$10 Million of Your "Stimulus" Money Went to... Arming Mexican Gangsters Via Project Gunrunner?

Woody Allen had a joke in Sleeper about the NRA. Called to explain what the NRA was to an oblivious girl from the far future, Allen said, "The NRA used to help criminals get guns so they could, you know, shoot citizens. Kind of a public service."

I always thought that was a good joke, even if, politically, I didn't agree with it.

But we can now explain the Stimulus to future generations, too.

Posted by: Ace at 08:30 PM



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1 Who am I and why is there a bus speeding toward me?

Posted by: Eric Holder at July 07, 2011 08:31 PM (b8JnP)

2 No,actually that is a bad,stupid joke.

Posted by: steevy at July 07, 2011 08:31 PM (O9hj7)

3 What else was in that piece of shit legislation?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 07, 2011 08:32 PM (7utQ2)

4 I want Holder's scalp(and I think it's a done deal he is gone in some way).The next guy(or gal,or transexual etc) will be just as bad if not worse.

Posted by: steevy at July 07, 2011 08:33 PM (O9hj7)

5 holy shit....

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 07, 2011 08:33 PM (d1FhN)

6 Guns!
For all of our undocumented guests!

Posted by: President Mr. Roarke at July 07, 2011 08:34 PM (IocRZ)

7 ... you thought that was a good joke? No wonder you like Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 07, 2011 08:35 PM (r4wIV)

8 DUH

#RUNNING!!!!!

Posted by: sifty at July 07, 2011 08:35 PM (gYuf3)

9 Because nothing gets them out of the shadows like good old fashioned gun ownership!

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2011 08:35 PM (IocRZ)

10 OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 07, 2011 08:36 PM (eOXTH)

11 ... you thought that was a good joke?

He's been watching SNL since he was 5!

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2011 08:36 PM (IocRZ)

12 What a waste. That could have bought internets for 1.3 households in Montana.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 07, 2011 08:36 PM (0vDuM)

13 Mental exercise....NYT headline had this happened under Bush:

Bush OKs $10 Million to Kill ICE Agents

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 07, 2011 08:37 PM (7utQ2)

14 A man a plan a clusterfuck Holder

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2011 08:38 PM (IocRZ)

15 14 IMPEACH BUSH!!

Posted by: steevy at July 07, 2011 08:39 PM (O9hj7)

16 But the Border Agent that was killed was not allowed a lethal weapon.....he had some kind of bean shooter.

Posted by: Cheri at July 07, 2011 08:39 PM (BA8k3)

17 I wonder how many are in Shabbazz Shanizzle's NBP arsenal for next November?

Posted by: KZnextzone at July 07, 2011 08:40 PM (ZUWaD)

18 ...he had some kind of bean shooter.
Posted by: Cheri at July 07, 2011 08:39 PM
Not going there.....not going to swing at that pinata.....Too easy.

Posted by: KZnextzone at July 07, 2011 08:41 PM (ZUWaD)

19 Ha KZ....hadn't thought of that

Posted by: Cheri at July 07, 2011 08:42 PM (BA8k3)

20 I certainly hope that Steadman stays away from Ft. Marcy Park.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 07, 2011 08:43 PM (yQWNf)

21
Yeesh, ace.
There are funny Woody Allen bits. That isn't one of them. It purports to show a contradiction, but it doesn't even exist in this case. When has the NRA as a criminal aid society ever been part of the zeitgeist? What an unfunny stretch.

I used to do a monologue in high schoolbased on Woody Allen's The Whore of Mensa.
Now that was some funny stuff.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff also holds grudges at July 07, 2011 08:43 PM (lGFXF)

22 Very, very interesting. It should certainly be easy enough to get the people that sponsored the original bill - HR 495 - to give up all the details of where they got the info on the project and who was trying to get it funded.

