BREAKING: US Pulling All Troops Out Of Iraq By End Of Year

Obama making the announcement now.

This is on the schedule negotiated by George W. Bush but it had been thought that some US troops (trainers and special forces at least) would stay as part of a negotiated deal with the Iraqis. Now, that's not going to happen.

Obama is simply going to declare victory an end and be done with it.

Today the President will announce that we will fulfill our commitment and complete the drawdown of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of the year, a White House official said in a statement. This will allow us to say definitively that the Iraq war is over, and that the partnership between the US and Iraq will be a normal one between two sovereign nations.

The failure to reach an agreement could pose security problems for the Iraqi government, still largely divided by sect and ethnicity, and for an Obama administration that inherited the war but has pledged an orderly withdrawal.

If sectarian strife or other violence should break out in Iraq once U.S. forces have left, Obama could be blamed, particularly by his conservative critics, for abandoning Iraq after nearly nine years of war before it was ready to protect itself.

Iran's pretty happy today. The Saudis? Probably not so much.

Was the sticking point the Iraqis?

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:51 PM



Comments

1
and what of Gitmo?

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 12:52 PM (G/zuv)

2 Barak Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. No asterisk this time.

Posted by: kathysaysso at October 21, 2011 12:53 PM (ZtwUX)

3 Pulling out every trick in the book to shore up his approval rating before elections.

Hope nothing goes wrong...

Posted by: EC at October 21, 2011 12:53 PM (GQ8sn)

4 Well, just so long as his liberal base is happy. Amiright?

Posted by: Jay-Z at October 21, 2011 12:53 PM (LyOUH)

5
See what Obama is doing?

He's a sneaky fuck.

He's planning on using the returning vets to push his socialistic domestic policy and to hurt the GOP in 2012.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 12:54 PM (G/zuv)

6 Yeah, who the fuck needs soldiers in a country bordering Iran....

Posted by: Elize Nayden at October 21, 2011 12:54 PM (i4gLS)

7 Try to salvage your reputation with the loony left, much?

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at October 21, 2011 12:54 PM (SzAZ7)

8 I pulled out once. Didn't like it.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 21, 2011 12:55 PM (OhYCU)

9 Okay, I'm confused. Does this count as fulfilling a promise, or will this turn out to have an expiration date, or is this breaking another promise or what?
That being said, God bless the troops.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 21, 2011 12:55 PM (VtjlW)

10 Fox reported that the Iraqis would no longer agree to give US troops immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws.

If that's the case, then yeah- let 'em defend themselves, pull our guys and gals out. I wouldn't want to see our troops subject to Iraq's criminal justice system as corrupt as they are.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (Jl4kG)

11
What's is this prick gonna' have left for an October Suprise next year?

Posted by: Dave at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (Xm1aB)

12 First of all I dont really give a rats ass about Iraq, but by having 50,000 or so American Troops stationed there, on bases and not in the cities, on the Border with Iran we are making a statement. By with drawing ALL troops and running, we are also making a statement. And Iran is reading the signals very clearly.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (i6RpT)

13 oh, I'm sure nothing bad could come of this. oh wait. what?

It can?

Posted by: Vergeltung at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (jttPx)

14 @10

If true, then I'm with Obama on this one.

Posted by: Dave at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (Xm1aB)

15 Why does Obama always talk about our troops being unemployed once they return home?

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (ze29X)

16 Good. We shouldn't be spending our $ and our soldiers' lives, mind, and bodies for that clusterfuck of a "country". Now let's start repatriating Iraqis (except for those who assisted us and are therefore at risk of death).

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (dZ756)

17 @10... then I agree. Pull them out and let them implode.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (qjUnn)

18 Into Iran, right?
No, wait, I don't want that. The JEPOS ROE would get American boys killed and not stop Iran.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (aD5Kx)

19 Fine. If Iraq goes to shit and the sacrifice of our troops is rendered worthless, Obama won't recover from that.

Posted by: Spiker at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (MaA4d)

20 So he's going to say he inherited this from Bush, right?

Posted by: Andy at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (5Rurq)

21 Fox reported that the Iraqis would no longer agree to give US troops immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws.

That's pathetic when your President is so inept he can't negotiate with Iraqis at the point of a gun.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (OhYCU)

22 Thats not thinking ahead, thats a lot of votes they can't toss out

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (FIDMq)

23 They want to get the troops home in time to have a McRib.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (ieDPL)

24 The comet must be getting pretty close if he is bringing the troops home to keep order while the elite head to the shelters. Or maybe it isn't the comet, but the conservatives that are getting pretty close. Either way, the elite will soon be heading to the shelters.

Posted by: Errol at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (vewos)

25 He's planning on using the returning vets to push his socialistic domestic policy and to hurt the GOP in 2012.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 12:54 PM (G/zuv)One mistake that we always make is that the Left has an elaborate 12-stage plan for everything.But even with the "brilliant" and "strategic" Clinton administration, they were just underpants gnomes.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (T0NGe)

26 If the only thing keeping Iraq from going to shit is the permanent presence of American troops then there's something very, very wrong.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (dZ756)

27 His speech didn't mention victory at all.

Posted by: Truman North at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (I2LwF)

28 Cain: "Whew"

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (OhYCU)

29 The number of ways he has not thought this through stagger the mind. And that's just on the domestic end!

Posted by: Sheepish Earth First Arsonist at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (GBXon)

30 Now Iraq has a whole year to fall completely apart on O's watch.

Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (wDzxx)

31 Fox reported that the Iraqis would no longer agree to give US troops immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws.

If that's the case, then yeah- let 'em defend themselves, pull our guys and gals out. I wouldn't want to see our troops subject to Iraq's criminal justice system as corrupt as they are.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 21, 2011 12:56 PM (Jl4kG)


Because like everything else obama mishandled this. By announcing we were getting out before negotiating things like immunity we lose our bargaining position. Why would a scrunt like Maliki side with us when all we are showing is weakness. He went the player who was showing the best hand Iran. This is a disaster. We are withdrawing from all around the globe and shredding the Defense budget. Our enemies can read

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (i6RpT)

32 17? I had hoped to take 20 ships.

Posted by: Lord Horation Nelson at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (O8eoG)

33 Hey, this seems vaguely familiar.

Posted by: The Hmong at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (JxMoP)

34 Burning the sock...

Posted by: DarkLord sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada!
at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (GBXon)

35


Helicopters on the Baghdad Embassy roof in three, two, one....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 21, 2011 12:59 PM (oBrVT)

36 decades of foreign policy is being unwound on the JEF's watch.

Decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vergeltung at October 21, 2011 12:59 PM (jttPx)

37
With SCOAMFIC, I'm glad they're coming home so no more die needlessly because ofan incoherent foreign policy.
This does not bode well for the Iraqis who have to try to fend off Iran without us.

Posted by: Dax at October 21, 2011 12:59 PM (GRJTc)

38 Yep, this is for the campaign. He has been doing that a lot lately, ie, the class warfare crap. I have always hated the short term political use of our troops, but God Bless Them.

PS - don't accept an assignment to the embassy in Iraq.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 12:59 PM (xOy1A)

39 Kurds apply en masse to immigrate to the US in 3...2...1...

Posted by: DarkLord sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada!
at October 21, 2011 01:00 PM (GBXon)

40 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

And, if they're smart, the Kurds will never, ever trust us again. Thanks, GHW and Obumbles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:00 PM (8y9MW)

41 27
His speech didn't mention victory at all.

Posted by: Truman North at October 21, 2011 12:58 PM (I2LwF)
And his very first words were about full filling a campaign promise. He is an asshole.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 21, 2011 01:00 PM (qjUnn)

42 10 Fox reported that the Iraqis would no longer agree to give US troops immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws.
-------------------------------

Whose going to arrest a US soldier? The Iraqi police?

Yeah, send a squad car over to the 9th Marine Regiment and see what happens.

Posted by: Spiker at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (MaA4d)

43
Politically this is good for Obama.

He can say:

-- it shows he's cleaning up the mess he inherited from Bush
-- he ended a major war that was draining our resources for the last 8 years
-- it is now time to "invest" in stuff at home (spend, spend, spend)

Don't argue with me on the merits of these points. It doesn't matter. This is strictly about the game of politics.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (G/zuv)

44 Helicopters on the Baghdad Embassy roof in three, two, one....
Iraq is likely now at this minute spiraling into chaos. Our guys are in more danger today than ever.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (OhYCU)

45 This does not bode well for the Iraqis who have to try to fend off Iran without us.
I am sure the Kurds are feeling all warm and fuzzy today. At least we've had our people in there training them for the better part of the last 20 years; hopefully they can defend themselves from the Arabs and the Turks.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (JxMoP)

46 @35, sad but true

Posted by: wfs1970 at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (+KmL5)

47 From last month: Some lawmakers want to keep 10,000 troops in Iraq

"The lawmakers were discussing media reports
that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta supported a plan to keep 3,000 to
4,000 U.S. troops in Iraq past the end of the year pullout deadline
agreed in a bilateral security pact.
'I
was not overjoyed when I heard 3,000. I have heard from (U.S.)
commanders in the field that they think we shouldn't go below 10
(thousand),' said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard McKeon,
a Republican who has been warning of the perils of cutting back U.S.
defense spending in general."

