Jen Rubin Is So Predictable

Drew wondered why Jen Rubin wasn't gleeping over the Trump debate.

He reasoned she was taking a pass on the subject because Mitt Romney had not yet declined, and that the moment he did, she would then start talkiing about how awful it was, and how everyone involved was a clown.

See, she wanted to say that. But as she's Romney Super Fan #1, she couldn't say that. Not until Mitt actually opted out of the debate.

At any rate, Drew predicted that perfectly, as well as her eventual use of the word "clown" to disparage the event.

mittsturn11.jpg

That's Slublog's excellent photoshop.

Odd Divergence In Blogger and Blog-Reader Preference: If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).

I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.

Posted by: Ace at 12:29 PM



Comments

1 Foist!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:31 PM (f9c2L)

2 Ah, Slublog. Jen-Jen look almost looks human with that caricature.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:31 PM (AZGON)

3 Is that a caricature or an actual depiction of Jen Rubin? After the last thread, I don't want to just assume.

Posted by: huerfano at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (7wEgI)

4 Wait....Drew has a blog?!

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (X6akg)

5 Ya know.. I'm getting pretty damned depressed over how this election is shaping up.. Newt?? Freakin' Newt Gingrich?? W. T. F. ?????

At this point I am hoping Perry shows up packin' heat and just blows the rest of em away. Couldn't get any weirder than it already has..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (f9c2L)

6 Trump is going to hammer the guys who blew him off.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (WkuV6)

7 SCOAMF!

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (qjUnn)

8 Jen Rubin is the same sort of conservative as say, David Frum, which is to say not a conservative and should not be listened or taken seriously!

Posted by: McLovin at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (j0IcY)

9 To hell with opting out of the debate. Can we get Mitt to opt out of the race?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 07, 2011 12:33 PM (OWjjx)

10 Mitt's turn, but which way?

Posted by: dblwmy at December 07, 2011 12:34 PM (BvTwT)

11
ah, the ol' wait-and-see trick

Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 12:34 PM (sqkOB)

12 You know who this helps? Mitt F'n Romney

Posted by: Jennifer Hugh Rubin-Hewitt at December 07, 2011 12:34 PM (6JXYv)

13 This is where Mitt gets his cake and gets to eat it-

Bachmann is there for him -man!

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (r2PLg)

14 I like him more. Invite me to the WH when elected Mittens. I'm hotter.

Posted by: Kathleen Parker at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (ELznH)

15 Rubin has gone from someone I read just to know a different POV to someone I know is lying and scheming and knowingly churning out propaganda.

The solace I take is that Romney's campaign is a failure despite having far more money and establishment endorsements. All these journalists struggling to help Romney won't save him.

Everyone has had a chance to consider Romney by now. Those who reject him are very, very unlikely to ever vote for him.

Shame Perry's campaign is losing badly too. I'll still vote Perry, but I think the nation is not ready to elect an actual conservative. They need someone who will use government the best to take care of problems. They don't even recognize the superiority of someone who doesn't need to do that.

Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (rQ/Ue)

16 OT: Harry Morgan died...he was 96.

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (X6akg)

17 At this point I am hoping Perry shows up packin' heat and just blows the rest of em away. Couldn't get any weirder than it already has..

Iowa. He wins Iowa - and he's got a real shot - it's a new ballgame.

What's depressing is that this screwed up, overrated caucus may be our only hope. Now that's depressing.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (IGkEP)

18 thank goodness a new thread!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 12:37 PM (s+J9D)

19 Jennifer Rubin, former labor lawyer and Berkeley graduate who only left the Democrat party when their foreign policy finally scared her. Rubin on the Best Deal We Could Get and How Great It Will Be:

The president gets a deal through 2012; the House gets its cuts; and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) gets his commission. And the GOP extremists don’t get their balanced budget amendment passed and sent to the states or the satisfaction of blowing up the deal. As for the country, if it passes, the agreement will take us from the days of automatic debt-ceiling raises to the first, tentative steps toward fiscal sanity.

WaPo, July 30, 2011

My, that deal has worked out so very well, Jenny. You must be proud.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:37 PM (AZGON)

20
I think:

1. It is a mistake for Romney not to go.

2. It's a shame that the entire field of candidates can't make a unaminous decision -- either they all go or none of them go. Instead this debate has caused what we least need -- further division in the party.

3. I have no problem with Trump's debate.

Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 12:37 PM (sqkOB)

21 OMG - I just googled Jennifer Rubin.. Accck! The caricature is 100 times better looking than her in real life!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:38 PM (f9c2L)

22 Speaking of Iowa...
Ron Paul!

Patterico blog has something about-

David Weigel is pondering voting again for Ron Paul in 2012.

Ya...

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:38 PM (r2PLg)

23 Ace, did RWN ask you to participate in this poll?

Posted by: Have Blue at December 07, 2011 12:39 PM (IKTC8)

24 You can fix that debate in one move-

get rid of Trump.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:39 PM (r2PLg)

25
Romney's decision says either he's scared that the debate will do more harm than good to his candidacy or it tells us he's so confident in getting the nomination he doesn't need it.

My instinct tells me it's the latter.

Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 12:39 PM (sqkOB)

26 And the GOP extremists don’t get their balanced budget amendment

Damn extremists with all their talk about balancing the budget!

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)

27 Gee, Ace, because Trump isn't a clown?

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 07, 2011 12:40 PM (bN5ZU)

28 Can I pay $100 to bitch slap Weigel?

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:40 PM (r2PLg)

29 You can fix that debate in one move- get rid of Trump.
One more time....with feeling.
On the night of the Trump debate we also host the First (Oh, Sorry, strike that)
The ELEVENTY!!11!! AOSHQ GOP PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY DEBATE
Really, can we be more toxic than Trump?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (OWjjx)

30 is it me or does the cartoon pic of jen look like barack with a hillary wig on?

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (s+J9D)

31 Jen-Jen's column is called "Right Turn." Perhaps she is in fact like a one-half spin particle. You have to turn it 720 degrees to get back to where you were originally. If that sounds confusing, it is less so than Jen-Jen's spinning on behalf of Willard.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (AZGON)

32 You know Weigel looks like a love child of Gingrich...

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (r2PLg)

33 I usually respond, Have Blue. I overlooked it this time.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (XBUdh)

34 Gee, Ace, because Trump isn't a clown?


Posted by: ParisParamus
...........
I was kinda thinking about that.. Just because Rubin is a scrunt who's in the bag for Romney doesn't make her wrong about the Trump clownfest.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (f9c2L)

35 Harry Morgan died...he was 96.
Horse Puckey

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (G+Ksr)

36 I've got mixed feelings on the Trump thing. Yeah, it's a bit of a circus sideshow, but is it really any worse than having the circus clowns at MSNBC hosting a debate? He'll probably ask more legitimate questions than those idiots.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:42 PM (IGkEP)

37 OMG - I just googled Jennifer Rubin.. Accck! The caricature is 100 times better looking than her in real life!


Melony and Rubin would make a lovely gay male couple.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:42 PM (AZGON)

38 Really, can we be more toxic than Trump?

ummm....that's a tossup-that probably involves midgets and ewoks...

