Democrats 2012: All MediScare All the Time

Jonah Goldberg asked whether the Dems would just demagogue the Ryan plan into the 2012 elections instead of running on their record, shook his Magic 8 Ball, and ...

YES - DEFINITELY.

The simple fact is that the Democrats have their battle plan. It’s going to be Medi-scare every day in every way for the next 17 months. They are on autopilot. They are committed. Their die is cast. They have crossed their Rubicon. They have no desire to defend Obamacare, high gas prices, high unemployment, and a third Middle East war. They want — no, need — to be on offense because they have so much they cannot defend.

The question now is, “What are Republicans going to do about it?” Are they going to play the role of Pompey, the dissolute leader who didn’t want to fight? Or will they don Caesarian robes and join the battle head-on because they know they have nowhere to retreat? That is the political choice for the GOP: Win or die.

Before you start planning where to send a donation in lieu of flowers, take heart. The counterattack favored by Ace, namely pointing out that the Democrats have already gutted Medicare and Ryan's plan is the only one on the table to save it, is picking up steam.

The Obama administration has repeatedly claimed that the health-reform bill it passed last year improved Medicare's finances. Although you'd never know it from the current state of the Medicare debate—with the Republicans being portrayed as the Medicare Grinches—the claim is true only because ObamaCare explicitly commits to cutting health-care spending for the elderly and the disabled in future years.

Yet almost no one familiar with the numbers thinks that the planned brute-force cuts in Medicare spending are politically feasible. Last August, the Office of the Medicare Actuary predicted that Medicare will be paying doctors less than what Medicaid pays by the end of this decade and, by then, one in seven hospitals will have to leave the Medicare system.

Will this be successful? Given the Dems' 50-year head start on the "Evil Republicans want to throw grandma from the train" talking point, I have my doubts.

But Jonah's right. Those in the "that's not the hill I want to die on" wing of the GOP need to understand that their hill has been chosen for them. Time to fight.

Posted by: Andy at 08:16 AM



Comments

1 Why should we die to save their failed program?

Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 08:19 AM (mLAWK)

2

Are Democrats going to denounce this hysterical attempt by right-wingers to scare people into accepting Medicare and SS cuts?



Projected long-run program costs for both Medicare and Social Security are not sustainable under currently scheduled financing,
and will require legislative corrections if disruptive consequences for beneficiaries and taxpayers are to be avoided.


The financial challenges facing Social Security and Medicare should be addressed soon. If action is taken sooner rather than
later, more options and more time will be available to phase in changes so that those affected can adequately prepare. Timothy F. Geithner,
Secretary of the Treasury,
and Managing Trustee

Hilda L. Solis,
Secretary of Labor,
and Trustee






Kathleen Sebelius,
Secretary of Health
and Human Services,
and Trustee

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 08:21 AM (1fanL)

3 the Democrats have already gutted Medicare

I'm going with that.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 27, 2011 08:24 AM (0fzsA)

4 It's not just Medicare, they've gone all-in on fiscal irresponsibility. Jim Geraghty noted that this week no Democrat Senator voted for any proposed budget.

He asked whether Democrats are opposed to budgets in principle.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2011 08:28 AM (73tyQ)

5 I am going with....why does the economy suck when Obama spent a 2 trillion dollars, for 200 Alex.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 27, 2011 08:29 AM (VIdzr)

6 Oooh! Jezuth Christh!

Posted by: Mr. Slave at May 27, 2011 08:31 AM (kCT7A)

7 But Jonah's right. Those in the "that's not the hill I want to die on"
wing of the GOP need to understand that their hill has been chosen for
them. Time to fight.

Fight is such a strong word.

Posted by: John Boehner at May 27, 2011 08:32 AM (FkKjr)

8 I heard Ryan on Medved yesterday, and he hit hard on the idea that doing nothing isn't an option. The system goes broke in 9 years. Medved asked him about the disconnect between the public's understanding that the system is unsustainable and must be changed, vs. their insistence that their benefits not be touched. Ryan was diplomatic, and said that public education was the answer. He's right, but it will take time and repetition before the average person really accepts that things must change for them.

Posted by: pep at May 27, 2011 08:32 AM (GMG6W)

9 My worry is that no one seems able to explain Ryan's plan better then Ryan. When you see other members of congress confronted with it they just come off as confused while the Democrats (as usual) have no problem lying their heads off about it. A lot of the older generation grew up very poor even if they are moderately wealthy now. The money and healthcare scare works very well on them. I know of older women who are millionaires who claim that rising healthcare costs will force them to have to live on cat food. Its insane, its pure emotionalism but god damn it, its such of a potent weapon against Republicans. We need people out there just nonstop explaining and reassuring because that is what you have to do with the elderly.

Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 08:37 AM (IRpuf)

10 18 months till the next election. Dems have a severe case of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 27, 2011 08:38 AM (i6RpT)

11 The simple fact is that the Democrats have their battle plan. It’s going
to be Medi-scare every day in every way for the next 17 months.

And you can see it in EVERY major paper in the country this morning. They have their marching orders.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 08:39 AM (M9Ie6)

12 But one thing I would caution the GOP candidates on. If you allow the Dems to dictate the battlefield you will lose. Sure we need to tell and scream about the ies behind their accounts but we also need to attack them on their record relentlessly.

They are trying to divert attention from their record and the abysmal Obama depression,

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 08:41 AM (M9Ie6)

13 Sadly, I think the dems will do some damage, but what option do we have. Even Bill Clinton said it needs reformed.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 08:41 AM (wuv1c)

14 I predict the moderators in the presidential debates to come next year spend an odd amount of time talking about Ryan's plan and strangely not so much talking about Obama's failures.. hmmmmm.

Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 08:45 AM (IRpuf)

15 Scott Brown (R) Itty-Bitty, hardest hit.

Posted by: beedubya at May 27, 2011 08:46 AM (AnTyA)

16 Hey Obama...where's your plan on saving MediCare??

I don't have one either...but where's yours??

Posted by: T-Paw (R-"kind of") -MN at May 27, 2011 08:47 AM (AnTyA)

17
I know of older women who are millionaires who claim that rising healthcare costs will force them to have to live on cat food.

Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 08:37 AM (IRpuf)


I live in a wealthy area of the country, and many of the geezers profess insolvency without Medicare, but their true motivation is to retain their vast wealth to complete their vision of distributing their wealth to their children and grandchildren, charities, etc., thereby leaving a grand legacy....at the expense of less well-off citizens.

They are greed driven charlatans, and there is no persuasive argument that will change their minds. They will vote for the candidate they believe will assist in their live quest for a family and public legacy of generosity and kindness.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 27, 2011 08:49 AM (cwFVA)

18 #12 This is correct. We need to pound this message, but we also need to hit them on all fronts. There are too many rich targets to ignore.

Posted by: Alex #11 at May 27, 2011 08:49 AM (UeE90)

19 #17 Take away their medicare yes, or at least means-base test it. But let's not get into them "leaving a legacy at the expense of less well off citizens." That's their money to dispose of how they see fint.

Posted by: Alex #11 at May 27, 2011 08:51 AM (UeE90)

20 Andy, the Dem plan is to cut defense spending and tell the 52%'ers that that is all they have to do so they can keep their Medicare/Aid and Social Security. Look at all the articles lately on Defense Cuts. Heck, Huma Kahn over at the ABC News blog wrote an article today and here's the opening paragraph:
Defense accounts for the largest chunk of U.S. federal spending. Of all the money that Congress controls each year, nearly a quarter goes towards the Pentagon and defense spending.
While true, it avoids any and all mention of the fact that pensions and healthcare eat up 55% of the budget.

Posted by: CDR M at May 27, 2011 08:51 AM (cqZXM)

21 All of you people who are advocating "means testing" for SS and Medicare need to be careful what you wish for. That is EXACTLY what happened with the income tax and numerous other federal programs.

They start out as "punishing" the rich and pretty soon the "rich" is defined as anyone who actually has a job. In short, the SS and Medicare programs will become just another welfare program.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 08:53 AM (M9Ie6)

22 This Medicare . . . is lost.

Posted by: Harry Reid at May 27, 2011 08:54 AM (zgZzy)

23 It is my sacred duty to inform you that Paul Ryan and I had sexual relations while he was destroying medicare. Paul, call me!

Posted by: Will Folks at May 27, 2011 08:54 AM (UciSl)

24 He's actually killing Medicare Medicare!

Posted by: Whoopi at May 27, 2011 08:56 AM (zgZzy)

25 My friends, we just need to reach across the aisle, bend over and spread 'em and we'll win 2012. Maybe it didn't work in 2008 but I have a feeling... 2012 is our year to cave, I mean win!

Posted by: John McCain at May 27, 2011 08:57 AM (UciSl)

26 All of you people who are advocating "means testing" for SS and Medicare need to be careful what you wish for. That is EXACTLY what happened with the income tax and numerous other federal programs.
I agree. I'm not big on, let's eat the rich, or let's take their money and not give them jack shit back policies.
Look at it like this.
Someone making 250K a year pays a shitload more in that someone makine 30Ka year over their life. And now we're going to institute a policy in which the person making 30K a year gets more medicare/SS over their lifetime than the person making 250K.
I know that sells politically, but I don't like it one bit.
I'm a big believe in the idea that none of us deserves anything simply because we exist, we deserve what we earn and nothing more.

Also, the GOP is going to abandon the Ryan plan as soon as we have our primary candidate. Mark my words, the first thing our candidate will do is rebuke the Ryan plan.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 08:58 AM (wuv1c)

27 24

Whoopi, your a dirty filthy whore... see its cool for me to say that, I call Barbara Walters a whore all of the time!

Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 09:00 AM (IRpuf)

28 "Fight, fight, fight, come fight with me"
or some such rot by Juan McSame 2008 right before he packed his bags, told the world what a great family man and country lover OBlahBlah was and staggered into DC to reach across the isle and get bitch slapped by his pals on the other side.

Sorry to piss on this parade but with McCain, Grahamnasty, Snowe, Collins and Brown as team members we are scroomed.

Gotta try tho.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry its ur dooty at May 27, 2011 09:00 AM (tHnoW)

29 Let if fail and let it bankrupt and discredit the left and their socialist system of government.

I'm sure as hell not going to lose time, money, and energy to save democrats from their own greed only to have all the other issues we care about flushed down the electoral toilet.

Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 09:01 AM (mLAWK)

30
That's their money to dispose of how they see fint.(sic)

Posted by: Alex #11 at May 27, 2011 08:51 AM (UeE90)
I wasn't suggesting confiscation of assets, but I do believe Medicare should be means tested.I am in the VA system, and to remain enrolled requires annual disclosure of net worth to include property, stocks, bonds, cash, etc. From there, the VA uses a sliding scale to grade the beneficiary's payment schedule for services. It works quite well, and allows the lesser income earners to remain in the system while the more robust net worth participants pay full boat.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 27, 2011 09:02 AM (cwFVA)

31 40 billion to Egypt and Tunisia for "Democracy"
what fools

Posted by: nevergiveup at May 27, 2011 09:02 AM (i6RpT)

32 Whoopi, your a dirty filthy whore... see its cool for me to say that, I call Barbara Walters a whore all of the time!

That's racist, but it's not racist racist.