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (d6QMz)

48 so when do we haul ass from Afghanistan?

Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (6AXh/)

49 This is the thing.
He is clearly not incompetent. If he were, he would not have made such progress towards his goal of "fundamentally transforming" our nation: The economy, our military strength and respect, Obamacare, AGW, the loans, ...etc. He pointed at the back wall and swung and knocked it out of the park.
So, as unnatural as it feels to suggest it...
If he is not incompetent. Then his continued course down this path of destroying our position of strength, in all manner, tells of something more sinister.
I am convinced that he is setting us up to fail. Worse, that he is setting us up to fail in a violent and tragic and history-making way.
If one were supertitious, or very religious, certain paranoia might easily spring forth. I'm not altogether certain that we aren't actually witnessing evil do its deed.

Posted by: As If! at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (LyOUH)

50
17
@10... then I agree. Pull them out and let them implode.


Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (qjUnn)
A good president simply says, "No, it's not going to be that way and since you don't want us gone, you'll do what we say." I'm quite sure that (a) the Iraqis were posturing and would have given in on this point and (b) this is a convenient excuse for the Obama admin to do a pullout.We'll see. If Obama states that that's the one and only reason he's leaving, during his speech, then maybe it's the case.Of course, many Shia would love to be in a satellite state of Iran. They know who the strong horse is.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 21, 2011 01:02 PM (T0NGe)

51 More Bush policies for Obama. His base must be so pleased. /s

Posted by: Y-not at October 21, 2011 01:02 PM (5H6zj)

52
Or, the other option would be to tell the Iraqis "Fuck you, you haul just one of our American heroes into one of your fucked-up, ridiculous "courts" and we'll serve up some more shock-and-awe. We're here to keep a lid on all your crazies, to keep watch over the insane Iranians, and take your oil. Now, fuck the hell off you POS!"

Obama would do this, wouldn't he?

Posted by: Dave at October 21, 2011 01:02 PM (Xm1aB)

53 Now if we could just harvest our energy resources here at home and completely leave that shit hole called the middle east to it's own.

Posted by: Bosk at October 21, 2011 01:03 PM (n2K+4)

54 And his very first words were about full filling a campaign promise.

Yep, facts on the ground be damned, as long as Barky gets his fucking sound bite.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 21, 2011 01:03 PM (mjSSA)

55 27 His speech didn't mention victory at all
Whatever, as long as the jihadis can't claim victory.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at October 21, 2011 01:03 PM (xXhWA)

56 Actually, if a good status of forces agreement (SOFA) could not be negotiated pulling out is the right thing to do. I wonder though how hard the Administration tried to arrange a good SOFA.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at October 21, 2011 01:03 PM (SzAZ7)

57 I wonder though how hard the Administration tried to arrange a good SOFA.
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at October 21, 2011 01:03 PM (SzAZ7)


Is that rhetorical?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:04 PM (i6RpT)

58 Well its a good thing we went to war for oil, oh wait....it seems a little dry, metal is grinding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:04 PM (xOy1A)

59 and for an Obama administration that inherited the war but has pledged an orderly withdrawal.
You know what, fuckstick? If you didn't want to inherit stuff from the prior administration, you shouldn't have run.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 21, 2011 01:04 PM (VtjlW)

60 Turkey launches incursion into Iraq 10/19
"The conflict has killed tens of
thousands of people since 1984 as Kurdish politicians push for greater
cultural and political rights for Kurds, who make up around 20 percent
of Turkey's 74 million people. The Kurdish demands include the right to
education in the mother tongue, but the Turkish government fears could
deepen the country's ethnic divide....The
European Union, which Turkey is striving to join, has pushed the Turkish
government to grant more rights to the Kurds. But EU countries also
have urged Kurdish lawmakers to distance themselves from the PKK, which
is considered a terrorist group by the United States and the EU."

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (d6QMz)

61
The Republicans need to do a lot more to address the cost of energy, too.

If they don't, Obama and the Democrats will beat them to the punch (with some cockamamie scheme).

That sucking sound you hear is the GOP's leadership vacuum.

Dammit, GOP, tie gas prices to Obama. Do it now! And often.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (G/zuv)

62 I say we take off and Nuke the sight from orbit.

Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (6AXh/)

63 hopefully they can defend themselves from the Arabs and the Turks.

Surrounded, outnumbered, outgunned. Yeah, they'll be fine.

I wonder though how hard the Administration tried to arrange a good SOFA.

I wonder how thoroughly the Administration had to have f'd up not to be able to negotiate favorable conditions with the Iraqis.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (8y9MW)

64 so when do we haul ass from Afghanistan?
Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:01 PM (6AXh/)

It depends on his poll numbers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (1Jaio)

65 with all the troops back in-country they won't have problems with their votes being counted for the R's anymore. That's a win.

Posted by: TGSG at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (08Pe8)

66 I guess he decided today was a good day to attempt to raise his polling numbers.

Posted by: poljunkie at October 21, 2011 01:05 PM (XuiJf)

67
59,
+1 That Obama still blames everything on Bush proves he has no capacity to lead, he's just there for the adulation and power.

Posted by: Dax at October 21, 2011 01:06 PM (GRJTc)

68 If only there were a safe place for us to set up shop...

Posted by: Al Qaeda at October 21, 2011 01:06 PM (FcR7P)

69 If you didn't know better, it almost as if 0bama is really working hard for pan-islamic caliphate with Iran in charge.

Posted by: jukin at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (vkkNZ)

70 @62

Fuckin' A.

Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (wDzxx)

71 I pulled out once. Didn't like it.
Same here.

Posted by: Shawn Kemp at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (PReJ3)

72 That sucking sound you hear is the GOP's leadership vacuum.

Herp derp. What happens if we stick our weiner in the leadership vacuum?

Posted by: Rince Priapism at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (tqwMN)

73
Also: This silly obstinate aversion to cut defense-spending is hurting the GOP.

Get off it.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (G/zuv)

74 The Republicans need to do a lot more to address the cost of energy, too.

So, like with an economic plan that includes increased domestic drilling, reduced EPA regulation, and an extended pipeline from Canada to where our refining capability is, instead of some place in the mid-west where the oil then has to be trucked? Would that be a place to start?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (8y9MW)

75 In less than 3 years this commie bastard is turning the United States of America into a second class isolationist power. Everywhere and I mean Everywhere our enemies are on the March: Russia, China, Iran, Al Quada all over the Middle East, Hamas and Hezbellah, and left wing Gov in South America. Why would anyone want to be an American Ally today?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (i6RpT)

76 Obama should have leveraged this,

Hey Saudi's 2.00$ gas or Iraq gets thrown to Iran.

Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 21, 2011 01:08 PM (I9fXA)

77 so when do we haul ass from Afghanistan

It depends on his poll numbers

Pulling out every trick in the book to shore up his approval rating before elections.

Nice that we all agree!

Posted by: poljunkie at October 21, 2011 01:08 PM (XuiJf)

78 BREAKING NEWS>>> Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:09 PM (8y9MW)

79 This is perfect - all of those available troops can now be used to prosecute not-war-Wars in Africa.

Posted by: blindside at October 21, 2011 01:09 PM (3Uns6)

80 That Obama still blames everything on Bush proves he has no capacity to lead, he's just there for the adulation and power.
The Blame Bush stuff drives me nuts for more than the obvious reasons. It's the assumption that an Obama admin would be an ex nihilo start for America underneath it all the makes me want to go all stompy. The only President who didn't inherit stuff from a prior admin is George Washington. It's not like the SCOAMF was encountereing some heretofore unknown phenomena.
Deep calming breaths. Deep calming breaths. I shall go to my happy place, the one where I run free in a field of hobos with clear lines of fire.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (VtjlW)

81 so when do we haul ass from Afghanistan?
Since Afghanistan is a place we probably should bug out of, we won't, since that wouldn't destroy America.

Posted by: Entropy at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (XxXUI)

82 If we pull out of Iraq now there will be an increase in rape and rape-rape, and murder!!..wait?..wut?

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (n2K+4)

83 One thing we were discussing the other night ( hubby me and a couple friends)- when troops come home, and a lot retire-
What percentage will need work? Whats the impact on the job market?

Posted by: poljunkie at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (XuiJf)

84 This is perfect - all of those available troops can now be used to prosecute not-war-Wars in Africa.
Posted by: blindside at October 21, 2011 01:09 PM (3Uns6)


Sorry but perhaps you have not seen the cuts coming to Defense?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (i6RpT)

85 well at least the anti war protesters will shut up... oh wait those fuckers vanished the moment Obama was elected.

Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (6AXh/)

86 Herman on Fox to talk 999 after the break

Posted by: Truman North at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (I2LwF)

87 Too bad Obama cannot order his nigerian goat fucking dad to pullout 51 years ago.

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at October 21, 2011 01:11 PM (zOVSA)

88 al queda declares victory in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:11 PM (xOy1A)

89 I'm going to parrot the obvious here, but this is not going to end well.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 21, 2011 01:11 PM (vbh31)

90 One thing we were discussing the other night ( hubby me and a couple friends)- when troops come home, and a lot retire-
What percentage will need work? Whats the impact on the job market?
Posted by: poljunkie at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (XuiJf)

Retire my ass. Many are going to be forced out

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:11 PM (i6RpT)

91
...an economic plan that includes increased domestic drilling, reduced EPA
regulation, and an extended pipeline from Canada to where our refining
capability is, instead of some place in the mid-west where the oil then
has to be trucked?

Sounds good. If you walked into the supermarket right now in Jerkwater, USA, how many people would know of it?

A lot less than those who know of Obama's latest jobs bill scam, I'll bet.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:11 PM (G/zuv)

92 The end of the year is only ten weeks away. How the hell will we do an orderly withdrawal in that little time?


Posted by: Brown Line at October 21, 2011 01:12 PM (VrNoa)

93 This decision is a good one.

However, I am sure the President's reasoning was faulty.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 21, 2011 01:12 PM (eEfYn)

94 49
This is the thing. ....[...]...I'm not altogether certain that we aren't actually witnessing evil do its deed.
The clues are there, As If.
While it is fun to call him the SCofMF....if we look at what he has been doing to us, it's clear that he is succeeding in bringing the country to its knees.
Which is right where he wants us....broke, on our knees, disarmed and desperate.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 21, 2011 01:12 PM (uxJnJ)

95 The end of the year is only ten weeks away. How the hell will we do an orderly withdrawal in that little time?


Posted by: Brown Line at October 21, 2011 01:12 PM (VrNoa)

They are going to use the old Vietnam Model

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:13 PM (i6RpT)

96 How many of you morons who want to keep troops in Iraq have volunteered to go there? You can do that -- you can volunteer for military and civilian service in Iraq. Go for it.

Iraq is fucked up. It's not a real country and has no historical basis other than being cobbled together by England after WWI so England could control the oil supply. How long do you propose we keep troops there? 10 years? 50 years? How are we going to pay for all that, being broke you know, and what about our soldiers who get maimed and killed?

The situation is not remotely akin to Germany or Japan after WWII and I'm glad we're getting the fuck out.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:13 PM (dZ756)

97 69
If you didn't know better, it almost as if 0bama is really working hard for pan-islamic caliphate with Iran in charge.


Posted by: jukin at October 21, 2011 01:07 PM (vkkNZ)

^^^This.

Posted by: Derak at October 21, 2011 01:14 PM (8tAhu)

98 75
In less than 3 years this commie bastard is turning the United States of
America into a second class isolationist power. Everywhere and I mean
Everywhere our enemies are on the March: Russia, China, Iran, Al Quada
all over the Middle East, Hamas and Hezbellah, and left wing Gov in
South America. Why would anyone want to be an American Ally today?


Israel's greatest ally (in terms of leaders) right now is Canada. Canada.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 21, 2011 01:14 PM (d6QMz)

99 All snark aside, I do feel sorry for the coming brutal oppression of the women in Iraq and the death of Iraqi Christians.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:14 PM (xOy1A)

100 He needs the troops at home to help control the Mennonite terrorists during next years civil unrest.

Posted by: Krystal Burger at October 21, 2011 01:15 PM (EL+OC)

101 I was told there would be a McRib thread.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:15 PM (ieDPL)

102 How many of you morons who want to keep troops in Iraq have volunteered
to go there? You can do that -- you can volunteer for military and
civilian service in Iraq. Go for it.

Ah yes, the age old chicken hawk insult makes another appearance.

Posted by: sifty at October 21, 2011 01:15 PM (4CSeG)

103 What percentage will need work? Whats the impact on the job market?

Posted by: poljunkie at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (XuiJf)



Retire my ass. Many are going to be forced out

Let's see, precipitous disengagement from a conflict, followed by abrupt mustering out of combat veterans, into an awful economic environment...nah, that shouldn't be even the slightest bit familiar...

Posted by: DarkLord sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada!
at October 21, 2011 01:16 PM (GBXon)

104 They are going to use the old Vietnam Model

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:13 PM (i6RpT)

so Iran should be raising their flag over the capital building (or hut) before the last pair of boots is off the ground.

Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:16 PM (6AXh/)

105 Does this mean we can move our troops from the Iran border to the MexIran border?

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at October 21, 2011 01:16 PM (MgtS2)

106 How long do you propose we keep troops there?
Until the Islamic Republic of Iran is broken. I don't care too much about the nation of Iraq, I do care about the crackpots running the country directly to their east.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 21, 2011 01:16 PM (JxMoP)

107 Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:13 PM (dZ756)

Your missing the point. having gone to Iraq, for better or for worse, our National Prestige and Power was on the line. And Leaving a sizable force, in bases and not in the cities, on the border with Iran sends a message. And leaving like thieves in the dark of night like we are doing also leaves a message and Iran is getting that message loud and clear. I don't give a rat's ass about Iraq, but I do care about our standing in the World.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:17 PM (i6RpT)

108 This is like flipping a switch. Our troops are in (more) grave danger right now.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 21, 2011 01:17 PM (OhYCU)

109 The end of the year is only ten weeks away. How the hell will we do an orderly withdrawal in that little time?

Easy. Leave all the equipment and weapons. "Invest" our remaining time in writing out the instructions in Arabic.

Posted by: Barry XVI at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (FcR7P)

110 Yeah, who the fuck needs soldiers in a country bordering Iran....

Posted by: Elize Nayden
......
As far as I can tell, they will be bordering Iran for many years to come. Are you suggesting that as long as the two countries share a border, that US troops should be in one?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (f9c2L)

111 So, we're going for a Sunni vs. Shia thing? Is that the thinking? Is the theory that they'll be so busy nuking each other that they'll forget about Israel?

/can't wait to see gas prices when the Islamic wars break out!

Posted by: shibumi at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (z63Tr)

112
How many bases do we have there? And what was their cost to build?

Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (G/zuv)

113 Oh the sidebar is like filet mignon.



Nothing brings a smile to my face like naive hippies getting hit upside the head by reality.



"It began, as it so often does, with a drum circle. The ten-hour groove
marathons werent sitting well with the neighborhoods community board"

"Many non-facilitators were infuriated by the decision and claimed that it had been forced through the General Assembly. "

Theyre imposing a structure on the natural flow of music" The GA decided to do it ... they
suppressed peoples opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different
proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldnt.

They are becoming the government were trying to protest"

"The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a
percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that
the drum circle was receiving in tips."

"Theyre like the banks were protesting"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (0q2P7)

114 I do feel sorry for the coming brutal oppression of the women in Iraq and the death of Iraqi Christians.

And the Kurds. Don't forget the Kurds. Most Iraqi Christians got out long ago. Hopefully the others will be smart enough to do so before SHTF. The women in Iraq are- unfortunately- on their own. They were even with us there, though, so that's not a huge change, really (admit it or not). The Kurds, on the other hand, are going to be pressed from all sides now, and I don't trust the SCOAMF to even try to support them.

This will be two times they've trusted us and helped us, and we've left them out to dry both times.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (8y9MW)

115 Think of all the rapes and murders that this money will now prevent ... and all the cowboy poetry that fulfill our lives

Posted by: James Loughner at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (e8kgV)

116 Can't hang around for the conversation, but what good does it do us to leave if we're going to have to come right back in five years and finish yet another unfinished job? This is the problem.

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (WRtsc)

117 so Iran should be raising their flag over the capital building (or hut) before the last pair of boots is off the ground.
Posted by: bannor at October 21, 2011 01:16 PM (6AXh/)
They already have. Maliki is in their pocket. And it's not all Malili's fault. We telegraphed, or obama did, the message that we were leaving. So Maliki went with the winner instead of the loser

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (i6RpT)

118 How long do you propose we keep troops there?
Iraq?
Since combat deaths are something approximating 0 and trending toward Okinawa levels of resistance, whatever. Years and years. Until they can keep their own asses safe, but probably a lot longer than that.
When do we pull out of Rammstein Germany?

Posted by: Entropy at October 21, 2011 01:19 PM (XxXUI)

119 As far as I can tell, they will be bordering Iran for many years to come.

You are wrong. The border will move. West.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 21, 2011 01:19 PM (T0NGe)

120 WH says 4-5,000 security contractors will remain in Iraq (jaketapper)

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (d6QMz)

121 Until the Islamic Republic of Iran is broken. I don't care too much
about the nation of Iraq, I do care about the crackpots running the
country directly to their east.

