Rick Perry: I'm Here To Chew Bubblegum And Kick Ass And I'm All Out Of Bubblegum

Hey kids! Who's up for a first principles election? Cause if we run Rick Perry against Barack Obama, that's what we're going to get.

Normally, the RINO in me would shy away from this because a lot of what he says is going to scare the hell out of people and make it easier for the Democrats to demonize the GOP (which they'd do anyway).

BUT-If we're ever going to run a plain speaking, all-in conservative (though Perry has his deviations), this is the year. No red state is in danger of flipping and there are plenty of blue states that are lost to Obama, so if not now, when?

A taste of a very long interview.

In Fed Up!, you criticize the progressive era and the changes it produced: the 16th and 17th Amendments, Social Security, Medicare, and so on. I understand being against these things in principleof longing for a world in which they never existed. But now that theyre part of the fabric of our society, do you think we should actually do away with them?

I think every program needs to stand the sunshine of righteous scrutiny. Whether its Social Security, whether its Medicaid, whether its Medicare. Youve got $115 trillion worth of unfunded liability in those three. Theyre bankrupt. Theyre a Ponzi scheme. I challenge anybody to stand up and defend the Social Security program that we have todayand particularly defend it to a 27-year-old young man whos just gotten married and is trying to get his life headed in the right direction economically. I happen to think that the Progressive movement was the beginning of the deterioration of our Constitution from the standpoint of it being abused and misused to do things that Congress wanted to do, and/or the Supreme Court wanted to implement. The New Deal was the launching pad for the Washington largesse as we know it today. And I think we should have a legitimate, honest, national discussion about Washingtons continuing to spend money we dont have on programs that we dont need.

...

What about Medicare? Thats an even bigger contributor to these debt problems.

Heres the problem, in the 25 years that Ive worked in Texas state government both as a legislator, an appropriator, then as lieutenant governor and the governor of Texas: Washington attaches strings to all these programs. They take away the incentive for innovation because they say here is a portion of your money back and here are the only ways that you can spend it. That on its face is bad public policy. And again, I think its an abuse of our Constitution. Theres no place in the Constitution that says Washington, D.C. is supposed to be mandated health-care coverage, for example. That gets to the very core of the book. If America really wants to be strong again, we need to get back to the principles this country was based upon. The Constitution as it was written, and the 10th Amendment that clearly says the states are where these decisions should be made. Moving back in that direction will create substantially more competition. States should be laboratories of innovation. I promise you, I know you did a profile on Bobby Jindal, who I happen to think is one of the brightest governors in our country. Bobby knows health care very well. If he were given the freedom from the federal government to come up with his own innovative ways working with his legislature to deliver his own health-care innovations to his citizens, I guarantee he could do it more efficiently and more effectively than one-size-fits-all coming out of Washington, D.C.

But again, Medicare. Its been in place for more than four decades now. What do you suggest we do to set it on a more fiscally sustainable path going forward?

I think we need to have a national discussion and not be afraid to talk about it. That is my goal. I didnt write the book and say anywhere in it, I got all the solutions. What I did say is, We have to be courageous as a country and stand up and admit that we have a Social Security program that is bankrupt, that is a Ponzi scheme, that Medicare and Medicaid collective had $106 trillion worth of liability that is unfunded, and that we need to deal with it and quit passing it on to the next Congress and the next generation.

And here's something conservatives may not like so much.

But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

Sure.

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:03 PM



Comments

1 Perry to Obama: Adios Mofo.

Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 01:05 PM (N2yhW)

2 Normally, the RINO in me

*Looks longingly at that lovely target hanging over the plate. Let's it go as DrewM. earned that strike*

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:07 PM (sOXQX)

3
[prime real estate]

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:07 PM (sqkOB)

4 Honestly Drew, don't sell Perry short for being able to smooth talk. It is one of his best skills.

Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 01:08 PM (N2yhW)

5 Whether its Social Security, whether its Medicaid, whether its Medicare. Youve got $115 trillion worth of unfunded liability in those three. Theyre bankrupt.
AFAIK that is the first time an official candidate said these things, which is impressive.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 12, 2011 01:09 PM (UhTsC)

6
Rick Perry is our rock star.

Can he sustain it?
Or will this weekend be the climax of his campaign?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:09 PM (sqkOB)

7 Amnesty won't be done with the stroke of a pen...unless Obama tries that.
I trust the House to check the Executive on that issue. For now.

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (Vwq6Q)

8 Normally, the RINO in me would shy away from this because a lot of what he says is going to scare the hell out of people and make it easier for the Democrats to demonize the GOP (which they'd do anyway).

Emphasis mine.
This is why it's pointless to throw in with RINOs. I'm sick of catering to independents. They're not independents because they've carefully considered conseravtism and rejected it, but rather because they've never considered conservatism.
A conservative candidate who can successfully articulate his ideas will win 350-400 EVs.

Posted by: President Downgrade at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (K2wpv)

9
Waitaminute???

Perry/Jindal 2012?

that's what I'm sensing

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (sqkOB)

10 Alternate sub-headline: We Gonna Have Us a Hootenanny!

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 12, 2011 01:11 PM (38r0f)

11
Tea Partyist terrifies both Dick Durbin and the steno pool
Paraphrasing:
You can't ask questions at a press conference, now leave! Next question please....

http://youtu.be/7rr2cVIw6Bc

Posted by: Jimmah at August 12, 2011 01:11 PM (TfRqk)

12 Well as President he can imagine all he wants that illegals should be legalized once the borders ares secure, it just ain't going to fucking happen. Obama couldn't or wouldn't do it with his supermajority. Bush couldn't do it either. As long as the first response is close the borders verifiably, then I'm happy. Not this balanced approach bullshit which is slang for "I'm lying when I say I want to close the borders against future illegal immigration".

Posted by: Mr Pink at August 12, 2011 01:11 PM (hHya0)

13
Wouldn't that be an interesting ticket. Hmmmmm.

Perry/Pawlenty vs Perry/Jindal?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:12 PM (sqkOB)

14 Perry/Jindal 2012?that's what I'm sensing
Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (sqkOB)
Perry/Jindal or Perry/Rubio would be nice. 16 years of bliss.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 12, 2011 01:12 PM (UhTsC)

15 Perry's willing to bear hug the third rail. That counts for a lot.

BTW, that link is to the Daily Bitch. Most of the good stuff is in the summary anyway.

Posted by: fiatboomer at August 12, 2011 01:12 PM (0Wf6c)

16 Bush with more salsa. Bush 2.0

Posted by: Barbarian at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (EL+OC)

17 From the Daily News:

Rick Perry: the Paint Creek boy who would be king

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (9hSKh)

18 And here's something conservatives may not like so much.

Conservatives can like that as long as the Federal Government follows the premise of he question: Border enforcement first (that includes a real fence), path to citizenship second.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (kqqGm)

19 Perry can keep it up ... look at his last 2 campaigns ...

Posted by: Jeff at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (A3tpD)

20 I'm all for talking about anything once the border is secured. We can even win those debates that conservative politicians shy away from. There need not be any "compromise" once we start winning the debates. We just need to start having them.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (ndlFj)

21 IMO, every conservative has had their deviations, and the reasons for that are simple. Sometimes when you know that it is better to teach a hungry person to fish, 1) that person is hungry now, and 2) you don't really feel like teaching now. Sometimes it's just easier to be a lib and give them a damned fish.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 12, 2011 01:13 PM (jx2j9)

22 I'm pragmatic enough to vote for someone who will beat Obama's ass who wants citizenship for illegals, and then once they are in office bug the shit and elect politicians who won't ever do that.

Posted by: Mr Pink at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (hHya0)

23 sunshine of righteous scrutiny
I may have to change my nic to that.
Perry/Jindal 2012?
Jindal is currently running for re-election here.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (XdlcF)

24 Oh, Drew.

There will be hand-wringing aplenty from you once Perry is the nominee.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (lbo6/)

25 So where do I get my Perry 4 Pres. bumper sticker?

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (cVIY5)

26 Rick Perry gives me a woody.

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (WEWGu)

27
I wouldn't mind seeing Rubio on the ticket because he has nothing to lose.

Rick Perry also has nothing to lose by running, either. But that gives me cause for pause. The way he's entering this race makes me think he's doing it on a lark.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (sqkOB)

28 Rick Perry: the Paint Creek boy who would be king

That's a really good article.

Posted by: Slublog at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (qetFl)

29 I can't tell if these are written responses or extemporaneous comments. If the latter, then I am mightily impressed. The man can put together whole sentences, nay, even paragraphs, with a theme and nary an ummmm or you know in them. Even if his responses are written, he has a very concise, effective writing style.

He is going to mop the floor with Obama, and then wax and polish it.

Posted by: pep at August 12, 2011 01:15 PM (GMG6W)

30 The answer "sure" has a lot of wiggle room in it. My guess is he wants this wiggle room.
Mexico:
I can see squeezing the Mexican government to open up and liberalize their economy to allow for American investment. The squeeze is simple, enforce immigration and cut Mexico off of 20% of the income from remittances. Opening Mexico to American investment allows us to profit from Mexico's economic ascent. Finally,this policy recognizes that most Mexicans want to be Mexicans in Mexico - they would just like to have jobsin Mexico. There is a win-win here -Bush had a startbut was disappointed by theMex Prez - then that 9-11ie thing happened. The best way to handle illegal immigration is with a proactive foreign policy of American investment in Mexico. We both can win. If done properly, the Pubbies take the Mexican vote and add it to their Cuban vote. Just sayin.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 12, 2011 01:15 PM (0M3AQ)

31 time to pull out my "don't mess with Texas" tshirt

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 12, 2011 01:16 PM (IpiZb)

32 As long as the first response is close the borders verifiably, then I'm happy

This. It's going to be a long time before anyone is convinced that the border is secure.

