Romney On FNC: You're Either Uninformed Or A Democrat If You Think I've Changed My Positions

He gets points for chutzpah.

Bair asked Romney about his changing positions on climate change, abortion, immigration, and gay rights, and asked him how the American people could trust him on the important issues.

"Your list is just not accurate," replied Romney to an visibly surprised Baier, "So, one, we're going to have to be better informed about my views on issues."

Baier pointed out video ads released by Romney's opponents attacking Romney as a flip-flopper.

"I'm glad to see that the Democrat ads are breaking through," Romney said cynically adding that most videos took "only snippets of his remarks, taking them out of context."

Video at the link.

Romney was also unable to explain how his position on immigration (which at one point included a path to citizenship) was tougher than Gingrich's which Romney labels "amnesty" even though it doesn't include a path to citizenship (though it does include the dumb "citizen board" idea).

After watching him last night in the one on one with Baier, I understand why Romney has refused to do the Center Seat segment on Special Report.

Video of the full interview is here.

BTW- I know you can say Newt has flipped on a number of issues as well. That's true and it's certainly a valid hit on him. But at least he doesn't insult your intelligence and motives by denying it.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:34 PM



Comments

1 Romney's position is different on immigration. He advocates border security first before even talking about who can stay and who needs to go. Romney is also for cutting off the magnets to illegal immigration first. Newt goes right to amnesty, as he has supported many times in the past.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 30, 2011 12:36 PM (9zzk+)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:37 PM (8y9MW)

3 Gun Rights Crusaders Target State Over Definition of "Assault Weapon" article uses fictitious guns from Halo.

Now they want to have "gun control" even in your fantasies.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at November 30, 2011 12:37 PM (e8kgV)

4 "So, one, we're going to have to be better informed about my views on issues."

Hey, it's hard to keep up with your views.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2011 12:38 PM (FcR7P)

5 Goodness.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2011 12:38 PM (I2LwF)

6
We a proper fucked.
It looks to be either him or Newt. Both are jokes in their own way.
It's amazing to me that Romney has been ducking the most respected and sensible conservative TV show. He's running in the Republican primary and he can't handle questions from a Republican friendly tv show?

Posted by: Ben at November 30, 2011 12:38 PM (wuv1c)

7 Well, at least he's able to brazen it out under fire. That might be a useful skill later.

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2011 12:38 PM (RD7QR)

8 #1 - Well. That's what Mittens says today. We'll check in with him tomorrow to see how far he has shifted.

Posted by: Lord Ra at November 30, 2011 12:39 PM (OIioq)

9 The absolutely abysmal part of the interview is where-

Romney insisted that RomneyCare is not a mistake for Massachusetts-and that his continued insistence on defending that-is proof of Romney's consistency and honesty.

Massachusetts now has the highest state debt per capita- of any state in the union.

(Source:24/7 Wall St.)



Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 12:39 PM (rJVPU)

10 I can't be reasoned into supporting this guy, since I wasn't reasoned out of it. He has just always given me the heeby-jeebies.

Posted by: toby928ゥ will wear the cornbrero when the time comes at November 30, 2011 12:39 PM (GTbGH)

11 I'd have a far easier time getting the nomination if these people would just stop quoting me.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 30, 2011 12:39 PM (fecOD)

12 As I've often said, make them regret being in the US and they'll leave. What? No, I'm talking about businesses and jobs.

Posted by: barry potus at November 30, 2011 12:40 PM (FcR7P)

13 What do I know for sure? I know for damn sure I ain't a DemonRat. That Makes Mitt the Hoover a goddamn liar, doesn't it?

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 12:40 PM (OlN4e)

14 I have never changed my position on anything. Unless you think that makes me inflexible or something. In that case I change my positions all the time.

Posted by: Mittens! at November 30, 2011 12:40 PM (3wr+t)

15 "Getting Republicans to line up behind Mitt Romney, it turns out, is like trying to stuff a cat into a trash can. No matter how you present the feline to the receptacle, at least one claw always manages to reach out at the last second and cling desperately to the rim." - Washington Times

Posted by: ahem at November 30, 2011 12:40 PM (ZUqYq)

16 So why is it again our leading candidates spent a lot of time on the wrong side of the issues? Why don't we have a candidate who has consistently opposed AGW for example?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2011 12:41 PM (7BU4a)

17 Romney's position is different on immigration.

Yes it is. It's different than it was a couple of years ago.

The only thing Romney hasn't flipped on is his continued love of RomneyCare and it's individual mandate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

18 Last thing mittens had going for him was that he was milquetoast inoffensive plain vanilla pabulum. Looks like he's flipped on that now too...

Posted by: M. Murcek at November 30, 2011 12:41 PM (ToZXn)

19 He's right, Mitt never changes positions. What a bore.

Posted by: Mrs Mittens at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (3wr+t)

20 Romney 2012: For An Immaculately Managed Decline

Posted by: Mittens! at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (FcR7P)

21 What's scary is that I honestly think he believes this.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (pLTLS)

22 He's running in the Republican primary and he can't handle questions from a Republican friendly tv show?

That would be because a true Republican TV Show is, by definition, not "friendly" to someone who is closer, ideologically, to Democrats (nationally) than Republicans (nationally).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (8y9MW)

23 Like in 2008, I'm going around in circle, considering each candidate and deciding "no," until I'm back at the beginning. I'm more solid this time, definitely going for "not Romney." If I could only figure out who that is.

Posted by: lawdvd at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (UpdGw)

24

The "out of context" excuse is worn out BS.

The only people it works on is those who want to believe it. And if you want to believe it, then you are already a fan anyways by definition.... so...

Posted by: dan-O at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (sWycd)

25 It's a good thing Texas has an interesting primary race to replace KBH, otherwise I might be tempted to tune out these clowns and not even bother to vote.

Posted by: Bob Saget at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (SDkq3)

26 9
The absolutely abysmal part of the interview is where-



Romney insisted that RomneyCare is not a mistake for
Massachusetts-and that his continued insistence on defending that-is
proof of Romney's consistency and honesty.



Massachusetts now has the highest state debt per capita- of any state in the union.



(Source:24/7 Wall St.)






的知 standing by what I did in Massachusetts. I知 not trying to dust it aside. I知 absolutely firm
that it was the right thing for our state. I値l defend that and I
understand it has political implications. And if it keeps me from
winning a primary, so be it. But that happens to be the truth.

的t痴 by far, the biggest challenge I have in the primary race. And if I were
willing to say anything to get elected, wouldn稚 I just say, 双h, it was
a mistake, because I致e watched other people on the stage when they
talk about their cap-and-trade policies, they say, 双h, that was a
mistake. When someone says, 双h, I did this ad on global warming, that
was a mistake. So they致e just brushed it aside.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (d6QMz)

27 Abortion and climate change.Meh.The Scientific community has been lying! Yeah - most of us saw through it, but some pols did not. Wahtever.Has it been consequential with Romney or Gingrich? It'sthe democrats who have collectively rolled the global warming gutter ball. $$$
Abortion is the stickiest topic and the left love to corner the right all while the left skate on by. It's the other flip flops that matter and they are baked into the cake.
Obama V. Romeny
Obama V. Gingrich.
Those are our choices this time around. I submit that most voters won't care about Romney's flip flops anyway. Obama ran our nation into the ground. Who will dig us out? Who will win over the stupid? Who will scare voters into thinking Obama is still oh so wonderful? Pick.

Posted by: ecd at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (O7ksG)

28 Oh and did you guys already discuss the latest Ras poll that has Newt up by 2 over Bambi? Survey of likely voters.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 30, 2011 12:43 PM (pLTLS)

29 Romney doesn't insult my intelligence by denying he flip-flops; he insults his own.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (dZ756)

30 What's scary is that I honestly think he believes this.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (pLTLS)
Yep.

Posted by: MissTammy at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (SsG4J)

31 Mitt really is a most consistent Republican. He gathers 25% of Republican support for going on 5 years.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (OlN4e)

32 Romney 2012: For An Immaculately Managed Decline

Posted by: Mittens! at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (FcR7P)
One fundamental question to ask - do you think starting to resolve our country's issues can wait until 2020? If so, vote for Romney, or Newt, or Obama for that matter.If you don't think we've got another decade to *start* on fixing the issue, why are we deciding between flavors of status quo candidates?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (7BU4a)

33 Look this is the real choice: Aged Ken Doll or guy who looks like a cross between the Stay Puft Marshmallow man and Winston Churchill.

Posted by: taylork at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (5wsU9)

34 This is where Romney reminds me of President Obama.

Romney even when considering the end result-the health care mandate Romney implemented in Massachusetts is now the reason why Massachusetts has the highest state debt per capita in the nation -and Romney cannot simply admit he might have been wrong.

Obama spent 800 billion on a stimulus while being positive that would keep unemployment at 8% or lower.

Instead of admitting that Team Obama might have gotten that one wrong- what does the Obama Administration do?

They want a second stimulus.

The biggest problem with the Obama Administration has always been-

The Arrogance.

Looks like with Romney, we will get more of that-

The Arrogance.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 12:44 PM (rJVPU)

35 Hi ergie! Bye ergie!

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:45 PM (AqHW/)

36 If, in the next few weeks, Gingrich manages to step on his dick, Ace's dream will come true and Perry will rise again.

The problem with that is that when Gingrich steps on his dick, people have been tending to laugh with him -- they laugh at Romney and Perry.

Unfair, but so is life.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2011 12:45 PM (+KHIt)

37 HOLD FAST

Posted by: toby928ゥ Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 30, 2011 12:45 PM (GTbGH)

38 I am starting to buy the "Romney flip-flops won't hurt him" argument. The more people harp on it, the more nothing changes. He has been at 25% for so long its a joke. Those inclined to vote for Romney have already bought into the fact that he changes his mind.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:45 PM (OWjjx)

39 Another way Romney is like all of the other politicians currently reaping theirs while destroying this country? He thinks we're all idiots.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2011 12:46 PM (jx2j9)

40 33
Look this is the real choice: Aged Ken Doll or guy who looks like a
cross between the Stay Puft Marshmallow man and Winston Churchill.


Posted by: taylork

You know, that's really not a bad pedigree. Winston Churchill, well, kinda good for western civ. that he was around and everybody loves marshmallows.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2011 12:46 PM (dZ756)

41 Erg? Is that you? Long time, no see, cocksucker.

Posted by: toby928ゥ Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 30, 2011 12:46 PM (GTbGH)

42 Meh.The Scientific community has been lying! Yeah - most of us saw through it, but some pols did not
The problem is even if you bought the Mann etc all spin, authoritarian government action should have never been a serious option.

Think fossil fuels will be the death of us all? Stop using them. Then convince your countrymen of the rightness, and feasibility, of your position.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2011 12:47 PM (7BU4a)

43
[I can't be reasoned into supporting this guy, since I wasn't reasoned out of it. He has just always given me the heeby-jeebies.]
Same here. He never came close to passing my gut-check.
Whoa- gut, passing... ewwww. Sorry.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 30, 2011 12:47 PM (SCcgT)

44 The guy is like a fucking snake oil salesman. I can't stand watching him.

If you can't handle a center seat segment with Fox, don't even try to do a presser with the MFM.


Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at November 30, 2011 12:47 PM (ndp2I)

45 O.K. Since Cain is imploding it's going to be a choice of Mittens and Newt. I'm not thrilled with either but right now will take Newt over Mittens. Vs. SCOAMF If Mitty gets the nod I'll hold my nose like 2008 and vote for him, or a ham sandwich over SCOAMF. He needs to go period. My question is who gets Cain and Bachman's supporters when they actually admit reality? I don't see them going to Mittens.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 30, 2011 12:47 PM (mt5iA)

46 Miss '80s

And if it keeps me from winning a primary, so be it.

