BREAKING: Reid Using "Nuclear Option" To Do Away With The Filibuster? UPDATE: Not The Filibuster Update 2: Reid Changes Senate Rules By Majority Vote

Above the post update:

Basically it seems the Democrats have stripped the GOP of the chance to offer amendments. This is going to bite the Democrats in the ass hard several ways once they find themselves in the minority.

Just got an email from someone in the Senate. It's not the filibuster but the ability to change the Senate rules by simple majority vote (instead of 2/3s vote). The rule they are trying to change has to do with the ability to close off the option of offering amendments.

Reid's maneuver works
. The precedent has been set that Senate rules can be changed by majority vote.

This means the Senate rules can be changed by majority vote and the minority can't offer amendments without majority approval.

What this is about: Reid didn't want to let McConnell bring up Obama's job plan and force Democrats to vote against it. Pass This Bill Now (unless it would be an embarrassing to Democrats).

So, the GOP wins the Senate in '12, nukes the filibuster and then repeals ObamaCare?

Wow.

This is pretty crazy and it's going to take some time to sort out.

Original Post:
It's a little arcane and a lot inside baseball but something is going down in the Senate right now.

In a shock development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely-used procedural option informally called the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules.

...

Reid appealed a ruling from the chair that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) does not need consent to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment after cloture has already been approved.

The maneuver is highly arcane but momentous. If a simple majority of the Senate votes to uphold Reid’s appeal, the Senate’s rules will have been changed by the unilateral action of one party.

From the Senate GOP communications shop (email, no link)

Sen. Reid just moved to change the rules of the Senate. By raising an unprecedented point of order against offering motions to suspend (a motion that both Democrats and Republicans have used in the Senate), he’s asking the Senate, with a simple majority vote, to end the practice altogether. After “filling the tree” and blocking all Republican amendments, Sen. Reid is now moving to be able to prevent any options available to the minority to have votes—even on jobs amendments.

Despite AGREEING to have seven motions a few minutes ago, he’s now saying seven motions are too many and the practice must end.

Republicans are voting to appeal the ruling and to maintain a long-standing Senate rule that has been used by both parties.

Not sure what triggered this. Updates as it becomes clear.

Vote is going on right now but even Senators are confused which way to vote on the party line.

This escalated quickly.

Posted by: DrewM. at 07:11 PM



Comments

1 HARRY REID IS A mini-SCOAMF.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 06, 2011 07:12 PM (jzm8w)

2 This business will get out of control.

Posted by: dudeformerlyinsantacruz at October 06, 2011 07:14 PM (BRa9r)

3 Live by the sword, Dingy.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 06, 2011 07:14 PM (lHngd)

4 What triggered it is that Harry Reid has 4 1/2 years left and f-k the rest of his dem colleagues who are up for re-election. Or maybe he figures most of them will lose anyway so f--k them anyway.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:15 PM (jx2j9)

5 Reminds me of Twain's "Cannibalism In The Cars"

I hope they devour one another.

Posted by: flyonthewall at October 06, 2011 07:15 PM (GzhjM)

6 Protests in front of the Senate? Not so much. Well, one can only hope that the Dem senators don't know how to vote since it could potentially be used against them in the coming elections.

Maybe a lot of abstains.

Reid is a miserable little worm.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:16 PM (UlUS4)

7 The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:16 PM (QxSug)

8 Yeah, yeah, it's all fun and games until somebody puts an eye out.

Posted by: huerfano at October 06, 2011 07:17 PM (fecOD)

9 Reid is a douche.

They know the White House and Congress are lost to them in 2012 - they are going scorched earth.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at October 06, 2011 07:17 PM (uVlA4)

10 so, that's cool, when we get the senate in 2012, we won't need to overcome a fillibuster to do everuthing we want, eh?

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:17 PM (QxSug)

11 The erosion of the republic continues unabated...

Posted by: mugiwara at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (KI/Ch)

12 The Constipated Tortoise strikes again. Pansy little milk toast maggot.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (4CSeG)

13 10 so, that's cool, when we get the senate in 2012, we won't need to overcome a fillibuster to do everuthing we want, eh?
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:17 PM (QxSug)

Providing we actually have elected officials who have the stones to actually do what the were elected to do.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (UlUS4)

14 Hey remember how McCain went and kissed democrat ass to prevent Republicans from using the Nuclear option to appoint judges? Good job there McCain, you clearly preserved the integrity of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (GULKT)

15 **13 10 so, that's cool, when we get the senate in 2012, we won't need to overcome a fillibuster to do everuthing we want, eh?
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:17 PM (QxSug)

Providing we actually have elected officials who have the stones to actually do what the were elected to do.**

yup. fuck. as soon as I typed it...

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:19 PM (QxSug)

16 Someone go slap the dog shit out of John McCain.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:19 PM (4CSeG)

17 On C-SPAN 2 it says it's a procedural vote on a Chinese currency maniptulation bill. Lots of folks just standing around. No vote counts yet.

Posted by: Palandine at October 06, 2011 07:19 PM (g7D8V)

18 **Hey remember how McCain went and kissed democrat ass to prevent Republicans from using the Nuclear option to appoint judges? Good job there McCain, you clearly preserved the integrity of the Senate.**

OMFG, they're going to pack the courts.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (QxSug)

19 Good job there McCain, you clearly preserved the integrity of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (GULKT)
'Integrity of the Senate'....never thought I'd see those words used in a sentence.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (X6akg)

20 1.) Harry Reid is a miserable little fucking worm.

2.) If this is really what happened, in a weird way it could be a blessing in disguise, because:

2a.) With a margin that is so small in the Senate, Reid can't really get much accomplished. Dem Senators like Manchin, McCaskill, Tester, et al. can't afford to go along with this because of their upcoming elections. And I think a guy like Jim Webb is just about ready to tell Harry Reid to go fuck himself anyway.

2b.) It would be PARTY TIME MOTHERFUCKERS next year if we win the White House and the Senate.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (hIWe1)

21 That is going down in the Senate-

this just went down in the House 5 hours ago:

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Rick Perry hunting camp resolution blocked by House
By Felicia Sonmez

The House of Representatives has blocked consideration of a resolution calling on Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) to apologize for not immediately “doing away” with a rock bearing the controversial name of his family’s West Texas hunting camp, “N*****head.”

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) on Thursday morning introduced the privileged resolution, a move that would have put House Republican lawmakers in an uncomfortable position if the chamber were to hold a vote on the measure.

But the House voted 231-to-173 Thursday afternoon to reject the measure on procedural grounds. Most Republicans voted in favor of tabling the resolution, while most Democrats voted “no.”

With about two-dozen Congressional Black Caucus members and a few other Democrats as well as a handful of House Republicans and visitors in the House gallery looking on, Jackson rose for several minutes and read the text of his resolution condemning Perry.

[...]

Recent polls suggest the imbroglio could blunt Perry’s momentum in the GOP presidential primary.

[...]

The Jackson resolution calls the name of the hunting camp “morally offensive” and cites businessman Herman Cain as “the only Republican presidential candidate to criticize Governor Rick Perry for being ‘insensitive’ when the word was not immediately condemned;” the text of the resolution also “remind(s) Herman Cain that the word is not only ‘insensitive,’ but is also ‘offensive.’”

The resolution also states that when asked about the name of the camp, Perry “said the word on the rock is an offensive name that has no place in the modern world – implying that it may have been okay and had an appropriate place in that community when he was growing up.”

The measure then resolves that the House “calls on Governor Rick Perry to apologize for not immediately doing away with the rock,” to “condemn the use of this word as being totally offensive and inappropriate at anytime and anyplace in United States history” and to “list the names of all lawmakers, friends, and financial supporters he took with him on his hunting trips at ‘N******head.’”

Also included in the measure is a provision calling on Perry’s 2012 presidential rivals “who have not yet made strong statements of outrage over the rock that contained the word, to do so.”





(Washingtonpost.com)

*******

Unbelievable.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (rJVPU)

22 Seriously, Reid looks at this option when the Rs have the House, and the Ds will lose the Senate and White House next year? Is there some confirmation pending, that the Senate can do on its own?

Posted by: 141Driver at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (/E3ql)

23 >>14
Hey remember how McCain went and kissed democrat ass to prevent
Republicans from using the Nuclear option to appoint judges? Good job
there McCain, you clearly preserved the integrity of the Senate.


In fairness to McCain, he's stupid.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (OGQrv)

24 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (fyOgS)

25 Someone go slap the dog shit out of John McCain.

Strike that. Just hang the little turncoat squish bastard's keys up on a high hook.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (4CSeG)

26 Reid knows that Obama is a weakling. He's using this cheap power-play to try totake charge.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (0DGtF)

27 If Reid does this, it will be that much easier to repeal Obamacare in 2013 after the Pubs re-take the Senate. They won't need 60 seats anymore, just a squish proof margin of 3 or so.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (dIHHd)

28


Red October

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (/qkBU)

29 That bastard is always using arcane rules to his own ends.

Posted by: Miss80s at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (d6QMz)

30 Dammit. I didn't want to live in interesting times.

Via Insty, a couple of days ago, this seems appropriate:

Power Has its Duties as Well as its Rights

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 06, 2011 07:22 PM (bjRNS)

31 "Oh, no, we can't use the nuclear option because if we do, the Democrats can use it against us!"

