Cain's Statement: I'm Going To Beat Up On The Media And Make Them The Story, But I'm Not Going To Address Particulars

See, it's a strategy. You should support this because he's playing by his own rules and not letting The Media boss him around.

On the other hand, he's also not denying anything Bialek said.

When someone stops you on the street and hits you with an accusation like this, they subsequently write a story about the look in your eyes, and how many seconds it took you to speak some words in response. They go to “crisis management experts” who offer the usual sage wisdom about “getting all the information out” – as if you can get any “information” out (aside from telling them nothing happened, which they don’t want to hear) in response to allegations that are unsourced and nonspecific.

Then, when you haven’t “calmed the firestorm” – if only because the people wielding the blow-torches have no intention of putting them out – more experts are put on the air to say this proves you are “not ready for prime time.”
Maybe that would matter if I was trying out for the cast of Saturday Night Live. But this should be a slightly more serious undertaking than that.

Contrary to the belief of experts, so wise and learned in the ways of politics, I do know what the established rules say I am supposed to do. I simply refuse to do it. That’s because the rules are ridiculous, and they produce leaders like Barack Obama, who play the political game like experts but govern like complete incompetents.

Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject.

Not reassuring.

While he attempts to hoodwink you into thinking this is some principled stance, what I see is a guy who does not want to deny specific details (did he meet with Bialek? Did he upgrade her hotel room? Did the meeting end on a positive note or a negative one and if negative, why? ), because I see a guy who is worried that his specific denials will be proven false in turn.

So he keeps to the general. The vague. Even while he says he will not refer to his accusers' "vague" or "nonspecific" allegations, he ignores the specific and very un-vague ones, and will only offer "vague" and "nonspecific" demurrals in turn.

And what he's counting on is that the conservative movement is so dumb that it will elect him as a nominee without every figuring out what the damage and downside here will be, and you know what? There's a good chance he's right.

We have become pretty dumb. We're so damned eager to believe we seem to have forgotten that skepticism is pretty useful.

And yes, skepticism on both sides, not skepticism only towards his four accusers, while taking a completely unskeptical, believer-ish posture to whatever Cain says.

Guy can't even bother to tell me what Bialek said was false. He won't even say that. He writes a general slam of the media and expects the reader to conveniently read a denial in between the lines, despite it never actually being offered up.

We have a live, on-the-record accuser, who says Cain groped her vagina.

On the other hand, we have Cain, who... refuses to say whether he touched her inappropriately or not. The closest he'll come is...

Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America for several decades. I had thousands of employees working for me. I can’t even begin to recall how many conversations I had with people during that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter might have taken place.

Yeah well she didn't accuse you of friendly banter, Hoss. She accused you of pawing at her genitals.

So, it's not a he said/she said anymore; it's a she said/he refuses to say and changes the topic.


Posted by: Ace at 06:28 PM



Comments

1 We shouldn't let women work with men. Just asking for trouble.......

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 06:29 PM (UqKQV)

2 ... who says Cain groped her vagina...

That's not what she said.

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2011 06:30 PM (hrr4h)

3 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Posted by: icemike at November 07, 2011 06:30 PM (kA8jQ)

4 ( Don't laugh: It was the Prevailing View until two generations ago. )

and don't toss in the 'slavery was legal' analogies; wimmin ain't slaves

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (UqKQV)

5 keep firin' in the tent you fucking ponce.

Posted by: icemike at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (kA8jQ)

6 This whole narrative being drawn by the press about Cain is a yawn for me.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (JKNDp)

7 We have a live, on-the-record accuser, who says Cain groped her vagina.
Does the name "Anita Hill" ring a bell? Remember that lying bitch?
Cain isn't my choice (political experience matters and he has none) but the smear job is just so apparent.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (ujg0T)

8
Ace, if you were advising Cain, would you tell him to address the particulars?

I think that would be terrible advice.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2011 06:32 PM (7VNoy)

9 Jesus, Ace.
Get some sleep. Some rest. And some other schtick, the petulance and snark is boring.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:33 PM (1DqBk)

10 http://tinyurl.com/6myoz3m

So, uh... this makes it quite a bit more credible doesn't it?

Doesn't look like she's going after him for ideological reasons.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:33 PM (3tEVR)

11 Flame on kid......flame on.

Posted by: The Thing at November 07, 2011 06:33 PM (MHbyN)

12 Stick a fork in this pizza--it's done.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (dij/b)

13 let msnbc, politico, DC, whatever the fuck report this.....

we dont need your anonymous ass piling on.

come on bro.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Posted by: icemike at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (kA8jQ)

14 Can we just move on and declare Mittens the winner??? GOP establishment gets what it wants anyway. Cain is fucked. All hail the Status Quo!!!

Posted by: we'refucked.gov at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (D8vUP)

15 >>>Ace, if you were advising Cain, would you tell him to address the particulars?

Um, okay.

B E L I E V E

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (nj1bB)

16 who says Cain groped her vagina... That's not what she said.
I think it was something like, he put his hand under her dress and groped her genitals.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (Z71Vg)

17 ace just made himself a straw vagina.

...

~ shudder ~

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 07, 2011 06:35 PM (h6mPj)

18 Since she attended that TeaCon meeting, I think, to confront Cain, I don't take it as evidence she is herself a Tea Partier. We don't know *why* she was there. Given the confrontation, it could have been only for that purpose.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:35 PM (nj1bB)

19
I'll tell you why it's unwise for Herb Cain to address the particulars, as you put it.

Because it puts him in the position of making a headline in his own damning words.

The more prudent course is to play cat and mouse with the media rather than giving straight answers to these types of racy charges.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2011 06:35 PM (7VNoy)

20 Ace, if you were advising Cain, would you tell him to address the particulars?I think that would be terrible advice.
THIS. Does "pubic hair in my Coke can" ring a bell?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:36 PM (ujg0T)

21 Does the name "Anita Hill" ring a bell? Remember that lying bitch?
Cain isn't my choice (political experience matters and he has none) but the smear job is just so apparent.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (ujg0T)
Yeah I do, remember Clarence Thomas? He sat in the Senate under oath and said she was lying and refuted every allegation she made. If someone accused me like she did Caine today I coudln't get to a microphone and tv camera fast enough to say she was lying, unless she wasn't.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 06:36 PM (MtwBb)

22 he Made A Move 'towards' her cooter, as I recall being told

Many moves towards cooters I have made, often only to be rebuffed

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 06:36 PM (UqKQV)

23 Clintonesque.

Posted by: BruinEric at November 07, 2011 06:36 PM (KCzlc)

24 "This man upgraded my hotel, groped me, tried to make me blow him, and I am so devastated this has really upset me it is hard to do anything, for the past 14 years."
I wave the flag of BS, especially with Allred being the piper drum of the forces of allegation.

Posted by: Living-Right-in-CA at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (ytpAl)

25 & Ace will continue to click his heels together & say 3 times there is no one Like Perry

Posted by: ObamaSucks at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (GnqB7)

26 8
I think that would be terrible advice.

He's said that he never harassed anyone, a story that hasn't changed since Day One. He could say he didn't harass anyone in a different language, or maybe he could find other ways of saying he didn't harass anyone.

Ace wants him to address the allegations, which apparently means admitting he did something he says he didn't to. For Pete's sake, what the hell else is the man supposed to say?

His contention is that he's innocent. His accusers say he's guilty. That's all we have to go on, Ace. That's zero evidence whatsoever. Stop insinuating that he's "hiding something" or "not addressing the charges."

Posted by: Lou at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (xp1pq)

27 Before any of this came up, I thought Cain was a dope. Little did I know....

I don't want this guy anywhere near the WH.

On the other hand, a Romney/Cain ticket, as many have posited, would be a cup of Hemlock for the GOP. So there's that to look forward to.

Posted by: some dope at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (+kznc)

28 Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:35 PM (nj1bB)

Good point. But if she was willing to confront him without a lawyer, it means she didn't just make this up all of a sudden now that he's riding high in the polls.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (3tEVR)

29 Someone is obsessed....and it isn't Cain.

Posted by: Jeff at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (q/mOM)

30 Meanwhile, the shitty economy, a nuclear Iran, F F, the Green loan fraud etc. ad nauseum chug along without attention. Heavens, I hate the MFM. Fockers. Dishonest fockers, the lot of them. ~spit~

Posted by: observer at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (FFXeg)

31 Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (ujg0T)

I really could have used a quality thinker such as your self back in the day.

Posted by: Marion "The Bitch Set Me Up" Bary at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (Ccb4c)

32 ace- you mad bro? *ducks under the table*

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (Z71Vg)

33 Where's willow?
At this point I wouldn't mind discussing interior decorating. I might learn something new.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (6VvEU)

34 Can't we just copy and paste the comments from the last 3 threads over here and be done with it?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (X6akg)

35 http://tinyurl.com/6myoz3mSo, uh... this makes it quite a bit more credible doesn't it?Doesn't look like she's going after him for ideological reasons.
OMG....Anita Hill was allegedly a rare black conservative too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (ujg0T)

36 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (8y9MW)

37 Did her head bump the steering wheel? That's what I really want to know. That would piss me off enough to have a press conference.

Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (R+fMx)

38 Ace I think your misunderstanding a general "fuck you" to the media and Democrats, BIRM, as hard core Cain support. Someone can say this entire issue is bullshit, and still not be a Cain supporter. Hell that about sums me up.

Posted by: Mr Pink at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (MHbyN)

39 "Reached for my genitals"

There.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (ZUFNn)

40 This is a start. He needs to specifically deny the charges tomorrow, hopefully with evidence. I agree with Ace, it's not 100% satisfying. He needs to keep this up. I don't want him to be the nominee, but I like his messaging on this issue so far. He seems to understand how serious this issue has become and isn't playing around...so far.

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (zLeKL)

41 You know its the stupid partywhen some ridiculously obvious act of bullshitting and hucksterism, the dodging of verysimple questionsor some embarrasinglack of knowledge can be sold as theoutsiderish, maverickyand innovativeleadership abilities of the true insurgent.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 07, 2011 06:38 PM (P/F96)

42
Ace wants Cain to talk about the hotel room. Yeah, I'm curious, too.

But that would be absolutely idiotic for Cain to do such a thing. Think about it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2011 06:39 PM (7VNoy)

43 God I hope my wife doesn't get ahold of this allred harpy. I guess I'm a serial groper at home.

Posted by: Bosk at November 07, 2011 06:39 PM (n2K+4)

44 It's snowing here.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 06:39 PM (5H6zj)

45 #22 Wins!

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:39 PM (dij/b)

46 1. He didn't do it, so he should stand up and call her a lying bitch.

2. He did do it, so he should stand up, call it what it is -- a pass that was shot down -- and then try to move on.

3. He should quit the race because he is stupid and incompetent and couldn't president his way out of a paper bag.

I prefer #3.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 06:39 PM (3vSLn)

47 According to Bill Curtis (an old Chicago guy - now an old National Superstar) this woman is a certifiable nut. He says there's a lot more to her story and she "has a history". He says there is a lot more that will come out about her.

Posted by: Susan at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (8YOxP)

48 So he likes fish tacos as well as pizza, kind of a smorgasborg type of guy.....

Posted by: Oscar Meyer at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (+kafi)

49 "On the other hand, he's also not denying anything Bialek said."

Wrong. His campaign immediately denied the charges. Question is - why are you so determined to believe them?

Posted by: sympleton at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (cVYiZ)

50 These allegations mean that ANY scandal will do for the left and MSM to tear down a conservative and NOTHING will tarnish a lefty dem.
I could care less if Cain tried to get some years ago. She never filed a complaint. She kept it quiet. This is the problem with working around women.... really... you never know when they are your co-worker/ underling/ object of affection=ok vs affection=no.
Has nothing to do with what Obama has done since in office, nor all the Non-reported history we have no idea of in his past because the curious press could care less or ignores this or that and so we know nothing....

Posted by: Yip in Texas at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (FLFli)

51
Imagine if Cain went on with Larry King's replacement and said, "I never reached for that woman's genitals."

Can you imagine what the headline would be the next day?

Can you imagine what sound clip we'd be hearing for the rest of our lives?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (7VNoy)

52 Well, Ace was right about Wiener: his instincts are good. Who knows for sure? I just saw Bialek on TV make her statement... And I can't just dismiss her.

But there so many better reasons to not go with Cain: lack of knowledge, inability to make himself clear, no experience with government.

And I'll repeat my prediction: this will happen to anyone who the nominee is, whomever we nominate. Brace yourselves.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (niZvt)

53 >who says Cain groped her vagina...
That's not what she said.

You're right. She said genitals. Good catch.

Posted by: some dope at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (+kznc)

54 Yeah, I'm curious, too.
I knew it!!!!

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (Z71Vg)

55 So, is it just a coincidence this press conference is held right before a new book is released saying Obama lied about Bin Laden's killing? The fact that the chick is a Republican really means nothing...doesn't Gloria only do these kinds of things if they help Democrats? I mean, if someone came out and said Obama groped them 10 years ago, I doubt Gloria would give them the time of day.

Posted by: sydney jane at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (D1A3M)

56 keep fucking that chicken ace.

Posted by: Floral Bumhole at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (d5d4Z)

57 Cain denies doing that particular thing - then we get the endless variations on a theme...

.... leading to the inevitable Taiwanese animation.

_

What was your tone of voice, Mr Cain?

Was that a legitimate offer of employment or was that the sexy talk?

Did you tell her to call you "Daddy"?

I'll take this particular accuser's claims at face value and not even get close to "M'eh" status.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (h6mPj)

58 Yeah I do, remember Clarence Thomas? He sat in the Senate under oath and said she was lying and refuted every allegation she made. If someone accused me like she did Caine today I coudln't get to a microphone and tv camera fast enough to say she was lying, unless she wasn't.
Initially, he didn't. He didn't address preposterous particulars either.
I really could have used a quality thinker such as your self back in the day.Posted by: Marion "The Bitch Set Me Up" Bary at November 07, 2011 06:37 PM (Ccb4c)
I was *around* back in the day, you asshole. There was videotape (remember that? probably not) with Barry.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (ujg0T)

59 13 let msnbc, politico, DC, whatever the fuck report this.....we dont need your anonymous ass piling on.come on bro.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Posted by: icemike at November 07, 2011 06:34 PM (kA8jQ)
And in just the last thread there was saying that they hadn't seen any commenters telling ace not to write about this.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 06:42 PM (GULKT)

60 Cain shouldn't get the nomination based on his being unable to answer a simple question without asking Gingrich to answer first for him.

This shit has shenanigans written all over it.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2011 06:42 PM (ZUFNn)

61 "Wrong. His campaign immediately denied the charges. Question is - why are you so determined to believe them?"

Now *THAT* is a very good question

Posted by: Jeff at November 07, 2011 06:42 PM (q/mOM)

62 All this talk about genitalia is making me remember a certain song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:42 PM (3tEVR)

63 M.MMmmmMMm.MMM-MMMm!

Posted by: It's tuff to talk while you're biting your tongue at November 07, 2011 06:43 PM (bZ8J6)

64 Cain shouldn't get the nomination based on his being unable to answer a simple question without asking Gingrich to answer first for him.
I saw a clip of that earlier today. That was painful. He is in way over his head.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 06:43 PM (Z71Vg)

65 Is "directives he gave" code word for "how many cooters he's felt up" ?

Posted by: The Fleshlight at November 07, 2011 06:43 PM (usXZy)

66
I knew it!!!!

I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't have been for you meddling morons.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2011 06:44 PM (7VNoy)

67 Back to me, Mittens, and the Newt.

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 07, 2011 06:44 PM (ubriA)

68 22 he Made A Move 'towards' her cooter, as I recall being told

Many moves towards cooters I have made, often only to be rebuffed
Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 06:36 PM (UqKQV)


The North American Cooter is a skittish creature... You can spend hours coaxing them, only to have it suddenly scurry off for no obvious reason...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 06:44 PM (niZvt)

69 At this point, I am ready to grab this story's genitals and push its head down to my crotch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 06:44 PM (JYheX)

70 The MFM in full "vetting" fury! I just wish it wasn't so one sided.

Posted by: Bosk at November 07, 2011 06:45 PM (n2K+4)

71 "And what he's counting on is that the conservative movement is so dumb that it will elect him as a nominee without every figuring out what the damage and downside here will be, and you know what? There's a good chance he's right."

Did someone call his name?

Posted by: Mitt's Man Hugh at November 07, 2011 06:45 PM (zlusw)

72 Can we all agree to root for the Bears tonight versus the "Dream Team?"

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 06:45 PM (5H6zj)

73 who says Cain groped her vagina... That's not what she said.< You're right. She said genitals. Good catch.

I knew it!She's a Thai Tranny Hooker!

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (u/RSM)

74 I agree with Soothsayer.

I think it may be likely Cain is a hound. I also think it very likely that this latest kind of sketchy. Either way for Cain to directly state what he's accused of, even if it is part of a denial puts the words of the accusation in his own voice, out of his own mouth.

That's devastating when you can get a plaintiff to restate the details of the crime, even if it is his denying he did it. A good PR/Lawyer will never let him say out loud 'I did not get into a car with that woman, I did not assault her'

He could however straight up say none of this is true.

And Ace, I think Limbaugh was pretty clear when he's said repeatedly that he doesn't know what Cain did, he could be guilty as hell, but the double standard of the reporting and the rush to judgment based on PRIOR non-detailed innuendo is a story too. Probably a greater one than Cain given he's a terrible candidate who's so badly damaged WITHOUT the harassment charges.




Posted by: coondawg68 at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (VhcOZ)

75 We obviously won't be hearing any "Herman Cain is gay" rumors anytime soon...

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (zLeKL)

76 Ace: Right now he's listening to his Advisers and sticking to generalities so he doesn't get caught remembering something incorrectly, then getting hit for it like Earlier. Repeatedly. Even if it's the color of the car, or what color tie he was wearing.

Also I'm looking at this and have yet to see a specific date, not even the Month this allegedly happened. Or the Hotel's name. Or why she didn't report this before. Or why only when he became a Frontrunner. And why on earth does she "Just want him to come clean"? No financial compensation? No Jail-time? No Fines for Cain or something? Just, ya know, admit it and ruin your career so I can go back into being a nameless person, please?

You say "It's a pattern", but it's all so Convenient. Yes, with a capital C. Now Allred shows up just like in the case of the California senate-race against Boxer, representing the "victim".

Cain is a private Citizen to, even if he's running for President. Not a Public Officeholder yet. Technically doesn't this mean he can sue for Libel?

Posted by: Mordart at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (hXX/4)

77 Upshot is we will be given the candidate, selected by th East, from the East, approved by Eastern candidates, voted on by the East first and - wait for it -

it will be Eastern favorite Eastern native Mitt "Yankee" Romney!

Yay. Gosh, when he wins the vermont-newhampshire-newjersey-massachusetts primaries, well, that'll be The Voice Of (northeastern) America hollering "Mitt Romney! Let's have some tea and crumpets!"

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (1DqBk)

78 #72

Hell no. I gotz mez some fantasy footballz to winz 2nitz

Posted by: Living-Right-in-CA at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (ytpAl)

79 : Don't Call It A Comeback.

_

Posted by: Long Dong Silver at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (h6mPj)

80 72 Can we all agree to root for the Bears tonight versus the "Dream Team?"
Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 06:45 PM (5H6zj)
But then we'd be on the same side as ncj and Jay Cutler. Yuck

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (GULKT)

81 I saw a clip of that earlier today. That was painful. He is in way over his head.

Indeed. That's when I knew which side of the Cain fence I was on.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2011 06:46 PM (ZUFNn)

82 The North American Cooter is a skittish creature... You can spend hours
coaxing them, only to have it suddenly scurry off for no obvious
reason...

I took a whole year and a half hunting one in high school.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (JYheX)

83 You're right. We're being uncharacteristically incurious about this. Cain might be a serial sexual abuser.
But
I'm still voting for him. Even as dumbassedly dumbasstastic as he's being in his handling of this smear-job, he will still beat Obama.
Fuck you, MFM.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (I2LwF)

84 pics or it didn't happen

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (RURIy)

85 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

BACK TO MY HEAD RANCH!

Posted by: Rick Gardasil Perry at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (gm8Qt)

86 btw, I'm still heartless for believing in enforcing borders.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (I2LwF)

87 Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America for several decades. I had thousands of employees working for me. I can’t even begin to recall how many conversations I had with people during that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter might have taken place.

Come on, Ace! Don't be such a prude. Friendly banter with my male friends always ends up with their hands up my skirt at some point! Yeesh!

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (u/RSM)

88 Also I'm looking at this and have yet to see a specific date, not even the Month this allegedly happened. Or the Hotel's name.

The hotel is known. I read one of the columnists over at NRO has already contacted them.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (5H6zj)

89 He seems to understand how serious this issue has become and isn't playing around...so far.
Ummm... I don't read it that way at all.

A man, accused of sexual assault, who did not actually sexually assault someone, will typically reply with, "No. I didn't."

Here we have a specific accusation- and, given an opportunity to say, "No, I didn't."- he instead deflects again.

I can only assume he's doing it out of ignorance, if I'm not going to assume he's actually guilty. He did come out with a denial at first, and then he changed it. And then he changed it again. And then he changed it one more time. On. The first. Day. By Wednesday he was blaming Perry.

C'mon folks- I understand, you don't want the MFM to pick our candidate. You want a man who- by all other evidence is an honorable man- not to be smeared unfairly. But he has not conducted himself with behavior which indicates this is unfair at all. In fact, he has conducted himself with behavior that says, "I did something, but if I'm cagey enough, you'll never figure out what."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (8y9MW)

90 and don't toss in the 'slavery was legal' analogies; wimmin ain't slaves


No they aren't.
Men are.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 06:48 PM (T0NGe)

91 Can we all agree to root for the Bears tonight versus the "Dream Team?"

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 07, 2011 06:48 PM (8y9MW)

92 I need Michael Vick and Devin Hester to combine for 36 points in a relatively low scoring league. They project to 24 per Yahoo.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 07, 2011 06:48 PM (Qjh0I)

93 That Bialek woman looks kinda crazy.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2011 06:48 PM (H/kgP)

94 You have no evidence, Ace. You've even said so yourself.

All you have is your wishcasting, and your anger that your wishcasting isn't enough.

Next Cain thread, please. I'm sure you've got six more ready to go live before midnight.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (2QDaE)

95 We obviously won't be hearing any "Herman Cain is gay" rumors anytime soon...

Cain's uncontrolled hypersexuality may clearly show that he's overcompensating for a gender/sexuality dysfunction that could indicate he's on the down-low.

We're willing to help, if Cain's willing to listen.

Posted by: American Psychological Assn: at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (h6mPj)

96 #77, and for this you blame....???

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (dij/b)

97 Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (I2LwF)

You're saying you're certain that an unknown candidate who may or may not be a sexual harasser is going to beat an incumbent president?

...Are you serious?

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (3tEVR)

98 I'm beginning to think Ace is mentally ill.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (AF1jB)

99 His response should be: "WWBCD"
What would Bill Clinton do? After all, he set the bar for sexual harrassment pretty high.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (nyxv/)

100 This crap needs to be ignored now, we have planty to judge Cain be in the debates and campaign positions. I get we can't hide our heads in the sand on this stuff but it is just as valid to say we can't keep making a fucking circle jerk with it either. This shit is the distraction and just hurts all our candidates at this point.

We need to learn when to ignore the media just like the media knows when to ignore democrat scandals. We have probed this enough and it isn't relevant anymore above much of the other materiel we have to judge Cain by.

Please for fucks sake ignore this fucked up fucking circus. Stop fucking feeding the fucking media trolls and doing their fucking job for them. Cain fails on many other more valid issues. Stay with those.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (dieO2)

101 As a Cain supporter (strictly to shove it to the establishment), I find it hilarious that the left/media/Allred are going nuts over this, yet with Clinton/Edwards are given freebies because of where they stand on the political spectrum. Well, fuck it, the Dems made the rules, let's play by them.

Posted by: Doesn'tGiveAFuck at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (F6KtL)

102 C'mon folks- I understand, you don't want the MFM to pick our candidate. You want a man who- by all other evidence is an honorable man- not to be smeared unfairly.

Romney/Huntsman 2012!
Magic Underwear prevents infidelity!

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:49 PM (u/RSM)

103 53 >who says Cain groped her vagina...
That's not what she said.

You're right. She said genitals. Good catch.
Posted by: some dope at November 07, 2011 06:40 PM (+kznc)


She also said he grabbed her head and tried to force her to give him a blowjob.

Oh wait: she said he just tried forcing her head down to his crotch. Must have had an itch, and her hair looked like a good scratching post...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (niZvt)

104 "I'm beginning to think Ace is mentally ill."

Naw, just obsessed and bitter.

Posted by: Jeff at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (q/mOM)

105 Where all the white women at?- Herman "You want sausage on that?" Cain

Posted by: Oscar Meyer at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (+kafi)

106 Not again.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (YQa0T)

107 Geez, even the Palin-bashing threads weren't this bad.

What is it about Herman Cain that lowers the intelligence of the AoS Comments Section down to Hot Air levels?

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (3tEVR)

108 The North American Cooter is a skittish creature...
You can spend hours coaxing them, only to have it suddenly scurry off
for no obvious reason...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 06:44 PM (niZvt)
Sadly, this is so true. I've spent weeks scurrying after cooters, with Mixed Results. And the noises they make sometimes...........

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 06:50 PM (UqKQV)

109 "Romney/Huntsman 2012!"

A RINO's wet dream

Posted by: Jeff at November 07, 2011 06:51 PM (q/mOM)

110 Geraghty says washington hilton

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 06:51 PM (5H6zj)

111 Who amongst us hasn't snuck into the breakroom to cup a little cooter?

Posted by: J. Peterman at November 07, 2011 06:51 PM (D6k5x)

112 Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:41 PM (ujg0T)
Bullshit, let's look and Thomas's sworn testimony in the Senate.
Thomas testified that the accusations against him were false and that, "I deny each and every single allegation against me today that suggested in any way that I had conversations of a sexual nature or about pornographic material with Anita Hill, that I ever attempted to date her, that I ever had any personal sexual interest in her, or that I in any way ever harassed her"

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 06:51 PM (MtwBb)

113
This crap needs to be ignored now, we have plenty to judge Cain by in
the debates and campaign positions. I get we can't hide our heads in the
sand on this stuff but it is just as valid to say we can't keep making a
fucking circle jerk with it either. This shit is the distraction and
just hurts all our candidates at this point.

We need to learn
when to ignore the media just like the media knows when to ignore
democrat scandals. We have probed this enough and it isn't relevant
anymore above much of the other materiel we have to judge Cain by.

Please
for fucks sake ignore this fucked up fucking circus. Stop fucking
feeding the fucking media trolls and doing their fucking job for them.
Cain fails on many other more valid issues. Stay with those.

Edited and re-posted because of poor grammar/spelling from rage.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (dieO2)

114 ...and it all comes down to, how do you provea negative to people who don't want to believe you in the first place?

Posted by: styrgwillidar at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (IrbU4)

115 Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America for
several decades. I had thousands of employees working for me. I can’t
even begin to recall how many conversations I had with people during
that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter might
have taken place.
The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (QKKT0)

116 Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America sex for several decades. I had thousands of employees working sexing for me. I can’t even begin to recall how many conversations sex I had with people during that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter sexmight have taken place.

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (q177U)

117 On the other hand, they both wanted jobs, I say bring back the barter system.

Posted by: Living-Right-in-CA at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (ytpAl)

118 What a coincidence. Cain just happened to grope 500 women a week, but it was a secret until he became the front runner.

If you believe this, you have to seriously question your own bullshit detector. I'm just not buying it.

Posted by: Gui LaDouche at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (hDA/l)

119 What would Bill Clinton do? After all, he set the bar for sexual harrassment pretty high.

Like Rush said today, when conservatives expose sex scandals of the other party, they name the names of the victims and lay out the details. Until today, that wasn't done--it was just faceless, nameless "victims" and vague accusations of malfeasance.
It does make me think there are going to be more "victims" that are going to come out of the woodwork now that the crack has appeared in the dyke.

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (u/RSM)

120 for g-ds sake.

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (h+qn8)

121 Shouldn't be hard to verify if he upgraded her room.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (niZvt)

122 Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 07, 2011 06:52 PM (dieO2)

Your point is valid, but even if we ignore the media, the public won't.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (3tEVR)

123 Honestly, I don't care if he eats babies with wasabi and cheese.

I just want a conservative.

We are not allowed to vote how we want - in any year. For anyone. The media controls it, they will ensure we die as slaves under their Glorious Leader.

I give up - I just know that it does not matter if it was untrue or true - for anyone. IF any conservative candidate ever comes close again, they'll swear under oath that they witnessed him raping a herd of cattle.

The Enemy has won. We cannot win, "even" with Romney.

No matter what, the media will not allow us to have our votes mean anything - they are in league with Soros who has already purchased himself some Secretaries of State who now will report the numbers of votes that Soros and the Media want.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (1DqBk)

124 Geez, Ace. Put the fucking thing down for awhile. You're starting to sound like Chris Matthews. I'm really starting to think that you need to see a shrink.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (SjIxd)

125 Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America sex for several decades. I had thousands of employees working sexing for me. I can’t even begin to recall how many conversations sex I had with people during that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter sexmight have taken place.

Max, that reminds me of the SNL skit where the Chinese President continously asks Obama "Why do you want to do sex to me?" Heh!

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (u/RSM)

126 Bullshit, let's look and Thomas's sworn testimony in the Senate.
Thomas testified that the accusations against him were false and that, "I deny each and every single allegation against me today that suggested in any way that I had conversations of a sexual nature or about pornographic material with Anita Hill, that I ever attempted to date her, that I ever had any personal sexual interest in her, or that I in any way ever harassed her"
The key word is "initially". Thomas got around *later* to saying what you quote, when on the spot in a hearing. Initially, he didn't want to even dignify it. Which is understandable.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (ujg0T)

127 You can't hold a whole political party responsible for the behavior of a
few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame
the whole two-party system? And if the whole system is
guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our political institutions in
general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire
American society?

Well, you can do whatever you want to me, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of
America. Gentlemen!

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (QKKT0)

128 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (8y9MW)

I admit I don't know the whole story-- I just figured he denied it earlier today, and then this statemement. I thought that was a good call--strongly deny and then--rightly--call out the media on their bullshit.
I had forgotten about his previous walkbacks. I don't know what to think anymore. All I know is I don't want him as the nominee. Never did.

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (zLeKL)

129 Cain is done. Sucks for him.

At this stage I'm basically convinced it'll be Romney, so now I'm mainly worrying about how to force Romney to stay on the straight and narrow once he is President. And who he can pick as VP.

Rubio and Ryan seem like good picks. And if Ryan can bring Wisconsin then that's huge.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (QcFbt)

130 Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (1DqBk)

You realize you sounds like a conspiracy theorist, right?

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (3tEVR)

131 124
Geez, Ace. Put the fucking thing down for awhile. You're starting to
sound like Chris Matthews. I'm really starting to think that you need
to see a shrink.

Chris Matthews is more stable.

And more consistent.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (2QDaE)

132 It was Gloria Allred, in the Breakroom with a Wiffle Ball Bat.

Posted by: CLUE! at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (D6k5x)

133 Ah, this is too good to be true. Someone pinch me.
The only way this could get any better for us is if that wingnut Palin got back into the contest. Can you imagine her and Cain's useful idiots tearing each other apart over who was more of an "outsider," or who loved God more, or who was less of a "crony capitalist," or who was more "Reagan-esque?" ROTFLOL.Comedy gold, rubes, comedy gold.
Anyways, stay classy, conservatives. Keep sending your messages. Prove your points. Don't let the liberal media boss you around, kids, be true and pure and steadfast: Cain's your man. Hop aboard that Cain train, boys and gals. Hold on a second, I'm starving. Think I'll order me a pizza pie.
See you rubes at Barack's 2nd inaugural ball. Heh.

Posted by: David Axelrod at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (f8XyF)

134 Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 06:54 PM (QcFbt)

Didn't Rubio say he didn't want the VP slot, though?

In my opinion, he'd be the best choice, but I could have sworn he said that.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:55 PM (3tEVR)

135 You know, I didn't think conservatives would start thanking their luck stars for Mitt Romney. But at this rate...

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:55 PM (dij/b)

136 I'm really starting to think that you [ace]need to see a shrink.

The Ewokian brain is similar enough to the human brain that we're available to help.

Ewoks pay cash, though - their health insurance payments are slow.

-

Posted by: American Psychological Assn: at November 07, 2011 06:55 PM (h6mPj)

137 Here's the thing: I don't want Cain anywhere near the Republican nomination, I think he'd be an undisciplined disaster.

But I don't want that desire to lead me to use Politico and Gloria Allred as my instruments of political advantage.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (T0NGe)

138 I'm trying figure out the geometry on this: he's got one hand feeling for the honeycomb hideout and the other pushing her head down to his junk. In a car, right?

Posted by: Professor Polygon at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (bZ8J6)

139 Do any of you fucking people care what kind of candidate we'll be getting?

Or do you want it to be a surprise?

Would you like to know, in advance, what you'll have to defend? What you'll have to spin? What baggage you'll be dragging behind?

Apparently not. You don't care.

Cain will not say whether he upgraded her room.