********

I forgot that part-but now I remember-Romney actually laid down the gauntlet like that-on his own campaign.

Unreal.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 12:48 PM (rJVPU)

47 Very funny ad from the paulbots.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 12:48 PM (oZfic)

48 yay! we'll finally see some Romneybots that have gone missing w/ a new Romney thread up!

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Not Afraid Of No Co-Bloggers Or Trolls at November 30, 2011 12:48 PM (3XDPM)

49 If you can't handle a center seat segment with Fox, don't even try to do a presser with the MFM.

The MFM would be his "friendly" venue. At least until he wins the nomination (God forbid).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

50 Cat Pee...It Stings

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Not Afraid Of No Co-Bloggers Or Trolls at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (3XDPM)

51 and there you have it.......he's toast.......so all you romneybots......uh still upset that perry called you "heartless"? if you support romney your are "brainless"......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (SH3gZ)

52 Lord, could he be more obvious? Immigration is just one of those icky issues that Lord Romney thinks we should not be talking about this year. He gets this pained look on his face whenever he is forced to talk about the issues he knows us lumpen proles care about.
The more I see of this guy, the less I like him and trust him. And I actually supported him in 2008! Newt has his huge flaws, but at least I feel I know what I am getting from him and that he will never talk down to me.

Posted by: rockmom at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (A0UFZ)

53 The stupid woman demographic will turn out better for Romney. Just sayin

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (I4h50)

54 AuthorLMendez Is Not Afraid Of No Co-Bloggers Or Trolls
Isn't that a double negative or something with the handle? Sorry, my english grammer rules are pretty much "throw words together --- hope it makes sense"

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (OWjjx)

55 where's polishing nikes for Romney in Texas? isn't this his kind of thread?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Not Afraid Of No Co-Bloggers Or Trolls at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (3XDPM)

56 if you support romney your are "brainless"......

Yeah, well, that was a given.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (8y9MW)

57 Sorry Mitt, the past doesn't exist only to/for Democrats.

Posted by: Doc at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (3eBV2)

58
Isn't that a double negative or something with the handle? Sorry, my english grammer rules are pretty much "throw words together --- hope it makes sense"
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (OWjjx) dude i'm grouchy today, double negatives are in my mind all day

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Not Afraid Of No Co-Bloggers Or Trolls at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (3XDPM)

59 Since Delta isn't here, I will take this opportunity to step in for him and promote the one true conservative in the race.............BUDDY ROEMER!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (OWjjx)

60 We are all still waiting for theGorebull warming jet setters to give up buzzing around the globe in their gas-guzzling fossil fuel sucking private jets. Yes.

Posted by: ecd at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (O7ksG)

61 Mitt: I supported a mandate and I implemented it.

Newt: I supported a mandate but realized it was a bad idea.

Winner: Newt

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 30, 2011 12:50 PM (usXZy)

62 Um, clean up in aisle 35.

Posted by: taylork at November 30, 2011 12:51 PM (5wsU9)

63 Miss me yet?

Posted by: James Earl Carter at November 30, 2011 12:51 PM (P1nni)

64 I voted for a President who campaigned to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, and was against insurance mandates, now when he triples the deficit and includes a mandate in his healthcare bill I still support him.

Flip flopping is only something Republicans do.

Posted by: I am the 99% at November 30, 2011 12:51 PM (yt5iO)

65 He's running in the Republican primary and he can't handle questions from a Republican friendly tv show?

Romney called the interview "unusual".

Telling isn't it? Romney's been getting the kid glove treatment-when he doesn't the interview is "unusual".

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 12:51 PM (rJVPU)

66 35
Yeah, Drewsie, the Knucklehead litmus test: Prove you hate Spics.








Good luck with that, cocksucker.

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:45 PM (AqHW/)

--Look, ergie's on furlough again!

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 12:51 PM (P1nni)

67 Oops I forgot Perry. So once Perry, Bachman and Cain fold their tents who gets the majority of their supporters? Face it. Most of those candidates supporters are very conservative to varrying degrees. Are they likely to go to Mittens? I doubt it. I think Newt ends up with the nod. I'm not thrilled with it but Paul Ryan decided to stay home so. Meh. ABSCOAMF.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (mt5iA)

68 ...blah...blah...knuckleheads...etc...Really. I'm just phoning it in here.

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (AqHW/)

69 Just can't get passed this with Newt.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (oZfic)

70 dude i'm grouchy today, double negatives are in my mind all day
Sorry to hear that but cheer up......you know what always cheers me up.
When I am down and out. Feeling like I haven't got a friend in the world. Feel like everything and everyone is against me I remember one thing. No matter how bad it gets, no matter how down I am, I cheer up and remember one thing..........thank God I am not Alan Keyes.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (OWjjx)

71 Romney is an evil robot hellbent on destroying us all

Posted by: brak at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (JthHC)

72 Soooo... Should we all start training for our new lives as smelly, out of work hippies?

Posted by: Crunch McLargehuge at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (e8T35)

73 I never thought we would have to pick a rat pill outta the box to run for POTUS, but dig and dig and all there is in the box are rat pills. I'm starting to forget why I didn't support Sarah Palin. I mean shit, even with her baggage she looks better than the current rat pills, and she's wonderful to look at too. Can you say that about Pelosi's couch mate?

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 12:53 PM (OlN4e)

74 Um, clean up in aisle 35.

Leave it. The phony red poseur hasn't been here in awhile and we need the funny.

Posted by: toby928ゥ Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 30, 2011 12:53 PM (GTbGH)

75 Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (AqHW/)

FYNQ.

Also: GDIAF.

But it's good to see your pimp lets you have some time off, ergie.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:53 PM (8y9MW)

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:53 PM (AqHW/)

77 All hail the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Posted by: toby928ゥ Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 30, 2011 12:54 PM (GTbGH)

78 Forget my record and my flip-flops! The face, people! Focus on my face!

It's the focal point of the whole package.

Posted by: Mitt "The Face" Romney at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (BbX1b)

79 Don't they make a Kitty litter that covers up the odor of cat piss?

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (I4h50)

80 Hey DrewM. --

Just curious, could you answer me this: do you think Newt Gingrich could actually win the Presidency against Obama? If so, explain how you see this scenario playing out, with reference to how he overcomes his marital issues, his lobbying/Beltway-corruption charges, his prior political record, and his own personality. And further, do you think someone with his personality would actually make a good President?

If not, how do you justify supporting a candidate who will lead to the reelection of Obama?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (K+pvw)

81
74..... yup

The angry self righteous condescension trolls are much more entertaining than the concern or empathy species.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (C8hzL)

82 Don't they make a Kitty litter that covers up the odor of cat piss?

No. They try to, but nothing covers up the odor of cat pee.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (8y9MW)

83 Romney 2012: For An Immaculately
Managed Decline

Posted by: Mittens! at November 30, 2011 12:42 PM (FcR7P)

Romney 2012: Mondale '84 + Kerry '04. With awesome hair.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (usXZy)

84 I watched the whole clip and his arrogance and condescension to Baier was palpable. He doesn't connect with the average American because he is another wealthy man who has no clue what it is like to actually live on a budget. I didn't like him before and his favorability in my eyes just dropped through the floor. He reminds me of Hildebeast who expected to be coronated, and was out-clintoned by a bunch of dirty Chicago thugs.
At this point, Newt is looking better, but then, I keep looking at Perry to hit the "reset" button. He still has time.
All this, and still: ABO. Period.

Posted by: Shame the Shameless at November 30, 2011 12:56 PM (TFeHR)

85 Anyone got any frozen fruit? It's uh, for my smoothie.

And by "smoothie" I mean ass.

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 12:56 PM (AqHW/)

86 And my owner opted out. Damn.

Posted by: Mike Pence's Very Presidential Hair at November 30, 2011 12:56 PM (GTbGH)

87 and erg's got nuthin'

alas.

Posted by: toby928ゥ at November 30, 2011 12:57 PM (GTbGH)

88 Eye on the ball, assholes.

No, that's your line of work.
Speaking of, I expect your "employer" is looking for his cut right about now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:57 PM (8y9MW)

89 The ability to give a reasonable answer for flipping is in the next software upgrade for the Mittinator P2000 cybernetic candidate.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 30, 2011 12:57 PM (tf9Ne)

90 What's wrong with admitting your positions change as you have more data upon which to base those positions? Very disappointing.

Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 12:58 PM (mka2b)

91 The ability to give a reasonable answer for flipping is in the next
software upgrade for the Mittinator P2000 cybernetic candidate.
Available in 2016.

Posted by: taylork at November 30, 2011 12:58 PM (5wsU9)

92 Somebody shoot erg some Rid-X. He is tiresome but at least he's stupid.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 12:58 PM (OlN4e)

93 Very disappointing.

Only if you expected better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 12:59 PM (8y9MW)

94 I would bet money that Mitt would even allow his hair to be mussed up if only he could figure out a way to denounce himself over RomneyCare.

Without, of course, looking like a bigger tool.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2011 01:00 PM (+KHIt)

95 The more I see of this guy, the less I like him
and trust him. And I actually supported him in 2008! Newt has his huge
flaws, but at least I feel I know what I am getting from him and that
he will never talk down to me.

Posted by: rockmom at November 30, 2011 12:49 PM (A0UFZ)
I voted for him in 2008, too, but only because everyone else had dropped out (or might as well have) by the time the Georgia primary rolled around...he was the non-McCain. I won't be voting for him in the Virginia primary this time around.Still for Perry, and if Perry isn't still around on March 6, then Newt instead, but I sure as hell won't be happy about it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a brokered/deadlocked convention (I know, I know).

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 30, 2011 01:00 PM (rLhp2)

96 Dear Jeff B.


Can you explain how-when about the only thing that got Conservatives to protest in Washington D.C. in decades the passage of ObamaCare-we are going to attack that while Romney insists on defending RomneyCare?

Who does Romney think he is-Fred Astaire?

How is that tap dance going to be "successful"?

And if Republicans, and Conservatives elect the one guy that mandated health care how are they not going to look like fools?

Like the mass protest in D.C. was all just an act?

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 01:00 PM (rJVPU)

97 What's wrong with admitting your positions change as you have more data upon which to base those positions? Very disappointing.
And yet Mitt continues to defend Romneycare. Look, I got no problem with Mitt flipping from being an advocate for Abortion to being Pro-Life. Or a lot of the other changes he has made. But again, for I do not know the how many time.....someone explain to me the conservative basis for Romneycare? Skip the federalism argument --- a non-conservative idea at the state level is just as non-conservative at the federal level.
That being said, if he is the nominee, I will still go vote for him. Maybe not with a great deal of enthusiams, but I will do it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:02 PM (OWjjx)

98 romney doesn't even "look" good anymore.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:02 PM (SH3gZ)

99 Fuck Romney.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at November 30, 2011 01:02 PM (6IReR)

100
Politico's new eBook "The Right Fights Back" unearths slice-of-life nuggets about Republican presidential candidates on the campaign trail in pursuit of the GOP nomination.Romney enjoys eating KFC, but is sufficiently health conscious to pull the skin off his chicken or the cheese off any pizza slice he eats.