Also you have to figure there's going to be some remigration to the booming job market in Mexico.

O/T Looks like Obamacare got another nail in the coffin, according to FBN, the appeals court found in favor of the states (I think this is the Florida case that would toss the whole thing out).

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:16 PM (sOXQX)

33 The RINO in me.

Tell him to back away slowly and hand you the lube.

Posted by: cherry π at August 12, 2011 01:16 PM (OhYCU)

34 So where do I get my Perry 4 Pres. bumper sticker?

http://www.gopmall.com/ candidates/ president/ rick-perry/

Was mentioned in a previous thread.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:16 PM (bjRNS)

35 Bobby knows health care very well. If he were given the freedom from the federal government
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Frooma Zooma Zoom, fainting in horror at August 12, 2011 01:16 PM (XdlcF)

36 Perry/Christie 2012 bitches! Wow, can you imagin how lively the pressers would be with that dynamic duo...

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:17 PM (WEWGu)

37 brb, have to go cry.

Posted by: barry potus at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (FcR7P)

38 http://www.gopmall.com/ candidates/ president/ rick-perry/

None of those feature dead coyotes, though.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (r0xbL)

39 So, what kind of VP you think we'll need to balance the ticket?
Perry/Giuliani?
Perry/Daniels?
Thoughts?

Posted by: Amichel at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (kl3xJ)

40
WHEEEEE!!!!!!!
This is gonna be so much fun to watch Obama get bitch-slapped -
BRB - gotta get my lawn chair, a tall glass of lemonade, and some popcorn....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (MXC7a)

41 The way he's entering this race makes me think he's doing it on a lark.
Isn't he recovering from back surgery? (Which is supposed to scare us away from him for some reason???)

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (XdlcF)

42 The "path to citizenship" thing is so vague that it has become standard for all of them, even some of the purest of the pure candidates. It doesn't particularly bother me.

At the end of the day we need Congress and individual governors (and mayors) to develop spines to stand up to the lazy businesses who rely on illegals and to not be afraid to be called racists. Putting virtually any Republican in the White House would be an upgrade from what we have now.

Posted by: Y-not at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (5H6zj)

43 You'll get Mitt Romney and like it.

Posted by: RNC at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (nIoiW)

44 Perry/Christie 2012 bitches! Wow, can you imagin how lively the pressers would be with that dynamic duo...

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:17 PM (WEWGu)
OMG, my heart! Someone call 9-1-1.

Posted by: MFM at August 12, 2011 01:19 PM (Zs83Q)

45
Charlie Daniels?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:19 PM (sqkOB)

46 Drew, you're taking the one-word answer a bit out of context.

"We have a pathway to citizenship in this country today: its get in the line and do what it takes to get here legally."

That's two paragraphs up. He's saying Enforce the laws already in place.

I'm sold.

Posted by: cadrys at August 12, 2011 01:19 PM (N9Lwt)

47 I am no amnesty squish, but gosh darn if Perry stays true on the rest of the issues, and gets full on border enforcement in place before any new paths to citizenship, I can live with that. Smart politics on his part, and he is a politician. I truly think he is the best we are going to get as far as conservative/electable nationwide.
Yeehaw folks! Nobody messes with Rick Perry, and he's Rick Perry. He loves putting his foot to ass for Texas and America!

Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Teahadi at August 12, 2011 01:20 PM (Yv6gq)

48 You'll get Mitt Romney and like it.

Posted by: RNC at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (nIoiW)
GTFO

When we need you, we'll call. srsly.


Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:20 PM (sOXQX)

49 39
So, what kind of VP you think we'll need to balance the ticket?
I'd go for Perry/ Daniels if mama Danielswould let him do it?

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:20 PM (WEWGu)

50 "The Constitution as it was written, and the 10th Amendment that clearly says the states are where these decisions should be made. Moving back in that direction will create substantially more competition. States should be laboratories of innovation."
This statement alone makes me want to vote for Perry. I believe it is much easier to hold your local governer accountable for mistakes than it is anyone in congress. Plus our states are so very different, why should all americans have to follow New York and Califonia's lead? The federal governements one size fits all approach hasn't worked and will never work......

Posted by: kevin at August 12, 2011 01:20 PM (MWz/S)

51 So where do I get my Perry 4 Pres. bumper sticker?

You get those from Pawlenty Designs. Go elsewhere for your "President Rick Perry, Bitchez!" stickers.

Posted by: t-bird at August 12, 2011 01:21 PM (FcR7P)

52 You'll get Mitt Romney and like it.

Posted by: RNC at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (nIoiW)
My friends, we have nothing to fear of an Obama 2nd term.

Posted by: Sen. McLame at August 12, 2011 01:21 PM (Zs83Q)

53 "Normally, the RINO in me would shy away from this because a lot of what
he says is going to scare the hell out of people and make it easier for
the Democrats to demonize the GOP (which they'd do anyway)."

I doubt the average non-partisan voter is going to be more scared of Perry over what we have now. Especially when there is already talk of Obama being primaried.

Posted by: ryukyu at August 12, 2011 01:21 PM (MOHSR)

54 I actually think Guiliani or Romney would bring some great balance to the ticket in the VP slot. I would love to see Cain, Paul and Santorum in the cabinet though.

Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Teahadi at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (Yv6gq)

55 Charlie Daniels?
Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:19 PM (sqkOB)

Jack

Posted by: t-bird at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (FcR7P)

56 Force Mexico to grow up. They become the next economic miracle and employ their own people. Tell me that they can't compete with China sitting next to the largest market in the world? Stupid on steroids. Once you do this illegal immigration will be a very managable problem.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (0M3AQ)

57 You all are so cute thinking I need a Vice President.

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (Zs83Q)

58 >>But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished,
you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are
here illegally.

Sure.<<

IF he actually is the first politician in history to really mean it when he says "secure the border" and then actually *does it*, he can probably get away with the path to citizenship stuff for those still here (the non-criminals anyway). But it can't be done in reverse order, and it can't be done half-assed "comprehensively" at the same time (we know which part will get left undone). He has to actually mean "secure the border" and then do it. Then we can talk about "paths" to whatever. But not one second before then.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (N5zTl)

59 None of those feature dead coyotes, though.

The artist wife has a deadline coming up. If nobody comes up with one after then, I'll see if I can brow-beat her into one.

(One of the moronettes suggested a I'm Rick Perry, Bitch! bumper sticker earlier, and Mrs.Slaw has some experience drawing wolves.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (bjRNS)

60 The quote right before that last one sold me:

"Heres what everyone should agree on: get the border secure, then we can have a conversation about what type immigration policy we want to put in place. If theres a revolving door at the border, your immigration policy is not worth the paper its written on. "

Posted by: CaveJohnson at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (wLVdh)

61 Perry/Dead Coyote!

Posted by: Y-not at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (5H6zj)

62 55 Charlie Daniels? Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:19 PM (sqkOB) Jack
Posted by: t-bird at August 12, 2011 01:22 PM (FcR7P)

Hmmm... that reminds me. IT'S LUNCHTIME!

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (WEWGu)

63 "Normally, the RINO in me would shy away from this because a lot of what
he says is going to scare the hell out of people and make it easier for
the Democrats to demonize the GOP (which they'd do anyway)."

The problem is any solution which actually approaches fixing the problem will involve some unpleasant talk. We are at that time now.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (FkKjr)

64 7
Amnesty won't be done with the stroke of a pen...unless Obama tries that.
I trust the House to check the Executive on that issue. For now.Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (Vwq6QSure ;-)!

Posted by: Rick Parry at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (A23u6)

65 Perry / Palin.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (XdlcF)

66
I cannot believe you guys are going to excuse Perry for his "path to citizenship". Where's Entropy? Where's the rest of his "No Way, No How" claque?
I get my ass ripped for saying this, Perry gets your excuses. "Oh, he doesn't mean it." "We'll just obstruct him later."
Is it possible Perry has this one right and some of you guys are just plain wrong?

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (rplL3)

67
This statement alone makes me want to vote for
Perry. I believe it is much easier to hold your local governer
accountable for mistakes than it is anyone in congress. Plus our states
are so very different, why should all americans have to follow New York
and Califonia's lead? The federal governements one size fits all
approach hasn't worked and will never work......

Posted by: kevin at August 12, 2011 01:20 PM (MWz/S)

Absolutely. Look at Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Rubber stamps for Dems for President but showing occasional lucidity when it comes to their own Governors and legislatures.

Posted by: Olk at August 12, 2011 01:23 PM (u+8qs)

68 Why wouldn't conservatives support a path to citizenship? I am pretty grateful to be a naturalized citizen (although I was never illegal). If people want to be here legally, I am all for it.

Posted by: Mongerel at August 12, 2011 01:24 PM (YqWfw)

69 Rick Perry's in? Damn, he'll eat me for lunch.

Posted by: Ham Sammich at August 12, 2011 01:24 PM (Zs83Q)

70 Normally, the RINO in me*ponders response* *lets it go as way waaaaaaaaay too easy*
I need to get some Cthulhu/Dagon stuff. No more years! No more years!

Posted by: alexthechick at August 12, 2011 01:24 PM (VtjlW)

71 But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

Sure.