Is it unfair for me to know whether he did or not? Since he's asking the party to BET THEIR CHILDREN'S FUTURE ON HIM?

Or is that just his own private business?

Don't ask don't tell?


Okay.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (nj1bB)

140 The key word is "initially". Thomas got around *later* to saying what you quote, when on the spot in a hearing. Initially, he didn't want to even dignify it. Which is understandable.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (ujg0T)
Read his quote, he said that on the same day the allegations were made by Hill. Did you notice the "today" part?

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (MtwBb)

141 "Here's the thing: I don't want Cain anywhere near the Republican nomination, I think he'd be an undisciplined disaster."

Swap Cain for Romney and I'm with ya.

Posted by: Jeff at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (q/mOM)

142 >>>I'm trying figure out the geometry on this: he's got one hand feeling for the honeycomb hideout and the other pushing her head down to his junk. In a car, right?

Yeah she totally said it was all done simultaneously, not successively, and she totally also further said it was while the vehicle was in motion.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (nj1bB)

143 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (7WJOC)

144 She strikes me as a failed actress. Maybe at one time she had passable looks and tried to "make it" just gut instincts. She sees it as her "moment to shine" and bring down a Presidential candidate. She definitely looked like she was trying to read the room.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (DNTer)

145 Ace,

You don't know me from Adam's house cat, but you are jumping at shadows like a man who has been on a coke bender for about a week.

Unclench your ass a bit and go for a walk or ice skating or whatever you East Coast weirdos do to relax.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (4CSeG)

146 Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (nj1bB)

True fighter, anti-establishment, not a RINO, etc., etc.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (3tEVR)

147
They had sat together and talked for at least 2 conference dinners and 1 awards luncheon.

She then lost her job. She calls up Herman and says she's going to be in D.C. He agrees to meet her.

She meets him in the Hotel Bar, and then they go out for dinner.

After dinner, instead of going back to the hotel, where he had gotten her an upgrade) he stops the car and reaches under her dress and at the same time pulls her head towards his crotch.

I'm sorry but if that's the best move he's got then he doesn't deserve to be President.

I could see him maybe asking if he could go up to the room for drinks. Maybe starting to make out and then going farther than she wanted him to. But really, he just reached up her dress and grabbed her head...I'm not buying it.

Posted by: oh baby baby at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (ROPvT)

148 Thank God for Mitt Romney.

Posted by: packsoldier at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (9wG5n)

149 I'm trying figure out the geometry on this

I think you mean ergonomics?

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (dij/b)

150 If SCOAMF gets re-elected, I'm eating a shotgun the next day.

Already bought my tarp.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (1DqBk)

151 To those who think the we would rather discuss the flaws of Cain's tax plan or his other issues, what country do you live in? Those issues are too "complicated" to discuss, and we are too lazy to talk about them anyway. I'm tired of this game, too but it's all we have. We play their game with their rules or we go the fuck home.

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (zLeKL)

152 Yeah, I think Rubio said no to VP. Secretly, I think he wants to wait a few years for his hair plugs to grow in. He's young, he has time. (The hair plug thing is a jab, but it's true. It's also smart to get them. Jonah Goldberg and Biden are fellow hair pluggers. Americans don't like baldos, so Rubio needs to solve his hairline problem before he runs on a national ticket.)

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 06:58 PM (QcFbt)

153 According to this, the Cain campaign has denied the charges.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (hW3KZ)

154 135
You know, I didn't think conservatives would start thanking their luck stars for Mitt Romney. But at this rate...


Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 06:55 PM (dij/b)
Wait until Romney has to personally defend the Mormon church from its founding to today and everyone associated with it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (T0NGe)

155 Yeah she totally said it was all done simultaneously, not successively,
and she totally also further said it was while the vehicle was in
motion.

Done it.

Drive with left knee.

What was the make and model of the car in question? Does it have a center console?

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (4CSeG)

156 After dinner, instead of going back to the hotel, where he had gotten her an upgrade) he stops the car and reaches under her

I hope she didn't hit her head on the stick shift...

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (u/RSM)

157 I think it's time to re-evaluate the phenobarbital dosage.

Posted by: ace's Doctor at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (Zs83Q)

158
Cain isn't my choice (political experience matters and he has none) but the smear job is just so apparent.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 07, 2011 06:31 PM (ujg0T)

You can't reason a man out of a position he was never reasoned into in the first place. And that is the kindest thing I can say about your position.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (YiE0S)

159 @133 David Axelrod (f8XyF)
Wow, you're really good with the leftist impersonation. The tone is perfect.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 07, 2011 06:59 PM (xXhWA)

160 Cain will not say whether he upgraded her room.

In my defense, Idid offer her a free topping. That was wrong of me.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:00 PM (D6k5x)

161 @ 139 Ace

I don't care about this scandal shit when I have enough material on policy and issues to rule him out. This way I will not be driven by the media and not damage all other republicans in the process of eliminating the candidates.

Is that such an unreasonable thing?

Don't feed the media trolls, especially when we have other methods to do our work of vetting. We are aware of the issue and for now isn't that all that we needed? anything more is plain gossip if we can rule him out via other methods which I have.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 07, 2011 07:00 PM (dieO2)

162 Ace, didn't his campaign issue a pretty direct, categorical denial? If he didn't do it, why go any further?

You have a lot of credibility built up from Weiner-fest, so it's not like the Morons always go against you.

And, if you know there's more coming out, much more is what you said, then why the rush to get everyone on your side now? It's going to happen if the trickle becomes a tidal wave. Be patient.

I likely wouldn't have voted for Cain...and this does lean me more away from him, but I'm going to make the MFM prove their case. It's the right thing to do.

Posted by: The Hammer at November 07, 2011 07:00 PM (7WMGf)

163 Yeah she totally said it was all done
simultaneously, not successively, and she totally also further said it
was while the vehicle was in motion.







Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (nj1bB)


Wait...what? In motion? One hand up her skirt, one hand pushing her head down....the car just steers itself?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (X6akg)

164 Or do you want it to be a surprise?
I know this is conjecture, but it seems pretty obvious that Cain isn't really trying. That he's suprised and maybe a little alarmed that he surged so dramatically in the polls. That he had no intention of winning the nomination. That noting he did or said was particularly conservative.

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (q177U)

165 Another thought on my earlier thought of specifics: Why didn't she mention them when that would nail his ass to the wall? And why does she remember the specific words, and recite them, but doesn't do so for locations, possible witnesses? We're getting on Cain for a vague statement, but besides specifying what "Cain did", there's not specifics in this woman's accusation either. It's something Ace could write up in 5 minutes with one hand holding a pudding cup to his balls!

Posted by: Mordart at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (hXX/4)

166 so we don't care what candidate we get if we try to defend another conservative until Facts come out?

You know ace, many of us haven't suspected or known of this stuff for months as you have. how about mellowing out, and let the information speak for itself?

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (h+qn8)

167 I'm still voting for him. Even as dumbassedly dumbasstastic as he's being in his handling of this smear-job, he will still beat Obama.
Fuck you, MFM.
Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 06:47 PM (I2LwF)
Agreed.
As it stands, I'm still on board with Cain.
If he's being attacked so vociferously by all sides, he must be doing something right.
Sorry but the concept of "It's not the nature of the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge," is a non-starter with me.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (6VvEU)

168 ace -

I'll allow for the probability that Cain didn't know the woman's name until the allegation was made public.

Seriously.

... a room upgrade?

I've watched the Priceline commercials - the luxury suite was unoccupied - and it is an ephemeral asset, thus an upgrade at below-market rates would be the prudent course of action ...

Jesus - if she flashed "Cain bought me this" and flashed some jewelry - or said "Cain became angry and pushed me out of the car while it was still going" or even "Cain muttered something about white women not understanding the needs of Nubian warriors" ... then there'd be something.

The man was trying to slide into third - got picked off - and left the field without complaining.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (h6mPj)

169 I don't think you people give Ace enough credit.

Posted by: Abraham Zapruder at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (2QDaE)

170 Wait...what? In motion? One hand up her skirt, one hand pushing her head down....the car just steers itself?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (X6akg)
Ace was being sarcastic.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (T0NGe)

171 http://tinyurl.com/6myoz3m

So, uh... this makes it quite a bit more credible doesn't it?

Doesn't look like she's going after him for ideological reasons.


Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 06:33 PM (3tEVR)
You know what?

I'm beginning to suspect this is a decent woman whom any one of us should be proud to call a friend, or at least a political compatriot. And what does she appear to be guilty of? Sexual chastity. Not using sex to get a job. Not breaking up a marriage by having sex with a married man.

And who are you all defending? Well, not her. Not her.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (YiE0S)

172
My fav Gloria Allred client:
Debrahlee “Debbie” Lorenzana, the "too sexy" banker.
http://bit.ly/d0b8B0

Posted by: Objective Observer at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (YpjTx)

173 If he's being attacked so vociferously by all sides, he must be doing something right.Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (6VvEU)


Not to be THAT guy, but...

Hitler.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (3tEVR)

174 O/T Romney just turned down Bret Baier's invitation to appear on Special Report. And some of you want this liberal wimp to be president. No thanks.

Posted by: devilish at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (3eTJD)

175 Don't ask don't tell?





Okay.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (nj1bB)
Nope, I want the facts to play out. Let's see what else we can find out about the accuser. I'm waiting for Cain to make a true response, if he keeps playing conservatives against the media, he's dead to me. Morte.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (DNTer)

176 cool a chessy bacon bowl in the fridge for fifteen minutes
then rub on genitals
that's money right there!

Posted by: Lt. Guy Fieri at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (FduBR)

177 At least he didn't takeit out.

Posted by: Elaine Benes at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (D6k5x)

178 Sharon Bialek sued by David Axelrod's firm in 2009 on behalf of Illinois Lending. Case drags on until Sept 22 2011, when it was quashed.
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
http://tinyurl.com/bqsjjh8

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (w41GQ)

179 Oddly, the National Geographic Channel just started playing American Beaver. Not sure if they have footage of Cain poking one.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (niZvt)

180 The Dems and the leftist media circled the wagons around Clinton, each time a woman accused him of....something. They called the women "liars" and "gold-diggers" and "sluts".
We shouldn't do the same thing.
We shouldn't automatically throw Cain under the bus for this either.
I am a solid Perry supporter, because I think he has the best record. ....But I hate it that this stuff is coming out about Cain. Even though Cain was quick to blame this on Perry.....I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt, until something is proven.
Here is what I can't stop wondering about. .....Cain did the unthinkable thing, back in the 90's. He challenged Bill Clinton at one of hisscripted town hall things....about HillaryCare....and embarrassed Clinton.
This happened in the 90's.....These allegations are from the 90's.....and they all happened after Cain publically embarrassed Clinton. ....Clinton's various 'bimbo erruptions' (as they were called back then)were happening during the 90's too.
As we learned with Clinton, these things are hard to prove. ....So, what better way is there to 'get even' with someone, than to engineer some sexual harrassment claims against them. ...Do we know why Cain left the Restaurant Assn before his term was up? And what, if anything, did these two women who worked there,do after they left there?
All we have right now are a lot of big question marks. ....Its way too soon to condemn any of the parties at this point.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (FaACh)

181 You know who this helps?

Herman Cain.

Now he doesn't have to explain 9-9-9 in detail.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (rJVPU)

182 Wait until Romney has to personally defend the Mormon church from its founding to today and everyone associated with it.

Seriously, I've predicted many times that Obama's "religious background" has cleared a path for Romney; basically, if we swallowed that outrage, the oddness of LDS theology is barely noticeable. Moreover, the LDS v. Evangelical tension will actually gain Romney votes from independents and Democrats and silence the MSM.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (dij/b)

183 After his poll numbers tank, he'll be on the Oprah Network informing all of us how everyone in the Republican party has a N-rock.

Posted by: Yo Papers Please at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (EL+OC)

184 "Since she attended that TeaCon meeting, I think, to confront Cain, I
don't take it as evidence she is herself a Tea Partier. We don't know
*why* she was there. Given the confrontation, it could have been only
for that purpose."

Yeah, fair enough. I may be going too far.

But I am beginning to have serious doubts about Herman Cain, and she is starting to look pretty good to me by comparison.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (YiE0S)

185 123
Honestly, I don't care if he eats babies with wasabi and cheese.




I just want a conservative.







Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2011 06:53 PM (1DqBk)


He talks the talk sometimes, but then again he wants to institute entirely new revenue streams for the federal government.

Posted by: Dandolo at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (0EfFn)

186 Cain and Gingrich have both mainly been on book tours. Until a few week ago Cain had a staff of like, 6 people.

Gingrich didn't even bother losing weight this time. Last time he was considering a run he lost tons of weight -- which just made him look haggard and jowly. This time Gingrich was like, fuck it, and just trundles his fat ass around. Gingrich's staff is now mainly his daughter I think.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (QcFbt)

187 Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 07, 2011 07:03 PM (w41GQ)

It wasn't the same David Axelrod.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (3tEVR)

188 Done it.Drive with left knee.

My assumption was they were in a limo.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:04 PM (MMC8r)

189 Wait...what? In motion? One hand up her skirt, one hand pushing her head down....the car just steers itself?

I see you are not farmiliar with my work.

Posted by: Tommy Lee at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (D6k5x)

190 Ace-Charles, Charles-Ace. Interchangable

Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (wPKc6)

191 So, when will O'Reily have that body language chick on about today's presser?

Posted by: Dennis Miller's shit eating grin at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (bZ8J6)

192 Ace, if you were advising Cain, would you tell him to address the particulars?

I think that would be terrible advice.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 201

Absolutely. I think the Cain reaction that Ace scorns is actually real damn good. Best way. regrettable though it is as far as Mr. O'Spades in concerned, to deal with slow-drip "are you still beating your wife" "issues" is to call out the corrupt script.

If there is anything of substance to these charges, other than the fact that they've been made, we haven't been regaled with it. Sure, could happen--but the Cain response is a good one for the eventual GOP nominee to study when the fabulists' guns turn on him (sorry, Michelle B.)

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (Gfgj6)

193 >>>The man was trying to slide into third - got picked off - and left the field without complaining.

Right. So, you think it did happen, but you think it's spinnable and liveable.

Aren't we as a party entitled to know which Story we'll have to go out there with -- A Complete Frame-Up or One Free Grope ?

And if he groped her, get this, he's guilty in the other cases, too.

I see a lot of people who are really, really wanting to double down on that "Let's Pick the Most Unqualified Godawful Candidate We Can Possibly Find" strategy.

So we can stick it to the Establishment like Cain sticks it to job applicants.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (nj1bB)

194 I was interested in Cain until he went into near Bidenesque gaffe-o-matic mode. I still think he's a top notch CEO but not ready to be Command in Chief even though Obama has set the bar remarkably, devestatingly low.
That being said, this latest charge just seems bogus. Why would a Republican go to Gloria Allred? Also, I guy that would jam a woman's face into his crotch is likely to have left a trail of offended women behind him. Unless we hear a bunch more women come forward with similar credible allegations, it just seems extremely unlikely that he would do something like this (not impossible, just extremely unlikely).
Even though I prefer Gingrich or Perry, I'm not buying this latest accusation.

Posted by: OCBill at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (YJvVE)

195
How sad. He should just say: "I'm a man. Men fuck. FYNQ."
A boy can dream.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (wMsKw)

196 Posted by: Dennis Miller's shit eating grin at November 07, 2011 07:05 PM (bZ8J6)

I think she's on every Thursday.

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (3tEVR)

197 Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject.
--------
And since you so clearly staked out this position now, you'll obviuosly be ready to admit wrongness if it so turns out to be that way..right? I mean, that's what you've been harping on all day. People wishcasting and refusing to believe the truth. And if that's what happens to you, you'll be the first guy to apologize for declaring an innocent man guilty?

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (ldOlo)

198 Ace-Charles, Charles-Ace. Interchangable

Those are pistols at dawn words...

Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (ZUFNn)

199 Is Ms Bialek going to be making the rounds on the morning talk shows like GMA?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (H/kgP)

200 Sharon Bialek sued by David Axelrod's firm in 2009 on behalf of Illinois Lending. Case drags on until Sept 22 2011, when it was quashed. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?

HOLY SHIT, that's fishy as hell.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (MMC8r)

201 I lived through the sexual harassment firestorm of the mid to late 90's and can only say that any man who didn't learn after the first incident is a slow learner. Second incident? Serious deficiency in processing. Third or even forth? I wouldn't want him as candidate for dog-catcher.

Men in power do shit sometimes. Men in power who do shit and then get called on it either stop or start learning that every action has a reaction -- almost all overwhelmingly negative to the bottom line. The fact that Cain seems to be into three or four iterations tells me I don't want him in the WH.

Posted by: General Jack D. Ripper at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (IhHdM)

202 Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 06:56 PM (T0NGe)
------

I don't mind using Politico and Allred this way. Politics is dirty and that's just the way it is. We've all seen dirtier. Looking at Cain, I see a horrible candidate that would lose to Obama worse than McCain. I also see that Cain is the frontrunner for some god-awful reason. Now, this country being the way it is, would one reasonably expect Cain to lose support due to an intellectual critique of his ideas? Nope. We're too lazy. We're bandwagon-jumpers. We don't understand the issues.
If Cain is innocent (I doubt it) I'm sorry he's gonna go down this way. We need him to drop out and this is one of the only feasible ways to have it happen.

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (zLeKL)

203 Because we need some humor. The Walkie Talkie Dead

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (GULKT)

204 Yeah well she didn't accuse you of friendly banter, Hoss. She accused you of pawing at her genitals.

Okay, I was bantering at er genitals.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (QKKT0)

205 "...if she was willing to confront him without a lawyer, it means she didn't
just make this up all of a sudden now that he's riding high in the
polls."

There's that.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (YiE0S)

206 Posted by: Sharkman at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (wMsKw)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwSeLldZqYfeature=related

Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (3tEVR)

207 I'm pretty hard to come by in NYC these days.

Posted by: Thorazine at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (2QDaE)

208 163 Yeah she totally said it was all done simultaneously, not successively, and she totally also further said it was while the vehicle was in motion.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 06:57 PM (nj1bB)
Wait...what?  In motion?  One hand up her skirt, one hand pushing her head down....the car just steers itself?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (X6akg)

Didn't you ever see that GEICO commercial? "On the one hand..."

Besides: chauffeur, I assume.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (niZvt)

209 Ace-Charles, Charles-Ace. Interchangable





Stupid.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (QKKT0)

210 You're forgetting with Cain you get-

"two stick its" for the price of one....

And that's what matters most-who cares if he would be the best President.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2011 07:07 PM (rJVPU)

211 Ace, piece of advice for the good of the country:

Pick someone and get behind them. Point out candidates flaws but keep the snark for Obama -- this is getting old.

We get it, you don't like any of them and you would rather Obama win......no? That is what it is starting to feel like.

It's your blog, do what you want, but as a very long time reader it is getting old and I spend less time (and that means less clicks here to check) here every day. I don't yet know who I support (other then I am very afraid we will elect a Nixon and not a Reagan) but I do know Obama has to go and your blog isn't doing anything to help that.


Posted by: LifeTrek at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (0jXyB)

212 Hey Ace, how bout for you next post you proclaim you know Cain to be guilty because he is black. Seems that is where you are headed.

Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (wPKc6)

213 My assumption was they were in a limo.

AHA! Assumption. Should be easy to find out if this was possible.

Get Cousin Vinnie's girlfriend on the stand.

She'll tell us if the car had a center console.

Center consoles have done for road-head what pantyhose did for dialing the Happy Station.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (4CSeG)

214 If it is true that Cain had a 1x1 dinner with this woman at that stage of his career, he's already showing ridiculous judgement. Why any married executive would do such a thing is inane.

Posted by: BruinEric at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (KCzlc)

215 I find it appalling that anyone, particulaly a Republican, would give this so much attention when there is little to no corroborative evidence.Let's see how this affects global warming
I mean, is Ace also a climate scientist?

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (/+aUB)

216 If he's being attacked so vociferously by all sides, he must be doing something right.Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:01 PM (6VvEU) Not to be THAT guy, but...Hitler.
Posted by: J at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (3tEVR)
Okay.
Massively out of context but okay...

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (6VvEU)

217 Hey Ace, how bout for you next post you proclaim you
know Cain to be guilty because he is black. Seems that is where you are
headed.

Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (wPKc6)

You're assembling quite an impressive body of asinine comments.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:09 PM (QKKT0)

218 Herman Cain is as prepared to be President of the United States as a schizophrenic Moray eel.

Pawing at women or no, MFM fairness or no.

As for Cain's response--those, my friends, are classic weasel words of which John Edwards himself would be proud.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:09 PM (7utQ2)

219 Aside: the NYT only has a market cap of $1.1B. Why not get Koch and a few others to buy it up? (Insider shares notwithstanding).

Talk about a game changer...

/hijack

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 07, 2011 07:09 PM (X/+QT)

220 190 Ace-Charles, Charles-Ace. Interchangable
Piffle.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 07, 2011 07:09 PM (FaACh)

221 212
Hey Ace, how bout for you next post you proclaim you know Cain to be
guilty because he is black. Seems that is where you are headed.

Ha, that's funny....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:10 PM (DNTer)

222 If you ask me, I'm so sick how the left rolls that I'm just going to play their game. I want them destroyed and driven into the sea, so if I saw ol' Herman with his shlong buried balls deep in the accuser's ass as far as I'm concerned I didn't see a fucking thing. Thats how the left plays. I don't care if newt came out holding a bloody severed head in one hand and an axe in the other, I didn't see fucking shit.

Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2011 07:11 PM (FMbng)

223 Wait until Romney has to personally defend the Mormon church from its founding to today and everyone associated with it.

Yup.

1. Mr. Romney, the Mormon church did not ordain black men until 1978. If you really aren't a racist then why didn't you leave the church?

2. Mr. Romney, your ancestors fled to Mexico in order to continue the practice of polygamy. Do you or do not still support polygamy?

etc.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2011 07:11 PM (YQa0T)

224 >>>HOLY SHIT, that's fishy as hell.


It's a different David Axelrod. The one in the legal complaint is David J. Axelrod. I think Obama's is David M. Axelrod. This was already debunked.

In addition, for God's sakes, check the lawsuit. It was a lender (a bank) suing over a debt, a loan.


And David Axelrod is not a lawyer and does not have a lawfirm.


B E L I E V E

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (nj1bB)

225 Guys - I think Ace is doing us a favor by forcing us to think about what kind of candidate we are possibly flirting with. Yeah - Romney sucks - we all get that. But while I think Cain is likely more conservative - he would be a far worse opponent to run against Obama. I am hoping his support moves over to Perry.

Posted by: LTC Graham at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (2tjWo)

226 I don't yet know who I support (other then I am very afraid we will
elect a Nixon and not a Reagan) but I do know Obama has to go and your
blog isn't doing anything to help that.
Yeah, because pretending Herman Cain doesn't have grave, numerous flaws as a candidate WILL help that.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (7utQ2)

227 This just in, Romney still sux.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (E8jtI)

228 LifeTrek 21

That is exactly what I believe to be true. Ace wold rather Obama than any GOP candidate. How could there be any other conclusion.

Actually I know for a fact that Ace wants Obama to win re-election. I know because Ace has not addressed the particulars of being accused of supporting Obama.

Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (wPKc6)

229 212

Ace is a misogynist, not a racist.

Posted by: Pamela Geller's Vestigial Nipple at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (D6k5x)

230 >>Why would a Republican go to Gloria Allred?


Yeah, I don't get that. Allred hates republicans and most intelligent people know she hates 'em.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (H/kgP)

231 >>>Aside: the NYT only has a market cap of $1.1B. Why not get Koch and a few others to buy it up? (Insider shares notwithstanding)

you can't, the family holds almost all the control-of-the-company shares. The shares that get circulated do not have voting rights.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (nj1bB)

232 "when some ridiculously obvious act of bullshitting and hucksterism, the
dodging of verysimple questionsor some embarrasing [sic] lack of knowledge
can be sold"

Conservatives, in large numbers, falling for a charismatic preacher sort?

Never!

Benny Hinn
Pat Robertson
Bob Larson
Oral Roberts
Kenneth Copeland
Ernest Angley (ha ha)
Herbert W. Armstrong
Jim Bakker
Kenneth Hagin
John Hagee
Rex Humbard
Peter Popoff
Jimmy Swaggart
Jack Van Impe
etc.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (YiE0S)

233 You're assembling quite an impressive body of asinine comments.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:09 PM (QKKT0)
I've never seen so many new nicks in the past few days.
kostards?

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (6VvEU)

234 Fucking Hermiebots making shit up now. God we're fucked.

Posted by: Yo Papers Please at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (EL+OC)

235 Hmmm...
As Bialek addressed reporters, the Cain campaign issued a denial dismissing the allegations as “completely false.”
“Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone,” said the statement.
The speech quoted by Ace was after that statement. So now Cain should repeat what was already said? http://tinyurl.com/72edjct

Posted by: Deanna at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (sg36E)

236 Well this is pretty much a non-statement. I'm going to ignore the new allegations. Although he already issued an "I didn't do it" without details earlier. This non-statement is seems more like a "let's see how much fire people can find in the smoke first" statement so as to not be proven false later with what he denies now. While that is conjecture and while not conclusive of guilt, indicates he is trying to hide something; which in my mind puts the odds of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

Cain; Facts are on the table. They will be verified by someone soon. Counter with your facts that she omitted or misrepresented, or if the factual portions of her statement are verified true, I will assume the other portions of her statement are true. EOL

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (0q2P7)

237 I was careless.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 07, 2011 07:14 PM (w41GQ)

238 Yeah, people should stop comparing Ace to Charles Johnson. It automatically makes you sound like more of an asshole and it undermines any other things you are trying to make a point about. Just let Ace get this out of his system. I actually kind of like these bloody brawls, but thats just me.

Posted by: Kilgore at November 07, 2011 07:14 PM (q177U)

239 Wow, you guys are a bunch of ignorant assholes. I'm assuming it's the same mentally handicapped Palinistas that just transferred their worship over to another candidate when Palin (God bless her perfect soul) said no go who are flogging themselves for Cain.

I'm a fan of Cain, or at least I was until I saw how ignorant he is of EVERY OTHER ISSUE that isn't answered by 9-9-9. Seriously, you guys think his idiotic, off the handle answers would fly in a debate with Obama? You think so? Really? Would that just be more 'MFM is to blame!!!'

No, we're getting a real chance to see how this candidate handles the fire that being president (or even running as the Republican nominee) & all the pressures that entails.

He's handled it just like someone who thought they wouldn't get this far would. Someone who wanted to sell a few books & become a more prominent Republican.

You want someone who handles adversity like this to be our nominee? Puhleez, just hand another 4 years to teh one while you're at it.

This is a huge blessing that it's coming out now & not after he's already become our nominee.

Party on, Ace. It's amazing that these people have zero understanding of human nature. You can tell a helluva lot about people be how they respond to things like this & while there isn't CSI-level evidence, dude's acting like a guilty mofo.

The 'faith based community' is certainly showing why they have their title.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 07:14 PM (DKLl9)

240 There is a reason why the ten commandments does not broadly address lying, but does adress bearing false witness.
Of this, until facts are produced, Ace and many others are guilty.

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (/+aUB)

241 I've watched the Priceline commercials - the luxury suite was unoccupied
- and it is an ephemeral asset, thus an upgrade at below-market rates
would be the prudent course of action ...

I don't think they could even prove a room upgrade, let alone 15 years ago.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (T0NGe)

242 If the accusation from this woman is true, Cain's behavior is that of a slimy cad and an exploiter.

It's not workplace sexual harassment, because he is not in a power position over her, nor are they employed at the same company. It's still despicable (if true) however.

I've said here before I'm a Cain supporter, and also that I'm waiting two weeks for as much of the story to come out as possible before I decide anything. We're eight days into my two weeks. We'll see what else comes along, including any responses Mr. Cain has to this woman's story. I don't demand a definitive response immediately.

Kudos to the woman for speaking publicly. In these days of dirty, dirty politics, anonymous charges simply do not cut it. Period.

Posted by: Mike Devx at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (kEFed)

243 OK. I really have to wonder on this one. How do you reach down with one hand to grab her between her legs, then with the other force her to you crotch?

How long is this guys arms!

Posted by: Dustoff at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (jBsSU)

244 229


212


Ace is a misogynist, not a racist.

Posted by: Pamela Geller's Vestigial Nipple at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (D6k5x)
Ace is a misanthrope, stop grabbing at vaginas.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (DNTer)

245 What particulars can be proven false?

The only thing that is claimed he did that could be considered immoral is his supposed attempt at groping her and pulling her head down.

How can any claim he makes that that didn't happen be proved false?

It's her story against his denial. Even all. Tie game.

He upgraded her hotel. Maybe suspicious to the wife but not necessarily indicative of nefarious intent. Driving her to the NRA to show her around; same.

There wasn't any quid pro quo, no date rape, no harassment and no bullying according to the woman's own account.

Even the groping is relatively mild and might have been more innocuous than her description of it. Which I'm sure is her intent.

Let's find out who she's linked to and who's paying her bills. Allred is a NOW and Dem operative and trolls for these kind of cases so her involvement makes the whole thing smell.

See they stopped going after Perry cause he tanked so quickly and hasn't recovered. Cain needed to be put down quick and hard for both sides of the aisle's interests.

Your rush to judgment is case in point.

Posted by: Valar Dohaeris at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (EntKW)

246 O/T but here goes:
Would anyone want to see a lifelong government guy running their business? Say you owned 10% of a company's stock, and this company is looking for its next CEO. Would you consider someone who got elected to the city council right out out of college, then became district attorney, state attorney general, member of the House of Representatives, U.S. Senator, and governor with no business experience whatsoever? Board of Directors maybe, but not CEO.
It seems like a bad idea. Likewise, why would we want someone with no government experience to run the executive branch of the U.S. government?
For what it's worth, I've never seen these people get elected. For all their precious "executive experience" in the corporate world, Tom Gollisano loses, Ross Perot loses, Meg Whitman loses, Steve Forbes loses, and Herman Cain loses. In fact, they don't even make a close contest of it.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (m27MR)

247 I've never seen so many new nicks in the past few days.
kostards?I think the OWS tweet stream has attracted some interesting new trolls. the most enjoyable thing is watching how much Breitbart annoys the hippies.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (7utQ2)

248 OK BJ in the front seat etiquette, or groping a woman in the passenger seat, always consists of driving with the left hand and left hand only, the right is used to guide the head down to the crotch, or feel under the skirt. Driving with the knees?? Freakin amatures...want your legs to spasm when you bust and wreck your car? Hell no, left hand people, left hand.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (B0ebt)

249
"So we can stick it to the Establishment like Cain sticks it to job applicants."

Ba da bing!

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (YiE0S)

250 OK. I really have to wonder on this one. How do you reach down with one
hand to grab her between her legs, then with the other force her to you
crotch?
America needs a Commander and Chief who has extraordinary motor skills!

Posted by: The Herman Cain 2012 Committee at November 07, 2011 07:17 PM (QKKT0)

251 This is nothing more than a Howard Dean "Yaaaaarrgg!" It's a rally call to his supporters. Look at how they've sprung to his defense here.
"Support me or you're siding with the evil, lying, leftist media and you want Obama to win!!!"
Yeah, do that, call them sonsabitches out! They buy ink by the barrel, and the pigs love wrestling in mud. But you're WINNING!!
Jebus.
Hey, maybe I can do both--doubt the media and you? You know, because I do. They are lying sacks of shit. But you sure as shit ain't done nothing to put this to bed.
Is it so hard to say the truth, Mr. Cain? At long last, will you simply tell us the truth?

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 07, 2011 07:17 PM (hROVJ)

252 In other news, Obama's a Wall St. whore.http:///tinyurl.com/7zn83v6 But it's not important, let's continue stabbing each other with political daggers.....

Posted by: we'refucked.gov at November 07, 2011 07:17 PM (D8vUP)

253 aw yomomma makes sweeping generalizations and also attributes them to everyone with an issue in believing media smears.

i'm a palin /perry bot btw.
yeah . are you a mittbot?

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 07:18 PM (h+qn8)

254 That being said, this latest charge just seems bogus. Why would a Republican go to Gloria Allred?
Why? Well obviously because Allred ponies up the dough to upgrade her clients' hotel rooms, that's why. We have top men checking out the expense trail. TOP. MEN.

B E L I E V E !

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 07:18 PM (2QDaE)

255 OK. I really have to wonder on this one. How do you reach down with one hand to grab her between her legs, then with the other force her to you crotch? How long is this guys arms!
Posted by: Dustoff at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (jBsSU)
Look, if you twirl pizza doughs your entire life you can do things.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 07:18 PM (MtwBb)

256 Well this is pretty much a non-statement. I'm going to ignore the new allegations. Although he already issued an "I didn't do it" without details earlier. This non-statement is seems more like a "let's see how much fire people can find in the smoke first" statement so as to not be proven false later with what he denies now. While that is conjecture and while not conclusive of guilt, indicates he is trying to hide something; which in my mind puts the odds of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

Cain; Facts are on the table. They will be verified by someone soon. Counter with your facts that she omitted or misrepresented, or if the factual portions of her statement are verified true, I will assume the other portions of her statement are true. EOL
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 07:13 PM (0q2P7)

This is how a reasonable man is persuaded.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:18 PM (YiE0S)

257 You have a lot of credibility built up from Weiner-fest, so it's not like the Morons always go against you.

This. I think Ace has a pretty good record for this sort of thing, and I think his reasoning is sound. Not to say there is no grounds for skepticism -- for crying out loud who goes to Gloria Allred as a mouth-piece if they are wanting credibility?