Posted by: deadrody at July 07, 2011 08:44 PM (GJhuj)

23 Drama Club RINO.

Posted by: sifty at July 07, 2011 08:44 PM (gYuf3)

24 I can't afford a new Kimber 1911, Mr. Holder. If I promise to deal drugs can I have some money to buy it?


Posted by: sifty at July 07, 2011 08:46 PM (gYuf3)

25
sifty,
I choose not to respond to your insults.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff is watching sifty through a 10-power scope at July 07, 2011 08:47 PM (lGFXF)

26 I brought this up before and I still say it is valid. I have heard the explanations for how this program was suppose to work and its purpose. It doesn't make any sense. At all. Through an informant, they were supposed to track these guns into Mexico, yada, yada. That is so much bullshit. Hundreds, maybe thousands of guns and through an informant they were going to track these guns. Even if everything they have said about the program worked perfectly and Superman and Capt. America were part of the program, they wouldn't have been able to track all of the guns until they had been used to kill people. Bottom line is that the stated purpose of this program was not the real purpose of the program. This isn't original but in my opinion the purpose of this program was to kill people. To have so many people killed by guns that would have been tracked back to gun sales in the U.S. that would have caused such an uproar that politicians would have jumped at the chance to clamp down on gun ownership.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 07, 2011 08:50 PM (jx2j9)

27 Jeff, you know I love ya. *waves*

Make it quick. It's my turn to cook tonight.

Posted by: sifty at July 07, 2011 08:51 PM (gYuf3)

28 Some US congressperson knew about this and
specifically included it in the bill. That person needs to be
identified by Pelosi, Reid or Obama.

And wasn't this one of those smoke-filled room crafted bills where the potential pool of conspirants would be limited?

Posted by: f2000 at July 07, 2011 08:51 PM (FcMtg)

29 If Holder goes, the next in line is likely James Cole. Now, Mr. Cole was a recess appointment in Dec. since the Senate wouldn't let his nomination through as Deputy AG. Also, he was one of three peeps allowed to be confirmed so that Melson would be permitted to testify b4 Issa Co. (which he did anyhow with his own lawyer as was heavily reported).

Cole has numerous skeletons in his closet. At a minimum, he would become acting AG until a new AG could be nominated/confirmed (I admit this is conjecture on my part).

Still, I would wave happily at Mr. Holder as the door at the DOJ firmly slammed into his ass on the way out forever.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 07, 2011 08:54 PM (ENKCw)

30 #18 "I wonder how many are in Shabbazz Shanizzle's NBP arsenal for next November?"

not enough.
at least not enough for what they might want to do if they have them...

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 07, 2011 08:56 PM (d1FhN)

31 No wonder you like Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Tonight. You.
ATHF is a textbook of comic timing, and Woody Allen's jokes are the worst shit in the world.
"Take my wife... Oh I forgot I don't have one because I look too intellectual. OH NO I'VE SUDDENLY MISPLACED MY INTELLECTUAL-LOOKING GLASSES! This reminds me of the time I had a dream I was at temple and I couldn't read the big Torah there with the...bigness? You know the one? I couldn't see it because I lost my glasses somehow and then I suddenly found them somehow, grace of God—the Torah was all naked ladies. THAT'S A KAFKA REFERENCE. HE WAS A JEWISH INTELLECTUAL LIKE ME. You know Kafka? No? Are you Jewish? You remind me of the bug in the story. Because you have a wife! I remind myself of the rest of the story. Have you read it? It's called In the Penal Colony. Tough crowd!"

Posted by: oblig. at July 07, 2011 08:57 PM (xvZW9)

32 It's a horrible joke, because it injects something that was never there as the comparison point for the humor.

It's like a racist who gets his stereotypes mixed up and calls Eskimos "ricers" and talks about Bushmen and how all they eat is whale blubber.

Most comedy at least stretches the truth, but when you turn it on its head it's not funny, just a lie.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 07, 2011 08:58 PM (bxiXv)

33 This isn't original but in my opinion the purpose
of this program was to kill people. To have so many people killed by
guns that would have been tracked back to gun sales in the U.S. that
would have caused such an uproar that politicians would have jumped at
the chance to clamp down on gun ownership.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 07, 2011 08:50 PM

Yes, but, the Precedent must get involved when the state of Texas schedules the legal execution of a rapist and murderer from Mexico because it might cause irreparable harm.

Posted by: huerfano at July 07, 2011 08:59 PM (4/YjD)

34 Orange. Jumpsuits.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 07, 2011 09:00 PM (bxiXv)

35 If congress is able to pull the thread on this program and is able to unravel it back to its source, I think we will find out what Obama meant when he told Mrs. Brady that "I
just want you to know that we are working on it," Barack Obama
reportedly told Sarah Brady regarding gun control. "We have to go
through a few processes, but under the radar."

