The Fizzle In Drizzle

Promising she was ready to have a "adult conversation" about the specifics of what needed to be done to right America, Palin set a marker for herself:

"It requires deeds not words, it's not enough for politicians to throw around some vague generalities..."

And then went on to speak in... vague generalities. (Note: All quotes were taken directly as she spoke, and might not be completely word-for-word accurate.)

Her five point plan could have been taken from just about any candidates' Standard Stump Speech, and I include Jon Huntsman when I say "any candidate."

Here are some of the detailed, specific non-vague-generalities highlights:

So far it's a "bona fide workin' man's plan" which is all about "empowerment."

"The way forward is no more politics as usual."

"All power not specifically delegated to the Federal government by the Constitution is reserved for the states, or we the people... so let's enforce the 10th amendment."

"We must repeal obamacare."

"Get the government out of the way, let the private sector breathe and expand..."

"No more runaway debt, we must priorize and cut. Cancel unused stimulus funds."

"The reality is we will have entitlement reform, either we do it ourselves or the world capital markets will."

Now, this advocacy for entitlement reform is semi-gutsy, but it is obviously not "detailed." And in fact most candidates talk of "reforming" entitlements. Few are very specific.

"We have the highest federal corporate tax rates in the world, do you know it's higher than China?"

Okay, I do not believe a single candidate does not advocate lowering the corporate tax rate. Including Huntsman.

She wants to cut it down to zero, which is at least a detail, and is at least not a gimme.

To pay for this, she wants to eliminate "loopholes and bailouts and corporate cronyism."

Remember, she's going to give you an "adult conversation," rich in detail, unlike other poltiicians, who speak in "vague generalities."

This speech was said to be two things, and hinted to a third.

First, it was supposed to be a "major announcement." If there was a major announcement here, I missed it entirely.

Second, it was supposed to be a "full-throated defense of the Tea Party." It wasn't. It was platitudes and bromides sprinkled with flattering the crowd.

What would a "full-throated (and "major") defense of the Tea Party" sound like? Well, for one, I'd think it should be persuasive to non-Tea Partiers. For another, I think it would be thoughtful, rather than off-the-cuff standard flatteries. For a third, I think it should be novel or new.

I could imagine a good speech about the Tea Party. I could imagine a speech going all the way back to the Town Halls during and after the Revolutionary War, when citizens were actually engaged in what their government and their country would be. I could imagine a speech detailing the patriotic conscientiousness of making sure that what was won by blood should not be lost by disregard.

And I could imagine such a speech noting that for decades, American citizens had largely abandoned this commitment to engagement with their own political fates, and a Media-Government Elite filled the vacuum, and over time, became less and less connected with the citizens they were supposedly serving.

And I could imagine a speech then noting that this Elite, having gotten cozy deciding the fate of the nation, reacts hysterically and angrily when citizens decide they want to take back their God-given right to decide the course of human events for themselves, viciously attacking Americans who had the audacity to say "We're taking our responsibilities as citizens seriously again, after too long leaving it them to you, those who craved power and assumed it and now cry like stuck animals when we attempt to take back what was always ours."

Maybe you don't think that's good. Maybe that strikes you as pedestrian and done to death.

But if you're going to claim a "full throated defense of the Tea Party," shouldn't there be something beyond the typical praise of the "workin' man" and the standard-issue statements that we're the ones who actually produce wealth?

That stuff is true. But it's unremarkable. Certainly it fails to live up to the advance billing.

Third, what was implied was that Palin would make an announcement about her candidacy. She hinted about this "See you on September 3rd!," a campaign-like commercial promised.

And she never said publicly, "Although I am giving a policy speech, I will not be making any kind of declaration on September 3rd." Such a statement was leaked by "sources close to the governor," but is there something "unconservative" about simply making one's plans known?

So that other people don't waste their time?

Instead, after the encouragement of interest, and the cultivation of speculation about what that "major announcement" might be, it was a very standard-issue and not-particularly-important or novel stump speech.

Some might find this sort of coyness and games-playing "brilliant" or the like. I don't.

Some may claim she "played a trick on the media." Yes, the media. And everyone else too.

David Letterman used to make a point of wasting "network time" on dumb stuff. The in-joke was "Can you believe we are doing a network broadcast and yet we're just showing videos of squirrels?"

I found that funny, for a time. Until I realized he wasn't just wasting the network's time with the squirrel videos; he was wasting my time, too. I stopped considering myself one of the people "inside the joke," laughing at NBC, and started considering myself one of the people being punked with time-wasting exercises.

It also occurred to me that as long as people like me were tuning in for the squirrel videos, the NBC corporate suits were happy. They didn't care if Letterman was wasting the audience's time. They sold commercial space either way.

So who was actually getting his chain yanked there? The media was getting paid, which is all they care about.

Palin got lots of attention for a speech that turned out to be extremely bullet-point and frankly trivial.

I don't consider this an achievement. I just consider it manipulative, and I don't just laugh it off as playing a prank on the stupid media.

A lot of people traveled a very long way and sat out in the rain for something that was suggested just might be The Big Announcement. A lot of people watched on TV.

And what they saw was a no-brainer stump speech.

Who's being pranked here? The media in attendance were all paid to be there. Their travel arrangements were comped. They'll get back their vacation day. And it was either covering this or covering Jon Huntsman.

What about everyone else?

Posted by: Ace at 03:27 PM



Comments

1 Second!

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 03:30 PM (+iwM3)

2 I don't think she ever intended to run, she just had fun stringing the MFM along.

Posted by: EC at September 03, 2011 03:30 PM (f4TZ2)

3
Sigh.
She's playing everyone. Who knows what she really wants? And more important, who cares?

Posted by: rockmom at September 03, 2011 03:31 PM (lSyyU)

4 Yeah, I just can't bring myself to care

Posted by: Muffolini at September 03, 2011 03:32 PM (SB0V2)

5 I'm liking Perry more and more. One of the things I like about Perry is that when he is challenged, he blasts you with specific facts and figures and doesn't give you "chicken-in-every-pot" politi-speak bs.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 03, 2011 03:32 PM (uVlA4)

6 The Adventure Continues.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States Has an Entire Afternoon to Kill at September 03, 2011 03:32 PM (KxADM)

7 Shorter Palin:

We must go forward, not backward,
upward, not forward,
and always twirling, twirling, twirling
towards Freedom.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 03, 2011 03:33 PM (h6mPj)

8 I like Palin's politics and I am sure she is a good person, but she honestly just annoys the ever lovin hell out of me with her down home folksy manner. Forgive me is I want my POTUS to speak and act like a Statesman, not a hick.

YMMV but I'm not a huge Palin fan for very superficial reasons.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 03, 2011 03:34 PM (uVlA4)

9 "Who's being pranked here?"

who's forcing you to follow ms. grizzly?

Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 03:35 PM (xD4bD)

10 Lighten up Francis.

Posted by: Dogbert at September 03, 2011 03:35 PM (JKETI)

11 When measured, it will have greater depth and impact than Obama's Thursday Night Pre-Game show.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 03, 2011 03:35 PM (lpWVn)

12 >>>First, it was supposed to be a "major announcement." If there was a major announcement here, I missed it entirely.

Silly goose. The major announcement was "I'M STILL HERE!"

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (hIWe1)

13 I only read the comments in the last thread and didn't watch, but i gathered one thing today, Obama is stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (qZD43)

14 I don't think she's running either. She gets to have fun, make some money, sell some books and stick it to the libs and MFM (but I repeat myself) She's better off in that position as a spokesperson. I like her, but I actually hope at this point she doesn't run. All She will do is peel votes from Perry and we'll end up with Mittens. If she isn't running, her draw and attention will go down once she makes it clear. So she needs to string it along as long as she can. Again I like her but the maybe I will, maybe I won't reminds me of Farve's retirement announcements. Shit or get off the pot and get out of the way and pitch in.

Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (nGQQE)

15 So how many times does she have to do this dance before the Palinistas realize that she's just leading them on?

Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (OrWka)

16 I cannot begin to tell you how much time I wasted on "teases" that never really "knew what they wanted".

Adios chica!

Posted by: +1 Ghost Touched Nail Clippers at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (hm9+Q)

17 Forgive me is I want my POTUS to speak and act like a Statesman, not a hick.

Pfffffffffft.

Posted by: Bill Jefferson Clinton at September 03, 2011 03:36 PM (KxADM)

18 I could imagine a speech detailing the patriotic conscientiousness of making sure that what was won by blood should not be lost by disregard
That was a good line ace,

Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (MtwBb)

19 48 You guys see the size of that shark I just jumped?
Posted by: Ace at August 13, 2011 05:09 PM (hKi42)

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (GULKT)

20 Can't cut the corporate rate to 0% without the help of Islam!
She's a Dhimmi!

Posted by: Pam Geller's Vestigial Nipple at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (FjxkL)

21 How can you say that advocating things like
eliminating the corporate income tax are vague and standard? No one has said this, and it's huge. She can do it because she isn't in the pocket of the corporations. Anyone else would be afraid to be called a crony.


People have often talked about eliminating double
taxation by dropping or reducing capital gains, but this is so much more
to the point. Corporations are moving to nightmarish work environments
in order to avoid taxes. In many of them, the labor is neither skilled
nor cheap and ONLY the tax breaks are making it happen. (Puerto Rico
is an offhand example, where they don't pay federal taxes but the
territory taxes and labor rules are ugly.) This would send jobs back to
the US very quickly.



Moreover, capital gains taxes are paid when stock is sold, so it
actually encourages stable long-term investment. Investors are less
likely to move to another country than businesses are, as well, so
putting the taxes on the investment side should require less opting out.



Also, there should be no need to change the capital gains tax, since
stocks are valued at the net present value of the stream of income.
Since all future years have necessarily higher profitability, there is
more profit to be taxed when the stock is sold.



Seriously. This is huge. I do think Sarah Palin just made enemies of
PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte Touche, and the other Big Four
accounting firms. The great thing about finance people, though, is the
provide information, a thing that has an unlimited demand. When Excel
came along, no one lost their jobs, they just produced more and better
profitability analyses. Same thing with the accountants and lawyers
this will affect. They can just do something else.

Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv)

22 I didn't watch the speech. I had enough of the will he/won't he's with Fred Thompson.

Posted by: huerfano at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (kD+se)

23 Up until about 6 months ago (maybe even less than that I can't really remember when my opinion changed) I liked Palin but thought she couldn't carry a campaign because she couldn't get beyond the same old stale hockey mom jokes and address issues substantively. I mean she could do a mean facebook post and had some good twitter-fu but her speeches pretty well sucked. Now I verge on dislike because she is just string everyone along playing spoiler and amking no effort to improve in her ability to address issues when she does give a speech. It's frustrating - there is a lot of candidate potential there but she is going the Angelyne route and just playing celebrity for the fun of playing celebrity.

Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (WNcvq)

24 "The reality is we will have entitlement reform, either we do it ourselves or the world capital markets will."

christie and ryan hardest hit

Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (xD4bD)

25
What's with Doctor Who?

Every single episode has either the doctor, Amy, or Rory dying. Shit's getting old.

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (gGgsq)

26 Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM

By your standard, Mark Levin should run for president. Also Larry Kudlow. Also Ace.

Waitaminnit....

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 03:40 PM (YjjrR)

27 I'm Sarah Palin-
and you've been punked!

Posted by: jjshaka at September 03, 2011 03:41 PM (zVt5q)

28 Relax, people.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 03:41 PM (c+YDL)

29 Who's being pranked here?

Look in the mirror.

Keep in mind, it's not because she says, "I have a big announcement." It's because she doesn't say, "I don't have a big announcement."

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 03:42 PM (73tyQ)

30 Yes, but is the speech divisible by 1?

Posted by: journolist at September 03, 2011 03:42 PM (Fb9Q0)

31 26
"The reality is we will have
entitlement reform, either we do it
ourselves or the world capital markets will."

christie and ryan
hardest hit





(1) Both have admitted as much and (2) neither man is running.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (o2lIv)

32 And by the way, I'm not suggesting it's "prime."

Posted by: journolist at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (Fb9Q0)

33 You guys are funny. Not in a good way.

Posted by: Rae4palin at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (G4RRM)

34 Don;t let the Palin talk distract you from college football today, Morons.

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (lh7Yc)

35
Nothing new to see here. Enthusiastic crowd, and moreautograph signing. The speech sounded like any other talking points platform. Where's the big announcement? Is anyone else as tired as I am with all this crap. Lets watch the debates on Sept.07 and go from there. Somehowthe anecdotal "Let down" comes tomind with all of the hype over another autograph party. Perry 2012!

Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (g+yPx)

36
How many times has this new doctor died?

He dies every episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo hoo.

And then he's alive again!

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:44 PM (gGgsq)

37 Any else think Palin is coordinating closely with the Perry campaign?

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 03:44 PM (c+YDL)

38 Just to clarify, who, exactly, said there would be a "big announcement"?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 03:44 PM (73tyQ)

39 Just support the dream act candidate already and make it official.

She endorsed the Ryan roadmap a long time ago ya know.

Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM (mXBxH)

40 I'm sorry I haven't read all the comments, but she's still a shrew and her followers are still idiots, right? Because all will not be right with my world until the same dozen or so people tell me that again.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM (5I0Yr)

41 39
Any else think Palin is coordinating closely with the Perry campaign?

Nope. It's not her style to coordinate with anybody.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM (KxADM)

42 She can string the media along - but all those people standing in the rain, spending money they don't have were expecting to see history. Sarah won't run. She has nothing built out. She talks of "Crony Capitalism" etc... yet you cannot run a nation campaign on stump speeches. Romney is pissed because now nothing stops Rick Perry. All the Palinbots are saying she will still jump in. I don't see how she wins enough early states to be viable?

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (i6Neb)

43 Ace,
first you go off on the altas shrugs chick, now this. It's become quite obvious that you have a problem with big-jugged women.

Seek help, learn to embrace big-jugs.

fly

Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (vouNK)

44 Any else think Palin is coordinating closely with the Perry campaign?

Nope.
She's not a team player.

Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (FjxkL)

45
Who is Lee Roy Selmon?

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:48 PM (gGgsq)

46 Compared to the former blue dog Democrat, compassionate conservative, crony capitalist, turned 10th amendment warrior, who now disavows all past versions, who says nothing because he comes across like a rambling bumbling fool in interviews and debates.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 03:48 PM (OAzB1)

47 OH NO! Your dream act candidate might not make it. Attack Sarah quick quick! lol

Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 03:48 PM (mXBxH)

48 I don't like the words "full-throated" and "Sarah Palin" used within 500 miles of each other.

Posted by: Uncomfortable Person at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (TRlpJ)

49 One more thing: changing the corporate tax rates just ignores how much time and money is wasted on getting taxes down to zero. Taxes are strictly managed, and the company makes itself profitable or unprofitable with the stroke of a pen. (Hint: to avoid taxes, all you have to do is get more expenses.) Also, I can't tell you how much time companies spend chasing RD tax credits and other things. In many cases it changes the decision for whether to purchase technology or reinvent the wheel. Whether she runs for president or not, this speech can't be called vague or ordinary.

Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (/4Vkv)

50

Ace would be better served if he practiced the Dale Carnigie method of persuasion.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (c+YDL)

51 Because all will not be right with my world until the same dozen or so people tell me that again.


Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM

Or you could hang out at Tepid Air and read the testosterone-dripping comments of millions hundreds dozens a handful of diehard Palin-worshipers.

The one thing Palin will have going for her -- if she runs -- is the same thing every Republican would-be candidate (except for Huntsman, Paul and -- maybe -- Mutt Romney) is that they will be running against the stuutering clusterf*** of a miserable failure. In a sane world, that should guarantee the Repub challenger a landslide win.

In the real world, it gives 'em a helluva good chance.

It's what America needs to have happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (YjjrR)

52 so just out of curiosity... are there any women alive today that you do respect Ace?

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (5X15o)

53 When the leftists talk about "empowerment" for the "working man"......they are usually advocating collective bargaining and the unionization of the work force.
Hearing her say this heightened my already existing suspicions of her being pro-union......Has anyone ever hear Palin say that "collective bargaining is not a right"?
I know that she has said some things about the NLRB and about union bosses, but I have yet to hear her elaborate on her position on how unions are one of the things that have driven jobs out of the country.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (EprMc)

54 30
Relax, people.

No, we can't "relax". This upcoming election is too f*cking serious for potential candidates to be playing these "will I or won't I *wink, wink*" games.

If Palin had announced her candidacy or put to rest any suspicions that she will be running for the Presidency this time 'round while simultaneously putting support behind a candidate(s), this speech wouldn't have been, for the most part, a colossal waste of time.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (c0A3e)

55 >>>OH NO! Your dream act candidate might not make it. Attack Sarah quick quick! lol

AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (hIWe1)

56 I agree. Even though I didn't expect her to announce I still expected a better speech than that. If there's one thing Sarah Palin is great at it's giving a rousing speech and that wasn't rousing. It was not thoughtful or delivered with any real passion. Not only didn't it live up to what it was supposed to be about, she didn't deliver her standard platitudes as well as she's capable of. I'm a sucker for Palin's platitudes but it all fell flat in that speech.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (4zKCA)

57 38

How many times has this new doctor died?

He dies every episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo hoo.

And then he's alive again!


Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:44 PM (gGgsq)
Here's the thing: I don't like the Doctor very much.He's arrogant, self-righteous, preachy and thinks he's smarter than he really is.As much as he seems to care, he doesn't, really.He travels in the Police Box but he's even more than the universe's policeman, he's the universe's moral scold.I'd argue that he's useful, but it seems that all the big bad enemies only want to get him, not the rest of us.And, frankly, the stakes aren't that high anymore. He won't die. His companions might, but if they get too whiny that "my husband died" or "my mother died" he'll just dump them for another one. He's really just a sociopath who just happens to have enemies who are worse than he is.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (73tyQ)

58 Oh. My. Goodness. Did this really deserve its own (very long) post? I thought the last one covered everything. *sigh*

I'm not sure how having an entire post bashing another conservative, even if it's Palin, for a speech s/he gave helps anything. Especially if the speech was consistent with conservative, if not particularly gripping.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 03:51 PM (21lBC)

59 38
How many times has this new doctor died?He dies every
episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo
hoo.And then he's alive again!


I stopped watching because of the almost supernatural way in which they now present the Doctor. Why have Tennant's Doctor experience negative consequences from trying to play God, only to embrace more supernatural qualities in Smith's? It renders the lessons meaningless.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 03:51 PM (o2lIv)

60 >>>so just out of curiosity... are there any women alive today that you do respect Ace?

Oh, I see: if you don't like Sarah Palin or think her unqualified then you're a misogynist. Because shit, if you don't respect Palin then how could you respect ANY women?

Way to fall back on the bullshit victimization tropes of the feminist Left there, champ.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:52 PM (hIWe1)

61 A
H
O
Y
!

Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 03, 2011 03:53 PM (FjxkL)

62 Except that the crowd itself, composed of the people that drove thousands of miles, loved it and got exactly what they wanted. I guess the bold and fearless Ace is no more, having been transformed into a corporate crony-loving Perrywinkle.

Posted by: Palin2012 at September 03, 2011 03:54 PM (TyGi3)

63 There can never be enough PALINISTOS on any one thread.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:54 PM (hIWe1)

64 sorry, I was washing my car

Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 03, 2011 03:55 PM (FjxkL)

65 >>>Except that the crowd itself, composed of the people that drove
thousands of miles, loved it and got exactly what they wanted. I guess
the bold and fearless Ace is no more, having been transformed into a
corporate crony-loving Perrywinkle.

O RLY? Were you there? How can you be so sure that they got exactly what they wanted? Have you spoken to all of them? (The mere fact that they applauded and cheered at the proper points in the speech isn't any sort of evidence -- what did you expect, for them to throw tomatoes?)

Seems more like YOU got what YOU fappingly wanted, and you're merely projecting that satisfaction onto the audience. Funny, that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:55 PM (hIWe1)

66 I tend to discount what Ace says about Palin...and for all the flustering, you've still got two posts here now about her. So she's not behaving the way you want, so what? She's going "off book." Now whether she runs or not...well, somebody's going to have to do something different, and it sure as hell isn't any of the mainstream doofi! Perry may be a fine candidate, but the Zero and his Fugly Machine are BUILT to destroy a Perry, a Bachman, a Romney...he's going to take his billion dollars and his media trollops and make this economy seem like it's the '50's or '60's....and did you know if you vote against him, why, you're a racist! Helmet Hair candidates need to be able to say "Polls are for strippers" in speeches more often....

Vote Weirdo!

Posted by: KngFish at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (3ZJmF)

67 45
Ace,
first you go off on the altas shrugs chick, now this. It's become quite obvious that you have a problem with big-jugged women.

Seek help, learn to embrace big-jugs.

fly


Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (vouNK)
--Pamela Gellar was on Ezra Levant's show yesterday. She looked hawt, but no boob shirt.

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (lh7Yc)

68 Criticism of Palin is just sexism, straight up.

Posted by: Paul at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (DsHk0)

69 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta

---

The next president isn't going to have any bearing on whether any if is here finds true love or is successful in our careers and pursuits.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (c+YDL)

70
Right, the doctor isn't even likable, anymore.


Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (gGgsq)

71 so just out of curiosity... are there any women alive today that you do respect Ace?

So If Palin was black I suppose he'd be racist? You are no better than the Obama freaks.

Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (7Iqhu)

72 23 How can you say that advocating things like eliminating the corporate income tax are vague and standard? No one has said this, and it's huge. She can do it because she isn't in the pocket of the corporations. Anyone else would be afraid to be called a crony.Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv)
----------------

Too much Palin koolaid? Or are you really this unknowledgeable?

Everything that Ms. Palin said.......has been said before, for years before, in business publications and on business channels, by fiscal conservatives.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (EprMc)

73 O/T, but I just got back from the grocery store, and while there I saw a man wearing a shirt that said "Our Founding Fathers would have been shooting by now". It was very impressive, especially since I am in Michigan and a college town. If any morons are single, I advise something like that as a chick magnet. I was tempted to speak to him, but I am too shy.

Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (6IV8T)

74 Ace listened to the same speech I did? The Daily Caller excerpts most of the points verbatim here: tiny.cc/bqg10

Posted by: Ken Moore at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (KmhkI)

75 Or you could hang out at Tepid Air and read the testosterone-dripping comments of millions hundreds dozens a handful of diehard Palin-worshipers.
This place is way funnier, Scribbles. But the "acceptable" anti-Palin vibe is grating. I feel sometimes like I've accidentally hit abc.com blogs. The speech wasn't necessarily vague, but it was dead. The atmosphere was dead. Oh well.

She never promised any announcement... in fact, I believe she said an "announcement" will be forthcoming by September's end. But that might just be something I read.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:58 PM (5I0Yr)

76 Oh, I see: if you don't like Sarah Palin or think her unqualified then
you're a misogynist. Because shit, if you don't respect Palin then how
could you respect ANY women? Way to fall back on the bullshit victimization tropes of the feminist Left there, champ.

Yeah. I started to type a response to that comment and then decided to stew in my indignation for a while longer.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (piMMO)

77 previous post: http:// along with the tiny url.

Posted by: Ken Moore at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (KmhkI)

78 I'm just glad Christy Canyon or Dolly Parton didn't speak today, Ace's rage would have been uncontainable *Ace SMASH!*

Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (vouNK)

79 Ah, so criticism of Palin is misogyny. Got it.

Ace is spot on. That is all.

P.S.: She still can't win. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 04:00 PM (7utQ2)

80 McScribbler, that's the reality. I held my nose and voted McShame. ABO.
I'll gladly vote Palin, I know what I'm getting. I'm interested in Perry, I'll be watching carefully, I'll close my eyes, hold my nose and cry but I'll vote for Mittens.
A B O.
There aint alot of "sitting home" this election cycle.

Posted by: I <3 teh haters at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (dh5Eu)

81 Ace you are so tiring. I enjoyed your site for 5 or 6 years now, but I think you have lived in NYC to long. "It was supposed to be", how many times can you repeat that? Sarah Palin never said it was supposed to be anything but what she delivered. It was your expectations that were let down from your own thinking. You need a break, your part of the problem now.

Posted by: Gbock at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (fnPLP)

82 "working man's plan" - FDR
"no more politics as ususal" - Obama
"repeal Obamacare" - standard GOP talking point
"10th Amendment" - right out of Rick Perry's book
"let private sector breath" - again, right out of Rick Perry's book
"no more runaway debt" - how does this differ from any other GOP candidate? It doesn't
"entitlement reform" - like what? No specifics.
Color me unimpressed. Just another day of Palin yanking everyone's chain and taking talking points that have been given by every damn one of the GOP candidates. So much for the "big" announcement.
Move on, Sarah, you are rapidly becoming sooooo 2008.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (sQnt4)

83 Palin's never gonna get off the stage unless she's pushed, and the lefties aren't gonna push her, 'cause she unwittingly serves their purposes. Can you just imagine the inevitable psychodrama surrounding her convention speech next year? Arguing over which night and time slot? Yeah. Good times.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (UsjBj)

84 After today, I really dont think she is running.

I do admire her for not letting the libs shut her up.
After her speech, she went right to the crowd and stayed for a long time.. she didnt run for the first tv camera.
I like Palin but she cant win, the polls arent there. Obama has to go. I am losing my most productive years. If he is re elected, I have no idea how I will ever retire.
Perry could beat Obama. Perry is vocal and conservative. He is my candidate.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp tea party terrorist and Perry supporter at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (qjUnn)

85 Palinistas are so damn sensitive.

Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 04:02 PM (7Iqhu)

86
Everything that Ms. Palin said.......has been said before, for years
before, in business publications and on business channels, by fiscal
conservatives.

But not by every (R) candidate running for president in the last two decades. In fact, our last nominee didn't even want to drill in ANWR...

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:02 PM (5I0Yr)

87 I am so Pissed at Palin (PAP) I just unfollowed jedediahbila on Twitter. If you are gonna run, frickin run already. Quit sniping at the front runners if you aint running yourself.

She needs to run, possibly lose in the primarys, learn from that and then run again in 4 or 8 years. Just RUN!!!!

Posted by: Palindrone at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (+OHfV)

88 76
O/T, but I just got back from the grocery store, and while there I saw a
man wearing a shirt that said "Our Founding Fathers would have been
shooting by now". It was very impressive, especially since I am in
Michigan and a college town. If any morons are single, I advise
something like that as a chick magnet. I was tempted to speak to him,
but I am too shy.


My sister saw people with "Impeach Obama" signs protesting outside the post office yesterday. While this part of suburban Houston is largely conservative, protests like that don't happen every day.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (o2lIv)

89 How come Perry doesnt do townhalls and open forums? All he does is fundraisers and house parties.
Is it because he is too dumb to answer questions on his feet? I think so.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (OAzB1)

90 O RLY? Were you there? How can you be so sure that they got exactly
what they wanted? Have you spoken to all of them? (The mere fact that
they applauded and cheered at the proper points in the speech isn't any
sort of evidence -- what did you expect, for them to throw tomatoes?)

They were there to see a celebrity. She could've done nothing but read her grocery list or sang In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly and they'd still have mostly gotten what they wanted.

Some may have been hoping for some hint that she was going to run, but nobody shows up to a Palin speech expecting a detailed, compelling, intellectual speech. She ain't exactly Bill Buckley.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (Jl4kG)

91
#49:
The only one to mention attack so far is you. Now, it is you who have turned this into a Perry thread. Good grief! And to think, I thought the grownups would bein today. Silly me.

Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (g+yPx)

92 I think Ace is just disappointed that he didn't have a chance to post a "Palin is unelectable" thread. He probably has that one at the ready. It will probably take the whole first page of the site. LOL.

Posted by: Danield at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (VF2id)

93 @23 How can you say that advocating things like
eliminating the corporate income tax are vague and standard? No one
has said this, and it's huge. She can do it because she isn't in the
pocket of the corporations. Anyone else would be afraid to be called a
crony.

You mean other than about half the financial writers out there. Megan McCardle did a big piece in the Atlantic last year. The Financial Times has advocated it repeatedly. Gary Johnson wrote a paper advocating for corporate tax elimination. I lnow I have heard it advocated by candidates on talk radio. It's nothing new to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (WNcvq)

94 Meh, i saw three specifics here:


Repeal the Government Health Care Takeover Act

Cancel unused stimulus funds

Eliminate corporate taxes


That's more specific than I'm hearing from most of the other candidates including Perry. I don't want Palin to run but this was pretty much a hack post trying to deny she had anything to offer.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (r4wIV)

95 Manifestations of PDS bring out the Palinistas that people hate so much. Just so you know. They don't seem to be a huge problem on other threads.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (21lBC)

96 I admit that I'd love for Palin to win because Palin winning is the only way to make liberals feel how horribly we'd all feel if Obama won a second term.
We couldrun a dead pool.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (GKQDR)

97 Is it because he is too dumb to answer questions on his feet? I think so.


Wednesday night. Be there, aloha.And you obviously have not been paying attention, sparky.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (7utQ2)

98 I'm not sure how having an entire post bashing another conservative, even if it's Palin, for a speech s/he gave helps anything.
I don't know how it helps to have Sarah Palin™ running around pissing into the tent of declared candidates every chance she gets, and in so doing writing Barack Obama's general-election campaign ads for him. Whichever of the Big Three primary candidates one supports, Sarah™ has been there to lob passive-aggressive bombs at him/her while refusing to declare her own intentions either way.

This only divides and embitters conservatives, and Sarah™ knows this, but she also knows that she personally profits from being the Ultimate Conservative Rogue. So the only thing to conclude is that for her, the "Country First" crap went out the window a long time ago.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (KxADM)

99 >>>Palinistas are so damn sensitive.

You would be too if you'd been fapping it off for 24 straight hours in anticipation of release, only to get blue-balled like she just did to her fans. Lotta redness and chafing right now...

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (hIWe1)

100 75
23
How can you say that advocating things like eliminating the corporate
income tax are vague and standard? No one has said this, and it's huge.
She can do it because she isn't in the pocket of the corporations.
Anyone else would be afraid to be called a crony.

Posted by:
Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv)
----------------

Too much Palin koolaid? Or are you really this unknowledgeable?

Everything that Ms. Palin said.......has been said before, for years
before, in business publications and on business channels, by fiscal
conservatives.
ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (EprMc)

What candidate has said this? When Forbes advocated a flat tax, it was revolutionary, and became his signature platform. It doesn't mean no business publications had ever discussed it, but it was a very bold move at the time. Now, other candidates advocate the same plan, and I still consider it pretty bold.

Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (/4Vkv)

101
Lyndon Larouchies like to hang around outside post offices and preach to people about the evils of the Fed.

Coulda been them.

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (gGgsq)

102 99 Manifestations of PDS bring out the Palinistas that people hate so much. Just so you know. They don't seem to be a huge problem on other threads.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (21lBC)
Good luck convincing Jeff B. and Hollowpoint that they are a big part of the problem.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (GULKT)

103 brb crashin' Marine One

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (I2LwF)

104 I see you folks finally caught up to the rest of us who recognized this fraud two years ago.

I wonder how many other vaunted conservative candidates are as big a fraud as Palin is.

Posted by: JEA at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (xMjLg)

105 >>>Manifestations of PDS bring out the Palinistas that people hate so much.
Just so you know. They don't seem to be a huge problem on other
threads.

Yeah, except for every single thread devoted to any other potential Presidential candidate on this blog over the last two and a half years.

Except for that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (hIWe1)

106 Ace listened to the same speech I did? The Daily Caller excerpts most of the points verbatim here: tiny.cc/bqg10
After reading that page, my conclusion is that Ace read the Daily Caller page, too.

Politicians are so focused on the symptoms and not the disease … so this is why we must remember that the challenge is not simply to replace Obama in 2012, but the challenge is who or what we will replace him with.The real stimulus we have been waiting for is robust and responsible energy production. We have the resources. Affordable, secure energy is the key to any thriving economy … drill here, drill now … stop kowtowing to foreign countries and dictators.
That is NOT specific.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (Qxe/p)

107 Seems to me there was no winning today. Even if Palin didn't want the hype, this was hyped to hell and had DRAMA surrounding it for weeks. At least once a day someone in the comments would ramp up and say something about the sept 3rd SPEECH and how important it would be. Now either Palin didn't notice this at all or allowed the hype to build. Take from that what you will.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (qZD43)

108 Goodness. Reading this thread, I'm inclined to believe that Palinism has stopped being a political movement, and has become an organized religion.

Posted by: J at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (LlC1G)

109 She sure does work the crowd well!

Posted by: poljunkie at September 03, 2011 04:07 PM (XuiJf)

110 setting aside Ace's mammory issues for a moment. Palin "left" conventional politics when she quit a gov. She now uses her status to focus attention onto things she cares about. If someone tunes in to her thinking they may hear she'll running but get "bromides" about the TEA party ,as Ace calls it instead, so what?

She's seems like a good person trying to do the right thing, and yes, feed her family too.

Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 04:07 PM (GzhjM)

111 Hey, JEA--who the fuck asked you?

Adults are talking. Go get me a sammich.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 04:08 PM (7utQ2)

112 @111: "Even if Palin didn't want the hype ..."

I stopped reading after that. Sorry.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 03, 2011 04:08 PM (UsjBj)

113
The next president isn't going to have any bearing on whether any if is
here finds true love or is successful in our careers and pursuits.

It would be extremely difficult to find true love or be successful in your career endeavors if you're dead because Iran gave nuclear weapons to a terrorist group who then used them on major cities. Also, not having money because you can't find a job due to excessive taxation/excessive regulation also hinders those types of things.


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 04:08 PM (c0A3e)

114 93
How come Perry doesnt do townhalls and open forums? All he does is fundraisers and house parties.

Is it because he is too dumb to answer questions on his feet? I think so.

I guess you missed this.
Rick Perry Speaking in Ottumwa Iowa. Aug. 27, 2011

http://tinyurl.com/3t5fzuf

The MSM IS NOT COVERING THIS.
You have to dig to find it.

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 04:08 PM (i6Neb)

115 97
@23 You mean other than about half the financial
writers out there. Megan McCardle did a big piece in the Atlantic last
year. The Financial Times has advocated it repeatedly. Gary Johnson
wrote a paper advocating for corporate tax elimination. I lnow I have
heard it advocated by candidates on talk radio. It's nothing new to
Sarah Palin.


It's also in the Roadmap and some other RSC members have been discussing it for several years.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (o2lIv)

116 Ace- The announcement was that she has a plan ie. a platform. You probably can take it as read that she therefore has a candidacy. But that aside, the fashion conscious conservative punditry, as well as those in-hoc, demand from her what they demand from no-one else- a complete slam dunk; historic references, policy detail, signs of clear intent, advocacy. A speech can do one or some of these but not all unless and until the scale of the occasion and the timing demands it. You seem to ignore that no politician outlines all that they believe, plan and intend at the same time. It's just not politics. You say that you can imagine such a speech: in one's imagination, yes. I can also imagine my team winning the league two months before the end of the season.

I think there was at least one full-throatded dimension- the attack on crony capitalism and implicitly the bail outs. That's a big undertaking right there. The only thing it lacked was naming names, but I think that would even have some legal implications potentially.

Posted by: ed t at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (JPvj2)

117 Palin's speech was excellent. As her first speech this election cycle, she laid out her foundational points. She also set her contrast with the "pay to play" opponents and DC "status quo" politicians. She will likely go into detail on each of her planks as the process continues.

She also introduced a unique US tax policy that stimulates the private sector and not the government. In doing so, she:

(1) Eliminates DC's ability to pick winners and losers through tax code,
(2) Eliminates DC's ability to pick winners and losers through stimulus spending

Palin separated herself from the beginning by pointing out that her potential GOP opponents will be utilizing "bag men" to fund their campaigns at a price, which is influence. In fact, she will dependent on contributions from individuals at the grass root level.

If you check her background, this is how she successfully took on the Big Oil sleaze in Alaska.

Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (Q63S1)

118 Yeah, except for every single thread devoted to any other potential Presidential candidate on this blog over the last two and a half years. Except for that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (hIWe1)
Usually caused because the moment someone mentions her you can't shut your trap. You know what used to happen when someone in a thread about another candidate mentioned Palin, it got maybe one or two comments and then was out of memory. But when a commenter follows your example of "dealing" with it, the thread is derailed.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (GULKT)

119 So Palin is so vague how is it I know more about her positions than say Romney or Perry. Not only that most Palin supporters have far more confidence and trust in her than the RINOs have in their candidates.

Just another LGF piece. When in doubt count on Ace to pull one of these pieces out of his ass.

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 04:10 PM (e36+G)

120 She's the ultimate tease, letting you think you'll get to nail her so you keep taking her out, when in reality you weren't even going to get a lowly handjob.

Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 03, 2011 04:10 PM (hGTfi)

121 Palin separated herself from the beginning by pointing out that her
potential GOP opponents will be utilizing "bag men" to fund their
campaigns at a price, which is influence. In fact, she will dependent on
contributions from individuals at the grass root level.

Thanks, this is known as "politics".

She is not running. Sorry to disappoint the feverish.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 04:11 PM (7utQ2)

122 I wonder how many other vaunted conservative candidates are as big a fraud as Palin is.

Palin is NOT a fraud as a conservative. She is a good person and a good conservative who is irritating the piss out of people, including may of those who like her.

Peddle your B.S. elsewhere.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:11 PM (piMMO)

123 105
Lyndon Larouchies like to hang around outside post offices and
preach to people about the evils of the Fed.Coulda been them.
Not this time. It was some people from one of the local Tea Party groups.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (o2lIv)

124 Ace is right. I have seen the light. Only Sarah Palin gives terrible speeches. Everyone else (especially Perry) is a regular Demosthenes.

Now excuse me while I put on my wide-brimmed hat and cotton sun dress. I need to go do the grocery shopping and then clean the house in my high heels.

Posted by: Miss Marple who has decided to become a Stepford wife at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (Fo83G)

125 What candidate has said this? When Forbes advocated a flat tax, it was revolutionary, and became his signature platform. It doesn't mean no business publications had ever discussed it, but it was a very bold move at the time. Now, other candidates advocate the same plan, and I still consider it pretty bold.
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (/4Vkv)
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But you didn't say that in your previous comment. You said " No one has said this, and it's huge."........As though it is an original thought that only Palin has come up with.
I think that Gingrich, Santorum and Perry have all said something similar....That eliminating the corp income tax would be optimum, but if not, then we must reduce it drasticallyto be competitve with other countries.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (EprMc)

126 Sarah Palin has turned into the Marvin K. Mooney of the Republican party.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (JNC/g)

127 Who is The Drizzle?

Posted by: Master Shake at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (nxptv)

128 Wa wa wa! Palin didn't do what I wanted her to do!

Posted by: Generic Republican at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (jqV1j)

129 If you check her background, this is how she successfully took on the Big Oil sleaze in Alaska.
Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (Q63S1)
Are conservatives against oil companies now? I missed that when did that start?

Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (MtwBb)

130 If someone can explain to me the major difference between the behavior of Palinistas and Paulbots, I'd love to hear it. It looks like the same type of knee-jerk defenders and blind hero worshipers, just with different leaders.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (nRTou)

131 Who is Lee Roy Selmon?


Posted by: soothie

Great DE for the early Bucs.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (lRjUK)

132 So much angst, Ace, on what Palin will or will not do. And so many people spinning their own expectations to boost their own profiles and insert themselves into the conversation. For example (via ABC News who noted "insider" claims):

"A source close to SarahPAC told ABC News that her team is upset about how the Tea Party of America seemed to hype the event based on the chance Palin would announce her 2012 intentions at the rally."

Palin (by being Palin) draws attention so affiliates close and distant play up anything Palin to draw audience and money. It's not necessarily that Palin is making things a circus: it's the peripheral actors who do. It's they who set all these expectations and try to lay a foundation that Palin herself hasn't set.

Here's an idea: let's treat her like an advocate of the Tea Party and smaller government ideals until she announces she's running for office. It's not her fault her fans want her to run just like it isn't Chris Christie's fault for wanting him to run. It's also not their faults when outsiders agitate on their behalves but without authority. So quit obsessing over their itineraries.

When she/they run, she/they run. End of story. Cover the new story when she runs. Otherwise, just treat her as an energizer for the Right.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (r4t7/)

133 So Palin is so vague how is it I know more about her positions than say Romney or Perry.

She likes it when you club the halibut in the pile-driver.

Posted by: Todd Palin at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (FjxkL)

134 "25
Up until about 6 months ago (maybe even less than that I can't really
remember when my opinion changed) I liked Palin but thought she couldn't
carry a campaign because she couldn't get beyond the same old stale
hockey mom jokes and address issues substantively. "

Something about a preference cascade I read about?

Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (i0rVe)

135 Ace is right. I have seen the light. Only Sarah Palin gives terrible
speeches. Everyone else (especially Perry) is a regular Demosthenes.

Conflate much?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 04:13 PM (7utQ2)

136 I'm staying away from the perry lovefest posts until the primary ends. Dingleperrys are damn sensitive. A stupid chillbilly can not beat Rick "the son of God" Perry. You guys are hurting your candidate. C'ya when the primary ends.

Posted by: F*cking Magnets.. How do they work? at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (Q8/ch)

137 I wonder how many other vaunted conservative candidates are as big a fraud as Palin is.How about a crony capitalist who Democrat when it was cool, who became a compassionate conservetive when it was cool, who became 10ther when it was cool, who is now backtracking on his entier past.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (OAzB1)

138 I see you folks finally caught up to the rest of us who recognized this fraud two years ago.


Go back to sucking your incompetent messiah's cock, shit-for-brains.

Posted by: Predator at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (nlFT+)

139 125 She's the ultimate tease, letting you think you'll get to nail her so you keep taking her out, when in reality you weren't even going to get a lowly handjob.
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 03, 2011 04:10 PM (hGTfi)

Hey, don't knock an Old Fashioned.

Posted by: Randy Marsh at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (nxptv)

140
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv)


running for president isnt about making enemies. especially of companies that employ workers. why do you palinistas want her to alienate people/politicians/companies?? shouldnt she be trying to convince them of her positions instead?

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (xAq1C)

141 Palin Palin Palin. This Palin talk is spoiling all the fun at all the parties this Summer. I get so bored I could scream.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (lRjUK)

142
the early Bucs?

You mean the team that never had a winning record* until Tony Dungy arrived?

*just guessin

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (gGgsq)

143 I like Palin, but I would like to see Barry Soetero lose even more next november 2012. So, I won't be voting for Palin should she run, and I hope she does not, my money and vote is going to Perry.
Palin has and will continue to do tremoendous amount for the conservative movement, made me realise heck yea, I'm more conservative than I thought, but I want that Marxist evicted next november, and who I can see as the best nominee to beat him gets my vote, Palin does not fit that bill, Perry does. Palin has way too much baggage the LSM has lambasted her with and more time needs to be spent attacking Barry next year than defending the GOP nominee.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (ACkhT)

144 145
125Hey, don't knock an Old Fashioned.

Posted by: Randy Marsh

They should be knocked, back.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (lRjUK)

145 Who is The Drizzle?

The rain.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (piMMO)

146
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (OAzB1)

surely you dont mean the same guy your messiah campaigned for less then a year ago??

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (xAq1C)

147 >>>How about a crony capitalist who Democrat when it was cool, who
became a compassionate conservetive when it was cool, who became 10ther
when it was cool, who is now backtracking on his entier past.

You stupid cunt, you're talking to a liberal troll. But it figures that you'd collude with him to bash Perry (or anyone else) in order to promote Palin. Any weapon at hand, amirite?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (hIWe1)

148 Again according to Palin's parameters-

Reagan was a crony corporate capitalist member of the political class.

Reagan like Perry received huge campaign donations-this makes Reagan *suspect* in retrospect.

Plus that damn Reagan never quit and served two full terms as governor that-

careerist....*sneer*.

Reagan also did well in the "polls" this would make him a stripper or cross country skiing elitist.

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (iRlbA)

149 Ace, I would only agree with you if Sarah had announced for president. She hasn't and is not likely to, although I wouldn't mind if she did. I admire her very much. Anyway, her comments are in the safe zone for someone who wants to rile the troops and keep the announced contenders honest.

Posted by: princetrumpet at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (Eaajn)

150 148

the early Bucs?

You mean the team that never had a winning record* until Tony Dungy arrived?

*just guessin


Posted by: soothie

They went to the NFC Championship in 1979. Very good D; no O. QB was Doug Williams.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (lRjUK)

151 Can I ask that everyone makes more effort to be respectful to each other?

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 04:17 PM (H479e)

152 Sarah Palin is Running and the Perry-krishnas can say what they want. She is going to wait for Perry to get beat up a bit before entering the 2012.

Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:17 PM (Uv2pf)

153 thank you for this very much. I will be telling all my influential friends in New York about it.

Posted by: curious epub at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (5I0Yr)

154 >>>surely you dont mean the same guy your messiah campaigned for less then a year ago??

No, you don't get it. "Winning" is a Palinista here from C4P (who linked us, I suspect). "JEA," the guy he was responding to, though, is an Obama-bot. And yet the 'Nistas are so blood-crazed in their weird sexualized support for Palin that it's 'any weapon to hand' for them, and they'll join with lefty trolls to tear down whoever seems to pose the biggest threat to her at any given time.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (hIWe1)

155 Can I ask that everyone makes more effort to be respectful to each other?

Yes, you can ask that.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (nlFT+)

156
wow I don't remember Doug Williams being with the Bucs

Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (gGgsq)

157 Now either Palin didn't notice this at all or allowed the hype to build. Take from that what you will.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (qZD43)So is she supposed to say, "Oh about that event that those nice people invited me to? Not such a big deal. Don't pay attention to it."

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (73tyQ)

158 I've got a great idea. Ace should run. He seems to be a "know everything", "get things done", "never, ever make a mistake" kinda guy.

Posted by: Nunya Bizness. TEA Party Terrorist at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (YhGYO)

159 Reagan was a Democrat in California which at the time had more Republicans.

Perry was a Democrat in Texas where Republicans barely existed and Democrats wee to the right of Zell Miller.

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (iRlbA)

160 Can I ask that everyone makes more effort to be respectful to each other?

ur a poopyhead.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (Jl4kG)

161
Ace is right. I have seen the light. Only Sarah Palin gives terrible
speeches. Everyone else (especially Perry) is a regular Demosthenes.

I'm not going to go that far. There are a lot of turds in the GOP punchbowl. The thing is I want Sarah Palin to run and be a successful candidate. Maybe she doesn't win the nomination and ends up as the VP pick again I could live with that. The reason I am frustrated with her to the point of verging on dislike is that she isn't making an effort and just as bad she won't make a decision.

Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (WNcvq)

162 I think she's well aware that fanatics can only fixate on one hatred at a time, thus her continuing to tease helps whoever is the eventual nominee. IMHO.

Posted by: Oschisms at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (GqM5k)

163 ugh.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (eOXTH)

164 "I like Palin but she cant win, the polls arent there."

polls are for strippers

Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (xD4bD)

165 Hotair linked this post in the headlines. The comments are hilarious.

Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (VKD8C)

166 Palin gives no red meat. And for all you Palinistas, perhaps you can tell us how she has improved the job market in the last three years? Oh, wait, she didn't since she quit her day job because of what? M-O-N-E-Y The only job she has created has been for a former Dole hack and a bus driver.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (sQnt4)

167 poles are for strippers

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (eOXTH)

168 Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (iRlbA)

Ex. Act. Ly.

It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (KxADM)

169 @27, 38: Preach it, Soothie!




Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (Y5I9o)

170 It's nice to see so much fellowship and unity among conservatives. We keep this up and we're sure to cream Princess Barry next November.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (nxptv)

171 I don't think I've heard any other politician embrace the no corporate tax rate either except Forbes. Now I have read about and seen it in action, Singapore does or did have a 10 year delay. No corporate tax for 10 years then it kicks in. I think most candidates don't want delve into specifics right now at least. So I disagree with Ace I think i've heard more specifics from Palin than Perry or Romney and she isn't even a candidate.

Posted by: lions at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (e9Fxu)

172 *were* to the right of Zell Miller.

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (iRlbA)

173 Poles are for Sebastian Vettel.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (nlFT+)

174 I like Ace's imagined full-throated defence of the tea party. The rest- meh. The flaccid hard-on for Palin is just plain tiresome.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (bZ8J6)

175 Can I ask that everyone makes more effort to be respectful to each other?

This isn't an inclusion council. Nor is it the high-school debate team.

Respect is earned.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (piMMO)

176 One of the good things about Palin doing these events, it sort of keeps the attention of the Barry worshipping "eye of Sauron" mediaaway fromPerry, etc.And I'll give credit to Palin, she doesn't hold back her wording about the Messaih.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (ACkhT)

177 Sarah Palin is Running and the Perry-krishnas can say what they want. She is going to wait for Perry to get beat up a bit before entering the 2012.
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:17 PM (Uv2pf)
Look I like Palin, I've defended her here against Jeff B. and ace on many threads. Perry isn't her problem, it's the American People. If she is going to run she needs to be making her case to them because the majority of them have a very low opinion of her.
This isn't some kind of game, we need a new president. She isn't acting as if she wants the job.

Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (MtwBb)

178 Have you listened to Perry give a 40 minute Presidential campaign speech, yet?

(Did she go for 40 minutes? I think it was close to that.)

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:22 PM (iRlbA)

179 serious cat

you may ask but..........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 04:22 PM (eOXTH)

180 157
Can I ask that everyone makes more effort to be respectful to each other?

Sure you can ask, .

Serious Cat, please forgive me for being too snide. I'm just frustrated because I feel SP is wasting our time..

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (c0A3e)

181 The speech was one of Palin's best and her best speeches are yet to come. Ace and the Perry-krishna betamales are just mad because she called their man out. Perry is a crony capitalist that would be locked for in a bunch of states for his pay to play. Palin was a brilliant and a better speaker than Perry and just about every other politician.

Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (Uv2pf)

182 #165, Perry was a Democrat for less time than Reagan was. And during those early days, he was known as one of the Pit Bulls, Democrats who sat in the pit of the House and destroyed every aggressives spending bill the Texas Dems tried to pass.
Perry wasn't the only one to leave the Dem Party when Al Gore lost to Dukakis and turned the party hard left. At least not in Texas. Hell, Jake Pickle was a dedicated Democrat but was as conservative as they came.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (sQnt4)

183 But it figures that you'd collude with him to bash
Perry (or anyone else) in order to promote Palin. Any weapon at hand,
amirite?


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (hIWe1)

pot -kettle

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (h+qn8)

184 >>>It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the
scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO
and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.

Palinistas in particular would hate him with a white-hot passion far exceeding that of any other potential GOP candidate, precisely because his charisma and charm would pose the greatest threat to Saint Sarah.

That's really a large part of why I hate the 'Nistas so much -- their attacks on other candidates have far, far less to do with any actual policy issues than they do with mindlessly zombie-rushing whichever candidate they think threatens their girl the most at any given time. If I weren't convinced it was a gut-level emotional reflex with these people I would deem it deviously cynical.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (hIWe1)

185 I thought Poles were Packer fans?

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (iRlbA)

186 One of the good things about Palin doing these
events, it sort of keeps the attention of the Barry worshipping "eye of
Sauron" mediaaway fromPerry, etc.And I'll give credit to Palin, she
doesn't hold back her wording about the Messaih.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (ACkhT)

yeah that's what I'm hoping for, she distracts the left at this point, as only She can.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (h+qn8)

187 polls are for strippers
Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (xD4bD)
I'd make another Lisa Ann reference but I nailed that to death in the last thread.

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (JIB66)

188 162

wow I don't remember Doug Williams being with the Bucs


Posted by: soothie

How old were you in 1979? I was a 12 yo football junkie. I used to play those early electronic hand-held football games and I would actually draw up a complete league wide schedule (28 teams back then). I never played all 16x28 games, but I tried.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (lRjUK)

189 >>>pot -kettle

In what possible way? I would never play tag-team with a liberal troll to beat up on some GOP candidate I disliked. I would tell them to get fucking lost and continue to make the case in my own terms.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (hIWe1)

190 Hi guys. Can one of you morons with skilz tan this coyote hide? I've got some murderin' to do...

Posted by: Rick Perry, bitches! at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (UOM48)

191 It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (KxADM)
Making you a dumbass.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (GULKT)

192 willow

golf clap......well played!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 04:26 PM (eOXTH)

193 Jeff that a Lefty JEA troll could be mistaken for one of US on this thread might tell ya something.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:26 PM (h+qn8)

194 jeffb

on your terms or your gf and gfs moms terms?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 04:27 PM (eOXTH)

195 ty phoenix.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:27 PM (h+qn8)

196
Remember COLECOVISION?


Posted by: soothiewing plover at September 03, 2011 04:27 PM (gGgsq)

197
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (Uv2pf)

IF she did in fact call out perry then she just shot a big hole in her integrity and credibility. she campaigned for him less than a year ago. why campaign for someone who you think is a corrupt pol??