Posted by: Whoopi at May 27, 2011 09:02 AM (zgZzy)

33 The good intent in the Ryan plan is a perfect example of the left plays cage match and the republicans play T ball.

We literally brought their party back to life with a plan that has no chance of passing.

Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 09:03 AM (mLAWK)

34 I would much rather see the entire program just killed rather than start means testing.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 09:03 AM (M9Ie6)

35 Vic, all those things are going to happen anyway. Because A) nobody wants to take their medicine, and B) any shitbag over the age of 18 gets to vote.

We are going to ride this bitch all the way down.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 09:04 AM (W7Ddq)

36 Tax the rich!

Posted by: Penny the Moucher at May 27, 2011 09:04 AM (qjUnn)

37 @ #2 Hilda Solis is the lady who was a big wig in Hillarys campaign famous for watching soap operas during work days. Hillarys campaign never got steam until she replaced her. Just a bit of history from 08 election for you.

Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 09:06 AM (mLAWK)

38 Because A) nobody wants to take their medicine,

IIANM it is against the law for an insurance company to write a medical policy for someone over the age of 65. FDR and his heirs wanted the government to have a monopoly on this.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 09:07 AM (M9Ie6)

39 We are seeing it happen already but the worst part of it all is that slowly Republicans will start to back away from the Ryan plan and eventually turn on it. Reforming entitlements requires far more courage then the general Republican politician has.

Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 09:07 AM (IRpuf)

40 The democrats: All scare, no ideas of any value. No budget, all fail. All ObamaCare, with the ultimate goal of collapsing the system and installing full-on tax payer funded "universal" care.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 27, 2011 09:08 AM (0fzsA)

41 Still waiting on Obama's stash!

Posted by: Detroit democrat at May 27, 2011 09:09 AM (qjUnn)

42 Chris Matthews is pimping Palin now.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 27, 2011 09:10 AM (0fzsA)

43
My check's in the mail. I just know President Obama wouldn't lie to me, and I go to the Post Office every day looking for my mortgage money and gasoline check.

Posted by: Peggy Joseph, Stiffed at the Altar of Obama Love at May 27, 2011 09:11 AM (cwFVA)

44 Yeah, goes without saying, and also the reason RINOs need to burn in Hell.

Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2011 09:12 AM (OlN4e)

45 "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free."
-PJ O'Rourke.
Those wonderful idiots in Vermont are going for full-on tax payer funded "free" health care. Yay - free healthcare!.... idiots.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 27, 2011 09:13 AM (0fzsA)

46 All I need is a kitchen.

Posted by: Obama voter at May 27, 2011 09:15 AM (qjUnn)

47 "The counterattack favored by Ace, namely pointing out that the Democrats have already gutted Medicare and Ryan's plan is the only one on the table to save it, is picking up steam."

Huh? How can a dead bill pick up steam? It's already been voted on in the Senate. It lost in bi-partisan fashion that saw even Republicans voting against it. If you can't even convince Republicans ... how can this ever succeed?

Raising taxes and cutting elderly voters' health benefits doesn't seem like a winning electoral strategy and the persistence of these Ryan losers is threatening House, Senate and White House races in 2012.

Stop.

Just. Stop.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 09:17 AM (iIQ0a)

48 "40 billion to Egypt and Tunisia for "Democracy" what fools.."
And meanwhile, the shrieking braindead left howls about the egregious "4 billion in annual subsidies Big Oil is getting on the backs of the poor!"
I dunno- suppose when I fill my tank with gas made from Tunisian crude, I'll think it's time to giveEgypt and/or Tunisia(or rather, some crapstain bunch of Yankee lovers like the muslim brotherhood)a good chunk of 40 billion dollars for "democracy".
Feeling very WAFfy this morning, don't know why that is. Think I'll go push some old codger in a wheelchair off a cliff.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 09:19 AM (tk5O7)

49 "We are seeing it happen already but the worst part of it all is that slowly Republicans will start to back away from the Ryan plan and eventually turn on it."
Yep, the squishees standing in the back of the room are edging toward the exits, with some already out and running down the hall.
A plague upon their gold plated, silk lined houses.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 09:22 AM (tk5O7)

50
I just want to send a shout-out to my fellow citizens in Missouri and along the Mississippi river. We're with you during this difficult time, and I'll visit after returning from the Continent.

Barack Obama
President of the United States
May 27, 2008

Posted by: Barack Obama, Gadfly Traveler at May 27, 2011 09:22 AM (cwFVA)

51 Dont forget about me... I'd like to get off this treadmill.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 27, 2011 09:23 AM (qjUnn)

52 Dont forget about me... I'd like to get off this treadmill.
i just put the link up in the sidebar.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 09:26 AM (wuv1c)

53 Raising taxes and cutting elderly voters' health benefits doesn't seem
like a winning electoral strategy and the persistence of these Ryan
losers is threatening House, Senate and White House races in 2012.

Stop.

Just. Stop.

If 'electability uber alles' is your credo, you are never going to fix these problems, just preside over them and attempt to use them to your advantage. This has been the history of the Republican Party for the last forty years.

Fixing these problems will require electoral risk. But they are serious problems and we are now at the time where it doesn't matter if Democrats make it worse.

Posted by: John Boehner at May 27, 2011 09:27 AM (FkKjr)

54 Out, damned sock.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 27, 2011 09:28 AM (FkKjr)

55 The GOP could defend the Ryan plan if they had the stones. But they don't. Its clear they are going to shoot it, and Ryan, down.
Looks to me like the 2011 GOP, the one that runs the House of Representatives with Speaker John Boned, is actually a good bit weaker than the 2010 GOP, which was completely shut out of power but at least seemed to sense that its survival was at stake.
I'd just as soon let Medicare and the GOP go ahead and collapse, so we can get on with the re-build.

Posted by: some dope at May 27, 2011 09:29 AM (K/USr)

56 Democrat's advice to the elderly: Die quickly.

Posted by: toby928™ at May 27, 2011 09:30 AM (GTbGH)

57 Dont forget about me... I'd like to get off this treadmill.


Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 27, 2011 09:23 AM (qjUnn)
What are you complaining about?

Posted by: The chicken at May 27, 2011 09:30 AM (LH6ir)

58 Also, the GOP is going to abandon the Ryan plan as soon as we have our primary candidate. Mark my words, the first thing our candidate will do is rebuke the Ryan plan.Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 08:58 AM (wuv1c)
"Our primary candidate" will have to beat Palin first. She's not going to abandon Ryan. but the rest of them will.

Posted by: some dope at May 27, 2011 09:32 AM (K/USr)

59 The way to win this battle is not to take this bait. Let the Dems die on the false election results of NY-26. The real battle is to defeat the "Ross Perot" of 2012.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 27, 2011 09:33 AM (84oau)

60 We literally brought their party back to life with a plan that has no chance of passing.

Well, we also demanded it too, or something like it. Imagine if Ryan had proposed a budget that only cut discretionary spending. We would have had a field day here at the HQ saying "they're not serious about the debt, they are RINOs just as bad as Dems who want to spend us all into poverty".

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 09:34 AM (7mSYS)

61 Well, duh, they are going to demagogue Medicare, its what they do.

Republicans who live in fear of that need to find new jobs.

Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2011 09:34 AM (l5dj7)

62 "In short, the SS and Medicare programs will become just another welfare program."


Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 08:53 AM (M9Ie6)
That's what it is now, with all of the attendant fraud and corruption that came with AFDC.
I don't know whether the actuaries who laugh at this, but what about allowing opt-out? My wife and I would love to forfeit our benefits if we could stop paying into the system. Then it could slowly wither on the vine, or rot like a corpse and stink to high heaven.

Posted by: The chicken at May 27, 2011 09:36 AM (LH6ir)

63
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off, big time. An ATM repairman swapped out fake bills for real cash,
police said, getting away with $200,000.

The phony $20 bills coming out of some Bank of America automated bank
machines last July 4 didn’t fool anyone. They were printed on a
photocopier and stuffed into the ATM by a serviceman, who took the real
money and fled, according to investigators.



Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 27, 2011 09:36 AM (84oau)

64 I agree we have to defend Medicare changes, but we cannot talk about this in a way that makes Medicare the number one issue in the election.
Our chances of winning are built around unemployment and the economy being the top issue. Anything else results in us losing.

Posted by: Paper at May 27, 2011 09:38 AM (VoSja)

65 After watching the ad with "Paul Ryan" throwing grandma off the cliff for about the 100th time it strikes me that the ad appears to have been made at Great Falls National Park on the Potomac River near DC.

If that's true I wonder if it was done with the permission of the National Park Service? If it was did the ad makers file all the necessary paperwork and pay all the required fees? If not, why not?

Is it legal to use Federal property to make a campaign ad?

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 27, 2011 09:39 AM (RSqz2)

66 Oath Keepers Rally to Honor Jose Guerena and Oppose SWAT Searchesvideo has the horrific 911 call his wife made. Damn. Brought me to tears.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:39 AM (penCf)

67

Stop.

Just. Stop.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 09:17 AM (iIQ0a)

Okay, someguy, what's your plan?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 09:41 AM (7mSYS)

68 Did y'all hear Glenn Beck's dissertation on Elizabeth Warren's position? She has been engineered to have that position forever, and it was beyond scary how it was done.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 09:42 AM (Ew27I)

69 57
Dont forget about me... I'd like to get off this treadmill.


Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 27, 2011 09:23 AM (qjUnn)
What are you complaining about?


Posted by: The chicken at May 27, 2011 09:30 AM (LH6ir)

Look, we both have reason to complain... but lets not get into a pissing match on who has it rougher! We both have friends who ended up sauted in garlic and laid out on a bed of linguini.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 27, 2011 09:48 AM (qjUnn)

70 Okay, someguy, what's your plan?

I'm guessing it involves punching down.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 27, 2011 09:48 AM (FkKjr)

71 Did y'all hear Glenn Beck's dissertation on Elizabeth Warren's
position? She has been engineered to have that position forever, and it
was beyond scary how it was done.


No. I just turned him on. More please.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:50 AM (penCf)

72 awesome kitten video in the side bar. Check it out

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 09:50 AM (wuv1c)

73 Great post, Andy. They've been doing this since 2006, playing the spoiler, with an exception to Obamacare, which they executed as close to their plans as their ineptitude would allow.

Dem Senators didn't vote for ANY budget. Just think about that.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at May 27, 2011 09:51 AM (UEEex)

74 OK, here's my ad:
Hundreds of gradmas in wheelchairs, young people, children. Somebody, not sure what they should look like but about 45 years old, has them herded near a cliff. He cackles: If I don't get mine, we are all going down, he pushes some lever and everyone falls into the abyss.
IF IT ISN'T FIXED NO ONE GETS ANYTHING

Posted by: dagny at May 27, 2011 09:51 AM (/FefF)

75 The View: Nuthin' Wrong With Using 'Slut.'
What about ignorant slut? Cuz that is usually the term used when referencing you all.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:52 AM (penCf)

76 I am a little confused. What is so hard to understand about Medicare won't change for people 55 and over? That seems pretty clear to me?

