Mitt Romney Chickens Out On Ohio Public Employee Union Ballot Question

We're going to nominate this guy? Really?

Behold this profile in cowardice.

Campaigning in Ohio today, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney stopped by a Republican Party phone-bank making calls in support of Gov. John Kasich's government union reform referendum, but refused to endorse the actual referendum. CNN's Peter Hamby called the scene an "incredible moment in politics."

Kasich already signed his government union reforms into law in March of this year, not long after Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker won his battle against government unions. But Democrats, with the help from the AFL-CIO, placed a referendum on next week's ballot Issue 2, that would repeal the new law. A vote for the referendum would keep the law, a vote against would repeal.


Romney's spokesperson says he thinks voters should decide the matter without outside interference.

Actually, it turns out, he explicitly supported the measure before he decided not to say anything about it.

Forget the flip flopping. This is just pathetic. if he doesn't think outsiders should get involved why go to the phone bank at all? Oh right, he wants people to think he supports it but wants to be able to say he didn't. That makes "leading from behind" seem downright courageous.

Is the GOP really going to nominate someone so cowardly he won't take a clear stand on one of the top issues of the day for conservative voters? Well, unless Perry can forcefully, articulately and effectively sell and defend his economic plan, it seems so.

One problem Mitt has is that some folks may vote for him in the general (if he gets there) because it's about Anyone But Obama. But the question has been, will people volunteer for him and do the other things that help put a candidate over the top. Why would Republicans in Ohio who are working their butts fighting the good fight here come out and work for a guy who won't support them?

(Note: Ace posted this for me but I had reworked some of the post after putting it in draft. I reposted it to reflect my final version)

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:26 PM



Comments

1 The long awaited post.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 03:27 PM (IfkGz)

2 So the previous thread wasn't contentious enough for you?

Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 25, 2011 03:29 PM (RD7QR)

3 I won't lift a finger for him. He'll have my vote, but that's it.

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:29 PM (wuv1c)

4 Is the GOP really going to nominate someone so cowardly he won't take a
clear stand on one of the top issues of the day for conservative voters?
Seemingly so. Mitt's mighty 25% primary support is going to carry the day.

We're boned.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 03:29 PM (IfkGz)

5 God damned Romney.

Posted by: Truman North at October 25, 2011 03:29 PM (G5JPI)

6 Heartless.

Posted by: Ricardo Peré at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (d3TgT)

7 Chickenshit, not cowardice.

Posted by: huerfano at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (fecOD)

8 Mitts an asshole I remember he didn't endorse Marco Rubio until he was up over Crist by 30+ points

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (6AXh/)

9 If the referendum was polling better I may have supported it.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (Sh42X)

10 What a shithead.
Sad to think that we can only put up clowns and fools against this empty suit.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (epBek)

11 Gots to take ovah the GOP, baby, if you want real hope and change.

Posted by: The Tea Party at October 25, 2011 03:30 PM (VKRmb)

12 3rd (4th?) look at... Perry?

The debates are killing him but I think he's pretty decent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 25, 2011 03:31 PM (UlUS4)

13 Heh heh heh. Karl Rove's mid control rays are working perfectly. I shall win the nomination, win the Presidency, and the rule the world!
Wait, did I just say that out loud? No, I don't think I did. To the sofamobile!

Posted by: Newt Gingrich, Bond Villain at October 25, 2011 03:31 PM (zgHLA)

14 25% support? among general voters maybe, among the base 5% support and the other 95% hate him.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:31 PM (YdQQY)

15 Meh.

Already hashed out in the prior thread(s).

Mitt's a bitch. This we knew. Kasich had his support in June. But when it matters most, he's nowhere to be found.

Well scratch that. He still came here today. He just said that while he wouldn't endorse our issues, he'd be supportive of the Republican party here.

Okay, Rombots -- please dissect that.

I've been staring at that quote now for two hours and I cannot understand what the hell he's even trying to say.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 25, 2011 03:31 PM (pLTLS)

16
Mitt is shit.
Now time to read the post.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka says anybody but Mutt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:32 PM (Xqsad)

17 What Mitt doesn't understand is that it's fun to poke at President Obama. It's tits. It's Lawlz. He ought to be focusing on real issues, like which Adobe program Barry's birth certificate was built in.

Posted by: Ricardo Peré at October 25, 2011 03:32 PM (d3TgT)

18 Mitt Romney is a spineless RINO. That term gets used a lot, but it really applies to him.

Still better than Obama. I have to keep telling myself that. It helps choke down the tears.

Posted by: shillelagh at October 25, 2011 03:32 PM (hRzu2)

19 This post may, or may not, infuriate me.

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Mormon at October 25, 2011 03:32 PM (Sh42X)

20 Mitt RINOmney is the Splunge candidate; he's for it and he's against it, and he's not being undecided.


(Splunge for me too)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (UlUS4)

21 I liked the Hotair poll. It asks if you'd vote for a Lawn Gnome over Obama.

Is there even any question?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (VKRmb)

22 Mitt Romney IS: The Revenge of McCain!!!! (Cue overbearing music)

Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (RD7QR)

23 So DrewM has officially declared he won't vote for the GOP nominee if it's Romney?

Did I understand that correctly?

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (Mh8D2)

24 One problem Mitt has is that some folks may vote for him in the general (if he gets there) because it's about Anyone But Obama.

A vote in the primary for Romney is a vote for Obama. there will be 4% or 5% of the base who sits it out if he gets it. if that happens in a swing State Obama wins.

When 95% of the base hates you you have to expect some people to sit it out.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (YdQQY)

25 Newt Gingrich, Bond Villain

Holy carp. I think his wife owns a white cat.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (bjRNS)

26 Mitt Romney is a spineless RINO. That term gets used a lot, but it really applies to him. Posted by: shillelagh at October 25, 2011 03:32 PM

In fairness to Mitt, a spine interferes with the flipping and teh flopping.

Posted by: huerfano at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (fecOD)

27 Mitt's so stupid he doesn't understand that he needs OH to win in the general. Pissing off your entire base here that desperately needs to keep this bill on the books is not the way to go.

Too bad he's not getting our money or our time.

Good luck, asshole.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (pLTLS)

28 I just don't get it. Really?
I mean, please tell me Mitt isn't hoping for an SEIU endorsement?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (OWjjx)

29 Will the middle vote for Mitt? or will he be so lukewarm even they spit him out of their mouths?

Posted by: Roy at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (VndSC)

30 This post I can agree with. Not a flaw in the logic.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (l8iDY)

31 Mitt can't take a stand on this issue. Its new for him and someone might hear it and have their opinion of him change. And he can't have that. His whole campaign is based on the idea of everyone thinking they know him and enough will support him so he can be McCain 2.0 and win because of open primaries.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (GULKT)

32 I wont vote for mitt. I live in PA. muhahaha

Posted by: Flapjackmaka says anybody but Mutt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (Xqsad)

33 Mitt Romney is a very clean and articulate Mormon.

Posted by: Harry Reid at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (hRzu2)

34 However, being in Deep Blue Boned California, I shall relish my vote NOT for Mitt.

Perhaps I shall write in "Lawn Gnome."

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (VKRmb)

35 So Mitt wants the photo-op but not the quote?

That's not gel in his hair, he exudes slimy politician.

Posted by: taylork at October 25, 2011 03:34 PM (5wsU9)

36 Ah, Drew edited the last bit of his post out. Just for the history books, this is what DrewM., who has officially gone traitor but now is pulling the Sullivanesque trick of trying to cloak it for as long as possible, wrote:

"Finally living in a deep blue state will have an advantage....I won't
have to vote for Romney like all you poor SOBs in places like Ohio and
Florida if he is the nominee."
Congrats, Drew: you're officially working for the enemy now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (Mh8D2)

37 1. Mitt is a spineless used car salesman.
2. Cain is an ignoramus.
3. Newt is as electable as a rabid great white shark.
4. Paul is incoherent AND crazy.
5. Yeah, guess I have to stick with Perry until I can't.
P.S.: Dear Paul Ryan--NOW.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (B+qrE)

38 So DrewM has officially declared he won't vote for the GOP nominee if it's Romney?Did I understand that correctly?
Did Drew type something in invisible ink? (Only partially snarky) Seriously, I'm not sure how you gotthat from what Drew wrote.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (VtjlW)

39 32
I wont vote for mitt. I live in PA. muhahaha

Hey, PA may be in play, my friend.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (VKRmb)

40 among the base 5% support and the other 95% hate him.

If that were so, I wouldn't be worried at all. I still want to believe that Perry has the easier path to the nomination, if he carries SC. After SC, it should be a two man race. Florida is looming large and Jeb still swings some opinion there. But if Perry wins both SC and Florida, the following Super Tuesday should make him the front runner.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (IfkGz)

41 Perhaps I shall write in "Lawn Gnome."

I'd vote for Zombie Ronald Reagan, but the local pols might turn that into a vote for Jr.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (bjRNS)

42 His whole campaign is based on the idea of everyone thinking they know
him and enough will support him so he can be McCain 2.0 and win because
of open winner take all primaries.

FTFY

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (YdQQY)

43 CNN screwed up Perry's mike. Fox's works.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (OhYCU)

44 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Mittens is a well-spoken clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (8y9MW)

45 So tell me Vic the all knowing, how is Romney going to win the nomination with 5% support. If you are right, you guys have nothing to worry about.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (IqM9e)

46 C'mon Romney campers, I really need an explanation on that statement.

Supporting the Party but not endorsing the Issue.

This Issue IS our Party.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (pLTLS)

47 Even just from a cynically political standpoint this makes no sense. Kasich is the top Republican in Ohio, a state Mitt will desperately need in the general. Why piss off somebody who can deliver votes? It's not good politics.

Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (RD7QR)

48
What makes no sense is that he has nothing to lose in supporting Kasich.
We're not going to win the public sector union vote in 2012. Especially after what has been going on since Scott Walker's fight in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (wuv1c)

49 If that were so, I wouldn't be worried at all.

Look at the support he gets here and at HA. That reflects what the conservative base thinks.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (YdQQY)

50 "Tell my wife, 'Hello'"

Posted by: Mitt Romney of the Neutral Planet at the DOOP at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (GULKT)

51
Why is everyone yelling?!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (QMtmy)

52 Just for the history books, this is what DrewM., who has officially gone traitor
A. Thank you for the clarification.
B. I'm glad to see that we've decided to start with the circular firing squad. No, seriously, I've got A List and am In A Mood so why not.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (VtjlW)

53 Romney is the kind of politician that really sucks. Just will flow with the tides of where it thinks it'll do him the best. He does NOT WANT what's best for the Country....Only for his own ass.

F you, Mr. Romney. I will NOT be voting for you in the primary.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (UK9cE)

54 Good time for Perry to make a trip to Ohio to support Kasich and blast RINOmney.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 25, 2011 03:37 PM (UlUS4)

55 More Romney derangement syndrome from people who didn't even bother to watch the video.

At the phone bank:

“I’m supportive of the Republican Party’s effort here.”

“I certainly support the efforts of the governor to rein in the the scale of government.” - Romney


Seems like AOSHQ is doing its best redstate impression of going full jackass for Perry.

Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (I+xVl)

56 "But the question has been, will people volunteer for him and do the other things that help put a candidate over the top"

We have to. He is ABO. But the fight is not over after he wins--we will have to hold his feet to the fire as if he were McCain or Obama.

There is no way we can relax and claim victory next November. Sorry.

Gird your loins. Socialism delenda est.

Posted by: PJ at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (DQHjw)

57 Congrats, Drew: you're officially working for the enemy now.

As someone living in this state where this law is about to be repealed, let me fill you in on something... Romney IS the enemy right now.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (pLTLS)

58 Lawn gnomes support Mitt Romney as the bestest candidate ever! A vote for a lawn gnome is a vote for Mitt!

Posted by: Mitt Romney wearing a lawn gnome costume at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (ggRof)

59 Leave Mitt alone. The focus group results haven't come in yet, and who could possibly decide where they stand on an issue without focus groups and opinion polls telling them what to think?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (SY2Kh)

60 47 ...It's not
good politics

That's our Mitt. Desperate not to offend any potential voter.

"If I don't stand for anything, who could be against me?"

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (VKRmb)

61 B. I'm glad to see that we've decided to start with the circular firing
squad. No, seriously, I've got A List and am In A Mood so why not.

Aaaaand I'm back to thinking that Romney leads to Third Party.

I hate you guys.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (bjRNS)

62 He wins the same way asshole McCain won. He gets support from a few "moderates and women". The rest of the primary vote is split between half a dozen other people that should have dropped out months before and the rules allow him to take all the delegates with less than a majority of the vote.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (YdQQY)

63 no I think Drew was saying his votes wasted anyway being in CA

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (6AXh/)

64 Well JeffB. my days of taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (l8iDY)

65 When danger reared it's ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled. Brave, brave, brave Sir Romney!

Posted by: Aurthurian Minstrel at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (ZDP2l)

66 A vote in the primary for Romney is a vote for Obama. there will be 4% or 5% of the base who sits it out if he gets it.


So Vic, what are you going to be doing on November 6?

I mean, I'm assuming you are; you've always had the "fuck you I'll stay home" impulse, you've just been looking for a way to rationalize it.

But people who actually take the trouble to campaign and vote for Republican candidates are RINOs, of course.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (d3TgT)

67 I won't lift a finger for him. He'll have my vote, but that's it.

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:29 PM (wuv1c)
Exactly; I'll hold my fucking nose and vote for him against El JEFe, just like McShitstain, but not a goddamn thing more. The simple asshole could've built up a tiny bit of cred by supporting Kasich on this but as usual he can't get the fucking corn sombrero off.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (G6SvX)

68 A vote in the primary for Romney is a vote for Obama. there will be 4% or 5% of the base who sits it out if he gets it. if that happens in a swing State Obama wins.
I don't make my decisions based on assuming that 4 - 5 % of the base are emotional crybabies who don't have two brain cells to rub together.
Neither do I respond to feeble threats.
I'm not voting for Romney in the primaries because he sucks. But same goes for your candidate.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (epBek)

69 45So tell me Vic the all knowing, how is Romney going to win the nomination with 5% support. If you are right, you guys have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 25, 2011 03:36 PM (IqM9e) Romney will win the MI primary...Dad's coat tails and all

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (FIDMq)

70 We're going to nominate this guy? Really?


No, but some Republicans and Democrats voting in a few state primaries with outsized significance may.


A Romney GOP candidacy = Obama wins. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (r4wIV)

71
Mitt McRomney made a big mistake in Ohio, and his self-serve dealing could be his undoing. Flip-flopping is not a desirable trait in anyone, let alone a man seeking the presidency. Well, just fuck him.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (Lt/Za)

72 The winter at Valley Forge was for this?

Posted by: Zombie Revolutionary War Soldiers at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (PReJ3)

73 Remember when I said I might be able to get behind him if I could figure out where in the hell he was standing? QED.

Remember when I said I was uncertain he had the backbone to do what is necessary?

He's electable, great. Elections are a means to an end not an end themselves. They only provide that means if the successful candidate is willing to follow through on principal.

Way to follow through Mittens.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (0q2P7)

74 20
Mitt RINOmney is the Splunge candidate; he's for it and he's against it, and he's not being undecided.



(Splunge for me too)
Romney's candidacy isn't dead, it's pining for the fjords.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (VZ10+)

75

No Garden Gnome ever screwed up my retirement plans like the SCoaMF.

ABO, including Garden Gnomes and Cornbrero.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (IfkGz)

76 Seems like AOSHQ is doing its best redstate impression of going full jackass for Perry.

No, it seems like Mitt is speaking weaselese.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (SY2Kh)

77 Winning,
thanks for the clarification, such as it is. FYI, AOSHQ has pulled away from the sickening Perry love lately now that's he polling 5th or so. Its become a lot more bearable.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (epBek)

78 Some fucking of the chicken after the election is expected. Only the most retarded of our so called betters have hot monkey sex with the chicken before the election. Romney just raped the chicken before the primary.

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (SDkq3)

79 Supporting the Party but not endorsing the Issue. What is the moral equivalent of I support the troops but not the war?
I'll take Political Talking Points for 400, Alex.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life, AOSHQ Jeopardy Champion at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (OWjjx)

80 Aaaaand I'm back to thinking that Romney leads to Third Party.

I hate you guys.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 03:39 PM (bjRNS)

I'd go 3rd party over Mittens. I think in that case when history called we trotted out pure failure as our standard barer we deserve to lose at that point.

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (6AXh/)

81 Thereports of Perry's demise are greatly exagerated...by about 15 million dollars.

Posted by: Max Power at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (q177U)

82 will people volunteer for him

Well, no. It wouldn't be fair for outside people to influence voters.

Posted by: t-bird at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (FcR7P)

83 PRESENT!

Posted by: Mittens who at least doesn't stutter at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (0q2P7)

84
It's really so simple, we're looking for a candidate with balls and not afraid of using them. Romney has failed the ball test.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (Lt/Za)

85 C'mon Romney campers, I really need an explanation on that statement. Supporting the Party but not endorsing the Issue. This Issue IS our Party.

I'll take a stab at it. I was furious when Romney went awol on the debt ceiling. IMO, he has decided that at best, he'll get a grudging conservative vote but nothing else. Therefore, he is appealing to moderate Republicans and independents who want to vote for him to atone for their votes in '08, without, of course, having to admit they were fools for it. This is all just speculation, of course.

