The Travesty of the Republican Presidential Debates [Domenech]

When did we decide that it'd be a great thing for the Republican presidential debates to be a bunch of gotcha questions from liberal Democrats?

Because that's what it's turning out to be.

Drew linked my observations below about the stupid nature of this crappy debate schedule - but there's an added nugget that I've learned just today.

So this next debate, sponsored by WaPo/Bloomberg and hosted on Bloomberg TV, was supposed to be exclusively about the economy. At least that's something, right? We've seen ridiculous sideshow questions for too long - let's get down to brass tacks and talk about economic issues which this whole election is going to end up being about. If you go to the WaPo site, it still says as much (emphasis mine).

The Washington Post and Bloomberg TV, in partnership with WBIN-TV and host Dartmouth College, present the first debate of the 2012 campaign focused exclusively on the issue that matters most to American voters: the economy.

But guess what: that's a lie.

I'm told that the debate organizers have informed the campaigns as of yesterday that only the first half of the debate will be about the economy. The second half will be a free for all.

And anyway, because they're including eight candidates (everybody but poor Gary Johnson), they're limiting things to thirty second answers. Again. Typical.

Oh, and one more bonus:

Charlie Rose will moderate the Bloomberg Washington Post Debate with co-moderators Washington Post political correspondent Karen Tumulty and Bloomberg White House correspondent Julianna Goldman.

Karen Tumulty. Hmm. Would that be the Karen Tumulty who is part of the same WaPo political journalism shop behind the biggest smear campaign yet of the 2012 cycle? Is that Karen Tumulty, Journolist member? The unbiased journalist who thought the 2010 election was Obama being "punished for his effectiveness"?

My only question is: will she personally bring a racist rock to plunk down on the dais?

Posted by: Guest Blogger at 05:21 PM



Comments

1 Any candidate that tells Charlie Rose to eat shit and die has my support. Except for Newt and Crazy Uncle.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 05, 2011 05:23 PM (AOB4B)

2 Gargh.

Is there any chance Jim DeMint's outfit will host another one of their candidate forums?

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:24 PM (5H6zj)

3 The second half will be a free for all.

Fantastabulous.

Candidates -- Make your choice: Jersey Shore or Jerseylicious?


Posted by: lu at October 05, 2011 05:25 PM (pLTLS)

4 This is SandBagging 101. The Rs are being Had, and oughta know it by now

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, but the levee was dry... at October 05, 2011 05:25 PM (UqKQV)

5
Dear Journolisters,

Plate glass window.

The end.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 05, 2011 05:25 PM (SiFbi)

6 Why don't they just have Piven and Van Jones moderate?

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (WnIbn)

7 The candidates and the GOP have no one to blame but themselves. They keep agreeing to these clusterf*cks!

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (X6akg)

8 Can't we get a foreign policy debate? I mean, come on.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (zgHLA)

9 they're limiting things to thirty second answers. Again. Typical
Woo-Hoo, my time to shine again. I just hope I don't get asked another yes or no question again. Those are really difficult to stretch out.

Posted by: Mitt Romney - Master of 30 sec - 1 minute answers at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (GULKT)

10 Shit, we know Newt will sit on a couch with anybody.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (WnIbn)

11 Occupywallstreet to SCOAMF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rcB8OE_w4

Posted by: Crashpanic at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (7eKJh)

12 fo' shizzle ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (GvYeG)

13 The one and only time I ran for office I had no trouble, actually I rather enjoyed, telling the liberal media to DIAF, but the party apparachniks frown on that kind of behavior. It would be nice if someone at the top of the ticket had a spine.

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (F/4zf)

14 Between this and the abortion that are "Open" primaries, we're not the stupid party, we're the f**king retarded, stupid party.

Posted by: jjshaka at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (xlqLO)

15 The Repub candidates REALLY need to learn a little bit from Sarah Palin... in that she is now VERY selective of who interviews her.
There is NO reason why the various campaigns could not talk to each other, and CHOOSE who gives those debates.... allowing the LEFT to do so is just plain Stupid.
They are cedeing choice of the battlefield to the enemy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (NtXW4)

16
My only question is: will she personally bring a racist rock to plunk down on the dais?





Rare rational Obama supporter defends Perry on racist rock.

Wait, no, actually she calls a black GOP candidate an Uncle Tom and the N-word. Sorry about that.



I also heard Mark Thompson on leftist radio call Cain a "Tom" on his
national show last night. Apparently nobody listens to it because I
can't find audio of it today. So, we have another year of that to look forward to.


Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (4136b)

17 Speaking of the racist rock, shouldn't there be a picture of the thing if its so damn important?

Posted by: The Schwalbe : at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (UU0OF)

18 How about Castro and Acmadnutjinabad?

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (WnIbn)

19 OT: Which one of you Michigan morons did this????
Chick," 71, And Man, 54, Busted In Naked Car Romp

Posted by: Cheri at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (G+Wff)

20 Why do they agree to this?

Posted by: EC at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (R15UB)

21 17 No one has seen it since the 80s. Dan Rather has a pic on his iphone.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (WnIbn)

22 Uhhhhhnghhhhh.

Posted by: John King at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (4+uKk)

23 There must be a valid reason, these are not stupid people. But I can't figure out what it is

Posted by: the Charlie Daniels of the torque wrench at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (le5qc)

24 Speaking of the racist rock, shouldn't there be a picture of the thing if its so damn important?

Posted by: The Schwalbe : at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (UU0OF)
Pictures of painted, turned over rocks kinda destroys the story.

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (X6akg)

25 I think it would be a great debate if our top three candidates would respond to theseleftists douchebags with onlyloud belches and farts.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (iRmUF)

26 If you were trying to lose the election, what would you differently than what the R candidates are doing?
Anyone?

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (ONGHB)

27 Why don't the candidates just say fuck this shit and pose questions on their own? Seriously, they should get together before the debate and agree on what they want to give their views on. What are the mods gonna do? Ban them?

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (AOB4B)

28 Moderators: Chavaz and Michael Moore

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (WnIbn)

29 And anyway, because they're including eight candidates (everybody but poor Gary Johnson), they're limiting things to thirty second answers. Again. Typical.
What the hell? I agree why is anyone agreeing to this? What the hell is the point other than to provide gotcha soundbites?

Posted by: alexthechick at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (VtjlW)

30 It's a shame the candidates don't take matters into their own hands and refuse to answer provocative and divisive questions. Each should be equipped with a "FYNQ" button.

Of course, failure to answer inquiries from our media betters would send Frank Luntz's mouth-breathing and drool cup-wearing thumb masturbaters with their GameBoy "opinionometers" into paroxysms of even deeper muddleheadedness. Mustn't distress the undecideds!

Posted by: No Whining at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (UzjcV)

31 It really is not brain surgery. You just tell the questioners/moderator to shove it, don't answer ot dignify bullshit loaded questions and ask them how come they never asked obama that 4 years ago.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (aYQHH)

32 23 There must be a valid reason, these are not stupid people. But I can't figure out what it is
Posted by: the Charlie Daniels of the torque wrench at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (le5qc)
You have MUCH more faith in the intelligence of Politicians, than I do.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (NtXW4)

33 Sorry should have put NSFW or weak stomachs at #19

Posted by: Cheri at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (G+Wff)

34 If anyone still wonders why their nickname is The Stupid Party here it is. Just play by the rigged rules that your MFM opponents set up.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 05, 2011 05:30 PM (HBqDo)

35 My only question is: will she personally bring a racist rock to plunk down on the dais?

MY only question is, does she have big boobs?