Also, why is that so hard for seeming illiterates like Boehner and McConnell to explain. It is a small, short sentence- maybe that's the problem, it's not wordy enough?

Posted by: Marcus at May 27, 2011 09:54 AM (CHrmZ)

77 Cuz that is usually the term used when referencing you all.
You forgot "ugly". How these frightenly UGLY shrill freaks think they should have an opinion is beyond me. STFU you nastly horror stories. If you're gonna be ugly at least be pleasant.

Posted by: dagny at May 27, 2011 09:54 AM (/FefF)

78 Dem Senators didn't vote for ANY budget. Just think about that.
But there was that brief moment of bi-partinsanship in the Senate when Democrats and Republicans joined to vote no on Obama's budget.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 09:55 AM (OWjjx)

79 OT

Rush Limbaugh On FOX: Obama Is Easily Beatable! Yes, By Palin! (video)Text-FoxNation

I think if it's Palin, for example, or if it's Santorum, Herman Cain,
if it's Rick Perry, you watch how these people -- these genuine
conservatives are going to campaign for every vote. They are not going
to try to get the Hispanic with this message. They're not going to try
to get women with this message. And they're not going to try to
subdivide the American electorate into a bunch of different groups, some
victimized and some not. They're not just going to go for America.
Here's our message: We're Americans. We love America. We love the country.
Here's how we make it better. Here's how we save the country from
current policies. It doesn't matter what kind of an American you are. If
you are with us and you want a better country, and you want a place in
it, we are the way to go. That's the message.
VAN SUSTEREN: If you were President Obama, who would be the
Republican you would not run against -- not want to run against, and
why?
LIMBAUGH: If I were Obama, I would not want to run against Palin.
Contrary to what everybody says -- I don't want her to run. You know,
when they tell us that's what they hope for, it's opposite. I wouldn't
want to run Chris Christie if I were them. I wouldn't want to run
against Santorum. I wouldn't want to run against Rick Perry.
I think, the truth of the matter is, in the White House,
the truth of the matter is, if you could get hold of their internal
reelect polls, I will bet you that they are bad. And I think what they
believe is, they've got to do everything they can to make sure that
whoever the Republican nominee is not a conservative.
They think they can beat a moderate Republican. They know they can
beat a liberal Republican. They know they can beat a Republican who is
afraid to be a Republican.
But they are mostly afraid of a genuine, full-throated, passionate, articulate conservative.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:56 AM (penCf)

80 Our corrupt media covers for the corrupt Democrat party. Christiane Amanpoor is up to the task and leads the corruption machine.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 27, 2011 09:57 AM (0fzsA)

81 You forgot "ugly"

Damn. I did. I also forgot to mix in the vagina word.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:57 AM (penCf)

82 COOK!! COOK!!! WHERE'S MY HASENPFEFFER?!?!

Posted by: His Majesty The King and Most Royal Highness at May 27, 2011 09:59 AM (m7+ff)

83 Damn. Ace is all reaching.

James Clyburn (D-ickhead) says he never uses the race card.



“I have always abhorred the word ’racism,’” Clyburn said in the letter.
“I never use it. I believe it is a lethal term, and I am offended that
my honest responses to a reporter’s clearly designed agenda would be
distorted in such a manner.”

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:59 AM (penCf)

84 President Obama “Declares War on American Energy Workers”

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 10:01 AM (penCf)

85 Jonah's right.

Y'all know I think bringing up Ryan's plan before we got the Senate and WH back was a dumb idea - politically speaking.

But at this point, what's done is done. We have to make lemonade out of those lemons.

It's not going to be easy, however. They have a nice bumper sticker slogan.. GOP wants to kill medicare!

Our message of how the Dems are killing Medicare by a thousand cuts needs a whole lot more explaining. And explaining Ryan's plan needs patience and lots of answers - answers and details Ryan hasn't even provided yet.

But we have no choice. I think we should hit them with irresponsible actions - spending us into debt - and ignoring the looming crisis in Medicare and SS.

But let's talk about Ryan's plan like this - Ryan's plan isn't the only plan that could save Medicare. Where's the Democrat plan? We need to do something about Medicare and we need to do it now. The Democrats are fiddling while Rome is burning.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2011 10:01 AM (f9c2L)

86 What about ignorant slut? Cuz that is usually the term used when referencing you all.
Posted by: momma
Still one of the best lines from SNL

Posted by: todler at May 27, 2011 10:03 AM (fPOY0)

87 What kitten video?

Posted by: Huh? at May 27, 2011 10:03 AM (hheOH)

88 “I have always abhorred the word ’racism,’” Clyburn said in the letter. “I never use it.
Yeah, you should go with the term "Stone cold dumbshit liar" instead, Clyburn.
There's a pretty good article over at American Thinker that covers Clyburn stating that most of obama's problems "stem from racism". WhichClyburn said oh, in the last couple weeks.
The guy has to be trying, to be this vapidly moronic.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 10:04 AM (tk5O7)

89 Sorry about the links (except for the related (election) Rush one). Thought I was on the THC tab.

Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 10:04 AM (penCf)

90 Even yesterday he used "racism" and played the racism card.

Yesterday

James Clyburn throws down a dog-eared and
wore out card



WASHINGTON — U.S. Congressman Jim Clyburn of Columbia, the
highest-ranking African-American in Congress, on Wednesday blamed most of
President Barack Obama’s political problems on racism.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 10:04 AM (M9Ie6)

91 Said this before but I'll say it here again.

The Republicans need a unified strategy, and they may need a unifier, a messiah, to get them marching to the same tune. There sure ain't one now. Paul Ryan does not qualify, somehow, because maybe he just seems too wonky or something. He is like John the Baptist, crying out the truth from the wilderness, wearing raggy clothes and home-made sandals.

WalMart and their campaign to turn all the negativity around, using sustainability as their banner, is the model.

You don't mount a defense, you wage an offensive war, and the message is made uniform and sound, and most of all positive. Positive.

And it is a top-down campaign. With all on board, all the way to the grassiest of roots.

We will not survive with Medicare and Medicaid as we know it. The fact is that we do not even know it.

Doctors are cashing out as fast as they can. A larger exit door is needed, to handle all those fleeing the profession. The new docs are not going into private practice. You cannot keep your doctor, because he just left.

Practices everywhere are up for sale and there are no takers. Docs have had their incomes driven down so far now by Medicare, that they have resorted to tacking charges called "facility fees" to office visits. Yeah, facility fees. Pay for the light bulbs, maybe because the bulbs have gotten so expensive, or something. Whatever.

The Dems have the White House, which is in campaign mode with the superchargers on, all the afterburners, drumming out that message via conference calls, probably twice or more daily. What do the Republicans have?

Who will create the message, the pitch, the positive argument needed? Who will see to it that all are trained in its delivery? Who will translate it into the hundreds of local languages and dialects needed so it is heard and understood in every tiny voting district of the country? By that I mean tailoring it to everybody's needs and ability to understand. How it gets spoken in Maine, already having a statewide program sort of like Obamacare, is going to be different from how it gets delivered in, say, New Mexico.

For the story of how WalMart bootstrapped itself out of the nasty demagogery the greens and the left and the unions were shouting, into a positive force for worldwide sustainability, read Force of Nature. And hope that Republicans in leadership positions everywhere read it too, and can connect the dots.

Posted by: Stormy Weather at May 27, 2011 10:05 AM (4sQwu)

92 This is what happens when you have a district gerrymandered by race on the orders of the supreme court.

The politician is elected by race alone and he can be a stupid lying creosote post as long as he is a black lying creosote post.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 10:06 AM (M9Ie6)

93 Bob Dole says weneed to raise the eligibility age and the tax rate to save Medicare. Just like Bob Dole did back in the 80s to save Social Security. Who's this Ryan kid, anyway, what does he know? Just ask yourself, what would Bob Dole do?

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 27, 2011 10:06 AM (zAZNI)

94 Their message needs to focus on the 40-55 age group, i.e. the ones who are going to be screwed over if nothing is done. The older folks are big voters, for sure. But the younger demographicis where the battlelines need to be drawn.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2011 10:06 AM (VndSC)

95 I'd like to see commercials where the Obama 2012 tour bus is rolling over old ladies in wheelchairs. "Don't let the Democrats throw Grandma under the bus"

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2011 10:09 AM (VndSC)

96 Reading the comments over at HotAir in the Ferguson/Rosenberg piece, it is clear that many conservatives are ready to play the role of Pompey.

Posted by: gm at May 27, 2011 10:09 AM (VhCkG)

97 apital Islamabad, gucci shoes Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen, accompanied visit. gucci wallets 2 this month, U. S. special forces infiltrated the town of Pakistan, Afghanistan and killed Osama bin Laden Bard Alberta.

Posted by: gucci outlet at May 27, 2011 10:11 AM (H7Fec)

98 What kitten video?
it's in the side bar on the main page.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:11 AM (wuv1c)

99 The GOP needs to run ads showing hospital waiting rooms overflowing with seniors, many of whom are dead or dying and claim that is the Democrat's plan for Medicare. Then the demagoguery can cancel itself out and we will be left with the voters left to consider jobs and the economy.

Posted by: gm at May 27, 2011 10:12 AM (VhCkG)

100 Republican elected officials make too little use of the word Lying and Fool. In answer to a reporters query about how the Republicans can leave the elderly without healthcare, to give tax cuts to their monopoly-man patrons, they should say: The truth is that Reid/Pelosi/thePresident/democrat-x is lying to you. They think you're a fool.

Posted by: toby928™ at May 27, 2011 10:13 AM (GTbGH)

101 http://tiny.cc/51aa6

Which one of you morons owns this dog?

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 27, 2011 10:14 AM (qjUnn)

102 Posted by: Stormy Weather
-------
This.

I fear it may be easier to just let it all crumble, however. We have no messenger.. we have no organization. Meh.. maybe a moron will step up.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2011 10:14 AM (f9c2L)

103 ""But one thing I would caution the GOP candidates on. If you allow the
Dems to dictate the battlefield you will lose. Sure we need to tell and
scream about the lies behind their accounts but we also need to attack
them on their record relentlessly.""


Thats exactly right, classic Sun Tzu.

He who occupies the battleground first and awaits the enemy will be at ease. Whoever occupies the battleground afterward and must race to the conflict will be fatigued. Thus one who excels at warfare compels men and is not compelled by other men.

Posted by: Berserker at May 27, 2011 10:14 AM (FMbng)

104 That dog video is hilarious.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 27, 2011 10:16 AM (f9c2L)

105 Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 10:06 AM (M9Ie6)

Take a look at some of the other gerrymandered states. It's not just race they preserve. Hard-left bastions like the upper west side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the East Bay....it goes on and on.

There could be a relatively simple algorithm for designing districts. Imagine what the electoral landscape would be if the borders were respectful of county, city and town boundaries!

Posted by: The chicken at May 27, 2011 10:17 AM (LH6ir)

106 Smelly sock...Ugh.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 10:17 AM (LH6ir)

107 92 This is what happens when you have a district gerrymandered by race on the orders of the supreme court.The politician is elected by race alone and he can be a stupid lying creosote post as long as he is a black lying creosote post.

