Ron Paul: Of Course I'm Not Going To Show Up To Trump's Debate. Newt Gingrich: I'm There!

Advantage: Um, yeah, ah....Ron Paul.

I had this in the last thread but it's probably worth discussing a bit more.

Here's Paul's statement.

“The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity. Mr. Trump’s participation as moderator will distract from questions and answers concerning important issues such as the national economy, crushing federal government debt, the role of the federal government, foreign policy, and the like. To be sure, Mr. Trump’s participation will contribute to an unwanted circus-like atmosphere.

“Mr. Trump’s selection is also wildly inappropriate because of his record of toying with the serious decision of whether to compete for our nation’s highest office, a decision he appeared to make frivolously. The short-lived elevation of Mr. Trump’s stature as a candidate put him on the radar of many organizations and we recall that last spring he was invited to keynote the Republican Party of Iowa’s annual Lincoln Day Dinner, yet at the last minute he left RPI holding the bag by canceling. In turn, RPI canceled its biggest fundraising gala of the year and suffered embarrassment and in addition RPI was required to engage in refunding measures. Our candidate will not even consider participating in the late-December debate until Mr. Trump publicly apologizes to Iowa party leaders and rectifies in full the situation.

“Therefore our candidate Ron Paul, the champion of the Constitution, has advised he will not attend.”

Team Newt says,

Newt has accepted the invitation from Newsmax for a December 27 debate in Iowa.

As I wrote in the last post I think anyone who shows up to the Trump Show should be disqualified from serious contention. So that's....awkward.

I guess it makes sense since Newt is running as "I'll debate anyone, anywhere" guy but I think considering he's doing at least two 1 on 1 debates (Cain and Huntsman) and Mitt has chickened out on facing Gingrich, Newt might have gotten a pass on this one.

It'll be interesting to see who else accepts this. What if Newt is still the front runner, none of the other regulars accept (Huntsman already said no) and he's on stage with Trump and....Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer? That's going to be...pathetic.

With Newt it's always a matter of taking the good with the bad and more often than you'd like, the downright awful.

Added: Newt confirms.

Newt on Trump debate: "How could you turn down the Donald? ... I would want to go just for the entertainment value."

Well, as long as he's entertained!

Posted by: DrewM. at 02:18 PM



Comments

1 "As I wrote in the last post I think anyone who shows up to the Trump
Show should be disqualified from serious contention. So
that's....awkward."

I'm not sure I'd go that far, though I sure wouldn't call it a smart move. Maybe it's just that this clown-car derby has driven my expectations down into the second sub-basement, with the mutant rats and long-term parking.

Posted by: Ken at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (7yb9x)

2 FIRST (???)

Is this the one with Trump?

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (Qxe/p)

3 WTF Drew?

You prefer some liberal shithead like Wolf Blitzer?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (7+pP9)

4 First look at Ron Paul?

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (bZ8J6)

5
Newt's always up for a challenge.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:22 PM (sqkOB)

6 I think this will be unexpectedly good.

Posted by: Jose at December 03, 2011 02:22 PM (srIqv)

7 Newt should be embarrassed. We should be embarrassed for Donald Trump.

Posted by: Full Nelson at December 03, 2011 02:23 PM (EL+OC)

8
Ron Paul, Passer of Gas, Blinker of Eyes

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:23 PM (sqkOB)

9 Sorry, but Ron Paul saying Al-queda is no threat to the US had pretty muchdelegimatized him on whathe has to say on anything non-financial.
this helps Newt and anyone else who attends, Trump's a loud mouth self promoter, but that's something that's needed against Messaih Barry;

Posted by: johnc_EXdem at December 03, 2011 02:23 PM (ACkhT)

10 #6
I think you might be right.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 02:24 PM (Qxe/p)

11 Matt Damon!

Posted by: Ron Paul! at December 03, 2011 02:24 PM (TCyyS)

12 I hope Trump makes a lot of Riptide references.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 03, 2011 02:24 PM (SLSkf)

13 By the way: I fucked all them chicks. My pimp hand remains strong.

Posted by: Wilt Chamberlain at December 03, 2011 02:25 PM (bZ8J6)

14
don't worry; i'm burning out

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:26 PM (sqkOB)

15 Eff Ron Paul and all the Paultards living by me that put his big-ass signs in their yards.

Yeah there are quite a few of them. S-C-A-R-Y.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 03, 2011 02:28 PM (Gk2lv)

16
cuz snow men asking questions via youtube is so much more fucking dignified. Or for that matter, any of the bull shit bias moderators put up by MSDNC, or the People's Broadcasting Service, or Communist News Network.
I am not a Trump apologist of fan. I merely amasserting that for at least two cycles, the debate formats have been designed by idiots for idiots.

Posted by: California Red at December 03, 2011 02:29 PM (DXTKe)

17
how many times has Ron Paul run for prez?

and who has Ron Paul endorsed in the past?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:30 PM (sqkOB)

18 I think the zionist-puppets-in-waiting debate that the republican jewish coalition banned he good doctor from is more noteworthy:

infowars.com/republican -jewish-coalition-bars- ron-paul-from-debate- hes-misguided-and-extreme/

They fear him for a reason, the usurers can't afford to have the golem collapse in on them before the necessary global governance architecture is needed to replace it is ready.

Ron Paul 2012:
no bribes
no bailouts
no wars for israel
AMERICA BITCHES!!!!

Posted by: Baron hater Von Anti-semite at December 03, 2011 02:30 PM (Nadh0)

19 Trump would easily give Ron Paul more than 89 seconds to speak, and Ron Paul calls Trump's debate stupid?!!?
Also, its being sponsored by newmax, who has interviewed Paul numerous times

Posted by: johnc_EXdem at December 03, 2011 02:30 PM (ACkhT)

20
puppets in waiting?


Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (sqkOB)

21 When Paul is involved it is sure to be a Freakshow Production.

Posted by: sTevo at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (VMcEw)

22 Dammit all to hell I'm sick and tired of these RINOs raining on my Newt parade.

I've forgotten more about being a true and pure conservative than y'all have known. Hell, punks, after my daddy got me my 4th student deferment in '69 I went on to inherit the family business and then I ran it into the ground. I've also been reading National Review for decades, so I know a thing or two about how the world works.

Not participating in a carnival sideshow debate is for losers and chumps. Only true American heroes have the Tiffany's rocks to man up and debate 'em all, at any time, wherever the hell you can find 'em. The Newt is that true American hero.

Newt Gingrich, son. Say it out loud. Soldier. Statesmen. Governor. True and pure conservative American hero.

Gingrich-Cain-Bachmann-Palin, '12.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (r2PLg)

23 and who has Ron Paul endorsed in the past?

Rand Paul.
Next question.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (Qxe/p)

24
my puppet is left wanting, if you get my drift

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (sqkOB)

25 Yahtzee!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 03, 2011 02:31 PM (Qxdfp)

26
did Dr Paul endorse McCain in 08?

I don't remember.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:32 PM (sqkOB)

27 8 Ron Paul, Passer of Gas, Blinker of Eyes

How does he keep his gills wet?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 03, 2011 02:33 PM (Qxdfp)

28
Ron Paul, Detector of Lizards

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:33 PM (sqkOB)

29 I hate all these dumbass debates.
That said, out of all of them so far, the one in Iowa that was more of a sit-down forum....didn't suck as much.
Ever since I heard of this Trump debate, I've been wondering what sort of questions Trump would have for the candidates.....
If Huntsman were there, he would probably get a question on China......as in, "How can you be so fucking friendly with a country that is boning us every day?"
A Trump question for Ron Paul might've been equally as entertaining.
Since Newt in going to be there.....Perry will have to be there too.
Is this ION channel on most people's basic cable lineup? I hope so.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 02:33 PM (ZC1fT)

30 So is Trump there to be a Bobby "The Brain" Heenan or a Jimmy "Mouth of the South" Hart?

Posted by: Count de Monet, Master and Commander of His Domain, Minister Plenipotentiary at December 03, 2011 02:34 PM (4q5tP)

31 I hate it when my golem collapses.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 03, 2011 02:35 PM (SLSkf)

32 29 ...is going to be there

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 02:37 PM (ZC1fT)

33
have you seen Trump's yootube rants?

he's pretty much a Drinking With Bob knockoff

Bob does his rants in a t-shirt in a basement. Trump does the same type of rant in a two-thousand dollar suit and in a billion-dollar high-rise office.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:37 PM (sqkOB)

34 Romney "chickened out" by not agreeing to take extraordinary measures to alter his strategy in order to possibly helpout an opponent? What a wimp. Remember those pussy-ass 1986 Bears who refused to play an AirCoryell offense just because they were far better at defense and the ground game? Ditka, Payton, Perry, they're all a bunch of world class pussies for chickening out like that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2011 02:38 PM (Qjh0I)

35 So, Pon Raul, okay with debates on MSCNNBCCCP, not so much with Trump.

Got it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2011 02:38 PM (bxiXv)

36 29

Reminds me of the British Embassy in Smolensk.

30

Definitely Bobby the Brain.
So what, Newt would be Ravishing Ric?


Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 03, 2011 02:38 PM (Qxdfp)

37 Since Newt in going to be there.....Perry will have to be there too.

Let's see ... Newt shows Perry how to properly defend the "heartless" stuff, Perry gets to look good on the "start with zero" foreign aid dollars with Trump, Cain gets implied to be a good financial adviser, and Trump starts to look like a potential Secretary of State.

What do you mean by have to be there too?

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 02:39 PM (Qxe/p)

38 O/T - Should we all start flying the swastika Obama Pepsi logofrom our balconies too?

Posted by: RushBabe at December 03, 2011 02:39 PM (tQHzJ)

39 This does seem like a bit of a monkey-circus. The Donald should at least be appreciative of these guy's efforts, as he experienced the media's Palinization effort on him.

Posted by: joeindc44 at December 03, 2011 02:40 PM (S9InG)

40 I don't like the idea of giving Trump any degree of legitimacy, but a debate that doesn't waste time on Paul and Huntsman? Yeah, Id watch it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 03, 2011 02:41 PM (7WoPd)

41
A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for legalized HEROIN

A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Marijuana legalization


A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Gay Marriages


A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Liber-al-tarian-ism which is
not Republican-ism nor is it Conservative. Libertarian-ism is Libertarian-ism. PERIOD!




but the worst part is that Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for AYN RAND who's personal philosophy was used by Anton Levay to author his Bible.




Now don't get me wrong because a Vote for Obama is even worse
than a Vote for Ayn Rand (aka Ron Paul) but I can't for Ron Paul (aka Ayn Rand) because of her anti-christian views.



Ron Paul's extreme views on Drug Legalization and bizarre adoration
of Ayn Rand (who's Philosophy is the foundation of the Satanic Bible)
makes him un electable. Sorry.....




Posted by: Carpenter at December 03, 2011 02:41 PM (19630)

42 Newt will come off just fine, I believe ... might help Perry too depending on which way the former Cain voters are breaking. Romney pretty much has to show now doesn't he?

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:41 PM (wPDH5)

43 I am still honoring those $9.99 pizza coupons.

Axe for take out and I'll have one of my ho's deliver it.

Posted by: Herman the pizza guy at December 03, 2011 02:42 PM (hXJOG)

44 Is Newt the only one to say yes-so far?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 02:42 PM (r2PLg)

45 Drew's with Ron Paul. Brilliant.
And no, classic Americana like Trump is NOT beneath the president, or a would be president. NOTHING genuinely American is beneath the president. It is perfectly appropriate for any candidate to go on Jerry Springer, Dirty Jobs, MTV, Conan Obrien, or read My Pet Goat to first graders. Sheesh.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 03, 2011 02:44 PM (kTTUz)

46 44
I'm sure Greta will be there in the peanut gallery.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 03, 2011 02:44 PM (Qxdfp)

47 37.....What do you mean by have to be there too?
Well, he would look like a wimp if he didn't....wouldn't he?
And besides, Perry has gone out his way to kiss Trump's ring....so this would've been a tough call for him to cancel, if Newt had taken the same highhorse position as Paul and Huntsman and cancelled too.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 02:44 PM (ZC1fT)

48 Now that I think about it, if after a good, substantive discussion of issues by Newt, Perry and Romney, Trump then tells all three "I think each of you would make a fine President, and any of you would be better than the man who holds the job now," it's possible that everyone could come off looking good.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:44 PM (wPDH5)

49 Only Newt has the balls to do it. Far from "disqualifying", it shows me Newt has some courage. You might not like it, but Donald Trump does have some influence on a fairly large number of the electorate. I imagine Donald might ask a few uncomfortable questions.

Posted by: Macaroon at December 03, 2011 02:46 PM (yPwNF)

50 When I have my Republican primary debate, I'm requiring the candidates to dress up in funny costumes.

Posted by: Monty Hall at December 03, 2011 02:46 PM (yQwq5)

51 42
Newt will come off just fine, I believe ... might help Perry too
depending on which way the former Cain voters are breaking. Romney
pretty much has to show now doesn't he?


Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:41 PM (wPDH5)
Did Perry agree to this? Last I heard, he said he hadn't received an invitation.Wouldn't surprise me if he was on board, he met with Trump earlier.But at this point, Perry can't afford to skip a debate if Newt and/or Romney will be there.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 02:47 PM (73tyQ)

52 48

That or he says "After talking to you Bozo's I can see I'm the only man for the job, so I'm running on a third party platform". Then pitches his new line of hair product.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 03, 2011 02:47 PM (Qxdfp)

53 Can you imagine a Trump White House?

Jackie O would roll over in her grave. I mean, how much gold-plating is too much, right?

Oh, and screw him and the mule he rode in on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 02:48 PM (piMMO)

54 So is Trump there to be a Bobby "The Brain" Heenan or a Jimmy "Mouth of the South" Hart?Posted by: Count de Monet, Master and Commander of His Domain, Minister Plenipotentiary at December 03, 2011 02:34 PM (4q5tP) No. Paul Bearer I believe.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2011 02:48 PM (jucos)

55 I doubt that Trump would have any questions about wife-cheating, or number of divorces.....since he wouldn't want to go there. ....So, there's that.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 02:48 PM (ZC1fT)

56 All right, it's absurd. But is it any worse than candidates hosting Saturday Night Live?

Posted by: Dianna at December 03, 2011 02:49 PM (mKMj1)

57 >>>> You might not like it, but Donald Trump does have some influence on a fairly large number of the electorate. I imagine Donald might ask a few uncomfortable questions.

Right- that demographic is what I'd define as "idiots".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 03, 2011 02:49 PM (dsxR5)

58 Let's not kid ourselves here. Trump's participation is about Trump.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 02:49 PM (piMMO)

59 So going on with Trump is wrong and not dignified? But going on with CNN/MSNBC/ and CBS which didn't even show the whole debate is fine? Ya kinda lost me on that one

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 03, 2011 02:49 PM (CSwaT)

60 BTW, Houston's down 14 late in the 3rd.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:49 PM (wPDH5)

61 Drew's with Ron Paul. Brilliant.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 03, 2011 02:44 PM (kTTUz)


WTF are you talking about?

Just because I think he made the right call on one specific (non policy) question I'm now with him?


Posted by: DrewM. at December 03, 2011 02:51 PM (YqXne)

62 Funny if Newt's the only ass to show up.

Posted by: Full Nelson at December 03, 2011 02:51 PM (EL+OC)

63 So going on with Trump is wrong and not dignified? But going on with
CNN/MSNBC/ and CBS which didn't even show the whole debate is fine? Ya
kinda lost me on that one

You obviously don't grasp the term "objective journalism".

Posted by: Chris Matthews at December 03, 2011 02:51 PM (Qxe/p)

64 The U.S. ambassador to Belgium, Howard Gutman, recently told a conference hosted by the European Jewish Union that Israel is to blame for growing anti-Semitism harbored by people of Muslim faith.

“A distinction should be made between traditional anti-Semitism, which should be condemned and Muslim hatred for Jews, which stems from the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians,” Gutman reportedly said, according to the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth. “He also argued that an Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty will significantly diminish Muslim anti-Semitism.”

According to the account in the Israeli paper, “The legal experts at the event were visibly stunned by Gutman’s words, and the next speaker offered a scathing rebuttal to the envoy’s remarks.”

Gutman was a major fundraiser for President Obama’s 2008 election campaign. He bundled $500,000 for Obama, according to OpenSecrets.org, personally giving at least $2,300 to the campaign.

In 2009, Obama nominated Gutman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, to be ambassador to Belgium

I am an American Jew and normally rather non-violent. However if I ever run into this putz I'd take a swing at him and I would not miss.

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 03, 2011 02:51 PM (CSwaT)

65 Well Trump said he would endorse after the debate.

There is some ambiguity because some people noticed trump said-

I will endorse after the debates

Plural.

Still it looks like a contest to garnish favor with the King Maker.

It's not exactly Presidential...

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 02:51 PM (r2PLg)

66 Particularly if the first definition holds.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (r2PLg)

67 15
Eff Ron Paul and all the Paultards living by me that put his big-ass signs in their yards.

Yeah there are quite a few of them. S-C-A-R-Y.


Posted by: laceyunderalls

Oh, wow - really? I'm so sorry. I've encountered a few Luap Norians on my way in and out of San Francisco - they're a bit like La Rouchites who got lost on their way to #Occupy - but this year, no signs have yet appeared.

Posted by: Dianna at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (mKMj1)

68
♪ Going back to Houston Houston Houston...

Posted by: Dean Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (sqkOB)

69
<i>"Sorry, but Ron Paul saying Al-queda is no threat to the US had pretty much delegimatized him on what he has to say on anything non-financial."</i>
1) When did Ron Paul say that? 2) Why do people like you twist his words so wildly out of context?
Paulhas never said no threat exists, what he has said is that 1)our response is out of proportion with the threat, and 2) the threat is political in nature, not religious as you are led to believe. Do you deny this? You think multiple wars, thousands of troops and perhaps as many as a million civilians dead, many trillions of dollars in debt, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, TSA, yada, yada, is a level-headed response to 19 guys with boxcutters? Think about that, 19 guys with boxcutters.


Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (WSj9U)

70 Come and kiss my ring!

Posted by: The Donald at December 03, 2011 02:53 PM (jucos)

71 Right- that demographic is what I'd define as "idiots".
I don't see how this is any worse than Oprah or The View ore whatever. Maybe Perry will shine in a different environment. Worth a shot, he can't do much worse than he's been doing lately.

I wonder who Cain is going to endorse? If he says Mitt I don't ever want to hear anything from that adulterous pizza-tossing faux conservative again.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:53 PM (wPDH5)

72
Romney "chickened out" by not agreeing to take extraordinary measures to
alter his strategy in order to possibly helpout an opponent?

Yeah that's what I thought also. Newt makes a pitch to up his profile and everyone is supposed to jump, if they don't they're chicken. Yeah right.

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at December 03, 2011 02:54 PM (GZitp)

73
just watched the vid of Dean Martin singing Houston

the man exudes charm; it pours out of him like a faucet

Posted by: Dean Soothsayer at December 03, 2011 02:54 PM (sqkOB)

74 Come and kiss my ring!
Posted by: The Donald at December 03, 2011 02:53 PM

This-it nails it pretty much.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 02:54 PM (r2PLg)

75 ore = or obviously. Must be thinking of precious metals ... guess Paul's finally gotten to me ....

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:56 PM (wPDH5)

76 The only debate I would pay to see would be Newt vs Barney Frank. Ole BF can sling some insults and Newt is a dick himself.


Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 02:56 PM (z0HdK)

77 Give the old loon credit, he can see that a Trump debate is a mistake, why can't he see what a joke his foreign policy is?