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (xAq1C)

198 #184, yeah, I've heard Perry give a 40 minute speech. I was at a dinner where he was scheduled to speak. Here's how it went: Perry walked to the podium, notes in hand. Laid his speech on the podium, grabbed the mic and got down on floor level. For 45 minutes, sans notes, he railed on the Obama's administrations terrible handling of Hurricane Ike and the total devestation of Galveston Island. He rattled off facts and figures like an economics professor, and laid out how Obama was going to take our nation hard left with his policies, all in clear, concise specifics. He was right then as Obama has done exactly what Perry said he would do.
If you haven't seen Perry when he is pumped up and has the crowd on their feet, you have missed a lot.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (sQnt4)

199 >>>Jeff that a Lefty JEA troll could be mistaken for one of US on this thread might tell ya something.

Not really -- it just means you weren't really reading very carefully. I'd never seen the poster before myself, it was just obvious from the way he wrote that he was a lefty shill.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (hIWe1)

200 "She is in full-on Mama Grizzly mode, and we are all her cubs!"

Posted by: ghost of great Palin threads past at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (McS0m)

201 Sarah living inside Ace's head 24 freakin' 7!!!!!!!!!



Go 'Cuda

Posted by: panchita at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (mbCgy)

202 Jeff , alright.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (h+qn8)

203 203

Remember COLECOVISION?




Posted by: soothiewing plover

Yep. Had that and Intellivision. Intellivision had some great sports games.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (lRjUK)

204 Blah blah blah RINO establishment blah blah rent free in your head blah blah crony elitist Perry blah blah blah mama grizzly blah blah blah lamestream media blah blah playing checkers while she's playing chess blah blah blah unconventional campaign blah blah blah grassroots support like you have never seen before blah blah CUDA 12

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (TUax9)

205 There is nothing funnier than the responses when you say some mean about poor, poor, Rick Pewwy, awww, poor, poo Rick Pewwy.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (OAzB1)

206
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (sQnt4)

proof of what a dummy he is. he's not even smart enough to know how to use notes much less a teleprompter!!

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (xAq1C)

207 Reading the comments at HotAir right now.
Delusional doesn't begin to describe it.
Their heads sure went splody though when their latest primary poll had Perry beating their patron saint.

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (JIB66)

208 This is a dishonest take, something I do not see you do very often Ace. This was a Sarah Palin Fan Club meeting, badly organized, terrible entertainment etc. The only speaker was Palin. She laid out a reasonable and conservative 5 point plan. If she went into all the policy-wonkery you are demanding you would have castigated her for boring you with details.

You do not like her...I get that, and you have every right. But to pretend you are dropping your dislike to offer objective observations is the same way the media on the Left operates.

This is coming from someone that thinks Perry is the best candidate and Palin only has a small outside chance. But she does have something to say to a significant portion of the base that you seem eager to alienate, even if hers is only an inspirational voice.

I mean does it take Einstein to come up with a plan to beat Obama and let the economy work? Cut taxes, cut regulations, drill for our own f'ing oil and gas. The woman has said this from day one.

I think your real objection is you want everyone on board for YOUR candidate early and often, let them fight it out, the one that survives will be well suited to take down Obama. Or should we do as the Left and erect a concrete barrier between honest criticism and the glass jaw of our "chosen one?"

Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 04:30 PM (4vTGQ)

209 Mama Grizzly? She growls and Todd throws her the meat.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 04:30 PM (lpWVn)

210 zane

I've watched him work the crowd in Iowa in some short videos online.

Pretty impressive so far.

It's actually shocking to see someone without the prompter shields up.

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:30 PM (iRlbA)

211 robtr: "She isn't acting as if she wants the job."

I don't think she does want it right now, "now" being the operative word. She has been a fine kingmaker and helped move the electorate Right. Granted, SCoaMF has done that by himself, too, but Palin did get everyone's attention early and threw the first jawbreakers at President Glassjaw while so many others who actually had defined powers were sulking in the corners.

I think she'll keep doing that and remain an anchor for the Tea Party to antagonize the Left and to keep the GOP on a straighter path.

And I think that would be her greatest contribution to the grassroots until she runs for office. She's still very young and has oodles of time.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 04:30 PM (r4t7/)

212 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (hIWe1)
There's some zany Palin supporters out there (I'd go out on a limb and say there's a few more zany haters), but you're absolutely full of sh*t.

When somebody asked why Sergeant Perry wasn't doing mainstream media interviews, the answer came from several of them that the media is "scared of him". That's some serious douchery right there. Sorry. Every candidate has them. Deal with it.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 04:31 PM (5I0Yr)

213 #213, yeah, God forbid that we had a POTUS that could actually speak without the TOTUS. Or even have facts in his head.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:31 PM (sQnt4)

214 Those Perry speached are just that speaches, he doesnt take questions or interact with people because he's a bit slow and puts his foots in his mouth.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)

215 Blah blah blah basketball analogy blah blah obligatory comparison to Lincoln, Reagan, Jesus, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Patton, Gandalf, etc. blah blah ABP blah blah blah servant's heart blah blah Rove Krauthammer Castle ick blah blah blah

Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnd we finish it off by taking a giant shit on everyone actually running for the Republican nomination

/Palinista

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (TUax9)

216 >>>Reading the comments at HotAir right now.
>>>Delusional doesn't begin to describe it.
>>>Their heads sure went splody though when their latest primary poll had Perry beating their patron saint.
The comments at HotAir very nearly convince me that Oliver Wendell Holmes was right in Buck v. Bell after all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (hIWe1)

217 she campaigned for him less than a year ago. why campaign for someone who you think is a corrupt pol??
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (xAq1C)
Blasphemy. How dare you bring up Sarah Palin's previous endorsements and decisions, she plays eight-dimensional chess with Michio Kaku and that crazyovertanned guy with badhair on Ancient Aliens.

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (JIB66)

218 Jeff B.: "Palinistas in particular would hate him with a
white-hot passion far exceeding that of any other potential GOP
candidate, precisely because his charisma and charm would pose the
greatest threat to Saint Sarah."

What horseshit.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (r4t7/)

219 since Perry seems to be the choice , barring anything horrid happening . maybe we spend less time bashing other conservatives and spend alot of time attacking the jerk Chin chinimy and His administration? seems more constructive.
btw someone here said 0 of our loved ones killed last month in Afghanistan last month is that true?

if so a cause for celebration!

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (h+qn8)

220 This is a dishonest take, something I do not see you do very often Ace.
This was a Sarah Palin Fan Club meeting, badly organized, terrible
entertainment etc. The only speaker was Palin. She laid out a
reasonable and conservative 5 point plan. If she went into all the
policy-wonkery you are demanding you would have castigated her for
boring you with details.

Ace? Get bored with policy-wonkery and details?

You're kidding, right?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (Jl4kG)

221 Ace- The announcement was that she has a plan ie. a platform. You
probably can take it as read that she therefore has a candidacy. But
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Posted by: ed t at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (JPvj2)
New invention: paragraphs. Give it a shot.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (YiE0S)

222 Dude, Michio Kaku is da bomb. Da banzai bomb. I'd do sake shots with him any day.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (lRjUK)

223 Claiming that Reagan would be branded a RINO is are idiotic as claiming that Sarah Palin is just like Reagan.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (GULKT)

224 Those Perry speached are just that speaches, he doesnt take questions or interact with people because he's a bit slow and puts his foots in his mouth.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)
Diagram this sentence, Ace.
I dare you.

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (JIB66)

225 It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.

Really? Seeing her fan base is the Tea Party and most are 50 something white people that voted for Reagan, this is the tripe and Palin Bashing those without their own minds fall into to act like they are thinking just like Ace. At least Ace lays out his reason and some facts for his observations.

Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (4vTGQ)

226 Jehu

Who does Sarah Palin like?

Does she still like_______?

If we use Sarah Plain's point in this speech-she doesn't like anyone who served more than how long?

It also seems a new marker is that she doesn't trust anyone who has raised significant campaign donations.

Obama has raised record amounts.

Is it now a new evil to try and beat Obama by raising the funds needed?

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (iRlbA)

227 Those Perry speached are just that speaches, he doesnt take questions or interact with people because he's a bit slow and puts his foot in his mouth.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)
That is utter BS, even the left wing media marvels at the fact that Perry always takes questions and that he is always accessable.

Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (MtwBb)

228 Look, September/October, 2008 was a game changer for our nation. It is rapidly going to hell with another recession on the horizon. Palin can talk the talk, but has she been walking the walk, actually doing anything that helps us during these tough economic times besides hiring a bus driver?
And she wants to talk about "cronyism?" Give me a freaking break. Her running mate in Alaska was a freaking lobbyist, for God's sake.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:36 PM (sQnt4)

229 I thought "cunt" was one of those naughty, misogynistic words that were off limits on AoShq? Yet, here is jeff b. calling someone a cunt.

Posted by: mike at September 03, 2011 04:36 PM (CvkWF)

230 "cunt"

mmmmmm

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:37 PM (YiE0S)

231 is as* idiotic

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:37 PM (GULKT)

232 #236, not a word that anyone should use. But Palinists accusing Perry of being gay is also not something they should be doing.

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:37 PM (sQnt4)

233 Fuck you, Ace !

Posted by: olaf auer at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (p/xTm)

234 She wants to cut it down to zero, which is at least a detail, and is at least not a gimme.

Yes I am not supporting Palin at this point. If she wanted to be serious, she should have been "in" by now, and if she wanted to be serious she had better be offering a lot more than the other candidates in way of a plan, to make up for her detractors.

But I agree with her on corporate taxes. If I had my way, I would cut it to zero and place all those high payed non-producing tax departments, and, high payed non producing tax collectors on a life mission that has a new productive career. To "pay" for it, I would tax all transfers of money to foreign persons or institutions, and accounts. Which wouldn't require near as much bureaucracy on either side.

Since that is our biggest export, our money.

Step 1, reward profit. Make it easier to make big profits. Make profit reinvestment tax free. Making business growth tax free.
Step 2, discourage transferring US wealth to other nations except where highly beneficial and efficient.
Step 3, tax code doesn't favor big GE over little mom and pop.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (GE1+K)

235 In my Soothsayer-like attempt to lighten the mood, I give you this.

Also, Discovery is airing a show about the building at the WTC site. So far, they are focusing on the iron workers. Iron balls, indeed.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (piMMO)

236 Actually, the more time goes on, the more I listen to her and watch her maneuvering, the more respect I have for her.

I have no idea what she is going to do next - and when I see people tell her what she *should* be doing, and then watch her *not* do it, and *still* shape the discussion, I want to applaud.

Maybe she'll never get the job, but she's the one doing the work.

Posted by: LauderdaleVet at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (mnrxG)

237 >>>I thought "cunt" was one of those naughty, misogynistic words that were
off limits on AoShq? Yet, here is jeff b. calling someone a cunt.

I rarely if ever use that word. Honestly, didn't know it was off-limits here. If it is, I won't use it again. Hell, even if it's not, I still won't use it.

Seriously though, "winning" is a real twat scar.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (hIWe1)

238 Dude, Michio Kaku is da bomb. Da banzai bomb. I'd do sake shots with him any day.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (lRjUK)
He is awesome.
Wish he was doing the new Cosmos and not Neil deGrasse Tyson who just seems a bit too enthusiastic about worm holes.

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 04:39 PM (JIB66)

239 Bottom line: Ace has a bug up his ass about Sarah Palin and nothing she says or does is going to be good enough for him.This place is turning intoanother Hot Air.

Posted by: Crusty at September 03, 2011 04:39 PM (e/u95)

240 Jeff B. the C-word is one that could make Ace a little testy.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:39 PM (piMMO)

241 Hot Air linked to Ace. I think the Internet may be running backward.

Posted by: 29Victor at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (ES9R7)

242
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)

but when its sarah its all part of The Plan in which she is twisting the media's tail and leading them by the nose.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (xAq1C)

243
What a bunch of EeyoreNistas.

If she is that bad, then she will fail if she runs.

So much whining over Palin.

Posted by: Concerned Concerner at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (AeoUE)

244 @214

Hot Air's Palin worshiping brigade definitely went down a notch when that loon, Gary1234, stopped posting there. I spent about a week wondering if he was a serious Palinista or a Moby.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (TUax9)

245 edit: Sarah *Palin's new critique against the political class; she doesn't like anyone who has served for more than how long?

Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (iRlbA)

246 >>>Jeff B. the C-word is one that could make Ace a little testy.

Huh. Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know that. Well I won't be using it again. I really dislike it myself...and yet every now and then, in the presence of true zombie stupidity, it comes forth unbidden. Apologies.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (hIWe1)

247 Ace ace is a bit pussified, then?

It's no worse than calling someone an asshole. In fact, it's significantly better tasting (I imagine).

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (YiE0S)

248 Still waiting on the Palinistas to explain why she chose a lobbyist for her running mate in Alaska. Or haven't they canned an answer for that one yet?

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (sQnt4)

249 So is she supposed to say, "Oh about that event that those nice people invited me to? Not such a big deal. Don't pay attention to it."
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (73tyQ)
I really don't know. I guess it is nice she kept it a big deal for them, but for a fan of hers the allowing the teasing that she might make a big news announcement is kinda annoying. If she had put it to bed right off that it wasn't happening today instead of being sly, I think a lot of the criticisms might not be so harsh. I don't know if CSPAN would have covered it if she just said 'i'm going to say nice things but no word yet on my decision'so that might have been best for the event, but perhaps not her. People can only take so much teasing until they jump boat and support someone else. And to be honest that includes me from a while ago and i've put most of my eggs in the support Perry basket.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (qZD43)

250 That plan would of course require a re-visitation of import duties; but I think it would work.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (GE1+K)

251 the C-word is one that could make Ace a little testy.

you can't blame small testicles on a word.

Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (CUJV/)

252 >>>252 It's my shark and I will jump it as many times as I like.

>>>Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (hKi42)
----
ALERT THE MEDIA. Palinista troll "(hKi42)" in Ace repeat-sockpuppeting shocker!

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (hIWe1)

253 It's my shark and I will jump it as many times as I like.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (hKi42)

Socking Ace has resulted in banning. You might want to rethink that one.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (piMMO)

254 Huh. Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know that.

You've done a bunch of selective reading then. He's mentioned it several times this year and at least once last month.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 04:43 PM (GE1+K)

255 you can't blame small testicles on a word.

I needed a giggle.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:43 PM (piMMO)

256 Just to clarify, who, exactly, said there would be a "big announcement"?

They did..

...you know, the voices in Hollowpoint's head

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 04:43 PM (AnTyA)

257
you can't blame small testicles on a word.

Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (CUJV/)
I agree with Ace about Palin. But the c-word is no worse than being called an asshole. It's just a stupid artifact of our culture that we look at being called that as worse.

On the contrary --- "it" is a magnificent thing!

Armpits? Not so much.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:44 PM (YiE0S)

258 Huh. Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know
that. Well I won't be using it again. I really dislike it myself...and
yet every now and then, in the presence of true zombie stupidity, it
comes forth unbidden. Apologies.

Hell, I use the word. I just don't use it here. I didn't realize you'd been here that long. I thought I was one of the longest running morons.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:45 PM (piMMO)

259 254
>>>Jeff B. the C-word is one that could make Ace a little testy.

Huh.
Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know that.
Well I won't be using it again. I really dislike it myself...and yet
every now and then, in the presence of true zombie stupidity, it comes
forth unbidden. Apologies.


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (hIWe1)
--Yeah, when it first came up I had a post of mine (well, sockpuppeting Al Swearingen) bowdlerized.That's why I refer to the execrable C*ntessa Brewer with self-censoring.

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 04:45 PM (lh7Yc)

260 >>>You've done a bunch of selective reading then. He's mentioned it several times this year and at least once last month.

Well I don't always read all the comments.

And I do drink a lot of Val-U-Rite, so there's the blackouts to contend with as well. I seem to vaguely remember supporting McCain in 2008, but I was ruinously drunk at the time so I consider myself off the hook.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:45 PM (hIWe1)

261 I thought "cunt" was one of those naughty, misogynistic words that were
off limits on AoShq? Yet, here is jeff b. calling someone a cunt.

Jeffy B. gets a pass because he's special..

...in the riding the short-bus sense of the word

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 04:46 PM (AnTyA)

262 Reality needs to be faced. Despite the very active pro-Palin trolls on blogs like this, the VAST MAJORITY of REPUBLICANS do not want her in the race. She will not get the nomination nor would she win in the general if she did. IT IS OVER. This "maybe I'm running" and "maybe I'm not" routine is pure manipulation and insulting as hell to the base.

I have gone from liking her to defending her because I hate her detractors to now hating her MORE than her detractors. She spouts run-of-the-mill, boilerplate rhetoric that are basically assumed requirements of someone who calls themselves a Conservative.

Take away the looks and the charisma and there ain't much left. And yes I do discount those, the current occupant of the White House had those too. Palin is a symptom of the fact Republicans and Conservatives are craving strong, direct political leaders like Reagan. She is a poor substitute and we are all fools for spending so much time and effort talking about or defending her.

She is a holdover from the last failed "American Idol" style election and needs to be left behind.

Posted by: Ken Royall at September 03, 2011 04:46 PM (9zzk+)

263 Seriously Ace , this whole post is nonsense. Ofcourse her speech was full of "red meat" for the base, and "vague generalities." Was anyone who attended this speech seriously under the impression she would break out into full "Paul Ryan mode?" Seriously. And why are you so concerned about the feelings of "die hard Palin supporters?" If she decides to run, people can either vote for her or not. All these polls showing "X number of Republicans don't want Palin to run" "X number of Republicans think Palin is ______ (Fill in the blank)" Are bunk. You either, vote for Palin or you don't, simple as that. With that said, I am not a Palin supporter, currently I am supporting Perry, but the more I am finding out about his immigration stances, the more I am becoming uneasy.

Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 04:48 PM (1wgaP)

264 Afer reading Ace's topic post, I think that Sarah Palin is slowly easing out of the potential candidate role, and I think it's because she sees a candidate with the job performance history and credentials to appeal to a very wide section of American voters, andwho can and will stand up to JEF's Social Justice Legions, and, very likely, hand all of them, jointly and severally, major repeated public ass beatings.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 03, 2011 04:48 PM (VkGfe)

265 That's why I refer to the execrable C*ntessa Brewer with self-censoring.

Ace frowns on that term but don't be caught mentioning Long Bows!

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (lpWVn)

266 142
I'm staying away from the perry lovefest posts until the primary ends. Dingleperrys are damn sensitive. A stupid chillbilly can not beat Rick "the son of God" Perry. You guys are hurting your candidate. C'ya when the primary ends.

That will be President DinglePerry, thank you very much.

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (i6Neb)

267 Making you a dumbass.Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (GULKT)

Aaaahh shit, now I've done it. I've been pulled over by Buzzion, Forum Cop! Guardian of AoSHQ, always on hand with the whos, whats, and wheres of every AoSHQ dust-up. Watch your fuckin' mouths, people, or you're going in The File.
I shwear, offishur, it was jush ONE LITTLE TINY OPINION! I didn't mean anythin' by it, honesh. ::hic:: Pleash don't let the Reagan comment go on my record.... damn it all.... how'm I gonna tell the little lady about thish....

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (KxADM)

268 tl;dr

Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (N8eC4)

269 What about everyone else?
I stopped paying attention to Palin. I like her, but we're 14 months from a presidential election, and she hasn't said anything that made me take any notice.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (RZRz9)

270 This thread got posted to Hot Air.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:49 PM (o2lIv)

271 What about everyone else?




Posted by: Ace at 03:27 PM

-----------------

I remember someone at the end of Palin's speech, asking for donations to SarahPAC..........Or did I dream that?

If I didn't dream it, then I think that this little detail supports your position, Ace, that this was not a speech done for the sole purpose of "supporting the Tea Party".

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (EprMc)

272 I think it's possible she was originally planning on announcing and changed the plan at the last minute as a result of the scheduling snafu with Christine O'Donnell. She's taking a risk by running an unorthodox campaign (if that's what she's doing, and I think she is), and this is part of the reason why it's risky. Unfortunately for her, I think her window of opportunity is slipping by if it hasn't already. I think if Palin could somehow get elected she'd make a perfectly fine president, I'm just having a harder and harder time seeing it happening. Luckily, now that Perry is in, I'm less worried about it. I think he'd make a good president too, and I have an easier time seeing it happen.

Posted by: Disgruntled Monkey at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (v9hqk)

273 I don't blame anybody for teasing presidential runs. It's a proven strategy to make money and stay relevant. Palin's clear self-interest is to stretch this out as long as possible. She'll have to reinvent herself if a Repub wins in 2012. If Obama wins again she can still work the circuit bashing him.

It's a ... meh. Gingrich is running to bump his speaking fees. Giuliani did the same last time. Ron Paul makes way more since he became the perpetual libertarian campaigner.

It kinda sucks. But celebrity=money. And politics is a great way to become a celebrity.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (kNi6p)

274 241 - Mike, financial transaction taxes haven't worked out in the past. Money is fungible and the back room guys figure out a work around before the bill can get signed.

Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (WkuV6)

275 Claiming that Reagan would be branded a RINO is are idiotic as claiming that Sarah Palin is just like Reagan.

No, it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the "former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan, who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (Jl4kG)

276 If we use Sarah Plain's point in this speech-she doesn't like anyone who served more than how long?

She attacks the political elitists and you get term limits?

It also seems a new marker is that she doesn't trust anyone who has raised significant campaign donations.

Bullshit, it was in context of someone that has ruined the economy but has no problem spending a lot of time and our money raising cash for his re-election.

Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (4vTGQ)

277 "I have gone from liking her to defending her because I hate her
detractors to now hating her MORE than her detractors. She spouts
run-of-the-mill, boilerplate rhetoric that are basically assumed
requirements of someone who calls themselves a Conservative."

Yup.

She does setpiece speeches well. And that's about it.

I -- and I later noticed Karl Rove said the same thing -- expressed the idea that if Palin wanted to be a credible candidate in 2012, she needed to get out of the media limelight, and literally hit the books (and experts) studying.

Instead, reality TV and the rest of the media limelight.

Now I admit I never said she should serve out her first term as part of my "How Palin can be electable" plan because it never occurred to me she'd quit halfway through it --- certainly not as a result of pressure from Democrats!

Anyhow, Palin is all about Palin. She's making money, fine, whatever. She should not be President.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:51 PM (YiE0S)

278 >>>This thread got posted to Hot Air.

May God help us all now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:51 PM (hIWe1)

279 Aaaah caca....I don't know what I am doing wrongto make my comments truncated like that.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 04:52 PM (EprMc)

280 I think Ace formulated his commentary before the Palin speech.

Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 04:52 PM (Q63S1)

281 158 Sarah Palin is Running and the Perry-krishnas can say what they want. She is going to wait for Perry to get beat up a bit before entering the 2012.

Too late for Sarah, she can't build any momentum. How does she raise money if not from those evil crony capitalists? Maw & Pa going to send in $5 bucks every month? It's about beating Obama.
Perry can do that - Sarah cannot. Let Rick drain the swamp for 8 years. Sarah can take over in 2020.

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (i6Neb)

282 Palinistas in particular would hate him with a white-hot passion far
exceeding that of any other potential GOP candidate, precisely because
his charisma and charm would pose the greatest threat to Saint Sarah.That's
really a large part of why I hate the 'Nistas so much -- their attacks
on other candidates have far, far less to do with any actual policy
issues than they do with mindlessly zombie-rushing whichever candidate
they think threatens their girl the most at any given time. If I
weren't convinced it was a gut-level emotional reflex with these people I
would deem it deviously cynical.

That's a lot of stupid packed into three sentences.

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (AnTyA)

283 Somehow I remember Ace touting McCain as the man who would solve the GOP's problems. He was wrong then, and he is still trying to prove no one can jump the shark better than he can.

He should give up smoking.

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (e36+G)

284 >>>I think Ace formulated his commentary before the Palin speech.

No, he formulated it as the event was going on -- it's mostly a reconfiguration of his comments in the previous thread with some added thoughts.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (hIWe1)

285 But you didn't say that in your previous comment. You
said " No one has said this, and it's huge."........As though it is an
original thought that only Palin has come up with.
I think that Gingrich, Santorum and Perry have all
said something similar....That eliminating the corp income tax would be
optimum, but if not, then we must reduce it drasticallyto be competitve
with other countries.Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (EprMc)

Since I was responding to this comment from Ace:
"Her five point plan could have been taken from just about any
candidates' Standard Stump Speech, and I include Jon Huntsman when I say
"any candidate"
I thought it made sense in context. Sorry to mislead you, and thank you for the helpful kool-aid comment.
I just googled Gingrich Perry. Gingrich wants
the rate to be 12.5%, and Perry has made no specific statements. Perry
has, however, avoided the strategy of being vague in order to avoid
offending anyone:


Go look on youtube to see Rick Perry compare he civil rights movement to
the fight for lower corporate taxes, or google it to see some very
angry articles.

I'm kind of bummed because I was hoping someone
would want to discuss the specifics of the policies laid out. It's not
all about Sarah Palin, you know. The policy points laid out in that
speech were very interesting and credible to me, and I was extremely
excited when I heard the corporate tax one. No actual discussion of issues here, so I'm moving on.



Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (/4Vkv)

286 Awwww wittle war between the undead states doesn't like it when he's called a dumbass for a dumbass comment. A comment that is as stupid as comparing Palin to Reagan.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (GULKT)

287 278
This thread got posted to Hot Air.

Let the train wreck umm...commence? continue? multiply?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (c0A3e)

288 So, what have we learned -- instead of a primary we need Dick Cheney to lead a search committee for our candidate, and hope he picks himself again.

Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 04:54 PM (WkuV6)

289 Shit, it's International Bacon Day (US observance: the Saturday before Labor Day), and I haven't eaten a single slice.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 04:54 PM (+gfwN)

290 173 poles are for strippers

So Sarah Palin is going to be a stripper?

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 04:54 PM (i6Neb)

291 281
I don't blame anybody for teasing presidential runs. It's a proven
strategy to make money and stay relevant.


Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (kNi6p)

[Clears throat]Why you looking at us?

Posted by: Mario Cuomo and Jesse Jackson at September 03, 2011 04:55 PM (lh7Yc)

292 "That's a lot of stupid packed into three sentences."

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (AnTyA)
Impressively, you've packed in more in just one.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 04:55 PM (YiE0S)

293 @283

Palin is obviously better than Reagan.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (TUax9)

294 Hi, Everybody!

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (CUJV/)

295 Just to clarify, who, exactly, said there would be a "big announcement"?They did.....you know, the voices in Hollowpoint's head

Also, the people organizing the event:

Charlie Gruschow, co-founder of event host Tea Party of America, told
FoxNews.com he doesn't know what Palin will do at the rally, but that
"all we're being told is that she's going to make a major announcement."

As far as I know, she never refuted that statement.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (Jl4kG)

296 izoneguy - no Nancy Pelosi, havent you been paying attention -- and we get to throw coins at her.

Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (WkuV6)

297 >>>That's a lot of stupid packed into three sentences.

Oh I'm sure you think so. Now could you please explain to me why Palin fans are focused like a laser on tearing down Rick Perry, a guy who was presumably conservative enough for Palin to full-throatedly endorse and campaign for several times in previous years? Oh yeah, I remember: he's suddenly a "crony capitalist." It surely has nothing to do with the fact that he's the front-runner and he's sucked up most of Palin's media oxygen by filling her political space in the primary.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (hIWe1)

298 Did someone mention strippers?

Posted by: University of Miami Hurricanes at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (lh7Yc)

299 Ace, I have a copy of it. If you want a video, let me know and I will send it to you by yousendit...

I thought the speech was a major waste of time. Governor Palin's great strength is cutting a budget, trimming out specific waste, "putting the state jet on ebay", and I got none of that. She has an annoying habit, same as Bush 43, of making grins and smiles at the wrong moments. It looks odd and is very off-putting. It makes her speech seem childish rather than simple. Contrast her to speeches by Perry or Gingrich and you can see that she is being ill-advised to keep her speech so free from detail. BTW, I found Perry's debate for Governor where he accuses his opponent of sending a suitcase of cash to South American drug dealers. What a punch to the gut. Perry will possibly be the toughest GOP candidate, tougher than Christie, who is almost childish when he talks tough.

Last, we still get no info on Palin's big Why did she quit her job?

Posted by: Keating Willcox at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (zsyG/)

300 I also thought the line about wanting a divorce if the federal government is our family was pretty effective. Was it just more Palin looking for attention and stringing along the press and followers? Sure. But to portray it as empty and vapid is just odd to me after all the Perry cheerleading on this blog.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (r4wIV)

301 295
278
Let the train wreck
umm...commence? continue? multiply?

It's the 2nd headline. Let's just say that some of them don't think well of us.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (o2lIv)

302 If her comments on Twitter are anything to go by, at least Tammy Bruce is experiencing postcoital languor after Palin's speech.

Not that anyone gives a damn, but I find all this amusing. Ace must sometimes get vertigo as his readers rush him from Hero to Zero and back again. He Fights the Good Fight against Weiner, then is unimpressed by Palin and finds that his name is a three-letter word that is pronounced "Ace" but can be spelled "M-U-D."

At least he's not a squishy wimp like Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey, a pillar of snark like Allahpander, an above-his-pay-grade "pundit" like the Tepid Air Groan Room denizens, or a pompous little preppie like Jonah Goldberg.

Boy calls it like he sees it, straight out. I like that, even when I don't agree with him.

And Osama Obama remains, now and always, a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (YjjrR)

303 As one not committed to seeking higher office, Palin is playing the non-specific, non-detail oriented purity role quite well. She's well suited to talking points, generalities, and to be the stalking horse because for her, seemingly undeclared, there's no loss or gain.

The only damage coming from all of this is to the people who haven't reconciled their expectations and perception of her with her stated/ implied intentions.

I haven't followed her closely enough to give a shit about the prospective wish casting either way, but I can appreciate the role.

Posted by: Fritz at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (YhI7X)

304 @303 As far as I know, she never refudiated that statement.

FIFY

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (TUax9)

305 Let the train wreck umm...commence? continue? multiply?

Don't panic. This ain't no high speed train. It's been crashing for days (if not weeks) now.

As far as I can tell, everything is proceeding exactly along the Dem's playbook.

Has anyone else noticed that the LSM has pretty much stopped calling the Republican party fractured?

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (Qxe/p)

306 The Palin speech was about par for the venue. The media overhyped the venue. Time to chill, people.

Posted by: Tom Wannamaker at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (R/YwK)

307 Oh I'm sure you think so. Now could you please explain to me why Palin fans are focused like a laser on tearing down Rick Perry, a guy who was presumably conservative enough for Palin to full-throatedly endorse and campaign for several times in previous years? Oh yeah, I remember: he's suddenly a "crony capitalist." It surely has nothing to do with the fact that he's the front-runner and he's sucked up most of Palin's media oxygen by filling her political space in the primary.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (hIWe1)
Its usually the Romney fans that are really focused on going after Perry. But I understand why you think its Palin. You see her everywhere you look.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (GULKT)

308 >>>If her comments on Twitter are anything to go by, at least Tammy Bruce is experiencing postcoital languor after Palin's speech.

TAMMY BRUCE IN UNREQUITED PALIN-CRUSH SHOCKER.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (hIWe1)

309 I went to conservatives4palin dot com, I'm wondering why they think if she gets in, she's just magically going to go from being way behind Barry to ahead? and these aren't some random polls, rassmeseum had this poll. I read many of the comments, and quiet honestly I don't get it, Ron Paul supporters know he won't get the nomination but support him through certain consistent principles Paul had espoused and demonstrated through his many years in congress,
but with Palinistas, its like some magic wand will come and put her in the lead should she enter. They really don't even seem to acknowledge that reality, or have an explanation or plan on how to reverse it, I do not get it one bit.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (ACkhT)

310 Manifestations of PDS bring out the Palinistas that people hate so much. Just so you know. They don't seem to be a huge problem on other threads.


Exactly, from where I sit, the "Palin is a stupid bitch" bit is just as stupid and unattractive as the "Palin is the second coming of Jesus Reagan" bit.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 04:59 PM (r4wIV)

311 Somehow I remember Ace touting McCain as the man who would solve the GOP's problems. He was wrong then, and he is still trying to prove no one can jump the shark better than he can.
You should give up LSD to cut down on the halucinations. Ace was in Teh Fred camp.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 04:59 PM (Jl4kG)

312 Shhhh Christopher, don't let WBtUS read you saying that.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (GULKT)

313
For God's sake, stop being insufferable hypocrites.
Liberals have never given this kind of analysis or scrutiny to Obama's Unicorn farm dreams. Please do an honest story on Obama's campaign promises. Were there any specifics and if so did even one of the materialize?
Palin is simply setting forth her concepts--just as Obama did.
So stop imposing criteria on her that you never imposed on Obama.

Posted by: BMF at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (a0+mV)

314 Not sure I agree that there was a "set agenda" for this speech (other than a speculative and over zealous MSM guessing game). We are still pretty far out in the game and the two party system is wreaking havoc on itself. How about we all pop another batch of popcorn and stay tuned in?

Posted by: Scott at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (7cINF)

315 >>>Its usually the Romney fans that are really focused on going after
Perry. But I understand why you think its Palin. You see her
everywhere you look.
Fuck "usually," buzzion. I see JackStraw taking shots at Perry, but his critiques are actually reasoned (and he can be reasoned WITH, more importantly). What I'm referring to is the sudden spate of hacky attacks on Perry in the Palin threads. Want to bet that the people making those attacks aren't big fans of Mitt Romney?

C'mon now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (hIWe1)

316 Ahh, just rolled in. Think I'll sit back, relax, and just watch. Maybe grab a beer.
You betcha!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (A0VTZ)

317 256
Still waiting on the Palinistas to explain why she chose a lobbyist for
her running mate in Alaska. Or haven't they canned an answer for that
one yet?

Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (sQnt4)

I'm all in for Perry, but in Alaska the the candidates for lt gov and gov are selected separately in their own primaries. The gov candidate doesn't choose a running mate, but they do run together as a slate.

In TX, they don't even run together. We've had gov and lt gov from different parties a couple of times.

Posted by: stace at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (lYlx9)

318 Sarah Palin is Running and the Perry-krishnas can say what they want. She is going to wait for Perry to get beat up a bit before entering the 2012.
Then this would be the most incredibly stupid campaign strategy ever. She is going to wait till……when? Really. The Iowa Caucus is February 6, 2012. That is, of course, dependent on some other primary/caucus not moving up. That leaves her about 157 days to go. So she is going to frit away how many more weeks waiting on Perry to take a hit……….2, 3, 4? That cuts it down to 143 to 139 days…..to set up an organization (no, just someone to run a website and get the facebook account going….but to get volunteers in each precint, county chairpersons, set up offices, phone lines,) to fundraise, to meet/greet (Iowans are rather….I hate to say this word in light of someone else using it recently….but rather provincial about their politics….they expect to meet the candidate) and to set up a campaign staff everywhere else (New Hampshire, South Carolina).

She is far behind lining up staff and organization. If she is merely planning on running the vanity campaign….fine, get in late, let people pay attention to you…..but don’t blame someone else when you get beat by Michelle Bachmann for third and your campaign dies February 6.

Palin’s alleged Presidential ambition is starting to remind me of the joke about the guy on the roof during a flood waiting on God to save him while the rescue boat and helicopter pass by. In the end, he drowns.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (OWjjx)

319
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (GULKT)
You know, I could swear I remember you making a fuss about leaving these threads and hanging out in the football thread because you were Above Both the Pro-and-Anti-Palins and didn't want to read the same shit over and over.
Dude. Go get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works to calm you down. But enough already with the I've-got-everyone's-number crap.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KxADM)

320 Palin is still the only prominent politician who ridicules Barry like the scoamf he is. That's gotta be worth something, even to the most deranged PDSer.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 05:03 PM (5I0Yr)

321 Palin’s alleged Presidential ambition is starting to remind me of the
joke about the guy on the roof during a flood waiting on God to save him
while the rescue boat and helicopter pass by. In the end, he drowns.

I for one think it's a brilliant strategy. As long as she gets in before the Florida primary she's golden.

Posted by: Rudy Giuliani at September 03, 2011 05:04 PM (Jl4kG)

322 >>>Dude. Go get laid, have a
drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works to calm you down.
But enough already with the I've-got-everyone's-number crap.

That's it, Undead States. Your name just went down on THE LIST.

This is a very important list. And you don't want to be on it, let me tell you that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:04 PM (hIWe1)

323 It's the 2nd headline. Let's just say that some of them don't think well of us.

Aren't you just heart-broken over that? I know I am.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:04 PM (piMMO)

324 Jehu

No, she was definitely referring to any contender needs to be suspect if they raise large amounts of campaign donations.

Perry is a fund raising machine.

She also went on to describe how she has won election after election being outspent 3 to 1.

5 to 1.

Good. She won mayor of Wasilla population 8,000 on a dime.

She won governor of Alaska with a population of 710,231.

King County Washington, home of Seattle -has a population of 1,931,000 and probably has more TV channels.

She's finding fault with Perry for bringing in the donations which is what he has been making headlines for at Politico and the like.

She thinks she can win the Presidency without looking like a crony capitalist and raising large amounts of campaign donations?




Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 05:04 PM (iRlbA)

325 This special about the building of the tower really is good.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:04 PM (piMMO)

326 You know, I could swear I remember you making a fuss about leaving these threads and hanging out in the football thread because you were Above Both the Pro-and-Anti-Palins and didn't want to read the same shit over and over.
Dude. Go get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works to calm you down. But enough already with the I've-got-everyone's-number crap.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KxADM)
And I could swear you said you were going to stop engaging in this shit.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (GULKT)

327 It's the 2nd headline. Let's just say that some of them don't think well of us.

Oh the horror! *faints*

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (c0A3e)

328 Palin will endorse Perry, I suspect they will announce it the morning after NH, just to pull some eyeballs from Mittens (or Iowa if Bachmann blows it out). Until then the will flirt around the edges.

Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 05:06 PM (WkuV6)

329 No, she was definitely referring to any contender needs to be suspect if they raise large amounts of campaign donations.



Perry is a fund raising machine.

I think it's a shot at Obama. If it happens to be a shot at a Republican, I'd figure it'd be Romney first.

But even the Bible doesn't get this kind of scrutiny.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:07 PM (73tyQ)

330 One thing about Palin, she avoided the Corn Dog Trap!!

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:07 PM (lpWVn)

331 So stop imposing criteria on her that you never imposed on Obama.

Posted by: BMF at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM

Interesting comment.

The reason Palin is losing/has lost a lot of the morons and other conservatives is that we impose the same standards on her as we do on Obama or any other political whore candidate.

Granted, the stuttering clusterf***, etc. is far more incompetent, far less patriotic, and probably shouldn't even be an American citizen (or free rather than behind bars), and no one in their right mind would say those things about Palin.

Nonetheless, her record of accomplishment, while decent for someone running for, say, the House of Representatives (and better than the Chicago Jesus's), is insufficient for the presidency.

The Traitor-in-Chief has proven that.

I know I'd like to sense that the Repub candidate, whoever it is, will actually put in some work at the job, bring some common sense, and generally function as an executive.

I don't think worrying about the Salmon Quota or giving televised tours around Alaska reaches that bar.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 05:07 PM (YjjrR)

332 And I could swear you said you were going to stop engaging in this shit.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (GULKT)
Watch this...

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:07 PM (73tyQ)

333 I'm actually surprised Hot Air has any comments about this today. I would have thought a true Palinista would be watching The Unrefudiated on infinite loop on video on demand.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 05:08 PM (TUax9)

334
Palin won't run but she'll def show jeleousy that the diva isn't getting the attention she wants and make people wait as they firiously read her tweets, facebook posts, and watch her sucked up to in friendly arenas.
she's a great fundraiser and kingmaker (well except that whole DE thing) and she's well suited there to make MSM heads explode and lefties dump hate on her while she makes a shitload of money.
if she runs, I can't see her going all the way much less being the nom.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:08 PM (UzBwz)

335 >>>And I could swear you said you were going to stop engaging in this shit.

And I could swear that I wrote in other thread that I was going to go gentle on Palin today. Guess what? We all get carried away, we're all selective hypocrites at one time or another. None of us is perfect.

Now that we're done zinging each other, let me reiterate that Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:08 PM (hIWe1)

336 Dude. Go
get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works
to calm you down. But enough already with the
I've-got-everyone's-number crap.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KxADM)
Yeah, I know.Everybody knows it'll be Perry/Jindal cruising to victory next November.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (73tyQ)

337
Ahh, just rolled in. Think I'll sit back, relax, and just watch. Maybe grab a beer.

You betcha!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (A0VTZ)
--Delta, you're better off hanging in the college football thread.Oh, and South Florida is still pantsing Notre Lame.

Posted by: logprof, just asking questions at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (lh7Yc)

338 Palin will endorse Perry, I suspect they will announce it the morning
after NH, just to pull some eyeballs from Mittens (or Iowa if Bachmann
blows it out). Until then the will flirt around the edges.

From what I'm reading, you and I are apparently delusional.
At least we're consistently delusional.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (Qxe/p)

339 331
Aren't you just
heart-broken over that? I know I am.

No, not really. I didn't mean it like that.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (o2lIv)

340
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (Qxe/p)
+1

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:10 PM (UzBwz)

341 Oh, and South Florida is still pantsing Notre Lame.


Posted by: logprof, just asking questions at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (lh7Yc)

Ever since they ditched all the "God" stuff and embraced infanticide they just haven't been the same.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:10 PM (lpWVn)

342
Everybody knows it'll be Perry/Jindal cruising to victory next November.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (73tyQ)A distinct possibility. Jindal may not be much of a governor, but he sure knows how to climb the ladder.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (KxADM)

343
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:10 PM (lpWVn)
+1

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (UzBwz)

344 but with Palinistas, its like some magic wand will come and put her
in the lead should she enter. They really don't even seem to
acknowledge that reality, or have an explanation or plan on how to
reverse it, I do not get it one bit.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (ACkhT)
If it were possible to test the IQs of the Palinistas, and GOP voters as a whole; and then contrast Palnista w. non-Palinista GOP voters, I think this mystery would at last be solved.

Palinistas would also work out to being more faith-based than non-Palinista GOP voters, but then ............

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (YiE0S)

345 No, not really. I didn't mean it like that.
I know! I was teasing.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (piMMO)

346 If you want to have an unwarranted super-high self___ and an ego that would choke Rosie O'Donnel, go to Notre Dame or join the administration.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (+gfwN)

347 Delta, you're better off hanging in the college football thread.
Probably. But I do have a bit of masochist in me.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (A0VTZ)

348 self___, I typed. Weird.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (+gfwN)

349 is "image" a dirty word here?

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (+gfwN)

350
Probably. But I do have a bit of masochist in me.
I feel you

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (UzBwz)

351 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (KxADM)

Aw, damn, I thought I'd "Niagara Falls" you.


Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:13 PM (73tyQ)

352 It's the 2nd headline. Let's just say that some of them don't think well of us.

Oh the horror! *faints*


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (c0A3e)
they ain't the boss of us!
actually at times i read hot air and enjoy some of the commenters, i've never registered , but i understand this site is fast: loose and often furious, it might take some time to come to terms that there is a little flame war burning in all of us.
and sometimes even funny, if they can't appreciate that well, sniff.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:13 PM (h+qn8)

353 One thing about Palin, she avoided the Corn Dog Trap!!
Dammit!

Posted by: somebody else, not me at September 03, 2011 05:14 PM (7EV/g)

354 I thought that her speech was quite specific in its proposals. She spoke about the repeal of corporate taxes, and steering government to the protection of individual rights, capitalism and for it to practice fiscal responsibility.. Perhaps you were expecting precise Spock-like numbers or the text that goes into legislative bills. I'll just put this down a possible bad-pudding day or your having emptied your last bottle of Valu-rite.

Posted by: scrubjay at September 03, 2011 05:14 PM (FbJT1)

355 Regarding the speech, Palin's "fierce urgency of now" line was a serious burn.

She contrasted Bambi's famous "fierce urgency of now" (typically plagiarized) with all the images we've seen of him strutting from place to place with that fake street walk of his, fundraising, golfing, vacationing and making the occasional scolding speech... for three solid years. Some fierce urgency. She will no doubt be using it again because it is an absolute stinger.

That stuff is needed, no matter who we want to beat him.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 05:14 PM (5I0Yr)

356 Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:11 PM (YiE0S)
wow.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:14 PM (h+qn8)

357 and sometimes even funny, if they can't appreciate that well, sniff.


Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:13 PM (h+qn

I only come here for the comments.

Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (lpWVn)

358 Probably. But I do have a bit of masochist in me.
Dude, you're not wearing ass-less chaps now by any chance, are you?
'Cause if you are, I'm heading back to the football thread.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (QEOkb)

359 you're better off hanging in the college football thread.
College football?
To hell with that. I’ve got pennant race baseball on television, baby back ribs on the grill and a cold beer in the hand.

Gawd, I love Labor Day weekend.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (OWjjx)

360 brb, usin' my daughter to shield me from reporters on my way to Marine 1

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (+gfwN)

361 Can we have a post on something interesting? These Palin threads are colossally boring. Nobody has anything new or interesting to say. You could paste in the comments from a Palin thread a year ago and nobody could tell the difference.

Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (sVFWn)

362 I only come here for the comments.


Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (lpWVn)

I have strawberry lip gloss, fluff, fluff.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (h+qn8)

363 Dude, you're not wearing ass-less chaps now by any chance, are you?
No, but I brought a ball gag for some of the Palinistas.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (A0VTZ)

364 Heorot: How do you know this isn't a thread we necroed up from a year ago?

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (+gfwN)

365 Ever since they ditched all the "God" stuff and embraced infanticide they just haven't been the same.

Don't forget they hired that asshole Brian Kelly

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (AnTyA)

366 baby back ribs on the grill and a cold beer in the hand.
Nice my man. Now that's more like it.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:18 PM (A0VTZ)

367 Heorot: How do you know this isn't a thread we necroed up from a year ago?

Racist!

Oh. Nevermind.

Posted by: Cynthia McKinney at September 03, 2011 05:18 PM (piMMO)

368 Poor butt-hurt ACE. You stupid moron she told people over and over and over that she WOULD NOT be announcing her candidacy today. I know complete morons ARE rare, but indeed only a complete moron didn't know this.

Hell her man in Iowa flat out told people if they were coming for anything more than a great speech, they should stay home!

That said, it was a great speech. She kicked Perry's ass on his corrupt crony capitalism and laid out a damned fine plan for getting America back upon her feet.

Face it loser, you just hate strong women because you used to get your ass kicked by them as a kid.


BTW, she'll be in before the end of the month, and Perry's day in the sun will be over, then he can go back to selling his office to the highest bidder like he has for the last decade. $500,000 to push the ATT merger being over the top.

Palin will be our next President and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.

Posted by: Blackwater at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (qjOMY)

369 Delta Smelt, velvet handcuffs with that?

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (h+qn8)

370 369
I bought my daughter a Blizzard Pearl Fender Am. Standard Jazz Bass this afternoon.
I immediately sawed her Squire Bass in half so no one else would be hurt by it.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (lpWVn)

371 Cynthia McKinney wouldn't say "nevermind"

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (+gfwN)

372
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:14 PM (h+qn
What is your alternative hypothesis?

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (YiE0S)

373 velvet handcuffs with that?
Naw, duct tape.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (A0VTZ)

374 No, but I brought a ball gag for some of the Palinistas.
They qualify more for the leather hood than the ball gag.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (QEOkb)

375 At least he's not a squishy wimp like Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey, a
pillar of snark like Allahpander, an above-his-pay-grade "pundit" like
the Tepid Air Groan Room denizens, or a pompous little preppie like
Jonah Goldberg.
--------------

Well Said. let's not leave out Jazz Shaw, and Tina Korbe. Really Hot Air used to be one the first sites I visited every day, now it's become nothing but a Log Cabin Republican agenda driven site. The constant pushing of the gay agenda got old pretty quick too.

Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (1wgaP)

376 I liked her at the beginning, when she blasted Obama.

Since she resigned her Governorship, he lost me. What an airhead. Should have spent the time studying foreign affairs.

Posted by: Jimbo at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (O3R/2)

377 Blackwater: What troll are you sock puppeting now?

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (+gfwN)

378 369 Can we have a post on something interesting? These Palin threads are colossally boring. Nobody has anything new or interesting to say. You could paste in the comments from a Palin thread a year ago and nobody could tell the difference.
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (sVFWn)
I second that motion

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (H/MnC)

379 I’ve got pennant race baseball on television,

Best of the best in playoffs.
You know. No matter who's in the World Series, it's a fucking show and a half.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:21 PM (lpWVn)

380 Shit. They're showing the iron-workers standing up on a rail, sans harness or net, 700 feet up trying to repair a problem with a crane.

i'm dizzy now.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:22 PM (piMMO)

381 Oh sorry, I thought this was AceofSpadesHQ, but I see nothing but Palin threads.

Posted by: ronno at September 03, 2011 05:22 PM (nQR0p)

382
Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.
She was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.
So she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (+gfwN)

383
Cynthia McKinney wouldn't say "nevermind"

She would if she realized Barack Obama said it.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (piMMO)

384 Best of the best in playoffs.You know. No matter who's in the World Series, it's a fucking show and a half.

Get ready for the fall classic, 2012: The Texas Rangers against the Milwaukee Brewers. And the Brewers will win……….and the reason being…….well, you all should know by now.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (OWjjx)

385 brb, cutting campaign commercials in the Oval Office

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 05:24 PM (+gfwN)

386 Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.She
was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits
and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.So
she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the
right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.


Oh, Jesus! Ace was right. Now I've witnessed it for myself.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:24 PM (piMMO)

387 392 It's Bush's fault.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:24 PM (lpWVn)

388 but I see nothing but Palin threads.

Come to the dark side.

Posted by: college football thread at September 03, 2011 05:24 PM (GTbGH)

389 Random. possibly some are trying to remain loyal and hoping She can persevere (i don't think so any longer personally). Perry is a good pick and seems most are already on board.
She was kicked around mightily and They appreciate Her efforts in fighting back. And She Has.
I imagine they will get on board if she doesn't throw Her hat in, I would hate to lose a voting block that is as determined as this room to find a way out of the financial devastation we are all facing.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (h+qn8)

390
I was at Marco Rubio's speech at the Reagan Library. In it, he gave no specific plans or policies. Just the same old vague, standard conservative talking points. He didn't even touch the social issues. He was also ambiguous when asked whether he would accept the VP slot for 2012. Also, I shelled out $55 for this and I had to climb up a hill in 90-degree weather because the parking lot was full.

Mind you, I'm not complaining. I'd like to hear why Rubio was good and Palin was not.

Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (4UDoN)

391

Palin will be our next President and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.


Posted by: Blackwater at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (qjOMY)
We have tried to reach you about your meds for two weeks. Call the office and schedule an appointment to discuss this matter.
Call me.Nurse Mildred Ratched

Posted by: Nurse Mildred Ratched, RN at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (Lt/Za)

392 is "image" a dirty word here?

Posted by: Truman North

I think the HTML was expecting something else, so it hiccuped.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (rQH33)

393 Be grateful for these posts and these threads. At least nobody is crying this week as they will be next.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (piMMO)

394 Ace, that NYC elitism is rubbing off on you. Seriously, it's getting fucking tiresome.

I was at the speech, it took place in my hometown. The crowd got exactly what they wanted, which was Sarah, aside from her announcing explicitly that she was running.

What she did do, however, was start speaking in presidential terms. "My plan" is not a vague platitude. Proposing to eliminate the corporate tax entirely is not a vague platitude.

What is a vague platitude is the "she's an unqualified hick" vibe that prevails here.

Posted by: Thresher at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (PA3G8)

395 372
Heorot: How do you know this isn't a thread we necroed up from a year ago?

Hah

Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (sVFWn)

396 390

Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.
She
was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits
and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.
So
she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the
right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (+gfwN)
More importantly, she was forced to waste State resources to fight them.

Posted by: ronno at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (nQR0p)

397 Where's 'Nam Grunt when you need him to hijack a thread with food comments?

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (lpWVn)

398
Palin will be our next President and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.

this is where dumbasses like you piss me off. Do you think I don't want Palin as President? I merely don't want her as the nom because I think she has no chance in Hell against Obama or pratically any other serious Dem contender should he not run come 2012. I hope she proves me wrong and all that but she ain't going to be President in 2013.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:26 PM (UzBwz)

399 283
Claiming that Reagan would be branded a RINO is are idiotic as claiming that Sarah Palin is just like Reagan.