I also wonder why it is that these allegations come from a pretty narrow time period of his career. What, he just couldn't be mellow on the blue pills during the 90's?

Look, Cain is not qualified on a number of levels, and he has become the conservative Rorschach test much the way Obama became one for the other side. Don't let him become the conservatives' boyfriend.

Let's be on the side of reason and persuasion. Persuade me that Ace is wrong. Don't pull out the frickin' pitchforks. Because right now, if you're a Cain fan, you've got some work to do to win me over, and vitriol ain't gonna cut it.

If I want an establishment Republican, Romney has run a pretty tight, disciplined ship. If I want a candidate who I think has essentially conservative instincts, I have Newt -- warts and all -- to turn to.

There is a lot that I like about Cain. If he can address this satisfactorily, fine. But Ace's analysis is spot on.

Oh. And just so I won't seem like a sycophant. Ace: You suck.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM (3n84Z)

258 >>>“Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone,” said the statement.


That is a legal conclusion, like when Hillary Clinton kept saying that she broke no laws and did not perjure herself in Whitewater.

But she refused to deny SPECIFIC facts, because if she got caught in those, it would be perjury.

Some people think he did this, but it was just a pass, and not harassment. In other words, Cain could mean "yeah I did that but it's not harassment.""

Well, maybe it's not. It's probably not harassment, actually. It's just boorish adultery and advantage-taking.

But we have the right to know which one of these Spin Scenarios we're signing up for.

Is it that "hey, sure, I like pretty girls, what are you gonna do?"

or is he claiming to be fully innocent?

Denying the legal category does not tell us. It only tells us that whatever the facts, Cain does not consider it to be harassment.

Well, of course he'd think that. Few harassers think "Now I'm going to harass someone."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM (nj1bB)

259 He's handled it just like someone who thought they wouldn't get this far would. Someone who wanted to sell a few books & become a more prominent Republican.

At this point I doubt he'd become a more prominent Republican.

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM (zLeKL)

260 Damn sock! Yeah, not really "Kilgore" LOL

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM (q177U)

261 What a cluster-fuck this has become.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM (C5JiW)

262 bullshit is bullshit,no matter how it's packaged.

this is just another effort at a high tech lynching.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (d1FhN)

263 >>>I see a lot of people who are really, really wanting to double down on
that "Let's Pick the Most Unqualified Godawful Candidate We Can Possibly
Find" strategy.



>>>So we can stick it to the Establishment like Cain sticks it to job applicants.

And with the same apparent level of ultimate success.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (hIWe1)

264 246
O/T but here goes:
Would anyone want to see a lifelong government guy running their business? Say you owned 10% of a company's stock, and this company is looking for its next CEO. Would you consider someone who got elected to the city council right out out of college, then became district attorney, state attorney general, member of the House of Representatives, U.S. Senator, and governor with no business experience whatsoever? Board of Directors maybe, but not CEO.
It seems like a bad idea. Likewise, why would we want someone with no government experience to run the executive branch of the U.S. government?
For what it's worth, I've never seen these people get elected. For all their precious "executive experience" in the corporate world, Tom Gollisano loses, Ross Perot loses, Meg Whitman loses, Steve Forbes loses, and Herman Cain loses. In fact, they don't even make a close contest of it.
Posted by: FireHorse at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (m27MR)


Aren't CEO's really interested in making their businesses grow and finding new sources of revenue?

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (GULKT)

265 Sharon Bialek sued by
David Axelrod's firm in 2009 on behalf of Illinois Lending. Case drags
on until Sept 22 2011, when it was quashed. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
HOLY SHIT, that's fishy as hell.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:06 PM (MMC8r)

That's David J.AxelrodThe scoamf is David M. Axelrod

Posted by: YIKE! at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (70TBD)

266 What disturbs me most is Cain's poor technique. Everyone one knows the right hand heads for the cooter, the left, boobs!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (niZvt)

267 Most of ace's posts relate somehow to his fear/hatred of vaginas. He hates Palin, Geller, and Bachmann and Cain's vagina-lust repulses him. He's also not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (H/kgP)

268 So we get Romney and then the PaulTards will go all 3rd party on us? Awesome.

Fuck Ron Paul sideways with a flaming gold brick.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (QcFbt)

269 I told her that I'd fix her my special 'white sauce' pizza...

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (R3k3C)

270 LifeTrek 21

That is exactly what I believe to be true. Ace wold rather Obama than any GOP candidate. How could there be any other conclusion.

Ummm gride...



That is exactly what I believe to be true. Ace Herman Cain wold [sic]rather Obama than any GOP candidate. How could there be any other conclusion. (?)

***

Ya when Herman Cain said he couldn't support Rick Perry (as of today blah,blah blah) as the Republican nominee...


Herman Cain would rather Obama won....

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (rJVPU)

271 B E L I E V E Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (nj1bB)

Uh, Ace, I've been saying on all the recent threads that I'm not a Cain backer. Take a breath. You're getting a little wound up in the fight.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (MMC8r)

272 I really don't see the need to pile on Cain, because even without these allegations he stood a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination. These claims will probably only help him with the Republican base, because they hate the media so much.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (B0ebt)

273 OK. I really have to wonder on this one. How do you reach down with one hand to grab her between her legs, then with the other force her to you crotch? How long is this guys arms!
Posted by: Dustoff at November 07, 2011 07:15 PM (jBsSU)
Look, if you twirl pizza doughs your entire life you can do things.
Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 07:18 PM (MtwBb)

Maybe we wasnt using his arm ?

Posted by: the Jackhole at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (nTgAI)

274 There is a lot that I like about Cain.

Name one thing, because I don't get it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:22 PM (7utQ2)

275 the most enjoyable thing is watching how much Breitbart annoys the hippies.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:16 PM (7utQ2)
Yeah, Brietbart is definitely the MVP for the team!

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:22 PM (6VvEU)

276 Resist she much!

Posted by: Al Crapton at November 07, 2011 07:22 PM (bZ8J6)

277 So we get Romney and then the PaulTards will go all 3rd party on us?

Paultards were always voting for Obama. Paul said he wouldn't run as a 3rd party candidate. He'll probably support whoever the green party puts up, like he did last time. Because it makes sense for the "libertarian" to support the socialist candidate.

Posted by: The Fleshlight at November 07, 2011 07:22 PM (usXZy)

278 >>>So we can stick it to the Establishment like Cain sticks it to job applicants.

You mean... With our finger?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:22 PM (niZvt)

279 I know more about quarterbacking than Cain knows about running for office!

Posted by: Tim Tebow at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (usXZy)

280
Wow I think Ace is trying to beat Politico for the most negative stories about Cain in one day!

Posted by: TorchesToRome at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (eb0gS)

281 What disturbs me most is Cain's poor technique. Everyone one knows the right hand heads for the cooter, the left, boobs!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (niZvt)


I like to start out using both hands on the ass.

Posted by: B. Frank at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (70TBD)

282 No touch of clit, you must acquit !

Posted by: Johnnie Cockran at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (mWEpI)

283 Man you guys have no imagination-

the car was parked!

I hired a LIMO-

Upgrade!

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (rJVPU)

284 There is a reason why the ten commandments does not broadly address lying, but does adress bearing false witness.
Of this, until facts are produced, Ace and many others are guilty.I want to say I don't think you're that stupid , but I actually think you are!

No one here is "witnessing" that they saw what the hell went on. We're forming opinions on what we think happened based on the witnessing of other people, and on Cain's handling (or mishandling) of this.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (YiE0S)

285 Let's be blunt - until the accusations are substantiated, then all that anyone really has is just "we'll my informed opinion is..."
If Cain upsized her hotel room, then find the record of it and put it out there. Beyond that, though, that's about the only specific claim that she made that can really be investigated.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (oOKmd)

286 I am voting for whoever gets the nomination, period. I am also counting on the fact that a RINO-ish Romney will get corralled by the GOP House and Senate, an inexperienced Cain will choose competent cabinet members and have a GOP HOuse and Senate, a hapless Perry will lean on his GOP HIuse and Senate...and, if we keep eating our own, even ol' Bo-rock Obama will have a GOP House and Senate.

I don't give a fuck who wins the nomination anymore. If the least of these cannot beat the petulant asshole we have in the White House now - who has never even pretended to be my President, who calls me names, ascribes to me evil motives, lies about me every chance he gets - then we deserve to lose.

House and Senate are the key.


Posted by: My Sharia Moor at November 07, 2011 07:24 PM (KZi9D)

287 I want the primaries to weed out our candidates. Not the MFM, not the dems, not Ace.I want to find out,from their own words,who has the best grasp of the issues facing us, the best policy to extricate us from the SCOAMF's dungheap, and FACTS (not innuendo or second-handhearsay)about his general character.
Falling in withthe blatant character assassination of a man just because he's not perfect is wrong, plain and simple. You've said it yourself time and time again, especially when you were defending Mike Castle.
Oh wait.....that's it, isn't it? You're still pissed over Mike Castle.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2011 07:24 PM (SjIxd)

288 279 I know more about quarterbacking than Cain knows about running for office!
Posted by: Tim Tebow at November 07, 2011 07:23 PM (usXZy)

I know more about throwing completions to the other team than Cain knows about properly groping a woman's vagina.

Posted by: Rex Grossman at November 07, 2011 07:24 PM (B0ebt)

289 Doubtful he can recover.

'Innocent until accused' is a wonderful standard. Not much more to say that the last five anti-Cain threads haven't said at some point. Seriously, has any innocent non-Dem political ever survived such an unprovable sexual accusation? I'm curious.

Sigh. <All else is redacted for brevity.>

Video evidence of the event in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n2Rv7oeeU8t=23

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (X/+QT)

290
Uh, Ace, I've been saying on all the recent threads that I'm not a Cain backer. Take a breath. You're getting a little wound up in the fight.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:21 PM (MMC8r)
I think Ace might be really well served by limiting himself to one or 2 posts on this a day. Early afternoon for anything in the day and night before and mid to late evening to cover anything new. With a lot of other topics between them.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (GULKT)

291 CNN ran more articles about Cain this week than about Obama's ties to terrorist Ayers and racist preacher Wright combined.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (QcFbt)

292 Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt.

Ace/Sybil has reduced themselves to contemptible chuckles.

Thanks for the laughs moron(s).

Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (e6MoS)

293 What particulars can be proven false?

Dude your whole comment is so clearly colored with rose glasses.
She has facts. The hotel, the private dinner, and a very sketchy description of the actual harassment, testimony of two other folks about what she said back then. The verifiable facts if true are not inexpiable, but they are owed an explanation. And right now Cain is leaving us to make them up for him. This is where I draw the line. I will not use my imagination and make up a story for him to dismiss facts of an allegation that he refuses to respond to. I will wait to see if they verify, and if they do, prior to him releasing a statement explaining his side, I will assume the rest of her statement is close enough to truth to make a decision from.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (0q2P7)

294 267
Most of ace's posts relate somehow to his fear/hatred of vaginas. He
hates Palin, Geller, and Bachmann and Cain's vagina-lust repulses him.
He's also not a fan of the Dallas Cowboys.

I see what you did there.... (ace also isn't a fan of Bret Farve)

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:26 PM (DNTer)

295 Ace has also been rocking the twitter during all this Caingasm. Remember the words of Rick James, Ace, cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 07:27 PM (QcFbt)

296 He's handled it just like someone who thought they wouldn't get this far would. Someone who wanted to sell a few books become a more prominent Republican.
That's pretty much my perception. Cain may be a great spokesman for important parts of the conservative message, but he's a lousy candidate, and I think it's because he never expected to get this far.

Posted by: OCBill at November 07, 2011 07:27 PM (YJvVE)

297 Not a Mittbot. Thanks though.

Not a Paulian. Not a Perryholic. Not a Newtist. Not a Santorumite (not that there's such a thing). Not a Garda-tard.

I enjoy the process & want the best product to defeat SCOMF.

Cain is not it.

Neither is his drunk driving, bankrupt, chain-smoking campaign manager. "I'll surround myself with the best people."-Cain

How's that working out.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 07:27 PM (DKLl9)

298 Hey Ace, how bout for you next post you proclaim you
know Cain to be guilty because he is black. Seems that is where you are
headed.

Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:08 PM (wPKc6)
Hey "gride", how about for you next post you suck my cousin's dick?Then grin, and tell us how much you liked it. Then........

Posted by: Major Major Major Major at November 07, 2011 07:27 PM (UqKQV)

299 Mitt Romney bit me, and sucked my bottom! I've had to live with that horror for 15 years!!!!!!111!!

Posted by: Nestlé Drumstick® The Original Sundae Cone® at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (bZ8J6)

300 Wait...what? In motion? One hand up her skirt, one hand pushing her head down....the car just steers itself?

Ahem, the third leg--he was steering the car with his third leg...

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (u/RSM)

301 so who would that be?

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (h+qn8)

302 Of this, until facts are produced, Ace and many others are guilty.

Oh, hell.

Let's talk about all the demonstrably dumbshit things Cain has said apart from this thing--care to debate your "false witness" claims in those cases?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (7utQ2)

303 "... because I see a guy who is worried that his specific denials will be proven false in turn."
1. There is a chance that Cain did the things the women accued him of doing.
2. Otherwise,I suspect that Cain is vague because he may not remember the actual events with enough clarity to recall specifics that would clear him. He also might be waiting for someone tomention an event or item that would clear him.

I suspect that 2 is the answer. The problem is that if this really is a political hit, and it certainly smells like one, Cain is in for a rough time. His accusers have had many months to get their story straight, details fleshed out, just a bit, to match the existing documentation.
Speaking of "existing documentation", is there any way to check and see if any of the NRA documents have been accessed since Cain announced his candidacy?How about recent contact between the current NRA representatives /lawyers. the original lawyers for the women (if any), the current lawyersand any Democratic/MSM reps?
This might provide an indicator ...

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (1OSTJ)

304 We can't control Cain's ______ or his crappy responses so-

Let's Control Ace's Twitter!!!!!

Posted by: Cainiac Inc. at November 07, 2011 07:29 PM (rJVPU)

305 At the very least, stuff like this is why executives don't spend alone-time with female employees (or would-be employees), especially when they're married.

Posted by: OCBill at November 07, 2011 07:29 PM (YJvVE)

306 What a fucking sexist pig!

Posted by: John Edwards at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (F6KtL)

307 Hmm. I worked at a Comfort Inn, and we knew that a third party can't alter a reservation. We also wouldn't give a third party confirmation that Jane Doe was booked to arrive. Cause that's like leaving a note that says "I know where you sleep, and these people work for ME".

What I might have done is booked a reservation for a better room, in the name of some person, and let Mr. Big worry about letting her know before she shows up. And buying it for her if she didn't.

But that was Comfort Inn about 2005-2008, so, I guess the Washington Hilton had lower standards in 1997. I mean, unless you want to believe she's lying.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (3GtyG)

308 This lying scrunt attended a tea party with Cain as the main speaker? Yeah, sounds like someone horrified of the evil man. More like she tried to get a spot on his campaign or some kind of handout. With eyes blinking and coming on to him.. and when he rebuffed her, all those lifetime for women movies she's watched suddenly took on a life of their own.

...and he grabbed my vag!! and forced my head into his crotch!!! and by the way, I was wearing a cute little number with this pattern here, featuring this and that, by designer this and that. Oh yeah, it happend 15 years ago.

Nice. I don't give a rip for Cain, but come on! I loath the msm. They lie. They are not on our side. They HATE us. Do not fall for their bullshit. Not even the premise.

Kinda like the 'occupy' bullshit. If you even fall for the premise, you're an idiot. Sorry

Posted by: What. The. Hell. at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (bcmD0)

309 And don't bother with your little bans ace. It's your M.O. When you can't stand the heat, you ban everyone from the kitchen...so they can't see you sweat.
Bon Appetit'.....

Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (e6MoS)

310 i think many here where just hoping for a conservative.
disappointment when they all get the knife.
and they will.

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (h+qn8)

311
>>>Oh, hell.Let's talk about all the demonstrably dumbshit things Cain has said apart from this thing--care to debate your "false witness" claims in those cases?
This^

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (q177U)

312 Cain is toast. It is Newts turn to be flavor of the week!

Posted by: blogforce one at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (7cXfH)

313 >>>"There is a reason why the ten commandments does not broadly address lying, but does adress bearing false witness.

Of this, until facts are produced, Ace and many others are guilty."


Bwaaaaaahaaahahaaaaaaahaaaaa

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (DKLl9)

314 Ahem, the third leg--he was steering the car with his third leg...
Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (u/RSM)
If he can do that he will be the next president.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (MtwBb)

315 Herman Cain is REAL! He's been having me since I was twelve!!

Posted by: Laura Palmer (Ably Represented by Gloria Allred) at November 07, 2011 07:30 PM (2QDaE)

316 While the 4 women alleged to have been harassed by Mr. Cain, our editor has had an ACTUAL affair with Herman Cain. In the upcoming days he will be releasing groundbreaking texts, emails, and pornographic images that confirm Sic Wilile's account and confirm his reputation as the lowest dawg in all of South Carolina politics. UNLESS Herman Cain specifically steps forward and denies the charges we will release the "smoking gun" that will effectively end his presidential aspirations and severely alter the GOP landscape.

Sic Willie strikes again!

UPDATE: I'm serious, ya'll. Go to my website and I'll give you all the prurient details, including the story about how Herman Cain taught me to grab his crotch, push his head down to my crotch, and make a 3-point turn, ALL at the SAME TIME.

Posted by: Will Folks at November 07, 2011 07:31 PM (0dyYY)

317 295
Ace has also been rocking the twitter during all this Caingasm. Remember
the words of Rick James, Ace, cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Yea, he's fun to follow on Twitter... It's the pure flow of ace from the source... without the 20,000 word filter.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:31 PM (DNTer)

318 inexpiable

Why I love AoSHQ--I have to run to the dictionary and look up the definitions of words all the time--and I thought I had a good vocabulary despite my public school education. Dang!

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 07:31 PM (u/RSM)

319 Jesus Ace, drop the anti-Cain rantsalready. You don't like Cain--we get it.If I want toread four anti-Cainarticles in one day, Politico is just a mouseclick away.

Posted by: Grim at November 07, 2011 07:31 PM (gyNYk)

320 If I was alive, I would be standing right behind Gloria during that press conference...grabbing that fat ass! hehehehe

Posted by: Ted Kennedy at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (F6KtL)

321 What disturbs me most is Cain's poor technique. Everyone one knows the right hand heads for the cooter, the left, boobs!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:20 PM (niZvt)
Cain is obviously unqualified to be president. He had no extremity left for her feet.

Posted by: Dick Morris at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (QKKT0)

322 Second look at Newt!

Posted by: The Peasants at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (IADp6)

323 No one here is "witnessing"
If you are witnessing honestly, then you would not be bearing false witness. If you are supporting mere accusations by voicing support for unsustantiated accusations, then you are.
I guess I am that stupid.

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (/+aUB)

324 Well, I hope they remember to give us a football thread.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (5H6zj)

325 At the very least, stuff like this is why executives don't spend
alone-time with female employees (or would-be employees), especially
when they're married.

This.

Posted by: Yo Papers Please at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (EL+OC)

326 This whole story stinks. This woman is not bad looking actually - I would bet 15 years ago she was very attractive.

So, she gets fired from the NRA. So her boyfriend knows Herman Cain, and says, hey, you should go down there and talk to him. So she arranges for a hotel downtown and decides to meet him after hours to talk about her *employment situation.*

In the meantime, she finds that the room has been upgraded.

So she has drinks with him, and then has dinner, and then he gets around to saying, so, why are you here? And then they drive over to the offices, and in the car he puts the moves on her, and her response is "you know I have a boyfriend, right?"

Because other than fact, everything else she is okay with?

If this was Cain's MO and the boyfriend was a total shithead I could see him saying dress up real pretty and go to dinner with him and get friendly and you can get your job back, and she was just a total whore, well, I can see this whole story going exactly as she has laid out. I am saying it isn't impossible. But it seems improbable.

Posted by: blaster at November 07, 2011 07:33 PM (Fw2Gg)

327 Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, Barack Obama is.

Posted by: Knows the dark side, Yoda does at November 07, 2011 07:33 PM (bZ8J6)

328 "Denying the legal category does not tell us. It only tells us that
whatever the facts, Cain does not consider it to be harassment."

You also have to consider that there are two types of sexual harassment: hostile work environment ... and quid pro quo.

This latest accuser, the one to come forward, was looking for a job. If he made a pass at her, as the leader of the NRA, then he was in a position to influence her career and earnings, obviously, either positively or negatively. Whether he thought of himself as harassing her or not, he may have been. Certainly, he could have been perceived to be.

What if he had gotten her a job (and a Palatial suite -- with WHOSE money, I keep on asking)? Even if she was super happy with the situation, it could still have created a quid pro quo situation, or the appearance of it. And her not getting a job, after him making a pass at her, raises similar issues, real or imagined.

Quite frankly, if you want to steer clear of quid pro quo harassment as an employer and you DO want to hit on your pretty lady applicants / upgrade their hotel suites ... you had better not do it while they're applying for work, for fuck sakes. If they had a steady job with no immediate advancement prospects, and you just fucked them or asked them anyhow, then maybe you could get away with this by saying didn't impact their job.

Maybe.

But this situation ain't like that at all! She was trying to get a job.

Did he upgrade her suite?

Who paid for that?

Will he deny trying to get her to give him a blow job?

Will he deny reaching for her pussy?

What about the people she told about this at the time?

What about her confronting him with this, back when he was lagging in the poles, in person?

Doesn't this indicate a certain type of character on her part?

Even if not, doesn't this whole thing, if it happened, indicate a lack of character on Cain's part?

Even if he didn't legally harass her?

And let's not even talk about "hostile work environment", with the other two settled claims.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:33 PM (YiE0S)

329 Oh, hell.Let's talk about all the demonstrably dumbshit things Cain has said apart from this thing--care to debate your "false witness" claims in those cases?
--------
Why do some of you people, including ace, continue to talk about Cain's OTHER problems? How many of us have said "I'm not a Cain guy, but I do not support the character assassination going on right now." It has nothing, whatsoever, to do with his other problems, including his policy gaffes. Yet, so many of you resort to this "WELL WHAT ABOUT WHEN HE SAID CHINA DIDNT HAVE NUKES!!"
What the hell does that have to do with this? Ace did that with his "willing to elect the most unqualified blah blah blah." What do the rest of his gaffes and his policy blunders have anything to do with these allegatiosn. Answer: not a thing.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:33 PM (ldOlo)

330 320
If I was alive, I would be standing right behind Gloria during that press conference...grabbing that fat ass! hehehehe

If you were alive, you'd be kicking and screaming to get out of your coffin. And it would be just desserts for what you did to Mary Jo, you fat ass.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 07, 2011 07:33 PM (DNTer)

331 Yea, he's fun to follow on Twitter... It's the pure flow of ace from the source... without the 20,000 word filter.
I'm still stalking around trying to find Empire of Jeff's twiiter feed. Hint: its not "Empire of Jeff"

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 07:34 PM (q177U)

332 Holy shit, who the fuck is running Cain's PR? Fuck, it's worse than mine!

Posted by: Gary Hart at November 07, 2011 07:34 PM (F6KtL)

333 Aren't CEO's really interested in making their businesses grow and finding new sources of revenue?
Yes, and through there are a lot of sound analogies between business and government, the two are just too different. In fact, the most successful CEOs already know the business they aspire to run, either by years of service with the company in question or with a close competitor. Examples:
Unilever's current CEO was the Chief Financial Officer at Nestle. When he got turned down for CEO there, Unilever hired him. It's going very well.
Bob Nardelli was a top guy at GE, lost his run at CEO to Immelt. When Nardelli went to Home Depot, it was a mess. Then he ran Chrysler. That was a disaster.
Going from running Godfather's Pizza to President of the United States is more of a stretch than that. That's like Michael Jordan playing baseball and winning the World Series six times with the White Sox. Actually, it's more like Mookie Blaylock winning a gold medal in figure skating.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 07, 2011 07:34 PM (m27MR)

334 ugh. This is like reading the wall in a porta-potty looking for news.


Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 07:35 PM (4CSeG)

335
While not as concerned as Ace about this whole thing, and I'd really care less if it putsCain out of the race. Even if every single accusation is true, and Cain goes head to head with Borack in the general election, and the voters choose STOAMF over Cain because of these accusations, I'd have to say the country deserves to go down in flames.
That said, Cain really is proving himself to be a complete dumb ass on the actual issues. But he'd still be a better president that the complete dumb ass in office right now.

Posted by: Jimmah at November 07, 2011 07:35 PM (dW0Dp)

336
Who do you think is paying Ace more forthe Cain bashing, Democrats or the GOP establishment?

Posted by: TorchesToRome at November 07, 2011 07:35 PM (eb0gS)

337 I know that none of this sounds good for Cain. Until this point, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of the lack of specifics.
On the other hand, the Justin Bieber Scrunt provided plenty of lurid details as well. It wasn't knownuntil several days later though, that the she has a police record and told two other men that they were the father of her bastard baby before she filed against the Biebs. I did find it ironic that in her mugshot, she's wearing a necklace that says "FAME".
I just don't know.

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (u/RSM)

338 Ask yourselves honestly -- if a woman accused you of doing something you didn't do, wouldn't you be mad as hell?? Wouldn't you go to the first microphone you could find and call her a bald face liar?

'buh, buh, but..you're a politician, you have to be polite..'

But he's an unconventional candidate and we've never seen anything like him. He needs to put out more than a press release mentioning 9-9-9.


Posted by: sunny black at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (0dyYY)

339 >>>This whole story stinks. This woman is not bad looking actually - I would bet 15 years ago she was very attractive. Who cares? Cain doesn't even WANT to win the nomination, so it actually doesn't matter if he is being set up. He's not a serious candidate.

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (q177U)

340 That's pretty much my perception. Cain may be a great spokesman for important parts of the conservative message, but he's a lousy candidate, and I think it's because he never expected to get this far.
Posted by: OCBill at November 07, 2011 07:27 PM (YJvVE)
Just to throw it out there, I believe that Cain's strengths are that he is not a politician but a businessman.
We constantly bitch about how much we hate politicians who've never held a real job but once a real businessman throws in, all we want to do is complain about his lack of political experience.
What a bunch of bullshit.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (6VvEU)

341 Wait! So fuck all this noise. If Cain was innocent and nothing ever happened, why in the wide world of sports did he 1) Blame Perry and 2) Play the Race Card?

Everything else is bullshit--from media smear job to bimbos looking for a buck defenses--all bullshit. Because if he is innocent, there is absolutely no honest reason for him to have done 1 and 2 above. He knew all this, he fucking knew all this was going to come out and his "conservative character" is to point fingers and play the race card?

Good thing we know Cain is a true conservative on account of all the judges he's appointed, all the bills he's sponsored and all the candidates he's campaigned for. You can find out more about our true conservative this week in Alabama (3/13/12 primary date) where he will be out there winning the GOP nomination. *

*Campaign appearances in IA, NH, NV, SC and FL to be determined.

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (hROVJ)

342 291
CNN ran more articles about Cain this week than about Obama's ties to terrorist Ayers and racist preacher Wright combined.


Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 07, 2011 07:25 PM (QcFbt)
Sounds like some blogs I choose to visit.

Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (e6MoS)

343 Uuhnm... Can't we all just get along and convince Sarah Palin to run?? Cain is not just being vetted, he is being eviscerated by the hell-hounds of the media. What was he thinking running for president?? He thought the drunken bull-shite escapades he engaged in would not become public knowledge?? This is why I won't run for president any time soon. i don't even REMEMBER half of the shite I must of done when loaded.not to mention names... How can Herman Cain?

Posted by: blogforce one at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (7cXfH)

344 Yes, but were there any young interns involved...preferably, young boys...very young boys...

Posted by: Mark Foley at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (F6KtL)

345 I've abused more dogs than Cain has groped vaginas! Where's my football thread!

Posted by: Mike Vick at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (usXZy)

346 277 Paultards were always voting for Obama.

I beg to differ. We had a significant group of Paul supporters at the 2008 State Republican Party Convention that I was a delegate to. They were unhappy that the McCain contingent beat them, but they understood how the game is played, and simply vowed to get stronger next time around.

(Me? I got cornered into being a McCain whip cause I owed a guy a favor. Still trying to get that taste out of my mouth)

Granted, these were the party animals, but I suspect that most Paul supporters will support a free-market Republican over a Socialist SCOAMF.

Unless the nominee is Romney; then it's Libertarian Party ticket all the way, baby.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (hW3KZ)

347 Let me see if I have this right. Cain has, out of nowhere, become a front-runner in the GOP polls. Some of us see him as an interesting alternative to Romney/Perry, others see him as McCain II. That's what primaries are for, to hash this out.

Again, out of nowhere, left-leaning news sources and leftist lawyers pull out some decades-old sexual harassment allegations against Cain. Those who already do not like Cain seize upon these allegations with glee. They are of the "where there's smoke there's fire", and the end justifies the means if it will only rid us of this annoying Cain. Politics is a contact sport, comrade.

Meanwhile, those of us who wish to let the story play out, and are suspicious of an MSM who has done this sort of hit-job repeatedly, are ignorant, wishcasting pollyannas who see no wrong in Cain and will defend him to the death.





Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (dIHHd)

348 Careful or China's gonna get some nukes.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (DKLl9)

349 [tune: Sexy Sadie]

Herman Cain
What have you done?
You came along to turn on everyone
You came along to "turn on" every o-n-e
Herman Cain what have you done

One sunny day the Repubs were waiting for a lover
You came along to turn on everyone
Herman Cain, turn me on, dead man

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (deaac)

350 I thought there wasn't enough infighting on this thread, so I'm here to address this need.

P.S. INSIDIUS BAD APPELZ

Posted by: Zimriel at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (6GvAC)

351 1 of our prisoners for 500 of theirs? Hell yes!

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (DKLl9)

352 Ask yourselves honestly -- if a woman accused you of doing something you didn't do, wouldn't you be mad as hell?? Wouldn't you go to the first microphone you could find and call her a bald face liar? 'buh, buh, but..you're a politician, you have to be polite..'But he's an unconventional candidate and we've never seen anything like him. He needs to put out more than a press release mentioning 9-9-9.
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No, you don't. Not in today's world, where one mistake can equal a lawsuit. You have to preface EVERYTHING with a "to the best of my recollection, allegedly, as far I can remember, etc."

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (ldOlo)

353 2. Otherwise,I suspect that Cain is vague because he may not remember
the actual events with enough clarity to recall specifics that would
clear him. He also might be waiting for someone tomention an event or
item that would clear him.

The immediate flaw that I can see here is that someone who did not do these things should have no problem issuing a clear cut denial. As on old married dude I can say with 100% certainty that I have not put the moves on another woman since my wife and I began dating. I don't remember every woman I have ever met at business functions, social events, etc., but I can guarantee that I have never grabbed another woman's boobs or crotch nor have I ever tried to talk another woman into the sack.

IMO he doesn't need to recall specifics that would clear him, if he is being falsely accused he needs to be consistent and be pissed off and avoid weasel words or terms that can be parsed.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (YQa0T)

354 So, has anyone asked the exact date/year Ms Bialek hired counsel known for such high profile cases? Not saying it would prove anything, but it would be interesting to know.

Posted by: The Hammer at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (7WMGf)

355 We constantly bitch about how much we hate politicians who've never held a real job ...
Being a politician is a real job. We bitch because Barack Obama hasn't even done that.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (m27MR)

356 Second look at Newt!
Posted by: The Peasants at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (IADp6)

What do you think, Newt?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (D6k5x)

357 OT: John Kasich Scott Walker on Ohio's Uphill Battle Against Govt. Unions

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (d6QMz)

358 For that question, I'm just going to agree with Newt. What did he say? Yup, that sounds good to me.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (DKLl9)

359 What do the rest of his gaffes and his policy blunders have anything to do with these allegatiosn. Answer: not a thing.

Which is precisely my point. But they do relate to his complete lack of presidential timber. An aspect that the Cain supporters tend to ignore completely. OK, you are not one, but those guys pretend that the Politico stuff is the only thing going against him. I don't give a rip about this stuff because Cain evaporated as an option to me when he said he didn't have a position on war the country has been fighting for a decade and that he wouldn't have one unless he was elected.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (7utQ2)

360 If you are witnessing honestly, then you would
not be bearing false witness. If you are supporting mere accusations by
voicing support for unsustantiated accusations, then you are.
I guess I am that stupid.

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (/+aUB)

So tell us all how you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent because he wasn't convicted of murder.Or did you bear false witness by making a judgment based on his own inconsistent statements, the surrounding circumstances and the unsubstantiated statements of others????? If you judged O.J. guilty without absolute proof, how can you live with yourself??

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (QKKT0)

361 Let's talk about all the demonstrably dumbshit things Cain has said apart from this thing--care to debate your "false witness" claims in those cases?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:28 PM (7utQ2)
So, your point is; That I should take the observation that I made in this case and apply to some other unassociated case.
You really need to fight the "LIBERAL THINK."

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (/+aUB)

362 228 Ace wold rather Obama than any GOP candidate. How could there be any other conclusion.Posted by: gride at November 07, 2011 07:12 PM (wPKc6)

Ace has previously stated he supported Perry, but has been disappointed in Perry's debate performances. See, most rational people can acknowledge faults in their preferred candidates - something the Palin, Cain, and Romney fans have a problem with.

Posted by: wooga at November 07, 2011 07:40 PM (vjyZP)

363 What? Oh, that was a joke. America can't take a joke anymore.

Yes it was about electrifying the fence & electrocuting people, that's TEH FUNNEH!

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:41 PM (DKLl9)

364 @357
I was just going to say we need to find out what's happening in Ohio and there you are, Miss80s, gamely trying to get the blog back on track!

So how did we lose the polls on that one? Did the Dems flood the airwaves with ads, was it media bias, something else?

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 07:41 PM (5H6zj)

365 I just don't know.

Posted by: runningrn at November 07, 2011 07:36 PM (u/RSM)

Wait. What's this about Justin Bieber????

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:41 PM (QKKT0)

366 347
Again, out of nowhere, left-leaning news sources and leftist lawyers
pull out some decades-old sexual harassment allegations against Cain.

Teh Fred thinks it could be a Republican planting the stories.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at November 07, 2011 07:42 PM (hW3KZ)

367 Yeesh, is this place trying to give Politico a run for the Most Cain Bashingest Spot on the net?

What a disappointment

Posted by: DaMav at November 07, 2011 07:42 PM (QNU76)

368 You know what would help this debate, Morons and Ace? A lot more wild-eyed, absolutist rhetoric.

And if you disagree with me, then you're worse than Hitler.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 07:42 PM (MMC8r)

369 You know how awesome I am?! I'm prochoice AND prolife.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:42 PM (DKLl9)

370 346 277 Paultards were always voting for Obama.I beg to differ. We had a significant group of Paul supporters at the 2008 State Republican Party Convention that I was a delegate to. They were unhappy that the McCain contingent beat them, but they understood how the game is played, and simply vowed to get stronger next time around.(Me? I got cornered into being a McCain whip cause I owed a guy a favor. Still trying to get that taste out of my mouth)Granted, these were the party animals, but I suspect that most Paul supporters will support a free-market Republican over a Socialist SCOAMF.Unless the nominee is Romney; then it's Libertarian Party ticket all the way, baby.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at November 07, 2011 07:37 PM (hW3KZ)
I think there are two contingents of "Paultards." The Republican/libertarian/isolationist sort, and then there are the internet troll paultards. The former will vote GOP when Ron Paul is out. The latter will vote Obama, if they get out of mom's basement and remember to vote.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 07:43 PM (GULKT)

371 AllDread: "You stand accused of the high crimes of administrering an intoxicant with the intent to fornicate, eye rape and cooter groping. How do you plead?"
Hoiman Goines: "Nawt gowty??"
AllDread: "I knew you'd say that."

Posted by: Eat recycled news. It's good for you and the Democrats at November 07, 2011 07:43 PM (90k49)

372 This reminds me that both atheists and Christians have faith and each think the other is wrong.

I am glad to see increasing polarization, even within the party. It means people have to think critically for themselves more. This is a good thing. Well, except for Ace's blood pressure.

Posted by: Polarization Bear at November 07, 2011 07:43 PM (GPhem)

373 You really need to fight the "LIBERAL THINK."

Yeah, that's me.

Tell you what, let's pretend Cain is a good candidate apart from the whole unfairness of the MFM in this case. An unfairness that the other GOP candidates and especially the eventual nominee will not be subject to....


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:43 PM (7utQ2)

374
Ace said that Cain isn't denying the charges, but there's a Daily Caller article upquoting him as calling them'completely false'. Sounds like a denial to me...

Posted by: IAimtoMisbehave at November 07, 2011 07:44 PM (Dx06V)

375 >>>Teh Fred thinks it could be a Republican planting the stories.

That's right. Mitt Romney convinced a random woman from Chicago formerly employed by the NRA to fabricate sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain and then come forward of her own volition to make a statement.

Man, if Romney is THIS devilishly good during the primary campaign, just IMAGINE how fucking effective he'd be against Obama. He'll have that SCOAMF deported back to Nigeria by the end of September 2012.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 07:44 PM (hIWe1)

376 Cain is a piker. Bubba would have had her porked like a pot roast five minutes after the limo left the curb.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:44 PM (niZvt)

377 LOL. How am I looking now, boys.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 07, 2011 07:44 PM (xjEAl)

378 364
@357 I was just going to say we need to find out what's happening in
Ohio and there you are, Miss80s, gamely trying to get the blog back on
track!So how did we lose the polls on that one? Did the Dems flood the airwaves with ads, was it media bias, something else?


Sadly, all indications are that Kasich is going to badly lose the referendum tomorrow night. McCormack's piece above does a great job explaining why Ohio is not Wisconsin.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 07:45 PM (d6QMz)

379 You mean if I sign this we're best friends forever with Russia Mr Putin? Oh, I don't need to read the it? Ok.

Posted by: Future President Cain at November 07, 2011 07:45 PM (DKLl9)

380 The tone of this post reminds me of Charles shortly before he lost it and went full retard for Obama.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 07, 2011 07:45 PM (JpqtI)

381 I was just going to say we need to find out what's happening in Ohio and there you are, Miss80s, gamely trying to get the blog back on track!So how did we lose the polls on that one? Did the Dems flood the airwaves with ads, was it media bias, something else?
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Yea, everyone needs to understand how much shit we are in. I have lived in this state all my life and can confidently say this thing was about as unpopular as a bill can be from the day it was signed. Forget the media, ads, anything else. It's a middle of the road state that absolutely, positively, refused to sacrifice anything whatsoever to straigthen things out. It's the people. It's not a good sign about the future at all.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:45 PM (ldOlo)

382 1 of our prisoners for 500 of theirs? Hell yes!

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (DKLl9)


Technically, that makes sense. We'd be giving up one of our prisoners in return for 500 of theirs. In other words, we'd be getting 500 of our side back!

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:46 PM (YiE0S)

383
377
LOL. How am I looking now, boys.


Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 07, 2011 07:44 PM (xjEAl)

Niiiiiiiice.
Need a job?

Posted by: Herman C. at November 07, 2011 07:47 PM (MMC8r)

384 theworldisnotenough

Oh, fuck you. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two says more about you than it does about Ace.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 07:47 PM (DKLl9)

385 You know how awesome I am?! I'm prochoice AND prolife.

Who isn't?

Posted by: Mitt R at November 07, 2011 07:47 PM (HtUdo)

386 No seriously folks, I'm a romantic. The whole over-the-tranny-console thing is so overplayed and cheap I wouldn't even do it in high school.

What ever happened to getting a nice hotel room with a jacuzzi and a wet bar, for fuck's sake?

Posted by: Fritz at November 07, 2011 07:47 PM (FabC8)

387 Ace, I'd like to know more about you. For example, how old are you? I ask this because you really are a deep thinker, in many ways so far ahead of the rest of the pack. You just have good insight and instinct that I appreciate.

Posted by: Travis at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (9WkMB)

388 Man, a fella can't catch a break these days. Try to be nice to a lady... upgrade her room, buy her dinner, check to make sure she didn't forget to put on panties, inquire about her job search... and it all gets taken the wrong way.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (7EV/g)

389 @Random

Let me clarify then. I definitely think we should get 1 American back for 999 muslim terrorists.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (DKLl9)

390 OT: John Kasich Scott Walker on Ohio's Uphill Battle Against Govt. Unions
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 07:39 PM (d6QMz)
In retrospect, Kasich should have never gone after police and fire.
I know he was focused on unions and waste but that's not a popular one to go after.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (6VvEU)

391 I only asked her if she wanted sausage on her pizza

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (nTgAI)

392 Cain is adopting the "longbow" strategery obviously...

Posted by: DJ Monghee at November 07, 2011 07:49 PM (/IIHP)

393 Niiiiiiiice.Need a job?


Posted by: Herman C. at November 07, 2011

Mr. Cain, let me introduce you to my husband, Todd.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 07, 2011 07:49 PM (xjEAl)

394 Cain is not ready to be President. Being a business guy does not translate to being a good executive. Just fucking deal with it already.

We don't know how solid his conservative credentials are either because he has no voting record. How conservative is he seriously, especially to propose something like the totally fucked up 999 plan? Really, Cainbots wake the fuck up already. He is not a viable candidate, and the way he is handling these allegations now is an indication of how he'd handle things as President. One little scandal and he gets completely derailed, loses the narrative when the focus should be on Obama being a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Is the media to blame, of course, but again blaming the media for EVERYTHING does not a good president make. And I would very much like my President to know basic things like China already having nukes, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President at November 07, 2011 07:50 PM (16UJh)

395 In retrospect, Kasich should have never gone after police and fire.
I know he was focused on unions and waste but that's not a popular one to go after.
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And it shows we're all fucked. If you can't go after that stuff in Ohio, how in the hell are you going to change Medicare and SS?

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:50 PM (ldOlo)

396 OT: Did we send troops to any new destinations today?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 07, 2011 07:50 PM (BEls/)

397 AP:
Herman Cain’s campaign has issued a swift denial after a woman claimed he reached for her genitals in mid-1997.

The Republican presidential contender’s campaign said Monday that ‘all allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false.” The campaign says Cain “has never harassed anyone” and is calling the latest allegations by Sharon Bialek “bogus attacks.”
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so the theory is that Cain isn't denying the accusations?????? Huh???

Posted by: DaMav at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (QNU76)

398 Sorry kids, I don't think this woman would lie outright. She gave a very specific, detailed account of the night this allegedly happened. If it was all bullshit Cain could have said so.

He says he didn't harass anyone, that is not the same thing as denying this happened. I think in his mind he doesn't believe this incident meets the standard of harassment. Unfortunately his definition of that term won't win the argument for him.

He has apparently engaged in inappropriate behavior with people he has worked with and who also worked for him. This is coming from multiple sources, some of whom have everything to lose by lying. It isn't just females either.

It may be that Cain is one of these dudes who believes he is above the rules because he fancies himself as charming and charismatic. Sort of like Bill Clinton. In his mind he probably thinks he was OK in what he did, but that is not the standard others will judge him on.

We cannot sit around for the next year defending this guy against every allegation that comes out. In addition he is woefully unprepared to talk about the issues, at least in depth. I honestly don't know why so many people jumped on his bandwagon. We are as dumb about him as Democrats were about Obama, we pretending not to see what we are seeing.

If we want to go for a bumbling fool because he his Conservative, Perry might be a better choice, except for immigration. If we want to lose with a basically conservative guy who is super articulate, we have Newt. If want to win the election and stop Obama, we have Romney. He is good enough on the issues and he has been fully vetted. He is also disciplined and can debate the issues in detail. He is also "presidential" and can swing the moderates our way which we need to do to win. I don't see any other options.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (9zzk+)

399 The attacks on Cain aredesigned todeflate and whither the entire party. And if he does drop out the enthusiam gap is gone. Romeny will win but his numbers will make you sick. The Ace spends the rest of the primary season in the fetal position begging forgiveness.
Be careful what you wish for Ace, you just might get it...

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (JpqtI)

400 Let me clarify then. I definitely think we should get 1 American back for 999 muslim terrorists.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 07:48 PM (DKLl9)
Now that's the Herman Cain we all know.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (YiE0S)

401 So when you use the same tactics the dems have been using since BO took office, you aren't allowed cause well you are a republican and belong to the better more moral bunch?

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (k1rwm)

402 Can we have a do over on republican candidates ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (nTgAI)

403 Ace,

It's a damned good thing you're covering this story so closely. I can't find a shred of info anywhere else?

Weird, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (04aCI)

404 Is Ace planning on live-blogging wednesday's debate? I hope so. I've had to miss the past couple because of work and Wednesdays are my night off. Pleeeeease?

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (zLeKL)

405
387
Yeah, I'll bet he likes long walks on the beach, candlelight dinners, long talks and cuddling too.

Along with the obligatory teriyaki flavored hobo jerky.

Fuck, when did the comments go into the twilight zone?

Cain's a nice guy.
Maybe.
He'll do great on the lecture circuit.
And the occasional fill-in spot for Hannity Hewitt Coast to Coast.

NEXT!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (Qxdfp)

406 So tell us all how you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent because he wasn't convicted of murder.
O.J. is innocent in the legal sense, not because he wasn't convicted, but because he was aquitted.
If your question is; Do I think he did it? The answer is, he is the most likely suspect, but I do not know.

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (/+aUB)

407 Didn't Ace ban the wookie references?

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (JpqtI)

408 402

Can we have a do over on republican candidates ?



Posted by: The Jackhole at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (nTgAI)
no because anyone worth their salt who might have even entertained taking a stab at the presidency is now looking at this and saying "there but for the grace of God go I"

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (k1rwm)

409 Ace said that Cain isn't denying the charges, but there's a Daily Caller
article upquoting him as calling them'completely false'. Sounds like
a denial to me...

Completely false? Completely false? Is that really what you (And Cain) want to stand on? So no hotel, no Italian dinner, no meeting her at all? So if it comes out that there was a hotel upgrade, and there was an Italian dinner, Cain is a lying liar from liarsville who lies about inappropriate sexual advances: Case closed?

Or would a more detailed response be more prudent, about what did, and did not happen?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (0q2P7)

410 Ace, I'd like to know more about you. For example, how old are you? I
ask this because you really are a deep thinker, in many ways so far
ahead of the rest of the pack. You just have good insight and instinct
that I appreciate.

Also, if you would be willing to sell me a few pair of your old underwear (unwashed, please), I would be better able to appreciate the musky sign of your specialness.

Posted by: The Creepy Guy Who Drives By Casa Del Ewok at Least 5 Times a Day at November 07, 2011 07:53 PM (QKKT0)

411 Ace, I think I'll hire 4 women to accuse you of sexual harassment. As long as one tells a few juicy details, that's cool, right?

What you are forgetting is that we live in Scooter Libby world now. We live in Martha Stewart world. Denying your guilt is subject to being called "lying to a federal officer". Having your memory of a conversation be different than your accuser or just another witness is subject to being called "perjury". If someone can empanel a jury exemplified by a foreman who admits later "we would have liked to convict Cheney, but he wasn't on trial," you can go to prison.

Sorry. Hotel receipts, original video footage, actual injuries (you know, evidence) or it didn't happen. And her story? That's called hearsay.

But, hey. As long as you're willing to go to jail under those rules of no evidence, great. I'll start the interview process tomorrow.

Posted by: SDN at November 07, 2011 07:54 PM (NTrIC)

412 If your question is; Do I think he did it? The answer is, he is the most likely suspect, but I do not know.

You're a member of a very small club then.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 07:55 PM (QKKT0)

413 *marked for ban*

Posted by: Glornec at November 07, 2011 07:55 PM (qvwuX)

414 Can we have another Weiner thread now, for you know... a change of pace?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:56 PM (niZvt)

415 Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 07:47 PM (DKLl9)

You mad bro?

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 07, 2011 07:56 PM (JpqtI)

416 >>>Ace says hang the n__g__ he shouldn't have messed with the blond white
women. It doesn't matter that its possible thateverthing she says is
correct except the sexual allagations, he's guilty for being with a
white women. get the rope.

Stay classy!

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 07:56 PM (hIWe1)

417 Ban Glornec please?

Posted by: Joffen at November 07, 2011 07:56 PM (zLeKL)

418 @413: How did I know it would be a white woman?

I must be psychic...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:57 PM (niZvt)

419 Yawn.

Anybody But Obama.

It is a simple creed, but it is a comfort to me.

Posted by: Minuteman (aka trainer) until Juggy is Gone at November 07, 2011 07:57 PM (DGxyd)

420 >>>I want the primaries to weed out our candidates. Not the MFM, not the dems, not Ace.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2011 07:24 PM (SjIxd)

So you want the people to vote, but nobody's allowed to say "hey, it's likely this guy has lying" or "have you all fully considered the ramifications of a nominee who does not possess a highschooler's understanding of foreign policy"? Get real.

And yeah, I am still fucking mad about the True Conservative Hero Brigade foisting O'Donnell on us. How the fuck did that work out for you? Are people in DE blaming the Dems for their misfortune yet? Is Delaware projected to be solidly GOP now that we have a had a True Conservative preach the Gospel According to Rush to the liberal heathen?

Posted by: Paul at November 07, 2011 07:58 PM (DsHk0)

421
No one here is "witnessing"

If you are witnessing honestly, then you would not be bearing false
witness. If you are supporting mere accusations by voicing support for
unsustantiated accusations, then you are.

I guess I am that stupid.

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 07:32 PM (/+aUB)


We're expressing opinions and drawing conclusions. By your standard, any vocalized opinion of another person that includes a negative judgment of them (or even a positive one) shouldn't be given, without absolute proof.Well, that pretty much ends this politics thing, right? And this blogging thing, eh? And this commenting habit, huh?Ace isn't saying he knows for fact that Herman Cain is guilty of the accusations. He has said several times he doesn't know this for a fact. He is saying that it is his opinion that Cain probably did it, based on how these things usually go, the number of accusers, and on Cain's parsed non-denials vs. very specific accusations. That isn't bearing false witness. That's truthfully giving his opinion, and identifying it as such.To say this means Ace and others here are lying about Cain is farcical.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:58 PM (YiE0S)

422 Let me reiterate, rubes, we agree with your hero Rush Limbaughon’t let that sneaky liberal media boss you around. You’re for Cain. You’ll not waver, you’ll not falter.No cotton pickin’ liberal media is going to sway you from the Cain destiny. ROTFLOL.

Oh, man, I almost can't keep a straight face about this Cain trainwreck.You rubes are so out of it you actually believe the media is at fault here. Um, earth to rubes, what's preventing Cain from either categorically denying or simply admitting and then apologizing for the alleged conduct? It's not the media, folks. Then you can't even see the reality that politically speaking Cain is tantamount to Michael Steele with far less in the way of actual qualifications and with far more in the way of personal baggage. Hell, Steele was scandal free, had real experiencethat matters in a political contest andwhen Steele last ran for office he wasrunning against a human statue, yet he stilllost by a mile. Cain has less of a chance of beating Barack in a national general election than Sharron Angle had of beating Harry Reid.

Man alive, you people are naive and foolish.

Anyhow, stay classy, conservatives. Don’t hop off the Cain train, if you catch my drift. Be true and pure and steadfast: Cain’s your man.
See you at Barack’s going away party, in Jan. 2017. Heh.

Posted by: David Axelrod at November 07, 2011 07:58 PM (f8XyF)

423 Tell me exactly, Sir, just when you stopped beating your wife and
children. Do you have coberating evidence to this fact? If so? Please
present it the court. If not, Sir, you are guilty, guilty, guilty.

I
never even considered Mr. Cain in the running, (RACIST!), nor
Romney(MORMANIST!). I like Mr. Cain, I detest Romney's flip flopping
opinions over the what(?) eight years.

Who does that leave me to vote for? Perry or Gringrich.

soooooooooooo....here I am.

Posted by: jem at November 07, 2011 07:58 PM (spEu4)

424 Next Flavor of the Month... Eye of Newt...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 07:59 PM (niZvt)

425 Gloria Allred? Seriously? She went to Allred, the camera-shy wallflower who has the scruples and honesty of Mother Theresa? That Allred?

Oh, well then. Case closed.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2011 07:59 PM (eHIJJ)

426 LOL. I guess this is Romney's year. If you're concerned, work your ass off to elect a conservative Congress.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 08:00 PM (dij/b)

427 And it shows we're all fucked. If you can't go after that stuff in Ohio, how in the hell are you going to change Medicare and SS?
Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:50 PM (ldOlo)
There's a lot of layered bureaucracy in Ohio alone that doesn't allow any breathing room for anyone trying to get ahead.
That's what you get with heavy government regulation.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 08:00 PM (6VvEU)

428 Ace says hang the n__g__ he shouldn't have messed
with the blond white women. It doesn't matter that its possible
thateverthing she says is correct except the sexual allagations, he's
guilty for being with a white women. get the rope.

Posted by: Glornec at November 07, 2011 07:55 PM (qvwuX)

Was wondering how long it would take for this kinda shit to attract the real scumbags.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:00 PM (4CSeG)

429 Can we haz a new thread now?

This one is starting to smell like a cooter that's been pawed once too often.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:01 PM (niZvt)

430 *marked for ban*

Posted by: Glornec at November 07, 2011 08:01 PM (qvwuX)

431 75 We obviously won't be hearing any "Herman Cain is gay" rumors anytime soon...Posted by: Joffen

If that were the case all of this would suddenly go away and be politically correct. I'm Herman Cain a proud gay American, and that's the way I roll.

Posted by: Gay Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 08:01 PM (sAyEO)

432 Can we have another Weiner thread now, for you know... a change of pace?

No! You're gonna be force-fed your 2,000 lbs. of Cain and like it!


Posted by: The Management at November 07, 2011 08:01 PM (vbh31)

433 It only tells us that whatever the facts, Cain does not consider it to be harassment.

Well, of course he'd think that. Few harassers think "Now I'm going to harass someone."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM See you were doing good until you just had to throw your last bit of speculation in again. Unless of course you really do know how harassers think. Having worked with lots of these kinds of cases in companies I can safely say that most harassers who were guilty did know it's harassment but have admitted theythought they'd get away with it. Well at least you dropped the used car simile. And really, if you want to convince people you need to be succinct. Try it, it works.

Posted by: Deanna at November 07, 2011 08:01 PM (sg36E)

434 419
Yawn.

Anybody But Obama.

It is a simple creed, but it is a comfort to me.


Posted by: Minuteman (aka trainer) until Juggy is Gone at November 07, 2011 07:57 PM (DGxyd)























Maybe comforting for you but BO is sending out an email a day, sometimes two from the campaign. he has been know to say things that aren't exactly the true facts and only be called out on things on Squawk Box by Paul Ryan while all the other Republican sheep kept their mouths shut. Cause he's a nice guy and cause people are hesitant to admit maybe they made a mistake voting him in, cause he is holding his own, people feel the Republcians need to come up with "super candidate". don't forget, the left/libs/dems did a very effective job demonizing GWB. So much so that everyone just nods in agreement when dems say "well, at least with BO you know what you have, we can't afford another 4 or 8 years of GWB and that's what the Republcians will bring". So, when you challenge them, ask them for absolute specifics, they can't give them but the whole crowd can agree that GWB's tenure was a horrific time for this country. Lately I've been thinking that the dem/libs/left might have successfully ruined the Republican brand.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 08:02 PM (k1rwm)

435 Clean-up on Aisle 413.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 08:02 PM (d6QMz)

436 The ratio of Cain posts to OWS posts is inverted. Have reached the saturation point on Cain posts.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 07, 2011 08:03 PM (4q5tP)

437 And it shows we're all fucked. If you can't go after that stuff in Ohio, how in the hell are you going to change Medicare and SS?
Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 07:50 PM (ldOlo)

I hope all of you young people enjoy supporting your masters, because I don't see much freedom happening in the future.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2011 08:03 PM (SjIxd)

438 Wow.
A whole lot of time and effort is being wasted on someone who is never going to be President.

Posted by: Chris at November 07, 2011 08:03 PM (xzLHn)

439 Ace says hang the

Damn; even I am getting tired of how much this place is starting to resemble Kosland with the unity requirements.

Dude Ace thinks one way. I've disagreed with him up to this point. But Cain now has serious allegations on the table, and he won't even discuss the factual matters of the allegations. I am not going to make up his story explaining why he upgraded a woman's hotel room, then took her to dinner, if these things turn out to be true. And if he waits until they are proven to do so, I will assume he is lying.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 08:04 PM (0q2P7)

440 426

That's pretty much how it's going to go. Whoever has his ear and puts his feet to the fire is going to get their way. Super majority.

And I think it needs to be said: Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure.

Eye on the prize.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 07, 2011 08:04 PM (Qxdfp)

441 Ace is not charles. Charles sold out and moved far left.Charles heart obozo. I don't see thatblind faith obozo lovecoming from Ace.
Cain could be gulity and we have to face it.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 07, 2011 08:04 PM (O7ksG)

442 Looks like good old glornec sashayed in from stormfront or occupy to help with the cause.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:04 PM (4CSeG)

443 I know this won't be a popular viewpoint, but I would not have minded touching that woman's genitals. If asked to naturally. Just sayin...

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (tOyx6)

444 I don't know -- how do fight something like this when you have the press salivating over it?

I do wish some attractive women who knew him back then would come forward and say he was always a gentleman with them. But that ain't going to happen. I worked in the food industry back then, and the restaurant industry was well known for it's wildness and partying. It may be he thought she was that type, and made a crude pass. So -- it's probably a good thing this is breaking now, and he'll flame out letting more stable candidates take the fore.

I like him. But I don't like like him.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (hHgxI)

445 Well, of course he'd think that. Few harassers think "Now I'm going to harass someone."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 07:19 PM

Actually... violently going for the vajajay ain't just "harassment," it's RAPE. This story, if true... would make me start to care about all this shit.

I just don't see how it can be proven. And we're back to Square One: Will we give the Left an automatic veto over our candidates by accusation? Because I don't think it's all that impossible to find a woman willing to lie... lie convincingly... for political purposes, or for money.

I don't care for Cain as the nominee anymore than Ace does, but the idea of that "veto" bugs the hell out of me.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (niZvt)

446 The piece you are referencing that was written by Cain was up yesterday. I read it then. It came out before Gloria's big announcement. Cain isn't changing the subject in this piece from the "new" allegations. He wrote it before them.

Posted by: timing is everything at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (iszDD)

447 Wow, this is tedious. Methinks Ace is going LittleGreenFootbals a la Charles Johnson. How about a few more threads about..something. This s something, right?

Posted by: ole' scratch at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (+56Bh)

448 So he tried to get laid and lied about it. Everybody lies about sex. Can't we just moveon.org? Isn't how that started?

Posted by: kansas at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (sAyEO)

449 The good news is 70% of Americans have no idea who Herman Cain is. Better news is 99% don't know who Huntsman is.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (JYheX)

450 Posted by: David Axelrod at November 07, 2011 07:58 PM (f8XyF)

If this isn't Ace doling out the tough love via Axelrod sock it should be.

Writing styles and wit are strikingly similar.

Posted by: Polarization Bear at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (GPhem)

451 Tell you what, let's pretend Cain is a good candidate apart from the whole unfairness of the MFM in this case. An unfairness that the other GOP candidates and especially the eventual nominee will not be subject to....
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 07:43 PM (7utQ2)
I'll Tell you what, let's pretend I am your stepdaughter and you are a childraping step father.
Do you think you can play the let's pretend game better than me?

Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (/+aUB)

452 What if the next few days produce more women coming forward about Herman? Then what??

Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (niZvt)

453 Funny how Ace is now a racist because he questions Cain's qualifications as a candidate. I thought the Lord of the Flies mentality only functioned on the Left.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (QKKT0)

454 Now on to something really important. The Eagles aren't going to cover the 7.5 point spread are they?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (GZitp)

455 The Republican presidential contender’s campaign said Monday that ‘all
allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false.” The
campaign says Cain “has never harassed anyone” and is calling the latest
allegations by Sharon Bialek “bogus attacks.”


---------------------------------------------------------

so the theory is that Cain isn't denying the accusations?????? Huh??? Posted by: DaMav at November 07, 2011 07:51 PM (QNU76) Pay attention.

It is a legal conclusion -- based on Title VII of the US Code and similar state laws -- whether given behavior rises to the level of "sexual harassment" or not. Sexual harassment comes in 2 varieties:

1. Creating a hostile work environment.

2. Quid pro quo (either granting or denying work-related favors, including employment itself, on the basis of sexual favors granted or not granted)

When this last woman, the one who complained publicly, met with Cain, she was seeking employment with him.

This clearly and obviously raises the question of quid pro quo sexual harassment.

She is accusing him of very specific acts of behavior. He is not denying he did those behavior; he's saying he never harassed anyone. That is his opinion.

It's like a person who may have killed a man, but felt justified in doing so (self-defense, for example) when accused of:

1. Fighting with a man
2. Punching him
3. Kicking him
4. Knocking him to cement
5. The cement cracking his skull open
6. The man dying

... and the man replies, "I have never committed manslaughter against anyone." (Note: the man is also accused of causing the death of 3 other men, and this blanket denial covers all.)

Do you think this denial is satisfactory? Would it satisfy the public? Would it satisfy the police?

He's denying the legal conclusion that he "harassed" anyway (just like a man might deny that he has ever "murdered" or committed "manslaughter" on anybody), but he is not denying the specific acts of which he is accused (any more than the man is denying killing the 4 people he's denied of killing).

No, manslaughter and sexual harassment are hardly equivalent, but in both examples, the accused is denying shit all of the accusations, just offering his opinion that he did nothing illegal.

And that doesn't cut it.

Do you follow?


Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:07 PM (YiE0S)

456 The worst thing about all this is that now the poor woman is going to get the Joe the Plumber treatment. The vetting will be merciless.

Posted by: The Chap, etc. at November 07, 2011 08:07 PM (zQMSC)

457 Romney on O'Reilly in a few minutes:
http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/media/townhallplayer.jsp

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 07, 2011 08:08 PM (dij/b)

458 Allred? She's the one who's been caught anonymously going to various adult book stores nightly and sucking random cock through glory holes.. hence her nickname... Her? Yep.

Posted by: Mary herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 08:08 PM (bcmD0)

459 >>>>>Cain could be gulity and we have to face it. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 07, 2011 08:04 PM

Cain could be innocent, too. But Ace will never face that.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 07, 2011 08:08 PM (HkOAc)

460 *anyone

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:08 PM (YiE0S)

461 Sexual harrasment is being nullified in the court of public opinion.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 08:08 PM (I2LwF)

462 And you know what? The which republican will be president is not as important as retaking the senate. Retake. The. Senate. Focus, people.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (hHgxI)

463 *(any more than the man is denying killing the 4 people he's denied accused of killing)

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (YiE0S)

464 This thread needs me just for fun!

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (vvr5S)

465 The worst thing about all this is that now the poor woman is going to
get the Joe the Plumber treatment. The vetting will be merciless.

Now that's funny

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (HtUdo)

466 This woman has filed bankruptcy twice, once in 1991 and again in 2001.

Posted by: Marie at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (P9OJs)

467
I have two things to say:

1. The bimbo is a liar. Perhaps Cain flirted with her a bit and theshe went home and told her pimp/boyfriend. However, the rest of the story is BS. Cain forces his hand up her skirt and tried to force her head down to his crotch yet she still requested a drive back to the hotel by Cain. Sure. Very believable.
2. Ace isa homo


Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (ZhRJ6)

468 Glornec

bye-bye, jackass. Peddle that garbage somewhere else.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (5TzXJ)

469 Please please please nominate Herman Cain for President.


Posted by: seattle slough at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (JRGA6)

470 Give. It. A. Fucking. Rest.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (YSKMW)

471 Then again, Billy Jeff Clinton got to deny it.
But - our side should be better than that.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (O7ksG)

472 Those who compare Ace to LGF for making valid points about Cain's handling of this "scandal" should seriously fuck off already.

Really, he's another Charlie Johnson now because he doesn't suck Cain's dick? Really? REALLY?

Grow the hell up assholes.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (16UJh)

473
456 The worst thing about all this is that now the poor woman is going to get the Joe the Plumber treatment. The vetting will be merciless.
Posted by: The Chap

That's not the worst thing and she won't be vetted ala Joe the Plumber because attacking Cain is politically correct.

Posted by: kansas at November 07, 2011 08:10 PM (sAyEO)

474 Did I mention that Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 08:11 PM (7WJOC)

475 456 The worst thing about all this is that now the poor woman is going to get the Joe the Plumber treatment. The vetting will be merciless.
Posted by: The Chap, etc. at November 07, 2011 08:07 PM (zQMSC)

By who, the New York Times? Please.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:11 PM (niZvt)

476 Did you ever tell anyone you beat your wife?

Posted by: Anon at November 07, 2011 08:12 PM (vGlQg)

477 I'll believe the Cain support when I see it. Dude is not a serious candidate, and therefore no one cares whether these allegations are true, so they will take his side against the MSM. Not really sure what the point of Cain's candidacy is anymore other than to sell books.

Posted by: Spike at November 07, 2011 08:12 PM (g/arr)

478 The fact that she didn't reportthe harrasementseems suspicious to me too.
And Gloria Allred - the albulance sleazoid slut bag chaser. uh what?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 07, 2011 08:12 PM (O7ksG)

479 anyone else find it weird that she flys to DC and does an overnight to talk about a job.
Not a job interview or anything, just to ask what he could do for her. Maybe that happens, but not in my experience. Couldn't manage that with a phone call?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at November 07, 2011 08:12 PM (3Zo6I)

480 Looks like some of y'all forgot to change the batteries in your sarcasm detector when you changed the clocks the other night.

Posted by: Doc at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (vvr5S)

481 466
This woman has filed bankruptcy twice, once in 1991 and again in 2001.

Posted by: Marie at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (P9OJs)

Hmm... every 10 years? I wonder what year it is? oh yea 2011... looks like she's short of cash again? Needs another bogus settlement?Has anyone run her name on lexus-nexus? How many suits has she been involved in? I'm betting alot. She's got that myopic look about her. Probably the type who sends her food back 4x every time she eats out. haha

Posted by: Mary Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (bcmD0)

482 462 And you know what? The which republican will be president is not as important as retaking the senate. Retake. The. Senate. Focus, people.
Posted by: Starboardhelm at November 07, 2011 08:09 PM (hHgxI)

Right!

Cooter... groping Cooter... Gotcha!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (niZvt)

483 Yeah, anyone comparing this place to LGF is off their fucking nut. You getting banned, you delusional shitheads?

And I say this as someone who is seriously sick of Ace's tiresome rehashing of the same fucking point about Cain.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (kvZF2)

484 I'm headed straight to the polls after work tomorrow.
Yes on 2 and yes on 3.
It drives me crazy because my dad is a retiring firefighter and he's bought into the union bullshit.
I'm voting my conscience.
No on the unions.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (6VvEU)

485 Caaaiiiinnnnnnnn!

Posted by: James T. Kirk at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (JYheX)

486 Great. A race baiting shithead. Cat piss lady. And now Seattle Stupid.
Idiocy out the the wazzoo on this thread.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 08:14 PM (GULKT)

487 Sorry, I don't believe a single word any of these women have said.

I'm as firm believer in women's rights as anyone but hey, who do you know would ever suddenly try to put their hand up a women's dress. What would be the point or titillation?

Give me a brake here, this is beyond belief, unless you are a women dreaming that this might happen to you.

This is ridiculous, but conversely:

Hey, I think a women molested me yesterday on the subway, She touched my rear end when the subway was slowing into the 42nd street station. I was raped I tell ya!

Posted by: NortonPete at November 07, 2011 08:14 PM (8zxoH)

488 Get this guy the fuck off this stage. I started thinking he was a weasel and a bullshitter when he couldn't field Chris Wallace's questions on FNC a few weeks back. Them came the rope-a-dope stuff with Newt.

Now this. It's sucking all the air out of the room.

Plouff and company must really be enjoying this.

Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at November 07, 2011 08:14 PM (ndp2I)

489 I am still fucking mad about the True Conservative Hero Brigade foisting
O'Donnell on us. How the fuck did that work out for you?
Not well at all as it turns out. I thought if a few elections went down the tubes the establishment would get the F*ing picture and start to negotiate with the conservative base and field some better candidates that both could support. Alas Romney....

Anyway it seems Republicans are spineless f*cks only when it comes to negotiating with democrats. Where 100B in cuts can be whittled down to a few million.

But when they are negotiating with me(us) for a candidate, they wont give a F*ing inch. Nothing for the base. Then they get all up in arms when they get saddled with a bad F*ing candidate because the base chooses someone unvetted.

Well guess what. I would still support Cain over Romney, and I actually think he did it at this point.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 08:15 PM (0q2P7)

490 Did I mention that Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure yet?
Probably, but it always bears repeating.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (Z71Vg)

491 Great. A race baiting shithead. Cat piss lady. And now Seattle Stupid.
Idiocy out the the wazzoo on this thread.


Don't forget meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: proud dum-dum at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (s7mIC)

492 My depressing list of people who will never be president of the USA -

Mitt Romney
Herman Cain
Newt Gingrich
Rick Perry
Michelle Bachman
Ron Paul
Rick Santorum
Jon Huntsman
What’s his name from New Mexico.

Depressing.

Why did our best candidates not run? Ok, the field is what it is.

I’m putting all my money and effort towards electing a conservative senator from FLA.

Those of you who live in states without a senate campaign next year please consider contributing to a conservative candidate in a state near you.

Posted by: Mike in CFL at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (motsG)

493 353 2. Otherwise,I suspect that Cain is vague ......
The immediate flaw that I can see here is that someone who did not do these things should have no problem issuing a clear cut denial. As on old married dude ...
IMO he doesn't need to recall specifics that would clear him, if he is being falsely accused he needs to be consistent and be pissed off and avoid weasel words or terms that can be parsed.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2011 07:38 PM (YQa0T)

If you watch all 7:46 or so of Bialek's statement, the first 4:15 or so are innocuous, and do no damage to Cain at all ... although her comments about her boyfriend suggesting that she approach Cain about getting a job strike me as odd; what wasHE doing all this time?
... but they are extemely specific: who sat next to whom, who the speaker was, what HE was wearing, whatSHE was wearing ... the polish ther story is evident, implying lots of credibility ... who could credibly remember what Cain was wearing that evening and contradict her story?
Bialek's accusation deals with what happened in the car. According to Bialek, there were no witnesses. No one else in the car, no other drivers or passers-by saw, otherwise she would have mentioned them.
Cain has to fight this: an apparently detailed story, very credible ... no witnesses, no material evidence ...
Is a clear-cut denial enough in this sort of case?

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (1OSTJ)

494
Yes on 2 and yes on 3.Posted by: ErikW

Dude, posting comments about important elections is sooo 2010.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (04aCI)

495 For the Love of God, Ace! NEW THREAD! We demand a new thread!!

Posted by: Occupy AoSHQ at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (niZvt)

496 Cleanup starting.

Posted by: CAC at November 07, 2011 08:17 PM (XATIV)

497 BTW as critical of Cain as I am, these women's stories about as believable as Rosie O'Donnell saying she's now straight and wants to have Paul Ryan's babies.

BTW, union told me who to vote for tomorrow, so I'll be out there to vote for the opposite guy. Fucking unions can burn.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President at November 07, 2011 08:17 PM (16UJh)

498 491
Great. A race baiting shithead. Cat piss lady. And now Seattle Stupid.
Idiocy out the the wazzoo on this thread.

Don't forget meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by: proud dum-dum at November 07, 2011 08:16 PM (s7mIC)
You're not on the thread.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 08:17 PM (GULKT)

499 So,does the abuse scandal rebound on Joe Paterno's rep?It should.

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 08:18 PM (7WJOC)

500 The strangest thing about the Cain fiasco is that he continues to poll well.

Posted by: Jordan at November 07, 2011 08:18 PM (XJYf4)

501 I'm getting on the T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII bandwagon now. At this rate he will be the only one left.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2011 08:18 PM (GZitp)

502 Posted by: mghorning at November 07, 2011 08:06 PM (/+aUB)
Hey, genius--care to address the fucking point here? Your guy couldn't point to Kabul on on a map much less articulate even a basic grasp of a war the country has been fighting for a decade. He wants to be commander-in-chief and apparently you want him to be. He had no idea what the right of return was and he wants to be the chief diplomat and apparently you want him to be. He wants a national value added tax and claims to be a conservative. You bought that not me. He wants to be the guardian of the Constitution and has no grasp of what the document says about faith tests. But let's not indict anyone without evidence.

But let's ignore all that and say that the MFM is just being mean.

You've got just the greatest candidate ever there, sparky. If only the liberal thinkers like me would believe.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 07, 2011 08:18 PM (7utQ2)

503 484
I'm headed straight to the polls after work tomorrow.
Yes on 2 and yes on 3.
It drives me crazy because my dad is a retiring firefighter and he's bought into the union bullshit.
I'm voting my conscience.
No on the unions.
----
I would vote here in Ohio, but due to Ohio's high income taxes and my"Internet business" income, I say I live in TN.

Posted by: Jimmah at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (dW0Dp)

504 Funny,

I don't recall Democrats ever calling on their candidates to prove their way out of anything.

I don't understand why Republican candidates do.. We watch these Liberal sons of bitches drag our candidates into the mud, then we call for them to drag themselves out, instead of going after the Liberal, lying sons of bitches - the Low Hanging Fruit.

Does this bitch have any proof?.. Does she have anything other than a big imagination and a big mouth?

It seems to me, answering false charges does nothing more than give legitimacy to the charges.. It sure as hell doesn't make the charges go away.

We've all seen Gloria Allred's discredited little song and dance before.. We all know who she is.. We all know what she is.. Why would anyone believe this bull-shit now?


Posted by: franksalterego at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (9XykO)

505 Yeah, I agree- Cain is quickly becoming the GOP's own version of hope and change- a guy who has no experience in government but talks a good game about rainbows and unicorns.

Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (WwXHu)

506 Did you ever tell anyone you beat your wife?


Posted by: Anon at November 07, 2011 08:12 PM (vGlQg)



It is not the seriousness of the charge, It is the seriousness of the allegation.

Posted by: jem at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (spEu4)

507 >>>This woman has filed bankruptcy twice, once in 1991 and again in 2001.

She must be a lying whore then.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (hIWe1)

508 If the crazy topless speeding chick from the cop video accused Herman Cain of this she would be instantly Sainted.

She is a useful tool to bring down a Republican. she'll be used and dropped, truth or not.

Seen much of that illegal maid of Whitman's lately?

Seen much of Tawawna Brawley?

Crazy Duke gang-rape stripper bitch?

Nope.

The two women who got paid couldn't be bought off to break the confidentiality agreements, so they had to find someone else who didn't have one.

He may have done this, but this Bialek broad is a definite Plan B hurry-up offense from the other side.

I don't think he did it.


Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:20 PM (4CSeG)

509 Idiocy out the the wazzoo on this thread.
Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 08:14 PM (GULKT)
It's gonna be a loooooong 12 months.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 08:20 PM (6VvEU)

510 The strangest thing about the Cain fiasco is that he continues to poll well.

Ba-dum-bum.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (MMC8r)

511 So Ace writes an entire post about how Cain is refusing to answer Bialek's allegations, but fails to mention that before she and Allred had finished yapping the Cain campaign released the following statement:
"All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone."
I got that statement by plugging into the underground news stream known as Google.
Granted, that statement is tough to interpret, being so vague on the details and all. I guess that unless Cain states unequivocally "I never thumbedBialek's clit," he's avoiding the allegations, changing the subject, and likely guilty.
Can't wait until the general when theMSM accusesRomney of racism because of the MormonChurch'satrocious historical record regarding blacks that ended 30+ years ago.Because, of course, unlike the accusations leveled at Cain, that historical record is demonstrably true, soRomney is going to have to answer ever specific charge in order to be taken seriously as a candidate.God knows he shouldn't attack the basic premise of the accusations themselves, because that would be admitting guilt, and admitting that, indeed, he's a big fat racist unfit for thePresidency.

Posted by: Mr. Stupid at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (dzjuy)

512 Ok. But what if this woman mentioned something about a space-ape, and Cain was simply defending mooshells sacred honor? Everyone knows you go right for the vertical smile!! and twist!!

Posted by: Kilgore Trout at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (bcmD0)

513 501 I'm getting on the T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII bandwagon now. At this rate he will be the only one left.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2011 08:18 PM (GZitp)

Speaking of which, it so happens we biked around Lake Waramaug yesterday, said CT lake being the very one where Friday the 13th was filmed. No Voorhees 2012 signs up yet, but at the rate we're headed...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (niZvt)

514 507
>>>This woman has filed bankruptcy twice, once in 1991 and again in 2001.She must be a lying whore then.

Nope - it's just 10 years later and time for the next bailout

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (s7mIC)

515 505 Yeah, I agree- Cain is quickly becoming the GOP's own version of hope and change- a guy who has no experience in government but talks a good game about rainbows and unicorns.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I've been saying this for months.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 07, 2011 08:22 PM (tOyx6)

516 It may well be that Herman was just worried her denuded beaver would catch a chill from the limo air conditioning. What a gentleman!

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:22 PM (niZvt)

517 If Cain used to be a horndog, I don't really care much.

But if he tried to rape somebody, f*** him.

The only fact I'm sure of is this: I'm loving reading some of the posts here, and imagining the angry moron's temple veins throbbing and eyes tearing with indignation. It's like Troll Christmas in November.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 07, 2011 08:23 PM (L07Yb)

518 I would vote here in Ohio, but due to Ohio's high income taxes and my"Internet business" income, I say I live in TN.
Posted by: Jimmah at November 07, 2011 08:19 PM (dW0Dp)

I ain't saying shit.

Posted by: ErikW at November 07, 2011 08:23 PM (6VvEU)

519 You're convinved of his guilt, eh? On what actual evidence?
Oh, none. But your convinced anyway, and nothing will ever change your mind because you can't disprove a negative.
Bye-eee! [deletes bookmark from favourites]

Posted by: Brett_McS at November 07, 2011 08:23 PM (XTLHr)

520 Some people seem to be expecting a magical candidate to come along who knows everything about everything and has been super duper honest and well behaved, and faithful to their particular strain of politics for his entire life.

In reality (unless something changes drastically and fast) we have a choice between Mitt and Cain. Let's be honest, neither of the two strike me as the next Grover Cleveland, but that's the choice.

So that's really the only argument worth having right now unless someone wants to explain how tanking Cain doesn't leave Romney the last man standing. I don't know if any of you remember who we got stuck with last time, but I'm not interested in doing that again.

Second look at Newt? Surely he doesn't have any sex scandals.

Rick Perry the comeback kid? Uh huh.

Instead of insults about how it's cult-like, irrational, or dumb to think Cain should be the candidate. How about a good argument why Mitt is the better choice?

What about Mitt is going to make the 75% of the right who wants anyone other than Mitt get all pumped up to vote for him?





Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (i3PJU)

521 All this anger over a guy who isn't even going to win the nomination. Structurally he is doomed. The only candidate with the resources and game to actually compete in the primary is Perry.
Cain won't make it out of January, but he never was supposed to. Jeez you anti-Romneyites can't even see Cain has been his avatar.

Posted by: CAC at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (XATIV)

522 Right of return? Absolutely. If you're not happy with your pizza you can return it for a full refund.

What? That's not it?

Haha. LOL. America needs to learn to take a joke.

Posted by: Cain at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (DKLl9)

523 490
Not
well at all as it turns out. I thought if a few elections went down the
tubes the establishment would get the F*ing picture and start to
negotiate with the conservative base and field some better candidates
that both could support. Alas Romney....

We did have some supposedly better candidates this year, but they imploded. Others were courted by the party and/or the base but chose not to run. So while the RNC favors Romney, they cannot be blamed for poor decisions by the candidates (e.g., Bachmann latching on to the Gardisil theme). Likewise, you cannot force someone to run, though I cannot blame the people who chose to sit on the sidelines thinking we had a stronger field than we do.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (d6QMz)

524 Deleted for stupidity.

Posted by: Jimmy-Joe at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (/LqDJ)

525 Blame the media. Blame Rick Perry. Be inconsistent about what you know about the settlements. Ignore the accusations, some of which have been of record for about a decade or more. Not a very convincing strategy. If he's not guilty, I'm not sure why he's pursuing a strategy that makes him look guilty.

Posted by: gm at November 07, 2011 08:25 PM (K0tm3)

526 A really specific denial in this case would probably not help Cain. Not because it might turn out that it is contradicted, but because the "specifics" that are provable aren't helpful, the specifics that are helpful aren't provable.

So say you are Herman Cain and you say yes I met Ms. Whatshername in the lobby of her hotel and took her to dinner to discuss job prospects, but I didn't put my hand up her dress or touch her head.

Okay, well you can't PROVE that last part, and you just said that part of what she said is true. And you know, being a CEO (I don't know if NRA has a CEO or Executive Director, ED is more likely the title of a trade org) of an organization but meeting a young woman in a hotel and then having drinks and taking her to dinner to discuss her career prospects - even if he never touched her or said anything that he was looking for love - is not an especially *good* story.

Posted by: blaster at November 07, 2011 08:25 PM (Fw2Gg)

527 This Cain episode is only a test firing of the Media Gun at an easier than average target.

They will aim much higher next time.


Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (4CSeG)

528 Posted by: Kilgore Trout at November 07, 2011 08:21 PM (bcmD0)

Are you the same Kilgore as the one on LGF?

Posted by: fluffy at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (4Kl5M)

529 "You're convinved of his guilt, eh? On what actual evidence?"

Once is probably normal for most executives. Twice I'll write off to a few too many drinks at the Christmas party. Three times is human fallibility; we all have it. Four times is poor character. Cain is looking more and more like a scumbag every day.

Posted by: Jordan at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (XJYf4)

530 >> Cain won't make it out of January, but he never was supposed to. Jeez you anti-Romneyites can't even see Cain has been his avatar.

Posted by: CAC at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (XATIV)

Uh. Yes, I have.

Posted by: gm at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (K0tm3)

531 Hey, the strategy has worked so well for the left that I guess Cain (and perhaps the conservative movement) will think they can get away with it too. Although I'm figuring that they somehow are relying on the media to treat a conservative the same as they would treat one of their own...
Good luck with that.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (+3fAP)

532 "Yeah well she didn't accuse you of friendly banter, Hoss. She accused you of pawing at her genitals."

Yeah...15 years after he refused to give her back the job she was fired from.

Convinced of his guilt just because he refuses to specifically address charges of "his own stimulus package"?

That's pathetic.

Seriously.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (EIAxq)

533 i think if he's guilty these chicks are going to keep popping up. hell we might even find some he actually scored with he's 0-4 so far. now the 3 that are remaining anonymous they'll wait to the last minute in the general and come forward with the most lurid stories imaginable.

Posted by: bannor at November 07, 2011 08:26 PM (RZqFI)

534 Those who compare Ace to LGF for making valid points about Cain's handling of this "scandal" should seriously fuck off already. Really, he's another Charlie Johnson now because he doesn't suck Cain's dick? Really? REALLY? Grow the hell up assholes.
Posted by: Zooey Deschanel's Adorable Cuteness Supports Rick Perry's Ruger for President
Agreed.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (O7ksG)

535
He wasn't her boss at the time. He had already left the NRA.
He can't be "guilty" of anything but making an awkward pass at her.

Posted by: RokShox at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (pcly4)

536
sorry but cain didn't show denial...
the eagle fans are showing denial thinking they have a chance vs Da BEARS!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe getting ready to pawn on BF3 at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (R7NIt)

537 On a lighter note, congratulations for outdoing yourselves yet again by
promoting such an unqualified and kooky field of candidates.

Not as qualified as a 'community organizer,' no.

It's funny to hear that from the people who nominated the least qualified candidate in American history.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (MMC8r)

538 Cain won't make it out of January, but he never was supposed to. Jeez you anti-Romneyites can't even see Cain has been his avatar.

Posted by: CAC at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (XATIV)
I'm your Huckabee.

Posted by: Doc Hermanday to Wyatt Romney at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (GULKT)

539 Cain was never my first choice, but come on Cain fans - four different women, thousands of dollars in lawsuits and no direct denials?

If this was Clinton . . .

Posted by: Ace Tomato at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (7p/J4)

540 I tried.

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (7WJOC)

541 Either he answers the charges or he's done.I never thought he would get this far actually. It's a sad sign of just how bad our candidates are...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (5Wl/f)

542 526 A really specific denial in this case would probably not help Cain. Not because it might turn out that it is contradicted, but because the "specifics" that are provable aren't helpful, the specifics that are helpful aren't provable.

Posted by: blaster at November 07, 2011 08:25 PM (Fw2Gg)

He's waited way too long to get into specifics - the time for that was the first day or two after the report of the NRA settlements. He's screwed now. It's easier to get out of the way of a snowball than an avalanche.

Posted by: gm at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (K0tm3)

543 Posted by: Jimmy-Joe at November 07, 2011 08:24 PM (/LqDJ)
You're covered in plastic wrap and sitting in your own feces aren't you?

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (HtUdo)

544 You're convinved of his guilt, eh? On what actual evidence?
Oh, none. But your convinced anyway, and nothing will ever change your mind because you can't disprove a negative.
Bye-eee! [deletes bookmark from favourites]

Posted by: Brett_McS at November 07, 2011 08:23 PM (XTLHr)
You are stupid. Also he never said that. But he does have some evidence in favor, including direct testimony now. Ace, more than anyone in the political field I know, is open to new evidence.

So a guy can say a dozen times he doesn't know for sure who did what; that he has an opinion, which is different; and you lie and put it as above.

Fuck you. And note I called you a liar.

Show me one quote where Ace said he's convinced of Cain's guilt at this stage, let alone unwilling to ever change his mind.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:29 PM (YiE0S)

545 So, a handsome man with lots of money and power goes 0-4 at the office and a half-troll like me without a pot to piss in goes 3-5.

Doesn't add up.




Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:29 PM (4CSeG)

546 If this was Clinton . . .
Posted by: Ace Tomato at November 07, 2011 08:28 PM (7p/J4)

He'd of scored with all 4 even if he needed Rohypnol to do it.

Posted by: bannor at November 07, 2011 08:30 PM (RZqFI)

547 448
So he tried to get laid and lied about it. Everybody lies about sex. Can't we just moveon.org? Isn't how that started?
Posted by: kansas at November 07, 2011 08:05 PM (sAyEO)
THIS.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2011 08:30 PM (A0UFZ)

548 Rofl at the top headline. Nice one, Ace.
Tell me, does it make any sense to hit the most important consverative voice over the head multiple times, even if he did make a mistake (which he didn't)? Who does that help? Not you. Not conservatism. Not Limbaugh.
Sometimes, people build up enough good-will that they should be excused when they make mistakes. Pretty sure Limbaugh is that guy.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (ldOlo)

549 OT:

Microphones
accidently left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation
between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli
premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every
day!

From Ynet

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (X6akg)

550
He can't [emphasis mine] be "guilty" of anything but making an awkward pass at her.Hosted by: RokShox at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (pcly4)

Can't? While she was applying for a job with the organization he leads? What do you imagine quid pro quo sexual harassment is exactly?

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (YiE0S)

551 Thank God Ace has FINALLY disqualified the black guy. Now we can move on to the redneck in Texas and the mormon in Utah via massatushits.Bring on that Huntsman guy. Ya, that'l show them democrats how solid the consevatives are.Rock ON.

Posted by: Rich K at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (X4l3T)

552 sorry but cain didn't show denial...
the eagle fans are showing denial thinking they have a chance vs Da BEARS!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe getting ready to pawn on BF3 at November 07, 2011 08:27 PM (R7NIt)
hahahahah, you funny

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (MtwBb)

553 I always wanted Condi Rice to go for the crotch grab. Alas....

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (JYheX)

554 This is getting tiresome. No, it was a week ago. I didn't like Cain because of 9 9 9. Nothing to do with this. But it doesn't take much for the media to sink one of our candidates, even in the new media age.

It's going to be one hell of a lark to watch the "electable" Romney get his ass handed to him on election day. Maybe then we can decide this was the hill to fight on.

Posted by: Alex #11 at November 07, 2011 08:32 PM (xCkgK)

555 That's devastating when you can get a plaintiff to restate the details of the crime, even if it is his denying he did it. A good PR/Lawyer will never let him say out loud 'I did not get into a car with that woman, I did not assault her'




I guess no one here has seen Raul Julia's admontion to his client played by Harrison Ford in Presumed Innocent when he wanted to take the stand in his own defense in murder trial.

I always think of that dramatization whenever someone declines to speak in their own defense. sometimes, innocent or guilty, it's better to just shutup.

Posted by: alexthedude at November 07, 2011 08:32 PM (fXDtz)

556 Show me one quote where Ace said he's convinced of Cain's guilt at this stage, let alone unwilling to ever change his mind.
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Really? REALLY???
Ace, in this post, said "Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."
Try again.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 08:32 PM (ldOlo)

557 Oh and it sure would be nice if Cain had learned about the dishonesty of the media before he believed them on Perry.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 08:32 PM (GULKT)

558 Can't? While she was applying for a job with the
organization he leads? What do you imagine quid pro quo sexual
harassment is exactly?

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:31 PM (YiE0S)
I thought he was already gone from NRA at the time this allegedly happened?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 08:33 PM (X6akg)

559 I've "lost" my Hot Air password yesterday over this topic. The people over there are in full-on thought purity mode. According to them, if you don't believe as a matter of irrefutable faith that Cain is as pure as the driven snow, or the second coming of Jesus Christ, you need to be lynched.

Posted by: gm at November 07, 2011 08:34 PM (K0tm3)

560 Ace Tomato: I didn't believe Paula Jones, either.

Unfortunately for Clinton, although he's not a harasser (or a rapist), he is both a poon hound and a liar. So he couldn't help himself around someone who actually loved him (Monica) and he couldn't stop himself from lying about it afterward.

So, Jones's grab for $850k was unjust, but it did nab Clinton for perjury.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 07, 2011 08:34 PM (6GvAC)

561 "Once [sic] is probably normal for most executives."

Most executives* make sexual passes at people applying for jobs with their organizations? (And upgrade their hotel room to palatial suites, using who knows who's money?)

* Married, Republican, Baptist preacher executives, no less!

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:35 PM (YiE0S)

562 I thought he was already gone from NRA at the time this allegedly happened?
Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 08:33 PM (X6akg)
Nope, he was still there.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 08:35 PM (MtwBb)

563 Heh.

Gloria All Red said she wants Herman to "come clean." Was that an offer of oral??

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:35 PM (niZvt)

564 Man o man this has turned into a huge pillow fight thats gotten out of control and some are rolling around on the ground beating up friends, etc..

I think we should maybe take a break or we'll all have a coronary in our sleep

Maybe its time for an 'Obama does something else outrageous' thread. Like today, he tied veterans to the 'Jobs' bill.. pretty pathetic for the man-child

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 08:37 PM (bcmD0)

565 He'd of scored with all 4 even if he needed Rohypnol to do it.
Heh, that shit works. I had to take 3 of 'em before I gacked that Lewinski woman. Yikes.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 07, 2011 08:37 PM (vbh31)

566 I can say right now, without hesitation that if any subordinate of mine or an interviewee of mine ever accuses me of groping at their genitals, it is a lie. I don't need to remember any particulars about any given case. Cain can't say the same?!

Posted by: gm at November 07, 2011 08:38 PM (K0tm3)

567 Heh, that shit works. I had to take 3 of 'em before I gacked that Lewinski woman. Hillary. Yikes

FIFY.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 08:39 PM (MMC8r)

568 Interesting little link posted by a commenter at BigGovernment:

http://bit.ly/sTo5Iv

I grant you there are several Sharon Bialeks in the country, and certainly a few David Axelrods....

Proves nothing, and I won't say it does, because Ace has the patent on Giving the Word Regardless of Facts around here.

But it is interesting....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 07, 2011 08:39 PM (HkOAc)

569 563 Anal.

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 08:41 PM (7WJOC)

570 Nope, he was still there.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 08:35 PM (MtwBb)
Yeah, you're right sorry....I was confusing it with another date.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 08:42 PM (X6akg)

571 Go Bears!

(Link to story about federal agent in Hawaii for Obama's summit and murder locals, but mostly murder locals.)

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 08:43 PM (5H6zj)

572 Sharon Bialek sued by David Axelrod's firm in 2009 on behalf of Illinois Lending. Case drags on until Sept 22 2011, when it was quashed.
Different David Axelrod.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 07, 2011 08:43 PM (oPceJ)

573 Bialek

Has anyone even wondered, what her agenda is?

She, OBVIOUSLY, has one.. Otherwise, she'd just keep her mouth shut.

If she were a Rick Perry fan, that would explain it.

If she were a Mitt Romney fan, that would explain it.

For all we know, she could be a Paulbot.

Hell, for all I know, she could be a Michele Backmann fan.. Wouldn't MY face be red.

What we do know is, she's not a Cain fan.

There's plenty of questions that need to be answered by her, before Cain should have to try prove a negative.

Posted by: franksalterego at November 07, 2011 08:43 PM (9XykO)

574 You are stupid. Also he never said that. But he does have some evidence in favor, including direct testimony now. Ace, more than anyone in the political field I know, is open to new evidence.So a guy can say a dozen times he doesn't know for sure who did what; that he has an opinion, which is different; and you lie and put it as above.Fuck you. And note I called you a liar.Show me one quote where Ace said he's convinced of Cain's guilt at this stage, let alone unwilling to ever change his mind.
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This whole post needs to be quoted for it's stupidity. You say to this person "fuck you. And note I called you a liar." Why, because the person said Ace is convinced of Cain's guilt. You then ask for a quote (after calling him a liar mind you) of Ace saying this.
Well, dumbass, read the actual thread. Ace said "Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."
So, on behalf of the poster you berated, fuck you for not being able to actually read the thread before spouting off at the mouth.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2011 08:44 PM (ldOlo)

575 Has anyone else thought how difficult it is to get a woman to shut up about something for 5 minutes 14 years if she is in the right?


That was probably insensitive.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:45 PM (4CSeG)

576 Wow i really found this to be an interesting read; thanks for sharing

Posted by: 11/22/63 ePub at November 07, 2011 08:45 PM (uKJ4e)

577 "Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject."

Wow, dude, wow. Shark-jumping, the new Olympic fever! Meh, sad to see you go, ace.

I mean, gee, why WOULDN'T you want to talk about the spurious charges? Gee, I'd LOVE to talk ALL THE DAMN TIME about made-up stuff.

For instance, let's talk about ace's baby-penis...let's go ahead and, I dunno, just *grok* that shit for a few weeks.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 07, 2011 08:45 PM (UExmo)

578 I'm trying figure out the geometry on this

Well Cain was a mathematician wasn't he??

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2011 08:46 PM (BA8k3)

579 Oh GD for the last time, I am innocent.

You the taxpayer will not have to pay for hundreds of millions in lawsuits like in the Bubba Clintons days, because I will make all frivolous lawsuits of this nature illegal during my tenure.

Amen.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 08:46 PM (E8wxM)

580 I tend to not be huge fans of people who grope me. But that's just me.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 08:46 PM (DKLl9)

581 Unwantedly, I should add.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 08:48 PM (DKLl9)

582 Describing the actual moment of the
alleged sexual harassment, Ms Bialek, fighting back tears, told the news
conference: 'He suddenly reached over and put his hand on my
leg...under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch.
'When I asked him what he was doing
he said, "You want a job don't you?" ...Read more: http://tinyurl.com/cruzcfe
Yeah. No way in hell that could be sexual harassment. /sarc

Look, I'm not saying he actually said that. But that's what she's accusing him of, and he isn't denying saying that.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:48 PM (YiE0S)

583 all the propaganda whores on National Soros Radio what have been whining and whining about Mr. Herman not answering questions about the incident haven't said a word about Mrs. Jiggletit's refusal to ... answer questions about the incident

kooky, huh?

Posted by: happyfeet at November 07, 2011 08:48 PM (Xne72)

584 I tend to not be huge fans of people who grope me. But that's just me.

My wife gropes me all the time and I love her to pieces.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:49 PM (4CSeG)

585 I tend to not be huge fans of people who grope me. But that's just me.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 08:46 PM (DKLl9)
I'd do it very well. And with full permission only.


Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:49 PM (YiE0S)

586
now we just need to see peppers knock the dog beater out of his shoes again

Posted by: navycopjoe getting ready to pawn on BF3 at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (R7NIt)

587 Cain and Cain, what is Cain?

Posted by: Kara the Eymorg from Spock's Brain at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (mAm+G)

588 Unwantedly, I should add. Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 08:48 PM (DKLl9) Oh. I'm glad I read further. I'm understanding you better now.


Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (YiE0S)

589 Mrs. *Jiggletits'* I mean

it's a tricky name

Posted by: happyfeet at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (Xne72)

590 'Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:49 PM (4CSeG)'

I thought you were a girl.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (E8wxM)

591 So are you now in the gingrich camp?

Posted by: Texan Economist at November 07, 2011 08:51 PM (TC/9F)

592
TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!!!
philly sucks

Posted by: navycopjoe getting ready to pawn on BF3 at November 07, 2011 08:52 PM (R7NIt)

593
Wait....Ace doesn't dig him some Cain?
Who knew!?

Posted by: USMC8541 at November 07, 2011 08:52 PM (xf3fv)

594 Still supporting Cain. And I will, until I decide either a) I don't want to because I don't believe he's a legit conservative, or b) I decide he's not up to the job or c) I decided he can't get elected.

I will come off Cain only when I decide to, not at the media's whim.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 08:53 PM (J4B6X)

595 "BRUSSELS
– Eurozone finance ministers are to hold consultations with creditors
throughout the month of November because the “extremely complicated”
legal details of last month’s euro rescue plan are proving hard to
implement."

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 08:53 PM (d6QMz)

596 Ace touched my no no spot once 15 years ago.

See how this works?


He must be guilty, he hasn't denied it.

Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at November 07, 2011 08:54 PM (6IReR)

597 Bob Dole never sexually harrassed anyone.
And Bob Dole doesn't have any plans next year.
Just sayin'...

Posted by: Bob Dole! at November 07, 2011 08:54 PM (s7mIC)

598
on topic
fuck cain, didn't he get beat down running for the senate once?
he wanted to sell his book

Posted by: navycopjoe getting ready to pawn on BF3 at November 07, 2011 08:54 PM (R7NIt)

599 This kinda reminds me of how LGF went to shit... at any moment I'm expecting all hell to break loose and for Ace to declare that he never was a conservative and to start deleting all his past posts.

Oh and by the way, fuck Herman Cain... but this is getting weird here.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 07, 2011 08:55 PM (5c5Gy)

600 From the earlier post which I just read:
Ace:
"Here's what I believe: Any idiot who kneejerkedly takes a position directly contrary to what they think the media is saying is just as much a prisoner of the media's mind-wash as the most goosestepping liberal."

LOL I think he's calling me out! I'm a goosestepper!

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 08:55 PM (I2LwF)

601 I am calling bullshit on this whole thing. You cannot disprove this allegation.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 08:55 PM (zaVyn)

602 I thought you were a girl.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 08:50 PM (E8wxM)

I know you are a retard.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:56 PM (4CSeG)

603 Woohooo Newt!!!

bbb.bbbbbbbut!!! He divorced his wife and then pulled the plug on her life support system !!!11111
!!!!!ELEVE!!!!NTY

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 08:56 PM (bcmD0)

604 Damn, I wrote an opinion and put it in Draft. It's in there.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 08:56 PM (I2LwF)

605 Hell, I'd vote for Zombie Ted Bundy if it meant Obama was a one-termer.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 08:58 PM (zaVyn)

606 Let's go ahead and assume that Cain is totally innocent here... that doesn't change the fact that he dishonestly claimed he'd once discussed these allegations with campaign aide Curt Anderson, who then told his new boss Rick Perry and Perry told the media. Anderson emphatically denied this claim, and Cain backed off. Without so much as an apology, I might add. Cain could've destroyed Anderson's career and reputation with that lie! This is why Cain lost my support.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 08:58 PM (vQfJ3)

607 Every time the left uses Gloria to smear one of us. I believe them. Always.

I have to go to cocktail parties. And stuff.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 08:58 PM (OhYCU)

608 "I will come off Cain only when I decide to, not at the media's whim."

The Lame Stream Media Lies. The article in The Atlantic is a full factitious assault on reality. I have a complete grip on reality, and even though I am totally incompetent to perform the job, I swear to you hear now, I will run this country like a pizza joint and guarantee low paying jobs for the many, and high paying jobs for the few, as my predecessors have predicated.

Amen

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 08:59 PM (E8wxM)

609
Don't discount Bob Dole boys, Bob Dole's available and ready, willing, and able to take Obama to the woodshed. Call Bob Dole.

Oh, that boner ad thing? Bob Dole's over that and hittin' Liddy's taco on a regular basis. Don't forget, call Bob Dole and let's get it on.

Posted by: Bob Dole at November 07, 2011 08:59 PM (Lt/Za)

610 This story is so fast, so furious. Hey! I almost remembered something then it slipped my mind again.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 08:59 PM (4CSeG)

611 Took me time to read all the comments, but I really enjoyed the article. It proved to be Very helpful to me and I am sure to all the commenters here! It’s always nice when you can not only be informed, but also entertained!

Posted by: Inheritance ibooks at November 07, 2011 08:59 PM (Vrw1B)

612 Sucks when the comments from the spammers make the most sense.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 09:01 PM (DKLl9)

613 Sorry, I don't find the blond bimbette credible.

Just like no one has forced, non-consensual sex in an upper bunk, no one who has just been sexually assaulted by a man calmly walks out of an office building with that man, then gets into that man's car and has that man take her for a drive.


Unless of course the man's last name is Kennedy or Clinton






Posted by: Mark E at November 07, 2011 09:02 PM (ciWGo)

614
The Lame Stream Media Lies. The article in The Atlantic is a full factitious assault on reality. I have a complete grip on reality, and even though I am totally incompetent to perform the job, I swear to you hear now, I will run this country like a pizza joint and guarantee low paying jobs for the many, and high paying jobs for the few, as my predecessors have predicated.

Sorry, no sale. Not gonna work.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:02 PM (J4B6X)

615 Geesh,soldiers wife with pink hair and a tattoo on her face.

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 09:03 PM (7WJOC)

616
I'm looking at the side bar (Sarkozy's and Obama's live mike comments) and I can just picture it.....

President Obama: "Look, Bibi, if it comes to a choice of my re-election, and all of the Jews in Israel dying....."

Netanyahu: "Mr. President, we would like to live.

President Obama: "If you become Muslims, then, maybe."


Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2011 09:03 PM (zKFOT)

617 Dick Morris says she's been unemployed for 13 years

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:04 PM (OhYCU)

618 Well I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that there is still so much support for Herman Cain, after all even before the sexual harrassment nonsense so much of his support was based on irrational feelings anyway. Such as the idea that because he has never won an election and has no experience in elected office, that this somehow makes him more qualified. Such as conservative support for his idea to give the federal government a new tax stream, where, if any liberal had proposed the exact same idea, we would all say "no fucking way". Such as support for his 9-9-9 plan even though his rationale and explanation for it was continually shifting and being modified. Such as conservatives supporting him despite his absolute cluelessness on foreign affairs even though we conservatives are supposed to be especially concerned with national security matters, more so than liberals. So yeah he gets accused of sexual harrassment and the same irrational supporters of him continue to make up irrational reasons to continue to support him.

Oh well.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2011 09:04 PM (s7mIC)

619
Aw damn, an Alpha male who likes the tang. I am shocked...I know the cure, its 4 more years of socialism.....

I just wonder what his batting average was.

Posted by: TheGarbone at November 07, 2011 09:04 PM (O3f8/)

620 Heh. Anyone here ever had a blumpkin?

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 07, 2011 09:05 PM (vbh31)

621 In Cain's statement:

"(aside from telling them nothing happened, which they don’t want to hear)"

I do believe that constitutes a denial. I could be wrong about that.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:05 PM (J4B6X)

622 Caaaiiiinnnnnnnn!
Posted by: James T. Kirk at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (JYheX)
ROTFL! Good to see some people have kept their sense of humor. If you can laugh, they can't beat you. Oh, they can torture and murder you, don't get me wrong. But they'll never get the satisfaction.

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 09:06 PM (q177U)

623 619

Aw damn, an Alpha male who likes the tang. I am shocked...I know the cure, its 4 more years of socialism.....

I just wonder what his batting average was.

Posted by: TheGarbone at November 07, 2011 09:04 PM (O3f8/)

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNAH

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:06 PM (bcmD0)

624
Ace has romney's balls a bangin' on his chin.

Posted by: Floral Bumhole at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (d5d4Z)

625 Remember when the media was telling us that infidelity made you a better leader? And that lying can be good?

Ah, good times, good times.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (MMC8r)

626 Don't worry - Fox News has Herman's back!

Posted by: shrike at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (z0HdK)

627 >>"I just wonder what his batting average was."

I don't think Wade Boggs was giving him any pointers.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (DKLl9)

628 Innocent or not, I think this entire saga would have "lost its legs" if Cain and his communications team had better-handled the earlier allegations. The best thing to do in these types of situations is to address the charges up-front and on-message, and they didn't do that (as some in the campaign admitted). Now the MFM is back for more because they see Cain as vulnerable.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (d6QMz)

629 I'm with Ace. I'm not going to reject the accusation until the Hermanator provides a full accounting of the facts. Including a full description of his finger after the dirty deed. Only then will I decide whether to reject the story.

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (6Cjut)

630 This is what democracy 4 more years of fullbore marxism looks like!

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:08 PM (bcmD0)

631

Microphones accidentally left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation
between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli
premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every
day!

Posted by: In Other News at November 07, 2011 09:08 PM (70TBD)

632 I've been reading these Cain threads for days, and I have to say the level of emotion people have invested in their positions on this is nuts. Maybe Cain's a perv, maybe he's not. It's irrelevant to me, because, based on what I've seen of him,I think he'd be a weak candidate in the general. What does interest me is howso manypeople have projected all their hopes and dreams onto this guy who, politically speaking, we barely know. It's like he's our version of Obama.
Yeah, I get it. You wanted Sarah and, now that she'sout,you have to put all that unrequited conservative political love somewhere, but that's no reason to rush down the aisle with Cain. And neither isthe fact thatthe press is out to get him. The press is always out to get our candidates. He's not special in that regard. They'll all get a turn in the meat grinder.
As for Ace's multitude of stories, eh. Bring it on. Better that we get all this hashed out now, rather than later. And, for the record, I lean toward his position on this one. I stopped posting after Weiner-Gate bcse Ididn't much care forhis tone toward some posters, but, in this case, I don't think he's posing unreasonable questions. Just my insignificantfour cents.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 07, 2011 09:08 PM (oPceJ)

633 OT: Australia passes carbon tax; government hails 'historic economic reform' - Sydney MH http://t.co/py7f2KGk

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (d6QMz)

634 #627: From the looks of things, I'm guessing his batting coach was Bob Eucker.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (vQfJ3)

635 We are going to get stuck with Romney or Perry. Noreastern Cocktail Liberal Republican vs. a George Bush 'Compassionate Conservative'.

Fuck this, third party here I come!

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (zaVyn)

636 Caaaiiiinnnnnnnn!
Posted by: James T. Kirk at November 07, 2011 08:13 PM (JYheX)
622 ROTFL! Good to see some people have kept their sense
of humor. If you can laugh, they can't beat you. Oh, they can torture
and murder you, don't get me wrong. But they'll never get the
satisfaction.But I've told you that I believe you. I didn't ask you about Herman Cain. I asked how many lights you see.

Posted by: Gul Madred at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (6GvAC)

637 Man that Pierce is giving Sharon and gloria a tough tough interview on his show now on CNN. Man that guy is brutal.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (k1rwm)

638 I can't stand this shit anymore.

Posted by: mpfs,ibook spam at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (qfaDZ)

639 http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=323472#c16121066

This.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (DKLl9)

640 Must be slow news week. Nothing at all goin on except the Cain story. Yep, not a damn thing going on. Slow, slow news week.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:10 PM (Z71Vg)

641 Microphones accidentally left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day!

Kinda news, in that they got caught, not that they said it. We all knew they were thinking it. Maybe now some of the Jewish folks who supported....ah never mind that's a pipe dream.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:10 PM (0q2P7)

642 Was Cain driving the car while reaching for the HooHaw and trying to get a BJ? If he was those are some mad skillz he has....maybe he should be our nominee....

Posted by: Cheri Trying to Lighten the Mood Around Here at November 07, 2011 09:10 PM (BA8k3)

643 Australia is #3 in the Heritage Freedom Index.

Guess we're moving up!

Posted by: shrike at November 07, 2011 09:11 PM (z0HdK)

644 Microphones
accidently left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation
between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli
premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every
day!

Anti-Semitic prez we have.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 09:11 PM (JYheX)

645 What does interest me is howso manypeople have projected all
their hopes and dreams onto this guy who, politically speaking, we
barely know. It's like he's our version of Obama.

haha, nice troll job. Your troll friends already have this blog covered up.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:11 PM (OhYCU)

646 "Well I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that there is still so much
support for Herman Cain, after all even before the sexual harrassment
nonsense so much of his support was based on irrational feelings
anyway.

Yes I believe in a God that does not like the poor, because we all know the poor are lazy.

Goobers, all can all be the top 1 percent, so long as everyone is willing to work tirelessly for their masters. Don't be afraid of work like the lazy libs

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:11 PM (E8wxM)

647
If given the choice of humping Sharon or Gloria, I would choose a more graceful and moral lady such as Lindsey Lohan?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (Lt/Za)

648 @629 -- "Including a full description of his finger after the dirty deed. Only then will I decide whether to reject the story."

Hell, I'll take it a step further. We should all be allowed to SMELL Herman Cain's fingers. We can do it CSI style.

"Looks like his hand..."...put on the sunglasses... "got caught in the cookie jar"

YEAHHHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: sunny black at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (0dyYY)

649 Fuck this, third party here I come!


Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (zaVyn)
You must be a supporter of the man-child? 3rd party is the surefire way to get him re-elected. idiot

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (bcmD0)

650 So Gloria is repeating "serial sexual harasser" of women"...is she reading this blog cause this was one of the first things the morons brought out when discussing this issue....

oh heck I expect Gloria to stock a movie theater with his accusers....why not the world has gone mad anyway...

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (k1rwm)

651 I just cant stop reading this. Its so cool, so full of information that I just didnt know. Im glad to see that people are actually writing about this issue in such a smart way, showing us all different sides to it. Youre a great blogger. Please keep it up. I cant wait to read whats next.

Posted by: Dubs Goes to Washington ePub at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (inbL8)

652 Wow, Ace, we get it already. You.Don't.Like.Herman.Cain. You're really not helping the situation by becoming more and more breathless over this by the minute.

Posted by: deadrody at November 07, 2011 09:13 PM (eOvu0)

653 Was Cain driving the car while reaching for the HooHaw and trying to get
a BJ? If he was those are some mad skillz he has....maybe he should be
our nominee....


Once the womens figure this out, he will win in a landslide.


Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:13 PM (OhYCU)

654 If he didn't touch the clit, you must acquit.


Posted by: JohnnyCochran's Ghost at November 07, 2011 09:13 PM (DeeQF)

655 One thing about the open mic story.Just because Sarkozy doesn't like Netanyahu doesn't mean he's an anti semite.Unless he stated explicitly "I don't like him because he is a jew."

Posted by: steevy at November 07, 2011 09:13 PM (7WJOC)

656 Cherry pi's definition of a troll: Someone who disagrees with Cherry pi.

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 09:13 PM (DKLl9)

657 OT
Anybody see that story about Obama and Sarkozy bashing Bibi on HA?

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (hC5jI)

658 Greece is the word.

Posted by: Chuckit at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (/hAyA)

659
I wonder if Sharon will agree to a beaver shot for Playboy, or be the demure housewife only willing to show here tits and ass?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (Lt/Za)

660 644 Microphones accidently left on after G20 meeting pick up private conversation between US, French presidents. Sarkozy admits he 'can't stand' Israeli premier. Obama: You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day!Anti-Semitic prez we have.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2011 09:11 PM (JYheX)
The REAL news? Is the cooperation of the media to bury the story... shows how much THEY hate Israel...
This is NEWS... yet they don't report it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (NtXW4)

661 I wonder why they edited out the part where she accuses him of dancing around with his johnson dangling and shouting "I am Tarzan!" Because that would complete the meme.


Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (bJQRu)

662

Isn't this about the time when the crazy train shows up with raykon?

Posted by: In Other News at November 07, 2011 09:14 PM (70TBD)

663 Damn, that Herb Cain can sing. That is what I will always remember about him.

Posted by: shrike at November 07, 2011 09:15 PM (z0HdK)

664
I have to admit that I was a lot more Newthusiastic before seeing his lengthy homage to gasahol the other night.

Posted by: Wodeshed at November 07, 2011 09:15 PM (LEcV+)

665 Fuck this, third party here I come!
Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:09 PM (zaVyn)
Obama wins 2nd term.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at November 07, 2011 09:15 PM (jucos)

666 "I can't have anyone in the White House who is unable to tell the truth"....Sharon Bialek.

Oh dear God....you guys are going to have a field day with that one, her closing words as she looked directly and plaintively into the camera while Pierce said that he invited Herman on the show and he declined to attend.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (k1rwm)

667 so long as everyone is willing to work tirelessly for their masters. Don't be afraid of work like the lazy libs
So your answer is, everyone gets to be poor and work for the government instead? I'll take the current system thanks.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (0q2P7)

668 Well I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that there is still so much support for Herman Cain, after all even before the sexual harrassment nonsense so much of his support was based on irrational feelings anyway.

No, my support was based on the fact that I consider Romney to be disqualified by the fact that's he's an obvious liberal who can't bring himself to say that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional, that Perry disqualifies himself over the immigration issue, that Huntsman is Romney without the gravitas, that Paul is an obvious looney, that Santorum hasn't a chance in hell of catching fire, and that Newt carries too much baggage to win the national election. I was supporting Bachmann until she immolated herself over Gardisil. Cain was what was left. Now, I'm looking at Newt again, and trying to imagine him defeating Obama in the election (not the debates), without much success

Such as the idea that because he has never won an election and has no experience in elected office, that this somehow makes him more qualified.

Nope, not an issue at all for me.

Such as conservative support for his idea to give the federal government a new tax stream, where, if any liberal had proposed the exact same idea, we would all say "no fucking way".

Red herring, mostly.

Such as support for his 9-9-9 plan even though his rationale and explanation for it was continually shifting and being modified.

And the 9-9-9 plan is why it was a red herring. Same overall tax bite, but against consumption rather than investment.

Such as conservatives supporting him despite his absolute cluelessness on foreign affairs even though we conservatives are supposed to be especially concerned with national security matters, more so than liberals.

This did give me pause, but I was assuming he'd pick people to help him out on this, and I don't trust the foreign policy leanings of Romney, Perry, Paul or Huntsman anyway.

So yeah he gets accused of sexual harrassment and the same irrational supporters of him continue to make up irrational reasons to continue to support him.

I don't believe I've made any. I could be wrong.

,Oh well.

You despair far too early. My support is etched in Play-Doh, not stone. There's plenty of time left to change my mind.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (J4B6X)

669 Why did this woman get fired after six months?

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (I2LwF)

670 656, unfortunately dozens of trolls post this same nonsense over and over on many conservative blogs.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (OhYCU)

671 Only way the media would have ignored this story is if Cain had raped the woman or dumped her body in Chappaquiddick (sp).

Posted by: sunny black at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (0dyYY)

672 Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (bcmD0)

I'd rather cast a protest vote than vote for two candidates who can best be summed up as 'Not as Bad as Obama".

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (zaVyn)

673 Innocent or not, I think this entire saga would have "lost its legs" if Cain and his communications team had better-handled the earlier allegations. The best thing to do in these types of situations is to address the charges up-front and on-message, and they didn't do that (as some in the campaign admitted). Now the MFM is back for more because they see Cain as vulnerable.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 09:07 PM (d6QMz)
I am just surprised that there are so many conservatives taking Cains response of "shut up is why" as sufficient. We usually don't roll that way. This is a job interview, remember?

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (MtwBb)

674 I hate The Atlantic and Politico.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (E8wxM)

675 I'll go with Sowell's verdict -- we don't want some guy that needs on the job training as President. Didn't work well with the Bamster, won't work well with Cain.

Posted by: rockhead at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (ZMHGo)

676 You must be a supporter of the man-child? 3rd party is the surefire way to get him re-elected. idiot
Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:12 PM (bcmD0)
Then I suggest the GOP actualy find someone we can support? Vice someone we have to hold our nose for???
YOUR last GOP candidate, McCain, is now proposing that they take away Medical from Military Retirees, unless they are already eligable for Medicare, or are disabled.
If this is the BEST the GOP can offer in the way of candidates? Then they are NOT the solution, they are part of the problem.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2011 09:18 PM (NtXW4)

677 Can anyone here tell me WHEN this assault took place? What month? And day?

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:18 PM (OhYCU)

678 Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2011 09:18 PM (NtXW4)

Fucking Amen!

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:18 PM (zaVyn)

679 "I can't have anyone in the White House who is unable to tell the truth"....Sharon Bialek.

Her believability just dropped 15% with that comment, because now she is lying to my face, or a F*ing idiot. We are back into reasonable doubt for Cain.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (0q2P7)

680 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:10 PM (0q2P7)

What are you, stupid?

Obama is black. That means that every Jew in Manhattan, Brooklyn and every other big city feels guilty that mom and dad once employed a black maid or had a black man fix the roof, and will reflexively vote for him no matter what. If there were film of Obama dropping the Zyklon B into the gas chambers, there would be Jews defending him.

Guilt is powerful, and makes Jews stunningly, mind-bogglingly stupid when it comes to race. And politics.

We should stick to physics and we would run the world.

Oh, wait, according to Ron Paul we do!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (3vSLn)

681 I handled shit cases like this as a former Risk Manager of a billion dollar multi-national company. You do a cost analysis of the weight of the allegations vs. the cost of the slimebag lawyers (you get to know the tenacious costly ones). In all of the cases that have come forward, I would have paid them to go away, and the CEO/COB would never have testified or even provide an affidavit. Odds that the CEO would remember the case, much less the scenario wherein the allegations occured? ZERO. Relax Ace.

Posted by: sybilll at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (V6rHe)

682 >>>No, my support was based on the fact that I consider Romney to be disqualified by the fact that's he's an obvious liberal who can't bring himself to say that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional, that Perry disqualifies himself over the immigration issue, that Huntsman is Romney without the gravitas, that Paul is an obvious looney, that Santorum hasn't a chance in hell of catching fire, and that Newt carries too much baggage to win the national election. I was supporting Bachmann until she immolated herself over Gardisil.
Does it bother you that Romney's biggest supporter IS FUCKING HERMAN CAIN????

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (q177U)

683

Ace,

With the emergence of Bialek, your leaning toward Cain having done at least some of the things he's being accused of by multiple sources - one of which has a name and a face, and proffers unambiguous specifics - is finally valid. I want to say again, however, that before Bialek came forward, your insinuations against Cain's character were unwarranted and unfair. And I also want to say, again, that even before the original anonymous allegations against Cain surfaced, I was not in favor of him being our nominee. But soon after the original story broke (even assuming he was innocent of all claims against him) Cain quickly demonstrated that he is not qualified to be seeking the GOP nomination, let alone to be president.
But now - after the Bialek presser - even if Cain were utterly innocent (doubtful), and even if he had handled all accusations perfectly and with pure consistency: his campaign/brand would still be so damaged as to be wholly nonviable.

So, maybe a Gingrich surge?

For me it's either Gingrich or Romney. I'll show up and vote for Perry, but I think it'd be a big mistake to nominate him. It's just too easy to imagine the Big Money Obama machine working him over in ads and thereby sewing serious doubt in the minds of voters. And there's no question Obama would make mince meat of Perry in the debates. Has anyone else noticed that Perry's verbal presentations (whether in stump speech or debate) are singularly unimpressive? Yeah, yeah, we all agree wholeheartedly and with full throat the general positions Perry represents. But for just a moment, forget the agreeable positions and think about just his presentations. They are weak and shallow. Sometimes Perry is so halting that you can see him grasping for the right words to express basic concepts. Presentation after presentation, Perry falls flat. With such weak communication skills, it would be a real struggle for him to win over moderate, independent, and squish voters. And as slick as he is, that would give Obama a much better chance to pull those undecided voters back into the fold when compared against a weak sounding/looking Perry.




Posted by: Dave at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (SV650)

684 YOUR last GOP candidate, McCain, is now proposing that they take away Medical from Military Retirees, unless they are already eligable for Medicare, or are disabled.

But never from Congress. These are some despicable people.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2011 09:19 PM (BA8k3)

685 Okay...how 'bout a Cleveland Steamer? Ever had one-a those? Heh.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (vbh31)

686 Or if Cain was a Democrat.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (dIHHd)

687 Poor Meghan McCain. Some alluded to the fact that this woman looked like an older Meghan McCain. Having seen her close up on Pierce I sincerely think that the cameras at the press conference had some kind of filter on them. Cause she looks nothing, nothing like an older Meghan McCain. Meghan McCain is pretty and intelligent.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (k1rwm)

688 606
Let's go ahead and assume that Cain is totally innocent here... that
doesn't change the fact that he dishonestly claimed he'd once discussed
these allegations with campaign aide Curt Anderson, who then told his
new boss Rick Perry and Perry told the media. Anderson emphatically
denied this claim, and Cain backed off. Without so much as an apology, I
might add. Cain could've destroyed Anderson's career and reputation
with that lie! This is why Cain lost my support.

Well of course he denied the claim. He's working for Rick Perry.

But, using the same standard of logic that has been established to crucify Herman Cain, I'm going to assume Anderson's lying and that Rick Perry's campaign has had a hand in this entire mess.

'Cause you see, Rick Perry is a bad presidential candidate. That means he must be guilty of something else.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (2QDaE)

689 Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject.

Damn, ace, set yourself on fire already, you old conflicted nun.

Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (e6MoS)

690 Newt is on Fox News bashing secularism.

Fuck that bastard.

Posted by: shrike at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (z0HdK)

691 My support is etched in Play-Doh, not stone. There's plenty of time left to change my mind.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (J4B6X)

Okay, how about: vote for the guy who has the best chance at defeating Obama, along with a strong conservative Congress?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (s7mIC)

692 The old "push down on the back/top of her head" move, eh. Works everytime, 12% of the time.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (4q5tP)

693 Is beating a dead horse illegal in cyberspace?

Posted by: Chuckit at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (/hAyA)

694 675, I'll go with Sowell's verdict -- we don't want some guy that needs on
the job training as President. Didn't work well with the Bamster, won't
work well with Cain.

Great logic there. Obama is bad because he's a Marxist.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:21 PM (OhYCU)

695 Good Lord....even epub & ibooks are commenting. I miss lace wigs.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2011 09:21 PM (BA8k3)

696 I am just surprised that there are
so many conservatives taking Cains response of "shut up is why" as
sufficient.


Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (MtwBb)
Because some "conservatives" feel guilty about criticizing a black man.
Personally? I am color blind. I hate them all.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (3vSLn)

697 What are you, stupid?
I retracted my comment before I even finished typing it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (0q2P7)

698 Ace,

It is obvious to me that you don't like Herman Cain and this has become personal with you. Why would this stupid b**ch even come forward at his point if it weren't for political reasons? She was divorced three times and declared bankruptcy twice. Now there is a stable, creditable witness.

And associating yourself with Gloria Alred, for chrissakes?

If we evaluate candidates based on personal behavior, we wind up with John McCain or "shudder" Mitt Romney.

Pull your head out of your hairy Ewok ass.

Posted by: Jack V at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (FZB0V)

699 I was a Market Analyst for the housing industry until the Fed started dicking with it. All those fancy charts and graphs that said we were going to hell in a handbasket - you know, the ones the Fed ignored - I was one of the men who made those for a living. Now I'm wondering why I bothered to go to college and get a degree as I mow lawns and rake leaves to pay rent. I've been out of a real job for far too long to care about a sexual harassment claim. In fact, I've been out of a real job for far too long to care about 100 sexual harassment claims. I just don't give a shit about that stuff anymore. I really don't. It doesn't change my mind in the slightest.
Right now the only thing I care about is the economy. The ONLY thing. Cain has convinced me that he will be best for the economy. As a CEO he surrounded himself with people who had the answers when he didn't, and I'm confident he'll do that if elected. And until I'm convinced otherwise, I don't care if he shot 15 nuns and raped chickens on a farm in Idaho. I'm willing to excuse every single bad thing that come up until the time that I now longer believe he will be the best for the economy.
Now maybesome of youthink that makes me a bad voter, ill-informed, foolish, or unrealistically ideological.I honestly, sincerelydon't give a shit. I want the economy running, and I want the government to get out of it. IfI thought Hillary would do it, I'd vote for her at this point.Perry coasted and did nothing substantial. As a former Texan I'm here to tell you that the Governor of Texas doesn't get to decide much. Romney gave his state socialist healthcare - why any conservative would vote for him on that point alone baffles me. He would be a mediocre president at best and the Dems would walk all over him. He's weak as water.
Until I hear a candidate give me a better position on how he'll fix the economy, I'm going with Cain. It's that simple. Nothing else matters to me at all right now, and likely won't for many years.

Posted by: Rob K. at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (cpr0i)

700 53/103: It's not overly picky to point out that "groping her vagina" (what Ace said) is not the same as "reaching for her genitals" (what she claims happened). One requires quite a bit of contact with a vagina, while the other requires no contact at all; a distinction morons should be familiar with.

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (hrr4h)

701 Does it bother you that Romney's biggest supporter IS FUCKING HERMAN CAIN????

That's funny; I thought it was Newt. Newt sure does have a lot of nice things to say about Cain.

On the other hand, I've seen that charge made before, and the notion of Cain being Romney's stalking does bother me. Also the notion he's not really running a full campaign.

So yes, it does bother me. At this moment, the other people in the race bother me more. So right now, I'm still supporting Cain.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:23 PM (J4B6X)

702 Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (k1rwm)

I hear you suck a mean cock.

Posted by: Tired of curious at November 07, 2011 09:23 PM (3vSLn)

703 We get it, Ace doesn't like Cain. Can we talk about O and Sarkozy now please???!?!?

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2011 09:24 PM (hC5jI)

704 Go Bears!

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 09:24 PM (5H6zj)

705 "693
Is beating a dead horse illegal in cyberspace?"

No, and I promise you, if I am elected, any and deeds that produce economic impact will be legal.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:24 PM (E8wxM)

706 699.

Dude, the Herman is a Fed apologist. Not that I buy your story on the Fed screwing up the banks anyway.

Posted by: shrike at November 07, 2011 09:24 PM (z0HdK)

707 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (0q2P7)

And I was being sarcastic. No offense intended. I know you aren't that stupid. Very few people are!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:24 PM (3vSLn)

708 Positive economic impact

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (E8wxM)

709 669
Why did this woman get fired after six months?

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 09:16 PM (I2LwF)

Exactly. Then Cain meets her at a hotel where she has a room already? uhhm mmmkayySounds like she had some other complaint against them, then when Cain couldn't settle that (whatever it was.. could be anything) then she made this shit up to get back at him. If she still remembers this time in her head after all these years, it makes you think she's a bit of a psycho. Bringing up old shit like this out of nowhere is a big bipolar thing. Dick Morris just said she's been unemployed for 13 years too.. So there's that.

Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (bcmD0)

710 Meghan McCain is pretty and intelligent.

Did you mean 'pretty un-intelligent?' Because a relatively stupid chimp could type smarter things than she does-- with its ass.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (MMC8r)

711 Ace: On the other hand, he's also not denying anything Bialek said.

Reality: Cain made a categorical denial at the time of the press conference.

Posted by: bskb at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (on4jm)

712 702
Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (k1rwm)

I hear you suck a mean cock.


Posted by: Tired of curious at November 07, 2011 09:23 PM (3vSLn)
That is a mean thing to say to anyone. And I was under the impression that people were asked not to make salacious comments like that on Ace's blog...

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (k1rwm)

713 "As a CEO he surrounded himself with people who had the answers when he didn't, and I'm confident he'll do that if elected."

"Records show (Mark) Block has faced foreclosure on his home, a tax warrant by the Internal Revenue Service and a lawsuit for an unpaid bill. He also acknowledges he was arrested twice for drunken driving."

Brilliant!

Posted by: yomomma at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (DKLl9)

714 Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject.

Wow. How do you rebut irrational charges? You can't. Read Alinsky.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (OhYCU)

715 Was Cain driving the car while reaching for the HooHaw and trying to get a BJ? If he was those are some mad skillz he has....maybe he should be our nominee....
well, at least we know he can multi task.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (Z71Vg)

716
Here's what I think will happen. Romney will win the nomination. Because the Obama administration has been such a disaster, Romney will go on to win the general by a relatively moderate margin. Then, he will tinker.
Maybe he'll keep the Bush tax cuts in place and clear out a little of the regulatory burden. He'll make noises about fixing Obamacare but it will mostly be the removal of the most egregious rules. The economy will limp along with a limited recovery. Maybe we'll get down to 7% or 8% reported unemployment. But he won't do anything to rock the boat very much. He certainly won't allow the Fed to raise interest rates and clear out the malinvestment. He won't make serious inroads to changing the regulatory culture. He sure as hell won't push hard for the Fair Tax or some other massive tax reform.
Disgusted with the mediocre performance, the hardcore libertarians and conservatives will form a third party. I suspect that we'll see enough GOP support siphoned off that the Democrats will take the Presidency back in 2016, along with the House. At that point, we're probably going full blown Communist.
But hey! I guess it will all be worth it as long as Obama loses in 2012. So I've decided I'm fully on-board with Romney. At least we'll get 4 more years of mediocre crap before the end comes!

Posted by: rfichoke at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (SYhX2)

717 Enough is enough. I'm done with Ace of Spades HQ. FU, Ace.

Posted by: MyCherryS'mores at November 07, 2011 09:27 PM (VOBGw)

718 Second look at Ron Paul!


....okay, fuck that.

Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 09:27 PM (MMC8r)

719 So long, commenter I've never heard of before.

Can you see my tiny pixelated tears of sorrow? snif, snif

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 09:28 PM (5H6zj)

720 Okay, how about: vote for the guy who has the best chance at defeating Obama, along with a strong conservative Congress?


Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2011 09:20 PM (s7mIC)
What a stupid fucking idea. The point is to elect the man who will continue to pour federal dollars into the trough.Learn your place, bitch. You vote for whomever I say!

Posted by: Mainstream Republican at November 07, 2011 09:28 PM (3vSLn)

721 696
I am just surprised that there are
so many conservatives taking Cains response of "shut up is why" as
sufficient.


Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:17 PM (MtwBb)

Because I'm tired of dancing to the MSM's tune. I don't think that is his answer at all. And I reject this notion that one must be a die-hard Cain supporter in order to be suspicious of the MSM, who have a long long history of this type of slander. If they come up with some concrete evidence, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong and cutting Cain loose. But, sorry, I'm not just taking Lucy Ramirez's word.


Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2011 09:28 PM (dIHHd)

722 Dick Morris just said she's been unemployed for 13 years too.. So there's that.
Posted by: Sally Herfenirbler at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (bcmD0)
Dick Morris is wrong about that, she's been unemployed for two years

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:29 PM (MtwBb)

723 On topic: the theory I favor about who dropped a dime to Politico is the guy who took over as CEO of the NRA after Cain left.

Off topic: where's our MNF thread?

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 09:29 PM (5H6zj)

724 As I said before: it used to be I had to go to a leftist website to see conservatives being shit on.

Now, I can just come here.

What a time saver.

Posted by: Baroque at November 07, 2011 09:29 PM (B0LGd)

725 703
We get it, Ace doesn't like Cain. Can we talk about O and Sarkozy now please?

At least we don't have to deal with him every day. Heard any good gossip about Israel lately, ace?


Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 09:29 PM (e6MoS)

726 Posted by: nickless at November 07, 2011 09:25 PM (MMC8r)

She is not entirely without redeeming value. She has big floppy tits that would be fun to motorboat.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (3vSLn)

727 Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (OhYCU)

Exactly, and people fall for it.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (zaVyn)

728 I've been reading these Cain threads for days, and I have to say the level of emotion people have invested in their positions on this is nuts.

Yeah, it's nuts. Also, hilarious. I know it makes me a bad person, but it cracks me up to see how emotional people get about this stuff. I just wanna poke 'em.

Anyhow, the real underlying problem is that we have no decent choices, and it's making everyone grumpy. And we have no decent choices because of the moral and idealogical decay of the GOP, which began the moment Reagan left office, and has been accelerating until finally the Tea Party said "enough". This poverty of decent candidates has been decades in the making.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (L07Yb)

729 That is a mean thing to say to anyone. And I was under the impression
that people were asked not to make salacious comments like that on Ace's
blog...

Oh fuck you, curious, ya passive-aggressive mental case.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (4CSeG)

730

well, how about we let our friend..technology! help us out? Cain said it was " a high tec lynching.." not even original. Anyway...tell us what happened( or didn't) then offer to submit to polygraph. Clinton eventualy told the truth, Thomas called her a flat out liar. One or another will suffice.

Posted by: LowSlopingforehead at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (tfEtA)

731 He'll make noises about fixing Obamacare but it will mostly be the removal of the most egregious rules.
I don't think he can tinker. The most despised part of ObamaCare is the mandatory insurance. If the courts strike that down while leaving the rest, or if that is the only part Romney repeals, the health insurance industry will go backrupt and right quick.
If mandated coverage comes out, the whole thing has to be ripped out root and branch. Maybe the children-up-to-26 part could survive, maybe.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 07, 2011 09:31 PM (GTbGH)

732 So long, commenter I've never heard of before. Can you see my tiny pixelated tears of sorrow? snif, snif
Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 09:28 PM (5H6zj)
adding my boo hoos

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 07, 2011 09:31 PM (4q5tP)

733 HOLD FAST

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 07, 2011 09:31 PM (GTbGH)

734 673I am just surprised that there are so many
conservatives taking Cains response of "shut up is why" as sufficient.
We usually don't roll that way. This is a job interview, remember?


I agree, but some people are past caring because of what Clinton got away with and because they feel that the media is out to get Cain. Yes, they are out to get him, and they are out to get every other conservative and/or Republican; it is what they do.

My chief problem with this mess is the way Cain approached the allegations. President Bush learned the hard way that you cannot play catch-up when it comes to the media. Also, if you are innocent, do not give people reason to think you are guilty. Even if the charges are absolutely silly, you refute them honestly and in a serious manner.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (d6QMz)

735 Now, I can just come here.
What a time saver.

Welcome to Obama Campaign Headquarters. We'll be skewering and eating another GOP hopeful in two weeks. This one is still twitching.

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (4CSeG)

736 That is a mean thing to say to anyone. And I was under the impression that people were asked not to make salacious comments like that on Ace's blog...
Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (k1rwm)
Salacious commentary is the blog, sweetie. If you can't handle it, you should go elsewhere.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (MSCON)

737 Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 09:26 PM (k1rwm)

And you like it in the ass.

Posted by: even more tired of curious at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (3vSLn)

738 725
It's almost like everyone in the world hates Israel except for Republicans in America.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (hC5jI)

739 Okay, how about: vote for the guy who has the best chance at defeating Obama, along with a strong conservative Congress?

I think that's what I'm trying to do. I don't see much reason to believe, at this point, that either Romney or Perry are that candidate. Further, if there's a chance of winning with a more conservative nominee, don't you think we should expend all efforts along those lines first, before we "settle"?

Heck, maybe I'm kidding myself, but I'm not ready to concede this to Romney. Not yet, anyway. If it turns out that, against my wishes, he's the nominee, I'll still vote for him in the general election.

And by the way, that "conservative" Congress thing? Beyond a certain point, it's not going to work. It looks like we won't get enough senators to repeal Obamacare, and can't count on Romney to support repeal when it comes to a real bill, as opposed to his current campaign stance, whatever that is.

In addition, there are far too many RINOs entrenched in the Senate to count on them not supporting any Supreme Court nomination Romney makes. And since Romney's a liberal, he'll nominate more David Souters, which the Senate will approve. More and more, the courts are where it's at, since the Congress will not rein them in.

Please, sir, can I have a President who'll nominate Scalia and Thomas, Roberts and Alito, and not O'Connor, Souter or Kennedy?

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (J4B6X)

740 But, sorry, I'm not just taking Lucy Ramirez's word.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2011 09:28 PM (dIHHd)
Whatever dude, nobody here is a fan of the MSM. If Cain is our candidate do you beleive the Obama team is going to leave this alone? You will be watching this womans press conference in 30 second commercials all next year.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (MtwBb)

741

Drip, drip, drip ... Not looking good for the Hermanator. Quite a press conference. Sounded like an E.D. commercial. Speaking of which ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

Posted by: ombdz at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (2DpoY)

742 700 53/103: It's not overly picky to point out that "groping her vagina" (what Ace said) is not the same as "reaching for her genitals" (what she claims happened). One requires quite a bit of contact with a vagina, while the other requires no contact at all; a distinction morons should be familiar with.
Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2011 09:22 PM (hrr4h)

Alas, Poor Yorick... I Knew it Well.

But it seems to me that if said contact was avoided, it had more to the do with the relative strength of the granny panties she was wearing than any reservations on Cain's part. Hardly a ringing moral endorsement, if indeed the whole episode is not fiction.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (niZvt)

743 Good grief, is the fucking ONT up yet?

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (Z71Vg)

744 Still no yucks. If this keeps up, someone's going to tell me I have to go to Comedy Central for political satire. What a joke that'll be.

Posted by: The Black Republican at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (aF97q)

745 Well, if this presidential race tells us anything it's that we need to focus on getting as many Rs in congress as possible.

Posted by: weew at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (7RbIF)

746 You know what?I'm beginning to suspect this is a decent woman whom any one of us should be proud to call a friend, or at least a political compatriot. And what does she appear to be guilty of? Sexual chastity. Not using sex to get a job. Not breaking up a marriage by having sex with a married man.And who are you all defending? Well, not her. Not her.
Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 07:02 PM (YiE0S)
How do you know this, please explain to me how a women who waits 15 yrsgets gloria allred as a lawyer is so virtuous and we should totally believe her, why should I defend her, why?
I am waiting for facts, sorry..

Posted by: lous a girl at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (R21xD)

747 No dead body. No sex. Each case has a missing name or date.

One case requires Cain to be super human and have 3 hands.

I don't want to be in a foxhole with you people. Or facing zombies. Shane is that you?

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (OhYCU)

748 Posted by: MyCherryS'mores at November 07, 2011 09:27 PM (VOBGw)

We are all crushed.
We might never recover.
Please reconsider.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (3vSLn)

749 741
Drip, drip, drip ... Not looking good for the Hermanator.

Posted by: ombdz at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (2DpoY)

Oh, GREAT! You mean Herman caught the Drip just by touching her vajajay? That must have been some toxic sheeet...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (niZvt)

750
My chief problem with this mess is the way Cain
approached the allegations. President Bush learned the hard way that you
cannot play catch-up when it comes to the media. Also, if you are
innocent, do not give people reason to think you are guilty. Even if the
charges are absolutely silly, you refute them honestly and in a serious
manner.


Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (d6QMz)
Who the fuck are you kidding? And I ran the show?

Posted by: Karl Rove at November 07, 2011 09:35 PM (7+pP9)

751 If I was Herman Cain at this point I would come out and say that I f*cked her until her ears bled and that it was a personal issue and it was time they left me and my family alone to heal. I think we've heard that before and it worked to shut everyone up no?

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at November 07, 2011 09:35 PM (jucos)

752 Oh good lord God, I hope I am not the one leading Ace to the side of evil poor lovers. He does sound on the verge.

Maybe you could intervene....

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:35 PM (E8wxM)

753 743 Good grief, is the fucking ONT up yet?
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (Z71Vg)

No. And it's gonna be hard night, IYKWIM, after all this talk of vaginal gropes and whatnot...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:36 PM (niZvt)

754 How do you know this, please
explain to me how a women who waits 15 yrsgets gloria allred as a
lawyer is so virtuous and we should totally believe her, why should I
defend her, why?
I am waiting for facts, sorry..

Posted by: lous a girl at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (R21xD)
^^^^THIS^^^^

Posted by: Baroque at November 07, 2011 09:36 PM (B0LGd)

755 I wish for the old days when people insult your honor, integrity or character and you could kill them and it was legal.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:37 PM (zaVyn)

756 "Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 09:30 PM (4CSeG)"

What do you sift?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:37 PM (E8wxM)

757
So Ace, when are you going to update that thiscolumn by Cain was posted on Nov.6, the day before Bialek's press conference? Of course that does make your whole post rather pointless. Sheesh...

Posted by: Deanna at November 07, 2011 09:38 PM (sg36E)

758 Gorilla All Red

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 09:38 PM (I2LwF)

759 No. And it's gonna be hard night, IYKWIM, after all this talk of vaginal gropes and whatnot...
Dude, I have it on good authority that salacious isn't allowed around here.

Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at November 07, 2011 09:38 PM (RZ8pf)

760 Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, butI do deny them my essence.

Posted by: The Hermanator at November 07, 2011 09:39 PM (GTbGH)

761 #688: Like I've said multiple times... his guilt or innocence of these sexual harassment charges means NOTHING to me until they're more-or-less proven one way or the other. I dislike Cain now because he attempted to destroy an innocent man with a lie in order to score points against Rick Perry. Being a Baptist minister is one of Cain's strengths, right? Well, he didn't find it a big deal to bear false witness against Anderson for his own benefit, did he? Not only is that one of Ten Commandments he violated there, it's one of the worse ones to break.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 09:39 PM (vQfJ3)

762 755 I wish for the old days when people insult your honor, integrity or character and you could kill them and it was legal.
Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:37 PM (zaVyn)

And I miss the old days when you could raid the neighboring village, raping, looting, and pillaging. But mostly raping.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:39 PM (niZvt)

763 I wish for the old days when people insult your honor, integrity or character and you could kill them and it was legal.
Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2011 09:37 PM (zaVyn)
Word!

Posted by: Aaron Burr at November 07, 2011 09:40 PM (4q5tP)

764 I wish for the old days when people insult your honor, integrity or character and you could kill them and it was legal.

Crap. Son, you'd better call 911 for your sister. And wipe our fingerprints off that baseball bat.

Posted by: Muslim Dad at November 07, 2011 09:40 PM (aF97q)

765 I am waiting for facts, sorry..
Posted by: lous a girl at November 07, 2011 09:34 PM (R21xD)
From who? From Cain, he already passed. She told her story. Where are you expecting these facts are going to come from. There were only two of them there, I think.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2011 09:40 PM (MtwBb)

766 I remember when Bill Cosby, certainly no conservative, publicly stated his desire to see black children pull their pants up, stop cursing, learn to speak English, and stop dropping the "N-word" every five seconds.

Cosby was immediately assailed from all sides with complaints of sexual misconduct which had curiously gone unstated up to that point.

If you want to buy all this Cain BS, Ace, that's up to you. I don't buy it for an instant.

Posted by: Sam Adams at November 07, 2011 09:40 PM (k1wVn)

767 Yes, Cain may be perfectly innocent. But a Solomonic thought for you to chew on:

Would you trust him with your virgin ewe?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:40 PM (niZvt)

768 I wish for the old days when people insult your honor, integrity or character and you could kill them and it was legal.

Cain should challenge Politico's Jonathan Martin to a duel.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:41 PM (OhYCU)

769 Gloria All Red said she wants Herman to "come clean." Is that sexual harassment, or a simple offer of oral sex?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:41 PM (niZvt)

770
I don't think he can tinker. The most despised part of ObamaCare is the mandatory insurance. If the courts strike that down while leaving the rest, or if that is the only part Romney repeals, the health insurance industry will go backrupt and right quick.
Exactly. But Romney likes the idea of government "helping" people with their healthcare needs. He just wants to "do it better." This is the same nonsense Cameron has tried in the UK. That is our future and our destiny.
At least, it's our destiny until all the stimulus money and Fed money provided at low rates flows from reserves. Then our destiny is Weimar. But at least Romney will hasten the downfall so we can become a tyrannical police state. He's our only choice so let's just give up and support him.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 07, 2011 09:42 PM (SYhX2)

771 I wish for the old days of slavery.

Oh wait, never mind.

But certainly times have changed....

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:42 PM (E8wxM)

772 By the way, the second Cosby dropped his complaint about the deplorable public behavior of black children and black pop culture, all of those sexual complaints mysteriously disappeared.

Yep.

Gone, in sixty seconds.

Funny how that works.


Posted by: Sam Adams at November 07, 2011 09:42 PM (k1wVn)

773
Good grief, is the fucking ONT up yet?

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:33 PM (Z71Vg)
I'm increasingly thinking that Ace's heart is really in movie critiques and he just posts these inflammatory threads for the hit count $$$.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 07, 2011 09:42 PM (7+pP9)

774 "You have a lot of credibility built up from Weiner-fest, "

im sure Charles thought this at one time too.



Posted by: Lifeisdeath at November 07, 2011 09:43 PM (mjnhm)

775 I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt


Yeah, like you weren't to beginwith.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2011 09:44 PM (r4wIV)

776 723 On topic: the theory I favor about who dropped a dime to Politico is the guy who took over as CEO of the NRA after Cain left. Off topic: where's our MNF thread?
Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2011 09:29 PM (5H6zj)
The original Politico article had multiple sources. None of them were the women that received settlements.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 09:44 PM (GULKT)

777 "salacious"

I like that word, but the Puritans among us, well, truth is stranger than fiction...

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:45 PM (E8wxM)

778 From the Sidebar : Report: Sarkozy calls Netanyahu 'liar'
A member of the media confirmed Monday that "there were discussions between journalists and they agreed not to publish the comments due to the sensitivity of the issue."
Suckers of Cock.

Posted by: The Hermanator at November 07, 2011 09:46 PM (GTbGH)

779 Please, sir, can I have a President who'll nominate Scalia and Thomas, Roberts and Alito, and not O'Connor, Souter or Kennedy?Posted by: Evan3457 at November 07, 2011 09:32 PM (J4B6X)

The same president appointed Scalia, O'Connor, AND Kennedy. (That would be Reagan, the guy who'd be thrown out of the GOP as a RINO today.)

Just as the same president appointed Thomas AND Souter. (Bush I.)

Which goes to show that there is no possible way of knowing who any of the Republican nominees would appoint, or how they'll turn out.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 09:46 PM (2QDaE)

780 757, So Ace, when are you going to update that thiscolumn by Cain was posted
on Nov.6, the day before Bialek's press conference? Of course that
does make your whole post rather pointless. Sheesh...

Facts are no longer required. Cain is guilty. Burn him!!!!

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:46 PM (OhYCU)

781 Also, raykon sucks cock by choice.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 07, 2011 09:47 PM (GTbGH)

782 Apologies if someone has already linked to "Who's Behind the High-Tech Lynching of Herman Cain?" Too many coinkydinks for even the most naive of Morons. Also, she claims she was with Herman at the Chicago TEA Party -- except for one thing. No one remembers seeing her. Apparently, she is hard to forget.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 07, 2011 09:47 PM (tQHzJ)

783 Oh sure let's throw Cain overboard on the strength of a so-far uncorroborated accusation about an incident purported to take place 14 years ago, made by a woman who is represented by Gloria Alred.

Just to put it in context 14 years ago was before the Monica Lewinsky story came out.

What was this woman waiting for?

Why would she come out only now? And why for God's sake would she have hired Gloria Allred??

This whole thing smells nine ways to Sunday.

Which is why Rush was making his argument about grizzled old gunnery sergeant type conservatives versus nervous young lance corporal type cons.




Posted by: Yojimbo at November 07, 2011 09:48 PM (akKXh)

784 @778: and by "liar," Sarkozy meant, "Filthy Jew."

The Europeans will never, EVER get over their hatred of the Jews. The Jews knew this, and left to create Israel. Even with the Jews a thousand miles away, the Jews STILL eat away at the European mind by their mere existence.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:48 PM (niZvt)

785 779
(That would be Reagan, the guy who'd be thrown out of the GOP as a RINO today.)

sorry, but CONSERVATIVES would love to dig up reagan and have him run again. that bullshit doesnt fly.

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at November 07, 2011 09:49 PM (mjnhm)

786 >>>What was this woman waiting for?


So presumably the two women who didn't wait, but filed almost immediately after Cain propositioned them, are to be believed?

Oh no, they're lying whores too. *Because.*

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 09:49 PM (nj1bB)

787 The Europeans will never, EVER get over their hatred of the Jews. The Jews knew this, and left to create Israel. Even with the Jews a thousand miles away, the Jews STILL eat away at the European mind by their mere existence.
How true. Never did understand it, never will.

Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 07, 2011 09:49 PM (Z71Vg)

788
A member of the media confirmed Monday that "there were discussions between journalists and they agreed not to publish the comments due to the sensitivity of the issue."
Uh huh. Sure. And if it was the Israeli PM making those comments about Obama? It would have been their "journalistic duty" to report it far and wide. To do otherwise would be to "betray their sacred public trust." What a bunch of transparent losers.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 07, 2011 09:51 PM (SYhX2)

789 Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 09:48 PM (niZvt)

Yes...with the additional insult of knowing, deep down in their post-modernist hearts, that Israel could conquer every shitty little country in Western Europe, with the possible exception of Germany.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 07, 2011 09:51 PM (3vSLn)

790 So presumably the two women who didn't wait, but filed almost immediately after Cain propositioned them, are to be believed?

And who would those women be, Ace? And what charges did they file over?

Oh, that's right. You've got nothing on that.

B E L I E V E, Ace.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 09:52 PM (2QDaE)

791 I wonder if the strategy is to make this political ploy by the Dems to be as unpalatable in future so they won't try it again. I have no clue as to how to do this, but there must be some method. Something similar as to how the Dems got the Repubs to pull back McCarthy in the 50's/ Eisenhower thought it was wrong but it was working in the political sense. That hearing where the "Have you no shame?" speech was made caused Eisenhower to send Nixon as the hatchet man to force McCarthy to lay off (even though history proved he was mostly right) as the GOP was being painted as the worst type of political villain.

Posted by: dmandman at November 07, 2011 09:53 PM (WpVgB)

792 So, it's not a he said/she said anymore; it's a she said/he refuses to say and changes the topic.


He said it was false and lying, I don't know what else you expect from the dude.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2011 09:53 PM (r4wIV)

793 780757, So Ace, when are you going to update that this column by Cain was posted on Nov.6, the day before Bialek's press conference? Of course that does make your whole post rather pointless. Sheesh...
Facts are no longer required. Cain is guilty. Burn him!!!!Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:46 PMThis goes to Ace's credibility. This whole thread is based on Ace believing that this was Cain's response to Bialek and it's not. It was posted the day before Bialek came forward and was Cain referring to the other complaints and the media which were vague and not followed through on. Sorry I can't get anything to work here but you can see it posted at http://tinyurl.com/7o89259 .

Posted by: Deanna at November 07, 2011 09:54 PM (sg36E)

794
Off topic: where's our MNF thread?

It depends upon how far in debt the ewok is.

He threw a rock into a hornets nest, didn't get stung a single time, and is laughing his ass off because he's getting paid for bee comb honey.

A great deal if your audience is a bunch of rubes.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 07, 2011 09:55 PM (7+pP9)

795 So presumably the two women who didn't wait, but filed almost immediately after Cain propositioned them, are to be believed?
Remind me of their names again. I can't remember. And what did he do exactly?

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:55 PM (OhYCU)

796 Listen, I am a mathematician, not an orator. I make cents into dollars, not rational sense.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 09:55 PM (E8wxM)

797 I'm slow. oops

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 09:57 PM (OhYCU)

798 Let's see, the accuser is a registered republican who attended Teacon 2011 where Cain was the featured speaker- Absolute Moral Ground Established- Check

She then hires Libtard mouth-piece Gloria Allred... because that's what a Republican TeaPartier would do- Check

But of course this TeaParty Bimbo doesn't want any money- Further Establishment of Absolute Moral Ground- Check

And of course this Bimbo had to come out because she's just so gosh-darned concerned about the good of the country- Check

But of course- until Cain can prove that he DIDN'T feel-up this blonde bimbo.... he's guilty- Check

So if Cain really is innocent- how in the hell could he possibly prove it to satisfy any of you candy-ass anti-Cain detractors?

"Mr Cain, when did you finally stop feeling up the white girls?"


Posted by: Circular Firing Ring at November 07, 2011 09:57 PM (D0Svx)

799 >>>*Because*

Oh gee whiz, we don't know what these women "filed" whatever it was they were apparently happy to take the money and run, the fact that the NRA settled doesn't mean that Cain was guilty.

Yes it is likely that Cain has a monster size ha ha whitey dong but that is no reason to fall in with Gloria Allred and the rest of the high tech lynch mob

Posted by: Yojimbo at November 07, 2011 09:57 PM (akKXh)

800 786
>>>What was this woman waiting for?





So presumably the two women who didn't wait, but filed almost immediately after Cain propositioned them, are to be believed?



Oh no, they're lying whores too. *Because.

what does 'almost immediately' mean to you? to me, it doesnt mean waiting a month after he already quit his postition, still working for the man until then.

but, no... Cain is a lying whore. *Because....he isnt perry? the savior of the republican establishment?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at November 07, 2011 09:57 PM (mjnhm)

801 Ace, the nuts you are fighting are from the lame stream media, that only want to do me in. Ace, are you falling for the Pavlovian ringing of the dinner bell?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:00 PM (E8wxM)

802 Even without Bialek, I still cannot get past his claim that his constantly evolving response to the original accusations was due to the events taking place more than ten years ago. He "didn't remember" the incident.

Is there a single person here who would not have an accusation such as that etched indelibly upon their mind?

An innocent man does not forget an accusation such as that and, by my estimation, does not hide it from his wife of 30 years either.

What an awful, terrible way for her to have found out.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 07, 2011 10:00 PM (piMMO)

803 An innocent man does not forget an accusation such as that and, by my estimation, does not hide it from his wife of 30 years either.

What an awful, terrible way for her to have found out.
Posted by: What Now?! at November 07, 2011 10:00 PM (piMMO)

I have no idea if the accusation is true or not, but... How do you know he didn't tell his wife about the accusations when they happened?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 10:03 PM (niZvt)

804 I hate The Atlantic much worse than I hate Politico. The former are devious with their assertions, that words have meaning, and I hate them for it.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:03 PM (E8wxM)

805 This goes to Ace's credibility. This whole thread is based on Ace
believing that this was Cain's response to Bialek and it's not. It was
posted the day before Bialek came forward and was Cain referring to the
other complaints and the media which were vague and not followed
through on. Sorry I can't get anything to work here but you can see it
posted at http://tinyurl.com/7o89259 .

Ha! Indeed, November 6. That pretty much throws this entire post out.

But, Ace has already told us that he has no evidence implicating Herman Cain in any wrongdoing. More tellingly, he's suggested that he doesn't need any in this obsessive campaign of his to crucify Cain.

I guess that's why, in #786 up there, he just accused Cain of having "propositioned" the two phantom women who received severance over as-yet unspecified charges, when neither he nor anybody else knows that any such thing took place.

Just sad, really.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 10:04 PM (2QDaE)

806 I'm glad to see that Ace is in 100% agreement with the Concerned Women of America, a group of social conservatives touted by Kathryn Lopez of NRO. I wonder if he is a member.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 07, 2011 10:05 PM (byR8d)

807 Girls, I am innocent. The 4 people accusing otherwise are lying.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:06 PM (E8wxM)

808 On the other hand, Ace, you've got Raykon on your side.

So there's that.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 07, 2011 10:07 PM (2QDaE)

809 I saw a bunch of Paultards and skinhead anarchist cocksuckers lurking around the edges at a Tea Party Rally once. Does that make them credible conservatives?

Where is her documentation that she was at TeaCon?

What type of car was it?

Receipts?

Pictures?

Police report?

Hotel registry?

Phone records?

Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 10:08 PM (4CSeG)

810
I have no idea if the accusation is true or not, but... How do you know he didn't tell his wife about the accusations when they happened?
Because they're afraid Cain will win the primary and then lose the general. And they think the responsibility for preventing this rests on their shoulders because they believe they're God.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 07, 2011 10:09 PM (SYhX2)

811 #805 ace was pointing out the inconsistencies in cain supporters. this woman is lying cause she waited so long must add credibility to the other women. kinda like the arguements at tepid air saying she's lying cause she remembers so many details yet just a day or so ago we couldnt trust the other women w/o hearing details. the defense changes as necessary, its irrational and unproductive for a 3rd tier candidate.

Posted by: chas at November 07, 2011 10:09 PM (xAq1C)

812 If I was trying to blackmail Cain, I might show up at TeaCon.

If I had been sexually assaulted, I would not show up at his rally.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 10:13 PM (OhYCU)

813 Posted by: chas at November 07, 2011 10:09 PM (xAq1C)

Is that was ace was doing? Well bless his heart, and bless you for knowing what ace was doing.

Posted by: Troofer at November 07, 2011 10:14 PM (e6MoS)

814 Girls, I promise you I will outlaw all of this type of behavior. No more. The time has come for the federal regulators, regurgitators, the feds (fuck them all), to stay the fuck out of our lives.

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:15 PM (E8wxM)

815 @stevebruskCNN: Herman Cain will hold a news conference Tuesday afternoon in Phoenix to respond to today's accusations

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 07, 2011 10:15 PM (d6QMz)

816 Gee, I wonder if we should wait a few days for the background details of the Blonde Bimbo to surface.

Nah, let's just take her at face value within the first 8 hours, yeah, that sounds prudent..........

By the way- Gloria Allred has been openly soliciting and fishing for Cain accusers.

But I'm sure Allreds not working with any Dem operatives behind the scenes- nah that's crazy talk.......

Posted by: Circular Firing Ring at November 07, 2011 10:15 PM (D0Svx)

817 807
Girls, I am innocent. The 4 people accusing otherwise are lying.


Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:06 PM (E8wxM)

And of course these 4 people just randomly appeared.....within a week......just by chance.........

Posted by: Circular Firing Ring at November 07, 2011 10:17 PM (D0Svx)

818 If I had been sexually assaulted, I would not show up at his rally.


Posted by: Cherry pi at November 07, 2011 10:13 PM (OhYCU)
Maybe she's braver than you are.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 10:18 PM (YiE0S)

819 "Posted by: sifty at November 07, 2011 10:08 PM (4CSeG)"

Sifty, I love girls, but you aren't, are you?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:19 PM (E8wxM)

820 Well, once Cain's outta the way- then we can get a GOP candidate that the media surely won't attack.

Posted by: Mind-Numbed Dip-Shit at November 07, 2011 10:20 PM (D0Svx)

821 You're convinved of his guilt, eh? On what actual evidence?
Oh, none. But your convinced anyway, and nothing will ever change your mind because you can't disprove a negative.
Bye-eee! [deletes bookmark from favourites]

Posted by: Brett_McS at November 07, 2011 08:23 PM (XTLHr)
You are stupid. Also he never said that.Posted by: Random
------------------------------

ahem: "I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."-Ace

Guess you're the stupid one

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 10:22 PM (EIAxq)

822 Girls, the 4 are lying. Its a concerted effort of the lame stream media to deride my own good record of achievement.


Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:23 PM (E8wxM)

823 Is Cain still appearing on Jimmy Kimmel tonight?

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 10:23 PM (k1rwm)

824 Looks like the Cain statement that doesn't address any of the specifics of Bialek's accusation, which has Ace "now kind of convinced of his guilt,"was published on November 6, before Bialek made her accusation. During Bialek's presser, the Cain campaign responded to her specific allegations by stating, "All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone." The campaign then sent out copies of the November 6 column to reiterate it's position going forward. Great reporting there by Fox News (Ace's original link), and super clever of Ace to write a lengthy post stating why Cain is likely guilty without getting a single fact right. Looking forward to the inevitable correction,because unlike that coward Limbaugh, Ace would never double down when he's wrong.

Posted by: Mr. Stupid at November 07, 2011 10:25 PM (dzjuy)

825 Ace, why do you hate me? You know god punishes all [layers], so why would I lie?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:28 PM (E8wxM)

826 You know, this reminds me of 2004 when I won the Illinois Democratic primary and then *BAM* three months later my GOP rival Jack Ryan announced his withdrawal from the race ...... due to an alleged sex scandal.

Then, the GOP ran Alan Keys against me and, well......


I have the most amazing good luck don't I?

heh

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 07, 2011 10:29 PM (D0Svx)

827 Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 10:22 PM

Ah yes, you are my beloved brother who said he would vote for me if that nasty ol Romney gets the GOP nomination. Preach on brother!

Posted by: Barak Obama at November 07, 2011 10:29 PM (EEfRq)

828 Just realized that this woman wore the same dress on Pierce that she wore for the presser. Yet Gloria changed clothes. Did this woman not realize that she should bring her wardrobe with her cause she was now going to be everyone's favorite guest?

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 10:30 PM (k1rwm)

829 (E8wxM)

Troll Anus Alert

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 07, 2011 10:30 PM (D0Svx)

830 ahem: "I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."-Ace

Guess you're the stupid one

The qualifier is "kind of". And it's followed immediately by, "Not reassuring." Then he goes on to explain his reasoning why he's not reassured.

This isn't the posture of someone who isn't open to evidence. It's the posture of someone who is seeing evidence from one side, with the other side refusing to provide any, and prior to that, having to change their story over and over again.

You know why I'm kind of convinced Ace will never change his mind on Cain's doing the types of behaviors he's been accused of from this point forward?

Because I believe Ace was right in how he leaned on this, right from the beginning. He heard of lots of accusers, the Cain camp denied this, and now we have more.

As Ace has said, "Let's see what the week brings."

I never wanted to think Herman Cain was someone who abused his power to get sex from women, or make women uncomfortable by his power-based pursuit of sex. But it's looking more and more that way.

And even if it isn't, Cain's impulse is to attack, sans evidence, the Perry campaign, then to throw out the race card. This is bullshit. It is the act of, if not a guilty man, then a man who can't handle a crisis.

Oh, and what's his new strategy? Not to deny the specific allegations against him, but to tell the media he won't answer questions on this. That'll fly in the general so well.

Cain -- the guy who did a book tour/Presidential run, including using campaign funds to buy books off of himself, the guy who can hardly bring himself to take a public conservative stance on any particular topic, the pro-choice conservative, when his position is not changing multiple times the same day, the pro-right of return candidate, and on and on and on ... through ignorance or leftism, taking the anti-conservative stance ... but he says he's a conservative, a true conservative, and that's enough for the fucking idiots out there.

Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 10:33 PM (YiE0S)

831 "You must be a supporter of the man-child? 3rd party is the surefire way to get him re-elected. idiot"

Better his re-election than Romney as president...

...dumbass.

I won't vote third party, but I sure as hell won't vote for Romney. Ever.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 10:35 PM (EIAxq)

832 Excellent original post Ace. You now see why the others have been screaming the crazy right...

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:35 PM (E8wxM)

833 I do believe

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 10:36 PM (E8wxM)

834 Well look who is weighing in on the whole Herman Cain debacle......

who knew that Perez Hilton even still had a blog, but he's got stuff to say about herman

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 10:41 PM (k1rwm)

835 Better his re-election than Romney as president...

...dumbass.

I won't vote third party, but I sure as hell won't vote for Romney. Ever.


Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 10:35 PM (EIAxq)
Goodbye, sweet Republic.


Posted by: Random at November 07, 2011 10:44 PM (YiE0S)

836 I never wanted to think Herman Cain was someone who abused his power
to get sex from women, or make women uncomfortable by his power-based
pursuit of sex. But it's looking more and more that way.

Of course. You started with the premise that you wanted Cain gone by any means necessary. The sexual harassment charges are just a convenient smokescreen, even though your supporting them blows a massive hole in your demands for things like evidence, an end to political correctness, and the unfair disparities in treatment.

Where you and Ace are earning the stupid points is in letting your hatred of Cain overshadow your common sense, like the fact that you're establishing a great precedent for destroying peoples' lives and reputations based on nothing but anonymous accusations. But far be it for me to suggest that, a year before the election proper and nearly two months before the primaries, that you focus on something like taking out the Obama Party's primary weapon to be used against any and all Republican and conservative candidates when the chance to kneecap a Republican who you wish would die anyway came up. Why should you put, I don't know, the good of the country and party ahead of your personal grudges -- especially when, if Cain's as bad as you say, people won't vote for him in the primaries anyway?

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 10:44 PM (Si1i2)

837 I don't care if Cain is guilty or innocent of these charges; he has committed a grave sin in his response to them. This is enough to disqualify him from consideration, in my opinion.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 10:46 PM (vQfJ3)

838 I'm with Ace on nearly all of this, except this part:

"And what he's counting on is that the conservative movement is so dumb that it will elect him as a nominee ... and you know what? There's a good chance he's right."

I don't think there's a good chance Cain will be the nominee. I don't think there's any realistic chance at all. As Brit Hume apparently said, it's "impossible" for Cain to survive.

Posted by: sauropod at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (14aF6)

839 "ahem: "I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."-AceGuess you're the stupid one"The qualifier is "kind of". And it's followed immediately by, "Not
reassuring." Then he goes on to explain his reasoning why he's not
reassured."

"I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt."

"I'm now convinced of his guilt."

The "qualifier" - as you so moronically put it - is merely a soft peddling of his statement. Either he's guilty or not. Either a woman is pregnant, or she's not. Either you are abysmally stupid, or you're not. Any reasonable person can tell this. See, when they hold trials in court, the verdict is either "guilty" or "not guilty". No one ever declares "kind of guilty." So Ace can put whatever hesitant "qualifier" in there he wants, his statement is that he is convinced of Cain's guilt. "Kind of" is just weasel talk for "I'm too chickenshit to come right out and say it".

Fuck me, I've wasted enough time on this, I feel dumber just having to explain this to you.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (EIAxq)

840

I have no idea if the accusation is true or
not, but... How do you know he didn't tell his wife about the
accusations when they happened?
Because they're afraid Cain
will win the primary and then lose the general. And they think the
responsibility for preventing this rests on their shoulders because they
believe they're God.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 07, 2011 10:09 PM (SYhX2)
That encapsulates it very well. It's why Ace's head head asploded into a mushroom cloud over the 2010 Senate race -- Angle and COD, etc.

These dickheads self fancy themselves as The 300 at Thermopylae

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (7+pP9)

841 Goodbye, sweet Republic.

(shrug) If a man can be destroyed by anonymous accusations, then there really isn't much of a Republic left.


Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 10:48 PM (Si1i2)

842 Yep! I was agreed, I'll keep in touch to your blog.

Posted by: SEAL Target Geronimo ePub at November 07, 2011 10:48 PM (de3em)

843 I don't care if Cain is guilty or innocent of these charges; he has committed a grave sin in his response to them. This is enough to disqualify him from consideration, in my opinion.

Oh, I see. The veracity of the charges don't matter; it's whether you spin the response appropriately.
Yup, the Republic is pretty well gone at this point.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 10:49 PM (Si1i2)

844 It became Little Green Aceballs for me about 10 Palin posts ago. The numerous negative Palin, Bachmann, and Cain posts, along with his recent cringe inducing Penn State theorizing, clearly illustrate his northeast moderate mindset differs fairly significantly from my midwest/tea party sensibilities. Monty's daily DOOM keeps me coming back.

If a true conservative candidate cannot get elected under the current/anticipated economic conditions then we are already past the point of no return.

Posted by: phxjay at November 07, 2011 10:50 PM (7AzcL)

845 #843: He attempted to destroy an innocent man with a lie! If that doesn't bother you, then you have no heart.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 10:51 PM (vQfJ3)

846 "

I don't think there's a good chance Cain will be the nominee. I don't
think there's any realistic chance at all. As Brit Hume apparently said,
it's "impossible" for Cain to survive.

Posted by: sauropod at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (14aF6)"I do agree with this, but I know the right is furious at media bias. They are expecting, every time they are exposed to media, some kind of dishonesty.And when they find some, they rally behind whoever got smeared, or whatever cause is being lied about.This is a huge reason for Gov Palin, whom I sorely wish had been able to stay in the Governor's office. The endless smears and lies eventually made many conservatives protective of Palin, and hope, in their heart, for vindication. They want Palin to win a major election partly to signify the media failed to ruin her name. I say 'they', but I'd love that aspect of it, and wish Palin had run for Senate (she should).Is it possible for other conservatives to tap into that? I think only if they are like Palin, and are obviously being maligned unfairly. Much of the hits on Cain have appeared to be unfair. At the very least, folks were assuming too much. At this point, it's hard to defend him because he's trafficked in unfair attacks on his competitors, and he's also not clear enough in his own defense. I can say that the media's record of BS is enough that I do not take the scandal on Cain to mean very much. But Cain would need more than that to actually benefit from this.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 10:53 PM (rQ/Ue)

847 >>>If a true conservative candidate cannot get elected under the current/anticipated economic conditions then we are already past the point of no return.

Surely you don't mean the pro-TARP Cain, who thinks abortion is a family choice and who is eager to make a deal with Al Qaeda where he releases every single terrorist in Gitmo for one hostage?

THAT is your idea of a "true conservative"?

And perry was disqualified why...?

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 10:54 PM (nj1bB)

848 "
These dickheads self fancy themselves as The 300 at Thermopylae

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (7+pP9)
"That seems pretty dramatic.I think Ace just wants the liberal agenda thwarted because he cares about the country, and a Coons here or a Reid there or a Obama here can add up to a big problem for this country. This seems to obvious to explain.Why shouldn't folks get upset when the left gains advantages?

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 10:55 PM (rQ/Ue)

849 >>>Just realized that this woman wore the same dress on Pierce that she
wore for the presser. Yet Gloria changed clothes. Did this woman not
realize that she should bring her wardrobe with her cause she was now
going to be everyone's favorite guest?

Not only is she a lying whore, she isn't wardrobe-approved by curious.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 10:57 PM (hIWe1)

850 "Jimmy Kimmel to host White House press dinner"

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 10:58 PM (k1rwm)

851 Ace majestically literated from his Ivory tower: "Sorry, I'm now kind of convinced of his guilt. He's trying to change the subject."

Yep Ace...and many of us STILL ain't gonna vote for Mitt 'Which-Way-Da-Wind-Blowin-Today Romney in the primary. Maybe this is making Gingrich look all that much more appealing.

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 10:59 PM (kzZMU)

852
On the accusations...um, okay, he's not gay then. Eh. I'm still mulling of=ver his tax plan.
As a extremely light drinker(got drunk after voting in '0, I think a thread on the appropriate AoS choice of alcohol might be in order. I mean, I know val-u-rite...but type/mixes/beer per candidate would be nice. Just a thought...

Posted by: Tantorus Maximus at November 07, 2011 10:59 PM (glzhZ)

853
#841 really?? that is waht will cause the downfall of our country? hyperbole much??
i think a candidate for president being serially deceptive for the last week is more damaging myself. but keep drinking that koolaid, America will come round soon enough eh?

Posted by: chas at November 07, 2011 10:59 PM (xAq1C)

854 >>>Surely you don't mean the pro-TARP Cain, who thinks abortion is a family
choice and who is eager to make a deal with Al Qaeda where he releases
every single terrorist in Gitmo for one hostage?



>>>THAT is your idea of a "true conservative"?

It seems pretty clear to me that the same people who were willing to "look into Cain's heart" to see past his many major gaffes on core conservative issues are perfectly willing to look once again into his soul to deem him an innocent man wrongly accused of sexual harassment.

Or a good man who mighta coulda taken the opportunity to get himself a nice piece of 'strange' on the side every once in awhile, and hey after all who among can honestly claim not to have attempted to cheat on their wives with subordinates or job-seekers?

Or whatever tomorrow's spin will be.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:00 PM (hIWe1)

855 Not only is she a lying whore, she isn't wardrobe-approved by curious.


Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 10:57 PM (hIWe1)

I certainly haven't said that about this woman and the fact that she has on the same dress as at the presser is a huge huge fashion faux pas and Gloria should have told her to bring clothes.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 11:01 PM (k1rwm)

856 "i think a candidate for president being serially deceptive for the last
week is more damaging myself. but keep drinking that koolaid, America
will come round soon enough eh?"

Damn you, God called on me to lead, why do you hate God?

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 11:02 PM (E8wxM)

857 >>>the fact that she has on the same dress as at the presser is a huge huge
fashion faux pas and Gloria should have told her to bring clothes.

You really are beyond parody aren't you?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:02 PM (hIWe1)

858 Prediction: tomorrow's press conference by Cain will be a Nixonian "modified limited hangout" along the lines of "yes, I did spend time with these women, but what I did was MISINTERPRETED. It wasn't harassment, I swear! This is Political Correctness run amok!"

You could see this eventual line of defense coming from a mile away.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:04 PM (hIWe1)

859 God, you and I both know, we hate the poor loving libs

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 07, 2011 11:04 PM (E8wxM)

860 #843: He attempted to destroy an innocent man with a lie! If that doesn't bother you, then you have no heart.

Um, hello? I already called out Cain for his stupid attempt to piggyback on the Perry rock story (http://tinyurl.com/7ekmbd9). Why would I stand by and let Cain be picked off using the same gutter tactics?

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 11:07 PM (Si1i2)

861 "Where you and Ace are earning the stupid points is in letting your hatred of Cain overshadow your common sense, like the fact that you're establishing a great precedent for destroying peoples' lives and reputations based on nothing but anonymous accusations.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty"
Frankly, I just think Ace and the like are a bit perturbed that Hermain with all his faults, weak political machine and gaffes might just win it. That isn't an excuse for signing up with team Allred though. Listen to her story about what happened and try to reinact them in a car, hand up skirt pushing head down. He had to be leaning forward across the console to get the hand up the skirt and pulling her head down toward his crotch. You will see what I mean, the next fact I note is the Devil in Red standing next to her. Sorry Ace, your argument is weaker than her story!
He is an amatuer, I say so what, if he wins he wins. If Romney wins, he wins. I will vote and supportany one of them!

Posted by: Africanus at November 07, 2011 11:09 PM (ITskg)

862 I don't really have a dog in this race since I went all in on Newt once Perry petered out, but having an accuser go public makes me at least go "hmmm..." -- and then I see Gloria Allred at her side. Bialek could have had any number of attorneys with her, but the Tea Party conservative picks Allerd? That's a red flag which also makes me go "hmmm..." Powerful men do stupid shit when it comes to women, so I wouldn't be surprised if Cain did some stupid shit with women in the past, but Allred's presence makes me remain skeptical until something provable comes out.

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2011 11:09 PM (2ptZ1)

863 "Yep Ace...and many of us STILL ain't gonna vote for Mitt 'Which-Way-Da-Wind-Blowin-Today Romney in the primary. Maybe this is making Gingrich look all that much more appealing.


Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 10:59 PM (kzZMU)"
Good!That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Though why write Perry off? Seriously. He's a stuttering governor of a brilliantly successful state. That's a major improvement over scoamfotus.Sadly, Perry's probably the strongest border control candidate running, and I think a lot of people who find that issue important are totally writing Perry off. Perry has no one to blame for himself for this, due to his stupid comment about 'you don't have a heart', but this isn't about justice. This is about the country somehow overcoming the looming entitlement disaster and many other problems.Can Perry beat Obama? I'm confident he can. Many of his problems are actually advantages relative to, say, Cain or Romney, should be be nominated. Perry wants illegal kids to be productive taxpayers. Cain wants them to be electrocuted (LOL!!!!) and Romney wants them to get free healthcare while working his lawn super cheap for 11 hour shifts (reportedly). Only one candidate has a record of improving border control.I assume that's the issue. Perhaps I'm mistaken. I'm just frustrated that we're eliminating a guy who earned some respect with 12 years of balanced budgets and many more of fiscal sanity, because of his performance in a stupid quiz show forum. It's exactly what's wrong with this country these days. Abraham Lincoln and Calvin Coolidge would be destroyed by ... John F Kennedy and George Clooney.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:10 PM (rQ/Ue)

864 #860: I'm not talking about Perry and that stupid rock... I'm talking about Curt Anderson.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 11:11 PM (vQfJ3)

865 "but the Tea Party conservative picks Allerd"

Good point. That is very odd.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:12 PM (rQ/Ue)

866 According to Erick Erickson (yeah, I know, I know...) on Twitter, Cain is telegraphing that he's going to be attacking Bialek's "motives" in his presser tomorrow.

Great. The "disgruntled job seeker" defense, I suppose.

Would be very interested in those hotel records right about now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:13 PM (hIWe1)

867 so let's get all hypothetical. Let's say herman comes out tomorrow and has a camera at another location, a theater filled with women who are all accusing him of sexual harassment. ok, maybe a few claiming affairs, some even saying he's their baby daddy. And then he says "I'm a stud muffin, I did them all, I take full responsibility, now let's move on".

So, when he continues to climb in the polls and his campaign contributions soar...then what would you say?

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 11:17 PM (k1rwm)

868 Strange how Ace can so clearly see parallels between Herman Cain and ANTHONY WEINER...

But none between Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas.

Strange.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 07, 2011 11:20 PM (PYxvn)

869 That you need to quit sniffing cat piss you idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 11:20 PM (GULKT)

870 Cain just tweeted that he's going to be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight. It's show number 999.

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 11:20 PM (k1rwm)

871 869
That you need to quit sniffing cat piss you idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2011 11:20 PM (GULKT)

I guess you weren't a boy scout....

Posted by: surprised at November 07, 2011 11:22 PM (k1rwm)

872 "According to Erick Erickson (yeah, I know, I know...) on Twitter, Cain is telegraphing that he's going to be attacking Bialek's "motives" in his presser tomorrow.

Great. The "disgruntled job seeker" defense, I suppose.

Would be very interested in those hotel records right about now."

Good grief, can we wait all of ~9 hours until he actually HOLDS HIS PRESS CONFERENCE before we trash it?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 07, 2011 11:23 PM (PYxvn)

873 Just for you, Dustin:

Rick Perry is never as strong as he looks.
Rick Perry is never as weak as he looks. (TM)

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 07, 2011 11:25 PM (PYxvn)

874 Continued from #864: Curt Anderson is a professional campaign consultant. Cain claims to have told him about these allegations in 2004, when Anderson worked on Cain's Senate campaign. You know, so Anderson could have a response prepared if it became an issue. According to Cain, Anderson, who now works for Rick Perry, told Perry about these charges and Perry leaked it to Politico. But after Anderson denied ever having been told that info in the first place, Cain backed off and said, essentially, "Well, then, he should've asked me! He sucks at his job!" Anderson depends on being considered trustworthy; he can't go from campaign to campaign and leak details of what one politician told him to the next politician. If he did that, no candidate would trust him in the future. He'd never work in the political field again. That's how Cain's lie could've destroyed an innocent man.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 11:25 PM (vQfJ3)

875 Well, I was a reluctant Cain man - always really liked the guy as a powerful and motivational speaker if not presidential material, after having had a brief fling with Perry - until I actually heard him speak, and before that holding a weak hope that Pawlenty might just have the tenacity to survive Mitt (way to show that tenacity, TPaw) and win with the slogan, "So what's WRONG with boring???"

That's done.

Back in the 80s, then-Governor Bob Kerrey of Nebraska was running for the US Senate, and the major scoop came down that he smoked the occasional J (which I can confirm from first-hand experience....) His reply was "If that's an issue, don't vote for me." He won (in NEBRASKA) in a landslide.

I don't think that one's gonna work here, Herman.

Posted by: notropis at November 07, 2011 11:26 PM (cjcCc)

876 Jeez, ace. All we get out of you these days is poorly conceived and thinly veiled subterfuge. Well, we either get that or these spoiled little rants where you pick around the edges of arguments and declare yours to be the only rational and smart one. Why do you act like you have some kind of special knowledge?

Get real fat boy.




Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2011 11:26 PM (i3PJU)

877 A cook county IL lexis nexis search turns up a paternity suit for this innocent doe eyed 'VICTIM!!!' of Herman Cain

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:27 PM (kzZMU)

878

I'm with Ace on nearly all of this, except this part:





"And what he's counting on is that the conservative movement is so dumb
that it will elect him as a nominee ... and you know what? There's a
good chance he's right."



I don't think there's a good chance Cain will be the nominee. I don't
think there's any realistic chance at all. As Brit Hume apparently said,
it's "impossible" for Cain to survive.

Posted by: sauropod at November 07, 2011 10:47 PM (14aF6)
Amen. Ace still has a stick up his ass over the 2010 Senate election. Angle and COD, in particular. His Twitter melt-down into baby spittle like an infant confined in a playpen was an epic example of his rage, stupidity, frustration and simple dumbassery. As if we really needed more Grahams and Snowes to fuck us over at every turn.

Ace is a young pup so, in theory, I should cut him some slack. But I can't because he and his buddies are brilliant yet too damned stupid to recognize the fetid Gramscian plan unfolding under their noses perfumed by the academy.

Their sole political aims are to score a winning goal once and again while their part of the league sink into a peat bog.

Whatta bunch of dumbasses.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 07, 2011 11:32 PM (7+pP9)

879 *Peeks in*

Oh Lord, what a clusterfuck. Back to college football.

*Closes door and walks away*

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 07, 2011 11:33 PM (4obfq)

880 >>>ce still has a stick up his ass over the 2010 Senate election. Angle and COD, in particular. His Twitter melt-down into baby spittle like an infant confined in a playpen was an epic example of his rage, stupidity, frustration and simple dumbassery. As if we really needed more Grahams and Snowes to fuck us over at every turn.

Thank God for Coons and Reid!

Thank you for giving us them, Ed! You rock, son!

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 11:33 PM (nj1bB)

881 haha, nice troll job. Your troll friends already have this blog covered up.
Yes, Honey,everyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll. Because you're so special.
PS- I'm not a new poster.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 07, 2011 11:39 PM (oPceJ)

882 Anderson depends on being considered trustworthy; he can't go from
campaign to campaign and leak details of what one politician told him to
the next politician. If he did that, no candidate would trust him in
the future. He'd never work in the political field again. That's how
Cain's lie could've destroyed an innocent man.

Sorry. Since lying is perfectly acceptable if it's an attack on Herman Cain, it has to be perfectly acceptable against everyone else.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 11:40 PM (Si1i2)

883 "But none between Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas."

I don't see any parallels between Cain and Thomas. Yesterday I noted I find it strange people keep comparing the two.

What do they have in common that matters?

Thomas is conservative. Cain is... not really conservative. Not in the way Thomas is, which is bone deep principled limited government.

Thomas is truly one of the luminaries of our time. A better justice than Roberts or Scalia. A justice whose philosophy lead to accurate legal interpretation anyone can perform and predict Thomas's decisions 99% of the time... in other words, a sane legal foundation.

Thomas's smear came from a woman who wanted more to do with Thomas after the alleged harassment, following him to a subsequent job. She didn't report the harassment, and Thomas nor his authorized legal representation never settled with her any kind of compensation. The allegations of harassment came only a decade later, and Anita moved up to academic tenure as a result of a fishy story. Thomas directly denied the allegations. All due respect to Cain and his fans, but this isn't the same as what's happened with Cain and his several accusers, settlements, and particularly the timeline of the allegations or Cain's willingness to directly discuss them consistently.

I'm not saying Cain is guilty. But they nature of the charges are similar in only a very general categorical way, and otherwise this is completely different.

I guess Cain and Thomas are similar in build and skin color. Both are Republicans. There's something sexual in the accusations. That's about all I'm seeing similar.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:42 PM (rQ/Ue)

884 Thank God for Coons and Reid!



Thank you for giving us them, Ed! You rock, son!

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2011 11:33 PM (nj1bB)
Uh huh. And are you under the impression that Harry Reid would NOT have paid umpteen union bosses to make ballot boxes disappear and illegal immigrant votes materialize with a different candidate?Or that Mike Castle would not have been turned into the second coming of Satan as part of the Coons campaign?
You seem to be under the impression that Obamabots play fair against candidates you like and not against ones you don't.Guess again.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 11:43 PM (Si1i2)

885 Ahhh
teh wonders of the Internet and citizen journalism. I wonder what
other skeletons will come tumbling out of *Snow White's* closet soon?
Forgot to mention, personal bankruptcy 2 times in 10 years, buh-buh-but
Herman Cain is GUILTY!

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:43 PM (kzZMU)

886 #882: Two wrongs don't make a right. Especially if the first wronged party wrongs someone unrelated to the situation in response.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 11:46 PM (vQfJ3)

887 "Rick Perry is never as strong as he looks.


Rick Perry is never as weak as he looks. (TM)

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 07, 2011 11:25 PM (PYxvn)"For someone like me, who loathes the cult of personality, Perry is very appealing.No, he's not exactly riding to the rescue in Texas when we have a problem. And when he does, it's one of those few mistakes people hold against him. Usually he knows enough to not try to make government the solution to a problem. When he Fs up, that's what happened, 100% of the time.But he's got a great record because conservatism works. Not because Perry is the smartest man in the room, but because he believes in fiscal conservatism. It is the only trick in his domestic policy book, and it just happens to be a very good trick.I do not subscribe to the notion he is stupid. I think Perry is actually a very smart politician and a smart guy. I sincerely think this, and I realize that sounds shillish to those who have only seen the debates. Such is life.But I know there's no risk Perry will every be able to slick his way out of trouble. He will never have a cult of personality. He must lead as a conservative, and he must show results. He has no other path, and I think Cain and Romney in particular are not at all so limited. This is a problem for me.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:49 PM (rQ/Ue)

888 And when I describe what Cain did as a "grave sin," I mean he, a Baptist minister who should thus know better, broke one of the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness against Curt Anderson. For no better reason than to try to make his own scandal into Rick Perry's problem.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 07, 2011 11:50 PM (vQfJ3)

889 The Axelrod Bialek link has been found. Cook County IL online legal search

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:51 PM (kzZMU)

890 Oh by the way, the Washington Examiner (yes, that liberal rag) is now reporting that FIFTH woman has come forward with allegations:
http://tinyurl.com/7wd9mve

Look, let's just face facts: Cain was horndogging it up while he was away from his wife in DC. The narrative is friggin' as obvious as day at this point.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:51 PM (hIWe1)

891 "Or that Mike Castle would not have been turned into the second coming of Satan as part of the Coons campaign?"

No, he really wouldn't have. Coons was not going to win that election. Castle was a very popular and successful governor in Delaware.

Granted, it's not like I liked the guy. I've come to a view that we do have to draw the line in the sand somewhere other than mere electability, and some races have to be lost to make sure the GOP gets this message. I think Castle probably went too far, but let's not pretend that the GOP didn't pay the price of one Senate seat for this line in the sand. That has long term consequences. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:51 PM (rQ/Ue)

892 >>>The Axelrod Bialek link has been found. Cook County IL online legal search
You idiot, that's the WRONG DAVID AXELROD.

You might be surprised to find out that it's a fairly common name.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:52 PM (hIWe1)

893 "Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:51 PM (kzZMU)
"Wrong Axelrod, dude.
Wasn't this already debunked by Ace?

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:53 PM (rQ/Ue)

894 http://bit.ly/sTo5Iv Looks like Axelrod's firm is suing her, or was suing her. Just gets interestinger and interestinger. But damn it!! Herman Cain is GUILTY!!

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:54 PM (kzZMU)

895 No, he really wouldn't have. Coons was not going to win that election.
Castle was a very popular and successful governor in Delaware. Granted,
it's not like I liked the guy. I've come to a view that we do have to
draw the line in the sand somewhere other than mere electability, and
some races have to be lost to make sure the GOP gets this message. I
think Castle probably went too far, but let's not pretend that the GOP
didn't pay the price of one Senate seat for this line in the sand. That
has long term consequences. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it
is what it is.

Disagree on the first, agree on the second.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 07, 2011 11:54 PM (Si1i2)

896 >>>A cook county IL lexis nexis search turns up a paternity suit for this innocent doe eyed 'VICTIM!!!' of Herman Cain

You're really going to do it, aren't you? You're going to try and drag this woman's name through the mud in order to clear your True Conservative Hero?

Well, serves her right for being a lying whore, I suppose.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:54 PM (hIWe1)

897 well... I am a Moron, ain't I?

Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:54 PM (kzZMU)

898 Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:49 PM (rQ/Ue)

That has to be one of the smartest observations I've read here in a while. Thanks. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

My take on Perry is that he's a petty and unlikable and arrogant and inarticulate version of George W (yeah, I said inarticulate version of George W). I never thought he was stupid. I don't think any candidate on our side of the aisle is. I don't see any way Perry can win in the general, but, if he somehow does, your observations give me some hope. Seriously.

Posted by: notropis at November 07, 2011 11:55 PM (cjcCc)

899 "
894
http://bit.ly/sTo5Iv Looks like Axelrod's firm is suing her, or was
suing her. Just gets interestinger and interestinger. But damn it!!
Herman Cain is GUILTY!!


Posted by: mrclark -> NOT John Holmes at November 07, 2011 11:54 PM (kzZMU)"
No, that's the wrong Axelrod.It does show she's in financial duress, but hey, with Allred involved we already figured what the bottom line here is. And I'm thinking it's pretty suspicious that a TEA partier would affiliate with Allred.Cain has yet to deny the allegation here. He is guilty of what Genetic Thunder is complaining about.I don't think this kind of sleazy back and forth should be what determines our nation's fate. I don't think baseless conspiracy theories should either.What a shame.

Posted by: Dustin at November 07, 2011 11:56 PM (rQ/Ue)

900 >>>well... I am a Moron, ain't I?

In the sense that you're a fucking retarded simp, yes, I suppose so.

In the sense that you're one of us, though? Not so much. I've never seen your hashtag or username before today. Methinks you migrated here from Hot Air or somesuch. Well run along, prickface and stop trying to burn this person to the ground by dragging her personal life (which is COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THESE ALLEGATIONS) through the mud.

I'm sure you approved when Clinton sent his surrogates out to call Paula Jones a "trailer trash whore." You probably applauded that maneuver as "fair play" and "smart politics."

I'm sure.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:58 PM (hIWe1)

901 #895: Now, on that, I'll agree with you, NDT; Dustin's second point there was spot-on!

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 08, 2011 12:00 AM (vQfJ3)

902 "That has to be one of the smartest observations I've read here in a while. Thanks. No, I'm not being sarcastic.





My take on Perry is that he's a petty and unlikable and arrogant and inarticulate version of George W"

Thanks, that's very kind.

I agree that there is something visceral about Perry that is unlikeable. I've been saying this about Perry since he was Ag commish. I'm not exaggerating. I've been aware of this guy for a million years, and I'm shocked with myself to find myself saying he's the best candidate in a primary.

I think Perry is more conservative than Bush 43, but I also think you're right that Perry is less articulate than Bush in 2000 (for some reason, Bush became less articulate over time).

I do think no matter who we nominate, that person will be disliked come November 2012. If it's Romney, we will see some true nastiness attempting to cultivate bigotries. If it's Cain, well, it's obvious now, I guess. Perry will be 'the dumber Bush' and Newt is not immune, obviously.

I can guess some examples you may be referring to with the 'petty' remark. I'm probably too biased against Romney to see this fairly, if you mean attacks on Romney. I actually thought Perry was too easy on him. That's how much I dislike Romney.

Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 12:05 AM (rQ/Ue)

903 Herman's on Jimmy Kimmel......Jimmy is busy rehashing today's events! It's hysterical....

Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 12:06 AM (k1rwm)

904 #899: "Cain has yet to deny the allegation here. He is guilty of what Genetic Thunder is complaining about."... Thanks, Dustin! I'm so glad I'm not totally alone in seeing it that way!

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 08, 2011 12:10 AM (vQfJ3)

905 The same president appointed Scalia, O'Connor, AND Kennedy. (That would be Reagan, the guy who'd be thrown out of the GOP as a RINO today.)

Just as the same president appointed Thomas AND Souter. (Bush I.)

I doubt Reagan would be thrown out as a RINO. That always seems spurious to me whenever it's used to defend RINOs and liberals like Romney as solid Republican/Consevatives. Your other point about the same presidents appointing both true conservatives and pseudo-conservatives who "grew" while they were on the Court is valid.

But we can't afford to let a known liberal/moderate get those choices anymore, if we can possibly avoid that. The courts have gone full tilt boogie in overruling the Constitution. Our choice has to be as solid a conservative/originalist as we can elect.

So, you're correct: there are no guarantees, but shouldn't we at least try to load the dice more in our favor, considering everything working against us in all three branches of the government?

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 08, 2011 12:21 AM (J4B6X)

906 Over on Hot Air's QOTD thread, there are several people pushing the "she's a lying whore" charge. As in, LITERALLY: "she is a liar and a whore -- the father of her child filed a paternity suit! She's a whore! Don't believe her! WHORE I TELL YOU!"

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 12:28 AM (hIWe1)

907 #905: You're correct there, Evan. We can't have Romney in charge of appointing federal judges, as he has always preferred liberals and moderates over conservatives. http://www.confirmthem.com
/what_would_president_romneys_judicial_nominations_look_like

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 08, 2011 12:35 AM (vQfJ3)

908 Oh by the way, the Washington Examiner (yes, that liberal rag) is now reporting that FIFTH woman has come forward with allegations...

Pretty pathetic, Jeff:

"A former employee of the United States Agency for International Development says Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain asked her to help arrange a dinner date for him with a female audience member following a speech he delivered nine years ago."

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 08, 2011 12:37 AM (J4B6X)

909 Good grief, this Woman #5 krapp is just more idiotic "discomfort" felt by an Obamatron--from the WashExaminer:

"A former employee of the United States Agency for International Development says Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain asked her to help arrange a dinner date for him with a female audience member following a speech he delivered nine years ago.

Donna Donella, 40, of Arlington, said the USAID paid Cain to deliver a speech to businessmen and women in Egypt in 2002, during which an Egyptian businesswoman in her 30s asked Cain a question.

"And after the seminar was over," Donella told The Washington Examiner, "Cain came over to me and a colleague and said, 'Could you put me in touch with that lovely young lady who asked the question, so I can give her a more thorough answer over dinner?'"

Donella, who no longer works for USAID, said they were suspicious of Cain's motives and declined to set up the date. Cain responded, "Then you and I can have dinner." That's when two female colleagues intervened and suggested they all go to dinner together, Donella said.

Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said.

The next time the women heard from Cain was Christmas, when he sent them his gospel CD.

Donella said she felt it was important to describe her encounter with Cain after hearing more serious allegations of sexual harassment brought by other women.

"I couldn't swear that he had some untoward intentions, but we all thought his tone was suspect and we didn't feel comfortable putting him in touch with that woman," Donella recalled.

"I think [Cain] should not be a serious candidate for the presidential nomination because of what I've seen," said Donella, an independent who said she voted for President Obama in 2008 and probably will again next year. "He's not a person I would want running the country."

Cain's campaign did not immediately respond to inquiries from The Examiner."

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 12:37 AM (PYxvn)

910 Oh, here's Romney's record on judicicial appointments with a graph... http://poorrichardsnews.com
/post/6634402544/mitt-romney-is-a-liberal-part-2-romney-appointed

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 08, 2011 12:37 AM (vQfJ3)

911 Cain denied all of the Bialek charges--sorry to burst your bubble, Sherlocks.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 12:38 AM (PYxvn)

912 This just in: according to The Corner over on NRO, Cain is going to hit Sharon Bialek on her "celebrity lawyer" Gloria Allred, as well as alleging financial difficulties. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

In other words, he won't be denying anything, just attacking her personally.



Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 12:39 AM (hIWe1)

913 On Kimmel, that is.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 12:39 AM (PYxvn)

914 "For all of Romney's rhetoric about activist judges, his own judicial appointments also leave much to be desired. The Boston Globe reported in July of 2005 that, Romney has "passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights."

From the Confirm Them piece cited by Genetic Thunder above.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 08, 2011 12:39 AM (J4B6X)

915 I'm sorry; I can't support that...unless he's running against Obama, where the alternatives are Sotomayor and Kagan.

Posted by: Evan3457 at November 08, 2011 12:40 AM (J4B6X)

916 The only candidates I really feel like I can trust on appointing judges are Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at November 08, 2011 12:42 AM (vQfJ3)

917 "
911
Cain denied all of the Bialek charges--sorry to burst your bubble, Sherlocks.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 12:38 AM (PYxvn)"
Didn't know that. Ace has corrected this post (with a new post).

Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 12:42 AM (rQ/Ue)

918 By the way, this attack is a bunch of bullshit right off the bat and Cain's camp has to know it (and hope that Limbaughs of the world will carry water for him): whatever Bialek's financial difficulties in the past, she's currently engaged and perfectly comfortable financially. The "this lying whore is doing it for money, just look at her financial problems!" defense only works if the person in question is actually 1.) seeking money or was paid for her story; 2.) currently in tough financial straits. What is the argument supposed to be here, that she was motivated by the MEMORY of PAST financial difficulties?

If this is all that Cain has got, then he's fucked.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 12:43 AM (hIWe1)

919 So, Jeff B., who do you support for the nomination, and why? What's your proposal for eliminating the income tax, the central regulatory regime, and centralized monetary policy?

Posted by: rfichoke at November 08, 2011 12:47 AM (SYhX2)

920 "Uh huh. And are you under the impression that Harry Reid would NOT have
paid umpteen union bosses to make ballot boxes disappear and illegal
immigrant votes materialize with a different candidate?"

He didn't need to. He has the casinos. The Casinos allow undocumented workers to use their address as an official address, then bus all those workers to the polls when election time comes around.

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Ace, man up and find your stones. This whole scandal is manufactured. I've lost respect for you since you're such a patsy.

Posted by: KT at November 08, 2011 02:39 AM (Cn396)

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Yup. And I led that charge. Paternity suits are serious fucking business. It means she's either taking multiple dicks, or is extorting someone for child support.


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Cain has denied the story and has called it completely false, yet Ace wants Cain to continue to respond to these ridiculous allegations.
Let's see what comes out on this bimbo and let's see what her response will be...or is it only the accuser has to respond?
Is Cain the best the Republcians can do? That is an argumen that will be settled in the primaries.


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