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 07, 2011 09:00 PM (jx2j9)

36 The Mexico gunwalker program is not the only one of it's kind. Seems the ATF in FL was doing the same with Honduras.
Is there anyone in this administration that is not a damn criminal?

Posted by: Steph at July 07, 2011 09:01 PM (gt92/)

37 #Hacked!

Posted by: eric holder at July 07, 2011 09:02 PM (GTbGH)

38 Mexico: Say, President Foreskininthegame, you know that Fast and Furious thing is really heating up over there in the press.

Obama: Yeah. I'd appreciate it if your people wouldn't talk to the press.

Mexico: You know, we still have that truck thing pending, and the raping murdering guy thing in Texas. You get to work on those and then maybe we'll see if we can keep quiet about Fast and Furious.


Posted by: sifty at July 07, 2011 09:04 PM (gYuf3)

39
Is there anyone in this administration that is not a damn criminal? Posted by: Steph at July 07, 2011 09:01 PM (gt92/)
Oh, wait, I know this one, ummm, gimme a minute, gimme a minute... errr... wait, I know the answer, it's on the tip of my tongue, ahhhh..Oh! Got it!*ahem*"No."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 07, 2011 09:05 PM (bxiXv)

40 Yes, but, the Precedent must get involved when the
state of Texas schedules the legal execution of a rapist and murderer
from Mexico because it might cause irreparable harm.


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The Mexican government obviously doesn't give a shit how
many Mexicans are killed, they just want to create the scandals so the illegal
super highway remains open into this country.
By raising a stink about this and the states’ immigration laws and all
of the myriad of other ways this country makes illegal actually mean… illegal,
communities and governments in this country will be cowed into treating all
illegals with kid gloves where virtually nothing they do here is illegal.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 07, 2011 09:07 PM (jx2j9)

41 There is no rational explanation for the actions of the ATF, DEA, FBI, etc. here. None, Nada, Zilch. No drug cartel supplier is going to come to the US when he can full auto weapons, grenades, and such from corrupt military sources cheaper and easier. If the ATF forced the gun dealers to release full auto weapons so that they could walk, there is even more violation of Federal law (not that that counts for much with EH at DoJ. No US entity has enforcement authority within Old Mexico, so that aspect of the story is indefensible as well.
Where are the special prosecutors when you really need them?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 07, 2011 09:08 PM (yrGif)

42 Oh effing hell. Will y'all lay off the full auto shit? They weren't machineguns.

As if slaughtering Mexicans and Americans so they can make an "omelet" isn't bad enough.

Why don't you just throw a rhinoceros and a couple of alligators in there for good measure?

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Holder is gone, Lanny and people further up the chain are likely toast, maybe even the (P)resident.

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That means no one in the bureaucracy had a chance to plan "Operation Gunrunner". There was no time,
(8 days!) and nobody home. And an operation like this takes more than 8 days to plan and put it in the bill. That means it had to be planned before Obama took office and it could only come from Obama, his inner circle, and key Democrats close to the President. While everyone else was focused on the horrible state of the economy, Obama and his minions were planning Gunrunner. It had to be a top priority. Way to focus like a laser beam!

The whole thing reeks of massive COORDINATION. The 90% claim of guns being sold to Mexico first came from Feinstein and Durbin March 17, then Hilary, March 26, then Napalitano , then Obama April 17, then the Mexican ambassador. All got the same dishonest memo " from ATF". Bullcrap. I'll bet there never was that memo. It was all made up and planned way in advance.

Take them all down.

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61 Curiously, or maybe not, cBS which actually broke the story has been silent. I guess they got a call from somebody. That said, IIRC, the stimulus bill was passed over strenuous objections by the Republicans. I do hope that the Democrats that voted for it find it to be a campaign issue in 2012. Much like the Viagra for sex offenders in the healthcare bullshit bill. Maybe next time, in the words of the Botoxed scrunt, they will know "what's in it" before they vote for it. Assholes. The lot of them.

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Last week, our administration launched a major new effort
to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new
ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to
supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new
positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the
FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and
extortion. (Italics mine)



But once the whole thing got crazy, and “Fast and Furious” left
Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry dead, Holder and others in the Justice
Department went from boasting about such projects to pressuring people
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The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat