other than "he's a dumb hick from Texas."

Posted by: Sponge at January 03, 2012 04:46 PM (UK9cE)
Nobody says it better than Ace.
Go back, reprint his endless columns on Palin and just substitute Perrys name. It gets frustrating trying to reeducate the world on what the truth actually is as opposed to the popular misconceptions.

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (8moZm)

1047 It is a powerful moment in Americans' history, and you are on the
front lines. This is Concord. This is Omaha Beach. This is going up the
hill realizing that the battle is worth winning."

I understand
where Perry is trying to go with this, but those are just lousy
analogies that have no place in a Presidential Campaign.

That's fine, but where can we insert that he said something bad about BLACK people?

Posted by: MSNBC at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (UK9cE)

1048 But I do think that Perry has a shot of winning this thing and that's why I'm caucusing for him tonight.
Posted by: AmishDude

You go Amish Dude, put my support in your pocket.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (ZDUD4)

1049 You know you wanna click it.

Posted by: Hot Nekkid Chicks at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (yn6XZ)

1050 Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 04:57 PM (73tyQ)

Thanks for doing that. Good luck persuading people!

Posted by: Y-not at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)

1051

He hired one hell of a fine ghost writer for his book "Fed Up!".

I don't particularly care for that phrase to describe my craft. When assembling coherent passages to create some sort of imagined emotional attachment between an alcoholic parent and the abandoned child of a short-lived sexual relationship, I prefer to be referred to as "some guy from the neighborhood."

Posted by: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers at January 03, 2012 05:03 PM (phlKA)

1052 He can't debate. Remember the media slobbering over Dear Leaders debate skills. Now turn it up to eleven. Then tell me about Perry's electability.

Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (hC5jI)

1053 I have been for Perry from the beginning, and I appreciate this post a lot, but it is true that Perry getting the nomination will be hard. His name is mentioned so much less often than the other candidates, that a lot of people are probably unaware that he is running. There seems to be a concerted effort on the part of the MSM (including Fox) to keep Romney, Paul and Gingrich top of mind.

I have a personal rule that if a movie is over advertised, it probably sucks. Good movies rely on word of mouth. Romney is way over advertised, and I think the MSM has been pushing Paul just to give Romney a little competition, but no real threat. Perry would threaten Romney, so Perry has to be ignored.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (6IV8T)

1054 I am enjoying the spectacle of Gingrot's self immolation, I must admit. He is the sleaziest pol since Joe McCarthy.

Ron Paul is just batshit crazy - not sleazy like Noot.

I feel your pain, gentlemen.

Posted by: Clarence at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (z0HdK)

1055 You go Amish Dude, put my support in your pocket.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at January 03, 2012 05:02 PM (ZDUD4)
Is that Oldsailor's support in your pocket, or do just really like Mentos?

Posted by: The freshmaker at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (yn6XZ)

1056 Said Perry: "This election is about stopping a president of the United States and his administration that is abusing the Constitution of this country, that is putting America on a track to bankruptcy. It is a powerful moment in Americans' history, and you are on the front lines. This is Concord. This is Omaha Beach. This is going up the hill realizing that the battle is worth winning." I understand where Perry is trying to go with this, but those are just lousy analogies that have no place in a Presidential Campaign. Sometimes I think Perry is an idiot
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 04:55 PM (i6RpT)

You're the one that's sounding like an idiot now.This next election is a turning point in American history. We stand and fight for freedom now like those warriors in the battles he mentions, or we lose our Constitutional way of life. Andit's going to take a lot ofcourage to do it.
Somehow I don't think you're up for it.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (xSHjK)

1057 hows the ground look?


Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 03, 2012 05:00 PM (FKQng)
Sorry, I'm just showing up, I'm not a volunteer. Rick has effective, polished ads and Ron Paul's robocalls and ads have been bashing Gingrich for a while and now Santorum, so Rick's been escaping that.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (73tyQ)

1058 1035 I am an Iowan caucusing for Perry for reasons that Ace outlined above.
Nice post. .....And bless you, Amish Dude.

Posted by: wheatie at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (oPkw3)

1059 1054
He can't debate. Remember the media slobbering over Dear Leaders debate
skills. Now turn it up to eleven. Then tell me about Perry's
electability.