Well, that's the last straw. Newt it is.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 30, 2011 01:03 PM (oBrVT)

101 Aaaaand drink! I've decided that will be my response to, pretty much, this entire election season.
Note to self: functional alcoholism will go better if you remember to buy alcohol.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2011 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

102
Chutzpah, yes. Not overly concerned with that, but once again he defended Romneycare as right for MA. He can be all 10th amendment he wants, but if he can't recognize what a colossal mistake that was for MA, he isn't right in the head.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 30, 2011 01:03 PM (JYheX)

103 Tell me again why Perry just can't possibly win? Between Newt, Mitt and Perry, Rick is the only one who doesn't scare the bejesus out of me. I'd still vote ABO, but the Pelosi couch rider and the MA flip flopper don't give me that trusting feeling.

Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at November 30, 2011 01:04 PM (ycuSb)

104 102 guy mohawk

"...he isn't right in the head."

and neither are his followers.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:05 PM (SH3gZ)

105 romney doesn't even "look" good anymore.......

When you get gobsmacked by the Pillsbury Dough-Boy in round 1, the rope-a-dope strategy might be about as effective as your health care plan turned out to be.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2011 01:05 PM (+KHIt)

106 Mitt Romney is the best candidate ever. He will win the election. He is very conservative. He says all the right things. He is the best. He is the second coming of Ronald Reagan. He is smarter than everyone.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitbot at November 30, 2011 01:06 PM (mt5iA)

107 Since ergie loves him some mexicans perhaps he could send his home address to the illegal that raped a man at gunpoint here in S.C.
Walk the walk ergie . Show the brown rapist that you're down with the struggle .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 30, 2011 01:07 PM (ybe4q)

108 Romney pulls the cheese offa his pizza? What a sniveling pussy.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:07 PM (OlN4e)

109 Yet more proof that the only deep conviction Romney has is that he wants to be President. Anything is negotiable/changeable as long as he reaches that goal.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at November 30, 2011 01:07 PM (lm4ag)

110 Basically, it all boils down to all of our candidates on the Right SUCK.

WTF RNC!?! This should be PRIME real estate right now with the SCoaMF in office you you guys just continually step on your dick.

No wonder this country is going to hell in a handbasket.

Posted by: ゥ Sponge at November 30, 2011 01:07 PM (UK9cE)

111 romney doesn't even "look" good anymore.......I'd still hit that. Not vote for it maybe, but hit it? Yeah.
Disclaimer: If I were unmarried and did that sort of thing which I didn't, wouldn't.

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2011 01:07 PM (I4h50)

112 Classic case of schizophrenia. It would not be surprising to hear that Mitt busted up the control room after the show, looking for the context-removal device planted by Bret Baier.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 30, 2011 01:08 PM (+lsX1)

113 but if he can't recognize what a colossal mistake that was for MA, he isn't right in the head.

This baffles me as well. He could have walked this back over the last two years, told us what was done wrong, what right etc, but no. He has insisted that the albatross around his neck is gold filigree.

Posted by: toby928ゥ at November 30, 2011 01:08 PM (GTbGH)

114 dagny

i'd punch him.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:08 PM (SH3gZ)

115 Ergie has been on tour, of late. Lotta cheesy homelessdicks to suck at the various OWS encampments.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:09 PM (OlN4e)

116 Romney's position is different on immigration. He advocates border security first before even talking about who can stay and who needs to go.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 30, 2011 12:36 PM (9zzk+)
So, basically, Romney nowagrees with Perry and Gingrich.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 30, 2011 01:09 PM (hsIYw)

117 Mitt's never been anything but a con artist. He'll say whatever he believes need be said to get the votes he needs to get. He means nothing he says on any issue except that he wants the votes. That's it. That's all he stands for.

"Vote for Mitt, he'll tell you what you want to hear!"


Posted by: Grimmy at November 30, 2011 01:10 PM (uUsh9)

118 Just curious, could you answer me this: do you think Newt Gingrich could actually win the Presidency against Obama?
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (K+pvw)


Sure he could. Look at the economy, unemployment, Obama's negative approval ratings (especially among independents see both Rasmussen and Pew). A lot of what Newt did is old but Democrats like to fawn over Clinton, Newt can certainly make a case for his part in balancing the budget and reforming welfare.

Would it be easy? Probably not. But doable? Yeah.

Now explain to me why a guy like Romney, who has lost more elections than he's won, is only supported by 25% of his own party, has been on the every side of every issue (except for the one most voters hate...ObamaCare and he's on the wrong side of that one) and will be caricatured as the walking embodiment of the dreaded 1% is so much more electable?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 01:10 PM (2f1Rs)

119 I think this is brillant. From now on, when ever I get in trouble, I am just going to claim I was taken out of context.
No officer, I was not speeding. Your radar gun took my speed out of context.
No, IRS, I was not hiding income. Your auditor took my return out of context.
No, power company, I am not behind in my bill. Your computer took my payment history out of context.
Brilliant!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:10 PM (OWjjx)

120 Someone said it up thread, on top of all the flip-flop, inability/unwillingness to own his mistake (romneycare), ol' mittens' hair was fine, but his face and body language looked weary, uneasy, and almost resentful about being asked real questions by a real journalist.
The Ick meter is topping out.

Posted by: Shame the Shameless at November 30, 2011 01:11 PM (TFeHR)

121 There is an easy test to determine if somethings is working -- do you want your name associated with it?



"I know that our economic program is working, they don't call it Reagonomics anymore" -- Ronaldus Magnus


"Its not Romney-care, the program is called Mass-care" -- Willard Mittens Oba-romney



Posted by: Mark E at November 30, 2011 01:11 PM (w5RwR)

122 90 What's wrong with admitting your positions change as you have more data upon which to base those positions? Very disappointing.
Well if helmut hair actually looked at you know actual dta. How about admitting you were dead ass fucking wrong on Romneycare as a start? The economy is in alot worse shape now because of employers reaction to Obamacare and the huge impact it will have on them. And Mittens only response is to double down? WTF. It's bankrupting Mass and he is proud of it? So it Mittens get the nod we'll have two arrogant pricks on stage who both instituted a job/economy killing madate! Whoopeee! YEAH!!!!!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 30, 2011 01:11 PM (mt5iA)

123 Romney's position is different on immigration. He advocates border security first before even talking about who can stay and who needs to go.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 30, 2011 12:36 PM (9zzk+)
So, basically, Romney nowagrees with Perry and Gingrich.
And the 2008 edition of.......John McCain.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:12 PM (OWjjx)

124 So why is it again our leading candidates spent a lot of time on the wrong side of the issues? Why don't we have a candidate who has consistently opposed AGW for example?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2011 12:41 PM (7BU4a)
We do, but he said some stupid stuff in some debates and such. And, his illegal alien policies are too close to the flailing Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 30, 2011 01:12 PM (hsIYw)

125 Obvious troll is obvious. Bye ergie!

Posted by: Henry Qatb at November 30, 2011 01:12 PM (AqHW/)

126 Just curious, could you answer me this: do you think Newt Gingrich could actually win the Presidency against Obama? Posted by: Jeff B. at November 30, 2011 12:55 PM (K+pvw)
yes, he can
most anti-Romneys cant, I believe Newt can

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Offering $ To ace If He Bans oZfic at November 30, 2011 01:12 PM (yAor6)

127 Crap. It's 2011, the election is a year off, and I've ran out of gas. Zero enthusiasm for any of these - people. Living in Illinois, my voting franchise is functionally meaningless, so for me the whole exercise is a spectator sport.
What I wanted was someone who was brave. I think the times call for it. What we've got are politicians, doing what they do. Probably makes no "realpolitik" sense, but maybe that is what got us to where we are now - at the end. That's what it seems like. #101 is probably on to something.

Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2011 01:13 PM (BoE3Z)

128 2. Austerity! Shrink our way to prosperity!

The state is the source of all income apparently. The stupidity, it burns.

Posted by: toby928ゥ at November 30, 2011 01:13 PM (GTbGH)

129 Erg has been on sabbatical to OWS. He's writing his Doctorate of Fecology thesis.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:14 PM (OlN4e)

130 O/T Never have posted in 6 years, but is the Amazon thingy I used this weekend to give Ace credit dissapeared. I would like to give him help when I order. Am I missing it?

Posted by: RobinWV at November 30, 2011 01:14 PM (SObiK)

131 Posted by: Hugh Hewitbot at November 30, 2011 01:06 PM (mt5iA)
Hugh's been very fair to the anti-Romneys but lately his bias is starting to drip out more, yesterday he had 3 hours fretting over Newt as the nominee and not his beloved Mitt

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:15 PM (yAor6)

132 Erg has been on sabbatical to OWS. He's writing his Doctorate of Fecology thesis.

He is a janitor at some college isn't he? Wasn't that one of the things we learned about him a couple of years ago?

Posted by: toby928ゥ at November 30, 2011 01:15 PM (GTbGH)

133 Oh cripes. Newt has changed his mind about certain issues over the years and it's disqualifying to some people. As if there is something unusual or outlandish about a person changing their mind.

You are almost certain to get either Newt or Mitt as your nominee. Forget about the others (yes...that includes Perry). The two most articulate people in the race happen to be the top two polling candidates right now. That should tell you something.

I can see criticizing one or the other, but trashing both Newt and Mitt doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: reggie1971 at November 30, 2011 01:16 PM (b68Df)

134 Some of you grab your diapers, I still think Palin could have won given the current slater of candidates. She bowed out before the field was seen in action. Too bad, because she had the right ideas and the stones to say, mean and DO what she said she would do. The DNC media beat the shit out of her so much there was NOTHING left for them, she could have beaten Otraitorama and his completely unlovely bride, and Sheriff Joe.
And pardon me, but I am still chuckling over Moochelle getting boo'ed at NASCAR.

Posted by: Shame the Shameless at November 30, 2011 01:16 PM (TFeHR)

135
I've changed my views on many things over the last 41 years.
Yes I hate it when politicians act like politicians. I understand that it comes with the territory, and always has. I also understand that all these candidates who have been in politics longer than Cain have had to appeal to many different constituencies over times that continually change. Some of Reagan's policies would be unacceptable in a candidate today.
We need to make sure each of the candidate's current positions are set and clear before we choose our one to run against Obama. We need on paper, on video, and in debates statements that they can be held to for 4 or 8 years. We need to make clear what the consequences of breaking from thosestatements will be. Then, most importantly, we need to focus on electing the Senators and Congressmen to bring laws to support those statements to be signed.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 30, 2011 01:16 PM (ZG8Ti)

136
do you think Newt Gingrich could actually win the Presidency against Obama?
Posted by: Jeff B.



Well, above the fold over at Drudge:

The Newt Gingrich surge has moved him to the top of the polls in Iowa, big gains in New Hampshire and now a two-point edge over President Obama in a hypothetical general election match-up.A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds Gingrich attracting 45% of the vote while President Obama earns support from 43%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 30, 2011 01:17 PM (oBrVT)

137 When I am down and out. Feeling like I haven't got a friend in the world. Feel like everything and everyone is against me I remember one thing. No matter how bad it gets, no matter how down I am, I cheer up and remember one thing..........thank God I am not Alan Keyes.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 12:52 PM (OWjjx)
thats hillarious

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:17 PM (yAor6)

138 He is a janitor at some college isn't he? Wasn't that one of the things we learned about him a couple of years ago?
Posted by: toby928ゥ at November 30, 2011 01:15 PM (GTbGH)
That was his undergrad work. He aims to be a turd chaser as his lifes work.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:17 PM (OlN4e)

139 "Its not Romney-care, the program is called Mass-care" -- Willard Mittens Oba-romney


yikes.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 01:17 PM (rJVPU)

140 Geebus.. anyone but Romney.. and if its Romney.. then anyone but Obama.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at November 30, 2011 01:18 PM (qjUnn)

141 Rasmussen Reports: Gingrich 45% Obama 43%
my buddy JeffB picks the worst time to ask electability questions

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:19 PM (yAor6)

142 Geebus.. anyone but Romney.. and if its Romney.. then anyone but Obama.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at November 30, 2011 01:18 PM (qjUnn)
*applause* +1

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:20 PM (yAor6)

143 Good thing the polar bear hunting chick isn't electable ya know

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 30, 2011 01:20 PM (k6qqF)

144 A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds Gingrich attracting 45% of the vote while President Obama earns support from 43%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.
Nice. Very nice.