This is what anyone running against Obama should say. You challenge them to fix the problem. It takes the wind out of the sails of the amnesty crowd. They want amnesty but don't want to stop the flow.
Perry knows that the democrats will fight tooth and nail against securing the border.
---COMMENT EDITED---

Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:25 PM (i6Neb)

72 Perry/ Megyn Kelly

Posted by: cherry π at August 12, 2011 01:25 PM (OhYCU)

73 Seriously, my campaign signs will say, "Perry/Whoever I freakin' feel like 2012"

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 12, 2011 01:26 PM (Zs83Q)

74 Perry to Obama - Plant those Obamalips on my ass now!

Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:26 PM (i6Neb)

75 None of those feature dead coyotes, though.>>The artist wife has a deadline coming up. If nobody comes up with one after then, I'll see if I can brow-beat her into one.
I'm picturing Wiley Coyote as a Democrat...
...and denouncing myself at the same time!

Posted by: Mama AJ, Multi-tasking Hobbit Terrorist at August 12, 2011 01:26 PM (XdlcF)

76 Wow, I almost got wood reading the article. I *wish* we could get someone like this in charge of the house and senate.

Posted by: Lone Marauder at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (/bVuS)

77 hot damn. when I asked my Congressman (he had been state legislator for 10 years before going to Congress) who he liked for Pres., he said "a Governor". he is exactly right.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (VIqi1)

78 Perry/My 6.2 couric dump from this morning 2012

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (Zs83Q)

79 Why wouldn't conservatives support a path to citizenship?

It's that "respect for the rules" thing. If people can't follow the rules to get into the country, it's hard to expect them to be good citizens.

That said, our path to citizenship is more than a little screwy. I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of reform there.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (bjRNS)

80 RUsh just said the 11th circuit ruled obamaCare unconstitutional..

Posted by: Dave C at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (C9VgD)

81 Megyn Kelly/Kelly Hu

Wait, what are we talking about again?

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (r0xbL)

82 Perry/The snakes on that effing plane 2012

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (Zs83Q)

83 I'm not looking for a candidate that I support 100%. I'm looking for one that I can respect, and will hand our man-child in Chief his ass in every debate.

Until I see differently, I believe that is Rick Perry. And for the record, the 10th Amendment thing has me completely sold. Of course, I live in Texas...

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (h1p5V)

84 6
Rick Perry is our rock star.

Can he sustain it?
Or will this weekend be the climax of his campaign?

He has done it for 25 years in Texas. Perry is hardcore and won't fade. Obama won't know how to handle him.

Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (i6Neb)

85 More from the article

But if you were president after Lehman Brothers collapsed, and you were facing that economic crisis, what would you have done?


I think you
allow the market to work its way through it. The idea that we own an
automobile company today is staggering in its proportions. I dont
understand why the TARP bill exists. Let the processes find their way. I
dont think its the government's job to be protecting a company thats
too big to fail. I dont buy into that premise. We have bankruptcy
laws and reorganization laws on our books for a reason. I think history
will show those were bad decisions.
----

Do. Want.


Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (sOXQX)

86 OT: Just out from Reuters: the 11th Circuit Court of "Appeals court rules
that Obama's healthcare law's individual mandate to own health
insurance unconstitutional."

Posted by: CarbonCopy at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (D8vUP)

87 Breaking news from Rush - an Atlanta court ruled Obamacare unconstitutional.

No word on whether they ruled that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hostage Taker at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (SzxHJ)

88 Perry: primary winner; general election: a strong second.
Romney: primary winner; general election: decisive winner.

It's your decision.

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (wc/Br)

89 But will he pay my mortgage?

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (Hx5uv)

90 I got a pathway to citizenship we can all get behind.

Go home to wherever you came from then apply to come back legally.

But first serve all jail time for any crime commited here, pay back all back debts, and pay all back taxes to include penalties and interest.

Posted by: Mr Pink at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (hHya0)

91 "if border security is accomplished"

That's a mighty big if, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Posted by: Greg Q at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (/0a60)

92 RUsh just said the 11th circuit ruled obamaCare unconstitutional..

Posted by: Dave C at August 12, 2011 01:27 PM (C9VgD)
Rush just convinced the 11th circuit to ponder to his audience. Duh!

Posted by: Geoff Bee at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (Zs83Q)

93 i support a path to citizenship. but not an citizenship ID as one crosses the border illegally.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (VIqi1)

94 9
Waitaminute???

Perry/Jindal 2012?

that's what I'm sensing

Said it months ago

Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (i6Neb)

95 "I can see squeezing the Mexican government to open up and liberalize their economy to allow for American investment. The squeeze is simple, enforce immigration and cut Mexico off of 20% of the income from remittances. Opening Mexico to American investment allows us to profit from Mexico's economic ascent. Finally,this policy recognizes that most Mexicans want to be Mexicans in Mexico - they would just like to have jobsin Mexico. There is a win-win here -Bush had a startbut was disappointed by theMex Prez - then that 9-11ie thing happened. The best way to handle illegal immigration is with a proactive foreign policy of American investment in Mexico. We both can win. If done properly, the Pubbies take the Mexican vote and add it to their Cuban vote. Just sayin. "
I think you have a geat idea here "Sub-Tard". It would probably be the best way to fix our immigration policy....Plus why do we send billions to countries half way around the world and not help out our nieghbors? As long as the corruption in governmentand the drug cartels go away......

Posted by: kevin at August 12, 2011 01:29 PM (MWz/S)

96 Thanks for your concern, ParisParamus

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 01:30 PM (cVIY5)

97 Anyone remember the JEF refusing to meet Perry at the Austin airport when Perry wanted to deliver a personal letter on border security?
Perry remembers.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 12, 2011 01:30 PM (Hryi1)

98 Link to the Reuters story about the appeals court verdict of Obamacare being unconstitutional.
Just take it to SCOTUS already.

Posted by: MWR, proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 12, 2011 01:30 PM (4df7R)

99 "if border security is accomplished"That's a mighty big if, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Posted by: Greg Q at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (/0a60)
Yeah that's what I took away from it. It was a pretty good answer IMO. If we do this thing we have never been able to do then I would be open to it.

Posted by: robtr at August 12, 2011 01:30 PM (MtwBb)

100 Perry/Bachmann 2012
Newt: Press Secretary

Posted by: flyby at August 12, 2011 01:31 PM (ucq49)

101 Sure ;-)!

Seriously.
We have to expect more gains in the House as well as the Senate. By we, I mean we terrorists.
Establishment flunkies getting tossed will lessen the pull/appeal of the Amnesty Lobby.

Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2011 01:31 PM (HtHDL)

102 Perry/Jindal would be awesome.
I'd also be happy with Perry/Giuliani. I know Giuliani gets mixed reviews from 'rons, but as someone mentioned earlier, he'd hit it out of the park when it comes to "independent" voters. And really, even though people think he was a "squish" or RINO, you can't not factor in the fact that he was the mayor of the land of curious. He could be way more to the right when governing the general public, and not a bunch of New Yorkers.

Posted by: yinzer at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (/Mla1)

103 Megyn Kelly/Kelly Hu

*sighs*. You want pics, don't you?

Your wish is my command:

Megyn Kelly / Kelly Hu

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (9hSKh)

104
Ron Paul Old and broken
Rick Parry The new hotness

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (A23u6)

105 No word on whether they ruled that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hostage Taker at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (SzxHJ)
It was implied.

Posted by: 11th Circuit Court at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (nlehU)

106

Perry/Jindal 2012?





that's what I'm sensing





Said it months ago


Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM (i6Neb)


That'd be a good ticket, right there.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (jx2j9)

107
Paul/Paul?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (sqkOB)

108 Why wouldn't conservatives support a path to
citizenship? I am pretty grateful to be a naturalized citizen (although I
was never illegal). If people want to be here legally, I am all for it.

Posted by: Mongerel at August 12, 2011 01:24 PM (YqWfw)

It's the "I sneak over here illegally first, then wait for my God given right to US citizenship" that is the problem. If one starts out breaking the law, how do US citizens take seriously one's resolve for the "rule of law"? That's why.

Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (N2yhW)

109
Peter/Paul/Mary

Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (sqkOB)

110 By the way the illegals do have a path to citizenship. It's called the legal immigration process.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (hbAPu)

111
Jesus/Mary/Joseph 2012!


Posted by: soothsayer at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (sqkOB)

112 Perry/Jindal would be awesome.
We're not done with him yet!

Posted by: Mama AJ, Multi-tasking Hobbit Terrorist in Louisiana at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (XdlcF)

113 Perry: primary winner; general election: a strong second.Romney: primary winner; general election: decisive winner.It's your decision.

Yeah, you cling to that electability horse. Me, I'm buying glue stocks.

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:33 PM (sOXQX)

114 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (9hSKh)

I luv you man!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 12, 2011 01:34 PM (jx2j9)

115 Bachman/Turner (Tina) Overdrive

Posted by: yinzer at August 12, 2011 01:34 PM (/Mla1)

116 Just remember, kids: The first Progressive Era president was...a Republican. (Benjamin Harrison)

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 12, 2011 01:34 PM (E7Z1r)

117 Perry/ Gore

Posted by: cherry π at August 12, 2011 01:34 PM (OhYCU)

118 We're not done with him yet!

Posted by: Mama AJ

Hi, can we borrow your governor for just a sec?

Kthanxbi.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 12, 2011 01:34 PM (h1p5V)

119 Perry / Palin.
BTW, I meant Bristol.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Multi-tasking Hobbit Terrorist in Louisiana at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (XdlcF)

120 Peanut/ Butter/ Jelly

Posted by: cherry π at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (OhYCU)

121 So, what kind of VP you think we'll need to balance the ticket?
Perry/Giuliani?
Perry/Daniels?
Thoughts?

I would lean twords Perry/West or Perry/Rubio.
I think not only would they be good combinations, but you might also steal some minority votes from the Liberals.

Posted by: kevin at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (MWz/S)

122 BTW, I meant Bristol.

Too young, I think. Don't you have to be 35?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (bjRNS)

123 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (9hSKh)
I'd hit that so hard atoms would smash

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (WEWGu)

124 Jindal? Really? Maybe some can school me here, cause I just don't feel it.

Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (N2yhW)

125 BTW, I meant Bristol.

Bullshit.
We all know you meant Todd.

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:36 PM (sOXQX)

126 I read his Sure. as, "first things first."

That Paint Creek Boy article is really good, and it's in a British paper?!

...the photo negative opposite of Mr Obama, a cerebral liberal with an exotic upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia who had no executive experience before the White House and had spent his adult life in academia and Democratic-controlled cities.

Yep.

Posted by: t-bird at August 12, 2011 01:36 PM (FcR7P)

127 Wonder if there's any connection at all between Gov. Perry and the Koch brothers, even if it's that he uses Angel Soft bathroom tissue and Dixie Cups in the governor's mansion, cuz you know the left will try use that against him.

And to the person who linked the article about Perry growing up, thanks, it was excellent.

Posted by: Theresa D., your favorite TPT at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (Zgfnd)

128 Hi, can we borrow your governor for just a sec?
Not for VP. But if you want to put him in charge of implementing ObamaCare, we can talk.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (XdlcF)

129 Drew, you're taking the one-word answer a bit out of context."We have a pathway to citizenship in this country today: its get in the line and do what it takes to get here legally."That's two paragraphs up. He's saying Enforce the laws already in place. I'm sold.
Posted by: cadrys

So what's wrong with this?
pro-illegal alien jerk: you promised a pathway!
Pres. Perry: I stated that the first goal is a secure border.
jerk: it is!
Pres. Perry: these photographs of the border indicate that you're full of shit. FONQ

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (326rv)

130 And here's something conservatives may not like so much.

Eh, i think if the border was actually secured, and i mean really no bullshit secured, most conservatives would be ok with a path to citizenship. Problem is, the border will never be secured and everyone knows it.

Posted by: booger at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (9RFH1)

131
By the way the illegals do have a path to citizenship. It's called the legal immigration process.

Almost verbatim to what Perry said: "We have a pathway to citizenship in this country today: its get in the line and do what it takes to get here legally."

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (cVIY5)

132 I think not only would they be good combinations, but you might also steal some minority votes from the Liberals.

I don't think you'll be stealing any from the black community.

As for Rubio, while I like him, it's important to remember he's Cuban, not Mexican, which makes a difference.

Sorry. I'm not normally an Eeyore.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:37 PM (bjRNS)

133 Rick Perry/Katy Perry's Boobies 2012

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (OWjjx)

134 Posted by: garrett at August 12, 2011 01:10 PM (Vwq6Q)

Re: Amnesty: I'm saddened to hear this is his position, but I'm not terribly surprised. He just doesn't care all that much about "migrant workers" being here. They don't bother him, so I can see why he'd say that.

What makes me feel better is that "after the border is taken care of" part. That's what puts him miles out front of the likes of Democrats and Grahamnesty.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (8y9MW)

135 Perry/ Angie Harmon 2012

She could get the Hollywood vote, and the wood vote

Posted by: cherry π at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (OhYCU)

136 Kratos, thanks for the bonus Julie Banderas. En Fuego!

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (Hryi1)

137 Too young, I think. Don't you have to be 35?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (bjRNS)
I rode my first train when I was 35! It went WOOOOOOO.

Posted by: Joe Bident, Vice President of the United States of America at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (nlehU)

138 Mr Perry has publicly mused about the possibility of Texas seceding from the Union and has sanctioned a record 232 executions as governor. - This is why Perry is so awesome!

Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (i6Neb)

139 T-Paw is done. Put him on the shelf, he is past his expiration date. He seems to be a bit of a prick. Perry will wipe the floor with him and do it with a big Texas smile.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (3TjSM)

140 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 12, 2011 01:32 PM (9hSKh)


Chixculub, Yucatan ....

I do like Megyn's new hairstyle better, though.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (r0xbL)

141 So Perry wants to eliminate the border and change our country into Mexico North? No thanks crazy Texan.

Posted by: CURIOUS!! at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (1fB+3)

142 We all know you meant Todd.
Press Secretary.
How about Guiliani at State?

Posted by: Mama AJ, giggling evilly at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (XdlcF)

143 Jindal? Really? Maybe some can school me here, cause I just don't feel it.
Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 01:35 PM (N2yhW)
He's smart, young, conservative, and wasn't afraid to harshly criticize O after the gulf oil leak. His youth inexperience can be good or bad, but that's why he'd be a decent VP pick. In 8 years he'd be primed to take over. Also he's got the minority thing going, I really hate to focus on that, but it can never hurt in our Affirmative Action society.

Posted by: yinzer at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (/Mla1)

144 If Obama is the "Unicorns and Rainbows" candidate, does that make Rick Perry the "Dead Coyotes and Texas Tornadoes" guy?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 12, 2011 01:40 PM (1+CnU)

145 Posted by: Mr Pink at August 12, 2011 01:28 PM
That's my kinda "pathway!"

"Sure, you can apply for citizenship once you're back in your own country, but the background check's gonna be a reeeeeal bitch...."

See? I do advocate a pathway to citizenship!

For the moment, gotta say Perry looks like the best choice to replace the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

But no Jindal, please. That doofus is gonna be lucky if Louisiana lets him keep his job. Let's have a Bolton, Christie, West or Bachmann (in short, someone with big brass ones) in the Number Two slot.... And whoever mentioned T-Paw: Tepid Air is over that-a-way!

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 12, 2011 01:40 PM (YjjrR)

146 Kratos, thanks for the bonus Julie Banderas. En Fuego!
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (Hryi1)
I want to print that out and hang it on the wall in my library but I'm afraid it would spontaneously combust and burn down my house.

Posted by: ErikW at August 12, 2011 01:40 PM (nlehU)

147 Wonder if there's any connection at all between Gov. Perry and the Koch brothers, even if it's that he uses Angel Soft bathroom tissue and Dixie Cups in the governor's mansion, cuz you know the left will try use that against him.
He's paying thousands of dollars a month to rent Angel Soft t.p.!!!

Posted by: MFM at August 12, 2011 01:41 PM (XdlcF)

148 Can we all just win an election first before we startselecting President-Elect Perry's Attorney General or Secretary of State?
Or something about not sucking something

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 12, 2011 01:41 PM (OWjjx)

149 Posted by: yinzer at August 12, 2011 01:39 PM (/Mla1)
Agreed and he talks so fast and so eloquently, nobody in the press pool would understand what he's talking about.

Posted by: ErikW at August 12, 2011 01:42 PM (nlehU)

150 I do like Jindal however I can't get that video of him out of my head when he responded to twinkledink. The one where he walked to the camera- egad! that was brutal.ly uncomfortable for us conservatives.

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:42 PM (WEWGu)

151
Romney needed torespondlike this to the hecklers.
"Youve got $115 trillion worth of unfunded liability in those three. Theyre bankrupt. Theyre a Ponzi scheme. I challenge anybody to stand up and defend the Social Security program that we have todayand particularly defend it to a 27-year-old young man whos just gotten married and is trying to get his life headed in the right direction economically"
Instead he gave the Dems ammo with "Corporations are People," which I don't disagree with, but which can be used against him in the class warefare electoral strategy that is coming.
All our guys suffer because the MFM are against us. Perry will be painted as Bush 2.0 because he is an evangelical from Texas.

Posted by: California Red at August 12, 2011 01:43 PM (DXTKe)

152 How about Guiliani at State?

I thought it was Giuliana at Justice, Bolton at State, Palin at Energy, etc.

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 01:43 PM (sOXQX)

153 But no Jindal, please. That doofus is gonna be lucky if Louisiana lets him keep his job.
Huh? Click my name.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:44 PM (XdlcF)

154 Ron Paul at Treasury

Posted by: yinzer at August 12, 2011 01:44 PM (/Mla1)

155 Perry has said the same things that all the other conservative candidates have said. He has no organization. He has no money. He has no coattails. He looks like an opportunist to me.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at August 12, 2011 01:45 PM (hZqYp)

156 "Youve got $115 trillion worth of unfunded liability in those three. Theyre bankrupt. Theyre a Ponzi scheme

I want to bear this man's electoral children. Can we confirm if he's the only politician to state this openly?

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 01:45 PM (326rv)

157 Ron Paul at Treasury

Bwahahahahaha!

Not gonna happen, but that's an awesome idea.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 12, 2011 01:46 PM (bjRNS)

158 @95 (Kevin)

This is exactly what both parties should be arguing about on immigration, not border fence vs. amnesty.

You flip the cost-benefit of illegally immigrating to the US around for Mexicans then most of them would likely move back to Mexico. Taking an economic approach would also potentially help the GOP with legal immigrant voters by showing that they truly care about them and not just their votes in comparison to the Democrats.

Posted by: Nate at August 12, 2011 01:46 PM (BBlzg)

159 1 - build the damn fence
2 - deport all the illegals in our prisons (that'll relieve overcrowding real quick)
3 - shoot those who try to climb the damn fence - especially those lousy canuucks
4 - speakio the english and take the damn citizenship test
Now that's a path to citizenship

Posted by: phreshone at August 12, 2011 01:47 PM (T3vCe)

160 Perry/West or Perry/Rubio

Guilliani as AG
Palin as Sec of Energy
Bolton as Sec of State


I want a bumper sticker that says "Adios MO FO" with the o's being the Obama logo.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 01:47 PM (ignDe)

161 i must admit, perry will make a great vp pick for Teh Sarah

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 12, 2011 01:48 PM (R7NIt)

162 I want a bumper sticker that says "Adios MO FO" with the o's being the Obama logo.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 01:47 PM (ignDe)
Me. Like.

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:48 PM (WEWGu)

163 Don't worry Drew, that's just Perry doing what he always does. Fire and brimstone leading up to the election, none of it's real.

We have all noticed the significant discrepancy between the images of fast food in the advertising art and the appearance of the actual food served. Some franchises are worse than others. Some, like Taco Bell, have a huge discrepancy between the mouth watering advertising and the disgusting inedible sewage actually served to customers.

Rick Perry is Taco Bell.

Posted by: Bob Saget, half hobbit, half honey badger, half teabag at August 12, 2011 01:49 PM (F/4zf)

164 I do like Jindal however I can't get that video of him out of my head when he responded to twinkledink. The one where he walked to the camera- egad! that was brutal.ly uncomfortable for us conservatives.
See if this makes you feel better.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:49 PM (XdlcF)

165 @145

Jindal has no big-time opponent right now for his race so who looks like the "doofus" in this.

Just admit you want a VP candidate that has the same attack dog personality as whoever the GOP nominee is going to be. That's not Jindal's style, and his success is precisely because he doesn't have the style.

Posted by: Nate at August 12, 2011 01:50 PM (BBlzg)

166 I don't like Perry's immigration stance, either, and if he doesn't catch fire or trips over his own dick, I'll have that as a justification for not hopping right on the bandwagon. But at this point, I want somebody who will get upinto Preznit Stutterfuck's grill and hang him with his own words. I would have wood for twenty years if Perry made the JEF blow his top during a debate and show the whole country what a worthless, immature cockholster he is.
So hit him hard, Perry! Knock him down, spit in his face! Slander his name all over the place!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Clitoris at August 12, 2011 01:50 PM (zF6Iw)

167 See if this makes you feel better.
Complete with libtards calling him a "lier" in the comments. Priceless.

Posted by: dagny at August 12, 2011 01:51 PM (uAbEO)

168 He has no organization. He has no money. He has no coattails. He looks like an opportunist to me.

Did you forget the sarc tag?

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 01:51 PM (cVIY5)

169 23

sunshine of righteous scrutiny

I may have to change my nic to that.

Perry/Jindal 2012?

Jindal is currently running for re-election here.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:14 PM (XdlcF)
Jindal's only opposition right now is a schoolteacher from around Concordia Parish because the state Dims, including a former classmate of mine who ran for Lt. Governor in the special election, see no hope of winning.
It's not a question of "Does he get re-elected?" as much as "How many Anybody But Bobby voters are there in the state?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2011 01:52 PM (VZ10+)

170 Reports show that the economy is such that illegals are moving back to Mexico. So it could be argued that Obama has done more about illegal immigration than anyone.

Seriously, though, I've got no problem with a form of citizenship for those who have been here for a long time and can show that they've been productive. Levy a fine and insist on a citizenship test (which includes fluency in English).

Send criminals back to Mexico immediately. Take them out of our prisons, off the probation/parole rolls and, send them back if they are stopped and a background check indicates criminal convictions and/or gang affiliation. No exceptions.

The above can only happen, however, once the borders are closed. We have national guard and regular troops who have 10+ years of battle hardened experience. Patrolling the border would be a piece of cake.


Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 01:53 PM (ignDe)

171 Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:49 PM (XdlcF)
I know, I know! I love the guy and what he did during that wretched time, the leadership he exuded was so inspirational and made jugears look like a bumbling fool BUT that other vid, well it was just f'ncreepy.

Posted by: Talibill at August 12, 2011 01:53 PM (WEWGu)

172
108Why wouldn't conservatives support a path to citizenship? I am pretty grateful to be a naturalized citizen (although I was never illegal). If people want to be here legally, I am all for it.
What dogfish and Meiczyslaw said. What part don't you get about conservatives' disdain for people who sneak into the US? Naturalizing them doesn't fix it for us. They're sneaks.
Libs always say this is anti-Mexican prejudice. Mexicans are great people. Good citizens, good employees, people of faith. But if they come here knowing they're doing a bad thing and are defensive about it, like everyone else they will develop an anti-establishment attitude. Ergo La Raza and the punk-ass attutide.
Make the immigration quota for Mexico larger. Make the process easier. Hell, go for unlimited legal immigration from Mexico. The US can only benefit. But the jerks who sneaked in can just go back to where they came from and get in line. I don't respect them, and I don't want them here.

Posted by: Kathy C at August 12, 2011 01:54 PM (T9l3S)

173 Which one of you morons live in Spring Hill, TN? http://tinyurl.com/3txcdjy

Posted by: dagny at August 12, 2011 01:55 PM (uAbEO)

174 None of those feature dead coyotes, though.


Posted by: Waterhouse at August 12, 2011 01:18 PM (r0xbL)


Are we sure it wasn't one of those other kind of coyotes?

Posted by: baldilocks at August 12, 2011 01:56 PM (T2/zQ)

175 And I'm still trying to figure out how having a Jindal for Gov. sign makes me racist.
I mean, I know it does, of course. Probably something to do with The ChildrenTM.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 01:56 PM (XdlcF)

176 I rode my first train when I was 35! It went WOOOOOOO.

Posted by: Joe Bident, Vice President of the United States of America at August 12, 2011 01:38 PM (nlehU)

I pulled my first train when I was 35! I went WOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: Barney Frank at August 12, 2011 01:56 PM (QRuLZ)

177 #162, mpurintexas, when you find that bumper sticker, please let me know where you got it, cuz I want one, too!

Posted by: Theresa D., your favorite TPT at August 12, 2011 01:56 PM (Zgfnd)

178 168
He has no organization. He has no money. He has no coattails. He looks like an opportunist to me.

Did you forget the sarc tag?

Look at his nic.

Posted by: booger at August 12, 2011 01:58 PM (9RFH1)

179 @171

He talks about that speech in his book: Leadership and Crisis, and completely admits he screwed up the optics on it, and should have had the GOP let him deliver it in a fashion more in sync with how he talks.

Why do we have to eat our own so much over little things?


Posted by: Nate at August 12, 2011 01:58 PM (BBlzg)

180 It's not a question of "Does he get re-elected?" as much as "How many Anybody But Bobby voters are there in the state?"


Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2011 01:52 PM

Okay. If you Louisiana folks want him, please keep him there where he can do the most good.

To me, the guy comes off limp and whiny (ref. the post-oil-spill TV appearances), and the last thing we want is someone who can't take the heat or put on the pressure while helping dismante the disaster President Stuttering Clusterfuck is creating.

Palin would be a perfect fit as Secretary of Facebook....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 12, 2011 01:59 PM (YjjrR)

181 162 177 don't forget to order goo gone so you can replace them with Palin/West 2012 stickers
she'll run, she'll win, you'll like it

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 12, 2011 01:59 PM (R7NIt)

182 Hmmm, if you liked McCain you'll love Perry. Same clown different clown suit. Do we really need open borders?
Google his position on illegal immigration, using the Texas Rangers on the border, illegal alien employment in Texas and tell me he is a conservative.

Check out what he did to Texas finances and tell me he is a small government conservative. I go by people's records not teleprompter speeches.

Posted by: Molon Labe at August 12, 2011 02:00 PM (g5MrG)

183 You put Jindal on that ticket and you'll have two guys who will run circles around Obama/Biden. Two guys who not only sound like they know what they are talking about, but KNOW what the hell they are talking about.
You will have a huge contrast of competency (Perry/Jindal) vs. incompetency (Obama/Biden). I like this prospective ticket.

Posted by: Spiker at August 12, 2011 02:01 PM (u2rWt)

184 Heh. Perry isnt just willing to touch the third rail he wants to wrestle it.

Posted by: phreshone at August 12, 2011 02:03 PM (T3vCe)

185 Posted by: Molon Labe at August 12, 2011 02:00 PM (g5MrG)
I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message.

Posted by: Spiker at August 12, 2011 02:04 PM (u2rWt)

186 @180

You wouldn't be pissed if an oil company, although gy accident had a bunch of oil seep into the ocean, where a few industries that help sustain the state are now put into jeopardy because of it?

You wouldn't be pissed if President Obama was taking his time to get down there with resources and help?

You have an interesting definition of what "whiny" is.

Posted by: Nate at August 12, 2011 02:05 PM (BBlzg)

187 We have to have a path to citizenship for those who are here already but have obeyed the laws since coming, just to get them on the tax rolls if nothing else.

Anyone who thinks it is possible to round up and deport 10-12 million people is nuts. It would take a police state more pervasive than Stalin's to do it. It takes every law enforcement officer at every level already to make the 3 million arrests at all levels every year, so figure at least quadrupling the police forces at a minimum, plus instituting no-knock no-warrant raids and internal checkpoints ("Papers, please.") throughout the country.

No thanks.

Posted by: Adjoran at August 12, 2011 02:06 PM (VfmLu)

188 "I want a bumper sticker that says "Adios MO FO" with the o's being the Obama logo."
That. is. brilliant!

Posted by: bosk at August 12, 2011 02:07 PM (n2K+4)

189 "Don't you have to be 35?"
38. D

Posted by: flyby at August 12, 2011 02:07 PM (ucq49)

190 The path to citizenship is the one that already exists as a matter of law (and not executive writ). Yeah, he can imagine that. It would be the HONEST TRUTH.

Posted by: JayBee at August 12, 2011 02:08 PM (Xwgt3)

191 I had forgotten this. People keep suggesting that Palin will jump in. here's why I don't think that she will.
1. If she does now or in the near future, she is undercutting everybody else, includuing the two front runners.
2. She has to announce her intentions to Fox. We saw this before, with Huckabee, and the rumors were swirling about like flies on shit. There's nothing here. Either things have magically tightened up, the media has lost interest (yeah, right) or there's been no change.
I still bet that we'll hear an endorsement from here once Perry announces. We shall see.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 02:08 PM (326rv)

192 BUT of course NO "path to citizenship" or any other form of normalization/legalization is possible UNTIL we secure the border. That is priority #1.