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:43 PM (r2PLg)

39 Romney's decision says either he's scared that the debate will do more harm than good to his candidacy or it tells us he's so confident in getting the nomination he doesn't need it.

His hair is intimidated.

Posted by: Donal Trump's Forehead Merkin at December 07, 2011 12:43 PM (G+Ksr)

40 Damn extremists with all their talk about balancing the budget!
Yea, cause according to a fair number of sources, we as a country are only paying 250 billion dollars a year to service our existing federal debt. 250 billion dollars. Going to China, Saudi Arabia, etc.
She is right, who needs a balanced budget.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 07, 2011 12:43 PM (OWjjx)

41 Lest anyone forget, Trump is a guy who lost money running a casino.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)

42 Some say we should all get behind Mitt Romney because he is the only electable candidate and everyone else is too far right for the general election. I reject that notion, I say we vote for the candidate that is so far right he proposes tax cuts for the .01 percent on the backs of the poor children, and abolishing the right of women to vote or have abortions.

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (Qmfjq)

43 I dont mind if pundits argue for Romney, but Rubin completely lost me when she argued that Newt was more likely than Willard to kiss up to liberals. Newt may have a lot of problems, but being too nice, especially to liberals, isnt one of them. Willard-Reagan-was-so-terrible-he-drove-me-out-of-the-party-Romney on the other hand...

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 12:45 PM (97AKa)

44 Speech highlights:
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Posted by: Jimmah at December 07, 2011 12:45 PM (TMeYE)

45
The hand-wringing over this debate should be a major concern for us.

This is not a major decision, nor is it some potential disaster that will offend the People's sensibilities.

We have lost perspective and we need to get it back, stat.

Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 12:45 PM (sqkOB)

46 Jen Rubin, huh. I think I'll send her some pics of my junk!

Posted by: brett favre at December 07, 2011 12:45 PM (+56Bh)

47 Drew is secretly Jen Rubin.

Posted by: Rocks at December 07, 2011 12:45 PM (Q1lie)

48 Harry Morgan died...he was 96.

Horse Puckey
I remember him as Bill Gannon, Sgt. Joe Friday's partner on Dragnet.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 12:46 PM (Hx5uv)

49 Surely this is not an original thought, but the scheming in Jen-Jen's musty noggin must be "Mitt will give me a powerful slot in his administration if I keep sucking his royal American. Maybe press secretary."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:46 PM (AZGON)

50 Jen Rubin? Never heard of her!

Posted by: charlie gibson at December 07, 2011 12:46 PM (+56Bh)

51 This Rubin person is horning in on my turf! but she's a piker.
Mitt's decision was simply magnificent, and anyone who denies it is not to be trusted as an analyst. Top that.

Posted by: Huge Hewitt at December 07, 2011 12:46 PM (K/USr)

52 There may be but one indisputable truth in the entire Universe. If that be the case, that singular truth is.....Mitt sux.

Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2011 12:46 PM (OlN4e)

53 Trump is a guy who lost money running a casino.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)
But that was due to over-regulation!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2011 12:47 PM (i3+c5)

54
the show stopped being a comedy when Maclean Stevenson left

it turned into a dramedy

it got worse when Trapper left, and then even worse with the arrival of Charles Emerson Winchester III.

Posted by: a personal appeal from soothsayer at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (sqkOB)

55 Iowa. He wins Iowa - and he's got a real shot - it's a new ballgame.



What's depressing is that this screwed up, overrated caucus may be our only hope. Now that's depressing.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (IGkEP)
I think Perry can stay in if he just finishes in the top 3 (or even top 4 if those 4 are all closely bunched) considering where he will have come from in the polls to get to that point.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (rLhp2)

56 Trump is a guy who lost money running a casino.
---------
But that was due to over-regulation!

There is no bigger failure in high finance and big business than a mook who doesn't know which lawmakers to buy off.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (AZGON)

57 Geez talk about the slobbering press.

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 07, 2011 12:49 PM (xqpQL)

58 I remember Harry Morgan from the Blake Edwards film "What Did You Do In The War, Daddy?"

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:49 PM (AZGON)

59 Mittbots will be crying soon.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 07, 2011 12:49 PM (EtxSR)

60 Trump is staying in the spotlight for ratings and publicity. Candidates should go to the debate because Trump will get his ratings and publicity.

Posted by: devilish at December 07, 2011 12:49 PM (3eTJD)

61 21OMG - I just googled Jennifer Rubin.. Accck!
ay caramba! do not try this at home

Posted by: glowing blue meat at December 07, 2011 12:50 PM (K/USr)

62 Romney is easily intimidated. I can only imagine the disaster of a Romney commanding an army.

You know where Romney went when he was of draft age during Vietnam? France.

That's right, where John Kerry went too. Only Kerry at least spent six hours in combat first. Even John Kerry is more manly than Romney, who starts crying for Andreson Cooper to save him from the debating genius of Rick Freaking Perry (sorry, I like Rick, but come on).

Romney couldn't even handle a fairly mild follow up on Fox News. The most predictable crap in the world.

Romney is afraid of Donald Trump speaking plainly on Romney's horrible record. Romney has appreciated MSNBC and CBS not having anything critical to say of it.

There is a reason the establishment pushed up early state elections. There is a reason the GOP establishment happily arranges all these debates with liberal news networks: they like big government. They want Romney to succeed because they need that big government to line their pockets with the money they steal from your kids and your grandkids.

I don't like Trump, but Romney's reason for avoiding him are entirely self preservation. I can only imagine this sissy dealing with Russia or Iran.

Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 12:51 PM (rQ/Ue)

63
I dont mind if pundits argue for Romney, but Rubin completely lost me
when she argued that Newt was more likely than Willard to kiss up to
liberals. Newt may have a lot of problems, but being too nice,
especially to liberals, isnt one of them.
Willard-Reagan-was-so-terrible-he-drove-me-out-of-the-party-Romney on
the other hand...

Uhhhh . . . .

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 12:51 PM (Hx5uv)

64 ¿Quién es más macho? ¿Helen Thomas o Jennifer Rubin?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (AZGON)

65 17
At this point I am hoping Perry shows up packin' heat and just blows
the rest of em away. Couldn't get any weirder than it already has..





Iowa. He wins Iowa - and he's got a real shot - it's a new ballgame.





What's depressing is that this screwed up, overrated caucus may be our only hope. Now that's depressing.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 12:36 PM (IGkEP)
Perry's going to do a bus tour through Iowa, pretty much non-stop through the end of the month. Anita is scheduled to campaign for him as well. Ron Paul is doing a lot of town halls, Santorum has one on the 9th; Newt doesn't have a stop scheduled until the 14th; Romney is only scheduled to be in Iowa for the debate on the 10th along with the rest of them.
60% of caucus voters say they can be persuaded to support another candidate. More than half say they want to eliminate HUD and the EPA. A flat-tax, reducing business regulations and taxes are also other big concerns.There is some hope in all that for Perry, but he is going to have to have one hell of a ground game there. Hard to find any news about local political leaders and what they are doing.

Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (/JzSK)

66 Of course most women opining in text are not as hot as Megyn Kelly.

I don't hold that against Rubin, though I really am annoyed with her other ugliness: her need to spew propaganda endlessly.

Of course women who depict themselves with exaggerated caricatures are doing that for a reason.

Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (rQ/Ue)

67 If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).
I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.
Because you want me. You know you want me, bad boy.

Posted by: That Chicken at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (6T8Ay)

68 53
Trump is a guy who lost money running a casino.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)
But that was due to over-regulation!


Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2011 12:47 PM (i3+c5)
the right people made money. the right people...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (136wp)

69 61
21OMG - I just googled Jennifer Rubin.. Accck!
ay caramba! do not try this at home


She wouldn't be half bad in waitress outfit.

Posted by: Mike James at December 07, 2011 12:52 PM (E5gnO)

70
drew, what is the "odd" divergence in blogger and blog-reader support for the GOP candidates? It appears from your link that the two are about the same. At least if you look at the results of your polls on this site, they are similar. The bloggers support Newt, Perry, and Romney in that order. HQ supports Perry first and the blog reader polls here still have Newt barely in front of Perry, even with the top down attempt to turn their support.
Thus it seems that internet wide blog readership is likely in line with the bloggers when it comes to support of the GOP candidates.

Posted by: Doug at December 07, 2011 12:53 PM (gUGI6)

71 I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.

It might be just that. You're reading. People don't read (I mean normal people).

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 07, 2011 12:53 PM (SB0V2)

72 Question for RWN: How the fuck did Ann Althouse ever get to right of center? Thats bullshit. That ditzy fool is an Obama supporter. Dumbasses.

Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2011 12:53 PM (OlN4e)

73 Gabe, if you hadrespondedto the RWN poll would you have done so with your views or asked Ace for his?
Not trying to be confrontational or trollish here. I actually saw the poll at Althouse and followed her link to see who had responded and was surprised to not see the AoS's listed.
I know (and expect it to be so) that the co-bloggers won't all have the same views, but would sort of expect that the blog would "speak" with Aces views when it speaks publicly.

Posted by: Have Blue at December 07, 2011 12:54 PM (IKTC8)

74 She wouldn't be half bad in waitress outfit.

Perhaps if the skirt covered her head and the blouse covered her crotch.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:54 PM (AZGON)

75 There is no bigger failure in high finance and big business than a mook who doesn't know which lawmakers to buy off.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (AZGON)
Wait, did I miss something?

Posted by: Johnny Corzine at December 07, 2011 12:54 PM (i3+c5)

76 Who is Jen Rubin?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 07, 2011 12:54 PM (+inic)

77 "Just because Rubin is a scrunt who's in the bag for Romney doesn't make her wrong about the Trump clownfest.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 12:41 PM (f9c2L)"But much like her boss, Rubin didn't say it was a clownfest when everyone else did. She said it last, after it was safe to do so. Reminds me of Romney's endorsement of Rubio, six months after everyone else had done it.Yes, he was right, but he did it wrong.

Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 12:55 PM (rQ/Ue)

78 I can only imagine this sissy dealing with Russia or Iran.

Yeah, he'd be worse than me!
...wait, what?

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 07, 2011 12:55 PM (G+Ksr)

79 72
Question for RWN: How the fuck did Ann Althouse ever get to right of
center? Thats bullshit. That ditzy fool is an Obama supporter.
Dumbasses.

The window movers...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 12:55 PM (136wp)

80 why do we care what she says anyway? never heard of her

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at December 07, 2011 12:56 PM (s+J9D)

81 76
Who is Jen Rubin?

Here you are

Posted by: Mike James at December 07, 2011 12:56 PM (E5gnO)

82 Let's put it this way. If Rubin were to be an unpaid intern in even a Clinton White House, the likelihood of embarrassing dalliances would converge to zero.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:56 PM (AZGON)

83 s that a caricature or an actual depiction of Jen Rubin?

The caricature doesn't do her justice. Jennifer Rubin radiates just as much sexiness as NPR's Terry Gross.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (XE2Oo)

84 I think Perry can stay in if he
just finishes in the top 3 (or even top 4 if those 4 are all closely
bunched) considering where he will have come from in the polls to get to
that point.


Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 12:48 PM (rLhp2)

Oh, Perry's in for the long haul. I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..

Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (Mxxjl)

85 Reminds me of Romney's endorsement of Rubio, six months after everyone else had done it.

This is what alarms many about Willard. He's always fighting he last war, leading from behind...

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (AZGON)

86 81
76
Who is Jen Rubin?

Here you are


Posted by: Mike James at December 07, 2011 12:56 PM (E5gnO)
Ummm, I'm raping her with my mind, right now...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (136wp)

87
A twitter-view* I follow has a couple of hard-core semi-official looking mitt backers. To them, anything involving Mitt is either wonderful or ignored. THEY aren't as one sided as Rubin!

*https://twitter.com/#!/ParisParamus/blogsavants

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (7hwUm)

88 O/T, but Rush is seriously en fuego today. He is nailing our Marxist-in-Chief to the wall on his Kansas speech yesterday. I knew he was tee'd off at the close of yesterday's show, but he saved his skewering for today. Very good stuff.

Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (ycuSb)

89 LOL

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (+inic)

90 Uhhhh . . . .
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 12:51 PM (Hx5uv)
Quotes:
Keeping things simple and vague has worked so far
In some ways, it's reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's 1976 promise
Sorry, but where I come frombeing compared toJimmy Carter aint no compliment.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (97AKa)

91 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?

Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (CuPwN)

92 Althouse is all about the judicial appointments-I suspect.

She said that she voted for Obama because mcCain wasn't Conservative enough.

As *if* McCain was a big spender -or a liberal when it came to judicial appointments....

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (r2PLg)

93 Jennifer Rubin radiates just as much sexiness as NPR's Terry Gross.

I don't get your point.

Posted by: Sandra Bernhard at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (AZGON)

94 I have nothing against Trump per se, although his positions are whacky. This is not one of his better ideas however. A potential candidate is going to question the others? Circus.

Posted by: Ken Royall at December 07, 2011 12:59 PM (9zzk+)

95 There is some hope in all that for Perry, but he is going to have to have one hell of a ground game there.

My understanding is that, despite all the setbacks, he still has a decent groundgame there. If he can pull off a win here, and this caucus system is setup to give him a shot, then all of a sudden there is a major shift in the narrative. I get the sense that people are still willing to give Perry a shot, but that they're reluctant to hop back aboard because of the perception that he's toast. A win in Iowa completely changes that, and I think there would be a big re-shuffling of the leaderboard.

I'm not suggesting he will win Iowa, but if he does it will do more for him than arguably anyone else.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 01:00 PM (IGkEP)

96 It's always the right time to ridicule Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 01:00 PM (Hx5uv)

97 @ 91 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?
It's part of a long-term project for increasing property values across the blogosphere.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 07, 2011 01:00 PM (+inic)

98
She wouldn't be half bad in waitress outfit.


Posted by: Mike James
.........
Are you looking at the Jennifer Rubin the actress pics?