Posted by: Big T Party at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (hC5jI)
Betcha Perry kicks ass on a one-on-one debate. Nonetheless, I'd rather see him in a debate with just 2-3 other guys.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2012 05:08 PM (73tyQ)

1060 996
Uh, what the fuck? WH to Boehner: Ditch the GOP and vote with the Dems.


They are pushing the meme that Boehner could pass supposedly popular measures (i.e., Obama's agenda) if he freed some moderates in the conference to vote alongside a majority of Democrats. The Democrats know Boehner would never employ this tactic because it would cause him to be toppled, so it feeds into their meme that Boehner is captive to the conservative elements of his conference.

Posted by: M80B at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (d6QMz)

1061 You're the one that's sounding like an idiot now. This next election is a turning point in American history. We stand and fight for freedom now like those warriors in the battles he mentions, or we lose our Constitutional way of life. And it's going to take a lot of courage to do it.

Somehow I don't think you're up for it.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 05:07 PM (xSHjK)

I'm all up for it and unlike many I never threatened no to vote for whomever the Republican Candidate is ultimately ( save paul ). But using battles and iconic moments in History when American Soldiers, Sailors and Marines died in Battle is improper in my opinion.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (i6RpT)

1062 I'm sorry, Ace, I'm sorry. I really wanted to believe in Perry. For a time, I predicted he'd be the consensus candidate we could all get behind and support, onward to victory against Obama this year.
And then he just continued to disappoint. Again and again and again.

Posted by: Vyceroy at January 03, 2012 05:10 PM (mqy6N)

1063 The big giant steaming issue in the whole big middle of this is Romney's Mormonism. I live in Tulsa, Oklahoma, as you might have guessed from my posting name, so I know from evangelicals, charismatics, fundamentalists, and Pentecostals. When I lived on a nearby lake, my home was directly across the street from a home owned by Oral Robert's daughter. The new President of Oral Roberts University lives in my current neighborhood. I work with people who moved to Tulsa to go to Rhema Bible College, for goodness sake. These people take their Christianity more seriously than you can possibly imagine. These people are not being vocal about it, but, for the most part, they will not be voting for a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints at the top of the ticket. They are too polite to say it, but, it is a fact. That is not going to matter in Oklahoma because the Republican will win the state, but, it is, for sure going to matter in other states. I am not saying that Romney does not have Freedom of Religion--he absolutely does--but other people practicing their own Freedom of Religion have the right to not vote for someone based on that person's religion.

Posted by: SherryG_Tulsa at January 03, 2012 05:13 PM (kXoT0)

1064 Um, Ace, I've been running the numbers here and I'm thinking we have a lot of dead people commenting on this thread.
The math just doesn't work.
Some of this had to have spent some time in the trunk of an old Buick.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (HBqDo)

1065 To paraphrase a popular blogger, at some point you folks swept up in this Perry cult need to face reality.
I know you dont want to believe the polls and I understand that you think if people would just stop and read the record, they couldnt help but be impressed by Perry. But thats not how it works and Perry is now known as an idiot.
Look, I know Perry is good guy, competent leader and solid conservative. But whether it was the press, his competition or totally self-inflicted, Perry blew his chance. Time to get over it and find someone new.

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 05:17 PM (8moZm)

1066 I'm all up for it and unlike many I never threatened no to vote for whomever the Republican Candidate is ultimately ( save paul ). But using battles and iconic moments in History when American Soldiers, Sailors and Marines died in Battle is improper in my opinion.
Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 05:09 PM (i6RpT)

You comment like you're absolutely sure that there's not going to be any lives lost when we try to take this country back from the leftist/communist stranglehold. Plus there's people from other parts of the world who will do anything to keep us from becoming strong again.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (xSHjK)

1067 Ace, you make a very good case. And if you were a speech writer or a TV commenter talking about Perry (which, incidentally, I think you'd be great at), I think it could actually make a difference. Unfortunately, it comes down to the candidate -- who simply cannot articulate this (or really any) argument on his own. I like Perry a lot, and I was really pulling for him before he jumped in. However, it's just been one disappointment after another. As a new england conservative... I mean, I don't want another 4 / 8 years where the debate is over whether or not our president is mentally retarded, or just an idiot. I don't know what's in the water in the governors mansion in TX, but speaking in complete sentences, and remembering lists with more than two bullet points is a very basic tenet of being an adult, much less being a president.

Of course I'd support him over Obama, but... I don't know, I'm lost at this point. Not sure who to support.

Posted by: Timin203 at January 03, 2012 05:20 PM (QrQus)

1068 Ace,

Let him go.

I know it hurts. You'll spend a few nights crying in your pillow. You'll miss the sweet, sweet feel of his manly hands clutching your buttocks.

But it's time to move on now.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:21 PM (niZvt)

1069 TL;DR for the second time.

4th place, if he's lucky.

Posted by: Bob Oblaw at January 03, 2012 05:22 PM (h+Di7)

1070 ....MSM has been pushing Paul just to give Romney a
little competition, but no real threat. Perry would threaten Romney, so
Perry has to be ignored.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at January 03, 2012 05:05 PM (6IV8T)
Same with the "Santorum Surge", even though Perry's w/in the margin of error with RS.

Posted by: observer at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (qLt2k)

1071 "Look, I know Perry is good guy, competent leader and solid conservative. But whether it was the press, his competition or totally self-inflicted, Perry blew his chance. Time to get over it and find someone new."
You're probably right, but it's not like Perry's fans are cultish (like Romney's sometimes are). They just have standards. If you insist on someone with a proven conservative executive record, well, the list is real short. Perry is not ideal, but he passes the obvious test.Getting over it is important, I agree, so we do not wind up with Romney being the last man standing, all split apart supporting guys in vain only to realize many were better than what we wound up with. I hope that is the effect of the early contests. I hope conservatives unify and settle. Maybe settle for Perry despite his flaws, maybe for Santorum I guess, or more likely, settle for Newt despite his flaws because he is the most conservative guy who can win (this is very unfortunate).

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:23 PM (rQ/Ue)

1072 You comment like you're absolutely sure that there's not going to be any lives lost when we try to take this country back from the leftist/communist stranglehold. Plus there's people from other parts of the world who will do anything to keep us from becoming strong again.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 05:19 PM (xSHjK)


I don't know were you get that from? I just dont' think it is proper to use the Sacrifice of the American Military for Political Purposes. Period.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 03, 2012 05:24 PM (i6RpT)

1073 Chuck Norris allows Ron Paul to live.......for now

Posted by: Chuck Norris's Right Bicep at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (YUwuZ)

1074 But jwest, Ace said he was giving it the college try. A lot of Perry's fans are noting this is a very uphill battle. How is that cultish?

Romney's doing worse than he did last time, has poured oodles more money into being president, dedicated his life for most of a decade to ONLY this, and has an awful record. Not all of his fans are fanatical about it, of course. Many are fine. But pay attention and most of the guys trying to catch flies with vinegar are the Donald Frums and Meghan Mccains who have so much contempt for conservatives but tell them they are morons if they don't back Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:26 PM (rQ/Ue)

1075 Iowa is not the state for judging a candidate's electibility. Neither is NH. SC and FL will be the primaries of candidatedecision making.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2012 05:27 PM (xSHjK)

1076 "

Let him go.





I know it hurts. You'll spend a few nights crying in your pillow.
You'll miss the sweet, sweet feel of his manly hands clutching your
buttocks.





But it's time to move on now.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 03, 2012 05:21 PM (niZvt)"
Like that. Who wants to support Romney when his fans are like that? I don't. I could never volunteer for a campaign stuffed with pricks like this either, and I always volunteer for presidential candidates. Because it's usually fun with like minded people who don't hate your guts.
Romney as nominee would not be a lot of fun for the GOP with people giving the TEA party tough love every five minutes. Newt would be much easier.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:28 PM (rQ/Ue)

1077 Here's a show-stopping problem: Perry advocates using state coercion to force rape and incest victims impregnated by their attckers to carry to term, should Roe v. Wade be repealed. And how would that work, exactly? The threat of felony murder or manslaughter charges should rape and incest victims go forward with an abortion anyway?
And those independent voters we will need so badly in what is certain to be a close election, the independents who might support a Perry candidacy otherwise, all things considered? Those votes are lost the moment Perry reiterates his absolutist position on abortion--a position, I might add, not taken by any modern GOP nominee or incumbent in modern memory. Be sure the Democrats will exploit this for all it's worth in order to shore up President Obama's faltering support among women.
To put the issue into perspective, Sarah Palin and her husband briefly considered terminating the pregnancywhen they discovered Trig was a Downs Syndrome child. That's how far out Perry is on this issue. His position may fly in evangelical, pro-life Iowa but it'll go down like a lead duck in a general election campaign, guaranteed.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2012 05:28 PM (vtiE6)

