Only Ron Paul Can Restore America To Its Former Greatness*
* For Some Definitions of "Greatness"

The kindly old goblin just wants a return to the America of his youth.

This “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism” was hardly the first time one of Paul’s publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled “What To Expect for the 1990s,” predicted that “Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’” Two months later, a newsletter warned of “The Coming Race War,” and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, “If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it.” In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” “This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter predicted. In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter’s author--presumably Paul--wrote, “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.”

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The newsletters were particularly obsessed with AIDS, “a politically protected disease thanks to payola and the influence of the homosexual lobby,” and used it as a rhetorical club to beat gay people in general. In 1990, one newsletter approvingly quoted “a well-known Libertarian editor” as saying, “The ACT-UP slogan, on stickers plastered all over Manhattan, is ‘Silence = Death.’ But shouldn’t it be ‘Sodomy = Death’?” Readers were warned to avoid blood transfusions because gays were trying to “poison the blood supply.” “Am I the only one sick of hearing about the ‘rights’ of AIDS carriers?” a newsletter asked in 1990. That same year, citing a Christian-right fringe publication, an item suggested that “the AIDS patient” should not be allowed to eat in restaurants and that “AIDS can be transmitted by saliva,” which is false. Paul’s newsletters advertised a book, Surviving the AIDS Plague — also based upon the casual-transmission thesis--and defended “parents who worry about sending their healthy kids to school with AIDS victims.” Commenting on a rise in AIDS infections, one newsletter said that “gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense,” adding: “[T]hese men don’t really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners.” Also, “they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick.”

Ron Paul claims he didn't write this stuff, which I can believe, mostly.

But he also claims he wasn't aware what the newsletters published in his name, supposedly written by him, were saying.

There are a lot of people who find it implausible that Barack Hussein Obama didn't know the basic tenor of the Reverent Wright's sermons of hatred. It is unlikely in the extreme, they reason, that Obama could have missed each one of Wright's hateful, anti-semitic seethings -- these statements were too pervasive to believe he just happened to miss every single one of them.

Well, the old-line racist/neoconfederate ravings in Paul's newsletters (for which he was paid; people paid for this, and he profited) were more pervasive.

Furthermore, these missives were written with a specific goal in mind: creating a "paleoconservative alliance" between libertarians and old-time neoconfederates and former Klanners.

Does Doctor Paul seriously expect us to believe he wasn't even aware of the basic ideological line his newsletters were peddling? He claims he didn't even have that minimum level of editorial knowledge?

A line here or a line there, I could understand. But we are talking here about the basic thrust of his newsletters, which were paranoid, survivalist, racist, anti-semitic, and homophobic. All that's missing is some anti-Catholic agitation and he's got the full Klanner set covered.

"The Coming Race War"?

Was it just the newsletters? No, of course not. It was not just the newsletters.

Paul is closely con­nected to the Lud­wig Von Mises Insti­tute, founded by the lib­er­tar­ian con­ser­v­a­tive Mur­ray Roth­bard and cur­rently run by Lew Rock­well. Rock­well was for­merly Paul’s chief of staff.

...

For Roth­bard, free­dom was best when it wore pants: he blamed the “ori­gins of the Wel­fare State” on “the legion of Yan­kee women, in par­tic­u­lar those of mid­dle– or upper-class back­ground, and espe­cially spin­sters whose busy­body incli­na­tions were not fet­tered by the respon­si­bil­i­ties of home and hearth.” He regret­ted the Con­sti­tu­tional amend­ment that had “imposed” women’s suf­frage on the nation.

In 1963, for exam­ple, at the height of the Civil Right move­ment, Roth­bard warned about “the negro cri­sis as a rev­o­lu­tion.” “Demon­strat­ing Negroes,” he said, “have taken to a favorite chant: ‘What do we want? Free­dom! When do we want it? Now!’” One might expect a lib­er­tar­ian to like such a chant, but Roth­bard found the idea of free­dom for negroes alarm­ing: they did not under­stand it prop­erly. Free­dom was a “hope­lessly ambigu­ous word as used by the Negro move­ment,” and “the very fuzzi­ness of the goal per­mits the Negroes to accel­er­ate and increase their own demands with­out limit… it is the very sweep and vague­ness of the demands that make the move­ment insatiable.”

An insa­tiable desire for free­dom usu­ally stands in lib­er­tar­ian accounts as the most praise-worthy of human attrib­utes, but Roth­bard found the African Amer­i­can free­dom strug­gle alarm­ing. Roth­bard wor­ried not just about “insa­tiable” negroes, but also about King and his non-violent protests against “pri­vate cit­i­zens as store-keepers or own­ers of golf courses; their rights are already invaded, in a “non-violent” man­ner, by the estab­lished Negro ‘Cen­ter’.” Roth­bard explored ways to stop “the negro rev­o­lu­tion:” his words are worth quot­ing in full.

There are two ways by which it might be crip­pled and defeated. First, the retal­ia­tory cre­ation of a white counter-revolutionary mass move­ment, equally deter­mined and mil­i­tant. In short, by the re-creation of the kind of Ku Klux Klan that smashed Recon­struc­tion and the Negro move­ment in the late 19th cen­tury. Since whites are in the major­ity, they have the capac­ity to do this if they have the will. But the will, in my opin­ion, is gone; this is not the 19th cen­tury, nor even the 1920’s. White opin­ion, as we have seen, has dras­ti­cally shifted from racism to egal­i­tar­i­an­ism; even the South­ern whites, par­tic­u­larly the edu­cated lead­er­ship, con­cede the broad merit of the Negro cause; and, finally, mob action no longer has respectabil­ity in our soci­ety. There have been attempts, to be sure, at mass counter-revolutionary white action: the Ku Klux leader in Geor­gia told a rally that “we must fight poi­son with poi­son,” armed con­flict between white and Negro mobs has bro­ken out in Cam­bridge, Mary­land, and white hood­lums have repeat­edly assaulted Negro pick­ets in the Bronx. But all this is a fee­ble replica of the kind of white action that would be nec­es­sary to defeat the rev­o­lu­tion; and it seems almost impos­si­ble for action to be gen­er­ated on the required scale.

...

Not sur­pris­ingly, the Von Mises Insti­tute he founded and ran is allied with the “League of the South,” which views the Civil War as a cri­sis over state’s rights and calls for an inde­pen­dent south­ern repub­lic and wants, yes, “to return to a sound cur­rency” based in gold.3 The League of the South laments the fact that “aliens” now gov­ern the for­mer Con­fed­er­acy. It wants to return rule to the heirs of the “Anglo-Celtic tra­di­tion.” Roth­bard and the Von Mises Insti­tute sim­i­larly describe the Civil War as an unjust inter­ven­tion, and claim slav­ery would have van­ished on its own. The North, they argue, cre­ated racism in what had been a benign nat­ural hier­ar­chy

Among the many things I don't believe, I don't believe that Ron Paul is actually "just advising neutrality" on Israel, though he casts it that way. Racists tend to cast their views as "just staying out of squabbles," when in fact they're partisans on one racial team. Likewise Paul, who claims he simply wants to stay out of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, can't help himself from claiming the Israelis are maintaining "concentration camps" and slaughtering Palestinians without provocation.

It just so happens his political positions dovetail with the animosities of his old newsletters (which he had nothing to do with, apart from putting his name on the masthead, collecting subscription fees, and signing lots of articles as "Ron Paul," using the pronoun "I" (as in "I, Ron Paul") as the speaker in most missives, etc.).

Another thing I don't believe is that Ron Paul's thick-as-thieves relationship with fringe lunatic crank and Truther Alex Jones is just some kind of coincidence, given that Paul can't seem to stay away from the ghastly paranoid Here's Alex Jones following around Michele Malkin, shouting at her for being a "neocon" (he has referred to her as a "monster" and "Marxist"). One of his little goon squad there shouts "Kill Michelle Malkin!"

When I say Alex Jones is Truther, I don't mean he flirts with it. I mean he says the United States government loaded the buildings with explosives and detonated them.

And that's not even the craziest thing he believes. He happens to believe that this is just one of many attacks on citizens by the global cabal that runs the world.

The global cabal has a plan, you see. His video "Endgame: The Blueprint for Global Enslavement," explains this plan, which is that the Illuminati/Bildersbergers/Whatever We're Calling Them This Cycle of Paranoia literally intends to kill 80% of the world's population and enslave the remaining 20%.

This is why he calls his show "Prison Planet." He literally preaches that the Global Cabal intends earth to be an actual prison planet, 80% of the population eradicated, 20% working in slave camps for the small cadre of Illuminati Masters.

Don't believe me? Watch.

It is suggested to me, quite seriously, that the fact that Ron Paul just can't quit Alex Jones is merely another coincidence, just another "guilt by association" trick, and that it just must be that both are big fans of the gold standard.

And sure, he won't ask Stormfront (the Neo-Nazi group) to stop fundraising for him, or including his link on their web-pages, and he won't return that sweet sweet Nazi gold either.

Just a coincidence. He's just that principled. Or something. He, like, steals from the Nazis. Like Clint Eastwood in Kelly's Heroes.

Because I believe in being fair, I will include some positive information about Ron Paul.

He recently picked up a key endorsement, a bellwether of true conservative thought:

Noted conservative thought-leader Andrew Sullivan has endorsed him. Again.

Of capital importance to Andrew Sullivan is that Ron Paul doesn't have Obama Derangement Syndrome, as other conservatives do.

And I see in Paul none of the resentment that burns in Gingrich or the fakeness that defines Romney or the fascistic strains in Perry’s buffoonery. He has yet to show the Obama-derangement of his peers, even though he differs with him. He has now gone through two primary elections without compromising an inch of his character or his philosophy.

And no one seems to care about this, but as Ben Domench was noting yesterday on Twitter, Ron Paul's posture as a "small government conservative" is a lie. While he makes sure he votes against every appropriations bill, he nonetheless inserts billions in earmarks for his home district, and calls himself principled for doing so.

In other words, while he talks a good game about limiting federal spending, he has immunized himself from the political consequences of taking a hardline stance on the federal government's sugar-daddyism, by making sure all of his local special interests get paid.

Including in areas of obvious federal concern, like connecting bike trails in the greater Galveston metropolitan area.

Hey, Jefferson rode a Huffy. It's in The Constitution, man.

The party can nominate Ron Paul if it chooses. At which point it's none of my concern, as I'm officially out of a party that chooses to wed itself to a neoconfederate, Bircher crank with a long history of dabbling in racial paranoia about "The Coming Race War" and courting fringe luantics.

Oh: And of course Ron Paul does not want a border fence.

Why not?

Because the US Government will use that fence to keep us Americans from fleeing.

But he's a true conservative.

Posted by: Ace at 03:22 PM



Comments

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Posted by: tasker at December 15, 2011 03:24 PM (r2PLg)

2 Just so I am clear - there will or there will not be a race war?

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2011 03:24 PM (7vSU0)

3 Piss on Ron Paul and I will not discuss the League of The South as all we are doing there is inviting another flame war.

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:26 PM (YdQQY)

4 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 03:26 PM (8y9MW)

5 Is this the Sherlock Holmes review?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 03:27 PM (8y9MW)

6 If Ron Paul wins, it's probably Tim Tebow's fault.

Posted by: Crazee at December 15, 2011 03:27 PM (sbtxl)

7 So, if someone writes something in your name, you take credit for it and profit from it, isn't it yours?

- Dreams from my Father
- The Audacity of Hope

Posted by: © Sponge at December 15, 2011 03:28 PM (UK9cE)

8 Meh.

Posted by: Barbarian-Heartless Paul Supporter at December 15, 2011 03:28 PM (EL+OC)

9 Damn the establishment republican media has gotten the memo: Rehash all of Paul's old skeletons. Keep trying, your desperation is pathetic. You're losing the message war and it is driving you insane. I love it.

Posted by: consistent conservative FTW at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (DKfLx)

10 It's hard to be a right-wing loon, aint it ace?

Where's Fred Thompson when you need him?

Posted by: Barry Goldwater at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (3JSFt)

11
Word.
I've been following Ron Paul for some time now (albeit metaphorically ever since the restraining order) and I'm frankly amazed that some consider him anything more than a worthless crank. The man is about Ron Paul, nothing more, nothing less, who is padding his retirement account with the money bombs.

Posted by: JohnTant at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (PFy0L)

12 If you wanna stir up some devious fun, go over to the Reason online boards and post something about Ron Paul incredibly not being "aware of what the newsletters published in his name, supposedly written by him, were saying." They'll be like simians having a shit fit, flinging it everywhere. I've seen it happen.

Posted by: Comatosarian at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (sTS/8)

13 Ron Paul is a protest vote for most. I hope that's the case anyway. If he gets 18% of the vote then I think it's safe to say we can discount the importance of IA like we already discount NH. So, SC and FLA look to be where things really start.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (N/1Dm)

14 Anyway;


I'm back. New speakers dropped right in. They sound damn better than the
originals and they ain't broke in yet. Hardest part was carrying my
spares back upstairs wearing this damn pump.

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:29 PM (YdQQY)

15 Ron Paul's shocking ignorance regarding the true nature of Islam is the most disturbing fact of his campaign.

Posted by: JimK at December 15, 2011 03:30 PM (wvVm9)

16 Yeah and fuck Glenn Beck for supporting this asshole. I'd bet ol' Beck believes this bullshit more than he lets on.

I need a shower.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:30 PM (zLeKL)

17 Eleventy!!!11!!!

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 15, 2011 03:30 PM (1+CnU)

18 This stuff falls into the "important but unconvincing" category. Unconvincing not because it isn't true, which it seems to be, but because it's not going to change anyone's mind about Paul.

Much like Rev Wright and all that jazz.

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:31 PM (I2LwF)

19 "President Pap Smear" .....heh.
I don't remember which Moron posted that one, a while back.....but it imprinted on me so much that now, every time I think of Ron Paul! this phrase pops into my head.

Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 15, 2011 03:32 PM (HvKWW)

20 and I will not discuss the League of The South as all we are doing there is inviting another flame war.

Agreed, SUH. There might be people 'round hyeah who do NOT believe we shall RISE again and we shall brook NO compromise with such RINO carpetbaggers.

Posted by: Teh League of the South at December 15, 2011 03:32 PM (2ECwn)

21 Forecast calls for crazy trolls

Posted by: brak at December 15, 2011 03:32 PM (VoEz2)

22 Rehashing old skeletons? Really? Skeletons are things like affairs, graft, ideological failures, flubs...

Paul's past reads like a menagerie of fanatics. It's like having an auschwitz in you closet.


Posted by: runninrebel at December 15, 2011 03:33 PM (N/1Dm)

23 Man the battlements MMs, the paultards will be assaulting the fortress soon.

Posted by: joncelli at December 15, 2011 03:33 PM (RD7QR)

24 Fuck all that, Random.

It's awful, racist bullshit.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:33 PM (zLeKL)

25 Okay... having read all of that now...

Why do we let him in the Republican party, again?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 03:33 PM (8y9MW)

26 ain't not cotton-picken, horn-sawagglin', skallywag gern to tell me that Ron Paul ern't a great americun!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (lGj2f)

27 For Roth­bard, free­dom was best when it wore pants: he blamed the
“ori­gins of the Wel­fare State” on “the legion of Yan­kee women, in
par­tic­u­lar those of mid­dle– or upper-class back­ground, and
espe­cially spin­sters whose busy­body incli­na­tions were not fet­tered
by the respon­si­bil­i­ties of home and hearth.” He regret­ted the
Con­sti­tu­tional amend­ment that had “imposed” women’s suf­frage on the
nation.

I dunno, he may be on to something here.

Posted by: Matt at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (sFHaD)

28 Someone please stop giving representative Paul a microphone or a pen. He crossed over from helping to hurting some point after creating and teaching his far superior son Senator Rand Paul.

Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (RfvTE)

29 I do NOT support Ron Paul. But he (or rather his newsletter) was absolutely right when it said that AIDS is a politically protected disease and that sodomy equals death.

Can anyone seriously deny those statements?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (mAm+G)

30 this is gonna be goood

Posted by: The Dude at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (M8yfa)

31 Why do we let him in the Republican party, again?
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Yes, why isn't something being done about this?

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (zLeKL)

32 If mind control were real, these would be the first people "dealt with". Their conspiracy theories never seem to explain why that hasn't happened.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (ijjAe)

33 Ok, the man's a kook. I'm convinced. But, he's still in line to win the Iowa caucuses.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (0K5Vv)

34 In fairness to Ron Paul and his fellow ideologues, the way AIDS is transmitted was poorly understood at the time.We know nowthat it is not transmitted through saliva, but that may not have been known or well established in the '90s. Furthermore, I believe that the Left and the homosexual lobby played up fears of a general epidemic as a way to increase support for research - they can hardly complain if people took them at their word.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (sEvRn)

35 Hoo Boy.

I did NOT know Coast-to-Coast started at 3:30 in the afternoon now. I may get some sleep now

Posted by: sickinmass at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (1rflU)

36 Paul also wrote that although “we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”
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Is there actual evidence for this? I ain't buyin' it.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (zLeKL)

37 "The kindly old goblin just wants a return to the America of his youth..."