Posted by: Sponge at October 05, 2011 05:30 PM (UK9cE)

36 17 Speaking of the racist rock, shouldn't there be a picture of the thing if its so damn important?
Posted by: The Schwalbe : at October 05, 2011 05:27 PM (UU0OF)
Of course not. That might cause people to go "Wait THAT'S what we're supposed to be outraged about?"
Although I'm only assuming that is the case since I haven't seen any image of it I am led to believe that the claim of what it is is much more damning without showing what it actually is.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 05:30 PM (GULKT)

37 Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 05:28 PM (iRmUF)

They're morons? What are their nicks?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:31 PM (xFdca)

38 A successful businessman is an Uncle Tom. A race hustling "preacher" gets an hour on tv every day. What is wrong with this picture country?

Posted by: huerfano at October 05, 2011 05:31 PM (fecOD)

39 29 What the hell? I agree why is anyone agreeing to this? What the hell is the point other than to provide gotcha soundbites?

Politicians love showing-off.

Posted by: Miss80s at October 05, 2011 05:31 PM (d6QMz)

40 Drunk Michigan morons

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:32 PM (WnIbn)

41 Sorry , they can't have Perry's campaign manager as the moderator. Maybe Perry might be better prepared if he was. Might being the operative word.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:32 PM (8c9g6)

42 They should answer every question with a question such as 'Why did Michelle take her own plane to Martha's Vineyard and not wait 4 fuggin hours to ride with her husband on his plane?
or 'Why did the DOE shovel out 4 billion more green loans when we are still investigating Solyndra.'
or 'What was the purpose of arming the Mexican drug cartels?'

Posted by: The Schwalbe : at October 05, 2011 05:33 PM (UU0OF)

43 We should tell the MFM cockholsters to pound sand and host a debate on UStream where all the candidates polling in the double digits just get to go after each other.

Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAYYYYYY ... The AoSHQ cage match for the 2012 nominationnnnn!!!

Posted by: Andy at October 05, 2011 05:33 PM (5Rurq)

44 There must be a valid reason, these are not stupid people. But I can't figure out what it is

---

I assume it has something to do with money and getting coverage. It's probably super expensive to buy the time and on top of that the networks have to disrupt their (admittedly crappy) schedules.

How this applies to a debate on Bloomberg escapes me.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:33 PM (5H6zj)

45 That rock epithet was a brand name a ways back.

Posted by: Craig Tucker at October 05, 2011 05:33 PM (ieDPL)

46 stup????

Posted by: Rock at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (GvYeG)

47 There must be a valid reason, these are not stupid people. But I can't figure out what it is

Sorry. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: DarkLord sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada!
at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (GBXon)

48 Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:32 PM (8c9g6)

And of course there won't be any dogs allowed because Romney can't resist torturing them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (xFdca)

49 What the hell? I agree why is anyone agreeing to this? What the hell is the point other than to provide gotcha soundbites?
Posted by: alexthechick at October 05, 2011 05:29 PM (VtjlW)
Because Mitt Romney has spent the past 4 years perfecting his 30 second to 1 minute responses so he has no problem agreeing to this. Especially since he knows to answer in a way that while not gaining any more supporters he's not alienating the ones he has, and everyone else can still consider him their fall back because his responses have been what you "expect" from him.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (GULKT)

50 Does it make perfect sense now that Sarah Palin is skipping these "Moderators" and these debates? She will announce shortly and at teh same time sidestep these sand traps set up by the Dem. Journolist elites.

Posted by: blogforce one at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (a/yG6)

51 The candidates and the GOP have no one to blame but themselves. They keep agreeing to these clusterf*cks!
Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (X6akg)

I have a feeling that this isthe work of the repubbeltway establishment. They know their "guy" is a master of 30 second soundbites.
Remember, folks. We're actually fighting on two fronts during this election.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (iRmUF)

52 Tar soap, oysters, and even golf tees.

Posted by: Fore at October 05, 2011 05:35 PM (ieDPL)

53 I heard a rumor that someone wrote "honky" on a rock in the 60s. Obama's mother walked by it on the way to her trysts. He needs to explain to me why she was that insensitive.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:35 PM (WnIbn)

54 Who agrees to this BS? RNC chair, Rinse Pubics(sp)?

Posted by: Heartless SOB Hobbit at October 05, 2011 05:36 PM (EL+OC)

55 Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:35 PM (WnIbn)

"Trysts." Good word, but it dignifies her too much. She screwed for a place to live, and food, and probably drugs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:37 PM (xFdca)

56 I, for one, am looking forward to this ...

Posted by: That Rock at October 05, 2011 05:37 PM (GvYeG)

57 30 seconds was chosen because it's the attention span of the average voter.

Therefore, by the time the candidate finishes answering, the voter will have long forgotten the question.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 05, 2011 05:37 PM (kPT11)

58 52 There was a moron this morning howling about the damage that the word does. From the 80s. No kidding.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:37 PM (WnIbn)

59 Wapo's Pet Rock will figure into that free-for-all somehow.....count on it. ....This will be a full out 'get Perry' event.
I hate these dumbass debates. .....They're not even debates.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 05, 2011 05:37 PM (sYyfh)

60 So if you were a political consultant and a client told you he planned on renewing his hunting lease at a place known as N-----head what would you advise him to do?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (8c9g6)

61 Maybe Perry's dad was a rapper.

Posted by: Fore at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (ieDPL)

62 I have a feeling that this isthe
work of the repubbeltway establishment. They know their "guy" is a
master of 30 second soundbites.
Remember, folks. We're actually fighting on two fronts during this election.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (iRmUF)
I'll agree that Perry, so far, hasn't knocked it out of the park in the debates but I don't really think Romney has done all that much better. I've come away from most of the debates thinking Newt or Cain won them.

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (X6akg)

63 I heard a rumor that someone wrote "honky" on a
rock in the 60s. Obama's mother walked by it on the way to her trysts.
He needs to explain to me why she was that insensitive.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:35 PM (WnIbn)
She was typical white person and that's just how white folks will do you.

Posted by: Barack Solyndra Obama at October 05, 2011 05:39 PM (4136b)

64 My breasts, they're right here, dahling.

Posted by: Georgette Mosbacher at October 05, 2011 05:39 PM (OcmPS)

65 Why do Republicans assume Rubio will bring in the Hispanic vote as VP?

Rubio is a, very white, Cuban. He's a Spaniard.

The vast majority of Hispanics in America are Mexican. And most do not look like Rubio. They are mestizo.

Central Americans are the next largest block, and they are even more Amerindian than Mexicans.

Rubio helps in Florida. Which is important. But there's no reason to expect him to help with the hispanic vote in the southwest.

The reason the LA Mayor VillasAJoka won in California is because he's mexican.

Maybe Rubio will be able to attract the mexi vote, but Repubs seem to be thinking it'll be automatic.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 05:39 PM (QcFbt)

66 That rock epithet was a brand name a ways back.
I'm thinking of calling it the "macaca rock."

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 05, 2011 05:39 PM (Hx5uv)

67 "Trysts." Good word, but it dignifies her too much. She screwed for a place to live, and food, and probably drugs.
Really, I got the impression that she was an ideologue who, I'm sure drugged up, wanted to be early on the multicultural fucking front. I think she felt empowered by, at the time, making antisocial choices that would shock the neighbors and please her daddy or the other commies.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:40 PM (WnIbn)

68 By all means, Romney supporters, play the race card.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:40 PM (5H6zj)

69 What the candidates should do is the same as the Democommies do on the Fox Fair and Balanced debate. Answer a different question.

Example

Commie Moderator (to Perry): Why do you hunt at camps that are racist?

Perry: Obama hates the U.S. and has bankrupted it with wild spending that has accomplished nothing but increasing the debt.

Commie Moderator (to Romney): How did it feel to be the best Republican governor in MA?