Posted by: reggie1971 at November 30, 2011 01:20 PM (b68Df)

145 A.B.O.

Posted by: Bosk at November 30, 2011 01:20 PM (n2K+4)

146 Good thing the polar bear hunting chick isn't electable ya know
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 30, 2011 01:20 PM (k6qqF)
dude...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:21 PM (yAor6)

147
I saw this interview.

Romney is a thin-skinned, entitled little prick.

I really don't want him as our president.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (Xm1aB)

148 What does it say about y'all that in the most important election in historyy'all's leading candidate is more of a liberal flip-flopper than John Kerry, that your latestand greatest not-Romney candidate was a useless and disgraced retread over a decade ago,and that by far your best candidate can't even crack 5% in most polls? From our standpoint, rubes,it says this: four ... more ... years. Heh.
Nominate Romney for us. Or Gingrich. At this point we really don't care. One is Kerry 2.0, the other is the white Alan Keyes,ifKeyes had had a serial bimbo fetish. LOL.

Posted by: David Axelrod at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (f8XyF)

149 I think Mr. Negative Charisma (Romney) should probably be a little wary of "going tough."

It does not come off well from him.

Newt may be this, he may be that - but at least he has some personal charm. That can be useful. And real charm, not the fake kind Barry supposedly had.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (SB0V2)

150 seriously did some Romneybots just run out of the blog completely?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (yAor6)

151 Good thing the polar bear hunting chick isn't electable ya know
All I want to know is when Palin will admit she has be ripping off my man Alan Keyes for year. Alan Keyes was Sarah Palin long before Sarah Palin was Sarah Palin.
My man Alan gets no respect from the Moron Hoard.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (OWjjx)

152 I watched that interview live. It was just stupid to be so combative with the base like that.

Most of us Repubs and right-wingers like Bret Baier. He's kind of becoming the face of the reasonable journalists at FoxNews. He's not an opinion guy, he doesn't get all emotional.

So picking a fight with him is just dumb.

Tactically, during the primary, a Repub candidate wants to pick fights with reporters at MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc, etc ... not FoxNews.

It forces the FNC viewers to pick sides, and we'll probably side with Baier and FNC.

Romney needed to show warmth and friendly disagreement. Not flinty condescension.

Dumb move.

Once you get the nomination, you can pick a fight with FoxNews to appeal to moderates. But not before.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 30, 2011 01:23 PM (QcFbt)

153 My man Alan gets no respect from the Moron Hoard.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (OWjjx)
I'll write him in for the FL primary for you Mallamutt
*shakes fist in unity*

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (yAor6)

154 This baffles me as well. He could have walked this back over the last
two years, told us what was done wrong, what right etc, but no. He has
insisted that the albatross around his neck is gold filigree.

Yeah. Even if he wanted to defend Romneycare, he could have said, "It was our first cut at the problem in Massachusetts. It's not perfect, but that's the point of Federalism -- you work out the kinks at the state level. But the SCOAMF went and duplicated it whole-hog, before we'd figured out how to fix the funding problem!"

That's the other thing that bugs me about Romney and Romneycare. He passed the thing during his one term, and instead of sticking around to fix the problems that will inevitably occur, he bails to run for president, and declares the program perfect.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (bjRNS)

155
Strategically speaking, Romney's problem is that he is not on the offensive, therefore leaving him open to attacks.

In politics you're either on the attack or on your heels.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (sqkOB)

156 If you guys are conservatives, then pick the most conservative candidate and stick with them. Newt isn't a conservative, neither is Romney. Neither is Perry. If I can see this, how come you guys can't see it? Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, both of whom did spectacular interviews with Glenn Beck are the conservative candidates. Heck even Huntsman is more conservative than Romney, Perry and Gingrich. And, Cain is more conservative than those three also.

You want to talk "flip flopping" then you had best look in the mirror first.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (oZfic)

157 my man Alan Keyes

I'm sorry. Who?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (8y9MW)

158 He gets points for chutzspah.
Yeah, His balls obscure his mangina.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (8ieXv)

159
I fear Romney will spend his presidential term picking fights with conservatives.

I suspect he is seething with rage that the "base" isn't welcoming him with open arms.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:25 PM (Xm1aB)

160 how many times a day do you think Pawlenty kicks himself in the ass for dropping out too soon?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 30, 2011 01:25 PM (SO2Q8)

161 Romney enjoys
eating KFC, but is sufficiently health conscious to pull the skin off
his chicken or the cheese off any pizza slice he eats.




Well, that's the last straw. Newt it is.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 30, 2011 01:03 PM (oBrVT)
hahah, what's the point of pizza without the cheese, why not buy breadsticks and dunk them in sauce instead!He is so wrong!

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (h+qn8)

162 let's just ignore the cat pee, it never works but let's just do it for now

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (yAor6)

163 From whatI noticed, it takes a lot for Baier to be "visibly surprised" by anything. How unsettling.

Posted by: Unruly at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (LL4jH)

164 how many times a day do you think Pawlenty kicks himself in the ass for dropping out too soon?

No, he had to drop out. Dude picked a fight with a girl*, and then wouldn't stand up to a guy (who he'd already talked bad about behind his back).

*Granted, we've discovered that T-Paw was right about Bachmann. What a nasty piece of work.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (bjRNS)

165
Does ace have a good excuse for not showing up around these parts yet?

I mean other than that he owns the place and can do what he damn well pleases?

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (Xm1aB)

166
For the Democrats to produce an attack ad this far in advance of the election for someone who is not even the nominee marks a huge blunder on Romney's camp.

In other words, politics is like shark-infested waters and if you spill just one drop of blood...

Romney's getting attacked by the Democrats because he's easy pickins. He looks weak and they can use his weakness to make themselves look strong. Very bad on Romney to allow this to happen.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (sqkOB)

167 And, Cain is more conservative than those three also. And a complete train wreck. With a horrible tax plan. And no idea about foreign policy. But other than that....yea, he is perfect. Just perfect.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:28 PM (OWjjx)

168 2. Austerity! Shrink our way to prosperity!


Hahahaha. Look at the committed Marxist, congenitally-unable to wrap his head around the fact that the redistributionist state creates not one silver dime of wealth.


Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2011 01:28 PM (Npcnj)

169 how many times a day do you think Pawlenty kicks himself in the ass for dropping out too soon?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 30, 2011 01:25 PM (SO2Q
Christ...How about Huck? or Ryan?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:28 PM (yAor6)

170 Here's the thing, the whole of Romney's argument that it was right for Mass. is all based on it's intentions. That is, everything it promised it would do is all that counts.
Romney doesn't defend it on it's results--NO! he's defending on the most liberal of liberal excuses: Good intentions.

As was said upstream: For a Immaculately Managed Decline-Romney 2012!

He'll buy into and support every stupid Dem idea because they will sell him on the intentions and he'll call us stupid if we dare discuss results.

Anyway, where is polynikes and jackstraw and pep? They need to jump in here STAT! And tell us how Romney really, really is a conservative.

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (ycMO4)

171 how many times a day do you think Pawlenty kicks himself in the ass for dropping out too soon?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 30, 2011 01:25 PM (SO2Q
Christ...How about Huck? or Ryan?
I could of been a contender.

Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (OWjjx)

172 No, he had to drop out. Dude picked a fight with a girl*, and then wouldn't stand up to a guy (who he'd already talked bad about behind his back).*Granted, we've discovered that T-Paw was right about Bachmann. What a nasty piece of work.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:27 PM (bjRNS)
oh I agree but from an outsider looking in, it was a horrible miscalculated move to drop out so soon

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (yAor6)

173 hahah, what's the point of pizza without the cheese, why not buy breadsticks and dunk them in sauce instead!

There are some cool pizzas you can make without cheese.

That doesn't help Mitt, though. Not only does he pick cheese off of pizza, he doesn't have the foresight to order a good one without.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (bjRNS)

174 Is Romney "Flip" and Gingrich "Flop" or vice versa?

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (WkuV6)

175 And, Cain is more conservative than those three also.

Yes, but does he know why? It doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (usXZy)

176
Romney doesn't hold grudges and he doesn't antagonize people. That's John McCain, not Mitt Romney.

But that's also the problem with Romney; he's not an aggressive politician.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (sqkOB)

177 Does ace have a good excuse for not showing up around these parts yet? Late night hobo hunt.

Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (OWjjx)

178 Late night hobo hunt.
Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:30 PM (OWjjx)
and you would know why Governor?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:31 PM (yAor6)

179 I could of been a contender.
Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:29 PM (OWjjx)
Yeah. Me too. But those debates just make me nod off.....

Posted by: Fearless (and so sleepy) Fred at November 30, 2011 01:31 PM (OlN4e)

180 @176

Respectfully disagree.

Mitt is seething with rage that he doesn't already have this baby wrapped up.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:31 PM (Xm1aB)

181 Heck even Huntsman is more conservative than Romney, Perry and Gingrich.
Bawhahahahahahahhahahaha.
Oh wait, your serious.
Bawhahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:31 PM (OWjjx)

182 Ndamukong Romney.

Posted by: Lojack at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (nrlvN)

183 Willard is a professional shape-shifter on every issue but one; much like his perfectly coiffed hair, his position on health care has never wavered.

And he's fucking proud of it, as in "principled" and such!

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (/ZZCn)

184 Oh wait, your serious.
Bawhahahahahahahaha
Posted by: Hailey Barbour at November 30, 2011 01:31 PM (OWjjx)
it comes with being a dumbass

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (yAor6)

185 Meicyslaw,There are some cool pizzas you can make without cheese.

it should then be called something other than pizza.
don't take my cheese!

unless it's gvt cheese, I heard it tastes nasty.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (h+qn8)

186 Ok...when I nod my head, you hit it.

Posted by: T-Paw at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (8ieXv)

187 Aww....friggin Haley Barbour sock.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and not the Governor at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (OWjjx)

188 Romney yenmoR

Posted by: Roy at November 30, 2011 01:32 PM (VndSC)

189 I always take my dicks with cheese!

Posted by: Ergie at November 30, 2011 01:33 PM (OlN4e)

190
Mitt does not know rage. Or anger.

He's a lot like Danny Ainge.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:33 PM (sqkOB)

191
And that's the best we can expect from Mitt when asked about his religion?

Weak tea.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (Xm1aB)

192 willow

gov't cheese plugs you up......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (SH3gZ)

193 where's Undead states w/ his snarky socks that dont answer questions on Romney, just gets off to his personal beef w/ Perry?
where's polynikes calling me a troll because I dare not like his boy Romney?
where's jackStraw to laugh about some RedState revenge for him?
seriously where all the Romneybots go?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (yAor6)

194 Oh and there is that other candidate who was all over CNBC this morning after the announcement.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (oZfic)

195 148

What does it say about y'all that in the most important election in
historyy'all's leading candidate is more of a liberal flip-flopper than
John Kerry, that your latestand greatest not-Romney candidate was a
useless and disgraced retread over a decade ago,and that by far your
best candidate can't even crack 5% in most polls? From our standpoint,
rubes,it says this: four ... more ... years. Heh.