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 02:58 PM (MMC8r)

78 Paulhas never said no threat exists, what he has said is that 1)our
response is out of proportion with the threat, and 2) the threat is
political in nature, not religious as you are led to believe. Do you
deny this? You think multiple wars, thousands of troops and perhaps as
many as a million civilians dead, many trillions of dollars in debt,
Patriot Act, Homeland Security, TSA, yada, yada, is a level-headed
response to 19 guys with boxcutters? Think about that, 19 guys with
boxcutters.

Yeah because that's all Islam threat is, 19 guys with boxcutters. Think about that asshole.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 02:58 PM (GZitp)

79 It would be a mistake for the others to give Newt an two-hour long solo forum in which no one brings up personal shortcomings. Dude can be damned persuasive when he gets on a roll.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 02:58 PM (wPDH5)

80 but this year, no signs have yet appeared.

Oh and you should see his bumper stickers. They are about four times the size of a normal sticker. His followers are such freaks. They scare me almost as much as progs.....almost.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 03, 2011 02:58 PM (Gk2lv)

81
I am The Champion of The Constitution Man!

Posted by: Ron Paul at December 03, 2011 02:58 PM (sqkOB)

82 Romney owns Clear Channel Radio, doesn't he? .....So it would surprise me if Cain didn't endorse him.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (ZC1fT)

83
my super power is the ability to read and interpret the U.S. Constitution

Posted by: Ron Paul at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (sqkOB)

84 It's some twisted version of-

The Donald-The Pope of Greenwich Village.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (r2PLg)

85 Newt the whore, of course he'll show up especially given this stage was set. Trump is ready to be "nice" to Gingrich with whatever financial donation or endorsement follows promises, tit for tat between croupiers whose political views don't conflict.

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (lpWVn)

86 I can't believe you fuckers are falling my bullshit.

ahahahahahhaha

Posted by: Newt "Pelosi" Gingrich at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (tJa5V)

87 WTF Drew?You prefer some liberal shithead like Wolf Blitzer?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (7+pP9)

Yes. Drew loves liberal moderators. I'm not kidding. That's my impression.
I think this has some chanceof being the best debate these candidates haveduring the primary season. Trump may benothing but a showman, but we could very well get some questions thatall of us have been wanting to hear from the beginning.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (Fb/FO)

88 How much you wanna bet Trump's going to send them all out onto the streets of NCY to sell "Trump" bottled water, and whoever sells the most, wins. Herman Cain could have owned this one.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 03, 2011 02:59 PM (xXhWA)

89 Here's the other thing about the Trump debate.

Let's suppose it isn't a clown show visually and just looks like every other debate. Even if Trump has a 5 minute opening monologue and asks stupid selfish questions. We might remember that and say "Why does the GOP keep agreeing to these stupid debates?" but for most voters, they're going to see the soundbytes that the candidates produce.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 03:00 PM (73tyQ)

90 Stay tuned for our rockin' GOP debate on Jan 11, moderated by Snookie, The Situation, and Mike Judge as Beavis!

Posted by: MTV at December 03, 2011 03:00 PM (soLLl)

91 42-21 S. Miss near the end of the 3rd. UH can't stop the big plays. Too bad, they had a good year and needed a big break. Looks like they fucked it up.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:01 PM (wPDH5)

92 As ridiculous as this is, the argument that this is beneath the candidates would be a lot stronger if they weren't doing 10,000 other debates already. It would also be a lot stronger if it wasn't being made by a candidate that shows up on Prison Planet with Alex Jones.

Yeah, this is going to be stupid, but I wouldn't say it's disqualifying. (Between the two of them, I'd also be more worried about Newsmax vs. the Trump connection.)

Posted by: AD at December 03, 2011 03:01 PM (bvNnY)

93 Seems we're electing the game-show-host-in-chief instead of a president so sure, why not? It's not like the GOP primary can get any more ridiculous, though I bet it will get even less funny after another few months of watching these clowns climb into and out of their tiny cars.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 03, 2011 03:01 PM (rLhp2)

94
I just famously tweeted something famous.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at December 03, 2011 03:01 PM (sqkOB)

95 Trump has his fans and, though I am not one of them, I am perfectly content with Newt showing up, educating some of them and walking away with a few more votes. Also, Trump has money and so do his friends. Maybe it is not so smart a move to walk away. After all the other debates this will attract a different audience and probably be more relaxed and entertaining.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (JKNDp)

96 @#9. He never said that. What he said was that they were not the PRIMARY threat. Big difference.. now address your cognitive dissonance over him.

Posted by: Ugrev at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (862vz)

97 Ron Paul's Federal Reserve lunacy is a DQer for me. Every civilized country in the world has a central bank.

As an investor/stockbroker I can't fathom this End the Fed nonsense. There is no alternative but letting banks run their own script which has been a total failure throughout history.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (z0HdK)

98 How much you wanna bet Trump's going to send them all out onto the streets of NCY to sell "Trump" bottled water, and whoever sells the most, wins. Herman Cain could have owned this one.

oy.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (r2PLg)

99
His [Ron Paul's] followers are
such freaks. They scare me almost as much as progs.....almost.


Posted by: laceyunderalls

After wading through Occupests, not much scares me - but the proggies need the facts of life explained to them, I so agree.

Posted by: Dianna at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (mKMj1)

100 @69, 19 guys with boxcutters attacked the largest symbol of capitalism in the West, an attack that could have easily killed 50,000 people (the capacity of the World Trade Center at the time the planes hit). They attacked the center of the US military, and without the courage of the passengers of Flight 93, they would have attacked the capitol building. It wasn't 19 guys with boxcutters, it was the largest unprovoked attack ever on American soil.
By yours and Dr. Paul's rationale, a few Japanese airplanes bombing Pearl Harbor would be no cause for alarm either.
That's why staunch conservative libertarians like myself can still be repulsed by Dr. Paul, although he's so right on economic issues. One of the very few jobs of the government described in the Constitution is to provide for defense. Dr. Paul has absolutely no interest in that, which makes me wonder what other parts of the Constitution he has issues with.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 03:02 PM (g7D8V)

101
Watch me jump over this copy of the Constitution in a single leap bound.

Posted by: Ron Paul at December 03, 2011 03:03 PM (sqkOB)

102 I actually think this will be better than mot debates. And Ron Paul wont be there.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 03, 2011 03:04 PM (wUBw3)

103 most*

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 03, 2011 03:04 PM (wUBw3)

104 Trump's debate format I'd like to see:
The Crazy 8 debate involves placing bonus 250 RNC delegate votesat the top of a scaffold with the first candidateto retrieve it being declared the winner. Placed in and around the confines of the debate platformfor the candidatesto utilize during the debate are one side of a steel cage, two trampolines, and four rope swings.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Master and Commander of His Domain, Minister Plenipotentiary at December 03, 2011 03:05 PM (4q5tP)

105 What? Simon Cowell wasn't available? Simon would have some valuable insights. "Ron, crazy eye will take you only so far. Everybody is getting tired of your Jewish conspiracy rant. And Herman, keep it in your pants. This isn't the television version of Penthouse Forum."

If not Simon then Drew Carey. "Rick Perry, with the help of Linda Thompson on the piano, improvise a song in the style of Little Richard entitled "Rockin' Like a Racist."

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:05 PM (TVvXc)

106 15
Eff Ron Paul and all the Paultards living by me that put his big-ass signs in their yards.

Yeah there are quite a few of them. S-C-A-R-Y.





When I was an undergrad, a few Paulians decided to plaster "Ron Paul
Revolution" signs on all the lower dorm windows and paint the same
message (plus other slogans) on the sidewalks. Also have some
acquaintances who are Paulians.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 03, 2011 03:05 PM (d6QMz)

107 WTF? Is there really any question about Paul and his supporters? Seriously, dude's a freak and his zombiefied fans are absurd. I'm embarrassed for the lot of them.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:06 PM (wPDH5)

108 Why is "anti-semitism" cool these days?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 03:06 PM (r2PLg)

109
slowiowan - "Yeah because that's all Islam threat is, 19 guys with boxcutters. Think about that asshole."
What a colorful response. Clearly you must know something I don't. Please enlighten me and tell me about this great threat that justifies this.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:07 PM (WSj9U)

110 I take it Luap Nor is the name of the Ronulan homeworld?

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman's Big Furry Butt Supports Perry's Drama For President at December 03, 2011 03:07 PM (5sjB7)

111 Please enlighten me and tell me about this great threat that justifies this.

Hi.

Posted by: Muslims with Nukes at December 03, 2011 03:08 PM (MMC8r)

112 Never before has Islam resorted to killing people, just those nineteen guys with boxcutters.
Islam has never before poised a threat to Israel, just nineteen guys with boxcutters.
No Iran embassy, no 1993 WTC attack, no attacks on our embassies in Lebanon, Beriut, Kuwait, Aukar, etc., no Madrid bombing, no other Islamic terrorist attack ever.

Just nineteen guys with boxcutters.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:09 PM (GZitp)

113 What a colorful response. Clearly you must know something I don't.
Please enlighten me and tell me about this great threat that justifies
this.
The country that trained those guys with boxcutters and whatnot through their proxy state is a hostile nuclear power. You can't really fix that situation with police investigations or letters or marque or anything like that.


Posted by: Abdominal Snowman's Big Furry Butt Supports Perry's Drama For President at December 03, 2011 03:10 PM (5sjB7)

114 Ron Paul was also nixed by the Jewish Republican Coalition debate on Wed, Dec 7th. They told him to go fuck himself and called him an extremist.

(yeah, there IS such a debate)

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 03:10 PM (z0HdK)

115 Oh hell, the italics for the quote didn't take.

Hopefully y'all will get the idea anyway.

Damnit.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman's Big Furry Butt Supports Perry's Drama For President at December 03, 2011 03:10 PM (5sjB7)

116 How could he not? He excels at debate and the Donald assures press coverage. But I also think either all or none of the candidates should participate (Paul and Huntsman excepted).

Posted by: real joe at December 03, 2011 03:10 PM (w7Lv+)

117
just a few guys in a raft

Posted by: USS Cole at December 03, 2011 03:11 PM (sqkOB)

118 Please enlighten me and tell me about this great threat that justifies this.

You have dishonored my daughter. For that, I must kill her.

Posted by: Honor Killings at December 03, 2011 03:11 PM (Qxe/p)

119 Trump may be self-serving and a rich showboater, but he's not stupid by any means. He knows what's at stake in the US just like the rest of us do, and he hates the SCOAMF. He's on our side. I think this will turn out to be more of a debate than any of the liberal moderated ones.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:12 PM (Fb/FO)

120 Practice Makes Perfect.

Posted by: Embassies of Kenya and Tanzania at December 03, 2011 03:12 PM (r2PLg)

121 Ron Paul reminds me of Wario

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 03, 2011 03:12 PM (EEs18)

122
The infighting here is terrible. Is it possible to like your guy without hating the other. Is is possible to skip the hyperbole completely, at least until we get to the general. You all know that Obama has the inside track on re-election and it will take a unified and motivated effort to defeat him.
Say what you will about Paul and Newt, but they are contenders in the Republican primary. I find both of them have appealing positions and both have drawbacks. If you think there is a perfect candidate, I beg to differ, politely, without trying to destroy character and name call.
As for Trump, I will say again, the debates this cycle and last have been full of gimmicks (snow man on you tube!) and biased moderators. I think Trump is just as legitimate as Iffel the Obama biographer, Scott Pelly,Blitz, or any of the other leftists that were put on stage to make all theRepublican candidates look bad. Trumpcan dono worse than any of those biased whores.

Posted by: California Red at December 03, 2011 03:12 PM (DXTKe)

123 Just nineteen guys with boxcutters.

No explosive boats either!

I think the lot of them have mad goat disease.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:12 PM (piMMO)

124 Legitimate Target.

Posted by: Khobar Towers at December 03, 2011 03:13 PM (r2PLg)

125 Ron Paul was also nixed by the Jewish Republican Coalition.
They hold their conventions in the same building used by the Patriotic Progressives for Capitalism.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:13 PM (TVvXc)

126 Maybe you should ask Leon Klinghoffer that question about muslims. Oh wait you can't. You see Leon was confined to a wheelchair and a couple members of the religion of peace rolled him off the deck of the cruise ship he was on.
Kind of hard to swim for an elderly man when you cant move your legs.

Posted by: GMB who has changed his mind and now hopes for a Perry comeback at December 03, 2011 03:13 PM (wY55N)

127 Imagine Ron Paul is president in 1939.



Does he lend/lease to the countries fighting Hitler, or does he sell to
both sides, to stay neutral? Or does he sell to no one, and let Europe
fall (after all, its their war)?



Then we get to fight Adolf when he decides HE's ready for us, and this time it's without allies.

The 'wait 'til they come here' isolationism is fucking insane.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:13 PM (MMC8r)

128 Will Trump's daughter be a card girl between rounds?

Posted by: Count de Monet, Master and Commander of His Domain, Minister Plenipotentiary at December 03, 2011 03:14 PM (4q5tP)

129 Boom, boom, out go the lights.....

Posted by: Pan Am Flight 103 at December 03, 2011 03:14 PM (r2PLg)

130 Opener.

Posted by: Marine Barracks Beirut at December 03, 2011 03:14 PM (r2PLg)

131 I see no difference between Trump and any of the other debate hosts.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 03, 2011 03:15 PM (i0App)

132
What a colorful response. Clearly you must know
something I don't. Please enlighten me and tell me about this great
threat that justifies this.Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:07 PM (WSj9U)

Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what Islam's goals are? Do you even know what's going on in the world?
Fucking suicidal idiots, no better then liberals. Liberals will risk people life's and get us killed under the guise of "equality" while you Ron Paul nuts will do it under the guise of "liberty and the constitution". Either way, people get killed.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (GZitp)

133 This is all just kabuki now anyway. Since MeggyMac indorsed Bachman there will be no stopping her.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (TVvXc)

134 Just a few guys in a movie theater....

Just a few guys in a schoolyard....

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (piMMO)

135 Andrew at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (WSj9U)

If you think 9-1-1 was only all about 1920 "guys" then you're either:

Not paying attention,
Haven't read the Koran,
Haven't listened/read militant muslims,
Haven't read history
Or just plain stupid.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend and fan of Adolf Hitler. Many other "princes" of Arabia were also. In fact most of the anger at the west by Muslims for the last 60 years is rooted in the belief that the west destroyed the Ottoman Empire. That it was in self defense doesn't count.

The Koran (with all of it's kuffar and jew hating passages) was written 1300 years ago.

Nothing Islam/Muslims have done since has disabused any sensible person that they're a peace loving people who are tolerant and respectful of others.

Your lack of knowledge of history just adds to the ridiculousness of those, like yourself, who apologize for Islam and blame everything other than Islam for Islam's repeated and continuous bloody assaults on the innocent.

P.S. they also murder a lot of fellow Muslims. What's the reasoning for that?

Posted by: Charter member in the effete corps of impudent snobs at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (xqpQL)

136 Just a few guys wearing masks.....

Posted by: Munich Olympics at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (r2PLg)

137 Yeah, like Cali Red just said, who are you guys to judge?

Posted by: Black September Olympic Murderers at December 03, 2011 03:17 PM (wPDH5)

138 Will Trump's daughter be a card girl between rounds?

That is one gorgeous girl.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:17 PM (piMMO)

139 Just a garden variety,mostly peacefuldomestic dispute ...

Posted by: 1972 Munich Olympics at December 03, 2011 03:17 PM (4q5tP)

140 Paul could have mentioned that showing up for Trump's debate would be the equivalent of the President of the United States going on a late-night talk show and pretending that he isn't wallowing in the gutter.

Posted by: Deathknyte at December 03, 2011 03:17 PM (OYjYl)

141 Hah! Trifecta

Posted by: 1972 Munich Olympics at December 03, 2011 03:17 PM (4q5tP)

142 Perry invited?

Posted by: I have no hope at December 03, 2011 03:18 PM (MbeEN)

143 Care to go for a swim, Mr. Zionist??

Posted by: Achille Lauro at December 03, 2011 03:18 PM (r2PLg)

144 Just a guy and his boyfriend in the trunk ofa car.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 03, 2011 03:19 PM (UKlME)

145 That's going to be...pathetic. With Newt it's always a matter of taking the good with the bad and more often than you'd like, the downright awful. Drew,

You assume without warrant that people will watch the debate.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (mIucK)

146 That Gingrich wasn't laughed out of the race within two days of filing the paperwork says something about the GOP. That he is currently the front runner for the nomination says something even more frightening. If it's a choice between Romney and Gingrich the GOP might as well draft John Boehner or Olympia Snowe.

Posted by: Stephen Macklin at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (2DT9L)

147
Paladine - "By yours and Dr. Paul's rationale, a few Japanese airplanes bombing Pearl Harbor would be no cause for alarm either."
At the time of Pearl Harbor in 1941 Imperial Japan had a population of nearly 75 million. It's military had about 6 million men, and its Navy was larger than ours.
So you're comparing a declaration of war and military strike from a large and powerfulsovereign nation with a band of 19 thugs acting completely on their ownwithout any state-level sponsorship whatsoever?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (WSj9U)

148 Just a few guys in a movie theater....Just a few guys in a schoolyard....
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:16 PM (piMMO)

And Ft. Hood. That was just one guy. ONE GUY!

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (Fb/FO)

149 'Allahu Ackbar' = 'Stewardess, can I have more peanuts?'

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (MMC8r)

150 If at first you don't succeed...

Posted by: First Bombing of World Trade Towers at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

151 I Laughed my head off!

Posted by: Daniel Pearl at December 03, 2011 03:20 PM (UM0f1)

152 Not a fan of libertarians, not a fan of Paul but I find it interesting that he's not invited to a debate because he hasn't sworn fealty to another nation. Now Im sure you kosher cons and Israel-Firsters think thats great but that policy should give you pause. Maybe one day you'll wake up and wonder why do we appease a segment of the US population that doesnt vote for the party thats alledged to be conservative and supplies much of the money and media cover for the party that most def. doesnt represent conservativsm of any kind?

Posted by: White RB at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (LrLv1)

153 So you're comparing a declaration of war and military strike from a
large and powerfulsovereign nation with a band of 19 thugs acting
completely on their ownwithout any state-level sponsorship whatsoever?

Ironically, Paultard, both attacks killed about the same number of people.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (MMC8r)

154 without any state-level sponsorship whatsoever?

Are you really that fucking stupid?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (GZitp)

155 19 thugs acting completely on their ownwithout any state-level sponsorship whatsoever?
Ahem.

Posted by: The Pakistani ISI at December 03, 2011 03:22 PM (g7D8V)

156 I remember how Trump was blasted forthe colorful language he used at that rally speech in Las Vegas. ....If he does this again, at this debate of his....the thing would go viral.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 03:22 PM (ZC1fT)

157
I'm kinda with DrewM on this one. This affair has a distinct flavor of Reality TV to it.

However, if The Combover is replaced by his smoking hot daughter, I may reconsider.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 03, 2011 03:22 PM (SgLsM)

158
Olympus Snowe gave this week's radio address.

Pretty good, really. She repeated "Fifteen Trillion dollars" in debt several times throughout the address.

Posted by: soothie at December 03, 2011 03:22 PM (sqkOB)

159 Is that really US territory?

How provincial!