Meh- we don't need Iraq to hit Iran. I doubt Obama ever would, but if we wanted to strike Iran we'd probably do it from the Arabian Sea or Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (Jl4kG)

122 McRib video.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (ieDPL)

123 If only Barrys daddy pulled out...

Posted by: TC at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (vYB+W)

124 Can't hang around for the conversation, but what good does it do us to leave if we're going to have to come right back in five years and finish yet another unfinished job? This is the problem.
Posted by: tmi3rd at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (WRtsc)

We're never going back. I am afraid the Century of America may be ending. Obama is driving a stake thru it

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (i6RpT)

125 "Ah yes, the age old chicken hawk insult makes another appearance."

That's the best you have? An ad-hom? Why is it that it used to considered almost a requirement that the POTUS have military experience? It's not like the POTUS is going to lead the cavalry charge. Perhaps it was so that the POTUS would have a better sense of what it means to go to war and how the military works? However, it's still a chicken hawk argument.

I don't get the sense that if a Dem had invaded Iraq and proposed troops indefinitely that there'd be a lot of cheering here.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (dZ756)

126
The reason I ask is because in 1977 Carter gave away the Panama Canal to Panama, effective in 1999.

Obama is giving away a lot of our stuff in Iraq and he's isn't doing it over two decades; he's doing it immediately.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (G/zuv)

127 I'm confused about the rules for the award now, does SCOAMF get one more or one less Nobel Prize as a result of this announcement?

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (SDkq3)

128 That Israeli strike on Iran?
Now totally and completely inevitable.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 21, 2011 01:20 PM (B+qrE)

129 Did we win?

Posted by: Diffus at October 21, 2011 01:21 PM (HmSSN)

130 Sounds just like Vietnam all over again. One of the biggest arguments I ever had with my older brother was over going into Iraq. I was opposed to it because I knew that as soon as the elections were over the Democrats would be solidly against it and we would see the same shit over again.

We will pull out and Iran will pull in, probably Turkey as well to finally put an end to the "Kurdish" problem.

And the Democrats, they will do just like Jane Fonda, they will blame Bush.

Posted by: Vic at October 21, 2011 01:21 PM (YdQQY)

131 When Maliki and Karzai are leading your teams, the outcome cannot be good. Doesn't matter how long you want to hang around.

Are we unable to find better idiots?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 21, 2011 01:21 PM (eEfYn)

132 You are wrong. The border will move. West.


Posted by: AmishDude
.........
It may well do that.. and other borders around the world will change as well.

It is not our business to protect all of them.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:22 PM (f9c2L)

133 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:18 PM (f9c2L)
Nope, just as long as there is a jihadist regime on the eastern side of that border...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at October 21, 2011 01:22 PM (i4gLS)

134 Good work. Foster the islamic world working themselves into an ungovernedfrenzy of a giant car swarm orgie, then pull our troops out of the foothold we have there. This aint stupid. This is intentional.

Posted by: Havedash at October 21, 2011 01:22 PM (sFD5n)

135 I guess this is a natural result of not really fighting to win. We've surrendered alreadyto those New AgeWhiners who constantly snivel about the "assymetry" of combat as though having the advantage issomehow wrong.
It's doubtful we'd be doing this at all if we had only chosen to play by our former rules of engagement, namely to go all in, find the enemy and eliminate it with extreme prejudice.
We need to stop fighting by the enemy's rules.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 21, 2011 01:23 PM (d0Tfm)

136 What do the Kurds need to defend themselves effectively? More weapons, larger troops?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 21, 2011 01:24 PM (MyByM)

137 The end of the year is only ten weeks away. How the hell will we do an orderly withdrawal in that little time?
Orderly? I don't remember campaigning on anything "orderly".

Posted by: SCOAMF at October 21, 2011 01:24 PM (LyOUH)

138 95
The end of the year is only ten weeks away. How the hell will we do an orderly withdrawal in that little time?





Posted by: Brown Line at October 21, 2011 01:12 PM (VrNoa)



They are going to use the old Vietnam Model
You beat me to it.

Expect helicopters to be pushed off the deck of our carriers so we can land the jets.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 21, 2011 01:24 PM (VZ10+)

139 I don't get the sense that if a Dem had invaded Iraq and proposed troops indefinitely
Did you jsut invent the "indefinitely" part? The troops can leave when Iraq is ready. You are aware that they have no ability to defend their own air space at this point, right?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 21, 2011 01:25 PM (B+qrE)

140 I don't get the sense that if a Dem had invaded Iraq and proposed troops indefinitely that there'd be a lot of cheering here.

You're suggesting that a Dem would have invaded Iraq and proposed troops there for some reason approaching National interest. We're suggesting said Dem would have done so for personal/political interest. Two very different things.

As with this. Yes, Bush wanted the majority of forces out of Iraq by the end of this year (I really thought it was '12, though, but whatever), but he always abode by the "benchmarks" idea, that any withdrawal was conditional based on the facts on the ground. Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, is pulling them out because he thinks it will help his poll numbers.

So, yes, I'm a little dubious about his decision making.

As for not having served: I'm not exactly an Ajax, over here, IYKWIM, so I'm thinking I'm better suited to life over here. That does not mean I can't put two and two together and come up with four.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:25 PM (8y9MW)

141 Oy-vey!

Posted by: Sanjay from Bombay at October 21, 2011 01:26 PM (8ieXv)

142 The problem I always had with Iraq was we didn't use the Japan model under complete and total marshal law because of political correctness.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:26 PM (xOy1A)

143 Ron Paul !!!!

Posted by: Krystal Burger at October 21, 2011 01:26 PM (EL+OC)

144 Did you jsut invent the "indefinitely" part? The troops can leave when Iraq is ready. You are aware that they have no ability to defend their own air space at this point, right?

Nothing opens up a wound and pours salt in it quite like leaving vulnerable people with no defense. I wonder who will swoop in and offer "protection"?

Posted by: As If! at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (LyOUH)

145 Expect helicopters to be pushed off the deck of our carriers so we can land the jets.

The EPA requires 15 different forms and an environmental impact study before this can happen.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (QKKT0)

146 Fuck the Iraqis. They need to sort out their differences. Our great men and women have done everything we have asked of them and far more. We can't change Islamic culture, the experiment failed. Same thing goes for Afghanistan. I am not saying it wasn't worth a try but at some point it is foolish to spend lives and money on regimes who operate in ways that are antithetical to our values.

Posted by: Ken Royall at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (9zzk+)

147 How many of you morons who want to keep troops in Iraq have volunteered to go there? You can do that -- you can volunteer for military and civilian service in Iraq. Go for it.Been there, done that; seriously considered volunteering for Afghanistan this year. BTW, food at the US Embassy in Baghdad is awesome; it's even better at the USAID compund.
Pulling out of Iraq is a huge mistake. Trust me.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (L8r/r)

148 That's the best you have? An ad-hom? Why is it
that it used to considered almost a requirement that the POTUS have
military experience? It's not like the POTUS is going to lead the
cavalry charge. Perhaps it was so that the POTUS would have a better
sense of what it means to go to war and how the military works?
However, it's still a chicken hawk argument.

Posted by: SFGoth

It's not an ad hominem. It's a reference to your recycling of the chickhawk logical fallacy; if one has not experienced something, one is not allowed to have an opinion.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (LHi9T)

149 And, if they're smart, the Kurds will never, ever trust us again. Thanks, GHW and Obumbles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:00 PM (8y9MW)
Poppy Bush was about as trustworthy as Stalin when it came to the Kurds and Eastern Europe.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (s3Y/j)

150 Oy-vey!

Posted by: Ahab the Arab at October 21, 2011 01:28 PM (8ieXv)

151 It is not our business to protect all of them.

No, but as long as Iraq has major oil fields (it does) and Iran wants them (it does) it makes a lot of sense for us to protect that one.

We stopped being in Iraq for Iraq's sake about ten minutes after Saddam was executed. From that point forward, it became about making sure Iraq can effectively defend itself against Iran. It can't do that, yet.

The troops can leave when Iraq is ready.

Not that I agree with CTJ's point, but that is "indefinitely." Indefinite doesn't mean "permanent." It means "an undefined period."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:29 PM (8y9MW)

152 The problem I always had with Iraq was we didn't use the Japan model

The part about the Japan model that was effective was fire-bombing their cities, cutting off food supplies, killing a lot of people, and dropping a couple of atom bombs first.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 21, 2011 01:29 PM (eEfYn)

153 Been there, done that; seriously considered volunteering for Afghanistan this year. BTW, food at the US Embassy in Baghdad is awesome; it's even better at the USAID compund.

Pulling out of Iraq is a huge mistake. Trust me.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 21, 2011 01:27 PM (L8r/r)
Amen

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:30 PM (i6RpT)

154 ..And what will be done with all of the munitions and machines???


Shoulda popped Mookie instead of letting him go.The whole shooting match would be very different right now.