An aside; can we drop the Romneybot nonsense from the conversation. It demeans it and us.

Posted by: pep at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (YXmuI)

86 “I’m supportive of the Republican Party’s effort here.” “I certainly support the efforts of the governor to rein in the the scale of government.” - Romney "...BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO GO ON RECORD OPPOSING THE CYNICAL LEFTY BUDGET-WRECKING REFERENDUM, NO, I'LL PASS."
No, Romney apologists, I'm not going to spend another general election cycle waiting for the nominee to be a Republican in public.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (B+qrE)

87 I liked the Hotair poll. It asks if you'd vote for a Lawn Gnome over Obama.Is there even any question?
Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (VKRmb)

I'd vote for an envelope !

Posted by: RUReadingthis at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (V92KK)

88 Seems like AOSHQ is doing its best redstate impression of going full jackass for Perry.

Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (I+xVl)


Wrong.

AoS has been PLENTY hard on Perry as well, and Cain, not to mention Bachmann........Newt........everyone, really.

Don't pick and choose what you want to read, then bitch about what you didn't.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (UK9cE)

89
So Cain is on record supporting it?
Perry came out and supported it?
How about Michelle? Or Ron Paul? Or Newt? Did Newt travel to Ohio today? Did he stand in the campaign headquarters and announce that everything said in a bill he didn't write is exactly what he supports?
No.
Only Romney is criticized.
Why, is there a double standard for Romney?
Why can't Romney remain silent, he may not like everything in the bill and doesn't want to point to the things he doesn't like.
Why would you force him to prove he is willing to back everything every conservative ever supports.
He did that once. He tried using conservative ideas... in Romneycare.
You know what that got him? A knife stabbed straight in his back and then twisted nearly everyday of this campaign.
If conservatives want other conservatives to support their ideas they have to stand by their ideas even when they are unpopular.
Mitt is smart not to trust conservatives, they carry knives. And they are traitors.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (hgrmi)

90 Why piss off somebody who can deliver votes

Because if he wins the Primary, is Kasich really going to campaign against him in the general?

Understand this: Romney knows (as was pointed out by others yesterday) that during the Primary is when he has to run to the right. This means we're seeing Mitt Romney as Conservative as he will ever be.

Let that sit and marinate for a minute, huh?

If Mitt Romney wins the nomination, he will run back to the left in the General- and Kasich will grin like he loves it, because he won't (functionally) have another choice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (8y9MW)

91 "Congrats, Drew: you're officially working for the enemy now. "


Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (Mh8D2)
What the fuck are you talking about?
So DrewM's dislike of Romney means that he is working for the enemy?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (UYLrj)

92 It's cowardly.Maybethere is something to be said about not giving the enemy (Obama)any ammunition or sound bites. Still, this is a fairly safe bet. Unions are despised by just about everyone outside of unions. Unions = pure graft and corrutpion and everyone knows it.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (O7ksG)

93 We need someone who votes present on every major issue

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (wuv1c)

94 I don't make my decisions based on assuming that 4 - 5 % of the base are
emotional crybabies who don't have two brain cells to rub together.

Just remember a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. If you don't think a lot of people will sit at home if Romney gets it you are living in a dream world.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (YdQQY)

95 Reading what all has happened here--thanks for making me take a second look, Winning--it really sounds like Romney has decided that his brand name is toxic and would damage the initiative.
Wierd.
I mean, I agree that his brand is pretty bad, I just wouldn't expect him to agree.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 25, 2011 03:44 PM (epBek)

96 I hear they plan to name the next new species of Jellyfish after Romney.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2011 03:44 PM (GULKT)

97 Romney just raped the chicken before the primary.
Posted by: Bob Saget at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (SDkq3)
True, but I was responsible and wore a condom. Also, I will raise taxes so we can afford more police to prevent such rapes in the future, as recommended by my wise friend, Vice President Biden.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:44 PM (ggRof)

98 Hey, PA may be in play, my friend.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:35 PM (VKRmb) My friends, as John McCain would say, I dont give a shit.My RINO parents are not even voting for him cause he is such a slimeball. We'll vote downticket though. I'll write in Scrooge McDuck for president.Btw, what is the over/under for ohio ballot initiative.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka says anybody but Mutt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:44 PM (Xqsad)

99 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (Mh8D2)

Yeah, that was in my original post but I took it out after thinking it over. Based on the way the software works, Ace wound up publishing the original version.

But honestly, at this point, no I won't vote for Romney.

I'll vote Libertarian or something but only because I live in NY state and Obama is going to win by 20 no matter what.

If I lived in a swing state, I'd vote for Romney.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (ehlWj)

100 Seems like AOSHQ is doing its best redstate impression of going full jackass for Perry.

Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (I+xVl)

Face it, Mittens is about as appetizing as boiled cube steak.

Posted by: Mittens who at least doesn't stutter at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (0q2P7)

101
Fly, my pretties!

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (sqkOB)

102 Yeah the HQ has been pretty rough on any candidate socially to the right of Giuliani.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (r4wIV)

103 He's not as crazy as this.

http://tinyurl.com/3mc5b4m

Un fucking believable!


Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (hXJOG)

104 Vic,
and if you think I give a damn about your silly threats and prognostications, you're living in a dream world.
Romney has enough stuff to attack him about without destructive posturing.
Reading your comments has given me my first impulse to vote for Romney I've had in years. Luckily, I control my emotions, not vice versa, unlike some people.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (epBek)

105 Any comment about Winnings post at #55?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (IqM9e)

106 So DrewM has officially declared he won't vote for the GOP nominee if it's Romney?Did I understand that correctly?
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (Mh8D2)
This is a high stakes game of chicken with the establishment. The only way to win it is the nuclear option.

Posted by: Max Power at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (q177U)

107 Leave it to the Mittster to make Obamabi look downright Presidential..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (f9c2L)

108 Congrats, Drew: you're officially working for the enemy now.

The DC party establishment is the enemy. If we have to destroy the GOP half of it first by cutting Romney's legs out from under him, so be it. I'd prefer the nominee was someone supportable, though.

In any case, I wouldn't let dhimmi JeffB intimidate you, Drew.

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (sOXQX)

109 "I'd go 3rd party over Mittens."

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM (6AXh/)
And if enough people are as politically ignorant and naive as you are, they will doom America to another Obama term, and with it the probable demise of the greatest country in the history of the world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (UYLrj)

110 Look, in the general I'm voting for the Not Obama, no matter what.
But this is why people don't like Romney -- he's a politician who happens to be kind of conservative on some stuff, NOT a conservative who's gone into politics.

Posted by: Biblio at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (y5VNb)

111
>>>So DrewM's dislike of Romney means that he is working for the enemy?

It's best to ignore JeffB. He exists on a higher plan than the rest of us mere mortals.
He lives in a world in which the Radiohead albums after KidA are considered good and not the ear and brain raping collection of awful sounds, instruments and lyrics that they are in reality.
It's a lovely place, it is.

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (wuv1c)

112 Damnable sock.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (0q2P7)

113 Hey... just make sure you and all your friends make the primary season all about "Anybody But Romney." Get out and vote. You 'rons 'ronettes in Iowa and New Hampshire have an extra responsibility to get out and do your part.
Just as anybody running is better than Obama, any of the other 7 or 8 are better than Romney.

Posted by: SamInVA at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (rFiOs)

114 Some fucking of the chicken after the election is expected. Only the
most retarded of our so called betters have hot monkey sex with the
chicken before the election. Romney just raped the chicken before the
primary.

If Congress would've just passed our jobs bill, Mitt wouldn't have had the chance to rape the chicken.

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (lWdDG)

115 My underwear is a little tight, but I have a hot wife.

Or is she not hot?

Will poll in morning, get back with you.

Posted by: Mitt at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (hXJOG)

116
Mitt is smart not to trust conservatives, they carry knives. And they are traitors.Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (hgrmi)
Call the waaaaaahhhhhmbulance, most of us dont like the living, breathing caricature of a politician.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka says anybody but Mutt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (Xqsad)

117 Anyone not licking the brilliant, wonderful Jeff B.'s scrotum is working for the enemy. You don't want to be the enemy of someone who is so much better than you, such as Jeff B.,do you?

Posted by: Jeff B.'s Catamite at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (ggRof)

118 Yes, of course "we"(and by "we" I don't mean the unwashed masses paying our political consulting fees in donations) are gonna nominate this guy, Romney, and you out in the base are just gonna have to suck it up. Anyway, haven't you Morons, most of you, openly stated you WILL SUCK any s@#t we feed you in the general? So just shut the @#$% up already and bend over.

Posted by: K. Rove at October 25, 2011 03:47 PM (nDpVI)

119 PRIMARY OBAMA!!!!
Draft Breitbart for the Democratic nomination. Wouldn't you love to see Obama/Breitbart debate? Or Obama/Alfonzo Rachel? I'd donate time and money to get either of those guys on the ballot with a (D) and a conservative/libertarian patriotic platform.
Oh yeah, and Obama is a SCOAMF!

Posted by: Robert The Deuce at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (kwAf2)

120 Reading your comments has given me my first impulse to vote for Romney I've had in years.
Maybe that was his plan. You know that whole double ju-jujitsu mind reverse.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (sbV1u)

121 Why, is there a double standard for Romney?

Because Romney was "for it before [he] was against it." (Remember that quote? Also from someone from MA?)

The others, as far as I know, hadn't committed to supporting it specifically. Romney had.

He tried using conservative ideas... in Romneycare.

BWAAAAAAA-hahahahahah. Right. Conservative ideas. In RomneyCare.
You're killin' me here.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (8y9MW)

122 I don't make my decisions based on assuming that 4 - 5 % of the base are
emotional crybabies who don't have two brain cells to rub together.

And that's really all there is to it.

Someone who has to depend on threats to get his candidate over the line is someone backing a loser.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (d3TgT)

123 Romney makes McCain look good.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (QKKT0)

124 Why can't Romney remain silent

Because the point of him coming here was to support it. He was in the call-center where they were making the calls. He claims that he wasn't knowledgeable on the ballot issues and this is why he wouldn't support yet. Of course he's full of shit on that point because he lent his support on the issue back in June.

So take your pick - he's lying or he's lying.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (pLTLS)

125 and if you think I give a damn about your silly threats and prognostications, you're living in a dream world.

What frakin threats??? Do you understand English?

Here's what,vote for that Democrat fuckhead with an R after his name and kiss my ass. While you are at it, determine if you are a Republican or not.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (YdQQY)

126
Tell me the names of all the candidates who endorsed this bill?
Maybe they did? I dont' know. What I do know is that Mitt Romney showed up on election day and stated his support for the anti-Obamacare legislation.
Since when has Romney decided to fight labor? He has not picked that fight yet. And it is wise for him not to at this point.
Did the other's come out and support the bill?
You can't say Romney is a coward if the others didn't back it either.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (hgrmi)

127 Why, is there a double standard for Romney?

One for each side of his mouth.

Posted by: t-bird at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (FcR7P)

128 And if enough people are as politically ignorant and naive as you are, they will doom America to another Obama term, and with it the probable demise of the greatest country in the history of the world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (UYLrj)

you think Romney would roll back one ounce of what Obama has done to the government? who's ignorant?

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (6AXh/)

129 Well, no one said Mittens wasn't chickenshit...

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (Iaxlk)

130 and with it the probable demise of the greatest country in the history of the world.

I think that demise remains probable regardless of whether we have a gridlocked Obama or a spineless Mittens in office. Mittens should be convincing me he has spine, not making arguments for the 'why bother?' crowd, by not bothering to stiffen up on big issues.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (0q2P7)

131 94I don't make my decisions based on assuming that 4 - 5 % of the base are emotional crybabies who don't have two brain cells to rub together.

Just remember a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. If you don't think a lot of people will sit at home if Romney gets it you are living in a dream world.
Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (YdQQY) right on brother Vic

Posted by: shoey at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (m6OUa)

132 Arguing with Mittbots is like trying to convince somebody that the thing that is quacking is a duck, not the Messiah.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (FkKjr)

133 "We're going to nominate this guy? Really?"

It's His Turn.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (Iaxlk)

134 74 20 Mitt RINOmney is the Splunge candidate; he's for it and he's against it, and he's not being undecided.

(Splunge for me too)

Romney's candidacy isn't dead, it's pining for the fjords.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 03:41 PM


Good! Now we're getting somewhere!

Mitt Romney/Irving C. Salzberg '12

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (UlUS4)

135 Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (hgrmi)

Let's see...none of those candidates showed up at a call center working on that issue did they?

Also, which of the other candidates absolutely flipped on this today?

Face it...Mitt is unreliable, unprincipled and not a conservative. Other than that, he's awesome!

Posted by: DrewM. at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (ehlWj)

136 "Just remember a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama."


Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (YdQQY)
Is everybody drinking this afternoon?Vic, that means nothing. Romney is nowhere near as anti-American, nowhere near as destructive to the economy, and nowhere near as pandering to our enemies.
You might hate his politics (I do too), but suggesting that he is just like Obama is irrational.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (UYLrj)

137 Only Romney is criticized.
Why, is there a double standard for Romney?
Follow me here, I'll go slow:
Because. He. Was. Asked.
No one else in the field would have equivocated like this...apart from Cain, who would have to havea classified briefing before taking a position.
And please do not equate "stuff a policy wonk came up with over five maybe six cocktails at the Heritage Foundation two decades ago" with "conservative principles" on health care.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (B+qrE)

138 Vic's still waiting for an excuse to fire on Fort Sumter again.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (d3TgT)

139 Perry sounded pretty good in his presser. He didn't fall asleep.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (OhYCU)

140 Anyone But Obama. But the question has been, will people volunteer for
him and do the other things that help put a candidate over the top.
It is more then that even actually.

There is no point in electing a Republican president if he'd won't aggressively try and roll back government, at least for God's sake, to Bush 43 levels.

I fear Romney will accept the status quo and just manage the Obamaconomy competently, which is the worst of all possible outcomes.

Win or lose, I expect Perry, Cain, or Bachmann would at least try and roll back the size and scope of government...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (7BU4a)

141 *wanders into thread to say*
All our presidential candidates are shitty in one way or another.
One sat on a couch with Nancy Pelosi to shill for AGW, and has had more wives than Achmed the Polygamist Jihadi.
One can't debate his way out of a paper bag and is seen as a "squish" on illegal immigration.
One signed Obamacare 1.0 into law, and will say anything he thinks will get him elected.
One is a crazy old troll.
One has no political history whatsoever.
The others have next to no support for all the usual reasons (polarizing issues, lack of name recognition, blah, blah, blah)
There's not a one of the candidates listed above who I feelis the best fit for President in these crisis-laden times. But none of them - NONE - is as bad as Obama. Obama IS the crisis.
We need to boost conservative candidates in our House and Senate campaigns. That's where the power of the purse strings and the legislative agenda has the most clout.Make the Congress conservative and even RINO Romney can only do so much. Let him try to veto a bill passed through two solid conservative houses of Congress, and listen to the howls for another contender to primary his ass in 2016. Romney is a political weathervane. If he sees a Tea Party heavy Congress, he's going to know which way the wind blows. Point him in the conservative direction and don't let up.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (4df7R)

142 Someone who has to depend on threats to get his candidate over the line is someone backing a loser.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:48 PM (d3TgT)
I'll remember that the next time I hear, "VOTE FOR MITT OR WE WILL BE DESTROYED!" from JeffB.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (FkKjr)

143 Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:49 PM (6AXh/)

Learn some history and understand hat a third party challenge will do to the Republican nominee, and then get back to me.

Oh, and work on your reading comprehension too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (UYLrj)

144 demise remains probable regardless of whether we have a gridlocked Obama or a spineless Mittens in office.

And yet again, if he is so spineless, and the political zeitgeist is clearly blowing in our direction, and if we control both houses of Congress, then his spinelessness works to our advantage.

Posted by: pep at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (YXmuI)

145 Mitt Clinton strikes again.

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (4CSeG)

146 At least Mitt Romney will nominate conservative judges to the Supreme Court, right?

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (wuv1c)

147 There is nothing wrong with Romney. I like him and his broad stance on the joining of opposable parts in (un)holy matrimony, on RomneyCare, on Illegal Alien Care under RomneyCare, on Pro-life(in the last ten minute, anyway).

Posted by: Ann C. at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (nDpVI)

148 “Gov. Romney believes that the citizens of states should be able to make decisions about important matters of policy that affect their states on their own.”
Romney Spokesperson, October 25, 2011, when asked why Governor Romney did not specifically endorse Gov. John Kasich's government union reform referendum.

Posted by: Romneybot #9855, oh, this one wasn't for public consumption? at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (OWjjx)

149 103 He's not as crazy as this.

http://tinyurl.com/3mc5b4m

Un fucking believable!


Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 03:45 PM (hXJOG)


And ALGore invented teh intratubes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (UlUS4)

150 Since when has Romney decided to fight labor? He has not picked that fight yet. And it is wise for him not to at this point.
You cannot possible be serious.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (B+qrE)

151 I'm support the idea of Union but I can't say the South was wrong in deciding to leave.

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Human Weathervane at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (QKKT0)

152 I think it is time to declare, AoSHQ Perry territory.

We need to chose up and start the fight, Mitt has got to go.
Just saying, times a wasting.