Nominate Romney for us. Or Gingrich. At this point we really don't
care. One is Kerry 2.0, the other is the white Alan Keyes,ifKeyes had
had a serial bimbo fetish. LOL.

Posted by: David Axelrod at November 30, 2011 01:22 PM (f8XyF)
You forget "wither on the vine" from the left and "right-wing social engineering" from the right. Yeah, the DNC isn't even going to have to hire a production crew. They'll just have to wander over to the archives and re-play all the old hits.Shaping up to be the easiest re-election ever for the worst President ever.

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (ycMO4)

196 chokes ergie.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (h+qn8)

197 Huntsman is conservative? Did they change the meaning of that word or something?

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at November 30, 2011 01:35 PM (6IReR)

198 Hugh Hewitt will now play this interview on his show, declare it a sucess for Romney, and then claim Fox hates Romney

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:35 PM (yAor6)

199
Oh yeah, Mitt is full of rage.

Did you seem him get all red-faced while he was screaming at me in one of those stupid debates?

He even put his hand on me he was so pissed-off.

I thought I was gonna have to pull out my coyote gun.

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 30, 2011 01:35 PM (Xm1aB)

200 Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (oZfic)

How are those anal fissures doing? You should back off the glory-holing for a few weeks if you want to heal.

Posted by: Typical troublemaking moron at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (nEUpB)

201 America allowed the rise of a ruling class. We should not be surprised at their contempt for us now.
I won't vote for this man. He is not much better than The None.

Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (2Gb0y)

202 3 Now they want to have "gun control" even in your fantasies._________
IIRC, a few years ago a young boy got in trouble for biting a piece of toast into the shape of a gun during his school lunch.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (FzhYM)

203 C'mon, eggamoobymuffin, explain how the unparalleled expansion of the redistributionist state under God-Emperor Barky has propelled America to new heights of prosperity.

DO. IT.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (Npcnj)

204 Huntsman is conservative? Did they change the meaning of that word or something?
Why yes, yes we did.

Posted by: GOP at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (tf9Ne)

205 phoenix. I hadn't heard that, just another reason to distrust the gvt. hope they send a coupon for metumucil(sp) with that

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (h+qn8)

206 196 chokes ergie.
Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:34 PM (h+qn

Are you wearing a strap on? Its OK, just smear some pimento cheese spread on it first!

Posted by: Ergie at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (OlN4e)

207
The Legend of Mitt Romney continues.

He's seven feet tall and has six fingers on each hand. His hair is fire and he farts pure Febreze.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (sqkOB)

208 Electable?
Heh. No.

Posted by: Entropy at November 30, 2011 01:38 PM (UmXRO)

209 who is chuck norris for?

Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:38 PM (SH3gZ)

210 it should then be called something other than pizza.don't take my cheese!

Garlic white sauce.

I will say no more.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (bjRNS)

211
Huntsman is conservative? Did they change the meaning of that word or something?

The babbling Manhattan fuckwit's approach to words is just like Humpty Dumpty's.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (Npcnj)

212 who is chuck norris for?
Posted by: phoenixgirl..(oZfic) is cat piss at November 30, 2011 01:38 PM (SH3gZ)
Chuck Norris is for no one because that would imply Chuck Norris will gamble w/ failure at picking the winner

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (yAor6)

213
Romney's eyes can see right through you and his teeth are made from the bones of unborn babies.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (sqkOB)

214 Posted by: Ergie at November 30, 2011 01:37 PM (OlN4e)

Ewwww!

You should be put down like a mad dog for that comment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (nEUpB)

215 Rhetorical question of the day: how is G*d's name does Bumbles even garner 43% in a match up w/ Gingrich? It's a bit disheartening.

Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (ycuSb)

216
I read a story the other day about Romney getting handcuffed and arrested in front of his wife and kids after he blew-off a ranger who warned him that his yacht (story said "boat", but I'm guessing here) wasn't properly marked.

Yeah, sounds like a cool-headed dude to me.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (Xm1aB)

217 just ew.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (h+qn8)

218
btw, Malamutt, nice prayer in the thread below


Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (sqkOB)

219 Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (bjRNS)

Yes, but it's even better on a base of ricotta.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (nEUpB)

220 146. Can't help it, I'm still bitter and she still is very pleasant to look at

151. You owe me a new iPhone for the coffee spewed

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (k6qqF)

221 Huntsman is conservative? Did they change the meaning of that word or something?

I think the question of whether Hunstman is more conservative less liberal than Mittens is a fair question, especially on foreign policy.

Posted by: Bob Saget at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (SDkq3)

222 The babbling Manhattan fuckwit's approach to words is just like Humpty Dumpty's.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2011 01:39 PM (Npcnj)
Guys come on, stop starting fights with her, let's all be nice. It's our blog and we'll run it like we damn well please. We'll go to the facebook group and snipe at you there too!

Posted by: Co-Bloggers Unite! at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (yAor6)

223 meicyslaw, you win, I Love garlic white sauce.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (h+qn8)

224 200
Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (oZfic)

How are those anal fissures doing? You should back off the glory-holing for a few weeks if you want to heal.


Posted by: Typical troublemaking moron at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (nEUpB)
That's a disgusting thing to say to anyone. I bet you look great in your torn underwear in your mom's basement and wouldn't have the courage to say that to anyone, to their face.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (oZfic)

225 I think the question of whether Hunstman is more conservative less liberal than Mittens is a fair question, especially on foreign policy.
Posted by: Bob Saget at November 30, 2011 01:40 PM (SDkq3)
if Mitt wants the base to embrace him he needs to pray Hunstman becomes the next anti-Romney

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (yAor6)

226 Thanks sooth.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and not the Governor at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (OWjjx)

227 My shifting positions mean I'm not shiftless.

Posted by: Mittens! at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (FcR7P)

228 Jeze, that ergie is one sick disgusting sumbitch. Probably posting from a state institution, or a bath house.

Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:42 PM (OlN4e)

229 That's a disgusting thing to say to anyone.
the one who attacks military moms people w/ handicaps lectures...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:42 PM (yAor6)

230 jeeze.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:42 PM (h+qn8)

231
geese

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:43 PM (Xm1aB)

232 151. You owe me a new iPhone for the coffee spewed
Well, the next time I am in East St. Louis I will see if I can trade a dime bag for a new iPhone for you, o.k.?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and not the Governor at November 30, 2011 01:43 PM (OWjjx)

233 meicyslaw, you win, I Love garlic white sauce.

No, I lose. Now I'm thinkin' about pizza.

I want one right now, damnit!

(If the wife is lurking: we're going to Pernicano's tonight, and getting a Handlebar.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:43 PM (bjRNS)

234 Jeze, that ergie is one sick disgusting sumbitch. Probably posting from a state institution, or a bath house.
Posted by: maddogg at November 30, 2011 01:42 PM (OlN4e)
wasn't there some claim ergie is some dude who uses the library to get on the net?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:43 PM (yAor6)

235 Romney flips on everything EXCEPT Romneycare?

Fuck Romney with the flaming fuckstick of death.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at November 30, 2011 01:44 PM (16UJh)

236 Gingrich will stab you in the back. It's what he does.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 30, 2011 01:44 PM (VfmLu)

237 meicyslaw,
pizza
pizza
pizza. with cheeeeeeeeese garlic white sauce.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:45 PM (h+qn8)

238 Insider Advantage (grain of salt) says Gingrich is up big in my state of FL

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:45 PM (yAor6)

239
You really have to be an enormous prick if, among politicians, you stand out as an egomaniac.

Congrats Newt.

Shit, they'll have to build an addition to the Oval Office just to squeeze the prick's head in the door.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (Xm1aB)

240 My man Alan gets no respect from the Moron Hoard.
Wait, we're hoarding Morons now? I try to work at work and see what I miss!
Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (VtjlW)

241
Newt just said he'd lead a marching band while following Obama around the country.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (sqkOB)

242 Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not

I just noticed that! I love it.

That was amusing in the Doom thread; being chastised for troll bashing.

"I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (nEUpB)

243 OT- Christine from the John Gibson show is one hot chick

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (yAor6)

244 Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard. alex

alex, you look lovely today, wink.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (h+qn8)

245 I was against Mitt Romney before I was for him.

Posted by: John Kerry at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (+hPIb)

246 I wish Perry would step his game up.

Choosing between Newty and Mittens is like choosing between a solid shit sandwich and a diarrhea shit sandwich.

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 01:48 PM (P1nni)

247 I just noticed that! I love it.That was amusing in the Doom thread; being chastised for troll bashing.
it translated over to the facebook group as well, that's all Ill say on that

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:48 PM (yAor6)

248
Newt just challenged Michelle Obama to a shopping spree at Target.

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (sqkOB)

249 Imagine a SCOAMF Mittens debate. Right now one of the biggest jobs/economykiller is Obamacare. Romney's response.........Uhhhh well mine sucked a little less. And my hair is fanfuckingtastic!

It's one thing to change positions over the years. Hell everyone feels different about many things over time. But when you realize something was a huge mistake like Romneycare you don't double down on teh stooopid.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (mt5iA)

250 232. Now you need to pay to clean the coffee off my dash

Man, I need like coffee gum

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (k6qqF)

251 "climate change, abortion, immigration, and gay rights"

Not important issues.

Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (XJYf4)

252
Did I hear someone say Mitt was considering Ayotte as a possible VP pick?

That would be a perfect fit.

I just watched her the other night gushing and guffawing over John McCain as her "mentor" and a "man of principle."

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (Xm1aB)

253 Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard.
Take him.......please.

Posted by: Mrs. Mallamutt at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (OWjjx)

254 Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard. alex

alex, you look lovely today, wink.


Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:47 PM (h+qn

Hey! Look at these!

Posted by: eastvalleyphx dangling a fabulous pair of Stompy Boots at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (qiOph)

255
Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard.

You look lovely today and everyday, m'lady! *wink, wink*.
And you need more than one scientist in your hoard, right?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (9hSKh)

256 I wish Perry would step his game up.
He has, quite frankly. It's just that no one is paying attention now. With the exception of debates, Perry is better on every particular than either Romney or Gingrich.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (8y9MW)

257
Jordan, do you have something you'd like to say?


Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (sqkOB)

258 alex , would you like a cup of tea?

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (h+qn8)

259 Gibson is awesome for not preaching to the chorus but his Romney-bias is getting downright embarassing, not yet in Jen Rubin levels though...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (yAor6)

260 pizza. with cheeeeeeeeese garlic white sauce.

You know what's worse? I did a quick 'net trawl to look for a link to such a pizza, and ran across a different one at Mountain Mike's: spicy-Louisiana-sausage and hot peppers.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (bjRNS)

261 的f you
are not, then you have certainly been deceiving us all in a very
inexcusable manner. I hope you have not been leading a double life,
pretending to be wicked liberal and being really good conservative all the time. That
would be hypocrisy. - The Importance of Being Ernest Romney

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (AQD6a)

262 I wish Perry would step his game up.
Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 01:48 PM (P1nni)

I just saw something on Twitter where he's at 2%(!) in Florida.

The guy is in Huntsman territory. Actually, I take that back. Huntsman is in double digits in NH.

Perry is done, done, done and he ain't coming back.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (2f1Rs)

263 ah Jordan, mr vote for Obama in 2012 if Mitt aint the nominee

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (yAor6)

264 Hey! Look at these!


Posted by: eastvalleyphx dangling a fabulous pair of Stompy Boots at November 30, 2011 01:49 PM (qiOph)
no fair! she will throw me off the possible pick list now!