Remember that?

They don't abide precedent, people. There's no rules of decorum for them. There's no politeness. There's no give and take.

It's raw power and they won't stop.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:22 PM (73tyQ)

32 Is there some confirmation pending, that the Senate can do on its own?

Betcha they heard from Root Buzzy Ginchberg's MD.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:22 PM (4CSeG)

33 I wonder if these asshats really believe that Occupy Wall Street is the answer to the Tea Party and are feeding off of that? Wouldn't that be something. A clearly socialist movement feeds the congressional dems who turn around and feed the socialist movement. Talk about the potential for some massive unintended consequences. Kind of like Russian roulette with nukes.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:22 PM (jx2j9)

34 explain to me as if i'm six what this means?

is it that they can forward any bill now and they themselves don't have to pay attention to anyone in the other party?

like an executive order but done by senate majority instead?

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 07:23 PM (h+qn8)

35 Go ahead Reid, shine the spotlight on your miserable ass..


Posted by: Willy at October 06, 2011 07:23 PM (Gm/A+)

36 Voted down.

Posted by: Palandine at October 06, 2011 07:23 PM (g7D8V)

37 2 This business will get out of control.
--------------------------------

Yep. These fuckers are asking for it. I don't think it will turn out the way they think it will.

Posted by: Spiker at October 06, 2011 07:23 PM (4t9J5)

38 Never mind.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 06, 2011 07:23 PM (OGQrv)

39 Maybe they feel comfortable doing it because there won't be a 2012 election.

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2011 07:24 PM (fyOgS)

40 **Just got an email from someone in the Senate. It's not the filibuster but the ability to change the Senate rules by simple majority vote (instead of 2/3s vote). The rule they are trying to change has to do with the ability to close off the option of offering amendments.**

um....

whew?

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:24 PM (QxSug)

41 Does this count as a post?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 06, 2011 07:25 PM (OGQrv)

42 Trial balloon.

Reid trying to make the paths straight for his masters.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:25 PM (4CSeG)

43 In fairness to McCain, he's stupid.


Posted by: Dr Spank at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (OGQrv)
He's a fucking genius compared to his daughter.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 06, 2011 07:25 PM (xFdca)

44 27 If Reid does this, it will be that much easier to repeal Obamacare in 2013 after the Pubs re-take the Senate. They won't need 60 seats anymore, just a squish proof margin of 3 or so.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 06, 2011 07:21 PM (dIHHd)


What if we wind up with 50+ squishes? Gevalt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:25 PM (UlUS4)

45 why not just allow dems their hearts desire, i guess they want a one party system?

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 07:26 PM (h+qn8)

46 Reid didn't use the nuke-u-ler option for ObamaCare, not for the Budget Bill and CR standoffs, not for any other "signature" piece of Obama legislation.
Now he chooses to push the button?! Now?!? WT(ever-lovin')F??

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2011 07:26 PM (4q5tP)

47 Harry Reid is a little weaselly bastard of the first order.

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 06, 2011 07:26 PM (aD5Kx)

48 Unbelievable.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (rJVPU)
What the GOP should do is submit the same resolution with "Hendrick Home for Children" in place of "Rick Perry".After all, they owned the land.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:26 PM (73tyQ)

49 Kind of like Russian roulette with nukes.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:22 PM (jx2j9)


Nuke the whales! Start with Michael Moore.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:26 PM (UlUS4)

50 These little fuckers really do want a war, don't they?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (sF43r)

51
MATTHEWS: But bottom line, would you vote for what’s called the “nuclear option,” to get rid of the filibuster rule on judgeships?

MCCAIN: No, I will not.

MATTHEWS: You will stick with the party?

MCCAIN: No, I will vote against the nuclear option.

MATTHEWS: You will vote—

MCCAIN: Against the nuclear option.

MATTHEWS: Oh, you will?

MCCAIN: Yes.

MATTHEWS: So you will vote with the Democrats?

MCCAIN: Yes, because I think we have got to sit down and work this thing out. Look, we won’t always be on the majority. I say to my conservative friends, some day there will be a liberal Democrat president and a liberal Democrat Congress. Why? Because history shows it goes back and forth. I don’t know if it’s a hundred years from now, but it will happen. And do we want a bunch of liberal judges approved by the Senate of the United States with 51 votes if the Democrats are in the majority?

Second of all, we ought to be able to work it out. Third of all I don’t want to shut down the Senate. We’re in a war. We’re in a war. Shouldn’t we be doing the people’s business?

Apr 14, 2005



Doh!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (/qkBU)

52 >>>um....



>>>whew?

I'm disappointed, honestly. We could do a lot of fucking damage in the next four years without the filibuster. They couldn't do squat right now (since we have the House).

I suppose, in the long run though, it's for the best.


Posted by: Jeff B. at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (hIWe1)

53 **Reid didn't use the nuke-u-ler option for ObamaCare, not for the Budget Bill and CR standoffs, not for any other "signature" piece of Obama legislation.

Now he chooses to push the button?! Now?!? WT(ever-lovin')F??**

Judges.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (QxSug)

54 Dems want tyranny of the majority..thiers..

Posted by: Willy at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (Gm/A+)

55 In order to shove tax hikes down our throats - the left will have to do what they do best. Corruption.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (0fzsA)

56 Someone go slap the dog shit out of John McCain.
I'm on break.

Posted by: Cpl. Nguyen, NVA at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (gyHyY)

57 40
**Just got an email from someone in the Senate. It's not the filibuster
but the ability to change the Senate rules by simple majority vote
(instead of 2/3s vote). The rule they are trying to change has to do
with the ability to close off the option of offering amendments.**



um....



whew?


It takes-away the voice of the minority party.

Posted by: Miss80s at October 06, 2011 07:28 PM (d6QMz)

58 How about a resolution demanding that the Democrat Party apologize for slavery, the Civil War and Jim Crow. Also, take Robert Byrd's name off everything in West Virginia.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:28 PM (UlUS4)

59 They don't abide precedent, people. There's no rules of decorum for them. There's no politeness. There's no give and take.It's raw power and they won't stop.

I wish there were a way to make Republicans, especially those in the Senate, understand this.

Posted by: Slublog at October 06, 2011 07:28 PM (Rdq6Z)

60 >>>Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (/qkBU)

Hilariously overtaken by events. Read the update to the post, dude. False alarm.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 06, 2011 07:28 PM (hIWe1)

61 Looks like the Republicans were trying to force Reid into a vote on SCOAMF's jobs bill and Reid got offended.

Now what?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:29 PM (jx2j9)

62 Never fear my friends the gang of 14 was created for just such a circumcision, ah I mean stance.
Gang, gang come hither now and block this my friends, friends? Miss Lindsay, where's the gag, I mean gang, dammitt Lindsay get me the gang

Posted by: McCane Senile Senator fro AZ, thanks jackasses at October 06, 2011 07:29 PM (tHnoW)

63 Posted by: Cpl. Nguyen, NVA at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (gyHyY)
-----------------------------------

That's so bad it's good.

Posted by: Spiker at October 06, 2011 07:30 PM (4t9J5)

64 The Jackson resolution calls the name of the hunting camp “morally offensive” and
cites businessman Herman Cain as “the only Republican presidential
candidate to criticize Governor Rick Perry for being ‘insensitive’ when
the word was not immediately condemned;” the text of the resolution also “remind(s) Herman Cain that the word is not only ‘insensitive,’ but is also ‘offensive.’”



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Way to go Cain. Winning
the title “Tool of Dem Propaganda” isn’t the surest path to the GOP presidential nomination.



*Although John McCain might
disagree*

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 06, 2011 07:30 PM (QKKT0)

65 Bet Ruth Buzzy Ginchberg finally got the call from Obama telling her it's time to go to the Soylent Factory.

Kennedy's old ass will be soon after.

Obama's puppet masters see him losing and will want to pack the court with 45yo commies and whackaloons to balance the 2012 landslide in the Senate and White House.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:31 PM (4CSeG)

66
@20: "It would be PARTY TIME MOTHERFUCKERS next year if we win the White House and the Senate"
Riiiiight. The GOP would immediately reinstate the old way of doing things in the interest of collegiality and other bullshit.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 06, 2011 07:31 PM (2xfbm)

67 I wish there were a way to make Republicans, especially those in the Senate, understand this.
Posted by: Slublog at October 06, 2011 07:28 PM (Rdq6Z)


They witness it every fucking day and yet - AND YET - we still have assholes like McCain, Graham, the Maine Twins etc.

They are either stupid or complicit. Purge the party (electorally, of course).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:31 PM (UlUS4)

68

What if we wind up with 50+ squishes? Gevalt.

