Kia Motors: Our New Cars Are As Hot As Sex With Very Young Children!

Award-winning ad.

Posted by: Ace at 05:11 PM



Comments

1 I need that last girl's number

Posted by: Roman Polaski at June 25, 2011 05:15 PM (M9Ie6)

2 Eh?

You do see the tag line, right? A different temperature on each side?

It is beyond a stretch to claim that ad is about pedophilia.

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 25, 2011 05:16 PM (H0dXA)

3 In before the Roma... oh, shoot!

Posted by: Papa Editor at June 25, 2011 05:18 PM (FZZ94)

4 is that a joke?

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:19 PM (nj1bB)

5 I've seen enough hentai to know where this ad campaign is going.

Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:20 PM (BARAe)

6 It is beyond a stretch to claim that ad is about pedophilia.

It's fuckin' creepy.

Would you want the people responsible for the ad babysitting your daughter?

Posted by: fluffy at June 25, 2011 05:22 PM (4Kl5M)

7 No.

It's a juxtaposition of innocence and erotica.

They could have printed a page that was blue on one side and red on the other to make the same point, but would be very much less interesting.

What, you want me to think that the teacher wants to boink the little girl, the advertisers want that to be the message I take away from it, and it is going to help them sell cars?

Either I'm really underestimating the pedophile market share in America, or you are misconstruing the ad.

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 25, 2011 05:22 PM (H0dXA)

8 Oh yeah, Honey Badger. On inference at all. Really, how does one get so retarded? Lots of Loctite?

Posted by: Papa Editor at June 25, 2011 05:23 PM (FZZ94)

9 Just how is this supposed to sell a car?I may be a moron but come on!

Posted by: PugBoo at June 25, 2011 05:23 PM (20jXV)

10 Complete crap though they are, the ads don't have anything to do with pedophilia. That's the kind of irrational, emotive stupidity we've come to expect from lefties.

Posted by: Abe Froman at June 25, 2011 05:24 PM (uZJOg)

11 This ad equates the two halves as being the same and both halves being fine. Only a matter of perception.

It's bad.

Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:24 PM (BARAe)

12 For some reason I just bought 2 KIAs.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 25, 2011 05:24 PM (1fB+3)

13 They're not trying to sell more cars, necessarily. Either they are playing out their fantasies at work or they want to sell cars to the right people. That being the types of people they want validation from. Also known as sickos.

Posted by: Papa Editor at June 25, 2011 05:25 PM (FZZ94)

14 The Kia Sedona sounds like a good car to me.

Posted by: Scott Ritter at June 25, 2011 05:26 PM (44nl/)

15 Just how is this supposed to sell a car?

Roman Polanski just bought a bakers dozen

Posted by: kj at June 25, 2011 05:26 PM (Q1Okj)

16 yeah, just two versions of the same reality, one which involves a man and an innocent little girl, the other involves him having sex with a hot n tarty version of that little girl.

Oh, and the other one involves two little kids, innocent in one, porno tongue-kissing and having sex in the other, but no, no pedophilia taboo here.

Just some cute cartoons about kids fucking, that's all.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:26 PM (nj1bB)

17 can haz twitter joke?

Posted by: ThirtyAndSeven at June 25, 2011 05:27 PM (HnNEe)

18 9
Just how is this supposed to sell a car?

It's not. It's supposed to win an award from a bunch of ad-industry/artsy assholes for being edgy, etc., and establish the agency that produced it as being "Hot."

Posted by: Josef K. at June 25, 2011 05:27 PM (7+pP9)

19 Left of the Dial

Posted by: the Replacements at June 25, 2011 05:27 PM (44nl/)

20 Having some experience in advertising, I can tell you an agency can submit an ad to an award show under many guises. The client doesn't have to have approved the ad; it is important to know the precise representation made by the agency when they submitted the ad.

It could be an ad that never even went to the client. The fact that it is in English is odd, unless it's common to run English magazine ads in Brazil which is unlikely. On the other hand the art used clearly suggests someone hired an illustrator for this specific concept. That is, this just wasn't an outtake from a wider job with a fresh headline and set of copy.

Someone spent money putting this together, which argues someone took it seriously, whether the creative director or the client.

At any rate I can tell you, you have no idea what passes for "clever" inside American advertising agencies. It is no surprise advertising is an industry dominated by very hardcore liberals.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:28 PM (AZGON)

21 The problem is you have these (forgive the term) Art Fags who have not pursued actual capital-A arts but instead got well-paying air-conditioned-office corporate gigs but half of their friends are doing "outrageous art" and getting praised for it (and paid dick, but never mind) and they're all butthurt and jealous about that so they do a capital-A Art of Outrage ad for a client and of course all their colleagues, who vote on the committees that give out awards, are also feeling bad that they're corporate tools so they lavish praise on the Art of Outrage done on behalf of a client.

Oh, and somewhere along the line the Art Fags in the client's PR/communications firm also get the idea they should do Art of Outrage stuff too so they convince their superiors (who should know better) that it's edgy and awesome and stuff.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (nj1bB)

22 Would Darren Stevens have produced these ads?

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (M9Ie6)

23 The Kia Sedona Sodomi sounds like a good car to me.

Posted by: Jock Sturges at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (AZGON)

24 I could have created a sexy ad without needing to be a borderline kiddie perv. Just take a librarian. One all prim and proper strictly business on one side. And on the other barely contained by her clothes looking like she's ready for you to take her between the rows.
Same principle and yet I'm not going to get a "Roman Polanski Approved" sticker on it.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (oVQFe)

25 After thorough investigation I declare these ads innocuous.

Posted by: Peter Townsend at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (1fB+3)

26 So Kia isn't offering a N.A.M.B.L.A. Edition?

Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (44nl/)

27 Some people told us that Absolut really didn't mean to move the border of Mexico up so far in their ads too.


Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (BARAe)

28 So now it's beat-up vans and Kias, instead of just beat-up vans?

I am looking forward to changing my creep jokes to being about someone waving a bag of candy out of the window of a Kia Sedona parked outside a grade school.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (bxiXv)

29 PS Is the video on the front page *supposed* to be Dexy's Midnight Runners and I just don't get the joke?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:32 PM (bxiXv)

30 The client doesn't have to have approved the ad; it is important to
know the precise representation made by the agency when they submitted
the ad.

If I was the CEO of KIA and I saw those ads I would fire that agency and hire another one whether they sent it to me or not. I would also consider legal action.

They used my firm's name of the trash.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 05:32 PM (M9Ie6)

31 I just don't see the "kids fucking" bit.

It appears to me to be two situations of the same event, one naughty, one nice. I would never have made the connection that the naughty version was supposed to be a *wink wink nod* to the idea that the nice version of the people were fucking.