No,
it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a
perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the
"former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan,
who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion
who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?
.......................

I'm sorry but while I support Perry right now, the more I find out about Perry's immigration stances, especially the "binational insurance." As for "Reagan is too moderate for this radical GOP" go back to Kos with that bs troll.

Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 05:27 PM (1wgaP)

400 I thinki Perrywinkles are pissed because even though she is not in the race, her delays and barbs hurt Perry more than Romney.
Whatever she does, that "crony capitalist" line of attack is going to haunt the "career politician" Perry. The beginning of his erosion.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 05:27 PM (OAzB1)

401 From Joe Arpaio's facebook.

"Just
received phone call at my house from TX. Gov. Rick Perry. Had a great
conversation especially about immigration and other matters."

Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 05:27 PM (7Iqhu)

402 #403 Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (sVFWn)
"Heorot" reminds me of a StrategyPage commenter ... are you that "Heorot"?

Posted by: Arbalest at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (VkGfe)

403 405
Where's 'Nam Grunt when you need him to hijack a thread with food comments?

Will I do? I'm grilling fresh caught mahi-mahi for fish tacos (with wickedly hot homemade pico de gallo).




Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (UOM48)

404 Never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrites. If most of you had an honest bone in your bodies, and weren't looking at her speech as a way to beat her up, you'd see that youwould be singing the praises of that speech if Perry had given it.
Palin never promised a damn thing about that speech. Everything that was uttered or wondered about was by a bunch of media fucks using so-called "Palin insiders". How many effin times have the rumors from "insiders" turned out to be bullshit. Even the organizer of the event was spouting nothing but rumors.
Ace, you're not objective on Palin, and you never will be. If Perry had given that speech, you'd have sucked his dick.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (hfrm2)

405 Where's 'Nam Grunt when you need him to hijack a thread with food comments?
Soothsayer and I did our best at the last thread by talking about yummy sandwiches. It had no impact whatsoever. On this thread I linked an awesome Pac Man site and mentioned, several times, how good this show about the construction of the Freedom Tower is, but no one cares.

Whatever the view, folks are committed to this argument.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (piMMO)

406 "18 I cannot begin to tell you how much time I wasted on "teases" that never really "knew what they wanted".Adios chica!"

But the teases all had one thing in common, they definetlynot did want you.

When it comes to Palin, ACE is an ASS.

Posted by: Old Duffer at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (0D6lL)

407 maybe the football thread is more conducive to my zen moments. bblater

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (h+qn8)

408 Where's 'Nam Grunt when you need him to hijack a thread with food comments?
Damn it I tried! Baby back ribs……….come on people. Its Labor Day, surely someone else is grillin right now.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (OWjjx)

409
A lot of healthy dissent on this thread, but there is one thing we can all agree on.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 03, 2011 05:28 PM (Lt/Za)

410 Oh I'm sure you think so. Now could you please explain to me why Palin fans are focused like a laser on tearing down Rick Perr

Gosh...you never lump people together, do you?

I'm a big Perry supporter

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 05:29 PM (AnTyA)

411
I took Mrs. North to see Apollo 18 last night. I could make an epic movie review thread out of it, since there is really quite a lot in it to talk about that doesn't reveal the plot.
But
Don't go to it expecting a science fiction or even a science fact-ish movie. It's a straight up jump-scare horror movie. 2 stars out of 5. Possibly worth putting it at the bottom of your Netflix list.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:29 PM (+gfwN)

412 Mind you, I'm not complaining. I'd like to hear why Rubio was good and Palin was not.

Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (4UDoN)
You want the truth? Rubio went to law school.Among some, it's instant cred.All of that policy stuff that Palin's supposed to become a super-expert on? Well lawyers are just assumed to know all of it offhand.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:30 PM (73tyQ)

413 I see the circular firing squad is still going strong.

Focus, people: Barky is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 05:30 PM (UOM48)

414 Bwahaha


they just evacuated the ND stadium because a storm supposedly is coming. Hey, at least they figured out a way not to lose to USF

Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (AnTyA)

415 ...fish tacos (with wickedly hot homemade pico de gallo).

Lord, if I could eat that stuff again.
Alas, a surgeon's error took all spicy food from me.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (lpWVn)

416 Oh, and those of you spouting the garbage that she was going after Perry are nothing short of just plain stupid. In the same breath that she was talking of corny capitalism, she talked about Obama.
Quit looking for the boogie man coming after Perry. It wasn't Palin in this speech. Jeesh.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (hfrm2)

417 Where's 'Nam Grunt when you need him to hijack a thread with food comments?
I just talked the wife into BLT's with home-grown lettuce, home-grown tomatoes, homemade mayonnaise, and fresh baked bread.

Had to buy the bacon, though.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (Qxe/p)

418 I hope she proves me wrong and all that but she ain't going to be President in 2013.
That's no doub true.
I can forgive the quitting because of the law suits. I can understand that. Not many of us would have pushed our familes into bankruptcy for politics.
You know what I can't forgive? I can't forgive knowing that she needed to rehab her image as a serious person....and then doing a reality TV show.
Sorry, that's just not "Presidential." Of all the nails in her political coffin the TV show was the one that did it for me.
I like her personally, she seems genuine, I like that things she does say when she talks about conservatism. But the last 3 years have called her judgment into question for me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (QEOkb)

419
No, it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the "former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan, who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?
*applause* THIS Reagan was no conservative Gov but he learned on the job and got more conservative as his political career continued

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (UzBwz)

420 God is upset with Notre Dame so he brought the lighting bolts

Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (7Iqhu)

421 #403 Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (sVFWn)
"Heorot" reminds me of a StrategyPage commenter ... are you that "Heorot"?
Nope. Don't remember if I've ever even been there.

Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (sVFWn)

422 fish tacos

Tease.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (CUJV/)

423 So how many times does she have to do this dance before the Palinistas realize that she's just leading them on?

Right about the time they get their invite to attend a little get together at this cool new resort called Jonestown.

Posted by: Earl at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (PO5G4)

424 corny capitalism
Thinking of a good one liner....
Help me out folks....

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (A0VTZ)

425 God is upset with Notre Dame so he brought the lighting bolts

Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (7Iqhu)

See #349

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:33 PM (lpWVn)

426 A lot of healthy dissent on this thread, but there is one thing we can all agree on. 

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

---

And half of us have cunts. And the other half want them.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:34 PM (SOwfU)

427
I like her personally, she seems genuine, I like that things she does say when she talks about conservatism. But the last 3 years have called her judgment into question for me.
ditto, and if it were her or Obama, I'd vote for Palin. but according to the hardcore Palinistas I am a RINO who wants big govt cause she's not my nom and I question her.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:34 PM (UzBwz)

428
corny capitalism

Thinking of a good one liner....

Help me out folks....

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (A0VTZ)

Ethanol Subsidies and State Fair Corn Dog Vendors

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:35 PM (lpWVn)

429 And half of us have cunts. And the other half want them.
Half? Don't be so sure, Cupcake.

Posted by: Chazz Bono at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (QEOkb)

430 "You know what I can't forgive?  I can't forgive knowing that she needed to rehab her image as a serious person....and then doing a reality TV show."

This.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (SOwfU)

431 438 She thought it was the cure.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (lpWVn)

432 Oh, and those of you spouting the garbage that she was going after Perry are nothing short of just plain stupid. In the same breath that she was talking of corny capitalism, she talked about Obama.
Quit looking for the boogie man coming after Perry. It wasn't Palin in this speech. Jeesh.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (hfrm2)

And, the dumbass Palin supporters need to understand that, too, and I say that as someone who supports her. You're acting like idiots when you spout shit that she was attacking Perry for corny capitalism. Damn, people need to find the transcript to the speech, and look in the damn mirror when they start attacking people that are supposed to be on our side. This crap is getting really fucked up.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:37 PM (hfrm2)

433 republican party Must win. Let's make it happen.

that's all.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:37 PM (h+qn8)

434 Ethanol Subsidies and State Fair Corn Dog Vendors
I'd rather live under corny capitalism than cheesy capitalism any day.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:37 PM (A0VTZ)

435 You know what I can't forgive? I can't forgive knowing that she needed to rehab her image as a serious person....and then doing a reality TV show."
And if my memory serves me correctly (o.k., that wasn’t the first cold beer in my hand)…..didn’t she invite the Kate from Kate Plus 8 on that reality show.

If that is correct……that is not exactly the hard hitting image revising project I think I would do.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:38 PM (OWjjx)

436 She thought it was the cure.
Well, if it turns out thatwasthe case, then she is stupid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:38 PM (QEOkb)

437 432
corny capitalism
Thinking of a good one liner....
Help me out folks....
Hmm... corny capitalism=ethanol=ValuRite
Yes, there's definitely a joke lurking in there somewhere.

Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:40 PM (sVFWn)

438 So, after reading the comments, Palin is still hinting about running for president and Jane D'Oh is making fish tacos for dinner.

Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (4jMRd)

439 And if my memory serves
me correctly (o.k., that wasn’t the first cold beer in my hand)…..didn’t
she invite the Kate from Kate Plus 8 on that reality show.
I'm not sure if that was her idea or the producer's but Kate was on the show. And, from what I saw of it, she was an incredible bitch while there.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (piMMO)

440 republican party Must win. Let's make it happen.that's all.
Absolutely. I don't care who the nominee eventally is, I'll swim through 10 miles of shark-infested piss just to vote against JEF.
If Dennis Kucinich changed parties and won the Republican nomination....I'd vote for him. That's how much JEF needs to go.
But I'd want weekends with his hot,ginger wife to seal that deal....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (zZ0Ta)

441 I am a RINO who wants big govt cause she's not my nom and I question her.

Don’t fight the RINO. Embrace the RINO.



Sincerely,

His Excellency, Mallamutt Da Da, RINO President for Life and Supreme Commander of all RINO Forces, Conqueror of Puritans in General and AOSHQ In Particular.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (OWjjx)

442 Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.

She did quit. And the initial reason she gave for quitting was because she was a lame duck, which is a lame excuse.

Bankrupting her family is a valid excuse, and the one she should have led with.

As for running, I have no problem with it. If she wants to run, she should run. She won't win, but she should run if she wants to.

Posted by: Earl at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (PO5G4)

443
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (piMMO)
Kate's always a bitch, I enjoyed Palin's show

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (UzBwz)

444 Palin never promised a damn thing about that speech. Everything that
was uttered or wondered about was by a bunch of media fucks using
so-called "Palin insiders". How many effin times have the rumors from
"insiders" turned out to be bullshit. Even the organizer of the
event was spouting nothing but rumors.
THIS

The media knows they can still lead the less-informed around by their nose rings.



Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (AnTyA)

445 ...Kate was on the show. And, from what I saw of it, she was an incredible bitch while there.
Well, the producer told her to just be herself.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (lpWVn)

446 Damn it I tried! Baby back ribs……….come on people. Its Labor Day, surely someone else is grillin right now.

Posted by: Mallamutt

I will be later. I bought some beautiful filets at Sam's yesterday. Probably make a nice wine sauce to drizzle over them.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (rQH33)

447 438 "You know what I can't forgive? I can't forgive knowing that she needed to rehab her image as a serious person....and then doing a reality TV show." And Reagan was an actor in mostly B-movies, so was Aaaahnuld. So what? It is Saturday afternoon and we need a new threat (preferably free of politics) Food fight would be good

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (H/MnC)

448 So, after reading the comments, Palin is still hinting about running for president and Jane D'Oh is making fish tacos for dinner.

" Penfold" my ass. Your real name is Cliff. Cliff Notes!

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (Qxe/p)

449 President or not. Meh. I think that all the morons can agree that Saracuda has THE nicest sweater meat of the GOP pack. Can I get an amen? Look of the picture of her on Drudge. Bunk.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (jucos)

450 428
God is upset with Notre Dame so he brought the lighting bolts.

Zeus has always been a whiny cry-baby coward.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (c0A3e)

451 Damn that Palin...she didn't say or do what she never said she would say or do in the first place.

...and she was very disrespectful to our President

Posted by: AoSHQ United RiNO Front at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (AnTyA)

452 Oh my, Ma. Please, please do not ever again make me see the words Reagan and Ahnold in such close proximity.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (piMMO)

453 Since she resigned her Governorship, he lost me. What an airhead. Should have spent the time studying foreign affairs.
Yes. And the Constitution. And had a few sessions with a speech therapist. Instead she did a reality TV show, demonstrated that her kids mouth back at her, and proclaimed conservative generalitites on FOX. Now she's more unfocused than Obama on the oil spill and flitting around like Obama on vacation. And after 3 years she won't tell us if she's running or not. No thank you.

Posted by: Avogadra at September 03, 2011 05:45 PM (dtIOD)

454 I will be later. I bought some beautiful filets at Sam's yesterday. Probably make a nice wine sauce to drizzle over them.

Drizzle! You mentioned the post title!

Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:45 PM (73tyQ)

455
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (H/MnC)
diff. in being an actor and then serving 8 years as Gov of the most populist state and then running for prez. to serving 2 and a half years as gov of the smallest populated state and then trying to get political points with a reality show...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (UzBwz)

456 "Half?  Don't be so sure, Cupcake."

LOL.

OK, probably 60%.

Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (SOwfU)

457 What this blog needs is a weekend AoSHQ Lifestyle thread. Recipes, hobo marinades, grooming tips.....


Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (UOM48)

458 Had to buy the bacon, though.
Slacker. Where do you think you'll be able to buy bacon when the SHTF?

Posted by: G. Beck at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (7EV/g)

459
You want the truth? Rubio went to law school.Among some, it's instant cred.All
of that policy stuff that Palin's supposed to become a super-expert
on? Well lawyers are just assumed to know all of it offhand.


Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:30 PM

Yay! someone read my post. But srsly: Heh. I think you nailed it.

Steph, you go, girl.

Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (4UDoN)

460 The Freedom Tower will have 71 elevators. Geez. You will be able to go from the ground to the top in 30 seconds.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (piMMO)

461 And Reagan was an actor in mostly B-movies, so was Aaaahnuld. So what?
Ahhhnuld is, was, and always will be a fucking moron. And not in the good way.
Reagan had a serious intellectual pedigree in conservatism long before he showed up on the natonal scene. Go read "Reagan In His Own Hand."
Sarah does not compare favorably to Reagan in any manner, shape, or form. She does compare favorably to Arnold.
So she doesn't compare favorably to the patron saint to American conservatism, but she does compare favorably to a failed, adulterous, B-movie actor.
So she's got that goin' for her, which is nice.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (zZ0Ta)

462 " Penfold" my ass. Your real name is Cliff. Cliff Notes!

Heh. Sorry, I have not my had time to read all the insightful comments as this afternoon has been taken up caring for yet another foster kitten with the biggest case of ringworm i have ever seen.

Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 05:48 PM (4jMRd)

463 470
" Penfold" my ass. Your real name is Cliff. Cliff Notes!

Heh.
Sorry, I have not my had time to read all the insightful comments as
this afternoon has been taken up caring for yet another foster kitten
with the biggest case of ringworm i have ever seen.


Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 05:48 PM (4jMRd)
Awww....you're an angel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (UOM48)

464

btw, Scott Conroy over at RealClearPolitics thought the speech was worth reporting on. http://tinyurl.com/3wculxh

Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (4UDoN)

465 All right……time to get back to grillin and drinkin (o.k…..probably more of the later than the former).

Have a good Labor Day Weekend. Heading up to see the oldest daughter in college tomorrow to deliver some clothes (and cash…….) and then its tickets to the Cardinals vs. Brewers game Monday.

Stay safe.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (OWjjx)

466 465
What this blog needs is a weekend AoSHQ Lifestyle thread. Recipes, hobo marinades, grooming tips.....

Grooming? Given that this is AoSHQ, I assume you mean like with horses?

Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (sVFWn)

467 But really, didn't she sound drunk and disoriented to you? I know I initially supported her candidacy, but now I have reservations. SERIOUS. RESERVATIONS.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (le5qc)

468 Damn, I can't seem to get my fingers to type the correct spelling for crony.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:50 PM (hfrm2)

469 diff. in being an actor and then serving 8 years as Gov of the most populist state and then running for prez. to serving 2 and a half years as gov of the smallest populated state and then trying to get political points with a reality show...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (UzBwz)
Who gives a shit about who did what in whatever order. The point is everybody here appies different standards. I couldn't care less what a person did in their previous career. This is a free country and if someone wants to make a load of money (in a legal way) more power to them.

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:51 PM (H/MnC)

470
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:51 PM (H/MnC)
you're assuming I think otherwise. but as much as they can make money legally and seek public office no matter they're past...I can judge and make my choice based on their past as well.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (UzBwz)

471 Does anyone else see those IHOP frozen breakfast ads at the top and think "No thanks!"?

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (piMMO)

472 >>>475 But really, didn't she sound drunk and disoriented to you? I know I
initially supported her candidacy, but now I have reservations. SERIOUS.
RESERVATIONS.


>>>Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (le5qc)
Hey now, this one was good.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:53 PM (hIWe1)

473 I keep seeing the ad for the Boy Scouts, which is still a few years away for the padawan.

Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 05:53 PM (4jMRd)

474 Does anyone else see those IHOP frozen breakfast ads at the top and think "No thanks!"?
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (piMMO)
I would rather have HotPockets.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at September 03, 2011 05:53 PM (jucos)

475 Have a great weekend, Mallamutt.

Husband just came in from being on the boat all day with his buds. Gotta go get the Weber fired up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 05:54 PM (UOM48)

476 When Drudge starts calling her a tease, you know she's done. Oops, too late!

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 05:55 PM (/uJoK)

477 When Drudge starts calling her a tease, you know she's done. Oops, too late!
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 05:55 PM (/uJoK)
Yeah, Drudge has been so relevant lately. He's still always the first to report anything important, right?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (hfrm2)

478 The Discovery Channel, with the exception of the show that is on at present, really isn't even trying anymore. I just saw an ad for a show about 3 guidos who own a used car lot. Tuesday nights: Car Fellas.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (piMMO)

479
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (hfrm2)
I see kitty has claws

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (UzBwz)

480
Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (+gfwN)

was a perfect opportunity to exercise some leadership and and work to repeal the law that allows every petty little complaint to be blown up into such a big deal. she had the state bully pulpit and a perfect example of how frivolous the suits against her were. she took the easy way out,

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:59 PM (xAq1C)

481
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (piMMO)
History channel is also becoming a joke to it's namesake

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:59 PM (UzBwz)

482 Whatever Palin does, the crony capitalist line is sticking.
Her speech helped Romney's "career politician" critique.
I think the Perrywinkles are upset because they understand the damage she is doing to their guy, who must never be vetted or criticized.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 05:59 PM (OAzB1)

483
I think the Perrywinkles are upset because they understand the damage she is doing to their guy, who must never be vetted or criticized.
I disagree w/ Perry on a couple things. Looking at polls that she's trailing Perry if she's put in those polls, i'd say she's not hurting him at all. I also have my doubts she took a swipe at Perry at all and was just vague all around.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 06:02 PM (UzBwz)

484 When Drudge has Obama's negative numbers up = "OMG!! Look at the Drudge headlines!! Poll!!"

When Drudge criticizes Palin = "Meh, he's irrelevant...and so are polls, now that Palin said so."


Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (/uJoK)

485
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (E7Z1r)

486
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (/uJoK)
+1000

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (UzBwz)

487 493
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (E7Z1r)
^^^^This^^^^

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:05 PM (H/MnC)

488 468 The Freedom Tower will have 71 elevators. Geez. You will be able to go from the ground to the top in 30 seconds.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (piMMO)
Pikers, I don't even need shaft's!

Posted by: Willie Wonka's Glass Elevator at September 03, 2011 06:06 PM (FIDMq)

489 Here's my summary:

Palin's event today, with all the cancellations/ODonnell drama and so forth, gave off an aura of stuttering.
Put Perry in with a pack of coyotes, and I know who is getting a clusterf*ck.
Newt should of looked like he was on that couch with Pelosi only because he was pinned there with a spike in his ass; i.e. he should have looked miserable.
Romney = RomneyCare = failure

There is only one person that is worthy of the entire phrase though.


Posted by: GnuBreed at September 03, 2011 06:06 PM (ENKCw)

490 I'm really thankful for both Perry, andwhether she decides to get in or not- Palin. They're changing the discussion in the right direction. Both have enough wattage to do what needs to be done. The tone of this fight is pretty silly really, particularly in Sept. of 2011. Eye on the prize boys and girls: getting that stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure out of D.C. post-f*cking haste. And frankly, I'll be for whoever commits to the destruction of the DC status quo - but that's just my own little particular wish...go team R, etc., etc...

Posted by: Singyn Shinola at September 03, 2011 06:07 PM (NBj0d)

491 Whatever Palin does, the crony capitalist line is sticking.

You Betcha-
AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 03, 2011 06:08 PM (CUJV/)

492 493
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.Now....what ya gonna do about it?No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
There are berths reserved for them on the B Ark.

Posted by: Golgafrincham at September 03, 2011 06:08 PM (sVFWn)

493 I do like one bit of phrasing that was just used in the documentary about the construction: The hallowed ground "where three thousand people were murdered".

Not lost their lives. Not were victims of the plane crashes. Murdered.

Didn't expect that.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:09 PM (piMMO)

494 6 months ago I would have sworn Palin was going to be the nominee. I was tentatively in favor of it. Ace and a number of commenters here had problems with her as a candidate, and thought she was unlikely to be able to overcome the negatives surrounding her, enough to beat the incumbent idiot in the White House.

Well here we are, 6 months later, and any of you Palin supporters who are capable of being reasonable ought to be commending Ace for being right. Instead, I see the usual garbage comments from so-called Palin supporters. Good luck, folks. Don't let reality get in the way of your dreams.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 06:11 PM (Gc/Qi)

495 ace, I'm glad you actually had the balls to post this criticism of the tea party god. this woman also quit her job. nothing she does surprises me...this is more par for the course.

Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)

496 Everyone who's leaving, have a great weekend.
As to Palin, I like her. I don't think she's stupid, incompetent or however else the media tries to paint her. That being said, I don't think the Republicanshave the political will, even with a massive, you best political wet dreamlandslide, to implement the needed changes after the next election.
To avoid complete disaster, the next president is going to have to chainsaw government and entitlements taking jobs and money out of the left's, cold, rioting hands. I don't think the Republicans have the stomach to do what's necessary. I hope I'm wrong but I saw the last debt ceiling battle as the hill to stand and fight on.
In that case, not seeing Sarah getting the support she'd need to steer the train away from the cliff, I hope she makes as much money as she can in the private sector, stocks up on ammo and is there to help with the rebuilding.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (GKQDR)

497 lol

ot

fda wants women to register their silicone boobies!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (eOXTH)

498 495 493
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (E7Z1r)
^^^^This^^^^
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:05 PM (H/MnC)

-----
Vote for the guy in the best position to beat Obama. That's what you do.

Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 06:13 PM (OAzB1)

499 She is a moron and I do not mean someone who posts at Ace.

Posted by: Profiterole at September 03, 2011 06:13 PM (ychgM)

500 fda wants women to register their silicone boobies!!!!!

Yes. Because there's nothing more dangerous than firm boobehs. They are only looking out for the best interest of the poor victims of the fashion industry who were pressured to succumb to an unnatural feminine standard.

I would rather see a donor list.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:15 PM (piMMO)

501 Let's see if Obama rebuts her zero corporate tax proposal. Then if he does,she dragged him into the VORTEX! Muahhhhaaaaa!!!

Posted by: blogdorce one at September 03, 2011 06:16 PM (VNQYO)

502 505 lol ot fda wants women to register their silicone boobies!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (eOXTH)
Which means 98% will be from the same zipcode (whatever Hollyweirds zipcode is)

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:17 PM (H/MnC)

503 "The things they carried: Relics that tell the heart-wrenching
stories of the victims, survivors and rescuers of 9/11"

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 06:19 PM (o2lIv)

504 Today was the first time I watched a speech by this woman. My sister was watching, so I joined her. I agree with everything she said. We have a problem, it is called crony capitalism. I also liked what she said about corporate well-fare. Spot on. I will educate myself more about her policies and I may even vote for her.My mother will be happy, my sister, I'm not sure.

Posted by: Tony Lopez at September 03, 2011 06:20 PM (FUHIU)

505 hey dum-dum,
You never did get back to me about the many reasons I should vote for Obama. You've had more than a week. Let's hear 'em.

Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (g7D8V)

506 So this started out as a Palin thread and quickly transforms into a Doctor Who thread. What does this mean?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (44b3v)

507 Ace never has anything to say about Palin. Ace is a Pathetic Perry Supporter. You are not a conservative. You spew this shit like a Liberal Toad. Even Palin skeptics at Hotair say that you are off base. PseudoConservative Twits are Dick Perry's Base. Ace likes a Crooked Piece Crap that has no respect for Property Rights. Ace, I bet Palin had a higher GPA than Al Gore's Buddy.

Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (Uv2pf)

508 "The things they carried: Relics that tell the heart-wrenching
stories of the victims, survivors and rescuers of 9/11"
Jeez, M80. I've been watching the Discovery Channel all afternoon fascinated by the iron workers erecting the towers. I wasn't weepy until a few minutes ago when they started talking about the construction of the museum. Then you go and do this.

Dangit!

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:24 PM (piMMO)

509 It was a great speech and it is pretty damn that Palin is Running. Only A-Holes that hate Palin would say that she is not running. She has plans. Where is Invisible Dick. I hope Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney work Perry over.

Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:25 PM (Uv2pf)

510 503 ace, I'm glad you actually had the balls to post this criticism of the tea party god. this woman also quit her job. nothing she does surprises me...this is more par for the course.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)
Proof that Ace may be off base.... ProudJackAss agrees with his position.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2011 06:27 PM (NtXW4)

511 Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (Uv2pf)
So is that a fake troll or a real one? And if this is real trolling (and a real Palin supporter and not a 0bot) THIS is what people upthread were bitching about of Palin people coming just to bash Perry.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 06:27 PM (qZD43)

512 Do you think Marcus Bachmann can cure Rick Perry's Homosexuality after he cures Ace and himself?

Posted by: RightWingPsycho at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (Uv2pf)

513 503
ace, I'm glad you actually had the balls to post this criticism of the
tea party god. this woman also quit her job. nothing she does surprises
me...this is more par for the course.


Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)

Did you ever read this blog (or any Republican blogs) before a month ago? It really doesn't seem like it.

I've said for a while she can't win and I don't have any issue with Ace posting this, but a post like this isn't remotely surprising on this site.

Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (tZyw2)

514 Ace is a Pathetic Perry Supporter. You are not a conservative.
Seriously?
I guarantee I'm more conservative than Ace and I am a Perry supporter. I like Palin, but I'm goingfor Perry.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (44b3v)

515
TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:25 PM (Uv2pf)

it gives me such a stiffie when i hear palinistas reference The Plan (wish i knew how to insert the trademark symbol) its such an amazing thing in which she has accounted for every variable possible on her way the white house.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:29 PM (xAq1C)

516 I've always liked Palin, but it's time for her to poop or get off the pot regarding whether she's running.
Obama may be a SCOAMF, but he's a SCOAMF with the entire media behind him and a campaign war chest that's going to be staggering...not to mention the union thuggery and ballot irregularities that every Dem has at his disposal. The GOP has to make a good choice quickly regarding who the nominee is going to be if that person has any hope of getting enough funding to win.
I would have liked to have seen her in a debate with the other candidates. Since she's waited so long to announce, I can only assume she's out.

Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 06:30 PM (g7D8V)

517 Fucking Primaries, How Do They Work?

Posted by: Insane Voter Posse at September 03, 2011 06:30 PM (GTbGH)

518 I hope Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney work Perry over.

Rick is going to kick the crap out of all of them.
Perry knows they are going to gang up on him. I would say after this debate that a few more drop out.

Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 06:30 PM (i6Neb)

519 Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)

Shut the fuck up, asswipe. When we want a racist pinhead's view of the world, we'll ask you for it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 03, 2011 06:31 PM (yXz/E)

520 wish i knew how to insert the trademark symbol

ALT-00153™

Posted by: Insane Voter Posse at September 03, 2011 06:31 PM (GTbGH)

521 First I was a Cain supporter, now I'm a Perry supporter, and originally, a Palin supporter.

What I know for sure is that whoever wins the nod will need to have a thick skin and the understanding that his supporters don't.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 06:32 PM (Qxe/p)

522 Just use your cursor to highlight TM and then hit the a2 gadget.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)

523 514 So this started out as a Palin thread and quickly transforms into a Doctor Who thread. What does this mean?
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (44b3v)
Here on Canada's Space Channel, Doctor Who starts in half an hour. We have an hour long "Best of the Companions" special. That's either the second or third special so far.
In the official Doctor Who Tardis files, there is a 'President Obama" entry. It doesn't say that he's a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure though. Obama was on an episode, 2 years ago where he was supposed to give a televised speech to tell how he was going to end the recession. Sadly, the Master took over and by the time the Doctor restored everything,Obama's miracleplan was lost.
Art imitates life...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (GKQDR)

524 The Palinistas on this thread remind me of Monty Python's Black Knight.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (+iwM3)

525 Sarah Palin offered more substance and made more sense todaythan Romney and Perry have in their entire careers. Palin is certainly running and is running against a RINO with Money and a Crooked Crony Capitalist with Bilderberg Backing and Millions from the Corporate Masters. If you want your country back vote for SARAH PALIN.

Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:35 PM (Uv2pf)

526 516
"The
things they carried: Relics that tell the heart-wrenching
stories of the victims, survivors and rescuers of 9/11"Jeez, M80. I've been watching the
Discovery Channel all afternoon fascinated by the iron workers erecting
the towers. I wasn't weepy until a few minutes ago when they started
talking about the construction of the museum. Then you go and do this.Dangit!


Is that the Spielberg one? I liked the way they showed the progression on the building of the Freedom Tower and the waterfalls, as well as telling the stories of the workers. From what I've seen thus far, the museum is a beautiful tribute that effectively tells the story.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 06:36 PM (o2lIv)

527 Who's the lady grilling fish tacos?

Mmmmmmmm

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at September 03, 2011 06:36 PM (lh7Yc)

528 Bilderberg! Drink!

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 03, 2011 06:36 PM (yXz/E)

529 with Bilderberg Backing

Yes, the Bilderbergers.

*cuts eyes right and left*

Posted by: the templars at September 03, 2011 06:38 PM (GTbGH)

530 Isn't the entire point of being a Palin supporter to try to convince others to follow your lead? Palinistas all seem to drive people away from her.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:38 PM (nRTou)

531 This Thread Jim.....It's Dead.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at September 03, 2011 06:38 PM (lpWVn)

532 @533, the Bilderbergers, srsly?
Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows. Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate? Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!" Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate "The Colonel"? Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!
--So I Married an Axe Murderer

Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 06:38 PM (g7D8V)

533 Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:35 PM (Uv2pf)


Is this a fake troll or a real one? I'm trying to figure out whether to bother responding.

Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (tZyw2)

534 I've always liked Palin, but it's time for her to poop or get off the pot regarding whether she's running.
Crude, yet accurate.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (44b3v)

535 If you want your country back vote for SARAH PALIN.
RON PAUL!
Wait what? Things are lookin a bit similar though.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (dWPyO)

536 If Palin decides to run, she has my vote, if she doesn't I suppose Perry will get it. He's better than McCain, and I fucking had to go home and takerape victim-likeshower after voting for that fucker.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (Ky8qS)

537 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (fyOgS)

538 I finally got my damn power back this afternoon.Almost a fucking week without!

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (fyOgS)

539 Art imitates life...
Oh, now I remember.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (44b3v)

540 Never gets old.

Posted by: the templars at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (GTbGH)

541
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)

for some reason my toolbar isnt working. but if it does again i will try that
Posted by: Insane Voter Posse at September 03, 2011 06:31 PM (GTbGH)
that did work for me! and when i inserted it in a search it found a webpage full of alt codes!!™




Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (xAq1C)

542 Holy crap.. this thread is still up?

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp tea party terrorist and Perry supporter at September 03, 2011 06:41 PM (qjUnn)

543 Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (Ky8qS)
I got drunk on Smirnoff and Coke while filling in my ballot for Palin.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 06:41 PM (GKQDR)

544 545 Which is why we can argue about "Who Killed Who" right now but when it comes to the cutting, anybody with an R to the right of their name. We'll sort out the mess later.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at September 03, 2011 06:42 PM (lpWVn)

545 Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (fyOgS)
Welcome back to civilization.
15 minutes to Doctor Who....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 06:42 PM (GKQDR)

546 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (fyOgS)
Finally, someone with something very intelligent to say. I salute you

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:42 PM (H/MnC)

547 OFF DAMN SOCK!

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 03, 2011 06:43 PM (lpWVn)

548 New thread.... please?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (21lBC)

549 I still insist she was drunk. Not just tipsy, but drunk and disgusting!11!!!!! No Neo-Puritan could ever support the candidacy of A FUCKING ALKY!!1!!!

I am the boss at RedState, and the corporate Neo-Puritan masters gave me permission to say so.
This is CNN, hear me roar!1!!!1!!!

Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (le5qc)

550 New thread.... please?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (21lBC)
+10000000000000

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (qZD43)

551 I propose we talk about silicone boobies

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (H/MnC)

552 551
Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (Ky8qS)
I got drunk on Smirnoff and Coke while filling in my ballot for Palin.
--------
I went to the bar when McCain lost Ohio, which meant he lost. And looked around wondering what 51% of the mother fuckers in there voted for Zero. Excuse my language, just thinking about it pisses me right the fuck off.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (Ky8qS)

553 Proof that Ace may be off base.... ProudJackAss agrees with his position.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2011 06:27 PM (NtXW4)
--Is it donkeyhotay/Dum-Dum?

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (lh7Yc)

554 >>>Ace, you're not objective on Palin, and you never will be. If Perry had given that speech, you'd have sucked his dick.

Are you kidding me?

No, if Perry gave speeches like that, I wouldn't have supported him in the first place.

The first or second thing I checked was "Does he sound like a goober? No? Okay, clears that check."

Palin sounds like a scatter-brained goober.

By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of it, but she was caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her voice.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (nj1bB)

555 Is that the Spielberg one? I liked the way they showed the progression
on the building of the Freedom Tower and the waterfalls, as well as
telling the stories of the workers. From what I've seen thus far, the
museum is a beautiful tribute that effectively tells the story.

That's it. It is a fantastic special. No politics. No bullshit. And it's very touching to see the dedication of the workers involved at ground zero. The museum is going to be spectacular in its portrayal of those who died there.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (piMMO)

556 559 I propose we talk about silicone boobies
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (H/MnC)

-----------------------------------------------------------

I don't have any (silicone, that is). Does that count.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:46 PM (21lBC)

557 --Is it donkeyhotay/Dum-Dum?

Indeed. Like a dog, the dunce returns to his vomit.

Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 06:47 PM (GTbGH)

558 559 I propose we talk about silicone boobies Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (H/MnC)
Obligatory pics or it doesn't count.

Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 06:49 PM (qZD43)

559 556
New thread.... please?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (21lBC)
--I'd be happy if someone just bumped the football thread to the top.

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (lh7Yc)

560 I don't have any (silicone, that is). Does that count.
Don't ask me, ask the morons. Anything is better than this pissing contest (like: my canditate is better than yours horseshit)

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (H/MnC)

561 Shouldn't it be "Da Fizzle in Da Drizzle"?

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (fyOgS)

562 --I'd be happy if someone just bumped the football thread to the top.

Seconded.

Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (GTbGH)

563 @ 562 -- Ehrn't ya jest syick ta dyeath of hyearin' it?

Posted by: Syerah Paelehn at September 03, 2011 06:51 PM (+iwM3)

564 BYU is again putting a drive together. Whether points results is anyone guess.

Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 06:51 PM (GTbGH)

565 Palin fatigue has set in...at least for me.

Posted by: Terrye at September 03, 2011 06:52 PM (Pr8hY)

566 118
93 Seems Perry does speak to groups, and the one in NH today? didn't go over well with some attendees regarding building a border fence in Texas. Along with signing a bill allowing illegal aliens to pay in-state tuition. (Not face deportation, or pay out-of-state/country tuition)....
I always liked Michael Savages' simple definition of country : Borders. Language. Culture.
I really don't think I have ever seen one citizen suffer such scrutiny and dissection and remain as upbeat, consistent and focused as Sarah Palin.
They LSM had advertised for private citizens to go through 24,000 emails, and not a peep out of them other than one live shot where the reporter said that thus far, the emails portrayed a hard-working, engaged, diligent executive seeking to do the job for which she was elected. My guess is that of 24,000 teh One emails, half would be about golf and the rest about how long TOTUS would be toting for his articulate, bullshit sessions....
For that matter, wonder how many current pols could come out of that "scandal" with no scandal....

Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 06:52 PM (dh5Eu)

567 Whether points results is anyone guess.

Ha. Wide right.

Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 06:53 PM (GTbGH)

568 This proves she's running.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:53 PM (sykGw)

569 Posted by: Terrye at September 03, 2011 06:52 PM (Pr8hY)
Well, then go right back to Hot Air and leave your drivel there

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:54 PM (H/MnC)

570 ofgs

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 06:54 PM (h+qn8)

571 Palin sounds like a scatter-brained goober.





By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of it, but she was
caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her voice.







Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (nj1bB)
classy

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 06:59 PM (h+qn8)

572 >>I'd be happy if someone just bumped the football thread to the top.

I'd vote for that.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 03, 2011 07:00 PM (PidTa)

573 Ace, quick! Post one of those shiny "finish this thought/sentence" threads. That always distracts the morons.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:01 PM (piMMO)

574 Palin is drawing the MFM to attack her in the name of their boyfriend Barry. While the MFM is busy beating her up, the real presidential candidates can continue to pound Barry senseless without being assailed by the media. It's a classic Vice President style distraction operation.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (ijjAe)

575 Ace, quick! Post one of those shiny "finish this thought/sentence" threads.

Those are almost as bad as the Palin rants, IMHO.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 03, 2011 07:03 PM (vbh31)

576 Ace, quick! Post one of those shiny "finish this thought/sentence" threads.

A music thread. It's like catnip for us oldsters.

Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 07:04 PM (GTbGH)

577 583 Palin is drawing the MFM to attack her in the name of their boyfriend Barry. While the MFM is busy beating her up, the real presidential candidates can continue to pound Barry senseless without being assailed by the media. It's a classic Vice President style distraction operation.
-----
So, seven dimensional bus tours?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:05 PM (nRTou)

578 563
That's
it. It is a fantastic special. No politics. No bullshit. And it's very
touching to see the dedication of the workers involved at ground zero.
The museum is going to be spectacular in its portrayal of those who died
there.

I did not realize just how much the Freedom Tower itself is a tribute (outside of the height and the name) until the architects and workers discussed that.

Time Magazine and Yahoo! have also been sharing stories and photographs-- including some they've tended to ignore-- without getting too much into the politics.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 07:06 PM (o2lIv)

579 580 Palin sounds like a scatter-brained goober. By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of it, but she was caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her voice.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (nj1bB)
classy
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 06:59 PM (h+qn
Does someone have a North Eastern accent of which they are ashamed?

Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 07:06 PM (zu1Oq)

580 A music thread. It's like catnip for us oldsters.

That too.

Or, how about this?

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (piMMO)

581 So the Black Eyed Peas are going to Minot to benefit the flood victims there.

Haven't those poor North Dakotans suffered enough already?

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (lh7Yc)

582 Those are almost as bad as the Palin rants, IMHO
Yeah. I'll take Palin threads over that any day.
Really despite all of our jokes/fights and all that, the tide has really turned against Palin here, at least as far as presidential ambitions go. Only some hardcore holdouts and a few trolls.
I still think we are all "overreacting" as I don't think she will run, and in a month or so this will be really old news. But perhaps I'm wishcasting.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (dWPyO)

583 There isn't a Republican running who could have given that speech or who could persuade anybody they believe those things. Eat your heart out, frat boys.
It's brilliant strategy, as well. Palin is tapping into the zeitgeist. Corruption is the meta-theme of our time. It's why the tea party exists. And it's who Obama is and why he exists. Palin says this because she believes it, but when she talks about crony capitalism and the corrupt political class she peels herself away from the GOP herd and cuts into Obama's appeal even to old-school democrats.
Perry, Romney, et al, are the last of a dying legion. They're over. An age is over. Good riddance.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (TToTi)

584 Once again: let's invent a standard of conduct for Sarah Palin then be mad at her for not following our made up standard.

Posted by: blaster at September 03, 2011 07:08 PM (Fw2Gg)

585 We endeavor to understand your concerns and will proceed to establish a bilateral approach within the provisions set forth in the minx operating agreement and by-laws.

Please let us know.

Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 07:08 PM (975ga)

586 583
Palin is drawing the MFM to attack her in the name of their boyfriend
Barry. While the MFM is busy beating her up, the real presidential
candidates can continue to pound Barry senseless without being assailed
by the media. It's a classic Vice President style distraction operation.



Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (ijjAe)
--BINGO!This is the role for which she is most valuable, and I hope it is the one she is pursuing.

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 07:08 PM (lh7Yc)

587
Ace, quick! Post one of those shiny "finish this thought/sentence" threads.

The three words, then another three words threads?

For the love of God, no. Please, no. If you have ever cared anything for your fellow man, the internet, and the fate of this country, no.

Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 07:08 PM (tZyw2)

588 perhaps so.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:08 PM (h+qn8)

589 So the Black Eyed Peas are going to Minot to benefit the flood victims there.

Now that would make me head for the hills.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 03, 2011 07:09 PM (vbh31)

590 A music thread. It's like catnip for us oldsters.
How old though? Shall we debate Benny Goodman Vs. Tommy Dorsey?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:09 PM (dWPyO)

591 AD. come on it's fun.

Dark and Stormy..

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:09 PM (h+qn8)

592 I did not realize just how much the Freedom Tower itself is a tribute
(outside of the height and the name) until the architects and workers
discussed that.

It is a bit soothing to realize that it wasn't just a matter of selecting the tallest or prettiest design.

As for the politics, of course all that will change next weekend when Teh One starts his B.S.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:09 PM (piMMO)

593 I don't want her to run but I still get annoyed at the "all the cool kids think she's nasty so I do too and I don't even know why" thing. Make me think conservatives are as stupid as the libs.

Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (zu1Oq)

594 How old though? Shall we debate Benny Goodman Vs. Tommy Dorsey?

Ella vs. Billie

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (piMMO)

595 Eat your heart out, frat boys.
Wanna smoke a bowl brah?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (dWPyO)

596 We need to ban 3 people according to the RFP.
Please advise.

Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 07:12 PM (975ga)

597 Ella vs. Billie

Billie. Ella was a RINO.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (Qxe/p)

598 @ 592 -- Palin is tapping into the zeitgeist.

The Zeitgeist called. They to said tell her they have a headache.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (+iwM3)

599 Ella vs. Billie
Duke Ellington Vs. Count Basie?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (dWPyO)

600 AD. come on it's fun.Dark and Stormy..

LOL!

I actually agree with AD. I was just tossing out a shiny object of distraction.

The night was....

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (piMMO)

601 Sarah Palin isn't even running and you bitch bitch bitch you didn't get sent her entire campaign platform in minute detail. Waaah

I thought you had some brain power, but apparently you are just as slow as the liberal pundits. Sarah Palin is not formally declaring until she is good and ready. What's your problem with her speaking about Conservatism at a Tea Party Rally??

Here's a simple story that you can ponder about one of your boys... Rick Perry
Let's hear what you have to say about this candidte who is leading in the polls.

Riddle me this one:

http://tinyurl.com/3ont4hf

Posted by: PhilipJames at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (G9AXq)

602
Ella vs. Billie


Duke Ellington Vs. Count Basie?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (dWPyO)
Bing Crosby > Frank Sinatra

Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 07:15 PM (lh7Yc)

603 599 How old though? Shall we debate Benny Goodman Vs. Tommy Dorsey?

Al Jolson versus Eddie Cantor.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 07:16 PM (o2lIv)

604 Bing Crosby > Frank Sinatra
Blasphemy!
Leave it to a Chiefs fan to get it all wrong. Heh.
Frank Sinatra > than everybody.....yes even Sarah Palin, Hot Air fangirls.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:18 PM (dWPyO)

605 Whoever submitted the Palin hot sauce - it's too spicy for consideration.

Use more capsasin.

Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (975ga)

606 How about a music tree with all the above. A Music Madness bracket.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (piMMO)

607 Riddle me this one:http://tinyurl.com/3ont4hf
Not even news. Stupid conjectures. Let's just make stuff up.

Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (zu1Oq)

608 New thread--thank you lord!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (i3+c5)

609 Ace... I like her. I enjoyed the speech. I enjoyed the fact that she is not fawning to the MFM attention.

I'll vote for her. And I'd await, like a schoolgirl, her cabinet appointments.

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 03, 2011 07:20 PM (jeLTI)

610 There isn't a Republican running who could have given that speech or who
could persuade anybody they believe those things. Eat your heart out,
frat boys.
What? I could have given that speech.

Just copy paste from a few transcripts of Palin on Fox, and wa la

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:21 PM (8Zpuz)

611 >>>arah Palin isn't even running and you bitch bitch bitch you didn't get sent her entire campaign platform in minute detail. Waaah

She is the one who claimed she was going to give specifics unlike other politicians who speak in "vague generalities."

Of course that's typical Palin.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (nj1bB)

612 Phillip,

Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)

613 Please stand by for fun.

Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (975ga)

614 Wow, ace is still here?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 07:26 PM (21lBC)

615 Ace - because moo moos are unbecoming .

Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 07:27 PM (975ga)

616 #623
He just likes to provide sensible questions the Palin trolls will promptly ignore.
Btw, which country in Africa did you originally hail from?

Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 07:28 PM (JIB66)

617 My sister saw people with "Impeach Obama" signs
protesting outside the post office yesterday. While this part of
suburban Houston is largely conservative, protests like that don't
happen every day.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (o2lIv)
Funny, that. I was talking to a friend in New Jersey last weekend. She said she had seen a largish crowd (100 people) outside her post office recently holding the very same signs.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2011 07:28 PM (7nu1g)

618 Funny, that. I was talking to a friend in New Jersey last weekend. She
said she had seen a largish crowd (100 people) outside her post office
recently holding the very same signs.

Can you imagine all the President Barack H. Obama Memorial post offices/schools/hospitals/bridges/misc that will be built in the coming years?

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:31 PM (piMMO)

619 Al Jolson versus Eddie Cantor.

Screw those guys!

Posted by: Jimmy Durante at September 03, 2011 07:32 PM (KxADM)

620 621
Phillip,



Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?

Can't believe Ace is peddling this bullshit. I haven't seen it cited anywhere that she asked for those clothes.

Eat our own if you must, but don't peddle MSM trash from 2008.

Posted by: Jose at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (WTNJJ)

621 I just consider it manipulative, and I don't just laugh it off as playing a prank on the stupid media.

Me too. Honestly, I'm tired of her. She should either announce she's running, or announce she's not.

All she's doing is distracting from the candidates who have the guts to declare.

As they say in the old country, "She's too clever by half".


Posted by: Just Wondering at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (p+8if)

622 @ 623 I find ace's rebuttals are always on target, but being busy and stuff he has the internet reaction time of a dead cow

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (8Zpuz)

623 I'm tired of her schtick. If she would just get real and say, no, I'm not gonna run, but every time you screw up I am gonna jump outta the bushes and smack you in the head, I'd be great with that. But all this game-y shit is gettin' on my nerves.

Time for President Perry.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 07:34 PM (/ybwc)

624 Me too. Honestly, I'm tired of her. She should either announce she's running, or announce she's not.

In the '08 election I bought into the media line that she was a complete flake, mostly on account of the Couric interview (too bad the truth couldn't come out then...). Afterwards I realized she wasn't, but it really does seem by now that she's just making money off politics. Kind of like a much, much smarter Christine O'Donnell.

It's kind of sad because reading her book convinced me that she was a common-sense, hard-working person who got Americans better than anybody else. I can sympathize with that. But somewhere along the line I guess she decided she just needed to pay the bills. I can sympathize with that too. It's hard when the left puts you on their hitlist.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (8Zpuz)

625 >>>Eat our own if you must, but don't peddle MSM trash from 2008.

Just because it makes your superhero saint look bad doesn't mean it's not true.

I mean, I know that's the logic Palinistas often operate upon ("bad facts = lies"), but that sort of falls apart when you have to engage reality.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (hIWe1)

626 i meant to italicize that

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:39 PM (8Zpuz)

627 Just because it makes your superhero saint look bad doesn't mean it's not true.I
mean, I know that's the logic Palinistas often operate upon ("bad facts
= lies"), but that sort of falls apart when you have to engage reality.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (hIWe1)
Weren't those clothes auctioned off afterwards? I had the impression the McCain campaign was at fault.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:40 PM (8Zpuz)

628 509
Let's see if Obama rebuts her zero corporate tax proposal. Then if he does,she dragged him into the VORTEX! Muahhhhaaaaa!!!

Palin has his number, he can't resist responding to her goading. He's a narcissistic SCoaMF. And she exposes it in a way that no one else can or will. And, she signs glocks. LOL
That she costs the dems millions of his war chest is good enough for me for now. She is laying the groundwork, setting the bar, supplying the fodder, framing the issues and doing all the grunt work will pay off for someone. Pray it ain't Mittens.

Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 07:41 PM (dh5Eu)

629 The clothes, ace? Really? At least you're dropping the pretense of objecf*ckingtivity.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 07:42 PM (5I0Yr)

630 apparently Palin asked for tens of thousands of dollars in clothes, it's a Known FactTM

Posted by: Jose at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (WTNJJ)

631 So Perry declared at the absolute f*cking last possible minute that a person could legitimately declare? Is that correct?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (5I0Yr)

632 We have some information AoS might want.

Posted by: Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace at September 03, 2011 07:45 PM (WTNJJ)

633 I mean, look at how the candidates whither amongst their own, if the nominee cant stand up and expose and provide outlines in a primary, how are they going to fare against the most racist, corrupt, scorched earth campaign teh gOlfer is going to fling? Palin is good for the race, whether she runs or not. If you can't see that you're a moron. <pun intended for all you thin-skinned, articulate, lax 'rons/ettes>

Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (dh5Eu)

634 ..."all the cool kids think she's nasty so I do too and I don't even know why" thing. Make me think conservatives are as stupid as the libs.
Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (zu1Oq)
That's almost exactly what Breitbart said. It'sthe bandwagon bullshit.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (hfrm2)

635 She is the one who claimed she was going to give specifics unlike other politicians who speak in "vague generalities." Of course that's typical Palin.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (nj1bB)
Post where she said that, Ace.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (hfrm2)

636 It'sthe bandwagon bullshit.
I hate Starbucks!

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:47 PM (piMMO)

637 So Perry declared at the absolute f*cking last possible minute that a person could legitimately declare? Is that correct?
No. Someone could still declare by late October and be just fine. But they won't. Ryan has already said no. The field is what it is, at least on our side. I can still see some Dem challenges to the SCofMF, however. Particularly if he keeps up the great work he's shown the past week.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 07:47 PM (/ybwc)

638 >>>Weren't those clothes auctioned off afterwards? I had the impression the McCain campaign was at fault.

Actually, I don't know. If that's the case, then I suppose it's not really a problem in terms of unjust enrichment. Lord knows there are enough legit hits to land on Palin that I shouldn't waste my time on unfair ones.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:48 PM (hIWe1)

639 Post where she said that, Ace.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (hfrm2)
Read the post at the top.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (8Zpuz)

640 ace,

Do you not think Perry will need Palin supporters behind him to win, if he gets the nomination?

You really need to rethink your strategy.

Of course, right now above me are 615 comments, so probably you won't even see this.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (Fo83G)

641 640 So Perry declared at the absolute f*cking last possible minute that a person could legitimately declare? Is that correct?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (5I0Yr)
Not really but essentially. Declaring now pretty much puts you into Fred Thompson territory of declaring. In the past now would be a more traditional time for candidates to declare (at least that was Thompson's claim.) But now its more like the time where any that want to run are at the edge of the perceived deadline.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (GULKT)

642 Actually, I don't know. If that's the case, then I suppose it's not
really a problem in terms of unjust enrichment. Lord knows there are
enough legit hits to land on Palin that I shouldn't waste my time on
unfair ones.

I remember that they were donated. Maybe auctioned, but either way she didn't keep them. Hell, I haven't seen her dress in suits such as those since the campaign.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 07:50 PM (piMMO)

643 Palin probably will declare because she's trapped; can't go forward, can't go back.

She has made absolutely ZERO progress in rehabilitating her reputation (btw, I told you she had to do this; you say nyah-nyah, no she doesn't, we'll see who's smart), has NO chance of winning anything, but now her future relevance and livelihood relies on pleasing the 5% of the country supporting her for president.