Posted by: jeff talbut at October 21, 2011 01:30 PM (FY7aO)

155 We can't change Islamic culture, the experiment failed.

Once more, this isn't about changing Islamic culture. That may have been a side job, but the main one (now) is about checking Iran's aggressive tendencies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:31 PM (8y9MW)

156 We're suggesting said Dem would have done so for personal/political interest.

But, but...Libya! Never mind. Uganda! Damn.

Posted by: t-bird at October 21, 2011 01:31 PM (FcR7P)

157 Shitcanistan - 10 years of boots on the ground. We kicked ass and the Taliban ran to Pockeystahn to wait us out. When we leave they will take over again.

Iraq - 8 years. We kicked their asses after the longest telegraphed punch in world history. Those that could ran away. The foolish jihadis came there to die. Hardcore islamists know we are going to leave and when we do they will fill the void.

One has to wonder WTF we are doing with this nation building crap. Waste of trillions of dollars we don't have and the lives of the best of the best. We need to look at how we operate the military and move away from hearts and minds and get back to breaking shit and killing people. What we are doing now is simply death by 1000 cuts.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 21, 2011 01:31 PM (jucos)

158 By the way Memo To Israel: Your on your own. Been nice knowing you.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:31 PM (i6RpT)

159 Probably related: the Obama administration has ordered the recall of all training materials used by law enforcement and homeland security to expunge them of all references to Islam.

I guess Obama's thinking bigger than UN Secretary General, he wants to be Caliph Barry I.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (tqwMN)

160 Get ready: Who lost Iraq?

Posted by: Ken at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (7yb9x)

161 Oy-vey!
**click**click**

Posted by: kimbay tomawambu at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (8ieXv)

162 What do the Kurds need to defend themselves effectively? More weapons, larger troops?

A larger population? A country of their own? An air-force? They need lots of things. The thing is, they were doing okay by keeping their heads down. We convinced them to stand up again- and now even more of them are going to die for it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (8y9MW)

163 Funny, you'd almost think it was the foreign policy of the current administration to see as many governments fall as possible in favor of more radical, muslim brotherhood endorsed, regimes.

Posted by: USA at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (6Cjut)

164 If Iraq goes into a full scale civil war afterwards the MFM won't report because they don't want to make Barry look bad. Barry knows that he can do whatever he wants because the MFM will always lie and cover for him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 21, 2011 01:32 PM (1Jaio)

165 Absolutely. Let's throw the Iraqis to the wolves. The relationship didn't work out. And while we're at it, let's withdraw from the world. We can go it alone. And while we're at it, let's have free healthcare for all. But first we'll need to pare down our population by about 200 million. The only group of that size is whitey. Let's kill whitey.

Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (VXNeh)

166 Probably related: the Obama administration has ordered the recall of all
training materials used by law enforcement and homeland security to
expunge them of all references to Islam.

Please, please, please tell me you're kidding. Or that is is "reported" and not actually confirmed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (8y9MW)

167 139

I don't get the sense that if a Dem had invaded Iraq and proposed troops indefinitely

Did you jsut invent the "indefinitely" part? The troops can leave
when Iraq is ready. You are aware that they have no ability to defend
their own air space at this point, right?

Posted by: Circa
///

I did not jsut invent "indefinitely" part. "The troops can leave
when Iraq is ready" which will be never because it cannot be a stable country. Other than Israel, name one stable, multi-ethnic country in the Middle East? Sunnis and Shiites will fight each other and both will fight Kurds (and Wheys) ad infinitum.

As for air space, the Mujahedeen seemed to do just fine in Afghanistan with an air force comprising a bunch of beat up P-38s and 47s. Oh wait, they jsut had lots of stingers.

Keep going. I'm in the mood for Chinese food. Please bring me back Mongolian beef and beef chow fun.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (dZ756)

168 One of W.'s campaign themes (minor) in 2000 was to not get involved in nation-building. If he had only listened to the candidate...

Posted by: RioBravo at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (eEfYn)

169 We do need our soldiers here. If I was president here would be my instant executive orders for the military.

-minimum 60k a year pay for all active duty soldiers
-massive house cleaning on the out of control military bureaucrats - actual soldiers ratio
-minimum 40k a year pay for all remaining military personal
-double the amount of US military bases
-citizenship for all illegals who have served active duty

Less single machine 20 million dollar boondoggles more platoons filled trained soldiers with guns. And that would just be the first day.

Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (I9fXA)

170 OdipO is going to need those troops here for whatever made up national crisis he invents, they are getting pretty good at checking cars at checkpoints.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:34 PM (xOy1A)

171 Oy...Aaah fuck it!

Posted by: Hank from Haifa at October 21, 2011 01:35 PM (8ieXv)

172 What I want to know is how is this going to affect the 500,000 Iraqi dinars I own. Huh? Huh. Do I get a bailout?

Posted by: Mixtli at October 21, 2011 01:35 PM (OlN4e)

173 Obama needs things to go to shit rapidly in Iraq. It is the only way to make another election about George W Bush.

Posted by: sifty at October 21, 2011 01:35 PM (4CSeG)

174 It's not an ad hominem. It's a reference to your
recycling of the chickhawk logical fallacy; if one has not experienced
something, one is not allowed to have an opinion.


Posted by: weft cut-loop
///

No, one can have an opinion, but it's worth is considerably less.
I can have an opinion on menstrual cramps but I doubt any woman would give it much credence.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (dZ756)

175 i'm glad they are coming home to their families...i'm concerned for the iraqi's and wonder where these soldiers are going to find jobs.............

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (s+J9D)

176 The part about the Japan model that was effective was fire-bombing their
cities, cutting off food supplies, killing a lot of people, and
dropping a couple of atom bombs first.

Now you're getting it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (xOy1A)

177 Please, please, please tell me you're kidding. Or that is is "reported" and not actually confirmed.

Oh, no, I'm not kidding. Try a Yahoo News link (via the Daily Caller).

Posted by: Ian S. at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (tqwMN)

178 Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 21, 2011 01:33 PM (I9fXA)

?? Why do we need out Soldiers here? We going to war internally?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (i6RpT)

179 I have mixed feelings about this, so I doubt I can contribute much. All I know is that with each successive day that Obama is in office I can feel the barometer dropping in anticipation of the perfect storm.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (vbh31)

180 Once more, this isn't about changing Islamic
culture. That may have been a side job, but the main one (now) is about
checking Iran's aggressive tendencies.


Posted by: AllenG
.............
And they will patiently wait until we do leave.. 5-10-15 years. If Iraq isn't ready now, fuck 'em. Half the population of Iraq will gladly welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (f9c2L)

181 I can have an opinion on menstrual cramps but I doubt any woman would give it much credence.
---
Actually, in your case I would.

Posted by: Y-not at October 21, 2011 01:37 PM (5H6zj)

182 those New AgeWhiners who constantly snivel about the "assymetry" of combat as though having the advantage issomehow wrong.

An even fight is guaranteed to produce the most casualties...on both sides. Any military commander knows that, and seeks to avoid deliberately getting into an even fight. e.g. The sunken road at Antietam. Now known as the Bloody Lane.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 21, 2011 01:37 PM (0q2P7)

183 162
A
larger population? A country of their own? An air-force? They need
lots of things. The thing is, they were doing okay by keeping their
heads down. We convinced them to stand up again- and now even more of
them are going to die for it.

We are apparently engaged in talks with Turkey about the possibility of deploying Predator drones to fight the Kurdish rebels post-pullout. Now I realize PKK is a terrorist organization but what happens when the Turks make their move on innocent Kurds? Who will Obama be siding-with then?

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 21, 2011 01:38 PM (d6QMz)

184 LMAO at the people who do not understand what the communist revolutionary has been up to since the degenerate class elected him.

Hussein doesn't care to go after ANY Muslims anywhere if he isn't FORCED to do it. He hearts the overthrow of authoritarian califates (countries) by the revolutionaries now consolidating into one Mid-Eastern power.

The soldiers returning will be used to enforce martial law when elections are called off next year(as per the gov of North Carolina.

Hussein is not worried about elections he intends not to allow.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 01:38 PM (nDpVI)

185 And they will patiently wait until we do leave.. 5-10-15 years. If Iraq isn't ready now, fuck 'em. Half the population of Iraq will gladly welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (f9c2L)
------------------------------------------------------------

Not true. Arabs do not like Persians and vice versa. They never will get along..... ever.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 21, 2011 01:39 PM (jucos)

186 In any event, while it's undoubtedly not a consideration by Obama, the only way to deal with Iran before it builds functional nukes is to bait it into an extant invasion, or outright destabilization, of another country. That country can really only be Iraq. So if you think about it, pulling the troops out is kind of like creating a false power vacuum. Iran moves in, we come right back at Iraq's pre-arranged request, and then we have casus belli to go into Iran.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 21, 2011 01:39 PM (dZ756)

187 Half the population of Iraq will gladly welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 01:36 PM (f9c2L)
I'm not completely sure of that. Persians have traditionally not been a favored people among A-rabs. We will see.