What is the difference between a reservation and a gerrymandered district? The tribal chief does not sit in Congress or the Senate.

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 27, 2011 10:18 AM (Q5+Og)

108 96 Reading the comments over at HotAir in the Ferguson/Rosenberg piece, it is clear that many conservatives are ready to play the role of Pompey.
Posted by: gm at May 27, 2011 10:09 AM (VhCkG)
What, Drew is posting at HotAir now?

Posted by: T-Paw Diddy Swag at May 27, 2011 10:19 AM (c45xH)

109 t's not just race they preserve. Hard-left bastions like the upper west
side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the East Bay....it goes on and
on.

Oh I know the Dems gerrymander by political leaning in the North but the South was ORDERED by the courts to gerrymander by race to assure a minority-majority district.

Its as if the Civil Rights act and the VRA of 1964 which forbids that simply did not exist.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 10:19 AM (M9Ie6)

110 We should also point out that the collapse of Medicare will not just hurt the seniors; it will hit those who have parents on Medicare. My mil has poor health and virtually no money. Her family will become completely responsible for her healthcare. Even if that's the way it should be, it will be a lot to throw at hard-working families that have little money themselves because they've been taxed to death.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 27, 2011 10:23 AM (MyByM)

111 111 We should also point out that the collapse of Medicare will not just hurt the seniors; it will hit those who have parents on Medicare. My mil has poor health and virtually no money. Her family will become completely responsible for her healthcare. Even if that's the way it should be, it will be a lot to throw at hard-working families that have little money themselves because they've been taxed to death.
Barb, isn't that when she gets to chose betweent the red or blue pill? This is what I was told by our pres--ent. I think everyone heard and understood what he said. 52% said they were for it. So it must be right. Values.

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 27, 2011 10:26 AM (Q5+Og)

112 OT, a bit old, but still important - Iran's Bid for Africa's Uranium

...

In recent days, officials in Harare have confirmed that the government
of Robert Mugabe is finalizing a massive resources deal with Tehran, in
defiance of United Nations sanctions aimed at derailing Iran's nuclear
push. That agreement, in the works ever since Iranian President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad visited the African state in April 2010, would provide the
Iranian regime with preferential access to the country's estimated
455,000 tons of raw uranium over the next five years.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2011 10:27 AM (9hSKh)

113 I intend to counter the Mediscare meme with the ammo the Dems have been giving us for years. When someone tells you that they're terrified that the evil Repubs will gut Medicare and kick old people on the street, just laugh rightin their face and ask a couple questions.
"When was the last time the Democrats weren't trying to terrify you? When were they not claiming the Republicans are pure evil? They lied to your stupid ass about Global Warming and you bought it hook, line and sinker. They convinced you that Republicans were the Devil's spawn over the issues of Gitmo, the Patriot Act, etc. and when they got into Office, they continued and expandedboth. They're laughing at yourb assnow, thinking that since you fell for that other melodramatic garbage you'll fall for the "killing Granny" ruse, too. Don't be a fucking idiot all your life. Bye."

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2011 10:29 AM (Z05lF)

114 They've already won.

The 'Conservative' position is now to do whatever it takes to save Medicare.

Posted by: MlR at May 27, 2011 10:29 AM (uxyPr)

115 Okay, someguy, what's your plan?


Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 09:41 AM (7mSYS)
Helloo...ooo...ooo? Is anybody there...ere...ere?I think you scared him off, chemjeff, you mean thing.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 10:31 AM (1fanL)

116 Did y'all hear Glenn Beck's dissertation on Elizabeth Warren's position? She has been engineered to have that position forever, and it was beyond scary how it was done.


No. I just turned him on. More please.
Posted by: momma at May 27, 2011 09:50 AM (penCf) If you missed the video of Rand Paul grilling her yesterday, find it. He flat-out asked her (re the Financial Regulation bill!) if she was going to start going through gun registrations with no cause. She refused to answer him. She said she had an appt. He said, "I'll only keep you 10 minutes; answer the question."At one point he told her she was making something up and her mouth just about hit the table.Beck said it would take 2/3 of Congress to get rid of her, but it was confusing because then he said they could NEVER get her out 'cause she works directly for the president.Beck: So then you say, "well, when we get a new president, she'll be fired. No, then they're planning on saying she works for the director of the Fed. So you say, Well, we'll just get a new director. No, the Fed is set up so you have three or four choices from the folks the board of the Fed picks for you.Also, Sarah Brady has reported that Ebola told her he IS working on gun control, but there are some processes he must go through and it has to stay under the radar.
I've been watching these. Seems Harrison Bounel was a boarder with the Robinson Family in Connecticut way back when.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 10:31 AM (Ew27I)

117 We literally brought their party back to life with a plan that has no chance of passing.

Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 09:03 AM (mLAWK)
I'll bet your plan is the same as someguy's, huh?

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 10:33 AM (1fanL)

118 I agree, Sub-tard, except that too many people are refusing to hear or accept it. We have to explain very slowly, in words of one syllable, what will happen when people are forced to choose between shelling out tens of thousands of dollars on their own or pushing Granny over the cliff themselves.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 27, 2011 10:36 AM (MyByM)

119 118 We literally brought their party back to life with a plan that has no chance of passing.
Posted by: Shiggz at May 27, 2011 09:03 AM (mLAWK)
I'll bet your plan is the same as someguy's, huh?
Yep - but Sarah Palin is still unelectable. So says Ace who thought Ryan was teh WON. Amazingly stupid. Does shine a light on Cheney's comments regarding Ryan. Basically, you are good boy now run along and don't get in the way.

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 27, 2011 10:37 AM (Q5+Og)

120 But Jonah's right. Those in the "that's not the hill I want to die on" wing of the GOP need to understand that their hill has been chosen for them. Time to fight.
Why is it that the idea of Boehner and co. rallying for a fight makes me think of this:
http://tinyurl.com/6fjho6

Posted by: yinzer at May 27, 2011 10:38 AM (/Mla1)

121 It's up to us not the GOP to get the message out.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at May 27, 2011 10:38 AM (08Pe8)

122 Two words: Death Panels.

Use them like the silver cross on a vampire, when Dems talk mediscare.

Posted by: Steve Poling at May 27, 2011 10:40 AM (db5YN)

123 I'm presently conflicted myself. My widowed mother will be approaching the age in the next 5 to 10 years where she may need assisted living or worse case, nursing home care. Medicare assistance is based on your assets 5 years prior to the time services are needed. I have put off moving her assets like every other person I know has done for their parent/parents. She has the assets to pay for this care and it's my inheritance but it seems wrong to play the game. Right now I'm planning on being her assisted care facility when the time comes and if I can't do it we'll just pay ourself.

Posted by: polynikes-Romney supporter at May 27, 2011 10:44 AM (T8iAI)

124 "35 ... A) nobody wants to take their medicine, and B) any shitbag over the age of 18 gets to vote.

We are going to ride this bitch all the way down."

Empire of Jeff, both the bearer of caustic levity and the bringer of inescapable truth.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 27, 2011 10:45 AM (AZGON)

125 Repub talking point:

Obamacare will kill Medicare

We need to repeal Obamacare to save Medicare

Posted by: Prof. Heinz Doofensmirtz at May 27, 2011 10:52 AM (Ilq6M)

126 ugh I think I may start drinking heavily early for this holiday weekend
it's happy hour somewhere, right?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 10:52 AM (7mSYS)

127 We are going to ride this bitch all the way down.

It's fun right up to the explosion. Yeeeee Haawwww

Posted by: Zombie Major King Kong at May 27, 2011 10:55 AM (tf9Ne)

128 ugh I think I may start drinking heavily early for this holiday weekendit's happy hour somewhere, right?

Thanks for reminding me. I need to pick up a case on the way home for the weekend.
I am thinking of trying something exotic.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:56 AM (wuv1c)

129 Well I do think we have to be honest with ourselves - someguy does have half a point, the public is not going to elect someone who says they want to completely get rid of Medicare even though that is what my cold black evil libertarian heart desires. What that means is taking the position that government should provide for old-age health care, and really meaning it too.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 10:56 AM (7mSYS)

130 Nice...

OT - Poland: Legendary Anti-Communist Hero Lech Walesa Refuses to Meet With Obama…

Note, this isn't a snub of the United States, only of the man who unfortunately "leads" it at the moment.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2011 10:57 AM (9hSKh)

131 I am thinking of trying something exotic.

You can buy lap dancers at the state store?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 10:57 AM (7mSYS)

132 I am thinking of trying something exotic.You can buy lap dancers at the state store?
you mean erotic.

I was thinking of Lancaster Milk Stout. It's expensive, but it is a holiday weekend.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:59 AM (wuv1c)

133 The 'Conservative' position is now to do whatever it takes to save Medicare.

Yeah, "conservatives" like these:
Among the moderate Republicans who opposed the stringent House plan were
Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Scott Brown of
Massachusetts and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, a
"tea party" favorite, opposed the plan because it doesn't actually
balance and would add trillions of dollars to the U.S. debt.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (M9Ie6)

134 OT - Poland: Legendary Anti-Communist Hero Lech Walesa Refuses to Meet With Obama…

hmm - from the article it sounds like this isn't so much a put-down of Obama, but Walesa being insulted that he didn't get a personal invite...

meh what is it about peace prizes - it goes to your head or something

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (7mSYS)

135 132 I am thinking of trying something exotic.

You can buy lap dancers at the state store?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 10:57 AM (7mSYS)

I was thinking of something like a beer fountain or cherubs pissing beer or something.

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (RD7QR)

136 If you missed the video of Rand Paul grilling her
yesterday, find it. He flat-out asked her (re the Financial Regulation
bill!) if she was going to start going through gun registrations with no
cause. She refused to answer him. She said she had an appt. He said,
"I'll only keep you 10 minutes; answer the question."At one point he told her she was making something up and her mouth just about hit the table.
Link??

Posted by: beedubya at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (AnTyA)

137 exotic, erotic - I often get the two mixed up

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (7mSYS)

138 I think using Medicare as a tool to win 2012 votes is stupid and dangerous.

We have ObamaCare, jobs, deficits, housing, the economy, Israel's betrayal, ...

Posted by: Cherry π at May 27, 2011 11:00 AM (+sBB4)

139 I would much rather see the programs implode under their own weight.

Posted by: Prof. Heinz Doofensmirtz at May 27, 2011 11:01 AM (Ilq6M)

140 Well I normally drink Yuengling, so exotic to me is anything that isn't Yuengling or some Pepsi-type mass produced bear.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:01 AM (wuv1c)

141 the public is not going to elect someone who says
they want to completely get rid of Medicare even though that is what my
cold black evil libertarian heart desires. What that means is taking the
position that government should provide for old-age health care, and
really meaning it too.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 10:56 AM (7mSYS)
Which candidate is saying get rid of Medicare, for crying out loud? I'm all for providing health care to poor people. But if the gummint is paying for your health care, you damn sure better die broke. Fuck your heirs.
Oh, and, make the same health care decisions you would if you were paying with your money and not ours. Peoples' health is a shitload more important to them when someone else is paying.But health care to old people, just because they're old? Gee, it'd be nice, but how are we gonna pay for it?