But I did see it come from a Brazilian ad company, so fuck if I know.

And, honestly, I don't give a shit.

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 25, 2011 05:33 PM (H0dXA)

32 so they do a capital-A Art of Outrage ad for a client and of course all their colleagues, who vote on the committees that give out awards, are also feeling bad that they're corporate tools so they lavish praise on the Art of Outrage done on behalf of a client.

You have no idea how true this is in advertising agencies. No idea.

The ultimate feather-in-the-cap is getting an outrageous ad produced.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:33 PM (AZGON)

33 "edgy" =/= praiseworthy

but alas the current arts are captured by a claque of imbeciles which largely believes edgy = praiseworthy.

Edgy can be praiseworthy, sure. But not "edgy" for its own sake.

What do we have here? We have a cartoon drawing next to a realistic cartoon drawing of people having sex.

What is it that makes this noteworthy? There are comic books that feature nothing but explicit sexuality.

The only thing that makes this of note is that someone conned his deep-pocked boss or client to produce this for someone else's personal benefit (that is, getting an award).

The art is not being rewarded, but the brazenness/subversion of duping a client into running pedo cartoons.


Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:34 PM (nj1bB)

34 20 Having some experience in advertising, I can tell you an agency can submit an ad to an award show under many guises. The client doesn't have to have approved the ad; it is important to know the precise representation made by the agency when they submitted the ad.
They were talking about this on Redeye last night, and one of the guys there said something about ads in this contest needing to be "something" I don't remember what word he used, but to me it didn't sound like this was for theoretical ads meant for nothing more than for getting an award.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 05:34 PM (oVQFe)

35 Haha, no I mean don't read ANYTHING into the juxtaposition of children and sex. That's all in YOUR mind, you pervert.

Posted by: Honey Bugger at June 25, 2011 05:34 PM (lT0LC)

36 If I was the CEO of KIA and I saw those ads I would
fire that agency and hire another one whether they sent it to me or not.
I would also consider legal action.They used my firm's name of the trash.

Posted by: Vic

The Kia spokeshole said the agency has nothing to do with Kia. If they're telling the truth, there is no one to fire.

This reminds me of an ad that was submitted for an award depicting Manhattan underwater or some such eco-fanatasy. The company whose logo was used in the ad never commissioned it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 05:36 PM (qaU+h)

37 Bet ya the artist would also tell us that Piss Christ had nothing to do with piss or Christ.

We're all just too stupid to understand.

And we don't wear vintage jackets.

Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:37 PM (BARAe)

38 Yeah, honey bugger, that's exactly what I thought at first.

As degraded as I am, I didn't think KIDS ARE FUCKING!!!! when I saw that.

Stupid me. Should have been the FIRST FUCKING THING I thought of. In fact, there are some pretty scandalous clouds that look suspiciously like they are engaged in a threesome of one hobo, a dwarf, and a two year old. 'Cause that's what I see when I look at clouds.

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 25, 2011 05:38 PM (H0dXA)

39 They were talking about this on Redeye last night, and one of the guys there said something about ads in this contest needing to be "something" I don't remember what word he used, but to me it didn't sound like this was for theoretical ads meant for nothing more than for getting an award.

Yes, that is why we need to know the precise rules for entry into Cannes in this instance, and what the agency said when they submitted it.

Usually you include the creative director's name, the art director, the copywriter, the photographer/artist, the name of the campaign, the client, etc.

There are speculative ads, and if this really was just a "proof of concept" it should be easy to find out. Like I said, real time was spent on this art. It took days to produce.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:39 PM (AZGON)

40 I showed this ad to older daughter (2 kids) and she was appalled. She wondered what kind of asshole--those WERE her words--would create something like this. So for curiosity wife got a look, and reacted the same way.
Don't think Kia is gonna air this mess here, I'll bet upper management kills the thing.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 25, 2011 05:39 PM (ud5dN)

41 Doing risque art to make a point should have it's limits.

That said, I don't see...er, ok now I do.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:40 PM (hZs9Q)

42 I just don't see the "kids f******g" bit.

Wow, how edgy you are. Either that or a complete tool. I pick B.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 05:40 PM (6TB1Z)

43 Well if you follow the Patterico links,

The rules of the Cannes festival are clear: Ads must have been made for clients and run as part of normal campaigns paid for by client media budgets. This is a the second recent occasion in which a Brazilian ad agency has been caught entering an ad at Cannes that was not fully approved by a client.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:40 PM (AZGON)

44 The Kia spokeshole said the agency has nothing to do with Kia. If they're telling the truth, there is no one to fire.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 05:36 PM (qaU+h)
Eh, I may have to hold of on the candy-waving Kia owner jokes for a bit, then.Take all the fun out of it...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:40 PM (bxiXv)

45 The Kia spokeshole said the agency has nothing to do with Kia. If they're telling the truth, there is no one to fire.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 05:36 PM (qaU+h)

Yeah, they denied an ad made by a Brazilian agency and submitted to a European contest was commissioned by Kia Motors of America, and then said it doesn't reflect the opinions of Kia Motors of America or Kia Motor Company. Hmmmmm. Nope, no obfuscation there.

Posted by: Honey Bugger at June 25, 2011 05:41 PM (lT0LC)

46 Piss Christ had nothing to do with piss or Christ.

We're all just too stupid to understand.

And we don't wear vintage jackets.
Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:37 PM (BARAe)

It had to deal with driving up Andre Serrano's sales through shock and press.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:41 PM (hZs9Q)

47 Brazil is the country of the future, and always will be.

It isn't hard to figure out why.

Posted by: Charles de Gaulle at June 25, 2011 05:42 PM (6TB1Z)

48 sorry for the term "art fag." It was poorly chosen. I'm slurring artists and I think artists are pretty cool.

I was trying to convey a particular type of Art School Dweeb with this formulation. The cargo cult jackass type, the one who notices that much of the important art he learned about was shocking at the time, and ergo just goes into default mode of "shock!" when he wants to make a Statement.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:43 PM (nj1bB)

49 Here you go

Creative Credits
Chief Creative Officer: Rodolfo Sampaio
Executive Creative Director: Rodolfo Sampaio
Creative Director: Rodolfo Sampaio
Art Director: Marco Martins
Copywriter: Adriano Matos
Advertiser's Supervisor: Christiane Baptista
Account Manager: Marco Piza
Illustrator: Quanta Estudio

from Cannes Awards website

looks pretty normal; that is, it was meant to be taken as a real ad. So either the agency in Brazil, MOMA Propaganda, just lied to Cannes or Kia is lying. I say MOMA is lying.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:43 PM (AZGON)

50 #47
Brazil is the future.
We will all have moms whose faces get stretched out at odd angles.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:43 PM (hZs9Q)

51 This is a the second recent occasion in which a
Brazilian ad agency has been caught entering an ad at Cannes that was
not fully approved by a client.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:40 PM (AZGON)
Rules are for Norte Americanos!(Yes, I know they speak Portuguese in Brazil. Shut up.)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:43 PM (bxiXv)

52 >>>I just don't see the "kids f*cking" bit.