Posted by: Mixtli at October 21, 2011 01:40 PM (OlN4e)

188 And they will patiently wait until we do leave.. 5-10-15 years. If Iraq
isn't ready now, fuck 'em. Half the population of Iraq will gladly
welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.

They might, yes. That doesn't change how bad it would be- for everyone except Iran- for Iran to be able to sweep into Iraq more-or-less uncontested. I would rather we had a strong President who would have a) fought wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to win, not to nation build and b) put Iran firmly in its place.

We didn't have that in Bush, and we have even worse in Obama. Given that we didn't have it with Bush, however, it became necessary to have at least the level of commitment from our next President(s) to stay in Iraq until their armed forces were solid enough to defend them, or until Iran finally collapses on itself (which evidence points to it trying to do, with or without our help).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:41 PM (8y9MW)

189 What a desperate move: 'declaring' victory. Only idiots will be taken in by it. All you have to do is look back & remember why we went in there in the first place, then ask, Did we achieve it; did we accomplish it; did we fix it?

Help me out here: What was ''it"?

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 21, 2011 01:41 PM (vahvH)

190 The kurds are screwed, that much is fact.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 21, 2011 01:41 PM (xOy1A)

191 Half the population of Iraq will gladly welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.

That is a statement that holds no modern historical precedent.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 21, 2011 01:42 PM (vbh31)

192 @175 I had no plans to do ANY hiring until someone else is in charge..but I can find a way to hire two.

Posted by: jeff talbut at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM (FY7aO)

193 The TSA does need some help.

Posted by: TSA Wants In Your Poop Chute at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM (EL+OC)

194 Battle hardened troops coming home. Sounds like it's time for boots on the ground at the southern border.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM (K7Gb2)

195 ""I'm not altogether certain that we aren't actually witnessing evil do its deed.""


I'm pretty fucking certain. This douchenozzle was bought and paid for by some seriously evil bastards here and abroad. Terms were easy, he gets to live like a king, golf every other day, live big off the tax payers dime, let his bitch wife travel like she was fucking cleopatra, and all he has to do is collapse the USA.

Nice gig for a scumbag who didn't grow up here.....perfect gig actually

Posted by: Berserker at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM (FMbng)

196 That is a statement that holds no modern historical precedent evidence.

Fixed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM (8y9MW)

197 persians dislike arabs....and arabs dislike persians

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer at October 21, 2011 01:44 PM (s+J9D)

198 Even the most superficialreading of historyshows that when nationsproject weakness and indecision, itleads to peace, fairness, and socialjustice. This is the course I have steered, and it is the correct one.
I'm sorry if that sounds condescending. I've studied these things. You haven't. If you find yourself at a loss, then I suggest you educate yourselves.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D., C. in C., B.F.D. at October 21, 2011 01:44 PM (w41GQ)

199 Posted by: TSA Wants In Your Poop Chute at October 21, 2011 01:43 PM

Well, hell-O nurse!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at October 21, 2011 01:45 PM (tqwMN)

200 Fixed.
That's so kind of you, but I knew what I meant.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 21, 2011 01:45 PM (vbh31)

201 Half the population of Iraq will gladly welcome the Iranians with open arms anyway.

Arabs (Semites) welcoming Persians (Aryans), or visa versa? The Iran-Iraq War was a glimpse of their hate for each other.

Posted by: t-bird at October 21, 2011 01:45 PM (FcR7P)

202 As is typical for the Biased, Far-Leftist, Make Believe Media, the truth is buried down in the story. Let's find the money quote:

"The plan conforms with the agreement >>>negotiated by the George W. Bush administration

Stop the presses! So, this is the BUSH plan! Somehow, Obambam isn't blaming him this time, but instead claiming credit for courageously sticking to the Bush agreement?

Wotta guy. Roll tape.

"to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq at the end of 2011. But negotiations have been taking place for months between Obama administration officials and Malikis government over how many U.S. troops should stay"

Wh-wh-wh-wha-WHAT?!?!?! Wait! Obama has been trying to keep some on there?

"to continue training the nascent Iraqi national forces and monitor potential flashpoints, such as the boundary line between the Kurdish north and the rest of Iraq.

In the end, agreement on leaving some troops behind became a bridge too far, as Maliki was unable to persuade elements within his own coalition, and the United States was unwilling to make concessions"

You mean Commander Compromise couldn't reach an agreement? HE was going to bring our enemies to the table and have a dialogue, and he can't even meet minds with a much more kindly disposed government?

So what is happening here is that the Incompetent in Chief failed in negotiations, and his obedient Obamamedia is trying to spin this as a success, and as something courageous and statesmanlike for doing what he had no choice but to do?

ROFL! As the late, great, Paul Harvey was fond of saying, "Now we know the REST of the story....."

Posted by: Gonzman at October 21, 2011 01:46 PM (AKlwH)

203 I hate them all.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:46 PM (ieDPL)

204 Now, I'd say we pull out of Afghanistan as well, and tell the warlords that as long as they keep the terrorists out, we won't carpet bomb everything they care about.

Posted by: KG at October 21, 2011 01:46 PM (LD21B)

205 They are going to use the old Vietnam Model
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:13 PM (i6RpT)
What? Leave everything behind? That's like a yardsale with AQ as the main customer

Posted by: Ma Bell at October 21, 2011 01:46 PM (uVuwp)

206 "You got Arabs in my Persians!"
"You got Perisans in my Arabs!"

Posted by: Reese's Regional Conflict Cups at October 21, 2011 01:47 PM (w41GQ)

207 Bomb voyage!

Posted by: Israel at October 21, 2011 01:47 PM (Zs83Q)

208 205 They could expend all the ordinance.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:47 PM (ieDPL)

209 Once the middle east region is under one power (minus Israel, by design), and the American stooge voting public has been effectively neutralized and no longer needs to answered to, then the European Union, America, and the single Mid-east Union can join together and brush Israel out of the way, and do as they feel is necessary to gain peace in the Middle East.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 01:48 PM (nDpVI)

210 @209: Yeah, about that European Union...

Posted by: Ian S. at October 21, 2011 01:49 PM (tqwMN)

211 I asked my brother, who did 3 combat tours in Iraq, how you could tell the good Iraqis from the bad Iraqis. He said the good ones all had maggots in them. Heh. I guess he developed an attitude while there.

Posted by: Mixtli at October 21, 2011 01:50 PM (OlN4e)

212 So elections don't matter? Ya thinking of sitting out the next one because your not thrilled with the Republican choices?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:50 PM (i6RpT)

213 The juxtaposition of timing is being done in service of The Narrative.

Lefty's have already been telegraphing it since Qaddafy yesterday:

Look how awesome Obama is, he overthrew a brutal dictator at saved the world at a fraction of the cost of lives and treasure as Iraq.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 21, 2011 01:50 PM (tazG1)

214
Im my opinion, no troops at all in Iraqbeyond Marine embassy guards and a few specials reduces our strategic reachregardless of whetherwe also have basing rights or the ability to immediately re-establisha military footprintas needed.
We should keep our European Aircraft Carrier the USS Britain (which is getting a bitfundie on the lower decks these days), buta good number of the over 100K troops we now have stationed in Europe and Japan areof much better strategic use in Anbar Najaf and Basra than Weisbaden or Kadena, are they not?

Posted by: Mike D. at October 21, 2011 01:50 PM (Z1i7B)

215 YourAPeein union? That's some funny shit right there. The only stooge round here is you Paulophile.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:51 PM (ieDPL)

216 Once the middle east region is under one power (minus Israel, by design), and the American stooge voting public has been effectively neutralized and no longer needs to answered to, then the European Union, America, and the single Mid-east Union can join together and brush Israel out of the way, and do as they feel is necessary to gain peace in the Middle East.
Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 01:48 PM (nDpVI)
------------------------------------------------------

Hahahahaha. Sit back and watch what happens.

Posted by: Adonai at October 21, 2011 01:51 PM (jucos)

217 All,
I'm not a prophet but I think Iraq will be fine. I've spent two years of my life over there in uniform, and in my opinion they will figure it out. They've got plenty of oil to spur their economy (which is growing like crazy) and it's always been a pretty secular place. Even at the height of the sectarian violence in 2006 and 2007 it was mostly politics and political parties, paying people to show up at these rallies and create havoc with bombs, IEDs, etc. Most people just wanted to work and feed their families, they could have given a rip about religion.

Iran has really not made a lot of friends in Iraq, truth be told. They flooded the market with goods and services trying to curry favor, and their stuff was so bad many of them have been driven out of the country. A lot of the businesses right now are just crying for American goods and services. "We need American Business now, and not any more troops" is a pretty common theme.

Besides, I do business over in that part of the world and have business in Turkey. The Turks are the best allies we have over there, because at the end of the day they are commercial people and very secular. I can drink great "Efes" beer in any town in Turkey with other Turks, even while the call to prayer is going on. They hate Iran, and they won't let Iran exert any influence in Iraq that they can't check. They are the best allies we can have in a non-perfect world, in a tribal region like the Middle East. The best solution is rarely black and white. Right now Turkey is trying to figure out how to deal with all the refugees flooding in from Syria. Its more their problem than ours, IMO.