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (h+qn8)

265 "ah Jordan, mr vote for Obama in 2012 if Mitt aint the nominee"

Even if he is the nominee.

Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (XJYf4)

266 Reggie1971

Do you know that most of the polls in the internals show that up to 60% of the respondents could change their minds.

Do you know that Insider Advantage consistently polls Democrats for the South Carolina Republican primary? Lat time they polled 15 Dems but that was out of only 519 respondents.

Do you know that Public Policy Polling is a Democrat polling firm but they poll like every three days so that their polls appear to be a preponderance of the evidence-yet maybe we should remember the adage-"quality over quantity".

Finally two of the most quoted polls ARG and Insider Advantage rank as the most unreliable pollsters out of many.

The only poll ranking as more unreliable are Zogby's internet polls and if you understand the concept of "self-selection" amongst respondents and the importance of randomization you get why that would be.

Ratings for firms with at least 10 polls:

Field Poll
ABC/Washington Post
SurveyUsa
Ciruli
Ohio
Selzer & Co.
NBC/Wall Street Journal
AP GfK
Mason Dixon
Pew Research
Market Shares
Gallup
Public Policy Polling
Blum & Weprin
Rasmussen Reports
RT Strategies
FairLeigh Dickenson
Rutgers
Marist
Siena
Strategic Vision
Tarrance
CNN/Opinion Research
CBS/New York Times
U Massachusetts
KRC Communications Research
U New Hampshire
National Journal
Franklin & Marshall
Richard Day Research
Elway
RKM Research
Albuquerque Journal
LA Times
Global Strategy Group
Hotline/Diageo
Mitchell
YouGov/Economist/PoliMetrix
EPIC/MRA
IBD/TPP
Garren Hart Yang
Gannett Monmouth
Newsweek
Harris Interactive
Quinnipiac
FOX/Opinion Dynamics
Star Tribune
Suffolk
Muhlenberg
Battleground
Zogby(telephone)
GQR Democracy Corps
Dan Jones
Franklin Pierce
Big Ten
Columbus Dispatch
Opinion Research Associated
Research 2000
Public Opinion Strategies
American Research Group
Insider Advantage
Zogby (internet)

(Source:FiveThirtyEight via Katrina Trinko at NRO)




Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (rJVPU)

267 I just saw something on Twitter where he's at 2%(!) in Florida. The guy is in Huntsman territory. Actually, I take that back. Huntsman is in double digits in NH. Perry is done, done, done and he ain't coming back.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (2f1Rs)
yep, it sucks, I gave money to the guy and supported him. Its over but most folks on here wont let it go until its actually gone

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (yAor6)

268 236 Gingrich will stab you in the back. It's what he does.
And Mitt is such a calculating fence riding middle squish, that he will stab you in both the front and the back. Then call you ignorant for not appreciating what he did to you.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (mt5iA)

269 Yeah as much as Newt annoys me with his idiotic statements like "global warming is caused by us" and "we need government health care!" at least he doesn't try to lie about it and talks right to us about how he changed his mind and sees that idea was wrong.


I'll allow a politician to change their minds, but I won't support them if they lie about it or act like it never happened.


Maybe its unfair but Romney strikes me as a guy who thinks he can get anyone to believe anything and get away with anything.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (r4wIV)

270
For the life of me, I cannot understand why Newt is trumping Perry as the not-Romney.

Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (Xm1aB)

271 meicyslaw, sounds decadent, i'm famished lets sneak off and get one. perhaps share with Alex, if she's nice?

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:53 PM (h+qn8)

272
Jordan, as a longtime Republican and conservative, how do you feel about climate change and abortion and gay rights?

Posted by: Soothsayer 2020 at November 30, 2011 01:53 PM (sqkOB)

273 He has, quite frankly. It's just that no one is paying attention now.

It's one of my recurring gripes about this election. I was hoping the style-over-substance problem was a uniquely liberal problem.

But, no. It's human nature.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 01:53 PM (bjRNS)

274 I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2011 01:46 PM (VtjlW)
What kind of food you got, and are hoarded morons expected to put out?

Posted by: Just asking the questions everyone wants to at November 30, 2011 01:53 PM (hsIYw)

275 Perry is done, done, done and he ain't coming back.
I would generally agree with you, except for the fact that being done this year doesn't always mean you are done.
Case in point: Newt Gingrich. Remember his roll out - could not have gone worse if Newt tried.
Yet, here he is, now surging.
Its a strange year. If I were a betting man, I would say Perry is done.
Oh, and the fact that at this time 4 years ago, Guillani was up huge and McCain was in, well, Perry's range.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (OWjjx)

276
Hmm. I'm trying to determine which of y'all are worthy to be in my hoard.

You look lovely today and everyday, m'lady! *wink, wink*.
And you need more than one scientist in your hoard, right?


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2011 01:50 PM (9hSKh)

--Could I be your Spelling/Grammar Czar?

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (P1nni)

277 Even if he is the nominee.
Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (XJYf4)
ah so you would vote for the worst Prez since Jimmy Carter, a man that saw debt and deficit reach new levels, all the while gas prices stayed turbulent as did the stock market and that poverty rate got higher. You sir are one big dumbass

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (yAor6)

278 Yikes, I feel like I'm missing out on the moron hoard or something.

Posted by: Unruly at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (LL4jH)

279 246 comments in? Okay, I think I can go OT. But to keep it a little on-topic...
We know that Romney changes his stripes to suit the political jungle of the moment. Obama doesn't do that. No sirree. Obama does what Obama wants to do, and damn the consequences. For example:
President Obama Holding THREE Traffic-Snarling Fundraisers In New York City Tonight, on Same Night As RockefellerTree Lighting(link to Mediaite)
Oh, wait. That headline is misleading. Only THREE of the SCOAMF's appearances are fundraisers. The third is a "holiday reception." Because that's nothing like a fundraiser at all.
The NY Post isn't thrilled.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (4df7R)

280 "Jordan, as a longtime Republican and conservative, how do you feel about climate change and abortion and gay rights?"

No opinion on climate change. I support the right to choose. Gays should have equal rights. And I'm not a Republican.

Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (XJYf4)

281

Maybe its unfair but Romney strikes me as a guy who thinks he can get anyone to believe anything and get away with anything.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2011 01:52 PM (r4wIV)

Sounds like ... like ... hmmmmm. Sounds like someone we know. Can't remember the name ...

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (qiOph)

282 I wonder how much money Perry has left to talk to the upcoming primary states. Seems like he's running his campaign like he's running for Gov instead of for POTUS. He's got good ideas. Needs more exposure.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (bj+Nc)

283 Perry is done, done, done and he ain't coming back.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM (2f1Rs)

--Crap. Pawlenty would also have been preferable to Mewt.

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 01:56 PM (P1nni)

284 No opinion on climate change. I support the right to choose. Gays should have equal rights. And I'm not a Republican.
Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 01:55 PM (XJYf4)
well I agree w/ you on Gays, disagree on the right to "choose" (more like murder), but seems you believe that raising taxes and spending will help the economy so please sir tell me when that has ever worked?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 01:56 PM (yAor6)

285 don't horde the grammar skills logprof

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:56 PM (h+qn8)

286 I just saw something on Twitter where he's at 2%(!) in Florida.

The guy is in Huntsman territory. Actually, I take that back. Huntsman is in double digits in NH.

Perry is done, done, done and he ain't coming back.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 01:51 PM

Which polling company-where do they rank on the above list?

If it's Insider Advantage again for some weird reason they poll Democrats in South Carolina (can someone explain that-I need to go google if South Carolina allows Dems to vote in their Republican primaries) and-

some 60 companies allow for less error and therefore most likely have a better methodology than-

Insider Advantage.

Gross performance, actually.

Near malpractice....

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 01:57 PM (rJVPU)

287 Steyn on Newt:
"All the action is in the adverbs. One of my problems again with Newt is
like he痴 bursting with ideas that sound all as if they are coming from
a self-help manual. If you remember back in his heyday, he had
something called 'The Triangle of American Progress.' And that evolved
into the 'Four Pillars of American Civilization, which in turn expanded
into the 詮ive Pillars of the Twenty-First Century."

All "big" ideas, all the time; no action, no results. They guy is out of office for over a decade and one of his first big splashes on the national stage was to endorse the Republican who turned around and endorsed the Democrat?

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 30, 2011 01:58 PM (ycMO4)

288 DrewM, srsly Perry is done?

so just mitt and newt ?
will we win with either?

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:58 PM (h+qn8)

289 16 So why is it again our leading candidates spent a lot of time on the wrong side of the issues? Why don't we have a candidate who has consistently opposed AGW for example?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 30, 2011 12:41 PM (7BU4a)
Ahem. Rick Santorum.

Posted by: EyeTest at November 30, 2011 01:58 PM (ReC4P)

290 Jordan is just another bag of dicks. Pass the cheese spread, or better yet, the catfish bait!

Posted by: Ergie at November 30, 2011 02:00 PM (OlN4e)

291 Next week, we go to alexthechick's house for a very special episode of Hoarding: Morons Alive. Viewer discretion is advised.

Posted by: reason at November 30, 2011 02:00 PM (V40IZ)

292 All of the Republican candidates are flawed. You have no choice but to sit out the next election in protest of their flaws.


They are running against a perfect man - The Obama. Who else has caused the seas to roll back from their relentless rise? Who else has brought Hope and Change to the downtrodden masses? Do not the Crowds chant his name? Obama... Obama... Obama... Is not the name of the United States of America in the prayers of even our sworn enemies? Did he not warn you that if you voted for the evil McCain that everything would be worse? In this election the perfect man who has kept his every promise now promises all of you something entirely new, radical, and different from anything you have seen before; Change and Hope!

Four more years...
Four more years...
Four more years...

Paid political advertisement.

Posted by: Committee to Re-elect the President Joseph Goebbles chairman. at November 30, 2011 02:01 PM (ylhEn)

293 For the life of me, I cannot understand why Newt is trumping Perry as the not-Romney.

...because their memory hasn't been refreshed yet.

And it's a sticky subject for a Republican candidate I wouldn't recommend the attack.

Yet, trust me the Democrats and the Liberal media will be up for the task-we'll have to leave it to them.

And, it'll have a perverse life-everyone would rather be distracted by sex- rather than face -

The Economy.

Particularly -the Obama campaign staff.

We'll get to reargue the Cllnton years.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:02 PM (rJVPU)

294 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 01:54 PM (OWjjx)

We're less than 5 weeks out from Iowa and people are going to start tuning out for the holidays.

If Newt wins Iowa and it's close in NH (or Newt wins there) what's the point of Perry?

If this all backed up and we had 2 or 3 months to go, I could see a Newt drop and the rise of the next Not Romney. Now? Not enough time.

Timing is everything and Newt seems to have it.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (2f1Rs)

295 For the life of me, I cannot understand why Newt is trumping Perry as the not-Romney.
well to be fair, Newt remembers his arguments and doesn't forget those who are 18 can vote

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (yAor6)

296 Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (2f1Rs)
so Drew I remember half-mocking you for supporting Newt, how delighted are you he's where he's at now?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Interviewing Co-Bloggers at November 30, 2011 02:04 PM (yAor6)

297 @287

See, it isn't hypocritical at all to make that argument when I am in part considered a member of the conservative intellectuals in part because of my accent and big words!

