Skullduggery or Spin? Sources "Close to Kasich" Claim Romney Was Used As a Pawn In An Intra-Ohio GOP Feud

Well, my theory was wrong. Assuming this is true. Which I'm not entirely sure about.

The Ohio State GOP escorted Mitt Romney to Cincinnati for what seemed like a simple campaign appearance. Romney was brought to a phone bank where conservative activists were calling citizens to support John Kasich's reforms to Ohio's public employee unions (the reforms cut benefits and the union's ability to negotiate on health-care issues). The repeal of these reforms has been put on the ballot in Ohio and is polling wellit's called "Issue 2."

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But GOP chairman Kevin DeWine, who did not support Kasich's gubernatorial campaign, brought Mitt Romney, displaying his political clout. But apparently no one informed Mitt Romney what the Ohio ballot initiatives were about or whether he had a position on them. When asked yesterday if he supported Issue 2, Mitt Romney punted. "I am not speaking about the particular ballot issues," Romney said. "Those are up to the people of Ohio."

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Two sources with ties to Governor Kasich suggested that the Romney appearance was designed to humiliate Ohio's governor.

Specifically, they suggested, Romney was advised not to take a side on this unpopular issue.

"I can tell you that those [DeWine's] sentiments [about Issue 2] have been made clear to governor Romney. The opinion of those close to the [Ohio] chairman is that Romney should stay as far away from this thing as possible. That it is unpopular," said the experienced operative.

Is this true, or is it spin from Romney supporters? Although the sources here are "close to Kasich," they might also be Romney supporters.

Further, is it incumbent on outside actors to inform Romney's campaign that he's taken a position on this already, as the article suggests? Was that Kevin DeWine's job?

And still further: Even assuming the general contours of the situation here are accurate, why didn't Romney take an actual position supporting Kasich anyway?

Or, if the situation was too sketchy, why not avoid the call center altogether? Why go to the call center at all if he'd been advised by Kevin DeWine to punt on issue important to the serving governor John Kasich?

If this is mostly true, Kevin DeWine should be evicted from office. This is cowardly, sneaky crap. If he's in love with the Public Employee Unions he should say so publicly instead of playing passive-aggressive games behind the scenes.

Thanks to DrewM.

Posted by: Ace at 02:18 PM



Comments

1 "or is it spin from Romney supporters?"
I'll take spin for $200 Alex.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 26, 2011 02:21 PM (kaOJx)

2 If he's in love with the Public Employee Unions he should say so publicly

Or to be even more honest run as a democrat.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 26, 2011 02:22 PM (tf9Ne)

3 So glad we're all on the same page, here.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at October 26, 2011 02:22 PM (I2LwF)

4 I vote for "spin". Even if the events took place as Kasich's people are saying they did, that didn't preclude Romney showing a spine (or remembering that he had come out in favor this initiative awhile back or his finding out what the hell sort of a room he was walking into before walking into it).

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 26, 2011 02:22 PM (haFNK)

5 It's intriguing, but you're right: there's no way Romney shouldn't have known he'd supported these reforms in June, or what his position should have been now, or that somebody would ask him about the central issue on the minds of Ohioans.

This sounds like weak spin to me; it's a salvage operation.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:23 PM (xp1pq)

6 BTW, so happy to vote for an unwitting dupe.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at October 26, 2011 02:23 PM (I2LwF)

7 This isn't nearly as much fun as the Wrath of Satan thread.

Posted by: pep at October 26, 2011 02:23 PM (YXmuI)

8 So, they held a gun to his head? If this guy doesn't know what to say without checking first, it is analogous to SCOAMF and his teleprompter.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 26, 2011 02:23 PM (jx2j9)

9 <em>"Is this true, or is it spin ......
... Further, is it incumbent on outside actors to inform ......
And still further: ...... why didn't Romney ...... ?
Or, if the situation was too sketchy, ...... ? Why go to the call center at all ......"</em>

...... Romney wants to be elected. That's why.

Posted by: Arbalest at October 26, 2011 02:23 PM (jipu1)

10 @1 heh

Look, Romney is the Most Competent Executive Evah, surely he knew what the phone bank callers were doing when he scheduled this photo op.

Club for Growth's take: The big problem many
conservatives have with Mitt Romney is that hes taken both sides of
nearly every issue important to us. Hes against a flat tax, now hes
for it. He says hes against ObamaCare, but was for the individual
mandate and susbidies that are central to ObamaCare. He thinks that
collective bargaining issues should be left for states to decide if hes
Ohio, but he took the opposite position when he was in New Hampshire.
This is just another statement in a long line of statements that will
raise more doubts about what kind of President Mitt Romney would be in
the minds of many Republican primary voters.


Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:24 PM (5H6zj)

11 Kevin DeWine - Showing all the back-bone and transparency of his father, Mike.

In the dictionary under RINO is his picture.

Posted by: SgtHulka at October 26, 2011 02:24 PM (P0+Gs)

12 Kevin DeWine - Showing all the back-bone and transparency of his father, Mike.I was wondering if there was a relation.

Posted by: Entropy at October 26, 2011 02:24 PM (XxXUI)

13 Jesus...we can fuck up getting up in the morning.

Posted by: EC at October 26, 2011 02:25 PM (GQ8sn)

14 Romney's inexperience governing at a state level is showing.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

15 It boils down to "nobody informed Romney whatthe popular position would be so Romney took no position." It didn't occur to Romney to ask what the initiatives were about... He wasvisiting a phone bankand didn't care enough to find out why all those people were on the phone, or evidently, if those people were Democrats or Republicans. I'm sorry, but this actually makes Romney looks even worse.

Posted by: OCBill at October 26, 2011 02:25 PM (YJvVE)

16 tee hee

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

17 Yes, you people really are going to nominate Romney. You're going to nominate him because the base of the GOP talks a good game about how you need a true conservative and how you won't allow any RINO's or squishes, but then you fall in line and back whoever the establishment of the Republican Party annoints. At least with presidential candidates, you do it every time. Every.single.time.
You fell in line and went with McCain...with predictable results. And this time you're going to go with a very middle-of-the-road Romney. Think that's going to work better for you this time?
Keep up the good work, GOP.

Posted by: Nottingham at October 26, 2011 02:26 PM (GL1SF)

18 Romney wants to be liked. That's a bad thing. He also wants to be liked by everyone. That's even worse.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 26, 2011 02:26 PM (dZ756)

19 Romney is pretty solid on his opinion that Mitt Romney should be POTUS.

Everything else is negotiable.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 26, 2011 02:26 PM (jmwiV)

20 Kevin DeWine - Showing all the back-bone and transparency of his father, Mike.

I think they're cousins, not father and son.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:26 PM (xp1pq)

21 Great googly moogly. Mitt Romney is as indecisive as a virgin on Prom Night.

Posted by: huerfano at October 26, 2011 02:26 PM (fecOD)

22 State chairman DeWine is in love (bromance)with the Secretary of State Jon Husted who wants to be governor. That's why Kevin DeWine would like to submarine Kasich.
Also Kevin is not Mike's son. He's Mike DeWine's second cousin.
And Barack Obama is still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Barry H Obeyme at October 26, 2011 02:27 PM (3oPjL)

23 @18
He kind of reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:27 PM (5H6zj)

24 No.This is accurate. Kasich's camp is not in love with Romney. But DeWine is a wind bag, this is true....Romney is getting heat for a situation that DeWine set up.