It sounds like Iraq just couldn't convince their people that we needed to stay. It could get rough for a while, but they'll figure it out. They've got the money and the mindset. Once you give people Satellite TVs and the Internet, there is no going back!

Posted by: JM at October 21, 2011 01:51 PM (rj5Ii)

218 and do as they feel is necessary to gain peace in the Middle East.

They're going to nuke the entire middle east? I'm pretty sure that the only answer for peace there.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 21, 2011 01:51 PM (tf9Ne)

219 You know who uses words like "stooge?" Cranks, that's who. Commies, Lw Rockwell types, etc.

Posted by: Reese's Regional Conflict Cups at October 21, 2011 01:52 PM (w41GQ)

220 Another big ass mistake. I think Iraq will deteriorate much like Vietnam but not as quick.

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 21, 2011 01:52 PM (BGVHF)

221 "15 Why does Obama always talk about our troops being unemployed once they return home?"

As I understand this "unemployed" thing, with reference to the returning troops anyway, it means something like, You had a "job", now you don't have a job. The SCoaMF is manipulating the term: a job with our forces fighting the enemy isn't a 'real' job, not at all like the kind of job that get created in the private sector. Instead, it's a government figment, which some can call "job" if they want, but it's not a permanent job.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 21, 2011 01:54 PM (vahvH)

222 Another leftist Paulophile who hates Joos. What are the odds? Probably listens to domestic terrorist Alex Jones.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 21, 2011 01:54 PM (ieDPL)

223 Nominally compliant petty tyrants >> Islamic Republics

Things are not going to end well in the Middle East. We're giving lunatics free run of the asylums, and then leaving to see what happens.

Posted by: Nancy Grace's Enormous Nipple at October 21, 2011 02:00 PM (8/DeP)

224 Obama undoubtedly uses the word "stooge" when thinking in his mind about the people who voted for him.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 02:00 PM (nDpVI)

225 The SCoaMF is manipulating the term: a job with our
forces fighting the enemy isn't a 'real' job, not at all like the kind
of job that get created in the private sector. Instead, it's a
government figment, which some can call "job" if they want, but it's not
a permanent job.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 21, 2011 01:54 PM (vahvH)
One flaw in your argument is the SCoaMF never considers jobs in the private sector if they aren't unionized; he only talks about government employment (firemen, police teachers) or the trades such as plumbers (which may or may not be unionized although I'm not sure in his dimwit mind he makes that distinction).

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 21, 2011 02:02 PM (s3Y/j)

226 Your inner voice is not telling you morons (well programmed in your own echo chamber talking points)
It is telling you what globalist planners at the top intend to, partly funded by Republican taxpayers who could tell a moral principle if it bit them on the nuts.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 02:03 PM (nDpVI)

227 "not telling you to vote for a Liberaltarian"@226

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 02:05 PM (nDpVI)

228 Neither Perry, nor Romney deal in principles, and neither do the gov't hacks installed in the leadership of both parties at present.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 02:07 PM (nDpVI)

229 Inner Douche,

You forgot to use the word sheeple.

Posted by: sifty at October 21, 2011 02:11 PM (4CSeG)

230 Louisiana just made many cash transactions ILLEGAL in that state...just as is predicted in prophecy will be the case when the Man of Perdition ties ALL of the nations of the world together under one head. The LAW was signed by Gov Bobby Jindal, so-called conservative Republicans.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at October 21, 2011 02:14 PM (nDpVI)

231
At least they'll receive ballots now.

Posted by: arhooley at October 21, 2011 02:16 PM (HQ2yg)

232 The forest has gotten kind of obscured by all of the trees hasn't it?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:17 PM (nDpVI)

233 The law Jindal just signed is a DIRECT and specific contravention of the Constitution, and Jindal is still on many peoples' radar as a "good" conservative. That law's result directly enslaves the people to the immediate will of the gov't...by design.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:20 PM (nDpVI)

234 ""I'm not altogether certain that we aren't actually witnessing evil do its deed.""I'm pretty fucking certain. This douchenozzle was bought and paid for by some seriously evil bastards here and abroad. Terms were easy, he gets to live like a king, golf every other day, live big off the tax payers dime, let his bitch wife travel like she was fucking cleopatra, and all he has to do is collapse the USA.Nice gig for a scumbag who didn't grow up here.....perfect gig actually
I envisioned something similar--like that scene from Trading Places where (Eddie Murphy) was learning about the stock exchange.
Except SCOAMF was selling his soul to the devil to achieve his life's ambitions: Power for himself and the destruction of America.

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:20 PM (0GpN4)

235 Sorry but perhaps you have not seen the cuts coming to Defense?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 21, 2011 01:10 PM (i6RpT)
Well, shared-sacrifice dictates that they will just have to take less pay. To make sure they have 'skin-in-the-game'</sarc>BTW, none of that matters - SCOAMF will engage our troops in whatever not-war-Wars that he chooses. And Boehner and McConnell will go along with it like the good little bitches that they are.

Posted by: blindside at October 21, 2011 02:23 PM (3Uns6)

236 Louisiana just made many cash transactions ILLEGAL in that state..
I guess the partthat says:"This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private" will be deleted in the future?

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:26 PM (0GpN4)

237 Hussein, leading Dems and Repukes will happily surrender to a world dictator as long as their personal power and perks are left intact and even increased. That is the result of hiring pragmatic (unprincipled and amoral) politicians to either party to lead the populace and then letting them ignore the basis of all law in the US, the Constitution, and they get there by their constituent voters voting pragmatically, rather than on moral principle.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:26 PM (nDpVI)

238 ANY used item, anywhere, must now be paid for by something other than cash, by law, whether in a public establishment or private garage sale...whatever.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:28 PM (nDpVI)

239 Louisiana's law is coming to a state near you very soon, and will make a national ID card necessary, which will then be replaced by a universal mark, once a world-wide authority is firmly in place.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:32 PM (nDpVI)

240 Here's my prediction... The Kurds will destabilize the region first. They will break away from Iraq and the Kurds in Turkey will join to form new country. Turkey will attack and a weak Iraqi military will stutter and Iran will swoop into the Kurdish region... and in the blink of an eye, all interested parties on every side of this will have to throw down markers to sort out what side to fight on....

....and I hope I'm wrong, but we've been the main thing holding the Kurds back, and as soon as they smell weakness in Baghdad, I think they'll bolt... or something will spark to cause them to.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at October 21, 2011 02:32 PM (Sh+fu)

241 238
ANY used item, anywhere, must now be paid for by something other than
cash, by law, whether in a public establishment or private garage
sale...whatever.



Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:28 PM (nDpVI)
So, Gold and Silver as payment?

I'm in.

Posted by: blindside at October 21, 2011 02:34 PM (3Uns6)

242 ANY used item, anywhere, must now be paid for by something other than cash, by law, whether in a public establishment or private garage sale...whatever.
Good thing that's only on used items---hookers and blow can still be paid for in cash. Whew!

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:37 PM (0GpN4)

243 At least one nuke will be set off in the Middle East, which will bring the impetus for Muslims to agree to a division of Jerusalem that will include agreement to give Israel a part of the Temple Mount for the rebuilding of their Temple, a complete duplicate of which they have already built. The treaty will be done in secret, as the public will not immediately be ready to accept it, no one will know the "day or the hour" that takes place.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:37 PM (nDpVI)

244 Louisiana's law is coming to a state near you very soon, and will make a national ID card necessary, which will then be replaced by a universal mark, once a world-wide authority is firmly in place.
The mark of the beast.

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:38 PM (0GpN4)

245 A paste-on soft-surface chip the quarter of the size of a postage stamp has been developed, and can be pasted to the skin, and can even operate electronic devices through mind-power, it is a bio-integrated chip, that can carry and convey every fact of every person's existence, barely visible.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:41 PM (nDpVI)

246 At least one nuke will be set off in the Middle
East, which will bring the impetus for Muslims to agree to a division of
Jerusalem that will include agreement to give Israel a part of the
Temple Mount for the rebuilding of their Temple, a complete duplicate of
which they have already built. The treaty will be done in secret, as
the public will not immediately be ready to accept it, no one will know
the "day or the hour" that takes place.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice
..............
Unless the nuke is set off IN Jerusalem.. but then.. problem solved!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 21, 2011 02:42 PM (f9c2L)

247 Posted by: (nDpVI)
So, what's your beef with Perry?

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:43 PM (0GpN4)

248 The nuke will be set off in the oldest city on earth still inhabited, Damascus.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:44 PM (nDpVI)

249 Not sure how to feel about this news, but, I have to admit, I am getting quite a few chuckles from the Alex Jones conspiracy theorists on here. Nothing more humorous than reading comments written by paranoid people about some secret, world-wide conspiracy to destroy the U.S. via a president who apparently isn't a citizen, is secretly a muslim, and wants to somehow destroy the U.S. for Islam or something. You all sound as crazy as the Truthers who claim that the 2000 election was rigged so that GWB could do the bidding of the Illuminati and plan out 9/11 and then blame it on foreign countries to start a global war.