Posted by: Mark Steyn at November 30, 2011 02:08 PM (BBlzg)

298 If this all backed up and we had 2 or 3 months to go, I could see a Newt drop and the rise of the next Not Romney. Now? Not enough time. Timing is everything and Newt seems to have it.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (2f1Rs)
You'd be surprised at how fast Newt can drop.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 30, 2011 02:11 PM (hsIYw)

299 well to be fair, Newt remembers his arguments and doesn't forget those who are 18 can vote
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 02:03 PM (yAor6)
And also that NH has a primary, not a caucus.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 30, 2011 02:11 PM (4df7R)

300 "seems you believe that raising taxes and spending will help the economy so please sir tell me when that has ever worked?"

You have me confused with someone else. Everything has to be cut to the bone if we want to eliminate deficits and debt. I don't think fiscal policy has a large impact on the economy. Instead of worrying about what's best for the economy, fiscal policy should be aimed at balancing the budget.

Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 02:12 PM (XJYf4)

301 so just mitt and newt ?will we win with either?
Posted by: willow at November 30, 2011 01:58 PM (h+qn
If by "win" you mean, "replace a Big Government 'D' with a Big Government 'R'", then possibly, yes.
Electing either of these guys is a vote for No Real Change in Washington.
There are better candidates still in the running. As of right now, we still have the option to support any one of them.I, for one,refuse to let meaningless polls or the media select my candidate. I will stand with someone who knows who they are and what they believe, and who has the guts to standup forthose beliefs.

Posted by: EyeTest at November 30, 2011 02:14 PM (ReC4P)

302 You have me confused with someone else. Everything has to be cut to the bone if we want to eliminate deficits and debt. I don't think fiscal policy has a large impact on the economy. Instead of worrying about what's best for the economy, fiscal policy should be aimed at balancing the budget.
Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 02:12 PM (XJYf4)
so you want to be a budget hawk while voting for the guy who wants the budget to keep running deficits? you are a dumbass...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Wants oZfic Gone Whether The Co-Bloggers Like It or Not at November 30, 2011 02:14 PM (yAor6)

303 157 my man Alan Keyes
I'm sorry. Who?_______
Used to have a show on MSNBC.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2011 02:14 PM (IrbU4)

304 this all backed up and we had 2 or 3 months to go, I could see a Newt drop and the rise of the next Not Romney. Now? Not enough time. Timing is everything and Newt seems to have it.
Yes, timing is everything. Well, a lot of things. But those who fail to learn history, Drew, are doomed to repeat it.
So, lets hit the way back machine. Relax, we are not going far back....January, 2004, Iowa.
With 2 weeks to go, Dean and Gephart were battling to win it and Kerry and Edwards were being dismissed. And what happened.
Dean and Gephart decided to go on a scortched earth mission with the other. Driving both of their negatives through the roof. And Kerry and Edwards...decided to pay nice. Seeing their positives shot through the roof. And we also saw just how broad but thin Dean's support was......his kids would show up for flash mobs but a living room in Auntie Gertie's house...uh, nope, not cool enough.
Remember, Iowa is a different beast. Its a caucus. And if you don't get 15% at the caucus site, you get to pick again. So, tell me who the 2nd choices are of each candidate and I can tell you who is going to surprise you in Iowa.
You are probably right. But, that is what makes politics so much fun....you never know till you know.

Posted by: Donut at November 30, 2011 02:15 PM (OWjjx)

305 Aw friggin donut sock. Why the hell on every god blessed serious post I do I forget to remove the damn sock.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:15 PM (OWjjx)

306 Plus the Dems are already circulating a video of Gingrich talking up the individual mandate with-

Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:16 PM (rJVPU)

307 Remember, Iowa is a different beast. Its a caucus. And if you don't get 15% at the caucus site, you get to pick again. So, tell me who the 2nd choices are of each candidate and I can tell you who is going to surprise you in Iowa.

Even I forget this-and pray tell how do you "poll" for that?

yet everyone chases after the polling results from-

Iowa.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:19 PM (rJVPU)

308
So, tell me who the 2nd choices are of each candidate and I can tell you who is going to surprise you in Iowa.

Seems to be the 2nd choice is always one of the Not-Romneys.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2011 02:21 PM (IkTb7)

309 If it's Insider Advantage again for some weird reason they poll
Democrats in South Carolina (can someone explain that-I need to go
google if South Carolina allows Dems to vote in their Republican
primaries) and-

We have open primaries in SC. You can be either an R or D and vote in the R primary. We don't declare an affiliation to one party or the other upon registration. So dems can vote in our primary all the live long day for the crappiest R candidate out there...all to their benefit, of course.

Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at November 30, 2011 02:21 PM (ycuSb)

310 The other point I will make, Drew, about why this year is more violatile than others is that for the most part, if polling is to be believed, about 60% of the GOP electorate admits that it is open to changing their mind.
Other than Romney's 25%, it seems a lot of voters are willing to chase the "next hot thing".
Which is sort of similar to the Democrats in 2008. Obama was running 3rd in Iowa until the Jefferson Day Speech in Des Moines, where the legend of his great "oratory" was born. And launched him on his way. This electorate seems even more fluid than that.
I have no idea what is or is not going to win this. However, if Newt was paying me to advise him, I would strongly suggest he not try to run the clock out.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:22 PM (OWjjx)

311 "Why the hell on every god blessed serious post I do I forget to remove the damn sock."
It's okay, man. It happens to the best of us.

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 30, 2011 02:22 PM (V40IZ)

312 285 don't horde the grammar skills logprof____________
For the Horde!!!!

Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2011 02:24 PM (FzhYM)

313 "so you want to be a budget hawk while voting for the guy who wants the budget to keep running deficits? you are a dumbass..."

No Republican has ever lowered deficits. Bush more than doubled them. Reagan tripled them. Boehner has outspent Pelosi. Neither party is serious about reducing the deficit, and I am in closer agreement with the Dems on many other issues. Plus, I still have a Bush hangover.


Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 02:24 PM (XJYf4)

314 Even I forget this-and pray tell how do you "poll" for that? yet everyone chases after the polling results from- Iowa.
Seems to be the 2nd choice is always one of the Not-Romneys.
Actually, it gets a little weirder. When the caucus starts, everyone goes off to a corner of the room (or their designated spot) of their candidate. Then, if you have 15% you go to the next round.....if not, well, you are released and get to go to another candidate. Which is why who you have in the room matters. Your local Mayor, or alderman can be a big help in rounding up those strays. A very popular person in the community with a desire to go the state convention (yup, your not picking who goes the national convention in January, you are picking who goes to the state convention, where they will pick who goes to the national convention) can be a big help there. And your college kids supporting a candidate who do not know anyone (see, e.g. Dean) sit there and stare out across the abyss and wonder what the hell is going on.
Iowa is just one weird place.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:26 PM (OWjjx)

315 Lady in Black

Thanks. Didn't know that.

Why the hell would they only poll 15 Dems...out of 519 respondents then?

I guess that must be the exit poll modeling but I like how-when they give these polling results- they don't inform the public that South Carolina is an "open" primary....

Hell is the first non-caucus closed primary -

Florida?

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:26 PM (rJVPU)

316 So dems can vote in our primary all the live long day for the crappiest R candidate out there...all to their benefit, of course.

Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhh.....!!111

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:28 PM (rJVPU)

317 No Republican has ever lowered deficits.

Hey, now...

Posted by: Calvin Coolidge at November 30, 2011 02:28 PM (w1/pI)

318 Look, I loveMark Steyn, but hepushed Willard in '08 because we supposedlyneeded his kind of businesstalent andthen said a few months ago thatthese talents make him a managerial progressive. Now he seems to get ready to do the Romney danceall over again, not unlike Coulter.Im quite pissed with a lot of conservative commentators for promoting that phony in the first place and now they seem to be ready to make the same mistake again. At least politicianslike Willard and Newtare confronted with andforced to give explanations for their flipflops. With our commentariat it is as if we have alwaysbeen at war withEurasia.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 30, 2011 02:28 PM (97AKa)

319 OK Calvin, you got me!

Posted by: Jordan at November 30, 2011 02:29 PM (XJYf4)

320 Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 30, 2011 02:28 PM (97AKa)

--As lame as Mitt is, I still felt he was better than McCain in '08. That's probably Steyn's take as well.

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 02:30 PM (P1nni)

321 Even I forget this-and pray tell how do you "poll" for that? yet everyone chases after the polling results from- Iowa. There is only one way. You have to poll every damn caucus site. And in addition to asking the standard questions, ask who your second and third choice is.
And try to model from that.
Which is way too expensive.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:31 PM (OWjjx)

322 horde. not hoard.

Posted by: grognard at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (NS2Mo)

323 Fuck it. 300 posts in and I'm not even counting the threadjacks, erg droppings and racism.
I get flamed every time I say I'll either stay home or vote for the SCOAMF if Flip Flopney gets the nod. But this interview wraps up everything I hate about Romney in one shitstained package - condescension, arrogance, smarminess and outrightto yourface lying. We already have one smooth-looking lying bastard in the White House; why on earth should the GOP put up another one? Mittens has no principles except I'm Mitt Romney, dammit! He and Huntsman are cut from the same cloth - collaborationist RINO fucksticks who think they're entitled to the nomination.
I don't want Manager Romney. I want a scorched earth campainger who will spit at the ememedia every time they talk to him. I want a brass-balled bastard who will point at the SCOAMF in a debate and say "turn off your teleprompter, Barry and tell me what your golf handicap is. In Austrian. And hey, when we kick your coke-snorting ass out, do we get a refund on all those greens fees of yours we've been picking up?"
Romney will not cut anything. Romney will not starve the beast. Romney will stab us in the back by rim-jobbing his "good friends" on the left. If the GOP wants to go to hell with this lying, hollow suit, they can go. But I'll be damned if I get nagged into eating this shit sandwich again.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Clitoris at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (zF6Iw)

324 Mallamutt

Yep, which is why the pollsters just make it up.

******


This commenter at NRO might have it nailed-

JPMulhern : 11/30/11 13:54
Gingrich could never have played Romney's establishment role. Nor could Romney ever have enjoyed a Cain/Gingrich polling bubble.
The only reason Gingrich can be taken seriously as the anti-Romney, even briefly, is that he is a preposterous presidential candidate. For a party, much of which is desperate to make a dramatic break with business as usual, Romney is way too conventional. He a second-generation Republican grandee (been there, done that), a former governor and a second-time presidential candidate. He's the prototypical Republican front-runner and therefore anathema to voters who ache fror something different.
Gingrich, like Cain before him, is different. Nobody remotely like him has ever won a major party presidential nomination. That's his strength. It's also his weakness. Nobody remotely like him is going to get close to a nomination this year either.
We would all do well to stop trying to make sense of the Gingrich bubble. It doesn't make sense. Besides, the bubble will pop before a conversation about it could really get going. Newt's whole appeal is that he's a non-starter and, whatever they may tell pollsters at this point, most people aren't going to vote for a non-starter.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (rJVPU)

325 Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 02:30 PM (P1nni)
I actually dont agree with that. At first I backed Teh Fred and when he dropped out I went with McCain, because even though he is quite a rotten progressive, I was able to sit in my car close my eyes and say "he is staunchly pro-life, he is a national security hawk" over and over again to myself, when I drove to the voting booth. McCain is a progressive with onlya few but proven, reliablyconservative positions that made it possible for me to vote for him.
Willard had and hasno such thing.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (97AKa)

326 Sounds like the guy reads Drew....

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (rJVPU)

327 I feel a disturbance in the force.

It appears the moron nation is moving to the salamander.

They can breath underwater, you know that right?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (hXJOG)

328 Yep, which is why the pollsters just make it up. Its not that they make it up, its just that there modeling is inadequate.
They are trying to safety test car crashes at 60 mph when the tracks they are operating on only gives the car enough speed to get to 50 mph.
They are in the ballpark, you just don't know if they are standing on home plate or the warning track in dead centerfield. And if the wind is blowing out or in.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (OWjjx)

329 Rush is busy dissecting the claims of the most recent Cain accuser. He's making great points, that a real MSM should have made.