I just don't see how you don't see it.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:44 PM (nj1bB)

53 The Kia spokeshole said the agency has nothing to do with Kia. If they're telling the truth, there is no one to fire.

You know, repudiation and renunciation and establishment of innocence just isn't that hard if you mean it. Plain English will do quite nicely.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 05:44 PM (6TB1Z)

54 We're supposed to know the naughty side is just a couple role-playing, right? It's not actually a teacher and a 16 year old Sophomore. Ok good.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 25, 2011 05:44 PM (y/+eD)

55 Totally worth a look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_School_Confidential_(comics)

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:45 PM (AZGON)

56 Fuck it all. If I had only known that giving an apple to a teacher as a kid would make me grow up to be a hot, sexy teenager, I'd have given them all a peck of freaking apples.

Now I know why I'm such a frumpy woman. I gave my teachers squash

Posted by: momma at June 25, 2011 05:45 PM (nWikJ)

57 yeah I saw the film Art School Confidential.

It wasn't a good movie but I think that's what I meant.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:45 PM (nj1bB)

58 just goes into default mode of "shock!" when he wants to make a Statement.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:43 PM (nj1bB)
It weakens the field tremendously.
There are those who use risque images effectively (Hans Haacke, John Currin) but they are few and far between.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:45 PM (hZs9Q)

59 It's a juxtaposition of innocence and erotica.

Yeah, but there are other ways to portray innocence (woman dressed in pant suit one side, sexy lingerie on the other for instance), using children in this instance is pretty fucked up.

Posted by: booger at June 25, 2011 05:46 PM (9RFH1)

60 No, not the movie... I actually meant the comic itself by Dan Clowes. If you ever went to art school, you would find it a howl.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:47 PM (AZGON)

61 >>>The Kia spokeshole said the agency has nothing to do with Kia. If they're telling the truth, there is no one to fire.

Read Worthing's parsing of the statement. They say Kia *America* had nothing to do with the ad, and parent company Kia Motors does not endorse it.

That seems to include the possibility that Kia Motors had something to do with the ad... but now doesn't "endorse" it.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:47 PM (nj1bB)

62 Ace, please, the preferred nomenclature is "beret-sporting cocksucker".

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at June 25, 2011 05:47 PM (BARAe)

63 You know, repudiation and renunciation and
establishment of innocence just isn't that hard if you mean it. Plain
English will do quite nicely. Posted by: pep
Oddly enough, plain English is a foreign language in Marketing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 05:48 PM (qaU+h)

64 I took an art class in college, the teacher was on the "shock" bandwagon, and emphasized the shock value of art so heavily they could be taken to say that shock was *more* important than anything else about art.

Naturally, the vast majority of what the students produced was crap.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:48 PM (bxiXv)

65 This is no different than the corporate whores at Abercrombie and Fitch using kiddie porn to market clothing to teens. I told my kids early on that no product of theirs would ever enter my house. I guess there are enough "parents" who feel differently, since they are still using that approach. My kids, now a bit older, acknowledge that I was right.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 05:49 PM (6TB1Z)

66 I took an art class in college, the teacher was on the "shock" bandwagon, and emphasized the shock value of art so heavily

Yeah, that's like the comedians who rely heavily on swearing and obscenity. It gets old very, very quickly.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:49 PM (AZGON)

67 Just for the sake of getting my head handed to me:
Look at the first one from the perspective of the little girl having a crush on the teacher. And yes, as sexually charged as our society has become, a girl that young could be having those fantasies.
The second one, the left panel is kids playing make believe. The right panel is two adults playing fantasy games.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (56hk3)

68 It isn't like there's a huge problem with teachers having sex with their students . . .


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Posted by: momma at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (nWikJ)

69 sorry for the term "art fag."
SLAUGHTERAMA

Posted by: GWAR! at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (44nl/)

70 Creepy. That is all.
(I think I'll stick to cac's busty babe art.)

Was hoping for a movie review to put this on, but I'll say it here...
I read the Peter Falk thread from yesterday and was pleased to find someone else who thinks Made is an underrated flick. I've had that argument before with different folks.
The problem is, people were expecting Swingers part 2. Made was good in its own right though, just didn't rise to the level of Swingers/Vaughn was a bumbler and not cool/role reversal.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 25, 2011 05:51 PM (YMyd2)

71 It wasn't a good movie but I think that's what I meant.
Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 05:45 PM (nj1bB
This scene though, brilliant.
I will say the college I went to had a professor who didn't take excuses for anything, especially bad abstraction. Very on the ass of anyone trying to bullshit their bad art away.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:51 PM (hZs9Q)

72 Oh great. I just bought a Kia 2yrs ago and now I'm creeped out by this ad.

Posted by: Thomas at June 25, 2011 05:51 PM (6nGv9)

73 Read Worthing's parsing of the statement. They say
Kia *America* had nothing to do with the ad, and parent company Kia
Motors does not endorse it.



That seems to include the possibility that Kia Motors had something to do with the ad... but now doesn't "endorse" it.





Posted by: ace

Again, as Geo. Orwell noted, this isn't the first case that a Brazilian ad agency was found submitting ads for an award with the named company supposedly unaware. The PR hack is just that; a hack.



Think about it; has Kia ever been known for any advertising campaign? Can you name one Kia ad ever?

The copy and art are risible, but the bogosity level is high.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 05:52 PM (qaU+h)

74 Look at the first one from the perspective of the little girl having a crush on the teacher. Your point is correct, but ... a girl that young could be having those fantasies.

Of course, but that doesn't mean that society should de facto mainstream it by putting it in advertising, which whatever else it is, is supposed to reflect the values of the society to which it wishes to sell a product.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 05:53 PM (6TB1Z)

75 Asian culture - esp. in Japan - is rife with a type of anime that often explicity depicts older men having sex with young girls. In a culture so awash with manga depicting such things, a person immersed in it wouldn't see how an 'outsider' would view this.

Posted by: manofaiki at June 25, 2011 05:54 PM (1TZgg)

76 5 I've seen enough hentai to know where this ad campaign is going.
________
Tentacles?