Posted by: Bombing of US Embassy in Kuwait at December 03, 2011 03:23 PM (r2PLg)

160 Mommy and daddy didn't love me enough; so I went to Afghanistan to kill as many American infidels as I could.

Posted by: Johnny Walker Lindh at December 03, 2011 03:23 PM (r2PLg)

161
Death to America!

Posted by: Iranian crowds at December 03, 2011 03:23 PM (sqkOB)

162
Death to Israel!

Posted by: Iranian crowds at December 03, 2011 03:23 PM (sqkOB)

163 Houston turns it over on downs, down 21 in the 4th. Turn out the lights.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (GTbGH)

164 Why is it the 'blame Israel' crowd always shows up when Ron "Not an Anti-semite" Paul's name comes up?

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (MMC8r)

165 I can't get Beslan out of my mind.

What a bunch of fucking animals.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (piMMO)

166 The debate will take the form of a Bill O'Reilly interview. The moderator/interviewer monopolizes the conversation with his opinion,..... then remembers toask a question. It'll be all about The Donald.

Posted by: long toss at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (tvGav)

167 Presidents go on Leno now. The dignity of the office is a lost debate, so now we just gotta play it better than the Dems.

Posted by: Z MSM at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (U9NWP)

168 Just one guy on a motorbike.

Posted by: Bali Bombing at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (UM0f1)

169 Good Times.

Posted by: Bombing London Subways at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (r2PLg)

170 sock-off

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (U9NWP)

171 152
Not a fan of libertarians, not a fan of Paul but I find it interesting
that he's not invited to a debate because he hasn't sworn fealty to
another nation.

He wasn't invited?

I thought he was invited and (sensibly) declined.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (5H6zj)

172 I actually see good things in Ivanka's (sp?) future - perhaps political. She seems pretty sharp. I think she'll actually be an asset to us one day unlike her father.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (Gk2lv)

173 Because Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Qatar, Indonesia, etc. doesn't have a line item in their "official" budget they of course don't sponsor terrorism. Wouldn't think of it.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:25 PM (GZitp)

174 Muslim Detente.

Posted by: Madrid Bombings at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (r2PLg)

175 Trump lost all credibility with me when he chose Joan Rivers over Annie Whatshername. Trump is a joke, starting with his hair. Come on asshole, accept your mortality and get a normal haircut for a man your age.

Ron Paul and the Ronulans are correct in passing this one. Watch it be just Next and Trump. Nobody will watch it.

This could be the undoing of Newt.

Posted by: Jimbo at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (O3R/2)

176 I thought he was invited and (sensibly) declined.

Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (GTbGH)

177 Not a fan of libertarians, not a fan of Paul but I find it interesting that he's not invited to a debate because he hasn't sworn fealty to another nation. Now Im sure you kosher cons and Israel-Firsters think thats great but that policy should give you pause. Maybe one day you'll wake up and wonder why do we appease a segment of the US population that doesnt vote for the party thats alledged to be conservative and supplies much of the money and media cover for the party that most def. doesnt represent conservativsm of any kind?
Posted by: White RB at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (LrLv1)

Just don't like them Joooos, do you?

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (Fb/FO)

178 Israel is quietly and efficiently doing away with our Iranian nuke problem, which we decided not to take on ourselves. Damn right I like them.
I'd like to see them and India take on Pakistan.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (g7D8V)

179 152
Not a fan of libertarians, not a fan of Paul but I find it interesting
that he's not invited to a debate because he hasn't sworn fealty to
another nation.
He was invited, he declined.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (X6akg)

180 Can't be Trump's daughter. No combover.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:26 PM (MMC8r)

181 No, really, Ronulans, I'd like to know how Professor Science would have handled Hitler.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (MMC8r)

182 A just few....million guys.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (piMMO)

183 Misunderstood Muslim Shuffleboard

-Ron Paul!

Posted by: Achille Lauro at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (r2PLg)

184 We're going out on the town and we're gonna paint Tel Aviv red....

Posted by: Ahmadinejad at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (r2PLg)

185 Oh well, Houston was going to get rolled in whatever BCS bowl they wound up in anyway. I heard it was likely Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. The Hogs would have pummeled them.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (wPDH5)

186 Troll Andrew last seen leaping over a cliff into the ocean with his ass on fire. What a fucking douche.

Posted by: real joe at December 03, 2011 03:29 PM (w7Lv+)

187 This changes everything.
Not really, that was sarcasm.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (Mjrwx)

188 I just thought Chicago would look better in neon...

Posted by: Jose Padilla at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (r2PLg)

189 It's not over yet. The Cougars have 7 minutes to score 21 points. It could happen.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (GTbGH)

190 It's just several thousand rockets a year fired from the Pali territories into Israel. I'm sure we'd be cool with that if it were coming from Mexico.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (wPDH5)

191 Did you guys see this from Haley Barbour (interview with NYT, stolen from HA headlines)?


Q. Is it becoming clear that Mitt Romney will emerge as the Republican nominee?



A. “I don’t think it’s clear. I think people make the mistake of
writing off Rick Perry and believe he can’t come back. He’s got a
mountain to get over, but I don’t think it’s impossible. Both Newt and
Romney have a lot of support, but I don’t think it’s a two-man race. I
think Perry could get back in it with Gingrich and Romney. I can’t look
you in the eye and say nobody else can come up. You’ve got to learn your
lesson this year not to say that about anybody.”

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (5H6zj)

192
lowandslow - "Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what Islam's goals are? Do you even know what's going on in the world?"
I'd like to redirect that question back at you? Do you know what Islam is? Do you know what's going on in the world? You obviously think you do, but do you really?
How much time have you spent in the Middle East? I've spent a lot there myself. Can you speak Arabic? Have you ever read a newspaper in Arabic or watched Al Jazeera in Arabic to see what they're actually saying? I have. Have you served in the military, in combat in the ME? I have. I'm damn sure not a pacifist, and while I certainly don't claim to know everything, this is a subject I do happen to have just a slight bit of experience with.
You are incrediblyarrogant to assume you know everything and naive to automatically think that anybody who has a different opinion is stupid. Maybe there is good reason for their difference of opinion. Maybe they know something you don't. What's clear though is you have nointelligent reason for yours.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:32 PM (WSj9U)

193 @ White RB at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (LrLv1): It's called having alliances. Israel is one of many allies. If China and North Korea were giving South Korea nearly as much shit as Israel puts up with, you'd see support for Southh Korea being the same kind of issue. What I find interesting is that for whatever reason (gee, I just can't imagine why) some people like you are just disgusted with the thought of Israel as an ally. You're so fucking transparent.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 03, 2011 03:32 PM (xXhWA)

194 I just figured I could get a Nike endorsement.

Posted by: Richard Reid at December 03, 2011 03:32 PM (r2PLg)

195 I'm confursed. So Drew doesn't think it's proper for Trump to moderate a Presidential debate but it's okay for the candidates to go on talk shows with comedians, or worse yet The View, and be interviewed?

Posted by: Deanna at December 03, 2011 03:33 PM (iikgw)

196 Who has the bigger ego: Ron Paul or Donald Trump?

Posted by: SethPower at December 03, 2011 03:33 PM (e6MoS)

197 Just a couple of high spirited Lebanese Shi'a yutes. Just some good ol' boys, never meaning no harm. The tickelinggot outta hand, though.
1985 TWA #847

Posted by: Navy Diver Robert Stethem at December 03, 2011 03:33 PM (4q5tP)

198 I'm sure we'd be cool with that if it were coming from Mexico.
We could live with it.

Posted by: Jug Eared Administration at December 03, 2011 03:34 PM (UKlME)

199 Cougars have the ball back. They need some lightening in a bottle.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:34 PM (wPDH5)

200 It's just several thousand rockets a year fired from the Pali territories into Israel. I'm sure we'd be cool with that if it were coming from Mexico.
Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:31 PM (wPDH5)

There's still a year until the election. Give it time. We may have to find out.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:34 PM (Fb/FO)

201 Fightin' The Fruit of the Loom Hegemony!

Posted by: Underwear Bomber at December 03, 2011 03:35 PM (r2PLg)

202 They need some lightening in a bottle.

They need a time machine. It's over. Turned over on downs.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:35 PM (GTbGH)

203 What part about Trump says "moderator" to you, Deanna?

Trump has not, the last I heard, ruled out entering the race. He toyed with a candidacy and made a jackass of himself (and almost the GOP) in the process. His biggest claim to fame right now is a show in which minor celebrities vie for his approval. And he's made sure the candidates know that he'll be endorsing one of them after they kiss his ass for a couple of hours on the 'debate' he'll be 'moderating.'

I'm trying to remember the last time a moderator made it so patently clear that he was going to endorse right after he moderated a debate... not coming up with anything.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:36 PM (5H6zj)

204 Aaand there you have it. The BCS bowl, the Heisman, the whole enchilada up in flames. Damn.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:36 PM (wPDH5)

205 What's clear though is you have nointelligent reason for yours.

Preach it, Andrew.
There are no virgins left in the USA, because women drive cars!

Posted by: Saudi Legal System at December 03, 2011 03:36 PM (Qxe/p)

206 And, is Trump a Republican? He sure as heck has supported plenty of Democrats.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (5H6zj)

207 Question for the Paul fans:

Because Dr. Paul believes the US is responsible for all belligerent
nations and groups, what's the threshold of US deaths before military
action is required? How many terrorist attacks per year are acceptable to you? Round numbers are are ok.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (mIucK)

208 You are incrediblyarrogant to assume you know
everything and naive to automatically think that anybody who has a
different opinion is stupid. Maybe there is good reason for their
difference of opinion. Maybe they know something you don't. What's
clear though is you have nointelligent reason for yours.
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:32 PM (WSj9U)

If through all your interaction with Muslims, all the time spent in the Middle East and your in depth study of Islam you come to the conclusion it isn't a threat, you're a fucking idiot. That's not me being arrogant, that's the truth.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (GZitp)

209
...I think she'll actually be an asset to us one day unlike her father.


I agree. Her smarts contribute to the smoking hot factor.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (SgLsM)

210 @204
Yeah, I feel badly for the Cougars and Keenum. Still a great season.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (5H6zj)

211
Crazy Uncle Ron Paul is right.
Trump isa homo and a fool.

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at December 03, 2011 03:37 PM (Q4jrq)

212 Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:32 PM (WSj9U)

Your real name starts with mohammed, doesn't it? And you work for CAIR, don't you?

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:38 PM (Fb/FO)

213 And, is Trump a Republican?

I believe he is a megalopopulist.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 03, 2011 03:38 PM (SgLsM)

214
lowandslow - "Because Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Qatar, Indonesia, etc. doesn't have a line item in their "official" budget they of course don't sponsor terrorism. Wouldn't think of it"
Which of those countries have you been to? From your time there perhaps you can explain to me how the inner politics of any of these nations lines up with the "terrorists"? You are clueless. Tell me something, why would a monarchy or military dictatorship fund or sponsor a rogue organization whos stated goal is to overthrow/depose said regime? This would be like King George IIIsponsoring the Boston Tea Party. Does that makeany sense to you?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:39 PM (WSj9U)

215 And, is Trump a Republican?

He's a Trumpublican.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:39 PM (MMC8r)

216 Ron Paul's Statement “The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity."
Beneath the office of the presidency?Was Ron Paul effen asleepfrom 1992 to 2000??? Boxers or briefs ring a bell? Did he not live through The Great Stain Maker"?

Posted by: hounddog at December 03, 2011 03:39 PM (hVpWM)

217 I've never cared for Trump. He's what my mother always called a Wheeler Dealer.

She never used that as a compliment.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:40 PM (GTbGH)

218 Ron Paul doesn't belong at a Republican Debate because he is a LIB ER
TARIAN. Libertarians are NOT Republicans they are Libertarians.



Ronald Reagan won two landslides states without the support of the Libertarians. They hated Reagan.



Papa Bush won 40 states without the support of the Libertarians. The hated Papa Bush even more than they hated Reagan.



GW Bush won without the support of the Libertarians. And they Hated him
even more than they HATED his father. Ron Paul accused Bush of being
HITLER.



The Libertarians supported George McGovern who lost 49 states to Nixon and they helped Slick Willy win in 1992.



They are the worst thing that has ever happened to America but what do you expect from people who worship Ayn Rand?

Posted by: Carpenter at December 03, 2011 03:41 PM (19630)

219
I'm trying to remember the last time a moderator
made it so patently clear that he was going to endorse right after he
moderated a debate... not coming up with anything.


Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:36 PM (5H6zj)Inconsequential, but I always endorse before debates and have been chided for being biased. Nonsense.

Posted by: Bob Schieffer, CBS Liberal Toad at December 03, 2011 03:42 PM (Lt/Za)

220 203.....I'm trying to remember the last time a moderator made it so patently clear that he was going to endorse right after he moderated a debate... not coming up with anything.
I know, Y-not. ....It's all so very tacky. ....I am trying to embrace the suckitude of it all, though.
And thanks for that Haley Barbour quote. I hadn't seen that. ....It's encouraging. Because I remain steadfastlyfor Perry, and hope that he can make a comeback.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 03:43 PM (ZC1fT)

221 Andrew, you're a dolt.
Iran funds Hezbollah. It makes no bones about that.
The Pakistani ISI sponsors terrorism throughout the region. Indeed, one of our generals just said that the ISI was responsible for an attack on our embassy in Kabul where the ambassador had to retreat to a panic room for hours.
Bin Laden himself was living in a nice house a mile from the Pakistani West Point. You don't do that without ISI approval.
If your contempt for the US military runs so deep that you can't see these obvious connections, there's no point in even talking, because you're being disingenuous.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 03:44 PM (g7D8V)

222 Pick 6 Eagles 49-21

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:44 PM (GTbGH)

223 Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:39 PM (WSj9U)

I know who you are,Andrew, or I should say what you are. You need to give up and go back to the muzzie chat rooms or the kozkiddies.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:45 PM (Fb/FO)

224 Which of those countries have you been to? From your time there perhaps
you can explain to me how the inner politics of any of these nations
lines up with the "terrorists"?

Good fucking grief, are these Islamic nations or not? The simple fact that they are Islamic nations shows that their politics line up with the goals of Islamic terrorists. Unbelievable, you actual fucking think any of the leaders of any of these Islamic nations just leave their Islamic beliefs and goals of Islam aside for the betterment of the world?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:45 PM (GZitp)

225 Tell me something, why would a monarchy or military dictatorship fund or
sponsor a rogue organization whose stated goal is to overthrow/depose
said regime?





That strawman getting heavy?

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:46 PM (X6akg)

226 Andrew, you're a dolt.

You must now apologize to our friends, the Pakistanis, whom we will always support over America.


Posted by: Hamid Karzai at December 03, 2011 03:46 PM (Qxe/p)

227 O/T, but I was out during most of the Cain thing. Was there really something under a tarp at the presser or was that a Twitter joke?

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:46 PM (5H6zj)

228 Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:39 PM (WSj9U)



You're pretending Iran doesn't fund Hezbollah? You're pretending the ISI doesn't sponsor terrorism? And then calling other people clueless?





Yeah, you've clearly made good use of your time watching Al Jazeera in Arabic.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 03, 2011 03:47 PM (SLSkf)

229 There was a tarp but it's purpose didn't seem to be to unveil anything. It was just hanging in the background.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:48 PM (X6akg)

230 Yeah there was, Y-not. ....Dunno what it was, if they took the tarp off....I missed it.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 03:48 PM (ZC1fT)

231 Lemme just say I don't think Andrew's browsing the internet while having a BLT.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:48 PM (MMC8r)

232 Is Andrew attempting to argue that Muslims aren't a threat, or that their actions aren't sponsored by a particular country?

Posted by: Jug Eared Administration at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (UKlME)

233 why would a monarchy or military dictatorship fund or sponsor a rogue
organization whos stated goal is to overthrow/depose said regime?
It's a curious situation but they did exactly that. The House of Saud pretty much owes their kingdom to the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, founder of Wahhabism. And during the 60's Faisal protected radical immam's from the Pan-Arab Republic. These are the guys who taught Bin Laden and others the radicalization that plagues the world today.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (GTbGH)

234 Correct.

Ayn Rand hated Reagan. She campaigned against him and called him an "enemy of freedom". She also hated William F. Buckley.

Libertarians are ,,,,, different.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (z0HdK)

235
lowandslow - "If through all your interaction with Muslims, all the time spent in the Middle East and your in depth study of Islam you come to the conclusion it isn't a threat, you're a fucking idiot. That's not me being arrogant, that's the truth."
More colorful words that mean nothing. Look, this is the forum. I'm not sounding off just to hear myself. I mean is this site just a big circle jerk or is there actually some attempt at thinking and exchanging information?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (WSj9U)

236 I mean is this site just a big circle jerk or is there actually some attempt at thinking and exchanging information?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (WSj9U)
We do exchange recipes now and then....but mostly we circle jerk.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:52 PM (X6akg)

237 Scratch a Paulian and find a Truther. I expect if you keep pushing Andrew, who is blown away by the beauty and majesty of al Jazeera, you'll eventually discover that the CIA created al Qaeda and 9-11 was an inside job. I'd bet a fifth of Val-U-Rite on it.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 03:52 PM (g7D8V)

238 To tell the truth, we're not that picky about the circle part.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:52 PM (MMC8r)

239 but mostly we circle jerk.

It's a shared solo really, I'm not touching any of you guys' skanky junk.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:53 PM (GTbGH)

240 I'm not sounding off just to hear myself.

That's good to know.
I've been enjoying the comments -- rather instructive.
Too bad you're too fucking stupid to realize that good humor starts with fundamental truths.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 03:53 PM (Qxe/p)

241 Just a touch of vertigo. If I repeatthe phrase "Tawkalt ala Allah*"three times, just like Dorothy clicking the heels of the red slippers and saying, "there's no place like home," we'll all be fine.

EgyptAir Flight #990 Oct 31, 1999
* "I rely on God."

Posted by: Relief First Officer Gameel al-Batouti at December 03, 2011 03:53 PM (4q5tP)

242 And, is Trump a Republican? He sure as heck has supported plenty of Democrats.
I'm still highly suspicious of him being a sleeper agent.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 03:54 PM (piMMO)

243 mostly we circle jerk.

And host circular firing squads.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:54 PM (TVvXc)

244 3 WTF Drew?

You prefer some liberal shithead like Wolf Blitzer?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 03, 2011 02:21 PM (7+pP9)


Apparently, yes. This hand-wringing about Trump is puzzling. I think Trump will host the best debate we've seen so far. I think he'll ask better questions and stay away from the gotcha-traps that the liberal moderators seem to care about so much. But, Trump is a clown, or whatever. So, the debate will have to be an absolute embarrassment and failure just because a few people have their nose stuck in the air about Trump. And any candidate who shows up for the debate is a loser. So it's been decided....

Posted by: Joejm65 at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (UZuc4)

245 49-28 Final

Houston loses to their first ranked opponent of the year. And they thought they had a claim to be in the show. pshaw.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (GTbGH)

246 @ 237

You'll never find an easier way to score a fifth, sir.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (SAMxH)

247 Drew, just admit it, if Perry was the first one to announce he would go, you would by Hyping up Trump's debate like it was the only one that matters.
I'm guessing Rick Perry goes on the View and Ace and Drew will say it's a masterpiece of geniusness and we should all praise Perry for his courage.
And all you lemurs would start commenting how masculinely fine Perry is and how weak Newt and company are for not going on the view.

Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (gUGI6)

248 Tonight, on Donald Trump's 'Who Wants to Be A President?'!

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (MMC8r)

249 I mean is this site just a big circle jerk or is there actually some attempt at thinking and exchanging information?

You're the one crying because he got called on his bullshit "19 guys with box-cutters" drivel, fuckwit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (SLSkf)

250 These are the guys who taught Bin Laden and others
the radicalization that plagues the world today.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 03:50 PM (GTbGH)

It's not even radicalization, it's pretty much a straight interpretation and following of the Koran. Back fifty years ago when most Muslim dominated nations tried to westernize was when they were deviating from the doctrine of Islam. Thanks to guys like Sayyid Qutb they changed all that nonsense.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 03:56 PM (GZitp)

251 Ayn Rand hated Reagan. She campaigned against him and called him an "enemy of freedom". She also hated William F. Buckley.
Ayn Rand was a radical aetheist and that's why I think she hated Reagan.
Atlas Shrugs is a wonderful treatise on free-market capitalism, but it's one of the most God-less books I've ever read.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 03:56 PM (Fb/FO)

252 @246, I'm a ma'am, but yeah, I'll take that bet...

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 03:56 PM (g7D8V)

253 Perry is a fine figure of a man. Just sayin'.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 03:57 PM (GTbGH)

254 Drew, just admit it, if Perry was the first one to announce he would go,
you would by Hyping up Trump's debate like it was the only one that
matters.

No. He wouldn't. He'd write a bit more, but the summary of such a hypothetical post would be "headdesk".

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 03:57 PM (73tyQ)

255 Holy shit, Baylor up 14 on Texas already.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 03:57 PM (GTbGH)

256 Drew, just admit it, if Perry was the first one
to announce he would go, you would by Hyping up Trump's debate like it
was the only one that matters.
I'm guessing Rick Perry goes on the View and Ace and Drew will say
it's a masterpiece of geniusness and we should all praise Perry for his
courage.
And all you lemurs would start commenting how masculinely fine Perry
is and how weak Newt and company are for not going on the view.


Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 03:55 PM (gUGI6)
Drew is a Gingrich supporter.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:58 PM (X6akg)

257 If it's a circle jerk, anyone looking for Muslim sympathy is the pivot man.

Posted by: Jug Eared Administration at December 03, 2011 03:58 PM (UKlME)

258 Ayn Rand's fine in moderation. Kind of like Ron Paul. But don't lose your head, or your sense of smell.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:58 PM (MMC8r)

259 Drew, just admit it, if Perry was the first one to announce he would go,
you would by Hyping up Trump's debate like it was the only one that
matters.



I thought Drew had switched to Newt.




So you people really think that Trump won't have pre-determined whom he
was endorsing and treat that person accordingly at the "debate" he's
moderating? Is that it? You think he'll treat them all equally and not
soft-ball his pick? Then he'll decide afterward. Right.


Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (5H6zj)

260 Looks like Cain has chosen an endorsement.

"Cain Support Craters in Iowa"--headline, TheHill.com, Dec.2

I'd have gone with Volcanoes but still either choice is probably better than Newt or Mitt.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (TVvXc)

261 Drew is a Gingrich supporter.

Therefore, Drew is a Perry supporter.
Hide and watch.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (Qxe/p)

262 It's a shared solo really, I'm not touching any of you guys' skanky junk.
Like a Double Dutch Rider?

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (wPDH5)

263 260
Looks like Cain has chosen an endorsement.

"Cain Support Craters in Iowa"--headline, TheHill.com, Dec.2

I'd have gone with Volcanoes but still either choice is probably better than Newt or Mitt.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (TVvXc)
Clever, I like it.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:00 PM (73tyQ)

264 Yes..... what went on at Cains presser. Anything good happen?

Posted by: R Budd Dwyer at December 03, 2011 04:00 PM (jucos)

265 Therefore, Drew is a Perry supporter.Hide and watch.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 03:59 PM (Qxe/p)
Apparently, you don't read his twitter feed. He blasts Perry every change he gets.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:00 PM (X6akg)

266 Posted by: R Budd Dwyer

ISWYDTAILOL

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:00 PM (GTbGH)

267 Still waiting to hear what was under the tarp if anyone knows.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (5H6zj)

268 If a candidate thinks it's that easy, to duck a debate, just because of the moderator, then Newt wins.

Anyone, who doesn't debate, looks like a clown.

I've had it, up to my eyeballs with Ron Paul, anyway.

Good Riddance.

Posted by: franksalterego at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (9XykO)

269 Yes..... what went on at Cains presser. Anything good happen?

He quit. That's good.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (MMC8r)

270 *chance he gets

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (X6akg)

271 Well, Newt already sat on the couch, so how bad could it be with The Donald?

Posted by: Hidajunshin at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (MVVJU)

272 267
Still waiting to hear what was under the tarp if anyone knows.


Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:01 PM (5H6zj)
My answer at 229:There was a tarp but it's purpose didn't seem to be to unveil anything. It was just hanging in the background.


Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 03:48 PM (X6akg)

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:02 PM (X6akg)

273 I mean is this site just a big circle jerk or is there actually some
attempt at thinking and exchanging information?

What information are you sharing? "Just nineteen guys with boxcutters" and "I've been to the middle east so I know what Muslims think"? That's not information, we on the other hand listed the results of believing in Islamic goodwill, a lot of dead people, information you chose to ignore.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 04:03 PM (GZitp)

274 Still waiting to hear what was under the tarp if anyone knows.

His balls.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:03 PM (MMC8r)

275 Tami, it is very obvious who drew and the staff are supporting, and it's in this order:
Perry, Romney, Huntsman, Bachman .... and whoever threatens Perry the most (assuming it's not Romney) comes in last.
Ask them when Cain had his surge and Newt would have been their third choice, now that he is the threat, he becomes HQ's target enemy number 1.

Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 04:03 PM (gUGI6)

276 Apparently, you don't read his twitter feed. He blasts Perry every change he gets.

No, you're right.
What I meant was that Newt's "I'm ready to take the heat" moment was a subtle invitation for a VP.

Unlike some, I'm not too concerned about who the winner would be in a debate between Perry and Biden. I think Perry could get Biden to suggest dividing Texas up into provinces.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 04:04 PM (Qxe/p)

277 There was a tarp but it's purpose didn't seem to be to unveil anything. It was just hanging in the background.

Either that or they were afraid to lift it for fear it would scare the children and the horses.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2011 04:04 PM (TVvXc)

278 Egypt- Salafis demand sharia





“I want to say: citizenship restricted by Islamic Shariah, freedom
restricted by Islamic Shariah, equality restricted by Islamic Shariah. Shariah is obligatory, not just the
principles — freedom and justice and all that.”

They came in second during the first round of elections.

Posted by: Miss'80s at December 03, 2011 04:04 PM (d6QMz)

279 Tami, it is very obvious who drew and the staff are supporting, and it's in this order:

Perry, Romney, Huntsman, Bachman .... and whoever threatens Perry the most (assuming it's not Romney) comes in last.

Doug is a very astute reader of this blog!

Keep up the good work, Doug!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 03, 2011 04:04 PM (Gk2lv)

280 @ 252

My apologies. Visibility sucks on the internet.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2011 04:05 PM (SAMxH)

281 Bottom line is, RonPaul doesn't want to get into a debate with Trump on Foreign Policy in general, and China in particular.

Trump would eat him alive.

Posted by: franksalterego at December 03, 2011 04:05 PM (9XykO)

282 Not for nothing, but I just saw that Mitt Romney has called for Eric Holder's resignation, per the Daily Caller. Of course they emphasize how much he "dodged" calling for it earlier. I'm sure this somehow exposes Romney as the demon-spawn of George Soros (like everything else does) but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Link in name.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2011 04:05 PM (Qjh0I)

283 Tami, it is very obvious who drew and the staff are supporting, and it's in this order:

Ace is out? Ace is out?


Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:05 PM (X6akg)

284 206
And, is Trump a Republican? He sure as heck has supported plenty of Democrats.

He is a businessman in NY. You are going to have the grease the Dems to get anywhere.

Posted by: real joe at December 03, 2011 04:06 PM (w7Lv+)

285 Yeah Lowandslow. The muslims mean us no harm.

Posted by: A Jew in Cairo at December 03, 2011 04:06 PM (jucos)

286 Of course they emphasize how much he "dodged" calling for it earlier.

That could have gone without saying. Romney has been playing frontrunner this whole campaign season, which means, don't go out on a limb.

He may have to change that soon.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:07 PM (GTbGH)

287 Not for nothing, but I just saw that Mitt Romney has called for Eric Holder's resignation, per the Daily Caller.

Great news. I see Mitt's leading the pack again, as usual!

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 04:08 PM (Qxe/p)

288
Do you really believe Herman Cain is the type to get greedy with free money?

No way. Herman has his flaws but he's not a greedy bastard and he's not the type drink from the government teet.

Herb is in for the attention.

And for the pussy.

Not the money.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 03, 2011 04:08 PM (sqkOB)

289 Who knew there were Republican Jews?

They've got some sense.

They liken inviting Nor Luap to their debate would be like inviting Obama!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah you Paulbots; he's so smart and electable and really, really champions that ole constitution doncha know.

/sarc (did I really have to?)

Posted by: Charter member in the effete corps of impudent snobs at December 03, 2011 04:08 PM (xqpQL)

290 Headlines on the right side of the page say Obama's going to take another 2-week vacation to Hawaii in the middle of the month to play a lot of golf.
Wonderful news! When he's on vacation, he's not working to destroy the country. I'm hoping in a little more than a year he can go on vacation full time. In the meantime, he should play as much golf as possible.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 04:09 PM (g7D8V)

291 Who knew there were Republican Jews?

I figured they could all meet in a booth at Denny's.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:09 PM (GTbGH)

292 Newt would have been their third choice, now that he is the threat, he becomes HQ's target enemy number 1.

Well, there went that argument. I'm here every day and I see Newt getting a fair shake, maybe fairer than he deserves.

We also didn't roll over and squeal with butt hurt when our boy Perry imploded, unlike many of the Nistas, virtually all of the Paulbots, and now apparently a goodly number of Cainiacs.

We hated Perry blowing it, that's true, but we dealt with it and moved on. We want to win, doug. What you said is just factually incorrect.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 04:10 PM (wPDH5)

293
Ace is out? Ace is out?
There is no 'Ace' at Drew of Spades.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:10 PM (MMC8r)

294
toby928 - "It's a curious situation but they did exactly that. The House of Saud pretty much owes their kingdom to the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, founder of Wahhabism. And during the 60's Faisal protected radical immam's from the Pan-Arab Republic. These are the guys who taught Bin Laden and others the radicalization that plagues the world today."
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab died in 1792. Modern terrorism didn't come into existence until really 1968. The hijacking of an El Al flightis considered the start of it. Unless we're speaking outside the Islamic context, in which case the KKK and a long list of non-Muslims could be brought up well before this time.
If the House of Saud owes their kingdom to anybody it's Great Britain. After the Ottomon Empire collapsed that area basically came under British control, which they immediately handed to King Abdul-Aziz, their ally in the region. Since that time the House of Saud has been supported in one way or another by the Brits or USA, especially after the oil was found.
What I will agree with you on though, although you didn't explicitly make this point, is that Wahhabism is a central part of the House of Saud's power and control. Comparable to how Catholocism or Protestantism has been abused as a state religion in times of old the House of Saud does essentially the same thing. Ditto for Iran, and others. But this too is one of the biggest things driving most of these "terrorist" groups who regard the House of Saud as an Islamic perversion.
Now there are some exceptions when it comes to Israel, and that's even more reason why context is soimportant. Too often a threat to Israel is falsely categorized as a threat to the USA.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:10 PM (WSj9U)

295 Business Insider reported on Nov 22nd Perry and Huntsman demanding
Holder's resignation -- and I'm pretty sure they were not the first to
do so.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:11 PM (5H6zj)

296 Isn't amazing how supporters of every candidate see how much Ace is in the tank for every other candidate?

Almost...delusional.

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:12 PM (MMC8r)

297
Would Newt being the candidate be enough to overcome antipathy about voting in general, do you suppose?

I look at Romney's purported support, and wonder how badly, if at all, the voter turn out would suffer with him. Low turnout would be a disaster down ticket.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 03, 2011 04:13 PM (SAMxH)

298 "wonder why do we appease a segment of the US population that doesnt vote for the party thats alledged to be conservative and supplies much of the money and media cover for the party that most def. doesnt represent conservativsm of any kind?"

Posted by: White RB at December 03, 2011 03:21 PM (LrLv1)

Because Israel is a sovereign state who is a treaty bound ally?
Because it's the right thing to do?
Because Israel isn't the progressive democrat voting jewish block in this country? In fact THEY hate (or don't care) Israel almost as much as Nor Luap?

Pick any you choose.

Posted by: Charter member in the effete corps of impudent snobs at December 03, 2011 04:13 PM (xqpQL)

299 GOP Jews = Neo Con Men - Sons of Leo Strauss.

Kristol, Horowitz, Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, etc.

(I strongly oppose Ron Paul, fwiw)

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:13 PM (z0HdK)

300 292 - Newt's fair shake is only being had from a handful of commenters. The posts are all about nitpicking him apart to discourage support.

Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 04:14 PM (gUGI6)

301 "Isn't amazing how supporters of every candidate see how much Ace is in the tank for every other candidate?"

Ah, the plot is working.

Posted by: sly sneaky behind the scenes assitant ace at December 03, 2011 04:15 PM (xqpQL)

302 Not to mention that Romney was OBVIOUSLY behind Cain staying in the race (until Cain left the race when it became just as OBVIOUS that he did so to serve Romney). The RDS is palpable,

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2011 04:15 PM (Qjh0I)

303 That giant sucking sound you hear is Ron Paul.

Posted by: SethPower at December 03, 2011 04:17 PM (e6MoS)

304
Now there are some exceptions when it comes to Israel, and that's
even more reason why context is soimportant. Too often a threat to
Israel is falsely categorized as a threat to the USA.

Do you have an example of this? In the parlance of the Iranian Islamists, for example, Israel is the "Little Satan". Care to guess who the "Big Satan" is?

I'd say pretty much we have the same enemies as the Israelis.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2011 04:17 PM (UR5vq)

305 New thread?

Please and thanks.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 03, 2011 04:17 PM (Gk2lv)

306 Hell of a pass/catch by Georgia.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2011 04:17 PM (Qjh0I)

307 OT/ Bomb Patrol: Afghanistan on G4. Pretty good stuff as military doc/reality shows go. Can be some pretty compelling footage

Possibly not Tami's cup of tea, or Jane D'oh if she's still lurking.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 03, 2011 04:17 PM (HBqDo)

308 DrewM retweeted this:


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Other thing that grabs my attention in IA is Perry appears to be in double digits, much better than he's been doing elsewhere

This comports with what I was observing here in Iowa. Perry is a ridiculously good retail campaigner, national polls are lagging indicators and the national media tends to be binary in its focus (this is endemic to the way media functions, regardless of bias).

Perry is very likely to place second in Iowa. (Unfortunately, I think Ron Paul will be in at least the top four. He has a lot of money to spend and people who don't like the top tier candidates tend to see in him what they want to see or regard him as an acceptable protest vote.) Maybe Romney will get enough votes to do well, maybe Newt's support will put him first, but the big story will be "Perry's comeback".

If this happens, look for his numbers to skyrocket in SC. As to the grouchy NH voters, it's hard to tell. They tend to be a bit cranky in who they pick.

Perry is not perfect, but there is no reason for him to be so low in the polls.


Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:18 PM (73tyQ)

309 Comparable to how Catholocism or Protestantism has been abused as a
state religion in times of old the House of Saud does essentially the
same thing. Ditto for Iran, and others. But this too is one of the
biggest things driving most of these "terrorist" groups who regard the
House of Saud as an Islamic perversion.

Islam has been abused as a state religion? How?

Now there are some
exceptions when it comes to Israel, and that's even more reason why
context is soimportant. Too often a threat to Israel is falsely
categorized as a threat to the USA.

Who is claiming the Islamic threat to just Israel is a threat to us? We're claiming that Islamic terrorism on us and advancement of Islam in general is a threat to us. Why did you even bring Israel up? We didn't.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 04:18 PM (GZitp)

310 Do we know where the $9 million Cain raised last month went? Did it go to his campaign or a PAC? And if the former can he spend it helping another candidate?

He's damaged goods right now - and not technically out of the race - so he can't really endorse anyone at the moment. I assume he will in a couple of months.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:19 PM (5H6zj)

311 Abd al-Aziz ibn Saud took control of the Arabian Penninsula with the aid of the Ikhwan. Strict Wahhabists, the Ikhwan were the AQ of their day. After he took Mecca and Mediana, Saud was barely able to prevent the Ikhwan from destroying the tomb of Mohammed because they thought it was idolatry.

He ended up having to destroy the Ikhwan, with the approval of the ulama, which had to bribe with vast power within his realm.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:19 PM (GTbGH)

312 What I meant was that Newt's "I'm ready to take the heat" moment was a subtle invitation for a VP.

Well, he seems to be running for VP. He promised to follow Obama to every stop, refuting what he said. You know who does that kind of thing? The VP nominee.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:21 PM (73tyQ)

313 Thx, AmishDude.

I'm really curious why Perry is trying in New Hampshire. Being the eternal optimist, I hope it's a sign that they have their own polling that indicates there's some sort of chance to place decently there.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:21 PM (5H6zj)

314
205 - "Preach it, Andrew. There are no virgins left in the USA, because women drive cars!"
It really cracks me up how guys like you make my point for me.
Are we at war with Saudi Arabia - the ME country where women can't drive? No. We defend and support (financially and militarily) the brutal regime that rules Saudi Arabia. On the other hand go to Lebanon, the home of Hizballah, and few women even wear Abayas.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:21 PM (WSj9U)

315 If Perry comes in second in Iowa, I will be shocked. He refused the Cornbrero.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:22 PM (GTbGH)

316
Our harmonious relationship with the Muslims has been on-going for many years. The few times we've had disagreements, it has been discussed with an honorable conclusion reached by both parties. All of that with the exception of the few hundred men, women, and children killed in the name of Islam.

Posted by: Coptic Christians at December 03, 2011 04:22 PM (Lt/Za)

317 @304
It's never good for us if an ally is threatened/attacked, imho. I think Israel's national security interests do overlap ours.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:23 PM (5H6zj)

318 Anyone who can't see that assisting the defense of Israel is a moral imperative and a legal obligation plus a matter of self interest should not be in consideration as the President of the United States.

If the attempt was made tomorrow to overwhelm Israel and the US stood by and did nothing, what do you think would be her attackers' next move?

If you think they would become peaceful, productive world citizens, you're living in a dream world. Wake up.

Anyone who thinks that criminals or terrorists can be reasoned with or placated or bought off has never met one.

They are psychologically defective. Sociopaths at best, psychopaths at worst. They feel no remorse no pity no sympathy no empathy. They only see what they want and if the path to what they want is over your dead body they have no problem arranging that. If you give into them you gain nothing not even much time. The time you may gain will be full of fear, loathing and pain until your usefulness expires as you will soon after.

Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up, grow up and face the reality of the world.

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:23 PM (xqpQL)

319 Until people read Ron Paul's publications, claiming to know his positions or to speak for him is stupid at best.

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 04:23 PM (lpWVn)

320 Until people read Ron Paul's publications, claiming to know his positions or to speak for him is stupid at best.

True that. I just ignore him and avoid the hassle.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (GTbGH)

321 The reason Perry has to try in New Hampshire, is that their polling likely indicates a 4th place or worse showing in Iowa. They need to take at least 3rd place in NH after that or they won't even tickle the guage in SC or Florida.
If they felt they could take 1st or 2nd in Iowa then they would ignore NH and just spend the organizationin SC and FL.

Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (gUGI6)

322 319
Until people read Ron Paul's publications, claiming to know his positions or to speak for him is stupid at best.