I am not DeWine supporter, but this is big big Ohio inside baseball. IT IS TRUE.

SAVE ISSUE 2. GOD SAVE ISSUE 2

Posted by: Conservative Law at October 26, 2011 02:27 PM (jED1m)

25 But apparently no one informed Mitt Romney what the Ohio ballot initiatives were about or whether he had a position on them.
There is Mitt's big problem in one sentence. No one told him if he had a position on it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2011 02:28 PM (FkKjr)

26
Kevin DeWine? Any relation to Mike DeWine, the DeDouchebag?

Ohio is in worse shape for '12 than I thought.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:28 PM (sqkOB)

27 You know-what the HELL is going on in Ohio?

Any locals out there that can explain this?

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:28 PM (rJVPU)

28
I think we're in deep trouble in Ohio.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:29 PM (sqkOB)

29 27
You know-what the HELL is going on in Ohio?

BTW, the HotAir poll from Ohio this morning shows Romney, Cain, and Perry all losing to Obama. Romney loses by five less points than Perry does, but he still loses.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:29 PM (5H6zj)

30 I knew my Mitt did nothing here that's why I boycotted this story, now I've got to come to his defense against these scurrilous accusations.

Posted by: Jen Rubin at October 26, 2011 02:29 PM (Sh42X)

31 No.This is accurate. Kasich's camp is not in love
with Romney. But DeWine is a wind bag, this is true....Romney is getting
heat for a situation that DeWine set up.



Posted by: Conservative Law at October 26, 2011 02:27 PM (jED1m)
Mitt is supposed to be Mr. Political acumen. If he gets rolled so utterly by a guy from the Bush Leagues it undercuts his electability narrative substantially.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2011 02:29 PM (FkKjr)

32 State chairman DeWine is in love (bromance) with the Secretary of State Jon Husted who wants to be governor. That's why Kevin DeWine would like to submarine Kasich.

Also Kevin is not Mike's son. He's Mike DeWine's second cousin.

Thanks Barry.

Now why in the hell is Kasich tanking in the polls?

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:30 PM (rJVPU)

33 OHIO!

Posted by: DrewC. at October 26, 2011 02:31 PM (8zofi)

34 Kevin DeWine
I know DeWine. I have Opinions about DeWine. Let me put it this way, I would not be surprised to find out this is true.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 26, 2011 02:31 PM (VtjlW)

35 Fuck the truth... Romney must perish!

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 26, 2011 02:31 PM (tazG1)

36 We couldn't have scripted this one any better. These Republicans and their primary base really are moronic. Our only regret thus far is thatPalin didn't jump into the race.But we still have Cain, Pauland Bachmann, so things are looking good for us. Romney will be ripped to shreds by the time we hit next summer. We've already preempted Perry's candidacy. We might actually win this thing. Conservative primary voters andRepublican politicians are the gifts that keep on giving. Stay classy, guys and gals. Chow.

Posted by: David Axelrod at October 26, 2011 02:31 PM (f8XyF)

37 Mitt Romney is as indecisive as a virgin on Prom Night.

A couple of 40's will take care of both situations.

Posted by: toby928 likes a hippy beatdown at October 26, 2011 02:31 PM (GTbGH)

38 BTW, the HotAir poll from Ohio this morning shows Romney, Cain, and Perry all losing to Obama. Romney loses by five less points than Perry does, but he still loses.
Posted by: Y-not

[insert swear word here]

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:32 PM (rJVPU)

39 He needed time to research what they were doing so he could take the left of center stance that he always does.

Posted by: Sponge at October 26, 2011 02:32 PM (UK9cE)

40
Obama is leading in Ohio.

And more importantly that loser Sherrod Brown is leading in Ohio.

We're not winning shit in '12. Not the White House, not the Senate.

We'll be lucky to keep the House with our razor-thin margin.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:32 PM (sqkOB)

41 Mitt should hire that dude from video and threaten Ohio with wrath hotter than hell, or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2011 02:33 PM (UlUS4)

42 Merde I think David Axelrod ..up thread is right.

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:33 PM (rJVPU)

43 Or a wrath hotter than Hot Air.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 26, 2011 02:33 PM (UlUS4)

44 The entire DeWine family sucks. And not just because they are "RINOs" - there are plenty of other reasons.

Posted by: buzz at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (i27M5)

45 Ohio gifted us with-

Kucinich...

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (rJVPU)

46 Now why in the hell is Kasich tanking in the polls?

Well, mostly because they did exactly the same thing that Wisconsin did, but it hasn't really been high on our priority list, so conservative response has been minimal. As such, unions are deluging the state with ads and the environment is well and truly toxic.

Unless the Ohio GOP's turnout operation is stellar (and the state chair seems to want these reforms to fail, so all bets are off), Kasich's going to lose this measure. He can probably pass it again, but he's got to know it will cost him his governorship.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (xp1pq)

47 This is just fucking great that some Ohio Repukes are trying to stab Kasich in the back. Time to clean out all the cocksuckers starting with the Voinovich leftovers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (G6SvX)

48
The union-limiting law is not just gonna be repealed in Ohio, it's gonna be raped.

The pro-union side is up 25 points in the polls with just two weeks until the election.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (sqkOB)

49
>>>Now why in the hell is Kasich tanking in the polls?
Because all media calls this shit union busting.
People in union states hear that and don't like it.
They repeat it day in and day out. If they reported the entire story, like how much these people make, what services they actually provide and the percentage of the State budget they eat up, then it might be different.
Don't forget, local media is just as left leaning as National media. At least it is here in SWPA and I'm assuming Ohio.

Posted by: Ben at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (wuv1c)

50 The DeWines-are they inbred?

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (rJVPU)

51 Ben that reminds me the Bengals and the Browns-

SUCK!

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:35 PM (rJVPU)

52 Spin

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 26, 2011 02:35 PM (6d9Y3)

53
fuck......

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:32 PM (rJVPU)

Posted by: Sponge at October 26, 2011 02:35 PM (UK9cE)

54 The DeWines-are they inbred?
They aspire to inbreeding.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 26, 2011 02:36 PM (VtjlW)

55 The opinion of those close to the [Ohio] chairman is that Romney should
stay as far away from this thing as possible. That it is unpopular,"
said the experienced operative.

Popularity that is what we need to think about here; let us not consider what is the best course of action for Ohio. I have this image of you Romney, that you are unwilling to take political stands that are on tough ground though it needs to be done. Your staffers are reinforcing that image by saying you stayed away from a tough issue because it was unpopular.

So it's a dicey situation and maybe you really don't want to take a side, but there must be a better political way to handle it rather than just saying "Present!".

I already have a president who likes to vote present when things get tough and tough decisions need to be made I don't need another.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 26, 2011 02:36 PM (0q2P7)

56
For fark's sake, someone from MO tell me that McCaskill is gonna lose, please?


Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:36 PM (sqkOB)

57 If Kevin DeWine is anything like his father, he's a weaselly little snake. So, Mr. Romney does a CYA, again, but the DeWine name justseems to fit in this clusterfuck.

Posted by: TB Buckeye Expat at October 26, 2011 02:36 PM (3NXMO)

58 Set up or not, it shows Romney's instincts aren't conservative as you suspected earlier Ace. An actualconservative wouldn't have to think twice about the issue.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 26, 2011 02:37 PM (fYOZx)

59
Inter family food fights can be fun and entertaining....but....

Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure ....

cant be repeated enuff.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 26, 2011 02:37 PM (C8hzL)

60 They aspire to inbreeding.

LOL!

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:37 PM (rJVPU)

61 Well, mostly because they did exactly the same thing
that Wisconsin did, but it hasn't really been high on our priority
list, so conservative response has been minimal. As such, unions are
deluging the state with ads and the environment is well and truly toxic.Unless
the Ohio GOP's turnout operation is stellar (and the state chair seems
to want these reforms to fail, so all bets are off), Kasich's going to
lose this measure. He can probably pass it again, but he's got to know
it will cost him his governorship.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:34 PM (xp1pq)
The Issue 2 people made a bad strategic fuck up after running a pretty effective campaign by using some senile crone's (she looks and sounds like the witch in the Seinfeld "marble rye" episode) video clip against Issue 2 in a subsequent ad for it; and then decided to get all legalistic while defending doing it. It was one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen, because now they're running a subsequent anti-2 ad mentioning this, and whoever was responsible should be shitcanned STAT.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM (G6SvX)

62
For fark's sake, someone from MO tell me that McCaskill is gonna lose, please?

Methinks she's toast.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM (C8hzL)

63 Thank you Sponge.

Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM (rJVPU)

64 Whoops - like his cousin.

Posted by: TB Buckeye Expat at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM (3NXMO)

65
She fuggin better be.

Because if that tax-evading shrill witch gets reelected in MO, there's no way we'll win that state.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:40 PM (sqkOB)

66 Rick Perry is behind these shenanigans. I know it!!!

Posted by: Jennifer Rubin at October 26, 2011 02:40 PM (fYOZx)

67 Mitt is supposed to be Mr. Political acumen. If he gets rolled so
utterly by a guy from the Bush Leagues it undercuts his electability
narrative substantially.

His super-power is working with Democrats, not Republicans.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:40 PM (5H6zj)

68 Rick Perry is behind these shenanigans. I know it!!!
Isn't he behind the WaPo intern stray painting something on that rock?

Posted by: alexthechick at October 26, 2011 02:40 PM (VtjlW)

69
Nuance.
It's what's for breakfast.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (Qxdfp)

70 OT, but a reminder that no good deed goes unpunished, especially for foreign policy.

J'lem sends aid as Turkey calls for pressure on Israel

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (9hSKh)

71 Sometimes, it's too easy.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich, Bond Villain at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (zgHLA)

72 Dewine = Greg Marmalard

Posted by: Kerry at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (a/VXa)

73 Kevin DeWine is definitely from the Georgette Mosbacher "we know who it is who will be the nominee" wing of the party. He's the one who steered the AG nomination to his gun-grabbing RINO turd cousin Mike.

Kevvy elbowed Dave Yost, who would have been an order of magnitude better than Mikey as AG, out of the way. I voted for the incumbent Democrat AG over Mike DeWine, because Richard Cordray at least joined the Heller amicus brief and meant it.

Posted by: Ken at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (7yb9x)

74 For fark's sake, someone from MO tell me that McCaskill is gonna lose, please?
wait until summer next year when the picture becomes clearer, right now just look to see who (of the incumbents) can't get 50% in the polls

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:41 PM (yAor6)

75 Did sven get banned because he would know what's going on here.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:42 PM (G6SvX)

76 But apparently no one informed Mitt Romney what the Ohio ballot initiatives were about or whether he had a position on them.
But apparently, Mitt Romney did not inquire for information before accepting an opportunity for publicity. And he still hasn't a clue. Smartass ignorant "good try".

Posted by: didn't take long at October 26, 2011 02:42 PM (lpWVn)

77 Thank you Sponge.





Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM (rJVPU)


Hey, anytime.

I help where I can....

Posted by: Sponge at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (UK9cE)

78 Uggh! Another Romney derangementred meat thread. ~ sigh ~

Posted by: Butwhatdoiknow at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (BvTwT)

79 Why should the GOP front-runner risk damage over an unpopular issue in a state that as nominee he will have to carry to win the election?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (q41sZ)

80 She fuggin better be.Because if that tax-evading shrill witch gets reelected in MO, there's no way we'll win that state.

She only won here by two points when the rest of the country was electing Dems by much wider margins. Most folks, at least rurally and in KC are kinda fed up with her. St Louis..???? I dunno.....

Posted by: fixerupper at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (C8hzL)

81
With the job market the way it is, with gas groceries the price they are, and with the housing market being deader than Amy Whinehouse, the Democrats should be polling in the teens.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (sqkOB)

82 Well, mostly because they did exactly the same thing that Wisconsin did, but it hasn't really been high on our priority list, so conservative response has been minimal. As such, unions are deluging the state with ads and the environment is well and truly toxic.

Unless the Ohio GOP's turnout operation is stellar (and the state chair seems to want these reforms to fail, so all bets are off), Kasich's going to lose this measure. He can probably pass it again, but he's got to know it will cost him his governorship.
Posted by: Lou

The union-limiting law is not just gonna be repealed in Ohio, it's gonna be raped.

The pro-union side is up 25 points in the polls with just two weeks until the election.
Posted by: soothsayer

***

Double H , S..gawd I'm off to go...

Ohio...they also inspired that crap arse song.



Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (rJVPU)

83 Posted by: Jennifer Rubin at October 26, 2011 02:40 PM (fYOZx)
Rubin is getting embarassing to read w/ her utter hackery for Romney, at least Hugh Hewitt defends Perry

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (yAor6)

84 Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:38 PM

I don't think it matters, anyway. If it's at all true that the DeWine faction of the Ohio GOP wanted the reforms to fail in order to get to Kasich, it would have made no difference whose ads were run. Expect only token sums to be spent on turnout efforts, and the reforms to go down in flames.

Strength, Gov. Kasich.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:44 PM (xp1pq)

85 >>! Another Romney derangementred meat thread. ~ sigh ~

Ace is dutifully reporting the "explanation" from the Romney camp. I don't see how that qualifies as derangement.

The fact that most of us aren't buying it is Romney's problem, not ace's.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:44 PM (5H6zj)

86 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 02:43 PM (q41sZ)
1- he's not the frontrunner anymore, Cain is (unfortunately if you ask me)
2 - he should have avoided Ohio at a time the issue was ready to be up for a vote

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:44 PM (yAor6)

87
KC is unhappy with McCatkill? That's a Democrat stronghold and the home to repeat-voters and dead voters and fake voters.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:45 PM (sqkOB)

88 This is not unusual. Most national candidates are not familiar with state and local issues in any more than a general sense. They are supposed to be briefed before an appearance and normally the campaign relies on local party people to advise them on the local issues.

And I've seen in other campaigns in other states face the same situation where one faction of a party is at odds with another faction and will use whatever they can to come out on top. Should Romney be expected to know the ins and outs of Ohio politics? Should he really get involved with party power squabbles?

Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) at October 26, 2011 02:45 PM (0M2Nt)

89 romney who?

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 26, 2011 02:45 PM (s+J9D)

90 I know exactly what he is talking about. Damn reporters and their damn questions!

Posted by: Joe "Choo Choo" Biden at October 26, 2011 02:46 PM (Hx5uv)

91 Should Romney be expected to know the ins and outs of Ohio politics? Should he really get involved with party power squabbles?

Should he have scheduled a photo op without knowing the issues?

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:46 PM (5H6zj)

92 If the GOP Establishment has its way, Barky will spend the 2012 election season dining on an overabundance of tasty Romney waffles.

Posted by: No Whining at October 26, 2011 02:46 PM (Wqfrr)

93 Should he have scheduled a photo op without knowing the issues?
Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:46 PM (5H6zj)
ding! ding! we have a winner
it's like showing up w/ Governor Scott in Fl not knowing about his challenges in the state

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:47 PM (yAor6)

94 Ohio...meh

Posted by: Reinse Pubics at October 26, 2011 02:47 PM (EL+OC)

95 Truth is not the author of convoluted explanations.

Posted by: Havedash at October 26, 2011 02:47 PM (sFD5n)

96 This is what campaign staff are for. They're supposed to scope out a situation and figure out the pitfalls for the candidate. They must have known that Issue 2 was volatile, so they should have warned the candidate. Then it would have been Mitt's call whether to punt this appearance or attend and take a stand. Bad staff work, embarrassment for Mitt, black eye for Kasich, bad news all around. Toss the staffers responsible out on their ass, apologize all around, and move along.

Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at October 26, 2011 02:48 PM (RD7QR)

97 1- he's not the frontrunner anymore, Cain is (unfortunately if you ask me)

Cain is nowhere. He's this year's Mike Huckabee and he knows it.

2 - he should have avoided Ohio at a time the issue was ready to be up for a vote

Probably so.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 02:48 PM (q41sZ)

98 btw as I've mentioned before...
Ohio not ready for proper steps needed but Wisconsin is?
re-alignment anyone?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (yAor6)

99 Mitt Romney as The Terminator: "I'll be back if it is politically convenient."

"

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (Hx5uv)

100 This shit is why Purple Avenger left the country.

In a way I wish the commies won the Cold War. By the 1970s no one in Russia really wanted Communism. It's been, what, three decades since Reagan got in office. By now we'd have had three decades of experience and would be ready to get rid of it.

But we Americans love us some free government cheese and protected industries. We're going to vote ourselves Yugos and Trabants, free housing, free fucking Willy on our free TVs.

Posted by: Zimri Monophthalmos at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (m2Yvn)

101 Are you Mittbots sure you want to trust him with nuclear weapons?

Posted by: GMB at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (wY55N)

102 This sounds like the Romney campaign from 08 where they filled his daily schedule so full that he was always exhausted or would mess up because he didn't have time to prepare.

Sure if you have the media covering for you you can not worry about like Obama and his 57 states/Corpseman type mistakes. Or Biden with his talking about how great a local restaurant was that had been closed for decades. Or Biden asking a guy in a wheelchair to stand up.. or Biden .. well lets be honest the Biden list could go on a really loooooooooong time.

Posted by: Shiggz-open - weighing -pros-cons-balls at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (I9fXA)

103 Should he have scheduled a photo op without knowing the issues?

Well, Perry schedules entire debates without knowing them.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 02:49 PM (q41sZ)

104 Cain is nowhere. He's this year's Mike Huckabee and he knows it.
yeah I was hoping for that too but after what I thought was a bad debate for him he went from #2 to the #1 guy leading in Ohio and even places like Illinois. States that tend to vote for whoever the establishment is backing. if Cain has a downfall coming I have yet to see it.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM (yAor6)

105 it's like showing up w/ Governor Scott in Fl not knowing about his challenges in the state

Or Charlie Gibson showing up, well, anywhere.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM (Hx5uv)

106 Yes, you people really are going to nominate Romney. You're going to nominate him because the base of the GOP talks a good game about how you need a true conservative and how you won't allow any RINO's or squishes, but then you fall in line and back whoever the establishment of the Republican Party annoints. At least with presidential candidates, you do it every time. Every.single.time.
You see, I think some of us are starting to see the whole reasonable and safe route are not going to work anymore.If theDC establishment starts suspecting that they are chained at the waist to the political equivalent of Hanibal Lector and he's all out of fava beans, maybe they won't push Romney so hard. I'm talking bat shit insane. You nominate Romney in the primary? Fuck you, I'm voting for Obama in the general. I'm going all Sam Jakcson Pulp Fiction on your ass from now on.

Posted by: Max Power at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM (q177U)

107 Expect only token sums to be spent on turnout efforts, and the reforms to go down in flames.Strength, Gov. Kasich.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:44 PM (xp1pq)
It will be a major defeat for everybody if Issue 2 goes down and hanging is too good for any Repukes that may have sabotaged this. I'm still not ready to throw in the towel. The fucking polls are skewed because nobody in their right mind would give an anti-union statement to some anonymous dipshit on the phone for fear that the union goons would descend on their homes. Ohio is still a conservative state outside of the blue urban hells and I'm not giving up hope.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM (G6SvX)

108 103.

Ow..... that's gonna leave a mark.... ;-)

Posted by: fixerupper at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM (C8hzL)

109 "Can't anybody play this game here?" Seriously! Bushwhacked by ain-state pissing contest!?!A crippled presidency and this crap is going on? It makes me seriously nauseous. Everythings wrong with this and nobody looks like anadult.

Posted by: Butwhatdoiknow at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (BvTwT)

110 Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at October 26, 2011 02:48 PM (RD7QR)
+1
Well, Perry schedules entire debates without knowing them.
ha! lol +1

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (yAor6)

111 >>>79 Why should the GOP front-runner risk damage over an unpopular issue in a state that as nominee he will have to carry to win the election?

Because losing an election is the best way to prove one's conservative authenticity, I guess.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (tazG1)

112 If he's in love with the Public Employee Unions he should say so
publicly instead of playing passive-aggressive games behind the scenes.

HI all, I'm back. I haven't read all the comments so this may have been covered, but isn't this the same kind of shitty back-stabbing crap they did to Palin? Yes, I know that the comment there is for an OH guy it it seems to me that there is something going on amongst all of them.

The Romney staff are some low-life bastards, but then you have to account for the one they work for.

Posted by: Vic at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (YdQQY)

113 I knew this was too bad and too bizarre to be true. Also, it's INTRA-Ohio, no?

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (bN5ZU)

114 Hey..where's Vic today?

Posted by: CAC at October 26, 2011 02:52 PM (JEVge)

115 Or Charlie Gibson showing up, well, anywhere.
+1 lol
you guys are cracking me up, i'm losing brownie points to you morons quick

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:52 PM (yAor6)

116 @103
I think Cain is spelled C-A-I-N.


But more to the point, one was an unforced error at an event completely within the control of the candidate and the other is an event controlled by the media.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (5H6zj)

117 Posted by: CAC at October 26, 2011 02:52 PM (JEVge)
comment 112
flame war to begin soon..

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (yAor6)

118
Can we have a "Rape, Romney and Handcuff Lad" post?
Not necessarily in that order.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (Qxdfp)

119 Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2011 02:50 PM

Well, keep up hope. Maybe there is a Bradley-type effect going on, and the voters on this issue will behave like voters in 2010. I'm in a state in which reforms like these would never pass, and the whole legislature is in the grasp of the unions.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (xp1pq)

120 Even assuming the general contours of the situation here are accurate,
why didn't Romney take an actual position supporting Kasich anyway?

Take an actual position? Seriously? At some point you must have forgotten, even though his name appears in the sentence, that this is Mitt Romney you're talking about.

Posted by: DocJ at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (A5uiv)

121 yeah I was hoping for that too but after what I thought was a bad debate
for him he went from #2 to the #1 guy leading in Ohio and even places
like Illinois.

Sure, but this thing will long have been decided by the time Ohio and Illinois vote. Cain has enough money and momentum to potentially win Iowa, like Huckabee did, but after that he'll be done.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 02:53 PM (q41sZ)

122 I'm no fan of the Mittens The Soon-To-Be-G*d but my spidey-sense is saying "Shenanigans and Going-ons" from the local turd, Dewhine

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 26, 2011 02:54 PM (+hB3s)

123 111
>>>79 Why should the GOP front-runner risk damage over an
unpopular issue in a state that as nominee he will have to carry to win
the election?





Because losing an election is the best way to prove one's conservative authenticity, I guess.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 26, 2011 02:51 PM (tazG1)
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You guys need to catch up because now Mitt's firmly behind Kasich... as he's always been (since 11 o'clock this morning).

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:54 PM (5H6zj)

124 I guess one other thing we need to do, add OH to the list of States with dysfunctional Republican party leadership. That makes NY, DE, NY, NV, and OH now.

What we may be seeing here out in the open is the war between the Rockefeller squishy wing and the conservative wing.

Posted by: Vic at October 26, 2011 02:54 PM (YdQQY)

125
Why is Kasich so unpopular?
Here he is explaining his efforts on trying to convince Ohians to come to his side on the union-limiting issue:

If Im in a golf game and Im down six holes with seven to play, I try
to play harder. You
just work as hard you can, try to explain it. You dont quit.

A man of the people. I suppose we're lucky he didn't use a polo analogy.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 26, 2011 02:54 PM (sqkOB)

126 Bob Dole would have read the initiatives before opening Bob Dole's piehole.

Posted by: Bob Dole, Always Ready at October 26, 2011 02:55 PM (iYbLN)

127 A little OT, but I'm been a-wondering if Romney is running for POTUS to get a LDS upgrade for his planet.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 26, 2011 02:56 PM (+hB3s)

128 What we may be seeing here out in the open is the war between the Rockefeller squishy wing and the conservative wing.
Conservatives are the enemy. I know this because Romney's people tell me so on every thread.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:56 PM (5H6zj)

129 What we may be seeing here out in the open is the war between the Rockefeller squishy wing and the conservative wing.

Oh, and to prove my crusty old fart creds: Abort Rocky!

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:57 PM (5H6zj)

130 Because losing an election is the best way to prove one's conservative authenticity, I guess.
ha! lol +1

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:57 PM (yAor6)

131 I guess one other thing we need to do, add OH to the list of States with dysfunctional Republican party leadership.

You forgot New Hampshire, in which a Tea Party state chair made a wonderful first impression for us, bankrupting the state party and making a mockery of several special elections, before finally being forced out.

Stupid is stupid, no matter what faction they subscribe to.

Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:57 PM (xp1pq)

132 85
Not Ace. The discussion points on both sides are so ... ah...
ObamaReturnsToTheWhiteHouseBecauseWeDestroyEachOther predictable.

Posted by: Butwhatdoiknow at October 26, 2011 02:57 PM (BvTwT)

133 Has anyone mentioned that Mitt sux pendulous donky balls to the core of the 7th level of Hell?

Posted by: Actual conservative who knows Mitt sux at October 26, 2011 02:58 PM (OlN4e)

134 Wait a sec - the GOP state chairman didn't support the GOP gubernatorial candidate?

Good luck, Ohio.

Posted by: Papa Editor at October 26, 2011 02:58 PM (Zs83Q)

135 ObamaReturnsToTheWhiteHouseBecauseWeDestroyEachOther predictable.
im leaning towards thinking that's the eventual result

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:58 PM (yAor6)

136
Not Ace. The discussion points on both sides are so ... ah...

ObamaReturnsToTheWhiteHouseBecauseWeDestroyEachOther predictable.

----

If you're so concerned about that then I suggest you urge your candidate to stop shitting on the base and try to convince us to vote for him, because 27% is not going to cut it.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (5H6zj)

137 79 Why should the GOP front-runner risk damage over an unpopular issue
in a state that as nominee he will have to carry to win the election?


Why did he reiterate his initial stance (from summer) this morning if he wanted to avoid the issue altogether?




Posted by: Miss'80s at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (d6QMz)

138 Posted by: Papa Editor at October 26, 2011 02:58 PM (Zs83Q)
never good when the party is not behind the leader, we have the same prob here in FL

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (yAor6)

139 Meanwhile, new Quinnepeack Uni. poll shows Ohio would reelect Obama if the election was today.

Has the whole state been injected with Tardisil?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (niZvt)

140 Has the shape-shifter ever given a straight answer? Couldn't he have just said that he was unaware of the local politics and wasn't invited under the pretext of taking a position, but that he was there for a simple meet and greet?

What this post needs is that cartoon of Romney with the five mouths on both sides of his face.

Posted by: Fritz at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (FabC8)

141 Uggh! Another Romney derangementred meat thread. ~ sigh ~

Some people just need to realize that some folks don't want to buy a Presidency from a used car salesman.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (0q2P7)

142 Really Romney supported Issue 2 Ballot in June? He must have precognition powers.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (IqM9e)

143 131
I guess one other thing we need to do, add OH to the list of States with dysfunctional Republican party leadership.

....

Stupid is stupid, no matter what faction they subscribe to.


Posted by: Lou at October 26, 2011 02:57 PM (xp1pq)


Stupid is as stupid does, SIR!

Posted by: Mitt Forrest Romney at October 26, 2011 03:00 PM (+hB3s)

144 You forgot New Hampshire, in which a Tea Party state chair made a
wonderful first impression for us, bankrupting the state party and
making a mockery of several special elections, before finally being
forced out.

I had not heard about that one. Good thing he is gone.

Posted by: Vic at October 26, 2011 03:00 PM (YdQQY)

145 The company where I work invested a $250M into an infrastructure project in a nearby state and then the governor wouldn't permit our "grand opening" to take place until more than six months after operations ramped up. Why? Because he wanted to wait until a local politican who had been instrumental in pushing the project was out of office to assure hecouldn't usethe success of theproject in campaign for higher office.
The backstabbing and infighting are nothing new and cetainly not unique.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:01 PM (LyOUH)

146 Posted by: CoolCzech at October 26, 2011 02:59 PM (niZvt)
Quinnipac doesn' have too good an accuracy rate so take it with a grain of salt. Also notice that Obama can't get to 50% in the state, not good for an incumbent this far out.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:01 PM (yAor6)

147 @142
You do realize that they were working on the ballot initiatives this summer, right? The language was decided on August 3rd, that doesn't mean the issue wasn't in discussion before then.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 03:01 PM (5H6zj)

148 I think by supporting then not supporting then re-supporting Kasich on this issue, Romney is trying to solidify his 25% support among republicans. I think he just might do it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 26, 2011 03:01 PM (Sh42X)

149 Why should the GOP front-runner risk damage over an unpopular issue
in a state that as nominee he will have to carry to win the election?


The fact there is a right and wrong on the issue never entered into your head did it? He doesn't have to of course, but it doesn't get him any closer to majority support.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 26, 2011 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

150 128
Conservatives are the enemy. I know this because Romney's people tell me so on every thread.

Rick Perry in a recent poll is in FIFTH place at 6%. I'm beginning to think that results from more than his failings as a candidate. His devotees, not satisified with criticizing the candidates who oppose him, feel compelled to trash the supporters of the other candidates. Perryism is starting to be a dead ringer for Palinism.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:02 PM (b68Df)

151 All right, here's a question. If DeWine brought Romney into this mess because he wanted to exercise his political clout to hammer Kasich, but didn't tell Romney what the hell was going on, then wouldn't that mean he's trying to kneecap Romney in the polls? DeWine had to know that anything Romney said, one way or another, would be received negatively by some segment of the population. Is this kind of passive-aggressive ambush going to do DeWine's political cloutany goodif he's created a shitstorm for the establishment GOP's darling, RINO Romney?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 26, 2011 03:02 PM (4df7R)

152 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:02 PM (b68Df)
most6 anti-Romey folks have despreatly run to Cain who is now the frontrunner, I wouldnt worry about taking shots at a backbencher when your guy is losing it so closely in the polls to a Pizza CEO

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:03 PM (yAor6)

153 Meanwhile, new Quinnepeack Uni. poll shows Ohio would reelect Obama if the election was today. Has the whole state been injected with Tardisil?
The talkies are frequently beseiged by loons but, last week, Hannity had a "teacher" from Ohio on the phone trying to persuade him to stop coming down on unions so hard. He actually did a great job of explaining his case and asked her probing questions and, frankly, showed her far more patience than almost anyone else would before he finally called her a seminar caller and kicked her off the line.
You should have heard it. It went on and on and she made less sense and became more agitated as time went by. I wanted to slap her so bad my hand was tingling.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:04 PM (LyOUH)

154 ...RINO Romney?...
embrace the RINO

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:05 PM (yAor6)

155 @150
Yeah, exactly the same. Someone who entered the primary battle two months ago with a war chest the size of Mitt's and significant endorsements is exactly like someone who was not running for office.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 03:05 PM (5H6zj)

156 >>>Some people just need to realize that some folks don't want to buy a Presidency from a used car salesman.

Yeah, 'cause the fucking AntiChrist is so much better as president.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 26, 2011 03:06 PM (tazG1)

157 151
All right, here's a question. If DeWine brought Romney into this mess
because he wanted to exercise his political clout to hammer Kasich, but didn't tell Romney what the hell was going on, then wouldn't that mean he's trying to kneecap Romney in the polls?

Commies don't take a dump, son, without a plan. Dewine only cares about messing up Kaisch. He dragged him into this issue for one reason - to screw someone else... He could care less about any other consequences...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 26, 2011 03:06 PM (+hB3s)

158 #140 that's basically what he said. Please also note he said ' not speaking on the particular ballot issueS.' Anyone care to know what the other initiative was and whether that lends some context to his statement? Not likely.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 26, 2011 03:06 PM (IqM9e)

159 123 y not

thank you....i spit my peanuts on the screen

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 26, 2011 03:06 PM (s+J9D)

160 Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:04 PM (LyOUH)
wait Hannity actually debated a caller? i'm stunned, I always thought he was one of the worst w/ seminar callers along with Rush Beck
Hewitt and Gibson are masters with them

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:06 PM (yAor6)

161 Rick Perry in a recent poll is in FIFTH place at 6%. I'm beginning to think that results from more than his failings as a candidate. His devotees, not satisified with criticizing the candidates who oppose him, feel compelled to trash the supporters of the other candidates. Perryism is starting to be a dead ringer for Palinism.
Perry will ramp up as the others begin to drop out. Why spend all that money fighting folks like Santorum and Paul. In the end, I would bet it will be Perry and Romney onthe stage. And Cain, I just don't see him having the stayng power.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:07 PM (LyOUH)

162 Conservatives are the enemy. I know this because Romney's people tell me so on every thread.Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:56 PM (5H6zj)

Not a single Romney supporter has ever said anything like that, on this thread or any other. They, on the other hand, are told that they are the enemy by the self-appointed "true" conservatives in nearly every thread.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 03:07 PM (q41sZ)

163 138 never good when the party is not behind the leader, we have the same prob here in FL

Politicians and political hacks are nervous about people who support initiatives which are good but unpopular. They prefer to do the safe thing by being non-offensive and giving people what they want. Taking risks only endangers their career, so they will let that other guy twist in the wind.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 26, 2011 03:08 PM (d6QMz)

164 Maybe they just don't like non-conservative Republicans and don't want them to get the nomination for President. And, for the record, Romney certainly appears to be non-conservative, unprincipled, and does not feel bound by the strictures of honesty.

Posted by: Nottingham at October 26, 2011 03:08 PM (GL1SF)

165 Forget this, the feel good story of the day according to Fox is... a cute little girl sounded so cute talking to the police dispatcher because she couldn't find her mom.

Oh by the way, the six year old (if that), actually got in a car, turned it on, put it in reverse (not sure how she knew how to do that, or how she knew about the pedal safety thingy.. but anyway), and lost control of the car because she couldn't reach the pedals! HOW CUTE!!!

Not once did anyone mention that this is dangerous beyond imagination..
but that doesn't matter, afterall she's soooo cute!! This was a Megan
Kelly story if anyone had any doubts.. Its a wonder nobody was run over and died a horrible death being pinned under the car. Great. But... she's soooo cuuuuuute!!!


Posted by: Governor Moon Beaner at October 26, 2011 03:08 PM (bcmD0)

166 160 aurthor/yrm
i didn't make the connection that you were yrm....

gotham princess showed up a couple of days ago as "meow" with a new hash

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 26, 2011 03:09 PM (s+J9D)

167 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 03:07 PM (q41sZ)
War I love you man but any anti-Romney comments by me have lead me to be called a troll. onceThere's no doubt that supporting him gets calls of "RINO!" to people and there's some dopes out there saying they'd sit out instead of voting for him. However this claim of yours that all Romney supporters on these threads are perfect angels is total bs.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:09 PM (yAor6)

168 Yeah, 'cause the fucking AntiChrist is so much better as president.

1. If that's "support Romney for the nom or Obama wins"
F* you. I stocked up on 'R' brand electability in 2008 and didn't use any, you can go sell it someplace else.

2. If that's "support Romney in the general or you deserve the DOOM" If Romney convinces me he's got the spine to avert the DOOM I'll support him in the general, he just hasn't convinced me yet.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 26, 2011 03:11 PM (0q2P7)

169 152
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:02 PM (b68Df)
most6 anti-Romey folks have despreatly run to Cain who is now the frontrunner, I wouldnt worry about taking shots at a backbencher when your guy is losing it so closely in the polls to a Pizza CEO

And how is your guy doing running against a Pizza CEO?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:11 PM (b68Df)

170 wait Hannity actually debated a caller? i'm stunned, I always thought he was one of the worst w/ seminar callers along with Rush Beck
Oh yeah. She was a Republican teacher who was seeing other Republicans bailing on the party to vote Dem because of the tough-on-union stance that he and others are taking. She was pleading with him to back off.
She: "Without the unions there's nothing to protect us. They're going to cut our paychecks by 3 or 4 hundred dolars a week!"
He: "Who's they? Who is telling you that? What makes you think they don't have an agenda? Why are they telling you such things? Why should you get protection?"

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:11 PM (LyOUH)

171 Conservatives are the enemy. I know this because Romney's people tell me so on every thread.Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2011 02:56 PM (5H6zj)

Not
a single Romney supporter has ever said anything like that, on this
thread or any other. They, on the other hand, are told that they are the enemy by the self-appointed "true" conservatives in nearly every thread.


Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 26, 2011 03:07 PM (q41sZ)
====You are ALL my children, now...

Posted by: Mitt "Freddy Kreuger" Romney at October 26, 2011 03:12 PM (B0LGd)

172 Romney has no need of supporters. His nuts are filled with helium.

Posted by: Actual conservative who knows Mitt sux at October 26, 2011 03:13 PM (OlN4e)

173 gotham princess showed up a couple of days ago as "meow" with a new hash
1- yes i'm YRM lol I change my nicto shake things up a couple months ago but that was after years of using "YRM" unlike catlady's ever changing nics.
2- really? so how you guys figure it was her? sounds like she knows the blog is no longer taking her bs and thinks a new hash will fix things up. she really screwed herself over after she decided she could attampt blackmail online.
ps - anyone heard from Jane yet?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:13 PM (yAor6)

174 it's like showing up w/ Governor Scott in Fl not knowing about his challenges in the state

I LOVE Rick Scott. AS IF anyone hadn't figured that out from my incessant RICK SCOTT FOR PRESIDENT comments over the past few motnhs.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:14 PM (LyOUH)

175 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:11 PM (b68Df)
and who exactly ismy guyaccording to you?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:14 PM (yAor6)

176 " Anyone care to know what the other initiative was "
The other one is a initiativeto prevent Ohio from having a individual mandate for health insurance. We all know Romney supportsindividual mandates,so has he changed his mind on that as well?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 26, 2011 03:14 PM (kaOJx)

177 Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:14 PM (LyOUH)
I like him too, he's a pleasant suprise as Guv but i'd be shocked if he wins a 2nd term

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:14 PM (yAor6)

178 175
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:11 PM (b68Df)
and who exactly ismy guyaccording to you?


Every indication is that it is Perry, unless you aren't supporting anyone in particular and are currently content to merely bash Romney.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:17 PM (b68Df)

179 Mendez you have never been called a troll by any Romney supporter. You have though thrown insults at me and I have ignored them in part because it's just the Internet and I've yet had anyone do the same to me in person.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 26, 2011 03:18 PM (IqM9e)

180 Even if true, Romneys problem remains. The right wants a potus who is an ideological leader and will use the bully pulpit to advance courses in thepublic discoursewhich may not always be within his jurisdiction. Romney is a coward trying not to step on anybodys toes and making as few waves as possible, to sleepwalk into the presidency. The Ohio scene said more about Romney than about the issueson the ballot in Ohio or thebackroom politics behind them. Its only a symptom of the bigger problem.Romney is not a leader, he is a careerist.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at October 26, 2011 03:19 PM (P/F96)

181 I like him too, he's a pleasant suprise as Guv but i'd be shocked if he wins a 2nd term
Yep. How dare he! How could he have the nerve to stand up and say no to the local Rs who were fighting for high speed rail! I'm still so proud of him for that.
The one project that he did let through, after considerable fighting, was an element which had been pushed through by Hunstman Crist and he told them that if it fails they own it.
I am also behind his proposal to drug test the recipients of welfare. Screw the argument about invasive personal searches. Nobody forces anyone to request welfare. They are requesting taxpayer money and want no strings attached. Bullshit!
In the end, that is a battle he will win.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:21 PM (LyOUH)

182 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:17 PM (b68Df)
you need to figure out stuff before you jump to conclusions nimwit
I started out backing T-Paw, he sucked
then backed Bachmann, she went nuts
then backed Perry, he screwed himself over
then backed Romney, got sick of defending lies and being embarassed by him
as I stated time and time again i'm content to be an undecided that will wait to see my choices on Jan 31st when I vote for the FL primary election
in other words you WANT me to support your guy because i'm exactly the type you need to give him the nomination
but the more and more this race goes the more I just don't like any of them.
and yes I'll admit i'm not a fan of Romney but neither am I of Cain, as for Perry I think he's done. If that last debate didn't start a comeback I don't know what will. so basically stop drinking the Romneybot kool-aid and stop jumping to conclusions because I told you to worry about the Pizza CEO who's beating your guy.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:22 PM (yAor6)

183 Come to think of it. I'm more than a little surprised that Scott doesn't get more ink here. His drug testing proposal is gonna be ground-breaking.

Posted by: Clueless at October 26, 2011 03:23 PM (LyOUH)

184 Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 26, 2011 03:18 PM (IqM9e)
are you serious? the guy who called me a troll afterI ironicallywas talking giving money to Romney is saying no one has ever called me a trool?
and what are these poor little insults you can't take? that I labeled you a Romneybot? oh my God! the horror!

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:25 PM (yAor6)

185 Yep. How dare he! How could he have the nerve to stand up and say no to the local Rs who were fighting for high speed rail! I'm still so proud of him for that.
yep, my self loathing conservative brother was crying like a baby when he stopped that bs
I am also behind his proposal to drug test the recipients of welfare. Screw the argument about invasive personal searches. Nobody forces anyone to request welfare. They are requesting taxpayer money and want no strings attached. Bullshit!
hey i'm a liberterian for drug legilization and have no prob w/ that myself, you wanna do drugs? don't do it on my dime

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:27 PM (yAor6)

186 Clueless I thought there was a tempoary injunction on the drug testing by the fed court. What's the next step for the Governor?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 26, 2011 03:28 PM (IqM9e)

187 Please convince me that mittens will be any better than the anti-crist.

Posted by: GMB at October 26, 2011 03:28 PM (wY55N)

188 My followers are infamous for their ability to whine like little girls.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 26, 2011 03:28 PM (B0LGd)

189 Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 26, 2011 03:29 PM (0q2P7)

190 182
So you are content to bash Romney and his supporters without supporting any particular candidate of your own.Got it.
BTW:
"War I love you man but any anti-Romney comments by me have lead me to be called a troll. onceThere's no doubt that supporting him gets calls of "RINO!" to people and there's some dopes out there saying they'd sit out instead of voting for him. However this claim of yours that all Romney supporters on these threads are perfect angels is total bs."
I really have no idea what website you have been visiting, or think you have been visiting where legions of Romney supporters go about personally attacking you. Granted you seem predisposed to that kind of behavior, but don't project that onto other people.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:29 PM (b68Df)

191 >>Come to think of it. I'm more than a little surprised that Scott doesn't get more ink here. His drug testing proposal is gonna be ground-breaking.