Posted by: Anachronda at June 25, 2011 05:55 PM (6fER6)

77 Read Worthing's parsing of the statement. They say Kia *America* had nothing to do with the ad, and parent company Kia Motors does not endorse it.

That seems to include the possibility that Kia Motors had something to do with the ad... but now doesn't "endorse" it.

To be fair, it is entirely possible MOMA went ahead and produced the ad either before or after Kia had actually seen it. Kia probably said "are you out of your sunburned minds?" So Kia can't necessarily say they were fully unaware of the ad if it made it through a meeting. Remember, someone had to hire that illustrator, which means real money. I suspect the AD and writer were sooo in lurv with their pervy idea they thought they could slip in into Cannes and not get caught.

Of course they could have suckered this illustrator into working for squat. "Do this for us free and we'll hire you later for real money, m'kay?" Advertising agencies are always sniffing for freebies from vendors.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:55 PM (AZGON)

78 67 Just for the sake of getting my head handed to me:

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (56hk3)

Let's avoid any ceremony. (Hands Dan his head.)

Go forth and sin no more!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 25, 2011 05:56 PM (bxiXv)

79 I have heard that 'How to getahead in advertising' was a good movie.
But I really don't like movies, so I never bothered to watch it...

Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2011 05:56 PM (44nl/)

80 On a scale of 1 to 10...

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 05:56 PM (K2wpv)

81 Tentacles?
Posted by: Anachronda at June 25, 2011 05:55 PM (6fER6)
Tentacle-free so far, thank God.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 05:57 PM (hZs9Q)

82 Q: Why do all Kia drivers slow down in elementary school zones?
A: So they can pick out their favorite one!

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 05:57 PM (K2wpv)

83 In a culture so awash with manga depicting such things, a person
immersed in it wouldn't see how an 'outsider' would view this.

My HS age daughter heard my wife describing the rather lame attempts of a 30-something coworker to make time with a comely young 19 year old intern. She described it as creepy. I doubt that any older man looking at young girls as sexual possibilities is so obtuse as to not know that what he is doing is wrong. That isn't to say he cares enough to stop.


Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 05:58 PM (6TB1Z)

84 67 Just for the sake of getting my head handed to me:Look at the first one from the perspective of the little girl having a crush on the teacher. And yes, as sexually charged as our society has become, a girl that young could be having those fantasies.The second one, the left panel is kids playing make believe. The right panel is two adults playing fantasy games.
Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (56hk3)
The problem with your interpretation is that these are not actually set as two separate but similar cartoons on the left and right. Its one cartton with a split view. It is designed to be read left to right and then go down to the next row.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 05:59 PM (oVQFe)

85 Probably a Kia

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 05:59 PM (K2wpv)

86 Some of the Kia ads have been pretty good. The hip-hop hamsters is kind of fun, and the kid's toys that come alive and take a road trip; the cloth monkey and robot in Vegas.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 05:59 PM (AZGON)

87 #86
And that one eyed thing from Yo Gabba Gabba...

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 06:00 PM (hZs9Q)

88 59
It's a juxtaposition of innocence and erotica.

Yeah,
but there are other ways to portray innocence (woman dressed in pant
suit one side, sexy lingerie on the other for instance), using children
in this instance is pretty fucked up.


Posted by: booger at June 25, 2011 05:46 PM (9RFH1)

bs - it isn't a juxtaposition at all. the panels only make sense when read comic book style, not as separate columns, top-to-bottom.This is not juxtaposition, but the deliberate intertwining of the two themes.

Posted by: alexthedude at June 25, 2011 06:00 PM (veQda)

89 Apparently the dual-zone climate control on Kia cars (the feature that the ad is supposed to be selling) can be set to "saccharine" on one side and "pervert" on the other.

The ad agency could have executed the same basic concept much more effectively by having the buttoned-down, businesslike librarian on the left and the taking-off-her-glasses, letting-her-hair-down sexy librarian on the right. That would have clearly contrasted "cool" with "hot" and avoided the icky inferences of statutory rape.

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:01 PM (heFS3)

90 Just out of curiosity, Ace, are you posting all these corporate malfeasance ads just to irritate me personally?

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 06:01 PM (6TB1Z)

91 3 of four pages of Art school confidential here:


http://joshball.com/non-site%20files/clowes/

pretty funny, very angry.

Looking for page 2 but I can't find it.

Posted by: ace at June 25, 2011 06:02 PM (nj1bB)

92 Some of the Kia ads have been pretty good. The
hip-hop hamsters is kind of fun, Posted by: George Orwell

Heh, I had completely forgotten that series. I thought it was a Scion campaign.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 06:02 PM (qaU+h)

93 74 What I'm saying is that our society very nearly IS at that point.

84 I understand what you're thinking, but it look down the center, it looks as though these were torn off of outside edges of facing pages in a magazine, with probably 2 columns of text between the two comic strips. Look at the porportions of the sheets.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:03 PM (56hk3)

94 ...how old are you?

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 06:05 PM (K2wpv)

95 Well they can't make ads with furries cause they ate all the dogs and cats.

Posted by: ASK-21 at June 25, 2011 06:05 PM (th8WQ)

96 Truman, was that question for me?

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:05 PM (56hk3)

97 Just for the sake of getting my head handed to me:
Look
at the first one from the perspective of the little girl having a crush
on the teacher. And yes, as sexually charged as our society has
become, a girl that young could be having those fantasies.
The second one, the left panel is kids playing make believe. The right panel is two adults playing fantasy games.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 05:50 PM (56hk3)

The problem with your interpretation is that these are not actually
set as two separate but similar cartoons on the left and right. Its one
cartton with a split view. It is designed to be read left to right and
then go down to the next row.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 05:59 PM (oVQFe)
To confirm what buzzion says: the ad is for dual-zone climate controls, a feature in the Kia model being advertised. The clear message is that you can take the exact same situation and adjust it so that two different people experience it entirely differently. But instead of "cool" and "hot," they chose "innocent" and "ephebophilic."And the very juxtaposition of innocence and erotica is disturbing: the ad seems to want to associate the two, as though you can reach the right-hand erotic interpretation just by turning a dial or peeling off the veneer from the innocent side.

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:06 PM (heFS3)

98 Two halves of a joke. On a scale of 1-10, how old are you?
It's a pedophile joke.
See, that's "edgy"

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 06:07 PM (K2wpv)

99 Doesn't Kia make coupes?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 06:07 PM (jAKfY)

100 "Look at the first one from the perspective of the little girl having a crush on the teacher."

An 8 year old girl fantasy is Ralph Macchio holding her hand while they roller skate or being smooched by Simon LeBon backstage at a concert. Not "Plow me Ralph!"