The guy has a voting record. I think we have plenty to judge Paul on aside from his publications.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (5H6zj)

323 Next time around we should arrange every one of our own debates and tell these lefty fucks to take their debates and flush them down the shitter.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (6H6FZ)

324 Are we at war with Saudi Arabia - the ME country where women can't drive? No. We defend and support (financially and militarily) the brutal regime that rules Saudi Arabia. On the other hand go to Lebanon, the home of Hizballah, and few women even wear Abayas.
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:21 PM (WSj9U)

I guess when the rest of the ME is under the iron dictatorship of sharia, we know where the next "arab spring" is going to be.
BTW. What spices do you like on pork roast?

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:26 PM (Fb/FO)

325 I'm really curious why Perry is trying in New
Hampshire. Being the eternal optimist, I hope it's a sign that they
have their own polling that indicates there's some sort of chance to
place decently there.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:21 PM (5H6zj)
NH is funny. They often like to spite Iowa and rarely go with Iowa's winner. At this point, Perry just has to come back. Strong showings are sufficient.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:26 PM (73tyQ)

326 Next time around

I swear we said that last time, and the time before.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:26 PM (GTbGH)

327 319
Until people read Ron Paul's publications,
claiming to know his positions or to speak for him is stupid at best.


Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 04:23 PM
(lpWVn)

You Paul guys really know how to woo voters.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 04:26 PM (GZitp)

328 308....Perry is very likely to place second in Iowa.
That would be great. I know he has been doing a lot of retail campaigning there, but since he has been so vocally against ethanol subsidies....I've thought it would be a miracle if he does well in IA.
I hope he does okay at the Huckleberry forum tonight. ....Huckabee doesn't seem to like Perry for some reason, so it will be interesting to see if Perry gets some torpedoes.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 03, 2011 04:26 PM (ZC1fT)

329 As I said, I oppose Ron Paul due to his insane views on the Federal Reserve.

Any modern economy needs a central bank and some OB/GYN is not qualified to refute such.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:27 PM (z0HdK)

330 @325
So Iowa is a caucus, right? And as I understand it those are sort of interesting beasts.

What about NH? Is that just a straight up vote?

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:27 PM (5H6zj)

331 I think we have plenty to judge Paul on aside from his publications.
Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (5H6zj)
Not to mention his early 90s statements that read like an introduction in the Turner Diaries.

Posted by: CAC at December 03, 2011 04:27 PM (azMbz)

332 @319, by his fans shall ye know him.
Paul's fans are for the most part anti-Semitic isolationist truthers. No thanks. If I wanted to blame America first, I'd be a democrat.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 04:28 PM (g7D8V)

333 If they felt they could take 1st or 2nd in Iowa then they would ignore NH and just spend the organizationin SC and FL.

Posted by: doug at December 03, 2011 04:25 PM (gUGI6)
Entirely reasonable. You have to remember, though, that the landscape changes entirely after Iowa and a good campaign has to anticipate that old assumptions may not hold.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:28 PM (73tyQ)

334 I never thought Panetta was a stupid man. I stand corrected

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 03, 2011 04:28 PM (CSwaT)

335 Newt almost has to keep it an air game.

He might not have the troops or the funds for the ground game.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:29 PM (r2PLg)

336 If the Palis put down their weapons tomorrow they'd soon have their own state.

If Israel put down its weapons it would soon be destroyed by hate-filled, anti-Semitic, psychopathic Muslim terrorists.

Posted by: Through the Looking Glass at December 03, 2011 04:29 PM (wPDH5)

337 330
@325
So Iowa is a caucus, right? And as I understand it those are sort of interesting beasts.

What about NH? Is that just a straight up vote?


Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:27 PM (5H6zj)
Iowa is a closed caucus, New Hampshire is an open primary.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:29 PM (73tyQ)

338 Georgia up three on LSU. Plus, they got a turnover and are driving.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:29 PM (5H6zj)

339 NH-not as straight up....

it's open.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:30 PM (r2PLg)

340 Ron Paul and his supporters were responsible for 9/11.

Posted by: SethPower at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (e6MoS)

341 UGA can play with LSU.

They need +2 in turnovers to win though.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (z0HdK)

342 OK. Open primary. I'm not even sure who that helps -- I suppose Romney if he really is the candidate who appeals to Indies.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (5H6zj)

343 Egypt Brotherhood says won't impose Islamic values
Deputy head of Brotherhood's new political party says, 'We want to apply the basics of Shariah law in a fair way that respects human rights.'

And I promise not to cum in your mouth either

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (CSwaT)

344 AmishDude

I think you are correct about the "unfortunately" finish in Iowa.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (r2PLg)

345 Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:10 PM (WSj9U)

I blame Rita Hayworth.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (piMMO)

346 Until people read Ron Paul's publications, claiming to know his positions or to speak for him is stupid at best.

Does that include his old whacko-fringe racist newsletters?

Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (MMC8r)

347 Why not Trump?

It's not as though the newsies that run debates are dignified! At least with Trump there's no illusions. And Trump is likely to ask questions that will actually help people decide between the candidates, don't you think?

Posted by: Synova at December 03, 2011 04:33 PM (P0X9Q)

348 Let me explain the caucus dynamic: You actually have to go to a caucus at a specific time on a cold January 3 evening. You have to listen to people supporting each candidate. Often times people bring their kids. Then, ballots are distributed and there is a secret ballot in which the totals are announced. (Democrats don't have a secret ballot.)

Then, they elect various party functionaries like delegates to the state convention, etc.

It's a whole evening of work, not just 15 minutes of casting a ballot. That's why an army on the ground is important. Get out the vote is much more effective for a caucus.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2011 04:33 PM (73tyQ)

349 If they felt they could take 1st or 2nd in Iowa then they would ignore NH and just spend the organizationin SC and FL.

SC has open primaries, right?

Viva la rEVOLution!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 04:33 PM (piMMO)

350 Dropped TD Pass!

Fuck!

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:33 PM (z0HdK)

351 Does that include his old whacko-fringe racist newsletters?
Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (MMC8r)
Deep down, the dedicated Paulians really see nothing wrong with them.
Hell they probably would have voted for Wallace in 1968.

Posted by: CAC at December 03, 2011 04:33 PM (azMbz)

352 Des Moines Register comes out at 7pm EST with the results of their supposedly much followed poll.

It's the one that they teased yesterday-with the Herman Cain results.

Herman had fallen from 25% or thereabouts to 8%.

The poll also has a rolling three day average.

On one of the days Herman hit 4%.

The poll supposedly has a 4.9% MOE and some 6% MOE for the rolling average.... IIRC.

So I don't really get why on The Five they said that the poll is well followed.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:35 PM (r2PLg)

353 SC has open primaries, right?

Yes-a commenter here-lady in Black had to tell me that one.

with? I never knew that....

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:36 PM (r2PLg)

354 Egypt Brotherhood says won't impose Islamic values Deputy head of Brotherhood's new political party says, 'We want to apply the basics of Shariah law in a fair way that respects human rights.' And I promise not to cum in your mouth either
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 03, 2011 04:31 PM (CSwaT)

Unless you're one of those pesky, trouble-making Christians. But we'll give them a fair choice. Leave or die....but mostly die.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:36 PM (Fb/FO)

355 Palis will never put down their weapons until they have been beaten so badly that they are psychologically unable to continue. (i.e. almost wiped out).

The people known as the palestinians aka philistines have been a thorn in the side of peace in the ME for over 4,000 years. Why does anyone think they'll change that attitude now?

They came out of the sea and immediately become a source of conflict for Egypt and Israel.

They may as well be demons as their motivations are obscure or non existent and their undying desire to fight and kill anyone and everyone has never abated (except by the Romans because they killed them in large numbers and killed them whenever they tried anything and Rome stationed legions in Palestine to control them)

Their like Fire Ants. There's no living with them.

It's kill or be killed. Sad to talk like that but those are the realities.

Find just ONE instance where the Palis have kept an agreement or lived in peace with any people on the planet except by threat of force.

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:36 PM (xqpQL)

356 @347
Why not Trump?

Aside from the other reasons mentioned above, because the last I read (last week, iirc), he had not ruled out a third party run.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:37 PM (5H6zj)

357 @343 Of course we support the Muslim Brotherhood. They help us follow the way of Allah, who is apparently such a stupid deity that he built us wrong. Therefore, when we are old enough, our relatives hold us down and slice off our clitorides and labia and tie our legs together so the festering wound can heal. Yay! Allah's mistake is easily fixed. Only rarely do our husbands have to use knives to open the scars on our wedding night.

Posted by: 97% of Egyptian women at December 03, 2011 04:37 PM (g7D8V)

358 Find just ONE instance where the Palis have kept an agreement or lived in peace with any people on the planet except by threat of force.
Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:36 PM (xqpQL)

I'll have to get back to you on that one

Posted by: Google Search Engine at December 03, 2011 04:39 PM (CSwaT)

359 Completely O/T: which moron is the league manager for FFL? I have a question but I don't know how to email him. I think his handle is "Joe" or "JediJoe."

My team is the VerdantWolverines, if you're reading this and could email me.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:40 PM (5H6zj)

360 In Ron Paul's defense, I think when he abandoned all support of Israel, turned his back on a friendly nation, and invited drug cartels to open business in the USA, he wouldn't lie about it like what's going on now.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 03, 2011 04:40 PM (Qxe/p)

361 Beneath the Office of the President?

Not by much.

When the Office stops getting populated by clowns like Ebola and Carter, then we can talk about what is beneath the Office.

Every campaign is one long reality show with as much reality as they can manufacture.

Posted by: eman at December 03, 2011 04:41 PM (tOywJ)

362
Paladine - "Iran funds Hezbollah. It makes no bones about that.The Pakistani ISI sponsors terrorism throughout the region. Indeed, one of our generals just said that the ISI was responsible for an attack on our embassy in Kabul where the ambassador had to retreat to a panic room for hours.Bin Laden himself was living in a nice house a mile from the Pakistani West Point. You don't do that without ISI approval.If your contempt for the US military runs so deep that you can't see these obvious connections, there's no point in even talking, because you're being disingenuous."
Iran funds Hizballah, gee,what a news flash. Would you like to see pictures from south Beirut of Hizballah flags flying side-by-side with Iranian flags? Or how about pictures honoring their martyrs on light posts in their neighborhoods? Or how about some of their "death to Israel" propaganda? Got plenty of pics I can show you.
BTW, I have a friend that was held up at the embassy during the seige you speak of. Another friend that was at the hospital when all those med students got killed across the street. Sleeping in a tent on a base very close to ISAF last year I had a rocket land 50 yards from me. Want to hear some more stories?
You say these things to me like I actually haven't been there and seen it for myself. Specifically what point are you trying to argue right now, because your points are all over the board and disconnected.
Iran sponsors Hizballah, ok, what does that have to do with any of our current wars or Ron Paul's statements regarding homeland threats?
Pakistan sponsors terrorism? You know, wasn't Ron Paul saying just that in one of the recent debates? lol
Really, what are you arguing right now? Our original topic was the basic points of Ron Paul's position, namely 1) threat exists but blown way out of proportion, and 2) the threat is POLITICAL, not religous. You have not said anything that refutes these two points in any way.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:41 PM (WSj9U)

363 THAT'S a defense?

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:42 PM (xqpQL)

364 359
Completely O/T: which moron is the league manager for FFL? I have a
question but I don't know how to email him. I think his handle is "Joe"
or "JediJoe."

I thought it was CDR M?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2011 04:42 PM (UR5vq)

365 The families of the two suspects denied the two committed the Itamar massacre.
Nawef Awad claimed that her son Hakim Mazen Awad, 18, was at home the night of the murders and never left the house.
The family of Amjad Mahmad Awad, 19 also claimed that he was in the village at the time of the event.
Just a couple of good boys, Honor Roll students really, Math Club and Debate Team leaders, who just happen to like knives and ironically have fathers and uncles involved in the PFLP.
Sweet boys. Wouldn't hurt a fly.

Posted by: The Fogel family, asleep in their beds in Itamar, West Bank, unavailable for comment at December 03, 2011 04:43 PM (4q5tP)

366 Ron Paul is NOT a liar for sure.

He is merely an idiot.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:43 PM (z0HdK)

367 Muzzies <3 Ron Paul!

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:44 PM (Fb/FO)

368
Hamid Karzai poster - "You must now apologize to our friends, the Pakistanis, whom we will always support over America."
Exactly my point! LOL! But Paul isa 'tard' for pointing out stupid this is?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:44 PM (WSj9U)

369 BTW, I have a friend that was held up at the embassy during the seige you speak of. Another friend that was at the hospital when all those med students got killed across the street. Sleeping in a tent on a base very close to ISAF last year I had a rocket land 50 yards from me. Want to hear some more stories?

Your the same guy that claims to be a "spec war" vet right?

Guess what-it's unprovable on the internet -therefore near irrelevant.

Try -again-to stand on your ideas.

The fact that you fell the need to -again-do that illustrates that at the heart of it all-you know your position is _______.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:45 PM (r2PLg)

370 Do you know how to email him, Kratos? I can't find the widget at the league site and I never know the Ace/co-bloggers' email addresses.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:45 PM (5H6zj)

371 *You're * the same guy....

Something about you causes me to lose my grammar.

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:46 PM (r2PLg)

372 Islam is religion and politics.

It's not just a career; it's a way of life death.

Blown way out of proportion?

Ok, now I get it. This is a joke right? Your just trolling for dollars or something, right?

I mean, no one could be THAT stupid? Could they?

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:46 PM (xqpQL)

373 2) the threat is POLITICAL, not religous. You have not said anything that refutes these two points in any way.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 04:41 PM (WSj9U)


Explain to me how Muslims separate politics from religion?
Show your work.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:46 PM (X6akg)

374 Andrew, you said Islamofascist states don't support terrorism because they would in effect be lobbying for their own overthrow. I gave you two obvious examples of state-sponsored Islamofascist terrorism and you agreed with me. It is you who are confused, as most Paulbots are. Go get your fucking shinebox.
Let's just get it out there, instead of all the pussy-footing around. Did the US create al Qaeda? Was 9-11 an inside job?

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 04:46 PM (g7D8V)

375 Wanna tell me which Special Ops unit you were with?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:47 PM (r2PLg)

376 370
Do you know how to email him, Kratos? I can't find the widget at the
league site and I never know the Ace/co-bloggers' email addresses.

Yes I do. Would you like me to pass on a message to him?

It might be better if I pass you his e-mail address through nfl dot com - whichever is your preference.

IIRC, he's on Battlewatch today, so it may be a bit before he gets back to you.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2011 04:48 PM (UR5vq)

377 Old saying:

Guys that talk about it the most-did the least....

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 04:49 PM (r2PLg)

378 It might be better if I pass you his e-mail address through nfl dot com - whichever is your preference.
Sure. If you can send me a message at the VerdantWolverines and/or ask him to contact me, that'd be great. I have a question about waiver moves. It's slightly time-sensitive.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:50 PM (5H6zj)

379 Explain to me how Muslims separate politics from religion?
Show your work.
Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 04:46 PM (X6akg)

Bravo, Tami. Good point. What say, Andrew? I don't care how much you try to do it, you can't.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:50 PM (Fb/FO)

380 Iran sponsors Hizballah, ok, what does that have to do with any of
our current wars or Ron Paul's statements regarding homeland threats?
So Hizballah agents are making their own little networks in Latin America and infiltrating into the US via Mexico (thanks to Venezuela) as part of "peaceful" outreach?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2011 04:51 PM (UR5vq)

381 What's the color of the boathouse at Hereford?

Posted by: Vote for me I'll set you Free! at December 03, 2011 04:51 PM (xqpQL)

382 Fire has never melted stupid.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna and Ringtailed Lemur at December 03, 2011 04:51 PM (GTbGH)

383 Anyone who thinks that criminals or terrorists can be reasoned with or placated or bought off has never met one. @ 318
That's rich considering it's been the US Saudi policy, and is the neoconservative grounds for nation building. Case in point? Take your pick. Afghanistan. Iraq. Egypt. Admit the fiasco of Karzai's government. And more to the point, provide your source where Ron Paul ever said that criminals or terrorists can be reasoned with or placated or bought off.

The US Dollar is bankrupt. Rescinding US foreign aid across the board while America rebuilds our own economy and infrastructure is logical. Rescinding the congressional authority allowing the Federal Reserve to print fiat paper dollars in order to raise US taxes in order to bail-out global fraud is logical, especially while rebuilding our economy.

Ron Paul never said that he'd refuse a military alliance with Israel, or refuse to assist Israel if in its maintenance of peaceful relations, Israel were militarily attacked without provocation. Finally, I have yet to come across Ron Paul ever denying America our right to defend our Constitutional Republic and our land and people, our Liberty and prosperity. Neoconservatives want to advance the right to aggression beyond the rational realm, economically and militarily, denying rule of law. And if given free reign, neoconservatives would perpetuate global warfare until entire populations around the globe are annihilated for being backwards. The sovereign nation would no longer exist, either, particularly in America.

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 04:52 PM (lpWVn)

384 Israel were militarily attacked without provocation.

Isn't that pretty much a weekly occurrence?

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 04:55 PM (GTbGH)

385 Nevermind, kratos, I finally figured out how to email him!

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:55 PM (5H6zj)

386 BTW, Georgia is coming out strong against LSU.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 04:55 PM (GTbGH)

387 385
Nevermind, kratos, I finally figured out how to email him!

Okay, good!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 03, 2011 04:56 PM (UR5vq)

388 And if given free reign, neoconservatives would perpetuate global warfare until entire populations around the globe are annihilated for being backwards. The sovereign nation would no longer exist, either, particularly in America.
Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 04:52 PM (lpWVn)

Why don't you just write it. You mean the "Jooooos" don't you?

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:56 PM (Fb/FO)

389 Wait, I just realized that the continued existence of Israel is, itself, a provocation.

Never mind.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 04:57 PM (GTbGH)

390 Muslims cannot "separate".

The first line of the new Iraqi Constitution is "No law may contradict Sharia".

That is what we fought for.

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:57 PM (z0HdK)

391 Ron Paul never said that he'd refuse a military alliance with Israel, or
refuse to assist Israel if in its maintenance of peaceful relations,
Israel were militarily attacked without provocation.