Posted by: That One Guy at October 21, 2011 02:44 PM (VETVS)

250 OK. I think its a mistake, but he's the commander in chief. I guess the press can be relied on to ignore any bad consequences until a Republican is president again.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 21, 2011 02:46 PM (r4wIV)

251 Matt Damon!!

Posted by: Matt Damon at October 21, 2011 02:48 PM (AbmsP)

252 Barack Obama is a desperate stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: stillwater at October 21, 2011 02:49 PM (0GpN4)

253 Perry was, not long ago, not even a Republican, and he was right square in the middle of the Corridor conspiracy, which was part of Bush's Co-Prosperity Sphere, and was going to bring us the Amero. He is a flat-out North-South American Alliance, which was thwarted by the rise of Chavez, not by American voters, and will be resurrected by the political heirs of "Compassionate Comservatives" and their allies on the commie-lib Dem side of the aisle when the situation seems to favor it. Perry is pro-gov't use of force to compel individuals to submit to his say-so in how they raise their kids and what his gov't mandates for them. He is the EXACT replica of Bush with much poorer thinking-on-his-feet-skills, and he is clueless in handling the media because he is used to total power. And he hearts the use of my confiscated cash to bait self-imported slaves to do American's jobs, attend American schools, and use American emergency medical facilities without paying fpr them.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:54 PM (nDpVI)

254 249: I'm not one to hold with the conspiracy theorists, but frankly, even straight up stupidity isn't adequately explaining the crap that's happening these days. I can't blame folks for suspecting this kind of thing.

Remember, if you tried to write a book about what happened on 9/11 and pass it off as fiction in the 1990s, you'd have been laughed out of the publishers' offices.

Posted by: DarkLord sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada!
at October 21, 2011 02:55 PM (GBXon)

255 If you live in Texas (or anywhere else) and you don't want to have your money taken out of the mouths of your children then you can go fornicate yourselves.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 02:56 PM (nDpVI)

256 it's Vietnam again, history repeats itself, elect Democrats lose a war.

Posted by: canuk at October 21, 2011 02:56 PM (XnGFh)

257 I was hearing predictions of 9-11 type events several years beforehand by top-level intelligence officials on television, but no one was listening. It couldn't possibly happen to America! We're special, and regular rules of existence don't apply to us, like the biggst power is always the biggest target.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:02 PM (nDpVI)

258 Fuck the traitor Obama sideways with a flaming copy of The Road to Serfdom.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 21, 2011 03:02 PM (QcFbt)

259 Babylon fell, Medo=Persia fell, Greece fell, Rome fell, England has fallen, with their own thousand year empire, and we are now falling...

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:04 PM (nDpVI)

260 Haven't read comments yet. The left, especially the Dem leadership in Congress came to power because of Watergate, and consider Viet Nam as their great victory. They pulled the rug out from under the S. Viet Nam government by defunding them in Congress when thay got control, millions suffered. Now they are going to do it again, so they can say Bush's war was a loss. This is much worse. We have invested tons of blood and treasuer to build this country in the heart of the most important region in the world, and if it desends into chaos or Iran gets control it will lead to WW3. I know Nancy will be proud. Obama's just a fool.

Posted by: jrcobbstr at October 21, 2011 03:12 PM (mJe1T)

261 We are now carrying more actual debt than any nation in world history, and our ability to pay it's service costs is not even within reach, and China takes over largest economy status in 2015, and I expect, well-before then. The Baby-boomers have just started their exodus from producer status to drain status, and the generation to replace them are still living at home in their parents' basements.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:13 PM (nDpVI)

262 The toppling of dictatorships favorable to the US, or at least bribed to keep nuetral are now being overthrown by design, not by accident, and our madrasah school-educated, non-citizen Hussein is encouraging this on purpose. His mother was too young to confer her citizenship upon Hussein at his birth, and his father was a British citizen... so that rules Hussein's citizenship out, by ANYONE'S measure as being a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:18 PM (nDpVI)

263 Obama's social security number is from Connecticut, where he has never lived. And how is the complete flouting of federal law allowed to continue? Why has this illegal alien been installed as POTUS, and allowed to continue to break the law since? Where are the "representatives" of the people? Do we have any laws governing our governors any longer?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:24 PM (nDpVI)

264 "Those who have ears to hear, let them hear."

Posted by: Your Inner Voice which so very tired of Perry-pukes at October 21, 2011 03:26 PM (nDpVI)

265
I guess he decided today was a good day to attempt to raise his polling numbers.
With Zero you always have to consider what else is going on behind the scenes. Making the announcement today is curious, given Col Crazy's death just yesterday. Why not bask in that glow for a couple of days before sending the MSM to cover another Obama-the-Great story?
So, what is he trying to distract us from today? Or what will he dump in today's Friday news dump while the MSM is looking the other way? Of course, no need to choose, it could be both.

Posted by: Mayday at October 21, 2011 03:31 PM (orrLR)

266 I ... I ... I ... I ... I ... am the warrior for the middle class.
Iraq, not so much.

Posted by: The SCOAMF in Chief at October 21, 2011 03:36 PM (ME+Ax)

267
"Iran's pretty happy today. The Saudis? Probably not so much."
Who cares, are they any "better"?

Posted by: Andrew at October 21, 2011 03:57 PM (HS3dy)

268 I'm glad the war we started is ending, or at least our active participation in it. With some luck, we might only lose ten or eleven more troops before the end of the year.

Posted by: Jordan at October 21, 2011 04:04 PM (XJYf4)

269 I figured the fighting keyboardists of the Israel First Brigade would be upset today. The whole war is an insult to the memories of the men who died fighting in it. The biggest waste of blood and treasure we've ever gotten involved in, whose greatest accomplishment was an own goal, empowering Iran. Invade the world, invited the world, onward Neocon keyboard pounders!

Posted by: White RB at October 21, 2011 04:16 PM (LrLv1)

270 I think the sticking point was that the previous number to remain was only 3,000. Far too few to do any good and far to vulnerable. The joint chiefs probably said "just forget it."

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 21, 2011 04:18 PM (UK3qx)

271 My uninformed friends think I have a tin foil hat. It is amazing the stuff they don't know about, and I despise the MSM for this. They are one of the biggest enemies of freedom, with the Gramski academia right behind. But some of the folk in hear, Inner Voice, must have complete suits of foil. I don't mean to start a pissing match with you, but A. Jones and some of the Paul folk really are out on a limb, some even neo-confederate. Anyway, I enjoy the dry humor of solders (even though I was Navy). There is nothing to sharpen the funny bone like "being shot at to no effect."

Posted by: jrcobbstr at October 21, 2011 04:18 PM (mJe1T)

272 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 21, 2011 04:41 PM (fyOgS)

273 @271... agreed. Inner voice.. kinda tiny-foily, sounding....

Perry!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at October 21, 2011 04:48 PM (Sh+fu)

274 The part about the Japan model that was effective was fire-bombing their
cities, cutting off food supplies, killing a lot of people, and
dropping a couple of atom bombs first.

Why yes, yes it was.

What is really interesting is to see how far the Democrats have fallen - they've always been left wing idiots but they cared enough about the country to at least win WWII.

Now days - not so much.

Try to imagine Truman announcing in Oct of 1945 that we were pulling all of our troops out of Germany and Japan - yeah that would've worked.

By the way I can get videos of the North Vietnamese tanks rolling over South Vietnam - anybody want to watch them so you'll know what to expect from the Iranians?



Posted by: An Observation at October 21, 2011 06:14 PM (ylhEn)

275 Well I guess Obumer can use his favorite little toy ,drones.You can just sit in Nevada and shoot your missiles. Funny how we never hear about any "collateral" damage.

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at October 21, 2011 06:17 PM (5Wl/f)

276 Oh well at least we'll get to find out for sure whether the Israelis have Nukes.

Posted by: An Observation at October 21, 2011 06:17 PM (ylhEn)

277 Or what will he dump in today's Friday news dump while the MSM is
looking the other way?

Let me guess - it will be both a fast and a furious dump today.

Posted by: An Observation at October 21, 2011 06:22 PM (ylhEn)

278 I would guess we will pull out to give them face, and then in 6 months they invite trainers back in.

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That Obama still blames everything on Bush proves he has no capacity to lead, he's just there for the adulation and power.

The Blame Bush stuff drives me nuts for more than the obvious
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The only President who didn't inherit stuff from a prior admin is
George Washington. It's not like the SCOAMF was encountereing some
heretofore unknown phenomena.

Deep calming breaths. Deep calming breaths. I shall go to my happy
place, the one where I run free in a field of hobos with clear lines of
fire.





Ha. I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. Ex nihilo nihil fit.

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