I'm just going with the (wildly optimistic, I realize) assumption that any new GOP Senators will be tea-party-ish types, enough to offset Scott Brown, Lindsay Grahamnesty and the Maine sisters.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 06, 2011 07:31 PM (dIHHd)

69 I'm sure many dems. know their majority is toast in 2012, and they know they'll be wanting all the leverage they can get when that happens. On the other hand, I'm thinking that a supreme court judge just whispered somethinginto somebody's ear.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 06, 2011 07:32 PM (Bx5t7)

70 Is this what this is all about; emergency commie court-packing as the clock ticks down?

Don't these votes have to go through both houses of Congress or just the Senate?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:33 PM (UlUS4)

71 AmishDude

There's actually video of Jesse Jackson reading the resolution at C-Span but the spam filter no likey!

RACIST!!1!

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:33 PM (rJVPU)

72
@60

The filibuster is just another Senate rule. Seems relevant.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 07:33 PM (/qkBU)

73
Someone go slap the dog shit out of John McCain.
I'm on break.


Posted by: Cpl. Nguyen, NVA at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (gyHyY)
That right there is some funny, funny shit.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:34 PM (4CSeG)

74 19 Good job there McCain, you clearly preserved the integrity of the Senate.
Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:18 PM (GULKT)
'Integrity of the Senate'....never thought I'd see those words used in a sentence.
Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:20 PM (X6akg)
Well I didn't say they had a lot of integrity. And its more about what that dumbass thought he was doing.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:34 PM (GULKT)

75 Why does Jesse Jackson Jr. hate the Hendrick Home for Children?

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:34 PM (73tyQ)

76 It was to stop McConnell from offering a vote on Obama's jobs plan.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:35 PM (d6QMz)

77 If Harry pulls this sort of move, then Boehner should flat out say not to bother bringing any legislation back to the House.
Eff the little shitheel.

Posted by: jjshaka at October 06, 2011 07:35 PM (C9nbS)

78 Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:34 PM (73tyQ)

What's this Jimi Hendrix home for school girls on Tardisil?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:35 PM (UlUS4)

79 Why does Jesse Jackson Jr. hate the Hendrick Home for Children?

Because they allow white kids to stay there.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:36 PM (4CSeG)

80 My friends, we all know that when that rock was painted with the offensive portion, was when The Rick and his daddy were Democrats, when The Rick became a Repub he painted over the rock and rolled it over, he should have had Cheney blast it with that quail blaster of his, now Miss Lindsay get me my gang we must approve this bill of my good friend Harrys er a block , Harrys ah er whateves

Posted by: McCane Senile Senator fro AZ, thanks jackasses at October 06, 2011 07:36 PM (tHnoW)

81 Harry Reid took one to many shots to the head as a failed boxer. Nonetheless, the Ginsburg explanation is the most likely. I fully expect the Dems to arrange for an "accident" if she doesn't "voluntarily" quit the scene soon.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:36 PM (6TB1Z)

82 Corker is questioning Reid.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:37 PM (d6QMz)

83 Heh. McConnell was probably itching to vote FOR Obama's tax increase bill. Harry the Constipated Tortoise just misunderstood.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:37 PM (4CSeG)

84 The fillibuster is the only thing holding together the constitutional federation of republics following the ratification of the 17th Amendment. Once it's gone, the US is in effect a democratic nation, god help us.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 06, 2011 07:38 PM (KI/Ch)

85 J.J. Sefton-

How about a resolution demanding that the Democrat Party apologize for slavery, the Civil War and Jim Crow. Also, take Robert Byrd's name off everything in West Virginia.

That would probably make them spontaneously combust...

*******

al-Cicero

Well they also tacked this piece of *advice* to the end of the measure-

Also included in the measure is a provision calling on Perry’s 2012 presidential rivals “who have not yet made strong statements of outrage over the rock that contained the word, to do so.”

I think we now know how the second part of the Bloomberg debate is going to go down.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:38 PM (rJVPU)

86 It was to stop McConnell from offering a vote on Obama's jobs plan.

That is small potatoes compared to the Supremes and Obamacare. It's always tempting to assign some dark, ulterior, as yet undiscerned motive to irrational behavior, but sometimes that's just what it is.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:38 PM (6TB1Z)

87 Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) on Thursday morning introduced the privileged resolution....
---------------------------------------

This fraudulent pimp should be glad he isn't in jail for trying to buy Obama's old Senate seat.

The only thing Jackson should be introducing is his own damn self to his illegitimate kids.

Posted by: Spiker at October 06, 2011 07:38 PM (4t9J5)

88
A liberal organizer told the Daily Caller on Thursday afternoon that
he paid some Hispanics to attend “Occupy DC” protests happening in the
nation’s capital.

TheDC attended the protest event, an expansion of the “Occupy Wall
Street” movement that began in New York City. Some aspects of the
protest, it turned out, are more Astroturf than grassroots.
dc caller

from drewms last twitter link of post


Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 07:39 PM (h+qn8)

89 Fucking DemonRats.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2011 07:39 PM (NBXv/)

90 strong statements of outrage over the rock that contained the word

Jeez, sounds like the Ten Commandments.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:39 PM (6TB1Z)

91 Some aspects of the
protest, it turned out, are more Astroturf than grassroots.

ya think?

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:40 PM (4CSeG)

92 Reid is whining that he was forced into this.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:40 PM (d6QMz)

93 Which party is always changing the rules in the middle of the game, when the rules are working against them? (rhetorical question, that)
Change the Senator appointment rule in Mass when Lurch is making like Presidential timber; then
Change'em back when Sen.Fat Bastard kicks off.
Senate rules are set at the beginning of each Congressional term for the following 2-year period. Changing them mid-term requires a 2/3 vote, unless you get the President of the Senate to rule in your favor to require a meremajority vote.
Dirtbag dem judges in Fla in 2000 try to change the vote counting laws during the election certification period. Takes the SCOTUS to nail down that loose shit.
Bastards would shank their sweet old grandmothers for a larger piece of pecan pie.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2011 07:40 PM (4q5tP)

94 OK, let's put this down in a coherent sentence:

Harry Reid engaged in the dreaded and unthinkable "nuclear option" in order to keep from having to schedule a vote on Obama's jobs bill.

Do I have that right?

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:40 PM (73tyQ)

95 Watch Ben Nelson Traitor D NE he is running TV ads for re-election and you would think he's to the right of DeMint on fiscal matters no mention of the Cornschucker Kickback or his majority makin vote on OBlahBLahcare.
Ben Nelson Traitor D NE is goin down faster than a hooker at a congressman convention, he's gonna be eatin a lot of pizza at home one of these days.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 07:41 PM (tHnoW)

96 86 That
is small potatoes compared to the Supremes and Obamacare. It's always
tempting to assign some dark, ulterior, as yet undiscerned motive to
irrational behavior, but sometimes that's just what it is.


No, no, turn on C-SPAN-2.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:41 PM (d6QMz)

97 53 **Reid didn't use the nuke-u-ler option for ObamaCare, not for the Budget Bill and CR standoffs, not for any other "signature" piece of Obama legislation. Now he chooses to push the button?! Now?!? WT(ever-lovin')F??** Judges.
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 07:27 PM (QxSug)
Yep I can see that. Otherwise, why would you waste your time doing this on a bill that should be DOA in the House. Do the nuclear option now, so that when there is a Senate only issue like a confirmation you can push it through without dealing with the fallout of the nuclear option then since that would get far more coverage than the confirmation.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:42 PM (GULKT)

98 I happen to agree with Rep. Jackson but not because Herman Cain is black. But because for once we have a man who tells his mind and has a REAL plan to demolish the current tax system and knows how to put us on the path to prosperity. I'm saying Paul Ryan for Treasury Secretary.

Posted by: dan in maryland at October 06, 2011 07:42 PM (vDA2X)

99 No, no, turn on C-SPAN-2.

I don't get that channel. What is it saying?

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:42 PM (6TB1Z)

100 philipaklein Basically, Reid has changed precedent so in future it will be even harder for minority party to offer amendments.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:42 PM (d6QMz)

101 51 votes, huh? Is there a Supreme Court vacancy coming up soon?

Posted by: Dax at October 06, 2011 07:42 PM (GRJTc)

102 Rick Perry should have all his appearances begin with the music of Tupac, NWA, and Biggie.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:43 PM (4CSeG)

103 Also included in the measure is a provision
calling on Perry’s 2012 presidential rivals “who have not yet made
strong statements of outrage over the rock that contained the word, to
do so.”





I think we now know how the second part of the Bloomberg debate is going to go down.







Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:38 PM (rJVPU)
The first part is about economic issues right?Governor Perry, you claim to have created jobs in Texas, but when faced with you opportunity to hire a demo team to go Taliban on your best friend the racist rock, you passed. How does a racist like you expect to create jobs when you insensitively paint over it and not even hire a Mexican to do it?

Posted by: Bloombucks TV at October 06, 2011 07:43 PM (KI/Ch)

104 OT:

Levin talking about the government starting to draw up health care plans for the general public.