I don't have kids, but I can't imagine 8 year old girls thinking this way, even today.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 25, 2011 06:08 PM (y/+eD)

101 Hey, thanks for digging up that Art School Confidential linky, Ace. It's been years since I read that comic and it still holds up. I think I actually have a hard copy around here but I can't remember where.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:08 PM (AZGON)

102 Guess I'm not a pedophile, I don't get the joke.












That WAS a joke

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:08 PM (56hk3)

103 Little girl barely at waist height on one side, highly sexualized young teenage woman on the other side. Nah, I can't see the pedophilia either, you crazy wingnuts. I mean, you think the ad's, like, trying to glamorize banging kids or something! HURF HURF HURF

Posted by: R. Waher at June 25, 2011 06:08 PM (7bCRf)

104 ASC sums up the people you see post-school too. Every one of those stereotypes, I've seen their work in a gallery somewhere, and it doesn't get any less sad.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 06:09 PM (hZs9Q)

105 84 I understand what you're thinking, but it look down the center, it
looks as though these were torn off of outside edges of facing pages in a
magazine, with probably 2 columns of text between the two comic
strips.

I don't think so, look at the very bottom where it says a different temp on each side and Kia, those look like they were meant to be together like that, the pages were probably torn out just to make scanning easier.

Posted by: booger at June 25, 2011 06:10 PM (9RFH1)

106 This is what happens when you're up against a deadline for a corporate client and you turn to an album by The Police as your last-minute inspiration.

Funny, the teacher on the right side doesn't seem to be warning the girl, "Don't stand so close to me...."

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:10 PM (heFS3)

107 Not "Plow me Ralph!"

she might have got that from me, sorry.

Posted by: Alice Kramden at June 25, 2011 06:10 PM (44nl/)

108 Joanie,
I've seen text messages from 9 and 10 year old girls that would make anyone blush.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:11 PM (56hk3)

109 We're not saying you should pick up kids in our car and bang 'em, we're just saying that option is there.

Posted by: KIA Motors at June 25, 2011 06:11 PM (1fB+3)

110 Anyone know where (if anywhere) this was published? I'd like to see it in the actual format intended.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending anyone here.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:12 PM (56hk3)

111 "Mr. Phantasy," the student whose every answer to assignments was a Conan the Barbarian painting.

I actually knew someone like that.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:13 PM (AZGON)

112 Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:11 PM (56hk3)

What's in the bag?

Posted by: Chris Hensen at June 25, 2011 06:13 PM (44nl/)

113 "Joanie,
I've seen text messages from 9 and 10 year old girls that would make anyone blush."

I didn't say dirty things until I was 11. I couldn't handle having daughters. No freakin' way.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 25, 2011 06:13 PM (y/+eD)

114 "I've seen text messages from 9 and 10 year old girls that would make anyone blush."

Except for those 9 and 10 year old girls.

Sadly.

Posted by: Random at June 25, 2011 06:14 PM (HCwMJ)

115 Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:11 PM (56hk3)

Spelled my name wrong...there's some guys outside that might want to have a few words with you.

Posted by: Chris Hansen at June 25, 2011 06:14 PM (44nl/)

116 The way my seven-year-old daughter behaves, I already want to throw her in a convent. And she doesn't even know she's doing it.
I don't think...

Posted by: Truman North at June 25, 2011 06:16 PM (K2wpv)

117 "Mr. Phantasy," the student whose every answer to assignments was a Conan the Barbarian painting. I actually knew someone like that.
Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:13 PM (AZGON)
I knew someone whose entire collection of work was anime-styled depictions of Halo.
Seriously. He was also the only man I know paler than me.
Now works for Disney, I believe, so he's doing better than me.
He sould his soul for some mouse ears and job security, while Istill make the art I want-while slaving awayas a truck dispatcher to pay bills.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 06:16 PM (hZs9Q)

118 Anyone know where (if anywhere) this was published? I'd like to see it in the actual format intended.

Five gets you ten what you saw is what it was. Follow the linky in Patterico's post to get to the Cannes show website It's a print ad, designed for a standard single page. And just as a guess I'll say the ad agency's entry is fraudulent, Kia rejected what they saw, but the agency submitted it anyway in breach of contest rules.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:17 PM (AZGON)

119 He sould his soul for some mouse ears and job security, while Istill make the art I want-while slaving awayas a truck dispatcher to pay bills.

You get to paint actual boobehs...he just draws them.

Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2011 06:17 PM (44nl/)

120 Anyone know where (if anywhere) this was published? I'd like to see it in the actual format intended.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending anyone here.


Posted by: Dastardly Dan at June 25, 2011 06:12 PM (56hk3)
You are seeing it in the actual format intended. The tagline at the bottom shows that the ad spanned the center gutter of the magazine. It is not formatted for the outer column at the edge of one page and the other at the opposite edge of the facing page.Furthermore, that would make no difference. The panels have to be read left-right-left-right-left-right to tell the story in each case.

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:18 PM (heFS3)

121 I knew someone whose entire collection of work was anime-styled depictions of Halo.

You would think the guy could have gone into a digital house that produces games. But then he would probably get assigned to work on Dora the Explorer, and he's back to square one.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:20 PM (AZGON)

122 This particularly disappointing incarnation of "Honey Badger" sounds suspiciously like one of them Douchebag Libertarian "CP is fine as long as the children aren't hurt" apologists I used to debate in another place.

Too many bong hits can turn your brain to jelly, son. You'll end up like The Busey.

Posted by: The Honey Badger King at June 25, 2011 06:21 PM (HKALw)

123 But then he would probably get assigned to work on Dora the Explorer, and he's back to square one.

That sounds like a dream gig!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at June 25, 2011 06:21 PM (44nl/)

124 Hey, CAC, have you ever seen a really fine black and white illlustration of a whole mess of Disney characters, all doing perverted things? It was so well done it had to be the product of Disney in-house artists. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:22 PM (AZGON)

125 27 Some people told us that Absolut really didn't mean to move the border of Mexico up so far in their ads too.
Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 05:30 PM (BARAe)
Yeah, after that happened I have not bought Absolut since. Used to be the preferred brand for me. Now that it is an Obama economy, it is Value-Rite.

Posted by: Guy Who Laughs At His Own Jokes at June 25, 2011 06:23 PM (20jXV)

126 You know, what made "Little Annie Fanny" funny was that it was in a men's magazine, no one could mistake that Annie for a child, and the parody of "Little Orphan Annie" was assumed and indirect.

It wouldn't have been so funny if the panels of the two cartoons were juxtaposed to tell one story both ways.