Try Jennifer Rubin - Journalist.. then get back to me..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 01:00 PM (f9c2L)

99 RIP Harry Morgan.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (jucos)

100 Oh, Perry's in for the long haul.
I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the
biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..


Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (Mxxjl)
From your keyboard to the election gods' ears...

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (rLhp2)

101 DUDE.

WTF, Rick Perry, is this?

http://tinyurl.com/7wqx4cv

The derisive line about gays serving openly in the military and the tone he said it in was bad enough; but the intentional palms down, disapproving body language, followed by palms up, approving "open" body language when talking about children openly celebrate Christmas was uncalled for.

I obviously support the latter, but the former I found disgusting. F U, Rick Perry.


Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (YiE0S)

102 So Mitt's a Mormon, and you guys have heard of a rubin sandwich...

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (DrC22)

103 91
Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run
"I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger
out there who supports Mitt?




Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (CuPwN)
Because he sucks and blows. Any other questions?

Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 01:03 PM (/JzSK)

104 A win in Iowa completely changes that, and I think there would be a big re-shuffling of the leaderboard. I don't think he even has to win Iowa. If he can finish 2nd or even a very close 3rd and then finish no lower than 3rd in NH he'll probably pick up some momentum.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 07, 2011 01:03 PM (JxMoP)

105 Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation's Armed Forces at home.
During a joint session of the Senate and House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday, the Maine Republican referenced a letter from the Defense Department depicting the Fort Hood shootings as workplace violence. She criticized the Obama administration for failing to identify the threat as radical Islam.

Well your late to the party, but what the hell, have a seat and drink up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2011 01:03 PM (i6RpT)

106 100
Oh, Perry's in for the long haul.
I'm guessing at least #2 in Iowa in a shocker and a long slog up the
biased push polls and despite the establishment asshats in the GOP..


Posted by: observer at December 07, 2011 12:57 PM (Mxxjl)
From your keyboard to the election gods' ears...


Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 01:02 PM (rLhp2)
I'm expecting mucho virgin sacrifices meat-sack!

Posted by: Cthulu at December 07, 2011 01:03 PM (136wp)

107 To be precise, open body language about children didn't bother me, but the intentional contrast with his disapproving body language and tone about gays serving openly did.

Disgraceful.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:04 PM (YiE0S)

108 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?
In Ace's defense, hehates everyone.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 07, 2011 01:04 PM (JxMoP)

109 Rubin sandwich? It'll never happen.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at December 07, 2011 01:05 PM (BbX1b)

110 Why is there no post on this?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2011 01:05 PM (G+Ksr)

111 Random

Well he does set it up as a contrast-

"When gays can serve openly in the military-but children cannot openly celebrate Christmas"...

Body language...that's a stretch.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:06 PM (r2PLg)

112 I know some are for gays in the military but you rarely hit on the best positive argument for that here-it's weird.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:07 PM (r2PLg)

113 but the intentional contrast with his disapproving body language and tone about gays serving openly did.
Was a crotch grab included? I got your days serving openly, ritch 'ere.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 01:07 PM (GTbGH)

114 Sorry, but where I come frombeing compared toJimmy Carter aint no compliment.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (97AKa)
One point for Cousin Jimmuh. He was a disaster of a president (and a sucky governor of Georgia before that too, btw), but I never thought he actually hated the country that elected him president for all the other stupid stuff he did and believed. I sincerely believe that the current Bastard-in-Chief does indeed hate this country. And that's as close to saying something nice about Carter as I'll ever get.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 01:08 PM (rLhp2)

115 or gays

either or

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 01:08 PM (GTbGH)

116 @ 91 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt? Because she is doing it at the WaPo, if the WaPo was going to honestly give some space to the Right it can't be pulling for Mittens

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:08 PM (WkuV6)

117 Hugh Hewitt has been having Rubin on a lot lately, and yet Hugh claims he's not endorsing anyone
Hugh's been very fair to the not-Romneys but he's slowly turning back into the Romney hack we all know and love, heh

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:08 PM (yAor6)

118 Random,

Reading your post, I rolled my eyes and pantomimed jacking off. What does that tell you?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (l9zgN)

119 An Islamic cleric residing in Europe said that women should not be close to bananas or cucumbers, in order to avoid any “sexual thoughts.”
--
He said that these fruits and vegetables “resemble the male penis” and hence could arouse women or “make them think of sex.”

Jennifer Rubin becomes lubricious gazing at split peas and cored apples.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (AZGON)

120 110
Why is there no post on this?

Posted by: garrett
Don't distract me, I'm totally telepathy-bonking the hell out of this fat chick in a veil.

Posted by: That banana at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (BbX1b)

121 "Body language...that's a stretch."

No damn way, that was sure as hell planned. It's a 31-second commercial, for cripe sakes.

But either way, he clearly expressed his disapproval at one and approval of the other. If that's how he feels about Americans who are gay and especially those who serve in the military who are gay ... and he thinks explicit contrasts between that and his love of children is an acceptable tactic ... then I hope he continues to get crushed, embarrassingly, because he's become an embarrassment.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (YiE0S)

122
Why is there no post on this?

In this day of psychokinetic sex assault, it's best we take no chances.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 07, 2011 01:10 PM (Hx5uv)

123 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?
Posted by: embittered redleg at December 07, 2011 12:58 PM (CuPwN)
it's okay for Rubin to be a hack, but her hackery is embarassing. it's no secret this blog is a pro-Perry blog, but we've had stories on perry's missteps and we don't have threads that pratically yell 'perry, please let me sleep with you!"

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:10 PM (yAor6)

124 "Reading your post, I rolled my eyes and pantomimed jacking off. What does that tell you?"

That you have a thing for me?

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:10 PM (YiE0S)

125 "Reading your post, I rolled my eyes and pantomimed jacking off. What does that tell you?"

You have eaten too many cucumbers.

Posted by: Iranian Mullah at December 07, 2011 01:11 PM (G+Ksr)

126 The derisive line about gays serving openly in the
military and the tone he said it in was bad enough; but the intentional
palms down, disapproving body language, followed by palms up, approving
"open" body language when talking about children openly celebrate
Christmas was uncalled for.

I obviously support the latter, but the former I found disgusting. F U, Rick Perry.




Posted by: Random
..
It's called "expression", dildo.. palms down=disapproving.. which is exactly what his words are saying.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 07, 2011 01:11 PM (f9c2L)

127 Rubin sandwich, who's gonna be the sour Kraut?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2011 01:11 PM (tf9Ne)

128 In'shallah, walking down the produce aisle is like visiting the vibrator section of The Pleasure Chest!

Get me a goat before I swoon.

Posted by: an unnamed sheikh at December 07, 2011 01:11 PM (AZGON)

129 C'mon Rick, it's do or die time, baby!

Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 01:12 PM (q177U)

130 Let the commercial speak for itself. I don't see how it helps him more than hurts him. See HA comments for the "fail" reaction to this effort.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:12 PM (YiE0S)

131 Yeah, Random: You're reaching way out there to be offended. It's more of a "if we're going to have one without criticism, we should be allowed to have the other without criticism."

'Course, there was no greater attack on religion than by the anti-Prop 8 crowd in CA. So, you know, it's all happy under the Rainbow. As long as you have the right thoughts.

Posted by: jimmuy at December 07, 2011 01:12 PM (/JzSK)

132 I think he set it up with-if you don't have trouble with gays in the military-and we are going to be tolerant of that-

why can't we tolerate children celebrating Christmas?

I get where it isn't really a balanced contrast -because gays in the military have nothing to do with separation of Church and state.

But then he goes on to talk about Christian heritage not religion.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:14 PM (r2PLg)

133 I rolled my eyes and pantomimed jacking off. Posted by: Empire of Jeff

Very nice! It's like I could almost see your penis! Now, there is a glory hole in front of you! Continue...

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at December 07, 2011 01:14 PM (BbX1b)

134 'Course, there was no greater attack on religion than by the anti-Prop 8 crowd in CA.
im anti-Prop 8, pro religion, and anti-judicial activism
but im in FL so...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:14 PM (yAor6)

135 I think that "a larger incident" is just what we need, but I am glad that the big dummy in chief and his crew of weaklings decided to not go after our drone with soldiers or bombs. I would really hate to have to rally behindour leader just because we were involved in a scrap over a downed drone. I think George would have had that thing turned into slag within minutes though, and I would have supported that 100% ... call me picky!

Posted by: Errol at December 07, 2011 01:14 PM (vewos)

136 See HA comments for the "fail" reaction to this effort.

If I ever wanted to read Hot Air again, I'd have to go in for a lobotomy. I'd sooner let Daily Kos tell me what to think of a GOP candidate than that bizarro zoo of purists and Frummites.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 07, 2011 01:15 PM (IGkEP)

137 Just as an aside-

why shouldn't the state be able to encourage the perpetuation of the state?

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:16 PM (r2PLg)

138 Just looked at the Perry ad re: gays serving in the military/Christmas celebrations...Random, you just wanted to be offended by something if that offended you. Hand movements? Really?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 07, 2011 01:16 PM (rLhp2)

139 Sorry, Random. I know that would make your day, but no. I remain unfamiliar with the taste of penis.

Contrasting a judicial abuse of power to promote aberrant sexual behavior as normal, with another abuse of power to suppress the free expression of traditional American values is Screechy McOutrageous to you.

That's why you're a jagoff, Jagoff.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2011 01:16 PM (l9zgN)

140 Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:09 PM (YiE0S)
The evangelical vote is decisive,disunited andup for grabs in Iowa. He needs the state if he wants to make a comeback.What do you expect him to do? March in a pride-parade?

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 01:16 PM (97AKa)

141 Jennifer Rubin, David Frum, and Peggy Noonan walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, we don't get many respected opinion journalists in here." The three reply "Then this just the place we belong."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:18 PM (AZGON)

142 Im pro-gay marriage and pro DADT repeal and Im not offended by Perry's views on it, and oh yeah im not for Perry currently. So yeah not sure what there's to be up in arms about

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:19 PM (yAor6)

143 141
Jennifer Rubin, David Frum, and Peggy Noonan walk into a bar. The
bartender says "Hey, we don't get many respected opinion journalists in
here." The three reply "Then this just the place we belong."

Jennifer Rubin, David Frum, and Peggy Noonan walk into a bar. The
bartender says "Hey, are you some kind of joke?"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 01:19 PM (136wp)

144 Let the commercial speak for itself. I don't see how it helps him more than hurts him. See HA comments for the "fail" reaction to this effort.
Oh Noes!!! I literally LOLed. Are you

Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (q177U)

145 The evangelical vote is decisive,disunited andup for
grabs in Iowa. He needs the state if he wants to make a comeback.What
do you expect him to do? March in a pride-parade?Perry could have done what Newt did, and did a positive ad; except instead of about America, about American's Christian heritage and, say, Christian soldiers serving in the military.

Instead, he chose to weirdly combine a pro-Christian ad with slagging members of the military on active duty during wartime.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)

146 I guessing random isnt an iowa primary voter, if they were they would be bitching about his anti-ethanol views. If he does well in Iowa being anti-ethanol -- the dynamic changes.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (WkuV6)

147 Who is Jennifer Rubin? What does she do?

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2011 01:21 PM (I2LwF)

148 The Wahhabi Christians in Iowa are very confused right now. Mitt is right out as a Mormon and Newt fails to meet their comportment standards. This is getting to be very entertaining.

Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 01:22 PM (z0HdK)

149 Cornbrero: the ultimate fashion statement in Iowa. I own a closetful.

Posted by: Willard Romney at December 07, 2011 01:22 PM (AZGON)

150 Jen Rubin can blow me.....
Right after Mittens does.....

Posted by: izoneguy at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (i6Neb)

151 Perry could have done what Newt did, and did a positive ad; except instead of about America, about American's Christian heritage and, say, Christian soldiers serving in the military.What the fuck are you even talking about? A comercial celebrating christian soldiers? WTF? That is the single stupidest idea I have ever heard on this blog, and that is saying a lot...

Posted by: Max Power is still desperately clinging to Perry at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (q177U)

152
Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)
It always helps to have a visual of someone posting. Here is a picture of Random (SFW):
http://tinyurl.com/c272enk

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (136wp)

153 Has anyone noted that the Trum evil clownfest will probably be one of the best if not the best debate this year? (Viewed through the lens of lowered expectations after all the other debates were moderated by liberal fucktards that is.)

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (SDkq3)

154 Why is it okay for Ace, Hot Air, Red State, and Free Republic to all run "I hate Mitt" blogs, but it's absolutely horrible to have one blogger out there who supports Mitt?

Logic has not left the party, the party has left logic.


PS. Good to see the relatively irrelevance of the blogs opinion vis-a-vis the real world.

And Rick Perry, still? Really?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (447Af)

155 Odd Divergence In Blogger and Blog-Reader Preference: If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).
I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.
Bloggers are the new MSM! The blog-readers are revolting! Truly revolting.

Posted by: CJ at December 07, 2011 01:24 PM (9KqcB)

156 88 - Yup. Good listening today. Beck was the same way.

Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2011 01:25 PM (RJ+Gu)

157 Truman - she's the WaPo's token.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:25 PM (WkuV6)

158 Perry's problem is his inability to clearly articulate his ideas and lack of a bold, capable statement. He comes across as uncertain and a poor leader - probably unfair, but that's the perception. No amount of blogger support would change that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2011 01:26 PM (r4wIV)

159 NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 01:26 PM (136wp)

160 Truman - she's the WaPo's token tool.

Optional edit.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:26 PM (AZGON)

161 The evangelical vote is decisive,disunited andup for
grabs in Iowa.

I don't think that's limited to Iowa.
"Campaign Carl" Cameron said his sense is that the evangelicals and Tea Party types are willing to compromise and what they really seem to want is a candidate that will slap Obama around. Newt seems to be that man, to them.

"Campaign Carl" is telepathic.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:26 PM (+KHIt)

162 Here's a hint. If you write for The Washington Post odds are that you are not a conservative, and most likely not a Republican either.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2011 01:27 PM (YdQQY)

163 ith slagging members of the military on active duty during wartime.

Ya I hear you, he could have made it more about the process of that I guess.

Except the time limit of commercials...

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:27 PM (r2PLg)

164 Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)
But thats the point, isnt it? He has to show that he's more evangelical, more Christian, more Mosesthan Newty-Pie. So he tries to out-Santorum the frontrunner, since social issues are definitely Newts soft spot. Bland,positive adds justwouldnt do the trick.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (97AKa)

165 "A comercial celebrating christian soldiers?

Then soldiers of whatever faith at the soon upcoming Christmas, and showed them in a religious ceremony of some type, such as a field service. All the while, while talking about America`s Christian heritage.

Far better than disapproving of gay soldiers.

Lots of people will be rubbed wrong by that. It was gratuitous and unnecessary. No one was under the impression Perry supported gays in the military, but it's unnecessary to highlight this in his ad.

Lots of service members have no problem with gays, and lots of Republican voters too. CERTAINLY whatever a person's thoughts are on gays, many are willing to give deference to those putting their lives on the line in combat.

There's no good reason to publish an ad disapproving of them. A bit of decorum would have been nice.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (YiE0S)

166 Odd Divergence In Blogger and Blog-Reader Preference: If Rick Perry only had to get bloggers' support, he'd be doing okay (and Romney would be in bad shape).

I wonder why that is. We tend to read the same things.

Haha! Good point, CJ.

It must be that the bloggers are just so much more erudite and intelligent than the silly readers who need to be lead to the promised land. Funny, this concept seems familiar...

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (447Af)

167 Kampaign Kommie Karl is an idiot and will never support any conservative.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (YdQQY)

168 NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA

Please tell me they weren't Fisher-Price handcuffs.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (AZGON)

169 159
NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA

Time for some wet slapping sounds in the County Jail showers. Scumbag.

Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at December 07, 2011 01:29 PM (gQLr2)

170 Rubin would be a more effective Romney supporter if she weren't so obvious about it.
Like a lot of the sneaky stuff the Romney team does, their plans make sense on paper but the execution is awkward.
I'm not all that convinced that Romney sucks worse than most of the rest of this very sucky field, but I do worry that his campaign team can be pretty crappy in some of their tactics .

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 01:30 PM (epBek)

171 Newty ain't evangelical anymore unless you define evangelical in its real sense and not in its pop cultural sense.

Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 01:30 PM (vY0c7)

172 NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA
where's Paterno's handcuffs?
*runs*

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:30 PM (yAor6)

173 The saddest thing is Jen Rubin's "caricature" sketch on the header of her blog or whatever it is, is VASTLY more attractive, or less frightening than her actual visage. Yikes.

Please, move to the dark side, Jen, you would fit right in with the uglies on the left. Eeeww.

Posted by: deadrody at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (b2D8X)

174 168
NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA





Please tell me they weren't Fisher-Price handcuffs.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (AZGON)
He'll be making some friends in jail, tonight...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (136wp)

175 You could see it as-

"we accept X" -why not "Y"?

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (r2PLg)

176 He has to show that he's more evangelical, more Christian, more Mosesthan Newty-Pie.

No. He doesn't have to do that. He needs to be verbally sharp like "Newtie-pie".
The slightest hint of that ability will put him back at current Salamander levels.
A little more of the so-con stuff will drop him even further.

This is not one of those pure and holy election cycles.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (+KHIt)

177 What is the Daily Cannibal?

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (WkuV6)

178 As a concerned conservative Christian, I too think Perry's ad goes too far.

Posted by: Concerned Conservative Christian at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (/JzSK)

179 Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:28 PM (447Af)
I really do admire most of the bloggers I read. Ace especially. I can see how some could become somewhat detached. You take part in enough conference calls with campaigns and, you know...

Posted by: CJ at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (9KqcB)

180 Newt was converted to Catholicism by Callista.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:32 PM (r2PLg)

181 I'm not all that convinced that Romney sucks worse than most of the rest of this very sucky field, but I do worry that his campaign team can be pretty crappy in some of their tactics .

Mitt is going to have to get used to MFM grilling. However, even though he lost his cool with Brett Baier, tools like Hugh Hewitt maintain that his testiness was a good thing. I'm not kidding, he actually praised his blustery, pecksniffian performance.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:32 PM (AZGON)

182 NBC News - Jerry Sandusky has been taken from his home in handcuffs by the PA Centre County DA Brooklyn has its own football/gay/molesting scandal. Yesterday and today it was above the fold at the Daily news. It's really sick stuff. My husband was "warned" early and escaped the actual sexual abuse but not the abuse rained on those who didn't bend over for this perv. http://tinyurl.com/73g7a5w

Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 01:33 PM (vY0c7)

183 tools like Hugh Hewitt maintain that his testiness was a good thing. I'm not kidding, he actually praised his blustery, pecksniffian performance.
well remember Hugh claims hes not backing anyone until June, pfft, right *rolls eyes*. As I stated before Hugh was fair to the guys not named Romney but w/ his boy losing support he's freaking out and starting to show some hackery, same thing with Gibson.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:33 PM (yAor6)

184 Can't say that "other woman" Callista is much of a Catholic. Just sayin'

Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 01:33 PM (vY0c7)

185 Newt was converted to Catholicism by Callista.

Catholicism by Callista: the new fragrance available exclusively at Tiffany's and aboard select cruise ships.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:34 PM (AZGON)

186 Cafeteria.....

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:34 PM (r2PLg)

187 Random reminds me of the little orphans that bitch when a doctor performs his unnesesary tonsillectomy in order to afford a second home in the Hamptons. Quit your bitching and get back in the salt mines

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at December 07, 2011 01:34 PM (Qmfjq)

188 I am more of a secularist than a lot of Perry supporters, and than Perry himself I suspect, but I found nothing wrong with that ad.

First, since when did the majority view in the Republican party be for gays serving openly in the military? IIRC, GOP voters wanted to keep DADT.

Second, the ad is not about slamming gays in the military, but about aligning with the priorities of the majority of conservative voters. The point of the juxtaposition in that sentence between the gays serving openly in the military and children openly celebrating Christmas is to say that Obama's priorities are screwed up.

The point of that ad is to appeal to socons. There's nothing wrong with it and nothing wrong with a GOP candidate objecting to the administration's push to repeal DADT.

Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (5H6zj)

189 Did Axelrod fire up the bus this week? We've got new posters praising Soros and complaining that, god forbid, a Republican primary candidate obliquely be critical of gays in the military, sacre bleu. Do they know they are going to lose the election, so the strategy is keep the window from moving to far to the right?

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (WkuV6)

190 186 This cafeteria only sells full meals.

Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (vY0c7)

191 Random makes some good points though, but Im not really offended that a strong social conservative like Perry is playing for votes in a socially conservative state

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (yAor6)

192 As I stated before Hugh was fair to the guys not named Romney but w/ his boy losing support he's freaking out and starting to show some hackery

Yeah, he's been worse in the past, but that he expects anyone to believe the author of an entire (remaindered) book devoted to Mitt has no dog in this fight is absurd.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 07, 2011 01:36 PM (AZGON)

193 A little more of the so-con stuff will drop him even further.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:31 PM (+KHIt)
Look, I actually agree with you concerning this election and in general Im not much of a socon. But its Iowa we're talking about and considering that every top tier candidate has some problem with social issues, Perry might see it as a useful niche to boost his numbers. I dont think it will work, but I guess that this is the rational of the Perry campaign.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 07, 2011 01:37 PM (97AKa)

194 191
Random makes some good points though, but Im not really offended that a
strong social conservative like Perry is playing for votes in a socially
conservative state

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:35 PM (yAor6)
Oh, no, Perry should drop becuase he appealed to people who think like him..

Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 07, 2011 01:37 PM (136wp)

195 189.

Yeah, Soros is a capitalist. To deny such one would have to be an ignorant Beckerhead.

Grow up. Everyone you disagree with is not a "commie", although Fox News has begun calling Warren Buffett a socialist and even (RIP), Steve Jobs.

Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 01:41 PM (z0HdK)

196
Military is not the place for social engineering. It was never intended to be. DADT was awkward, but it served the purpose.


Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2011 01:42 PM (SAMxH)

197 Then soldiers of whatever faith at the soon upcoming Christmas, and showed them in a religious ceremony of some type, such as a field service. All the while, while talking about America`s Christian heritage.Far better than disapproving of gay soldiers.Lots of people will be rubbed wrong by that. It was gratuitous and unnecessary. No one was under the impression Perry supported gays in the military, but it's unnecessary to highlight this in his ad.Lots of service members have no problem with gays, and lots of Republican voters too. CERTAINLY whatever a person's thoughts are on gays, many are willing to give deference to those putting their lives on the line in combat.There's no good reason to publish an ad disapproving of them. A bit of decorum would have been nice.
As someone who's against an open gays in the military policy, yeah, you have a point. If he wanted to go negative,he could have said the same thing without seeming to go after actual servicemen (while Obama has allowedhomosexual activism in ourmilitary . . .

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 01:42 PM (epBek)

198 Soros is a capitalist.

Nazi collaborator and convicted felon Soros.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at December 07, 2011 01:46 PM (evdj2)

199 When the car crashes, rubes,the crash test dummies don't all fly out in exactly the same direction. LOL.
Stay classy, conservatives. Barack sends His love and His appreciation too. Heh.

Posted by: David Axelrod at December 07, 2011 01:46 PM (f8XyF)

200 "As someone who's against an open gays in the military policy, yeah,
you have a point. If he wanted to go negative,he could have said the
same thing without seeming to go after actual servicemen (while Obama
has allowedhomosexual activism in ourmilitary . . . "

In addition to talking about Christian heritage, Perry could have expressed disapproval of Obama using the military for social engineering experiments, without expressing disapproval of, by name, "gays serving openly in the military."

Most Americans aren't gay. However, most know gays. Most like at least one or two gays, or have them in their family. This wasn't smart politics.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (YiE0S)

201 "Nazi collaborator and convicted felon Soros."

You moron. He was a 14 yr old Jew. If he didn't pretend to be a Nazi they would have sent him to an oven.

Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (z0HdK)

202 Look, I actually agree with you concerning this election and in general
Im not much of a socon. But its Iowa we're talking about and considering
that every top tier candidate has some problem with social issues,
Perry might see it as a useful niche to boost his numbers. I dont think
it will work, but I guess that this is the rational of the Perry
campaign.
Thanks -- I actually agree with Perry on the gay-military thing, too.
This country has gone so far PC, though, that I'm surprised I'm still legally allowed to admit that.

I'm favoring Newt, but I actually like Perry's "gut instincts" better.
I agree with you and also think it won't work -- even in Iowa. Those people (Idiots Out Wandering Around) aren't nearly as conservative as they're portrayed as a group.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (+KHIt)

203 Random

If you are gay and in the military, and you have Republican values-you swim against the current so to speak-you have my upmost respect.

There is not much I admire more than people that go against the current.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (r2PLg)

204 my English stinks...hopefully you get the idea.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 01:50 PM (r2PLg)

205 He was a 14 yr old Jew. If he didn't pretend to be a Nazi they would have sent him to an oven.

Hmm.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 01:50 PM (evdj2)

206 Those people (Idiots Out Wandering Around) aren't nearly as conservative as they're portrayed as a group.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM (+KHIt)
Election projection (one of the best electoral prognosticators) has their first presidential projection for Iowa in 2012 as a Moderate Dem Hold

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is On The Newt Train Whether Becks Likes It Or Not at December 07, 2011 01:51 PM (yAor6)

207 Soros is not a Capitalist, he is a fascist in the old sense of the word. He is the oligarch who profits from political relationships. There is no way he can be defended.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2011 01:52 PM (WkuV6)

208 There is no way he can be defended.

Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 01:52 PM (evdj2)

209 Perry's ad may be what he needs in Iowa, but it's pretty toxic in the general elections in key demographics (e.g., Pennsylvania suburbanites).

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 07, 2011 01:53 PM (epBek)

210 "If you are gay and in the military, and you have Republican values-you
swim against the current so to speak-you have my upmost respect."

Thanks for the courtesy, however I'm not gay or in the military. I just see Perry's ad as really stupid politics, and disrespectful to gays I know. Any gay, or straight, or Christian or Jew, or atheist or pagan, Republican or Democrat, serving in the military has my respect for that.

As I said above, this ad could have been straight-out pro-positive-Christian-heritage, or it could have even attacked OBAMA for interfering with the military, but to express disapproval toward the military members themselves is just dumb and offensive.

EVEN IF gays serving openly in the military is a serious policy flaw (Sparta seemed to do alright, as does Israel and other nations), the politically smart thing to do when you're scrounging for GOP votes is to go after Obama on this, NOT a small but courageous group of the US military ... who, whatever you think of the current state of the law, are now serving openly and LEGALLY. It's not their fault if the law is wrong: they're just following it.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 01:55 PM (YiE0S)

211 The sad part about Soros is that we won't be shed of his malign influence even when he shuffles off to suck the barbed cock. His son is worse than he is.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 01:55 PM (evdj2)

212 From December of last year:

The Pew poll finds that Republicans overall are closely divided on DADT
repeal, 40-44. But the breakdown of Republicans is striking. It finds
that “moderate” and “liberal” Republicans strongly favor
repeal, 62-26. The only reason Republicans are closely divided at all is
because conservative Republicans oppose it, 28-52.

This is the Republican primary. When Romney and Bachmann decided to paint Perry as a liberal, he had to tack right.

Sure, we all know gays. That has nothing to do with whether or not it was wise policy to rush repeal of DADT and implementation of gays serving openly. To suggest otherwise is a liberal argument based on emotion.

Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 01:55 PM (5H6zj)

213 That's like predicting my dog is going to take a dump today. Do I get a medal?

Posted by: I/1027th of a Janitor at December 07, 2011 01:55 PM (tazG1)

214 Yeah, I can see Beck has sprinkled his high-school educated mind dust around here. There is nothing LESS political than currency trading. Central banks are notoriously secretive and out of reach of politicians.

Hayek is still great though. Cato invited Soros to speak at its recent Hayek tribute.

Collectivism is a cancer on capital.

Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 01:58 PM (z0HdK)

215 Random -

Oops over read things.

I still say you could read the juxtaposition as-

We accept "X"; why do we as a country have a problem with "Y"?

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 02:04 PM (r2PLg)

216
Guess I shouldn't express any views on gays in the military, since my view goes back to my service 40-some years ago. Different era.

But I support Perry and his viewpoint 100%.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2011 02:05 PM (SAMxH)

217 Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 01:48 PM

You're wrong--there were Jews who survived by making themselves useful to the Nazis--they helped track down other Jews to turn in. Soros and his father were two such--IIRC, they sold life insurance policies to Jews, and gave the names to the Nazis. Soros was only 14, and he might have been pressured by his father---but the filthy scum has never shown any regret for his actions. To the contrary, he said "If I didn't do it, someone else would have." Then he grew up and made his billions by destablizing the currencies of other countries. And now, he's a Lefty "idealist".

Posted by: Burke at December 07, 2011 02:05 PM (wmdMN)

218 You're just not going to get any traction pumping Soros as the great white hope around here, clarence.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 02:06 PM (evdj2)

219 28 Can I pay $100 to bitch slap Weigel?
Posted by: tasker
Give me $50 and I let you slap him twice, third slap is free.

Posted by: Gmac at December 07, 2011 02:06 PM (k2Fyd)

220 I still say you could read the juxtaposition as-





We accept "X"; why do we as a country have a problem with "Y"?

---

Truthfully, that's exactly as I heard it.

I still don't see where the alleged personal attack on servicemen is supposed to be. Perhaps they could have changed the script from (paraphrasing) 'gays openly serving in the military' to 'repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell' -- which would make it more clearly about the policy, not the people. But even as written and filmed, it is not an attack on anybody.

Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 02:10 PM (5H6zj)

221
We accept "X"; why do we as a country have a problem with "Y"?


I think Perry's body language strongly belies his "acceptance" of it. Palms down, disapproval; followed by quick opening of palms, approval (of children).

Whether planned (of course it was rehearsed! It's a 31-second spot and they have body language experts, for goodness sakes) or not, there was nothing in Rick Perry's tone or demeanor to suggest "acceptance".

Yes it could be read that way -- had he delivered it completely different. But even if this was a highly likely double meaning mistake, you gotta watch out for those things in politics; you really do. This is a scripted set-piece commercial, not an off-the-cuff moment.

Even if Perry meant, "We accept gays serving openly in the military," it is apparent to me he was also communicating his personal disapproval.

Now wouldn't an ad like I suggested above (as derived from some of the comments by other commenters mentioning the President) going after Obama for tinkering with the military's social culture during wartime be better than what you saw here?

Because I'm hardly the only person that saw it this way.

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 02:10 PM (YiE0S)

222 *highly unlikely

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 02:10 PM (YiE0S)

223 "PS. Good to see the relatively irrelevance of the blogs opinion vis-a-vis the real world.





And Rick Perry, still? Really?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 07, 2011 01:23 PM (447Af)"
Why would you be happy about blogs being irrelevant? Are you just trolling?And yeah, Rick Perry. One of the best governors in the country. Why shouldn't he had support? He's got the best plan for the country, too.Is he going to win? No. But supporting someone because he's popular is pathetic.

Posted by: Dustin at December 07, 2011 02:11 PM (rQ/Ue)

224 218

Don't care. I support capitalists like Soros.

And 217 - I can't imagine being a 14 yr old Jew in Nazi territory.

Well, guys, its been fun. The next Hayek day might bring me back.

Posted by: Clarence at December 07, 2011 02:12 PM (z0HdK)

225 I support capitalists like Soros.

I don't doubt it for a second.

Posted by: toby928© at December 07, 2011 02:13 PM (evdj2)

226 216

Guess I shouldn't express any views on gays in the military, since
my view goes back to my service 40-some years ago. Different era.

But I support Perry and his viewpoint 100%.
----

What can your military service mean when compared to 'body language experts?'
/sarc


The country is indeed upside down when being opposed to the repeal of DADT is supposedly a death knell in the Republican primary.

Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 02:14 PM (5H6zj)

227 Gmac

LOL! man I would say Weigel's face is always looks like he just got slapped and maybe it's just becasue he's perma-embarassed of voting for Ron Paul! except-"there he goes again..."

*****

Y-not

Perhaps they could have changed the script from (paraphrasing) 'gays openly serving in the military' to 'repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

Yep, except for I bet if you polled the electorate they really might not know the term...ya I know that's condescending of me-but there it is.

*******

Random

I went to go take another look at it and his site to see what you are referring to and it won't load for me.

Posted by: tasker at December 07, 2011 02:16 PM (r2PLg)

228 No worries, tasker. That's just my opinion. I'm a minority, probably, in being turned off by this ad (but definitely not alone: the HA thread was telling). However, pretty much everyone else was already turned off by Rick Perry for one reason or another, so what's the dif?

Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 02:25 PM (YiE0S)

229 Soros is satanic. Then and now.

Posted by: dagny at December 07, 2011 02:29 PM (vY0c7)

230 Here are 3 consecutive comments at the HA Headlines thread. They show both my interpretation, and Tasker's.



Worst, most offensive ad so far this year. You seriously think independents are going to vote for this guy? He is not going to win any swing state. He is not going to win anything. If anything, this is just material for late night comedy shows.

DanStark on December 7, 2011 at 1:36 PM

The ad is drawing a distinction between the tolerance extended to gay military members on the one hand, and the lack of tolerance for people of faith on the other. It’s not so much a DADT issue being raised here, but rather Perry calling out the Democrats on their hypocrisy.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on December 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Jesus christ. For all of Carney’s innovative use of metrics in campaigning, this ad really makes me question if he’s got any business working a national. “Oh, well Iowan Republicans are largely evangelical, so let’s appeal to that with the subtlety of a steamroller!”

galenrox on December 7, 2011 at 1:58 PM


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Posted by: Random at December 07, 2011 02:34 PM (YiE0S)

231 I thought she was going to be a contender. Instead she sold out to be Howie Kurtz's new favorite rightie.

Geraghty was too unreliable in that role. Nobody mocks Obama on Howie's show!

Posted by: Wrong About Rubin at December 07, 2011 02:39 PM (ocHBO)

232 >>Whatever you can call the add, a political winner it is not.

You're basing that on Hot Air commenters' remarks?

The ad is generating attention (as gauged by your fascination by it) and is clearly an appeal to conservative GOP voters, who are overwhelmingly opposed to the repeal of DADT (by more than a 2:1 margin).

Posted by: Y-not at December 07, 2011 02:40 PM (5H6zj)

233 Jenn Rubin? Must be one of the famous Scots-Irish families everyone is always going on about.

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