I think she'll have to declare just to satisfy that sort of promise she's made. She'll be clobbered.

Meantime, we can expect a lot of dirty knife-in-the-backs from her supporters, who cannot accept that POLLS ARE SORT OF ACCURATE and will resort to scorched earth tactics to avoid confronting that reality.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (nj1bB)

644 Do you not think Perry will need Palin supporters behind him to win, if he gets the nomination? You really need to rethink your strategy.

Unbelievable. Truly. You would let Obama win because someone hurt your feelings over Palin? Really?

No words.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (Jvdxe)

645 steph, she actually did say something about specifics and not generalities..
then she went on to her 5 points list.
which were ok to me, but i'm not really experienced at these type of speeches

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (h+qn8)

646 Stateless Infidel@504,

Bingo. Bring on the DOOM. The paradigm shift needed to revert to first principles would need to be Krakatoic. IOW, it isn't happening given what we've seen so far. The whole structure is compromised and no savior will ever exist to change it. The People will need to choose, and history proves The People inevitably choose poorly. Repeatedly. We have (had?) a Republic, but we aren't keeping it. It erodes in fits and starts, but it erodes nonetheless.

We'll be rid of SCoaMF. Then what? Generations of sustained castration of the Federal behemoth and then the continued diminution of the State one? Not happening.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (r4t7/)

647 Actually, I don't know. If that's the case, then I
suppose it's not really a problem in terms of unjust enrichment. Lord
knows there are enough legit hits to land on Palin that I shouldn't
waste my time on unfair ones.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:48 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah I just looked it up. AP article wholecopied on HuffPo says the RNC either recovered the clothes, had them returned to stores, or had them auctioned for charity.
This URL tool is a load of crap but the link is findable through wiki.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (8Zpuz)

648 They're over. An age is over.

Nothing is over until I've raped and murdered it.

Posted by: Rick Fuckin Perry at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (GTbGH)

649
653

Thanks, Slu. Needs to be said, loudly and often.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (/ybwc)

650 Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)

The shark....you jumped it.

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 07:55 PM (X6akg)

651 Phillip, Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, you're fucking losing it.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:56 PM (hfrm2)

652 ace, you have a great gift with the pen. This isn't one of your finer posts but it was ok. but slamming down in the comments was just wrong, people will eventually see that she doesn't have the support she needs, we need them to back perry or whomever.
save the mean boy stuff for The Dems that deserve this.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:57 PM (h+qn8)

653 jeezus

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (h+qn8)

654 " When Excel came along, no one lost their jobs, they just produced more and better profitability analyses. Same thing with the accountants and lawyers this will affect. They can just do something else."

When lotus 1-2-3 came along the people at visicalc lost their jobs. But that's ancient history and besides the point but just saying...because I don't waste time watching political speeches so I don't have anything relevent to say about people being pwnd by palin... well except I hope she becomes president because it will decrease immigration in the US through emmigration and head explosions.

Posted by: dliu6ytg9fgk at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (/freL)

655 All she's doing is distracting from the candidates who have the guts to declare.As they say in the old country, "She's too clever by half".
Posted by: Just Wondering at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (p+8if)
What? They aren't strong enough to stand on their own?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (hfrm2)

656 "the fizzle in the drizzle"

yup... if only she followed in T-Paw's strategic footprints :-)

Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (mLzys)

657 Slublog, no, I wouldn't. I am a veteran of the 2000 campaign on Free Republic against Bush. I will vote for whoever the nominee is. For God's sake, I voted for McCain.

However, the longer the hatefest goes on against any potential nominee, the more resentful that nominee's people are in the general election. The Palinistas (of which I am not one as I also like Herman Cain, Perry, and even, on off days, Romney) are an able group of self starters. They are the grass roots people you need for door-knocking, calling, mailing, etc.

There is no reason to insult them and drive them away. We are going to need all hands on board to defeat Obama. Deliberately attacking these people is counter-productive to what I assumed our goal is, getting Obama out.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (Fo83G)

658 Sigh.

I've really liked Palin. I still do. She's got a ton of loyal supporters willing to work hard for her. I just suddenly feel like she's toying with all of that support, especially after this speech, if what Ace writes is a good grasp of it. I'll admit that I didn't listen, though.


Posted by: Darcy at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (DeYNS)

659 slub, not I. but really this shit is just mena

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (h+qn8)

660 Unbelievable. Truly. You would let Obama win because someone hurt your feelings over Palin? Really?No words.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (Jvdxe)
Country First bitches

Posted by: True Conservative at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (8Zpuz)

661 T-Paw was your guy, right Ace?

Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 08:00 PM (mLzys)

662 I should probably just stfu, but since when is Ace held to a higher standard than anyone else in the room? He's entitled to spout off, perhaps more entitled than any of us. You think this is easy, what he does? Why, then, are we not on your blog right now, instead of this one?

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 08:00 PM (/ybwc)

663 I love Palin, but I would vote for a puddle of loose steaming shit over scoamf. Maybe even Huckabee. I'm not worried about what some other candidate's supporters say along the way.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:00 PM (5I0Yr)

664 649 ace,Do you not think Perry will need Palin supporters behind him to win, if he gets the nomination?You really need to rethink your strategy.Of course, right now above me are 615 comments, so probably you won't even see this.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (Fo83G)
That's kind of a silly question actually. I mean before getting nomination I don't think he needs their support, but for the primaries they might be the difference between him walking away and it being a battle, potentially a 3 way battle.
After getting the nomination its kind of a moot point. If they are really that enthusiastic about Palin then they are likely to support her in ways similar to the 2010 elections, and they did that by getting behind the candidates she supported. And Palin is not Ron Paul and she will endorse the GOP nominee

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:01 PM (GULKT)

665 Republicans would rather fight each other than leftists. This thread is just exhibits QQX834 through QQY485.

The ONLY way for the Dems to take 2012 is for the right to sufficiently alienate each other.

And I don't normally play the equivocation game but just like in Delaware in 2010 *both* sides of this are trying to *drive off the impure*, for different reasons. Or, well, the same *root* reason, y'all are the stupid party, after all.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 03, 2011 08:01 PM (bxiXv)

666 What? They aren't strong enough to stand on their own?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (hfrm2)
Just cause Rick Perry shrugs off bromides like a Viking beserker shrugs arrows doesn't mean that slinging them is a good thing. That's pretty obvious yo

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:02 PM (8Zpuz)

667 Peaches, hell He's smarter than most in the room, He leads people through the wasteland that is politics, He does a great job at it. Doesn't mean He couldn't slide back a little and help grasp some back, He thinks about what moderates need, why not have some knowledge of what Palins fans are after and focus it back on Perry

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:03 PM (h+qn8)

668 And Palin is not Ron Paul and she will endorse the GOP nominee

Yup. I think we can take that to the bank. And, if she's true to form, she will support whoever it is with great enthusiasm and vigor. God bless her.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (/ybwc)

669 Palin then they are likely to support her in ways
similar to the 2010 elections, and they did that by getting behind the
candidates she supported. And Palin is not Ron Paul and she will
endorse the GOP nominee

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:01 PM (GULKT)
Yeah I think that is how it will happen too.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (h+qn8)

670 I am posting this in bold so that it is noticed.I do not have a candidate. I am fine with Perry or Cain or even Romney. I want whoever can beat Obama, which I assume will be decided by the GOP primary voters.I do NOT advocate not voting for the GOP nominee if it isn't Palin. That is slub's interpretation of what I said.I just think this hatred and insulting is not good because it looks like Palin supporters aren't wanted, and some of these people are not experienced in politics, and they will get discouraged. We need their grass roots efforts and enthusiasm come the general.Thank you.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (Fo83G)

671 I think I also agree that it's pretty cheap to continue to distract from the candidates who had the courage to throw their hats in, as Just Wondering said.

Enough.

Posted by: Darcy at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (DeYNS)

672 ace: "By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of
it, but she was caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her
voice."
Well that tears it. Off with her head!

You gotta be shitting me? I'm going to nit-pick Perry since he's your flavor du jour, but he's kind of a slow-talkin', twangy dude. IOW, he's no silky rhetoritician himself.

Seriously, are you punking us here? Or is this some sort of tangible argument you're throwing in because, well, you feel the need to tack on a pointless feather to the bricks you're throwing?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (r4t7/)

673 And i would add Palin should probably talk to Her suppoters about slamming other candidates,
someone said in here she went after Perry?
I didn't see a definate post about it, but if so she needs to encourage them not to be as strident. hell we need every body possible to win against all the dead vo5tes, and who knows perhaps illegals legal votes this election

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:06 PM (h+qn8)

674 Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (Fo83G)

Good to hear. Still, if there are those who would sit this out or not help the GOP win over personal feelings, they have a major lack of perspective.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 08:08 PM (Jvdxe)

675 I should probably just stfu, but since when is Ace held to a higher
standard than anyone else in the room? He's entitled to spout off,
perhaps more entitled than any of us. You think this is easy, what he
does? Why, then, are we not on your blog right now, instead of this
one?

Damn skippy! I couldn't do what he does. Don't want to either.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 08:09 PM (piMMO)

676 >>>The shark....you jumped it.

How about the C4P brigade stops posting crap from the san francisco chrnonicle in the guise of "vetting Perry"?

If we're going to vet perry, how about we vet Palin?

Why did she quit? Why have so many people who worked with her dribbled out "diva" charges? Is that just that they are "jealous" of her?

Now that the media is in full-court press against perry, what happened to "They'll tell us who they fear," the dumb Limbaugh quote he used to appease Palinistas? Now that it's clear "They" fear Perry, not Palin, why don't palin's fans get on the bus, since obviously if "They" fear Perry, that's who we should go with?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:10 PM (nj1bB)

677 It seems as if this thread now has found its second wind.


eek

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 08:10 PM (piMMO)

678 He thinks about what moderates need, why not have some knowledge of what Palins fans are after and focus it back on Perry



Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:03 PM (h+qn
Those damn moderates. I was talking to my friend the other day about Perry. He gets his news through the Colbert Report and CNN.
Me: Perry's looking pretty good about now.Him: [instantly launching into derisive laughter] Ohh, Perry. Here you go about Perry.Me: You don't like Perry?Him: I wouldn't vote for him over Obama.Of course that is retarded so I attempted to talk to him about Perry's record. Then this happened.Me: So why would you vote for a president who's taking us into a double-dip recessionHim: You can say anything I want, I won't vote for Perry. I have a gut feeling about him.
Me: WTFlesson learned: moderates are stupid as hell about politics

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (8Zpuz)

679 >>>T-Paw was your guy, right Ace?

Was, yeah, and when I saw he wasn't cutting the mustard, I dropped him.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (nj1bB)

680 What happened to "They'll tell you who they fear"?

I guess that's out, huh?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (nj1bB)

681 Syphilitic Camel Rule

Posted by: Goatweed at September 03, 2011 08:13 PM (1ZjA0)

682 Or is this some sort of tangible argument you're
throwing in because, well, you feel the need to tack on a pointless
feather to the bricks you're throwing?


Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (r4t7/)
Are you really surprised about the tacking on of feathers? You are replying to Ace.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:14 PM (8Zpuz)

683 Yoshi, you're right of course, because they usually aren't politically motivated unless a candidates words draw them in,(pot anyone) filtered by our awesome media of course.

sigh.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:15 PM (h+qn8)

684 Wow, I guess I didn't watch the same speech.I thought she was good. She has good ideas and she put them out there. Why so much hate? I really just don't get it. I think it'ssad, she hasn't done anything wrong, she's on our side, but yet look at all the in fighting. Really makes me sick.

Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 08:15 PM (hyUyU)

685 688 >>>T-Paw was your guy, right Ace? Was, yeah, and when I saw he wasn't cutting the mustard, I dropped him.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (nj1bB)
And if Perry does as well I assume you'll drop him too?
I mean based on his previous debate performances that's about a 1 in a million chance, but if he ends up being at Pawlenty's level of debate skill that would be a souring note for him wouldn't it?

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:16 PM (GULKT)

686 >>> should probably just stfu, but since when is Ace held to a higher standard than anyone else in the room? He's entitled to spout off, perhaps more entitled than any of us. You think this is easy, what he does? Why, then, are we not on your blog right now, instead of this one?

Peaches, thank you, but it's fair if people give me push-back.

That said, people say I've "jumped the shark" if I drop a charge on Palin, and no one seems to notice that C4P4Ever PhilipJames is routinely posting media hits on Perry.

Like I said: If it's important to vet Perry, how about vetting Palin?

Because I do wonder why so many people have such a bad opinion of her.

Earlier we blew that off as "liberal RINOs looking to tank her," but I don't believe that. I think political professionals are hired guns, mercenaries. I don't think they give a shit what your politics are, either way.

So if a lot of people who worked with Palin say she's bad news, should we note that?

After all, we have to vet candidates.

Palin is playing a game where she's in some kind of Pretend Presidential Primary, where I guess she's both in (as far as getting support) but NOT in (as far as this "vetting").

Well, in or out. Since her people are dealing in nonstop attacks, she's also fair game.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:17 PM (nj1bB)

687 Ace, you're acting as if you actually expect the Palinistas to show some consistency. Did you not pay attention to the extent they were willing to shit all over Bachmann because she posed a perceived threat to their noncandidate?

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:18 PM (TUax9)

688 who is it that runs c4p again?

maybe we should write Palin a memo about the bad will being formented?

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:19 PM (h+qn8)

689 Pawlenty was too vanilla. He had a fantastic technical team though. His website and video operations were the best I've seen out of any of the GOP candidates so far.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:19 PM (nRTou)

690 forget it i'll look it up.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:20 PM (h+qn8)

691 Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:15 PM (h+qn

Yeah, that's why Obama drew 'em in. I imagine it felt good to vote for Obama. Supporting the "articulate" "intellectual" who's never touched so much as a non-Ivy syllabus after he graduated high school.

The other irritating thing about moderates is that a lot of them carefully cultivate the "above-it-all" image like a preening peacock. I get the impression a lot of em think discussing politics is a way to inflate their egos via the time-honored crapping on everyone else style.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:20 PM (8Zpuz)

692 Hey, folks. Titanic just now on E channel. You don't want to miss that.

Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 08:21 PM (piMMO)

693 @698 Agreed. Are they guys behind his tech stuff signed on with anyone else yet?

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:21 PM (TUax9)

694 The media can fear two people. I just happen to be waiting before I jump on the Perry bandwagon (as my automatic #2) because I actually want to know stuff about him other than "sweet hair" and "wow that ace sure seems to like him" and "gee, his supporters are kinda testy about his record".

And by "know stuff", I mean see how he handles being in the spotlight, debates, etc. He strikes an insincere chord with me. Not like Huckaf*ck, of course. Hell, I might even end up liking the guy. I would already crawl over broken glass to vote for him over Jugears.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:21 PM (5I0Yr)

695 >>>And if Perry does as well I assume you'll drop him too?

>>>I mean based on his previous debate performances that's about a 1 in a million chance, but if he ends up being at Pawlenty's level of debate skill that would be a souring note for him wouldn't it?

Yup. If he's a loser, he's out.

Or a corrupt crony capitalist.

Or gay.

I don't expect that to be the case.

Listen to his interview on Mark Levin. Comes off well.

He doesn't come off *dumb.* I don't know what's going on in the party that some seem to act as if coming off a little dumb is somehow "authentic" a d "sells well, because it tells people you're one of them" but this belief is not widely shared outside a certain populist segment of the conservative branch of the party.

People want someone that comes off in-command and on top of things. Everyone falters and has a Dummy Moment or two, but the idea that intelligence is somehow corrupting or inauthentic is... bizarre.

Perry doesn't sound like a genius, but, to me at least, he sounds smart, and vaguely stumbles mid-sentence.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (nj1bB)

696 I like her a lot, but I don't want her to Sharron Angle this election.

Posted by: the boobie watcher at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (S/Ars)

697 698
Pawlenty was too vanilla. He had a fantastic technical team though.
His website and video operations were the best I've seen out of any of
the GOP candidates so far.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:19 PM (nRTou)
I guess, but he could have used a better scriptwriter. The Lord of the Rings glory charge vibe was coming too close to self-parody.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (8Zpuz)

698 >>>Wow, I guess I didn't watch the same speech. I thought she was good. She has good ideas and she put them out there. Why so much hate?

If it were not hyped as a big speech, instead being just a run-of-the-mill speech, it would have been okay. It was okay as a run-of-the-mill stump speech. People give these empty speeches every day. That's 90% of what politics is.

The problem comes when it's promoted as a major thing.

With that as the context, it was a bad speech.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:23 PM (nj1bB)

699 702 @698 Agreed. Are they guys behind his tech stuff signed on with anyone else yet?

I haven't heard anything yet. It's definitely not Perry, because his operation is atrocious right now. Unfortunately.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:24 PM (nRTou)

700 We're so glad to hear that so many of you will crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama.

That really takes the pressure off us and lets us focus on the practical matters, like courting the moderates and left-leaning types!

You'll understand, then, when we have to move more and more to the "center" (meaning left, really, *wink*)

Thanks! That's a real weight off our shoulders.

Phew!

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 08:24 PM (uaEZS)

701 705
I like her a lot, but I don't want her to Sharron Angle this election.


Posted by: the boobie watcher at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (S/Ars)
now that was a scary candidate

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:25 PM (8Zpuz)

702 yookay, Ace I guess i owe you an apology, I see c4 palin is ripping Perry quite heartily.

i apologise but with a rejoinder.
I still believe you are a better writer and actually a gifted writer and needn't join the bad karma club,

karma because i'm fatigued and cannot think of the correct term.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:25 PM (h+qn8)

703 HA headlines: "Once she gets in, she becomes like every other candidate."


That explains some.

Posted by: the boobie watcher at September 03, 2011 08:26 PM (S/Ars)

704 @708

Yeah Perry's team need to step their game up. I signed up to volunteer a couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten any emails besides generic fundraising ones.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:26 PM (TUax9)

705 I was there and she was great in her defense of the Tea Party!
Her 0 corporate tax pledge was backed up by ending corporate subsidies, loopholes and BAILOUTS!
That is pretty damn specific, more specific than we get from the unvetted candidates to date.
She outlined a plan of her own today because she's not running?
Please, buy a clue, borrow a clue or phone a friend for a clue, she threw down the gantlet, today, taking on corporate cronyism and two party theft of taxpayers funds to enrich the two party game players and thieves.
Sarah knows full well she won't have the big corporate money she even said she never has but what she has is an army in waiting.
Waiting while the others wet and vet and disqualify themselves and after the unserious are weeded out and they have shared the slings and arrows of the muther ef n media she will step in and offer up herself as an option with an opinion. As I said to ABC news in an interview, I didn't go there expecting Sarah toi announce and in her I trust. When she does I and hundreds of others will go to work for our only hope to reform the corrutocrat cesspool American politics has become.
This is America still home of the free market and the free market will decide who will be the one to guide our future, there is room in that decision for Sarah.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 08:26 PM (tHnoW)

706 >>>And by "know stuff", I mean see how he handles being in the spotlight, debates, etc. He strikes an insincere chord with me.

Insincere? I didn't get that. But then, none of these people are from my cultural segment in the first place. People like me don't get a choice of several candidates vying to represent them as a cultural exemplar, so to me, they're all the same in that respect. I can't parse out different shades of cultural authenticity.

Honestly, they're all politicians to me. I don't really expect them to be exemplars. They have two jobs, get elected, and then govern in a way that doesn't want to make me impeach them.

I guess I'm not expecting to fall in love.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:27 PM (nj1bB)

707 Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 08:24 PM (uaEZS)
Not my fault, dude. That's what happens when you get one party trying to transform us into Eastern Europe by 2018, and not doing too bad a job at it. Bring on the glass.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:28 PM (5I0Yr)

708 >>>Her 0 corporate tax pledge was backed up by ending corporate subsidies, loopholes and BAILOUTS!

If corporate tax is zero you can't make it revenue neutral by eliminating corporate tax loopholes, since there is no more corporate tax. It's the ultimate loophole.

Yes, that is vague, dumb stuff. "Bailouts" are exceptional, and there are no bailouts sceduled in the ten year budgets, so eliminating the bailouts that are not planned to happen again does not make up for lost revenue.

She sold these "ideas" as "paying for" the cut in corporate taxes, which they can't do.

So yes, more sort of bullshitty vagueness.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:29 PM (nj1bB)

709 Every day, we count our lucky stars that a bunch of hapless rubes threw their support behind Christine O'Donnell and she got her ass handed to her in the general. That really freed us up to ignore those blithering idiots in the lead-up to the 2012 cycle.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 08:29 PM (+iwM3)

710 #683 Yes, they probably have a lack of perspective. Just like about 50% of the voting population. In my lifetime I have met people who voted for Clinton because of his hair, someone who voted against Bush-Cheney because she thought Cheney had an ugly mouth, a person who voted against Dole because he was a cripple, etc.

The American voting public is not made up of geniuses. But they vote.

So, you try to win friends without unnecessarily pissing people off. Because my vote, and your vote, are balanced by votes of people who don't have perspective. Where do you think Obama got all of his supporters?

Converts. It's about converts in politics. You cannot get the votes you need by calling a large chunk of your party idiots. It's just common sense.


Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 08:30 PM (Fo83G)

711 >>>Perry doesn't sound like a genius, but, to me at least, he sounds smart, and vaguely stumbles mid-sentence.


I meant RARELY stumbles mid-sentence.

How that came out "vaguely" I have no idea.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:31 PM (nj1bB)

712 Yeah Perry's team need to step their game up. I signed up to volunteer a couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten any emails besides generic fundraising ones.

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I'm not willing to give Perry the "benefit of the doubt" on it either. He knew for more than a month he was getting in and his website went live during his press conference announcement. It's just been a poor operation so far. I hope they fix it fast.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:31 PM (nRTou)

713 >>>Converts. It's about converts in politics. You cannot get the votes you need by calling a large chunk of your party idiots. It's just common sense.

With all due respect, the Respect Train has both a forward and reverse setting. It can run both ways.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (nj1bB)

714 "Not my fault, dude. That's what happens when you get one party trying to
transform us into Eastern Europe by 2018, and not doing too bad a job
at it. Bring on the glass."
No, no, you misunderstand: we LOVE you, and all voters like you.

Because we don't have to do anything to earn your vote. We know you'll be there when we need you. Thanks!

One last thing, though; could you work a little harder on getting those backward social con rubes to STFU and stop making us look bad? This is way too important an election for us to have to worry about their concerns. Let 'em take it up with God. Just tell to go away until election day.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (uaEZS)

715 Sorry ace, I don't agree, I didn't think it was a run of the mill stump speech, I thought she had some really good ideas, ideas I haven't heard from other people, ideas I happen to agree with. I wasn't expecting any major announcements today because she said there wouldn't be, so I wasn't disappointed. I guess I just don't understand why you are so willing to look the other way in regard to some of the things Perry has done. I'm not stupid, I do understand the need to win, and having someone electable, and I understand that you think Perry is that person. But aren't you concerned at all by some of the decisions he has made?

Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (hyUyU)

716 I guess I'm not expecting to fall in love.

I don't want to fall in love. I want to be solid in the the idea that I'm not about to elect a person who is going to run conservative and then govern as either Lib Lite or Actual Lib under the "conservative" banner - and then hand the country back to the hyenas in four or eight years. I'm trying to imagine that you weren't being condescending there, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:33 PM (5I0Yr)

717 Re: Perry's website

I suppose I can carry your complaints to them, if that won't get me into shit for being "on the team."

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:33 PM (nj1bB)

718 So ace, would you say that Perry stumbles on vaguer occasions than you do?

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:33 PM (GULKT)

719 If corporate tax is zero you can't make it revenue
neutral by eliminating corporate tax loopholes, since there is no more
corporate tax. It's the ultimate loophole.

Good point.

Besides that, cutting "waste, fraud, and inefficiencies" is exactly the same line Obama used about entitlements...or in other words, Prepared Non Answer 47. Not a good look.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:34 PM (8Zpuz)

720 No, no, you misunderstand: we LOVE you, and all voters like you.
Right. So I'll make idle threats to stay home against Obama, or maybe I'll actually stay home against Obama. Great. We win.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (5I0Yr)

721 I suppose I can carry your complaints to them, if that won't get me into shit for being "on the team."
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It's not just the website, it's the whole technical operation. Website, email blasts, online fundraising campaigns, youtube videos, twitter, etc.

Compare Perry to Pawlenty and it's not even close. He should snatch up all those guys.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (nRTou)

722 >>>Sorry ace, I don't agree, I didn't think it was a run of the mill stump speech, I thought she had some really good ideas, ideas I haven't heard from other people, ideas I happen to agree with.

smalltowngirl, I would respectfully submit then that you are only listening to Palin, because she gave a bad version of Perry's stump speech. He's in favor of all the "new ideas" you said you heard, except for lowering the corporate tax rate to zero percent -- he spoke of that but I do not believe he specified "zero percent" as his plan. I think he left it at "lower it."

I honestly don't know why you haven't heard these ideas before -- most declared candidates speak of them. Perry obviously has been pushing the 10th amendment like no one else, Bachmann Pawlenty and Perry all talk about entitlement reform, everyone is against bailouts and etc.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (nj1bB)

723 Ace, you're a good guy. I feel bad for you.

Posted by: Rae4palin at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (G4RRM)

724 "Every day, we count our lucky stars that a bunch of hapless rubes threw
their support behind Christine O'Donnell and she got her ass handed to
her in the general. That really freed us up to ignore those blithering
idiots in the lead-up to the 2012 cycle."

Hey, I helped, too! Don't forget! Remember how I trashed her throughout the election season, starting on the night she won the primary? That was some of my best work! I'm the Architect!

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 03, 2011 08:36 PM (uaEZS)

725 Oh, also... campaign store. Are you telling me I have to go to freakin' Cafepress to find a Perry 2012 bumper sticker?

Totally unacceptable.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:36 PM (nRTou)

726 Because we don't have to do anything to earn your vote. We know you'll be there when we need you. Thanks!

So Perry is a priori in the tank for the OMG ESTABLISHMENT now?
One
last thing, though; could you work a little harder on getting those
backward social con rubes to STFU and stop making us look bad? This is
way too important an election for us to have to worry about their
concerns. Let 'em take it up with God. Just tell to go away until
election day.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (uaEZS)
Socons outside of abortion should shut the hell up.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:36 PM (8Zpuz)

727 >>> could you work a little harder on getting those backward social con rubes to STFU and stop making us look bad? This is way too important an election for us to have to worry about their concerns. Let 'em take it up with God. Just tell to go away until election day.

If that is what this is about, then say so, instead of bearing false witness and claiming you love candidates for other reasons, like as far as fiscal policy.

Be a man and admit your priorities.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:37 PM (nj1bB)

728 Converts. It's about converts in politics. You cannot get the votes
you need by calling a large chunk of your party idiots. It's just
common sense.

I understand and agree. My problem is that in their treatment of candidates who are not-Palin, her hardcore supporters are not playing by the rules they expect us to follow regarding their chosen candidate. Visit C4P and see what they're saying about the other candidates. It's pretty amazing.

I have no interest in gratuitously insulting the supporters of another candidate, or their chosen candidate. I do have a problem, however, with the fact that those currently engaged in such behavior seem less interested in maintaining party unity than in building up Palin.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 08:38 PM (Jvdxe)

729 "Right. So I'll make idle threats to stay home against Obama, or maybe I'll actually stay home against Obama. Great. We win."

I just don't see the wisdom in announcing, over and over, as some insist on doing, that they'll be there to pull the lever for the GOP NO MATTER WHAT!

I admit it: I'd rather they worry about it and work for it.

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:38 PM (uaEZS)

730 But seriously, though: Ever since those idiots who insisted O'Donnell was the way to go, and Sarah Palin gave her the seal of approval, we really haven't had to concern ourselves with them. They've essentially shown themselves to be a bunch of mindless dolts, so half the job was already done for us last November. From now on, all we have to say is, "Palin. Palin. Hmmm. Oh yeah! She's the one who gave us Christine O'Donnell, right? Yeah, she's awesome."

Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 08:38 PM (+iwM3)

731 If corporate tax is zero you can't make it revenue neutral by
eliminating corporate tax loopholes, since there is no more corporate
tax. It's the ultimate loophole.

Did ya miss the corporate subsidies part or are you intentionally being disingenuous?
The fact is jobs have been driven out of this country by levying one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world on businesses, higher than Cuba and China.
Bring the Corporations back, the jobs back and the revenues follow from new employment, a million new jobs that should have never bin driven away. Trump would agree.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 08:39 PM (tHnoW)

732 Johnny (John E.)

I remember during 08 elections I couldn't get a McCain sign.
totally not helpful.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:39 PM (h+qn8)

733 Guys, I'm making some general snarky comments, not attacking Perry or "hiding" my priorities.

Get a grip.

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:40 PM (uaEZS)

734 Speaking of C4P, their subhead is "Just the Facts" which ranks pretty high on the unintentionally hilarious scale.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:41 PM (TUax9)

735 I just don't see the wisdom in announcing, over and over, as some insist
on doing, that they'll be there to pull the lever for the GOP NO MATTER
WHAT!

I agree when it comes to my Representative or Senator, but not Obama. Any of the current crop of candidates would make a better president. He needs to be out of that office as soon as we can get him out of there.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (Jvdxe)

736 I remember during 08 elections I couldn't get a McCain sign.
totally not helpful.
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I had to go nuclear and threaten to support Crist to get two Rubio stickers sent to me after repeatedly requesting them. They spend all this money on campaigning and here I am offering to put free advertising on both my cars if they just send me them (I would have bought them if I could have) and they ignore you.

It's so frustrating. They overlook some of the simplest things.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (nRTou)

737 >>>Did ya miss the corporate subsidies part or are you intentionally being disingenuous?


Corporate subsidies mean favorable tax treatment, or are you just basically unaware of how things work?

"Ethanol subsidies," for example, come in the form of a reduced tax on ethanol profits.

With zero corporate tax rates, there's really not a lot of the classic subsidization by preferential tax treatment you can achieve.

There are relatively few direct cash transfers to corporations, you know.

But if you want to believe this was a "specific" area of the speech, fine.

You know, Perry gives a very sketchy, basic-principles sort of speech, too. He just doesn't claim you need to get out your slide-rule because he's about to drop some DETAILED MATH on yo' ass.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (nj1bB)

738 I just don't see the wisdom in announcing, over and over, as some
insist on doing, that they'll be there to pull the lever for the GOP NO
MATTER WHAT!I admit it: I'd rather they worry about it and work for it.

I understand the establishment is the enemy... you really don't have to convince me. They are not worried about comment #700 on the 80th Palin thread this week. They're not.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (5I0Yr)

739 I had to go nuclear and threaten to support Crist to get two Rubio stickers sent to me after repeatedly requesting them.

Heh. I sent him some money, from Maine, and got a sticker. Two, actually.

So if you're wondering where they went, sorry about that...

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 08:43 PM (Jvdxe)

740 Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:40 PM (uaEZS)

your snark kind of sucked tbh

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (8Zpuz)

741 >>> those currently engaged in such behavior seem less interested in maintaining party unity than in building up Palin.

I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin.

They're not.

They're tearing down others.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)

742 "your snark kind of sucked tbh"

So? It was better than you deserved. You should thank me.

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:45 PM (uaEZS)

743 You know what's great about Karl Rove? He feels the same way about Palin that he does about O'Donnell. You know that "thin skin" thing he's talking about? Yeah, that's not going to go away anytime soon. So, not only do we not have to worry about taking Palin seriously as a candidate, we've got someone out there who's willing to peel the scab off that thin skin now and then just to provoke her into a slap fight. And when you consider that the majority of are Republicans already already tired of her act, it won't take a whole lot of work on Rove's part to do her in completely."

Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 08:46 PM (+iwM3)

744 Heh. I sent him some money, from Maine, and got a sticker.  Two, actually.

So if you're wondering where they went, sorry about that...
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Send them here for '16. Oh wait....

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:46 PM (nRTou)

745 @750

Bingo. Their logic seems to be something along the lines of "if we can increase the negatives of all the other candidates to the level of Palin's then maybe people will support her, because she's the least shitty." I also think the "oh we're just vetting all the candidates" is disingenuous when they go full oppo research on the nonPalins.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:50 PM (TUax9)

746 Uh, oh...this post just got mentioned in Hot Air's "quote of the day" post.

Courage, Morons. Courage.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 08:50 PM (Jvdxe)

747 So? It was better than you deserved. You should thank me.


Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:45 PM (uaEZS)
Piss off. How's that?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:51 PM (8Zpuz)

748 I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin.



They're not.



They're tearing down others.

That.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 08:52 PM (/ybwc)

749 RE: 752 are Republicans Republicans are

Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 08:52 PM (+iwM3)

750 "Piss off. How's that?"

about as lame as i expected from you tbh

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:53 PM (uaEZS)

751 >>>Bingo. Their logic seems to be something along the lines of "if we can increase the negatives of all the other candidates to the level of Palin's then maybe people will support her, because she's the least shitty." I also think the "oh we're just vetting all the candidates" is disingenuous when they go full oppo research on the nonPalins.

yes.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:54 PM (nj1bB)

752
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (nRTou)

exactly! so he can vault up in to polls to where tpaw is huh?

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:55 PM (xAq1C)

753 @755 And it took all of seven comments for Ace to be called a misogynist. If you oppose Obama you're a racist and if you oppose Palin you're a misogynist.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 08:55 PM (TUax9)

754 about as lame as i expected from you tbh


Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:53 PM (uaEZS)
Now you're stealing my material.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:56 PM (8Zpuz)

755 exactly! so he can vault up in to polls to where tpaw is huh?
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Yeah, that was my point. Perry is a far superior candidate with an inferior technical staff.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:57 PM (nRTou)

756 746 if you want to pretend that corporate income tax reductions are the only forms of "subsidies" given to corporations and bailouts are never given then fine, continue with your coronation of Mr Perry.
I am only saying that Sarah has as much a right and presently has just as good and specific ideas as your boy or the other wannabees.
It was a 40 minute speech covering lots of topics and 40 minutes of handgrabbing and autograph signing after.
As long as were playing the game I really don't understand how your man became a commissioned officer with grades like his when today 3.25's are getting turned away....FACT THAT! See two can play.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 08:57 PM (tHnoW)

757 "Now you're stealing my material."

I suck like that, sometimes.

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:59 PM (uaEZS)

758 >>>As long as were playing the game I really don't understand how your man
became a commissioned officer with grades like his when today 3.25's are
getting turned away....FACT THAT! See two can play.

It was probably Affirmative Action.

Or maybe it was his old money connections from Paint Creek.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 08:59 PM (hIWe1)

759 Wow Ace warns we can expect lots of knife in the back stuff from her supporters! Wow 4 years ago Ace blamed this kind of BS on his nicotine habbit.

You're losing it. Seek help. This is the kind of tripe you expect to see at the DU or from the BCC written by some minor underling hired because he was a relative of Maxine Waters rather thasn for his talent.

Its informative to watch the speech and contrast its contents and nature with Ace's comments. Its obvious to the casual observer that we are not dealing with an honest broker here.

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 08:59 PM (e36+G)

760 As long as were playing the game I really don't understand how your man
became a commissioned officer with grades like his when today 3.25's are
getting turned away....FACT THAT! See two can play.

This would be the sort of unnecessary bullshit that I was talking about up-thread. Don't piss and moan about criticism of Palin's ideas if you're going to go in these sorts of directions with your criticism of other candidates.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 09:00 PM (Jvdxe)

761

I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin.





They're not.





They're tearing down others.







Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)

EXACTLY!!

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 09:00 PM (/uJoK)

762
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:57 PM (nRTou)

i went to his site the other day to check his appearances and such and i couldnt find a schedule. maybe its something pols dont put on their websites, i dont go to pol's websites much. i just saw a chance to get a dig in and i took it! improving his net/digital operation is certainly never a bad thing to do.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:00 PM (xAq1C)

763 ace, I fully agree the respect train runs both ways.

I have cringed seeing some of the crap the Palin people put up on Twitter.

But I also cringe at some of the comments I see here.

My goal is to get Obama out. Frankly, I would even like Joe Biden in charge, short-term, since he is such a doofus he couldn't rally the dems.

Obama is a clear and present danger to this country. I am fine if Perry is the winner, or Cain, or Palin, or even Romney. Any of these people are better than Obama. My dog trainer is better than Obama. I, 62-year old grandma, am better than Obama.

The hate on both sides, Perry and Palin, needs to stop. You are not helping by encouraging the hate fests. If you disagree with Palin's positions, say so. Do not accuse her of being vague when she says the same thing in speeches that Rubio does. This is lazy analysis.

Let's talk about her ideas and whether they are workable. I have seen a few things here giving me pause on some of her positions. n the other hand, Governor Perry needs to do some explaining on some of his record.

Frankly, after all of this, Herman Cain is looking pretty good, even with his missteps.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:01 PM (Fo83G)

764
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)


i've made the point that a vote they take away from someone else doesnt automatically become a vote for sarah over at hotair plenty. but its much easier to destroy someone else than to fight against sarah's huge negatives. stick fingers in ear and go lalalalalala and then smear whoever is leading atm

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:02 PM (xAq1C)

765 I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin.





They're not.





They're tearing down others.







Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)





Hardcore supporters of Palin are doing this? The devil you say! Why, you'd think it was primary season or something....


Posting '08 media smears against her accomplishes what exactly?
I'm not a C4P person. I signed onto Perry's site the day he
announced. So what, C4p people come here and post crap about Perry. They are promptly
rebuked.
At this point no minds will be changed on Palin, pro or con. I don't get your end game ace. You may have pro-Palin lurkers whose minds could be swayed over to Perry but you'll turn them off smearing her.
If Perry is your guy, focus the genius that is 'ace' on him...forger her. You foam at the mouth about her. There will always be trolls...

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 09:03 PM (X6akg)

766 Can I just get the groundrules here?

If a liberal claims that you must be a racist if you oppose Obama, that's just identity-politics hatred, right?

But some C4P'ers have the mantra down that if you oppose Palin, you're a misogynist, and that's not an identity-politics bullshit line, that's just the truth.

Right?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:05 PM (nj1bB)

767 i went to his site the other day to check his appearances and such and i couldnt find a schedule.


ONCE AGAIN, Perry following Palin's lead.

/Palinista

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 09:05 PM (TUax9)

768 Not a Palin fan, however her general message of the crony capitalism involving corporations, the Ivy League "social justice" hucksters and their Washington political enablers is destroying the middle class.

This permanent political and lobbyist class needs to be destroyed and not one candidate beyond Ms. Palin is making the point a main theme.


I wish we had someone who could communicate the message better with more specifics.....because at the heart of all of our problems, she nails it.


Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 09:05 PM (BnhTI)

769 i went to his site the other day to check his appearances and such and i couldnt find a schedule. maybe its something pols dont put on their websites, i dont go to pol's websites much. i just saw a chance to get a dig in and i took it! improving his net/digital operation is certainly never a bad thing to do.
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Well, I guess I don't understand why you decided to go snarky with me. Perry's website is something someone with just a little web experience could put together with a Wordpress download a customizable theme and a weekend's worth of work. It's just not up to par for a front-running candidate. That's not a criticism of Perry; it's more a criticism of their campaign planning and priorities.

Compare Pawlenty's site (it's still up) to Perry's, then check out Pawlenty's YouTube videos and Twitter account. It's not even close. I'm just identifying something that needs fixing. I'll support Perry (as of now) regardless, but he needs to up his game when it comes to this stuff.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:08 PM (nRTou)

770 Ace, It's so funny that you think Palin people are tearing down others, I swear all I've been doing lately is hearing people call her a tease, saying she's in it for the money, she's a narcissist, she's playing games and on an on. I feel like I'm constantly having to defend my support for her. So I guess since you like Perry you feel like Palin supporters are tearing him down, but I think the Palin supporters would say that it's been nonstop Palin bashing at this blog and others. Maybe we're both right. I really don't know. We are all suppose to be on the same side, but passions are high, people are sick and tired of where this country is heading, and I think people are just afraid that Obama will be get a second term. I wish we could all just relax a little bit and let the Primaries play out. If Palin throws her hat in, then let them all duke it out in the debates and let the people decide respectfully.

Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 09:08 PM (hyUyU)

771 >>>Its informative to watch the speech and contrast its contents and nature with Ace's comments. Its obvious to the casual observer that we are not dealing with an honest broker here.

If you were impressed by Palin's speech, you obviously are only consuming Palin Brand Media, ask for it by name.

It was complete boilerplate.

Or maybe you're just easily impressed.

It was a standard speech with nothing people will remember in a single day. A lot of speeches are like that. Fine. But if you build something up, expect to be judged with the built-up expectations you encouraged.

Her speech was pretty much just Perry's speech in Charleston (did you watch it? Or do you only watch Palin Brand Media?) except with the corporate tax rate specified at zero (but no plan for offsetting that lost revenue).

And she also claimed that unlike other politicians she wasn't going to speak in "vague generalities."

I guess those are just words.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:09 PM (nj1bB)

772 >>>Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 08:59 PM (e36+G)

Why is the constant refrain from Palinistas always one of "You're losing it, seek help!" or "You're no honest broker!" If Ace is such a dishonest Perry-whore why then did he criticize his comments about Ben Bernanke? Or initially prefer Pawlenty before he failed to take off? Why has he made it a point to find good things to say about Mitt Romney (noting, in particular, that Romney has always been an effective anti-Obama attack dog despite the fact that people seem to think that only Bachmann or Palin or other True Conservatives actually take the fight to him) even though Mitt's the number one threat to Perry?

I dunno, seems like pretty honest brokering to me. I know it's presumptuous for me to try and speak for him, but I will because it strikes me that his orientation is similar to mine: we have our preferences w/r/t candidates, but we're far more concerned with defeating Obama with the most conservative person possible than we with getting emotionally attached to any one candidate. Pawlenty seemed like a great option in theory; in practice he didn't work out, so oh well it's on to the next possible choice. Perry really seems like he might the one, but if some awful scandal comes out about him and renders him unacceptable or unelectable, I won't think twice before unsentimentally dropping him and moving to Romney. Wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I'll take it: I care about WINNING FIRST.

Now I suppose that's a "bias," but if anything it's a virtuous bias that we should all be on the same page with: what's wrong with being biased towards success? Towards the possibility of actually ousting Obama from office? Every one of our candidates has promised to repeal Obamacare (first through executive action, then legislatively when/if possible), and to get regulatory monster off the backs of business, and to take a crack at reforming entitlements...Obama won't even PROMISE any of these things, much less do them. Therefore, my priority is getting not-Obama into office, and I'll back the most conservative candidate who can possibly do that.

Anyone have a problem with that?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:09 PM (hIWe1)

773

But some C4P'ers have the mantra down that if you oppose Palin, you're a
misogynist, and that's not an identity-politics bullshit line, that's
just the truth.





Right?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:05 PM (nj1bB)

in your case it is bullshit,but as you do know some people are indeed racist and indeed misogynist.
However I don't think it's helpful for it to be bandied , it will become less effective just as screams of racism is becoming.and real stuff that might need to be addressedwill actually likely be ignored

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:10 PM (h+qn8)

774 ace,

When you go on and on about Rubio's speeches (without specifics) and then attack Palin for having no specifics, what am I to think?

When her speech, which had more details than Perry's announcement speech, is attacked as having no details, what am I to think?

When I see post after post talking about having sex with her but not wanting her as a candidate, without one bit of objection from you, what am I to think?

When I hear her called a cheerleader, talk about her boobies, hear her called an attention-whore, and there is no objection from you, what am I to think?

Maybe I am missing something here, but I don't think you are treating her with the same respect that you give Romney, who is far less conservative than she is.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:12 PM (Fo83G)

775
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:08 PM (nRTou)
Well, I guess I don't understand why you decided to go snarky with me.

uh, because its the friggin internets!! as i said im sure improvements could be made and i hope he addresses it before the primary. just not sure how much it really hurts a candidate to have a poor site as long as he is good on the issues.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:12 PM (xAq1C)

776 Perry's speech WAS just generalities and principles; but then again, he never claimed he was going to get specific, Yo!, unlike those "other politicians."

Tami,

I'm tired of the double standard. Palin is not the Anointed One. Some are insisting she is, and therefore gets this "I can attack other candidates but don't you dare attack Palin" rule.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:12 PM (nj1bB)

777 >>>When you go on and on about Rubio's speeches (without specifics) and then attack Palin for having no specifics, what am I to think?


SHE SPECIFICALLY SAID SHE WOULD NOT SPEAK IN "VAGUE GENERALITIES" LIKE "OTHER POLITICIANS."

Do you think words should fucking mean something?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:13 PM (nj1bB)

778 I didn't come here to trash anyone elses candidate it just seems that the ones on here vetting mine prefer the truth not be told and theirs not be vetted.
I think Palin and Perry are friends and I would not attack him were his supports not pushing him to the top without a good vetting while pissing on everything Sarah
I firmly believe that is why Sarah is delaying so the others may define themselves and be vetted because once she enters all vetting of the others stops and all guns are trained on the girl.
Perry is a big boy let him compete and allow a little vetting without the name calling.
All ideas need to be on the table and all candidates need to be vetted, because after the nomination they will be for a certainty!

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 09:14 PM (tHnoW)

779 in fairness Palin has been attacked way before any of these candidates popped up their heads.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:15 PM (h+qn8)

780 When other politicians give a stump speech of basic principles and no details, they are smart enough NOT to say something stupid like "I'm not about to give you a stump speech of basic principles and no details... like those OTHER POLITICIANS."

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:15 PM (nj1bB)

781 Here is a question I have: did Palin declare she was going to be specific in this spech?

Or was she speaking about a purported campaign?

World of difference. If she promised specifics in this speech, and if she failed to deliver (jury out on this yet as I haven't seen the speech) then she made a big error.

On the other hand, if she was talking about her campaign, promising policy statements and such, then this criticism is off-base.

Anyone have a link or a quote from Palin?

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:15 PM (Fo83G)

782 Congrats to Ace! he made the QOTD over at hotair. for whatever that is worth...

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:15 PM (xAq1C)

783 Sarah has become nothing more than a physicallyattractive distraction. She should pick a real candidate and support him/her.

Posted by: Rewrite! at September 03, 2011 09:16 PM (d7Px0)

784 . just not sure how much it really hurts a candidate to have a poor site as long as he is good on the issues.

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You remember Obama's web and social media operation in '08, right? Remember how big a deal that was, right?

Now, do you remember a single thing about the McCain/Palin web and social media operation?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:16 PM (nRTou)

785 So, big fucking deal, ace.

You were disappointed. Maybe.

Get over yourself.

I am done. You have made your bed, now lie in it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:16 PM (Fo83G)

786 "in fairness Palin has been attacked way before any of these candidates popped up their heads."

True, but... we have an entire attack-Palin's-rivals blog, and all those attacks get posted in every thread, etc.

It's all too much for Palin people to then put on the Wounded Fawn act and start whining about attacking their girl.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:17 PM (nj1bB)

787 Miss Marple I believe she did. I am trying to find a video .

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:17 PM (h+qn8)

788 Isn't saying you're not going to speak in vague generalities a vague generality itself? I think I just blew my mind.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 09:17 PM (TUax9)

789 >>>I am done. You have made your bed, now lie in it.


I like the implication that I'll get mine.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:18 PM (nj1bB)

790 there's video at that c4 palin site

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:19 PM (h+qn8)

791 Why don't you talk about Sarah's speech to the Long Island Association, ace? Why won't you talk about it????

Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 09:19 PM (+iwM3)

792 Rick Perry repeatedly stated that he was not running. Palin has been straightforward saying she'd make a decision by September. I view that as more honest than if she had declared over & over that she isn't running & then threw her hat in the ring like Perry did.

Posted by: Ann at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (vLPQl)

793 >>>When you go on and on about Rubio's speeches (without specifics) and
then attack Palin for having no specifics, what am I to think?>>>When
her speech, which had more details than Perry's announcement speech, is
attacked as having no details, what am I to think?

I don't think you get that the unspoken predicate behind Rubio/Perry vs. Palin is that, unlike Palin, they already have substantive records in office that render an otherwise platitudinous stump speech acceptable: we don't have to worry about them being empty suits who are spouting easy, poll-tested platitudes without any actual substantive experience because they have LONG records of accomplishment already. Perry is the longest-serving governor of America's most successful state. Rubio (who, note, is actually still considered a bit too young by some) was the Florida State Senate Majority Leader before he got elected to the Senate: his political experience on the state level wasn't merely as a back-bencher but as the guy responsible for leading an entire caucus and moving legislation. These are things which make people think "yeah, they've got the chops and the know-how to actually accomplish stuff on a nuts-and-bolts level."

Meanwhile, Palin is a half-term governor of a sleepy state without any substantive opposing party whose very few supposed "accomplishments" actually turned out to be vaporware (the pipeline, which is never getting built) or debacles (the ethics law, which was so poorly written that it was turned against her, as her fans constantly remind us...like it's an advertisement for her political skill to have championed such a crap piece of legislation?).

See the difference? We don't look at a "generalities" speech by Rubio or Perry and think "gee, this guy is just preaching to the choir" because we know they've already come a long way and accomplished a lot on a political level. And, as current officeholders (and officeseekers), they're taking genuine risks in putting themselves out there with stuff like entitlement reform. Meanwhile Palin has been doing nothing but be a professional entertainer since 2009.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (hIWe1)

794 I didn't come here to trash anyone elses candidate it just seems that
the ones on here vetting mine prefer the truth not be told and theirs
not be vetted.

A good start to proving your sincerity? Stop trashing other candidates.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 09:21 PM (Jvdxe)

795 Palin has been straightforward saying she'd make a decision by September.

What time zone are you in, Ann? Because here in the great state of Califuckya, it's been September since Thursday.

Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 09:22 PM (/ybwc)

796 in fairness Palin has been attacked way before any of these candidates popped up their heads.

Indeed, she was. Now many those who complain about how unfairly she was treated by the media are actually assisting that same media in going after Rick Perry. Good job, folks. You and the 'lamestream' media are on the same side. Way to go.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 09:23 PM (Jvdxe)

797 ok at 23 minutes she speaks of vague general speaking not answers.,

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:25 PM (h+qn8)

798
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:16 PM (nRTou)

its very likely i didnt go to either campaign's website during that race. i dont remember anything about either. i would think the digital/internet is more important for GOTV than it is for actual campaigning.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:25 PM (xAq1C)

799 Slub i had not actually known that until looking at c4palin. i read here, patterico , hot air at times. but yes it is real, and pretty shameful.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:26 PM (h+qn8)

800 Jeff B.

You are talking about experience, which is a fine template on which to judge candidates.

However, experience is not what was criticized in ace's post. He criticized the speech as being without substance.

If you don't like her because you think she is weak on experience, well, that is a valid objection when comparing her with Perry. But jumping on the speech in itself is bogus.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:26 PM (Fo83G)

801 @800 And that she met with Netanyahu! The Netanyahu!

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 09:27 PM (TUax9)

802 its very likely i didnt go to either campaign's website during that race. i dont remember anything about either. i would think the digital/internet is more important for GOTV than it is for actual campaigning.
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It's not so much the website itself (although that's a good launching point), it's the social media, videos, eblasts, etc.

Obama crushed us in 2008 with all these things and has continued them (what do you think OFA is?). We as a party have to get more serious about it.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:29 PM (nRTou)

803 And she's going to South Korea next month! Foreign policy experience! Talk about it ace! Talk about it!!!

Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 09:29 PM (+iwM3)

804 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (hIWe1)

I think Rubio is the greatest speaker our side has....hands down. Damn I wish he were a little older.

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 09:29 PM (X6akg)

805
Ann at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (vLPQl)

holy crap, thats weak sauce. EVERY candidate says they arent running. up until they announce they are running.

at least he didnt quit his governorship,

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (xAq1C)

806 #812

Who were you on Free Republic? The harpies thing was a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (Fo83G)

807 >>>I think Rubio is the greatest speaker our side has....hands down.

Can I be honest without being called a Hispanic Hater?

I like Rubio, and I give him props for being a great speaker, because OTHER PEOPLE think he's a great speaker, but... I just find him sort of pretty good.

Maybe I haven't watched his best stuff or something.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (nj1bB)

808 ace , i haven't seen regulars attack others so much, but i have seem what i had before thought as mobys attack , now which i think might be c4p folks.

and i really hadn't noticed regulars no matter who their desired candidate is or was. attacking Perry. I think we're all hoping for a conservative win.

anyway , i'm for a conservative win and am a little afraid of the end result of not getting everyone on board to vote for the desired candidate .

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (h+qn8)

809 What about Haiti, ace? You won't talk about it because you're a misogynist! Haiti! Woman-Hate-y!

Posted by: Shrews4Palin at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (+iwM3)

810 chas, actually Palin NEVER said she wasn't running. She said she was thinking about it.

Also, Romney never said he wasn't running. Neither did Pawlenty.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (Fo83G)

811 Doesn't change my opinion on him, btw. If an author sells 1,000,000 copies of a book, it doesn't matter if I think it's great or not-- fact is, the man can sell the hell out of a book.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:34 PM (nj1bB)

812 I like Rubio, and I give him props for being a great speaker, because OTHER PEOPLE think he's a great speaker, but... I just find him sort of pretty good.
----

Is it the faint lisp?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:34 PM (nRTou)

813 815
#812

Who were you on Free Republic? The harpies thing was a dead giveaway.


Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (Fo83G)
yeah brings back memories of old dried cnts and crap from Obamabots because women won't vote the best guy for woemn.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:35 PM (h+qn8)

814 @814 But if he wins the 2012 election, he'll have to quit the governorship, so then he'll nothing but a dirty quitter! CUDA CUDA HERP DERP!!

Posted by: The Palinista at September 03, 2011 09:35 PM (TUax9)

815 >>>and i really hadn't noticed regulars no matter who their desired candidate is or was. attacking Perry. I think we're all hoping for a conservative win.


It's less regulars. It's that when Palin is mentioned, it gets linked by the pro-Palin blogs, and they come in to attack.

Look, this was not a great speech. It definitely was subpar measured by the expectations deliberately cultivated for it.

You can make a big whoop-de-doo and force me to watch your speech; but you can't force me to give it a good review.

If you make a whoop-de-doo, fine, but then I get to say whether I think it was worth the whoop-de-doo.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:36 PM (nj1bB)

816 ace g-d Rubio is amazing, he doesn't huh huh huh, stutter or hesitate when a quuestion is asked, well versed and knowledgeable.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:36 PM (h+qn8)

817 815 -- I can honestly say I've never posted a single comment on Free Republic. I've read a few of the posts and even joined once (many years ago), but never posted.

Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 09:36 PM (+iwM3)

818 I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin. They're not. They're tearing down others.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
As opposed to what? Other blogs not tearing down Palin?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (hfrm2)

819 It's less regulars. It's that when Palin is mentioned, it gets linked by the pro-Palin blogs, and they come in to attack.

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It's almost, dare I say, RonPaul-ian...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (nRTou)

820
I didn't come here to trash anyone elses candidate it just seems that
the ones on here vetting mine prefer the truth not be told and theirs
not be vetted.

A good start to proving your sincerity? Stop trashing other candidates.

Henceforth it seems the dictate has come down to cease any criticism of any candidates other than Sarah Palin.
WOW just WOW.
So much for competition.
Welcome to the Peristroyka

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 09:38 PM (tHnoW)

821 Ace, I think your comment about the dresses didn't do you any favors and did not actually get the point across you were hoping to since it seems like your point for it was "If C4P want to use a hack liberal paper as a basis of attacking Perry, then let's use hack liberal papers to attack Palin, because they think they're legitimate."
It was lacking in substance for that sort of thing.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 09:39 PM (GULKT)

822 >>>I like Rubio, and I give him props for being a great speaker, because
OTHER PEOPLE think he's a great speaker, but... I just find him sort of
pretty good.

This is the first and last time I'll ever say this, but his voice sorta sounds kind of gay.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:40 PM (hIWe1)

823 ace I didn't think it was excellant either. I just hate the gang bang.

did i tell you about a kid across the street coming home from middle school about 6 mths ago. a gang ran up to him and started wiping him out, I watched in terror, and decided well do something!
i ran outside , now mothers are coming back from picking their kids up from school, I said get out of your cars and help me! (all the kids are in the middle of the street ) they did. the kids were dispersed police were called, kid taken to the hospital broken arms and leg. split lips and black eyes,

Why, am i telling this?

It's a fault of mine , I have little brain and all emotion when i see something bad happening to someone else.
just reflex.

i need to work on it.


Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:41 PM (h+qn8)

824 Henceforth it seems the dictate has come down to cease any criticism of any candidates other than Sarah Palin.

Cut the drama. That's not at all what I meant. I don't give two craps if you criticize Perry, Romney and actively encourage you to criticize Huntsman. However, the criticism should be idea and policy based, not whether a candidate had a good college GPA. That's just pointless.

Just FYI, you are aware that perestroika means "restructuring" and was a word used to describe a Russian freedom movement, right? Respect the pa-rooksi, tovarish.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 09:41 PM (Jvdxe)

825 This is the first and last time I'll ever say this, but his voice sorta sounds kind of gay.

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I remember watching him vote last year and my jaw hit the floor when I saw him wearing a pair of Dad jeans that would make Obama's look manly.

Like you, I will never mention it again.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:42 PM (nRTou)

826 @824 The only people hyping the speech were establishment RINO dirty tricksters and Mike Castle. Didn't you see the guy organizing the rally got his picture taken with Rick Perry once!? You see, the tricksters and Mike Castle knew Palin was only going to have a great speech (and not a terrifemendous speech like usual) so they hyped it up in the lamestream media just so everyone would be let down. ALSO, Rick Perry is a dhimmi, open-borders advocate who wants to force all of your children to be vaccined.

Posted by: The Palinista at September 03, 2011 09:43 PM (TUax9)

827
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (Fo83G)

so thats your knock on perry? that at one time he said he wasnt going to run for president? because almost a year ago he wasnt going to run and now that he has you just cant trust him? but you trust a woman who quit an elected position because the pressure got her?

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:43 PM (xAq1C)

828
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (nRTou)

all that's missing is a blimp...

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:44 PM (xAq1C)

829 Was this post written by Debbie Downer? Geebus!

Lets sum it all up

- Palin sucks,
- All you Palinistas can go to hell
- I've narrowed my vote down to Obama or Mittens.
- Later, losers!

Why take 1126 words when it can all be summed up in 24?




Posted by: Afterseven at September 03, 2011 09:44 PM (qWeYU)

830 >>>Ace, I think your comment about the dresses didn't do you any favors and did not actually get the point across you were hoping to since it seems like your point for it was "If C4P want to use a hack liberal paper as a basis of attacking Perry, then let's use hack liberal papers to attack Palin, because they think they're legitimate."


That was my point.

My point is that if you want to toss out a lot of oppo research, well, there is some on Palin, too.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (nj1bB)

831
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (hfrm2)

these other candidates dont have over 70% of their own party saying they shouldnt run. you cant win over voters by insulting them and the candidate they support.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (xAq1C)

832 I think it is pretty obvious why Palin didn't want O'Donnell on the same stage. It would be too easy to make the connection.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (NFK5k)

833 chas, NO! Quit trying to interpret what I said.

Perry is fine. If he's the nominee, I will support him enthusiastically (absent some unknown controversy that makes him a loser).

My point is that Perry DID say he wasn't running, right up until he decided to do so. That is just as inconsistent as someone who doesn't make a decision on Karl Rove's timetable.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (Fo83G)

834 It's hard to keep all these hit-and-run Palinistas straight.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (nRTou)

835 @841 Yeah it's not like she endorsed the woman or anything.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 09:47 PM (TUax9)

836 Maybe I haven't watched his best stuff or something.





Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (nj1bB)
Maybe it's me....I really enjoy listening to him. His delivery, his style, his voice, his command of the facts...I just like him.Here's his CPAC speech: http://tinyurl.com/3zhm8krHis Maiden senate speech: http://tinyurl.com/4y2ntj5His take down of Kerry in the senate: http://tinyurl.com/42txbc9His Reagan Library speech: http://tinyurl.com/429lfkc (He begins speaking at the 7m mark.)

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 09:48 PM (X6akg)

837
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (Fo83G)

well of course he said he wasnt running up until he did decide to run, because until he decided to run he wasnt running!! geez, you really think your making sense?

he started admitting he was thinking about running a couple of months back, he decided about a month ago and announced.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:48 PM (xAq1C)

838 chas, does that mean Ryan might still run?

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:50 PM (h+qn8)

839 That was my point. My point is that if you want to toss out a lot of oppo research, well, there is some on Palin, too.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (nj1bB)
I'm assuming you meant wasn't. I don't think you really succeeded in that oppo research point either.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 09:50 PM (GULKT)

840 Tami, he's awesome,

(no i'm not in love) but just have a slight crush.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:51 PM (h+qn8)

841 >>>@841 Yeah it's not like she endorsed the woman or anything.

That's something that also irks me. Hey, Palin: YOU ENDORSED O'DONNELL, REMEMBER? What's your problem with sharing a stage with her? Got something you'd like to tell us about her, maybe?

See, the thing is, if Palin said "yeah I endorsed her, and it was a mistake -- she was a terrible, shady candidate and she's now an embarrassment" then I'd actually give her points for honesty (BIG points). But Palin doesn't want to either own up to her error OR live with the consequences of maintaining her position that Christine O'Donnell was just a peachykeen choice for DE-SEN. She just wants it to go away.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:51 PM (hIWe1)

842 I'll listen to Rubio again, Tami.

I never said he was a bad speaker or anything. I was just questioning the "Great" descriptor.

But I'm very serious about that level of superlative. I don't think "Great" should be tossed around casually. I get very persnickety about the difference between "good" and "fine" and "outstanding" and "great."

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (nj1bB)

843 chas

At what point is it disingenuous to say you aren't running?

Don't know. Fact is, he did. Then he changed his mind. Has he said he changed his mind? I can't keep up with everything, so maybe he did.

My POINT is that all candidates waffle, waver, make missteps, and then press on. Some will rise and some will fall.

Why is it that Palin's wavering and missteps are poison, while Perry's are simply SOP?

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (Fo83G)

844 Miss Marple,

Saying you're not going to run is the responsible thing to do WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING SOMETHING.

As soon as the field broke in Perry's favor (Daniels deciding not to run), Perry indicated he might think about it. Two months later he was in.

Palin, despite having absolutely no responsibilities (outside of those to FoxNews and TLC), has been playing this flirty nonsense for two solid years.

Sorry, it wears on people. I was a very solid Palin supporter and I'm completely worn out now, and y'know what? The polls reveal exactly the same thing. If this was/is her strategy, she's completely shot herself in the foot.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (nRTou)

845 buzzion,

But that was my point. I don't see what's wrong with that point.

It's a tit for tat thing. Why is that hard to understand?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (nj1bB)

846 ace, ace. Trolling your own blog again.

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (OhYCU)

847
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:50 PM (h+qn

you think you have some clever little rejoinder but its falling flat. if ryan changes his mind and jumps in i have no problem. but palinistas seem to think ever saying you wont run for president should be a disqualifying statement to ever running.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (xAq1C)

848 Jeff B. I will give you credit for the point about O'Donnell, who I have defended for far longer than she probably deserved.

The lesson everyone should take from Delaware is that when people are pissed off enough about an establishment republican candidate, they will elect a complete doofus as their nominee, because they hate the establishment guy so much.

Regarding palin's endorsement, I imagine she looked at a paper with O'Donnell's psitions on certain issues. She did not look at a psychiatric evaluation. I think she will be smarter on future endorsements.

And she should have a private talk with O'Donnell and get the whole thing to fade away.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:55 PM (Fo83G)

849 hahaha

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:55 PM (h+qn8)

850 Is this thread a joke?

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (OhYCU)

851 Buzzion,

Let me explain this forthrightly.

For a long time anti-Palin people have been making their case on the polls.

I have a little secret: We could say worse. We are confining ourselves to the polls, because the polls are fairly objective. It seems the nicest way to say it. We're just citing numbers, after all. It's not personal.

That's not to say we don't have more personal, tougher criticisms. We just shy away from them, knowing they will likely provoke anger. That is, they would be counterproductive and overly incendiary.

My point, though, is if the C4P crowd wants to take it to *that level*, well, I *can* take it to *that level* too.

I can. I just have been avoiding doing so, mostly, because I don't see the point of a candidate flamewar.

But if some want to run around with matches, well, let the barbecue begin.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (nj1bB)

852 I could imagine a good speech about the Tea Party. I could imagine a
speech going all the way back to the Town Halls during and after the
Revolutionary War
ummm.. did you miss the part where she talked about this?

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (OhYCU)

853 Johnny, maybe you are right.

In which case she either won't run, or she will run and flop.

So why is everyone so upset?

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (Fo83G)

854 sorry I'm over tired think I'll go read a book, non political, maybe just fluff, like me.

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (h+qn8)

855 But that was my point. I don't see what's wrong with that point. It's a tit for tat thing. Why is that hard to understand?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (nj1bB)
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just don't think your comment really got that acrossed. At least it didn't for me.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (GULKT)

856

A lot of people traveled a very long way and sat out in the rain for
something that was suggested just might be The Big Announcement. A lot
of people watched on TV.
And what they saw was a no-brainer stump speech.
Who's being pranked here?
I think you are, since it was already well known she wasn't announcing today.

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 09:58 PM (OhYCU)

857 852
chas

At what point is it disingenuous to say you aren't running?

Don't
know. Fact is, he did. Then he changed his mind. Has he said he
changed his mind? I can't keep up with everything, so maybe he did.

My POINT is that all candidates waffle, waver, make missteps, and then press on. Some will rise and some will fall.

Why is it that Palin's wavering and missteps are poison, while Perry's are simply SOP?



Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (Fo83G)
Palin has been unofficially running since the day she quit as governor. But now that the election is actually here, she apparently can't decide -- despite the fact that she's releasing online videos, a movie about herself, and giving "major" speeches. The part where she wants a ton of attention and support without making a decision doesn't make her look good.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 09:58 PM (XYpRn)

858 If Palin were still governor in Alaska, and had an approval rating there above 31%, she probably could have used that continued popularity to push the neophye Joe Miller over Lisa Murkowski, too.

Decisions have consequences.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:58 PM (nj1bB)

859
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (Fo83G)

well maybe you prefer someone who wont make up their mind. to me i dont care about either. say you arent running, say you havent made up your mind. no biggie, to hold it against a candidate later is just lame. if thats your biggest problem w/ perry then stay away, we dont want someone as anal as you supporting team rick

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:58 PM (xAq1C)

860 So, ace, you are threatening palin? You have "the goods" on her?

Or is this just bogus crap to make you look smart?

Cough up. I would rather have a complete flame war than this constant smarmy hinting.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:59 PM (Fo83G)

861 @ 856 -- but palinistas seem to think ever saying you wont run for president should be a disqualifying statement to ever running.

Thing is, they don't really believe that. It's just a convenient avenue of escape to keep from having to talk about the fact that she quit her job and has about 8 fewer years of executive experience than Rick Perry as a consequence.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:00 PM (+iwM3)

862 >>>Regarding palin's endorsement, I imagine she looked at a paper with
O'Donnell's psitions on certain issues. She did not look at a
psychiatric evaluation. I think she will be smarter on future
endorsements.

I think you're probably right about this.

And this is as damning an indictment of Palin as you could imagine.

Because it's not rocket science to understand that a candidate is more than the mere sum of their policy positions. The actual person themselves matters, too. And unlike some other Tea Party losers (like say Dan Maes) it wasn't like O'Donnell was an unknown whose skeletons came as a surprise: she'd been running for office in Delaware (and losing) for years. Her troubles were widely known long before Palin offered her endorsement.

That Palin was supremely negligent (especially when the stakes were so friggin' high and had such important real-world consequences) is a massive strike against her.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:00 PM (hIWe1)

863 But if some want to run around with matches, well, let the barbecue begin.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (nj1bB)
You'd be better served throwing gasoline at them, than running around with matches yourself though.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 10:00 PM (GULKT)

864 I believe it was 45 days between Perry expressing interest and making the announcement.

It was pretty transparent. Each move was reported.

He said he had not yet changed his mind about running up until he announced he had changed his mind.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:00 PM (nj1bB)

865 chas, You are being just as idiotic as the Palinistas.

In what universe do you tell people you don't want their vote? That is not a winning strategy.

Did you read the entire thread? Do you realize that I said I would support Perry enthusiastically if he was the nominee?

And now you are telling me you don't want my vote? Why?

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:01 PM (Fo83G)

866 I can. I just have been avoiding doing so, mostly, because I don't see the point of a candidate flamewar.



Traffic. Gold.


Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:01 PM (TUax9)

867 857
Jeff B. I will give you credit for the point about O'Donnell, who I have defended for far longer than she probably deserved.

The
lesson everyone should take from Delaware is that when people are
pissed off enough about an establishment republican candidate, they
will elect a complete doofus as their nominee, because they hate the
establishment guy so much.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:55 PM (Fo83G)

Which was, and remains, a brilliant strategy BTW. Nice job cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And don't say you "sent a message." The only message anyone got out of the O'Donnell debacle is that some conservatives are dumb enough to support terrible candidates so long as they claim to be "tea party" or "non-establishment."

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 10:01 PM (XYpRn)

868 It's bullshit to equate everyone that supports Palin as being a Palinista or being from C4P. We all have people we prefer, but we can't be lumped together. Hell, I support Palin, and most here know it, but even I think some of the crap spewed by diehards (of more than just Palin) are over the top in vitriol.
When I chime in, it's usually because I think something that has been said is unfair or untrue, and some here are damn good at spouting their belief as fact. And many arerepeating crap spewed by the media that theylambast on a daily basis. Most don't know half of what they think they know about any of the candidates or potential candidates. They are just repeating shit they hear from someone else that doesn't know what the hell they're talking about either.
I love this blog, but some days facts are totally lost. It's great to have discussions and even disagreements, but for a blog that praises itself on having some of the smartest commenters, damn,I suspect some of you spouting off actually know you're full of shit.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:02 PM (hfrm2)

869 862 Johnny,  maybe you are right.

In which case she either won't run,  or she will run and flop.

So why is everyone so upset?

-------

Why? Because she's sniping at other candidates while refusing to announce one way or the other, all while keeping her supporters in whipped up in some "let's burn the whole thing down" fever.

It appears to be nothing more than an ego-stroking self-promotion campaign at this point. I no longer buy the "it's so comical, she's driving the MSN crazy" line. She's starting to drive solid and loyal conservatives crazy now. How is that good for conservatism?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:02 PM (nRTou)

870 Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (Fo83G)
Basically, as it stands now, Perry wins the nomination and therefore the presidency. If Palin jumps in, then Romney gets the nomination and the presidency. Some folks don't like that scenario, but they don't discount it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 03, 2011 10:03 PM (NFK5k)

871 I was at the event. I thought Sarah defended the Tea Party well as did those preceding her.
It was uplifting,it was positive, it was inspiring, it was an Obama ass kicking.

I made the mistake of coming here to find out how bad it was, I should have gone to MSNBC.

If ya don't think the nominee will be vetted beyond belief your delusional, but hey why not just wait until he's the nominee that way the door is closed on the trick pony and we're stuck with an unvetted candidate no matter who it is.
I promise I will no longer suggest that prospective officers are being turned down today for commissions because 3.25 is not good enough. I realize grades are irrelevant, at least Obamas were and I will honestly admit I don't know what Sarahs, who did not commission, were and I don't know my Russian very well.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:03 PM (tHnoW)

872 ace is an honorary MSNBC anchor much?

/

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 10:04 PM (OhYCU)

873 Jeff B. you are right about the O'Donnell endorsement.

The possible. flaw I see is that Palin thinks everyone is like her in honesty and straightforwardness. More cynical people like me know this is not true.

It's why she got sucked into this tea party thing today, why she got snookered into endorsing O'Donnell, and why she gave the interview to Katie Couric.

On the other hand, she IS willing to go after Obama, which not all candidates have been willing to do.

Let her run if she wants, and we will see what happens. If she is a bad candidate, she won't make it past New Hampshire.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:05 PM (Fo83G)

874
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:01 PM (Fo83G)

then vote for rick if you want, but stop the crap w/ acting upset because he played the same announcement game every single frigging candidate has in my entire lifetime. well except for ones like huntsman that just up and announce because no one ever thought to ask him beforehand if he was running to give him a chance to deny it. its part of the game, deny your running or say you havent decided. if you hold it against a candidate then as i said before you being way too anal

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:05 PM (xAq1C)

875 >>>So, ace, you are threatening palin? You have "the goods" on her?>>>Or is this just bogus crap to make you look smart?

No, for god's sake, no. He's simply saying that a lot of Palin-skeptics phrase their opposition to her in neutral, non-offensive terms such as "the polls say she can't win" or "she doesn't have enough experience in office." (Of course, Palinistas inevitably shriek that EVEN THIS is 'too personal' and 'unfair,' which sort of proves the point.)

When Palin-skeptics COULD, instead, criticize her in a lot of more explosive (yet equally valid) terms: She has a track record of flaky diva behavior (e.g., her various scheduling antics). She quit her one position of real responsibility in order to make money. She lacks any sense of proper gravitas or political instincts, as evidenced by the stupid reality TV show where she invited Kate of Jon Kate + 8 on to help in the further beclowning. She's amazingly thin-skinned, as evidenced by a litany of attacks on various people and media personalities (the unfair sliming of Rick Santorum being one that really stands out). Oh, and she doesn't seem to be that smart. In fact, she seems pretty dumb.

See what I mean?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (hIWe1)

876 >>>So, ace, you are threatening palin? You have "the goods" on her?

I don't have "the goods." I have criticisms of the kind you've heard before which I generally avoid because it would make you angry.

But no, if gun to my head-- no, I do not find her smart. I think she's scatterbrained and not in-command. I think she is easily rattled under pressure-- like with Katie Couric.

I think she makes bad on-the-cuff decisions, as when she said "sure, I support Christine O'Donnell" when Hannity asked her about it.

I think she is temperamental -- she seems to cultivate an air of swirling drama around her. Mercurial. I think she changes her mind a lot.

I do not think she has a very deep background in policy or theory. I think she got into politics with a reformist's sense of "This is wrong!," which is admirable enough, but she did not have much of a Step 2 or Step 3 in mind, and none at all when it came to federal policy. This showed up in 2008.

I think she makes excuses for herself, throws blame at others, indulges in conspiracy theorizing and victimization, and especially Wymynyst identity politics (some people can't handle a girl in power-- wink!)

I do not find these traits presidential. Several of them are disqualifying.

Some claim to find this "charming." I find it alarming. I actually do not think Palin is qualified to be president, at all, and I would worry seriously if she got into office.



Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (nj1bB)

877 The Palin campaign clothes issue is actually perfectly explicable. She wasn't rich in 2008, and so she didn't have a large wardrobe. She was going to be appearing all over the country as McCain's running mate, and was going to be on TV every day. She couldn't be seen wearing the same five or ten outfits over and over again, or else the MFM would have teased her as classless trailer trash.

So the campaign went out and spent some cash to get her some really nice outfits, so that she'd be wearing different stuff for every appearance and would look good. And this stuff was then donated to a charity. I don't see a problem with this. At all. McCain raised hundreds of millions of dollars (or at least tens of millions), so his campaign could afford a few grand for some new clothes for his running mate.

Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (QjrRF)

878 @880 Yeah I think supporters of a candidate who went to such illustrious academic institutions as Hawaii Pacific University, Matanuska-Susitna College, and North Idaho College are really barking up the wrong tree when questioning Perry's academic record.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (TUax9)

879
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:05 PM (Fo83G)

wow!! so when things go against sarah she was "snookered in" and when things go good for her its just all part of her political genius playing out The Plan™

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:10 PM (xAq1C)

880 I don't really think the clothes were an issue. It was my attempt at a cheap shot in kind.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:10 PM (nj1bB)

881 Oh, and I think her political judgments are awful.

Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.

Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."

I said she would continue to lose support if she did that. Her supporters insisted I was wrong, that her down-home charm would be enough to win support.

Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!," and here we are.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:12 PM (nj1bB)

882 you cant win over voters by insulting them and the candidate they support.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (xAq1C)
Yeah, no shit Sherlock.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (hfrm2)

883 887
@880 Yeah I think supporters of a candidate who went to such illustrious academic institutions as Hawaii
Pacific University, Matanuska-Susitna College, and North Idaho College
are really barking up the wrong tree when questioning Perry's academic
record.


Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (TUax9)
Point of order: Could someone list the AOS acceptable colleges and universities. Ivy's aren't it and yet neither are a whole host of others....so I'd just like to know the moron approved colleges./sheesh

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 10:14 PM (X6akg)

884 If ya don't think the nominee will be vetted beyond belief your
delusional, but hey why not just wait until he's the nominee that way
the door is closed on the trick pony and we're stuck with an unvetted
candidate no matter who it is.

I agree, all of our candidates are going to be vetted, but the criteria should be fair. That's all I'm saying. GPA is irrelevant.

and I don't know my Russian very well.

Well, nobody's perfect. :-D


Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 10:14 PM (Jvdxe)

885
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (hfrm2)

context much?? taht was in reference to someone polling down by ron paul atm. if perry was sucking hindtit i wouldnt be trolling around tearing other candidates down

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:15 PM (xAq1C)

886 My opinion, Ace, FWIW, is that the anti-Palin posts may actually be counterproductive at this point. She's highly unlikely to be the nominee even if she runs, and I kinda doubt she will.

All these posts do is spark a civil war in the comments and turn her fanbase against you and whichever candidate(s) you seem to prefer.

I understand that this was a "newsworthy" event, so you felt obligated to report on it. And I don't expect you to lie about it and say how wonderful her speech was if you didn't really think it was that great.

But...I'm just not sure there is any utility in these types of posts. Palin has been basically discredited as a national candidate. Whether you write a post claiming that she's discredited or not, it's still the case that she is. So it kinda seems like pointless fratricide at this point.

She's a non-candidate. Shouldn't we treat her like one?

Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 10:15 PM (QjrRF)

887 I actually do not think Palin is qualified to be president, at all
Climb off the ledge now.

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 10:16 PM (OhYCU)

888 And quitting the governorship to take a job on fox news as an occasional pundit?!?!

I'm sorry, why are we still talking about her for president?

The Presidency is a hard job. Even Barack obama's hair turned gray and he's a lazybones.

But she found that the governorship wasn't up her alley, and now it's time for the presidency?!?

WHAT?!?

I honestly cannot believe the massive mind-fuck people are doing on themselves to spin away QUITTING A GOVERNORSHIP AFTER JUST TWO YEARS.

All in a brilliant plan, it is alleged, to seek ANOTHER executive job!

What, am I taking crazy pills? Did someone just hit me with the wacky-stick??!

Disqualifying.

No spinning.

Done.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:16 PM (nj1bB)

889 >>>Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not
be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books
and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.



>>>Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."
Yes, but this presumes facts not in evidence. Namely, that her goal was the Presidency. I think her goal was to maximize her cash flow and her celebrity -- and understand that I don't even necessarily think that's a bad thing. Lord knows that if I were in her position I'd have done the same damn thing every single time.

The problem is that I think that now that she's gotten up into the stratosphere, she doesn't want to come back down. It's too good. Too fun. Makes her feel too wonderful, to be the constant focus of media attention, to have a throng of devoted supporters, to have everyone wondering "will she or won't she?" So she doesn't want to pull the trigger and say "nah, I'm not running." She's rightfully afraid that it will all go away if she does. Which is where we stand today -- all this coy teasing.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:17 PM (hIWe1)

890 Get your facts straight, Ace.

She quit for a reality show.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:18 PM (nRTou)

891 @892 I really don't think the academic stuff matters one iota for anyone besides the credentialists themselves who work in academia and of course, recent college graduates who don't have many other accomplishments by which to measure them. I was just responding in kind to someone trashing Perry's GPA.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:18 PM (TUax9)

892 890
Oh, and I think her political judgments are awful.





Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not
be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books
and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.





Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."





I said she would continue to lose support if she did that. Her
supporters insisted I was wrong, that her down-home charm would be
enough to win support.





Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell
you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!,"
and here we are.







Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:12 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, you're forgetting her all-time worst political decision: agreeing to be McCain's VP nominee when she knew that her unmarried teenage daughter was pregnant by her dirtbag boyfriend. She didn't think that would be a mess once it became public? That it would reflect poorly on her, rightly or wrongly? Or that it would be an enormous distraction for a campaign that needed all the help it could get against a hostile media in love with the Democrat nominee?Accepting McCain's offer under those circumstances was just mind-blowingly idiotic.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 10:18 PM (XYpRn)

893 Now I will surprise you, because I think some of your statements are spot on.

I would rather hear those types of objections than the stuff I have seen here.

I think you are probably right about the "This is wrong" thing, and she has been swept into a current she didn't anticipate.

I do think she has a fairly deep knowledge of energy policy, but I don't think foreign affairs were a natural fit for her. (Of course many candidates fall into this mold, being as they come from local elections.)

The O'Donnell endorsement, as I told Jeff, was a big mistake and revealed a naivete about candidates that a more seasoned political person wouldn't have.

I will give her a huge credit for the "death panels" thing and for getting under Obama's skin. More candidates should take a page from her book on that.

It would be hard not to feel victimized having gone through the media trashing she underwent in 2008, much of it done with purposeful maliciousness, as we know from the journolistas. Especially the attacks on her children.

These comments you are NOW making after 1600 posts are more like the type of objections I would like to see in those who support other candidates.

Why didn't you post these types of things, instead of what you did initially? Your comments in post #885 are succinct, easy to understand, and factual, without snark, and make people think.

Why waste time on all of the other stuff?




Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:19 PM (Fo83G)

894 Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:16 PM (nj1bB)

Oh, great, ace. You've become "that guy."

And by "that guy" I mean Jeff B of course. :-D

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 10:19 PM (Jvdxe)

895 Slublog,
I promise last word by me on this here.
I Don't Care What The GPA Was!
By Todays Standards It (the one I saw posted here )Would Fall In The Bottom 25% Of Cadets and No Commission.
Perhaps Less Competition Back In The Day, Hey?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:20 PM (tHnoW)

896 Let's revive TPaw. He's The Answer.

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 10:20 PM (OhYCU)

897 Here's an honest question for Palinistas:

If her entire plan after losing the 2008 election was to cash in on her newfound celebrity for a new career as pundit/popstar and not to eventually run for President, what exactly would she have done differently?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:21 PM (nRTou)

898 Has dKos kidnapped ace?

Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 10:21 PM (OhYCU)

899 @899 It's not a reality show, it's a travelogue!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:21 PM (TUax9)

900 >>>Accepting McCain's offer under those circumstances was just mind-blowingly idiotic.

Yeah, and in a purely logical sense you make a good point, but I can't hold this one against her. When someone offers you a shot at the Vice-Presidency, and you're the obscure governor of a small-time state with absolutely no other chance for national advancement...unless you've actually murdered a hooker and are hiding the body in your closet, you take it.

And keep in mind, she informed McCain of Bristol's pregnancy. He had the opportunity to withdraw the offer, but he went ahead. I think if you're going to blame anyone for that, it should be him.

(See what I did there? I defended Sarah Palin.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:22 PM (hIWe1)

901 Ace, you're forgetting her all-time worst political decision: agreeing
to be McCain's VP nominee when she knew that her unmarried teenage
daughter was pregnant by her dirtbag boyfriend.

Do you people even bother to read The Atlantic?

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at September 03, 2011 10:25 PM (TUax9)

902 Yeah I think supporters of a candidate who went to such illustrious academic institutions as Hawaii Pacific University, Matanuska-Susitna College, and North Idaho College are really barking up the wrong tree when questioning Perry's academic record.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (TUax9)
Yeah, those colleges are just about as bad as Eureka, right?
Damn, some of you are just asswipes.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:26 PM (hfrm2)

903 909
>>>Accepting McCain's offer under those circumstances was just mind-blowingly idiotic.

Yeah,
and in a purely logical sense you make a good point, but I can't hold
this one against her. When someone offers you a shot at the
Vice-Presidency, and you're the obscure governor of a small-time state
with absolutely no other chance for national advancement...unless you've
actually murdered a hooker and are hiding the body in your closet, you
take it.

And keep in mind, she informed McCain of Bristol's
pregnancy. He had the opportunity to withdraw the offer, but he went
ahead. I think if you're going to blame anyone for that, it should be
him.

(See what I did there? I defended Sarah Palin.)


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:22 PM (hIWe1)
No, you don't take it. You come to terms with reality and accept that it's the wrong offer at the wrong time both for you and your family.Sure, we can blame McCain too, but we've always known he was a moron. That's not exactly helping her case.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 10:27 PM (XYpRn)

904 Honestly, I would love a Palin supporter to walk me through each decision she has made since losing the 08 election and explain to me how it was done not to advance a media/pundit/popstar career, but instead to further a political one.

I defy you.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (nRTou)

905 Oh, sure, politicians always get broken by ethic complaints and resign their office after only two years in a genius plan to win the presidency.

Sure.

Classic strategy. I think Teddy Roosevelt first did it when he quit the Chief of Police of New York City and took a gig as a wildlife writer for Harper's.

WHAT?!!

What is it that is so difficult to understand that if some bloggers broke you in alaska you don't get to be presidenti?!!

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (nj1bB)

906 @ 890 -- Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell
you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!,"
and here we are.


People like me, who once defended Palin against all comers always assumed there was a certain savvy beneath all the folksiness -- a switchblade hidden in the overalls -- and that it would come out in a devastating way when called for. That's what makes prairie populism effective; gulling your opposition into painting you as a wide-eyed bumpkin only to slip a blade into their ribcage while they're having a laugh.

That has never materialized. And had she spent the time since 2008 developing that kind of killer instinct as opposed to a parking lot brawler, I'd still be defending her as doggedly as I did back then. But, I have yet to see any evidence that she's honed that skill. In fact, it seems to me that she's actively resisted it out of some sense of loyalty to her true-believing base -- as if immersing herself in the art of political combat at the national level would be a betrayal to her stump speech persona.

Now, I'm actually skeptical as to whether or not she's capable of it. She's still a young woman and has time to correct that issue. But, right now, she seems content to lob grenades into the fray from the sidelines without regard to who gets taken out. And that has a way of alienating people.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (+iwM3)

907 What annoys me about Palin is that she doesn't sound like a leader. She sounds like a cheerleader.

Posted by: Edgie at September 03, 2011 10:29 PM (kAvZF)

908 Let's see if I've got the rules straight:

1. Ripping Perry for his substandard GPA: A-OK!
2. Ripping Palin for her going to colleges most people haven't heard of: DO NOT!

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:29 PM (TUax9)

909 No, for god's sake, no. He's simply saying that a lot of Palin-skeptics phrase their opposition to her in neutral, non-offensive terms such as "the polls say she can't win" or "she doesn't have enough experience in office." (Of course, Palinistas inevitably shriek that EVEN THIS is 'too personal' and 'unfair,' which sort of proves the point.)
See what I mean?Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah, you've always been one of the best at keeping your opposition to her neutral and non-offensive, right? Good job.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:30 PM (hfrm2)

910 I got an A in Rape.

Posted by: Rick Perry at September 03, 2011 10:30 PM (nj1bB)

911 Oh and just as an aside, if I actually gave a rip about which college a presidential candidate went to, there is no way in hell I could support Perry, because he went to agricultural.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:32 PM (TUax9)

912 context much?? taht was in reference to someone polling down by ron paul atm. if perry was sucking hindtit i wouldnt be trolling around tearing other candidates down
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:15 PM (xAq1C)
Um, could someone translate that for me?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:33 PM (hfrm2)

913 Here we go with the quit the Governorship crap.
What part of NO other good options is tough to understand.
She was being bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits heaped upon her by Obamas goons, all of which were dismissed, but due to Alaskas ethics laws she was forced to defend against each uncalled for one.
The time and energy required to defend against these never ending accusations was harming her ability to govern in her state, which has unique executive powers and responsibilities.

She picked a successor who would further her agenda, set himself up for re-election and free the Governorship to govern again while freeing herself to be able to stabilize her personal financial situation in face of an unrelenting legal attack by friends of Barrack Hussein Obama.

Wait until his goons are turned lose on the next nominee lets hope to hell they are fully vetted.

I believe they will be because it may well be Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (tHnoW)

914 >>>Yeah, you've always been one of the best at keeping your opposition to her neutral and non-offensive, right? Good job.

No, I haven't -- and it's caused friction here in the past. That's utterly beside the point, though. The point is that many people who are NOT me (we've already established that I have a mild 'rhetorical filter' problem) feel compelled to phrase their objections to Palin in very neutral terms because they don't want to get into the real, visceral reasons they find her wildly unacceptable. That includes Ace as well, who I've noticed never puts these sorts of objections to Palin in his actual posts (where most people will read), but rather saves them for the comments (where fewer will see).

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (hIWe1)

915 Neon Yellow gloves must be really slippery.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (GULKT)

916 >>>People like me, who once defended Palin against all comers always assumed there was a certain savvy beneath all the folksiness -- a switchblade hidden in the overalls -- and that it would come out in a devastating way when called for. That's what makes prairie populism effective; gulling your opposition into painting you as a wide-eyed bumpkin only to slip a blade into their ribcage while they're having a laugh.

Right, I thought this until she quit the governorship.

Politics is tough. It's not for everybody.

I am still perplexed at how the one who quit gets the Opposite Day slogan "She's the only one who'll FIGHT!"

Fight? Is that what we call it now?

She quit. Her job. As Governor. The thing that qualified her to be president? yeah, she quit that.

Partly based on the fact she didn't want to do it anymore, partly to make her family some money (fine), and partly because of some annoying bloggers throwing ethics complaints at her.

Quick, let's make her Commander in Chief of the Free Fucking World.

Before someone else snaps her up.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:35 PM (nj1bB)

917 Neon Yellow gloves must be really slippery

----

How about Georgia? Congratulations, fellas - you somehow look worse than Boise State.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:36 PM (nRTou)

918 Hmm...an Ace that's more grumpy and sullen than Allahpundit.

What'sa matter Ace?

Did somebody steal your last beer?


Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 03, 2011 10:36 PM (1GunI)

919 917 Let's see if I've got the rules straight:

1. Ripping Perry for his substandard GPA: A-OK!
2. Ripping Palin for her going to colleges most people haven't heard of: DO NOT!

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:29 PM (TUax9)

Uh, I applied to one of those colleges and considered another, so get off that stupid point already. And I've never ripped on the GPA, I'm the one who said it's photoshopped.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at September 03, 2011 10:38 PM (xc/va)

920 >>> Here we go with the quit the Governorship crap.
What part of NO other good options is tough to understand.

Right, the poor powerless governor. Why, the story is sadder than Anne Frank in the attic.

>>>She was being bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits heaped upon her by Obamas goons, all of which were dismissed,

Um, they got dismissed, but they were killing her.

>>> but due to Alaskas ethics laws she was forced to defend against each uncalled for one.

Um, whatevs. And she had a legal defense fund, and frankly, I think this has become Palin Lore, that it was sooo expensive to just write REPLIES TO COMPLAINTS and etc.

So she quit. Rather than, say, changing the law, she quit.

Because that's what fighters do, they quit. They let the other guys win, let them drive them out.

And then we make them President!!!!

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:39 PM (nj1bB)

921 Is TPaw still running?

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:39 PM (OhYCU)

922 ace, you know damn well that there was no way she could afford to stay in the governorship. That was the plan of the Obamabots all along.

Your adding the "make more money" and "she didn't want to do it anymore" is just pure fantasy, thrown out there to make her look bad.

I seriously thought you could make a decent case without this crap. Guess I overestimated you.

Think I will call it a night. All I am doing is raising my blood pressure and getting myself worked up, which is not helpful.

Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (Fo83G)

923 ace@897,

Laughable. No context yet again on the circumstances of her resigning. She just upped and left because of the pressure!eleventy! No note of SLAPP suits in play. No indication that her hands were legally bound for her own defense. No mention of the fund that she tried to create for legal defense was disallowed. No word about how her resignation removed the political circus from her office to the benefit of AK. Nope. In the disingenuous world of O'Spades, Palin wussed out.

What a pathetic argument. Some of your positions are clearly debatable. I disagree with most but the views can be argued. But that "quitting" meme is straight out of the fetid swamps of HuffPo. That's a sin of omission that really needs work.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (r4t7/)

924 I guess we are too scared to talk about policy here?

Does anyone know anything about eliminating corp income taxes?

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (OhYCU)

925
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (tHnoW)

wouldnt a "good option" have been to work the legislature to change what is obviously a bad law? she was the governor and a popular one at that. pointing out flaws in that law and working to change them would have shown some leadership. she took the easy way out.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:41 PM (xAq1C)

926 Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:39 PM (nj1bB)

Man if you had written this shit way upthread, I'd put the over/under on the number of times a Palinista says "rent free in your head" at about 250.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:41 PM (TUax9)

927 She quit.

SHE QUIT.

Deal with it.

The one thing that even made her qualified in the first place -- she quit!

By the way, this lawsuit bullshit? This was brought up as a minor point in her resignation speech.

It Palin Lore it has become the Ring of Sauron.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:41 PM (nj1bB)

928 Chas,

What? The governor of a state has no power to get the laws changed. That's crazy!

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:42 PM (nj1bB)

929 Cherry pie, do you have anything useful to say?

...

Obviously not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 10:42 PM (Gc/Qi)

930 That includes Ace as well, who I've noticed never puts these sorts of objections to Palin in his actual posts (where most people will read), but rather saves them for the comments (where fewer will see).
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah, we know everyone comes here for the posts, and most don't read the comments.
Some of you should think before you comment.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (hfrm2)

931 Does anyone know anything about eliminating corp income taxes?

Not a bad idea to consider.

True conservatives, though, impose windfall taxes on major industries in their states. At least, that's what I've heard.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (Jvdxe)

932 Changing the law? Have you lost your mind tonight?
The Governor gets to change the law in the midst of ethics frivolous complaints against her?
Hell Clintoon would have loved that option, the prisons are full of folks that would love to change the law, but somehow I suspect that is not one of the powers the governor of Alaska has exclusively.

Of course I could be wrong about that too.
I just wish she would have changed a law to make her POTUS.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (tHnoW)

933
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (r4t7/)

none of that is why she quit. she quit because she didnt wanna be a lame duck governor and be forced to travel or some such. i dont know, reading the resignation speech just doesnt fully explain any of it.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (xAq1C)

934 "Cherry pie, do you have anything useful to say? "

Is that in the AoS TOC? My wife says no. So does my ex-wife.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:44 PM (OhYCU)

935 >>> But that "quitting" meme

The "quitting" "MEME," you call it.

Right. It's just a meme. She didn't quit. I dreamt it, dude.

Okay. It's just a 'meme." Straight out of HuffPo.

Um, let's get this straight:

Like a hundred other governors she faced legal adversity. Unlike a hundred other governors, she QUIT, but we're never supposed to say that, because she didn't quit, she was HOUNDED FROM OFFICE, fighting all the way.


Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:44 PM (nj1bB)

936 @ 931 -- The only thing standing between Palin and having her legal bills taken care of was the word "Official". She screwed up and named her legal defense fund "The 'Official' Palin Defense Fund". Had she chosen another name for it -- something like "The Justice for Sarah Fund" or something along those lines, she could have tapped into an ENORMOUS donor pool. But, rather than go through the trouble of returning the money to the donors of the original fund an re-establishing a new one, she opted to quit. It's just that simple. One word stood in the way of her hiring high-powered attorneys to combat all the suits filed against her, but she just couldn't be bothered to do that.

Simply put, it was easier and more lucrative to walk away and rake in the dough that would've gone to the legal defense fund.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:45 PM (+iwM3)

937 @928Uh, I applied to one of those colleges and considered another, so get off that stupid point already.

Damn, I didn't realize you made up "most people." And somebody else ripped on the GPA.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:46 PM (TUax9)

938
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (tHnoW)

yeah, governors work w/ legislatures to change laws. she had a perfect example of how those ethics laws arent working as intended. that they allow frivolous complaints. most alaskans would agree it needs to be changed. she didnt even try.

your over the top shrill response and "examples" of others who would like to have laws change shows you are sputtering and have no answer. bad laws are changed all the time,

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:46 PM (xAq1C)

939 QUITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's all play along. (I do this when the kids start screaming and won't shutup)

QUITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:46 PM (OhYCU)

940
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:42 PM (nj1bB)

im guessing that was sarcasm, but not sure.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:47 PM (xAq1C)

941 >>>Changing the law? Have you lost your mind tonight?>>>The Governor gets to change the law in the midst of ethics frivolous complaints against her?

Umm...no. The governor deals with the complaints already before them, and gets the legislature to change the law to bar frivolous complaints going forward. Remember, Palin's defenders don't claim that the few ethics complaints that had ALREADY been filed (and would subsequently be dismissed with a minimum of expense and legal fuss) were such an insurmountable issue...rather, it was the threat of an endless stream of complaints stretching to the end of time.

Seriously, this isn't hard to comprehend. So either you're simply bog-ignorant of how legislation (or law) works, or you're so wedded to you "poor persecuted Sarah" narrative that you've smoothed over the major gaps in the story.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:49 PM (hIWe1)

942 Goodnight and Goodbye. It's been nice knowing you. Sort of.

Posted by: Cooper at September 03, 2011 10:49 PM (7LUxO)

943 I'm just asking, because if your purpose is to defend Palin, you might consider changing strategy.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (Gc/Qi)

944 I'm thinking the corp income tax thingie and the crony thingie has the Romney and Perry people in a panic spiral.

But, mostly Obama.

wait... I mean QUITTER!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (OhYCU)

945 >>>The only thing standing between Palin and having her legal bills taken
care of was the word "Official". She screwed up and named her legal
defense fund "The 'Official' Palin Defense Fund". Had she chosen
another name for it -- something like "The Justice for Sarah Fund" or
something along those lines, she could have tapped into an ENORMOUS
donor pool. But, rather than go through the trouble of returning the
money to the donors of the original fund an re-establishing a new one,
she opted to quit. It's just that simple. One word stood in the way of
her hiring high-powered attorneys to combat all the suits filed against
her, but she just couldn't be bothered to do that.
I'm copying and bolding this post because the IT NEEDS TO BE REPEATED.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (hIWe1)

946 Seriously, this isn't hard to comprehend. So either
you're simply bog-ignorant of how legislation (or law) works, or you're
so wedded to you "poor persecuted Sarah" narrative that you've smoothed
over the major gaps in the story.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:49 PM (hIWe1)
Not to mention I believe the law under which the complaints were filed wascoughPalin's reform law

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (8Zpuz)

947 Like a hundred other governors she faced legal adversity. Unlike a hundred other governors, she QUIT, but we're never supposed to say that, because she didn't quit, she was HOUNDED FROM OFFICE, fighting all the way.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:44 PM (nj1bB)
Name the hundred other governors that have faced what she faced when she went back after the campaign. Come on, Ace, tell us about . Tell us how a hundred other governors found themselves a half million dollars in personal debt and facing bankruptcy. Tell us how the hundred other govenors had the WA machine out to destory them,. Come on Ace. Tell us.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (hfrm2)

948 I'm copying and bolding this post because the IT NEEDS TO BE REPEATED.


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (hIWe1)
By the power of Grayskull, really? That's all?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (8Zpuz)

949 your over the top shrill response and "examples" of others who would
like to have laws change shows you are sputtering and have no answer.
bad laws are changed all the time,

You could be right I guess I am not aware of any governors changing laws, when suits have been filed against them by lawmakers of the other party and their agents, but of course in the parallel universe I have witnessed here tonight it sure as hell could have happened.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (tHnoW)

950 952, "if your purpose is to defend Palin, you might consider changing strategy."

I like the 3 front runners and would vote for any of them. It's all good.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (OhYCU)

951 I'm thinking the corp income tax thingie and the crony thingie has the Romney and Perry people in a panic spiral.

You really don't want to get started on the crony thing.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 10:52 PM (Jvdxe)

952 All I saw was a politican that didn't just take time, but was not afraid to connect with "hobbits" in the rain....and she spoke to them about crony capitalism. I think that's specific.


Posted by: ltw at September 03, 2011 10:53 PM (Cbief)

953 ace: "Um, whatevs. And she had a legal defense fund, and frankly, I think
this has become Palin Lore, that it was sooo expensive to just write
REPLIES TO COMPLAINTS and etc."

Her legal defense fund was disallowed. Can you not get that through your thickening head? The Alaska Fund Trust was determined to be an "ethics violation" and she had to return contributions. I know. I had mine returned.

But Palin was supposed to stay in office and get personally bankrupted multiple times over without government support and she was to keep AK functioning at top speed even though she's be living in a courtroom.

Keep fuckin' that chicken, Ace.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:53 PM (r4t7/)

954 almost at 1000.

QUITTER!!!!!

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (OhYCU)

955
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (tHnoW)

neat little trick there. cause if it isnt the exact same situation then it just possibly cant be done. after 15 frivolous complaints you have a damn good case that its a bad law. she was very popular and had a republican legislature. no reason at all not to try and fix a law which she pushed for in the first place.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:55 PM (xAq1C)

956 @960 Please do.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:55 PM (TUax9)

957 almost at 1000. QUITTER!!!!!
Posted by: cherry đ at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (OhYCU)
First time I've laughed through this entire thread.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:56 PM (hfrm2)

958 Her legal defense fund was disallowed. Can you not get that through your
thickening head? The Alaska Fund Trust was determined to be an "ethics
violation" and she had to return contributions. I know. I had mine
returned.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE PLEASE READ POST #954 THAT I EXPRESSLY COPIED AND BOLDED FOR PURPOSES OF RESPONDING TO *EXACTLY THIS SORT OF BULLSHIT*.

Then, refute THAT if you can. (But you can't! Because it's true!)

(I predict complete silence from you in response.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:56 PM (hIWe1)

959 Did she TRY to get the law changed?

Did she TRY to set up a differently-named legal defense fund?

Did she TRY to get a law passed clarifying her legal defense fund was fine as it was?

Did she do ANY of these things?

Did they change this unjust-on-its-face law after she quit? If not, how does the current Governor survive? If so, why couldn't she get it done?

This was a PRETEXT. She didn't want to be governor anymore. In her resignation statement, she said as much. This bit about the lawsuits was point 3.

But because you didn't like points 1 and 2, you ignore them, and claim it was all about Point 3.

Someone claimed it would be politically harmful to get an unjust-on-its-face law changed.

She figured it was LESS politically harmful to resign, huh?

Was that a good political calculation?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:59 PM (nj1bB)

960 The corp income tax thingie will ensure that Palin can match Obama's $1 BILLION campaign war chest.

This will also create millions of new jobs. MILLIONS.

This will scare the pants off all candidates.

Sorry that ace missed it.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 10:59 PM (OhYCU)

961 Ok then, all is right and as it should be.

And seriously, I'm a Palin fan, I'm not saying I agree with the arguments Ace has put up against her, but they're out there, and her supporters can't ignore them. More importantly, SHE hasn't really changed the image she created the last time she stood for election. I think her time for doing so has come and gone.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 11:01 PM (Gc/Qi)

962 Ok I call BS @693 is socking me I have not posted on this thread (hell, I'm still reading it!) till now. And FWIW I'm a Perry supporter.

Damn. Some serious Palinista trolling.

Posted by: small town girl at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (aEq91)

963 ace: "But that 'quitting' meme



The 'quitting' 'MEME,' you call it..."

OK, fine. "Narrative" if you prefer. She quit with heavy context. The "meme" is that she just upped and left because of public pressure that politicians meet with all the time. And you push it like HuffPo. Except they don't and you know it. She was personally savaged with dozens of suits lined up to bankrupt her and keep her from working and she was in a government structure that essentially kept her from defending herself. Name one other politician that had a scenario like hers. Just one.

And what would you have done were you in her shoes and needed to balance the needs of her state, her family, and her life? I've asked you before, but I don't think I've ever gotten a response. Maybe someone said, "Well, she asked for the job. She should just stay in the kitchen no matter how hot." Is that your answer?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (r4t7/)

964 >>>no reason at all not to try and fix a law which she pushed for in the first place.

Right. Except the lawsuits weren't the reason she quit. She decided she just didn't want to be governor anymore, and there were better opportunities for her.

But let's retire the myth of Saint Sarah on the Burning Pyre of Ethics Complaints.

Everything, you see, is someone else's fault; it is all persecution and Good Ol' Boys' Clubs trying to keep the maverick girl down.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB)

965 Then, refute THAT if you can. (But you can't! Because it's true!)(I predict complete silence from you in response.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:56 PM (hIWe1)
I'll refute it, Mr. Smarterthantheentirefuckingworld. For one thing, she didn't start the fund, and wasn't legally able to be involved in it as governor. So she wasn't, but she still got drug through the mud about it. They dissolved it and did return all the funds, but it was forzen for months while the legality of it was hashed out.
Like I said up thread. Some of you only think you know what the fuck you're talking about and facts are just bullshit.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (hfrm2)

966 Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:55 PM (xAq1C)

You are simply mistaken here. When she returned to Alaska the long knives were out for her and Obama had summoned the Democrats to an all out assualt. She had very little chance of getting anything through that legislature anymore especially something that would be of personal benefit to her.

This should be instructive to any potential nominee as to the lengths the Obamabots will go to destroy our future nominee so the vetting had best be done now and be thorough because the lies will be bad enough, the truths that are dug up and not vetted before nomination will be killers.
Who running now could withstand the vetting of 30,000 inter office emails? For Instance?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (tHnoW)

967
Posted by: cherry đ at September 03, 2011 10:59 PM (OhYCU)

true dat!! it amazes me how all the other GOP candidates are slamming her for it and saying how they want to double it!!

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (xAq1C)

968 >>>Name one other politician that had a scenario like hers. Just one.

Um, presumably her successor in office, who labors under this unchanged, and patently unjust law, which cannot possibly be fixed.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (nj1bB)

969 I wonder why ace isn't talking about policy. ace, you are a bad boy and need to be spanked.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:04 PM (OhYCU)

970 I forgot... QUITTER!!!!

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:05 PM (OhYCU)

971 >>>The corp income tax thingie will ensure that Palin can match Obama's $1 BILLION campaign war chest.

This is trolling, right?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (hIWe1)

972 Right. Except the lawsuits weren't the reason she quit. She decided she just didn't want to be governor anymore, and there were better opportunities for her.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB)
Another one of those facts, I see, since you know what's in her mind and all.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (hfrm2)

973 >>>You are simply mistaken here. When she returned to Alaska the long knives were out for her and Obama had summoned the Democrats to an all out assualt. She had very little chance of getting anything through that legislature anymore especially something that would be of personal benefit to her.

Right. Obama controlled the Republican legislature.

And she couldn't have just gotten a name-change on the legal defense fund.

Or just waited until the judge ruled it perfectly legal (as he did like seven months later).

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nj1bB)

974
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (tHnoW)

BS, her ratings were high all the way up to june 09



http://tinyurl.com/445caxg


Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:07 PM (xAq1C)

975 ace: "Um, presumably her successor in office, who labors
under this unchanged, and patently unjust law, which cannot possibly be
fixed."

Please list the lawsuits against Governor Parnell.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:07 PM (r4t7/)

976 jeff, have you thought the issue through? It hasn't been discussed because the Perry and Romney people have gone batshit insane and are slinging quitty poo.

What will corporations think of eliminating the income tax? Who will they funnel money to for 2012?

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:09 PM (OhYCU)

977 Today marks the day that I officially became anti-Palin.

First I was a big supporter.

Then I became a little curious with her decisions.

Then I became concerned with the direction she was taking.

Then I became annoyed by this tease-the-party nonsense.

Now I'm done.

Now, Palinistas - please tell me how unreasonable I'm being and how I don't understand the political brilliance of this strategy while her support has completely tanked, with only 10% wanting her to run. Either this entire 3-year ordeal was a gigantic political miscalculation or she was actively seeking 10% support all along.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:10 PM (nRTou)

978 >>>Another one of those facts, I see, since you know what's in her mind and all.

I know for months before she resigned there was talk that she would leave the governorship for Fox or some other money-making venture.

Further, I know the Ring of Sauron you fixate on -- the lawsuits -- was a small point she made. Her primary point was that she had already decided not to seek another term anyway, and serving out the rest of her term with this knowledge would make her a lame duck. (Um-- anyone not running again is a lame duck, but they don't usually quit.)

She then said she had a capable Lt Gov in Parnell and knew he would do everything right anyway. (Except he opposes her two signature accomplishments, and further, if he's just as good as she is, what is the point of her? Can we get him? Is he available?)

Then she brought up the lawsuits, which, the Palin Apologists maintain, must be the most important part of this, as she mentioned it last and didn't talk about it very long.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:10 PM (nj1bB)

979 ace: "Or just waited until the judge ruled it perfectly legal (as he did like seven months later)."

Was this before or well after she resigned because the number of suits (each of which were going to need to be addressed) and the bills were running up?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:10 PM (r4t7/)

980 Um, presumably her successor in office, who labors under this unchanged, and patently unjust law, which cannot possibly be fixed.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (nj1bB)
Wrong. The law was changed after she left office, and it was changed so that any other governor who was charged with ethics violations would have their legal fees paid by the state, and one of the reasons was that no other governor would have to endure what she did, and face possible bankruptcy in the process.
Facts. Get ya some.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:11 PM (hfrm2)

981 >>>Wrong. The law was changed after she left office, and it was changed so that any other governor who was charged with ethics violations would have their legal fees paid by the state, and one of the reasons was that no other governor would have to endure what she did, and face possible bankruptcy in the process.

Ah. Obviously it was impossible to fix this law while Palin was in office.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (nj1bB)

982 http://tinyurl.com/3oht82x

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (xAq1C)

983 Except he opposes her two signature accomplishments

ACES and?

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (TUax9)

984
guess sarah just couldnt wait a few months for things to change

http://tinyurl.com/3oht82x

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (xAq1C)

985 >>>What will corporations think of eliminating the income tax? Who will they funnel money to for 2012?

They'll funnel money to the candidate that looks most likely to win. They won't waste their time on a candidate with no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency, and whom most of them don't respect anyway.

It amazes me that none of this has ever occurred to you. It's like the world has passed you by.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hIWe1)

986 Or just waited until the judge ruled it perfectly legal (as he did like seven months later).
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nj1bB)
No. They had to return all the funds, because it was ruled illegal.
Again, facts. Get ya some.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hfrm2)

987 Oily,

He's not big on the trans alaskan pipeline. It's not so much as he's opposed, so much as he's apparently just let it go by the wayside.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (nj1bB)

988 @ 974
-- There was nothing stopping another defense fund from being established. Another, properly named one (that didn't carry any implication of "official" state involvement in its title) could have survived any challenge.

At that time, she had a bottomless reserve of goodwill among conservative donor-types. Had it been established, there's virtually no limit as to how much money could've been raised on her behalf in the political climate that had settled over the nation between then and now. In all likelihood, she would've received more money than she ever would've needed to fight the charges.

A good attorney could've dragged the cases on and on in the courts with continuances, discovery process, and all manner of legal challenges and won a battle of attrition with the plaintiffs. But, I suspect the thinking was, "Why go to the trouble of raising all this money to spend on legal fees if that money is out there to be tapped for more enjoyable purposes?"

This wasn't a matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty. It was a matter of shifting priorities.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (+iwM3)

989 995
Or just waited until the judge ruled it perfectly legal (as he did like seven months later).


Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nj1bB)
No. They had to return all the funds, because it was ruled illegal.
Again, facts. Get ya some.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hfrm2)
Then re-name the defense fund and start again. It's not that hard.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (XYpRn)

990 Ace cwying into his beer...again, soooo sowwwwy bud

Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (P2T20)

991 The corp income tax thingie will ensure that Palin can match Obama's $1 BILLION campaign war chest.

Yay! Palin called for the end of a tax.

Ignored: while in office, Palin increased taxes. When she was mayor of Wasilla, she raised taxes to build a sports complex. Also, the town had a bigger deficit when she left than it did when she took office. She also hired a legal firm to make sure Wasilla got its fair share of our taxes through earmarks.

As governor, she imposed a windfall tax on oil companies. They still count as corporations, right? She said no corporate taxes today. I bet the oil companies wish she had come to that conclusion a lot earlier, huh?

But hey, she said some words today and stuff. Never mind what she actually did when she had the power to cut taxes.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (Jvdxe)

992 Jeff B. I remember the so-called "investigative report" or some such nonsense that was held to see if you legal defense fund was indeed, legal. An attorney from a law firm with Obama connections was used, no? That fund was set up with the help of 2 different outside law firms. She did not name it. The outcome of the "report" stated the fund was legal but if she used it to pay for defense then people could file ethics complaint against the very act of using itmaking it a catch-22 and it was abandoned.
Is Ace ok ? Sometime back in the near past in Alaska there must have been an incident with Ace and Todd Palin and cornflakes and pee. Is that the issue? I only ask because ACEis the last person that I would think who would force political opinions on people, but so it goes I guess.
Her speech today was pretty good, and she is not going to badmouth the concern trolls and detractors of her "image" .
Her main message is on the side of her bus after all: One Nation.
Today she attacked the Establishment and Obama, and sorta gave Maxine a go to hell shout out and said she is not for sale, and that right now that Washington IS for sale and she is going to stop it. Along with the patriots that are called the Tea Party, it was a breath of fresh air speech and I like it and I am a supporter and hope that she runs.

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at September 03, 2011 11:15 PM (7U2lm)

993 994, ummm... nevermind, I thought we could have a serious policy discussion, but I see you have gone batshit insane

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:15 PM (OhYCU)

994 So of her two big accomplishments, her successor is reversing one, and is punting on the other.

But we should just keep talking up those accomplishments.

Even though by quitting she has undone them.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:15 PM (nj1bB)

995 >>>As governor, she imposed a windfall tax on oil companies. They still
count as corporations, right? She said no corporate taxes today. I bet
the oil companies wish she had come to that conclusion a lot earlier,
huh?

Slub, that oil belonged to the people of the state of Alaska! They had a right to that money!

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:16 PM (hIWe1)

996 994
>>>What will corporations think of eliminating the income tax? Who will they funnel money to for 2012?

They'll
funnel money to the candidate that looks most likely to win. They
won't waste their time on a candidate with no chance of winning the
nomination, much less the presidency, and whom most of them don't
respect anyway.

It amazes me that none of this has ever occurred to you. It's like the world has passed you by.


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hIWe1)
Not to mention that some corporations like the current system of high corporate taxes with loopholes that benefit them and not their competition. Some corporations like things the way they are. Once you're at the top, you pull that ladder up.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 11:17 PM (XYpRn)

997 When she was mayor of Wasilla, she raised taxes to build a sports complex.

In fairness, didn't the citizens pass a ballot measure to raise taxes to fund the sports thingy?

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:17 PM (TUax9)

998 Slub, that oil belonged to the people of the state of Alaska! They had a right to that money!

That's right I forgot!

There's wealth in those oil fields. Gotta "spread it around," right?

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:18 PM (Jvdxe)

999 Not interested in this insanity anymore tonight.
Drove 6 hours today, sat in the rain for two, listened to a bunch of inspiring speakers, soloists, comedians and a very fine potential Presidential candidate who happens to be one of, if not the most conservative one running.
Gave an interview to ABC after.
Am tired, am amazed at the vitriol and phony accusations being pushed here.

Just know your flavor of the day will face the same and hope they can withstand it.
Not by me but by the Socialists, unless of course they are perceived to be perfectly defeatable without it.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 11:18 PM (tHnoW)

1000 Ah. Obviously it was impossible to fix this law while Palin was in office.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (nj1bB)
Uh, yeah. How do you change the ethics laws when you are being sued for ethics violations damn near every freakin week?? Yeah, that would go over real well. Everyone would be on board for that wouldn't they?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:19 PM (hfrm2)

1001 1000, When she was mayor of Wasilla, she raised taxes to build a sports complex.

You really don't know anything do you? I could help you out with this, but you won't listen. You can Google it. But, you wont.

ummm... QUITTER!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:19 PM (OhYCU)

1002 Uh, yeah.    How do you change the ethics laws when you are being sued for ethics violations damn near every freakin week??    Yeah, that would go over real well.   Everyone would be on board for that wouldn't they?
------
Ah, wasn't it Palin's law they were using to sue her?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (nRTou)

1003 In fairness, I think the corporations DID arrange sweet kickback-heavy deals in which they paid alaska too little for oil but got paid under the table themselves.

I wouldn't object to "raising taxes" on oil because it's not really a tax, it's called a tax, but what it is is what Alaska charges you to extract the oil it owns.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (nj1bB)

1004 ace: "Ah. Obviously it was impossible to fix this law while Palin was in office."

Well it would have appeared wholly and unethically self-serving because she advocated, or hoisted, the law which became her petard. How could she win an argument wherein she immediately pushes to dump a reform she just thought would be productive to ethics in government? Do you think she could have just said, "Hey, guys, let's tweak this reform bill so SLAPP suits don't bankrupt the sitting guv." Do you honestly think she could have proposed that given what you know about the atmosphere around her post-VP run? That it wouldn't be seen as hypocritical, self-serving, or corrupt?

And again, what would you have done in her shoes?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (r4t7/)

1005
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:18 PM (Jvdxe)

yeah, lets talk about the permanent fund, taxes from the oil companies being distributed to alaska residents. since that is built into the price of oil we are basically subsidizing a $1200 payment to every alaskan each year.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (xAq1C)

1006 >>>h, yeah. How do you change the ethics laws when you are being sued for ethics violations damn near every freakin week?? Yeah, that would go over real well.

Quitting went over better, huh?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (nj1bB)

1007 994, ummm... nevermind, I thought we could have a serious policy discussion, but I see you have gone batshit insane

Wait, so having a realistic understanding of how corporate campaign money flows in elections is now called "going batshit insane?"

Even if Sarah Palin were to somehow become President, it's not like she can wave a wand and magically do away with the corporate income tax. She would have to get the House and the Senate to pass such a bill. That would be politically toxic ("Republicans selling out to big business!!") and isn't going to happen. All serious corporate donors know this. Therefore, Palin's pie-in-the-sky promise isn't going to motivate them to donate jack shit.

If I promised to change the laws to give you a unicorn in return for a thousand dollars, would you give me the money? No. Because you know full well that I can't possibly deliver on my promise. Palin's talk of zeroing out the corporate income tax rate is just more unicorn-talk. Nobody smart enough to be sitting on a pile of Crazy Corporate Money is going to be stupid enough to donate to her on the basis of such a bullshit promise.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (hIWe1)

1008 >>>And again, what would you have done in her shoes?


I guess I would have quit, as that is obviously the most politically advantageous maneuver.

I mean, trying to change a patently unjust law would have *looked bad,* even though, apparently, it was widely accepted the law was unjust, and she was still popular there.

So, of course, the only possible move is to quit.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (nj1bB)

1009 You really don't know anything do you? I could help you out with this,
but you won't listen. You can Google it. But, you wont.

Oh, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that Palin led the charge for the tax increase and campaigned for it. Oh, and got the city involved in an eminent domain dispute in the process that cost them a bunch in legal fees.

But, other than that, I know nothing about this, I guess. I should have used google. But, darnit, I went to Lexis/Nexis instead. Bad..bad..database!

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (Jvdxe)

1010 Today she attacked the Establishment and Obama, and sorta gave Maxine a
go to hell shout out and said she is not for sale, and that right now
that Washington IS for sale and she is going to stop it.

Not picking on you Tom, but can somebody define the establishment for me? I hear this banality thrown around a lot by the Palinistas and true conservatives, but can't get a definitive measure of it. I know Rove, Castle, Krauthammer, NRO, and The Weekly Standard are certainly establishment. I think you guys consider Orrin Hatch establishment, but he's a good establishment. What about Jim DeMint? He's been in DC longer than Obama. That makes him establishment, right? Perry- he's gotta be establishment with hair like that. Bachmann's establishment since she started stealing Palin's thunder, correct? What about Ron Paul? He's been in Congress forever, but he bucks the party line.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (TUax9)

1011 Rick Perry will never be POTUS....deal with it folks

Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 11:24 PM (P2T20)

1012
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (TUax9)

the establishment is whoever sarah is attacking atm. it wasnt john mccain in 2010 or orrin hatch just recently though.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:24 PM (xAq1C)

1013 I used to be a big Palin fan, but that this point, she offers...nothing.
We have a legitimate, electable conservative in the race in Rick Perry, so she doesn't fill a void in the field. Over half of Republicans don't want her to run, let alone nominate her.
She doesn't have near the executive experience of lame candidates like Huntsman and Romney, to say nothing of Perry's 11 years as a governor, so she doesn't offer credentials.
She consistently polls worse againstObama than any other candidate, so she doesn't offer electability. Even if she were to run and win the nomination, the campaign would be a referendum on her (the media and Obama would make sure of that), when the campaign should be a referendum on the incumbent.
Plus, this will she/won't she tease act is beyond old - it's annoying, and I am really starting to dislike her and wish she would go away. At this point, I think she's simply an attention whore who can't stand it when cameras aren't following her around and talking heads aren't babbling about her on news shows.
She hurts the conservative movement, the Tea Party, and the GOP more than she helps. Hopefully, she'll realize that and go home to Wasilla or Arizona...or wherever the hell she's living these days.

Posted by: DRayRaven at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (4kYSc)

1014 Nobody smart enough to be sitting on a pile of Crazy Corporate Money is going to be stupid enough to donate to her on the basis of such a bullshit promise.
------
That is, if they actually thought she was running.

"Thanks for inviting me to this Tea Party event. I have nothing to announce at this time, but please donate to SarahPAC!"

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (nRTou)

1015 I know we should all just vote for Perry the alien-hugger and be done with it.

Posted by: noislamocommie at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (Uuurq)

1016 In fairness, didn't the citizens pass a ballot measure to raise taxes to fund the sports thingy?
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:17 PM (TUax9)
yes, it was a ballot measure, and the tax has since been rescinded because the complex has been paid off iirc.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (hfrm2)

1017 This place is like a clown circus tonight. Let's get back to boobies.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (OhYCU)

1018 @ 1001 -- The outcome of the "report" stated the fund was legal but if she used it
to pay for defense then people could file ethics complaint against the
very act of using itmaking it a catch-22 and it was abandoned.

That's because the word "official" implied to donors that it was a state-sanctioned fund, and ethics law wouldn't allow it. Had a completely different fund been established with a name that didn't imply state sanctioning, it would have withstood challenges.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:26 PM (+iwM3)

1019 1025, "the tax has since been rescinded because the complex has been paid off iirc."

Please stop with facts and such. Stop it right now.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:27 PM (OhYCU)

1020
Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 11:24 PM (P2T20)

exactly!! not a chance in hell

http://tinyurl.com/3z22pvt

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:27 PM (xAq1C)

1021 >>> Rick Perry will never be POTUS....deal with it folks

And one time, they claimed I would never be Rape Coordinator for the Southwestern United States, too.

Posted by: Rick Perry at September 03, 2011 11:28 PM (nj1bB)

1022 1017
>>>And again, what would you have done in her shoes?








I guess I would have quit, as that is obviously the most politically advantageous maneuver.





I mean, trying to change a patently unjust law would have *looked bad,*
even though, apparently, it was widely accepted the law was unjust, and
she was still popular there.





So, of course, the only possible move is to quit.







Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (nj1bB)
She quit to prove she's a fighter.

Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 11:28 PM (XYpRn)

1023 Quitting went over better, huh?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (nj1bB)
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Her choice was better for her state and her family whether you liked it or not.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (hfrm2)

1024 >>>She quit to prove she's a fighter.

And prove it she did -- just look at how she took the fight right to Rick Santorum's doorstep.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (hIWe1)

1025 Then re-name the defense fund and start again. It's not that hard.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (XYpRn)
Because doing that would never ever result in another ethics charge right?
This is really getting as tedious as going over the fricking 2010 Delaware Senate elections for the 8,000th time.
She's not running.Since so many things are being brought up as either qualifiers or disqualifiers to her running, they become moot when looked at it from this fact. If threads about her are kept to a minimum threads about otherpoliticians aren't ended with a paragraph blurb about her to immediately derail the thread, and critics don't go off on a conitinuous rant the second someone else mentions her, then we should be able to greatly reduce the effects, and we can get back to bashing candidates that are actually running.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (GULKT)

1026 You massagenists are just trying to stand in the way of her Historic Presidency.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (OhYCU)

1027 Damn Dirty RINO: "In all likelihood, she would've received more money than she ever would've needed to fight the charges..."

I thought that, too, at first. But the money for that fund didn't flow. I even asked people on this blog if they contributed to her fund. To my knowledge, no one did. Or no one admitted or saw my post amidst literally several hundred. (Surely some morons read the post.) If you couldn't get morons to donate back then when the action was happening, then the odds of funding extended lawsuits is hardly guaranteed. And really, you need to have guarantees that the money will exist and not just hope that they'll arrive.

For sure the money would flow now, but back then it still wasn't a given.


Damn Dirty RINO: "This wasn't a matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty. It was a matter of shifting priorities."

I think it both with the caveat that priorities don't shift unless there's the matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty initiating them.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (r4t7/)

1028 >>> Her choice was better for her state and her family whether you liked it or not.

And the bank account? Or was it an entirely selfless decision?

Posted by: Rick Perry at September 03, 2011 11:30 PM (nj1bB)

1029 >>>Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Her choice was better for her state and her family whether you liked it or not.

It was definitely better for her family. They got a lot richer as a result.

But it's hard to argue that it was better for her state that their governor suddenly up and quit her job for no other cited reason than "eh, I'm not running for office again, so what's the point of serving out my term?" plus a footnote about "those ethics lawsuits are pretty pesky too."


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:31 PM (hIWe1)

1030 http://tinyurl.com/3cplol9

All you need to know about Mr. Perry

Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 11:31 PM (P2T20)

1031 @1039 Stormfront called, they want their template back.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:33 PM (TUax9)

1032 1038, "They got a lot richer as a result."

Palin got richer out of office.

Perry got richer in office.

I don't think that's a good line of attack.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:33 PM (OhYCU)

1033 >>>All you need to know about Mr. Perry

Good job, dude, you totally convinced me that Perry's not to be trusted.

Guess I'll vote for Mitt Romney now instead.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:33 PM (hIWe1)

1034 >>>She quit to prove she's a fighter.

Politics isn't for everyone.

Clinton had a lot of legal problems-- as a technical matter, he could actually have faced jail time.

Should have quit. Didn't.

Why?

He actually was a fighter. He wanted to stay.

Sarah Palin did not leave the governorship because she was forced to. She left because she weighed her current life, which she didn't like, against a highpaying media gig, and went that route.

The fact that I UNDERSTAND this decision as a personal matter does not mean that I can ignore it going forward.

She had the highest state office in the land, the governorship. One of the most powerful people in the US. Perfect training for a president.

She quit to work for fox, as a rather superfluous commentator.

I don't think her priorities are crazy, but her priorities are inconsistent with the grit necessary for the most stressful job in the world.



Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:34 PM (nj1bB)

1035 Do we try for 2000?

HUSSY!!!!

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:34 PM (OhYCU)

1036 >>>She's not running.

I think she just might. I think she has to. I think she is trapped. Can't go forward, can't go back.

She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (nj1bB)

1037 >>>Palin got richer out of office.



>>>Perry got richer in office.



>>>I don't think that's a good line of attack.

So let me get this straight: now you're suggesting that Rick Perry is a crook? That, separate from the suddenly-chic "crony capitalist" charge (which is about Perry giving good business hookups to his donors or connected people, i.e. "pay to play"), Perry also unjustly enriched himself?

This is your new line of attack?

On what grounds do you make this claim?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (hIWe1)

1038 When asked about no corporate income tax on the "rope line" by some reporter, I heard Palin said regarding loopholes "there are lots of them at every level". Now that's specific. Federal, State, Local.

Posted by: ltw at September 03, 2011 11:37 PM (Cbief)

1039 >>>Perry got richer in office.

How rich?

He bought land it's worth something, right?

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:37 PM (nj1bB)

1040 She quit to work for fox, as a rather superfluous commentator.

---

Ace,

I wouldn't even call her a commentator. No one ever challenged her on television. It was always some kid-gloves interview with Hannity where he said something to the effect of "Obama really sucks, huh? Do you agree?"

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:38 PM (nRTou)

1041 It's a hell of a lot easier to wax conservative on Facebook about the issue of the week than to actually govern a state.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:38 PM (TUax9)

1042 1046, "now you're suggesting that Rick Perry is a crook"

This is like swatting flies, please.

You brought up the word crook, not me. I believe the Romney/Obama attack line is that Perry got richer in office. Read Politico on any given day, you'll see it.

PolitiFact says Mostly True for "Bill White says that Gov. Rick Perry became a millionaire as an elected state official"

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:39 PM (OhYCU)

1043 >>>Because doing that would never ever result in another ethics charge right?

Apparently it was legal.

But let's say one more ethics charge flowed -- wouldn't it make sense to take on ONE more ethics charge to gain the money needed to fight the rest of them?

I really do not believe her family spent 1,000,000 dollars fighting thirty or forty mostly bullshit charges like "she wore her husband's company's ski-jacket at an official gubernatorial event."

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:39 PM (nj1bB)

1044 >>>I think she just might. I think she has to. I think she is trapped. Can't go forward, can't go back.



>>>She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them.
I know there's some informal rule around here you don't address me directly or something, but I will point out that she can't really make the effort. She doesn't have the staff. She doesn't have the temperament for an actual campaign -- pressing the flesh on a daily basis, giving interviews, actually exposing herself. It would be far, far, FAR more embarrassing for her to announce for President and then get flayed by opposition, be forced to deal with non-friendly media, and fold meekly for lack of funds (which she won't get enough of) or voter support. That would kill her enduring appeal for the small segment of the base that loves her far more than maintaining a "what if she had?" mystique. That at least allows the Irredentists to dream.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (hIWe1)

1045 ace: "I mean, trying to change a patently unjust law would
have *looked bad,* even though, apparently, it was widely accepted the
law was unjust, and she was still popular there."

Except that she lost her popularity post-VP run, remember? And fighting for its repeal would not have endeared more voters because it was that stupid snowbilly who could see Russia from her porch who was pushing it - the self-centered bitch.

And, yes, quitting was the only option at the time for anyone with a functioning cortex. But not Ace. Ace would've spent his yet unaquired and non-guaranteed fortune fighting for a law which he, as a compromised pol, had to push in an environment where passage could've taken months... or years... or never. And done it while doing his day job of fighting off the accumulating law suits that, dismissed or not, sapped family funds.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (r4t7/)

1046 And FYI, the main ethics charge was about the firing of that police officer, and yeah, it looked like she was guilty on that one.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (nj1bB)

1047 But it's hard to argue that it was better for her state that their governor suddenly up and quit her job for no other cited reason than "eh, I'm not running for office again, so what's the point of serving out my term?" plus a footnote about "those ethics lawsuits are pretty pesky too."
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:31 PM (hIWe1)
Considering that those ethics complaints had cost the state upwards of 2 mil in just 8 months, how much do you think it would have cost the state for the next 1 1/2 years? And, considering that idiots filing the complaints were starting to go after her staff, and they were going to have to pay out of their own pockets how would that have been better? Oh, and I guess the legislature publicly stating that she wasn't going to get another damn thing passed after she came back from the campaign, that was a good thing, too, right?
Like I've said more than once in this thread. Facts. Do any of you even know what they are, or are you just regurgitating shit people said.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:41 PM (hfrm2)

1048 >>>And, yes, quitting was the only option at the time for anyone with a functioning cortex.

It's amazing how politicians continue serving while under investigation or threat of lawsuit every day.

But so much pressure was brought to bear on Palin, it was like the suffering of no office-hold before her.

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Posted by: lusefer at September 03, 2011 11:42 PM (f7L9x)

1050 Steph, when you live in NYC, facts don't matter, emotion does.

/ stir the pot

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (OhYCU)

1051 >>>Considering that those ethics complaints had cost the state upwards of 2 mil in just 8 months, how much do you think it would have cost the state for the next 1 1/2 years?

Oh god. She resigned to save the state 5 million in expenses which were not her fault but rather the fault of these bloggers?

Look, she apparently quits for what I consider light reasons.

Pass.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (nj1bB)

1052 Read Politico on any given day, you'll see it.



PolitiFact says Mostly True for "Bill White says that Gov. Rick Perry became a millionaire as an elected state official"

Huh. So the media is not so "lamestream" when reporting on politicians you don't like, I guess. How convenient.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (Jvdxe)

1053 @ 1036 -- All of that being stipulated, the whole point of the discussion is the fact that she resigned her office before her term was up, which implies that she has a commitment issue -- and that, in turn, is why the Palinistas have gone to such great lengths to combats the perception that's created by her resignation.

The fact notion that she gave up on it because the money wasn't flowing as freely as hoped only seems to further that perception. The whole point is that, if the lawsuits were frivolous and unjust, she should have dug in her heels. And, if the money wasn't coming in when the wolves were at the door, you have to wonder just how much resolve her support base has.

If her current one is any indication, the only reason she wasn't rolling in money at the time was due to a lack of determination on her part. And given the fact that Rebecca Mansour has shown absolutely no reluctance to do whatever it takes to defend Palin, there's no reason to believe she didn't have people in her corner who were capable of making it happen.

It's hard to come to any other conclusion than that Palin looked at the situation and decided it was just easier to walk away rather than finish out her term. She had a choice, and there was unlimited potential -- she was only months removed from having stood before overflowing crowds that would have moved heaven and earth for her. There was no reason for her to believe that she couldn't have tapped into that enthusiasm for financial support.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:44 PM (+iwM3)

1054 >>>I really do not believe her family spent 1,000,000 dollars fighting
thirty or forty mostly bullshit charges like "she wore her husband's
company's ski-jacket at an official gubernatorial event."

I think the people who believe this have no actual understanding of how legal billing works, and how fees are. Unless Palin hired friggin' Sullivan Cromwell to handle her defense, then her legal fees for these rather uncomplex ethics complaints would have been rather mild. EVEN IF she'd had to deal with a number of them.

It's really not magically, amazingly difficult or expensive to write up a response that invokes whatever Alaska's version of 12(b)(6) is.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:44 PM (hIWe1)

1055 Becoming a "millionaire" isn't terribly difficult when your salary is $300,000 per year and you live rent-free with all of your meals paid for.

That's a lot of investment income. He bought land. Texas grew.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:46 PM (nj1bB)

1056 slub, I like them all. I don't like dishonest commenters. If you have real facts, great, let's hear them.

Otherwise, lets talk about boobies... or SCOAMF.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:46 PM (OhYCU)

1057 I think she just might. I think she has to. I think she is trapped. Can't go forward, can't go back. She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (nj1bB)
Nope, she's not running and I'll donate an equal amount to your "green energy" fund again if she does. Her appeasement to her supporters will be in asking them to support candidate X* with as much passion as they have shown for her in order to become the GOP nominee to beat Obama.
*X to be filled in at a later date.

Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 11:46 PM (GULKT)

1058 1059
Steph, when you live in NYC, facts don't matter, emotion does.



/ stir the pot

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (OhYCU)
Cherry, shut the hell up.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (8Zpuz)

1059 >>>And FYI, the main ethics charge was about the firing of that police
officer, and yeah, it looked like she was guilty on that one.

Oh now you've gone and done it. Even I didn't feel like 'going there' on this one.

But yes...I've read over the details of that case rather closely and, you know what? Palin definitely pushed to get that cop fired. And although I won't speak to the legality or illegality of it (since I'm not familiar with the relevant AK law), it didn't exactly look super-ethical.

Doesn't seem like a disqualifying, send-her-to-jail offense either, but it sort of puts the tarnish on the whole "blameless angel" narrative her fans have going.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (hIWe1)

1060 Like I've said more than once in this thread. Facts. Do any of you
even know what they are, or are you just regurgitating shit people said.
He's not even sure at this point.

Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (AnTyA)

1061 hahahaha, notice how quickly ace went from frothy Palin attack poodle to Perry defender.

Good night guys. I hope the football is better tomorrow.

Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:48 PM (OhYCU)

1062
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (r4t7/)

posted a link earlier proving otherwise. she was in fact the most popular governor in june of 2009, 56% approval rating.

Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 11:49 PM (xAq1C)

1063 >>>Cherry, shut the hell up.

Seriously...I fucking hate New Yorkers and this guy makes me want to go and start rooting for the Yankees just to spite him.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:49 PM (hIWe1)

1064 David Frum (solid conservative, he) recently wrote a "Perry got rich in office" article.

He started out by saying Texas Democrats questioned a land deal in which Perry sold land to Michael Dell for a profit while in office. He went on to question some loose affiliations Perry had (all coming from "Texas Democrats")

Then, I swear to God he said "Perry then repeated this process" without offering a single example. Repeated what process? Continually ripping off Michael Dell? Or did he maybe move on to other Texas billionaires like Mark Cuban? I guess it was a cliffhanger article.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:49 PM (nRTou)

1065 Seriously...I fucking hate New Yorkers and this guy makes me want to go and start rooting for the Yankees just to spite him.

Dude.

DUDE.

The Yankees? Take a deep breath before you say something you'll really regret.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:50 PM (Jvdxe)

1066 My feelings on all this is AllahPundit is the Meghan McCain. Note, he is the Meghan McCain of many
things but it is a lot easier and expedient to just say it how I stated
it.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:51 PM (pmzey)

1067 Doesn't seem like a disqualifying,
send-her-to-jail offense either, but it sort of puts the tarnish on the
whole "blameless angel" narrative her fans have going.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (hIWe1)
Didn't that ethics probe clear her of those charges though? It was a big issue in the campaign for a while.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:51 PM (8Zpuz)

1068 ace: "It's amazing how politicians continue serving while under investigation or threat of lawsuit every day."

You stated that earlier. "Hundreds" of them in fact. Even Parnell in Alaska was suffering the arrows. Except he didn't and isn't.

So, would you care to name a politician facing multiple charges now and dozens of SLAPP suits ready to go? Or in the past twenty years? Or forty? How powerful is Google's cache? Doesn't have to be a governor, either. I'm interested in local lackeys, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (r4t7/)

1069 >>>Dude.>>>DUDE.>>>The Yankees? Take a deep breath before you say something you'll really regret.

I could've said the Mets, but even I have standards.

Or the Red Sox, but then I'd have to kill self.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (hIWe1)

1070 Apparently it was legal. But let's say one more ethics charge flowed -- wouldn't it make sense to take on ONE more ethics charge to gain the money needed to fight the rest of them? I really do not believe her family spent 1,000,000 dollars fighting thirty or forty mostly bullshit charges like "she wore her husband's company's ski-jacket at an official gubernatorial event."
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:39 PM (nj1bB)
No, it was found to not be legal for the governor, and the money had to be returned. Besides she did not start the fund.
And it wasn't one mil. It was half a mil to her family and 2 mil to the state in just 8 months. Would have been great for everyone if it was allowed to go on for the next 1 1/2 years, right?
Fuck it. There's no sense in discussing shit with people when they don't give a damn about facts. Only their agenda matters.
I'll defend the truth against a lie any day no matter who is being lied about. Facts and truth matter. Obviously not to everyone.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (hfrm2)

1071 I could've said the Mets, but even I have standards.Or the Red Sox, but then I'd have to kill self.
Whew. You've stepped away from the ledge at least.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:53 PM (Jvdxe)

1072 But yes...I've read over the details of that case rather closely and,
you know what? Palin definitely pushed to get that cop fired. And
although I won't speak to the legality or illegality of it (since I'm
not familiar with the relevant AK law), it didn't exactly look
super-ethical.

Now how would a "lawyer" who "read over the details of that case" not have a fucking clue as to the relevant law?

Is that legalese??...super-ethical?

Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (AnTyA)

1073 I'll defend the truth against a lie any day no matter who is being lied about.   Facts and truth matter.   Obviously not to everyone.
-----
So, you're a "fighter" too?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (nRTou)

1074 >>>Didn't that ethics probe clear her of those charges though? It was a big issue in the campaign for a while.

It cleared her of legal liability for violation of the Alaska Executive Ethics Act. But that doesn't change the fact that her actions were pretty damn questionable.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (hIWe1)

1075 And FYI, the main ethics charge was about the firing of that police officer, and yeah, it looked like she was guilty on that one.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (nj1bB)
And, again, fail. Damn, Ace, you really don't know what you're talking about on most of this, do you?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:55 PM (hfrm2)

1076 Well this has, sadly, been fun but I have got to get some sleep. Good night, all. In the end, the SCoaMF must be voted out of office. On that, I hope we can all agree.

Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (Jvdxe)

1077 No, it was found to not be legal for the governor, and the money had to be returned. Besides she did not start the fund.

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (hfrm2)


Yes, we all know this. But now you gotta prove to us you aren't the pull-string toy of morons.

OMIT ONE WORD from the fund name. Now legal. Wouldn't it make sense for Palin to put the word out about this if the fund organizers didn't know already? Or is that illegal?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (8Zpuz)

1078 "She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them."
See, it's comments like this that make me think you don't really understand her supporters very much at all, Ace.

I'm one of them, and I'm very supportive and flexible in that regard, meaning that I don't care if she waits until the last possible minute to jump in. In other words, to most of her bigger mouthed detractors, I'm one of the wild-eyed fanatics, apparently.

Yet I wasn't expecting anything today.

And I do hope she runs, but it's okay with me if she doesn't. She certainly doesn't need to appease me, and I doubt I'm that unusual.

I also don't know what you mean by "losing them." If she doesn't run, then what would she need us for anyway?

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (uaEZS)

1079 >>>So, would you care to name a politician facing multiple charges now and dozens of SLAPP suits ready to go? Or in the past twenty years? Or forty? How powerful is Google's cache? Doesn't have to be a governor, either. I'm interested in local lackeys, too.

Clinton faced jailtime. So did Blago. So do many politicians accused of misconduct (even if innocent).

But you're claiming some ethics complaints, 90% of them purest bullshit, is the worst travail any politician has ever faced, of such overbearing burden that it compels quitting -- without even attempting to change the law that causes this unjust situation.

As Chas just pointed out, she had 56% approval in June 2009 in Alaska.

Could have tried. Didn't. Because the ethics complaints were not the reason for the resignation.

She got a taste of the Big Time and didn't want to go back to the farm leagues.

Trouble is, you get your experience and seasoning in the farm leagues.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:57 PM (nj1bB)

1080 chas: "posted a link earlier proving otherwise. she was in fact the most popular governor in june of 2009, 56% approval rating."

I believe at the time, however, she had taken a significant hit. Seems like before the MFM took to her throat, she was in the what... greater than 75% range? That's a huge drop with an awful trendline. I mean, if you're faced with such downturn because you're at the eye of the maelstrom, you can't feel too confident that the fight is possible or practicable.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (r4t7/)

1081 "Well it would have appeared wholly and unethically self-serving
because she advocated, or hoisted, the law which became her petard."

Doesn't that say something about her foresight?

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (/uJoK)

1082 Oh, and RE: 1062 -- I have no idea what a "fact notion" is. It's just something I decided to throw in there to confuse people.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (+iwM3)

1083 >>>And, again, fail. Damn, Ace, you really don't know what you're talking about on most of this, do you?

Memory is hazy, but yes, I remember having to spin for her on that one, and I remember it being very tough to do so, because it sure looked like she'd advocated firing the cop, but claimed she hadn't.

Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (nj1bB)

1084 >>>Now how would a "lawyer" who "read over the details of that case" not have a fucking clue as to the relevant law?>>>Is that legalese??...super-ethical?

Because I'm not barred in Alaska or familiar with the ins and out of its ethics laws, you moron, that's how. It's one thing to be familiar with the particulars of the case, i.e. what Palin did and said about Monegan, the pressure she exerted, the relationship between Monegan, the cop he refused to fire, and Palin's family etc. etc.

It's another thing ENTIRELY to apply those facts to Alaska state law to determine whether liability exists. Something can be morally questionable or shady without being in technical violation of the law. It is in fact because I'm a lawyer -- because I actually take my profession seriously, in other words -- that I'm not going to pretend I'm an Instant Expert about Alaska state ethics law jurisprudence and start shooting off at the mouth, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:59 PM (hIWe1)

1085 Doesn't seem like a disqualifying, send-her-to-jail offense either, but it sort of puts the tarnish on the whole "blameless angel" narrative her fans have going.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (hIWe1)
Did you read the part where it was found she did nothing wrong?

Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:59 PM (hfrm2)

1086 In other words, I suspect that, if she decides not to run, most of her supporters, like me, will say "I don't blame her."

Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 11:59 PM (uaEZS)

1087 " but can somebody define the establishment for me?"

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (TUax9)


Anybody who isn't saying what somebody wants to hear at the moment they're saying it.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 04, 2011 12:01 AM (/uJoK)

1088 It cleared her of legal liability for violation of the Alaska Executive
Ethics Act. But that doesn't change the fact that her actions were
pretty damn questionable.

So you've moved from "not super ethical" to "questionable".

What's next?? You were offended? Did it make you sad?

Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 04, 2011 12:02 AM (AnTyA)

1089 So, you're a "fighter" too?
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (nRTou)
And you're an asswipe?

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:02 AM (hfrm2)

1090 >>>I also don't know what you mean by "losing them." If she doesn't run, then what would she need us for anyway?

What is she without supporters?

I will have to depart from you on basic assumptions. I think she likes being in the public eye. And she likes money.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

But that is why I think she quit. She did not want to preside over mundane stuff, and she didn't want to lose her moment to make some real money.

Fine, fine. I don't think those are horrible things.

But that is why she quit. Not for these "no human has ever suffered like she" reasons, not for out of concern for her state being charged 2,000,000 dollars.

And since she likes those things, she has to keep her fanbase intact.

No?

Doesn't she?

If Palin doesn't run, what kind of advance does her next book get?

Oh, she gets a book deal, sure; but for how much?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:02 AM (nj1bB)

1091 1095:
Yep, I remember saying that back in September 2008.

Posted by: rickl at September 04, 2011 12:03 AM (1CfwK)

1092 >>>In other words, I suspect that, if she decides not to run, most of her supporters, like me, will say "I don't blame her."

Yes, but are you terribly interested in her for the next four or eight years?

I think a lot of Palin media is bought in anticipation that she's running. Part of it is that people just like her or whatever, but a lot of it is in anticipation that this is the next president.

Minus that-- interest wanes.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:04 AM (nj1bB)

1093
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (r4t7/)

need some help w/ those goalposts??

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 12:04 AM (xAq1C)

1094 >>>Did you read the part where it was found she did nothing wrong?

No, but I did read the part where the independent counsel's report found that she had abused her power. And the part where a later (exclusively Palin-appointed) Personnel Board said that she had not technically broken the law (this is the 'exoneration' you're speaking of) but didn't pass judgment on whether she did anything morally questionable.

Let me guess, Steph: you don't actually know about these silly little details, do you? You just heard "Palin cleared by board!" and went on your merry way. When in fact, the independent investigator found she had stepped over the line, and only the later board of Palin-appointees (talk about crony politics!) sort of semi-but-not-really-cleared her.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)

1095 When we loose in 2012 "the establishment" will write articles saying things like "Darn it, we had it! Just what I was afraid of...we all got burned out after 2010!" etc.

But take solace friends, you can always come back and read threads like this.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (pmzey)

1096 Steph, if I were a lesser man I might quote one of your many exhortations to "read up on the facts, moron!" back at you at this point.

But I'm bigger than that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)

1097 >>> I mean, if you're faced with such downturn because you're at the eye of the maelstrom, you can't feel too confident that the fight is possible or practicable.

Right, and when confronted with a situation in which she is not sure if she will win or lose, the True Fighter of course chooses to quit, and not bother with trying to change things before that step.

That's what True Fighters do, they quit, because eh, they might lose, so what's the point.

Remember, this is the woman who's greatest selling point is what a fighter she is, and how she'll never give up, and she won't abandon us.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:06 AM (nj1bB)

1098 OMIT ONE WORD from the fund name. Now legal. Wouldn't it make sense for Palin to put the word out about this if the fund organizers didn't know already? Or is that illegal?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (8Zpuz)
Facts, people, do you know them? The funds were frozen while the case was in legal limbo. The judge ruled it illegal, and ruled all funds had to be returned.
Truth! Find it. It isn't hard, but that would defeat your purpose, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:08 AM (hfrm2)

1099 Keep nuking that fridge.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 04, 2011 12:08 AM (5I0Yr)

1100 Okay, Ace, now I know what you meant by "losing them." I just still think you're wrong that her position with her supporters is that precarious (i.e., that if she doesn't run then we'll stop supporting her).

Like I said, if she doesn't run, I won't blame her, and I still like her books and speeches and appreciate her work on behalf of conservatism.

I still hope she runs, though.

Posted by: Kensington at September 04, 2011 12:08 AM (uaEZS)

1101 Again, I want to point out that I don't really give two shits about the whole Walt Monegan/cop ethics kerfuffle. Even if Palin was 100% guilty it's still a minor issue at best.

But it IS worth pointing out just how self-deceiving a lot of Palinistas who have bought into Palin's "poor me!" mythologizing really are. Not a single one of them seems to have had the courage to *really* investigate those claims. Because if they did they would not like what they found. So instead they rely on third parties like C4P or whatnot telling them "Sarah was cleared!" and take that at face value with wondering "gee, who cleared her?" or "what does 'cleared' mean, exactly?"

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:09 AM (hIWe1)

1102 *lose duh!

Side Note: No one gets "punked" at a Rick Perry Rally! (We call them RPRs btw). Think of ecstasy on steroids in enema form. Delicious!

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:09 AM (pmzey)

1103 1104 When we loose in 2012 "the establishment" will write articles saying things like "Darn it, we had it!  Just what I was afraid of...we all got burned out after 2010!" etc. 

But take solace friends, you can always come back and read threads like this.
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Yes, we blew our chance by not recognizing we should back someone only 10% of conservatives want to run and who polls the worst of any polled GOP "candidate" (?) against Obama.

Man, we'll be kicking ourselves.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:09 AM (nRTou)

1104
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:06 AM (nj1bB)

exactly, what would her reaction be if she's president and the dems win back both houses of congress?? how can we trust her to fight in that situation?

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 12:10 AM (xAq1C)

1105 >>>Like I said, if she doesn't run, I won't blame her, and I still like her books and speeches and appreciate her work on behalf of conservatism.

But what is a Star without cheering audience to adore Her?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:10 AM (nj1bB)

1106 "Yes, but are you terribly interested in her for the next four or eight years?"

Well, it depends on what she's doing, doesn't it? But I don't see why not. Of course, I don't hang on her every movement now -- I just hope she runs.

Posted by: Kensington at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (uaEZS)

1107 My point in bringing up the cop charge wasn't to say she was the worst person ever.

Rather, it was to point out that if ONE of those ethics complaints was costly to defend, there was a damn fine reason it was so costly -- because she had in fact done what was alleged, but was trying to prove she had not.

Yeah, that sort of thing will get a little costly.

And no one is deserving of pity for that.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (nj1bB)

1108 Truth!   Find it.   It isn't hard, but that would defeat your purpose, wouldn't it?
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Is it just me, or is she starting to sound like some other type of people who scream "truth"?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (nRTou)

1109 1105 Steph, if I were a lesser man I might quote one of your many exhortations to "read up on the facts, moron!" back at you at this point.But I'm bigger than that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)
And he's had to have entryways expanded at head height to prove it.

Posted by: buzzion at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (GULKT)

1110 By the way, the Branchflower Report (which found that Palin abused her powers as governor in pressing Walt Monegan to fire the cop, and then in firing him) is easily available for Palinistas to read, if they dare: http://tinyurl.com/4fcuua

But no. Better to just pretend it doesn't exist. Or that it's a "political hit job by Sarah's enemies!" or some bullshit like that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:12 AM (hIWe1)

1111 Let me guess, Steph: you don't actually know about these silly little details, do you? You just heard "Palin cleared by board!" and went on your merry way. When in fact, the independent investigator found she had stepped over the line, and only the later board of Palin-appointees (talk about crony politics!) sort of semi-but-not-really-cleared her.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)
No, you pompous ass. I actually look for facts. Tell us about that independent investigator. And tell us whowas on that board.

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:12 AM (hfrm2)

1112 @ 1107 -- Facts, people, do you know them? The funds were
frozen while the case was in legal limbo. The judge ruled it illegal,
and ruled all funds had to be returned.
Truth! Find it. It isn't hard, but that would defeat your purpose, wouldn't it?
Note the convenient elision of the fact that it was perfectly legal and acceptable to start up another fund with a different name in the interim.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 12:12 AM (+iwM3)

1113 It's one thing to be familiar with the particulars of the case, i.e.
what Palin did and said about Monegan, the pressure she exerted, the
relationship between Monegan, the cop he refused to fire, and Palin's
family etc. etc.

OK..what were those pressures?/Wasn't that part of the ethics violations charge? Wasn't she cleared?? She was cleared right?

So what was the unethical..er, whoops...questionable behavior on her part?

You don't need to know the relevant law...but you've looked at the case very closely right?? What did she do?

Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 04, 2011 12:12 AM (AnTyA)

1114 "But what is a Star without cheering audience to adore Her?"

Yeah, this is where I think you go off the rails, from the presumption of how important the cheering audience is to her to the snarky capital H.

Maybe I'll just stop reading the Palin posts.

Posted by: Kensington at September 04, 2011 12:12 AM (uaEZS)

1115 prettypinkfluffypanties: "Doesn't that say something about her foresight?"

Possibly. And a debatable point.

Now how many laws are written with an intent for reform but that fail in their implementation because every contingency had not been considered? She advocated for an imperfect law thinking it would bring reform. It didn't. How many politicians also face this be it government reform or other? This may well happen more often than not which explains thousand page bills written by people who either don't understand law or who understand it so well as to corrupt it as it's passed see the light of day.

But the argument hasn't been about her judgement on the minutia of law however in- or consequential. It has been about her quitting office with the concomitant smear (to me) of the sin of omission of important facts that when distilled down to a soundbite resonate like a hack progressive activist. That's why I'm pissed about "the narrative" and why this particular debate teeters on the disingenuous.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:13 AM (r4t7/)

1116 >>> The funds were frozen while the case was in legal limbo. The judge ruled it illegal, and ruled all funds had to be returned.

Yeah, but another clear one could have been started in the meantime, and with one different word, would have been fine.

But you will respond "Better to quit than to undertake that drastic step."

I disagree.

I think you are insane on this point. The mindfuck you have done on yourselves, convincing yourself that quitting office is not only completely understandable, but also should be ignored when considering someone's grit for the presidency.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:14 AM (nj1bB)

1117 >>>Yeah, this is where I think you go off the rails, from the presumption of how important the cheering audience is to her to the snarky capital H.

I figured that was too much.

But yes, I do think there is a lot of Ego in this.

That's what I think.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:16 AM (nj1bB)

1118 And her stupid inane comments about the Bush Doctrine and not knowing what it was. THAT'S WHEN SHE LOST ME FOR GOOD

Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 04, 2011 12:18 AM (5I0Yr)

1119 should i buy a big green egg or a propane infrared grill?

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 12:18 AM (xAq1C)

1120 Egg. Those infrared cones burn out after two years.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:19 AM (nRTou)

1121 I think I have read this script before. Is that a pinball machine over there? lolk

Anyway, I think Perry might make a fine candidate. I just don't think we need to tear down other conservatives.

What is the difference between what she says/does and some other private, conservative citizen like say AllahPundut (*snicker) that warrants this kind of reaction?

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:22 AM (pmzey)

1122 So she's gonna be faulted for O'Donnel, eh, Ace?
Let's just ignore all of her other endorsements in 2010... ah! Matters not!
In 2010, T-Paw and Perry, those names Loomed Large Over The Nation's PoliticalMountains and Plains !!!
Ace's ace political advice: Be a careerist pol and wait quietly for your opportunity, don't be too, ick, folksy, and be as unobjectionable as possible (like T-Paw!), and I will support you!
Don't QUIT your "job"! No matter how unconsequential to the Conservative Cause that might be! RESUME'S, PEOPLE, KEEP THEM UPDATED.
If you step into a seminal election, willy nilly, and just throw your endorsements around in the interest of the nation's future, it doesn't matter how many endorsements of yours were good and right... I, Ace, will attack and blame you for the ones that were off (O'Donnel and Angle) no matter how many battles you helped to win, and no matter how historic the election turned out to be !!!
Go Pawlenty ! Go Perry ! Go Christie (I'm SO glad you're mostly conservative...) ! Glad you showed up for the fight !

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 12:22 AM (mLzys)

1123 Rather, it was to point out that if ONE of those ethics complaints was costly to defend, there was a damn fine reason it was so costly -- because she had in fact done what was alleged, but was trying to prove she had not. Yeah, that sort of thing will get a little costly. And no one is deserving of pity for that.
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (nj1bB)
So anyone that is charged with something and spends good money to fught those charges is doing so because they in fact did what they are charged with?
Damn, no wonder you're no longer a lawyer.

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:23 AM (hfrm2)

1124 i've been leaning towards an egg, just so damn expensive. HD has a knockoff, Vision Grils Kamado Pro, but teh hinge seems real cheap. not sure if the one on display was just put together poorly or what.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 12:23 AM (xAq1C)

1125 Prnzey,

>>>What is the difference between what she says/does and some other private, conservative citizen like say AllahPundut (*snicker) that warrants this kind of reaction?

I think if you have really gotten sick to death of a song, but people keep telling you THIS IS THE GREATEST SONG EVER!!!, and it keeps playing on the radio, you really start to wish that song would go off the air.

But it's also that she's harmful for the GOP. Nominating Sarah Palin would be the greatest possible gift we could possibly give Barack Hussein Obama, but so many have convinced themselves we MUST give him this very gift.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:25 AM (nj1bB)

1126 >>>So anyone that is charged with something and spends good money to fught those charges is doing so because they in fact did what they are charged with?

Um, she did do the thing alleged -- she pressured someone to fire that cop. then claimed she hadn't.

So yes, that's going to be costly to fight, since you did it, and all.

According to Jeff's link they found she abused her power in doing so but wasn't liable.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:26 AM (nj1bB)

1127 chas: "need some help w/ those goalposts??"

How were they moved? The argument was that she was popular, so popular that advancing a self-serving correction to an ethics reform law would have insulated her from further destruction would have likely passed and in such expedited manner as to protect her limited wealth and family. I'm noting that her popularity trendline was dramatically down and that directed legal defense money (later adjudicated as illegal) was not pouring in as most assumed happened.

She was experiencing a waning local popularity that surely impacted what kind of legislation she thought could or could not be passed under her tenure especially as it pertains to legislation that would, by definition, protect her, the sworn enemy of a nationally concerted campaign designed to destroy her. Diminishing popularity and the self-serving argument she was about to make would endanger the passage of the corrections to a flawed law.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:26 AM (r4t7/)

1128 And her stupid inane comments about the Bush Doctrine and not knowing what it was. THAT'S WHEN SHE LOST ME FOR GOOD
Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 04, 2011 12:18 AM (5I0Yr)
Except even Krauthammer said she was right, and he was the one that defined the Bush doctrine.

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:27 AM (hfrm2)

1129 The egg is worth it, imo. There's a little bit of a cult mentality with it, but that usually means it's a good product. I've had a few propane grills (as has my father) and they disintegrate so quickly. I know people who have had eggs for 7 years and have only had to replace the wood handle ($10). I like it. My wife and I cook beer can chickens, pizzas, turkeys, burgers.. basically everything on it and it's very easy to keep the temperature precise.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:27 AM (nRTou)

1130 I hear you Ace. I feel the same way about Rick Perry and Hot Air (at least on the greatest song part).



Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:28 AM (pmzey)

1131
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:26 AM (r4t7/)

but she was still the most popular governor in the country. she the vast majority of the people in her corner. and a lot of those that didnt support her wouldve been on board w/ changing that kinda law. americans dont like to see someone being treated unfairly, even someone they dont like. sure, there are exceptions but in the general we are ready to help out a legitimately persecuted underdog.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 12:30 AM (xAq1C)

1132 >>>Don't QUIT your "job"! No matter how unconsequential to the Conservative Cause that might be! RESUME'S, PEOPLE, KEEP THEM UPDATED.

Goddamned right. This is the office of the presidency, not fucking Hannity's fill-in host for his vacation.

Yes, you'd better goddamned have more than two years of experience. It would be nice to see you've had adequate experience with a similar type of job before giving you the most powerful office on the face of the earth.

And yes, actually running a state IS more impressive that showing up for twenty minute interviews on greta. It's called decision-making, command, and accountability. That's why the GOP (and the Democrats, too) have tended to favor either Governors or military leaders for their nominees.

But no, now we're going to go with a commentator on fox, because, once again, The Only Thing That Matters Is Ideology, just as was the case with the current junior senator from Delaware, Senator Christine O'Donnell.

She says the right things!

Great! So does Greg Gutfeld! Is he available?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:30 AM (nj1bB)

1133 I can't believe that after seeing the effects of electing a little-experienced charismatic Celebrity who says the right things, 10% of the party is dead-set on DOING IT ALL AGAIN.

hey, gotta work one of these times.

By the way, Obama will have had four years of experience as president in 2012, so don't tell me about him having none. He had none in 2008. He has some now.

But let's put up a FoxNews featured guest.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:32 AM (nj1bB)

1134 I actually don't think she is going to run. But if she does, well
that's her decision isn't it? If she does and loses the Tea Party will
be blamed (*heartache). At least we had 2010! See, we have to bend to them. Never the other way around.


Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:32 AM (pmzey)

1135 Krauthammer said she "answered sensibly" then later went on to say she didn't know what it (the Bush doctrine) was, and neither did Gibson. Krauthammer was criticizing Gibson - not praising Palin -- not even faintly.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 04, 2011 12:34 AM (/uJoK)

1136 1139
I hear you Ace. I feel the same way about Rick Perry and Hot Air (at least on the greatest song part).


Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:28 AM (pmzey)
I feel that way about most of Ed's posts and all of Tina's posts. People don't know how to write a blog commensurate with Hot Air's status.Thanks for the explanation of the cop probe Jeff B.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 12:35 AM (8Zpuz)

1137 Also, buy gold. You will all be rich before Obama's second term is done.

Seriously though. My problem is I feel like you are lecturing all us "dumb hicks" (my words not yours) on the way the world works. The thing is, we get it. We just don't necessarily agree with you.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:36 AM (pmzey)

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Posted by: jason at September 04, 2011 12:37 AM (vhYdv)

1139 What if Perry does have a zipper problem?

Will all the conservative blogs write "Well, at least he wasn't dumb stupid moron Palin! Amiright?".

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:39 AM (pmzey)

1140 ace: "Right, and when confronted with a situation in which
she is not sure if she will win or lose, the True Fighter of course
chooses to quit, and not bother with trying to change things before that
step..."
Right. Right. Nevermind the points made about why she likely couldn't change things or the financial ruin she'd have experienced being the proud fighter. No, she could've just cashed in some hope beans and change dust to finance an endless parade of lawsuits that accumulated while she was the happy warrior in the governor's chair pushing a self-serving law. Easy peasy.

And, ultimately, quitting did expedite reform in AK and Palin was/is a leader in the Tea Party movement... so cut with the paraphrased "well she's barely effective now that she's a quitter" routine even though, surely, we know she'd have won had she just. fought. that. much. harder. in AK.

BTW, did you contribute to her Alaska Defense Fund?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:39 AM (r4t7/)

1141 One of the greatest weapons we have during this election is to highlight the total failure of leadership of Obama. How do we do that by nominating someone who walked away from the highest executive position she ever held?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:40 AM (nRTou)

1142 The most stressful job in the world is actually whoever is batting against Justin Verlander.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 12:41 AM (QjrRF)

1143 "One of the greatest weapons we have during this election is to highlight the total failure of leadership of Obama."

He's not a failure.

Posted by: European Banks with a $16 trillion dollar payday at September 04, 2011 12:42 AM (xc/va)

1144 @ 1131 -- Don't QUIT your "job"! No matter how unconsequential to the Conservative Cause that might be!

So, we're supposed to support someone whose only qualification is a job that was inconsequential -- and they quit it before serving out their term.

Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 12:42 AM (+iwM3)

1145 Alright the Bush Doctrine was fine, but "I can see Russia from my house" was THE LAST STRAW FOR THIS GUY.

Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 04, 2011 12:44 AM (5I0Yr)

1146 >>>What if Perry does have a zipper problem?

What if the numerous allegations of adultery on Palin's part or her husband's part turn out to be true, too?

Why stop at one unproven allegation?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:44 AM (nj1bB)

1147 Why stop at one unproven allegation?
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:44 AM (nj1bB)
Oh, I don't think you'll have that problem.

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 12:47 AM (hfrm2)

1148 "And yes, actually running a state IS more impressive that showing up for twenty minute interviews on greta. It's called decision-making, command, and accountability. That's why the GOP (and the Democrats, too) have tended to favor either Governors or military leaders for their nominees. "
How many governors and military leaders helped effect the fiscal-conservative triumph of 2010...
Sarah, had a full time job since she resigned: being a leader of the loyal opposition to, let's face it, Obama's attempted socialist transformation of America... more than full time, really.
You make it sound like she's been slumming it on FNC???
C'mon ! Give credit where credit is due !

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 12:48 AM (mLzys)

1149 1099:

I actually disagree with you here, Ace.

She WON'T run precisely because if she did, she wouldn't win. She wouldn't even some close. Maybe fourth place.

And at that point, she really is just a washed-up politician without a sizable base.

No, the smart move for her is to tease everyone for as long as possible, and then declare that she won't run for some personal reasons. And then claim for the next four years that she could have EASILY won the Republican Party's presidential nomination, but that she was so focused on her family that she decided against it.

And so long as she can say/write that with a straight face, the book deals will keep coming.

She won't run, Ace. If she does, she loses all credibility when she comes in fifth in New Hampshire. And then she's a has-been. Has-beens don't make seven or eight figure salaries. Has-beens don't get gigantic book deals.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 12:49 AM (QjrRF)

1150 Sarah, had a full time job since she resigned:  being a leader of the loyal opposition to, let's face it, Obama's attempted socialist transformation of America...  more than full time, really.
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That "full time job" also consisted of a reality show, promoting her daughter on a different reality show, paid speaking engagements, contracts with television networks, and book deals and promotions.

You know, things most would consider peripheral to "the cause".

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:53 AM (nRTou)

1151 Unproven? Maybe, but it's the new hot liberal meme.

This is actually kind of funny that we are here on arguing the quitter meme. Damn you dirty Tea Baggers!




Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:53 AM (pmzey)

1152 @ 1158 -- So she quit an inconsequential job to talk about stuff with Greta and Hannity.

That's Commander-in-Chief material, right there.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 12:54 AM (+iwM3)

1153 chas@1140,

"...she the vast majority of the people in her corner. and a lot of those
that didnt support her wouldve been on board w/ changing that kinda law..."

I wish that were true but I don't share the faith. In theory and in the main, I'd tend to agree; but this was Palin where a visceral response was being and had been cultivated. Palin was smeared and lost a good chunk of goodwill. I think many would've said, "Sure, it's a flawed law, but I just want Palin to suffer because of the schadenfreude. Besides, we can get this law modified under someone else anyway. Palin isn't worth the trouble." I'm not intimately familiar with AK politics, but I'm guessing that was the building milieu. Nationally, she has more pull now (and did back then, too), but I'm not convinced she had the pull at the time in AK proper. Clearly she was hemorrhaging support that may or may not have leveled had she remained in office.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:54 AM (r4t7/)

1154 >>>My problem is I feel like you are lecturing all us "dumb hicks" (my words not yours) on the way the world works. The thing is, we get it. We just don't necessarily agree with you.

I think when teenagers rebel against parental authority, they think everything their parents do or say is wrong.

I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as stupid parents who don't know shit.

I think many Tea Partiers are determined to throw EVERYTHING out the door, because they currently hold their older family members in such very low regard.

I think that causes them to think that anyone who says something like "Gee, resumes and accomplishments DO matter in senate races" is a square trying to bring them down and stifle them with rules.

I don't think they think enough about whether there are reasons these rules have become rules. I think the general idea, among some, is throw it all out, we can hardly do worse than these "rules" did for us.

I think that leads them to think things like Sarah Palin's "unconventional campaign" -- with no staff, no organization, no donors, no advisers, etc. -- just might be better than the stodgy old version where people did square, old-school things like sit down with foreign policy wise men to get briefed and taught, and to puzzle out tax reform plans with experts, and build state organizations, and mailing lists, etc.

I think some people right now are thinking it's a pretty good time to jettison 100 years of modern electoral practice and try something totally new -- a facebook campaign, self-organizing from the grassroots, with no "expert" advice, no briefing books, no crafty media professionals, just the sound instincts of the everyday man, etc.

I think those people really ought to start planning for a second Barack Obama term.

It is amazing to me how such very standard and hard-to-argue against lessons like "The public generally wants to see serious executive experience in a would-be president" are so quickly dismissed as "old-school" thinking.

There is a belief that the old rules stop working. And yet there is no evidence for this. It's faith-based. People want to believe this; thus and so it is.


Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:55 AM (nj1bB)

1155 I'll tell you this: I don't think Michele Bachmann is our most credible/electable candidate, but she's tough, and she's smart, and she's educated, and she doesn't quit. She takes the hateful attacks from the left in stride. She even confronts them face to face; she does not cower from that.

I have respect for Bachmann, even if I probably won't vote for her (in the primaries). I have dwindling respect for Palin.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 12:58 AM (QjrRF)

1156 >>>Sarah, had a full time job since she resigned: being a leader of the loyal opposition to, let's face it, Obama's attempted socialist transformation of America... more than full time, really.

I guess no serving governor could possibly agitate against Barack Obama.

You know, Rick Perry led a lot of Tea Party rallies...

He seemed to find the time.


Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:58 AM (nj1bB)

1157 "There is a belief that the old rules stop working. And yet there is no evidence for this. It's faith-based. People want to believe this; thus and so it is. "
And yet Obama is PotUS, and T-Paw is going to have a nice, serene family Christmas, this year... ;-)

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 01:03 AM (mLzys)

1158
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:54 AM (r4t7/)

so your claiming she's lost all that popularity she had but somehow she can be elected president?? you guys are just incorrigible!

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:04 AM (xAq1C)

1159 >>>I don't think Michele Bachmann is our most credible/electable candidate, but she's tough, and she's smart, and she's educated, and she doesn't quit

And she has no executive experience at all, and in fact only has been a Congresswoman for two and a half years before declaring for president, and was a back bencher in the minority without even any leadership or major committee postings for most of that brief tenure.

These things matter. Why am I the stodgy old man for saying things that are obviously still true?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:04 AM (nj1bB)

1160 Star Trek: The Animated Series (the cartoon) is now streaming on Netflix.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:06 AM (nj1bB)

1161 "You know, Rick Perry led a lot of Tea Party rallies... He seemed to find the time. "
You honestly think Perry was a factor in 2010, outside of Texas?
While SP was playing the best chess she could to maximize whatever benefit to our side she could?

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 01:06 AM (mLzys)

1162 @ 1169 -- Why am I the stodgy old man for saying things that are obviously still true?


You're not. You're a misogynist, remember?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:07 AM (+iwM3)

1163 >>>And yet Obama is PotUS, and T-Paw is going to have a nice, serene family Christmas, this year... ;-)

And Palin, who's going to ride a grassroots prarie fire to the White House, got less than 69 votes in the Iowa Straw Poll.

So, that's working like gangbusters.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:07 AM (nj1bB)

1164 >>>While SP was playing the best chess she could to maximize whatever benefit to our side she could?

Oh dear lord. You've got a bad case of it.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:08 AM (nj1bB)

1165 I'm sorry, I thought that 2010 was due to anger over ObamaCare and a reaction to Obama generally.

I had no idea Sarah Palin engineered this for us, via FaceBook.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:09 AM (nj1bB)

1166 @ 1171 -- While SP was playing the best chess she could to maximize whatever benefit to our side she could?

So, she quit her job to play chess? You'd think with all that strategic thinking she could have figured out a way to finish her term despite all the ethics complaints.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:09 AM (+iwM3)

1167 Hang in there and get the last word, Ace. Sarah's a QUITTER!!! ELEVENTY!!11!!

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 01:10 AM (hfrm2)

1168 If Palin has such an outsized command over the public's mood, why can't she get her approval ratings over 40%?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:10 AM (nj1bB)

1169 You dweebs just don't get it.

She isn't running. She will be riling up the base for the big win.

Posted by: Freedomplow at September 04, 2011 01:11 AM (GLP9X)

1170 I'd never quit, Steph.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:11 AM (nj1bB)

1171 These things matter. Why am I the stodgy old man for saying things that are obviously still true?
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Because an 18-month Junior Senator from Illinois with no executive or legislative experience won the Presidency.

The fact that most of the electorate has recognized what an unmitigated disaster is has been is lost on them.

"They did it, so can we!"

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 01:11 AM (nRTou)

1172 Nice reply Ace. I see your points. I would gladly vote for Perry. He would not make me inch towards a third party. I just feel there is no need to give Sarah the liberal/media treatment.

If she runs and wins the primary, a lot of those old school things are going to be out the window. That would be more than just the Tea Party wanting it and It will flip this party on it's head. I feel that could be exactly what this country needs.

If you think Sarah's foreign policy experience is going to matter in this election I think you haven't been paying attention. I would vote for any random American who I felt loved this country and KNOW they would do a better job than Obama has.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:11 AM (pmzey)

1173 @ 1177 -- That whole "quitter" thing gets to you a little bit, huh?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:12 AM (+iwM3)

1174 1169:

Ace, you misunderstand me. I wasn't endorsing Bachmann. I was simply saying that Bachmann looks GOOD compared to Palin.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 01:13 AM (QjrRF)

1175 Not complaining, just saying: you can't really use quotes, if it's not _exactly_ her words.

1. She IS running, and has been since 2008. It's what she _does_. She wouldn't have an audience otherwise. The only question is declaring herself a candidate on paper.
And why would she do _that_? It's just really not in her best interest. Of her brand.
Being unconventional and unpredictable, the intrigue and drama, is her currency. And that's really all she has. It's not about leadership or policy-making, is it? If it was, there wouldn't have been one iota of attention paid, a long time ago. She has nothing to say about policy and never has. That's what's fascinating and compelling. It's about the drama and showmanship. The 'Bad Girl' sexy ersatz politician.

So, consider. It's really quite easy.
> If she declares candidacy, she loses the Fox contract.
And her world changes; becomes focused and driven by that specific goal. Which is not her strength. And she knows it. That becomes difficult. And not very fun. Instead of loosey-goosey taking it as it comes and 'keepin' 'em guessing'.

> If she openly says that she is NOT running for president, two things happen:
1. She instantly loses the already-questionable use of SarahPAC. She has line-items reported as "Campaign Expense" in Federal Election Commission reports. Campaign Expense? How can you use that money to pay for hotel rooms and chartered jets if you're not running for office?
2. Everybody goes away. There would be nothing to keep attention, speaking engagements, interviews. I mean, like really, it would all dry up overnight. There isn't anything else.

So what's a girl to do? Exactly what she is doing. Makes perfect sense, from a marketing and brand promotion perspective. Really and truly, there is NO bad publicity for her.
Remember, this _isn't_ about commitment to voters, dedication to public service, convincing intelligence or leadership ability. Stuff is inexplicable when we look at it in those terms. Nothing makes sense. Because that's not it - it's about celebrity and attention.

This isn't by accident or because she's uncommitted. It's PLANNED. Strategized. It's going exactly as it's supposed to.

What comes next? I don't know. This is so Nixon-esque. Unprecedented to use national election process and political office to build one's brand, create an entertainment industry image and starpower, harness celebrite'. It's exactly like Evita Peron.
But then Evita delivered. She actually held office and managed the country. I don't Sarah wants to have to do that job. It's ugly.
Running as an independent is the only thing that adds up, but it doesn't really matter.

Here's the "full-throated patriot" thing everyone wanted today:
http://tiny.cc/pn4nu

Posted by: Oghma at September 04, 2011 01:14 AM (f0qST)

1176 1169:

And, FWIW, she's been in Congress for 4.5 years, not 2.5.

But again, that's not my point.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 01:14 AM (QjrRF)

1177 Just saying give her the credit that is due, man...
She has been out there in the arena, a la Teddy R.
T-Paw? Perry? Not as much...
Every off-Broadway election, she's been in the hunt.
Not just facebook and Greta, but on the ground, if she was wanted.
Just give the woman that much.

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 01:17 AM (mLzys)

1178 The real question is why are so many people here scared to see her in the primary?



Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:19 AM (pmzey)

1179 ace: "I think when teenagers rebel against parental authority, they think everything their parents do or say is wrong.


I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as stupid parents who don't know shit."
Let's turn it around:

I think when octogenarians rebel against their children's authority, they think everything their children do or say is wrong.

I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as senile coots who don't know shit... and have a record of proving it.


Seeing where the nation is and the machinations politics have become, would sanity be following the senile... and just as before?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 01:19 AM (r4t7/)

1180 What's this? Over a thousand comments on one thread.

Must be about Sarah Palin :-)

-----> Insert BIG SH*T EATING GRIN HERE

Palin 2012

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 01:20 AM (QNU76)

1181 Okay, I can't believe this thread is still going. Speaks to the fervor for and against Sarah as Candidate.

I really don't think she's running. I think her line today, to the effect of "challenging the CW from whatever your office may be" speaks to that, certainly more than any line on "moneyed and entrenched interests" speaks to Perry.

I like the idea, and the ideal, of Sarah. Her own facts, and the efforts of the media and her other enemies, simply create no wiggle room for a plausible general election-winning candidacy.

Could we get that chance one day? He'll, Churchill's career was over after Gallipoli in 1916. Or so everyone thought. There's always time for a second act.

Churchill's 'gap' lasted thirteen years.

Sarah's is a little over a year.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at September 04, 2011 01:21 AM (x81hH)

1182 1188 The real question is why are so many people here scared to see her in the primary?
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You're confusing sniping at other candidates while not declaring with being "scared". It's a sideshow.

Go ahead. Jump in, Sarah. Let's put your record and specific policies up against the other candidates who actually have decided take the primary seriously.

You guys don't get that she blew all her political capital with the GOP, and it happened within the last 4 months.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 01:22 AM (nRTou)

1183 Posted by: Oghma at September 04, 2011 01:14 AM (f0qST)

Okay. Palin supporters have a "bad case of it", but she's Richard Nixon/Snooki/Eva f*cking Peron. What site am I on?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:23 AM (5I0Yr)

1184 @ 1188 -- It's the same reason people are scared to let Casey Anthony babysit.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:23 AM (+iwM3)

1185
Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:19 AM (pmzey)

lol!! no one is scared at all. by all means she should jump right in!! the question is why hasnt she? why does she keep up this will she/wont she bit? fred was getting castigated for not making a decision in late august last cycle. of course fred was polling higher than sarah too.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:23 AM (xAq1C)

1186 Here's something that I think a lot of people are missing.

Most of the country was introduced to Sarah Palin when John McCain picked her as her running mate.

But I was actually following her political career prior to that. And she was kind of a RINO.

She has certainly moved to the right since McCain picked her. This is understandable; the left attacked her, and the right defended her. So she is now playing to her base of support.

But back before she became a lightning rod, she was sort of a moderate Republican. Kind of like Alaska's Charlie Crist.

Please keep this in mind while you defend her as "the only true conservative" in the race.

Posted by: Durka at September 04, 2011 01:24 AM (QjrRF)

1187 @ 1189
-- In this case, the octogenarian is Martin Sheen. And I don't have to tell you who the rebellious teenager is.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:27 AM (+iwM3)

1188 >>>She has been out there in the arena, a la Teddy R.

She's been on fox news and facebook. She actually doesn't give many unpaid speeches. Sometimes, not often.

66% of tea partiers don't even want her to run so I think you're confusing YOUR support of her with the Tea Party's.

Some in the tea party support her. Most do not.

Some tea partiers say it's a leaderless movement.

And then others sort of think it's sarah palin.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:27 AM (nj1bB)

1189 Well, I don't mean scared like Casey Anthony babysitting kind of scared! lol

I mean why are conservatives trying out for Ed Schultz's job? If she falls on her face in the primary you can all say "I was right" and "Gooble Goble" etc whatever.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:27 AM (pmzey)

1190 F*ck it. I'm convinced now. Perry is the one true savior.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:30 AM (5I0Yr)

1191 People are tired of these games. That's why she's losing support within the GOP. I know Palinistas try to paint this as "anti-establishment", but the truth is she's annoyed a lot of true conservatives who used to support her. I'm one of them. It's why only 10% of Repubs want her to run now.

The sad part is that if she declared three months ago, she'd be in the top three. I doubt she'd poll above Gingrich now.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 01:30 AM (nRTou)

1192 "I think when teenagers rebel against parental authority, they think everything their parents do or say is wrong.I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as stupid parents who don't know shit."I think the Tea Party is a youngster, looking at the GOP... like the mother who pretends nothing is wrong, nothing is going on, when Big Govt Daddy is doing bad things to it, to America...
That's not what I think -- we are in limbo til we gots the numbers -- but thats what some feel, and I understand.

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 01:31 AM (mLzys)

1193 chas: "so your claiming she's lost all that popularity she had but somehow she can be elected president?? you guys are just incorrigible!"

Do you always put words in people's mouths?

I said she lost popularity in AK and that it trended downward and to a degree that quick passage of a modified, self-serving law under her tenure would be unlikely. Furthermore, she has wider audience and support now as a national figure than as a single-state actor.

To the extent of her odds being elected president, I haven't stated that here. You pulled that out of thin air. If she announces, I'll vote for her in the primaries if given the chance. If she doesn't, I'll back someone else. And for the record I think a pile of wet shit could be elected over Obama the way things are going; that would include Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Cain, a pile of dried shit, Kucinich, and even Palin!eleventy! Spin that how you wish.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 01:32 AM (r4t7/)

1194 >>>Palin supporters have a "bad case of it", but she's Richard Nixon/Snooki/Eva f*cking Peron. What site am I on?

If Palin's big claim to fame is that she can cause media sensations and get on tv (and people do keep pushing her based on this dubious ability), then yeah, that's the Snookification of the nomination process.

I don't really give a shit about media games and just getting on tv. Who cares. Before this moment would anyone have considered that anything but absolutely trivial?

But hunting for some rationale for a Palin candidacy, some people seriously claim that we should nominate her because she can get the media to give her (condescending, negative) coverage.

As if our actual nominee won't be able to get the media's attention when he wants it.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:33 AM (nj1bB)

1195 @ 1199 -- Maybe this is a better analogy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY-i3bClGyQ

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:33 AM (+iwM3)

1196 Yeah, if Perry gets the nod I really doubt he will want ANY snookification from Sarah Palin.



Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:36 AM (pmzey)

1197 That whole "quitter" thing gets to you a little bit, huh?
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:12 AM (+iwM3)
No, actually, I'm giggling at the fact that someone so insignificant has everyone's panties in a bunch.

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 01:36 AM (hfrm2)

1198
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 01:32 AM (r4t7/)

well then state what your saying in regards to her polling numbers. at one point she was the most popular governor in teh country and you claim she could do nothing to influence legislation. now she has 70% of her own party saying she shouldnt run and your ready to storm the ramparts for her. you keep running around in circles w/ this issue. admit she fucked up quitting instead of fighting to change the law. just because she screwed up doesnt mean you cant support her still. but lots of us will not because of that and trying to convince us she had not options, etc, etc just reveals you to be a sycophant who thinks sarah can do no wrong.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:37 AM (xAq1C)

1199 Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:33 AM (nj1bB)

Okay, dumb question - what if she's just out there taking flak right now, and ends up endorsing Perry at some very opportune time (for him)? Will you gain any respect for her...? She is on our side, you know. This nonsense that she's only out for herself is verging on kos/huffpo territory. But it is "the narrative"...

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (5I0Yr)

1200 >>>I said she lost popularity in AK and that it trended downward and to a degree that quick passage of a modified, self-serving law under her tenure would be unlikely.

Again, better to resign rather than try? Really?

Guess the serving the people who had elected her in a position of high trust wasn't high on her priority list.

She had no desire to continue on as governor. That's why she didn't even try. Because this was not the reason for the resignation. This has been transmogrified by supporters looking for a justification for the resignation into exactly that.

She resigned because she didn't want the job anymore, and wanted a different one. Period.

All the melodramatics about saving her family and the state are nonsense cooked up by people trying to convince themselves of something that isn't true.



Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (nj1bB)

1201
Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 01:36 AM (hfrm2)

yeah, i imagine everyone here tonite passed on some really fun stuff to be here tonite. for me the alternative was to watch star wars episode 1 so not sacrificing much

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (xAq1C)

1202 @ 1209 I think that is most likely what is actually going on. Perry D will all over Snooks.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:43 AM (pmzey)

1203 >>> Yeah, if Perry gets the nod I really doubt he will want ANY snookification from Sarah Palin.

That's not the point. The point is that it is absurd to argue, as some did, that her look-the-media-is-playing-hide-and-seek-with-me-and-my-bus game makes her a statesman we want running the country.

It's trivial. Trivial as snookie. It is not a point in her favor.

But since this is really all she can do, some supporters start claiming this is the greatest skill a would-be president could have.

It's ridiculous. "She drives the media crazy!" Oh, terrific. I was just thinking to myself "I need a candidate that drives the media crazy, like George Washington did."

Sorry. I want someone more serious. Not someone playing some kind of Andy Kaufmanesque reality tv game show with the media.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:43 AM (nj1bB)

1204 Palinistas are having trouble convincing people who would pull the red lever regardless of the candidate that Palin is viable.

Good luck with Indys.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 01:43 AM (nRTou)

1205 By dweebs Ace, I mean you.

Seriously. You can't figure out what her role in the next election is going to be?

She is NOT RUNNING.

Sarah will be the voice of The Tea Party in this election.

And whoever the nominee is... They better listen.

It's that easy.

Try to get with the program.

Posted by: Freedomplow at September 04, 2011 01:45 AM (GLP9X)

1206 She resigned because she didn't want the job anymore, and wanted a different one. Period. All the melodramatics about saving her family and the state are nonsense cooked up by people trying to convince themselves of something that isn't true.
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (nj1bB)
Damn, Ace, you really paid money for that disgruntled aide's book, didn't you?

Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 01:45 AM (hfrm2)

1207 Palin left the AK government running how it was before she was nominated, because she left it in the hands of her lieutenant who was on the exact same political page as her. I don't think the people of AK voted to have their state house become a neverending political spectacle... when she left, she took the spectacle with her.

She might have sacrificed her entire political career in the process. According to her detractors, she did do exactly that. But somehow this was totally and completely selfish because she wrote books like every other freaking politician. Oh, and stupid. Because she's stupid.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:45 AM (5I0Yr)

1208 to follow on ace's last post, she announced because of the ethics complaints she was not running for re-election. then in the speech she rambled on about lame duck governors traveling and milking it for all its worth and she was gonna pass on that and step down. but of course she didnt have to do those things, she had a choice to stay and work hard for the rest of her term. hell she talked about choices earlier in the speech. she made a choice to leave office so she could start her celebrity career asap, she's not a fighter and if she runs for president she'll quit before super tuesday trailing in about 5th place behind ron paul.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:46 AM (xAq1C)

1209 >>>She has been out there in the arena, a la Teddy R.

>>>T-Paw? Perry? Not as much...

Yeah, because being a three-term governor of the biggest, fastest-growing state in the union (Perry), or fighting successfully tooth-and-nail against a hard-liberal legislature for conservative, low-tax/pro-growth over two terms (Pawlenty) isn't "in the arena."
Those guys were practically sunning themselves in Acapulco, they had it so fucking easy.
I can't believe you people sometimes. You think "in the arena" means "fielding softball questions from Sean Hannity for $5,000,000 a year" and "paying someone to write Facebook posts for you," as opposed to the hard work of actually, you know, GOVERNING.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 01:46 AM (hIWe1)

1210 Good job, and I agree. There was no "there," there.

Posted by: Beverly Nuckols at September 04, 2011 01:46 AM (QdL0g)

1211 If Palin declares and loses, supporters like me will overwhelmingly gravitate to another conservative leaning Republican in 2012. I can't imagine even 1% of us Palinistas sitting out the election or voting for Obama.

And if she declares, at the time and place of her choosing, and takes the nomination, she will have definitively refudiated the pollsters and apoplectic naysayers who have appointed themselves guardians of the lamp...

So what's the downside?

Palin 2012

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 01:47 AM (QNU76)

1212 "But since this is really all she can do" Really Ace?

I see, so Johnny, if we want to discuss/argue with you here we need to give you some kind of disparaging name, bring the leftest talking points, and kiss ass? Got it!

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:50 AM (pmzey)

1213 Huh?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 01:51 AM (nRTou)

1214 >>>She might have sacrificed her entire political career in the process. According to her detractors, she did do exactly that. But somehow this was totally and completely selfish because she wrote books like every other freaking politician. Oh, and stupid. Because she's stupid.

She sacrificed NOTHING, not even (from the looks of her rabid fanbase) the chance to be considered as a presidential candidate. She gained EVERYTHING: massive financial gain, a far, far easier and more rewarding lifestyle, media celebrity, people hanging on her every word, and the ability to wield influence and power without even the slightest shred of responsibility to any constituents.

It's actually getting sickening how Palinistas keep trying to spin her actions as "sacrificial." It was the most selfish fucking thing she could have done. She left the people of Alaska in the lurch to make money and be a media figure. And she didn't even emphasize a "need to protect herself or her family" when she did it. That is, as Ace has pointed out ten thousand times on this thread alone, REVISIONIST HISTORY by her narrative-shaping fans.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 01:52 AM (hIWe1)

1215 @ 1207 -- Well, Steph, you certainly know how to disguise your mirth.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:52 AM (+iwM3)

1216 She was not "the most popular governor in America" at any time.
Misinterpretation that keeps on being perpetuated.

Posted by: Oghma at September 04, 2011 01:54 AM (f0qST)

1217 chas@1208,

And now your sin of omission WRT my rather significant point about contemporary trends and running away from that fact. She did exactly what I'd have done in her shoes. Because you assert it a fuckup doesn't make it so. And how exactly is defending her on this point an all encompassing treatise that "Sarah can do no wrong?" You keep introducing preconceived baggage of your own mind.

chas: "just because she screwed up doesnt mean you cant
support her still. but lots of us will not because of that and trying to
convince us she had not options, etc, etc just reveals you to be a
sycophant who thinks sarah can do no wrong."

Hey, thanks for the blessing. Good to know I've earned your permission. As far as convincing you of options, that's a moot point. I'm not trying to convince you of the options. They were known and have been hashed numerous times. (Check Ace's archives if you weren't here during Palinmania.) I'm appending context to the "quitting" narrative that is steadfastly ignored whenever Palin's tenure is challenged.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 01:54 AM (r4t7/)

1218 Johnny, Rick Perry has no chance to win. He is Bush junior. Bush was his political godfather. The media will hammer him about this relentlessly. Those aren't just rumors. The pain is coming. You Rick Perry ball munchers need to understand that this man is King of Rinos. Have you ever heard him debate? He'd probably got a seven on the wonderlic.

*I don't believe ALL of this, just trying get myself primed (pun intended).

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:55 AM (pmzey)

1219 @ 1217 -- I don't think the people of AK voted to have their state house become a
neverending political spectacle... when she left, she took the spectacle
with her.

And, somehow, you've convinced yourself that voters are going to line up in droves so she can take the spectacle with her into the White House.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:56 AM (+iwM3)

1220 1209
But it is "the narrative"...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (5I0Yr)
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No. What this is.....is an outpouring of "fed up with the bullshit" that has been coming from Palin's direction.
All this year Palin has been saying that she was waiting to see if a "strong conservative" entered the race. Well Perry is that guy. He is even further to the right than Palin ever has been.
But instead of indorsing Perry, there has been a non-stop flow of Perry bashing going on for the last three weeks.....on just about every site that allows commenting. And it has been coming from Palin supporters.
So, this is not "lets suddenly bash Sarah today"....this is pushbacktowards what has been instigated by and flowed from, team Palin.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 04, 2011 01:56 AM (EJCSi)

1221
Posted by: Oghma at September 04, 2011 01:54 AM (f0qST)

she had the highes approval ratings of any sitting governor. how is that misinterpreting?

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 01:57 AM (xAq1C)

1222 >>>She is NOT RUNNING.

Some days I think she is. This is one of those days.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:58 AM (nj1bB)

1223 It's actually getting sickening how Palinistas keep trying to spin her actions as "sacrificial."
That wasn't spin. I explained it carefully in extremely straightforward words. Did the people of AK vote to have their state house become the political spectacle that the DNC operatives made it post-election? Yes or no...?

She left the people of Alaska in the lurch to make money and be a media figure.

How did she leave them in the lurch? What lurch? It's another thing I explained that you ignored to make some point about her "family", which I said absolutely nothing about.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:59 AM (5I0Yr)

1224 Perry will be the next President.

Obama will lose big and Sarah will have a lot to do with it.

She will be offered "energy secretary" and turn it down.





Posted by: Freedomplow at September 04, 2011 01:59 AM (GLP9X)

1225 Pmzey,

That's all fine. At least he's in the fucking race. We'll see what happens with any of these charges. I don't think they hold much weight personally because being the 11-year Governor of the second largest state of the union, I think we might have heard a little bit about it before now. But hey, maybe you're right.

As for debates, no I haven't heard him live. I have heard recaps of his dealings in previous debates and no only does he seem to hold his own, he sounds hysterical. As for Palin, she tends to have trouble with such intellectual powerhouses like Joe Biden and Katie Couric. But, she's not running. Or is she? She's such a maverick keeping us guessing like this...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:02 AM (nRTou)

1226 Maybe it's just me, but since I basically write FaceBook posts, I do not consider it a serious job. Neither do I consider giving interviews on Fox a serious job.

I don't consider it strenuous. I don't think it shows grit. I think it's easy, and more power to anyone who can get that, but that doesn't indicate grit to me.

or attention to detail. or... anything.

I spout off all day so it may be weird to say this but I have no respect for professional spouters. (yes, I speak of myself in that. I'm not a happy campter.)

I just consider it bullshit.

And I think I'm in the majority in looking down my nose at media-workers.

It's not exactly being a pilot, or a doctor, or a businessman. Or a governor.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:03 AM (nj1bB)

1227 >>>How did she leave them in the lurch? What lurch?

They elected her to be their governor. She resigned halfway through her term for reasons that were frankly self-interested (and not, say, something understandable like health-related issues). How is that NOT bugging out on one's responsibilities and leaving the people who elected you to serve in the lurch?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:03 AM (hIWe1)

1228 Even the liberal Politifact concedes her popularity was through the roof in 2008. Was there another governor running approvals north of 80%? Does it make any difference? Apparently it does to those who cannot concede any virtue at all to Sarah Palin lest they be hit by kosmic bolts of lightning lol.

http://tinyurl.com/3q44vkr

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 02:04 AM (QNU76)

1229 But instead of indorsing Perry, there has been a non-stop flow of Perry
bashing going on for the last three weeks.....on just about every site
that allows commenting. And it has been coming from Palin supporters.

This is primary season. Candidates are supposed to get bashed. I guarantee you there's a lot of people lining up to bash Rick Perry right now. It's not all Palin supporters, or even most. F*ck, just asking a question about Rick Perry's record two days after he entered the race was considered an off-limits "bash", and Perry people suddenly became as sensitive about him as supporters of every other candidate are about their guy. But their strangely prickly cactus defenses are selfless and amazing or something, and Palin is a shrew b*tch whore.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:04 AM (5I0Yr)

1230 @ 1233 -- Did the people of AK vote to have their state house become the political
spectacle that the DNC operatives made it post-election? Yes or no...?

Will the American people vote to have the White House become the spectacle that DNC operative would make it post-election? Yes or no...?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 02:05 AM (+iwM3)

1231 Johnny, cool.

If she's getting the pinball treatment from the media (including conservatives) now what will happen if she does enter? Maybe you guys really are being trolled by her. If so I lol in your general direction.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:06 AM (pmzey)

1232 >>>F*ck, just asking a question about Rick Perry's record two days after he entered the race was considered an off-limits "bash", and Perry people suddenly became as sensitive about him as supporters of every other candidate are about their guy.

I got a little charged after Malkin's silly crap about not respecting property rights was followed by Pam Geller's "5th columnist Jihadist candidate?"

I smelled an agenda.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:06 AM (nj1bB)

1233 How is that NOT bugging out on one's responsibilities and leaving the people who elected you to serve in the lurch?

The state house had become a clusterf*ck of miserable ethics charges, funded by the endless coffers of the DNC, in an effort to destroy her. That's not what Alaska voters voted for.

So she resigned, left her lieutenant in charge to run the government exactly how she was running it before the nomination... and returned Alaska to the dark political corner of the world it has always resided in. You can't see this at all? Not a shred of it rings any possible truth bells for you? Really?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:08 AM (5I0Yr)

1234 Oh, we're being "trolled"? LOL from Sarah?

What's the plan? To piss off most Republicans? I don't understand the strategy here. Three months ago she could have entered the race and been a major player. Now, she's an also-ran. Check the polls.

This is my fault for being annoyed at her campaign strategy (is it a campaign????)? It's obnoxious, and it's exactly why her support has collapsed. But hey, blame me I guess.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:09 AM (nRTou)

1235 Voters don't want Palin to run for the same reason Palin didn't want O'Donnell in Iowa.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 02:10 AM (+iwM3)

1236 anonymousdrivel,

can you admit or even imagine that she had any *self* interest in this decision to quit at all, or is everything cast in your mind as being done for others, not just her family, but also apparently to protect the state of alaska from distraction and $3 million in costs?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:10 AM (nj1bB)

1237 calm down, jeff b., ulcers are bad for you.

Posted by: at_liberty at September 04, 2011 02:10 AM (mLzys)

1238 This is a person we're talking about, right?

And not some kind of Seraphim descended from heaven, right?

I mean, she is sometimes motivated by human drives occasionally and all? She's not just a pure being always thinking of how to better the lives of others, right?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:11 AM (nj1bB)

1239 1239
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:04 AM (5I0Yr)
From the other candidates.....fine. But Palin is not a candidate is she? Right nowshe is only a self appointed judge of whata "true conservative"is, while keeping herself safe from the vetting process by remaining in this state of indecision.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 04, 2011 02:12 AM (EJCSi)

1240 >>>Voters don't want Palin to run for the same reason Palin didn't want O'Donnell in Iowa.

exactly. And O'Donnell was seized on a *test run* for Palin.

Well, the test results came back, and now it's claimed that wasn't a test run at all.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:12 AM (nj1bB)

1241 >>>calm down, jeff b., ulcers are bad for you.

This is a statement of concession. Once you've moved to the "lighten up, Francis!" stage, you've acknowledged that you can't rebut the argument.

I don't get ulcers, by the way. And I'm perfectly calm.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:13 AM (hIWe1)

1242 Maybe payback for the way she gets treated? Maybe because she actually can be a king maker in this election? Maybe something happened to her in her childhood and she just wants to take it out on Republicans (least likely).

I do know this. You would be unwise to think her support is that eroded. Whoever gets the nod will learn this lesson.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:13 AM (pmzey)

1243 I smelled an agenda.
Yeah, so that happens when your guy is "the guy". And sensitivity spikes. It doesn't make you crazed... unless you absolutely can't stand it when other people do it for their candidate. Or do you think Captain Rick is the first nominee to ever face people with an agenda?

As it happens, I was referring to critics in comments sections, who should be allowed to ask about a record of someone new to the national scene without having 500 people jump down their throat.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:13 AM (5I0Yr)

1244 Oh NOES! Over 1200 posts. All you people stop posting. Right Now! So someone can pretend she's an unimportant has-been that nobody cares about.

lol, c'mon folks. Think of the huge fun we will have if Palin runs, is nominated, and wins. The absolutely SPECTACULAR meltdown by the left and establishment Repubs. The entertainment value alone makes it a value-play. Imagine Couric - Madcow - Cwissy/Tweety -- oh hell yes. Palin 2012.

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 02:16 AM (QNU76)

1245 "exactly. And O'Donnell was seized on a *test run* for Palin."

This argument is invalid. The same reason O'Donnell was put up (sentiment in the country) is what gave us back the house. Period.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:17 AM (pmzey)

1246 The most expensive ethics complaint filed against Palin was the one she issued against herself re: troopergate, so that makes her "I resigned for the state" argument even more ridiculous.

Posted by: ThatGuy at September 04, 2011 02:18 AM (M8UmI)

1247 pmzey,

You don't get it. She's destroying her brand. Palin is stuck. She pissed off the GOP, the tea party is souring on her and she's locked in this flirting with the Presidency game.

Once she jumps in, the polls will start confirming what she already knows - that her popularity has crashed. If she doesn't, what is her purpose exactly?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:18 AM (nRTou)

1248 We all support some politicians (who are, in general, absolute slime) over others and do tend to think those people are "better" than the others. No?

Or is this now another novel trait of Palin supporters but doesn't apply to anybody else at all, because supporters of everyone else are so fair-minded about their candidate and supporters of Palin are crazed lunatics who {gasp} think good things about her?

Anybody else, like supporters of Rick Perry, who has apparently never done anything wrong of note at all? Ever? And the things that he has done wrong we can let slide because, well, RICK PERRY...

MOTHERF*CKERS?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:20 AM (5I0Yr)

1249 @ 1255 -- If that sentiment wasn't enough to carry O'Donnell into the Senate in 2010, what the hell makes you think it's going to be enough to propel Palin into the White House in 2012 when the majority of tea partiers don't want her to run?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 02:21 AM (+iwM3)

1250 ace: "Again, better to resign rather than try? Really?"

Again, yes. I know you'd make a better governor what with the spitting on hands to hoist the black flag and slitting some throats, but some of us just aren't made of the sterner stuff. Or find a different avenue more productive.





"Guess the serving the people who had elected her in a position of high trust wasn't high on her priority list."

Of course that's right. Officiating from the court and from law offices remains profoundly productive and in the best interest of trusting constituents. They love that sort of prioritization. Look how well Clinton and Blagojevich were able to sideline events and make their offices glide like Castrol. For the People.






"She resigned because she didn't want the job anymore, and wanted a different one. Period."
OK, on this I might agree. But I, unlike you, think her reasons -- and reasons shared by me -- were justified. Under the conditions at the time, I understand not wanting the job anymore as structured. Our rationalizations differ which is fine. But that's not what pisses me off. It's the passive-aggressive, shortcut "quitting" slam that gets tossed so readily. It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit on SNL.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:22 AM (r4t7/)

1251 Welp. There you have it. Johnny has spoken.

Dang and we were so close! I blame it on O'Donnell and 2010 in general.

Okay, I gotta go.

I'm in the middle of a big bike race.




Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:23 AM (pmzey)

1252 OK, on this I might agree. But I, unlike you, think her reasons -- and reasons shared by me -- were justified. Under the conditions at the time, I understand not wanting the job anymore as structured. Our rationalizations differ which is fine. But that's not what pisses me off. It's the passive-aggressive, shortcut "quitting" slam that gets tossed so readily. It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit on SNL.

----

Alright. Who cares why she quit?

She's a half term Governor with worse poll numbers and favoribility ratings than the most colossal failure of a President in our lifetimes AND has less executive experience.

Enough already.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:25 AM (nRTou)

1253 >>>It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit on SNL.

Yes, one where Palin keeps quitting everything abruptly.

You still don't seem to understand: even IF her reasons were "justified" (they weren't, not even close) she STILL is a quitter. People who quit for good reasons are still looked upon as severely damaged goods. People who quit for bad reasons? They're unelectable.

Those are your two choices with Palin, NOT "totally undamaged" vs. "sort of damaged."

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:25 AM (hIWe1)

1254 >>>This argument is invalid. The same reason O'Donnell was put up (sentiment in the country) is what gave us back the house. Period.

Some of us had good enough political sense to support winners like rubio and yet still reject losers Christine O'Donnell.

Some people just have faulty political sensory organ, and yet want to be applauded for picking losers, because at least their hearts were in the right place.

I find this whole thing very lefty.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:26 AM (nj1bB)

1255 I think there is a lot of merit to the idea of Palin as the Tea Party kingmaker of the primaries.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:26 AM (8Zpuz)

1256 @ 1259 Well, I would guess that sentiment wouldn't carry over into California either, but you are probably right. Also, don't worry about SP getting into the primary. I read that only 8 Tea Baggers are supporting her. Man, people are really turning this into a circus. *snort

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:26 AM (pmzey)

1257 You know, it's about time someone had the balls to point it out:

Sarah Palin is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:27 AM (hIWe1)

1258 Some of us had good enough political sense to support winners like rubio and yet still reject losers Christine O'Donnell.

Ace weren't you down on Rubio for a little bit?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:28 AM (8Zpuz)

1259
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:20 AM (5I0Yr)

rick has done wrong, gardasil and trans texas corridor are 2 right off the bat. some people will never forgive him for those things and that is their perogative. me, i see it as he tried to lead in a direction saw there was too much resistance and dropped the issues. if people want to castigate him for floating ideas than so be it. it just make others wary of ever trying new things. hell, even w/ those black marks he beat the crap out of KBH in the primary and white in the general.

Posted by: chas at September 04, 2011 02:28 AM (xAq1C)

1260 @ 1260
-- It's the passive-aggressive, shortcut "quitting" slam that gets tossed
so readily. It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit
on SNL.

It might seem that way until you consider the fact that the chief rationale her supporters offer up in her defense is that she's the only "fighter" in the bunch willing to take it to the opposition and not back down. The day she resigned was the day that facade began to crumble.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 02:28 AM (+iwM3)

1261 Ace, you think she's going to run?
I don't think so anymore....That thing she said today about "I'm not for sale" gives her the out that she can play with to justify not running.
I mean, who would seriously donate to her in the quantities that will be necessary to win, with her record of cut and run? So, now she can simply say that she 'refused to sell her soul' in order to get in the race.
Which serves to further insinuate that 'everyone but her' is an impure sellout.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 04, 2011 02:29 AM (EJCSi)

1262 Sarah Palin is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.



Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:27 AM (hIWe1)
Oh lawd. It's on.
Hard to make that argument when you look at how financially successful she is though.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:29 AM (8Zpuz)

1263 Her best speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRoTx18TdbU

Posted by: Freedomplow at September 04, 2011 02:30 AM (GLP9X)

1264 Sure Ace, there are people like that. But Christine looked a lot better in the beginning and she got lots of monies from out of state. Kind of like how Perry is gonna look before zippergate (just kidding).

Yes, attacks on Palin seem rather lefty to me also.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:30 AM (pmzey)

1265 Hard to make that argument when you look at how financially successful she is though. 
-----
Obama isn't?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:31 AM (nRTou)

1266 >>>Oh lawd. It's on.

Yeah, I'm definitely stirring the shit with that one.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:31 AM (hIWe1)

1267 >>>OK, on this I might agree. But I, unlike you, think her reasons -- and reasons shared by me -- were justified. Under the conditions at the time, I understand not wanting the job anymore as structured. Our rationalizations differ which is fine. But that's not what pisses me off. It's the passive-aggressive, shortcut "quitting" slam that gets tossed so readily. It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit on SNL.

It's not passive aggressive. I'm saying she goddamned quit the governorship. There is nothing passive aggressive here.

Further, I am saying she wanted to quit, for reasons that are not, as you protest, selfless and pure.

I think she could have gotten the law changed. We can argue about that, of course, precisely because it is a hypothetical; she did not even try.

After weeks of speculation by 'sources' that she might seek better fortunes at fox, she did in fact seek better fortunes at fox.

Apparently, all that's needed for the average person to get behind Palin is to forget everything he knows about human nature and just accept that Palin is a near-angelic being who makes decisions to quit a governorship and get paid big money by the media only to spare her family some economic distress and also to spare alaska distrction and costs.

That's ALL someone needs to believe.

I think maybe this is the problem; I guess some people DO believe this, so of course they support her. If you begin with the assumption she's a Lightworker, of course you would naturally support her.

I don't. I think her motives were largely about money and lifestyle and while that's fine, you do not get to quit the governorship and then say "Now make me president."

How many unpaid vs. paid speaking gigs does Palin do, by the way? I got the sense it was heavy on the paid ones.

Nothing wrong with that, but it does tend to undermine the claim that this was all done to spare the people of Alaska distraction, and she "sacrificed" heroically on their account.



Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:32 AM (nj1bB)

1268 Obama isn't?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:31 AM (nRTou)
Everything Obama has, and everything he is, was handed to him. Including his damn ghostwritten "memoir." Whatever else you can say about her, Sarah Palin is definitely a self-made woman.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (8Zpuz)

1269 >>>Ace weren't you down on Rubio for a little bit?

You mean when I was writing him gay-sex love-letters in my headlines?

No, not really. I was pretty early on that.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (nj1bB)

1270 ace: "can you admit or even imagine that she had any
*self* interest in this decision to quit at all..."

I think it was all of those things: Personal, professional, legal, sacrificial. She was in a corner and found a productive way to get out. I don't think there's any way she could have predicted her post-office success (or failure) though many assume they could. Stardom is fleeting and she couldn't possibly predict that; so, she salvaged what she could and left AK politics in less openly hostile hands. Then she capitalized on fame and recognition to a) finance her future and b) become a movement candidate.

I'd say she's been amazingly successful and she's done good work for conservatives despite heavily loaded slings and arrows. Self-centered? I dunno. That's living, isn't it? But self-sacrificial, too. Everyone measures with his own scale.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (r4t7/)

1271 Sarah Palin is a quitter just like James T. Kirk is a cheater.

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 02:34 AM (G7Jng)

1272 @ 1271 -- There was also the part where she said, paraphrasing, "You don't need to have a title to make a difference."

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 02:34 AM (+iwM3)

1273 Nothing wrong with that, but it does tend to undermine the claim that
this was all done to spare the people of Alaska distraction, and she
"sacrificed" heroically on their account.

Paid engagements? No it doesn't. They have nothing to do with one another. Sh*t... doing most of the engagements unpaid would probably play heavily into the "stupid" meme, and rightly so.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:35 AM (5I0Yr)

1274 Everything Obama has, and everything he is, was handed to him.  Including his damn ghostwritten "memoir."  Whatever else you can say about her, Sarah Palin is definitely a self-made woman.
-----
I would never argue any of that, I was just saying he's financially successful.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:35 AM (nRTou)

1275 Rick Perry is a cheater like, well...James T. Kirk is a cheater.

(I don't really mean that, nor do I think it's good but why not? Every bodies doing it!)

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:36 AM (pmzey)

1276 oh and by the way, the comments at Hot Air are fucking retarded as usual. More at 11.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:36 AM (8Zpuz)

1277 No, not really. I was pretty early on that.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (nj1bB)
Yeah, archives seem to bear that out. A horny Ewok is tough to miss.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:38 AM (8Zpuz)

1278 Perry is a repressed homosexual (luckily he found that church!). That one is coming also.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:38 AM (pmzey)

1279 Paid engagements? No it doesn't. They have nothing to do with one another. Sh*t... doing most of the engagements unpaid would probably play heavily into the "stupid" meme, and rightly so.
-------
Can we get serious? Since she quit:

Book Deals
Paid Speaking Engagements
Reality Show
Daughter on Reality Show
Television Contract

Did she show up to speak unpaid sometimes? I'm sure. Are see supposed to ignore all that above?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:38 AM (nRTou)

1280 I don't normally do this, but I gotta say goodnight here, everyone. It's been fun. In fact, I'll do you one better... I am now "quitting" this thread for the good of AoS readers. Incidentally, I love you all a lot more when you're being funny. Except you, Jeff B. You're never funny and I love you anyway.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:38 AM (5I0Yr)

1281 But self-sacrificial, too. Everyone measures with his own scale.


Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (r4t7/)
Self sacrificial, eh. Have you seen her house in Arizona?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:39 AM (8Zpuz)

1282 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLosOQP400

Posted by: Freedomplow at September 04, 2011 02:39 AM (GLP9X)

1283 Johnny (John E.): "Alright. Who cares why she quit?"

Because all the facts matter unless you prefer filtered data.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:40 AM (r4t7/)

1284 Perry is friends with Troy Aikman. Not even a joke. But there is a joke there if you know the joke that is there.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:40 AM (pmzey)

1285 >>>But Christine looked a lot better in the beginning

No, she really didn't. Conservatives are very quick to convince themselves that "the public doesn't want brainpower or accomplishments or normality in its leaders."

Not true. But they keep telling themselves that. Lately there really IS a strong hint of anti-intellectualism in the air, because when someone gets behind a frankly dumb bunny like Christine O'Donnell, of course one of the first things he'll have to claim is "Brains don't really matter."

You have to claim that. It's politically necessary when you nominate a dummy. But this is a good reason why you should avoid nominating a dummy, because your first line of argument is going to have to be "the jury's still out on intelligence."

You could watch her old tapes and see she was weird and dumb. But people didn't watch them. Or didn't care. I'd seen them. Of all the conservative chat-guests I'd seen, she was pretty much the bottom of the barrel. And I knew she would "not wear well" as I warned, but people like convincing themselves of foolish things.

Sure, no one likes a smarty pants! They like people with average intelligence or, even better, a bit lower, so they can see they're Just Plain Folks (TM).

There's an old saying: Assume people are smarter than you are, not dumber, when formulating plans. Don't formulate plans based on them being dumb.

And I really think that many self-styled strategists keep thinking the public is stupid and so they can put up any dummy they like and convince the stupid public that the dummy is actually smart.

No. There is a limit to spin. Whoever it is who has these absurd ideas that we can just spin anything, because we are sooo smart and the public is so dumb they'll believe anything, really should check their own IQ.

The public as a general matter may be disengaged from politics and not as informed as we are, but they are not dumb. And you can't throw a dummy at them and tell them she's a Senator.


Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:43 AM (nj1bB)

1286 Because all the facts matter unless you prefer filtered data.
-----
My point was that let's put aside why she resigned (since everyone is arguing about it) and look at what she's done since then.

What about her career path since then leads anyone to believe she's a serious politician and not someone seeking pundit/diva status?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:44 AM (nRTou)

1287 Book Deals
- Every politician who can does this


Paid Speaking Engagements
- Every politician who can does this


Reality Show
- That was a little weird. Probably hoping for some image rehab. Then she got tried and convicted for mass murder committed by a deranged lefty.


Daughter on Reality Show
- Daughter's decision.


Television Contract - For political punditry. Not particularly unprecedented, really.

So out of that list, I see one weird thing. The Alaska show.

I did say I was quitting. Guess I'm not as good at quitting as her!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:45 AM (5I0Yr)

1288 >>> I don't think there's any way she could have predicted her post-office success (or failure) though many assume they could.

As I believe she had already discussed the vague outlines of the deal with fox, yes, I think she could have predicted it.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:47 AM (nj1bB)

1289 someone who's all about sacrifice to others could do more unpaid rally events... for others.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:47 AM (nj1bB)

1290 Yes, every politician does those things (except the reality shows), but not everyone leaves their elected position to pursue them. It's sort of a big difference.

And to quibble - she showed up on her daughter's reality show more than once.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:48 AM (nRTou)

1291 1300 comments. Ace up till 2. Fucking Jeffb, being jeffb.
All for a dumb quitter.
Now that I think about it, the gay Rubio shit is a little less funny, and a lot more gay.

Posted by: Twat Spotter at September 04, 2011 02:52 AM (ucASA)

1292 Jeff B: "...People who quit for good reasons are still looked
upon as severely damaged goods. People who quit for bad reasons? They're unelectable. Those are your two choices with Palin, NOT 'totally undamaged' vs. 'sort of damaged.'"

Primaries are for determining who is electable and unelectable. And even then we get "electables" like McCain. When Palin declares and enters the oh-so-defined policy wonk debate that others are assertedly advancing, then I'll measure Palin against them. I like a good primary and look forward to detail other than, "Hey, that Palin sure has an annoying voice." And, "Did ya see what she was wearing? Nice tits and all and I'll vote for the boobies, but not the booby."

Besides, Perry will get damaged, too. Everyone gets damaged. He'll be sorta damaged. If he gets the roto-rooting Palin got, he'll be quite damaged. But since this is a referendum election on SCoaMF, it won't matter. A damaged bag of wet shit could be president in 2012.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:52 AM (r4t7/)

1293 I think the Palinistas are just pissy because they heard that Rick Perry is a better shot than Palin.
Personally I'm hoping to see a campaign video of Perry and Nugent shooting giant wild hogzillas from a hellicopter. With the tag line:
"Send Perry to Washington to get Fedzilla off our backs"

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 04, 2011 02:54 AM (EJCSi)

1294 >>> If he gets the roto-rooting Palin got, he'll be quite damaged.

Palin's main roto-rootering was that she sounded dumb.

Sorry, but she often did.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:54 AM (nj1bB)

1295 Primaries are for determining who is electable and unelectable.

That's why Palin is never going to declare

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 02:54 AM (8Zpuz)

1296 "And you can't throw a dummy at them and tell them she's a Senator" Sure you can, I give you Barack Hussien Obama.

Palin is not Christine O'Donnell. Like I said, I would vote for Perry, but I will stand by my earlier statement that right now people just want someone who is for real; loves America, not a commie or socialist, follows the constitution, etc. etc. These people running the country now are the supposed smart ones. The economy will not recover while this man is in office, so yes I want the Republicans to win and maybe Perry is the guy to do that. But that doesn't mean people have to tear down SP. Also, Rick Perry smells like yeasty bread. lol


Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 02:54 AM (pmzey)

1297 >>>Palin is not Christine O'Donnell.

And when you were supporting Christine O'Donnell, she wasn't Christine O'Donnell, either. She was a very smart, very virtuous lady who would win over blue Delaware with her smile.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:55 AM (nj1bB)

1298 someone who's all about sacrifice to others could do more unpaid rally events... for others.

I didn't say she was "all about sacrifice". I said that her act of resigning the governorship was potentially sacrificing her political career for the good of her state, which was being overrun by DNC thugs and operatives. I didn't even say it was amazing or anything. Just that that's pretty much a fact if you believe her state was better off with her lieutenant running it and with the DNC out of its hair, and that her political career was worse off.

Many supposedly very smart pundits who claim to be a lot smarter than her, said her career was over that day, and the meme for nearly a year afterwards was that she was "irrelevant".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:55 AM (5I0Yr)

1299 Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:

38-53

Early poll Palin vs. Obama

37-51

Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:57 AM (nj1bB)

1300 I want the Republicans to win and maybe Perry is the guy to do that.  But that doesn't mean people have to tear down SP.  Also, Rick Perry smells like yeasty bread. 
----
Okay, so tell us - what is Palin's purpose? So far she has been sniping at declared GOP candidates and refused to announce her intentions. If she's about elevating conservatives, she's doing a pretty shitty job right now. If she's the one true conservative (tm), why won't she declare.

Don't you get how this act is wearing thin?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:58 AM (nRTou)

1301 >>>Many supposedly very smart pundits who claim to be a lot smarter than her, said her career was over that day, and the meme for nearly a year afterwards was that she was "irrelevant".

Yeah. I was one of them. I stand by it. Her career in electoral politics (unless it's years from now, after a rehabilitation) is over, even if she doesn't realize it.

Sure, she can run, as can Christine O'Donnell or Alan Keyes.

That's not the same as taking office.

You really don't seem to get that quitting a major position like governor is not a good move if you really want to be president and wish to convince people of your qualifications for that office.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:59 AM (nj1bB)

1302 Palin is not a dummie. Or am I wrong? Are you taking all da memes as fact?

Rick Perry debuting at 14%!!! Numbers change? ZOMG!

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:00 AM (pmzey)

1303 1306
"And you can't throw a dummy at them and tell them she's a Senator" Sure you can, I give you Barack Hussien Obama.

A dummy with degrees from Columbia and Harvard Law. Sure, we know he's not that smart, but to the average person, those degrees do (and should) sound reputable enough. Most people like to pretend affirmative action doesn't exist.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:00 AM (8Zpuz)

1304 >>>I didn't say she was "all about sacrifice". I said that her act of resigning the governorship was potentially sacrificing her political career for the good of her state

She sacrificed a job she didn't want and couldn't hack and wasn't fun anymore for an easy-peasy million+ a year gig on fox.

What a trooper.

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 03:01 AM (nj1bB)

1305 >>>Palin is not a dummie.

I don't think she's smart. She doesn't sound smart, at least, which is the way we usually guess at someone's intelligence.

And, as I said, years ago, "She really needs to bone up on wonkish policy to reverse people's beliefs," and people told me, 'Oh no, people think wonkery and intelligence is inauthentic..."

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 03:02 AM (nj1bB)

1306 I dropped out of high school so I could focus on getting into Stanford.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 03:03 AM (+iwM3)

1307 Johnny, I don't believe she is going to run. That's why I think it's unfair to kick her around. I also believe that she wants to be a king maker. So she is keeping her pimp hand strong.

But if she does run, she can't really win the primary can she? That would be idiotic to think that, right?

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:03 AM (pmzey)

1308 Palin is not a dummie.  Or am I wrong?  Are you taking all da memes as fact?

Rick Perry debuting at 14%!!!  Numbers change?  ZOMG!
--------
You're ignoring that Perry started low and then rose because he gained name recognition.

Palin has name recognition. Probably more than any politician outside of Obama. Her favorables are terrible. How do you fix that? Maybe another reality show or US Weekly cover will finally do it.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:03 AM (nRTou)

1309 damn dirty rino,

did it work?

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 03:04 AM (nj1bB)

1310 Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man: "Self sacrificial, eh. Have you seen her house in Arizona?"

Not yet. I'll assume it's sweet. But yeah, self-sacrificial along with the aforementioned considerations. She can do good while she does good for herself. I'm not voting for Janice the Baptist though some project that "Palinistas" must behave with deluded, religious fervor apart and above their own unique candidate of relative purity.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:04 AM (r4t7/)

1311 Yes, every politician does those things (except the reality shows), but
not everyone leaves their elected position to pursue them. It's sort of
a big difference.



She took the chance of becoming "irrelevant" when she did it, and her state was far better off after she left.

And to quibble - she showed up on her daughter's reality show more than once.

In the audience. Is there a unit smaller than a quibble?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:05 AM (5I0Yr)

1312 Jehuat September 03, 2011 04:30 PM

That right there, Ace.

Pull up yer socks.

Posted by: YFS at September 04, 2011 03:05 AM (Qo7sI)

1313 Johnny, I don't believe she is going to run.  That's why I think it's unfair to kick her around
-----
I think it's perfectly reasonable to kick her around for this nonsense, and so do plenty of other people. Because it's childish. There's an easy way for it to stop. Just announce she's not running. But she won't do that. Have you ever asked yourself why that is?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:06 AM (nRTou)

1314 November 13, 1979; for comparison.
If perhaps you have advanced the "shit or git off the pot" bs, perhaps you need a litte perspective.

Posted by: Twat Spotter at September 04, 2011 03:06 AM (ucASA)

1315 She can do good while she does good for herself.Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:04 AM (r4t7/)


Getting paid for doing good is usually not considered sacrificial.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:07 AM (8Zpuz)

1316 I will look forward to the posts touting Perrry's brilliance. We might as well steal more memes from the left.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:07 AM (pmzey)

1317 @ 1319 -- did it work?

Right up until they asked for my transcripts.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 03:08 AM (+iwM3)

1318 Yoshi --

Totally random question, but your username leads me to wonder: are you Japanese? Or is the name just some reference I don't get?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:11 AM (hIWe1)

1319 In the audience. Is there a unit smaller than a quibble?
----
Oh right. She wasn't dancing. never mind, then.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:11 AM (nRTou)

1320 Johnny, maybe she wants to hear more of what the candidates say (especially in public). Maybe they will say something on say the border with Mexico or health care that might, you know, sway her opinion on who she wants to support more. You know, politics.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:11 AM (pmzey)

1321 And, as I said, years ago, "She really needs to bone up on wonkish
policy to reverse people's beliefs," and people told me, 'Oh no, people
think wonkery and intelligence is inauthentic..."

And if she had done that it would have proved to you she wasn't a quitter? Or anyone else? Wouldn't the meme then be that she "quit" so she would have selfish time to get smart about stuff and selfishly run for higher office? You're a pretty intelligent dude with good reasoning skills, but you seriously don't think you're the only person who can play this game, right?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:12 AM (5I0Yr)

1322
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53

Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51

Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
--------------------------------------------
May 1980:
Reagan 41
Carter 49

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 03:12 AM (G7Jng)

1323 Oh right. She wasn't dancing. never mind, then.

You're going to nail her for showing up and supporting her daughter in a big live national competition in front of millions because it gave her a total of a minute and thirty seconds of TV face time? Clapping?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:15 AM (5I0Yr)

1324 >>>And if she had done that it would have proved to you she wasn't a quitter? Or anyone else? Wouldn't the meme then be that she "quit" so she would have selfish time to get smart about stuff and selfishly run for higher office?

Oh you're right; it was over when she quit to take a million dollar job at fox.

But I was urging her to do this before that, I think. I and a lot of other people thought she should hit the books and come out in six months, sounding like a wonk.





Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 03:16 AM (nj1bB)

1325
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53

Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51

Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
--------------------------------------------
May 1980:
Reagan 41
Carter 49--------------------------------------------

Terms as Governor

Ronald Reagan 2

Sarah Palin ˝


Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 03:16 AM (+iwM3)

1326 >>>November 13, 1979; for comparison.
>>>If perhaps you have advanced the "shit or git off the pot" bs, perhaps you need a litte perspective.

I constantly see this cited ("Reagan didn't announce until November 1979!! ZOMG!") and every time I want to bang my head against a wall. Two things:

1.) The primary calendar and the campaign cycle was radically different in 1979-80 than it is in the 21st century. In terms of technology, media, the way campaigns are run, money issues, ad buys, donor campaigns (especially the amount you need to raise in order to compete) it has ALL CHANGED. Comparisons are retarded for that reason alone.

2.) They're especially retarded in the case of Reagan 1980. Reagan's announcement in November 1979 was a FORMALITY. It wasn't one of those "will he or won't he?" Palin dances; Reagan had been the frontrunner for the GOP nomination ever since 1976, pretty much, when he came in a very close second to Gerald Ford. Reagan was already making campaign appearances, raising money, giving speeches, assembling a team, etc. He had been for YEARS. So saying "but he didn't announce until November!" is just about the most ridiculous comparison imaginable. It's like saying Hillary Clinton didn't announce for the 2012 campaign until [X] -- it was a 100% given that both would be candidates, and leading ones at that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:17 AM (hIWe1)

1327 Totally random question, but your username leads me
to wonder: are you Japanese? Or is the name just some reference I
don't get?


Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:11 AM (hIWe1)
Yoshi is just because I like Mario's dinosaur. I'm half-Asian from an oriental tribe in India.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:18 AM (8Zpuz)

1328 Johnny (John E.): "What about her career path since then leads anyone to believe she's a serious politician and not someone seeking pundit/diva status?"

Offhand, I'd say her Tea Party influence in 2010; the money she draws for the GOP and conservatives; the visits into hostile territory (see WI/collective bargaining elections for example); and, yes, her Facebook drivebys which are pretty nice policy summaries. She's often first, or very early anyway, with the smackdowns of SCoaMF and opens the polished body politick of the Right to piling on when these "leaders" don't show the gonads to lead. IOW, her record is not one of a wallflower.

As far as diva status, I don't see it. She meets and greet tens of thousands of people on and off her bus. Are they the "people who matter"? I dunno, but she does mingle (though she does need a security entourage for good reason). Would antagonists like to perpetuate the "diva" meme? Sure. It's politics, not beanbag. Pundit status? Yes, she's undoubtedly that, for better or for worse. Now I can identify more with her than with pretty much any of the punditocracy (though I like Gutfield and Van Susteren as far as "wonks" go), so I have a commoner bias that blinds me from the infinite wisdom so many of the smart people insist that they have. I'm just not clever enough to see it. Ergo, PALINISTA!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:19 AM (r4t7/)

1329 You're going to nail her for showing up and supporting her daughter in a big live national competition in front of millions because it gave her a total of a minute and thirty seconds of TV face time? Clapping
----
On it's own? No. Taken with the rest of the self-serving diva behavior? Yes. She put herself front and center to be interviewed on national television after her daughter danced. Was Todd not available? I thought Sarah was super-duper busy advancing conservatism.

She's a ego-driven media wannabe. I never thought I'd say that because I was a big supporter, but what about her behavior over the last three years proves my statement wrong?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:20 AM (nRTou)

1330 "It's like saying Hillary didn't announce for the 2008 campaign," that is. My bad.

Though it would be fucking sweet if she announced for the 2012 campaign too.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:20 AM (hIWe1)

1331 Ace, if it's over then why give a rip? Didn't like her speech huh? (*heartache)

She's not telling you if she's going to enter or not yet? Crap.

Oh well, she's dumb and a quitter.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:20 AM (pmzey)

1332 But I was urging her to do this before that, I think. I and a lot of
other people thought she should hit the books and come out in six
months, sounding like a wonk.

Right, okay. I didn't realize you were talking pre-quit.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:20 AM (5I0Yr)

1333 You're going to nail her for showing up and
supporting her daughter in a big live national competition in front of
millions because it gave her a total of a minute and thirty seconds of
TV face time? Clapping?


Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:15 AM (5I0Yr)
I tend to agree Bristol is pretty much at fault here. The only other woman who'd ever do Dancing with the Stars + Cover of People in bridal wear + floating idea for her first marriage as reality show I can think of is Jessica Simpson. But Jessica Simpson doesn't try to get on TV about politics about the same time.Not hard to see how the Palins are kind of a household joke at this point.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:21 AM (8Zpuz)

1334
So, she had to quit because she couldn't afford to hire private lawyers to defend herself against an abusive process of crap lawsuits that was in place because she's a reformer of other"career politicians" (dontcha know, the ones who had been a mayor, on the oil board thingy and gov [oops]), right?

But, she couldn't announce until after her multi-million dollar salmon fishing business was placed in Track's capable hands, but Todd had to be there because it's in his name because he got a license based on his ethnicity?

Which is it?
She was toomiddle-class to have hired lawyers to defend herselfso she had to quit to her job half way though (don't most mama grizzlies quit fighting when someone is trying to steal their integrity away - no, I didn't think so either).

Orshe has to keep fishing so that she could leave the money and legacy to her kids.....

Posted by: Salmon at September 04, 2011 03:21 AM (VxqUc)

1335 Nobody gives a rip about Palin. She's been pronounced an unelectable quitter by brlliant people. Be lucky to get 50 responses in this thread

lmao

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 03:23 AM (QNU76)

1336 Yeah Johnny, If I had powerful backing to sway candidates in the most important election of my lifetime, I would for sure do exactly what a blogger who just called me dumb and a quitter told me to do. Better, I'd do it for a commenter at said blg named Johnny.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:23 AM (pmzey)

1337 I never thought I'd say that because I was a big supporter, but what
about her behavior over the last three years proves my statement wrong?

She endorsed a lot of good candidates, including Ricky. She talks non-stop about conservatism in an accessible way. How many words in her speech today were "I"? Anyone get a count?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:23 AM (5I0Yr)

1338 As far as diva status, I don't see it.

If the month has gone by without a story about Palin's team getting snippy with an organizer or a journalist, it might be a sign of Armageddon.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:24 AM (8Zpuz)

1339 This is a person we're talking about, right?

And not some kind of Seraphim descended from heaven, right?

Correct, ace. Sarah Palin is not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at September 04, 2011 03:25 AM (x81hH)

1340 >>>She's a ego-driven media wannabe. I never thought I'd say that because I
was a big supporter

Nobody ever believes this -- hell, it's hard for me to believe myself -- but I was a big Palin supporter back in 2008. And I mean invested. (We've got the comments here on AoSHQ to prove it.) It was only after the campaign ended and the postmortem began that I concluded that she hadn't really been quite up to the job, but even then I still supported her on the logic that she was young, inexperienced, and that she would improve her game over time.

It never happened.

Then she quit.

Then the madness really began. It's been downhill ever since.

I never thought she would be a good presidential candidate (because she never demonstrated any intelligence), but psychologically, I was really only well and truly done with her when she endorsed Christine O'Donnell and Ken Buck over two perfectly electable candidates who would be GOP Senators today if not for her (and one of them, Jane Norton of CO, would have been a very solid conservative too).

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:26 AM (hIWe1)

1341 1346 Yeah Johnny, If I had powerful backing to sway candidates in the most important election of my lifetime, I would for sure do exactly what a blogger who just called me dumb and a quitter told me to do.  Better, I'd do it for a commenter at said blg named Johnny. 
----
Go ahead and attack me if you want. Check the polls. Either she was planning on 10% support from Republican voters or her entire post-2008 plan was a miserable failure.

It has very little to do with a commenter named Johnny. It has more to do with Johnny's opinion looks awful like the overwhelming majority.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:26 AM (nRTou)

1342
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53

Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51

Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
--------------------------------------------------
January 29, 1980
Reagan 31
Carter 65
"President Carter so dominates the American political scene now that his margin over Ronald Reagan in a post-Iowa trial heat has risen to an overwhelming 65-31 percent. And against George Bush, the GOP candidate who finished first in the recent Iowa caucuses, Carter leads by only a slightly lower 62-32 percent.
These latest ABC News -Harris Survey results,..."

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 03:27 AM (G7Jng)

1343 Maybe she's going to back Ron Paul? lololololol

You think anyone (like Perry, or Johnny) would take her seriously if she hinted to that effect.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:27 AM (pmzey)

1344 dead heat in april 1979, mrobvious:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,723898,00.html

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 03:28 AM (nj1bB)

1345 It might stick in your craw, but she is by definition a quitter.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 03:29 AM (+iwM3)

1346
I thought the Kate Gosselin on her show like a "Kardashian Moment"was a nice touch. Totally presidential.
/sarc

Posted by: Nora at September 04, 2011 03:29 AM (VxqUc)

1347 I'm not attacking you. If she's lost all her support (as you have been claiming), why worry? Maybe because nothing has really begun yet? Only news junkies are fired up right now.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:29 AM (pmzey)

1348 She endorsed a lot of good candidates, including Ricky
----
Oh, she endoresed Rick? Thank God. How else could a popular two-term Governor of a conservative state win reelection.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:29 AM (nRTou)

1349 >>>She endorsed a lot of good candidates, including Ricky. She talks non-stop about conservatism in an accessible way. How many words in her speech today were "I"? Anyone get a count?

She also endorsed Christine O'Donnell. And Ken Buck. And Clint fucking Didier, the asshole Tea Party guy in WA who refused to endorse Dino Rossi after the primary and whose recalcitrance may well have prevented us from winning that seat by keeping a crucial number of Tea Party bitter-enders away from the polls.

Also, remember the lying clown Vaughn Ward in Idaho? Lucky for us Raul Labrador managed to squeak him out in the primary (despite Palin pushing hard for Ward), or else an ultra-red congressional seat would have remained in Dem hands.

Oh yeah, and she did a great job of marshalling her popularity in Alaska to get Joe Miller over the finish line in a 65% Republican state.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:30 AM (hIWe1)

1350 >>>dead heat in april 1979, mrobvious:

NO WAI DUDE REAGAN DIDN'T EVEN ANNOUNCE UNTIL NOVEMBER 1979 YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:32 AM (hIWe1)

1351 Oh, she endoresed Rick? Thank God. How else could a popular two-term Governor of a conservative state win reelection.

Now you're just being snippy.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:32 AM (5I0Yr)

1352 I'm not attacking you.  If she's lost all her support (as you have been claiming), why worry?  Maybe because nothing has really begun yet?  Only news junkies are fired up right now.
---
Because she's turning the GOP primary into a fucking circus with this tease. The media LOVES this stuff, and it's hysterical coming from Mrs. "Lamesteam Media" that they are using her to delegitimize the candidates that have actually declared.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:32 AM (nRTou)

1353 That she is.

Did you know Perry went to a crazy church? It's not gonna feel good when he gets Palinizied either. And that's not just a stab. It will happen. And I won't like that either.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:33 AM (pmzey)

1354 Go ahead and attack me if you want. Check the polls. Either she was
planning on 10% support from Republican voters or her entire post-2008
plan was a miserable failure.


Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:26 AM (nRTou)


I see a lot of potential for her as a kingmaker. Swinging that 10% (if it really is that low) can be pretty valuable in a primary.


Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 04, 2011 03:33 AM (8Zpuz)

1355 lol Do you really see it as a circus? I do not see it that way at all. I don't think many others are seeing it that way either. (I'm being totally serious).

Now, if she jumps in, a circus we will have.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:35 AM (pmzey)

1356 By the way, since everyone's tossing around Carter/Reagan polls, I will point out that we will (hopefully) see a very similar dynamic with Perry and Obama in the upcoming race: Obama will hang around looking competitive (maybe even leading slightly) because people will be somewhat uncomfortable with Perry as the new, supposedly 'extreme' guy. But once he does well in the debates and proves that he's acceptable (just as Obama's only goal in the McCain debates was not to appear unacceptable -- he didn't have to win on points, just not DQ himself), Perry will surge ahead.

Of course the bottom could fall out of the economy and it could be a blowout all along, which would be even better.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:35 AM (hIWe1)

1357
Don't forget Carly Fironia - that was a grrrrrrreat endorsement Boy Howdy!

Screw Chuck DeVore. Carly's a Momma Grizzly.

Posted by: Schticky Sarah at September 04, 2011 03:36 AM (VxqUc)

1358
>>>dead heat in april 1979, mrobvious:

I agree that polls taken so far out are meaningless horseshit.

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 03:39 AM (G7Jng)

1359 Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man: "Getting paid for doing good is usually not considered sacrificial."

And some have argued that The Quitting™ killed her political aspirations. Yes, she sacrificed.

And then she self-preserved.

And then she capitalized.

And now she makes kings.

But, to some, she is too stupid to have planned this sequence of varying public benefit (being Alaska Barbie and all), so the cascade started with just the sacrifice and then everything else just sorta fell into place.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:40 AM (r4t7/)

1360 1365 lol  Do you really see it as a circus?  I do not see it that way at all.  I don't think many others are seeing it that way either.  (I'm being totally serious).
--------
What would you call it? Remember the drama with the Christine O'Donnell (Palin endorsement) opening speech news? The "leaks" that she was going to take shots at Perry and Romney from her "inside sources"?

Come on.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:43 AM (nRTou)

1361 Sarah Palim endorsed some Tea Party types, rendering her unelectable. Worse, though, is that she endorsed some RINO types, rendering her unelectable.

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 03:43 AM (G7Jng)

1362 Some have argued that she did the people of Alaska a huge favor by taking the absurd spectacle that surrounds Sarah Palin out of the governor's mansion, and that she should be rewarded by allowing her to take the absurd spectacle that surrounds Sarah Palin all the way to the White House.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 03:45 AM (+iwM3)

1363 >>>Don't forget Carly Fironia - that was a grrrrrrreat endorsement Boy Howdy!>>>Screw Chuck DeVore. Carly's a Momma Grizzly.
Actually, I don't blame her for that one. Fiorina was almost certainly the best possible candidate we could've run in that race; California is simply beyond reach of the GOP at this point no matter who they run.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:46 AM (hIWe1)

1364
Common Sense Conservative.....

I thought if I said it enough with my first post-quitting governor interview with Rush that it would make me sound polished. Then Rush joked about after the interview and I thought, "I need a new talking point or two to mix it up like a caribou jumbalaya, I tell ya."

I really like the some words go together you know, like "Mama Grizzly" but I needed to read the Wasilla Quarterly and then I thought, "why am I a reading when I could make a reality tv show like them there Kim and Khloe and the gang?'

Now I endorsed Rick Perry but he's just a crony corportists and I have cultists so I win! On target!

Posted by: Schticky Sarah at September 04, 2011 03:48 AM (VxqUc)

1365 @ 1370 You mean a private citizen taking shots like all us here tonight?

She is playing politics. Like all of them. Let me ask you another question. Do you think Rick Perry would offer her a job for her support? How about Romney? Bachman? Cain would for sure wouldn't he?

I bet they all would. They all want her on their team. Why show your cards now? Makes no sense. And again, we still don't know if she is running or not! ha

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 03:48 AM (pmzey)

1366 Palins - Like the Clintoons But Without All That Governorship Experience

Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 04, 2011 03:50 AM (VxqUc)

1367 I love Sarah Palin as a fund-raiser, a campaign energizer, and someone who will be a lightning rod for the inevitable demagoguing and lying that will come from our opponents.

Please don't run, Sarah.

Posted by: kcs at September 04, 2011 03:52 AM (9/ZmW)

1368 Johnny (John E.): "Oh, she endoresed Rick? Thank God. How else could a popular two-term Governor of a conservative state win reelection."
Had she endorsed Hutchison, the 2010 election would've been very different. Everyone has contempt for the familiar and especially so for politicians. Perry was not as popular as you think until Palin came in early and backed him. He was strong but not dominant. Palin's early backing pretty much sucked any energy from what would have been a formidable Hutchison campaign, and it helped drive the Tea Party to him rather than her. BTW, I'm glad Perry won, but his win wasn't guaranteed.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:53 AM (r4t7/)

1369 Palinistas - Like Annoying Paulbots But Without All the Backward Spelling of LOVE

Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 04, 2011 03:54 AM (VxqUc)

1370
"Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:53 AM "
Wow, Gary42356 has a new handle, who knew?
It's called medication. If you can't afford it Astra Zeneca can help you afford them.

You need Undelusionix - lots of it, and often.

Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 04, 2011 03:56 AM (VxqUc)

1371 She is playing politics.  Like all of them.  Let me ask you another question.  Do you think Rick Perry would offer her a job for her support?  How about Romney?  Bachman?  Cain would for sure wouldn't he? 
----
Would they like the endorsement? Sure. She's got a rabid 10% support. Not unlike Ron Paul. Would you give her any executive job in a new administration in return? I see no reason why anyone would. I'm sure candidates would like Lady Gaga's endorsement, but no one's giving her the Secretary of Defense post.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:57 AM (nRTou)

1372 mrobvious@1371,

Heh. Exactly.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:58 AM (r4t7/)

1373
"Everyone has contempt for the familiar and especially so for politicians." -AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:53 AM

Ain't that the truth....

Posted by: Governor Quitter Turned Alaskan Reality TV Star at September 04, 2011 03:59 AM (VxqUc)

1374 Had she endorsed Hutchison, the 2010 election would've been very different. Everyone has contempt for the familiar and especially so for politicians. Perry was not as popular as you think until Palin came in early and backed him
----
Oh, please. KBH was going to get Tea Party support? After voting for TARP?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 04:00 AM (nRTou)

1375
Well the Palinistas did exactly what I needed for the ole insomnia - bored me to sleep.
Thanks dudes. Wow, you do serve a purpose.

Posted by: Nora at September 04, 2011 04:01 AM (VxqUc)

1376
"Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:46 AM "
true, but goes agains the Nista meme that she is sooooooo ideologically pure and perfect in every way that she only, only, only ever, ever, ever would back a pure conservative....

Posted by: Nora at September 04, 2011 04:03 AM (VxqUc)

1377 There is that number again. So only 10 percent of conservatives will listen to who she endorses? I don't buy that. Shit, you should pray she runs in the primary. She will be laughed off the stage for sure. She'll surely scatter back to Alaska and never be heard from again.






Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 04:04 AM (pmzey)

1378 Rick Perry said Texas can leave the union if it wants to!



OMG! He's worse than that hick Palin's husband! Of course all the
Palin bashers will spin when the time comes for this or the Bernake
remark, or the church, or whatever else is coming down the pike.

Seriously though, for all you Palin haters out there, get ready to defend many of the same things Palin was berated for. There are a lot of similarities.

Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 04:07 AM (pmzey)

1379 I honestly don't care anymore. Keep bailing water out of that sinking ship.

I'm going to bed, or for you Palinistas - I'm quitting consciousness.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 04:08 AM (nRTou)

1380 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:17 AM (hIWe1)

Sowhat? Who says that's how Sarah Palin has to do things now?

This is what exposes the Palin critics who also claim to be conservatives. What’s so conservative about Ace demanding that she keep to his whatever schedule for announcing her candidacy, if or when she does? Where is it written that Palin or any other candidate for that matter, from either side, must announce her candidacy before some arbitrary deadline?

Sarah Palindefined exactly whatAmerica needs to replace the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: YFS at September 04, 2011 04:17 AM (Qo7sI)

1381 Johnny (John E.): "Oh, please. KBH was going to get Tea Party support? After voting for TARP?"
If Palin had given her blessing? Yep. Not all of it because Medina was gaining support until quite late in the primaries, but some Tea Partyers would have reconsidered. Others would have swing to Medina. But the margin would have been much closer.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 04:39 AM (r4t7/)

1382 Johnny (John E.): "I honestly don't care anymore..."
Right.

You so don't care that you'll be right back at it if/when Palin farts in Perry's general direction as the primaries heat up. C'mon. You care a little. You'll continue caring. It's not a crime.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 04:45 AM (r4t7/)

1383 (yawn) Are we there yet?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at September 04, 2011 06:10 AM (ED4oz)

1384 Not voting for Perry, not voting for Bachmann, not voting for Paul and Mitts can KMA......guess I'll just stay home.......

Posted by: totalstranger at September 04, 2011 08:24 AM (y3QiK)

1385 So says the Ace of Fizzle Spades.

Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 09:07 AM (izkDx)

1386
NRO POLL

Who is the better conservative standard-bearer?







Palin


78 %





Perry


22 %




42,178 voteshttp://www.nationalreview.com/



Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 09:08 AM (izkDx)

1387 1345
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 03:23 AM (QNU76)


Yea, but just wait for that Rick Perry or Mittens thread, I bet they'll get a whopping 75 comments for those guys....
Illegal aliens good for 49 of em.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 04, 2011 09:09 AM (tHnoW)

1388 Panties in a wad Ace?

Posted by: ChuckTX at September 04, 2011 09:12 AM (Ugob2)

1389 Besides, Ace, she shouted out to you about polls and strippers ;-)

Posted by: ChuckTX at September 04, 2011 09:13 AM (Ugob2)

1390
In the meantime, she collecting money in her Sarah PAC and for speaking engagements. The longer she plays fickle, the more money she gathers to herself.
I don't beleive she is serious about running. I think she's s about the concept of influence - that political money is power. I feel sorry for her adorers.

Posted by: Lilly at September 04, 2011 09:14 AM (udb+E)

1391 Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 09:08 AM (izkDx)

Heretic, don't be coming on here citing facts and polls supporting Sarah this is a Goddamn feel the Rickroller love thread.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 04, 2011 09:16 AM (tHnoW)

1392 Thanks for sharing, please keep an update about this info. love to read it more. i like this site too much.

Posted by: The Disappearing Spoon Audiobook at September 04, 2011 09:21 AM (lr9w5)

1393 Ace, dude, shes just a spoiler.
Wanna know WHY she gave that speech?
She ax Perry for the VP slot and he said no.
That is why it wasnt a direct frag of him.
But she is gunna frag him if he doesnt take her onboard.
Its a dilemma-- Perry believes in the polls that say she cant win, and that she'd be a drag on the ticket-- she doesnt believe in polls.
She is running for the VP slot. She just made a velied threat to take Perry down if he doesnt take her on board.
Move/counter-move.
Can't wait to see what happens next.

Posted by: wheelers cat at September 04, 2011 09:56 AM (GvqWB)

1394
(VxqUc)
1344: Salmon
1356: Nora
1367, 1374: Schticky Sarah
1376,1379,1380: 2012 Slogan
(@1379: "Palinistas - Like Annoying Paulbots But Without All the Backward Spelling of LOVE")
1383: Governor Quitter Turned Alaskan Reality TV Star
1385,1386: Nora
(@1385: "Well the Palinistas did exactly what I needed for the ole insomnia - bored me to sleep.")


Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 10:15 AM (G7Jng)

1395 I haven't read the comments yet, but how long did it take someone to accuse ace of misogyny?

Posted by: Y-not at September 04, 2011 10:54 AM (HH31x)

1396 Wow. only 1408 comments? Musta been a slow weekend.

Posted by: blogforce one at September 04, 2011 11:45 AM (lICB9)

1397 confirming @Viator

NRO POLL
Who is the better conservative standard-bearer?Palin 78 %
Perry 22 %
42,886 votes

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 12:24 PM (QNU76)

1398 1409
confirming @Viator





NRO POLL


Who is the better conservative standard-bearer?Palin 78 %


Perry 22 %


42,886 votes

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 12:24 PM (QNU76)
A non-scientific internet poll? Are we supposed to care about that?

Posted by: robviously at September 04, 2011 01:07 PM (XYpRn)

1399 Oh, and I think her political judgments are awful.



Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not
be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books
and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.



Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."



I said she would continue to lose support if she did that. Her
supporters insisted I was wrong, that her down-home charm would be
enough to win support.



Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell
you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!,"
and here we are.

I told you all so too. As did many others. It was obvious, to those with a sufficient IQ. Even to those with an average IQ.

Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 01:12 PM (YiE0S)

1400 Some fizzle...
http://tiny.cc/5bgus
Oh, and show me a picture of any other candidate that even comes close to this one.

Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 01:16 PM (izkDx)

1401 And quitting the governorship to take a job on fox news as an occasional pundit?!?!



I'm sorry, why are we still talking about her for president?



The Presidency is a hard job. Even Barack obama's hair turned gray and he's a lazybones.



But she found that the governorship wasn't up her alley, and now it's time for the presidency?!?



WHAT?!?



I honestly cannot believe the massive mind-fuck people are doing on
themselves to spin away QUITTING A GOVERNORSHIP AFTER JUST TWO YEARS.



All in a brilliant plan, it is alleged, to seek ANOTHER executive job!



What, am I taking crazy pills? Did someone just hit me with the wacky-stick??!



Disqualifying.



No spinning.



Done.

Exactly.

Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 01:25 PM (YiE0S)

1402
Shorter Ace:
"I'm having a hissy fit because Sarah didn't endorse Rick and tell the crowd that he's not only more conservative than Bill Buckley and possessed of a cleaner background than Jesus, but he's tall, dark and handsome,looks spiffy inAggie yell leader and Corps gear, not to mention Air Force uniform,and can drive tenpenny nails, no hands, no hammers, IYKWIMIATYD."

Posted by: Rich Fader at September 04, 2011 01:41 PM (AwnzL)

1403 Imagine the outrage we would be seeing here if instead of turning over the Alaska governorship to a Republican ally Palin had endorsed Al Gore!

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 01:42 PM (QNU76)

1404 Sarah Palin is personally unpopular. She has been for a while. Whether justified or not, it is what it is. This is despite her endlessly promoting herself since quitting mid-way though her first term as Governor. I’ve never heard a Palin supporter explain to me the sort of magic she intends to use to change that. Please spare me the “well they thought Reagan couldn’t win” crap logic. Reagan was personally popular. The majority of Americans LIKED him. He was a two-term Governor of the largest state in the union. He had been active in politics for many years and had given highly detailed and substanative speeches.
The fact that Sarah Palin has been mistreated by the liberal media really does seem to be the emotional impetus for the support she gets as a possible candidate. Please forgive me if I don't wish to go on that political kamikaze missionwith you.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 04, 2011 01:53 PM (0DGtF)

1405 And if the oppo researchers going after Palin can come up with something at this point that hasn't been done to death in the last three years, I'll be duly impressed. God bless 'em. So far, it seems to be the same stuff that was old by election day 2008, if not well before then. Yeah, that would go down on the books as a FAIL.

Posted by: Rich Fader at September 04, 2011 01:55 PM (AwnzL)

1406 I can't believe that after seeing the effects of electing a
little-experienced charismatic Celebrity who says the right things, 10%
of the party is dead-set on DOING IT ALL AGAIN.

IQ.

Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 01:56 PM (YiE0S)

1407 If Palin is unpopular and runs, someone else will be the nominee, and the overwhelming majority of us backing Palin will get behind that nominee and defeat Obama.

What I don't understand is the major hissy being thrown by some of the Anti-Palins over the concept that she might actually... ya know... run. And on her own terms and conditions, not conforming to certain leading lights. Why... (insert apoplexy here) HOW DARE SHE!

You don't want her to be the nom, don't vote for her in the primary. It is not necessary to rip into her supporters, and seek to denigrate her with more vigor and energy than gets directed at BHO. Where's all the outrage coming from? Palin not being your choice does not make her the enemy.

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 02:04 PM (QNU76)

1408 "And yet there is no evidence for this. It's faith-based."

Wait, I think I said that above also.

But then I made the


IQ α 1/Religiosity


conection above.


Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 02:06 PM (YiE0S)

1409 "Apparently, all that's needed for the average person to get behind Palin
is to forget everything he knows about human nature and just accept
that Palin is a near-angelic being who makes decisions to quit a
governorship and get paid big money by the media only to spare her
family some economic distress and also to spare alaska distrction and
costs."

There are plenty of conservatives who donate money to televangelists (and/or tithe money to often wealthy churches) on a regular basis.

Just saying.


Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 02:17 PM (YiE0S)

1410 Palin's main roto-rootering was that she sounded dumb.



Sorry, but she often did.

Hmmmm. Now what fraction of the GOP electorate supports Palin the strongest?

There is a limit to spin. Whoever it is who has these absurd ideas
that we can just spin anything, because we are sooo smart and the public
is so dumb they'll believe anything, really should check their own IQ.


Hmmmm.

Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 02:36 PM (YiE0S)

1411 Oh dear Lord.

23 hours. 23 hours?

Really?!

23 hours you folks have been beating a dead horse.

Posted by: As If! at September 04, 2011 02:40 PM (piMMO)

1412 I have to question the assertion that her speech was vague. Did you not pay attention?

How much more specific did you want than elimination of the corporate income tax? It goes away... bye bye... no more. Nix Nine gone! We have the highest CIT in the world, or one of the highest. Our capital flees out of our nation for that very reason! When capital leaves, so do jobs and opportunities.

No more subsidies and bail outs? How much more detailed can you be? To go to a field in Iowa, the heart of the subsidy world, and stump on no subsidies takes guts, and she did it. She was able to do it BECAUSE she would eliminate the CIT, which distorts production decisions! The CIT has been "big gov's" way of pursuing social policy through the private sector. America's corporations should not be the play thing of social engineers! It is for the business owners to decide this, so that they can pursue least cost combinations and produce efficiently and effectively in the market place.

What part of REPEAL OBAMA CARE did you not hear? At the present time, capital costs may be zero, but labor costs are HUGE and uncertain. No one will hire because of Obama Care, for there is certaintude that the cost of ensuring a worker will far exceed their productive value (Marginal Product) in the firm. What part of that was vague? Repeal? It means.... it goes AWAY. Gone. Done. Out of here.

Really, you must have some kind of comprehension problem if you thought that was VAGUE.

And you didn't want her to sound like a hick? Really? Had she stood up there and talked with a British Accent and used 20 dollar words when a 10 dollar word suited, ... had she done that you would have accused her of being a phony, or disingenuous. Sarah Palin is WYSIWYG, and that is perhaps the most desirable thing in a POTUS right now.

We've had a Harvard grad running the show... how is that hopey changey thing working for you?

Posted by: Barbara Haney at September 04, 2011 03:57 PM (mMFkN)

1413 Did this thread fizzle out?

Posted by: cherry pi at September 04, 2011 04:08 PM (OhYCU)

1414 OMG

Posted by: toby928© at September 04, 2011 05:40 PM (GTbGH)

1415 Wutt @Barbara Haney said

Oh, and here's some exclamation points to add:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 06:32 PM (QNU76)

1416
"23 hours you folks have been beating a dead horse."
More like shooting it from a helicopter.
(Just doing my part, cherry pi)

Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 06:39 PM (G7Jng)

1417 I am sad that the something Air site has more comments. I would have sworn that we could beat them out, we have more commenters and are more open.
I am not sad or angry that Ace supports Perry, it is fine with me. We get to argue and post and do the hobo shuffle still, so come on back all you commenters. We can still beat that 1560 something comment thread at that other place if we try, but no crony postings, ok?

Posted by: Tom_Ohio at September 04, 2011 07:09 PM (7U2lm)

1418 I like Palin, but her die hard cultists and their reaction to anything resembling "adult conversation" have really soured me on her. She just seems to be trying to stay relevant without any actual plan.

Posted by: ugh at September 04, 2011 09:39 PM (8Fhk/)

1419 F*ck Sarah Palin and the rest of you f*cking idiots who like her.

Posted by: The Last Word Must Be Anti-Palin In Case You Don't Get It at September 05, 2011 12:38 AM (5I0Yr)

1420 ah yes, 1431 brings something resembling "adult conversation" from a die hard Anti-Palin cultist

rofl

Posted by: DaMav at September 05, 2011 01:32 AM (QNU76)

1421 I have to stop lurking to finally ask at the end of what should mercifully be a long-dead thread: has anyone here, including Ace, watched The Undefeated? Many of your complaints about her are addressed in that film and you are coming across as uninformed. It seems that any blogger writing multiple pages to lure thousands of comments would at least want to do a tiny smidge of due diligence on the target of their derision.

Big Hollywood's review of The Undefeated: http://tinyurl.com/643r3q4

Governor Perry is my governor, and he does not enjoy wide-spread grassroots Conservative support in Texas, mainly because we've been in the trenches for a few years fighting his worst ideas. I sincerely hope that Palin does not announce her candidacy for a few more weeks because Perry desperately needs the vetting. If you still want him after you find out all we Conservatives in Texas already know, then fine, you can have him. Same ole, same ole...

Then, when Palin jumps into the race, all the other candidates can breathe easy knowing they are safe while the media once again savages her. You guys don't have to try and beat the MSM to the punch! Don't any of you feel like useful tools doing some of the Left's dirty work for them? I mean, look at whose cause you are taking up on cue! I know, I know, you feel justified because you're just so gosh-darned "concerned." But you have been deceived. And I wonder if you're even capable of shame after you watch The Undefeated.

Since some of you may not have the intellectual honesty to risk finding out that you may be wrong about Palin, try this: watch to see if any of your wanna-be leaders -eunuchs all- will say one word in Palin's defense when the attacks become so outrageous that decent Americans are sick to their stomachs. I surmise the eunuchs will cringe and cower behind her skirts hoping to escape notice until they can one day step over her remains to grasp their political prize.

Watch The Undefeated and it will change your perspective on far more than just Palin herself. Do the minimal amount of due diligence, Ace. At least talk to Andrew Breitbart about his prominent role in the documentary.

This battle requires better from you because it's about far more than politics-as-usual, it's about becoming worthy of our legacy.

Posted by: Heidi Thiess at September 05, 2011 01:48 AM (o1478)

1422 Are you talking about the 1969 movie "The Undefeated" with John Wayne and Rock Hudson? We all saw it, but what does it have to do with Sara Palin?

Posted by: William Barrett Travis at September 05, 2011 03:15 AM (g86v0)

1423 Rick Perry, bitches

Posted by: William Barrett Travis at September 05, 2011 03:16 AM (g86v0)

1424 You're not exactly a fan of the Gov. I'd put you in the same category as Karl Rove. Always at the ready to take shots at Sarah Palin.
1. She never promised that she would announce her candidacy at this event. "See you on September 3rd!," is not "I'm makin' an announcement!". You projected that onto her. It was even leaked the night before that she would not being announcing at this event, so why are you so surprised that she didn't announce at this event? It had been said all along that you should not be expecting an announcement on this date. But you obviously listened to the "expert" Karl Rove, and not Sarah Palin's camp.
2. Your "full-throated" defense of the Tea Party was childish.
3. Sarah Palin laid out the principles of her plan to get this country back on the right track. It's a rally, not a Harvard business class. Maybe you would be more comfortable in Barack Obama's camp.
You sound like a little boy who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas. Sarah Palin will do things her way. She's not going to be pressured into doing something, because people such as yourself are impatient. She runs on her own time. And, I, for one, am willing to wait until she is ready to announce. Maybe you should follow Jon Huntsman's campaign, instead. It's much more predictable. You don't have the stomach for a Sarah Palin campaign. Adults only.

Posted by: bellagrazi at September 05, 2011 09:06 AM (2A3ET)

1425 Is this what passes for political discourse these days? What a sad commentary on the readers here. Of course, Ace did not cover himself with glory in his post, so I suppose if you set the bar low, people will just naturally try to crawl under it.

But I am impressed by the intellectual similarity of the Palin bashers to the 5-year old in the back seat asking, "Are we there yet?" every 5 minutes.

And what's up with the: "She's not being specific ... well, she is, but she's not saying anything new... well, I didn't like it anyway 'cuz she could have given a great speech if only she said what I wanted but she didn't..."?

I'm mean really -- that makes sense to you? You are dissing Palin for saying what other people are saying simply because it happens to be true - that is your idea of a reasonable criticism? If you want a candidate - or in this case a non-candidate - to give the speech you want to here, run for office yourself. That should be fun.

Not liking Palin is perfectly fine, but if you're going to write about it try to come up with supportable reasons, or just admit you are being irrational. There's no shame in irrational dislikes, as long as you don't overdo it. But advancing dumb reasons to make your irrational dislike look rational makes you look both irrational and well, dumb. And sooner or later that usually opens you up to looking hypocritical as well, at which time you achieve the damning trifecta. It really is better if you leave that distinction to the Liberals.

I am further a bit surprised - though I suppose I should get over that - that no one in the anti-Palin camp here can present a single valid reason why Palin should not run.

If she really is as bad, as dumb, as weak, as frivolous, and as unpopular as is being claimed, her campaign will fizzle in short order. If she is really is the way these people portray her, then logically, they should be begging her to run so the resulting humiliation will get her off the political stage once and for all.

So if you trash Palin with the intent of preventing her from running, one, two, or all of the following must be true: you are frightened of her and won't admit it, you can't think straight, or you think Republicans as a group are really stupid and not to be trusted. The first two reflect badly on you and the latter badly on the company you keep (which tends to reflect badly on you too).

In closing, allow me to apologize if I've made a mistake by taking anything anyone says here at least somewhat seriously.

Posted by: Owen at September 06, 2011 12:09 AM (Z1bq5)

1426 last!

Posted by: mrobvious at September 06, 2011 12:58 PM (G7Jng)

1427 She never promised that she would announce her candidacy at this event. "See you on September 3rd!," is not "I'm makin' an announcement!".
Of course not. Some time agoPalin promised a radio guy in Alaska that if/when she decides to run she will announce it on his program. So when you hear that she is about to give a radiointerview in Alaska you will know she is running.

Posted by: Decaf at September 07, 2011 07:56 AM (XUoX3)

1428 "Why so serious?"

Posted by: FeFe at September 08, 2011 07:02 PM (TjlA2)






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