1078 I love being told how fringe my position is.

Posted by: Y-not, dirty papist at January 03, 2012 05:31 PM (5H6zj)

1079 Dustin,
Im just enjoying the schadenfreude of the moment.
Ace spent countless hours hunched over his keyboard ripping Palin apart, using every liberal talking point and feigning breathless frustration that everyone who supported her had to be an unthinking cultist. He couldnt believe that people thought that if the truth just came out, people could change their minds about the caricaturethe press had made of her.
Now Perry is in a position where it would be helpful if the base rallied around him and fought back at the bad impression hes made.
Good luck with that.

Posted by: jwest at January 03, 2012 05:37 PM (8moZm)

1080 "Perry advocates using state coercion to force rape and incest victims
impregnated by their attckers to carry to term, should Roe v. Wade be
repealed. And how would that work, exactly?"

?

Perry's focus is spending reform, getting government out of the way, and limiting congress's sessions so that our country can come back to life organically. This is what worked in Texas.

Roe v Wade is bad law. Romney, Harvard Law Grad (just like Obama) used to claim Roe v Wade is an example of good law, but anyone reading it can see this makes Romney an idiot of a lawyer.

But this is a wedge issue. We shouldn't define Perry or Santorum by social issues. Some think they have done this themselves, but it's not true. They talk mostly about economic solutions, and the media keeps finding its way to the wedge issues.

"Im just enjoying the schadenfreude of the moment. "Well, whatever works for you. It's not a big deal... just internet debate, but cult? No. Ace has been a realist about Perry pretty much the entire time.
"Ace spent countless hours hunched
over his keyboard ripping Palin apart, using every liberal talking point
and feigning breathless frustration that everyone who supported her had
to be an unthinking cultist. "This is some kind of vengeance thing? Ok, dude. I'm a Palin fan AND a Perry fan. I'm surprised most Palin fans don't root for Perry, but I think they realize that Perry had a better record, and his running crowded her out, and so some actually dislike Perry for being too similar to Palin that they couldn't both run.Short term, that's understandable. Long term, it's petty and could lead to a nominee like Romney.I'm actually surprised to see people bringing Palin up at this point.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:48 PM (rQ/Ue)

1081 "Perry advocates using state coercion to force rape and incest victims impregnated by their attckers to carry to term"

That's not something he actually wants. It's just the rapid far left wing's way of forcing people who think fetuses are people to prove they are logically consistent. Of course people think murder is worse than... things that are horrible but not as bad as murder. That is not a scandal.

And I believe most people suggest states coming up with their own abortion laws, usually punishing the provider of the service if it is outlawed. Do you really not know that? I doubt it.

But if you're voting in this primary with social issues on your mind, maybe you should consider that we're running a trillion dollar deficit and the republic might not last our lifetimes if we nominate another RINO.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:51 PM (rQ/Ue)

1082 I sincerely hope he can pull it off, though my hopes are few. He's been my guy since before he entered the race, and it was more than a bit disappointing to see what happened during the debates and all of the punditry thereafter.

I'd still take him over anyone else.


Posted by: tdpwells at January 03, 2012 06:03 PM (7vA7k)

1083 1070
Ace,


Let him go.


I know it hurts. You'll spend a few nights crying in your pillow.
You'll miss the sweet, sweet feel of his manly hands clutching your
buttocks.


But it's time to move on now.

Oh hush now, podner. Ace and Erickson and I are tighter'n a Texas mockin'bird wrapped around the blade of one'a them wind turbines I subsidized. They're good fellers, don't sit on the checks forever, fantastic in a three-way. I ain't never had any complaints about the hands.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian. But you don't need to be in the pew every Sunday to have Transformations.

Posted by: Rick Perry at January 03, 2012 06:12 PM (yBtkG)

1084
Ace-
You seem to downplay Perry's service as a C-130 Pilot. Sure he didn't get to go fast with a blast like the jet jockeys toolin' in their F-whatevers, but some of the missions a Herc driver could have got them closer to the shit so they could get the beans and bullets to the grunt on the ground.
The C-130s were famous for their gallantry in Viet Nam at the battle of Khe Sahn That was supposed to be America's Dien Bien Phu, but the tenacity of the USMC supported by the logistics brought in by C-130s turned the enemy's planfold.
I always appreciated the demeanor of the C-130 pilots. They're very level headed and they're not prima donnas. They're the pilots who get 'er done.