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:24 PM (heFS3)

127
Old and Busted: The librarian thing.
The New Hotness: Your daughter's best friend at school thing.

Posted by: Be-ponytailed Ad guy at June 25, 2011 06:25 PM (61af7)

128 Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:22 PM (AZGON)

There was an entire Adult Comic that was illustrated by a famous Disney Artist, I ran into a copy of it at a yard sale in college...the things Minnie was doing in the Hot Air Balloon were quite graphic...
I bought it and gave it to a my friend who was a Comic collector.

Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2011 06:26 PM (44nl/)

129 Pedphilia implications aside, doesn't anyone get perturbed by the idea of a teacher hitting on a student? Is that somehow excusable?

Posted by: irongrampa at June 25, 2011 06:26 PM (ud5dN)

130
To really be edgy, they should make a poster with Kias flying into the Twin Towers. Make a Red (state) version showinga bunch of angry teabaggers reacting, and a Blue (state) versionwith a bunch of coffeehouse douchebags porking underage girls.

Posted by: mrobvious at June 25, 2011 06:28 PM (G7Jng)

131 It's no secret that kids are being hypersexualizized and nobody besides normal folk seems to care.
Disney and Nickelodeon are evil bastards when it comes to whoring young female actresses into stardom and boy bands as well.
Cocksuckers.

Posted by: ErikW at June 25, 2011 06:28 PM (vc9sm)

132 I looked at that ad the other day without reading the commentary linked to it and my first thought was EEWWWWW!! Pedophilia came to mind immediately. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Posted by: California Witch at June 25, 2011 06:29 PM (Pbji2)

133 He sould his soul for some mouse ears and job security, while Istill
make the art I want-while slaving awayas a truck dispatcher to pay
bills.
Artist PLEASE!
The art you want consists of projects that require you to fondle extra large breasts.
I say you've got your boy beat.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 06:31 PM (C4bBq)

134 There was an entire Adult Comic that was illustrated by a famous Disney
Artist, I ran into a copy of it at a yard sale in college...the things
Minnie was doing in the Hot Air Balloon were quite graphic...

You should check out some of Dr. Suess' more mature offerings.
Strange fellow.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 06:33 PM (C4bBq)

135
Ooh ooh! I know! Does Kia make ice cream trucks? Cuz they could do an ad campaign where a Bozo type party clown is making balloon animals on one side while John Wayne Gacy is sodomizing and killing kids in his basementon the other.
C'mon Kia: Brian Dennehy needs some work.

Posted by: mrobvious at June 25, 2011 06:33 PM (G7Jng)

136 Breaking news: El Jefe or El Puerco (you may know him as Hugo Chavez dictator in all but name of Venezuela) is in critical condition (link to Fox News Latino) in a Cuban Hospital.

Think he'd like some capitalist American hospital care about now?

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Posted by: Nameless at June 25, 2011 06:34 PM (fiLQD)

137 Urban dictionary definitions are helpful to me. This being a place of learning, I often run into words and phrases that I haven't previously encountered.

Posted by: sTevo at June 25, 2011 06:34 PM (VMcEw)

138 Clearly the KIA Huge Stallion is a hybrid, 'cause chicks dig a conscientious eco-stud.

Posted by: Fritz at June 25, 2011 06:36 PM (p2IBw)

139
How bout having the Hip Hop hamsters dancing and cracking wise on one side, while Richard Gere is stuffing them up his ass on the other?

Posted by: mrobvious at June 25, 2011 06:36 PM (G7Jng)

140
hahahaha, it'd be funny if Fidel outlived Hugo

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 06:36 PM (KNDOU)

141 Hugo Chavez dictator in all but name of Venezuela) is in critical condition (link to Fox News Latino) in a Cuban Hospital.

Barack Obama and Raul Castro hardest hit.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 25, 2011 06:37 PM (AZGON)

142
speaking of shitbags...

who will go on trial first, Whitey or Nadil Hassan?

And how bad will the feds fuck up Whitey's prosecution?

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 06:37 PM (KNDOU)

143 136 Breaking news: El Jefe or El Puerco (you may know him as Hugo Chavez dictator in all but name of Venezuela) is in critical condition (link to Fox News Latino) in a Cuban Hospital.Think he'd like some capitalist American hospital care about now?Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Posted by: Nameless at June 25, 2011 06:34 PM (fiLQD)
Eh he's in a Michael Moore "This is the Healthcare all Cubans get" hospital which is actually pretty good, and probably on par with any US hospital. Rather than the real life "this is the healthcare Cubans really get" hospital where you wouldn't want to go to even if you lost a limb.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 06:37 PM (oVQFe)

144
Who will live longer, Whitey, the Lockerbie Terrorist, or Lindsey Lohan?

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 06:38 PM (KNDOU)

145 #133
His art pays, mine doesn't. Theprocess and seeing the end resultare myown rewards, and if I can get into a few galleries, that will just be a bonus. Not to mention I met my fiancee through my work, and she supports and helps with the creative process. It would be nice to get paid to create what I do, but then I become encumbered by limitations on my vision.

Posted by: CAC at June 25, 2011 06:40 PM (hZs9Q)

146 Sexualizing young girls, and prepubescent girls at that, is something that's been going on for a while and this is just the latestmanifestation of that. Remember that row a while back of a dance competition with girls as young as 7 dressed up like Bourbon Street hookers and doing pelvic thrusts and booty shakes to Beyonce's "Single Ladies"?
Remember the controversy of thongs and padded bras being sold to little girls. And slutty Halloween costumes for that 8yr old age group?
This is a cultural problem that's gotten out of hand over the last 20 years. Little girls are being taught to act slutty from a very young age. They don't know what they're doing, just imitating what's being thrown at them, and the pyschological problems with that are harrowing. Read some of the literature on this.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at June 25, 2011 06:40 PM (VVB18)

147 Disney and Nickelodeon are evil bastards when it comes to whoring young female actresses into stardom and boy bands as well.


Posted by: ErikW at June 25, 2011 06:28 PM (vc9sm)
Disney, ironically, is much worse. The only female Disney star that emerged wholesome that I recall in recent years is the girl who played Lizzie McGuire, Hillary Duff.Nickelodeon created female stars that transitioned to adult roles without doing a Britney/LiLo faceplant, girls like Amanda Bynes and Michelle Trachtenberg.The difference is most likely the fact that the Nick girls aren't promoted as singing stars and thus don't have to put on the kind of sexualized stage shows the Disney girls do. (Although Lindsey Lohan was never a singer, come to think of it....)

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:42 PM (heFS3)

148
what was that girl's name, Jon Benet Ramsey?


Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 06:42 PM (KNDOU)

149
remember that creep who confessed and then was released?

is he still a free man?

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 06:43 PM (KNDOU)

150 To really be edgy, they should make a poster with
Kias flying into the Twin Towers. Make a Red (state) version showinga
bunch of angry teabaggers reacting, and a Blue (state) versionwith a
bunch of coffeehouse douchebags porking underage girls.Posted by: mrobvious at June 25, 2011 06:28 PM (G7Jng)

How about the left side is panels of post-9/11 mourning and memorials and NYC bus stops festooned with "Have You Seen This Person" flyers, and the right side is Palestinians throwing candy to little kids and Al-Qaeda types firing guns in celebration and Jeremiah Wright preaching, "America's chickens... have come home... to ROOST!"?

Clearly showing the same situation experienced differently by different people, just like a Kia Sportage's dual-zone climate control.

Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:47 PM (heFS3)

151 The only female Disney star that emerged wholesome that I recall in recent years is the girl who played Lizzie McGuire, Hillary Duff.
Melissa John Hart, too.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 06:49 PM (jAKfY)

152 By whom I meant Melissa Joan Hart, who played Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
She's with Disney again on the only ABC Family show actually fit for family viewing.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 06:51 PM (jAKfY)

153 With marriage laws changing so much these days, I believe Snow White will finally be able to repair her image with regards to the Seven Dwarfs Scandal.


Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 06:51 PM (BARAe)

154 Posted by: stuiec at June 25, 2011 06:42 PM (heFS3)
Well, they're all promoted as singers and dancers.
I watch Nick and Disney with my neices and it's all about dancing and singing and boys which is is fine, I guess, when a girl is a teen but it seems way too over the top nowadays.
4 inch heels for a 15 year old girl?
That's fucking crazy.

Posted by: ErikW at June 25, 2011 06:52 PM (vc9sm)

155 "Disney, ironically, is much worse."

And to think Annette wasn't allowed to show her navel in those beach movies because of her Disney contract. I wonder what Walt's frozen head would think about Britney.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 25, 2011 06:53 PM (y/+eD)

156 His art pays, mine doesn't.
I beg to differ, sir. Your art pays out in satisfaction.

Theprocess and seeing the end resultare
myown rewards, and if I can get into a few galleries, that will just be
a bonus.
I wish you all the luck in the world.

Not to mention I met my fiancee through my work,
Congrats!

All BS aside good luck in what you do. I have some small artistic talent myself and never pursued it because I couldn't imagine being able to produce someone else's idea on a deadline. The muse and all that.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 06:54 PM (C4bBq)

157 Absurdity soars over pedophilia in ad effectiveness.

Posted by: I'm an avid catamaran sailot; I can my own jams: apricot at June 25, 2011 06:54 PM (wOaLi)

158 The girls who were around with Disney back in Walt's day didn't have those problems. But all the shows he did then were clean as well. Hayley Mills and Annette Funicello turned out OK.

Disney still puts out a good movie once in a while but every year the ration of trash to treasure gets slimmer.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 06:56 PM (M9Ie6)

159 And to think Annette wasn't allowed to show her navel in those beach
movies because of her Disney contract. I wonder what Walt's frozen head
would think about Britney.

Walt was in fact a prude. Fired a group of people over a wild party on a lake if I recall and his strictures on male facial hair are legend.

He also was a great anti-communist and union buster.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 06:57 PM (C4bBq)

160 And Raven.
(And Christy Carlson Romano, maybe, hopefully?)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 06:58 PM (jAKfY)

161 Walt was in fact a prude. Fired a group of people over a wild party on a
lake if I recall and his strictures on male facial hair are legend.

Actually that kind of stuff made financial buisness sense for him. Disney at that time was 100% family entertainment. Even a hint of scandal would have cost him and the company millions.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 06:59 PM (M9Ie6)

162 I'd like to see a nice, wholesome movie made by Disney. Something featuring a mom and her teenaged daughter who learn what each other's life islike.
(Anyone see that movie Taxi Driver with Robert Deniro? I want to see the kid hooker play the daughter.)

Posted by: Disney executive, circa 1976 at June 25, 2011 07:02 PM (jAKfY)

163 151
The only female Disney star that emerged wholesome that I recall in recent years is the girl who played Lizzie McGuire, Hillary Duff.
Melissa John Hart, too.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 06:49 PM (jAKfY)
She was Nickelodeon first. Clarissa Explains it All. She was already 20 when she played a teenager on Sabrina.

Posted by: buzzion at June 25, 2011 07:02 PM (oVQFe)

164 Yes, Vic but if you read about his life he seemed to be a social conservative so the business plan tracked with what appear to be his feelings. Plus studios were much better able (actually cared too) to squash reports of scandal.
Hell the firing itself would air the scandal now.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 07:03 PM (C4bBq)

165 The ironic thing is that Annette Funicello was the stuff of every adolescent male's dreams. She didn't have to do anything, she just had to be there, and endless dirty thoughts poured into your teenage male reptile brain. Sex the way God intended it.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 07:04 PM (6TB1Z)

166 Yes, Vic but if you read about his life he seemed to be a social
conservative so the business plan tracked with what appear to be his
feelings.

Well, that's also one of my earlier points. He would roll over in his grave if he knew what was going on with Disney now.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:04 PM (M9Ie6)

167 Kias also suck. Don't forget that.

Posted by: sifty at June 25, 2011 07:06 PM (BARAe)

168 She didn't have to do anything, she just had to be there, and endless
dirty thoughts poured into your teenage male reptile brain. Sex the way
God intended it.
As one of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour comedians said to his wife when she asked men were always turned on- Because we know you're naked under your clothes.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 07:06 PM (C4bBq)

169
in Heaven, Walt's nickname is "Pinwheel."


Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 07:06 PM (KNDOU)

170 The ironic thing is that Annette Funicello was the stuff of every adolescent male's dreams.

I didn't get to see a lot of her until she was older because neither of the TWO stations we received had Mickey Mouse club.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:06 PM (M9Ie6)

171 Well, that's also one of my earlier points. He would roll over in his
grave if he knew what was going on with Disney now.

I hear that.

Posted by: kdny at June 25, 2011 07:07 PM (C4bBq)

172 >> She [M. J. Hart] was Nickelodeon first.Clarissa Explains it All. She was already 20 when she played a teenager on Sabrina.
So were Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez (Barney and Friends) but I still think of them as Disney kids. Then again, they were still kids when they switched employers.
How's Miranda Cosgrove (iCarly) doing? Any problems there? I haven't heard anything, so I'm assuming everything's OK.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 25, 2011 07:08 PM (jAKfY)

173 If one of his artists had made a storyboard like those KIA comics they would have been on the street before their asses could clap together from the "you're fired" scream.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:09 PM (M9Ie6)

174 Thinking of little girls as voluptuous, sexually active women?

Hawt.