That's not exactly good news, Ace; the America of his youth was a bunch of colonies.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (Jdtsu)

38 Someone please stop giving representative Paul a microphone or a pen. He crossed over from helping to hurting some point after creating and teaching his far superior son Senator Rand Paul.
Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 03:34 PM (RfvTE) I think the jury is still out on Rand...from my perspective I think he's just learned to keep his mouth shut inre certain wacko theories.

Posted by: JohnTant at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (PFy0L)

39 For Roth­bard, free­dom was best when it wore pants: he blamed the “ori­gins of the Wel­fare State” on “the legion of Yan­kee women, in par­tic­u­lar those of mid­dle– or upper-class back­ground, and espe­cially spin­sters whose busy­body incli­na­tions were not fet­tered by the respon­si­bil­i­ties of home and hearth.” He regret­ted the Con­sti­tu­tional amend­ment that had “imposed” women’s suf­frage on the nation.

DoI need to denounce myself for agreeing with this?

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:36 PM (I2LwF)

40 Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

Longbows! Get Your Longbows here!

Prepare Thyself for the Coming Racial War! Thy thewy sinews drawing tight the cord as ashwood bends to thy will.

Longbows! Get Your Longbows here!



Posted by: Eldreth - Purveyor of Longbows at December 15, 2011 03:36 PM (h6mPj)

41
Ace,
Who else is going to protect your precious bodily fluids?

Posted by: Ben at December 15, 2011 03:36 PM (wuv1c)

42 I will be so glad when he resigns. Hopefully the 14th District will choose a better rep.

Posted by: M80B at December 15, 2011 03:36 PM (d6QMz)

43 too much on the italics

Posted by: Unruly Human at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (A5qvJ)

44 "the fascistic strains in Perry’s buffoonery" (Andrew Sullivan)

The wha?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (i0App)

45 tldr;
Any morons care to tell me the number of ewoks ace is giving this movie?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (D5hxK)

46 I've been to sporting events where their is a talented, respected, and friendly boy out on the field playing his heart out. His jackass red faced father (clearly with his own past issues) is in the stands embarrassing his boy and the entire team?

That's how I see Ron and Rand at this point.

Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (RfvTE)

47 Well, yeah.Paul has hisgood points, though.He makes Joe Biden look sane and thoughtful.

Posted by: West at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (1Rgee)

48 9
Damn the establishment republican media has gotten the memo: Rehash all
of Paul's old skeletons. Keep trying, your desperation is pathetic.
You're losing the message war and it is driving you insane. I love it.

Actually, this article was published by a liberal house organ that's trying to tar the rest of the GOP by association with "libertarian" neo-Nazi Ron Paul.

Fortunately, after he drops out of the race in February or March and exits his House seat a year from now we won't have to listen to the tired, sorry old bastard again, at least until the next presidential campaign (which he'll probably be conducting from a wheelchair).

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 15, 2011 03:37 PM (2ECwn)

49 Jesus Christ. The year is two-thousand and eleven.

Why are we talking about this?

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:38 PM (zLeKL)

50 Ah. Good. Right on schedule. Paul Bots.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 03:39 PM (8y9MW)

51
Either Random refers to brain activity or this one is a primo example of malevolence. Be careful of him.

And no, don't post to me, Random. You do not exist in my world.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 15, 2011 03:39 PM (SAMxH)

52 I thought I ran these people out of the party 40 years ago.

Posted by: Zombie William F. Buckley at December 15, 2011 03:39 PM (JxMoP)

53 Is there actual evidence for this? I ain't buyin' it.

The NCVS and FBI's UCR data have shown a disproportionate percentage of black perps for many decades.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2011 03:40 PM (DzIiI)

54 OT: Fox hints at the "grand conspiracy" angle of FF:
http://tinyurl.com/csjbbla

Posted by: grognard at December 15, 2011 03:41 PM (NS2Mo)

55 The people I know who think RP is the Only Man Who Can Save the World are fixated on End the Fed and Gold Standard and ignore the other stuff. Also no one else passes their Purity Test.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2011 03:41 PM (MyByM)

56 >>>l. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”

I can't vouch for every single category but yes, blacks commit these sorts of crimes (street crimes, I guess you'd say, as opposed to financial or regulatory crimes) at greater rates than their representation in the country.

Among the various things he says, some are true.

But the general thrust is not "truth" and not merely "we need to acknowledge some politically incorrect facts here."

It's a general call to hard-core 1950s fringe rightwingery, the sort of "rightwingery" all the TV shows mean when they speak of rightwingery.

We cannot claim these are all "media lies" if we choose to actually embrace exactly the politics the media accuses us of having.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (nj1bB)

57 Hey! Buddy!

I'm not in Ron Paul's closet.

I mean, William F. Buckley - held a dinner in his honor. Ronald Reagan. Him, too - Dinner.

Ron Paul ... never got a dinner.

Posted by: Red Sketon at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (h6mPj)

58 52Jesus Christ. The year is two-thousand and eleven.

Why are we talking about this?Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:38 PM (zLeKL) Well, Ronulans were all too willing to go back decades to tear down Herman Cainand anyone else they didn't like. But now Ron Paulshould besomehow immune to an examination of his record and writings past a certain date?

Posted by: JohnTant at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (PFy0L)

59 I always knew you'd come around to my way of thinking, Ace!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (dHqot)

60 Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:38 PM

For exactly the same reason it's Now Officially Okay to cheat on your first wife with your eventual second and cheat on her with your eventual third, and why it's Now Officially Okay to drink like a fish and proposition every woman you lay eyes on.

Because the One True Conservative Candidate (of the week) advocates those things, they're now okay. The higher RuPaul climbs, the more you're likely to see more, ahem, "detailed explanation," like Random's treatise above on the genetic inferiority of other races to white people, and other deep thoughts.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (xp1pq)

61 The NCVS and FBI's UCR data have shown a disproportionate percentage of black perps for many decades
PA, I think he means he wants us to prove Ron Paul actually wrote that, with viedo or something,rather than just offering his endorsement to it.

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (I2LwF)

62 Paul is a sideshow. We need to get Romney out. I really need Perry to do well tonight or Newt, but I would like Perry more.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 15, 2011 03:43 PM (FKQng)

63 i'd like to see Paul win Iowa the shame and embarrassment alone should cause the GOP to yank Iowa's first in the nation deal.

Posted by: Bannor at December 15, 2011 03:43 PM (6AXh/)

64 Is there actual evidence for this? I ain't buyin' it.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:35 PM (zLeKL)


Umm, yeah, there is. It is a truth that cannot be spoken, but the FBI stats are what they are.

If you decompose the murder rate in the US, African Americans have a rate that is 8 times that of the non African American population - and since they are about 12% of the population, it doubles the murder rate in the US. The murder rate for non-African Americans is about like any European country.


Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2011 03:43 PM (7vSU0)

65 Why are we talking about this?
Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:38 PM (zLeKL)
1) Because some people can't help but cut holes in their sheets.
2) They feel validated by having a candidate who shares their views (while at the same time buries them and writes off any expose as "digging for skeletons").
3)That "candidate" is an absolute embarassment and could potentially win Iowa, further proof that land of corn-shucking crackers is almost as horrible as Delaware.

Posted by: CAC at December 15, 2011 03:43 PM (OgLSx)

66 For Roth­bard, free­dom was best when it wore pants: he blamed the “ori­gins of the Wel­fare State” on “the legion of Yan­kee women, in par­tic­u­lar those of mid­dle– or upper-class back­ground, and espe­cially spin­sters whose busy­body incli­na­tions were not fet­tered by the respon­si­bil­i­ties of home and hearth.” He regret­ted the Con­sti­tu­tional amend­ment that had “imposed” women’s suf­frage on the nation.

Hahah! The grumpy old man in me is kind of nodding in agreement.

Posted by: Max Power will vote for ANY Republican nominee. at December 15, 2011 03:44 PM (q177U)

67 Ron Paul's shocking ignorance regarding the true nature of Islam reality is the most disturbing fact of his campaign.

FIFY.

The sad part...I get queasy when I compare those old race-mongering statements with reality as we know it with Affirmative Action, Rev. Al, and A.G. 'Coward' Holder. Largely because it seems almost like there's a slice of the country hell-bent on proving those old SOBs right...


Posted by: DarkLord© sez sometimes, Darwin is your friend! at December 15, 2011 03:44 PM (GBXon)

68 @John Always possible, if so I wont hesitate to abandon him when the day comes.

Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 03:44 PM (RfvTE)

69
Remember when BRIAN DENNEHY played a PINK CADILLAC and CLINT EASTWOOD drove him around with Berandette PETERS?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (sqkOB)

70 Yes. Check the FBI crime stats. It's also extremely well-established
that black-on-white violent crime occurs with over an order of magnitude
greater frequency than white on black crime.

And black-on-black is worse still. It's culture, or what passes for it.

Posted by: DarkLord© sez sometimes, Darwin is your friend! at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (GBXon)

71 Ron Paul, I like the cut of that man's jib.

Posted by: Adolph Hitler After Finishing His Downfall lRant at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (XgvL/)

72 It's a general call to hard-core 1950s fringe rightwingery, the sort of "rightwingery" all the TV shows mean when they speak of rightwingery. We cannot claim these are all "media lies" if we choose to actually embrace exactly the politics the media accuses us of having.
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (nj1bB)
All that fluff about 'dog whistles'? Here is a prime example.

Posted by: CAC at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (OgLSx)

73
I know a couple of Ron Paul people who show up at Republican meetings.

Two of them are on SSDI and unemployed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing medically wrong with them.
Just as phony as their leader.

Posted by: Ben at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (wuv1c)

74 Andi's endorsement, if any rational thought actually went into it at all, is designed to sowchaos and generate publicity, nothing more.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro at December 15, 2011 03:46 PM (w41GQ)

75 Yeah, Ron Paul sucks.

One mild defense of the racial crime paranoia. The late 80s, early 90s were the high point of violent crime in US history. Few expected we were about to enter a 20 year secular decline. Crime had been getting worse and worse for decades and many people were very, very upset and had good reason to fear the future.

(Those of us, like myself, who lived in fairly low-crime suburbia at the time might not appreciate that fact. The crime stats are readily available on wiki or the FBI site.)

The reason Law and Order Republicanism did so well from the 60s to the 90s was because that time had ever-rising crime. Lots of people being robbed and raped and beaten and murdered.

Did it play on racial fears? Yeah. But many of those racial fears were justified - black males commit (then and now) violent crime at 5-10x the rate white males do, who in turn are 2-3x more violent than asian males.

The 20 year decline in crime rates is one of the most wonderful things that have happened in recent decades. I chalk it up mainly to video games and porn.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 03:46 PM (QcFbt)

76 All that fluff about 'dog whistles'? Here is a prime example.

I'm not sure those were "dog whistles" so much as "marching orders."

I'm sorry, that stuff is kind of sick.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 03:47 PM (8y9MW)

77 It's wonderful watching the neocons squirm Beautiful!

Posted by: Barbarian-Heartless Paul Supporter at December 15, 2011 03:47 PM (EL+OC)

78 3)That "candidate" is an absolute
embarassment and could potentially win Iowa, further proof that land of
corn-shucking crackers is almost as horrible as Delaware.

Posted by: CAC at December 15, 2011 03:43 PM

I tend to indemnify and hold harmless the Republican voters of Delaware over their idiocy in September 2010. When the supposed True Conservatives (Rush, Hannity, Levin, et al) are projecting a false image of a lying thief as one of an articulate ideological hero, you can't always expect them to object.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 03:47 PM (xp1pq)

79 78 Posted by: Hussein Soetoro



That sock made me larf.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 15, 2011 03:47 PM (mAm+G)

80 You mean there WON'T be a race war when TSHTF? That's a relief. And a border fence COULDN'T be used to keep people here? That one-way barbed wire is really great stuff.

You've got Paul Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (g9neE)

81 Ok, I think the implication is that blacks commit more crimes because they are black. Yes, many blacks live in poor neighborhoods and it's the poor that commit more crimes, not blacks. Well, not because they're black.

I hope that makes sense.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (zLeKL)

82 I do not know why Ron Paul is allowed to exist in a republican platform.

I'm also disgusted by Randoms comment.


Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (h+qn8)

83
The good news?
Gary Johnson is going to switch to the Libertarian party and run for President.
So that helps prevent any chance of a third party run by Paul.

It's a shame that Gary Johnson isn't the real representative of the Libertarian wing of the Republican party. He's not a crazy racist, he cut the number of federal workers in his state and left it with a billion dollar surplus.
I do want out party to have a strong libertarian wing, but Ron Paul isn't the man to do it. That and he's not really alll that libertarian in practice.

Posted by: Ben at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (wuv1c)

84
Wait, does Ron Paul claim he is a conservative? I always thought his claim was a Puritanical Libertarian.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (JYheX)

85 Paul is a sideshow.

Not in Iowa he isn't. Paul could actually win there.

That's as far as he'll ever get, but it would be enough to derail the Gingrich train (whose wheels are already coming off).

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (2ECwn)

86 Violence rates are also much greater in sub-Saharan Africa than in Europe, and less in far-east Asian nations. This corresponds with testosterone levels:sub-Saharan Africans > Caucasians > far-east Asiansand corresponds inversely with brain size:sub-Saharan Africans < Caucasians < far-east AsiansI don't like these facts, but they're still reality.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:42 PM (YiE0S)
Of course, given that both Europe and Asia have been the homes of some remarkably violent and belligerent cultures and have only recently - within the last couple hundred years - calmed down suggests that this pattern of violence is related to cultural, economic, and political differences rather than some inherent racial issues, not so?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 03:49 PM (sEvRn)

87 That "candidate" is an absolute embarassment and could potentially win
Iowa, further proof that land of corn-shucking crackers is almost as
horrible as Delaware.

Don't tar all of the South based on that nut Ron Paul. Should we tar the entire State of CA based on Maxine Waters?

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:49 PM (YdQQY)

88 Reason,
I'm thinking you've been getting your scientific facts from the German Hygiene Museum that opened in the 1930's'
amiright?

Posted by: robtr at December 15, 2011 03:49 PM (MtwBb)

89 You mean there WON'T be a race war when TSHTF? That's a relief. And a border fence COULDN'T be used to keep people here? That one-way barbed wire is really great stuff. That's exactly what he means, dipshit.

Posted by: Max Power will vote for ANY Republican nominee. at December 15, 2011 03:49 PM (q177U)

90 >>>Did it play on racial fears? Yeah. But many of those racial fears were justified - black males commit (then and now) violent crime at 5-10x the rate white males do, who in turn are 2-3x more violent than asian males.

All true, and yet you cannot miss the conclusion these facts are being marshaled to advance.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 03:49 PM (nj1bB)

91 or random or whoever you are.

Posted by: robtr at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (MtwBb)

92 as far as crime, i would say a correlation between poor environments and povert , angry .
you would likely find whites and hispanics that are poor also more liekly to commit crime, and end up in the justcice system.

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (h+qn8)

93 65, ahh and here I thought I didnt like Random yesterday

Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (WkuV6)

94
>>Culture and race are intertwined, and there are real, actual, measurable psychometric differences among races, and physiological differences to boot (brain size, testosterone levels).

Oh man....I think you're at the wrong blog.

Posted by: Ben at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (wuv1c)

95 92
That "candidate" is an absolute embarassment and could potentially win
Iowa, further proof that land of corn-shucking crackers is almost as
horrible as Delaware.Don't tar all of the South . . . .



Is Iowa in the South now?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (mAm+G)

96 You know who also thought that race wars would be the end of civilization?

Posted by: Charles Manson at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (zLeKL)

97 The 20 year decline in crime rates is one of the most wonderful things
that have happened in recent decades. I chalk it up mainly to video
games and porn.

I chalk it up to taking a damn lot of the violent criminals off the street and putting them in jail.

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (YdQQY)

98 86
Ok, I think the implication is that blacks commit more crimes because they are black. Yes, many blacks live in poor neighborhoods and it's the poor that commit more crimes, not blacks. Well, not because they're black.





I hope that makes sense.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM

Actually, you're quite right. It's a culture thing, not a racial thing. Black people in this country tend to come from less stable families, which is far more a leading indicator of criminal behavior than any other aspect.

Ann Coulter once wrote a piece in her book about this - if you control for the disparity of single-parent households for all people, the difference in crime figures between white and black people disappears. Completely. Which is just one more reason why the Paul screed is so damned incendiary.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (xp1pq)

99 Although the Mises Institute has an interesting podcast and puts out scholarly products on economics, liberty, etc.

I don't know much about Lew Rockwell but the Institute is a pretty good resource and it shouldn't be tainted with this from I can see so far.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (N/1Dm)

100 Iowa and Delaware? Don't want 'em.

Posted by: The South at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (2ECwn)

101
oh yeah, like there WONT be a collapse of the monetary system?

and we WONT resort to eating our pets?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (sqkOB)

102 well, i'm upset already, i'll go read something else. i even type more porrly when i'm emotional. peace

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 03:52 PM (h+qn8)

103 And IQ is both hereditary and as a result of nurture, but mainly hereditary. That explains your nick, you're a random - supra-genius despite your environment and genetics.

Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2011 03:52 PM (WkuV6)

104 @2: "Just so I am clear - there will or there will not be a race war?"
Depending on where you live, there already is one. In the LA area, there's been an ongoing Hispanic/Black race war for some time now.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (jAqTK)

105 Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (YiE0S)
-----
Wow, Random. Wow.

Random is a troll. Obvious. Let's please all ignore Random now. Others warned me about this douche and I was an idiot for not listening.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (zLeKL)

106 The comming wars will have more to do with economimcs, rather then race. Maye the should call them the Math Wars.

Posted by: Max Power will vote for ANY Republican nominee. at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (q177U)

107 This thread is icky and contentious.

Can we have a new one, please?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (mAm+G)

108 There are real problems and pathologies in the black underclass.

But we can never really discuss them, because when we do, some people's eyes start to light up with That Special Glint and they take the discussion to... places.

So we have to bury this stuff. Less because of political correctness -- political correctness I can fight and thwart -- but to avoid the political doom of having Special People start saying Special Things.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)

109 And black-on-black is worse still. It's culture, or what passes for it.

The other thing to remember is that a huuuuge chunk of crime in the U.S. is tied to the drug trade. To blame it on being black obscures the things we can possibly fix.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 15, 2011 03:54 PM (bjRNS)

110 Reason #7,923 Iowa needs to be bumped wayyy down the list.

While I get the logistical issues with giant Florida, I still think its unique combination make it a vastly superior first primary instead of wrong about everything "Iowa." And, I say this as someone raised in the midwest.

Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 03:54 PM (RfvTE)

111 The places that create the most wealth are ones where populations have the highest IQ. The places where they create the least wealth are ones where populations have the lowest IQ.And IQ is both hereditary and as a result of nurture, but mainly hereditary.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:50 PM (YiE0S)
Yup, if those slaves were just smarter they would have been rich damnit. If they coudn't overcome 300 years of racist laws and exclusion from our economy it's their own damn fault, because they are different.

Posted by: robtr at December 15, 2011 03:54 PM (MtwBb)

112 as far as crime, i would say a correlation between poor environments and povert , angry .you would likely find whites and hispanics that are poor also more liekly to commit crime, and end up in the justcice system.

Statistics haven't born that out. In fact, it wasn't true of blacks either until after the mid 60s when LBJ's 'Great Society" destroyed black family life.

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:54 PM (YdQQY)

113
Right turn, Clyde.

Posted by: Filo Beddo at December 15, 2011 03:54 PM (sqkOB)

114 New thread, here's a hint: on the climategate search warrants

Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (WkuV6)

115 Couldn't we argue that the Democrats policies and the welfare state are big reasons for black crime statistics?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (MyByM)

116 In the LA area, there's been an ongoing Hispanic/Black race war for some time now.

Where's Mutually Assured Destruction when you need it?

Yeah, yeah, I denounce myself.

Posted by: meekrob at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (/0HuL)

117 Psycho people start saying psycho things.

God. Ron Paul is an insult to the Republican Party.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (zLeKL)

118 I don't get the supporting the Palestinians over the Jews thing, even from an irrational hatred point.

Both are Semitic. One is trying to blow is up, the other is not. Why wouldn't you either hate both equally, or at least hate the one's trying to blow you up more?

Unless of course, you believe that there's some sort of Jewish banking conspiracy that's even worse.

Ergo, Ron Paul believes in a Jewish banking conspiracy. Which would go a long way in explaining why he loves the gold standard and pretends like bubbles didn't exist before we decoupled the dollar from gold.

Posted by: taylork at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (5wsU9)

119 Yeah, the Ron Paul people I know don't seem to be too keen on the racial angle. The two main categories are:

1) Lower class, poorly educated whites given to paranoia. Some shadowy outside force is causing their life to suck. Ron Paul promises to ... do something about that. Something about the Fed thing. Potential veerage into anti-semitism.

2) Middle class whites who like to smoke pot, but otherwise are liberals.

Maybe nobody I've talked is willing to talk about the racial angle. And the people I know aren't Southerners, so neo-confederate crap doesn't appeal to them.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 03:55 PM (QcFbt)

120 The worst thing about Paul and his Paulistinians is you can't even have a conversation thread about Paul without someone shitting in the punchbowl.

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (I2LwF)

121 "Of course, given that both Europe and Asia have been the homes of some
remarkably violent and belligerent cultures and have only recently -
within the last couple hundred years - calmed down suggests that this
pattern of violence is related to cultural, economic, and political
differences rather than some inherent racial issues, not so?"

Organized war is different than interpersonal crime.

Yes, cultural, economic, and political differences are huge factors. I would argue the creation of the atomic bomb - itself a result of mostly European intellect, and over-represented with Ashkenazi Jewish intellect (the highest IQ population on the planet - was a huge factor in lowering ground combat within Europe, as were technological weapons innovations generally.

Lots more folks tend to be involved with melee weapon combat, such as machetes, than even mechanized warfare.

But yes, there were a lot of factors, to do with laws and culture and so forth ... all as a RESULT of intellect, by the way.

Stephen Pinker has a great 20 minute lecture you can watch here on YouTube about diminishing violence rates throughout history.

We can affect cultural factors, so to the degree we can do that, awesome. But at the end of the day, people with higher testosterone levels (whether young men in general or population groups with higher average testosterone) will commit more violent crimes within a given culture.

Period.

Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (YiE0S)

122

Ron Paul is our Noam Chomsky.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (sqkOB)

123 There is only one thing worse than ronpaul for this country. His supporters.

Posted by: td at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (w7TI0)

124 Is Iowa in the South now?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 15, 2011 03:51 PM (mAm+G)
I didn't realize he was talking about Iowa. That term has been associated with people from the South in the past, primarily GA.

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (YdQQY)

125 In fairness to Ron Paul and his fellow ideologues, the way AIDS is transmitted was poorly understood at the time.We know nowthat it is not transmitted through saliva, but that may not have been known or well established in the '90s.

It was very well established by 1990. The means of transmission were well known and publicized by the late 80's.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (SY2Kh)

126 I know a couple of Ron Paul people who show up at Republican meetings.
Two of them are on SSDI and unemployed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing medically wrong with them.
Posted by: Ben at December 15, 2011 03:45 PM (wuv1c)
They're Ron Paul supporters. You may not see anything physically wrong with them, but there is clearly something out of wack going on in their noggins.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (D5hxK)

127 Down here in Texas we have Sheila Jackson Lee so ya'll keep your own damned crazies.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (OBDWE)

128 @19 Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:31 PM (I2LwF)
Hmmm....Beck's fleeing New York to go to Texas?A little appliedRoad Metrics can probably reveal the location of their shared Refuge/Rural Retreat. Or maybe they have have separate but mutually-supporting Firebase/Compounds.

Posted by: 66chevelle at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (QjSgY)

129 You've got Paul Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at December 15, 2011 03:48 PM (g9neE)

Oddly enough, that's exactly what I say about Paulistinians. Go figure.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (6IReR)

130 Running for pres is just racist crank newsletters writ large--a revenue stream.

Posted by: nickless at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (/iGjT)

131 yes, splitting up families is extremely harmful to all concerned.

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (h+qn8)

132 you would likely find whites and hispanics that are poor also more liekly to commit crime, and end up in the justcice system.

Poverty doesn't create crime, it's the other way around.

Posted by: meekrob at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (/0HuL)

133 Why do we let him in the Republican party, again?

---

Yes, why isn't something being done about this?
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You do know we are talking about the party that can't even kick out Murcowski?

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (SDkq3)

134 new thread up!

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (h+qn8)

135 I think the unflagging popularity of Paul demonstrates how desperate people are for a Real. Fiscal. Conservative.
Or at least one who sounds like an unpologetic Real Fiscal Conservative. His popularity can't be explained by cranks alone. His message resonates, mainly because, once again, he's the only one saying it. His strength is, again, more a reflection of the weakness of the field than anything else.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (9KqcB)

136 Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM

I agree with you right up until the IQ business. That's not trolling, that's flat-out race-baiting, if only skirting actual, virulent, Woodrow Wilson racism.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (xp1pq)

137 Ron Paul taught me how to measure nose length and cranial contours. Go easy on him.

Posted by: Premeditated at December 15, 2011 03:57 PM (2ECwn)

138 Random is a troll. Obvious. Let's please all ignore Random now. Others warned me about this douche and I was an idiot for not listening.
Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:53 PM (zLeKL)
He is one of Derbshire's fellow travelers,I think. It seems like there is always at least one atheist type with a fixation on evolutionary psychology,IQ levels, and racial differences on every large conservative blog. Richard Fernandez hasor had a couple, too.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (sEvRn)

139 Down here in Texas we have Sheila Jackson Lee so ya'll keep your own damned crazies.

Uh, Dave ... Ron Paul represents a district in Texas. Clear Lake, right?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (bjRNS)

140 Paul has plain old derangement syndrome.

Posted by: nickless at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (/iGjT)

141 Can we have another whiskey-boobs thread please?

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (XgvL/)

142
I have never understood the Ron Paul appeal, except to that large voting bloc of "conservative" hippies.

Posted by: Dave at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (Xm1aB)

143
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (YiE0S)
Have you postedsubscription information for your newsletter yet?

Posted by: JohnTant at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (PFy0L)

144 Unconvincing not because it isn't true, which it seems to be, but because it's not going to change anyone's mind about Paul.

I'm currently involved in a bit of a flame war on another blog with some Paulbots. No blog conversation ever really ends with one side convincing the other, but it's triply so with these folks. They basically repeat the same three our four talking points: neocons, war mongers, true constititutionalist, and now this big whopper: the only man who can beat Obama. If you try to argue with them they will bring up "facts" and cite either Ron Paul's own website or Lew Rockwell. In other words, yeah, you can't use logic with the hopelessly illogical.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 15, 2011 03:59 PM (IGkEP)

145 Medved just made a great point. Paul would probably be polling higher if they could reach the younger cell phoned people.

Posted by: Barbarian-Heartless Paul Supporter at December 15, 2011 03:59 PM (EL+OC)

146 it's the poor that commit more crimes

Your arrow of causality is pointing the wrong way. Poverty doesn't create criminality. If it did, then the rural poor areas wouldn't have crime rates dramatically lower than urban areas. Its much more believable that criminal proclivities can contribute to impoverished conditions. I don't know many petty thieves and smack addicts who are living large.

When you've adopted a small time criminal mindset, its hard to stop being small time.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2011 03:59 PM (DzIiI)

147 Yeah, I'm sure people thought Hitler would help the economy.


Wait a minute...they did. Huh.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 03:59 PM (zLeKL)

148 Willow, I need to ask you a question

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 03:59 PM (I2LwF)

149 i thought a new thread. well here is something OT
UK police seize computers of skeptic blogger inEngland

watts up with that@

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 04:00 PM (h+qn8)

150 @32: " sodomy equals death. Can anyone seriously deny those statements?"
We're still kicking, so....yeah, consider them denied.

Posted by: Teagan Presley & Sasha Gray at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (jAqTK)

151 truman, english, and i'm lacking in skill for a private reason.
. sorry.
that it?

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (h+qn8)

152 the rural poor areas wouldn't have crime rates dramatically lower than urban areas.

Can't that be attributed to the fact that there's not much to steal?


Its much more believable that criminal proclivities can contribute to impoverished conditions.

It's not the sole factor, but race has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (zLeKL)

153 Perry is on Cavuto now.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (zLeKL)

154
As I said a few weeks ago, "Random" is a good name for you.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (sqkOB)

155
Your last name, I suppose, is Nonsense, ya?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (sqkOB)

156 Reverent Wright's sermons of hatred

I was thinking about this recently. I'm sure his website got thoroughly scrubbed after his 'sermons' came to attention and I can't provide a link, but I remember he seemed to enjoy preaching about the evils of 'middle-class-ness'. I have a feeling that Obama paid attention to those sermons as this administration has done more to destroy the middle class then any other in my half a century of memory can recall.

Posted by: Very Perry at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (phlKA)

157 Random wants so badly to believe that everything is predetermined at birth.

But that doesn't explain Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, Walter E. Williams, etc.

However I do seem to remember all of those men coming from intact households.

Look, it isn't race, it's culture. The blacks in this country got screwed on that end of things because when they were cut loose from slavery all they had was the very worst parts of tribal/clan culture absorbed from their Scots-Irish masters.

And a post-industrial society isn't compatible with tribalism.

Hell, what is a street gang if not an ad-hoc tribe?

The problem has never been race, but it's used as a convenient marker for those who have the "I've got mine, screw you" attitude.

Oh, and to answer Jeffrey Quick up there - a border fence along mexico to keep Americans in? Like Americans would run to Mexico if TSHTF.

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 04:03 PM (y05cf)

158 The new thread won't be ready till the copy department is ready with duplicates for the double posting.

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 15, 2011 04:03 PM (SDkq3)

159 @52: "Jesus Christ. The year is two-thousand and eleven."
You got that backwards.
The year is two-thousand and eleven. AD.
FIFY

Posted by: 66chevelle at December 15, 2011 04:03 PM (QjSgY)

160 Organized war is different than interpersonal crime.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 03:56 PM (YiE0S)
I wasn't refering to organized warfare, but rather stuff like cattle theft, feuding, and the like.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 04:04 PM (sEvRn)

161 Lots of cutting edge stuff in those newsletters. I'm jealous...

Posted by: Jack Chick at December 15, 2011 04:04 PM (ToZXn)

162 Fuck Huffy. Hutch Trickstar FTW!!!

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 15, 2011 04:04 PM (HpT9p)

163 161 Perry is on Cavuto now.
Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:01 PM (zLeKL)

If I had one, it would have moved.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at December 15, 2011 04:04 PM (fYOZx)

164 Yep. Your English is fine. But your conjugation and syntax sometimes suggest your first language is something Eastern. Sorry!

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 04:04 PM (I2LwF)

165 Uh, Dave ... Ron Paul represents a district in Texas. Clear Lake, right?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at December 15, 2011 03:58 PM (bjRNS)
Oh yeah, I'm well aware of where (and what) that nutcase represents. The number of intervening comments blurred my reference to Iowa and Deleware.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (OBDWE)

166 Like Americans would run to Mexico if TSHTF

Maybe it's because they think we'd prefer warmer weather. Fuck that shit, my ass either hauls to Canada or swims to Greenland.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (XgvL/)

167 161 Perry is on Cavuto now.
Been watching it Joffen.....he's doing good so far.
Hope he does well in tonight's dumbass debate. ....May the force be with him.

Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (HvKWW)

168 I'm not going to waste my breath or finger tips on ron Paul.

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (i6RpT)

169
North, Sioux City

Thurman North, Sioux City

Posted by: the Hilltop at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (sqkOB)

170 Poverty doesn't create crime, but crime can create a climate of poverty.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (ijjAe)

171 Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (YiE0S)

*flutters eyelashes*

Posted by: Margaret Sanger at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (2ECwn)

172 When Ron Paul describes himself as an "outsider" I think he means "outside the solar system."

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:06 PM (zLeKL)

173 The question is moot.

Posted by: toby928© at December 15, 2011 04:06 PM (GTbGH)

174 Down here in Texas we have Sheila Jackson Lee so ya'll keep your own damned crazies.
Dude, I hate to rain on your parade, but Ron Paul represents the Galveston area (I think). He's Dr. Ron Paul (R-TX).

We also have Eddie Bernice Johnson.

Everything's bigger in Texas. Even our douche-bags.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 04:06 PM (8y9MW)

175 Gah. I'd forgotten (read repressed) the Alex Jones stuff.
Also thanks for putting this up, I know some people were asking for links and such to the claims of anti-semitism the other day and it's nice when others do work so I don't have to do it.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 15, 2011 04:06 PM (VtjlW)

176 You assert a lot of things for which you don't even have a pretense of having evidence.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (YiE0S)
I haven't seen you do much more. I think if you want to be taken seriously, you had best starting citing sources.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 04:07 PM (sEvRn)

177 >>>neocons, war mongers, true constititutionalist, and now this big whopper: the only man who can beat Obama
I know, right? It seems so bizare to me to get labeled as a "neocon" by fellow so called conservatives.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2011 04:07 PM (q177U)

178 Hope he does well in tonight's dumbass debate. ....May the force be with him.
-----
I gotta be at work for 10pm, but I will watch as much as I can, and reading the comments here.

Perry has been doing so much better that I am honestly not that worried about him.

The real fireworks will be between Mitt and Newt.

If I were their campaign manager, would I tell them to hold back and look mature or go for the throat?

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (zLeKL)

179 ok.
but i'm just a lousy thinker, rather scrambled if tense.

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (h+qn8)

180 Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (YiE0S)*flutters eyelashes*
Posted by: Margaret Sanger at December 15, 2011 04:05 PM (2ECwn)
Yep, the "intellectual" racist.
Funny, they already generated a fabrication like "race" to excuse slavery and Jim crow (well they aren't "fully" human, they're different, so we can treat them differently", now they dig up evidence from Hitler'sscientists to validate their own hate.

Wonderful.

Posted by: CAC at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (OgLSx)

181 Let's say the whole racist shit is all circumstantial. He's still a big fucking hypocrite for taking all those earmarks. Small government my ass.

Posted by: taylork at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (5wsU9)

182 There's another debate tonight? Srsly?

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (XgvL/)

183 181 When Ron Paul describes himself as an "outsider" I think he means "outside the solar system."
Where did you obtain this information.

Posted by: The Lizard People at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (HvKWW)

184 I think Random may be our very first Concern Racist:

"Hey, I didn't give these jigaboos tinier brains. That's just nature. I really, really wish it weren't the fact that these monkeys are genetically predisposed to shuckin' and jivin' and murder. But mostly murder. It's so sad to see these simians dress like real people when you know they're dying inside to eat lice off each others' pelts. It's so sad, BUT IT'S SCIENCE."

This asshole is lowering your property value, ace.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (0yt4x)

185 AllenG, see 174.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (OBDWE)

186 Ron Paul is Romney's best chance at winning. A Paul victory in Iowa is basically just as good for him as winning directly. It would help derail Newt, and it really wouldn't hurt Mitt since he hasn't been expected to win there anyway (today's polling notwithstanding).

Paul is polling high enough nationally to draw enough anti-Mitt votes away without being a true threat to Romney's nomination.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (IGkEP)

187 heh - Ace baitin' the Paultards

Posted by: chemjeff at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (qVUxp)

188 Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (OBDWE)

Yeah, saw that after I posted.

Ain't asynchronous communication fun?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 04:10 PM (8y9MW)

189 Everything's bigger in Texas. Even our douche-bags.
I repeat, I will remain bitter to the end of time that the Left's elf freakshow is married to an elfen princess and ours is Ron Paul.
I am maintaining my endorsement of the squirrel that lives on Traficant's head.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 15, 2011 04:10 PM (VtjlW)

190 ATC, the Alex Jones association is the consummate deal-killer for me. When you buy Jones and his minions you buy New World Order Reptilian Zeta Reticuli Jewish Bavarian Illuminati Yadda-Yadda, and that's too much even for me. Although Ron Paul does look kinda like a monitor lizard.

Posted by: joncelli at December 15, 2011 04:10 PM (RD7QR)

191 Posted by: chemjeff at December 15, 2011 04:09 PM (qVUxp)

Does that make the Paulbots "AAAAAcists"?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 04:11 PM (8y9MW)

192 Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM

See, now that's actual, virulent, Woodrow Wilson racism.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 04:11 PM (xp1pq)

193 HEY RON! C'MON MAN! RACE WAR! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0

Posted by: wte9 at December 15, 2011 04:11 PM (OYaaT)

194 Tonight's debate is on Fox News and moderated by Bret Bair.

And sponsored by Johnnie Walker Boob Whiskey


Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:11 PM (sqkOB)

195 Although Ron Paul does look kinda like a monitor lizard.
Admittedly, it is the first actual evidence I've seen for Alex Jones' theories.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 15, 2011 04:12 PM (VtjlW)

196
It's a general call to hard-core 1950s fringe rightwingery, the sort of
"rightwingery" all the TV shows mean when they speak of rightwingery.



We cannot claim these are all "media lies" if we choose to actually embrace exactly the politics the media accuses us of having.

To fall prey to the statistical game that we are playing, takes from humanity what truly makes us human, that we, thinking and feeling and reasoning creatures, are not bound to the fate scribed into the ladder of our cells, but are free, as human beings, to learn the wealth of human wisdom and ultimately to exceed that fate, and be better than the sum of our mechanical parts.

While a disproportion in crime committed by blacks is a very real thing, the instant you apply a standard of genetics to an individual person you rob them of the opportunity to be human.

We tread on dangerous ground. I see nothing useful that can come from a discussion of race as it relates to trends in crime.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at December 15, 2011 04:12 PM (0q2P7)

197 #187, it's not a racial thing it's a family culture thing. Any place where a group of people have broken families tend to have the youths turn into feral gangs or tribes.

Our welfare model, which happens to deliberately target blacks thanks to LBJ, subsidizes the creation of broken families. Feral kids pumping out broods of even more feral kids whose only sustenance comes from government handouts and crime is not a recipe for anyone of any genetic background's success.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 15, 2011 04:12 PM (ijjAe)

198 You libtards are all the same. Can't believe Ron Paul didn't write those news letters but you can believe Obama sat in Jeremiah Wrights church for years and never believed or listed to anything he said.

Posted by: Micah at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (MUC8d)

199 Ace,

Its a nice anti-Paul rant, and I completely agree with you on all of it, but just to put things in perspective, Paul finished dead last in the 2008 election cycle, and I don't see any good reason why he'll do much better this time around. As you suggest, his appeal is largely with the "whackjob" wing of the Republican party.

As further perspective, Paul landed a whopping 4% of the Republican primary vote in SC in 2008. Compare to 33% for McCain, 30% for Huckabee, 16% for Thompson, and 15% for Romney, and he's not even a blip on the radar.

So I'm not going to spend much emotional energy worrying about that crackpot.

Sure. . .Paul sometimes looks disproportionately strong in polls, but that's because his idiot minions spend all their waking hours spamming them. When it comes down to actual voters casting actual votes. . .not so much.

Wake me up when Paul comes in third place or higher in an actual primary; then I'll start to think about what that might mean.

Posted by: looking closely at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (PwGfd)

200 *insert turd here*

Posted by: Barry erggggg at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (3JSFt)

201 192 There's another debate tonight? Srsly?
Yes! 9pm E/8pm C.
And tonight, to add to the drama, we will be firing rounds at the candidates feet to see how well they can dance.

Posted by: Fox News at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (HvKWW)

202 Come here, there is a Negro hiding behind me. Come and kill him.

Posted by: A Random Rock at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (2ECwn)

203 I'm not only scared of black thugs but there are some pretty scary white thugs out there too. I've run into enough of them on pubic transportation. It ain't an exclusive club for just one race.

Ron Paul, what a waste of human flesh.

Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (iYbLN)

204 Reverent Wright's sermons of hatredI was thinking about this recently. I'm sure his website got thoroughly scrubbed after his 'sermons' came to attention and I can't provide a link, but I remember he seemed to enjoy preaching about the evils of 'middle-class-ness'.
Posted by: Very Perry at December 15, 2011 04:02 PM (phlKA)
Yes. It was one of the many evils he warned against, in a church that was founded on the ideal of racial separatism. I'm growing a bit weary of white, conservativeAmericans being the only group that has to police its ranks for extremists.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (9KqcB)

205 Tonight's debate is on Fox News and moderated by Bret Bair.

And sponsored by Johnnie Walker Boob Whiskey

I'm there, Front and Center! But mostly center. And by center, I mean between a certain spokeswoman's boobs.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (XgvL/)

206 It's kinda odd seeing the Paulite bravado--"yeah, the neocons are worried!"
Like the Obama campaign wouldn't mine this shit for all its worthand sicits willing media sycophants on Paul. By the time both were done, Paul's independent voter support would consist solely of those whoconsider tinfoil a necessary part ofone'swardrobe.
If your goal is to see whether or not you can shoot the under on Alf Landon's numbers (Paul was around back then), go for it. I'd put money on it.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (W54Uh)

207
OT: just read this headline from my local news site

Street Sweeper and Cyclist Collide.

Bwahahaha, like a turtle and a snail couldn't get out of each others way.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (JYheX)

208 I agree with runninrebel: the Mises Institute puts out lots of good information, and not once have I encountered anything approaching the racist drivel quoted in ace's post.

Posted by: Reason at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (8s/Ek)

209
Well it's not as if Ron Paul actually goes on Alex Jones' 'net radio show and talks with the... oh. He does? Well that was just that one time... Oh. More than once?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (DxKBi)

210 We tread on dangerous ground. I see nothing useful that can come from a discussion of race as it relates to trends in crime.

I never shy away from a discussion, and I disagree. I think an honest open discussion about how people like Random are really just racist douchebags is a good thing.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (zLeKL)

211 Hey Random,

Define 'race.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 15, 2011 04:15 PM (mIucK)

212 Okay, I just bought some silver (not much) and its my first time buying precious metals. You can be pretty sure the bottom is going to drop out. Just letting everyone else know.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2011 04:15 PM (7vSU0)

213 Because lavish spending has a great success in holding off recessions vs living within one's means via austerity. See the stimulus, Great Depression, Japan since 1990, Argentina in the 1980s, and the slow motion collapse of the EU for evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 15, 2011 04:15 PM (ijjAe)

214
Posted by: Barry Goldwater at December 15, 2011 04:13 PM (3JSFt)


Hi, eggmcmuffin.

Did we leave the basement door unlocked again?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:15 PM (sqkOB)

215 Rand Paul!!!

Posted by: I am Lrrr, ruler of the planet Omicron Persei 8 at December 15, 2011 04:15 PM (sY6xa)

216 I think the unflagging popularity of Paul demonstrates how desperate people are for a Real. Fiscal. Conservative.

Exactly. When it's obvious to people that every other Republican is a big-spending, big government nanny statist, they'll start accepting all sorts of crazy as long as it means there's even a slim chance he might address the looming fiscal catastrophe we all know is coming. Anyone who thinks Gingrich, Romney or Perry are going to actually do anything substantive to avert our upcoming fiscal disaster is freaking delusional.

Posted by: Count Orlock at December 15, 2011 04:16 PM (RurGt)

217 The IQ data is true and has been verified over and over. There have been dozens and hundreds of studies. Insisting it's racist and some unpossible, unfact doesn't make it go away. Group averages don't say anything about any individual, of course. And acknowledging it doesn't make people racist.

I find the data convincing that East Asians have an IQ close to 5 points higher than white europeans (105 vs 100). Doesn't mean I hate white people or think East Asians are some master race. And the history of North and South Korea show that there are many other factors that determine the wealth and decency of a society.

The endurance of the IQ gaps is one of the main reasons I support some degree of affirmative action and quotas to try and make our, multi-ethnic, multi-racial society work better with less crime and friction. I want everybody to be as happy and wealthy and free as possible.

(The crime rates in poor East Asian neighborhoods are lower than most black or white middle class neighborhoods.)

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 04:16 PM (QcFbt)

218
are we gonna lovebug the debate?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:16 PM (sqkOB)

219 Off Topic in the extreme:
2nd Dark Knight Rises trailer to debut with Sherlock Holmes tomorrow. This is differentthan the recently bootlegged 6 minute Imax prologue.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (q177U)

220
Get back in the cellar, eggmcmuffin.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (sqkOB)

221 Also, a lot of people are reading the works of Murray Rothbard these days. I haven't encountered any bigoted writing by Rothbard myself.

Posted by: Reason at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (8s/Ek)

222 Luap Nor is a racist and anti-semite and should be shunned by society.

I hate him with the hate of a thousand burning suns. He is in love with the sound of his own racist voice.

Just go somewhere and die already.

Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (iYbLN)

223 Where is a country where the (Mongoloid - far east) Asian crime rate is higher than the white and black crime rates?--Why is culture so racist?
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:08 PM (YiE0S)
Today? Probably only Russia. 70 years ago, does Hitlers totally white Germany ring any bells with you maybe japan does then if you are looking for crimminally inclined asians. More recent? Were you ever in Vietnam in the 60's or 70's, how about Cambodia.

Posted by: robtr at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (MtwBb)

224 Paul finished dead last in the 2008 election cycle, and I don't see any good reason why he'll do much better this time around.

Unfortunately I don't think this is right. Ron Paul's foreign policy kookery isn't getting as much play because this election is not focused on foreign policy. Rush had a great analysis about this today. Basically a lot of less informed tea party people are just hearing Paul's anti-government, anti-spending stuff and it has great appeal. Overall, Paul has much more appeal this election cycle. He has no shot to win the nomination, but as I said above he absolutely can be a spoiler.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 15, 2011 04:17 PM (IGkEP)

225 Perhaps the primary thing that separates Humans from "the animals" (like lions, and puppehs, and such) is that Humans can "rise above" their mere biology and choose to ignore and/or suppress their "natural urges." That includes the inclination towards crime (see also: I'm highly inclined to track down Random and punch him in the throat. I'm Human, though, so I'll choose not to. See how that works?)

Now, either you can believe that all of us, even those poor blighted "sub-Saharan Africans," are Human- and therefore able to rise above our biology, or you don't.

The thing about the later is it lets people off for when they do bad things (it's just their nature, after all), but it also dehumanizes them and allows us to see them as animals.

The thing about the former is that it elevates everyone to the level of Equality set forth by the Founding Fathers, but it also means that they- not their race, and not even their "culture," but each and every one of them individually- are responsible for their own behavior.

Pick one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

226 But how does Ron Paul feel about paying for penis enlargement surgery?

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 04:18 PM (I2LwF)

227 This country is so fucked up.And what's really sad is, is that there will be violence before we swear in another president.
The dems are getting what they've been working for so long. Domestic chaos. Class and race. Volitile mixtures. It's almost like a marxist revolution.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:19 PM (C8am2)

228 A Sub-Way!

Posted by: Ron Paul's illegal immigration stance at December 15, 2011 04:19 PM (I2LwF)

229 Everything you think of when you imagine black inner city is pitch perfect accurate among Briths white yobs, who are multi-generational welfare cases in Britain.

While our understanding of genetics is far from complete, Some points I recall from a 2009 NRO article (which I cant find) about genetic nature vs nurture (nurture lost bigtime) and discussing researchers
hiding their findings from their leftist overlords... It was realy fascinating.

We do know there is a dominant genetic factor that only needs to be environmentally triggered. Not only that but genetic "disposition" for lack of a better word can be significantly affected and cumulative for good or bad, generation to generation.

Oversimplified example - parents who they and their grandparents etc.. spent their pre-child making years say reading, their child would on average have a significantly easier to time learning to read even adjusted for similar intelligence levels. Violence, language fluency, physical skills, addiction, etc... etc.. human developed skills can all literally be affected within in a single generation. The summary was that behaviors of your parents literally affected how naturally or unnaturally something came to you.

Posted by: Shiggz - Newt (Warp 7) at December 15, 2011 04:19 PM (RfvTE)

230 Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 04:16 PM

That's nice. Except there's no such thing as a culture- or race-blind IQ test, and the concept of IQ measurement is shoddy at best. And again, crime statistics track far more closely with family structure than with intelligence.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (xp1pq)

231 You see? I don't hate those filthy Papists!!

Posted by: Ron Paul's illegal immigration stance at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (I2LwF)

232 Hey, Jefferson rode a Huffy. It's in The Constitution, man.

He smoked one too! Ron Paul!

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (r2PLg)

233 still would like to Know why Ron Paul is accepted as a running mate in the Republican caucas?

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (h+qn8)

234 Now I’m confused.
I thought that as long as we didn’t elect Sarah Palin, everyone else was OK.

Posted by: jwest at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (8moZm)

235 candidate*

Posted by: willow at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (h+qn8)

236 Aaaaaaand...

Now our Concern Racist bravely shoulders the White Man's Burden.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (XE2Oo)

237 Random-you've done some good work here my son.

Are you sure you're not Sully on the weekends?

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (r2PLg)

238 236 Perhaps the primary thing that separates Humans from "the animals" (like lions, and puppehs, and such) is that Humans can "rise above" their mere biology and choose to ignore and/or suppress their "natural urges." That includes the inclination towards crime (see also: I'm highly inclined to track down Random and punch him in the throat. I'm Human, though, so I'll choose not to. See how that works?)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 15, 2011 04:18 PM (8y9MW)
Well as another human, I encourage you to engage your baser urges. The dumbass deserves it.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (GULKT)

239 That a "man" like Luap Nor can be taken seriously as a presidential candidate in this day and age is disgusting.


Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (iYbLN)

240 As you suggest, his appeal is largely with the "whackjob" wing of the LIBERTARIAN Republican party.

FTFY

Posted by: Vic at December 15, 2011 04:21 PM (YdQQY)

241 >>>They are pure Homo sapiens sapiens: the rest of us are “mutts” (so to speak!), with varying mixtures Homo sapiens sapiens and Homo Neanderthalensis genes. There may be some irony there.

Yeah, let's talk Genetic Superiority Of Certain Races. That won't play into the worst caricatures of conservatives shilled by the Left.

In any event, I think you're as fucked up on your science as Al Gore. As far as I've read, there is no good evidence that there was any intermixing of Neanderthals and modern humans.

Got a link to sow otherwise?