Posted by: Minuteman at January 03, 2012 06:12 PM (acEq7)

1085 http://pointsandfigures.com/2012/01/03/a-case-for-rick-perry-or-mitt-romney/

answered Ace here, but not a put down, just a thought

Posted by: Jeff at January 03, 2012 06:16 PM (qkzQ/)

1086 and here's undead to show us how Romney fanatics attempt to catch flies with vinegar. It's all this hatred of that "aggie fuck" undead hates so much he would campaign for Obama, and then get caught lying about it over and over again because he is a coward and can't apologize when he knows he's wrong. Even now, he's obsessed, long after Perry is obviously not a major factor.

Can undead now demand anyone support Romney if he's the nominee? Not honestly. So yes he can.

Religious bigotry too? Well done, undead. I'm sure you'd react just the same if someone bashed Romney for being a Mormon. Oh wait, no you wouldn't. You would think that is bad.


Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 06:19 PM (rQ/Ue)

1087 Palin - 20% nationally = unelectable.
Perry - 7% nationally = winner.
I think ace has his first second and third order informations stuck in his arse.

Posted by: Lem. at January 03, 2012 06:22 PM (h/Ope)

1088 As long as Perry can hit around 12% or so he can go to SC and make a do or die stand there.
He'll need to turn in a great effort this Sat. in the next debate.

Posted by: jjshaka at January 03, 2012 06:25 PM (8tae+)

1089 "
Palin - 20% nationally = unelectable.
Perry - 7% nationally = winner.
I think ace has his first second and third order informations stuck in his arse.


Posted by: lem at January 03, 2012 06:22 PM (h/Ope)"
And yet he's not saying Perry is going to win. He's saying he's making a last ditch effort.

Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 06:27 PM (rQ/Ue)

1090 I made my own case for Perry here.

Posted by: Lawrence Person at January 03, 2012 06:47 PM (eRpHv)

1091 If Rick Perry could get a vote for every "Rick Perry has my 'support', but he is unelectable.", or "I really like Rick Perry and his record, but...." , I bet he could win the nomination. I think that would take him a long way in a debate or two with Obama, as Rick Perry would be more likely to show his preparation and kick O's ass, if O would even dare to consent to debate him.

Posted by: jem at January 03, 2012 06:49 PM (0oYHO)

1092 Geez, what a mess.
Goin' back to Canada...

Posted by: backhoe, Hobbit tea-roar-ist of Doom at January 03, 2012 06:59 PM (QROim)

1093
I honestly don't see how Perry's position on abortion in the case of rape is to be dismissed as something that would be a minor bump in the road should he be nominated.

The SCOAMF ads will practically write themselves. That is an extreme position, even among Republicans in general. Among independents it will be catastrophic.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at January 03, 2012 07:07 PM (gsO2s)

1094 This isnt american idol or dancing with the stars - admit you like perry because he's handsome and has good hair.

Posted by: Lem. at January 03, 2012 07:09 PM (h/Ope)

1095 Katrina Trinko over at the NRO - The Corner shed a bit of sunlight on Perry; excerpt:

"Perry was joined by Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal, who energetically praised him. This elections not about speaking styles or debating styles. Its about who has the right vision and the leadership skills to direct our country, Jindal said.

Rick Perry has stood up and offered detailed plans about a smaller central government, he added. Hes offered detailed plans for how we can restore our freedom, live within our means, preserve those opportunities for our children and grandchildren."

Love that Jindal, too.

Posted by: plsVote at January 03, 2012 07:10 PM (/MuFf)

1096 Hmmm... More Perry support at the NRO: The Corner:


Keep an Eye on Perry
ByRobert Costa
January 3, 2012 5:30 P.M. Comments0
Pema Levy reports:

So far, Rick Perry has reported having the most precinct captains with over 1,500 pledged to support him. Thats more captains than their are precincts because even though there are 1,774 caucus precincts, they are often combined so the actual number of locations will be around 900. Ron Paul has reported 1,480, also enough to have a captain present at each precinct as well. And Rick Santorum, whos grassroots efforts have served him well thus far, says he has over 1,000 captains. Romneys campaign has not divulged how many pledged representatives they have. A few days ago, Gingrichs campaign told the Washington Post they were close to 1,000.