Romney: I am great, would you like to buy one of my fine used cars?

Posted by: Vic at October 05, 2011 05:40 PM (M9Ie6)

70 OT: Which one of you Michigan morons did this????
Chick," 71, And Man, 54, Busted In Naked Car Romp
She looks pretty pleased. Gettin' busy with a younger man at her age is probably the cause.

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 05:41 PM (O6q63)

71
Let Alex Trebek moderate.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 05, 2011 05:41 PM (QMtmy)

72 Hell, Chomsky is regrettably still breathing; may as well put him on the panel, too.

Posted by: Big McLargeHuge (F/K/A Large McBigHuge) at October 05, 2011 05:42 PM (tDuwb)

73 Speaking of the racist rock, shouldn't there be a picture of the thing if its so damn important?


Dan Rather has a picture of the rock. He's down at Kinkos copying it now.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 05, 2011 05:43 PM (Hx5uv)

74 @65
Why do Republicans assume Rubio will bring in the Hispanic vote as VP?

I don't think he brings that vote. He probably brings some of the "white guilt" Indy vote. He would be "historic" and give them a good excuse to dump Obama.

Rubio's main appeal imho is that his personal history and skilled speaking style kind of make him the feel-good candidate. And he's been a politician long enough (albeit not at the national level) to be unlikely to make unforced errors, while at the same time appealing to a good slice of the Tea Party folks.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:43 PM (5H6zj)

75 I'll agree that Perry, so far, hasn't knocked it out of the park in the debates but I don't really think Romney has done all that much better. I've come away from most of the debates thinking Newt or Cain won them.
Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (X6akg)
That's because Romney isn't looking to "win." He just answers so opinion doesn't change on him. You know besides when he's acting like a democrat lying out of his ass about Perry wanting to kill grandma. Just look at the "Is Obama a socialist?" question. He used the full minute to answer that. Do you know if he thinks Obama is a socialist or not? Because I sure don't based on his answer. He provides answers to what you already know about his positions and then plays evasive with everything else.
The guy wouldn't be able to answer "Do you love your mother?" without using a minute to answer.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 05:43 PM (GULKT)

76 30 seconds to answer questions on the economy? Why not just send tweets?
then again, the ideal GOP candidate should be able to answer any question quite succinctly.
"we need to cut taxes and regulations and government interference because the Obama model has resulted in the worse recovery since WWII. period. worst, no hedging, the worst, as in every other president did a better job than him."

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 05, 2011 05:44 PM (QxSug)

77 OT, but that sidebar item with the letter to Meghan McCain's lawyer is epic. There's a link in the article to the entire letter - it's a must read!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 05, 2011 05:44 PM (v+QvA)

78 71
Let Alex Trebek moderate.

"What is a SCOAMF?," Alex

Right you are for $100, and that puts you in the lead!

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 05, 2011 05:44 PM (kPT11)

79 I'd leave at halftime.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 05, 2011 05:44 PM (OGQrv)

80 And of course there won't be any dogs allowed because Romney can't resist torturing them.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:34 PM (xFdca)
Let me fix that for youAnd of course there won't be any dogs allowed because Romney can't resist blowing them.

Posted by: Vic at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (M9Ie6)

81 I guess none of you Perry spinners can answer my question. The point is nit that Perry is racist or insensitive. He's not. The point is he has no foresight.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (8c9g6)

82 Here's a list of event organizers / sponsors for all the debates. They represent a broad slice of media (of all flavors) as well as several of the largest right-wing political orgs, including of course the GOP.

1. Fox News and South Carolina Republican Party
2. CNN, WMUR-TV and New Hampshire Union Leader
3. The Daily Caller, Americans for Tax Reform (Grover Norquist) and Citizen Outreach Foundation
4. Fox News, The Washington Examiner and the Republican Party of Iowa
5. Senator Jim DeMint and the American Principles Project
6. Reagan Library, NBC News and Politico
7. CNN and the Tea Party Express
8. Fox News, Google and Florida Republican Party
9. Bloomberg, The Washington Post and WBIN-TV
10. CNN and the Western Republican Leadership Conference
11. CNBC and the Michigan Republican Party
12. CNN and the Republican Party of Arizona
13. ABC News and Republican Party of Iowa
14. Des Moines Register and Iowa Public Television
15. CNN and the Southern Republican Leadership Conference
16. Fox News and Republican Party of Iowa
17. National Journal, NBC News, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Florida Council of 100
18. ABC News and WMUR
19. Fox News and South Carolina Republican Party
20. Reagan Library, NBC News and Politico

I'm not sure I buy the argument that the debates have somehow been hijacked by the left. I think the image problems resulting from the debates *coughPERRYcough* are not because of the questions, but because of the answers.



Posted by: Jordan at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (XJYf4)

83 I think it would be a great debate if our top three candidates would respond to theseleftists douchebags with onlyloud belches and farts.
How about they all walk on stage with a six-pack, pop one open immediately after getting introduced, and proceed to drink and joke amongst themselveswhile asking their own questions of the "moderators." If they drink fast enough, (or start drinking backstage ahead of time), then there's your, um,fuel.
Failing that, I like the suggestion upthread that all of them take a combative attitude with those lefty jerks and start asking them why they didn't ask the stuttering clusterfuck ofa miserable failure that same question. Or, just answer, "I'll reply to that question right after the President does" or "That's a question far better suited for the President."
Properly done, a great deal of fun could be had.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (d0Tfm)

84 The candidates should impose a time limit on the questions. Thirty seconds to answer a question that takes Charlie Rose five minutes to ask isn't worth listening to.



Posted by: Retread at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (G+7cD)

85 The guy wouldn't be able to answer "Do you love your mother?" without using a minute to answer.

It's a Massachusetts thing.

Posted by: Michael Dukakis at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (5H6zj)

86 Dan Rather has a picture of the rock. He's down at Kinkos copying it now.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 05, 2011 05:43 PM (Hx5uv)
He brought the whole damn rock. The f***er's broken three copiers withit already.

Posted by: Guy working at Kinko's at October 05, 2011 05:45 PM (DrWcr)

87 Maybe they should show picture books too.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 05, 2011 05:46 PM (MKxSB)

88
<will she personally bring a racist rock to plunk down on the dais?>
Of course she will. 'Cause that's how they roll.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 05, 2011 05:46 PM (7qKVv)

89 80 And of course there won't be any dogs allowed because Romney can't resist blowing them.

Only if he thinks he can get votes for it.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 05, 2011 05:46 PM (kPT11)

90 54
Who agrees to this BS? RNC chair, Rinse Pubics(sp)?




It depends on the sponsors, IIRC. The first debate was sponsored by the South Carolina Republican Party, so the chairman would have decided along with the outlet and the candidates.

Posted by: Miss80s at October 05, 2011 05:47 PM (d6QMz)

91
69What the candidates should do is the same as the Democommies do on the Fox Fair and Balanced debate. Answer a different question.

Example

Commie Moderator (to Perry): Why do you hunt at camps that are racist?

Perry: Obama hates the U.S. and has bankrupted it with wild spending that has accomplished nothing but increasing the debt.

Commie Moderator (to Romney): How did it feel to be the best Republican governor in MA?

Romney: I am great, would you like to buy one of my fine used cars?
-----
And isn't it about time to start framing world history in terms of the number of years SCoaMF has been in office.
"The past 3.4 years has been the worst economy in the history of mankind"

Posted by: Jimmah at October 05, 2011 05:47 PM (g9KCn)

92 Let Alex Trebek moderate.

"What is a SCOAMF?," Alex

Right you are for $100, and that puts you in the lead!


Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 05, 2011 05:44 PM (kPT11)
This program designed to allow the Obama administration to violate the second amendment gave free machine guns to Mexican drug gangs to kill Mexicans and blame their deaths on US gun manufacturers also killed two US federal agents.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 05, 2011 05:47 PM (Hx5uv)

93 83
beer summit

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 05, 2011 05:48 PM (QMtmy)

94 Romney tortures dogs. Romney blows dogs. Fuck you guys are weak.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:48 PM (8c9g6)

95 60 So if you were a political consultant and a client told you he planned on renewing his hunting lease at a place known as N-----head what would you advise him to do?
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (8c9g6)
Let's look at reality. Perry's dad was probably born in what, 1922 in Texas? Hmmm that's the year my dad was born in Arkansas. Let's see, would the mere mention of that cursed word freak him out since he'd heard it everyday of his life? Perry's dad was a rancher although a county commissioner and member of the school board. He just would not have reacted with a view toward the future becoming obcessed with a rock in the woods in west texas. God is that dumb.
Look, it's very nice that we have eliminated a "word" from all usage writte or oral because it reminded people of an upsetting era. However, we can't pretend that that word was like krptonite to every southerner born after the civil war. It just wasn't. My grandmother said "Colored" which she considered very polite. She was born in 1899.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:48 PM (WnIbn)

96 Romney: I am great, would you like to buy one of my fine used cars?

I've got a used health care plan I could let you have cheap.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 05, 2011 05:48 PM (Hx5uv)

97 Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:40 PM (WnIbn)

Oh, there's no doubt that she was an ideologue. But she was also promiscuous -- how much? we will never know.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:49 PM (xFdca)

98 Hey, is that "Matt, waif-life grad student" pictured on Drudge right now?

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 05:50 PM (O6q63)

99 That's because Romney isn't looking to "win." He
just answers so opinion doesn't change on him. You know besides when
he's acting like a democrat lying out of his ass about Perry wanting to
kill grandma. Just look at the "Is Obama a socialist?" question. He
used the full minute to answer that. Do you know if he thinks Obama is a
socialist or not? Because I sure don't based on his answer. He
provides answers to what you already know about his positions and then
plays evasive with everything else.
The guy wouldn't be able to answer "Do you love your mother?" without using a minute to answer.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 05:43 PM (GULKT)
Probably true buzzion...but he's gonna have to change this if he wants to pick up any steam or change any minds.

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:50 PM (X6akg)

100 I heard Romney read "Huckleberry Finn" in junior high.

Racist.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (kPT11)

101 98
Hey, is that "Matt, waif-life grad student" pictured on Drudge right now?Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 05:50 PM (O6q63)

Are his "expressive wrists" in view?

Posted by: No Whining at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (UzjcV)

102 98
Where the hell did helicopter Ben come from?

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (O6q63)

103 88
<will she personally bring a racist rock to plunk down on the dais?>
Of course she will. 'Cause that's how they roll.
------
$20 bucks to the first candidate who displays an artists rendition of Robert Byrd's grand wizard hat.

Posted by: Jimmah at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (g9KCn)

104 Hey polynikes, Who owns the property that Perry hunts on that has this rock?

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (GULKT)

105 @74 Good points.

If Rubio brings in some white guilt suburban women votes then great. It's just weird pretending he's some underpriviliged minority. If he was Tony Rubio from New Jersey he'd just be an Italian white guy. It's just an odd thing.

That said, I've also never been impressed by Rubio's speaking style. For one, he's got the young man's combover. Hopefully he can get that fixed. Biden got the hairplugs, so it can be done.

More importantly, he has a slightly robotic, autistic style of speaking. maybe I've just seen the wrong speeches. But I've never felt very moved emotionally.

Also, dumb question, but how tall is Rubio?

Just to be clear, I'd vote for Rubio in a heart beat. I like his policies. He just always seemed a bit geeky to me. Like if he wasn't Cuban, he'd just be a kind of right-wing model UN nerd.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (QcFbt)

106 Hey morons! Let's figure out what words we use now will be banned 35 years from now? I'll start:
1. Socialist
2. Profit
3. Private Property
4. Marriage
5. Hetero or homo sexual
6. Meat
etc.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (WnIbn)

107 My new favorite song (by Billy Joe Shaver):

http://tinyurl.com/3vw8p6e

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (WCm02)

108 Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:48 PM (8c9g6)

Go ahead -- deny it.

RINO!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (xFdca)

109 I guess none of you Perry spinners can answer my question. The point is nit that Perry is racist or insensitive. He's not. The point is he has no foresight.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011

For a minute there I thought you were going to bitch about Perry having no foreskin.

As to the rest of your comment, are you sure that's the Rock you want Romney to crash on?

Posted by: Jewish Janitor at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (rJVPU)

110 Rangy when Perry took over the lease the place was still known as N----head whether the rock was covered or not. As a political consultant would you have advised Perry to take over that lease or find another hunting lease?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (8c9g6)

111 Are his "expressive wrists" in view?
No longer. He had a dollar bill taped across his mouth, with the word 'occupy' written on it.

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 05:52 PM (O6q63)

112 60
So if you were a political consultant and a client told you he planned
on renewing his hunting lease at a place known as N-----head what would
you advise him to do?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (8c9g6)
Awww, that's cute lil' polynikes flogging a fake story all because Romney is so much more conservative than Perry--why, Romney is sooo conservative lil' poly even goes so far as to frame the story in the exact same way as the WaPo.Just so you know, Mormans don't technically join the church until age 8 when they are baptized because at that age they are considered old enough to make their own decisions. Which, since Romney was well past the age of 8 by 1978, means Romney made the very, very racist decision all by himself to join a church that didn't consider blacks worthy of full, complete membership. Hmmmm. Now: How would you political consultant advise your client?On topic: This is why every candidate needs to announce ASAP to the sit-down Erick has proposed over at RedState. Make those types of mass interactions with the voters the standard and leave the gotcha shit for the Dems.

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 05, 2011 05:53 PM (ibeMV)

113
Ouch
Also on Drudge:
Herman Cain to protesters: If you're not rich 'blame yourself'...

Posted by: Jimmah at October 05, 2011 05:53 PM (g9KCn)

114 Fuck you guys are weak.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney


My issue is I find him about as inspiring as This GUY. Making the Tough Choices.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 05, 2011 05:54 PM (0q2P7)

115 So if you were a political consultant and a client told you he
planned on renewing his hunting lease at a place known as N-----head
what would you advise him to do?
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:38 PM (8c9g6)

You're not doing your candidate any good with crap like this....but do keep it up.

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:54 PM (X6akg)

116 All the candidates need to walk into the debate wearing SCOAMF halloween masks.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 05:55 PM (iRmUF)

117 Hey! It's not everyday a Republican candidate gets the MSM to do his dirty work.

Just don't start crying when the MSM whip out the-

Romney's a Crazy Cultist Mormon just because they rolled that behind the curtain doesn't mean it isn't still there.

They aren't afraid to use it, they've just put that weapon away for awhile.

Posted by: Jewish Janitor at October 05, 2011 05:55 PM (rJVPU)

118 There must be a valid reason, these are not stupid people. But I can't figure out what it is
Practice for press conferences, with the same unbiased journolists.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2011 05:55 PM (D5iHx)

119 @Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 05:51 PM (QcFbt)

I think he's good-looking in a "what a good-looking young man" way. In other words, his looks (including his grooming) appeal to the middle-aged and older woman set, imho, and are also not at all scary to "white people." The hair doesn't change that. And the VP doesn't need to be tall.