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 15, 2011 04:22 PM (cwKJC)

242 Call Paul and me and anyone else a racist,

Done and done. And done.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 15, 2011 04:22 PM (IGkEP)

243 The Birch trees are all interconnected underground...

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:23 PM (r2PLg)

244 So we have to bury this stuff. Less because of political correctness -- political correctness I can fight and thwart
Horse poop! It is both. Look at this thread alone:
Joffen appears to buy into the "race is an artificial construct" garbage and shivers at the very idea of differences. These people are true science deniers who would discount physiology completely in order to close their minds to any chance that there are differences amongst peoples.
Who is it who destroys lives with cries of racism? Not the wall-eyed loons who take "things too far".
It is both but lets not pretend the race carders aren't the most destructive in their refusal to speak about race.

Posted by: kdny at December 15, 2011 04:23 PM (4vhzd)

245 Just reading some of the thread. Paulbots are out in force. Clueless and uneducated is about all I have to say about them. The SCOAMF and RP are taking advantage of the hordes of stupid people in this nation.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:23 PM (C8am2)

246 If pot were already legal, Ron Paul's support woulf be about 1%.

Posted by: Truman North at December 15, 2011 04:24 PM (I2LwF)

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Posted by: Messers. Coddington & Smythe Armfbrokerf at December 15, 2011 04:24 PM (jAqTK)

248 247

Is that you Bull Conner?

Son, you need an intervention.


Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:24 PM (iYbLN)

249 >>>Its a nice anti-Paul rant, and I completely agree with you on all of it, but just to put things in perspective, Paul finished dead last in the 2008 election cycle, and I don't see any good reason why he'll do much better this time around. As you suggest, his appeal is largely with the "whackjob" wing of the Republican party.

He's polling at 20% in Iowa and a coblogger just pointed out in an email his support is probably higher, because polls tend to miss younger voters who only have cell phones.

Plus, his legions are dedicated, and will overperform by perhaps 100% above his actual level of support, due to the commitment needed to participate in a caucus and stand around all night.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 04:26 PM (nj1bB)

250 (The crime rates in poor East Asian neighborhoods are lower than most black or white middle class neighborhoods.)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 04:16 PM (QcFbt)
In the West. The problem with these types of studies is that there aren't a lot of folks immigrating to China, particularly from Africa. When there are enclaves of reasonably well-off immigrants from the West and from sub-saharan Africa living in Beijing,enclaves that put a premium on stable families and education, and descendents ofAsian and Westernslaves living among the slums of Africa, then we can make meaningful comparisons. Until then, there are too many cultural and historical variables to make this thread of inquiry productive.
Also, isn't testosterone influenced by diet and liefestyle?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 04:26 PM (sEvRn)

251 Now I’m confused.
I thought that as long as we didn’t elect Sarah Palin, everyone else was OK.
Posted by: jwest at December 15, 2011 04:20 PM (8moZm)

Yeah. Good thing she didn't enter the race or conservatives would have been fucked.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:27 PM (C8am2)

252 Just ask Andrew Sullivan- Texas is a fascist state and full of fascists-except me-I'm extra special!

Sully and me share a love of gyno-it's Andy's part time hobby-he hates himself for being strangely interested in Alaska "igloos"...

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:28 PM (r2PLg)

253 Anyway, it's Caucasians that have been the greatest threat to our species: we're the ones, by and large, who invented massively destructive and disruptive technologies, not to mention the artificial intelligence which will probably obsolete ourselves in the very near future. Whereas sub-Saharan Africans and Australian aborigines, to pick two, were living for tens of thousands of years and seemed to be in no great hurry to destroy their future.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:14 PM (YiE0S)
That has to be the greatest deployment of "those noble savages" thinking in years. Bravo.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 04:28 PM (9KqcB)

254 Ron Paul sucks ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at December 15, 2011 04:28 PM (GvYeG)

255 It is both but lets not pretend the race carders aren't the most destructive in their refusal to speak about race.

How so?

Know what I've not heard from Ron Paul or his supporters on the matter?

Anything approaching a solution. Just whining.

Are you promoting segregation? Fine- have at it. Make that argument.

However, unless you're going to offer solutions instead of merely presenting problems, what's the point? In what way are we- or anyone else- served by discussions about disparities in black on white and white on black crime rates?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 04:29 PM (SY2Kh)

256 He's polling at 20% in Iowa and a coblogger just pointed out in an email
his support is probably higher, because polls tend to miss younger
voters who only have cell phones.

I find this statement frightening. We think Obama will be the end of America. Not even close. It would be Ron Paul as president.

Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:30 PM (iYbLN)

257 I gotta say, this thread could have been a lot worse.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:30 PM (zLeKL)

258 Ron Paul orMitt Romney will not be the repub presidentialnominee.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:31 PM (C8am2)

259 "As far as I've read, there is no good evidence that there was any intermixing of Neanderthals and modern humans. "

That's because Shemale Socialist Monthly has cut back on their scientific reporting, but it was widely reported in the heterosexual media:

'Many people alive today possess some Neanderthal ancestry, according to a landmark scientific study.
The finding has surprised many experts, as previous genetic evidence suggested the Neanderthals made little or no contribution to our inheritance.
The result comes from analysis of the Neanderthal genome - the "instruction manual" describing how these ancient humans were put together.
Between 1% and 4% of the Eurasian human genome seems to come from Neanderthals."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8660940.stm


Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 15, 2011 04:31 PM (xx2Hb)

260 Note how ICBM conveniently leaves out the black on black crime statistics.

Because for him and Random it's all about protecting themselves from the Negro Hordes™.

Someone else mentioned the CHAV phenomenon - same thing as the generational welfare families in the US. Lack of a cohesive family structure and a strong father leads to anti-social children.

Race (which is an artificial construct) doesn't enter into it.

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 04:32 PM (y05cf)

261 #235

Paul will probably do better in absolute terms just because there are fewer opposition candidates in the primaries this cycle. But I'd still expect even Perry to wipe the floor with him in SC.

Now, in fairness to Paul, his anti-big government stuff was in play last election cycle too. He's been way ahead of the curve on that.

I don't think its well-appreciated, but I believe Paul even employed the term "tea party" long before Rick Santelli's famous rant on CNBC, If I remember right, there were people showing up at Paul rallies with tri-corner hats and the like BEFORE Obama even got elected. The big difference was that was before the gigantic Obama stimulus that helped galvanize the current Tea Party, which basically left Paul and his isolationist foreign policy in the dust.

Anyway, Paul's appeal is pretty limited. I think with his platform, he's fully capable of running the neat trick of alienating most Democrats AND Republicans if he ever got the appropriate attention.

As to his ability to be a "spoiler" (or rather "kingmaker"), that's only in play if a. he gets a pretty significant chunk of the primary electoral vote, and b. he then chooses to go third party. Will he? He didn't do it last time. While I can't say he's not ornery enough to try it, I'm not holding my breath for it either.

Posted by: looking closely at December 15, 2011 04:32 PM (6Q9g2)

262 I find this statement frightening. We think Obama will be the end of America. Not even close. It would be Ron Paul as president.
Posted by: mpfs at December 15, 2011 04:30 PM (iYbLN)
Yup, screw his racist stuff. I don't see us surviving the reduction in the economy from $15 Trillion to the $450 Billion in gold we happen to have on hand.
Math is hard paultards.

Posted by: robtr at December 15, 2011 04:33 PM (MtwBb)

263 Never mind. Random's not a racist.

I just saw where he offers weekly to fuck a black girl, because it would be totally rad to bang a subhuman.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 15, 2011 04:33 PM (vzFJV)

264 Why so serious?

***

If you take the polls seriously-than you have to take Ron Pau seriously -he is performing better and more consistently in the polls than he did last go around...

I think you err on the side of taking Ron Paul serious...

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:34 PM (r2PLg)

265

Good post.

Conservative writers and thinkers need to stop ignoring Ron Paul and actually address what he thinks. He isn't the longshot, irrelevant candidate he used to be.

I think something like 10% of the population believes that Elvis is still alive, or that the moon landing was faked. This is where Ron Paul's level of support should be.

But it is higher because people do not know what he actually believes. They think he is just a tea-party candidate on steroids. People just need to hear the truth.

So good post.

Posted by: Republican Princess Leia Recording at December 15, 2011 04:35 PM (sWycd)

266 /sock off

Posted by: dan-O at December 15, 2011 04:35 PM (sWycd)

267 Ron Paul isn't going to win Iowa.

I have a feeling that when it actually comes time to pull the lever, people (even judgement impaired Iowa primary voters) will sober up a bit. Only the most delusional believe that Paul has any chance of becoming President.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 04:37 PM (SY2Kh)

268 I don't think its well-appreciated, but I believe
Paul even employed the term "tea party" long before Rick Santelli's
famous rant on CNBC, If I remember right, there were people showing up
at Paul rallies with tri-corner hats and the like BEFORE Obama even got
elected. The big difference was that was before the gigantic Obama
stimulus that helped galvanize the current Tea Party, which basically
left Paul and his isolationist foreign policy in the dust.

Posted by: looking closely at December 15, 2011 04:32 PM

The Tea Party movement as it exists today has nothing whatsoever to do with Ron Paul, nor with anything he preaches. Its genesis was the combination of the Santelli rant, which gave it the name, and the Colorado protests for the stimulus signing, which gave it its preferred format. RuPaul's been trying to claim the movement as his own for years, and he's got absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, so far as I'm aware, Paulians and Truthers (BIRM) are routinely excluded from speaking at Tea Party rallies, and Paulian signs are generally frowned upon.

Posted by: Lou at December 15, 2011 04:37 PM (xp1pq)

269 In what way are we- or anyone else- served by discussions about disparities in black on white and white on black crime rates?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 04:29 PM (SY2Kh)
We're always "served" by honesty andtruth. Period. It's how most people become conservative - reacting to life as it is, not as we wish it to be.
Suppressing honest, open discussion of what millions of Americans live with every day only enflames emotions. Honesty doesn't have to promote hate. We're on the verge of 2012. America is mature enough to talk about this. The old way has done horrible damage.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 04:37 PM (9KqcB)

270

Oh, and wow, this thread really seemed to draw all the racists and anti-semites out of the woodworks

Posted by: dan-O at December 15, 2011 04:37 PM (sWycd)

271 Suppressing honest, open discussion of what millions of Americans live with every day only enflames emotions. Honesty doesn't have to promote hate. We're on the verge of 2012. America is mature enough to talk about this. The old way has done horrible damage.
--------
Yes, but let's have the facts on our side. That always helps.

Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:38 PM (zLeKL)

272 I never thought I'd see this much craziness in a post from Ace. Quick, I must put my tinfoil hat back on and get back into the bunker.

Posted by: MrTea at December 15, 2011 04:39 PM (uSdvi)

273 I am a collosal shitbasket

Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 15, 2011 04:40 PM (xx2Hb)

274 It might be worth mentioning that there is no universal consensus on how many different races there may be. The whole white, black, and asian trifecta is largely a U.S. idea, I believe, and a modern (<100 years) concept. While there are certainly genetic differences between groups, delineating the boundary lines is very subjective and thus makes race an inherently artificial construct.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 15, 2011 04:40 PM (sEvRn)

275
I'm with Ace. If Ron Paul is the nominee, then I am out of the party. Does that mean I'll vote for Obama even if there is a decent third party candidate? Absolutely, if the choice is betweenrisking a crypto-Nazi as president and a real-life social democrat, I'll hold my nose and go with the social democrat.
A Paul candidacy means Obama's re-election, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic House.

Posted by: JeffM at December 15, 2011 04:40 PM (zD0RO)

276 There's actually been tons of new studies in recent years that are
teasing apart the genetic structure and history of humans. Razib Khan at
the Gene Expression blog does a good job of tracking them.



Already you can get a blood test and be told your rough genetic "racial"
background. If the word race bothers you, substitute ethnicity or just
genetic sub-population.

It'll be another decade or so before the genetic data is all sorted out, but the model is coming into focus.



The broad categories we use ("white", "black") have serious limitations.
Especially "black" since there is much more variation in sub-saharan
blacks than european whites because sub-saharan blacks have been around a
lot longer, more time for evolution to work it's magic.



Gist:

about 50k years a group broke off from the sub-saharan African humans
and moved into eurasia where they interbred with the existing hominims
like the neanderthals.

(this is why everbody is 5% neanderthal except sub-saharan africans).



Of that new hybrid group, one branch split off and settled Australia.
The other settled eurasia, splitting into west and east eurasians.



There's a good map here of the model



And, of course, in recent centuries there's been vastly more mixing than in the tens of thousands of years before now.



The naive model of rigid racial or ethnic buckets to sort people is
false. But that doesn't mean we don't fit easily into identifiable
genetic sub-populations that a simple blood test can determine.



And you there are groups within groups. The boundaries are fuzzy. We are
mammals, we are primate, we are humans, some of us are eurasian, then
east asian, then Korean, then a particular fishing village in Korea,
then a particular family, etc, etc. And there are always groups we are
basically in the center of, and others on other scales that we are on
the border (like between two families).



You can scale up and down the genetic groupings. The broadest categories get labeled "race" which has tons of baggage.



It's actually a very exciting time as the genetic history of humanity is being discovered.





Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM (QcFbt)

277 @CJ -

The problem here is that you want to assign to race a trait that has nothing to do with race.

Criminality has nothing to do with race or poverty, and everything to do with culture.

Control for single-parent households, race disparities in crime disappear.

Figures don't lie, but liars figure. So do racists and other forms of demagogue.

If we're going to get anywhere with the problem of disparate criminality, we need to get over the idea that there's something called "authentic black" culture. Either you're an American, or you aren't. Pick one and stick with it.

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM (y05cf)

278 Of course I'm playing my best card...I don't really want this...why so serious?

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM (r2PLg)

279 The newsletters are bad at parts (some parts, like calling attention to crazily out of balance crime rates are just politically incorrect) and the primary reason I've never thought that Ron Paul can win a general election. That said, a staunch individualist who once wanted Walter Williams as his VP, and loves (above all else) Murray Rothbard (who I actually don't like) and Ludwig von Mises is not racist anti-semite. I do see, however, that Paul's unfortunate "own goal" in associating with people like Lew Rockwell (who probably wrote newsletters) is a convenient way to marginalize someone who shows just how full of shit the Republican Party's claimed affinity with small government and constitutional rule really is.

The party can nominate Ron Paul if it chooses. At which point it's none
of my concern, as I'm officially out of a party that chooses to wed
itself to a neoconfederate, Bircher crank with a long history of
dabbling in racial paranoia about "The Coming Race War" and courting
fringe luantics.

I guess you did choose to go with pissing yourself, then. Well, good riddance. The Republican Party's barely worth a damn anymore nowadays, anyway.

Posted by: MlR at December 15, 2011 04:42 PM (/v94V)

280 Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 15, 2011 04:40 PM (xx2Hb)
Paulbots: winning friends, influencing people.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 15, 2011 04:42 PM (FkKjr)

281 #260 Ace,

As you probably know "Ron Paul polls" and "reality" are two entirely different things. Bluntly, I'd take any polling of Ron Paul in Iowa now with a gigantic grain of salt.

And more to the point, the Iowa caucus is basically meaningless anyway.

Who won Iowa in 2008? Huckabee, with 35% of the vote! Then Romney (25%), Thompson (13%), and McCain (13%) in that order. Paul pulled fifth place with a whopping 10% of the vote.

The "best" true early measure of a candidates strength is the SC primary. That's an actual primary (not a caucus") involving actual registered Republican voters in the actually conservative State of SC. That's the poll where Paul-bot couldn't even scrape up 1-in-20 voters last cycle.

So, again, wake me up when Paul captures some meaningful percentage of that vote, and I'll start to think about what he might mean.

Posted by: looking closely at December 15, 2011 04:42 PM (6Q9g2)

282 Look I get that this isn't PC but... AIDS is almost entirely driven by homosexual behavior, it is a politically protected disease, and the gay activist lobby had a lot to do with why AIDS research gets 10 times the money that cancer research does, despite having a fraction the victims. It takes a particularly dull and clueless person to not recognize the political aspects of AIDS funding and the way this disease is handled in the press and by politicians.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 15, 2011 04:43 PM (r4wIV)

283 Suppressing honest, open discussion of what millions of Americans live with every day only enflames emotions. Honesty doesn't have to promote hate. We're on the verge of 2012. America is mature enough to talk about this. The old way has done horrible damage. -------- Yes, but let's have the facts on our side. That always helps.
Posted by: Joffen at December 15, 2011 04:38 PM (zLeKL)
Sure. All the facts. Not just the ones we picked up from an ABC After School Special.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 04:44 PM (9KqcB)

284 LOL, true comedy. Plus even a funnier thread than usual.
What's amazing about this circular firing squad of y'all'sis that it shows no signs whatsover of abating. In fact it's getting worse. Bachmann. Cain. Gingrich. Romney. "Lincoln-Douglas" debates. Vaccines. Affairs. Payoffs. Country clubs. Lobbying. Border fences. Talk about a theatre of the absurd. We could not have scripted this any better.Now to add injury to insult you've got to deal with the absurdity of Ron Paul's farce of a candidacy and his collection of useful idiots, stupefied college and grad students and basement-dwelling anti-Semites and black helicopter freaks.
While Main Street is worried about losing their jobs and keeping their homes y'all are busy having pissing matches about nonsense. Atleast when we have primary contests we don't let the likes of Kucinich set the agenda.Even our people are not that stupid.
Stay classy,rubes. We'll see you at Barack's 2nd inauguration. Then we'll see you again inNovember 2016, right after Palin concedes to Andrew Cuomo. Heh.