Posted by: plsVote at January 03, 2012 07:16 PM (/MuFf)

1097 "But if you're voting in this primary with social issues on your mind, maybe you should consider that we're running a trillion dollar deficit and the republic might not last our lifetimes if we nominate another RINO.
Posted by: Dustin at January 03, 2012 05:51 PM (rQ/Ue)"

Social issues are, in fact, the farthest thing from my mind. The whole abortion absolutist stance postulates a hypothetical situation, one in which Roe v. Wade is successfully repealed. That isn't the point: the point is Rick Perry brought it up--he's the one who dove into social con issues in an attempt to generate evangelical support in the Iowa caucuses. So instead of talking about the economy, the economy, the economy, which is his strongest, winning suit, Perry instead decides to take a controversial, polarizing stand on the abortion issue.

As an aside, yes, I am opposed to the use of the coercive power of the state to force rape and incest victims to carry to term. Advancing pro-life legislation and promoting repeal of Roe v. Wade is not accomplished by taking an immovable, even impossible position at the outset.

It was an unforced error, and Perry keeps making them.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2012 07:33 PM (YCeSE)

1098
Thanks for the bump Ace.

Posted by: concrete girl at January 03, 2012 07:55 PM (1lBFa)

1099 Americas toughest sheriff, Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., is knee-deep in the fray in Iowa, speaking once again on Tuesday on behalf of his chosen Republican candidate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

- Daily Caller excerpt

Perry's got a whole lot of character and strength backing him up.

Posted by: plsVote at January 03, 2012 08:58 PM (/MuFf)

1100 With apologies to Monty Python. This is a take down of a failed candidacy.

-----

A customer enters a pet shop.

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(The owner does not respond.)

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this candidate which I supported not half an hour ago at this very blog.

Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Rick Perry...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's chances are dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's regrouping.

Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead candidacy when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Owner: No no he's candidacy's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable candidate, the Rick Perry, idn'it, ay? Beautiful ideology!

Mr. Praline: The ideology don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the stage) 'Ello, Mister Rick Perry candidate! I've got a lovely fresh endorsement for you if you
show...

(owner hits the blog)

Owner: There, his polls moved!

Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the blog!

Owner: I never!!

Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!

Owner: I never, never did anything...

Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the blog repeatedly) 'ELLO CANDIDATE!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

(Takes candidate out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead candidacy.

Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!

Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?

Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Rick Perry's stun easily, major.

Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That candidacy is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged debate.

Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the ranch.

Mr. Praline: PININ' for the RANCH?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back in the polls the moment I got 'im home?

Owner: The Rick Perry prefers keepin' its poll numbers low! Remarkable candidate, id'nit, squire? Lovely ideology!

Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that candidate when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting as high in the polls as it had been before falling over in the
first place was that it had been NAILED there by blogs like ACE OF SPADES.

(pause)

Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that candidate down, he would have nuzzled up to the white house, and
VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this candidacy wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's candidacy's bleedin' demised!

Owner: No no! 'E's pining!

Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This candidacy is no more! His candidacy has ceased to be! 'E's candidacy's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's candidacy's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
candidacy rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the blog his candidacy's be pushing up the daisies! 'Is candidacy's metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's candidacy's off the twig! 'E's candidacy's kicked the
bucket, 'e's candidacy's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-candidacy !!

(pause)

Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh,
we're right out of candidates.

Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.

Owner: I got a Ron Paul.

(pause)

Mr. Praline: Pray, does it make any sense whatsoever?

Owner: Nnnnot really.

Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)

Mr. Praline: Well.

(pause)

Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?

Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

Posted by: John Galt at January 03, 2012 09:52 PM (80GjT)

1101 Ace, it's too bad you weren't Perry's campaign manager. You've done a much better job advocating Perry than Perry did himself.

Posted by: Worf the Wonder Klingon at January 04, 2012 01:22 AM (wL5Cc)

1102 Sorry Ace, but you got Aggied

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at January 04, 2012 06:03 AM (z8HSj)

Posted by: df at January 06, 2012 04:45 AM (USJCT)






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