I caught some of his Reagan Library speech (at the beginning) and I thought he got off to a slow start, but more than that to me he's not an emotional speaker like a Giuliani or Fred or even Perry can be. He's more cerebral. Nevertheless, I watched his "maiden" floor speech and my recollection was that it was excellent -- and moving.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:55 PM (5H6zj)

120 I'd advise him to watch out for bears.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (WnIbn)

121
<Why do they agree to this?>

Because they want to "play nice". Idiots. That's why we got Obama.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (7qKVv)

122 And then there's the Univision/Rubio debacle, which leads to inevitable, "We were debating on Univision??"

#59
Perhaps Perry should start questioning people giving him grief over a rock he painted over as to why our half white President had "Entertainers" at his Post-Inaugural Parties screaming,"WE'VE GOT A NI*GA IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!"

Oh, I know. Totally different. Whoppi says so.

Posted by: ktgreat at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (hqGID)

123 Remember how they said that Missile Defense was an unproved technology that probably wouldn't work"

Remember they said that it was a waste of money?

Well ......

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (cA6/i)

124 @119
ps: And his wife is gorgeous. Again, in a non-threatening way. She'd be an asset at any campaign appearance.


However, DC is reporting that Rubio has again said he won't accept the VP nod.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (5H6zj)

125 Why would you need a political consultant to tell you which hunting lease to use? Do we need to pick a candidate that has to take a poll or put his finger into the wind to make an ordinary decision? A hunting lease????

Posted by: Old Texas Chick at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (lLXZV)

126 @106 continued...
7. Normal
8. Capitalism
9. Competition
10. Excellence
11. United States

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (d0Tfm)

127 120 I'd advise him to watch out for bears.
Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (WnIbn)
Curses, foiled again!

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at October 05, 2011 05:56 PM (v+QvA)

128 #115 I see you don't want to answer the question either.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:57 PM (8c9g6)

129 On this hunting lease, rock issue, I'm not seeing any proof at all. All anonymous speculation.

Posted by: kansas at October 05, 2011 05:58 PM (mka2b)

130 #115 I see you don't want to answer the question either.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:57 PM (8c9g6)
No because there ARE such things as stupid questions.

Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:58 PM (X6akg)

131 116 ... +1 for that!

Posted by: That Rock at October 05, 2011 05:58 PM (GvYeG)

132 126
8. Tea
9. Jesus
10. retard
11. fur
12. Electricity
13. Gas

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 05:59 PM (WnIbn)

133 So why are most of the GOP debates held by and run by leftards? Easy, the GOP leadership (those who anointed Mitt RINO aka Otard lite) is a bunch of self defeating fucktards. Can I get my Doctorate in Non-Stoopid Studies now?

Posted by: Old Scratch at October 05, 2011 05:59 PM (OlN4e)

134 Mitt Romney - Master of 30 sec - 1 minute answers
Because Mitt Romney has spent the past 4 years perfecting his 30 second
to 1 minute responses so he has no problem agreeing to this. Especially
since he knows to answer in a way that while not gaining any more
supporters he's not alienating the ones he has, and everyone else can
still consider him their fall back because his responses have been what
you "expect" from him.

1. Ignore what is asked, and answer the question that you think should have been asked. Regardless, answer the question you want.
2. Promise them anything. Just get their vote.


Posted by: didn't take long at October 05, 2011 05:59 PM (lpWVn)

135 #130 why is it a stupid question ? Because you don't like the obvious answer?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 06:00 PM (8c9g6)

136 14. Western civilization
15. Man
16. Woman
17. God
18. Good
19. Bad

Posted by: Insomniac at October 05, 2011 06:00 PM (v+QvA)

137 OT: Which one of you Michigan morons did this????
Chick," 71, And Man, 54, Busted In Naked Car Romp
She looks pretty pleased. Gettin' busy with a younger man at her age is probably the cause.
Can you imagine the hangover that guy had?

Posted by: Cheri at October 05, 2011 06:00 PM (G+Wff)

138 Who owns the property polynikes?

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (GULKT)

139 Unions back hippies at Wall Street???
When are the real men in the "Unions" gonna throw the bums out and take back the Unions from the commie left?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (aYQHH)

140 20. Right
21. Wrong

Posted by: Insomniac at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (v+QvA)

141 134
You don't like Romney or Perry. Do you like Paul?

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (WnIbn)

142 Don't miss Meggy Mac'ncheese's lawyers letter and Red State's lawyers response on the sidebar.

Posted by: Craig Tucker at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (ieDPL)

143 #138 I have no idea.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (8c9g6)

144 What do you mean that Marco Rubio is good-looking in way "non-threatening" to white people. Rubio is a white guy!

That's like saying Chris Christie is "non-threatening" to white people.

I don't get it. Rubio has pasty white skin. He has dark hair and dark eyes. Like most white people.

Most people in Southern Europe look exactly like Rubio -- and very few people in Mexico do. He has no visible Amerindian ancestry. He could be from Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece, etc, etc.

It's just odd. Why do we have to pretend Rubio is not a white guy?

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (QcFbt)

145

How badly will Romney poll against Obama once the MSM decide to refresh the public's memory on his Mormon pantaloons?

Boxers, briefs or pantaloons?


Fair question?

Posted by: Jewish Janitor at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (rJVPU)

146 141
134
You don't like Romney or Perry. Do you like Paul?
Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (WnIbn)
Personally I hate the guy. People keep stealing my stuff and giving it to him.

Posted by: Peter at October 05, 2011 06:03 PM (v+QvA)

147 143 #138 I have no idea.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (8c9g6)
Right because you are actually uninterested. You think you've found your "gotcha" for Perry and want to beat it to death with a hammer but actually know nothing about it. All so you can talk up your used car salesman that joined a church that didn't allow black people to be full members.

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 06:04 PM (GULKT)

148 It is important for Republican elites to know that their eventual candidate has been vetted by all of the 'important people' (read cultural and media elites of every persuasion) before they know a candidate is 'good enough'.
'Good enough' has nothing to do with conservative values and is instead built on image and a general alliance with reinforcing the status quo.

Posted by: Paper at October 05, 2011 06:04 PM (IvlIt)

149
Well he is clean and articulate.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 05, 2011 06:05 PM (QMtmy)

150 Why would someone's undergarmet bother someone else? You KNOW Obama wears briefs which should have everyone retching but still he has what 40% approval?

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:05 PM (WnIbn)

151 Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 05:57 PM (8c9g6)

I'll answer it.

He walked past, probably thought and said that it was a tacky sign, and didn't think much else of it. Eventually he had it painted over.

Not everything has to be viewed through the prism of racial bigotry and anger.

Is my father, who calls Blacks "Negroes" because that's what he grew up hearing, a racist?

Am I a racist for laughing at Black jokes?

Oh, and I don't give a rat's ass about Romney's Mormanism, but it will be a big issue if he is the nominee.

"Governor Romney, will you try to change the laws in this country to allow bigamy"

"Governor Romney, will you state that you categorically reject the teachings of your church on matters of race?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo (NJConservative) at October 05, 2011 06:05 PM (xFdca)

152 FOXNews, even a ways back:

Polygamy was not just a historical footnote, but a prominent element in the family tree of the former Massachusetts governor now seeking to become the first Mormon president.
Romney's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney, married his fifth wife in 1897. That was more than six years after Mormon leaders banned polygamy and more than three decades after a federal law barred the practice.
Romney's great-grandmother, Hannah Hood Hill, was the daughter of polygamists. She wrote vividly in her autobiography about how she "used to walk the floor and shed tears of sorrow" over her own husband's multiple marriages.
Romney's great-great grandfather, Parley Pratt, an apostle in the church, had 12 wives. In an 1852 sermon, Parley Pratt's brother and fellow apostle, Orson Pratt, became the first church official to publicly proclaim and defend polygamy as a direct revelation from God.
Romney's father, former Michigan Gov. George Romney, was born in Chihuahua, Mexico, where Mormons fled in the 1800s to escape religious persecution and U.S. laws forbidding polygamy. He and his family did not return to the United States until 1912, more than two decades after the church issued "The Manifesto" banning polygamy.