Posted by: David Axelrod at December 15, 2011 04:44 PM (f8XyF)

285 @220: "Whereas sub-Saharan Africans and Australian aborigines, to pick two, were living for tens of thousands of years and seemed to be in no great hurry to destroy their future."
Don't know about those Austrailian folks, but we respectfully disagree.

Posted by: The Ashanti, Zulu, and Xhosa at December 15, 2011 04:46 PM (jAqTK)

286 Here's the genetic map of humanity. It's Razib's own work. His blog is a Discover mag. He's one of the most prominent science bloggers (and an atheist right-winger!) and it's his interpretation of the recent papers coming out of Science mag and other top publications.
http://tinyurl.com/82s82fh

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 04:46 PM (QcFbt)

287 Control for single-parent households, race disparities in crime disappear.
Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM (y05cf)
I'm with you here....almost. It's probably 90% of the cause. ButI'm afraid the crime and education disparities don't completely disappear. So we're not all identically the same. It's not the end of civilization. Scientifically, it would be shocking if we did have identical traits.

Posted by: CJ at December 15, 2011 04:49 PM (9KqcB)

288 Yeah *if* Ron Paul wins the Republican primary, then I'm not a Republican anymore either, but short of the physical incapacitation of multiple other higher-tier candidates, I find it hard to see how that's going to happen.

A "spoiler" scenario where a third-party Paul captured enough of the vote to swing the election (or act as "kingmaker") is far more probable. In that case, the actual Republican nominee would probably be smart enough to buy off Paul somehow, rather than let him hand the election to Obama a la Ross Perot and Clinton.





Posted by: looking closely at December 15, 2011 04:49 PM (6Q9g2)

289 If we're going to get anywhere with the problem of disparate criminality, we need to get over the idea that there's something called "authentic black" culture. Either you're an American, or you aren't. Pick one and stick with it.
Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM (y05cf)

I may sound simplistic in all of this "reasoned" discussion about natural criminality according to race, but the black violence as we know it today didn't really exist until after 1965. Anyone remember the "GreatSociety"? It was unadulterated socialism directed almost entirely towards blacks and it's still dragging them down and killling them. Probably moreso than slavery ever did.
If you want to kill freedom and people, introduce socialism.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:50 PM (C8am2)

290 >>>I guess you did choose to go with pissing yourself, then. Well, good riddance. The Republican Party's barely worth a damn anymore nowadays, anyway.

You pine for a time when Bircherism was acceptable, and a bit of racism was understood as natural and right. I don't.

I'm fucking sick of hearing that Jim Crow wasn't a goddamned problem until the "Yankee Carpetbaggers" made trouble in the natural racial order of things by telling Ignorant Negroes this was "racism" rather than "God's will."

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2011 04:50 PM (nj1bB)

291 @234: "does Hitlers totally white Germany ring any bells with you "
Bad example of criminality. What the Nazis did was legal - they specifically set up laws to allow it. They were basically triedfor a bunch of ex post facto crimes. The morality of what they did is far different, though

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 15, 2011 04:51 PM (jAqTK)

292 Paul not only inserts pork spending and earmarks into appropriations bills he later votes against when they are certain of passage, he has been one of the leading Republicans in the House at doing so for years. "Man of principle?"

Remember how he ran for President on a platform he believed strongly in which called for "open borders," a basic Libertarian Party founding principle, and how he kept true to that belief UNTIL his Texas constituents became concerned about illegal immigration? "Man of principle?"

Paul's only defense against the charge of being an evil, antisemitic, racist, lying charlatan is insanity. It might work.


Posted by: Adjoran at December 15, 2011 04:51 PM (VfmLu)

293 "Look I get that this isn't PC but... AIDS is almost entirely driven by homosexual behavior."

Quite.

I'm pretty strongly established here as being OK with gay people in general, but biology is what it is.

Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:54 PM (YiE0S)

294 Thank you for being people who can think independently of dogma and conformist social pressure, kdny and Clubber Lang.
Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 04:41 PM


OOooooh the Random "Gold Star", nicely played my pet.

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 04:54 PM (r2PLg)

295 One thing I've learned: Random is a crazy Paultard obsessed with race. Good to know.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2011 04:56 PM (T0NGe)

296 The "best" true early measure of a candidates strength is the SC
primary. That's an actual primary (not a caucus") involving actual
registered Republican voters

Not any more.

Posted by: Activist judges at December 15, 2011 04:57 PM (T0NGe)

297 Two Words: Lyndon LaRouche.

Posted by: Dee Dee Ramone at December 15, 2011 04:57 PM (UdPlZ)

298 The science backs Ron Paul and conservatives, and by conservatives I don't mean the cross dressing U-Haul renting sitcom watching pose-with-food-for-pictures trannies here, I mean real conservatives; you can win the issue and frame Dems as unscientific rubes.
Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 15, 2011 04:52 PM (xx2Hb)

If you ever have to move, please don't move into my neighborhood. We won't like you here.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:58 PM (C8am2)

299 The places that create the most wealth are ones where populations have
the highest IQ. The places where they create the least wealth are ones
where populations have the lowest IQ.And IQ is both hereditary and as a result of nurture, but mainly hereditary.

So basically:

1) correlation = causation
2) people with a lower IQ are predisposed to jackin yo shit up, because those poor dears are just too dumb to know any better.

Your research skills should serve you well at the Al Gore Institute For Global Frightening and Indulgence Peddling.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 04:58 PM (+lsX1)

300 We're always "served" by honesty and truth. Period. It's how most people become conservative - reacting to life as it is, not as we wish it to be.
And how are we being served by this discussion?
Do you really think that there's single person in this thread that doesn't already know that there are disparities in crime rates?
Why keep hammering on it? What point are you trying to make? Do you have one? If so, spit it out. If not, why the motivation to put words to screen in the first place?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 05:00 PM (SY2Kh)

301 I don't understand the IQ-denial thing. IQ (it's called "g" in the psych literature) is a real thing. It's one of many, many psychometric traits we can quantify and measure -- like reaction time, color vision, hearing. We can measure knowledge, we can measure skill, we can measure a tremendous range of mental and emotional traits.

Insisting IQ isn't real and highly predictive is just ostrich-thinking at it's worst. There are libraries filled with journal papers on the subject.

IQ has also been shown to be about 60% heritable. About the same as height. These are just known facts.

We don't know all the genes that influence IQ or the magnitude of their effect. The current guess is that there are likely many dozen or hundreds of genes which all have a small effect.

We also don't know all the environmental factors that effect IQ and their magnitude. There's a great deal we don't now.

But insisting it's not real is just odd.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 05:01 PM (QcFbt)

302 Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 04:50 PM (C8am2)

Amen brother. I'll take Sowell's writings over Paul any day.

Posted by: ryukyu at December 15, 2011 05:01 PM (MOHSR)

303 Random-

Good move not using the-

I (Random) and millions of others interpreted X the same way- formula on this thread....

We wouldn't want you to look like an unscrupulous hypocrite.

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:01 PM (r2PLg)

304 You can tell a Paulbot, but you can't tell him much.

@Soona - Pretty much what I was getting at - culture not race is the problem. And when you take a group of people and use their race and past grievances as a way to sell them an even more destructive culture, well, you see the results.

It's telling to note that Sowell, Williams and Cosby were all born and grew up in the 30s/40s.

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 05:02 PM (y05cf)

305 Here's Alex Jones following around Michele Malkin, shouting at her for being a "neocon" (he has referred to her as a "monster" and "Marxist").

Few people have done more for conservative causes than Michelle Malkin. This Alex Jones guy (wheoever the fuck he is) is out of his mind.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 15, 2011 05:02 PM (KXXIv)

306 A Ron Paul thread, huh? Complete with "science" about racial differences?


I'm glad I spent the afternoon at Cabela's.

Posted by: Y-not, still for Perry at December 15, 2011 05:02 PM (5H6zj)

307 307 "The science backs Ron Paul and conservatives, and by conservatives I don't mean the cross dressing U-Haul renting sitcom watching pose-with-food-for-pictures trannies here, I mean real conservatives; you can win the issue and frame Dems as unscientific rubes."
Yeah, that'll work! Let usknow when you get around to including Da Joos inyour 'Small Brain High Testosterone' groupings, and then we are all SO in there!

Posted by: "Real Conservatives" everywhere, formerly known as the Nazi Party at December 15, 2011 05:02 PM (1Rgee)

308 Science!

Posted by: Random Phrenologist at December 15, 2011 05:02 PM (YDHm5)

309 Look I get that this isn't PC but... AIDS is almost entirely driven by homosexual behavior, it is a politically protected disease, and the gay activist lobby had a lot to do with why AIDS research gets 10 times the money that cancer research does...

And? So what?

Are you suggesting we go with the surefire winning political strategy of making reductions in AIDS research a campaign plank?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 05:03 PM (SY2Kh)

310 While Main Street is worried about losing their jobs and keeping their
homes y'all are busy having pissing matches about nonsense.

Um no. Glorious capitalism in the entertainment market has shown without a doubt that the public would much rather oogle and hem and haw about the nonsense than actually listen to real arguments about the economy, ideology, philosophy etc. And if WE don't get this stuff discussed NOW, Obama's team is sure to bring up this stuff during the campaign to distract.

So when would you suggest we discuss all the distracting sensational issues? Now in the primary so they will be old old news by next November and pretty much useless to distract away from the economy, or next October as a big surprise with a bow?

Idiot

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at December 15, 2011 05:03 PM (0q2P7)

311
Help me, Obi-Ron Paul. You're my only hope.

(if Obi-Ron is our only hope, we're sooooo screwed)

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 15, 2011 05:04 PM (1hM1d)

312 Funny how so few of the folks who wrap their arguments in "Science" have ever bothered to actually become scientists.

Posted by: Y-not, an actual scientist for Perry at December 15, 2011 05:05 PM (5H6zj)

313 Are you suggesting we go with the surefire winning political strategy of making reductions in AIDS research a campaign plank?

I don't know that it would be plank-worthy, but to redirect a good chunk of it towards Leukemia and other diseases that we still have no clue about from one that we know how to prevent wouldn't hurt. And when you consider that the people who would scream the most aren't exactly going to vote for us anyhow (how well did Bush's campaign against AIDS in Africa do with that group), I'd go for it.

Because you know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd do it just to spite us.

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 05:07 PM (y05cf)

314 The places that create the most wealth are ones where populations have
the highest IQ. The places where they create the least wealth are ones
where populations have the lowest IQ.

Almost forgot to give you credit for cracking the reason why billions of large-brained Chinese and Indian folks have accumulated so much wealth. Nice work Einstein.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 05:07 PM (+lsX1)

315 I say we all get packed up and move to Bali until election day. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 05:08 PM (C8am2)

316 No can do, Soona. Wouldn't want to be the one that causes it to tip over now, would ya?

Posted by: brian at December 15, 2011 05:09 PM (y05cf)

317 It's also funny how people who say that they're not really racist for portraying certain races as inferiors with lower IQs and prone to crime. They're just doing science.

Know who else likes to endlessly cite such science? White Supremacist douchebags. The difference being that they're honest about why they make the argument and what their goals (despicable though they may be) are.

The Ron Paul types cite the same statistics, but would have us believe that they're saying it for no reason whatsoever. Just spreading the truth. Science.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 05:12 PM (SY2Kh)

318 Are you suggesting we go with the surefire winning political strategy of making reductions in AIDS research a campaign plank?


You're getting straw all over the room again, Hollow. It seems to be a habit with you.


I was just pointing out that not everything the Paul newsletter said about AIDS is so kooky. People on the right have gotten really drunk on the kool ade when it comes to gay issues.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 15, 2011 05:12 PM (r4wIV)

319 Best way to divide a pluralistic society is to divide it against itself...

Throw water in the cracks...hope for a freeze.

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:12 PM (r2PLg)

320 I'm really not that different from the other class warfare-"warriors".....

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:14 PM (r2PLg)

321 This Alex Jones guy (whoever the fuck he is) is out of his mind.
But as our host once pointed out, he has mesmerizing man-boobs.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at December 15, 2011 05:14 PM (W54Uh)

322 I don't see why any of this should cause any particular emotional
reaction. I mean seriously, calm down. Reality will still be the same
even if you understand it.

This isn't a post about the science of genetics and human evolution. Your whole discussion is irrelevant to the topic and to politics in general.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at December 15, 2011 05:16 PM (0q2P7)

323 I'm not really talking about superiority vs. inferiority. I'm talking
about unequal distribution of traits. You are the one, for example, who
is subjectively assuming greater intelligence is a virtue. And certainly
it can be useful in many circumstances.

Aside from encountering Cthulhu there are no situations on planet earth where intellect is a downside, including the convoluted scenario you are trying to cook up right now in your head. So stop pretending you aren't arguing superiority vs. inferiority.
I find intelligence interesting*, but ultimately I believe it will
destroy our species with the creation of an artificial
intelligence Technological Singularity.

Firstly, mankind is nowhere near a 'singularity'. No machine has even passed the Turing Test, and nobody is even close to figuring out how to get a machine to think.

Secondly, nobody knows what a 'singularity' would actually do. Just because your notions of AI come from Terminator and the Matrix doesn't mean a singularity would want to wipe out mankind. It may totally not care. It may want to help. It may spend all it's time folding paper airplanes. You may as well claim that the Hadron Collider will summon a world-ending demon.

Also, the US was founded in part upon pursuit of happiness grounds.
Intelligence may correlate with greater wealth and status, but there
seems to be much weaker evidence that it effectively contributes to happiness. Many people have found it a curse.

A curse is being born a woman in Afghanistan, or to be born a slave, or to be born to abusive parents. Being smart? Only somebody living in first-world comfort, with ample food, shelter, and entertainment, who has never faced starvation or the possibility of freezing to death could be stupid enough to believe that intellect isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 15, 2011 05:16 PM (FkKjr)

324 Best way to divide a pluralistic society is to divide it against itself... Throw water in the cracks...hope for a freeze.
Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:12 PM (r2PLg)

It's the marxist way. The SCOAMF is succeeding in this particular ideal.

Posted by: Soona at December 15, 2011 05:17 PM (C8am2)

325 I'm going to smoke a flavored cigar before their banned by the Congress. I'm glad they've solved all other problems.


Posted by: Barbarian-Merciless Paul Supporter at December 15, 2011 05:17 PM (EL+OC)

326 why any of this should cause any particular emotional reaction. I mean seriously, calm down.

*****

Why so serious?

Nice variant.

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:19 PM (r2PLg)

327 On the bright side, if Ron "Eyebrow Toupee" Paul is the GOP nominee there will be a write-in at the "broken" GOP Convention where we may finally see Republicans riot. This could be second only to the Tebow-Winning-The-Superbowl riots, but we will have experience by the convention in throwing stuff.

I am getting ready to move to Canada since they just demanded that Mooslems have to remove their veils or something, PLUS pulling out of the Kyoto Treaty global swarming thingie. GO CANADA!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 15, 2011 05:20 PM (baL2B)

328 334
Oh, and as far as a Paultard goes, I oppose Paul and said so in my very
first comment. So you're really loose with the facts there, aren't you,
AmishDude?


Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 05:10 PM (YiE0S)
How are you not a Paultard?You believe in all their stuff.You defend the worst of their beliefs.And you have their manners and sense of decorum.You start by stating your lack of support with Ron Paul and then follow it with a "but" (or "however").Everything before "but" is BS.

Posted by: Activist judges at December 15, 2011 05:22 PM (T0NGe)

329 I was just pointing out that not everything the Paul newsletter
said about AIDS is so kooky. People on the right have gotten really
drunk on the kool ade when it comes to gay issues.

Umm... OK. Only most of it was kooky.

Every kook manages to spit out non-kooky stuff intermingled with Teh Krazy. Doesn't make them less kooky.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 05:23 PM (SY2Kh)

330 Black-robed sock off.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2011 05:23 PM (T0NGe)

331 The IQ data is true and has been verified over and over.

But you can't mention it because you'll immediately bring about a knee-jerk reaction from the folks who want to mention Hitler and Master Race in the same sentence.

I have a different ax to grind. Say that an IQ of 120 was determined to be the minimum that would guarantee a high school student success in college. Said number, based on research, is pretty close to actual. But look at the percentage of the population with that number. If half the population has an above average IQ and the other half below average, then even if a 100 IQ guaranteed success in college, high schools should on average encouraging half their students into technical, or trade training, or nail salon-ing school. Instead, year after year, all we hear is we need to spend more money to send more students to college. As if that is the magic answer to raising the ability to recognize patterns which is the basis of an IQ test.

More students in college, more student loans, more defaults on student loans, more unemployed college graduates dropping a deuce on police cars or wandering around Wall Street littering... how the hell does that benefit society?