I'll give Perry another 4 weeks, if he can't get his shit together then I will have to figure out how we can get Newt elected.

That will be hard.



Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (hXJOG)

153 You might hate his politics (I do too), but suggesting that he is just like Obama is irrational.

That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if Romney gets the nod through another one of these "plurality" wins like McCain a percentage of the base will sit it out, just like they did with McCain.

That will make close swing States like VA go blue for Obama. If that happens Obama wins again. QED, a vote for Romney in the Primary is a vote for Obama in the general.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:53 PM (YdQQY)

154 At least Mitt Romney will nominate conservative judges to the Supreme Court, right?
He's far more likely to do so than Obama.
With any luck we'd get a reverse Kennedy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 03:53 PM (sbV1u)

155 Any comment about Winnings post at #55?

Yeah. I'm voting for Perry.

But if Perry doesn't make it to California, I'm voting for Newt. Or Cain.

Or freakin' Ron Paul!

But not Romney.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 03:53 PM (bjRNS)

156 To take a cowardly pass and try to avoid pressure with the pretense of a principled outsider speaks volumes about Mitt's conservative credentials.

That is, if it were possible to speak volumes about that which doesn't exist.
But then again he's a believer in AGW.


Posted by: ontherocks at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (HBqDo)

157 wow the romenybots have no response for this one, ugh, if Romney is the nom the possibility of a 3rd party clown or bad GOP turnout is very real

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (yAor6)

158 Face it Mittens lovers. When your candidate is too squishy for Drew...

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (0q2P7)

159
Remember in PINK PANTHER when Clouseau would come home and his little yellow friend house boy, Cato, would come out of hiding and attack the Inspector?

They'd beat the shit out of each other.

Every day.

See where I'm going with this?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (sqkOB)

160 There is nothing wrong with Romney. I like him and his broad stance on
the joining of opposable parts in (un)holy matrimony, on RomneyCare, on
Illegal Alien Care under RomneyCare, on Pro-life(in the last ten minute,
anyway).
Look bitch, I own the Broad Stance vote.

Posted by: Sen. Larry Craig (D) Brokeback Idaho at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (QKKT0)

161 I may, or may not, support the gist of this thread

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (wuv1c)

162 The whiteboard says Romney is playing smart politics here. And it's true that he's avoiding unnecessarily fiery rhetoric at just the right time. This savvy positioning is just what primary voters are looking for. They don't really want the truth, just the appearance of it. Sorry if you don't like the whiteboard, but we're just giving the facts and unbiased analysis.

Posted by: Karl Rove at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (REXkU)

163 So take your pick - he's lying or he's lying.


Posted by: laceyunderalls
..........
Naaah.. I say he's just lying.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (f9c2L)

164 Awww. I see. It's gonna be one of those days. One of those where raw meat is thrown to hungry lions.
I'm gonna sit back and watch.

Posted by: Clueless at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (LyOUH)

165 wow the romenybots have no response for this one,
ugh, if Romney is the nom the possibility of a 3rd party clown or bad
GOP turnout is very real

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who
Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 03:54 PM (yAor6)
The response is the same as always - screaming we have to support Mitt and these issues are a distraction.Also, 75% of the GOP is delusional.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (FkKjr)

166 Prediction: Florida decides this thing.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 03:56 PM (IfkGz)

167 #146 I don't know maybe you should ask Judge Bork what he thinks.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 25, 2011 03:56 PM (IqM9e)

168
I'll give money and support to the gaffematic, the heartless guy, the former senator,and I can't believe I am saying this, the newtered sofa guy.

I will not give money nor support to the spineless ne republican, the tardisil chick, the anti-semite, the new mexico stoner or thechinese mormon.

I will vote for the last group but only because Barky is a SCOAMF

Posted by: Heartless Nora who doesn't think giving illegals in-state tuition breaks is cool at October 25, 2011 03:56 PM (VxqUc)

169 wow the romenybots have no response for this one, ugh, if Romney is the nom the possibility of a 3rd party clown or bad GOP turnout is very real
I'm not sure I am buying this. Why Romney may not be your cup of tea if he is the nominee, he will at least have several months to remind us of one thing....he is not Barack Obama.
Which, looking at the current approve/disapprove and does Obama deserve re-election, may just be enough.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 03:56 PM (OWjjx)

170 if Romney gets the nod through another one of these "plurality" wins
like McCain a percentage of the base will sit it out, just like they did
with McCain.

Probably, and a percentage of the independents and conservative Dems (yes, there are still some) will come over to vote for him because he isn't as scary to them as a Perry. This all boils down to which group you think will be larger.

Posted by: pep at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (YXmuI)

171
I wouldn't vote third party if Mitt's the nominee, but I think a Mitt nomination increases the likelihood Ron Paul runs in the generals as a Libertarian, Constitutionalist or Independent.
Keep in mind that Ron Paul is retiring after this, so why not go all in?

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (wuv1c)

172 I think the only cure for the antiromneyrobotcluelesspoliticalboobswhenitcomestowinningthewhitehouse types is more sweet, sweet Ross Perot.

Posted by: Butwhatdoiknow at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (BvTwT)

173 You might hate his politics (I do too), but suggesting that he is just like Obama is irrational.
I dont think Vic is saying that but he does seem to root on a GOP loss if Romney is the nom to get his point that he'd lose the south which I have yet to see evidence of even in a loss

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (yAor6)

174 Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:53 PM (YdQQY)

I think that the tone among the base is radically different than in 2008.

I have never met a Republican or conservative outside of this blog who has expressed anything other than "I will crawl through broken glass to vote against Obama (pbuh)."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (UYLrj)

175 #55 - Exactly. Romney has flaws but the use of partial qoutes, qoutes taken out of context, etc by the anti-Romney crowd is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: nobama12 at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (ykY2u)

176 Awww. I see. It's gonna be one of those days. One of those where raw meat is thrown to hungry lions.
I'm gonna sit back and watch.
Posted by: Clueless at October 25, 2011 03:55 PM (LyOUH)
You think there is a fence around the lions, bitch?

Posted by: Hungry Lion what wants MOAR! at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (q177U)

177 121Why, is there a double standard for Romney?

Because Romney was "for it before [he] was against it." (Remember that quote? Also from someone from MA?)

The others, as far as I know, hadn't committed to supporting it specifically. Romney had.

He tried using conservative ideas... in Romneycare.

BWAAAAAAA-hahahahahah. Right. Conservative ideas. In RomneyCare.
You're killin' me here.
===========================Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the origins of the mandate in Romneycare, I wouldn't be surprised since the establishment has done everything it could to make Romney a scapegoat for their own ideas.But here, in the Las Vegas debate is Newt admitting that it was his idea, along with what John Sununu called the "gold standard of conservative thought" the Heritage Foundation:MR. ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.MR. GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.MR. ROMNEY: Well, it was something - yeah, we got it from you and the - you - got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.MR. GINGRICH: No, but - well, you - well, you - (inaudible) -MR. ROMNEY: But let me - but let me just -MR. GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true.MR. ROMNEY: Well, I thought -MR. GINGRICH: You did not get that from me.MR. ROMNEY: I think you -MR. GINGRICH: You got it from the Heritage Foundation.MR. ROMNEY: And - and you've never - never supported -MR. GINGRICH: I was - I agree with them, but I'm just saying what you've said to this audience just now plain wasn't true. That's not where you got it from.MR. ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask - have you - have you supported in the past an individual mandate?MR. GINGRICH: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against "Hillarycare."MR. ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?MR. GINGRICH: Yes, sir.MR. ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.MR. GINGRICH: OK. Little broader. (Laughter.)MR. ROMNEY: OK.Romney knows that conservatives can't be trusted. I know and Romney knows that supporting something that turns out unpopular will get you a knife straight in the back.Don't fault Romney for distancing himself from the traitors who have betrayed him.Romney fights for real conservative issues and he fights alone.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (hgrmi)

178 See where I'm going with this?


Posted by: Soothsayer
..........
You're saying Vic is Cato?

Who's Clousea? Ace? All of us?

Did I really need to analyze the bejeeezus out of that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (f9c2L)

179 72
The winter at Valley Forge was for this?

Posted by: Zombie Revolutionary War Soldiers at October 25, 2011 03:40 PM (PReJ3)

WOW that was REALLY GOOD and to the point!
Winner!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (hXJOG)

180 and if we control both houses of Congress, then his spinelessness works to our advantage.

Oh, I forgot, Boehner and McConnell are hard charging political juggernauts who will put it all on the line for conservative principals. Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (0q2P7)

181
"“Gov. Romney believes that the citizens of states should be able to make decisions about important matters of policy that affect their states on their own.”"

unless the state votes for tuition to illegals, not healtchcare like he did, but whatever

Posted by: Heartless Nora who doesn't think giving illegals in-state tuition breaks is cool at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (VxqUc)

182 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (4df7R)

No no no, you've got it all wrong. What we NEED to do is whip ourselves into such an emotional frenzy of hatred over the guy who as of right now is the odds-on favorite to win the nomination that we're too angry and demoralized to support him in the general election. Then we can all sit home next November and congratulate ourselves for not casting a vote for Obama by casting a vote for the Republican nominee. Then Obama can get another four years to finish off the country, ruin our kids' and grandkids' futures, and then we can sit them down over a pot of their gruel ration 50 years from now and explain to them why all of this was good for them.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (d3TgT)

183 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (UYLrj)

Yeah i know a 3rd party is a born loser, in my life the GOP have given me the joy of having to vote for Dole, GWB, and McCain. They trot out Romney i'm done with them we're full on boned anyway. At that point lets hope the union dissolves sooner as opposed to later so those of us in the south can keep our liberty, economy and guns while the northeast and left coast go to hell.

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (6AXh/)

184 ugh, if Romney is the nom the possibility of a 3rd party clown or bad GOP turnout is very real
Low GOP turnout, yes. Third party, no.
Go take a look at the current fund raising totals. If you go thrid party you literally need $200M just to start because building 50 stae organizations is pricey. Ross Perot did it. Ross Perot also had $2.3 billion to throw at the problem.
There is no one in the GOP field who can credibly go the 3d party route and do it in time.
And that includes RAWN PAUL!!!!11!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (sbV1u)

185
You're all Clouseau.

And Cato.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (sqkOB)

186 The response is the same as always - screaming we have to support Mitt and these issues are a distraction.

Yes, you've nailed it. That is the sum total of what has been said.

Posted by: pep at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (YXmuI)

187 Prediction: Florida decides this thing.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011

Keep in mind that FL started the ball on this move the Primary game and now have their primary in front of the critical Mar 1 date. That means unless the RNC changes the rules, their primary goes to proportional delegates. Unless he gets 100% of the votes he will not get all their delegates.

If FL is wanting to push Romney they should have kept their primary after Mar 1.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (YdQQY)

188 It looks like MittShitt has locked up the independent voter.

Asshole.

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (jeLTI)

189 139 Perry sounded pretty good in his presser. He didn't fall asleep.
Posted by: Cherry pi at October 25, 2011 03:51 PM (OhYCU)

I don't know... seems kinda unfair to set the bar so high for him, Cherry pi.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (Iaxlk)

190
1. Mitt computer voice stop calling me!
2. Chris Christie computer voice stop calling me!

3. I saw an article on how the smelly hippies are going to change their "govt" from a direct democrac vote General Assembly to a representative one. hee hee. Soon they'll go thru monarchy, fascism, feudalism, marxism, communism, socialism, and by spring they should be right on up to the rest of us with a republican form of govt with a constitution that guarantees a "bill of rights".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (xOy1A)

191 Teh Fred could have made this all unnecessary if he had gone all in in 2008.

Posted by: MAJHAM at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (jSmSE)

192 136"Just remember a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama."
Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (YdQQY)
Is everybody drinking this afternoon?Vic, that means nothing. Romney is nowhere near as anti-American, nowhere near as destructive to the economy, and nowhere near as pandering to our enemies.
You might hate his politics (I do too), but suggesting that he is just like Obama is irrational.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (UYLrj) personally he's nothing like Obama, but in terms of policy he's Obama-lite, so what if he has only half the destructive power of the The One, he's still destructive.

Posted by: shoey at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (m6OUa)

193 But then again he's a believer in AGW.He also was as lukewarm as possible about the surge in Iraq back in 2007. Somewhat similar to what we see now on the Ohio referendum:
"I'm for Republican stuff unless this tree fully conceals me--then I'm against it."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (B+qrE)

194 That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if Romney gets
the nod through another one of these "plurality" wins like McCain a
percentage of the base will sit it out, just like they did with McCain.

Like it or not, this is true.

Remember 2010? We had all the enthusiasm. We were going to "take over" congress. We were going to "take back" our government. In what should have been a sea-change in Congress, we sent a large number of citizen-legislators to Congress.

They've been hamstrung- as we knew they would be.

Now, they need more support. They need Senators who will support them, they need more true Conservatives in the House to shore up their numbers, and they need a President who will take the case to the People about WHY the entitlement state has to be scaled back and, eventually, destroyed. They need someone who will have the guts to stare down the media, when beset with bad poll numbers, and say, "because it's the right thing to do."

If Mitt Romney gets the nomination, the vast majority of Republicans will feel betrayed (even if it's their own fault for not consolidating behind a single candidate). They'll feel sold out. And some of them will stay home in November. Will it be the 4 or 5% that Vic says? I don't know. But it will be some.

In close races, it will probably be enough to give those electoral votes to Barack Obama.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (8y9MW)

195 146
At least Mitt Romney will nominate conservative judges to the Supreme Court, right?

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (wuv1c)

If they wear that temple underwear and read through stones.
50-50 I wouldn't count on it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (hXJOG)

196 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 03:56 PM (OWjjx)
maybe it's too early for me to say such but w/ all the hate of Romney by the base and the fact he can't get past 25%-30% of the vote after campaigning since 06 worries me. I'll PROUDLY vote for Romney over Obama but a lot of dopes out there are threatning to sit out

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (yAor6)

197 Exactly. Romney has flaws but the use of partial qoutes, qoutes taken
out of context, etc by the anti-Romney crowd is getting ridiculous.
Yes, we must capture the full nuance, or the later statement that undoes the previous one.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (FkKjr)

198 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (d3TgT)
That's the most depressing, and accurate, thing I've read all day.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (sbV1u)

199 Mitt is upset that his planned photo op in Ohio didn't go as planned.

Mitt's supporters are upset that the other candidates, who were busy attending the Iowa Faith Freedom Coalition that Mitt skipped earlier this week and/or rolling out major tax reform plans, were not at the photo op to be peppered with questions that Mitt did not want to answer.

Got it.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (5H6zj)

200 This was a mistake by Romney, it just reenforces what a lot of conservatives think of him. It's a flip flop and cowardly at the same time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 25, 2011 04:00 PM (Sh42X)

201 Once a sleazebag Mitt, always a sleazebag.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:00 PM (iYbLN)

202 hear hear to 141. The presidency is the high profile contest, but look how much more important Paul Ryan is than SCOAMF when you come to nuts and bolts of government.

The presidency is not a figurehead position, but they are bound by the policy that comes from the legislature. With Bork influencing judicial nominations, I'm not too worried there.

The big problem will be if the electorate has a change of heart and gives Democrats another chance 6 years down the road in the house or senate. That would be the point where Romney's squishiness bites us in the ass. Before then, he'll govern like congress tells him to.

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at October 25, 2011 04:00 PM (mt3j2)

203 What's the difference between Mitt Romney's willingness to take a side on a political issue and Barack Obama's voting record in the Illinois and US Senate?

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:00 PM (wuv1c)

204 Cavuto to have Paul, Perry and Gingrich all on his show today.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 04:00 PM (xOy1A)

205 Maybe I will change my lineup. From now on, the Dread Cthulhu leads my ticket. What the hell, he has approximately as many skeletons in his closet as the rest of the candidates.

Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (RD7QR)

206 Romney has flaws but the use of partial qoutes, qoutes taken
out of context, etc by the anti-Romney crowd is getting ridiculous.


What exactly was taken out of context this time??

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (iYbLN)

207 >>>So DrewM's dislike of Romney means that he is working for the enemy?

No, his promise to vote Obama in November 2012 (or stay home, or sit out, or whatever) does. I expected such immature bullshit tantrum stuff from Ben, or rdbrewer -- those guys can barely rub two brain cells together. But not Drew.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (Mh8D2)

208
Ron Paul brings in 3M in 5 days.

-Cavuto, FBN

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (Lt/Za)

209 Has anyone mentioned that Mitt sux like a supermassive black hole?
Also, the guy (?) has no scrotum, or it he does, it floats around like a helium baloon when he takes his pants off.

Posted by: Snort! (tha wunder hawg) at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (OlN4e)

210 Probably, and a percentage of the independents and conservative Dems
(yes, there are still some) will come over to vote for him because he
isn't as scary to them as a Perry. This all boils down to which group
you think will be larger.

Not for GOP establishment shills like JeffB. This is about whether you want to maintain the voting coalition that got Republican Presidents in 5 of the last 8 national elections, or if you think the voting base of the party is too demanding and you want to invent a new base, stolen from the Dems.

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (sOXQX)

211 180and if we control both houses of Congress, then his spinelessness works to our advantage.

Oh, I forgot, Boehner and McConnell are hard charging political juggernauts who will put it all on the line for conservative principals. Thanks for reminding me.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (0q2P7) that's funny, because it's true.