I'm sure once the general ramps up the media will have some *fair* questions loaded for Romney.

Posted by: Jewish Janitor at October 05, 2011 06:06 PM (rJVPU)

153 So has Ace reached the level of popularity now where campaign hacks and obsessive nutjobs troll the comment section spreading intra-party dirt on the opposition?
That kinda sucks, but was inevitable I guess.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 06:06 PM (QcFbt)

154 It's just odd. Why do we have to pretend Rubio is not a white guy?

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (QcFbt)
--OK, whatever. I'm not sure why you're hung up on this.
Rubio is "ethnic." He has a very clear ethnic background - both parents being Cuban exiles. I assume he was raised speaking Spanish. In that sense he is less "white" (or more ethnic) than many of us who are mongrels from European stock a few generations back.I don't care what color he is.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 06:06 PM (5H6zj)

155 It's just odd. Why do we have to pretend Rubio is not a white guy?
IDK but I'd like to know why my darker than Obama Sicilian husband has to pretend he is a white guy and forego any "special" status.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:07 PM (WnIbn)

156 Easy fix. Answer questions on the economy. Then when the bullshit about polar bears and poor terrorists starts just take off your mics and walk out.

Just don't even let the muthafuckers get started. Walk. Out.

Give a joint press conference explaining that the GOP will no longer be subject to this kind of ambush bullshit.

Worked for Reagan against Gorbachev.


Posted by: sifty at October 05, 2011 06:07 PM (4CSeG)

157 You KNOW Obama wears briefs which should have everyone retching
Why do you torment yourself by entertaining such thoughts?

Posted by: fluffy at October 05, 2011 06:07 PM (O6q63)

158 What is the point in a debate on the economy? The GOP's answer has always been the same as the Dems - more government spending - as Steyn set out nicely in his latest book. The only difference is simply one of degree. The GOP wants to fly us into the mountain at 500 mph, instead of 600.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 05, 2011 06:07 PM (xy9wk)

159
Let me see if I have this straight.

This "debate" is being run by the WaPo and Bloomberg, and moderated by someone who was a member of freaking JournoList?

And our party's candidates agreed to show up to this? To what is absolutely guaranteed to be another event deliberately designed to make them look bad, spur unproductive infighting, and ask them "when did you stop beating your wife" type questions?

Maybe none of these candidates are actually smart enough to be President after all. Seriously. We may really need some new blood in the GOP primary race.

It's like Jews in Nazi Germany being invited to air and defend their views at a debate jointly sponsored and moderated by Der Sturmer and the Volkischer Beobachter.

And showing up for it!




Posted by: torquewrench at October 05, 2011 06:08 PM (aWrFJ)

160 Romney is going to have a shit-storm unleashed on him and, thanks to his behavior this summer, I am no longer inclined to defend him (as I once did). He's a big boy and can defend himself.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 06:08 PM (5H6zj)

161 Palin is not running - heard on Mark levin

Posted by: alexthedude at October 05, 2011 06:09 PM (3L0Bq)

162 Damn, I'm bummed. She would have really stirred the pot!

Posted by: Julie at October 05, 2011 06:10 PM (O/fK8)

163 I'm sick of all these non policy got-ya crap fests.

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:10 PM (WnIbn)

164 @161? what?
Well, without Palin, who is the person that's going to be transformative?

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 05, 2011 06:11 PM (QxSug)

165 I totally agree with everything that makes me look better than these racist Republicans, especially Perry, who spends his summer carving racism into rocks. - Mitt Romney.

Posted by: sifty at October 05, 2011 06:11 PM (4CSeG)

166 Twitter has it Palin's - she was on Levin.


Posted by: lu at October 05, 2011 06:11 PM (pLTLS)

167 115 Ask why Romney was a self professed salesman for a church while it denied blacks the priesthood. /That rock wasn't turned over until 1979.

Posted by: didn't take long at October 05, 2011 06:11 PM (lpWVn)

168 Guess that only leave beating SCoaMF with a Cain. The rese are RIMO's.

Posted by: Julie at October 05, 2011 06:12 PM (O/fK8)

169 166 Twitter has it Palin's - she was on Levin.


Posted by: lu at October 05, 2011 06:11 PM (pLTLS)

Yeah - she's still on live now. She's going to campaign for others like she did in 2010.

Posted by: alexthedude at October 05, 2011 06:12 PM (3L0Bq)

170 OT from the sidebar--Christopher Scott Badeaux is now counselor-at-large for moron nation. That is one grade A chembionuclearantimatter smackdown of Meghan "Parody's" McCain's lawyer in the sidebar.

Yes....parody's....you know, the plural form.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:12 PM (7utQ2)

171 87
Maybe they should show picture books too.


Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 05, 2011 05:46 PM (MKxSB)
Classic!

Posted by: Barack Solyndra Obama at October 05, 2011 06:12 PM (4136b)

172 There's a reason why the Candidates meet actual voters when Primaries get closer. These debates are today's smoke filled rooms.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 05, 2011 06:13 PM (z1N6a)

173 Geez, need a beer. Leaves and rest. Sorry.

Posted by: Julie at October 05, 2011 06:13 PM (O/fK8)

174 I agree with the things said about Rubio. He will be a very good politician long-term, but he is not a great speaker, and hecan be more than a bitawkward to watch. Someone above said 'nerdy' and that sounds about right to me.
Republicans always end up trying to be too clever playing the identity politics game. Nominate experienced, conservative candidates who bring together the largest parts of the base with some independents, and things usually work out.

Posted by: Paper at October 05, 2011 06:13 PM (IvlIt)

175 Palin claiming she won't seek GOP nomination, not that she will not be running for President. Very interesting comment.

Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at October 05, 2011 06:13 PM (hGTfi)

176 @14: "Between this and the abortion that are "Open" primaries, we're not the stupid party, we're the f**king retarded, stupid party."

Yep. The general rule is "cock-up before conspiracy," but at some point, the difference between the two becomes entirely irrelevant. Either the GOP elites actively collaborate in their own party's gelding, or they're too stupid to realize that they get owned on a continuing basis. Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 05, 2011 06:14 PM (xy9wk)

177 So has Ace reached the level of popularity now where campaign hacks and
obsessive nutjobs troll the comment section spreading intra-party dirt
on the opposition?

We do that pretty well without the trolls.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:14 PM (7utQ2)

178 Levin asked her if she would consider 3rd party run. She said no as doing so would guarantee Obama's re-election.

Posted by: Chris at October 05, 2011 06:14 PM (iTTDT)

179 Damn, I'm bummed. She would have really stirred the pot!
Posted by: Julie at October 05, 2011 06:10 PM (O/fK

Even though she may not be running, she'll still be a part of the political debate. After all, she's one of the sparks that got the conservative ascendency going.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 06:14 PM (iRmUF)

180 I'm not hung up on it, I'm curious about the stupidity of it. Thanks for the dickish response, though. Whenever somebody says, "I'm not sure why you're hung up about this." it's pretty clear what they are insinuating.

Rubio is no more "ethnic" than Christie. He's lighter skinned than most Italian-Americans and Greek-Americans I've known.

I also think the general "hispanic" category we created is fucking retarded. And the fact that the govt hands out special bennies depending on this fucking retarded category also pisses me the fuck off.