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 11:01 AM (1fanL)

142 Until the age of gunpowder, most casualties on the battlefield occurred only after one side broke and ran, whereupon they were run down and slaughtered.

Like most metaphors, this one is inexact, but the first side which loses heart during this confrontation over entitlements will be the one that gets sabered from behind by a leering horseman.

Don't let it be you, GOP. Do you really want Chuck Schumer taking you from the rear?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:01 AM (R8y66)

143 *beer

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:02 AM (wuv1c)

144 Don't let it be you, GOP. Do you really want Chuck Schumer taking you from the rear?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:01 AM (R8y66)

[Insert Barney Frank imitation here]

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 11:03 AM (RD7QR)

145 145
Oh myyyy!

Posted by: George Takei at May 27, 2011 11:04 AM (Z05lF)

146 Which candidate is saying get rid of Medicare, for crying out loud?

well, none, but I see plenty of people here at the HQ who say things like "get government out of healthcare entirely" - and I agree with that, but that position isn't going to sell, so I don't think we should hold it against R candidates when they put forward a plan that would 'save' and 'strengthen' Medicare

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:05 AM (7mSYS)

147 Do you really want Chuck Schumer taking you from the rear?

Your place or mine?

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at May 27, 2011 11:05 AM (7mSYS)

148 Part of me doesn't know why we're fighting so hard to "save" medicare. Its already broke, and its not going to be there by the time I'm allowed to retire, which will be about ten years after I'm worm fodder. Fuck granny. Lazy bitch should get off the couch and earn her drugs whorin' like everyone else.

On the other hand the battle's been joined, so we have to win it. Bastards.

Posted by: Iblis at May 27, 2011 11:06 AM (9221z)

149 Thanks for reminding me. I need to pick up a case on the way home for the weekend.
I am thinking of trying something exotic.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:56 AM (wuv1c)

That sounds gay enough to be invited to play shirtless beer-pong with us.

Posted by: Jon Favreau at May 27, 2011 11:06 AM (AnTyA)

150 Don't worry, the republican brain trust will be sucking their thumbs and rolled up in the fetal position every time a dem makes the mediscare claim. It's how we roll.

Posted by: Marie at May 27, 2011 11:07 AM (W7Seu)

151 Lazy bitch should get off the couch and earn her drugs whorin' like everyone else.

god why does that remind me of the scene from 1984 when Winston Smith has sex with a toothless whore... ugh

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:10 AM (7mSYS)

152 Thanks for reminding me. I need to pick up a case on the way home for the weekend.
I am thinking of trying something exotic.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:56 AM (wuv1c)
The queen said she really liked the six-pack of Old English 40s Barry and Moose brought as a hostess gift. Is that exotic enough?

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:11 AM (Ew27I)

153 Don't let it be you, GOP. Do you really want Chuck Schumer taking you from the rear?

Is that a trick question?

Posted by: Jim McGreevey at May 27, 2011 11:11 AM (zgZzy)

154 This thread is totally hawt!!

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:11 AM (GvYeG)

155 Thanks for reminding me. I need to pick up a case on the way home for the weekend.
I am thinking of trying something exotic.


Get a case of Glenfiddich beer aint gonna cut it anymore.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 27, 2011 11:12 AM (tf9Ne)

156 There's a prime front page yahoo article about how Michelle is impressing the Europeans and Euro royalty. What a lovely, beautiful, classy lady!

Posted by: AOS's #1 Rules Follower & PR Dept. at May 27, 2011 11:12 AM (/Mla1)

157 157 There's a prime front page yahoo article about how Michelle is impressing the Europeans and Euro royalty. What a lovely, beautiful, classy lady!





She's the "It Girl" when it comes to fashion!

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2011 11:13 AM (zgZzy)

158 Well we need to go on the offense and tell the public the straight harsh truth. Either we choose the democrats plan to move to public health care and encourage death panels to define cost effectiveness protocols such that stuff that hits the old and never productive just isn't covered and we have government employees with the usual very high hurdle to fire them if they are crappy deciding whether to hasten these sick folks to the grave by not even bringing them water (ala NHS UK) --and only those with really deep pockets to directly buy better care or caring family that will take time to provide for them make it through this virtual "Logans run" system.

OR we embrace Ryan's plan or since we cant start till 2013 a more aggressive approach to market based reforms. We need to take back the "sustainability and fairness" theme that the marxists have co-opted in general. THEY OWN the unsustainable system we have now and their death panel solutions are far less fair then gradually making the future seniors assume the costs of their own health care with medicaid for the impoverished seniors. It really IS that simple and I think the nation can understand it if its put out there in basic black and white terms.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 27, 2011 11:14 AM (m+nIW)

159 Yes, Mrs. Obama is a role model for my wife and our children. We subscribe to her gardening newsletter as well.

Posted by: Cherry π at May 27, 2011 11:14 AM (+sBB4)

160 Just get a bottle of Everclear.

Everclear: When "drunk" is just a pit stop in the race to blacking out.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:14 AM (R8y66)

161 We subscribe to her gardening newsletter as well.

Sweet potatoes! Get herhints for growing sweet potatoes!

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2011 11:15 AM (zgZzy)

162 It doesn't matter, none of it matters, They have the MFM and Supreme Sorcerer Soros behind everything they say and do. The GOP could show live streaming video of the Dems butchering babypolar bearscontinuously for days, on a loop, and the MFM would spin it to say they were solving the food shortage crisissuffered bythe indigenous inuitsin the arctic circle whose igloos are evaporating due to blue staters drivingSUVs.Or something equally outrageous. It's a losing battle, we should just go with the prettiest man with the best veneers and nicest show hair (Perry?) and call it a day. I'm so sick of it all.

Posted by: Miss Anthrope at May 27, 2011 11:15 AM (+vyxE)

163 I take a copy of the lovely First Lady's speech on childhood nutrition with me every time I go to the grocery store.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:16 AM (R8y66)

164 155
This thread is totally hawt!!

Trolling for more IDF women pics (or video, perhaps)?

Very well, your wish is granted.

IDF Israel female soldiers


/YouTube vid. SFW, I think.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 27, 2011 11:16 AM (9hSKh)

165 That would be RED staters. Fail.

Posted by: Miss Anthrope at May 27, 2011 11:17 AM (+vyxE)

166 Politicians are primarily concerned with keeping their cushy-ass jobs. They will NOT keep their cushy-ass jobs by telling boomers they are going to have to suck it up and take a hit on their SS and Medicare payments.

They will suck any dick to get reelected, and right now, they're just teasing the tip of "Medicare will be fine - we'll just tax greedy business owners and high income earners." Next year at this time, the Dems are going to throat that sucker down to the balls.
Let's see... Based on what I know of human nature, will most people decide to face the consequences of their piss-poor decisions, or vote for the guy who promises to pop the titty back in their mouths?

It's the curse of our affluent society.

No one has had to suffer true economic pain and deprivation in the last couple of generations. But it's coming.

Rally to me. We will TAKE what we want from the ashes of our republic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 11:17 AM (FI38b)

167 IDF Israel female soldiers /YouTube vid. SFW, I think.


Decadence!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 27, 2011 11:18 AM (zgZzy)

168 Kratos is da man ...

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:18 AM (GvYeG)

169 Let's see... Based on what I know of human nature, will most people decide to face the consequences of their piss-poor decisions, or vote for the guy who promises to pop the titty back in their mouths?
And now that we've crossed the line and over 50% of Americans are receiving some form of welfare, I think we may have crossed the point of no return.

Posted by: yinzer at May 27, 2011 11:19 AM (/Mla1)

170 It is tough, being totally hawt, but I have adapted to the endless attention ...

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (GvYeG)

171 Rally to me. We will TAKE what we want from the ashes of our republic.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 11:17 AM (FI38b)

So can we get tits from the ashes? Because that was the part I was paying attention to.

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (RD7QR)

172 "If 'electability uber alles' is your credo, you are never going to fix these problems"

You can't fix problems without votes ... and the Senate voting down Ryan's plan was proof of this. Don't you guys get it? We can't fix things if we are not in office.

So, electability uber alles allows us to set the agenda AFTER we have the power to IMPLEMENT that agenda.

Goddamnit, spend four seconds thinking strategically. Stop. Talking. About. Cutting. Voters'. Money. Shut, the fuck, up ... just put these plans in the freezer until AFTER we win. Then let's talk about it all fucking day long.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (iIQ0a)

173 Repub talking point:



Obamacare will kill Medicare



We need to repeal Obamacare to save Medicare

Posted by: Prof. Heinz Doofensmirtz at May 27, 2011 10:52 AM (Ilq6M)^ This. We need to grab the vernacular. "Planned Genocide," "Obama Death Panels" "The Republican and the Communist parties" are some of my new favorites. The libtards get really testy when you even call them "socialists."
As for Medicare, Allen West has taken to saying, "If we don't fix Medicare, there won't be anything." Pithy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Medicare recipients get subjected to the "panels" beginning next year?
Also, projections for Medicaid are that it will be out of business by 2016.Re Va.'s suit against O-Care, the judges requested documents that our local rag reported indicate they're looking for justification to call it a "tax" rather than a "mandate."

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:21 AM (Ew27I)

174 Oh, and I hate means-testing. It penalizes people who plan ahead. I have a better idea: care-testing. The gummint will care about your health as much as you do. Do you smoke? Fuck off. Drink 'til it causes you health problems? Fuck off. Are you so obese that you have diabetes and your toes are rotting off? Hope you die quickly. Did you wait until that lump in your breast started oozing out? That's natural selection. Did you bring this health "emergency" on yourself? See above.

It's the hypocrisy that chaps my ass. Nobody gives a shit about their health until it's time to go to the hospital and run up huge bills.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 11:21 AM (1fanL)

175 The RINO caucus split up on Ryan's plan.
I think that is actually more telling than the 3 chickenshit defects and Paul's vanity one.

Kirk, who could have very, very easily chickened out since he reps the bluest state (besides Browns) for a Republican in the Senate, and even wobbled but came down on the side of backing Ryan.

Fuck, Grahamnesty and Juan McCain did too.
There are many who really, truly get it. They may irk the fuck out of us because of their waffle but in a critical vote they DID stick with Ryan.

The fact that there wasn't a deluge of defections (like say 10 or more) shocked me, honestly.

Governors like Walker, Kasich, Daniels, and Christie all get it. Hell, Cuomo gets it and he's a fucking liberal from New York.

We need to explain and defend the Ryan plan, then push the debate on Obamas LACK of a plan. Take the words of the Bipartisan Commission members who grumbled about Obama. Take CLINTON'S word about Ryan and medicare. He said it was "the wrong plan" but at least "something that understands the seriousness of the problem".

Use every possible soundbite, quote, and fact, SIMPLIFIED, to show who is really going to fuck the seniors and the young the most. Our party had a stronger backbone than I expect, build off it and fight.

This is the hill for any Republican to die on, and if they do, they did so with a real try to fix the mess.