Oh for christ sake, Paul thinks 9/11 was the result of our provocation what makes you think he will ever believe Israel didn't provoke an attack?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 04:58 PM (GZitp)

392 UGA touchdown!

Posted by: Buck Hayek at December 03, 2011 04:58 PM (z0HdK)

393 TD Georgia!

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 04:59 PM (5H6zj)

394 GA goes up 10-0 on LSU. Les looks ... perplexed. Although it's hard to tell.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 04:59 PM (GTbGH)

395 they are now....... 10-zip

Posted by: Racefan at December 03, 2011 04:59 PM (vG6qV)

396 It'd be kind of fun to have an upset.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 05:00 PM (5H6zj)

397 Do you know how to email him, Kratos? I can't find the widget at the
league site and I never know the Ace/co-bloggers' email addresses.
I'll post it over at the NFL site so that it isn't out in never-neverland.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:00 PM (piMMO)

398 Nevermind, kratos, I finally figured out how to email him!

Okay. You're good. I won't post it at the FF site.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:01 PM (piMMO)

399
"Do you have an example of this? In the parlance of the Iranian Islamists, for example, Israel is the "Little Satan". Care to guess who the "Big Satan" is? I'd say pretty much we have the same enemies as the Israelis. "
Well you're pointing out one such example yourself. How is Iran a threat to the USA? I'm talking meaningful threat here... what can they actually do to us physically? All they can do is bark. The smallest dogs are always the loudest.
Also, why are we the "big" satan? Because Israel = USA over there. Why is that so hard to understand?And when it comes to Iran, Israel is just for the papers, it's the PR campaign. Our real issues with Iran are two empires knocking heads. Take Qatar. Qatar's wealth comes from it's natural gas fields, fields that it shares with Iran, that Iran wants full control of. And if you look at a map of the fields, just based on geography, the Iranians have a much stronger claim to the fields than Qatar. But Qatar has laid claim on thebulk of them, our Navy in Bahraindefends Qatar, and Exxon makes the LNG.
Issues like this x1000 are why the Iranians make waves with us. Now that's not to say we shouldn't defend Qatar, exert our influence, etc., but simply to make the point that America isn't "satan" because it's a free country or because we're predominately Christian or anything of the like.
Do you understand the difference? It's much easier to get onboard with a moral vs. political crusade. So the politicians say Iran hates us because we're free. No, they hate us because of very specific things we're involved with in their part of the world. If you say/admit that though, the next rationale question is - is it worth it? Is using our Navy Army Air Force (Naval base in Bahrain, Army Air Force bases in Qatar) worth the benefit? Is there a benefit at all? Is it a tangible benefit we can count or purely academic speculation... some politicans personal poly sci theory that being involved is somehow good.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:02 PM (WSj9U)

400 Newt on Trump debate: "How could you turn down the Donald? ... I would want to go just for the entertainment value."

At least it's not sponsored by, or being held in a forum provided by, leftist media.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KXXIv)

401 I'll give Andrew one thing: At least he isn't writing AOS movie reviews.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:04 PM (piMMO)

402 How is Iran a threat to the USA? I'm talking meaningful threat here...
I don't think we've met...

Posted by: EMP attack at December 03, 2011 05:05 PM (g7D8V)

403 "And all you lemurs"

We have huge eyes and cute tails?

Huh.

Posted by: Dianna at December 03, 2011 05:05 PM (mKMj1)

404 Oh, Newt....
Well, I guess I could argue that this shows that you are open minded to the extraordinaryor I could just facepalm myself to death.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 03, 2011 05:06 PM (97AKa)

405 Ron Paul never said that he'd refuse a military alliance with Israel, or
refuse to assist Israel if in its maintenance of peaceful relations,
Israel were militarily attacked without provocation.Oh
for christ sake, Paul thinks 9/11 was the result of our provocation what
makes you think he will ever believe Israel didn't provoke an attack?

One thing he did say at one of the recent debates, when asked whether the US would allow Israel to defend itself against Iran, was along the lines of "Allow? We need to get out of their way."

I thought he kind of had a point there.


{{ooouuuuch}}

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:07 PM (piMMO)

406 Our real issues with Iran are two empires knocking heads.

Yeah because when the Iranian people take to the streets shouting "Death to America" it's because of Qatar's natural gas production and a few U.S. military bases. Sure it is.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 05:12 PM (GZitp)

407 If you say/admit that though, the next rationale question is - is it worth it? Is using our Navy Army Air Force (Naval base in Bahrain, Army Air Force bases in Qatar) worth the benefit? Is there a benefit at all? Is it a tangible benefit we can count or purely academic speculation... some politicans personal poly sci theory that being involved is somehow good.
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:02 PM (WSj9U)
You've sold me. Obviously, the USA just likes to swing its big manhood around for no tangible benefit.

Posted by: Abundant and Cheap Energy that powers the first world nations, enabling dicks like Andrew to post cr at December 03, 2011 05:12 PM (4q5tP)

408
lowandslow = "Islam has been abused as a state religion? How?"
Are you kidding, name a country with a monarchy. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, they all do it. King (or Emir) is the grand pubah. He appoints various "islamic" imams/judges that are the effective legal system. They do what he says, but they do so in the name of Islam. How it actually plays out depends on the king. Some are more benevolent than others. How is this any different than the Church of England in Great Britainor Catholocism of old in places like France?
Take Saudi Arabia and it's law about women driving. They do this with an "islamic" justification, yet show me another Muslim country with that same law? This law has nada to do with islam and everything to do with the misogyny of King Abdullah, who we wholeheartedly support.
"Who is claiming the Islamic threat to just Israel is a threat to us? We're claiming that Islamic terrorism on us and advancement of Islam in general is a threat to us. Why did you even bring Israel up? We didn't."
Paladine brought up Israel by going into the whole state-sponsorship of terrorism. The historical example he gave of terrorism starting up in the 60's was related to Israel specifically.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:15 PM (WSj9U)

409 One thing he did say at one of the recent debates, when asked whether
the US would allow Israel to defend itself against Iran, was along the
lines of "Allow? We need to get out of their way."I thought he
kind of had a point there.

That's nice line but if Paul had his way we would never do anything to help them, ever. Iran could nuke Israel and and it would just be an Israeli problem. We'll just stay out of it, wouldn't want to invite any further provocations.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 05:15 PM (GZitp)

410 Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:15 PM (WSj9U)

Nice rant but you didn't answer the question you just listed how they follow Islam, not abuse it.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 05:18 PM (GZitp)

411
Our real issues with Iran are two empires knocking heads.

See, this is one of the things that make me so made at our political establishment. Iran is not a great power. Obama had that right when he said that Iran is a little country. Their tyranny exists because we let it. Iran can't even refine enough gasoline to run their cars. They exist by our sufferance, and I think we have suffered enough thank you very much.

Knock out all their power plants, declare a blockade, seize their oil and wealth everywhere within out reach, air drop weapons into the countryside for anyone who wants to make trouble.

We need not every set a boot on their dirt to reduce them to irrelevancy.

They've given plenty enough casus belli to do any and all of these.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 05:19 PM (GTbGH)

412 Andrew, did the CIA create al Qaeda? Was 9-11 an inside job?

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 05:20 PM (g7D8V)

413 LSU may need to bring Lee in.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 05:23 PM (GTbGH)

414 Andrew, you dolt, you brought up state sponsorship of Islamofascist terrorism by saying it doesn't occur because Isalmoafscist countries won't subsidize groups undermining them. Start with your post 147.
This is why people don't like debating Paulbots. They'll do anything necessary to win.
Once again, did the CIA create al Qaeda? Was 9-11 an inside job?

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 05:23 PM (g7D8V)

415
"I guess when the rest of the ME is under the iron dictatorship of sharia, we know where the next "arab spring" is going to be."
So if you had been a peon living under one of these despots, no problem? I am really lost on all the anti-Arab-Spring commentary.You say things like this implying that we either can or should do something to stop it...? What do you propose?
And again, what does this have to do with the USA? Not saying I agree with you, but even if I did, what does this have to do with the USA? How is this a threat to us?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:23 PM (WSj9U)

416 "I guess when the rest of the ME is under the iron dictatorship of sharia, we know where the next "arab spring" is going to be."
Can't they just be, as someone here once suggested, under an iron plate?

An iron plate that is bolted the the bedrock.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:27 PM (piMMO)

417 TD LSU

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 05:29 PM (GTbGH)

418 That's nice line but if Paul had his way we would never do anything to
help them, ever. Iran could nuke Israel and and it would just be an
Israeli problem. We'll just stay out of it, wouldn't want to invite any
further provocations.

I agree and it was painful to even acknowledge he had a point. The point I'm taking is the whole SCOAMF trying to tell the Israelis how the hell to run their country.

We need to stop telling them to shut up and eat shit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:29 PM (piMMO)

419 Take Saudi Arabia and it's law about women driving. They do this with an "islamic" justification, yet show me another Muslim country with that same law? This law has nada to do with islam and everything to do with the misogyny of King Abdullah, who we wholeheartedly support.

So Muslim misogyny only exists in Saudi Arabia?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 05:30 PM (r2PLg)

420
365, What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The subject is threats to the USA, not Israel. You're bringing up an incident that is the result of Israel's settlement building...? Hey, what about the million people genocided in Rhwanda? You know, the Christians doing all the killing? Or we could discuss the Muslims giving them shelter during that atrocity. How is it any less relevant than what you brought up?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:31 PM (WSj9U)

421 Saudi Breast Milk Kinship
In order to reduce the difficulties of strict sex segregation in modern [Saudi] life, some clerics issued a fatwaencouraging women to provide breast milk to any man with whom she comes into regular contact. ... Breast milk kinship is indeed considered to be as good as a blood relationship in Islam and this way, for example foreign drivers can mix freely with all members of the family without breaking the Islamic rule which does not allow mixing of genders. Another cleric disagreed, saying the man should take the milk straight from her breast.
The "breast milk" fatwa became a rallying point for right-to-drive activists. They have threatened to start breastfeeding professional drivers, so that they can travel without violating segregation laws: "We either be allowed to drive or breastfeed foreigners."

brb, gotta start packing and check to make sure my passport is up to date.

Posted by: Free The Boobies!! at December 03, 2011 05:31 PM (4q5tP)

422 LSU may need to bring Lee in.

I don't know why. He didn't do us any good way back when.

Posted by: The Confederacy at December 03, 2011 05:33 PM (piMMO)

423 And actually specifically you are wrong.

When the Taliban ruled in Afghanistan-could women drive?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 05:33 PM (r2PLg)

424 And again, what does this have to do with the USA? Not saying I agree
with you, but even if I did, what does this have to do with the USA?
How is this a threat to us?

Because Islam is a threat to us, how many times does it have to be said? I'm not some neo-conservative or liberal pushing the fucking notion that Muslims just want democracy and a western form of representation. If Islam just wanted to live in their part of the world and not bother anyone, I would care less what they do. But that's not what Muslims want now is it? Even the ones living here aren't about "live and let live", it's about Islam dominating the world, something their fucking teachings instruct them to do. To pretend the reasons for Islamic conflict is merely politics and exploiting resources borders on the insane.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 05:33 PM (GZitp)

425 18 I think the zionist-puppets-in-waiting debate that the republican jewish coalition banned he good doctor from is more noteworthy:infowars.com/republican -jewish-coalition-bars- ron-paul-from-debate- hes-misguided-and-extreme/They fear him for a reason, the usurers can't afford to have the golem collapse in on them before the necessary global governance architecture is needed to replace it is ready. Ron Paul 2012:no bribesno bailoutsno wars for israelAMERICA BITCHES!!!!
Posted by: Baron hater Von Anti-semite at December 03, 2011 02:30 PM (Nadh0)
Are we at the point where we're mocking Newt supporters a Crazy-Only-True-Conservative?
Let me guess: Romney! because you're not a crazy purist? Or Perry or your a nut!
Fuck off.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:35 PM (U9NWP)

426 "I guess when the rest of the ME is under the iron dictatorship of sharia, we know where the next "arab spring" is going to be."Can't they just be, as someone here once suggested, under an iron plate?An iron plate that is bolted the the bedrock.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2011 05:27 PM (piMMO)
Don't forget the layer of glowingglass.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 05:35 PM (4q5tP)

427 Actually, I'm second guessing the Romney! or Perry! guess. Probably Obama! am I right?

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:35 PM (U9NWP)

428 I'm extremely skeptical of Perry, but he was very good on Leno.

He doesn't have much time left. Hopefully he is hitting the briefing books hard so he can convey competence in debates.

Problem is the media will shut him out. Cain dropping out helps in that regard.

Not sure what he can do to gain traction in Iowa.


Posted by: Jose at December 03, 2011 05:36 PM (srIqv)

429 You think multiple wars, thousands of troops and perhaps as many as a million civilians dead, many trillions of dollars in debt, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, TSA, yada, yada, is a level-headed response to 19 guys with boxcutters? Think about that, 19 guys with boxcutters.



Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 02:52 PM (WSj9U)
Yup, when those 19 guys died in airplanes, the entire international terror network backing them died. Right? Fuck yourself, you might learn something. Nothing else taught you.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:38 PM (U9NWP)

430 Are you not entertained?!

Newtonius Gingrichius

Seriously, though, the only way this hurts Newt is if he says something really stupid, like any other debate or speech. If few other candidates appear, it will look lame and no one will pay attention except the few in attendance...net result is like a regular campaign stop in some town. If several candidates appear, it gets more attention and is another debate/discussion (his mostly agreed to strength) for Newt to shine compared to his competitors. He's got nothing to lose.

Posted by: Grimaldi at December 03, 2011 05:42 PM (rWwnY)

431 Seriously, though, the only way this hurts Newt is if he says something really stupid, like any other debate or speech.

Except that Trump isn't likely to STHU just because Gingrich becomes aggressive. Trump could well make Newt look like an ass, not because of his lack of knowledge, but because of his fragile ego.

I could easily see Trump going in for the kill.

Posted by: The Confederacy at December 03, 2011 05:44 PM (piMMO)

432 @430
Yeah, it doesn't 'hurt' Newt, per se, but I don't think it helps him. Especially if Trump endorses Newt. It makes the whole thing pretty transparent.

What the other candidates should do is agree on another forum - maybe just something along the lines of that Reagan dinner where each speaks for 10-12 minutes - and do that opposite the Trump thing. That would hurt Newt, imho. If Newt is just hanging out with The Donald and the others are at a meaningful event with a chance to meet voters, Newt would look silly.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 05:46 PM (5H6zj)

433 164 Why is it the 'blame Israel' crowd always shows up when Ron "Not an Anti-semite" Paul's name comes up?
Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:24 PM (MMC8r)
lol
By my post, you can watch me working my way through the comments.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:46 PM (U9NWP)

434 I could easily see Trump going in for the kill.

But, honestly, there's no way that Trump hasn't telegraphed his support to the candidate he plans to endorse. We know that the one who will get his endorsement will show up at the event. Paul and Huntsman will not. Newt has already said yes -- does that mean he's Trump's guy?

I can't see a Newt vs Romney one on one debate (Mitt has already turned that down).

Not sure I'm seeing where Perry is Trump's man, although I suppose he could be.

So Perry, Paul, Huntsman, Santorum, and Bachmann should pre-emptively announce they've agreed to a joint event. Force Mitt's hand. If Mitt goes to the Trump thing, we'll know why. And eitehr way we get teh Mitt vs Newt one on one we want.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 05:49 PM (5H6zj)

435
"Andrew, you said Islamofascist states don't support terrorism because they would in effect be lobbying for their own overthrow. I gave you two obvious examples of state-sponsored Islamofascist terrorism and you agreed with me. It is you who are confused, as most Paulbots are. Go get your fucking shinebox. Let's just get it out there, instead of all the pussy-footing around. Did the US create al Qaeda? Was 9-11 an inside job?"
You really aren't very bright. I didn't say there has never been any state-sponsored terrorism. Where did I say that? What is the subject right now? What are we talking about? I thought we were talking about Ron Paul's position that 1) terrorist threat to the USA is blown out of proportion and 2) it is political, not religious in nature. You keep dancing but refuse to stay on task.
Which organization is considered the threat to the USA? You know, the one behind 9/11? Al Qaeda right? It is not state sponsored.
I know it's complicated by try to keep up. Al Qaeda is not the same thing and Hizballah. In fact, they don't even like each other. Nor is Hamas affiliated with Al Qaeda, nor is the Muslim Brotherhood. These are all different groups with different goals.
But again, how are ANY of them a threat to the USA?
And no, I'm not a truther, birther, or anything of the like. I'm a combat vet andfind such an accusation a bit offensive, even via the internet. I guess it's easier for you to debate the person than the subjectthough.Did the USA create Al Qaeda? Not to my knowledge, lol. I can see how some would argue that, because of the link between the Taliban and Bin Laden. Reagan did support the Taliban during the Soviet's occupation, that's well-documented historical fact. Al Qaeda came into existence much later though. It's principle target being the House of Saud. You do know that Al Qaeda doesn't really have anything to do with the Taliban right? Yes, they had some camps in Afghanistan, but that doesn't really mean much. It's a very large lawless land. They didn't really know what Al Qaeda was up to, didn't care. They don't even speak the same language. You could talk with an Afghan just as easily as the Arabs that formed and comprise Al Qaeda.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:49 PM (WSj9U)

436 Have you ever read a newspaper in Arabic or watched Al Jazeera in Arabic to see what they're actually saying? I have.
-Andrew
Don't believe the West! The translations are all wrong! They're just supporting the Gold Standard!
I think Andrew would gleefully watch, chanting Allah Ackbar while American burns.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:49 PM (U9NWP)

437 I like the jib of this Paul supporter's jab.

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at December 03, 2011 05:49 PM (r2PLg)

438 That first line at 434 shoudl be in italics or quotes.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 05:50 PM (5H6zj)

439 Peace in our time....

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at December 03, 2011 05:51 PM (r2PLg)

440 Have you ever read a newspaper in Arabic or watched Al Jazeera in Arabic to see what they're actually saying? I have.
Andrew, I hope you don't have any anti-Hitler stances unless of course you SPEAK GERMAN. So you can hear his speaches in his own words.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:52 PM (U9NWP)

441 231 Lemme just say I don't think Andrew's browsing the internet while having a BLT.
Posted by: nickless at December 03, 2011 03:48 PM (MMC8r)
Ah, then I wasn't the only one who figured it. I love catching up after I post.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 05:54 PM (U9NWP)

442
tasker, area knowledge is pretty relevant. How can oneclaim an Islamic threat when they've never spent any time in the Islamic world or around Muslims?
And again, we're talking about Ron Paul's position that 1) a threat exists but is blown way out of proportion and 2) the threat is political, not religious in nature.
From my first-hand experience, true, and true. And in a battle between first-hand knowledge and people reading tripe on the internet, ground experience wins. The internet is awesome, but it's a bit crazy how everybody is an expert on everything these days.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 05:55 PM (WSj9U)

443 I agree, if the other candidates have a separate event at the same time as Trump's, it would be in Newt's best interest to be there instead. I don't see the other candidates coordinating such a thing, though, so Newt may as well go to Trump's event.

If Trump goes after Newt, I think Newt has the knowledge and calm to come out on top and make Trump look like a fool. Trump may not walk away thinking that, but most people watching will, and Newt will get some good campaign clips out of it. Trump's endorsement, in the big scheme of things, is meaningless. Few people trust him anymore, but no one will hold it against Gingrich if he gets it.

Posted by: Grimaldi at December 03, 2011 05:55 PM (rWwnY)

444 This morning I had another talk with the Iranian President, Ahmadinejad. We regard the Western-Islamic Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at December 03, 2011 05:57 PM (r2PLg)

445 You've convinced me Andrew. Islam is glorious and blameless. America is an evil empire that goes to war to subjugate people for no good reason.
Ron Paul, 2012...for President of this terrible country.

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 05:58 PM (g7D8V)

446 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at December 03, 2011 05:58 PM (7WJOC)

447 Andrew

Is Indonesia peaceful?

Why or why not?

Posted by: tasker at December 03, 2011 06:00 PM (r2PLg)

448 The internet is awesome, but it's a bit crazy how everybody is an expert on everything these days.

Irony, it's like silvery, only rust colored.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 06:03 PM (GTbGH)

449 The subject is threats to the USA, not Israel. You're bringing up an incident that is the result of Israel's settlement building...? muzzies' inability to livein peaceandnot butcher and blow upcivilized peoples.
FIFY.
That mentality is a direct threat to me and mine. Parents who swear to Allah on a stack of Korans that little Amjad and Hakim were reading bedtime stories to their younger siblings.
The Foleys were "others" to the Pali muzzies, not worthy of life. I and my kin are"others" to that same murderous, bloodthirsty religion.
It's not just 19 guys with boxcutters, it's the whole bunch who follow the sayings of the child rapist. It is an existential threat to our way of life.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 06:06 PM (4q5tP)

450 Now that I'm a Paulian, we'll withdraw all troops from around the world. We'll reject our allies, and just worry about what happens in the good (oops, sorry, forgot we were evil, make that the bad) old USA.
The Chinese won't withdraw from the rest of the world. Nor will the Russians. But that's for them, not us. They'll soon learn from our enlightened example and not interfere in the rest of the world. There's simply no way that they'll take advantage of the vacuum we've left behind to cause trouble throughout the world.
We'll have peace in our time, I tell you! This is gonna be GREAT!
Pass the bong, Gary...