I guess I'll go back to being hung up about it now.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 06:15 PM (QcFbt)

181 175 Palin claiming she won't seek GOP nomination, not that she will not be running for President. Very interesting comment.
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at October 05, 2011 06:13 PM (hGTfi)

She said no third party run since that would presumably get Obama re-elected. She was very clear about helping other conservatives get elected to replace Obama.

Posted by: alexthedude at October 05, 2011 06:15 PM (3L0Bq)

182 FNS says that Sarah has announced she is not running on Mark Levine's radio show.

Posted by: pko Strany at October 05, 2011 06:15 PM (RJOgX)

183 When? When folks like that scrunt in the sidebar decided to tell us who our candidates are going to be. That's when.

Posted by: dogfish at October 05, 2011 06:15 PM (N2yhW)

184 7 The candidates and the GOP have no one to blame but themselves. They keep agreeing to these clusterf*cks!
Posted by: Tami at October 05, 2011 05:26 PM (X6akg)
Which is kind of ironic given that today's technology affords you so many ways to get your message out that you needn't even show up for the sound bite-fests these non-debates are.

Posted by: giftogab at October 05, 2011 06:15 PM (SPVfc)

185 Did that jewelry-draped Bride of Frankenstein surgically assembled from bits and pieces of ugly lot lizards plan these debates or what?

Posted by: sifty at October 05, 2011 06:16 PM (4CSeG)

186 Sarah Palin not running. Reportedly said it on Levin's show.

So question is Will Ace show up?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 05, 2011 06:16 PM (qpKJT)

187 Soooooo.....

ace has to come out of vaca for this right?

Posted by: lu at October 05, 2011 06:17 PM (pLTLS)

188 So, do you think Chris Christie will run?

[Runs from room.]

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:17 PM (7utQ2)

189 Palin is out? Palin is out?

You know who this helps don't you ....

Posted by: Max Hitpoints at October 05, 2011 06:17 PM (8/DeP)

190 News always happens when Ace is in rehab.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 05, 2011 06:18 PM (qpKJT)

191 So what the new flame toPic then?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 05, 2011 06:19 PM (KvSTA)

192 You know who this helps don't you ....

At some point tonight, Rick "Painful Rectal Itch" Santorum will claim that it benefits him. I guarantee this.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:19 PM (7utQ2)

193

Ask why Romney was a self professed salesman for a church while it denied blacks the priesthood.
Posted by: didn't take long



"Governor Romney, any response to Mr. Cain's comment?"

"I'm afraid my dear Lamanite friend and I will have to agree to disagree on this one..."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2011 06:19 PM (/qkBU)

194 >>It's just odd. Why do we have to pretend Rubio is not a white guy?Posted by: Clubber Lang at October 05, 2011 06:02 PM (QcFbt)
Same reason we're supposed to pretend Odumdum's not a Defermative Action, America hating communist - MFM.

I stopped pretending when I gave up trick or treating a few decades ago.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 05, 2011 06:19 PM (HBqDo)

195 Bout fuckin time she made up her fuckin mind.

Now get your ass to work beating on the SCoaMF or SDASTFU.

Somebody hide the straight razors before the C4P people get ahold of them.

Posted by: sifty at October 05, 2011 06:19 PM (4CSeG)

196 I also think the general "hispanic" category we created is ... retarded.

You've hit the nail on the head, here. Rubio is a minority because the government says he is. I'd be a minority, too, if the government cared to make Swiss-Cherokee-Slovenian-Irish-God-knows-what-else into a protected class.

The thought is that the folks who believe in identity politics would identify with a candidate who occupies the same government-defined ethnicity. It worked for Obama, right?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 05, 2011 06:20 PM (bjRNS)

197 #147 who owns the property doesn't matter because they are not running for President. A hunting lease in Texas in is like belonging to a golf club.

#151 even after the rock was painted over it was known as N-head. I don't care if the rock was painted over or not, that his opponents both Rep and Dem are talking about it could have easily avoided by getting a different lease. He was not just another ordinary Joe. He was a politician with other ambitions. That no one will admit it was stupid politically for him specifically, to continue to renew a lease at a location still referred to as N/Head is what aggravates me.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 05, 2011 06:20 PM (8c9g6)

198 As I've said for years, it makes ZERO sense to give the media ANY role in Republican primary debates other than allowing them to televise them.

The media sets the rules, decides who is in and out, picks the far-left panelists who then become a part of the story and the show and vie with each other to be the one who sinks a campaign with a killer question.

It's insane.

First of all, no "panelists" should be needed. People running for the highest office shouldn't need anyone to lead them to the issues, they know what the issues are. All we need is a neutral timekeeper to keep the time even. And if Romney wants to spend ten minutes talking about his business record or Perry spends half an hour on Texas, let 'em talk - BUT when their total time for the debate is over, they get no more. If they use up the time for a closing statement, tough.

Candidates can talk about their philosophy, any issue they want, ask others questions or answer questions - or not, let the people decide if they were justified or not. Just keep the dang "Keepers of the News" the heck off the stage.

Posted by: Adjoran at October 05, 2011 06:21 PM (VfmLu)

199 Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 06:01 PM (WnIbn)

You omitted Cain, et al.

Posted by: didn't take long at October 05, 2011 06:21 PM (lpWVn)

200 I say we need a liveblog so that I can broadcast my hysterical laughter when someone asks Herman Cain an Afghanistan/Pakistan question and he replies that he still hasn't thought about it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:21 PM (7utQ2)

201 Romney :

1) Was a supporter of abortion rights, now is pro-life (change occurred when he decided the presidency was his highest calling)

2) Supported a federal health insurance mandate and instituted government run health care, now a Federalist

3) Believes humans are causing global warming, or climate change, or whatever they're calling it this week.

4) Once supported "taxing private political contributions in order to
finance publicly funded campaigns" and "advocated spending limits on
congressional campaigns and suggested abolishing political action
committees", now who the hell knows what his stance is.

5) Hates Mexicans, unless they're doing his yard work.


You get the picture.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 05, 2011 06:22 PM (OGQrv)

202 I'm still waiting for my government check and affirmative action job for being an Asshole-American, despite thousands of witnesses and testimonials.

Posted by: sifty is gettin his Depression on at October 05, 2011 06:22 PM (4CSeG)

203 Cain or Perry. I'd be happy with either one.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 06:23 PM (iRmUF)

204 This is a perfect example of the GOP LOSERship at work -- they don't have a clue about how to lead the GOP in any direction but down or, at best, in confused meaningless circles.

If the LOSERship could, for a moment, think out of the box, they'd take more control of this debate process by organizing them so the questions were selected by conservatives, tea party and talk show types. But no, these sorts of folks the LOSERship fears, as they are a threat to the LOSERship's power.

Hence, the LOSERship goes along with all GOP debates being chaired by liberals... Just like Democrats make sure their debates are chaired by conservatives? Not... What's wrong with this picture...?

Posted by: drfredc at October 05, 2011 06:23 PM (iNKlO)

205 Republicans always end up trying to be too clever playing the identity politics game.
The Rubio Maneuver is "clever" like Biden is clever. The dude lost the Latino vote in Florida by ten. Non-Cuban Hispanics hate him.
Becauseget thishe's not a Democrat. And that's all that matters. Their political-proxy identity is D, not "guys whose names end in -io, -es, and -sa."
Nothing can change this. Nothing.

Posted by: oblig. at October 05, 2011 06:23 PM (xvZW9)

206 If we have to start sorting skin colors like the Democrats do we might as well break up like Yugoslavia now and get it over with.