Fences/walls in the high-traffic areas and increased patrolling in the more rural sections where a fence would be regularly breached anyway. Expedited deportation of those who break the laws after any prison sentence.

Posted by: Adjoran at August 12, 2011 02:08 PM (VfmLu)

193 #162, mpurintexas, when you find that bumper sticker, please let me know where you got it, cuz I want one, too!



I might put something together on Cafe Press when I have some time. I'll post it to the Yahoo group if I do.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 02:09 PM (ignDe)

194 George Stephanapoulos just blogged this-

David Axelrod: Rick Perry Has a Record of Decimation.

Sounds like an endorsement!

What David doesn't know is it's coming his way.

Posted by: tasker at August 12, 2011 02:09 PM (14jKX)

195 I still bet that we'll hear an endorsement from here once Perry announces. We shall see.

They're both going to be in Iowa tomorrow, aren't they?

Posted by: Methos at August 12, 2011 02:10 PM (sOXQX)

196 "I want a bumper sticker that says "Adios MO FO" with the o's being the Obama logo."


This!

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 02:11 PM (cVIY5)

197 David Axelrod: Rick Perry Has a Record of Decimation.

What did he reduce by a tenth?

Posted by: t-bird at August 12, 2011 02:12 PM (FcR7P)

198 197
David Axelrod: Rick Perry Has a �Record of Decimation.



What did he reduce by a tenth?

Democrat office-holders within Texas

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2011 02:13 PM (VZ10+)

199 Anyone who thinks it is possible to round up and deport 10-12 million people is nuts. It would take a police state more pervasive than Stalin's to do it. It takes every law enforcement officer at every level already to make the 3 million arrests at all levels every year, so figure at least quadrupling the police forces at a minimum, plus instituting no-knock no-warrant raids and internal checkpoints ("Papers, please.") throughout the country.No thanks.
Posted by: Adjoran
This is a strawman. You don't have to round up 10-12 million people, just as you don't have to collect all taxes at gunpoint. Voter ID reduces much of the voter fraud. E-verify with sanctions for businesses will put pressure on the other end. To that add the lfting of restrictions against checking status when people make contact with government. In state tuition without checking status? At places that accept Federal funds? Illegal. If you tried applying at most government agencies for things they often check for outstanding warrants or delinquent child support. This would extend status to those checks already in place.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 02:14 PM (6rX0K)

200 she'll run, she'll win, you'll like it

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 12, 2011 01:59 PM (R7NIt)



I think that balmy tropical weather is making you, well, a bit balmy.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 02:14 PM (ignDe)

201 153 Click my name._______
That's the moron "pull my finger", isn't it?

Posted by: Anachronda at August 12, 2011 02:16 PM (IrbU4)

202 I still bet that we'll hear an endorsement from here once Perry announces. We shall see.They're both going to be in Iowa tomorrow, aren't they?
Posted by: Methos

Nope. He's going to be in South CarolinaI believe. Perry isn't participating in the Iowa poll. And Palin is doing her own thing, and will be addressing a crowd that she drew. So anyone she chooses to endorse on that tour gets that boost. I think that she's angling for a campaign role that will be parlayed into a cabinet position. And it will make Obamas' buying off Hilary look more like the loser deal it was.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 02:17 PM (6rX0K)

203 Drew - you're, like, kidding, right? Perry used to BE a democrat. Rove brought him over under the Bush admin in TX. Don't be a Tool. You THINK Perry's bringing a gun to Obama's knife fight? It will be a water pistol. He just doesn't have it in him to go for kill. At least he's better than Mitt "Johnny Bench called" Romney

Posted by: kay at August 12, 2011 02:19 PM (JBOwT)

204 203
Drew - you're, like, kidding, right? Perry used to BE a democrat. Rove
brought him over under the Bush admin in TX.
Familiar with politics in the Deep South? There wasn't a viable Republican party in huge swaths of the South before Reagan or, in some cases, the 1994 mid-terms.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2011 02:21 PM (VZ10+)

205 Perry/Bachmann
Sec State Bolton
Sec Def McCain (gives us a chance to replace the RINO)
Sec Energy Palin
Sec DOT Kyle Bush
AG Guiliani

Pres Sec - Newt

Resident-in-Chief, Old Cranks home -Ron Paul

Posted by: flyby at August 12, 2011 02:22 PM (ucq49)

206 194 George Stephanapoulos just blogged this- David Axelrod: Rick Perry Has a Record of Decimation. ------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, Perry is just killing Texas................with that record of decimation.

Posted by: Spiker at August 12, 2011 02:25 PM (JpBHP)

207 That's the moron "pull my finger", isn't it?
Since I started putting links in my name instead of using TinyUrl, I've been resisting saying "click me!" for fear of the response.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 02:29 PM (XdlcF)

208 Posted by: kay at August 12, 2011 02:19 PM (JBOwT)

Yep, that's it. Rove made Rick Perry a Democrat in 1989, in preparation for George Bush's Presidential run in 2000. That Rove, he's sure a sneaky one, huh?

Or, you know, it could be that, until the late '80's, "Democrat" wasn't such a bad word in Texas, and as soon as he saw that the Democrats were moving too far left for him to be comfortable, he switched to Republican.

One of the two.

I really hope Mittens pays you guys really well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 12, 2011 02:31 PM (8y9MW)

209 Yeah, that George snuffleupagus is one impartial, professional media type guy. Regurgitating tweets from Obama's version of Jiminy cricket.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 12, 2011 02:31 PM (326rv)

210 Colbert Super Pac Iowa ad for Rick Parry? what a oon http://tinyurl.com/3s6t4mh

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 02:32 PM (A23u6)

211 Well, if Rick Perry is in favor of the metric system, I don't think I can vote for him.

Posted by: Concerned Mama AJ at August 12, 2011 02:33 PM (XdlcF)

212 *loon

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 02:33 PM (A23u6)

213 I might put something together on Cafe Press when I have some time. I'll post it to the Yahoo group if I do.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 02:09 PM (ignDe)

Point of order, if I may. MOFO is one word.

Posted by: dogfish at August 12, 2011 02:34 PM (N2yhW)

214 I feel like with Perry we're getting a re-run of the Fred Thompson lovefest in 2008, only this time the candidate is capitalizing on his momentum and doing all the right things to keep that momentum.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at August 12, 2011 02:35 PM (IGkEP)

215 "You THINK Perry's bringing a gun to Obama's knife
fight? It will be a water pistol. He just doesn't have it in him to go
for kill. At least he's better than Mitt "Johnny Bench called" Romney


Posted by: kay at August 12, 2011 02:19 PM (JBOwT)"
Pay closer attention to Perry. He's capable of great attacks. Indeed, we have to watch the abilities of the candidates and see who is capable of facing Obama and making clear, concise criticisms that persuade voters.Also, whining that he was a democrat long ago is not credible, given how many great Republicans were. In fact, being a reformed democrat can be a good thing. He can identify better with the most valuable voters (those who were stupid in 2008, but can be convinced to switch).Perry has run the state of Texas well from a conservative POV. Perhaps he's just a great politician and did his job well because great politicians in Texas are forced to. It's still a better record than many of his competitors.We have to pick the best potential conservative president who can win, and a long record of dealing with cutting spending and administrative challenges is a bit freaking plus. Just look at how Perry's government has handled disasters. He's at least skilled.I'm not on board with anybody until I understand their entire agenda, but so far so good.

Posted by: Dustin at August 12, 2011 02:42 PM (519+h)

216 Obama staffers....

Obama election results....

Obama electoral college delegates....

Just a prediction....

Posted by: tasker at August 12, 2011 02:42 PM (14jKX)

217 Point of order, if I may. MOFO is one word.


Duly noted.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 02:43 PM (ignDe)

218 I like Perry + anyone that hasn't run before. Rubio or Jindal would be great by me.. or someone not on the radar right now. The main focus should be a strong ticket and usher in as many into the House and Senate to remake the scene in Washington.

As far as illegals: Make the border secure. Tell Mexico to either get control of everything north of Mexico City or we'll take it and build a fence further south where it will be shorter and easier to enforce.

We did it once, we can find another Pershing to invade Mexico and stop the crap that is going on...

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 12, 2011 02:44 PM (SyLEU)

219 Liberal media-when their heads explode.

Posted by: tasker at August 12, 2011 02:44 PM (14jKX)

220 Late to the party, but a "path to citizenship," contingent on border security first? Not a problem. Great. Gotta do something with 'em, might as well get them paying all the taxes. At the rate we're going, half of them are gonna head back south of the border by 2012 anyway to find a job. And even just reading it above, Perry's "Sure" answer sounded a heckuva lot like, "Ha, yeah, sure, whatever you want. I'll be sure to get right on that 'path to citizenship' thing as soon as we're done building this massive wall."

Posted by: chazmartel at August 12, 2011 02:44 PM (wlSqE)

221 MoDo's undies when she craps them.

Posted by: tasker at August 12, 2011 02:45 PM (14jKX)

222 @205 Ack! You got to keep that crazy- eyed lady far, far away from the GOP ticket if you want to win.

Posted by: Lizbth at August 12, 2011 02:46 PM (JZBti)

223 Decimated.

Posted by: tasker at August 12, 2011 02:46 PM (14jKX)

224 I am absolutely behind him, but I want to see him earn it over the primaries against Mitt. I think a competitive primary helps us.