What's happening with Cain is that people are saying "well, if Cain is such a threat to the guy who already has the job and to the other republicans wanting the job, then perhaps, I should be taking another look at him".

It's going to backfire on them, whoever they are.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 02:44 PM (oZfic)

330 He's the prototypical Republican front-runner and therefore anathema to voters who ache fror something different.
Which brings me to another theory I have been debating.........is 2012 worth it?
It is pretty clear that the GOP electorate wants something different. Wants something new, more conservative than what we currently have, but experienced, not neophyte gaffe prone.
And the problem is that candidate does not exist. Why, cause the defeats of 2006 and 2008 wiped out the GOP bench.
Which may mean we have to wait till 2016 to get the candidate we want, when the bench fillers of 2010 and, hopefully, 2012, are ready to take the next step.
Let's be clear: the field of 2008 and 2012 has been, disappointing. On the surface the candidates all had fine credentials. But there was none of that 3 M magic (the candidate with the message, the money and the machine) to really give one confidence that it can be pulled off.
Maybe 2012 isn't the time. Maybe 2012 is the time to do a holding action. Maybe 2016 (or 2020) is the time to take the party and the country in a different direction.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (OWjjx)

331 Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Interviewing Co-Bloggers at November 30, 2011 02:04 PM (yAor6)

Not very.

Newt was always a protest vote for me. I'm under no illusions about his faults and heresies.

I just can not and will not vote for Romney to be the nominee. He has all of Newts policy problems with none of the upsides. Newt has done some liberal things in the past but he's done some conservative ones too. Mitt? Not a single conservative accomplishment and plenty of liberal talk to go with it.

Look at it this way...Welfare reform v. RomneyCare. Advantage: Newt.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (2f1Rs)

332 What's happening with Cain is that people are saying "well, if Cain is such a threat to the guy who already has the job and to the other republicans wanting the job, then perhaps, I should be taking another look at him".No its not. What is happening with Cain is that voters are leaving him in droves. Please spin your fantasies about Herman some where else. I am out of forks to put in him.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:49 PM (OWjjx)

333 What's happening with Cain is that people are saying "well, if Cain is
such a threat to the guy who already has the job and to the other
republicans wanting the job, then perhaps, I should be taking another
look at him".

That is quite possibly the dumbest argument Rush trots out from time to time. The other candidates in the race aren't causing Cain's problems - he's self-destructing all on his own. All of his wounds are self-administered.

Posted by: Calvin Coolidge at November 30, 2011 02:51 PM (w1/pI)

334 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (OWjjx)

Waiting for 2016 would be great for conservatives but not the country.

Country first.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (2f1Rs)

335 Newt or Mitt...

I'll admit I go back and forth...

Mitt's Electability vs. Gingrich on National Defense and foreign policy- I consider Le Mitten to be extremely weak in this area that is a strength of Gingrich's.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (rJVPU)

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Drew,


Thankfully, there is no way that Obama will be able to cherry pick from Newt's problematic past and thereby define him early in the minds of voters. For instance, the average voter won't be disturbed when it is emphasized that Newt Gingrich is the only Speaker of the House to have ever been sanctioned for Ethics Violations for which he was fined hundreds of thousands of dollars. The fact that he subsequently resigned in disgraced won't even be mildly interesting to voters. No one seems to remember that it was virtually impossible to demonized Newt Gingrich in the minds of the American public. -Bill Clinton remembers what a fool's errand that was!

And it is simply not true that we are throwing away a massive strategic advantage by nominating our most divisive candidate to run against one of the most divisive presidents in history. The American people won't be forced to choose between two divisive figures one of which is more charismatic that the other and has better name ID. Yeah, there's no way this going to become a close, competitive election. It's going to be a cakewalk no matter who nominate. So electability is a nonissue anyway.




Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 02:54 PM (SV650)

337
What's happening with Cain is that people are saying "well, if Cain
is such a threat to the guy who already has the job and to the other
republicans wanting the job, then perhaps, I should be taking another
look at him".

It's going to backfire on them, whoever they are.


Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 02:44 PM (oZfic)
The accidental presidential campaign is morphing back into the book promotion tour that it was always intended to be.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 30, 2011 02:56 PM (rLhp2)

338 Waiting for 2016 would be great for conservatives but not the country.Country first.
See, that is the problem I have with this theory -- Obama is a disaster. And I don't buy into the "if we elect a conservative enough House and Senate we can keep him in check" argument, not with his love of executive orders.
So, any chance we can get Mitt to just accept one term?
(o.k....the last was snark)

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:56 PM (OWjjx)

339 Mallamutt
I think 2016 would be worse on two fronts.

Obama does 4 more years of damage-look how much money he has managed to burn through so far.

And, the Republican primary will be even more fractured and kookier in 2016-IOW more fringe candidates and more of the guys that prepped themselves for 2016 based on the "fact" that Obama was so popular when they made their calculations that they never thought he would be a one-termer.

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 02:59 PM (rJVPU)

340 That is quite possibly the dumbest argument Rush trots out from time to time. The other candidates in the race aren't causing Cain's problems - he's self-destructing all on his own. All of his wounds are self-administered.
Wrong.......it is time to play everyone's favorite game: Herman Cain's Wheel o' Blame.
Lets spin the wheel and see who Herman can blame for his problems today:
1. Rick Perry
2. The media too lazy to destroy people for the benefit of Herman Cain
3. The media who is trying to pick our candidates for us
4. The liberal, biased media
5. The establishment
6. Karl Rove
7. Fox News
8. Golddiggers
9. Everyone who just doesn't get The Greatness....That Is...Herman Cain.
Spin, spin..........every spin is a winner!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 02:59 PM (OWjjx)

341
I saw it, hairgel guy sucked must have forgot to wear his magic jammies!

Sarah yet?

or are we stuck with the inarticulate gardisil cowboy (fat chance)or the ultimate fannie and freddie insider neut?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at November 30, 2011 03:02 PM (vXqv3)

342 LOL!

Isn't that proof right there that the polls are full of the merde -how in the hell is _____ polling at 15% or higher...

Or the people aren't paying attention-yet...

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 03:03 PM (rJVPU)

343 And, the Republican primary will be even more fractured and kookier in 2016-IOW more fringe candidates and more of the guys that prepped themselves for 2016 based on the "fact" that Obama was so popular when they made their calculations that they never thought he would be a one-termer.
See, I think this year has more accidental candidates than 2016 would. Other than Romney, I'm not sure anyone else entered thinking that I want to be president. To wit:
1. Michelle Bachmann got in to promote herself and to solidify her cred as the vocie of the Tea Party.
2. Newt Gingrich to rehabilitated his tarnished image.
3. Herman Cain to sell some books and maybe get a gig at Fox News.
4. Rick Perry looked at the polls and concluded that he could win
5. Rick Santorum....nothing better to do?
6. Ron Paul runs cause its 4 years and well, that is what he does.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 03:03 PM (OWjjx)

344 Sarah yet?
Nah.......see, someone might file a lawsuit over her FEC filings and, damn, she just can't campaign and raise money to defend against those frivilious lawsuits and would have to quit.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 30, 2011 03:05 PM (OWjjx)

345 Well there's always the 'brokered convention" fantasy Concealed-ask jwest about it.

It's how The Establishment anoints the anti-establishment candidate.... and the anti-establishment crowd is all happy with that because the voter has been circumvented!!

Woooohooo!

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 03:06 PM (rJVPU)

346 I think you get all of those again except maybe Santorum, and Mitt.

2016 you get Sarah, Pence, Portman, McDonnell, Christie...

And, Bachmann wants it......

Posted by: tasker at November 30, 2011 03:11 PM (rJVPU)

347 766 743 i'd make my kid take the vaccine
224 200 Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:24 PM (oZfic)

How are those anal fissures doing? You should back off the glory-holing for a few weeks if you want to heal.
Posted by: Typical troublemaking moron at November 30, 2011 01:36 PM (nEUpB)

That's a disgusting thing to say to anyone. I bet you look great in your torn underwear in your mom's basement and wouldn't have the courage to say that to anyone, to their face.

Posted by: oh my at November 30, 2011 01:41 PM (oZfic)

actually curious i would say your comment on sept 12 was worse......




ah so you think you are raising a slut? but seriously, read all the literature, all the cases, not everything is online. then come back and tell us this again.

Posted by: at September 12, 2011 10:14 PM (k1rwm)

yes.....your comment is worse

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348 my link messed up but you remember your comment don't you?

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349 "There is only one way. You have to poll every damn caucus site. And in addition to asking the standard questions, ask who your second and third choice is.
And try to model from that.
Which is way too expensive."
Actually, I think Michael Mann might be working for pretty reasonable rates nowadays...

Posted by: reason at November 30, 2011 03:18 PM (F26eZ)

350 Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 02:54 PM (SV650)

Mitt's pretty divisive with Republicans.

But hey, support the lying son of a bitch if you want. It's a free country.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2011 03:20 PM (2f1Rs)

351 ________________

Drew,

You're not being practical, sir. Do you think I don't know that Romney's an unctuous political whore? Obviously I do. A better question is whether you realize that on that same score, that Gingrich isn't much (if any) better. They are both flip floppers. They are both lying politicians. Perhaps you didn't realize this.

Romney is a far cry from a rock ribbed conservative. But there is no question that he is right of center and is extremely competent.
Gingrich is some sort of hybrid quasi-conservative. It's obvious that he places his own intellect above conservative principles.

But now here's the real question, Drew. Do you want beat Obama in the general election? It's that simple. If you want to roll the dice on a weaker and highly volatile candidate who will be easy to demonize in general election: Gingrich is your boy. But if you want to win, you need to come to recognize reality: Romney is our best shot. And it's more important to get Obama out of the White House than to fantasize that we have a shot at installing a conservative movement in the Oval Office.


Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 03:33 PM (SV650)

352 _____________

Drew,

Also, you mention that Romney is divisive with Republicans. Well, yes he is. But is your position that if he's the nominee, Republicans will vote for Obama??? Again, get real, man.

This is going to be a huge election. No one who hates what Obama has done to this country is going to stay home on election day. Republicans and conservatives will turn out and vote for whoever is not Obama.



Posted by: Dave at November 30, 2011 03:40 PM (SV650)

353 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2011 05:33 PM (7WJOC)

354 Just checked. Yep, Romney still sux.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at November 30, 2011 06:09 PM (2UR//)

355 Drew is just being a douche. A desperate douche..

Posted by: Winning at November 30, 2011 07:01 PM (ozpOn)

356 " Romney On FNC: You're Either Uninformed Or A Democrat If You Think I've Changed My Positions"

Oh. Well at least he didn't say that anyone was heartless. Remember how upsetting and career destroying THAT supposedly was?

Also remember other dumb shit that became the focus of this blog's reality like Tardasil, silver dimes, and Palin not having a full and polished platform to be ripped apart by opposition by early 2009 ? Remember how Gifford's getting shot by a looney was partially OUR fault for a few hours because we talked all crazy and violent but somehow HL Mencken Slitting throats was harmlessly witty?

This blog is run by much bigger tits than anything on Megan McCain's chest.

After all, Megan probably doesn't know any better.

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357 Can any of you give a good reason why Romney just doesn't repudiate the concept of Romneycare and Obamacare? Haven't seen the recent polling, but don't 60+% of the voters hate it? Doesn't that include some of the moderates the GOP has to get? Why won't Romney go get them?

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