Posted by: shoey at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (m6OUa)

212 If FL is wanting to push Romney they should have kept their primary after Mar 1.
Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (YdQQY)
current FL polling has Cain Romney pratically tied

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (yAor6)

213 Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (6AXh/)

You tried that 150 years ago, and look what it got you.

Hoping for the end of America is not a political belief -- it is a love of chaos and death and destruction. Don't be a dipshit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (UYLrj)

214 Posted by: nobama12 at October 25, 2011 03:57 PM (ykY2u)

Then why did his spokesperson say this when asked why he didn't back the measure today?

“Gov. Romney believes that the citizens of states should be able to make
decisions about important matters of policy that affect their states on
their own.”

You guys are spinning harder than Romney's own campaign.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (ehlWj)

215 Here is what worries me.

My son worked all summer two years ago for the state GOP as an intern.

He likes Mitt. I have a Perry sticker on the car, he will have none of it.

WTF?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (hXJOG)

216
To make this exchange... which should be enough to show you why Romney is very leary of supporting fellow conservatives... if you have seen the way they have stabbed him in the back...
I will make this more readable:MR. ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.MR. GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.MR. ROMNEY: Well, it was something - yeah, we got it from you and the - you - got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.MR. GINGRICH: No, but - well, you - well, you - (inaudible) -MR. ROMNEY: But let me - but let me just -MR. GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true.MR. ROMNEY: Well, I thought -MR. GINGRICH: You did not get that from me.MR. ROMNEY: I think you -MR. GINGRICH: You got it from the Heritage Foundation.MR. ROMNEY: And - and you've never - never supported -MR. GINGRICH: I was - I agree with them, but I'm just saying what you've said to this audience just now plain wasn't true. That's not where you got it from.MR. ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask - have you - have you supported in the past an individual mandate?MR. GINGRICH: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against "Hillarycare."MR. ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?MR. GINGRICH: Yes, sir.MR. ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.MR. GINGRICH: OK. Little broader. (Laughter.)MR. ROMNEY: OK.Okay. So Romney has good reasons not to go into the lion's den yet again.Romney would be a fool to trust these people.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (hgrmi)

217 What we NEED to do is whip ourselves into such an emotional frenzy of
hatred over the guy who as of right now is the odds-on favorite to win
the nomination that we're too angry and demoralized to support him in
the general election.
At some point you need to realize that when a large mass of people hate a candidate, the problem isn't with the people.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (FkKjr)

218 Dang it didnt' work.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (hgrmi)

219 That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if Romney gets
the nod through another one of these "plurality" wins like McCain a
percentage of the base will sit it out, just like they did with McCain.


My fear is no candidate has a majority going to convention, and there actually has to be multiple voting rounds. That is where things can get ugly and if Republicans aren't careful they could lose the base.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (0q2P7)

220 180
Oh,
I forgot, Boehner and McConnell are hard charging political juggernauts
who will put it all on the line for conservative principals. Thanks for
reminding me.

If you elect enough conservative backbenchers, it won't really matter if McConnell wants to reach across the aisle.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (d6QMz)

221 If I answer a poll with "Undecided", does that go to Romney?

Posted by: t-bird at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (FcR7P)

222
So in conclusion...

I say we should not allow Terry Schiavo to be disconnected from life support.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (sqkOB)

223 It's because of shit like this that Romney is stuck at 25% no matter what the other candidates do. There is no need to ask G-D to damn him. He is doing a fine job of doing that himself. Plus this was just plain stupid. It is clearly an easy issue that all Republicans support.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (i6RpT)

224 Romney is going to try to get away without taking any positions ala OdipO all the way thru the general. His competition should make him cause the media will.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 04:03 PM (xOy1A)

225 84

It's really so simple, we're looking for a candidate with balls and not afraid of using them. Romney has failed the ball test.


Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 25, 2011 03:42 PM (Lt/Za)

10-4!!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (hXJOG)

226 Oh, I forgot, Boehner and McConnell are hard charging political
juggernauts who will put it all on the line for conservative principals.
Thanks for reminding me.

So, if they are the flaccid jerks you say they are when it comes to conservative principles, then it doesn't matter who we nominate, right? All is lost!

I am in favor of replacing at least McConnell, and if there is a big enough conservative wave in the Congressional elections, that could happen.

Posted by: pep at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (YXmuI)

227
There is no one in the GOP field who can credibly go the 3d party route and do it in time.


Posted by: Sean Bannion
.........
A stealth candidate backed by Dems can.. Especially one as rich as Huntsman.
But he would never run against Mitt. He would only run against Perry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (f9c2L)

228 Nice post.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (23HPL)

229 No, his promise to vote Obama in November 2012 (or
stay home, or sit out, or whatever) does. I expected such immature
bullshit tantrum stuff from Ben, or rdbrewer -- those guys can barely
rub two brain cells together. But not Drew.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (Mh8D2)
Coming from the man who threatened to sit out if Bachmann was the nominee, that's priceless.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (FkKjr)

230 Stab Mitt in the back? Well, I say do unto Mitt what he will do to us.

Posted by: Actual conservatives at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (OlN4e)

231 So Romney has good reasons not to go into the lion's den yet again.Romney would be a fool to trust these people.
What????????????????????????????
So, your basically arguing that Romney should reach across the aisle and trust the progressives? That Newt Gingrich speaks for the entire conservative movement? That your impaired?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (OWjjx)

232 #94 - All these claims of doom if Romney is the nominee with nothing to support it except your concept that all other voters are like you.
One of the polls recently (I think it was the one that showed Cain and Romney tied at 29) had the question who was the voter's 2nd choice - Romney was way ahead on this question compared to Perry, Cain, etc. So the notion that Cain/Santorum/Bachman/Gingrich supporters are all going to stay home if Romney is the nominee is probably overstated.

Posted by: nobama12 at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (ykY2u)

233 Mitt is smart not to trust conservatives, they carry knives. And they are traitors.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (hgrmi)

yeah, God forbid we elect a conservative. Christonacrutch woman do you even know where you are? Damn those traitorous conservatives for wanting the best for their country!

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (l8iDY)

234 Give me liberty, or don't.

Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3 at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (QKKT0)

235 Oh, I forgot, Boehner and McConnell are hard charging political juggernauts who will put it all on the line for conservative principals. Thanks for reminding me.
remind me what power they have?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (yAor6)

236
Mitt in Ohio: The Chickening

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (QMtmy)

237
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 03:59 PM (8y9MW)
========
Nope, because the more the scary rightwingers attack Romney the more likely he gets votes in the middle.
And the more likely he has to govern from the middle.
If you want Romney to govern conservatively you have to back him up. He can't do it alone.


I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (hgrmi)

238 As I've said.Unless a dramtic change of events happen, theprimaries will run on into the repub convention. Convention delegates will choose our nominee.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (Z9kV0)

239 Ron Paul brings in 3M in 5 days. -Cavuto, FBN

Marijuana dealers hardest hit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (SY2Kh)

240 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (hXJOG)

If you can take him, beat his ass. If not, cut off the money.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (UYLrj)

241 What we NEED to do is whip ourselves into such an emotional frenzy of
hatred over the guy who as of right now is the odds-on favorite to win
the nomination that we're too angry and demoralized to support him in
the general election.

I'll tell you right now, the thought of Romney winning the nom sickens me. Because then that will be my choice Obama or Romney. Why? Because I know, he is in the primary right now. He will never be more conservative in word and action than he is right now.

If you want to know why people dislike him, to the point of hating him, know that they remember how they felt pulling the lever in '08 for McCain and what they got out of it, and they just don't want to feel that way again.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (0q2P7)

242 136
"Just remember a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama."

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 03:43 PM (YdQQY)
Is everybody drinking this afternoon?
Well, yes we are, your point?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (hXJOG)

243 Mitt is ... awesome!
Posted by: DrewM. at October 25, 2011 03:50 PM (ehlWj)
See? Even Drew admits that Mitt Romney is the best candidate!

Posted by: Mitt Romney wearing a fake moustache at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (ggRof)

244 A stealth candidate backed by Dems can.. Especially one as rich as Huntsman. But he would never run against Mitt. He would only run against Perry.Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (f9c2L)
I don't see Huntsman getting over that hill. It's just too much money to spend.
And the DNC needs every penny it can find to whitewash JEF's record. Even then, it's an even money bet whether or not his record of economic disaster can be whitewashed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (sbV1u)

245 Reasons why Romney should be the GOP nominee:

1. It is his turn.

2. Good haircut.

3. Will pay top dollar for an army of consultants, pollsters, and other hacks.

4. Not a democrat.

5. Not a woman.

Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (SSm72)

246 Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3

There's 3 volumes?!? I only read the Reader's Digest version in the dentist's office.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 25, 2011 04:07 PM (IfkGz)

247 But here, in the Las Vegas debate is Newt admitting that it was his idea, along with what John Sununu called the "gold standard of conservative thought" the Heritage Foundation
The problem here is that while the Heritage Foundation did come up with this idea years ago they have since repudiated it and admitted that they were wrong.
Oddly enough, your boy Mittens has flip-flopped on every issue out there EXCEPT this one.

Posted by: That guy from Mortal Kombat at October 25, 2011 04:07 PM (JxMoP)

248 Sombody help Petunia, over the side, that is.

Posted by: Actual conservatives at October 25, 2011 04:07 PM (OlN4e)

249 Mitt's a pussy. Now lets move on.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 25, 2011 04:07 PM (0M3AQ)

250 remind me what power they have?
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (yAor6
The power of Ambien!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:07 PM (sbV1u)

251 217What we NEED to do is whip ourselves into such an emotional frenzy of hatred over the guy who as of right now is the odds-on favorite to win the nomination that we're too angry and demoralized to support him in the general election.
At some point you need to realize that when a large mass of people hate a candidate, the problem isn't with the people.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (FkKjr) when you are a member of the Ruling Class (or butt-kisser) the problem is ALWAYS with the people.

Posted by: shoey at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (m6OUa)

252 Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (SSm72)
you forgot tanned

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (yAor6)

253 Did we mention that he's not a woman?

Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (SSm72)

254 I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?

Don't select the carriage return character when you're quoting people. Minx gets confused when you do. (Which is why you'll usually see me only quoting one line of a previous comment.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (bjRNS)

255 Romney, son, it gets hot in this here kitchen.

Posted by: Butwhatdoiknow at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (BvTwT)

256 >>Oddly enough, your boy Mittens has flip-flopped on every issue out there EXCEPT this one.


Actually, Romney flip-flopped on this issue as well.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 25, 2011 04:08 PM (Sh42X)

257 My son worked all summer two years ago for the state GOP as an intern. He likes Mitt.

Can we have his phone number?

Posted by: Unification Church Outreach Program at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (IhHdM)

258 You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory,
victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however
long and hard the road may be.

And strong polling data. But if we can't have victory and strong polling data, then just strong polling data.

Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3 at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (QKKT0)

259
History will remember the Follicle War of 2011

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (sqkOB)

260 Nope, because the more the scary rightwingers attack Romney the more likely he gets votes in the middle.
And the more likely he has to govern from the middle.
If you want Romney to govern conservatively you have to back him up. He can't do it alone.
This makes even less sense. In a year where Obama is politcally crippled and you have seen one conservative victory again and again (Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida) you want to select the moderate to govern from the middle?
Or, let me see if this is your take....Romney is gonna win anyway, so better not piss him off or he will stick it to us?
Either way, its not good logic. Look, I like electability. I think you have to win elections to have any real impact. But both of these thought processes are flawed.
A conservative can win. Polls have both shown Cain and Perry w/in the MOE in prior polls. And Obama under 47%.
And as for it being over, well, it isn't. Romney is losing in Iowa, either trailing or tied in South Carolina and in similar situations in Florida.
Sorry, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (OWjjx)

261 Romney sees the polls having this down by 20 points right now in a state he needs to carry. Why wade into an issue that's a political loser? He doesn't get to vote on it; he doesn't live there. I think the voters of Ohio are crazy if they repeal Kasich's law, but I don't have a say in the issue, either. I don't live there. Maybe we'd like Romney better if he gave incoherent answers on foreign policy like Cainor made unforced errors on Birtherismlike Perry? I thinka lot of you are freaking out for nothing.

Posted by: PalinFan at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (yxzez)

262 If you don't vote for me then you hate children and old people. Just like Rick Perry

Posted by: Mitt Romney, not attacking others at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (GULKT)

263 and tanned.

Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (SSm72)

264 The problem with Romney is that he's strictly a strategic guy - ie. all long term thinking.

That would also be Obama's problem. And we see how well that's working out for him....and us.

Romney totally neglects the tactical - ie. win this battle first before you think about what you'll do once you've won the war.

So, he's already run to the middle before securing the base. which means he'll run even further left in the general.

That being said, a retarded chipmunk would be better than Obama.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (jkSbV)

265 My fear is no candidate has a majority going to convention, and there
actually has to be multiple voting rounds. That is where things can get
ugly and if Republicans aren't careful they could lose the base.
Who was the last "smoke-filled back-room" brokered candidate for the GOP, anyway? Warren G. Harding?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (VZ10+)

266 Give me liberty, or don't.

Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3 at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM

Heh.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (23HPL)

267 except your concept that all other voters are like you.I don't know where you are from. But everyone I know hates the guy.

He's been campaigning for the Presidency in earnest since 2007 and he still can't get a third of the party to support him. It speaks volumes to what the base thinks about him.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (0q2P7)

268 Guys, petunia is a moby. She's here to toss bombs. Ignore her.

Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (RD7QR)

269 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:02 PM (UYLrj)

actually that mess 150 years ago had more to do with the south thinking it was a good idea to own black people. It wasn't. and it didn't end well. Really though where's my choice in an election if it's between Obama and a guy that should be a frigging democrat? why not stay home? or write in for lawn gnome? in my battle ground state of FL. I'm just as screwed if Romney beats Obama.

Posted by: bannor at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (6AXh/)

270 We have nothing to fear but fear itself, unless there's something else out there.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (23HPL)

271 That being said, a retarded chipmunk would be better than Obama.

My girlfriend's daughter has sock-monkeys that would be better than Obama.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (VZ10+)

272 Or, let me see if this is your take....Romney is gonna win anyway, so better not piss him off or he will stick it to us?
that's Hannity's plan

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (yAor6)

273 Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (RD7QR)

But what if she has nice tits?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (UYLrj)

274 >>>Coming from the man who threatened to sit out if Bachmann was the nominee, that's priceless.

And I immediately took it back, recognizing what a destructive and immature position it was. And I've apologized for it several times since, actually going out of my way to bring it up as a fundamental error I made. Meanwhile DrewM. has actually confirmed that, yes, he won't vote GOP if Romney gets the nomination.

The very thing you attempt to cite as 'evidence' of my supposed hypocrisy not only exonerates me completely, but casts his statement in an even worse light. Everyone has the right to say something stupid in the heat of a tantrum -- lord knows I've done it too. (And I will continue to do it in the future!) But to double down after having a chance to think about it? Unacceptable.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (Mh8D2)

275 Ow, to think that I may HAVE to vote for this suppurating cankersore of a miserable flipflopper in the general.



In related news the Romney campaign announced today that it is changing
its long term symbol, the elephant, to the much more apropos
weathervane.



Sigh. ABO.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (ENKCw)

276 If you want Romney to govern conservatively you have to back him up. He can't do it alone.

Is this Battered Wife Syndrome or Stockholm Syndrome?

Why does everybody think they are Otto Von Bismarck and they need to be needlessly convoluted? To be conservative you must support the moderate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (FkKjr)

277 245
Reasons why Romney should be the GOP nominee:



1. It is his turn.



2. Good haircut.



3. Will pay top dollar for an army of consultants, pollsters, and other hacks.



4. Not a democrat.



5. Not a woman.

Are you sure? Have you seen his underwear?

Just saying that hair is mighty nice.

Posted by: John, silky, Edwards at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (hXJOG)

278 Mitt is smart not to trust conservatives, they carry knives. And they are traitors.

Posted by: petunia

You forgot one penny petunia. If you don't watch us we may sodomize you with a stick.

Right now my money and support goes to Perry.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (iYbLN)

279 My girlfriend's daughter has sock-monkeys that would be better than Obama.Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM
Does she have sweater puppies that wouyld be better than Obama? 'Cause I'd vote for that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (sbV1u)

280 Tippicanoe and Tyler too, unless Van Buren wants to go also.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:11 PM (23HPL)

281 268
Guys, petunia is a moby. She's here to toss bombs. Ignore her.

No, petunia is sincerely unhinged. She used to be semi-rational several years ago, but she's gone completely off her rocker. So, yeah, your advice is good, but she's no moby.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:12 PM (5H6zj)

282
Just think, we'll be doing this a hundred more times before it's done.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 04:12 PM (sqkOB)

283
>>Who was the last "smoke-filled back-room" brokered candidate for the GOP, anyway? Warren G. Harding?

someone has been watching Boardwalk Empire

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:12 PM (wuv1c)

284 No, petunia is sincerely unhinged. She used to be semi-rational several years ago, but she's gone completely off her rocker. So, yeah, your advice is good, but she's no moby.
it's curious' mom! we solved the mystery!

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:12 PM (yAor6)

285 I expected such immature
bullshit tantrum stuff from Ben, or rdbrewer -- those guys can barely
rub two brain cells together.

Jeff "Lex Luthor, Super Genius" B. makes another pronouncement from on high.

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (4CSeG)

286 The very thing you attempt to cite as 'evidence' of my supposed
hypocrisy not only exonerates me completely

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

to double down after having a chance to think about it? Unacceptable.

We must be pure in our hatred of the purist. That's what's so wonderful about you Jeff.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (FkKjr)

287 This Mitt fella is kinda of a silver tongued back slapping two timer isn't he?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (xOy1A)

288 279
My girlfriend's daughter has sock-monkeys that would be better than Obama.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM
Does she have sweater puppies that wouyld be better than Obama? 'Cause I'd vote for that.
She's 2, so that's a "no".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (VZ10+)

289 >261
Romney sees the polls having this down by 20 points right now in a
state he needs to carry. Why wade into an issue that's a political
loser? He doesn't get to vote on it; he doesn't live there


Then why was he there? Oh, and he waded into this issue earlier in the year when he supported the reforms.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (Sh42X)

290 it's curious' mom! we solved the mystery!
F'ing winner. Close the thread.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (OWjjx)

291 From now on I am calling him Metro Minty.

Posted by: PugBoo Playing With Anagrams Again at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (0FZ53)

292 Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (hgrmi)

You may be beyond help, here.

We're not courting Mitt Romney. He's supposed to be courting us. If he wants our support, he has to do things to prove he's worthy of it.

In a sense, though, you're right. He burned all the Conservative bridges already. He's doubled (or is it tripled or quadrupled?) down on RomneyCare. He's for ethanol subsidies. He believes in AGW, unless he doesn't.

There is not a Conservative bone in Mitt Romney's body. The more I see of him, the more convinced I am that he chose to be a Republican because he didn't think he could win the nomination for Governor as a Democrat.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (8y9MW)

293 I'll tell you right now, the thought of Romney winning the nom sickens me. Because then that will be my choice Obama or Romney. Why? Because I know, he is in the primary right now. He will never be more conservative in word and action than he is right now. If you want to know why people dislike him, to the point of hating him, know that they remember how they felt pulling the lever in '08 for McCain and what they got out of it, and they just don't want to feel that way again.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:06 PM (0q2P7)
I absolutely understand and sympathize with this position, Mike, but I always have to come back and say this:
"they remember how they felt pulling the lever in '08 for McCain and what they got out of it, and they just don't want to feel that way again. "
I still taste that bile, and it's still just as bitter today as it was then. But if Romney's the nominee this time around and my fellow betrayed conservatives don't pull the lever for him, we'll get even worse than we got in '08. We'll have a President who doesn't have to worry about another election, and who's already proven he doesn't give a rat's ass about the Constitution. It will truly be government by Executive Fiat. It WILL be the worst of times.
That's why I'll vote for whoever it is that the plurality of my fellow anti-Obama voters chooses in the primaries, and I will ride his/her ass like a fucking TORNADO to make sure they don't take their election as a mandate. It's not a mandate; it's a repudiation of everything Obama has done and plans to do. The mandate is, "DON'T FUCKING BE ANOTHER OBAMA."
And then we start prepping Rubio for 2016.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (4df7R)

294 257
My son worked all summer two years ago for the state GOP as an intern. He likes Mitt.

Can we have his phone number?


Posted by: Unification Church Outreach Program at October 25, 2011 04:09 PM (IhHdM)

Yeah, if you pay for next semester.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (hXJOG)

295 Who was the last "smoke-filled back-room" brokered candidate for the GOP, anyway? Warren G. Harding?
have you looked over Harding's record? we'd be lucky to have him. I can live w/ the scandals personal life problems for a record like that.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (yAor6)

296
Serenity now!

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (sqkOB)

297 She's 2, so that's a "no".
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (VZ10+)
It was the sock monkey thing that confused me. I don't even know what those are.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (sbV1u)

298 283
>>Who was the last "smoke-filled back-room" brokered candidate for the GOP, anyway? Warren G. Harding?
someone has been watching Boardwalk Empire
Actually, no, but I've got family trying to convince me to watch it. Gangsters plus Roaring 20s plus Steve Buscemi should be an easy sale for me.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:14 PM (VZ10+)

299 Is this post more predictable or annoying? Not sure.

Which ever it is, it's infinitely more of the above than intelligent, exhibiting political wisdom or even well written. Congratulations.

Now lets all go off and get in a circle for Sen. Christine O'Donnell.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:15 PM (YW11a)

300 If you want Romney to govern conservatively you have to back him up. He can't do it alone.

Wow another great talking point from the Republican *support the squish* playbook.

Support the establishment candidate so he (she) has the political capital to be more conservative. Supporting more conservative non-approved candidates only pushes them to the center. We know who is going to win, so support now and your concerns will be more likely answered.

Fool me once...twice...6, 7, 8, times OK eventually I catch on!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:15 PM (0q2P7)

301 Then why was he there? Oh, and he waded into this issue earlier in the year when he supported the reforms

Photo op.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:15 PM (5H6zj)

302 I cannot tell a lie when convenient.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:15 PM (23HPL)

303 297

She's 2, so that's a "no".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:13 PM (VZ10+)
It was the sock monkey thing that confused me. I don't even know what those are.http://bit.ly/vTrYd6

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (VZ10+)

304 274

Oh yes, lets all clap for JeffB. for being so brave.

Keyrist the shitter is getting full in here.

Like someone said above, Romney is a pussy. I would like to see Mittens breaking a sweat doing real, physical work. I don't trust a man whose hands are soft and his nails are manicured better than mine. Oh and wiping dog shit from the back windshield doesn't count. You shouldn't have put the doggeh kennel on top on car to begin with titweasel.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (iYbLN)

305 Curious is Mitts daughter.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (xOy1A)

306 Anyone But Obamney!

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (qndXR)

307 Alright, I think this is it.

I think I'm done. I don't think I can comment about this stuff here anymore.

I don't handle it particularly well -- I get hyper and I'm rather condescending -- and I'm wildly outnumbered, and the combination of two just makes me feel worn out. I don't like being attacked, and I don't like feeling like the guy who's constantly attacking others. I will not "go Sullivan." I'd rather eat a bullet than do that. But I look at my rhetoric and think "jesus, you're a fucking jerk, Jeff B." And even though I tire of the frequent attacks, I've got nobody to blame for that but myself.

So I think I have to step away for awhile. This is bad for my health. And depressing. I don't want to watch this community commit mass suicide, which I think a lot of this anti-Romney craziness is, but since I can't stop it, or even talk about the issue without coming across as a flaming asshole (again, this is MY fault), I've got to be an adult about it and step back.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Mh8D2)

308 That being said, a retarded chipmunk would be better than Obama.My girlfriend's daughter has sock-monkeys that would be better than Obama.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:10 PM (VZ10+)

There's turds in my cat's litter box that would be better than the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Z9kV0)

309 "they remember how they felt pulling the lever in '08 for McCain and what they got out of it, and they just don't want to feel that way again. "
after how Obama turned out to be I feel proud to say I voted for Mac over him. I can tell my future kids I wasn't a dumbass.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (yAor6)

310 Give me liberty, or give me death, or perhaps another choice.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (23HPL)

311 He did the typical Romney verbal, I'm not going to give you a clear answer, but I'll sound good doing it.

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (h+qn8)

312 Nope, because the more the scary rightwingers attack Romney the more likely he gets votes in the middle.And the more likely he has to govern from the middle.
And the more likely that he is every bit the failure in office that Obama is. There are no solutions in the middle because they haven't figured out that they can't have the government (promises) that they think they currently have. Mathematics won't allow it.

The next President will have to cut government in half to have any chance at a growing economy by the time he runs for reelection. Mitt is about the least likely of the candidates to attempt anything of the sort.

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (sOXQX)

313 There is not a Conservative bone in Mitt Romney's body. The more I see
of him, the more convinced I am that he chose to be a Republican because
he didn't think he could win the nomination for Governor as a Democrat

^This.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (5H6zj)

314 So Romney went there and said he supported it... but not in the exact manner that Drew M. demands...

WTF is this post about exactly?

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (tazG1)

315 defend him romneybots..................

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (s+J9D)

316 This place has turned into a pretty effective Democrat campaign site.

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (4CSeG)

317 But if Romney's the nominee this time around and my fellow betrayed
conservatives don't pull the lever for him, we'll get even worse than we
got in '08.

Until Romney convinces me he has the courage to actually do what is necessary to avoid collapse, he doesn't get my vote. (And he lost ground voting present)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (0q2P7)

318 Better than a gun thread, and some of us are still sober.

Fuck a 45, I'll go with a 40 cal anytime.

That should be good for another 100 comments.

Just think every comment helps the Ewoks numbers.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (hXJOG)

319 Reasons why Romney should be the GOP nominee:

6. The noncommittal bystander of my enemy is my friend. (isn't that how the saying goes?)

Posted by: t-bird at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (FcR7P)

320 I don't trust a man whose hands are soft and his nails are manicured better than mine.
Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants.
I'd be really worried if Mitt's was a French manicure.
REALLY worried.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (sbV1u)

321 Speak softly and carry a big stick, unless it could be regarded as threatening.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (23HPL)

322 Mitt has devised an unbeatable strategy: Take no or all positions on every issue. Baffle them with bullshit and keep that hair combed. Victory!

Posted by: Actual conservatives at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (OlN4e)

323
>>>Actually, no, but I've got family trying to convince me to watch it. Gangsters plus Roaring 20s plus Steve Buscemi should be an easy sale for me.


It's good. You should check it out

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (wuv1c)

324 231
So Romney has good reasons not to go into the lion's den yet again. Romney would be a fool to trust these people.
What????????????????????????????
So, your basically arguing that Romney should reach across the aisle and trust the progressives? That Newt Gingrich speaks for the entire conservative movement? That your impaired?
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:04 PM (OWjjx) ====================================No the mandate was not "reaching accross the aisle!"That is the lie they tell you.The mandate is from The Heritage Foundation!!!!! (Pre-eminent CONSERVATIVE think tank!!!)But the establishment decided to scapegoat Romney over it instead of own up to it!!!! They decided to paint Romney as liberal to protect themselves!!! From their own ideas!!!Read the transcript of the debate!!!Why are we told the mandate is liberal when it was an idea developed at Heritage and by Newt's conservative congress?Why? It is a lie. Why tell it?Ask your self who is doing the lying, and why are they doing it?It isn't Romney who is telling the lies. He is fighting against the liars in our own party!Question everything they are telling you about Romney!!! They have a motive, what is it. I know what I think, but this time... figure it out on your own. Why would they hide the true origins of the mandate and blame it on Romney? Why?You can not trust the people you are trusting!!! They don't tellthe truth about Romney!!!Question! Don't be sheep!!!

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (hgrmi)

325 Actually, Romney flip-flopped on this issue as well.
I know he said he would issue an executive order and have Obamacare repealed, but has he ever saidRomneycare was a bad idea and thathe'd oppose it if he had to do it all over again? Last I heard him talk about it he was lauding it but also hiding behind the 10th amendment, which means to me that he thinks that it's fine and dandy for government to screw you as long as it's done at the consitutionally appropriate level.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (JxMoP)

326 sifty. yeah i figure with all this vetting we won't leave any stone un-turned, Dems are getting a free ride.

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (h+qn8)

327 Serenity now!

I get Vera!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

328 217
At some point you need to realize that when a large mass of people hate a candidate, the problem isn't with the people.


If we all hate him, then why are we assuming he will necessarily win the primary? People should vote according to who they think should be the nominee instead of falling for the "inevitable nominee" talk. Also, the polls have changed so many times that it is difficult to make assumptions with great assurance.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (d6QMz)

329
We need more people who never comment here except in support of Mitt Romney in Mitt Romney related threads. It feels so genuine

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (wuv1c)

330 Who was the last "smoke-filled back-room" brokered candidate for the GOP, anyway? Warren G. Harding?

Actually I don't think we started primaries until after 1968. So all of the nominees up till then were smoke filled back room nominees.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (YdQQY)

331 Fuck a 45, I'll go with a 40 cal anytime.

9MM... allows for better aim than a .40 in my experience.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (VZ10+)

332 I think I'm done. I don't think I can comment about this stuff here anymore.

Or you can just try to be less of a smug douche.

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (4CSeG)

333 I'm rather condescending --


Newsflash : No shit Sherlock.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (iYbLN)

334 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Mh8D2)
well jeff I like you. I'm in the minority here on that but I always found you to be one of my fav commenters. But when shit gets tough in the primary talks, things get heated. Lord knows I've gotten heated w/ fellow commenters. One prob is your all in on Romney, i'm undecided so I can jump in the bashing on anybody as I go from candidate to candidate. Perhaps a break might help. You dont wanna become the next curious

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (yAor6)

335 I don't like being attacked, and I don't like feeling like the guy who's constantly attacking others.
So you didn't feel that way after 6 months of going absolutely apeshit at anyone that spoke favorably of Palin?

Posted by: Mitt Romney, not attacking others at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (GULKT)

336 Fuck a 45, I'll go with a 40 cal anytime.

That should be good for another 100 comments.

Just think every comment helps the Ewoks numbers.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:17 PM (hXJOG)

TRAITOR!!!

Posted by: joncelli, who doesn't actually have a dog in that fight at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (RD7QR)

337 Mitt Romney has a plan. The first rule of the Romney Plan is Do Not Deviate From The Romney Plan. Getting involved in a union reform ballot initiative in Ohio was not part of the Plan, and neither was speaking out on the debt-ceiling debate when it was going on. He and his team have spent years refining and honing and polishing, working out various scenarios and strategies, war-gaming the possibilities. Nothing--absolutely nothing--will cause Romney to cut loose and start improvising. Sorry, Governor Kasich.
Perry's attack in the last debate exposed the flaw of Romney's meticulous approach. Come at Romney from an unexpected direction and he gets flustered. Romney was expecting a gentleman's debate, allowing himself to be successfully blindsided when Perry got unfair and vicious--and yeah, that business about the illegal aliens on the landscaping crew was unfair. So what?Politics ain't beanbag.
As it stands, Herman Cain's starwill probably fade as his shortcomings become more pronounced under pressure. From Team Romney's perspective, Perry is the one to beat, and Perry's making it easier right now by 'having fun' with Birtherism.
That said, Romney can still lose.If Perry or Cain or Newt! pushes him hard enough in the next debate and Romney starts whiningagain fora moderator to save him, he can most definitely lose. In politics, no one is inevitable.

Posted by: troyriser at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (vtiE6)

338
You Shall Not Pass, unless you want to, then I might be fine with that. Or not.

Posted by: Mitt Gandolf Romney at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (wuv1c)

339 A house divided against itself cannot stand. But you could sell the house and buy two cheaper houses and that would probably work out okay.

Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3 at October 25, 2011 04:19 PM (QKKT0)

340 I will say again, I will NOT vote for Mitt Romney under ANY circumstances.
END TRANSMISSION.

Posted by: USMC 8541 at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (sGtp+)

341 If we all hate him, then why are we assuming he will necessarily win the primary? People should vote according to who they think should be the nominee instead of falling for the "inevitable nominee" talk. Also, the polls have changed so many times that it is difficult to make assumptions with great assurance.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (d6QMz)
^^^^^^ This this this this this! This x 1000N ^^^^^^

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (4df7R)

342 Question! Don't be sheep!!!

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (hgrmi)

Your meds! Fuckin take them!

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (4CSeG)

343 If you want to know why people dislike him, to the point of hating him,
know that they remember how they felt pulling the lever in '08 for
McCain and what they got out of it, and they just don't want to feel
that way again.
If people are grown-ups they will come to terms with the understanding that their "feelings" at a particular moment in time are less important than the decision to either make the best of what we've got; or willingly flush the country down the toilet by sitting home, to the benefit of a sitting president we know will finish America off.

I hated McCain too. Hated him when I voted against him in the 2000 primary (and it was very much a vote against him rather than for Bush), hated him when I did the same in '08. The day after he clinched the nomination I said "Fuck this guy, I'll never vote for him!" Well, a good look at Obama cured me of that real fast and by Election Day I wasn't even thinking about how much I loathed John McCain. I went down there and punched the button for him, and never thought I'd be so enthusiastic in doing so.

And I have a feeling that whomever the nominee is this time, as soon as the general election gets in gear, we're going to remember who the real enemy is real fast. To forget or disregard who Obama is, and what a second term of him will be, is madness.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (d3TgT)

344 Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (wuv1c)
you noticed that too?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (yAor6)

345 On the other hand today is the anniversary of the longbow victory.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (YdQQY)

346 You can not trust the people you are trusting!!! They don't tellthe truth about Romney!!!

Then neither does his record?

I don't use the Heritage Foundation to do my thinking. I do my own (more or less). And I can see that an individual mandate is a Very Bad Thing. Romney still supports his individual mandate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (8y9MW)

347 That thing that my colleague said is for is good for America except when it's not. Vote for my colleague... unless you disagree with him. And vote Muddle!

Posted by: Muddle Romney at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (REXkU)

348 Romney is our best chance of re-electing Obama.
At this point I am still supporting Perry but Newt is looking good to me too.

Posted by: real joe at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (xovnt)

349 I don't claim to be the only one here saying this ALL ALONG, but: told ya so.

Now we have to hear from Ace on this, because he's the one who's been pushing the line that we should settle for Romney because he's "electable" - like that's a GOOD thing.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (vahvH)

350 /sock

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (GULKT)

351 JeffB.

Plus that was a cheap shot a Ben.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (iYbLN)

352
I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?



Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:05 PM (hgrmi)
You hold down the shift key and hit the key under the brackets keys.

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (7+pP9)

353 So I think I have to step away for awhile. This is
bad for my health. And depressing. I don't want to watch this
community commit mass suicide, which I think a lot of this anti-Romney
craziness is, but since I can't stop it, or even talk about the issue
without coming across as a flaming asshole (again, this is MY fault),
I've got to be an adult about it and step back.


Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Mh8D2)

Jeff. c'mon, we all take a moment at the torture wheel. just take the lumps and give some back.although i prefer going after Obama and goons rather than our own.

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (h+qn8)

354 Yes, Jeff B., leave this place so we can always be together. They're all too stupid and ugly to understand your greatness here.

Posted by: Jeff B.'s Catamite at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (ggRof)

355 I really don't get the formattin rules here.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (hgrmi)

356 It must take Mitt half a day to decide if he needs to take a dump.

Posted by: Actual conservatives at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (OlN4e)

357 I know he said he would issue an executive order and have Obamacare
repealed, but has he ever saidRomneycare was a bad idea and thathe'd
oppose it if he had to do it all over again?
No.

Anything bad that someone raises about Masscare he blames on the Democrats. But I have yet to see him volunteer detailed analysis of what went wrong with Masscare or a plan for fixing it. He just saddled those folks with an albatross so he'd have something to point to as his great expertise and achievement last time and then cut and run. He didn't even have the decency to toss some of his wealth towards making a think tank or non-profit to encourage research and solutions in health care. He just spent the past few years of his "unemployment" (why he gets a pass on that remark, btw, is beyond me) looking pretty and tossing some money around so he'd have political markers to call in later.

I voted for this asshole last time over McCain, but at least McCain is honest about his squishiness.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (5H6zj)

358 So I think I have to step away for awhile.


Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Mh8D2)
Our work here is done!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (UYLrj)

359 If we all hate him, then why are we assuming he will
necessarily win the primary?

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (d6QMz)
I don't really assume that. Mitt is such that he will create his own destroyer, just like last time.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (FkKjr)

360
>>>So I think I have to step away for awhile. This is bad for my health. And depressing. I don't want to watch this community commit mass suicide, which I think a lot of this anti-Romney craziness is, but since I can't stop it, or even talk about the issue without coming across as a flaming asshole (again, this is MY fault), I've got to be an adult about it and step back.

It is impossible for you to not be a condescending prick. Even this comment is dripping with self righteousness and condescension.
That's your thing. That's who you are. Embrace it.

Posted by: Mitt Gandolf Romney at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (wuv1c)

361 I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?
Posted by: petunia


Please, don't.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (Sh42X)

362 There is not a Conservative bone in Mitt Romney's body. The more I see
of him, the more convinced I am that he chose to be a Republican because
he didn't think he could win the nomination for Governor as a Democrat.

Totally legitimate strategy.

Posted by: Mike Bloomberg at October 25, 2011 04:22 PM (sOXQX)

363 No the mandate was not "reaching accross the aisle!"
Then how come when the subject of MassCare comes up, there are countless posts about how Mitt got it forced on him by the Democratic controlled legislature?
Why are we told the mandate is liberal when it was an idea developed at Heritage and by Newt's conservative congress?
Because Heritage has walked it back and said it was a mistake. And Axelrod and Obama have both been quoted as saying MassCare was the blueprint for Obama care.
It isn't Romney who is telling the lies. He is fighting against the liars in our own party!
Uh, the tinfoil cutting off the circulation to the brain?
Question everything they are telling you about Romney!!! They have a motive, what is it. I know what I think, but this time... figure it out on your own. Why would they hide the true origins of the mandate and blame it on Romney? Why?
Its the Illuminati? No, the Trilateral Commission? Uh, the Mafia and Cuba? Why do you speak in riddles? Is this the premise for a new Dan Brown book?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (OWjjx)

364 sock off

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (wuv1c)

365 but Newt is looking good to me too.Posted by: real joe at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (xovnt)
The next local Newt for President meeting is Saturday at the donut shop. Why don't you come on down? That way there will be 3 of us.
I don't like drinking my coffee alone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (sbV1u)

366 You can not trust the people you are trusting!!! They don't tellthe truth about Romney!!!Question! Don't be sheep!!!

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (hgrmi)


Ok Mitt's mom. We know it's you. You can go back to your mental home now.


Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (UK9cE)

367 It must take Mitt half a day to decide if he needs to take a dump.

A dump in time saves nine. But on the other hand, haste makes waste.

Posted by: The Collected Pith of Mittens Romney, vol. 3 at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (QKKT0)

368 50 Posted by: Mitt Romney of the Neutral Planet at the DOOP___________
Dude, it doesn't work if you use uppercase. The whole point of the doop logo is that it looks the same upside down as it does rightside up.

Posted by: Anachronda has opinions about strange things at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (NmR1a)

369 Actually, my latest round is 5.7 X 28mm.

Hot as shit and comes in Armour piercing.

No recoil. It a big 22. http://tinyurl.com/422v66s

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:24 PM (hXJOG)

370 I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?
Pick up your computer. Hit yourself in the head several times with it. That should do it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:24 PM (OWjjx)

371
Remember the OODA Loop?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 25, 2011 04:24 PM (sqkOB)

372 A dump in time saves nine. But on the other hand, haste makes waste.

Last Sat

All stopped up and can't take shit
go on down to the polls and vote for Mitt.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:24 PM (YdQQY)

373 Where are the drummers?. We need drummers.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (Z9kV0)

374 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (VZ10+)

Bullshit.

Shoot them side by side. The 9mm has a snap that the .40 doesn't have. It's is a heavier but more controllable recoil.

[Southerners don't know shit about shooting. We Northerners invented all of the guns you own! Stick to growing cotton and whining about the War of The Rebellion]


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (UYLrj)

375 although i prefer going after Obama and goons rather than our own.


Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:21 PM (h+qn
There's no discussion there though. There needs to be contention to have a good discussion. I think all these discussions about candidates make us stronger. For better or worse, we will know our nominee inside or out.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (FkKjr)

376 327
Serenity now!

I get Vera!


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

I'll bring the grenades.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (l8iDY)

377 seriously where all the Romneybots go to?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (yAor6)

378 I don't claim to be the only one here saying this ALL ALONG, but: told ya so.



Now we have to hear from Ace on this, because he's the one who's been
pushing the line that we should settle for Romney because he's
"electable" - like that's a GOOD thing.

Huh? Ace has been in Perry's corner.

And since when is the ability to win an election a bad quality in a candidate? We should go for an unelectable candidate to run for election?

I've little love for Romney, but above all else Obama needs to go. I'd like to see Perry take his place, but he has only himself to blame for the poor performance he's put in so far.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (SY2Kh)

379 Fuck a 45, I'll go with a 40 cal anytime. Call me sentimental for the Soviet Union, but I prefer the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev. Shoots through kevlar--any just about anything else.

Posted by: troyriser at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (vtiE6)

380 >>>Plus that was a cheap shot a Ben.

It was. It WAS a cheap shot. (The stuff in the other thread, actually.) And I knew it when I was taking it, and I sat there and thought about it afterwards and felt grubby about it. I obviously dislike the guy (and he's said some pretty godawful stuff to me too), but fuck it, I don't want be That Guy Who Writes That Sort Of Shit.

And yet I'm getting so wound up about this crap -- and the embrace of, yes, suicidal irrationality as I see it on the part of many of you -- that I find myself unable to write about this election stuff in any other way. My dial feels like it's set to 0 or 11 with no in-between right now. It's obnoxious and annoying and as much as you people must dislike it I like it even less. So I think I've just got to go.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (Mh8D2)

381 “I’m supportive of the Republican Party’s effort here.”

- Romney at the phone bank.


Of course he was talking about their efforts to clean the bathroom.

Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (I+xVl)

382 I'll keep my .45 and my .357.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (YdQQY)

383 356
It must take Mitt half a day to decide if he needs to take a dump.

Posted by: Actual conservatives
And the other half of the day decide how much toilet paper to use.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (iYbLN)

384
>>>seriously where all the Romneybots go to?

they show up at other sites too.

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (wuv1c)

385 Ya ever flip a coin and it lands on its edge? Man, seems to happen all the time.

Posted by: Mittens at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (FcR7P)

386 This thread is why I could never be a political strategist.It's truly exhausting, ne?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (4df7R)

387 >>Question! Don't be sheep!!!

Do you guys appreciate how funny this comment is coming from someone whose candidate's cultural heritage uses the beehive as its symbol for how society should behave?

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (5H6zj)

388 So I think I have to step away for awhile. This is
bad for my health. And depressing. I don't want to watch this
community commit mass suicide, which I think a lot of this anti-Romney
craziness is, but since I can't stop it, or even talk about the issue
without coming across as a flaming asshole (again, this is MY fault),
I've got to be an adult about it and step back.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:16 PM (Mh8D2)

Yes, you should. Romney is the RINO that the left thinks should compete against JEF. You can't see that? He's not a conservative. He was the FATHER of JEF Care. There is ZERO conservative about that crap.

We're stating that we're sick and fucking tired of the RINO being put up against the socialist and the socialist promises more free shit to get it's base plus 3/4 of the independents.

WE LOOSE.

We can do SOOOO much better than Romney. He can't have the same stance twice so far.........he just sucks.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (UK9cE)

389 Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, unless you don't really want to--in which case, feel free to go ahead and leave it up.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (23HPL)

390 I'd like to see Perry take his place, but he has only himself to blame for the poor performance he's put in so far.

That said, he seems to be waking up. Hopefully it's not too little, too late.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:27 PM (8y9MW)

391 I'd love to support Perry but he's given me no reason to support him, I won't support Romney because he's giving me every reason not to.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 25, 2011 04:28 PM (Sh42X)

392 I call BS on Romney's electablility.
He is as electable as McCain was.

Posted by: real joe at October 25, 2011 04:28 PM (xovnt)

393 >>Pick up your computer. Hit yourself in the head several times with it. That should do it

LOL.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:28 PM (5H6zj)

394 There's no discussion there
though. There needs to be contention to have a good discussion. I
think all these discussions about candidates make us stronger. For
better or worse, we will know our nominee inside or out.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:25 PM (FkKjr)

true, and everyone of us support a person that gets gored, and ourselves as offshoots of the supported. we survive and go for the win with hopefully one we can plug our nose for if nothing else.

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:29 PM (h+qn8)

395 That's like when McCain said "I'm neither for or against sanctuary cities" when he was on the campaign trail.

I mean, WTF? Get some goddam convictions for cryin' out loud.

Posted by: scottythrust at October 25, 2011 04:29 PM (VTeUD)

396 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (Mh8D2)
I see where your coming from about electability and being careful so we can win this election but this guy is making it hard to back him for some. I'll PROUDLY vote for him over Obama, but some dopes we need out there in 2012 might not come out.I jumped on the Mitt bandwagon for awhile and I was embarassed as he kept flip-flopping and taking shots that made me unable to defend him like I could perry or T-Paw whwne I backed them. If Perry has himself to blame for a fall from the frontrunner status, Romney has to blame himself for the troubles w/ the base.

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:29 PM (yAor6)

397 John Moses Browning was a Mormon. But, unlike Mitt, he was no pussy that didn't know what he was about.

Posted by: Actual conservatives at October 25, 2011 04:30 PM (OlN4e)

398 My dial feels like it's set to 0 or 11 with no
in-between right now. It's obnoxious and annoying and as much as you
people must dislike it I like it even less. So I think I've just got to
go.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (Mh8D2)


You should get out more.


Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 04:30 PM (UK9cE)

399 When you are craving a warm, soft tollhouse chocolate chunk cookie fresh from the oven, Mitt is a Vanilla Wafer.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 25, 2011 04:30 PM (4q5tP)

400 If we all hate him, then why are we assuming he will
necessarily win the primary?

Some of us won't have the chance to vote because it will be over after the early states. So this is our best chance at influence, although it is extremely small it makes our grindstone feel oiled.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 25, 2011 04:30 PM (xOy1A)

401 But when you turn it upside down ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 25, 2011 04:30 PM (GvYeG)

402 The "outside influence" dodge is no different than the "i'm personally opposed to abortion..." one. Pussies, all of them. And I liked Romney as governor in MA - but, then, he had nothing to lose by being forthright and by taking a definitive position on the issues (which is different than being correct).

Posted by: steve walsh at October 25, 2011 04:31 PM (9TS9J)

403 Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM
Stay here my son. You are doing my holy work and spreading the good word about Romneyism.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:31 PM (kaOJx)

404 382
I'll keep my .45 and my .357.


Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (YdQQY)

Me too, but I have added to my collection.
I still have my dad's WWII 45 with his hostler, his name, and Army id number on on it!

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:31 PM (hXJOG)

405 I don't know how to quote on this site. Help?

Sure. Press, CTR, ALT the Delete key at the same time. Windows will try to fool you by asking some dumb questions, but the only appropriate answer is to hit the power switch to the 'Off' position, thereby overriding their veto of your decision.

Posted by: Tech Support at October 25, 2011 04:31 PM (IhHdM)

406
Turn your backs on Romney, and focus your effort and energy on Congress. If we - conservativemembers of the party - have the House and Senate, whoever the President is, he's going to be along for the ride. Personally, I'd rather have 4 more years of O under that scenario, if only to watch multiple impeachment proceedings and corresponding arrests. Make that dickbag fetch coffee for Hillary Clinton while we wait...
Oh, and fuck that lying,nadless, twat -Romney. If you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, you know EXACTLY what he is - no guessing required.

Posted by: Singyn at October 25, 2011 04:31 PM (NBj0d)

407 I call BS on Romney's electablility.
He is as electable as McCain was.
Posted by: real joe at October 25, 2011 04:28 PM (xovnt)

I don't think that is a good comparison or that McCain was unelectable. McCain ran after 8 years of Republican rule, and for better or worse, in a country like this that is difficult. Additionally McCain was a terrible candidate who actually endorsed his opponent in a debate! He was not unelectable, but he sure worked hard to make himself so.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (i6RpT)

408 369 Actually, my latest round is 5.7 X 28mm.

Hot as shit and comes in Armour piercing.

No recoil. It a big 22. http://tinyurl.com/422v66s
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 25, 2011 04:24 PM (hXJOG)

It's a frog round, ya' cheese-eating surrender monkey! (Seriously, does anybody make it but FN?)

Posted by: joncelli, who doesn't actually have a dog in that fight at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (RD7QR)

409 seriously where all the Romneybots go to?

They are massaging hot oil onto Ed Morrisey's bald, stupid head.

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (iYbLN)

410 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (Mh8D2)

I'm going to give you a little advice (I know you didn't ask for it, but I'm a giver).

1) Don't introspect so much on the intrawebz. It's just not a good idea.
2) The way to get over what you're feeling is to remember that most of us don't take it too personally- at least, not after we've cooled down some.

I take pot-shots at polynikes fairly frequently, but they're fairly friendly pot-shots. I'll do the same (with the TX/OK rivalry) with Soona, from time to time, too.

War busts my chops for supporting Debra Medina in 2010 (which I won't repudiate, though I'll never do it again- she's gone completely nuts. Instead of just sort of nuts). I'm not sure how serious he is, but I mostly think it's funny.

Just lay back and think of every post as a toned-down flamewar post, and you'll probably be okay.

And never, ever forget: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (8y9MW)

411 I'm loving the inability of the so-called arch-conservatives to admit they picked the wrong candidate -- who, frankly, is is walking, stumbling, disaster -- in Rick Perry as a sudden emotive impulse to pick the 'anybody-but-Romney' candidate.

Just admit you guys did the psychological analog of the #OWS crew in banding together against this idea, this nebulous anti-Romney concept which was amazingly lacking 4 year ago when Ace and crew was all on board.

Just remember to take showers and repeat in unison after Ace.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (YW11a)

412 146 At least Mitt Romney will nominate conservative judges to the Supreme Court, right?
Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 03:52 PM (wuv1c)

That depends on whether you consider me conservative!

Posted by: David Souter at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (vjyZP)

413 That said, he seems to be waking up. Hopefully it's not too little, too late.

Agreed, but as someone who does not buy into the opinion that Obama is so vulnerable that anybody could beat him, I'd be lying if I said that the electability factor didn't bother me a little.

It's maddening that we keep having to choose between either moderates or conservatives who run lousy campaigns and/or are too personally flawed.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (SY2Kh)

414 Posted by: nevergiveup at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (i6RpT)
+1

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (yAor6)

415 My dial feels like it's set to 0 or 11 with no
in-between right now. It's obnoxious and annoying and as much as you
people must dislike it I like it even less. So I think I've just got to
go.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (Mh8D2)
Jeff, sometimes a weekend away helps. Your guy is getting the paddle, we all have to go through it supporting a un perfect candidate. just take a day or two off, and work for the best outcome

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:33 PM (h+qn8)

416 It's maddening that we keep having to choose between either moderates or conservatives who run lousy campaigns and/or are too personally flawed.
+1

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:33 PM (yAor6)

417 Personally, I'd rather have 4 more years of O under that scenario, if
only to watch multiple impeachment proceedings and corresponding
arrests. Make that dickbag fetch coffee for Hillary Clinton while we
wait...
Who's going to bring up the charges? REPUBLICANS?!?

HA!!!!! I'll vote straight ticket and be done.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 25, 2011 04:33 PM (UK9cE)

418 unperfect
imperfect

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:34 PM (h+qn8)

419 They are massaging hot oil onto Ed Morrisey's bald, stupid head.
Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (iYbLN)
ha! don't forget Hannity and Coulter

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:34 PM (yAor6)

420 Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 04:26 PM (YdQQY)

It is very difficult to go wrong with those two rounds. Although, a .22 is nice for plinking -- and it sure is cheap to fire.

My .45ACP was my first pistol, and it still is my favorite (the 40SW is a close second).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:35 PM (UYLrj)

421 We should be raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people. But hey, if your paint board only has pale pastels, go ahead and use the pale pastels.

Posted by: Muddle Romney at October 25, 2011 04:36 PM (REXkU)

422 So is mittens running on the platform "You demonrats can vote for me because I am not as conservative as the other guys"

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at October 25, 2011 04:36 PM (zCCgl)

423 I'd be lying if I said that the electability factor didn't bother me a little.
Well, Obama wouldn't have gotten to be President if more people didn't vote for him in the first place. So I'm not convinced of his imminent defeat anyway (though it feels so good to say that he's toast).

That's actually another reason for a Real Conservative. Even if he runs a "meh" campaign, I think the Tea Parties will step in with GOTV and keep their own base engaged. I don't see that happening as much if Romney is the nominee. Down ballot races are, in fact, more important than the Presidency. As hard as that is to believe.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:36 PM (8y9MW)

424 ace has just posted on Perry-birtherism AGAIN. This time he's walking back.

Mission accomplished by Romney and the MSM though.

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2011 04:37 PM (5H6zj)

425
In 2008 Romney < McCain < Obama.

So nominating Romney in 2012 makes perfect sense.

Posted by: GOP Braniacs Rove, Kristol, Krauthammer et. al. at October 25, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)

426 346 And I can see that an individual mandate is a Very Bad Thing. Romney still supports his individual mandate.Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 25, 2011 04:20 PM (8y9MW)

If I am elected, my second executive order (after first reinstituting DADT)will be tooutlaw all man dates! And down with the Tenth Amendment!!!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at October 25, 2011 04:38 PM (vjyZP)

427 Its the Illuminati? No, the Trilateral Commission? Uh, the Mafia and Cuba? Why do you speak in riddles? Is this the premise for a new Dan Brown book? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:23 PM (OWjjx) ========Nothing I clickon the top of the windowchanges anything.

Since you asked.I think since the mandate, is the only issue that can be called unconsitutional... the "conservatives"got together and decided they would scapegoat Romney as the author of it, and.........then"conservatives" could avoid the blame for the only part of Obamacare that is unconstitutional.Of course Obama would want to scapegoat Romney over it. And the "conservatives" decided to join with Obama over it. Both the right and left agreed to finger Romney.Romney however, didn't go along with the plan to make him the scapegoat. So the knives of all "conservatives" have been out for him because he didn't agree to take the fall for their ideas.Therefore, you get the war against Romney within the "conservative" part of the party.Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh... what changed? Romney is exactly the same. What changed?I'd love to hear what Limbaugh thought about Newt's plan back around the time of Hillarycare... I bet he supported it too! But now he rewrites history, to make Romney the only one.All the lies against Romney are nothing, it is typicalCover-Your-Butt by "conservatives".

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:38 PM (hgrmi)

428 Ace Corp. can't put lipstick on this pig and that's just fact.

We don't have a thread going now on this, but I want to remind morons that I went on record right away when that WaPost piece came out that so long as Marco didn't double down on his version, he should be fine continuing as a U.S. Senator, even tho he's out of this cycle as a VP candidate.

Well folks, he's gone and done it - he's doubled down:

http://tinyurl.com/3qurmu5

This is completely irresponsible, for him to go off on this ego trip and endanger a GOP seat we should have been able to count on for decades. As matters stand, we not only don't have him as a VP option for 2012, he's headed south as any sort of option for when the scales tip toward HAVING to go with a hispanic on the ticket, PLUS he's halfway to losing this senate seat. He had lots of ways to go on this attack, and what he's chosen to do is get up out of his foxhole without any body armor and make a single-handed charge on a battalion of machine guns. Next stop: he doubles down again, and we risk losing the hispanics forever.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 25, 2011 04:38 PM (vahvH)

429 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 25, 2011 04:38 PM (fyOgS)

430 Singyn: Turn your backs on Romney, and focus your effort and energy on Congress.

If you were intelligent, you would realize that given your premise, the best route to achieving said goal is to run a moderate like Romney who will have coat-tails in the moderate midwest and rust-belt.

Not a bible-thumping, birth-questioning, culture-war igniter (ie. Perry) who will turn off midwestern suburban and exurban voters (ie. the people who voted in Sen. Mark Kirk, but pulled for Gov. Quinn over Bill Brady in IL).

But who needs to think these things out?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (YW11a)

431 Just admit you guys did the psychological analog of
the #OWS crew in banding together against this idea, this nebulous
anti-Romney concept which was amazingly lacking 4 year ago when Ace and
crew was all on board. Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (YW11a)

Let's put things in perspective. 4 years ago, when Mitt Romney lost to a fat guy who pardoned a thousand people, he was largely an unknown quantity.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (FkKjr)

432 359 I don't really assume that. Mitt is such that he will create his own destroyer, just like last time.

Then he will not be our nominee and we will have to worry about whoever else is.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (d6QMz)

433 I'm loving the inability of the so-called arch-conservatives to admit
they picked the wrong candidate -- who, frankly, is is walking,
stumbling, disaster -- in Rick Perry as a sudden emotive impulse to pick
the 'anybody-but-Romney' candidate.

Technically, none of us picked anyone until the time comes to vote. But sure, the optimism that accompanied Perry into the primary has died. Badly. I'm not sure why you think that's news.

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (sOXQX)

434 I love the smell of scorched earth in the evening.

Posted by: Obama at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (I9fXA)

435 So nominating Romney in 2012 makes perfect sense.
Posted by: GOP Braniacs Rove, Kristol, Krauthammer et. al. at October 25, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)
Reagan lost in 76 to Ford who lost to carter
4 years later Reagan beat Carter
i'm enjoying the bash Romney stuff but let's use common sense

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:40 PM (yAor6)

436 "Really though where's my choice in an election if it's between Obama and a guy that should be a frigging democrat? why not stay home?"

Hard as it may be to accept, presidential elections are not all about you. We're casting a vote for the least bad candidate, dude, not choosing who gets to deflower your maidenhood.

Sadly, while y'all wait for someone truly worthy of your Mighty Vote of Personal and Absolute Approval, there's a pretty awful President in the White House doing some pretty horrible things to the country where the rest of us live.

Posted by: Galos Gann at October 25, 2011 04:40 PM (T3KlW)

437 Personally, I'd rather have 4 more years of O under that scenario, if
only to watch multiple impeachment proceedings and corresponding
arrests.

Hah. Good One. Plus I don't need a congress or constitution, I just do whatever I want.

Posted by: first black prez at October 25, 2011 04:41 PM (xOy1A)

438 Rick Perry just came out in support of Kasich

Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (wuv1c)

439 Posted by: nevergiveup at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (i6RpT)

Good point. And..we are more than one year from the election, and 10 months from the convention. What we see today is going to be a hazy memory, or totally unimportant and forgotten when people actually have to vote.

If we juxtapose McCain and his awful campaign with the 2012 election, my guess is that McCain would win.

2008 was a perfect storm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (UYLrj)

440 I think since the mandate, is the only issue that can be called unconsitutional... the "conservatives"got together and decided they would scapegoat Romney as the author of it, and...
......then"conservatives" could avoid the blame for the only part of Obamacare that is unconstitutional.
And the conspiracy widens! Next........how "the conservatives" caused the Financial Meltdown that lead to TARP so they could enrich themselves.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (OWjjx)

441 Sadly, while y'all wait for someone truly worthy of your Mighty Vote of Personal and Absolute Approval, there's a pretty awful President in the White House doing some pretty horrible things to the country where the rest of us live.
^^ THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (sbV1u)

442 Not a bible-thumping, birth-questioning, culture-war
igniter Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (YW11a)

I am enticed by your honeyed words. Like watching a door to door salesman piss on my lawn.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (FkKjr)

443 That's actually another reason for a Real Conservative. Even if he runs
a "meh" campaign, I think the Tea Parties will step in with GOTV and
keep their own base engaged. I don't see that happening as much if
Romney is the nominee.

Except that the base will be motivated already by the prospect of dumping Obama. It's not the GOP base that's going to decide the election- it almost never is.

Besides, all Romney would have to do if he wins the nomination is name a popular conservative as running mate, thus giving conservatives the same excuse we used when holding our noses and voting for McCain in the 2008 general election.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (SY2Kh)

444 >>>The DC party establishment is the enemy. If we have to destroy the GOP half of it first by cutting Romney's legs out from under him, so be it. I'd prefer the nominee was someone supportable, though.
Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 03:46 PM (sOXQX)

Some of us think liberals are the enemy. For my part, I think people who want to destroy the party I support are the enemy.

Posted by: Paul at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (DsHk0)

445 Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh...

Was he drinking?

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 04:43 PM (sOXQX)

446 Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:32 PM (YW11a)

We are all waiting for something, now aren't we?

I'm still waiting to see you write a single positive thing here that doesn't contain an insult or toot your own fuckin horn.

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:43 PM (4CSeG)

447 Then he will not be our nominee and we will have to worry about whoever else is.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (d6QMz)
Yeah, but then I'll have nothing to talk about during compiles.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:43 PM (FkKjr)

448 Posted by: Ben at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (wuv1c)

Maybe he's getting smarter...and certainly more nimble.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 25, 2011 04:43 PM (UYLrj)

449 100 Seems like AOSHQ is doing its best redstate impression of going full jackass for Perry.
Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 03:38 PM (I+xVl)

Agree about redstate.com. There is an almost cult-like devotion to Perry over there. It's actually starting to become creepy.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 25, 2011 04:45 PM (b68Df)

450 Mittens supporter says Mittens implemented 'conservative ideas' with MassCare.
Lawlz.

Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 04:46 PM (XxXUI)

451 Let me explain something for people who don't live in Wisconsin, AKA "that other state with a very similar bill". Our governor Scott Walker became famous for legislation like this, and it's becoming increasingly likely that he's going to be recalled a year into his term. His approval ratings are lower than the SCOAMF's, hovering around the low 30's. So Romney, who has never been one of these "it's OK to lose as long as you stick to your principles, or something" people is going to stay the hell away from endorsing anything like this, and I don't blame him.

Posted by: Paul at October 25, 2011 04:46 PM (DsHk0)

452 Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh... Was he drinking?
No, Limbaugh just really, really hates John McCain.
But, as I said in the earlier thread, he was the guy that got drunk and slept with the fat ugly chick......and we all know how your buddies handle that.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:46 PM (OWjjx)

453
Reagan lost in 76 to Ford who lost to carter
4 years later Reagan beat Carter
i'm enjoying the bash Romney stuff but let's use common sense

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who
Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:40 PM (yAor6)
So you're saying Romney = Reagan.

Take your own advice and use some common sense.

Posted by: GOP Brainiacs Rove, Kristol, Krauthammer et. al. at October 25, 2011 04:46 PM (7+pP9)

454
Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh...

No. Rush Limbaugh said the only conservative was Fred Thompson.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (FkKjr)

455 With so much time left, I'm trying, really trying to keep an open mind about this guy, because he may end up being the candidate. But themore I hear, the less there is to be impressed by.
Thanks, Drew. Stuff like this is like a little candid camera snapshot they hoped you wouldn't get, or a tiny window into someone's character that may not be open again.

Posted by: RM at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (TRsME)

456 #224 it's not an issue all Republicans support or it wouldn't be polling to lose by 25%. I agree with it and wish Romney would have taken a stronger stance but I also have a habit if cutting my nose off to spite my face. Working on correcting that flaw.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (IqM9e)

457 Not a bible-thumping, birth-questioning, culture-war igniter Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:39 PM (YW11a)I am enticed by your honeyed words. Like watching a door to door aluminum siding salesman piss on my lawn.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (FkKjr)

FIFM

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (4q5tP)

458 We're going to use 4% of the health insurance market as a pretext to nationalize the whole thing, but we're going to do it in a prudent,conservative way, dammit.

Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (XxXUI)

459 reggie, that's said about almost every site that supports a specific candidate.

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:47 PM (h+qn8)

460 Rush was pushing Romney as the alternative to McCain, who openly hates conservatives. He was selling out and playing politics (as Rush often does, which is annoying to me) in the election, trying to find someone to beat Obama who sucked less than McCain.


Like it or not, Romney will not get the base fired up, will not get conservative votes, and will annoy the very people he has to rely on to win, like McCain did.


He will guarantee another Obama administration if he's the nominee. Someone else must be the choice than Huntsman or Romney, period.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 04:48 PM (r4wIV)

461 when are the final votes for the primary over?

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:48 PM (h+qn8)

462 and like always the Romneybots jump in after everyone else jumps to a new thread

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:49 PM (yAor6)

463 Hell, i still want a real conservative to run.

:::::::::running::::::::

Posted by: willow-generic republican at October 25, 2011 04:50 PM (h+qn8)

464 I would vote for Mitt in the general, but I sure as hell won't in the primary.

Posted by: real joe at October 25, 2011 04:50 PM (xovnt)

465 Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh...No. Rush Limbaugh said the only conservative was Fred Thompson.
Truth isn't the point.

Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (XxXUI)

466 Some of us think liberals are the enemy. For my part, I think people who want to destroy the party I support are the enemy.

If your principle priority is supporting the GOP establishment, then yes, we're enemies. And we're better off being honest about it.

Posted by: Methos at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (sOXQX)

467 Posted by: GOP Brainiacs Rove, Kristol, Krauthammer et. al. at October 25, 2011 04:46 PM (7+pP9)
no dumbass i'm saying a guy who lost 4 years ago can win 4 years later, just like Thomas Fucking Jefferson did against Adams
so again use common sense

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (yAor6)

468 450
Mittens supporter says Mittens implemented 'conservative ideas' with MassCare.
Lawlz.

Nope. Newt Gingrich said that. You just stick your fingers in your ears and say lalalalallalalla. Wouldn't want any truth to sneak in.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (hgrmi)

469 This election is shaping up to be some sort of epic national bar fight.
And it's not just that Mitt doesn't have our back, it's that he's standing there with a white rag over his shoulder still asking a many of the trouble makers "what'll ya have" oblivious to what's just ahead.

He just want's to tend bar. That's all he's got.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (HBqDo)

470 459 reggie, that's said about almost every site that supports a specific candidate.
I don't believe that redstate.com has ever officiallydeclared itself a Rick Perry fansite. It's supposed to be a conservative blog, but if you criticize Perry over there you get dogpiled. It's almost as if you've committed blasphemy.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (b68Df)

471 No. Rush Limbaugh said the only conservative was Fred Thompson.
No, no, no. On the Monday before Super Tuesday in 2008, El Rushbo was out there shilling for Romney. Sorry, but I am the asshole buddy that reminds you about your drunken stupidity, not the nice one who pretends it never happens.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:52 PM (OWjjx)

472 I would vote for Mitt in the general, but I sure as hell won't in the primary.

Yup.


Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 04:53 PM (4CSeG)

473 Nope. Newt Gingrich said that. You just stick your fingers in your ears and say lalalalallalalla. Wouldn't want any truth to sneak in.
You blistering imbecile there is no conservative way to nationalize healthcare.
I don't care if the pope said it.
You don't actually know what the word means.

Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 04:53 PM (XxXUI)

474 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:52 PM (OWjjx)
+1

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 25, 2011 04:53 PM (yAor6)

475 400 Some of us won't have the
chance to vote because it will be over after the early states. So this
is our best chance at influence, although it is extremely small it makes
our grindstone feel oiled.

The fact that the early states pick still does not necessarily mean that Romney is going to win. In order to win, he must move the needle above 25% and relieve conservative fears about him, and he clearly is doing the opposite. His lack of personal charm is also going to hamper him, unless the early primary state voters decide solely on debating skills. If they do, it says something about Republican voters.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 04:53 PM (d6QMz)

476 No, no, no. On the Monday before Super Tuesday in
2008, El Rushbo was out there shilling for Romney. Sorry, but I am the
asshole buddy that reminds you about your drunken stupidity, not the
nice one who pretends it never happens.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:52 PM (OWjjx)
We've been over this and done the dueling quotes before. Rush said Mitt was the most conservative guy left (which still wasn't true). Rush said explicitly the only conservative in the race was Fred Thompson.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 04:55 PM (FkKjr)

477 Miss'80s,

Just curious to know who you might be for?

Posted by: macintx at October 25, 2011 04:56 PM (ucs8Y)

478 Twenty yearsof political cowardice under my belt. I'd be a fool to quit now!


Just ten moreyears, and Iqualify for fullretirement.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 04:56 PM (w41GQ)

479 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 25, 2011 04:01 PM (Mh8D2)

Bullshit. I never said I'd vote for Obama.

You either an asshole or a liar. Pick one.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 25, 2011 04:57 PM (ehlWj)

480 I'm still waiting to see you write a single positive thing here that doesn't contain an insult or toot your own fuckin horn.

Positive? Somewhat hard to do when this site is so singularly negative on Mitt Romney, who just happens to have the best chance of victory (both as president and in Congree via down-ticket coattails). And that's an objective fact, look at the polling since... well, forever.

Oh, you ment I should just get in-line with the site and boost a candidate in Rick Perry that really is a stuttering cluster-fuck lacking in rudimentary knowledge about the global economy or international relations?

What would you do about a nuclear Pakistan in open revolt? 'Uh, consult, uh, drill our precious natural resources here at home..'

Ok, Rick. Good show buddy.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 04:58 PM (YW11a)

481 You know, I would love to stay here some more and argue about Romney, Rush, or maybe explain to petunia how to post quotes here (seriously, take your computer, hit yourself in the head) but I gotta get something done today. And all arguments among friends (or, at least my friends in the internet world) should always end with
Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Misreable Failure.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:58 PM (OWjjx)

482 465
Romneycare was plenty conservative in 2008. Romney was called the only real conservative by Rush Limbaugh...

No. Rush Limbaugh said the only conservative was Fred Thompson.
Truth isn't the point.Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 04:51 PM (XxXUI) Do I really have to go find the stupid quote? Last week it was all over, Rush saying it, then it was him quoted in print....I'm sure it was after Fred dropped out...Rush doesn't support the guy who will win. If he did, he wouldn't be able to keep saying nasty things later.Rush said Romney was the only true conservative in the race. Before the Primary in 2008.What changed? Rick Perry is certainly not more conservative with his tuition for immigrants and his have a heart talk... and calling us all racists in that second debate... Who is more conservative? Santorum? Pretty sure there was a time when he supported the mandate too. Newt? Not hardly."Conservative" means anyone but Romney to many of you.But it used to mean sticking to your principles and doing conservative things... but even Reagan had not so conservative things to point to.There is a double standard when it comes to Romney.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 04:58 PM (hgrmi)

483 You either an asshole or a liar. Pick one.
Wait (I know I said I was leaving, but then I saw this)
I just have one question........can't I be both?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 25, 2011 04:59 PM (OWjjx)

484 Rush said Romney filled all three legs of the stool of conservatism. And he was the only one.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 05:00 PM (hgrmi)

485 Positive? Somewhat hard to do when this site is so singularly
negative on Mitt Romney, who just happens to have the best chance of
victory (both as president and in Congree via down-ticket coattails).
And that's an objective fact, look at the polling since... well,
forever.

Yep, back in 2007 I remember the polling said that Mitt was inevitable in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 05:03 PM (FkKjr)

486 Bridgekeeper: Stop! What ... is your name?
Romney: SirMitt of Massachussetts
Bridgekeeper: What ... is your quest?
Romney:I seek the political holy grail.
Bridgekeeper: What ... is your favorite color?
Romney: Blue. No, yell...
[he is thrown over the edge]
Romney: Auuuuugh!!


Moral of the story: flip flopping will do you in every time.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 25, 2011 05:05 PM (4q5tP)

487 Rush said Romney filled all three legs of the stool of conservatism. And he was the only one.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 05:00 PM (hgrmi)

Wow. And to think my 1 vote means as much as Rush's 1 vote.
Isn't that amazing? Like, doesn't it blow your mind that it doesn't really matter what Rush said years ago and we still get to vote for whomever we want?
Wow, man. Far out.


Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 05:05 PM (4CSeG)

488 Rush said Romney filled all three legs of the stool of conservatism. And he was the only one.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 05:00 PM (hgrmi)
Comparing him to Huckabee and McCain, who were the only guys left. When Fred Thompson was in the race, Limbaugh said, "The only conservative in the race is Fred Thompson."

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 25, 2011 05:06 PM (FkKjr)

489 477
Miss'80s,


Just curious to know who you might be for?

Governor Perry. As a Texan, I am used to his shortcomings but also know his strengths. His lack of rhetorical skill in debates and some other things about him bother me but I feel he would do the job well, and that matters more. Besides, he is good at speeches and relating to people one-on-one, so it is not like he is incapable of communicating his message; he is just a lousy debater.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 25, 2011 05:08 PM (d6QMz)

490 Rush said Romney was filled all three legs of the stool of conservatism.
FIFY

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 25, 2011 05:10 PM (kaOJx)

491 And speaking of stuttering-clusterfuck, after that debate he stops by a frat house instead of the spin-room or going on TV?

Really, after 2008 and a solid 6 years of the democrats cultivating a cultural meme about a texan cowboy president and his frat-boy buddies run wild and amuck in the White House -- Rick Perry, a governor from Texas, goes to a fucking frat house post-debate?

What was he thinking? Is he thinking?

We're actually considering a guy who would do the above? The optics on
that are horrible; the thinking and prudence it shows are non-existent. This is an Obama 'more-of-the-same-Bush' advertisement delivered to a door on Michigan Ave.

I honestly believe for many arch-conservatives this is more about psychological vindication of their residual pain from the last few years of the Bush Administration than it is about actually, you know, winning and moving forward. 'Everything they beat us down on -- yeah, we'll run on that and win and shove it in their face...' Really mature. Like a hippy.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 05:10 PM (YW11a)

492 You need to remember (if it hasn't been pointed out already): Mitts first foray into politics, his formative years, were in MI--heavy union. In fact, didn't he pull some union endorsements from MI the last GOP go-round? That is another reason we cannot have him anywhere near the White House.

Come to think of it, I know Perry has blasted the NLRB, but Romney?

"I may or may not support or disapprove of what the NLRB is or is not doing."
/s/
Mitt Romney

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 25, 2011 05:10 PM (hROVJ)

493 Rick Perry, a governor from Texas, goes to a fucking frat house post-debate?

He could have cured cancer and shot Fidel Castro post-debate with a spear gun and you wouldn't support him. Why pretend?

Posted by: sifty at October 25, 2011 05:13 PM (4CSeG)

494 493
Rick Perry, a governor from Texas, goes to a fucking frat house post-debate?

Who fucking cares?

Posted by: mpfs, I want Rick Perry to #OccupyMyPants. at October 25, 2011 05:20 PM (iYbLN)

495 He could have cured cancer and shot Fidel Castro post-debate with a spear gun and you wouldn't support him. Why pretend?

Just like you pretend to know about me?

His flat tax proposal is very promising, I've been an intellectual advocate since before Forbes in 2000. I cut him a lot more slack on the illegal immigration issue than many here. I like his strong support for his personal beliefs and religious convictions. He would be a solid choice in another election year.

That doesn't change the fact that he lacks the knowledge or intellect, he isn't well prepared enough to go one-to-one with Obama, much less run the country. He lacks the financial background, the international experience and - frankly - the temperament.

He's just holding the wrong cards in his hand for 2012: he's a southern conservative with a strong emphasis on culture. That will lose us the election, do the regressions on published demographic and polling data. I'm sorry.


Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 25, 2011 05:21 PM (YW11a)

496 It's His Turn.
Couldn't we go with "He already had his turn".

Posted by: DaveA at October 25, 2011 05:22 PM (NiR5U)

497 I saw the whole comment by Mittens, and it's not as bad as MSNBC called it.

Don't blame me when you wake up in January 2013 and Obams rips off his mask to reveal...the Zombie Hugo Chavez.


Posted by: Conservative Purish at October 25, 2011 05:37 PM (DQHjw)

498
"“Gov. Romney believes that the citizens of
states should be able to make decisions about important matters of
policy that affect their states on their own.”"

unless the state votes for tuition to illegals, not healtchcare like he did, but whatever

Posted by: Heartless Nora who doesn't think giving illegals in-state tuition breaks is cool at October 25, 2011 03:58 PM (VxqUc)
Holy shit, I mean, I put my disgust with Romney's flip-flopping, slick-talking up there with anyone--but damned if he isn't a sleeze. I mean, it's all "hands-off" for the issue that is hot and relevant today, but he'll tear in like a pitbull on something that happened years ago and not too many care about. What. An. Ass.

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 25, 2011 05:39 PM (hROVJ)

499

Sorry, but Mitt's just a little too untrustworthy for me. This year I'm voting Libertarian.

-Judas Iscariot

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 25, 2011 05:40 PM (oBrVT)

500 Besides, all Romney would have to do if he wins the nomination is name a popular conservative as running mate, thus giving conservatives the same excuse we used when holding our noses and voting for McCain in the 2008 general election.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 25, 2011 04:42 PM (SY2Kh)
Because that worked so well last time...whereupon everyone proceeded to dump on that popular conservative running mate when shit started to hit the fan due to the incompetency of the top of of the ticket.
Considering that Romney's crew pulled out the knives for that popular conservative running mate, any other new up and coming conservative better stay the hell away from them. Team Romney is full of backstabbing little bastards.
Goddamn it, and I was so excited for '12. Every man for themselves now.

Posted by: TexMex817 at October 25, 2011 05:40 PM (hFuFE)

501
I know he said he would issue an executive order and have Obamacare repealed, but has he ever said Romneycare was a bad idea and that he'd oppose it if he had to do it all over again? Last I heard him talk about it he was lauding it but also hiding behind the 10th amendment, which means to me that he thinks that it's fine and dandy for government to screw you as long as it's done at the consitutionally appropriate level.Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 25, 2011 04:18 PM (JxMoP) You must know that this is not Mitt's plan.Romney can't repeal Obamacare, the congress can, and he will sign it when they get it to him.Romney can issue a blanket waiver so that it doesn't become part of what people expect government to do for them while Congress does it's job of repealing Obamacare.He can't end Obamacare with an executive order. No one can do that.Then he will get congress to strenghth legislation allowing Health savings accounts and selling insurance accross state lines and a bunch of other stuff that should help bring down costs!I don't know why the lies never stop. Is it lack of research? Why do the same lies keep showing up as though no one ever set the record straight?

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 05:45 PM (hgrmi)

502 Rick Perry had a problem convincing people he isn't an idiot . Now, people think he's an idiot and an asshole.

Posted by: Winning at October 25, 2011 05:47 PM (I+xVl)

503 Besides, all Romney would have to do if he wins the nomination is name a popular conservative as running mate, thus giving conservatives the same excuse we used when holding our noses and voting for McCain in the 2008 general election.


And lose like McCain in 2008. Great strategy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 05:48 PM (r4wIV)

504 Besides, all Romney would have to do if he wins the nomination is name a popular conservative as running mate, thus giving conservatives the same excuse we used when holding our noses and voting for McCain in the 2008 general election.
Dude lost Indiana and Ohio. Those aren't even swing states.

Posted by: Entropy at October 25, 2011 05:49 PM (MGZjj)

505 504
Ohio isn't a swing state? Er, what about "as Ohio goes so goes the rest of the nation"?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 25, 2011 05:52 PM (b68Df)

506
Hmmmm it seems the "real conservatives" are the ones no body ever votes for. It happened in 2008 and now again in 2011, "Real Conservatives" are suposed to be the ones that "the base" wants. But the only solid support this year is for Romney. All the others have the fad and trend followers jumping here and there and everywhere... but Romney's supportis steady and sure.
Ijudging bythe last two elections, no "real conservative" ever gets much support.
Could it be that you all don't really know what it means to be conservative, and you just like who you like, and call the other guy not conservative?
Yep. Real conservative means very few people want them... interesting.

Posted by: petunia at October 25, 2011 05:52 PM (hgrmi)

507 I was so excited for '12. Every man for themselves now.


Everyone on the right seems desperate to find the slightest reason to hate any real conservative candidates and attack them. And while that happens, the GOP old school country club guys in the Northeast slip their boy Romney in and Obama is guaranteed another term.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 05:55 PM (r4wIV)

508 503 Besides, all Romney would have to do if he wins the nomination is name a popular conservative as running mate, thus giving conservatives the same excuse we used when holding our noses and voting for McCain in the 2008 general election.
And lose like McCain in 2008. Great strategy.

McCain lost because of the financial crisis that began in Sept 2008. Before it's onset, McCain/Palin were leading in the polls.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 25, 2011 05:55 PM (b68Df)

509 Actually McCain lost because of his reaction to the financial crisis: Halt the campaigns and everyone meet in DC to plan a strategy. To which Obama replied, I can do two things at once, i.e. campaign and react to the financial crisis. It made McCain look stupid, and it was all downhill from there. The fact that McCain's own campaign staff was overtly doing everything it could to destroy his choice for VP didn't help much either.

Posted by: OCBill at October 25, 2011 06:08 PM (YJvVE)

510 McCain lost because key red states turned blue.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2011 06:09 PM (YdQQY)

511 Petunia's not really an AoSHQ poster.

The total lack of a sense of humor is a dead give-away.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 06:47 PM (VKRmb)

512 510
McCain lost because key red states turned blue.

Wow, they just magically turned blue! Must be demographics or something!

No, McCain lost because he's a fossilized dill-weed and has no principles other than "reaching across the aisle."

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 06:50 PM (VKRmb)

513 Rino Romney or BO? With BO we will have gridlock (and that's good folks), with Rino, we probably will see the validation of the Obamacare and some old fashion wall street bullshit. If the repubs advance this rectal mass, I'm done with them.

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at October 25, 2011 06:51 PM (eklDm)

514 "We" white man?

Posted by: Montjoie at October 25, 2011 06:58 PM (sBpR/)

515 Actually McCain lost because of his reaction to the financial crisis


Yeah he had momentum and could have turned it into victory, but instead of standing tall and for the American people he just went to Washington and voted "me too." Great leadership, you chump.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 25, 2011 06:59 PM (r4wIV)

516 The weight of conviction is too burdensome.

Posted by: Flipper Mittens at October 25, 2011 07:00 PM (FabC8)

517 Down ballot races are, in fact, more important than the Presidency. With BO we will have gridlock (and that's good folks),

We'd like you to think this.

Posted by: teh EPA (You'd look good on a bi-cycle) at October 25, 2011 07:13 PM (NiR5U)

518 Is there a point 514?

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at October 25, 2011 07:13 PM (eklDm)

519 This could have been a teachable moment for someone. Union pensions are one of those entitlements that are going to HAVE to take a major haircut or the country goes tits up. The Treasury bailed out/stole GM but there's nobody to bail out the Treasury.

Posted by: DaveA at October 25, 2011 07:16 PM (NiR5U)

520 go, MITT, go .......... go and win.

Posted by: bruno at October 25, 2011 07:18 PM (QQB3D)

521 21 I liked the Hotair poll. It asks if you'd vote for a Lawn Gnome over Obama.
Is there even any question?
Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 03:33 PM (VKRmb)
It depends, who is the Lawn Gnome's running mate?
(It better not be some RINO flamingo...)

Posted by: Thelma Lou at October 25, 2011 08:06 PM (WDySP)

522 Actually McCain lost because of his reaction to the financial crisis: Halt the campaigns and everyone meet in DC to plan a strategy. To which Obama replied, I can do two things at once, i.e. campaign and react to the financial crisis. It made McCain look stupid, and it was all downhill from there. The fact that McCain's own campaign staff was overtly doing everything it could to destroy his choice for VP didn't help much either.

That certainly didn't help McCain, but it didn't make all the difference. The onset of the crisis took place on GWB's watch, and that's the core thing that independents took intoaccount. The point is that McCain didn't lose because conservatives stayed at home, it was because independents decided they wantedas radical a departure from GWB as was available.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 25, 2011 08:30 PM (0DGtF)

523 "We're going to nominate this guy? Really?"

Not only are you going to nominate him you are going to vote for him; feel good about it when he kicks Obama ass; and cheer him on when he implements his 20-20-20 tax plan.

You know why? Because it comes down to it you are team players.

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524

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525 Is Paul Ryan very, VERY sure???

Sorry, but if we lose to the SC...etc, then what the fuck will Christie & co. have to say about the ruin that will be this nation after 4 more years of this shit??

*fuming & not making sense*

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530 Ohio isn't a swing state? Er, what about "as Ohio goes so goes the rest of the nation"?

Ohio is a swing state like Pennsylvania is a swing state, but mirrored.

At a presidential level Republicans need, and should damn well get, Ohio.

Posted by: Entropy at October 26, 2011 01:10 AM (MGZjj)

531 511Petunia's not really an AoSHQ poster.

The total lack of a sense of humor is a dead give-away.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 25, 2011 06:47 PM (VKRmb) =======Very funny.

Posted by: petunia at October 26, 2011 04:42 AM (hgrmi)

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Posted by: anna lucia at October 26, 2011 05:09 AM (ioWrV)

533 Everyone needs to convertone Romney supporter every week.. Working on my third and toughest so far. I don'tchampion anyone in particular, Ijustask them to push off the Romney wagon.

Posted by: moemo at October 26, 2011 09:35 AM (cey9b)

534 Yes, you people really are going to nominate that guy. You're going to nominate him because the base of the GOP talks a good game about how you need a true conservative and how you won't allow any RINO's or squishes, but then you fall in line and back whoever the establishment of the Republican Party annoints. At least with presidential candidates, you do it every time. Every.single.time.
You fell in line and went with McCain...with predictable results. And this time you're going to go with a very middle-of-the-road Romney. Think that's going to work better for you this time?
Keep up the good work, GOP.

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