Over at Drudge in red type.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 06, 2011 07:44 PM (UlUS4)

105 Forcing a vote on the jobs bill would have been a great strategy to take it off of SCOAMF's teleprompter for blaming the R's.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:44 PM (jx2j9)

106 Nope, Supreme Court judges advice and consent of just the Senate.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 06, 2011 07:44 PM (dZ756)

107 99
I don't get that channel. What is it saying?

Livestream

He is blaming the Republicans into forcing him to expedite.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:44 PM (d6QMz)

108 OK, let's put this down in a coherent sentence:Harry Reid
engaged in the dreaded and unthinkable "nuclear option" in order to keep
from having to schedule a vote on Obama's jobs bill.Do I have that right?

Simpler, more coherent version: these people are deranged.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:45 PM (6TB1Z)

109 I don't know if I'm going to feel like allowing this kind of thing much longer.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:45 PM (4CSeG)

110 OT but kinda kinda related re: scorched earth:
Bill Ayers has released the collective statement of the OWS protesters.
Via Weasel Zippers link to Bill Ayers sight.
Riiiiiiight. Grass roots my ass.

Posted by: Derak at October 06, 2011 07:45 PM (8tAhu)

111 The undemocratic party is scum, pure scum. I never thought I would see this nonsense!

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 06, 2011 07:46 PM (ACkhT)

112 He is blaming the Republicans into forcing him to expedite.

Well sure, that's what he says. What he means is that this is to prevent the overthrow of humanity by the giant worms of planet Xenon 3.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:46 PM (6TB1Z)

113 Did it pass

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 07:47 PM (tHnoW)

114 Why do I feel that Mitch McConnell is like a condom with a giant perforation in it?

Posted by: Heartless SOB Hobbit at October 06, 2011 07:47 PM (EL+OC)

115 OK, let's put this down in a coherent sentence:
Harry Reid
engaged in the dreaded and unthinkable "nuclear option" in order to keep
from having to schedule a vote on Obama's jobs bill.
Do I have that right?

It's for more than just this one bill, is my understanding.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:47 PM (d6QMz)

116 McConnell has found a ball...not a set...but one.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:48 PM (X6akg)

117 How did Ben Nelson Traitor D NE vote?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 07:48 PM (tHnoW)

118 Governor Perry, you claim to have created jobs in Texas, but when faced with you opportunity to hire a demo team to go Taliban on your best friend the racist rock, you passed. How does a racist like you expect to create jobs when you insensitively paint over it and not even hire a Mexican to do it?

LOL.

Cripes the hell of it is-

odds are a Dem named that frickin' rock.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:48 PM (rJVPU)

119 The undemocratic party is scum, pure scum. I never thought I would see this nonsense!
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 06, 2011 07:46 PM (ACkhT)

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2011 07:49 PM (4q5tP)

120 The SCOAMF presser..........Reid's shenanigans..........and the fools soiling Wall Street have convinced me of one thing.

I need more food and ammo.

Posted by: Mr. Blue at October 06, 2011 07:49 PM (4t9J5)

121 Anybody see Zero's hand in this? 'Cause I do. It's scorched earth time, dudes.

Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at October 06, 2011 07:49 PM (4sQwu)

122 McConnell is right, Reid is trying to make the Senate function like the House.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:49 PM (d6QMz)

123 I bet this will have more to do with appointing a special prosecuter to examine Holder than anything else.
Mark it.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (WnIbn)

124 Rick Skerry was a rat when he visited the rock and so was his daddy he switched about 12 years ago

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (tHnoW)

125 Rick Perry should just pour one for his homies...right before the debate starts.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (rJVPU)

126 McConnell for VP! Get that useless asshole out of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (GULKT)

127 I have placed black rocks and brown rocks in many prominent locations on my estate.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (QKKT0)

128 Could this be in preparation to block an Impeachment Trial?

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (4CSeG)

129 It's for more than just this one bill, is my understanding.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:47 PM (d6QMz)
I am gathering that it's technically for just this bill, but that precedent has been set. The reason why this is a big deal is that it's never been done before.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (73tyQ)

130 If I was married to Harry Reid (spit, gag, puke,), I would not believe one word he says.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:51 PM (X6akg)

131 "Sanitation becoming a concern"
I hope they all fucking die of cholera. Don't I don't denounce myself.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2011 07:52 PM (WnIbn)

132
126
McConnell for VP! Get that useless asshole out of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (GULKT)
Wouldn't that make him President of the Senate?

Posted by: mugiwara at October 06, 2011 07:52 PM (KI/Ch)

133 Not enough lightpoles in DC. Not enough at all.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2011 07:52 PM (4q5tP)

134 I bet this will have more to do with appointing a special prosecuter to examine Holder than anything else

I guess I'm slow. Doesn't this make it easier for the majority party to pass something they like, but doesn't help them stop something they don't?

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2011 07:53 PM (6TB1Z)

135 Hello tyranny!

Posted by: teh Wind at October 06, 2011 07:53 PM (1kwr2)

136 This doesn't mean I'm going to accidentally hear Reid speak? It creeps me out. The guys should do horror movies.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2011 07:53 PM (WnIbn)

137 Harry Reid and the damn democrats seem to think people aren't paying attention. Heck, I just told my wife and in-laws who are visiting about this, these are hard core democrats, and they are pissed at Reid and the entire undemocratic party. These people are flushing the entire party down the toilet, I'm seriously thinking 2012 will be a massive backlash, every dem I know, who are probably some of the few remaining conservative dems, are livid at the dems.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 06, 2011 07:53 PM (ACkhT)

138
I have placed black rocks and brown rocks in many prominent locations on my estate.
Posted by: Mitt Romney




We prefer to be called Igneous-Americans.

You racist.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 07:53 PM (/qkBU)

139 I think that this will hurt the dems a lot more than it helps them. I don't see how this can be sold as anything other than dirty politics especially now with all of the scandals going on.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 07:54 PM (jx2j9)

140 Who let the dogs out? Wooh...Wooh......

I'll never forget when Romney sang that song while taking a photo with black children in 2008.

I was thinking.....he gets us. He really gets us.

Posted by: Mr. Blue at October 06, 2011 07:54 PM (4t9J5)

141 The repukes play by the rules. When they win back the Senate the rules will go back to what they were and their collegues on the democrat side will be respected and honored. Fucking makes me sick. The tail is wagging the dog and has been for a while.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 06, 2011 07:54 PM (jucos)

142 We prefer to be called Ignominieous-Americans.

Posted by: Harry Reid and his entire stinking cabal at October 06, 2011 07:55 PM (6TB1Z)

143 I used to have a little motorized piggy bank for Halloween that was shaped like a coffin. It had opened and a little skeleton reached up and grabbed the coin and took it back inside.

It looked just like Harry Reid.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:55 PM (4CSeG)

144 Perry white washed the rock.

Think about that!

Perry used white out!

He admits that!

Posted by: Jesssssssseeee! the jr. at October 06, 2011 07:56 PM (rJVPU)

145 This coupled with the astroturf "occupiers" smells to high heaven. They said it was going to get dirty...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at October 06, 2011 07:56 PM (5Wl/f)

146 Pep, they would just introduce an different bill or an amendmentthat would effectivelykeep from sanctioning the special prosecuter. It's not black and white, they can essentially do anything they want--it's like having the 60 vote fillibuster senate back without having it back.
Tell you what, if I were a republican on the house side they would get shit not even parking.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2011 07:56 PM (WnIbn)

147 129
I
am gathering that it's technically for just this bill, but that
precedent has been set. The reason why this is a big deal is that it's
never been done before.

Exactly.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 07:56 PM (d6QMz)

148 JUDGES. Reid just admitted why he did it. Its the judges waiting for approval.

fucker

Posted by: exsanguine at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (PqpNx)

149 I think that this will hurt the dems a lot more than it helps them. I
don't see how this can be sold as anything other than dirty politics
especially now with all of the scandals going on.

What better time to pull this than when all the soft-heads are tuned into Michael Jackson trial bullshit and filthy hippies?

These "protests" are taking the heat out of Fast and Furious.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (4CSeG)

150 My rule: Anything Reid is for I'm agen. And Reid sucked in "Casino"

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (aYQHH)

151 Reid, if you're so worried about getting things done...where's the effing budget!?

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (X6akg)

152 DeMint on Levin discussing..

Posted by: Willy at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (Gm/A+)

153 132 126 McConnell for VP! Get that useless asshole out of the Senate.
Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (GULKT)
Wouldn't that make him President of the Senate?
Posted by: mugiwara at October 06, 2011 07:52 PM (KI/Ch)
Yeah sureand so that would give him as much power as Joe Biden currently has. So you next to zero. "Promotion" to a position of less power.
I should have said get that useless asshole out of the prominent power position of the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 07:58 PM (GULKT)

154 Isn't this just proving the point that most of them have been there too long?

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 07:59 PM (X6akg)

155 Providing we actually have elected officials who have the stones to actually do what the were elected to do.
Don't say stones. It reminds people of the rock which had a magically upsetting word on it 30 years ago that no one now would know about if some douchebag didn't stir up the media and even some asshole people on the right to make an issue out of it.
This may have done if for me with Cain. Shit pisses me off.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2011 07:59 PM (WnIbn)

156 "Sanitation becoming a concern"
--------------------------------

So the 3rd World meets....the 3rd World........in NYC?