Posted by: Mohammed at June 25, 2011 07:09 PM (c0A3e)

175 Miranda Cosgroveis still doing iCarly. At least she was up until the end of this school year when I got a full dose of that crap.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:10 PM (M9Ie6)

176 Kia, please have a seat. You thought you were meeting a thirteen year old girl here today. Could you explain why you have a pack of Seagrams wine coolers and a box of condoms with you?

Posted by: Chris Hansen at June 25, 2011 07:11 PM (YGarY)

177 The ironic thing is that Annette Funicello was the
stuff of every adolescent male's dreams. Posted by: pep

What was it like to run with the dinosaurs, Grandpa?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 07:11 PM (qaU+h)

178
shiiiiit, I watched Johnny Tremaine (it's on yootoob) just recently.

As I mentioned to Vic before, I still enjoy Disney's old stuff such as Swamp Fox and Zorro.

At the beginning of Swamp Fox, Walt gives a brief history lesson. He produced Swamp Fox (from what I gather) to bring attention to the fact that the Northern colonies weren't the only ones fighting the Revolutionary War.

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 07:12 PM (KNDOU)

179 177
The ironic thing is that Annette Funicello was the
stuff of every adolescent male's dreams. Posted by: pepWhat was it like to run with the dinosaurs, Grandpa?

They were fast. I am faster. That's why I'm still here.

Get off my lawn.

Posted by: pep at June 25, 2011 07:13 PM (6TB1Z)

180 Look at "Tots in Tiaras" that's on these days. What the hell are those mothers thinking of?

Posted by: rabidfox at June 25, 2011 07:15 PM (EN8gV)

181 As I mentioned to Vic before, I still enjoy Disney's old stuff such as Swamp Fox and Zorro.

Oh yes, I have both full seasons of the Zorro episodes. When I fed grandson and neighbors kids here after school I would put on one of those 30 min episodes.

Believe it or not they got hooked on them even though they were black and white. And just like my parents, after each episode I would have to go out and stop them from sword fighting with sticks and stuff.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:16 PM (M9Ie6)

182 As for Swamp Fox I don't think I have seen those up for sale yet.

I guess I could have shown the kids the Mel Gibson version with cannon balls tearing the heads off people.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:18 PM (M9Ie6)

183 BYW, that was a joke.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:19 PM (M9Ie6)

184
kinda crappy but still watchable episodes of Swamp Fox are on yootoob

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 07:22 PM (KNDOU)

185

Leslie Nielsen was Colonel Marion, btw

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 07:23 PM (KNDOU)

186
and Johnny Tremaine is good for kids who want to learn about the Rev War

Posted by: leftover soothsayers at June 25, 2011 07:24 PM (KNDOU)

187 Would Darren Stevens have produced these ads?
The old Darren? No. The new Darren?
....maybe

Posted by: Cicero at June 25, 2011 07:24 PM (Txl/u)

188 I guess I could have shown the kids the Mel Gibson version with cannon balls tearing the heads off people.

If there's anything that Roland Emmerich is good at, it's depicting carnage on a large scale.

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190 Holy shit. I don't knowhow many people saw these ads before they were released and thought they were okay, but they really need their heads examined.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 25, 2011 07:43 PM (Z71Vg)

191 Clearly those of you who are offended or creeped out by this ad are sexually-repressed traditionalists.

And latent homosexuals.

Posted by: Y-not channels a certain segment at June 25, 2011 07:43 PM (TFxd0)

192 Miranda Cosgrove is still doing iCarly. At least she was up until the end
of this school year when I got a full dose of that crap.

I've got a 9-yr-old girl, so I've heard everything there is to know about iCarly. I will say this: Of all the Disney/Nick actresses, I think Cosgrove is one of three who I think will have an acting career outside pr0n when she's 28. Saw her on Fallon a few weeks ago, and she seems to have her head screwed on squarely (for now -- she's either starting at USC or NYU this fall, so it could fall apart very quickly).

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at June 25, 2011 07:55 PM (1H47k)

193 Must be a Korean thing.

Posted by: Joe at June 25, 2011 07:59 PM (AxdeT)

194 She is at least two years older than that girl the perv from Lost married. Think about that.

Posted by: Vic at June 25, 2011 07:59 PM (M9Ie6)

195 I am soooooo glad that I do not appreciate Art that much. I can look at something and appreciate it for what it is, but ask me to define it as Art, and I'm lost.

I was in the MOMA with my daughter one time. I looked at a huge, freakin' gigantic painting, hung to fill one entire wall, that was simply a monstrous canvas painted one primary color and a horizontal stripe down the middle...could have been done with 5 gallons of Home Depot paint and a roller.

I asked my Graduate Art History daughter what made it so good that it got a spot in the MOMA?
She said it was famous because it was the first time it had been done.

I have no interest in "Art", but i do like pretty paintings and interesting photographs.

Posted by: trainer at June 25, 2011 08:14 PM (yCWYQ)

196 There's a lot of crap at MoMA.
The Elsworth Kelly collection is not amongst it, though.

Posted by: garrett at June 25, 2011 08:47 PM (44nl/)

197 KIA/America did not authorize the ad, nor did KIA HQ/Korea.

Indirect proof, (alluded to above): nothing they've run in ANY way gets close to the message (perspective differential) that the ad is pushing. Their ads are boring, conventional, and ......boring.

It was an ad-fag wet dream.

Posted by: dad29 at June 25, 2011 08:51 PM (Xrozh)

198 Indirect proof, (alluded to above): nothing they've
run in ANY way gets close to the message (perspective differential)
that the ad is pushing. Their ads are boring, conventional, and
......boring. Posted by: dad29
Um, presumption of guilt?

Hey, some r'tard in Kia USA may have given the ok, but 'innocent before proven guilty' still sounds like a good idea.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2011 08:57 PM (qaU+h)

199 This is nothing compared to the creepy pederasty-themed Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs. Even their stores are creepy, with see-thru shutters on the windows that make you look between the slats at the young teenagers inside. Honestly, what is wrong with these people?

Posted by: CoolCzech at June 25, 2011 08:59 PM (kUaEF)

200 I wasskepticalof their brandingstrategyfrom the offset. Naming your Korean car company "kia" to market cars in America......

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Posted by: Charles Johnson at June 25, 2011 10:09 PM (FYwGn)

204
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Whoever created this should be dragged out into an alley, beaten until unconscious, and then buried in pig excrement.

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