You mean the drug testing for welfare recipients? If so, not really ground breaking but still a great idea. It was tried in MI about 10 years ago but it also got challenged and thrown out by the courts as unconstitutional.

It's legal for my company to drug test me and for the gov't to take my money in taxes and give it to someone who can't be drug tested for privacy reasons. Makes perfect sense to liberals.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2011 03:30 PM (TMB3S)

192 You know Romney knows business because his dad ran American Motors. Anyone remember the AMC Matador. Now THAT was an awesome car.

Posted by: OCBill at October 26, 2011 03:30 PM (YJvVE)

193 So you are content to bash Romney and his supporters without supporting any particular candidate of your own.Got it.
Ive also bashed Perry and Cain, so again where are your claims my probs are only w/ your mancrush?
it's funny that as someone who has come to Jeff B's defense and other moderates around here who have taken crap for backing Romney that it's my anti-Romney comments that get the Romneybots all worked up even as I've bashed the folks who won't come out for him in 2012. Guess any criticism of their boy hurts just too much for the little darlings.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 26, 2011 03:34 PM (yAor6)

194
Dear Gov Romney,
It's come to my attention via your supporter(s) that conservatives stab you in the back and you are right not to trust us.
So have I got a deal for you. You don't trust me and I don't vote for you.
Deal?
Thxkbai

Posted by: Heartless Nora Who Doesn't Want To Give Tuition Breaks to ILLEGALS at October 26, 2011 03:39 PM (VxqUc)

195
Oh, wait, DeWine, not a conservative, stabbed Mitt in the back?
The meme is b-u-s-t-e-d!

Posted by: Heartless Nora Who Doesn't Want To Give Tuition Breaks to ILLEGALS at October 26, 2011 03:40 PM (VxqUc)

196 JackStraw at October 26, 2011 03:30 PM
Great point Straw. Where have you been, haven't seen you here since before the last debate.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 26, 2011 03:41 PM (kaOJx)

197 >>Great point Straw. Where have you been, haven't seen you here since before the last debate.

South America. I had them put the debate on the TV in a bar in Santiago that had CNN. My fellow patrons were not entertained.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2011 03:44 PM (TMB3S)

198 This whole issue seems almost completely, but not entirely and totally, ridiculous.

I want to know where the candidates stand on Texas ballot proposition 7. (I don't care about Ohio.)

Posted by: RioBravo at October 26, 2011 03:58 PM (eEfYn)

199
One would think that spin like that should require the campaign to employ a gyroscope.

Impressive.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 26, 2011 04:01 PM (SAMxH)

200 None of it makes sense to me, because Mitt could have pulled up the (R) position on the biggest ballot measure in the state on his cellphone and just did a parrot routine, even if he didn't know the particulars. How silly is it to -not- take a position? Better off saying "I'm for it" and then move along.

Posted by: Chris W. at October 26, 2011 04:33 PM (6Lik1)

201 ...Perryism is starting to be a dead ringer for Palinism.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 26, 2011 03:02 PM (b68Df)
Sniff, sniff. What is that smell? Ah, yes, projection.

Posted by: museisluse at October 26, 2011 04:45 PM (4Lj43)

202 For those of you who keep chanting "Herman Cain can't possibly win, he can't even compete", keep on chanting, maybe you'll convince someone, somewhere, if you keep repeating it long enough.

Cain at this point looks perfectly fine through at least the March 6 Super Primary. As does Romney, of course. Perry can probably hang in there too.

The GOP of course always *does* like to nominate the Establishment Candidate. But this year could be different.

My man Herman is doing just fine. Slow and steady wins the race. His non-establishment, non-traditional campaign has a great shot. Keep on truckin. Turn conventional wisdom on its frickin' head! The oh-so-very wise men of the establishment shall eat crow.

Posted by: Mike Devx at October 26, 2011 04:51 PM (dcpnd)

203 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 26, 2011 05:00 PM (fyOgS)

204 A simple Google check indicates that DeWine is a stinking establishment RINO. A charter member of the Me Party.

Why would we be surprised that Romney is hanging with him?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 26, 2011 05:23 PM (VKRmb)

205 Being in Ohio I don't trust anyone named DeWine.

Posted by: Drillanwr at October 26, 2011 05:33 PM (z+Dxj)

206

Ace,

First let's assume that the story is accurate that Kevin DeWine was using Romney to cut Kasich. Doesn't it make sense that in the intense whirlwind of constant campaign stops that Romney would find himself utterly blindsided by the situation? DeWine's event-planning people will not have fully informed Romney's people about the nature of the campaign stop. (They're using Romney as a pawn, remember?) Probably as far as Romney's crew knew this was a routine campaigning opportunity to promote Romney's nomination - rather than to become immersed in a local ballot initiative. Additionally, Romney's people will suddenly be advised by high-ranking Ohio
GOP insiders to be extremely careful regarding a dangerously unpopular
issue. Once Romney finds himself thrust into such a strange situation, the smartest thing he can do is make utterly innocuous comments until he can find out what the heck is going. Assuming Romney was being used, there is no reason to believe he would have been given the heads-up that he would be put on the spot regarding a contentious local issue. So of course, he'll want to confirm the precise position he has staked out on these local issues in the past.

Now let's assume that the story is false that Kevin DeWine was using Romney to cut Kasich. In that case it is very likely that additional details will come out exposing the Romney campaign as making up multiple lies to cover Romney's tepid comments. While this is possible, it seems most unlikely because the risk is so high, and all that would be gained is a favorable explanation for utterly innocuous comments. Does it really make sense that the disciplined Romney campaign would take such a big risk for so little a gain? Anyway, if the story is false, it will be exposed in short course.



Posted by: Dave at October 26, 2011 06:06 PM (SV650)

207 @106 Word.

Posted by: Ken at October 26, 2011 06:23 PM (ZnE3s)

208 Horse. Shit.

And how come every time Ace has to file one these Horse. Shit. MittLies, someone else gets saddled with doing the 'honors'?

Fact One is, Ohio is in play big-time, and Fact Two is Ballot Initiative Two is D. friggin' O. friggin. A. - or if it weren't already, Mittens just piled on to boost his own Who The Fuck Knows What He Stands For cred.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 26, 2011 07:37 PM (vahvH)

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