Posted by: CAC at May 27, 2011 11:22 AM (JEVge)

176 ""Everclear: When "drunk" is just a pit stop in the race to blacking out.""



Thats funny shit. I use everclear to dissolve shellac flakes for french polishing. Seems a crime really.

Even more crazy is the will power you need not to drink the shit while you are polishing your ass off. lol

Posted by: Berserker at May 27, 2011 11:22 AM (FMbng)

177 At some point, we need to convince America to go along with making entitlement programs sustainable enough so that we don't have a collapse.

Are they smart enough to know we can't max out the credit card forever? There is plenty of evidence they are not. But we have to try.

Might as well have this discussion in 2012. I'm not saying be morons about how to politically manipulate the message. But we have the truth on our side. The democrats do not, as their plan for medicare is to ignore its fiscal problems until it collapses. Many actually want this collapse for a Cloward Pivens new economic takeover.

We gotta get that across.

Posted by: Dustin at May 27, 2011 11:23 AM (Q3nWV)

178 And now that we've crossed the line and over 50% of Americans are receiving some form of welfare, I think we may have crossed the point of no return
I am starting to think our best bet is a state tries to leave the union.
Texas is the prime candidate. It has water, access to the ocen via the Gulf, a strong economy, natural resources, and a heavily armed and independent minded population.
How long can states like Illinois leech off of states like Texas? How long can states stay solvent when the federal government forces them to spend on things like medicare, obamacare and the like?

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:23 AM (wuv1c)

179 #170 Sure, if one assumes the last 10% or so of them are thrilled to be receiving benefits rather than working at the jobs they just lost.

There are a lot of down and out people who are there through no fault of their own, and are positively mortified they have to rely on assistance. Do not assume that all of the post-2008 crash people are planning to be lifetime dependents.

If one cannot get a job, one cannot get a job. Get the Democrats off the economy's back, and see how many of the recently unemployed choose to remain that way.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:24 AM (R8y66)

180 Are they smart enough to know we can't max out the credit card forever? There is plenty of evidence they are not. But we have to try.
You want proof that they are not?
Look at the percentage of Americans with massive credit card debt. Why should they act any differently on a federal level, especially when they don't have to pay the credit card bills they rack up?

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:24 AM (wuv1c)

181 You can't fix problems without votes ... and the
Senate voting down Ryan's plan was proof of this. Don't you guys get it?
We can't fix things if we are not in office.

So, electability uber alles allows us to set the agenda AFTER we have
the power to IMPLEMENT that agenda.

Goddamnit, spend four seconds thinking strategically. Stop. Talking.
About. Cutting. Voters'. Money. Shut, the fuck, up ... just put these
plans in the freezer until AFTER we win. Then let's talk about it all
fucking day long.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (iIQ0a)
Is that what the Democrats did? With ObamaCare? How's that working out? You have to sell it to the public at some point. You're going to fool the whole country? Don't be a dumbass.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 11:24 AM (1fanL)

182 Those Democrat scum bags are more than willing to trash the country to save their own worthless butts.

Posted by: rplat at May 27, 2011 11:25 AM (4vq8i)

183 Democrats to Chinese folk doctor: Dr. Chou, the Republicans say we are going to have to cut off our medicare penis. Is that so?
Dr. Chou: No, not true.
Dems: (Sigh of relief).
Dr. Chou: In five years it fall off all by itself.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 27, 2011 11:26 AM (B4Wbw)

184 So, electability uber alles allows us to set the agenda AFTER we have the power to IMPLEMENT that agenda.

Here's the problem, someguy: if you try to run the stealth candidate then conservative voters will be suspicious and the candidate will lose votes from the base. At some point you end up losing more than you gain by trying to conceal more and more things. So I agree with the broad principle that you shouldn't just put it all out there, because that will just end up scaring people into the arms of the Dems but we can't be too clever for our own good.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:26 AM (7mSYS)

185 I am starting to think our best bet is a state tries to leave the union.

Everyone gets freaked out when you say "Constitutional Convention," but really, what have we got to lose at this point?

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:26 AM (Ew27I)

186 ""I take a copy of the lovely First Lady's speech on childhood nutrition with me every time I go to the grocery store.""

I take my copy to the crapper, why waste good toilet paper.

Posted by: Berserker at May 27, 2011 11:26 AM (FMbng)

187 Living in Texas pretty much rocks ... and being totally hawt is nice too ...

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:27 AM (GvYeG)

188 #183
That is the sick thing- look how many Democrats have already announced their retirement going into 2012. Or how many did in 2010.
They see what is coming, and they know it is ugly.

I wouldn't be shocked if there are even more retirements, some surprising, going into next year.
They can always run again once the smoke clears (like many who lost in 1980 and 1994 did in 1986 and 1998/2000).

Posted by: CAC at May 27, 2011 11:27 AM (JEVge)

189 Everyone gets freaked out when you say "Constitutional Convention," but really, what have we got to lose at this point?
who will be writing it.
The constitution we have is damn near perfect, do you think we could do better now.
Let's say we did better, wouldn't courts over the next 200 years just neuter it , and legilators ignore it as they are now?

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:28 AM (wuv1c)

190 8 I heard Ryan on Medved yesterday, and he hit hard on the idea that doing nothing isn't an option. The system goes broke in 9 years. Medved asked him about the disconnect between the public's understanding that the system is unsustainable and must be changed, vs. their insistence that their benefits not be touched. Ryan was diplomatic, and said that public education was the answer. He's right, but it will take time and repetition before the average person really accepts that things must change for them.
Posted by: pep at May 27, 2011 08:32 AM (GMG6W)
But math is hard.

Posted by: The Public at May 27, 2011 11:28 AM (B4Wbw)

191 #170 Sure, if one assumes the last 10% or so of them are thrilled to be
receiving benefits rather than working at the jobs they just lost.

But if you've been the recipient of government welfare in the past, you are less likely to advocate cutting it in the future. That is why these leftist groups organize these "sign people up for bennies" drives to get people to sign up for free shit, because they want to create an emotional connection between the citizen and the state. When the people believe that the state cares for them as much as their own parents might, then we're doomed.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:29 AM (7mSYS)

192 That chicken joke was funny three years and 6000 telling/writings ago.
It is just not funny anymore.
It is racist as well. Everyone knows democrats love fried chicken.

and Trump hair jokes are also out.
If I had banning powers, I would never leave the house. Except for hand lotion...for the porn.

Posted by: Antiocher at May 27, 2011 11:29 AM (rSZdh)

193 Everyone gets freaked out when you say "Constitutional Convention," but really, what have we got to lose at this point?
well, do you really want this current crop of congresscritters rewriting the First Amendment?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:30 AM (7mSYS)

194 #170 Sure, if one assumes the last 10% or so of them are thrilled to be receiving benefits rather than working at the jobs they just lost.There are a lot of down and out people who are there through no fault of their own, and are positively mortified they have to rely on assistance. Do not assume that all of the post-2008 crash people are planning to be lifetime dependents.If one cannot get a job, one cannot get a job. Get the Democrats off the economy's back, and see how many of the recently unemployed choose to remain that way.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:24 AM (R8y66)
Good point, but here's another one. Take off that 10% if you wish, but then add in government employees at all levels. That's about 10%of the population, correct? And that 10% also is a group that will primarily vote D, as they're essentially on the teet as well, they just have to work for it to some degree.
Then you have govt. contractors, who even knows how many of those there are.

Posted by: yinzer at May 27, 2011 11:30 AM (/Mla1)

195 I don't understand why the focus is on medicare instead of medicaid and food stamps. Medicare is used to help people who have paid into the system. Medicaid and food stamps are paid to people using the system.

Posted by: chillin the most at May 27, 2011 11:30 AM (6IV8T)

196 someguy: " just put these
plans in the freezer until AFTER we win. Then let's talk about it all
fucking day long."

Sure, we'll talk about it all day long-for about a week. Then we need to put it back on the shelf to start working on getting us a filibuster-proof Senate. Meanwhile, the band plays on. The longer we wait, the more painful it will be to fix the problem.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:31 AM (R8y66)

197 8 Medved asked him about the disconnect between the public's understanding that the system is unsustainable and must be changed, vs. their insistence that their benefits not be touched. Ryan was diplomatic, and said that public education was the answer. He's right, but it will take time and repetition before the average person really accepts that things must change for them.
Posted by: pep at May 27, 2011 08:32 AM (GMG6W)
Because Brawndo has electrolytes.
Because it has what plants crave.

Posted by: The Public at May 27, 2011 11:31 AM (B4Wbw)

198 Empire of Jeff / George Orwell 2016:

Because By Then, You'll Beg To Suck Our Dicks For A Pack Of Ramen Noodles.

And We Have Plenty Of Ramen Noodles.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 11:31 AM (FI38b)

199 Empire of Jeff / George Orwell 2016: Because By Then, You'll Beg To Suck Our Dicks For A Pack Of Ramen Noodles. And We Have Plenty Of Ramen Noodles.

PSA: Sucking dick is a great way to get much needed proteins.

Posted by: The Post-Collapse Government at May 27, 2011 11:33 AM (wuv1c)

200 Evil Republicans are going to make you pay for all this free shit!

Posted by: Democrats at May 27, 2011 11:34 AM (FcR7P)

201 And here is one big flaw in the Constitution: the procedure for calling a convention relies on Congress accepting petitions from the states to convene a convention. There's nothing stopping Congress from saying "that petition from Texas is invalid because it doesn't look exactly like the petition from Missouri", or whatever. So basically 3/4ths of the states would have to pass exactly identical petitions, in a short enough time to stop the D's from sabotaging it Wisconsin-style, AND have a Congress willing to accept the petitions at all. The odds are pretty much next to nil.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:34 AM (7mSYS)

202 It was Rep. Patrick McHenry of NC who more or less called Warren a liar. Can't find the video of Rand Paul asking her about the gun registration stuff yet. (video included)

Rand also asked Cass Sunstein if he's trying to ban hunting and if he's working on animal rights.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:35 AM (Ew27I)

203 Everybody just move to Texas, we've got lots of room ... ya'll come on down.

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:36 AM (GvYeG)

204 Because By Then, You'll Beg To Suck Our Dicks For A Pack Of Ramen Noodles.

Can't we get illegals to do this kind of work we don't want to do? Talk about working cheap. I saw ramen at Kroger yesterday for 18 cents. I remember when it used to be nine cents.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:38 AM (Ew27I)

205 204 Everybody just move to Texas, we've got lots of room ... ya'll come on down.
Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:36 AM (GvYeG)

Well, yes, but much of the free space is in the desert...

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 11:38 AM (RD7QR)

206 9 My worry is that no one seems able to explain Ryan's plan better then Ryan. When you see other members of congress confronted with it they just come off as confused while the Democrats (as usual) have no problem lying their heads off about it. A lot of the older generation grew up very poor even if they are moderately wealthy now. The money and healthcare scare works very well on them. I know of older women who are millionaires who claim that rising healthcare costs will force them to have to live on cat food. Its insane, its pure emotionalism but god damn it, its such of a potent weapon against Republicans. We need people out there just nonstop explaining and reassuring because that is what you have to do with the elderly.
Posted by: Drew in MO at May 27, 2011 08:37 AM (IRpuf)
I can explan i, maybe not in detail, but they don't care about the details anyway:
IT COSTS MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE GOT!! KEEP THIS SHIT UP AND YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE CATFOOD!! YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL NECESSARILYAND RIGHTFULLYDRAG YOUR USELESS ASS OUT TO THE TUNDRA, BECAUSE YOU HAVE LEFT THEM WITH NOTHING AT THE END OF THIS PONZI SCHEME!! AAAH!!! AAAHHHH!!!! AAHHH!!!