BTW, the interviewer seems to think Perry's positions stated in that interview absolutely doom him in the general election: http://tinyurl.com/3wsh86f


Posted by: Dudley Smith at August 12, 2011 02:51 PM (dFcqg)

225 Now I feel I'm decimated........ Damn you Governor Perry!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 12, 2011 02:52 PM (SyLEU)

226 How long is it going to be before we hear, "You're going to replace the first black president with a southern white male? RACIST!!!"

Posted by: lone chicago conservative at August 12, 2011 02:54 PM (2sgnB)

227 72 Perry/ Megyn Kelly

I thought Megyn Kelly was from Texas.
I'm up for it, but she'd have to "move" (like Cheney did).

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 12, 2011 02:57 PM (Qxe/p)

228
mpurinTexas,
Please do - I'll buy it!

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Posted by: dby54v4c32 at August 12, 2011 02:59 PM (ulHkG)

230 "I think every program needs to stand the sunshine of righteous scrutiny."
I only got this far before I fainted. Perry just shot to Number One on My List.
In Ric Burns documentary, "New York," he makes the point that New York state was the incubator for all the New Deal programs like social security that Governor Franklin Roosevelt made national programs as President. Maybe Governor Perry could take the Texas Model national in the same way, undoing some of these moribund New Deal/Great Society programs.
Or maybe ALL of them.

Posted by: Tantor at August 12, 2011 03:00 PM (blNMI)

231 Miss Me Yet?

Posted by: Barak H. Hessein at August 12, 2011 03:00 PM (kUaEF)

232 As for providing a legal path for Mexican nationals to become US citizens, yes we can. We should abandon the chaotic process by which Mexicans enter the US illegally and provide an orderly legal process by which they enter, work, pay taxes, and study to be citizens. If they keep their nose clean ten years, have a job, pass a citizenship test, then give them their green card.

Posted by: Tantor at August 12, 2011 03:03 PM (blNMI)

233

http://www.cafepress.com/barackfubarobama.563248077


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Adios MO FO



Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 03:07 PM (i6Neb)

234 I am a staunch Conservative tea party supporting voter in Texas and I have no problem with securing the border as in Israeli style and putting in place a program with multiple steps to citizenship.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 12, 2011 03:08 PM (0OJd9)

235 Posted by: izoneguy at August 12, 2011 03:07 PM (i6Neb)


Link fail

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 12, 2011 03:10 PM (ignDe)

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Posted by: manhe at August 12, 2011 03:10 PM (Wy/wV)

237 You did Dick Chaney? Yuk

Posted by: lone chicago conservative at August 12, 2011 03:12 PM (2sgnB)

238 Great post, Drew!

Posted by: pajama momma at August 12, 2011 03:14 PM (5t59k)

239 Whoa Tranfredo lets the cat of the bag on Perry and illegal immigration . Tranfredo is a sore looser? http://tinyurl.com/3mmpdea

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 03:14 PM (A23u6)

240 Perry/Giuliani: Rudy's positions have a lot of squish in them, but ... the thought of him debating Slow Joe makes me smile from ear to ear.

Posted by: Brown Line at August 12, 2011 03:15 PM (VrNoa)

241 As far as I'm concerned, now that he's a declared candidate, the race is over. I don't care how it gets done between now and the GOP convention next year, he needs to be the guy standing on the stage when the balloons drop.
Leave your quibbles and your dream candidates behind, folks. This is the guy.

Posted by: Mr. Fire at August 12, 2011 03:16 PM (TOk1P)

242 Perry/Cuomo

Come for the bipartisanship, stay for the Journey cover of "Papa Loves Mambo"

Posted by: Wooga at August 12, 2011 03:17 PM (2p0e3)

243 I have NO problem with any of his positions. Including the illegal immigrants currently here getting an opportunity for citizenship IF THE BORDER IS SECURE.

The devil is in the details. Plus who's going to vote for any of what he wants to do. Not even a majority of Republicans will vote for all that or even have an honest debate about it.

I said before; it took years to get to this place and it'll take years to get out of it. (if the WAVE OF DOOM doesn't do it for us first.)

Problem is, is remaining focused.

Maybe we have to revisit the 2 term limit on President. Roosevelt had 4 terms to screw things up, it may take more than 2 for someone to lead us out of it.

And all that's given that some major re-education can be done to the liberal leaners in the country that will make reform difficult to do.


Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 12, 2011 03:18 PM (iniPz)

244 Hmmm, can't wait to see the DNC ads attacking Jindal's exorcism days. Think Mormonism's a tough sell.... Oh, that and his cringeworthy GOP response to Obama back when. Rubio any day over Jindal, esp. since the Indian vote is big enough to matter. Is there a conservative woman under the radar?

I want Eloise Anderson to have a prominent place in the next administration.
http://www.claremont.org/scholars/id.395/scholar.asp

http://reason.com/archives/1997/06/01/hints-from-eloise


"Do you think we should completely abolish welfare?" Leslie
Stahl of 60 Minutes asks a contemplative Eloise Anderson,
director of California's Department of Social Services, on national
TV.

Anderson, staring straight into Stahl's eyes, replies firmly,
"Yes."

"You do?" Stahl responds, visibly taken aback.

"Yeah."

"What about those people who find it too hard to work?" asks
Stahl after emitting a "Wow."

"I don't understand finding it too hard to work."

Posted by: SFGoth at August 12, 2011 03:22 PM (dZ756)

245 Anyone concerned about Perry's ability to raise funds can relax.

From the (NYT) link "He is the most successful fund-raiser in the history of Texas politics, said Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice,
a watchdog organization that tracks campaign spending. He may be the
best in the country. He will have no trouble raising the money he needs
for his presidential campaign.

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 03:22 PM (cVIY5)

246
Sarah Palin arrived at the Iowa State Fair today to assure a swarm of
reporters that she's still considering running for president, even as the space
for her in the Republican field seemed to narrow.


Still, Palin drew the assembled media at the fair, with dozens of reporters
swarming away from Rick Santorum's stump speech at the official "Soapbox" to her
impromptu running press conference near a barn at the far end of the
grounds.

Posted by: Rick hey I'm talkin here Santorum at August 12, 2011 03:25 PM (A23u6)

247 Oh, an aside here.

I'm beginning to think that since Obama's done such a bang up job of f**king the pooch, folks have a bit of friendly nostalgia about GW.

I don't think labeling Perry with the GW Bush 2.0 label is gonna be a winner. All Perry has to do is roll out his stats in Texas, Bushes Stats in Texas and Bushes stats as Pres. then contrast and compare to the current Preznit.

Game over.

Oh and also; Stephen Colbert's shown us who HE thinks is the most dangerous by launching a fake ad with Perry's name misspelled.

I hope he can be sued for that but I'm guessing they've got themselves covered.

Boycott Colbert: He's a douche.

Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 12, 2011 03:27 PM (iniPz)

248
Reason: What in your background made you want
to change welfare?

Eloise Anderson: I'm a commoner. I'm a
blue-collar Midwesterner and Catholic. If I were white--meaning
being allowed to be a human being with all the complexities that
humans develop--I'd be perceived as German, because my
socialization was within a German cultural community. My notions
about freedom and what democracy's all about don't have very much
room for public social welfare systems of the type that we
designed, created, and continue to perpetuate in this country.
Reason: Who are your intellectual influences?
Do you have any heroes?

Anderson: Mark Twain, because I like his voice.
I think Mark Twain was a pure American, and his voice, his literate
voice was one which I understood. He always brought up the
hypocrisies in America in a way that we could swallow. He was
funny. He was troubled by the conflict in society. If I had a hero,
it would be him. If I had a heroine, it would probably be Sojourner
Truth. Sojourner posed the question to feminists: Are black women
considered women? If you're going to talk about feminist issues,
then you can't talk about women's issues in general, because all of
us don't have the same experience. Sojourner Truth brought more
honesty to the women's movement than anybody [else]. So those are
my two, other than my mom and dad.
Reason: Welfare is often painted in black face.
What role does race play in the debate?

Anderson: I think there's an underlying belief
in this country that we need to push to the surface. Many people
believe that blacks are intellectually inferior. So a lot of people
believe that we must have a system to take care of blacks, because
they surely can't compete with us whites and Asians. The other
thing is the subtle demonizing of blacks in the welfare debate.
Every time we have something negative to say about welfare, there
is a black mother or a black male. Any time you have anything
positive to say about welfare, there's a white mother. These two
things merge in the debate about welfare. Yet if people look at
history, they would also know that most blacks did not come to
welfare until the late '50s and '60s. What were they doing all
those other years? Working.
///
There's lots more good stuff. This woman needs a prominent role.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 12, 2011 03:27 PM (dZ756)

249 So we have Rick Perry, Obamacare unconstitutional and over at HotAir a Quinnipiac poll showing Obama has a 45/49 approval/disapproval in New York. This is too much. I am waiting for some major buzzkill today.

Posted by: Joffen at August 12, 2011 03:28 PM (EPcuy)

250
Right Scoop is live streaming Newt now

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 03:29 PM (A23u6)

251 The comments over at that NYT article are hilarious, btw.

Posted by: Lauren at August 12, 2011 03:31 PM (cVIY5)

252 Yeah about the abolishing welfare thing; it's having enough jobs available and them finding a job that's actually the major stumbling block to that.

Besides the fact that many of these people on welfare are unemployable, they may even be untrainable. That's if jobs within their ability are available.

The country has moved away from so many types of work that they could do.

Also many of these folks have physical disabilities so I don't think she was being honest with here answer. Unless, of course, if she's totally uninformed about those on welfare.