Posted by: Mr. Blue at October 06, 2011 08:00 PM (4t9J5)

157 Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:57 PM (4CSeG)

I agree only partially. The heat has never really been on Fast and Furious. The MFM except for one lonely CBS reporter is still, for the most part, ignoring it. Trapper too, to his credit. But a Republican appointed AG would have already been forced to resign - by Republicans probably.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 08:01 PM (jx2j9)

158 Levin saying they can ram home legislation as fast as they can now..

He'll have DeMint on after the commercial break.

What I'm hearing is that Reid just fucked us with sandy vaseline.

Posted by: Willy at October 06, 2011 08:01 PM (Gm/A+)

159 The undemocratic party is scum, pure scum. I never thought I would see this nonsense!
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 06, 2011 07:46 PM (ACkhT)
I sure hope you didn't listen to Beck this morning.
I wanted to fly to NY,steal aconcrete truck and plow through the "Occupy Wall Street" idiots in high gear.

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2011 08:01 PM (wui0r)

160 Levin saying they can ram home legislation as fast as they can now..

No they can't. It will never get past the House

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 06, 2011 08:02 PM (aYQHH)

161 I agree only partially. The heat has never really
been on Fast and Furious. The MFM except for one lonely CBS reporter is
still, for the most part, ignoring it. Trapper too, to his credit.
But a Republican appointed AG would have already been forced to resign -
by Republicans probably.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2011 08:01 PM (jx2j9)
Actually, Obama and the Dems had better try to engineer some resignations, and quickly. There's one way that Republicans can get around the media -- ads from presidential candidates.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 08:03 PM (73tyQ)

162 we Suck for Luck!1!1!!1!!!

Posted by: The Miami Dolphins at October 06, 2011 08:03 PM (le5qc)

163 A majority vote?!

What kind of fascist dictatorship are Democrats running?

Posted by: JEA at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (AwsxH)

164 Sen. Wicker-R-Mississippi is ripping Harry a new one.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (X6akg)

165 i feel we're being set up.

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (h+qn8)

166 144 Perry white washed the rock.
---------------------------------------

For God's sake. The black unemployment rate is the highest since the Great Depression and all my black co-workers want to talk about is Rick Perry's rock.

I told them that this is why your community is screwed.

Anyone who thinks the black community isn't coming out strong for Obama in 2012 is deluding themselves.

Posted by: Mr. Blue at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (4t9J5)

167
Levin saying they can ram home legislation as fast as they can now..

Levin should switch to Sanka....after he's finished sucking Hannity's mangina.

Posted by: Heartless SOB Hobbit at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (EL+OC)

168 gah, i'm feeling way to much lately , must be my former dem person slipping out.

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (h+qn8)

169
"What I'm hearing is that Reid just fucked us with sandy vaseline."

Oh no, here we go again.

Posted by: the chicken at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (s9yut)

170 Here's hoping JEA shows up on Obama's assassination list....

Posted by: Lee at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (FkC8S)

171 Who farted?

Oh, it's JEA.

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (wui0r)

172 I gotta say, these repubs are much calmer than I would have been, and heck I'm not even a republican. "disappointed", "my friend", how about using"disgusted", "cowards".

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (ACkhT)

173
The gloss from RollCall:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid put the hammer down against the GOP today, setting a new precedent that clamps down on procedural motions after cloture has been reached.

The Nevada Democrat warned that allowing unchecked motions to suspend the rules could lead to unending debate, even after 60 Senators have voted to invoke cloture. However, the presiding officer at the time, Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), ruled that such motions are not dilatory — a term of art meaning that they are intended to delay. In a convoluted power play, Reid moved that the ruling of the chair be sustained — a simple-majority vote that he wanted to lose and did, 48-51.

The power move by Reid appeared similar to a proposed “nuclear option” of changing the rules with a simple majority, but would keep the filibuster and the 60-vote threshold.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned that Reid was changing the precedents of the Senate simply to avoid voting on several motions to suspend the rules sought by the GOP.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 08:05 PM (/qkBU)

174 This whole 'my friend' shit has got to go.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 08:06 PM (X6akg)

175 i.e. the secret NSA list Obama uses to assassinate American citizens.

Posted by: Lee at October 06, 2011 08:06 PM (FkC8S)

176 Husein, I believe cbs decided Atkinson had to quit reporting?

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:06 PM (h+qn8)

177 This is an OT request, but it's one of those civics thingies I never learned and don't understand. What's the deal with executive orders? It seems like they're just a way for the president to do whatever he wants. What was the intention - it seems very antithetical to the whole representative democracy thing. I'm willing to read if someone has a good source of civics basics....

Posted by: someone at October 06, 2011 08:06 PM (bqjJT)

178 160
Levin saying they can ram home legislation as fast as they can now..





No they can't. It will never get past the House

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 06, 2011 08:02 PM (aYQHH)
Exactly. The only thing they can use this on is judges.In fact, I think that if the R's take the WH and the Senate, most Dems would be more than happy for the mean ol' Republicans to use the nuke option to repeal Obamacare. They get to get rid of an albatross (it's always better for Dems to pine for universal health care than to actually have it and Obamacare is just the DMV on steroids) and get to blame Republicans. Win/win.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 08:07 PM (73tyQ)

179 >>So, the GOP wins the Senate in '12, nukes the filibuster and then repeals ObamaCare?<<

You're assuming the Dems are going to allow elections to take place in 2012. I'm not.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 06, 2011 08:07 PM (ED4oz)

180
@102: "Rick Perry should have all his appearances begin with the music of Tupac, NWA, and Biggie"

Nah, he can just enter to my 1974, 1976, and 1983 albums.

Posted by: Zombie Richard Pryor at October 06, 2011 08:07 PM (2xfbm)

181 Oh gawd....Schumer found the camera.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 08:08 PM (X6akg)

182 They are going to get away with this because most of America-thinks Congress-all of it -the Senate and the House is Republican.

If you asked them-they would guess that Harry Reid is republican.

Hence, Obama today at the end of his 1 hour and 12 minute speech making the threat to run against a-

"Do Nothing Congress".

That translates to Republicans...and Obama knows one thing-his base is that ignorant.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:08 PM (rJVPU)

183 If I really cared, I'm sure I could go back and find somewhere where this JEA dipshit was crying about BOOOOOOOSH and the GOP changing the rules.

But I don't care.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 08:09 PM (4CSeG)

184 i feel we're being set up.
Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:04 PM (h+qn

Yeah. I think your right. I guess if this is for the sake of getting another leftist judge on the SCOTUS, we can kissan unconstitutionalruling on Ocare goodbye, among many other things the senate can do now.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 06, 2011 08:09 PM (Bx5t7)

185 Send Pitchforks, Tar and Feathers.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2011 08:09 PM (NBXv/)

186 "A subsequent vote to uphold the ruling failed 48 -51, effectively
changes the rules of the Senate to make it all but impossible for the
minority party to offers amendments to a piece of legislation after
cloture has been invoked. McConnell planned to use the rule to force a
vote on President Obama’s jobs bill, but Reid objected." (NRO)

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 08:11 PM (d6QMz)

187 Dems better hope they never become the minority

Posted by: Defector at October 06, 2011 08:13 PM (BxxIm)

188 Unfortunately,and I hate to say it, for my manhood's sake, but I'm beginning to know what Barney Frank's assfeels like on a Saturday night.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 06, 2011 08:13 PM (Bx5t7)

189 The sheer clusterbuggery of this move is astonishing.

Landslide loss coming. Obamacare bound to be ruled unConstitutional.

Easy. Pack the court with commies.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 08:13 PM (4CSeG)

190 yeah i'm with whoever up there commented about their lack of civics.

i'm going to the library in the morning and borrow some books, i hate being in the dark about how much damage this could cause to our right to representation from our side.

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:13 PM (h+qn8)

191 I am watching it on CSPAN now. The thing about the SCOAMF, he NEVER.KNOWS.WHEN.TO.STOP.TALKING. Talktalktalk. Repeat same points.

Poor dude; no TOTUS.

Posted by: Ducatisti at October 06, 2011 08:15 PM (KYE7u)

192 In fact, I think that if the R's take the WH and the Senate, most Dems would be more than happy for the mean ol' Republicans to use the nuke option to repeal Obamacare. They get to get rid of an albatross (it's always better for Dems to pine for universal health care than to actually have it and Obamacare is just the DMV on steroids) and get to blame Republicans. Win/win.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 08:07 PM (73tyQ)
Hasn't it been speculated that we can use the same tactic to repeal it that they used to pass it. Would that process even end up at a point that the filibuster could happen?

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 08:15 PM (GULKT)

193 An easy rule to remember about US Constitutional Law.

If a Democrat is involved, you won't find it in the Constitution.

Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 08:16 PM (4CSeG)

194 This is from The Hill-how the vote went down-

The Senate voted 51-48 to back Reid and overturn the Senate precedent. Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.) was the only Democrat to vote against his leader.

The surprise move stunned Republicans, who did not expect Reid to bring heavy artillery to what had been a humdrum knife fight over amendments to China currency legislation.

******

What the hell?

Was there a particular amendment that was going to be offered by the Republicans on the China currency bill that scared the crap out of 'em?

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:16 PM (rJVPU)

195 What the hell?



Was there a particular amendment that was going to be offered by the
Republicans on the China currency bill that scared the crap out of 'em?

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:16 PM (rJVPU)
Yeah, Obama's job bill.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 08:17 PM (X6akg)

196 Yeah. I think your right. I
guess if this is for the sake of getting another leftist judge on the
SCOTUS, we can kissan unconstitutionalruling on Ocare goodbye, among
many other things the senate can do now.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 06, 2011 08:09 PM (Bx5t7)
I hate to tell you, but the GOP is not, with the current numbers, going to filibuster a SCOTUS judge. Too many squishes who don't believe in filibustering SCOTUS candidates.Besides, everything stops for SCOTUS hearings. If we filibuster somebody, there will be nothing but talk of the filibuster 24/7.Lower court judges, however, can be stalled indefinitely without much notice.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 08:17 PM (73tyQ)

197 The surprise move stunned Republicans, who did not expect Reid to
bring heavy artillery to what had been a humdrum knife fight over
amendments to China currency legislation.


ok, i get this, somewhat.

now there were earlier comments about a precedent being set.

how will this reflect on further legislation moving forward, do we or do we not have representation, or can this be pulled on any legislation offered from here on out?

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:19 PM (h+qn8)

198
Da vote:

Question: On the Decision of the Chair (Shall the Decision of the Chair Stand as the Judgment of the Senate

YEAs - 48
NAYs - 51
Not Voting - 1

D Yeas - Nelson (D-NE Oh God please re-elect me!)
R Noes - None (Scott Brown hit the wrong key)
Not Voting - Boxer (D-CA)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 08:20 PM (/qkBU)

199 194
...Was there a particular amendment that was going to be offered by the
Republicans on the China currency bill that scared the crap out of 'em?

Obama's jobs bill. McConnell wanted to force a vote on the original bill, and Reid had supposedly agreed to that during Obama's presser. But this afternoon, Roll Call reported that the Dems were going to block that vote and wait until next week. No one on the R side knew that meant changing the rules.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 08:20 PM (d6QMz)

200 I guess I should have read the rest of the Hill article-still-I think there must be something more to it than just this....

The chair, which was occupied by Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), ruled under the advice of the Senate parliamentarian that Republicans had the right to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules and proceed to President Obama’s controversial jobs bill.

Republicans planned to use this right of the minority to embarrass Obama by showing that many Democrats do not support his jobs package as originally drafted. But Reid moved to kill their plan by appealing the chair’s ruling, triggering a vote.

The maneuver is arcane but momentous. If a simple majority of the Senate votes with Reid and strikes down the ruling, the chamber’s precedent will be changed through the unilateral action of one party.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:21 PM (rJVPU)

201 how will this
reflect on further legislation moving forward, do we or do we not have
representation, or can this be pulled on any legislation offered from
here on out?


Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:19 PM (h+qn
It basically means that the minority party cannot offer any amendments to bills. In effect, silencing them.

Posted by: Tami at October 06, 2011 08:21 PM (X6akg)

202 I sure hope the SCOTUS folks have damn good bodyguards and I'm not talking about Ruthie or other near death commies on the bench that they may want to replace with fresh blood.

Posted by: palerider at October 06, 2011 08:21 PM (dkExz)

203 Miss'80's

Thanks.

How many times has this "option" been used before...?

I'm off to bing to try to figure that one out.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:22 PM (rJVPU)

204 oy

Posted by: willow at October 06, 2011 08:22 PM (h+qn8)

205 128
Could this be in preparation to block an Impeachment Trial?


Posted by: sifty thinks that guy is a fuckin commie at October 06, 2011 07:50 PM (4CSeG)
- - -Could be for this. Keeping Obama's presidential records sealed at his whim after his 1 term.

Posted by: Flounder at October 06, 2011 08:22 PM (Kkt/i)

206 WTF?

Posted by: CDR M at October 06, 2011 08:24 PM (Ybl9g)

207 Tami

Thanks-I read these threads backwards-still it smells like something more.../

Who the hell pays attention to the Senate votes-Obama's base!?

******

Hmmm...Boxer must be out trying to find green jobs for Cali...

or was she there and abstained?

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:24 PM (rJVPU)

208 Here's the list of Repubs who can proudly tell "the folks back home" that they voted for the phony Chinese currency bill that's going nowhere: Brown, MA; Burr, NC.; Chambliss, GA; Cochran, MS; Collins, MA; Graham, SC; Isaacson, GA; Portman, OH; Sessions, AL; Shelby, AL; Snow, ME.
Courtesy of Mark Levin

Posted by: RushBabe at October 06, 2011 08:24 PM (tQHzJ)

209 If Reid does this, it will be that much easier to repeal Obamacare in
2013 after the Pubs re-take the Senate. They won't need 60 seats
anymore, just a squish proof margin of 3 or so.

The donks would switch the rule back in a lame duck session to avoid that.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 06, 2011 08:25 PM (ijjAe)

210 Flounder....

wow-that's how you say-very interesting.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:26 PM (rJVPU)

211 Burr, NC.; Chambliss, GA; Cochran, MS; Collins, MA; Graham, SC; Isaacson, GA; Portman, OH; Sessions, AL; Shelby, AL; Snow, ME.
Courtesy of Mark Levin
Posted by: RushBabe at October 06, 2011 08:24 PM (tQHzJ)
Looks like I take my lunch time tomorrow to visit Burr's office, again. Fucking asswipe.

Posted by: Steph at October 06, 2011 08:26 PM (efOx/)

212 He keeps coming up to stopping points, and yet NEVER stops. He just drones on.

He was pouting. His fewlings are hurt. Yeesh.

Posted by: Ducatisti at October 06, 2011 08:27 PM (KYE7u)

213 Worse than changing the rules by majority, this was a revolt against the rules.

The chair ruled. Reid then motioned to do what the chair ruled, even though the Senate would follow the ruling without the motion. The Democratic party then voted down the motion to respect the ruling of the chair.

They didn't adopt a new rule. They just said "fuck the rules. We're not playing by them."

In a sane world they'd be drummed out of the chamber.

Posted by: f2000 at October 06, 2011 08:27 PM (FcMtg)

214 Oh, barf.

Is there nothing the Jug-eared Jesus can't do?







If someone already posted it...too bad. I can't read and entire day of comments!

Posted by: As If! at October 06, 2011 08:28 PM (piMMO)

215 SCOAMF did use TOTUS today at his presser. What a fool.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 06, 2011 08:31 PM (jucos)

216 ♫ And then the old Senate corpse-man
Calls for a vote to change established precedent
For temporary shallow partisan gain… ♫

Posted by: Schoolhouse Racist Rock at October 06, 2011 08:31 PM (w41GQ)

217 This piece explains it well.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 08:32 PM (d6QMz)

218 The Dems are in their death throes. The final convulsions of a once great political party. The Jacksonians have left the building and the turds protesting in NYC on Soros' dime can't prop them up.

They have turned against their masters in China and on Wall Street.

I say tariff the Chinese bastards while they can't do anything about it. Send the bill to Obama and let him stand up for the exportation of jobs to slave labor China with a presidential veto.

Once again, the Dems have painted themselves into a corner. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Mark Levin has become a process wonk. It's not about the destruction of the filibuster. That will be our friend in a year and a half. It's about China, which the average American still considers an enemy. Which it is.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at October 06, 2011 08:33 PM (UK3qx)

219 The Senate website has a glossary of terms here.

cloture-The
only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on
consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a
filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit
consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by
vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 06, 2011 08:34 PM (d6QMz)

220
@217

I think this part of that interpetaion might be a bit off:

And just to clear up some confusion, what happened tonight was different than the so-called "nuclear option" to end filibusters. While triggering the "nuclear option" requires a Majority Leader to use the same sort of strategic maneuvers as Reid just did, tonight's move had to do with the amendment process, not filibusters.

Although this action didn't detonate the nuclear option on the filibuster directly, it sure looks like the Dems have taken off the Permissive Action Links so they can do so on a case by basis when they need to.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 06, 2011 08:38 PM (/qkBU)

221 Posted by: As If! at October 06, 2011 08:28 PM (piMMO)

Oh jeebus! Boy these rats really seek out novel theories as to why crime rates drop to prop up their messiah. Couldn't have anything to do with more favorable carry laws and increased gun ownership. Can it?

I can't find the stats/article, but I believe that NY and CA had not so favorable crime rate stats while the rest of the country did. Could it just be that CA and NY just wasn't getting the Wan's inspiring message?

Posted by: Flounder at October 06, 2011 08:39 PM (Kkt/i)

222 Ya so I'm trying to search it out and most of the time the Senate has done this maneuver to end filibusters and/or for judicial appointments.

Byrd did it four times .

Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) was able to effect rule changes by majority vote four times when he was majority leader despite the formal requirement for a two-thirds vote: to ban post-cloture filibustering (1977), to adopt a rule to limit amendments to an appropriations bill (1979), to allow a senator to make a non-debatable motion to bring a nomination to the floor (1980), and to ban filibustering during a roll call vote (1987).[13] These actions have been cited as precedent for the nuclear option.[wiki]

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:42 PM (rJVPU)

223 This would not have happened if Sarah Palin had gotten in the race.





Yeah, I know. I denounce myself.

Posted by: filbert at October 06, 2011 08:43 PM (smvTK)

224 Byrd of course being the exception.

Posted by: tasker at October 06, 2011 08:44 PM (rJVPU)

225 Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) was able to effect rule changes by majority vote four times

Anyone know where Byrd was interred? I would like to relieve myself over his resting place.

Posted by: Heartless SOB Hobbit at October 06, 2011 08:45 PM (EL+OC)

226
It would take exactly the same effort to destroy the filibuster... and the liberals just proved they are willing to use the process.
Scary, indeed.

Posted by: knob at October 06, 2011 08:49 PM (86+Oi)

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Posted by: The Dovekeepers Epub at October 06, 2011 08:59 PM (1Sw89)

228 This would not have happened if Sarah Palin had gotten in the race.Yeah, I know. I denounce myself.




Or if Mike Castle were there.

I denounce myself as well.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 06, 2011 09:12 PM (dIHHd)

229 217
This piece explains it well.

I should say that it needs to be clearer on process on the floor:


(1) Presiding officer Mark Begich (D-AK) rules by advise of the Senate
Parliamentarian that McConnell has the right to force a vote



(2) Reid appeals to sustain the ruling of the chair, a vote he wishes to lose



(3) Ruling is not sustained

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Posted by: The Ballad of Tom Dooley AudioBook at October 06, 2011 09:38 PM (SpVD8)

232 Sort of O/T, but not really. It just clicked in my brain why I can't warm up to Romney- he is just a more polished version of Reid. There is a similarity in a willingness to be sneaky.

Posted by: museisluse at October 06, 2011 09:38 PM (4Lj43)

233 I've said this before and I'll say it again... I do not have enough ammo. I do, possibly, have enough food, gasoline, and booze. The end is nigh, morons. The end is nigh.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 09:49 PM (otfJ1)

234 Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 09:49 PM (otfJ1)
How much gasoline is enough

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 09:57 PM (tHnoW)

235 Eh, right now I have 6 five-gallon cans plus full tanks in the truck and the 'vette. It's enough to keep the freezer going for a couple of weeks and enough to get me to my safe place when I can't shelter in place any longer.

Sad. A short time ago, I wasn't paranoid. Now, I'm prepared.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 09:59 PM (otfJ1)

236 Since the dems now no longer need repubs to make changes to the senate rules, I fully expect to see rule changes legally designating Harry Reid* as "President of the Senate", "A Majority of the Senate", "Two Thirds of the Senate", and possibly "The Senate" itself, while they're at it.

((* my conspiracy hat prefers Chuckie Schumer in the role, as he (even more than Reid) personifies my idea of the perfect shitweasely democrat.))

Posted by: right at October 06, 2011 10:07 PM (RzLbD)

237
(Scott Brown hit the wrong key)

Since his election, he kind of has.

Posted by: right at October 06, 2011 10:10 PM (RzLbD)

238 so, is this still the crossing of the rubicon or a complete misunderstanding. Can we look forward to Supreme Court Justice Michael Moore?

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2011 10:10 PM (u9B7L)

239 ammo count?

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:14 PM (x3YFz)

240 I have several boxes stored at various locations in the house but I picked up 400 rounds yesterday because I found a sale.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:15 PM (otfJ1)

241 Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 09:59 PM (otfJ1)
Three vehicles full gonna get some gas cans what size generator? Sams has a 8125 for 999, 13 hp honda.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at October 06, 2011 10:19 PM (tHnoW)

242 My generator is in the back shed. If not, I'd get you an answer tonight. The generator I have kept me in business for 10 days with no power when the tornados hit here in April.

In the ten years that I've been in my house, I'd never been without power for more than 10 minutes. I don't know why I told my parents I'd take their generator when they moved. Packrat tendencies, I suspect. I will not ever be without a generator again. April in Alabama taught me what I really need to survive when it's just up to me - no power, no water, no phone, no Internet. I'm almost ready.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:25 PM (otfJ1)

243 240
I have several boxes stored at various locations in the house but I picked up 400 rounds yesterday because I found a sale.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:15 PM (otfJ1)
the cases of green-tip 5.56 from cheaperthandirt are easy on the wallet. same for .40.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:27 PM (x3YFz)

244 gotta get mags tho. I need a few more mags for my p229 and my 2 glocks. 'spenive fkers.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:30 PM (x3YFz)

245 Thanks for the advice, T9. I'll check it out. I'm heading to a gun show weekend after next and will look out for that and will also check out the site.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:40 PM (otfJ1)

246 I am not accurate with the glocks but I'm assuming the p229 is a Sig? I have a p226 and want a 228.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:41 PM (otfJ1)

247 While it saddens me to say this, I fear it may be time for a divorce, meaning to disolve the union. There may simply be too much cultural difference between the left and the right for the country to function well and I don't want to live under the lefts econimic policies.

Posted by: james at October 06, 2011 10:43 PM (glIvd)

248 246
I am not accurate with the glocks but I'm assuming the p229 is a Sig? I have a p226 and want a 228.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 10:41 PM (otfJ1)
yup it's a sig. .40. I love it.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:48 PM (x3YFz)

249 247
While it saddens me to say this, I fear it may be time for a divorce,
meaning to disolve the union. There may simply be too much cultural
difference between the left and the right for the country to function
well and I don't want to live under the lefts econimic policies.

Posted by: james at October 06, 2011 10:43 PM (glIvd)
so. yer sayin' you're a hippie but you've realized bein' a hippie is bad?

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:49 PM (x3YFz)

250 T9. I love to hear that. The first time I shot a Sig, I was the owner of a Walther PPK/S (a .380). I went to the range regularly. As you probably know, when you're a regular at the range, everyone lets you shoot their gun. I used to go during my lunch break from work, so, that meant I was usually wearing a suit and heels. I shot a Sig .45. I love, love, loved it but it was too much gun for me. It scooted me back about a half and inch. I knew I wanted a Sig. I ended up with a 9 mm and it is the best gun ever. However, I have the p226 and it's a bit large for purse carry. I want both.

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Posted by: nvvmc2c2c at October 06, 2011 10:54 PM (m1Y7w)

252 250
T9. I love to hear that. The first time I shot a Sig, I was the owner of
a Walther PPK/S (a .380). I went to the range regularly. As you
probably know, when you're a regular at the range, everyone lets you
shoot their gun. I used to go during my lunch break from work, so, that
meant I was usually wearing a suit and heels. I shot a Sig .45. I love,
love, loved it but it was too much gun for me. It scooted me back about a
half and inch. I knew I wanted a Sig. I ended up with a 9 mm and it is
the best gun ever. However, I have the p226 and it's a bit large for
purse carry. I want both.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch, TPT, Black Lace Panty Edition at October 06, 2011 10:51 PM (otfJ1)
having never fired a pistol in heels, I'll offer that the p229 is THE balance pistol. It brings the hate, but you can drop the front sight on target immediately. I have glocks, a very very sexy beretta 92E (9mm which I LOVE!) but at the end of the day, the 1 pistol I would bet my life on is my P229.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:56 PM (x3YFz)

253 The p229 conceals very well, also.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 10:58 PM (x3YFz)

254 And I have to say, I have a charter arms .44 special revolver that is just sex on a stick. But she's a beast and to awkward to conceal. Breaks my heart. She's my nightstand pistol, though.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:01 PM (x3YFz)

255 Those fucking bastards should NEVER have been allowed to sit in the government again after the Civil War. But Nooooo ........goddamned RINO's said we had to all get along so we let them lie about their loyalty and set them back in Congress. Now 146 years later the cocksuckers are making a move on us again.
They're like political termites...relentless, insatiable enemies of liberty.
If we're going to be stripped bare by these SOBs, then at least make sure they lose more than we do for their efforts. If we end up poor I want them destitute.

Posted by: torabora at October 06, 2011 11:01 PM (cenKv)

256 I love the look of the Ruger but I suck on accuracy with it. My son has a Glock and I wanted to like it but I'm also not accurate with that one. I bought a SW from a friend because I wanted a gun not purchased from a shop but found that I had the same problem with it that I had with the Lady Smith... hard trigger pull and, therefore, inaccurate shots. The Sigs will remain a favorite with me, as will the Walther. I also have a 20 gauge shotgun that I'm good with so I think I'm fairly adequately armed for a girl ;-).

I'll have to check out the p229. I want more fire power. For now, I'm counting on good ammo. I keep blue or silver glasers in my handgun and hope that's good enough if I need it, but I'd like a larger caliber.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:02 PM (otfJ1)

257 254
And I have to say, I have a charter arms .44 special revolver that is
just sex on a stick. But she's a beast and to awkward to conceal.
Breaks my heart. She's my nightstand pistol, though.


Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:01 PM (x3YFz)
"sex on a stick"... cracked me up. I had the opportunity to shoot a desert eagle twice (once here in H'ville and once at the FOP range in B'ham). After shooting that fun, I had the thought that I could probably become a nun if I had one of those. Unfortunately, neither is practical for carry. Bummer... but also, good. I'd really hate to be celibate.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:05 PM (otfJ1)

258 fun = gun... best typo ever!

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:06 PM (otfJ1)

259 256
I love the look of the Ruger but I suck on accuracy with it. My son has a
Glock and I wanted to like it but I'm also not accurate with that one. I
bought a SW from a friend because I wanted a gun not purchased
from a shop but found that I had the same problem with it that I had
with the Lady Smith... hard trigger pull and, therefore, inaccurate
shots. The Sigs will remain a favorite with me, as will the Walther. I
also have a 20 gauge shotgun that I'm good with so I think I'm fairly
adequately armed for a girl ;-).

I'll have to check out the
p229. I want more fire power. For now, I'm counting on good ammo. I keep
blue or silver glasers in my handgun and hope that's good enough if I
need it, but I'd like a larger caliber.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:02 PM (otfJ1)
ruger/taurus: no. no. no. never buy one of those pistols ever. ever. Did I say ever? Ever.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:13 PM (x3YFz)

260 glock is the baseline. MP, HK, Sig, Wather... but if you're going to carry you're going to commit to placing your life in the hands of the people that made your pistol.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:15 PM (x3YFz)

261 I will take/follow your advice. So far, I know the guns I like. I'm also very fortunate that my local range/shop has a "wall of guns". For the price of a box of ammo, I can shoot anything on the wall. It helps me decide on purchases.

What do you think about the HKs?

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:18 PM (otfJ1)

262 "but if you're going to carry you're going to commit to placing your life in the hands of the people that made your pistol."


Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:15 PM (x3YFz)

The one time I thought I needed my Walther, it jammed. That's why I have the Sig. Reliable all of the time. I've played in a few IDPA events and my Sig has never let me down.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:21 PM (otfJ1)

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:22 PM (x3YFz)

264 I have an HK P200 (.40) that I carry occasionally. I like it accuracy and its weight, what I don't like and I really dont like this: is that if you use factory mags, after you put the first round through it the mag jiggles at the bottom of the grip. small thing, but to me incredibly annoying. other than that, with a little adjustment and some duct tape, I do like my P2000.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:25 PM (x3YFz)

265 262
"but if you're going to carry you're going to commit to placing your life in the hands of the people that made your pistol."


Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:15 PM (x3YFz)

The
one time I thought I needed my Walther, it jammed. That's why I have
the Sig. Reliable all of the time. I've played in a few IDPA events and
my Sig has never let me down.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:21 PM (otfJ1)
I'm with you. I have a friend who's a deputy sheriff someplace. ParaOrdnance made a custom run .45 for his dept. I got one. It SUCKED. 6 misfeeds in 6 mags and the freakin' takedown pin slid .5mm and caused the slide to not lock back after the last round.

Last time I buy a pistol on his recommendation lol. Hit some army/marine blogs and see what the operators use. Then buy that

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:30 PM (x3YFz)

266 p2000? What is this of what you speak? Do I need to consult the google? I see guns that I like but after my bad experience with the SW, I'm reluctant to purchase without firing. I don't have enough access to gunsmiths to get guns I purchase modified to my taste. Right now, I know that the Sigs fit me. As do the Walthers. Other than that, I'm gambling.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:32 PM (otfJ1)

267 It may not sound manly, but a .45 compact is not for me. Just way too much. I'm far more comfortable with a .40. I'm 5'11", 190. I'm not a fat kid. But the short barrelled .45 is just far too unreliable for me. Maybe I'm just a wimp, but the .40 is just a better fit.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:35 PM (x3YFz)

268 Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:30 PM (x3YFz)

LOL! When I did the IDPA thing, we had a few HPD participants. Yes, I fucked up and let the slide cut open my thumb on a run between pillars, change out magazine scenario (bled all over my hand but not the range); however, I was the champion of the paper plate headed, lights-out scenario hostage instead of the guy (HPD) who shot the hostage...

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:35 PM (otfJ1)

269 266
p2000? What is this of what you speak? Do I need to consult the google? I
see guns that I like but after my bad experience with the SW, I'm
reluctant to purchase without firing. I don't have enough access to
gunsmiths to get guns I purchase modified to my taste. Right now, I know
that the Sigs fit me. As do the Walthers. Other than that, I'm
gambling.


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:32 PM (otfJ1)
aye. HK P2000 sexy sexy pistol.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:36 PM (x3YFz)

270 268
Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:30 PM (x3YFz)

LOL!
When I did the IDPA thing, we had a few HPD participants. Yes, I fucked
up and let the slide cut open my thumb on a run between pillars, change
out magazine scenario (bled all over my hand but not the range);
however, I was the champion of the paper plate headed, lights-out
scenario hostage instead of the guy (HPD) who shot the hostage...


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:35 PM (otfJ1)
You are going to make some man very very happy

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:38 PM (x3YFz)

271 Eh... I think I've made a few miserable over the years, T9. It'll be okay. I'm comfortable in my skin. I also have FWB who take care of those other things...

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:40 PM (otfJ1)

272 270
268
Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:30 PM (x3YFz)

LOL!
When I did the IDPA thing, we had a few HPD participants. Yes, I fucked
up and let the slide cut open my thumb on a run between pillars, change
out magazine scenario (bled all over my hand but not the range);
however, I was the champion of the paper plate headed, lights-out
scenario hostage instead of the guy (HPD) who shot the hostage...


Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:35 PM (otfJ1)
You are going to make some man very very happy


Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:38 PM (x3YFz)
I did the same thing running the navy combat pistol course way back in the day (I'm AF, we knew a guy who knew a guy). the off hand-1-hand relaod with a colt 911 got the webbing off my left hand I still have the scar.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:40 PM (x3YFz)

273 er. 1911. it's late.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:45 PM (x3YFz)

274 Gah. I hear you. There was a whole lot of blood but, much like when I was a duck hunter, I was the only gal there. I was not going to slow down the hunt/shoot/exercise. I do have a scar on my thumb. However, it was not because of a gun incident. It was once of the few blonde moments that I claim and it was related to my 'vette. Someday, I'll elaborate on that.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:46 PM (otfJ1)

275 I figured that's what you meant. It's getting late for me, too. Hope to chat with you more later!

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:47 PM (otfJ1)

276 ima, I like you you're a wild woman. stay in touch.

Posted by: tangonine at October 06, 2011 11:50 PM (x3YFz)

277 Awesomeness, T9 - same to you!

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at October 06, 2011 11:51 PM (otfJ1)

278 I hope you never stop! This is one of the best blogs Ive ever read. Youve got some mad skill here, man. I just hope that you dont lose your style because youre definitely one of the coolest bloggers out there. Please keep it up because the internet needs someone like you spreading the word.

Posted by: The Great Enigma ePub at October 07, 2011 12:33 AM (sNViZ)

279 This is going to bite the Democrats in the ass hard several ways once
they find themselves in the minority.

You're actually assuming that the Democrats are going to play fair in the 2012 elections. Wow, that kind of naivety is kind of cute, really.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 07, 2011 12:41 AM (i0App)

280 www.genset-china.com

Posted by: christine at October 07, 2011 12:57 AM (qinpH)

281 Dingy Harry's a piker. I would have killed the opposition.

Posted by: Kim Jong-Il at October 07, 2011 01:53 AM (o44nj)

282 This is going to bite the Democrats in the ass hard several ways once they find themselves in the minority.
Not a fucking chance. McConnell doesn't have the balls to continue the war in 2013.
Related, Boehner doesn't have the balls to retaliate in the House now, even though he should.

Posted by: steveegg at October 07, 2011 01:56 AM (o44nj)

283 www.parts-machining.com

Posted by: christine at October 07, 2011 02:07 AM (qinpH)

284
They plan to stack the court. And are setting the ground work. If they did this directly involved in the appointment of a judge we would know to get the public up in arms, but setting the precedent over a nothing vote. We just scatch our heads.
The picture of Gingsburg looks like she could blow away.
That is the only way this makes any sense.
It may work, and then what?
Hopefully, Democrats are out of power for a century if they do it.

Posted by: petunia at October 07, 2011 03:05 AM (hgrmi)

285 The precedent has been set that Senate rules can be changed by majority vote.

The precedent has been set that Republicans must wait for Democrats to set the precedent.

Posted by: schizoid at October 07, 2011 03:05 AM (BXtZv)

286 "So, the GOP wins the Senate in '12, nukes the filibuster and then repeals ObamaCare?"
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