Posted by: Zombie Sam Kennison at May 27, 2011 11:39 AM (B4Wbw)

207 204
Everybody just move to Texas, we've got lots of room ... ya'll come on down.

Well my sister lives in Texas so if the SHTF for realz then I'll have a place to go. Plus I think I can make my chemical knowledge of value to someone down there.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:39 AM (7mSYS)

208 #206 ... not necessarily

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:39 AM (GvYeG)

209 Goddamnit, spend four seconds thinking strategically. Stop. Talking. About. Cutting. Voters'. Money. Shut, the fuck, up ... just put these plans in the freezer until AFTER we win. Then let's talk about it all fucking day long.
Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (iIQ0a)
Someguy,have. You. Ever. Noticed. That. All. The. Candidates. Who. Say. They. Won't. Cut. Medicare. Don't. Cut. Medicare?
Your plan is to basically delude yourself into believing that a candidate who says they won't cut medicare will turn around and do so once they get elected. So who do we support in the primary? The guy who is most emphatic about not touching Medicare?
As for "we" putting our plans in the freezer...I hate to break it to you, but any Machiavellian plans "we" make don't amount to shit. Other people are getting elected, and "we" don't have any control over them beyond electing them.
If we elect a guy who says he isn't going to touch Medicare, we can't put much pressure on him after he's elected to do so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 27, 2011 11:39 AM (FkKjr)

210 Well I normally drink Yuengling, so exotic to me is anything that isn't Yuengling or some Pepsi-type mass produced bear.

Penn Pilsner! Penn Pilsner!

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 11:40 AM (XyjRQ)

211 I'm counting on the fact that the leeches are too lazy to vote and that enough responsible recipients who do vote get the message.

Posted by: polynikes-Romney supporter at May 27, 2011 11:40 AM (T8iAI)

212 As for Medicare, Allen West has taken to saying, "If we don't fix Medicare, there won't be anything."

This seems the correct strategy. Democrats are driving as fast as they can on an empty tank of gas. Republicans want to pull over at gas stations.

Posted by: t-bird at May 27, 2011 11:41 AM (FcR7P)

213 212 I'm counting on the fact that the leeches are too lazy to vote and that enough responsible recipients who do vote get the message.
Posted by: polynikes-Romney supporter at May 27, 2011 11:40 AM (T8iAI)

1. Herd them onto a bus
2. Promise them booze and smokes to pull the lever for the D.
3. Drop them off again.

It's that simple. This is what most "community activists" do with their time: pay off the parasites to vote for their guy.

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 11:43 AM (RD7QR)

214 Everyone does get all heated up worrying about an Article V convention. But they are forgetting several key points:

1. It would not be the current crop of congress critters attending it. Electors would be nominated by the States in what manner they decide.

2. Each State will get only one vote on each matter proposed. There are actually more Red States than there are Blue States.

3. Nothing could be worse than what we have now. The courts and the Democrats (redundant) ignore the one we have now. We could put some teeth in the next rewrite to limit the power of the courts.

Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 11:43 AM (M9Ie6)

215 Can't we get illegals to do this kind of work we don't want to do? 

Good luck keeping a man with THAT attitude. This is exactly the type of laziness that is ruining our country.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 11:45 AM (FI38b)

216 Living in Texas pretty much rocks ... and being totally hawt is nice too ...
This August after 90 consecutive days of over 100 degree temperatures and the hot water heater has been turned off cause the tap water is plenty warm enough I'm gonna check back with you about how nice that hawtness is.

Posted by: Bob Saget has a picture of Alex Trebek at May 27, 2011 11:46 AM (F/4zf)

217 21 All of you people who are advocating "means testing" for SS and Medicare need to be careful what you wish for. That is EXACTLY what happened with the income tax and numerous other federal programs. They start out as "punishing" the rich and pretty soon the "rich" is defined as anyone who actually has a job. In short, the SS and Medicare programs will become just another welfare program.
Posted by: Vic at May 27, 2011 08:53 AM (M9Ie6)
I prefer an honest welfare program over a deceitful Ponzi scheme.My SS and Medicare money has already been spent, as has my children's and my children's children. Were starting onmy children's children's children now.

Posted by: Zombie Sam Kennison at May 27, 2011 11:47 AM (B4Wbw)

218 Well my sister lives in Texas so if the SHTF for
realz then I'll have a place to go. Plus I think I can make my chemical
knowledge of value to someone down there.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 11:39 AM (7mSYS)
People may think chemjeff isn't being sarcastic.He's fucking golden and he knows it. He can dictate his own terms with the oil and gas business down there.Texas is the ONLY state to be in. The wife and I have been having conversations about moving there.

Posted by: Jon Favreau at May 27, 2011 11:48 AM (AnTyA)

219 Curious not stirring shit up yet? Maybe at happy hourshe met a nice mentally challenged young man and she took him back to her parent's basement for a late night of ecstasy. Some poor soul is waking up right now wondering what he's gotten himself into.

Posted by: yinzer at May 27, 2011 11:49 AM (/Mla1)

220 Texas is the ONLY state to be in. The wife and I have been having conversations about moving there.

You should do it. Did it three years ago, moved from Illinois. Haven't regretted it. A bit.

Given that you're reading this blog, think you would nicely offset some leftoid geech fleeing from california to settle in Austin too.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 11:51 AM (XyjRQ)

221 And in Texa,s there are "totally hawt zones", so all the really good lookingpeople live around each other. It's totally voluntary. The IDF babes visit regularly..

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:52 AM (GvYeG)

222 Something along the lines of: (paraphrasing here) Drawing comparisons between a certain public figure and a fictional character who some see as a stand-in for a racial stereotype is 6,000 kinds of unfunny and vicious, and it is totally counterproductive in getting people to vote for us has been said here recently, and expounded on at great length and repetitively.

Maybe it's time to use that same prism to look at our constant assertions that the American people are too stupid and selfish, and we should: A)Back off talking about plans to reform entitlements so we can garner more votes or, B)Just let the whole thing burn down and start over. Even if A is true, how do we get people to vote for us by calling them irresponsible fucking idiots?

Yeah, I am oversimplifying both cases, and I may be alone in this, but I am getting tired off seeing the "Americans are too <insert insult here> to elect people to do what we here see needs doing." After the 6,000th time, it doesn't need to be said again.

And, how does the constant "The GOP is going to shit the bed or just get rolled" laments help us or them? At what point did they just stop hearing us when we called them pussies? I'd wager sometime before the 6000th time.

We seem better at attacking each other (mea culpa mea culpa mea culpa) and Republicans then we do Democrats and Libtards.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 11:52 AM (R8y66)

223 Chemjeff is on the Protected Rolls. We will need good ordnance men.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 27, 2011 11:52 AM (OW0nw)

224
I was thinking of Lancaster Milk Stout. It's expensive, but it is a holiday weekend.

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 10:59 AM (wuv1c)
It's expensive because milking Lancaster is time-consuming and dangerous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 11:52 AM (LH6ir)

225 I was thinking of Lancaster Milk Stout. It's expensive, but it is a holiday weekend.

Has anyone ever had Kentucky Breakfast Stout? Hearing good things about it.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at May 27, 2011 11:54 AM (XyjRQ)

226 Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 11:20 AM (iIQ0a)

Stop kicking me!

Posted by: the can at May 27, 2011 11:54 AM (LH6ir)

227 who will be writing it.
The constitution we have is damn near perfect, do you think we could do better now.
Let's say we did better, wouldn't courts over the next 200 years just neuter it , and legilators ignore it as they are now?

Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:28 AM

Agree that the Constitution is nearly perfect. Legislators ideally wouldn't come anywhere near it. I thought a C.C. was called by citizens whose rights were being trampled by congress critters.

Getting smart TEA Party types as state representatives wouldn't be hard for the red states. Even the Founders sent tutors to those attending so they'd get the gist of why they're there. Texas historian David Barton sounds like the perfect candidate to tutor and/or conduct it as far as the procedures.

As for reps to a CC from blue states, how many blue states are there compared to red states? The final votes in a CC are a numbers game.

And while the Constitution was a work of genius, we're seeing that it centralized power, or rather, there was a power grab to centralize it to the federal. Reaffirming the power of the states sounds like the most important change we could stress.

Voting out O-care, federal income tax, the Supremes, senators selected by the popular vote, and whatever else massive regulation needs gutted could be decided by those who plan the agenda -- that being a conservative like Butch Otter, gov. of Idaho or a Ken Cucinelli type (the AG of Virginia). We The People would need to vote on all these participants.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:55 AM (Ew27I)

228
What Republicans do not understand, is that this IS a Systemic Threat to the US itself... one we cannot ignore (like the dems wish)....
"In Death Ground, FIGHT" Sun Tzu said...
The question thus becomes, do the Repubs realize this IS Death Ground? Because many of us in the Electorate do...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2011 11:55 AM (NtXW4)

229 I had breakfast in Kentucky once ... nice ...

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 11:55 AM (GvYeG)

230 @Romeo13

O/T

I rarely see you around, so I wasn't able to clarify and, if necessary, apologize for suggesting that you read Stormfront. I was referring to "reactionary," not you.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 11:58 AM (LH6ir)

231 And while the Constitution was a work of genius,
we're seeing that it centralized power, or rather, there was a power
grab to centralize it to the federal. Reaffirming the power of the
states sounds like the most important change we could stress.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:55 AM (Ew27I)
No amendments can fix that. That comes from unelected judges making shit up. If there are rights to be found in a penumbra of the emanation surrounding the Constitution, forget it. If there's such a thing as substantive due process, forget it. If the Commerce Clause allows 'em to regulate our thoughts, forget it.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 11:59 AM (1fanL)

232 god why does that remind me of the scene from 1984 when Winston Smith has sex with a toothless whore... ugh
I haven't been able to get that outta my head for 3 decades. Bastard.
And why is M'Chelle a fashion template? Everything she wares makes her ass look like a blimp. I know the brothers like junk in the trunk, but c'mon! Princess Kate's got style.

Posted by: Iblis at May 27, 2011 11:59 AM (9221z)

233 At what point did they just stop hearing us when we called them pussies?

If we stop they might think we changed our minds. Are you suggesting we agitate for better leadership by a different method or venue? I'm game, anything to get better people promoted to the top.