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 05:23 PM (phlKA)

332 Australian aborigines!

An alliteration!

Astounding!

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:25 PM (r2PLg)

333 Finally! Random you're on a subject that you know~

Acultural Anthropology!

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 15, 2011 05:27 PM (r2PLg)

334 For another trait, Australian aborigines have greater visual abilities
and reaction time; they perceive motion and spacial relationships better
than whites do.

Or - and this is a totally crazy theory - perhaps spending your life hunting makes you more perceptive?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 15, 2011 05:29 PM (FkKjr)

335 More students in college, more student loans, more defaults on student
loans, more unemployed college graduates dropping a deuce on police cars
or wandering around Wall Street littering... how the hell does that
benefit society?
Hmm, yes good point. Citizens should be directed toward those vocational opportunities defined by the results of their state administered tests. Top Men in government will define what those results make you suitable for, so as to best ensure that all your efforts are first and foremost for the benefit of society!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 05:32 PM (+lsX1)

336 Every kook manages to spit out non-kooky stuff intermingled with Teh Krazy. Doesn't make them less kooky.


Fair enough, even Pol Pot wasn't wrong every single time he opened his mouth. Its just good to remember that sometimes. Ron Paul has some smart, good things to say mixed in with his atrocious stuff, and like Ace points out, he's a massive hypocrite.


As for IQ, I'd say the concept of intelligence as compared to age is a valid one, but I seriously question the ability of the IQ test to actually measure that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 15, 2011 05:33 PM (r4wIV)

337
not that i'm a Ron Paul supporter, but i find i may have to start using a new phrase to describe this flurry of conservative anti-Paul-mania:
Ron Paul Derangement Syndrome.
(out of sheer spite for the old guard, I hope he wins Iowa)
better Paul than a Progressive Republican like Mittens or Newt...
i ain't voting for anymore progressives, ever, no matter what letter is after their name.

the GOP can nominate Bachmann or Santorum and get my full support.

Posted by: shoey at December 15, 2011 05:34 PM (jdOk/)

338 @356 Well, if the State is paying for your college education then that's not totally unreasonable.

As it is right now the State (meaning all of us) massively subsidize college educations where large #s of people study whatever seems interesting to their alcohol 19 year old brain this Tuesday. If they were just wasting 4-6 years of their own time that's one thing. But the rest of society has often spent or "loaned" them $100k in the meantime.

With grade school and high school the State does pretty much tell you exactly what you will study. Totally in grade school, and within a narrow range in high school.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 05:36 PM (QcFbt)

339 I'll never vote forRonPaul but 4 years ago he was the only one talking about the Feds monetary policy (ie quantitative easing) and the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afgh. Both issues have grown in importance to me and I'm glad he brings them to the debate table. I can't see him winning any primary. Last time around ish polling numbers looked waaay better than his election result percentages.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 15, 2011 05:37 PM (w3YD7)

340 Reason reported in 1991 he paid his Wife and Daughter a salary from the Newsletters. So did the Wife and Daughter of Paul know the contents of these newsletters or not???? if not how not? Is Mrs. Paul a racist?

Paul was the lone vote against the Rosa Parks medal then lied about the funding of it when questioned....then hypocritically was co-sponsor of a boy scouts medal that actually did cost taxpayers money unlike the Parks medal.

Posted by: jp at December 15, 2011 05:38 PM (x7byD)

341 I always appreciate Ace's brevity.

Posted by: Salty Alaskan at December 15, 2011 05:40 PM (0Wc5K)

342 the GOP can nominate Bachmann or Santorum and get my full support.
Why not just skip the middleman and nominate Obama?
Oh, that's right- I forgot. Actually winning the election is unimportant. Only seeing our beliefs and preferences validated by the choice in nominee matters. Not their ability to garner votes.

It's really a win if we're entertained enough by seeing the nominee "fight" and lose the election. Or something.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 15, 2011 05:41 PM (SY2Kh)

343 As it is right now the State (meaning all of us) massively subsidize
college educations where large #s of people study whatever seems
interesting to their alcohol 19 year old brain this Tuesday. If they
were just wasting 4-6 years of their own time that's one thing. But the
rest of society has often spent or "loaned" them $100k in the meantime.

Got it. Excellent points. State schools should charge people that score below an arbitrary number in an IQ test $100,000 more for tuition, so as to discourage their attendance. Also, what about this - a poll tax! See, because dumb people don't vote right, they should be discouraged. It's for society.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 05:41 PM (+lsX1)

344
"Why not just skip the middleman and nominate Obama?"

or you could just suck the lint from my asshole now... in other words, save your breath, not listening.

Posted by: shoey at December 15, 2011 05:44 PM (jdOk/)

345 Top Men in government will define what those results make you suitable
for, so as to best ensure that all your efforts are first and foremost
for the benefit of society!

You should take that argument up with the Brits who examined IQ scores of freshmen and came to the obviously racist conclusion that they were the best predictor of success in college. Not scores on standardized tests. Or whether Suzy was an accomplished cheerleader with splits that would set the crowd ablaze.

I don't know about you, but if the average student racks up around 50k (iirc) in student loans, then defaults, that's not a win for society. Unless you think the multi-hundred billions in home mortgage defaults which our children and grandchildren will be paying back for the next twenty plus years was full of win.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 05:45 PM (phlKA)

346 362
Reason reported in 1991 he paid his Wife and Daughter a salary from the
Newsletters. So did the Wife and Daughter of Paul know the contents of
these newsletters or not???? if not how not? Is Mrs. Paul a racist?

Note that Paul can't just make the claim he didn't have any editorial control of the newsletters (actually kind of plausible) but that he never even read them.

As if fanboys just used his name to sell newsletters and, being the principled guy he is, Paul didn't demand they take off his name.

Well now we know, he was drawing a check from it.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2011 05:54 PM (T0NGe)

347 Since you don't give a shit about stopping Obama and
supporting the Republican party, since half or three quarters of a loaf
is not good enough for you, you want home delivery of a fine rich cake
with gourmet icing for a dollar, to hell with you and your opinions.You're the boy who takes his ball and goes home if he doesn't get to select the rest of the team.I hope you come around and join the game, on the game's terms. (If not, fuck ya, 'cause in that case you truly don't matter.)


Posted by: Random at December 15, 2011 05:49 PM (YiE0S)
Yeah, right, you're not a Paultard.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 15, 2011 05:54 PM (T0NGe)

348 @365 That was incoherent. No idea what you're talking about.

The point remains, if the State (society, the taxpayer) is paying you to study it's not that unreasonable to expect the state to have a say in what you study. Both in principle and in practice.

When people discover we are giving left-wing morons a free $100k to study puppetry, they think, hey, couldn't that $100k have been used to train a nurse or two? Or an engineer? Or somebody useful?

Regardless of whether it's wise for the State to direct fields of study -- it's inevitable when the State is the bill-payer.

When your rich uncle is paying for your college, he tends to think it's ok to put restrictions on what you can and cannot use the money on.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 05:59 PM (QcFbt)

349 I mean seriously... just how fucking tough is it to get an above average
score on an IQ test? Comparing a stop sign to an apple and an orange vs
an upside down stop sign and coming to a conclusion as to which one is
closest? Even Ted Kennedy, in an upside Oldsmobile in a shallow creek
with a raging boner, would get that one right.



Idiocracy has descended upon us and I don't see anything but a future filled with FAIL.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 05:59 PM (phlKA)

350 I don't know about you, but if the average student racks up around 50k
(iirc) in student loans, then defaults, that's not a win for society. Unless
you think the multi-hundred billions in home mortgage defaults which
our children and grandchildren will be paying back for the next twenty
plus years was full of win.
Personally, I don't give a rats ass about whether or not my economic decisions benefit society. Anyone that whines about something not helping society usually does so in the process of revealing himself as a statist leech. I lean more toward the free will camp than your centrally planned "wisdom of the betters" style of governing.

Non dischargeable, crushing student loans are often a tragedy for they dumbass that borrowed the money, but if they and their lender enter the arrangement willingly, they both took a risk. Borrowers never complain about the unfairness of loans when they turn out to be a good investment.

I'm not sure why preventing someone with an IQ of 119 from going to college would have saved the housing market, but I certainly look forward to the next issue of your newsletter which will tie all the loose ends together.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 06:04 PM (+lsX1)

351 But Ron Paul brings home the bacon...lots of it

Posted by: Ron Paul's District at December 15, 2011 06:07 PM (tBMfq)

352 His daughter and Mrs. Paul were likely drawing a salary for doing nothing: Tax Evasion

But it would be a great question to ask Paul directly.

Posted by: jp at December 15, 2011 06:08 PM (x7byD)

353 I'd also like to know if Rand Paul ever drew a salary from the Ron Paul newsletters

Posted by: jp at December 15, 2011 06:08 PM (x7byD)

354 Actually, one hope I have for the future is the discovery of IQ-boosting pharmaceuticals.

If, for example, people with higher IQs produce certain protein at higher levels, then that might be artificially boosted.

We don't know the neural structure behind IQ yet. Are the neurological pathways setup more efficiently in smart people than in dumb people. Are these primary pathways hardened at a young age and impossible to improve later on.

IQ is set quite young and then remains stable for most of life until age, disease, accidents lower it.

Practice at certain skills as an adult improves the efficiency of the pathways, but "g" seems to remain the same.

There is some data to suggest that actual nerve transmission speed is higher in smarter people. They have faster reflexes. The data isn't super strong, but it's interesting.

Size of working memory is a big factor. So perhaps we could develop drugs to permanently increase the size of your working memory.

In the long run we'll eventually discover IQ-boosting genes and use genetic engineering to boost the IQs of future humans, but that's generations away.

IQ-boosting drugs hold out more short term (a decade or two) hope.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 15, 2011 06:09 PM (QcFbt)

355 Ace Ace Ace, are you still trying to figure out why the FBI wasn't arresting Arabs or Muslims on 9/11. Ace is still trying to crack the Truther label. Ace has visions of Alex Jones hiding under at night.

Fox News in full blown Truther mode back in Dec 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo


Posted by: William R at December 15, 2011 06:10 PM (XzSRs)

356 I mean seriously... just how fucking tough is it to get an above average
score on an IQ test? Comparing a stop sign to an apple and an orange vs
an upside down stop sign and coming to a conclusion as to which one is
closest? Even Ted Kennedy, in an upside Oldsmobile in a shallow creek
with a raging boner, would get that one right.

Are you trying to make the point that most people should be able to score above average on the test? I guess I can see why you'd be so bitter about college not being for everyone.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 06:11 PM (+lsX1)

357 So this entry goes on and outlines everything wrong with Ron Paul using unreliable information not even written by him and the conspiracy that he's a closet racist. All written by someone who supports the worst of the worst, Newt Gingrich.

When Barack Obama gets, if mini-Obama Gingrich is the RNC candidate, his second term don't be upset when the Republicans lose all validity. We'll end up seeing Democrats as presidents for the coming decades if Obama wins in 2012. It's almost like you Republicans want to throw the election.

Posted by: Jon at December 15, 2011 06:14 PM (dRrOy)

358 Non dischargeable, crushing student loans are often a tragedy for they dumbass that borrowed the money

You apparently have never run a business larger then a corner lemonade stand. Borrowers (even dumbasses) increase demand upon a limited supply of money. Businesses pay higher interest rates when demand is high. Higher interest rates cut off RD and innovation and increase prices to consumers. Business 101.

Pissing hundreds of billions of dollars away on student loans? I'm glad you don't have an issue with that. Maybe we should irrigate our croplands with Gatorade?

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 06:14 PM (phlKA)

359 Ace still hasn't figured out why Neo Nazi leader Don Black of Stormfront was organizing street demonstrations for Dubya Bush during the Florida recount fiasco in Dec 2000

http://tinyurl.com/82mhde4

Ace Ace Ace, he didn't know it, but he was cheering on Don Black in 2000

Posted by: William R at December 15, 2011 06:16 PM (XzSRs)

360 You apparently have never run a business larger then a corner lemonade
stand. Borrowers (even dumbasses) increase demand upon a limited supply
of money. Businesses pay higher interest rates when demand is high.
Higher interest rates cut off RD and innovation and increase prices
to consumers. Business 101.
Hmmm, yes, excellent point. This would explain why interest rates are at such historically high levels right now. The flood of dumb people going to college has starved innovators of capital, preventing you from getting that sex robot you expected by 2009 at the latest. This is clearly why there has been no advancement in technology for the last 20 years. High interest rates. These high interest rates also caused the decline in the housing market because they cleverly disguised themselves as low interest rates. Thanks a lot dumb people.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 06:22 PM (+lsX1)

361 I lean more toward the free will camp than your centrally planned "wisdom of the betters" style of governing.



Go ahead, use your free will to send your spawn off to Pedo State
college where their below average IQ means they're going to spend more
time in the shower with Jerry Sandusky studying anatomy then in the classroom.

No, I'm not saying there should be some absolute state sanctified minimum in pattern recognition skills. But if you think the huge spectrum between 50 and 110 doesn't need some trimming, then you just don't want to get it.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 06:24 PM (phlKA)

362 No, I'm not saying there should be some absolute state sanctified
minimum in pattern recognition skills. But if you think the huge
spectrum between 50 and 110 doesn't need some trimming, then you just
don't want to get it.

More terrific points! If only there were some kind of standardized test that institutions of higher learning could use to limit admissions. Some kind of, say, standard aptitude test that could be used to measure problem solving skills and general knowledge. Until they get some Top Men like you in charge, I guess the smart students will just have to live with the hordes of 50 iq, subliterate retards that are crawling all over college campus' these days. It's a shame really.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 06:33 PM (+lsX1)

363 whoa....fox news is in full on attack gingrich mode pre debate......from megan kelly this afternoon to bret baier this evening.....it`s not eventhinly veiled ...i hope they treat obama with this much vitriole next fall......

Posted by: russ hines at December 15, 2011 06:37 PM (GkHqV)

364 err,vitriol.....

Posted by: russ hines at December 15, 2011 06:39 PM (GkHqV)

365 It's a shame really.

It actually is. As far as the 119 IQ... that was what my daughter scored. Her school
counselors approached my wife and I with that information. They told us
that she most likely would have a difficult time in college. We conveyed
that
information to her and she kept her nose to the grindstone for four
plus years and graduated. She did not have an easy time at all, and she kept her grades a mystery to us. She took more 'basket-weaving' courses then I
wanted, but she graduated. Someday I'll eventually repay the debt we
incurred
on her behalf but until then I'm the proud parent of a... mother. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but we could have spent a helluva lot less money and achieved the same result.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 06:39 PM (phlKA)

366 Umm, first off Ron Paul is the only R I couldn't pull a lever for. But something in this thread bothers me, Doublethink has seized most folks minds and they aren't aware of it apparently so lemme toss a turd in the punchbowl.....

Celebrate Diversity.... even here it is the rule of the day, but only with the proviso that we also accept the progressive doublethink that we only celebrate diversity if we accept it as holy writ that it really doesn't matter. All races are great... because they are absolutely identical in every possible way. All arrangements of genitials, preferences for rubbing said genitals against other genitals, surgical alterations of same, all wonderful.. but perfectly and absolutely meaningless because there are precisely ZERO differences. All cultures are equally celebrated... so long as we accept the Truth that other than differences in dress and meaningless holiday traditions and such all cultures are exactly identical with no identifiable (and not even accepting the theoretical possibility of someday identifying) advantages, disadvantages, etc.

Wouldn't Diversity truly be worthy of Celebrating if we accepted that we are all, both individually and when taken as recognizable groupings, cultures, etc. different? That we aren't all going to win a Nobel Prize in physics or play a starting position on an NBA team but that is OK because most of us good for something and a good number of us actually figure out what that is and get on with it, which makes us ALL better off. Race, sex, gender identity, culture, religion, who knows which makes the most difference, and who cares unless you are a scientist devoted to studying it. Lets just stop pretending none of that stuff can possibly matter because bad thinking tends to lead to more bad thinking.

Um, yea lots of idjits can be found thinking along the lines these sort of thoughts lead. But are the thoughts really stupid or is it just that we are so deep in doublethink only the few idjits are crazy enough to question such an iron fisted orthodoxy in public. After all, this particular taboo seems equally strong here as on dKos and most sane folk don't like being declared a pariah.

And lemme REALLY step in in while I'm already taking a chance. Go read that Rothbard quote in the box again. Talk about selective quoting, read it again with a more sceptical eye and see if you don't see him setting up a strawman to be demolished in the following text... which of course isn't there. Although 'his words are quoted in full.' Yea, look at that first sentence "There are two ways by which it might be crip­pled and defeated." Then the next one begins "First...." We never get "Second." There are a couple of pretty obvious 'tells' in there that a bigot probably wouldn't have written. "con­cede the broad merit of the Negro cause"? Call em "white hood­lums"?

Come on Ace, you are usually more eagle eyed than that, you should have caught that one wherever you got it from.