Posted by: sifty is gettin his Depression on at October 05, 2011 06:25 PM (4CSeG)

207 Ace is probably so happy, he'll let a couple of hobos walk away unscathed.

Posted by: tsj017 at October 05, 2011 06:27 PM (vOH26)

208 Point of order--it's not Rubio's ethnicity that matters--it is his AMERICAN message that he brings to the debate. The lefties hate him for the same reason that they hate Palin....he blows the shit out their worldview just by existing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 05, 2011 06:27 PM (7utQ2)

209 Mr. Tumnus looks better than Karen Tumulty and has less facial hair...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 05, 2011 06:29 PM (afrI6)

210 If we have to start sorting skin colors like the Democrats do we might as well break up like Yugoslavia now and get it over with.
Posted by: sifty is gettin his Depression on at October 05, 2011 06:25 PM (4CSeG)

Yeah. I'm all for putting everyone in the same racialcatagory as "American". Can't go wrong with that.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 06:30 PM (iRmUF)

211 Rubio is no more "ethnic" than Christie. He's lighter skinned than most Italian-Americans and Greek-Americans I've known.


To me the definition of ethnic has to do with how long ago your ancestors came here and how strongly you identify with that "home" country, which includes whether or not you grew up speaking that language. Ethnicity has nothing to do with color except insofar as color is a readily identifiable trait.



Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 06:32 PM (5H6zj)

212 Ace is probably so happy, he'll let a couple of hobos walk away unscathed.
Posted by: tsj017 at October 05, 2011 06:27 PM (vOH26)

Not to worry. He'll find something, anything to bitch about Palin (or any woman who claims to be conservative).

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 05, 2011 06:33 PM (iRmUF)

213 208
Point of order--it's not Rubio's ethnicity that matters--it is his AMERICAN message that he brings to the debate.

^This.

But it's moot. He said he won't take the VP slot.

Posted by: Y-not at October 05, 2011 06:34 PM (5H6zj)

214 You've hit the nail on the head, here. Rubio is a minority because the government says he is. I'd be a minority, too, if the government cared to make Swiss-Cherokee-Slovenian-Irish-God-knows-what-else into a protected class.The thought is that the folks who believe in identity politics would identify with a candidate who occupies the same government-defined ethnicity. It worked for Obama, right?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 05, 2011 06:20 PM (bjRNS)
Yeah, for some reason teh Government does not put my self chosen Category... MUTT, on their forms...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2011 06:34 PM (NtXW4)

215 @95: "Look, it's very nice that we have eliminated a "word" from all usage
writte or oral because it reminded people of an upsetting era."

Yeah, completely destroying part of language because it is sometimes offensive depending on who is saying it and how it is being said (i.e., fine to use in a multi-platinum rap album or Showtime at the Apollo comedy gig) is indeed "very nice." Depending on usage, the word in question can range from a positive term of endearment ("my [taboo]!") to an insult. Restricting language restricts thought, and that's rarely, if ever, a good idea.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 05, 2011 06:34 PM (xy9wk)

216 207
Ace is probably so happy, completely sh*tface drunk he'll let a couple of hobos walk away unscathed. won't notice the hobos escaping.

FIFY

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 05, 2011 06:35 PM (MKxSB)

217 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2011 06:35 PM (fyOgS)

218
<Levin asked her if she would consider 3rd party run. She said no as doing so would guarantee Obama's re-election.>
Finally, somebody gets it!

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 05, 2011 06:39 PM (7qKVv)

219 Everyone remember when in 08 Hillary agreed but complained but Obama totally refused to attend a fox news run debate?

Posted by: Shiggz at October 05, 2011 06:42 PM (I9fXA)

220 Why would Romney want to move to a city where the professional football team uses a perjorative for their mascot? Haven't his political advisors told him how bad it looks for his desire to live in a city associated with something like that?

Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2011 06:44 PM (GULKT)

221 @144: " Why do we have to pretend Rubio is not a white guy?"

Because race is the ultimate trump card in modern America, and, as everyone knows, "white ain't right".

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 05, 2011 06:52 PM (xy9wk)

222 Go with the simple explaination. Repubs are the Party of Stupid.

Posted by: TomJW at October 05, 2011 06:53 PM (nC3O5)

223 45 That rock epithet was a brand name a ways back.
Posted by: Craig Tucker at October 05, 2011 05:33 PM (ieDPL)
Indeed. There's probably at least one in every state in the union. I personally know of two such named landmarks, in twoseparate states. And because, as we passed by it, someone pointed out the peculiarly-shaped formation and informed me of themonikerassigned to it by the locals, I must be a racist!

Posted by: EyeTest at October 05, 2011 06:57 PM (ReC4P)

224 Fuck 'em. The candidates, all of them, should simply refuse to answer any questions in the second half.

They should just spout whatever talking points they have.

Maybe they should have a stump speech prepared, and run right into it, from wherever they left off last, when "questioned."

Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at October 05, 2011 07:01 PM (4sQwu)

225 i know it is off topic, however, the hippies are on the move in force. Seriously, there are thousands meandering through lower manhattan; a few hippies and lots and lots of union thugs.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 05, 2011 07:44 PM (loM0R)

226 Actually, with Newt on the dais, I'm happy that the MFM are running things.

He slaps their biased asses down every time.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 05, 2011 07:45 PM (T0NGe)

227 ABC news is reporting that Steve Jobs has died.
http://tinyurl.com/3jnxuko

Posted by: Anachronda at October 05, 2011 07:59 PM (xGZ+b)

228 Eh, they should dismiss the dambass gotcha questions.

Not play the game. And launch on Obama and the economy Every. Single. Time.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 05, 2011 08:03 PM (I49Jm)

229
Win or lose in 2012, I think this is the last cycle that GOP candidates will dance to the MSM tune vis-a-vis debates.
By 2016, there will either be a Republican running for re-election or it will be a free for all of information age/media savvy GOP candidates in their 40's who grew up instinctively avoiding or challening the liberal mdeia, who will not countenance such a limited (and hostile liberal) bunch of debate options.
Either that or we'll be in Year 2 of Soylent Green meets Omega Man and the silky soft sensibilities of Manhattan-Beltway millionaire TV and print personalities wont matter as much as where do people get clean water and untainted bags of cheesy-poofs?
So the MSM I say, "laugh while you can, Monkey-boys."

Posted by: Mike D. at October 05, 2011 08:35 PM (YUrBn)

230
Donald Graham Washington Post Publisher, Harvard. Katherine Weymouth Editor in ChiefHarvard.Karen Tumulty Harvard MBA Bloomberg News founder Michael Bloomberg Harvard. Tokennon-Harvard this Juliana Goldman Barnard/Columbia ex-wife of David Schuster. This will be a Romney love-in 100% guaranteed.
It is way past time for people to get it through their thick skulls that these made members of the Ivy League Mafiaare self-dealing group-thinkers who don't give a Rat's ass beyond the corridor or the SF-LA-Chi triangle.
EVERY big Financial house is run by these people. Every stinkin' scandal, from Solyndra to Lightsquared to Fannie Mae to Iraq to Enron involves them. They screw up and the pals in govt bail them out.

Posted by: cow college reject at October 05, 2011 09:08 PM (7ZXjs)

231 The GOP has no one to blame but themselves for these debates. Could it be worse than the Fox debacle?

Posted by: Molon Labe at October 05, 2011 09:38 PM (S7K8x)

232 #226: I don't think I've mentioned this yet, but Newt has been pretty awesome in recent weeks. I'm glad he stuck around after all, and that he learned from his early faux pas.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at October 05, 2011 09:50 PM (vQfJ3)

233 The R's need to wake up.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 05, 2011 10:06 PM (0fzsA)

234 When did we decide that it'd be a great thing for the Republican
presidential debates to be a bunch of gotcha questions from liberal
Democrats?

You need to talk to the idiots that comprise the Republican Party "leadership".

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