Posted by: Bob Saget has a picture of Alex Trebek at May 27, 2011 11:59 AM (F/4zf)

234 The Speaker recognizes the gentleman fronm the state of
(First bar of Theme from Sanford and Son plays, Paul Ryan walks up to the podium)
" Mr. Speaker, Members of the House...ahh.. I'm not much on speeches but ... its just so gratifying... to leave you all wallowing in the mess you've made, you're screwed, thank you, bye."
(Paul Ryan walks away fromthe podium while first bar of Theme from Sanford and Son plays again) 

Posted by: Paul Ryan on the House Floor after his Plan is Rejected at May 27, 2011 12:00 PM (B4Wbw)

235 I wonder if an Article V convention could be split. In other words, if one is called, what it the blue state delegates split off and formed their own convention? Instant chaos. There's a potential for a lot of mischief there, which is part of the reason why people are leery of this kind of response.

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 12:00 PM (RD7QR)

236 The constitution we have is damn near perfect, do you think we could do better now.


Posted by: Ben at May 27, 2011 11:28 AM

The trick would be to strengthen the restrictions on the courts and the executive branch so that the will of congress is followed much more closely. And then leave everything else alone.

What scares me is the irresistible urge on the part of most politicians to piss on everything they find, and an Article V convention would be too tempting for them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 27, 2011 12:01 PM (LH6ir)

237
Chemdeff can worky for me.

Posted by: Poncho's #4 Meth Lab at May 27, 2011 12:03 PM (cwFVA)

238 "So I agree with the broad principle that you shouldn't just put it all out there, because that will just end up scaring people into the arms of the Dems but we can't be too clever for our own good."
There are LOTS of OTHER things we can be discussing:
1) The shitty economy2) Unemployment
3) Gas prices
4) Obama bowing to foreigners6) TSA feelups6) Ignoring the Constitution
This is PLENTY to get Republicans elected. Once we control the House, the Senate and the White House, then we can debate all this other entitlement crap till the cows come home and vote on it when we have the power to actually WIN THE VOTE.
If you want these things to pass, you got to get your guys IN FIRST. That is a basic political fact of life.
The media will ALWAYS spin ANY CHANGE to Medicare or Social Security as a draconian Republican cut. It will scare seniors. They will vote Democrat. Always. You'll never, ever get any other message out. Period. End of discussion.
So stop. fucking. talking. about. it. All you're doing is upping Democrat turnout when you should be trying to DEPRESS Democrat turnout.
Once you get in, there's nothing the media can do about it.THEN ... then we can start talking about this shit and voting on it. Whether Republicans would actually do that is a topic for another day, but the bottom line is you can't win if we're not in office.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 12:04 PM (iIQ0a)

239

The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to
alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time
exists, ’till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole People is
sacredly obligatory upon all.”

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 12:07 PM (Ew27I)

240 digs me some draconian ....

Posted by: Totally Hawt Honey Badger ben DOOM! at May 27, 2011 12:08 PM (GvYeG)

241 And while the Constitution was a work of genius, we're seeing that it centralized power, or rather, there was a power grab to centralize it to the federal. Reaffirming the power of the states sounds like the most important change we could stress.
Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2011 11:55 AM (Ew27I) Threethings are key to getting the States balance of Power back...1. The Senate MUST go back to being representatives of the States themselves, as they were intended. Senators should be appointed by State Governments... and I suggest a slight change, where one is appointed by the State Legislature, and one by the State Govenor (and they must be able to be recalled by those they represent).2. The idea of Sovereign Immunity must be destroyed. When a Government cannot be held accountable for following its own rules and laws, by the People themselves, and when a Citizen cannot sue because they cannot proove direct damage (standing issues)... and when you cannot sue a PERSON in the Government who is not doing their job... then the Government is NOT accountable to the people. A Government which cannot be sued by the People, destroys the very Idea of what a REPUBLIC is.3. The idea that the only arbiter of Constitutionality is the Supreme Court itself must go away.... and that they only hear those cases IF they wish must be bypassed. A State Legislature and Governor should be able to pass a Law to FORCE the US Supreme Court to IMMEDIATLY hear a Case... AND the Court MUST be forced to take House Resolutions, Sense of the Senate, AND State Legislatures wishes into account when deciding WHAT the terms of the Constitution means... After all, the Constitution IS a Contract, and you don't give ONE Party to a contract all the power to decide what that contract means...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2011 12:09 PM (NtXW4)

242 In other words, if one is called, what it the blue
state delegates split off and formed their own convention? Instant
chaos. There's a potential for a lot of mischief there, which is part of
the reason why people are leery of this kind of response.

Posted by: joncelli at May 27, 2011 12:00 PM (RD7QR)
Nothing would get done. Gotta have 2/3rds of Congress or states to propose an amendment. Then 3/4ths of states to pass.None would get passed, and it wouldn't matter anyway. We aren't a nation of laws, we're a nation of men.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 12:11 PM (1fanL)

243 After all, the Constitution IS a
Contract, and you don't give ONE Party to a contract all the power to
decide what that contract means...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2011 12:09 PM (NtXW4)
No, it's not a contract. You can walk away from a contract.

Posted by: The Confederacy at May 27, 2011 12:13 PM (1fanL)

244
Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 12:04 PM (iIQ0a)
Sorry... but if we do not talk about those Issues PRE election, then we don't know how the folks we elect will vote on them...
Scott Brown... perfect example... he campaigned as a Fiscal Con... got elected... now a Fiscal Squish...
Entitlements are a Systemic Threat to our way of life... they MUST be fixed... and I for one will know how candidates will vote on those issues...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2011 12:13 PM (NtXW4)

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you can't win if we're not in office.”



Who
is "you?" Am I "you?" Because, if I am, I am not
running for office, and I only win if the people who do get elected actually
fucking do something that somewhat approaches what I want them to do. How
does electing a bunch of fucking ciphers get me there? How are these
"my guys" if they are lying to my face about the existential threat
to this country's financial solvency?



We've
already been where you are trying to get us to go. Remember all those
drawn and scared faces on every politician on September 18th, 2008? That
is where we go. I do not want to go back there. Yeah, let's do a
re-match of Fannie and Freddie, but this time with Medicare. Nice call, Dr. Rove.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 12:15 PM (R8y66)

246 Once you get in, there's nothing the media can do
about it.THEN ... then we can start talking about this shit and voting
on it. Whether Republicans would actually do that is a topic for
another day, but the bottom line is you can't win if we're not in office.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 12:04 PM (iIQ0a)
Democrats: They want to kill grandma.Republicans: *Whistling*Did you notice what happened when the Dems passed ObamaCare? Even though it was massively unpopular? Think. Strategerically. For. Five. Minutes. Dumbass.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 27, 2011 12:16 PM (1fanL)

247 "there's nothing the media can do about it."

LMFAO.

Here it is again, just so I can point at it again and laugh some more:

"there's nothing the media can do about it."

LMFAO.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 27, 2011 12:18 PM (R8y66)

248 What makes me more bitter than anything is that, thanks to the Democrats, I'm going to die sad and alone.

Posted by: Ken at May 27, 2011 12:24 PM (dvQqE)

249 Mediscare has a good chance of working with the GOP LOSERship's notion of fighting back generally being to bend over and meekly take it.

The LOSERship's idea of action is to wait by the phone for another Sunday TV slot talking nicey nicey to left wing media types... LOSERship's vision of success is getting some Sunday TV face time saying just about nothing, while showing off how their latest zombie botox treatment leaves their lilly white forehead without wrinkles with upper lip and cheeks so numb you can't even smile to show teeth...

There's no proactive planning by the LOSERship on how to preemptively plan to some potentially viral ads of the Dem's chaining up the kids as slaves to pay for the neighbor's great gramma hip surgery while great gramps plans their next Caribbean Cruise. Might offend someone, ...

Posted by: drfredc at May 27, 2011 12:26 PM (puRnk)

250 There are LOTS of OTHER things we can be discussing:
1) The shitty economy2) Unemployment
3) Gas prices
4) Obama bowing to foreigners6) TSA feelups6) Ignoring the Constitution
1 through 3 can change for the better. #4 is not going to work anyone up outside of the base (sorry - but squishy people in the burbs may not like it....but it isn't going to drive them to the polls) and #6 (o.k. - which 6, hell, lets go with the first 6) is like number 4. Ditto the second 6.
You know what issue can't go away - debt. There is not a damn thing Obama can do about the debt/deficiet in 2012. And you know what one factor driving that issue is: medicare.
Can't ignore it. Can't. Sorry.
Besides, every 2 years the Donks campaign on the GOP "gutting" medicare.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 27, 2011 12:39 PM (OWjjx)

251 There are LOTS of OTHER things we can be discussing:
1) The shitty economy
2) Unemployment
3) Gas prices
4) Obama bowing to foreigners
6) TSA feelups
6) Ignoring the Constitution


Hey you're absolutely right, so let's talk about those things too. But look - we are also going to talk about entitlements as well because we HAVE to. They are the things that are causing us to go broke. We are talking about it because we demanded it of Republicans when they won back the House.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 12:56 PM (7mSYS)

252 "But look - we are also going to talk about entitlements as well because we HAVE to."
Point 1:No, we do not HAVE to talk about entitlements. We don't control the levers of power and do not have the votes to change the status quo. So, no, we do not have to talk about things that prevent us from getting elected. Yet. Once we have the votes, THEN we can talk about that shit in a way that allows us to actually win the vote.
Point 2: Have Republicans ended NPR funding? No. Then apparently, Republicans believe we have plenty of fucking money because they're still writing checks out of the Ways and Means Committee in the House. So, I dispute your contention that Social Security is causing us to go broke.
I believe that Republicans funding NPR and all the other extraneous things that are funded on the national level such as Education, Energy, PBS, and all the other Democrat Party bullshit is causing us to go broke.
Fix that shit FIRST, dude. Then cometalk to me about everything else. But until you ACT on this sort of shit, we're not going to talk about entitlements. That's the deal. Take it or leave it and if you don't take it we form a third party and you lose anyway.

Posted by: someguy at May 27, 2011 01:09 PM (iIQ0a)

253 I don't think Jonah's characterization of Pompey is accurate. He was actually a very shrewd military campaigner. His strategy would have worked if he hadn't been pressured into abandoning it. He had Caesar's army trapped and cut off from supplies. He wanted to starve them out - just sit and wait until Caesar surrendered. But the senators who were with him insisted on taking the fight to Caesar and ending the civil war in one decisive, "glorious" battle. Pompey knew this could be a mistake; Caesar was a brilliant tactician, and any battle can go against you. But eventually he acceded to the senators' demands, launched his attack ... and lost. Even then it was a narrow loss; the battle could easily have gone the other way, in which case Caesar would be a footnote in history and Pompey might well be remembered as the greatest Roman of them all.

Posted by: sauropod at May 27, 2011 01:30 PM (GPm6P)

254 I believe that Republicans funding NPR and all the other extraneous
things that are funded on the national level such as Education, Energy,
PBS, and all the other Democrat Party bullshit is causing us to go
broke.

That is just mathematically not correct. It's entitlements and other non-discretionary spending that is rising so rapidly. YES the "other Democrat Party bullshit" should go too, that's pretty much a given. But the hard choices are with entitelments and the like.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 01:52 PM (7mSYS)

255 Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2011 01:52 PM (7mSYS)

Don't forget that Obama moved all the porkulous into the "mandatory spending" category this year. So yeah, there is over a trillion that can be cut there.

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