Posted by: Sock Puppet Du Jour at August 12, 2011 03:31 PM (iniPz)

253 249 So we have Rick Perry, Obamacare unconstitutional and over at HotAir a Quinnipiac poll showing Obama has a 45/49 approval/disapproval in New York. This is too much. I am waiting for some major buzzkill today.
Posted by: Joffen at August 12, 2011 03:28 PM (EPcuy)
The Tooth Fairy isn't real

Posted by: buzzion at August 12, 2011 03:31 PM (GULKT)

254 Newt at Iowa State Fair live stream http://tinyurl.com/3nsehpv

Posted by: Krazy Kat at August 12, 2011 03:33 PM (A23u6)

255
I cannot believe you guys are going to excuse Perry for his "path to
citizenship". Where's Entropy? Where's the rest of his "No Way, No How"
claque?

Ummm, because he has his horse before the cart? hint: secure the border first, then we can talk about the rest. And we can first start with the Americans who hire them: escalating fines, followed by jail time if you are caught hiring illegals many times.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at August 12, 2011 03:33 PM (1hM1d)

256 The Tooth Fairy isn't real

Hahaha you're funny! Of course she's real!

Posted by: Joffen at August 12, 2011 03:35 PM (EPcuy)

257 You've got your headline elements out of order. It's:

1. Kick Ass.
2. Chew Bubblegum.
3. Out of Bubblegum.

Although I'm thinking you and your Moron co-bloggers need some special shades to see the difference between "it's" and "its."

Posted by: Brennan at August 12, 2011 03:42 PM (ntN6Q)

258 BTW, Drew, how is it that you are able to successfully differentiate between "who's" and "whose"? 'Dja see where I'm goin' wid dis?

-B

Posted by: Brennan at August 12, 2011 03:46 PM (ntN6Q)

259 "Texas record of job creation has more to do with profits from the oil industry, a growing military and receiving aid from the Recovery Act", according to David Axelrod.

Posted by: Joffen at August 12, 2011 03:51 PM (EPcuy)

260 Jindal is currently running for re-election here.

Wouldn't stop him from turning around and jumping onto a presidential ticket after an essentially uncontested re-election this fall. Jindal's an opportunist and every office he's had has been spent angling for a higher one.

It's why the lieutenant governor's race has gotten so much attention, both the special election last year that put Dardenne in and the regular election this year -- everyone expects that Bobby could bail at any time.

Personally I think he's been a lousy governor and wouldn't bring much to a ticket beyond youth, wonkishness, and minority cred for the GOP.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 12, 2011 03:51 PM (lT/p/)

261 "Besides the fact that many of these people on welfare are unemployable, they may even be untrainable. That's if jobs within their ability are available."
Send the yobs to London.

Posted by: flyby at August 12, 2011 03:53 PM (ucq49)

262 #218, screw Jindal. I saw him give a great speech at the NRA Annual Meeting in 2008, liked him,but I lived in Louisiana for two years. I drove on better roads in Baghdad. With all their casino money, if they can't keep US 171 in better repair than an Arab goat path, something is really fucked in that state and I'm blaming the Governor.

Posted by: SGT Dan at August 12, 2011 03:54 PM (jCQ+I)

263 88 Perry: primary winner; general election: a strong second.


Romney: primary winner; general election: decisive winner.


Rick Perry will CRUSH Obama. Reagan '84 margin of victory.

Posted by: Naqamel at August 12, 2011 03:56 PM (UMwMT)

264 With all their casino money, if they can't keep US 171 in better repair
than an Arab goat path, something is really fucked in that state and I'm
blaming the Governor.

Louisiana's problems have been a very long time in the making and it would have been unrealistic to expect any governor to turn them around so quickly.... but really, Jindal has done jack shit with his first four years. Like Obama, he ran a "transformative" campaign and then immediately settled into a business-as-usual relationship with the scumbag crooks in the legislature once in office. The best that can be said is that he isn't a crook himself, which in Louisiana practically makes one a statesman.

It cannot be overstated how big a disappointment he has been, and I've voted for him three times since 2003. I won't be casting a vote in the governor's race this year.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 12, 2011 03:59 PM (lT/p/)

265 And when I'm done kicking ass, you'll be picking up your teeth with broken fingers.

Posted by: Rick "Rampage" Perry at August 12, 2011 04:21 PM (nBE5A)

266 We don't have to worry about a President Perry pushing amnesty after the border is secure, because there is no chance in hell that Perry, who opposes both the fence and E-Verify, would ever secure the border.

Posted by: Jon at August 12, 2011 04:26 PM (Cu7Ii)

267 I think the first step in finding the solutions is admitting we have a
problemand admitting that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

Up until now, I thought that Perry was worth considering. But I think he stepped on his dick with this comment. At the time, running for the Precedent may have been the furthest thing from his mind, but the press is going to dredge up every comment they find, back to when young Rick maybe suggested 'playing doctor' with the girl next door.

He's gonna have to backtrack on that or find some 'middle ground' between 'Ponzi scheme' and 'unconscionable level of IOU's' when referring to SS.

I don't want to get into some flame war with someone half my age -- and I won't. SS sucks, but it's the only solution that can work. I was an employer for three decades and tried to find an alternative. Defined benefit? Tried it and got screwed -- half the company profit went into that scheme, then got entirely swallowed up in commissions. Fuck those pricks who think they're worth half of my companies profits then sell me stock in some friends pie-in-the-sky scheme. Figured that out in less time then just about every state and municipality in this country. Sure, there are abundance of Tom, Dick, and Harry's guaranteeing all sorts of wondrous retirement plans. Will they work for 1% -- which is the cost of the overhead with SS? I don't just doubt it, I know it. I can't even buy a basic commodity like auto insurance without paying 2% -- which anyone with basic math skills can tell you is double 1%.

I hate when Republicans step into the quicksand of SS. They get their asses kicked by the voters every time.

Posted by: The Precedent at August 12, 2011 05:11 PM (IhHdM)

268 It's my Rick Perry Party and I'll fap if I want to.
Fap if I want to.

Posted by: sifty, son of LiberTea at August 12, 2011 05:29 PM (ECjvn)

269 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

Posted by: The Hare with Amber Eyes AudioBook at August 12, 2011 07:40 PM (8Dm6R)

270 Hey, I can "envision a path" too - it's long and twisty, and it starts right behind the LEGAL immigrants.

Posted by: mojo at August 12, 2011 08:47 PM (D6Uk6)

271 But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

I'm fine with that... but relaize what I read was functionally equivalent to:

If women start finding socially awkward balding middle-age men physically (and not just financially) attractive; then we're going to increase your taxes 20%.

There is no possible way the government will "accomplish" border security. It's a joke to claim they might. If I'm going so far as to "envisioning" that as being possible, than I can "envision" a lot of things. Like Christina Hendricks hunting me down because she finds my blog comments irresistible.
** Ace, if she asks, give her my e-mail addy.

If you can get the first clause done; I'll accept the second part of that deal... but only because I really do want the first part and think you have no chance of success.

And I'm not going to be refreshing my e-mail like pressing F5 is giving me money... not going to happen.

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Posted by: ladiono at August 12, 2011 11:28 PM (wyHSS)

274
259 "Texas record of job creation has more to do with profits from the oil industry, a growing military and receiving aid from the Recovery Act", according to David Axelrod.

I think not:
http://tinyurl.com/453xqep

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at August 12, 2011 11:56 PM (xeVap)

275 Actually, why would profits in the oil industry lead to jobs in Texas? We're making about as much oil as ever, except for the disgraceful defacto offshore drilling ban, which killed jobs.

In many ways, Texas should be having very hard years. Worst drought in state history. Fires. EPA and FEMA BS. Fast and Furious. Rest of the country in a depression if you exclude Texas from it. Mexico is a hellhole.

Yet Texas is doing OK. The idea we just lucked into it is BS.

Sure, Perry did not direct us to jobs. That's because that doesn't work. Having a government get out of the way, with stable, predictable regulation. is the way to let capital flow, hopefully to jobs. Make a guy think he has a chance to make a profit if he hires some folks.

All Perry did was administrate with minimal drama. And cut spending. And work with others to balance the budget.

The jobs pretty much take care of themselves. We're a rich, rich country, so it's shameful that the federal government intrudes so much that the jobs go away. Axelrod had it perfectly ass-backwards about how credit for jobs works. Let he and Obama even try to match Perry's record.

Posted by: Dustin at August 13, 2011 05:21 AM (519+h)

276 The problem is that all economics is a ponzi scheme. Assets only increase in value as they are exchanged in the marketplace. Those exchanges take place based upon the belief that the next guy will pay more for the asset than you did. As soon as that belief disappears, the asset loses value and the debt secured by that asset becomes under-collateralized.

This ponzi scheme asset valuation results in speculative bubbles which always eventually collapse under their own weight. You honestly can't have a 3 bedroom house in the suburbs that costs $8 million. An asset's "intrinsic value" - that is, its value as determined by its intended use (houses as shelter, oil as fuel, food as food, etc) is like gravity. Speculation is like a rocketship. As long as the rocket motor is fueled by greater and greater speculation, the rocket continues to rise, but once that fuel is spent, it always falls back to earth.

As the rocketship gets closer to spending its fuel, banks get nervous that they have lent money on collateral which may lose it's value. To cover their risk (and maintain their ROI), they create riskier and riskier "fictional assets" (derivatives). Once the original asset's value begins to fall, the whole house of cards collapses. It is not easy to stop either - just try stopping a meteor headed for earth. The only time it finally stops and stabilizes is when it hits the earth (intrinsic value) and then the whole game begins again.

This is the nature of capitalism - it is HOW and WHY it works.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 13, 2011 07:35 AM (uVlA4)

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