And yes it was perfectly rational to write of a crisis in the 1960s. From our vantage point we can debate the rightness or wrongness of the positions, but it was certainly rational to discuss then. Cities were going up in flames, there was a real threat of a national breakdown. And any fool could see the marxist/communist influences in the civil rights movement. Which doesn't make their stated goals wrong, just taints the work and made their actual goals suspect, as history has borne out, see affirmative action, quotas, etc. MLK was almost certainly a communist, doesn't make the "I Have A Dream" speech bad though. Hell, treating people on the basis of their character and ideas instead of their skin color is now a core conservative idea.

Posted by: John Morris at December 15, 2011 06:43 PM (sCRhB)

367 Refresh my memory - what blogger recently mentioned Lew Rockwell in adulatory tone?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Posted by: Chuckit at December 15, 2011 06:52 PM (C3iA0)

368 It actually is. As far as the 119 IQ... that was what my daughter
scored. Her school
counselors approached my wife and I with that information. They told us
that she most likely would have a difficult time in college. We conveyed
that
information to her and she kept her nose to the grindstone for four
plus years and graduated. She did not have an easy time at all, and she
kept her grades a mystery to us.

OMG, college wasn't easy for her! Sounds like her high school did exactly what you wanted in this case - discouraged the path that she ultimately chose with your support. Are you one of these people that whines about the government not doing enough to protect you from yourself?

She took more 'basket-weaving' courses
then I
wanted, but she graduated. Someday I'll eventually repay the debt we
incurred
on her behalf but until then I'm the proud parent of a... mother. Not
that there's anything wrong with that, but we could have spent a helluva
lot less money and achieved the same result.
So the government should have prevented you, an adult, from freely entering into a legal contract with a lender? I really don't get why you're whining about this. You could have said no. You could have asked to see her grades. She could have worked a few years and saved some tuition money. She could have joined the military. God forbid free people should be held responsible for their own decisions.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 06:53 PM (+lsX1)

369 Anyone that whines about something not helping society usually does so in the process of revealing himself as a statist leech.

No one but a statist leech would support the government underwriting loans to less-then-optimal students, taking money away from productive enterprises and in the process raising their cost of doing business and placing the country at a competitive disadvantage and encouraging the displacement of millions of workers, in the shallow hope that someday there might be some reward in billions of unpaid student loans.

Stuff that statist shit up your ass.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 06:56 PM (phlKA)

370 God forbid free people should be held responsible for their own decisions.

I don't have an issue with free people like my wife and myself underwriting someone with questionable abilities. It's our money to spend as we wish. It's still America, despite people like you who think our tax dollars aren't our money but the governments.

I have an issue with someone who wants to toss the 'statist' flag around who thinks there's nothing wrong with taking hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and flushing them down the crapper.

psst: Check the mirror, dude. I think there's a statist hiding there.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 07:05 PM (phlKA)

371 No one but a statist leech would support the government underwriting
loans to less-then-optimal students, taking money away from productive
enterprises and in the process raising their cost of doing business and
placing the country at a competitive disadvantage and encouraging the
displacement of millions of workers, in the shallow hope that someday
there might be some reward in billions of unpaid student loans.
Again with the cost of capital. How do you explain the inconvenient fact that interest rates are lower now than at any time in Sallie Mae's history? Can you name a single productive enterprise that has had money taken away due to priority lending to sub-optimal college students? No matter who you try to pin it on, your borrowing mistake is solely your own.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 07:10 PM (+lsX1)

372 How do you explain the inconvenient fact that interest rates are lower now than at any time in Sallie Mae's history?

God you're the stupid. Business is still in survival mode. This non-recovery has lasted longer then any in decades. There's no appreciable growth in GDP -- not when measured by historical records. I'm sure that would make you, as the 'lemonade salesman of the year' want to take out a second mortgage and risk your home to finance some pie-in-the sky scheme. No? Really?

Demand for money causes increases in interest rates. There is little to no demand to borrow money that one has little chance of repaying. Yes, it's just that simple.

When we do have some sliver of hope, and business wants to borrow money to expand and hire more employees, I'm glad that you're on the side of the less-then-optimal student going to the front of the line in front of them and snatching 50 grand that will never be repaid so they can get that degree in liberal studies.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 07:22 PM (phlKA)

373 <i>"Can you name a single productive enterprise that has had money taken away due to priority lending to sub-optimal college students? "</i>
The nation's debt is at an all time high and you don't question the value of giving student loans to lousy students? Hmm

Posted by: PETE at December 15, 2011 07:35 PM (j/wD+)

374 Demand for money causes increases in interest rates. There is little to
no demand to borrow money that one has little chance of repaying. Yes,
it's just that simple.

Oh, I see. Thank you for the economics lesson. I guess I was confused because earlier you said:
taking money away from productive
enterprises and in the process raising their cost of doing business and
placing the country at a competitive disadvantage and encouraging the
displacement of millions of workers, in the shallow hope that someday
there might be some reward in billions of unpaid student loans.

So, on the one hand, the colossal demand for funds by marginally intelligent borrowers has caused a shortage of capital, leading to higher interest rates and massacred rd budgets. On the other hand, there is little to no demand for money, which has led to lower interest rates. Since the intricacies of money supply appears to be an area of particular expertise for you, perhaps you could square those things for me. Also, in the process, maybe you could explain why interest rates have been steadily declining for the last 30 years. You know, what with the dummies taking all the money for their college degrees.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 07:37 PM (+lsX1)

375 The nation's debt is at an all time high and you don't question the value of giving student loans to lousy students? Hmm

I think lousy students shouldn't borrow money to go to college. I think the government has no business guaranteeing student loans made by private lenders. What I question is the idea that the government should dictate who goes to college and who doesn't. If broke taxpayer (clearly not his fault!), wants to borrow money to send his daughter to school, I absolutely don't have a problem with that. I think it's a dumb decision, but it's none of my business. I don't think the taxpayer should be on the hook for the bill if he defaults, but now we're into a whole different topic.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 07:43 PM (+lsX1)

376 @399
I can agree with that position and I thought Broke Taxpayer was saying the same thing.

Posted by: PETE at December 15, 2011 07:52 PM (j/wD+)

377 @399
Read his post @394, sounds a lot like your @399
I'll be back after dinner

Posted by: PETE at December 15, 2011 07:58 PM (j/wD+)

378 He seems to think that because I oppose the government using some
arbitrary IQ number to dictate who goes to college, that I must support
the current student lending structure. We agree on that, so I'm not sure why he's arguing it other than the rest of his position is so moronic he may as well invent some pretend strawman argument. I won't be back after dinner.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 15, 2011 08:01 PM (+lsX1)

379 I don't know about you, but if the average student racks up around 50k (iirc) in student loans, then defaults, that's not a win for society.


Depends what he got for it, and how well they're able to pay it back. Anyone who goes to college without realizing they're basically buying a couple of cars worth of loans is basically stupid to begin with. If they go to a college that doesn't give them value for their money, well they're even stupider. That's not my problem or society's problem.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 15, 2011 08:04 PM (r4wIV)

380 Racialist <> Racist
There's no good to be had talking about either by Republicans.

AIDS was a mostly homosexually transmitted problem here in the US. Now they're dead and it's needles. Elsewhere it's hetero. W spent the money because it was the right thing to do and might have helped the ongoing disaster there.

And well-credentialed idiots have driven the whole project into the shitter.

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2011 08:11 PM (nPNjl)

381 Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2011 08:16 PM (7WJOC)

382 I was going to try to argue with you RP hating assholes but I'll skip it and just say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Posted by: Pounanny at December 15, 2011 08:35 PM (esesa)

383 Cool a race war
White People 72.4 % of the total U.S. population
Black People 13.6% of the total U.S. population
Hmmm, how about we play a basketball game for all the marbles instead???
I mean come on, some idiot somewhere simply cannot count! Who would go into a war with those odds unless it meant your survival. Frankly I think most of Ron Paul's support comes from druggies hoping he will legalize pot and other drugs. There is no other reason for the batshit crazy devotion these people display. They go into any and every post bashing and insulting everyone and everything, then say VOTE RON PAUL! Uh no!

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Posted by: Taxpayer at December 15, 2011 10:31 PM (NpmCe)

389 He seems to think that because I oppose the government using some
arbitrary IQ number to dictate who goes to college, that I must support
the current student lending structure.

FWIW, the "current lending structure" as you call it, puts the US govt in 100% total control over student loans.

You can thank Obamacare for that govt takeover of the student loan industry.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2011 10:34 PM (1rv3b)

390 Now they're dead and it's needles.


According to the CDC... its still homosexual activity, primarily. Hint: needle-using drug addicts (especially the 'share the needle type') have a much shorter life expectancy than homosexuals.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 15, 2011 10:41 PM (r4wIV)

391 @Grey Fox, comment 37 -

The causes and methods of transmission for HIV were well established before the early 90s. I did volunteer work as an HIV counselor in the early 90s, we were already chanting the "blood, semen, vaginal secretions" mantra then. And even before that, in the late 80s, we knew that HIV wasn't transmitted through casual contact. That was being covered in my high school health classes, I graduated in 1990.

Posted by: Alice Aitch at December 15, 2011 10:42 PM (qJHYy)

392 And well-credentialed idiots have driven the whole project into the shitter.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2011 08:11 PM (nPNjl)
If you have a link about this I would be interesed to read it.

Posted by: Randy M at December 15, 2011 11:04 PM (yUbrx)

393 Why are we even wasting time talking about this crank? He doesn't stand a chance.

Posted by: packsoldier at December 15, 2011 11:10 PM (y4kqS)

394 The only thing you need to remember is (now say this with me)

"Ron Paul Ron Paul Money Bomb Straw Poll Ron Paul
Freedom Liberty Ron Paul Founding Fathers Ron Paul
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and repeat that at least 10x in a row....

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Posted by: hsqeq63 at December 16, 2011 12:15 AM (kbQMH)

396 what is with this blog trying to discredit Paul from the left? all the positions you cite are pretty much mainstream conservative positions from their time periods. some may've been wrong or overstated but unless you want to validate the "Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley were against the Civil Rights Act and this discredits the entire modern conservative movement" tactics on the Left i don't see why we can't look at these in context.

i dislike Paul because all his personal views come second to this fanatical devotion to federalism, which i view as "conservative" only in a worthless, non-ideological sense (AKA why "conservatives" like Sullivan like it) when the important institutions in this country are trending left. i don't personally care much that his newsletter said some mean things about homosexuals coming off a decade where the AIDS epidemic was at its height, or mean things about black people before crime rates in this country were brought under control.

Posted by: OLP at December 16, 2011 12:52 AM (8HhF2)

397 Paul won't protect U.S. shipping from pirates. Ask him. Fail. He still hates Jefferson for the action on Tripoli.

Posted by: theCork at December 16, 2011 01:43 AM (IsLZ7)

398 417 Why are we even wasting time talking about this crank? He doesn't stand a chance.
Posted by: packsoldier at December 15, 2011 11:10 PM (y4kqS)
Because every conservativehas a relative who peddles the guy. Ron Paul makes me hate the holidays.

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Posted by: pipe fittings at December 16, 2011 06:56 AM (qAw2g)

400 You can thank Obamacare for that govt takeover of the student loan industry.

Different program, post ObamaCare. From the WSJ:

The Obama plan calls for the U.S. Department of Education to move from
its current 20% share of the student-loan origination market to 80% on
July 1, 2010, when private lenders will be barred from making
government-guaranteed loans. The remaining 20% of the market that is now
completely private will likely shrink further as lenders try to comply
with regulations Congress created last year. Starting next summer,
taxpayers will have to put up roughly $100 billion per year to lend to
students.

For the record, here's a chart to show the distribution of IQ scores. Over 84% of the population would score 115 or less. Off the top of my head, something like 4,000,000 high school students graduate every year. If 50% of them go off to college (instead of the 16% who show the intellectual capability to handle it) then $100,000,000,000 divided by 2,000,000 equals $50,000 per student that the taxpayers are on the hook for.

Anyone who doesn't see the parallel between this and making government guaranteed sub-prime loans to unqualified borrowers (and the resultant financial disaster from which we have yet to recover) isn't paying attention.

Posted by: Broke Taxpayer at December 16, 2011 07:03 AM (phlKA)

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402 Yeah, Ron Paul sucks!
Who would ever suggest that the civil rights movement went to far in increasing the scope of federal government and inposing affirmative action. That's crazy talk!
Who would ever suggest that women voters disproportionately favour left wing parties that have undermined the American constitution. That's crazy talk!
Who would ever suggest that the Gay Rights movement is heavily populated by hysterics who want to use government to stamp out anything they deem intolerant in the name of liberty. That's crazy talk!
Who would ever suggest that the AIDS epidemic closely followed the spread of promiscous mores that were particularly prevalent in San Francisco. That's crazy talk!
Look, whoever wrote those newsletters obviously was a very bitter man who had a talent for taking legitimate points and weaving them into a web of sour bigotry. That Ron Paul allowed that to happen under his name when he was semi retired from politics must count as a black mark. But not as big as supporting TARP.
I'd be interested to see the Rothbard quote in context, especially what his 2nd option was (presumably a libertarian movement). He was an interesting and eclectic thinker who, frankly, often talked a lot of rubbish, but his works on central banking really *are* must reads. We know, anyway, thatRon Paul disagrees with Rothbard on many issues, c.f. abortion.

Posted by: Gabriel M at December 16, 2011 08:44 AM (kQuHP)

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Posted by: troyriser at December 16, 2011 11:41 AM (vtiE6)

404 what is wrong with what ron paul (allegedly) wrote?

i mean, for fucks sake...sounds like he hit the nail on the head to me.

Posted by: ronpower at December 16, 2011 06:54 PM (TGfjy)

405 #36

Is there actual evidence for this? I ain't buyin' it.
Here ya go:
A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black, 45.8% were White, and 2% were Other Races. Of the victims in those same crimes, 50.9% were White, 46.9% were Black, and 2.1% were Other Races

Source?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Murder

The FBI thru Wikipedia.

Oh poor old raciss Ron Paul can't even tell a little bit of old racist truth. lol Ace is amazing.

Posted by: Contemplationist at December 16, 2011 07:26 PM (k4Hl4)

406 So we have to bury this stuff. Less because of political correctness -- political correctness I can fight and thwart -- but to avoid the political doom of having Special People start saying Special Things.

Ah, yes of course. Commisar Ace holding the fort to save us from the brownshirt deluge. How dare you mention incontrovertible facts with a rude tone! hushhh little puppies! The media is watching! What will they say about us!?>!?!? We can't really say that most murders are committed by blacks! We are TERRIFIED by the media.

Oh no, nothing PC about it at all. Just beat up on old Ron Paul.

Posted by: Contemplationist at December 16, 2011 07:40 PM (k4Hl4)

407 For those poor cringing PC 'conservatives' here's a mainstream, NY times reviewed book on evolutionary population genetics :
http://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465002218

which discusses why different 'population groups' (which is a euphemism for race so that PC whackos dont heckle them) differ in IQ and how it might've come about.

Here's an interview with one of the authors - Gregory Cochran who is a brilliant and respected physicist and anthropologist:
http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2009/01/a_week_with_gre_2.html

Say, ace, you want to continue the leftist denunciation and speech policing? Are you not ashamed of yourself yet? Ah, no cos you want to remain "respectable."
Anyone who questions mainstream equalist dogma is now to be hounded out of polite society EVEN BY so-called "conservatives". Got it.

Posted by: Contemplationist at December 16, 2011 07:52 PM (k4Hl4)

408 Wow, this site is as crazy as LGF and about as conservative.

Ace, I've seen pictures of you IRL and you're a doughy failure.

Posted by: PRCalDude at December 18, 2011 12:49 AM (kCMHF)

409 The truth about Ron Paul is that he is an oldschool segregationist. I am from his district and I know his heart. He is a libertarian because he knows that if he abolishes section 8 housing, affirmative action, welfare, etc. then white people will be able to escape the Black menace once and for all and reestablish defacto segregation. This is what his rich, white, Southern constituents want as well. We can't allow these Jim Crow vintage dinosaurs to get their way. If they do, Blacks will no longer be able to live next to whites and reap the rewards of a civilization that they themselves lack the ability to create or sustain

Posted by: BnG at December 18, 2011 01:01 AM (bEwtz)

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Posted by: Phalluster at December 18, 2011 02:09 PM (oPigj)

411 Ron Paul saved a puppy from eating too much chocolate.

Posted by: The Terminally Boned at December 18, 2011 06:30 PM (+6ZZN)

412 Racist Skinheads back in the last 80's early 90's used to use Paul's propaganda newsletter as recruiting tools.

Posted by: dsjkdjks at December 19, 2011 03:13 AM (sYrJ8)

413
Ron Paul is the only candidate who addresses the racial injustice of the Judicial system towards minorities and the insane numbers of Americans imprisoned within what amounts to the largest Gulag in the world.

Even if these destestible lies being told about Ron Paul were true the fact that Ron Paul would pardon millions of Americans currently imprisoned; many of whom are Black and Hispanic negates the relevence of these propaganda pieces and what they are intended to portray him as.

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