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 06:06 PM (g7D8V)

451
"Oh for christ sake, Paul thinks 9/11 was the result of our provocation what makes you think he will ever believe Israel didn't provoke an attack?"
No, no, no!!! That is not his position at all. Provocation would be backing a cat into a corner, you know, likeFDR's oil embargo on Japan before WW2. That's a provocation.
Paul's position is no different than what was concluded by the 9/11 Commission Report and many other govt documents. The same stuff stated by Michael Scheuer, who was the head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit from 9/11 through 2004. He wrote a whole damn book about it. In simple poly sci lingo it's called blowback.
Not a provocation. Not a blame. Just an observation of Al Qaeda's motivation.
If you want to go out and have a picknic say you put your blanket down and start getting attacked by ants. You're overrun. It's time to make a decision. Stay or go. Paul says getting bit by the ants isn't worth picknicing on that particular hill, go somewhere else. You say, screw the ants, I'm staying damnit.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:07 PM (WSj9U)

452 My main worries are - as you say - that Trump will make this about Trump rather than about the candidates and that the candidates will fight over Trump's zipper. I also agree that this is a very voluntary debate - Paul is in his rights to refuse tickets to the circus.

But that doesn't mean I oppose the point of the thing. I mean, we let Gwen Ifill moderate McCain - Obama. How many morons here then went Libertarian or sat out the election as a result?

I'd only exclude from consideration the candidates who show up and then suck up to Trump (or whine to Trump, like Romney whined against Perry).

Posted by: Zimriel at December 03, 2011 06:10 PM (6GvAC)

453 I'll bet Andrew likes to go into grade schools and tell the K - 2 grades that there is no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 06:14 PM (4q5tP)

454
"Knock out all their power plants, declare a blockade, seize their oil and wealth everywhere within out reach, air drop weapons into the countryside for anyone who wants to make trouble."
Haha. I actually agree with you to a large extent here. I think we should calculate the total cost of the Iraq war in cash, debt, economic impact, etc., multiply that by two or three, and take that much in oil 100% for free, and the profits all go to pay off the national debt. I'd do the same damn thing in Libya, but times 100 for them because they were like a penny stock. If we were the British or French empire that's exactly what we'd do.
That's all pie in the sky nonsense though. Will never happen. And that's exactly why I agree with Paul. We have to be realistic about our political system. One guy starts an adventurist war that he has no time to finish? No clear justification to begin with?Constitutionally Congress is supposed to be the sole war authority, and this is why. It shouldn't be one man's decision toentagle our whole country.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:18 PM (WSj9U)

455 I just don't see the value to anyone - other than the candidate Trump is planning on endorsing - of subjecting themselves to questions from an egomaniac who has not ruled out a third party run (as of last week) and who based his potential candidacy on resurrecting the birth certificate stuff.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2011 06:18 PM (5H6zj)

456 Santa Claus is an imperialist, overflying all the sovereign countries of the world without permission. He probably works for the CIA--why else would NORAD track him?
The tooth fairy's been suspect since he went off the gold standard.

Posted by: Palandine the Paulian at December 03, 2011 06:20 PM (g7D8V)

457 451 [9/11 as provocation] is not his [Paul's] position at all. Provocation would be
backing a cat into a corner, you know, likeFDR's oil embargo on Japan
before WW2. That's a provocation.

Given Japan's bid to become master of the "east Asia co-prosperity sphere", it was within America's interests to provoke Japan. I would argue that South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines have done better as American protectorates than they did as Japanese subjects - or, for that matter and potentially, as Chinese imperial provinces. The world at large is better off for it.

(Although a historical case can be made that America was incompetent to manage Vietnam and Cambodia in such a way. Also, I wonder if FDR might have been better advised to sell off Mindanao to the Japs; ditto, Chamberlain / Churchill with the Malays.)

Posted by: Zimriel at December 03, 2011 06:23 PM (6GvAC)

458 Adventurist war! No time to finish!

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 06:23 PM (U9NWP)

459
"So Muslim misogyny only exists in Saudi Arabia?"
No, but you're changing the subject. He asked, I answered, stay on task and don't turn it into something else.
1) Threat to USA out of proportion, 2) Threat is political, not religious.
Not here to discuss the misogyny of Islam. Not here to convert people to Islam. That has nothing to do with the current subject. There is plenty of domestic violence right here in the USA to be concerned with. I truly couldn't give a rats ass whether women are allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia or not. Just as an aside though, what I can tell you from personal experienceis many of those women who can't drive get chauffeured around in Range Rovers literally like queens, even with little Indonesian slaves to carry their purse and open the door for them. Not to dismiss the treatment of women in Islam, but not everything is how you're imagining it to be.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:28 PM (WSj9U)

460 Nah, come to think of it... the Japanese weren't interested in low-grade colonialism. They didn't start with Mindanao and Aceh. They started with Korea and China. They were going to exterminate the Chinese and replace them; and then they were going to make themselves masters in the Pacific and force Californians to pay tribute.

There's no defence for the Paulian / Buchananite wish for President Lindbergh and a peaceful world under international fascism.

I believe it's shinebox time for our friend here.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 03, 2011 06:29 PM (6GvAC)

461
"Because Islam is a threat to us, how many times does it have to be said? If Islam just wanted to live in their part of the world and not bother anyone, I would care less what they do. But that's not what Muslims want now is it?"
Really? Ok, tell me how they're not minding their own business? What are they doing to meddle with the USA? How are Muslims are large threatening us?


Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:31 PM (WSj9U)

462 One thing about Paulians, they're tendentious. Last man to post, wins.

Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at December 03, 2011 06:32 PM (GTbGH)

463 Oh, and TD LSU

Posted by: toby928©: Poluting your thread with football at December 03, 2011 06:32 PM (GTbGH)

464 That's right, imperialist! Getting my external genitalia sliced off with a jagged piece of glass and held closed with thorns until the scar formed was the best thing that ever happened to me. How dare you say your culture is superior?! They treat me like a queen, a queen whose testimony is worth half that of a man.Allahu Akbar!

Posted by: Aisha the Paulian at December 03, 2011 06:32 PM (g7D8V)

465 Threat is political, not religious.



Again with that?



Ok, then I'll ask again....explain how Muslims separate religion from politics.

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2011 06:32 PM (X6akg)

466 One guy starts an adventurist war that he has no time to finish? No clear justification to begin with?Constitutionally Congress is supposed to be the sole war authority, and this is why. It shouldn't be one man's decision toentagle our whole country.
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:18 PM (WSj9U)
Say, didn't Congress authorize our little adventure into Afghanistan to oust the Taliban,bring down Al Qaeda and kill/capture Bin Laden? The latter two being responsible for 9-11? Didn't Congress fund it?
Is that enough clear justification for you?
It wasn't one man'sdecision to start an adventurist war, like some whimsical Tom Sawyer tale on the Mississippi.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 06:34 PM (4q5tP)

467 What are they doing to meddle with the USA?

I have this book you might want to leaf through. . .

Posted by: Allah at December 03, 2011 06:34 PM (6GvAC)

468
Don't argue with Paultards, they have zero personality.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at December 03, 2011 06:36 PM (BNQmS)

469 Isn't debating on Trump's show a step up from debating on MSNBC?

Posted by: Dave at December 03, 2011 06:40 PM (3f5JE)

470 What's the difference between Trump and.....
A bunch of liberal demcong activists (Brian Williams, Scott Pelley, Blitzer, etc.) moderating?

Posted by: graywolf at December 03, 2011 06:41 PM (L4Noe)

471
"Yup, when those 19 guys died in airplanes, the entire international terror network backing them died. Right? Fuck yourself, you might learn something. Nothing else taught you."
Another intellectual. Haha. Buddy I enlisted and went to Afghanistan. What did you do?
Did I say we shouldn't respond? Did Paul say we shouldn't respond? Nope. What Paul said, and what I'm agreeing with, and what we're talking about, is that the response is OUT OF PROPORTION.
Go read about the Battle of Tora Bora. Al Qaeda was busted up and pretty much done in a matter of days. After months it was all over and our efforts shifted to something else entirely, nation building and the Taliban. The taliban had zilch to do with 9/11. Right now can you tell me what our goals are in Afghanistan? Define victory.
9/11 was horrible, no doubt. Nobody has said otherwise. But put it in perspective. Over 40,000 die every year in car accidents. Tens of thousands die from alcohol. A lot of people die for a lot of reasons... I don't see trillions being spent on automotive RD to improve safety. You think it's a good idea to sacrifice 4th amendment rights in the name of security? Our founders paid for the 4th amendment with their blood, and we flush it down the toilet because some goons from another world threaten us? Shameful.
We have created whole new bureacracies to enhance security. Yet how did our existing security fail? The hijackers didn't have guns. They didn't have bombs. They had boxcutters, lol. You think anybody could get away with that today? Nearly all pilots have a handgun in the cockpit now, air marshalls are on random flights, and passengers immediately tackle even a slightly beligerent passenger. But no, we need new fancy scanners that take naked pictures + screeners that get a nice breast or butt cup feel. Give me a break.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:42 PM (WSj9U)

472 I wish there was a group of people as hopelessly devoted to Trump. Those people would be fun at least.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at December 03, 2011 06:43 PM (BNQmS)

473 Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2011 04:56 PM (Fb/FO)

I certainly do not reference any race. Neoconservatism is a political ideology. And so far as any race is concerned, no one ideology fits an entire population. It would be stupid to say as you do that all neoconservatives are of one race, or that an entire race (you inserted Jewish) is neoconservative.

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 06:43 PM (lpWVn)

474
"You've convinced me Andrew. Islam is glorious and blameless. America is an evil empire that goes to war to subjugate people for no good reason."
How have I blamed America in any way?
When did I say Islam was good?
1) Threat to USA is blown out of proportion. 2) Threat is political, not religious.
Maybe I should just keep repeating this, you are unable to say anything relevant.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:44 PM (WSj9U)

475 I'll take a que from you, Andrew, and convince you I'm right not by merit of my arguemet, by by the merit of who I am. I am God, the Absolute Authority, and I did spec ops.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 06:45 PM (U9NWP)

476 Cheer up Andrew, 2016 is right around the corner.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at December 03, 2011 06:47 PM (BNQmS)

477 Really? Ok, tell me how they're not minding their own business? What are they doing to meddle with the USA? How are Muslims are large threatening us?
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:31 PM (WSj9U)

Yeah!

Posted by: Dearbornistan at December 03, 2011 06:48 PM (4q5tP)

478
"Is Indonesia peaceful? Why or why not?"
Again, the subject.
1) Threat to USA is blown out of proportion. 2) Threat is political, not religious.
Is your argument that we should startup some new wars because of what may or may not be going on in Indonesia?
Is your argument that we flush the 4th amendment because of what may or may not be going on in Indonesia?
I don't have a problem talking about Indonesia if you really want to, but that is a different subject.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:48 PM (WSj9U)

479 I agree with you, Andrew. America does bad things throughout the world, and the world will be a better place when we go home. As soon as we stop doing those bad things, the world will be sunshine and roses. The wonderfully enlightened slaves of Allah will go back to growing olives and writing poetry. China and Russia will stay peaceably within their borders. It'll be peace within our time. If anybody does anything bad, we'll send them a letter or marque and reprisal. It's going to be awesome, I'm sure, with everyone in the world living according to the precepts of Dr. Paul.

Posted by: Palandine the Paulian at December 03, 2011 06:49 PM (g7D8V)

480 Soona

The Austrian School of Economics which Ron Paul advocates is "Jewish" in origin. Ron Paul held a very strong friendship and alliance with Murray Rothbard.

There are as many political and socioeconomic factions in the Jewish population as in any other. Ask Carl in Jerusalem.

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 03, 2011 06:49 PM (lpWVn)

481 Really? Ok, tell me how they're not minding their own business? What are they doing to meddle with the USA? How are Muslims are large threatening us?
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:31 PM (WSj9U)
Yeah!

Posted by: Flying Imams at December 03, 2011 06:50 PM (4q5tP)

482
"The subject is threats to the USA, not Israel. You're bringing up an incident that is the result of Israel's settlement building...? muzzies' inability to live in peace and not butcher and blow up civilized peoples."
Do you know what the West Bank is? Palestinian land. Not my opinion either, that's the official opinion of the Israeli govt and UN. Have you ever been to the West Bank? I have, it's a sight. It's awesome only bathing once/week because the Israelis control the water spicket. But what's even better than that is having the Israeli military randomly roll in from time to time and kick you out of your house so they can bulldoze it to make way for a jewish housing settlement. Very civilized.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:54 PM (WSj9U)

483 Really? Ok, tell me how they're not minding their own business? What are they doing to meddle with the USA? How are Muslims are large threatening us?
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:31 PM (WSj9U)


Radical American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was directly involved in the failed Christmas 2009 plot on a commercial jet and failed October 2010 plot on cargo planes, according to the federal bulletin issued after Awlaki was killed Friday in a U.S. drone attack in Yemen.

Posted by: Christmas 2009 Underwear Bomber at December 03, 2011 06:54 PM (4q5tP)

484 It's bubbling over. . . Is-Re-Al. . . Is-Re-Al. . . Is-Re-Al. . . .

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 03, 2011 06:56 PM (U9NWP)

485 I knew it. I knew it. An anti-Semite who sympathizes with the fakeastinians.
I'm a libertarian, but it pisses me off how often people on that side of the spectrum fall into anti-Semitism, or trutherism, or the rest of that garbage.
Someone above was dumping on Ayn Rand, and I don't like her atheism, but that woman loved her country. I'll never understand how a philosophy of small government can attract those anti-Semitic dimwits. Isn't their hero one of the big government guys of the 20th century?

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 07:00 PM (g7D8V)

486
"Now that I'm a Paulian, we'll withdraw all troops from around the world. We'll reject our allies, and just worry about what happens in the good (oops, sorry, forgot we were evil, make that the bad) old USA."
You think it's good to pick and choose despots? So tongue in cheek about meddling in the affairs of others.
Paul has never said anything to the effect of "rejecting our allies." And first define ally. In business terms, how are we benefitting from all our allies? What do we get from supporting the monarchies and dictators in the ME? Seems like we've gotten a lot of folks killed over the years from these relationships.
"The Chinese won't withdraw from the rest of the world. Nor will the Russians. But that's for them, not us. They'll soon learn from our enlightened example and not interfere in the rest of the world. There's simply no way that they'll take advantage of the vacuum we've left behind to cause trouble throughout the world.
So now we're being threatened by the Chinese and Russians as well. I thought we were talking about the Islamic threat?
1) Threat is blown out of proportion. 2) Threat is political, not religious.
Stay on task.
"Pass the bong, Gary..."
I don't even drink alcohol... never even tasted it, seriously. How are you any different than the libs whocry "racist"?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:02 PM (WSj9U)

487 I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Palestinian houses on fire under the blades of Israeli bulldozers. I've watched American soldiers attack the peaceful Taliban near Tora Bora. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain. Time to die.

Posted by: Roy "Andrew" Batty at December 03, 2011 07:06 PM (g7D8V)

488
"I knew it. I knew it. An anti-Semite who sympathizes with the fakeastinians. I'm a libertarian, but it pisses me off how often people on that side of the spectrum fall into anti-Semitism, or trutherism, or the rest of that garbage."
Are you talking about me? How am I an anti-Semite? How do I hate jews? Please take your time with this one, this should be good.
And you again tossed the truther thing in there, I thought we went over that?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:07 PM (WSj9U)

489 "The subject is threats to the USA, not Israel. You're bringing up an incident that is the result of Israel's settlement building...? muzzies' inability to live in peace and not butcher and blow up civilized peoples."
Do you know what the West Bank is? Palestinian land. Not my opinion either, that's the official opinion of the Israeli govt and UN. Have you ever been to the West Bank? I have, it's a sight. It's awesome only bathing once/week because the Israelis control the water spicket. But what's even better than that is having the Israeli military randomly roll in from time to time and kick you out of your house so they can bulldoze it to make way for a jewish housing settlement. Very civilized.
Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 06:54 PM (WSj9U)
You'd better loosen thatkeffiyeh scarf, it's cutting off the flow of oxygen. Look up Oslo Accords. Area C holds all Israeli settlements, including Itamar. West Bank is 59% Israeli and 41% Pali, in the official opinion of the Israeli govt, the UN, and the Palestinian National Authority.

Posted by: Christmas 2009 Underwear Bomber at December 03, 2011 07:12 PM (4q5tP)

490
"Say, didn't Congress authorize our little adventure into Afghanistan to oust the Taliban, bring down Al Qaeda and kill/capture Bin Laden? The latter two being responsible for 9-11? Didn't Congress fund it?"
We're veering off topic here again. You're applying a general statement to something specific it wasn't refering to. Is that clear enough?
I don't dispute Congress supporting Afghanistan at all. Although there is an important point with regards to this. War is supposed to be declared by Congress. i.e. it comes from them. Just as budget bills are supposed to originate in the House. Same concept. It didn't happen that way. Also, the authorization given by congress was meant to root out Al Qaeda, not bring about an entire regime change in Afghanistan. WE DID NOT declare war against the COUNTRY of Afghanistan. We authorized action against a stateless entity... big difference.
Again though, my comments were not meant to say Afghanistan was adventurism.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:12 PM (WSj9U)

491
"The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."

Posted by: Anonymous Ron Paul Newsletter Gnome at December 03, 2011 07:14 PM (BNQmS)

492 Um, #491: that newsletter was actually right about that. Jeremiah Wright's church was not a fluke. And that comment's only gotten more right as the flashmobs get more brazen.

Plus, you're engaging in a redirection tactic, which isn't ethical.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 03, 2011 07:21 PM (6GvAC)

493 Andrew, I certainly don't agree with everything you've written (though I do a lot). Nevertheless, thanks your service. Did you get out or are you still in? FWIW, I speak some Dari/Farsi myself.

It's an old saying that people are generally more conservative and skeptical (in a psychological, not ideological sense) about things with which they are most familiar. Because they know the complexities and gray areas involved (being that reality's always complex). I think it's unfortunately one of the reasons that opinions on foreign policy reflect such simplicity, since people are usually spouting off about political systems and countries which they barely understand. (As is obviously clear from this thread.)

I wish that Conservatives applied the same skepticism towards foreign policy that they sometimes apply to domestic policy, but unfortunately right now most seem to be hooked on simple and comforting platitudes. (Not that I think the progressives/Democrats are much better - they just prefer different platitudes.) Maybe the country's fiscal situation will eventually wake up more of them to the relative unimportance of foreign affairs in comparison with domestic affairs for the average American. As well as the government's similar incompetence and often duplicity in dealing with them. Though I'm pessimistic, one can only hope.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:28 PM (/v94V)

494 WE DID NOT declare war against the COUNTRY of Afghanistan. We authorized action against a stateless entity... big difference.

And those states that sheltered them, so yeah, we did.

Posted by: toby928© at December 03, 2011 07:32 PM (GTbGH)

495
"You'd better loosen that keffiyeh scarf, it's cutting off the flow of oxygen. Look up Oslo Accords. Area C holds all Israeli settlements, including Itamar. West Bank is 59% Israeli and 41% Pali, in the official opinion of the Israeli govt, the UN, and the Palestinian National Authority."
This is a good point, but you're taking it out of context. The Oslo Accords were meant as a temporary 5-year agreement. It was a phased change of the guard, with 100% of the land supposed to go to the Palestinians at the end of it. One of the first bullet points in the agreement was no more settlement building, period.
See the map I linked. See Area C, it encircles all the other areas. This geography was selected purely for strategic reasons as control was phased over. Instead though what's happened is a LOT more settlement building. And on top of that all the valuable resources, like water, are in Area C. The Israelis pump the water into Israel proper, Palestinian access is tightly controlled.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:33 PM (WSj9U)

496 And a preemptive FYNQ to anyone who's only response to that post is personal abuse.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:33 PM (/v94V)

497
"I agree with you, Andrew. America does bad things throughout the world, and the world will be a better place when we go home. As soon as we stop doing those bad things, the world will be sunshine and roses. The wonderfully enlightened slaves of Allah will go back to growing olives and writing poetry. China and Russia will stay peaceably within their borders. It'll be peace within our time. If anybody does anything bad, we'll send them a letter or marque and reprisal. It's going to be awesome, I'm sure, with everyone in the world living according to the precepts of Dr. Paul."
You're just a troll, lol. Still waiting for you to address the subject at hand. I can repeat again if needed?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:37 PM (WSj9U)

498
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Palestinian houses on fire under the blades of Israeli bulldozers. I've watched American soldiers attack the peaceful Taliban near Tora Bora. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain. Time to die."
*sigh* And the circle jerk keeps going round and round. I will give some of you credit, you come up with some good lines...

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:41 PM (WSj9U)

499 I stopped being serious because this is a fundamentally non-serious topic. Paulians live in a world defined solely by America and what America does. They think not a bit about Russia (which is still pointing ICBMs at us and still seeking to expand their sphere of influence) and China (which is rapidly becoming a superpower). The main Paulian on this thread started Pali-cuddling by making references to the UN. The UN. Seriously. A hardcore libertarian speaking positively of a transnational government body. Andrew also keeps harping on a "political, not religious" threat coming from Islamofascist countries and groups, when such groups of course draw no distinction between the political and the religious, as Islam is a way of life. He also keeps mentioning no threat to the United States, although an EMP attack against the country (or a biological attack) could kill thousands, tank the economy even further, and cripple the country. He's not serious, so why shouldn't I have some fun?

Posted by: Palandine at December 03, 2011 07:42 PM (g7D8V)

500
"Um, #491: that newsletter was actually right about that. Jeremiah Wright's church was not a fluke. And that comment's only gotten more right as the flashmobs get more brazen. Plus, you're engaging in a redirection tactic, which isn't ethical."
Now that is freaking hilarious!

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:43 PM (WSj9U)

501 I'm totally fine with, and even appreciative of, Trump moderating a debate, provided he:

1. commits to not running for any party (conflict of interest)

2. as a prominent GOP member, commits to endorsing no one other than a GOP nominee, if anyone, for President

That's it. If he does these 2 things, I'm fine with it. Otherwise, no.

Posted by: Random at December 03, 2011 07:45 PM (YiE0S)

502 Plus, you're engaging in a redirection tactic, which isn't ethical.
Posted by: ZimrielI'm addressing the moment Ron Paul lost his snowball's-chance-in-hell of being president. That happened in 2008. That anySANE supporter would have taken as a cue to wrap up and move on.You're the last person in the room to understand this. I wonder why you haven't been SANE for the pastthree or fouryears, but most of the time too polite to say so.

Posted by: Anonymous Ron Paul Newsletter Gnome at December 03, 2011 07:47 PM (BNQmS)

503 496
And a preemptive FYNQ to anyone who's only response to that post is
personal abuse.


Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:33 PM (/v94V)

Oh I see, your allowed to say that conservatives don't understand Islam because they just fucking stupid but no one can say anything back. Yeah I don't think so you fucking Islam apologitic goat fucking cocksucking douche.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 07:47 PM (GZitp)

504 I didn't say anything about Islam, of which I am actually not a fan. You're just fucking stupid.

So there.

Neener, neener.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:50 PM (/v94V)

505 Oh yeah, FYNQ.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:51 PM (/v94V)

506 503 496 And a preemptive FYNQ to anyone who's only response to that post is personal abuse.
Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 07:33 PM (/v94V)

Oh I see, your allowed to say that conservatives don't understand Islam because they just fucking stupid but no one can say anything back. Yeah I don't think so you fucking Islam apologitic goat fucking cocksucking douche.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 07:47 PM (GZitp)
I heartily endorse your comment and would like to amend and extend your balls-on accurate desciption of M1R to include, and I quote, "cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit."

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 07:56 PM (4q5tP)

507
"Andrew, I certainly don't agree with everything you've written (though I do a lot). Nevertheless, thanks your service. Did you get out or are you still in? FWIW, I speak some Dari/Farsi myself."
Off active duty, still in as reservist. I willalmost certainlydeploy again. And proudly so. Not at all anti, just sober/frank about the down-to-earth reality I've seen.

"It's an old saying that people are generally more conservative and skeptical (in a psychological, not ideological sense) about things with which they are most familiar. Because they know the complexities and gray areas involved (being that reality's always complex). I think it's unfortunately one of the reasons that opinions on foreign policy reflect such simplicity, since people are usually spouting off about political systems and countries which they barely understand. (As is obviously clear from this thread.)"
Perhaps the most intelligent and well written statement I've read on here today. Cheers.

"I wish that Conservatives applied the same skepticism towards foreign policy that they sometimes apply to domestic policy, but unfortunately right now most seem to be hooked on simple and comforting platitudes. (Not that I think the progressives/Democrats are much better - they just prefer different platitudes.) Maybe the country's fiscal situation will eventually wake up more of them to the relative unimportance of foreign affairs in comparison with domestic affairs for the average American. As well as the government's similar incompetence and often duplicity in dealing with them. Though I'm pessimistic, one can only hope."
Again cheers. The dems definitely aren't any better, they are worse in my opinion, openly embracing a globalist and police the world mindset. And not only that, but in such a way that subjugates us to international bodies like the UN.We all know the anti-war talk is just talk. Obama hasn't done anything he pledged (*cough* Gitmo), exceptperhaps let gays in the military.
The fiscal situation will be a wake up call one way or another in my opinion. I just hope it's not Max-Max-style.I know that's crazy and unimaginable, but when things crash no telling, see Rome. With our rate of debt expansion and seeing what Europe is going through, it's a no brainer, just a matter of time. And that really is the thing. Paul has his faults, but show me another candidate that will truly decrease the size of govt. Not talk about it. Not decrease the rate of spending increases. Actually cut, actually shut down departments. That is the only way to solve the problem. Even the "conservatives" rail Paul for wanting to cut $1 trillion in the first year, saying it's too radical. And all he's proposing is going back to the 2006 budget, lol.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:59 PM (WSj9U)

508 504
I didn't say anything about Islam, of which I am actually not a fan. You're just fucking stupid.So
there.Neener, neener.

Bullshit, you call it a "political system". I call it what it is, Islam.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 07:59 PM (GZitp)

509 Ahh isn't that special, Andrew found a nice Islam supporting friend.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 03, 2011 08:01 PM (GZitp)

510 Oh yeah. I forgot. To give an opinion contradictory to the liberal consensus is "insane", even if it agrees with the facts - in fact, especially if it agrees with the facts. I better ensure my kids don't get taken away.

I know Paul can't win and never could win. I know Paul is not right on several issues and I've cited some here. On the issues in which Paul has been right, it's tragic that those are the issues trotted out on a conservative blog to invalidate him. "PLEASE don't confuse me with one of those BAD right wingers, O'Brien! Go put those rats over ANDREW's face! Go put them on Zimri's!"

Posted by: Zimriel at December 03, 2011 08:04 PM (6GvAC)

511
"I stopped being serious because this is a fundamentally non-serious topic. Paulians live in a world defined solely by America and what America does. "
I'm willing to betI've spent more time outside America, in more countries,and speak more languages than you. Are you really this naive? Paul's position is not based on some naive ignorance of the "real world." It's the opposite, based on a sober understanding of the world. Butmore important thanthat, it's based on principles. You either support the Constitution or you don't. Is it just a meaningless scrap of paper to you? If you aren't going to stick to your principles what is the point of having them?
And why do you keep referring to me as a "Paulian," like my opinions aren't original. I agree with Paul because of what I know, not because of something I read on the internet or watched on youtube.
You talk about Russia and all this. What are you talking about? You can't even defend the simple subject at hand and now you want to delve into other subjects as well? A man's got to know his limitations.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 08:13 PM (WSj9U)

512
"Ahh isn't that special, Andrew found a nice Islam supporting friend."
Again, I'm not supporting Islam. Said this several times now.
Again, the subject is.
1) Threat to USA is blown out of proportion. 2) Threat is political, not religious.
Do you have anything to say relevant to the subject?

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 08:15 PM (WSj9U)

513 Off active duty, still in as reservist. I willalmost certainlydeploy
again. And proudly so. Not at all anti, just sober/frank about the
down-to-earth reality I've seen.Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 07:59 PM (WSj9U)


Yes, we see things pretty similarly. I also feel the same about the Democrats. At least on a gut level, I can sympathize with some of the emotions behind many Republican arguments, but not the craven wannabe world-bureaucrat transnationalists. (Talking about the sincere ones, not the political opportunists, who are just as loathsome.)

May I ask what service? Did you commission as a reservist?

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 08:16 PM (/v94V)

514 Gee, how easy it is to debate when you claim to bethe sole arbiter of relevance, context, nuance, history, intent, .....

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 08:20 PM (4q5tP)

515 Bullshit, you call it a "political system". I call it what it is, Islam."

Actually, I was referring to Andrew's explanation of the monarchical Gulf States.

See, one of the problems you have is I can actually make your argument better than you can, being that I at least partially share it. In fact, one of the problems with the 'Democracy Agenda' - aka simplistic Progressivism masquerading as a conservative policy - is that, in fact, Islam is as it is currently interpreted by most Muslims is not only a religion but also a political system (and they interpret it correctly as such, I may add, based on the Koran and centuries of Islamic law). Western norms have no bearing on that. That's just one of the reasons that our utopian and ignorant attempts to transform both Iraq and Afghanistan were almost complete failures.

So again, I say, neener.

FYNQ.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 08:24 PM (/v94V)

516
"May I ask what service? Did you commission as a reservist?"
Navy. I enlisted active duty after college. Army on reserve side, which is more in line with what I did in Navy anyway.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 08:33 PM (WSj9U)

517 Last post wins.
FYNQ

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 08:33 PM (4q5tP)

518 Navy. I enlisted active duty after college. Army on reserve side, which is more in line with what I did in Navy anyway.

Yeah, I'm a NARMY reservist myself. "Join the Navy, see a landlocked country."

Any particular reason you passed up on OCS?

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 08:38 PM (/v94V)

519
This thread seems to be dead so I'm done for now. I'll probably check back in later in case anybody posts something they actually want a reply to.
Real quick though, assuming this was for me...
"Gee, how easy it is to debate when you claim to be the sole arbiter of relevance, context, nuance, history, intent, ..."
I have made no such claim at all. I'm trying to give others the fair opporunity to substantiate their position. Again, this all started because of the subject, which is Ron Paul's position that 1) the threat to the USA is bown way out of proportion and 2) is political, not religious. Paul is labeleda nut and ridiculed for these positions. I'm here to say he's right. In all the text of this thread not one single person has presented anything proving him wrong. My position, in agreeing with Paul, is based on my first-hand experience with the subject - the Middle East, GWOT, Islam, etc. - the anti-Paul position is based on, well, I don't know what it's based on. Stuff people read on blogs apparently.
You say Muslims are all evil. Islam is evil. Islam is the problem and threat. The terrorists hate us because they hate all infidels and want to senselessly kill us, just because. They hate our freedom, yada, yada.
My response, bullshit, none of that, NONE of that, is true at all. I've witnessed the violence in the ME first hand. I'm not saying things are all rosey. I'm simply saying you guys don't understand the dynamics on the ground. I know and have known a lot of Muslims. Never heard a single one of them talk about killing Christians or hating America because it's free. And I'm not talking about some elite upper class. I'm talking about common people in countries like Yemen and Lebanon that I know. I'm talking about friends in college (university in ME) that had Hamas and Hizballah flags in their dorm rooms. You say these people are senseless savage murderers and that's their motivation, I happen to actually know people in "terrorist" organizations and they aren't at all as you describe...and just to be clear, no, Idon't support or agree withhim. Just like I don't agree with Obama.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 08:50 PM (WSj9U)

520 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

Posted by: 420 Characters iBooks at December 03, 2011 08:56 PM (mLb28)

521 Last again!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 08:58 PM (4q5tP)

522 out of context = things that contradict Andrew's arguments


last?

Posted by: Websters internet word guide at December 03, 2011 09:01 PM (oif6Y)

523 I am last.

Posted by: spartacus at December 03, 2011 09:05 PM (GTbGH)

524 Andrew, just don't forget that the Communist and Nazi parties, for example, also had some rational people who sometimes had some legitimate political grievances. I also imagine (hope) that you weren't talking or roommates with the sorts of people who cut the heads off of Westerners.

Muslims can be just as irrational and hateful as anyone else. Most aren't super-rational inner-Paul supporters protesting against the nuances of U.S. foreign policy. In short, don't oversell your case.

Posted by: MlR at December 03, 2011 09:05 PM (/v94V)

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526 Ron Paul!

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527 I will always be last ePub.

Posted by: spam at December 03, 2011 09:21 PM (oif6Y)

528 I don’t usually add my comments, but I will in this case. Nice work. I look forward to reading more.

Posted by: The Leadership Test Audiobook at December 03, 2011 09:25 PM (Lo+rW)

529 Silver dimes!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2011 09:25 PM (4q5tP)

530 I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.

Posted by: The Tiny Book of Tiny Stories ePub at December 03, 2011 09:55 PM (cnCFK)

531 I love it!

This has now entered the realm of cheesy but cool ironic debate.

Is it real? Is it not real? is it mocking itself? Does that make it more serious or less serious? Who knows?! that's the fun!

Where do I get tickets!

Posted by: elizabethe is all in for Perry at December 03, 2011 10:06 PM (9/FQc)

532 Barack Obama is President.The office can't be damaged much more than that.,

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Posted by: Girl Hunter ePub at December 03, 2011 10:49 PM (Cij9i)

534
"Andrew, just don't forget that the Communist and Nazi parties, for example, also had some rational people who sometimes had some legitimate political grievances. "
Certainly.And this is also a two-way street. Just like truly bad guys may have a little good in them, even the good guys make mistakes. When did it become anti-American to take notice? We can't even discuss frankly *why* thingshappened? Most on this blog are so rabidly anti-Muslim anybody that isn't in goose-step with a genocide on Muslims is a pacifist anti-American to them. But Paul is the crazy one?
And if you dare point out flaws with Israel, automatically you're an anti-Semite.
"I also imagine (hope) that you weren't talking or roommates with the sorts of people who cut the heads off of Westerners. "
Definitely not. The sorts that do that are no different than the sorts on our own team involved in incidents like Abu Ghraib. In Lebanon you will find the Christian flag flying side-by-side with the Hizballah flag. We think of Hizballah as this crazy terrorist organization with all the imagery that comes with that. Over there it just isn't like that. They're like the minutemen. A political group or party that everybody in the country identifies with, regardless of their religion.
Incidentally, there have been far more heads lobbed off along the Mexican border than in the ME... far, far more. Thousands of beheadings in Mexico. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they Catholic down there? I know they are drug cartels, but they're still Catholic. I feel pretty confident in saying that Christians have cut off more heads in the past 10 years than Muslims. Just saying. I thought only Muslims were savage enough for that type of thing?

"Muslims can be just as irrational and hateful as anyone else. Most aren't super-rational inner-Paul supporters protesting against the nuances of U.S. foreign policy. In short, don't oversell your case."
No dispute. Haven't said otherwise. I'm just saying they don't care about us.Most are more concerned with eating day to day.

Posted by: Andrew at December 03, 2011 11:00 PM (WSj9U)

535 Chop!

Posted by: Carrie Nation at December 04, 2011 12:03 AM (GTbGH)

536 Last!

Posted by: Zimriel at December 04, 2011 01:25 AM (6GvAC)

537 Drew... I am surprised that the great Ace, political pundit extraordinaire, allowed so much opinion and blog space regarding Paul who he speaks of less than favorably. Perhaps he hates Paul's transparent voting record, the most conservative in Congress. Maybe he hates the lack of deception that the true GOP professionals engage in. Or the lack of scandal, cronies, insider trading, or FED/banker ass kissing.

So let's see. We are now left with a washed out old white elite zombie politician from the south and the left's favorite man from the land of liberal debauchery...what could possibly go wrong? We'd a been better off with Trump.

Proud day here...eh?


Posted by: Zombie Hunter Thompson at December 04, 2011 06:49 AM (GOG1H)

538 Who's last now?

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 04, 2011 10:05 AM (4q5tP)

539 Look, between the pancake making and the hobo hunting, Ace has a heavy schedule. He doesn't have time to read the PaulSpam comments at the end of a dead post. Heck, he barely even reads the main page.
You acolytes of Ron Paulreally are pod people. Sheesh.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 04, 2011 10:10 AM (4q5tP)

540 Newt's defiantly after the crazy birther vote. The GOP has sunk to a new low. Sigh...

Posted by: cvb at December 04, 2011 11:54 AM (HRFxR)

541 Again, last. I win!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 04, 2011 02:00 PM (4q5tP)

542 Ron Paul's problems can be summed up in two words AYN RAND



please search You tube for


Ayn Rand GOP vs. Jesus

you will see Ayn Rand in her own words.



Ayn Rand is Ron Paul's problem. He quotes her, admires her and evens
seems to WORSHIP her writing as if they are sacred writings. Well they
are, kinda sacred. Anton Levay used Ayn Rand's writings to develop the
SATANIC BIBLE.



Ayn Rand... oops I mean Ron Paul will never be President

Also, Ron Paul is not the whole GOP. He is not even a Republican. And
as long as Ayn Rand is running for President (from Hell through Ron
Paul) I will not vote even if it means 10 more years of Obama and then 10 of Hillary.



I cannot and will not vote for Ayn Rand... oops again I mean Ron Paul because I don't want to go to Hell. Sorry but I will not burn forever just so that you can have lower taxes or militarized borders or whatever the hell Ayn Rand wants.



so please watch the video Ayn Rand GOP vs. Jesus and you will see exactly what Ayn Rand... oooops dammit I mean what Ron Paul wants.

Posted by: Carpenter at December 04, 2011 06:11 PM (19630)

543 I will not be denied ... VICTORY!

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Posted by: anna lucia at December 05, 2011 04:34 AM (Hg8H7)

547 The only thing this post really says is that the author doesn't like Newt very much. You can always tell when someone is just looking at a subject through the "I don't like him prism".

Posted by: David at December 05, 2011 02:51 PM (5ANyb)

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Posted by: Count de Monet at December 05, 2011 10:29 PM (4q5tP)

549 Drew... I am surprised that the great Ace, political pundit extraordinaire, allowed so much opinion and blog space regarding Paul who he speaks of less than favorably. Perhaps he hates Paul's transparent voting record, the most conservative in Congress. Maybe he hates the lack of deception that the true GOP professionals engage in. Or the lack of scandal, cronies, insider trading, or FED/banker ass kissing.
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