Concealed Weapon: Obama Pushing Gun Control "Under the Radar"

What does that mean?

As usual, it means he'll ignore the constitutional scheme of law-passed-by-Congress-signed-by-President and attempt some executive-only power grab, based on dubious regulations.

Original article here; originally noted by Instapundit.

The couple [Jim and Sarah Brady] reportedly were meeting with press secretary, Jay Carney, when, according to Sarah Brady, the President came in. She said the President told her he wanted to talk about gun control and "fill us in that it was very much on his agenda."

She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

The statement reinforces an article in the Huffington Post describing how the administration is exploring ways to bypass Congress and enact gun control through executive action.

I can't wait to win the White House. Turns out the President has plenary power, like a king, whenever he wishes to have it.

Awesome.

Thanks, guy.


Posted by: Ace at 01:52 PM



Comments

1 It will be interesting to see how the NRA deals with increased regulation. They suck politically, but they are good at challenging the government's creeping gun totalitarianism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 25, 2011 01:54 PM (LH6ir)

2 When he implements laws the evolve from his unearned and unwarranted power . . . ignore them. This poor sick Republic is heading for the abyss.

Posted by: rplat at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (4vq8i)

3 If you ignore the constitution, you can do anything.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (Hx5uv)

4 Good thing I sold all my guns then.

IYKWIM

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (tf9Ne)

5 The Founders acted stupidly.

Posted by: King Barack Hussein Obama I at May 25, 2011 01:56 PM (nj1bB)

6
Yet Obama will run as a conservative in 2012.

Rush said that last week. And he's right. Obama speaks like a conservative and a liberal (often in the same sentence), but governs like a radical left winger.


Posted by: Soothsayer at May 25, 2011 01:56 PM (uFokq)

7 Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 25, 2011 01:56 PM (Hx5uv)

8 Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (tf9Ne)

Me too. What did you "sell?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 25, 2011 01:56 PM (LH6ir)

9 Will the GOP use this gift handed to them on a silver platter. That is the question. Duh is the answer.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 01:57 PM (OlN4e)

10 Whew.. that was close. My boss called and told me get my ass home, don't try and take shelter in the cooler. So I raced home and spent the past 2 hours or so in the basement. One touched down about 6 miles from me. Very small, but still...

Posted by: jewells45 at May 25, 2011 01:57 PM (l/N7H)

11 I read something on the Brady group earlier today. They want to pressure congress to make NEW laws.

My thought is, much like border security. How about we try enforcing the laws that ALREADY EXIST before piling on a bunch of overbearing shit on the LAW ABIDING PUBLIC.

Liberals refuse to understand the fact that LAWS are for the LAW ABIDING. Criminals don't give a flying fuck what laws are on the books. That's why they're called CRIMINALS, you dumb bastards.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 01:58 PM (UK9cE)

12 She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
what a scumbag

Posted by: yinzer at May 25, 2011 01:58 PM (/Mla1)

13 Gabby will makethe perfecthuman shield for my upcomingintifada on the 2nd ammendment.

Posted by: The Palestinian in Chief at May 25, 2011 01:58 PM (GDF5p)

14 ...the administration is exploring ways to bypass Congress and enact gun control through executive action.
See you in the Supreme Court, asshole.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 25, 2011 01:59 PM (sbV1u)

15 From what I read, the federal government is the biggest breaker of gun laws in the country. They just hate to miss out on a chance to arm out downtrodden friends to the south.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 01:59 PM (OlN4e)

16 This is the best news I've heard all day. If true, Sparky has no direct contact with the Clintons - thus no basic knowledge on re-election. They would have told him to never kick that sleeping "gun" dog. Here's hoping teh Won will act unilaterally against the 2nd Admendment. I savor the results of such an act. Please, please let this be true.

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 25, 2011 02:00 PM (Q5+Og)

17 Liberals refuse to understand the fact that LAWS are for the LAW ABIDING. Criminals don't give a flying fuck what laws are on the books. That's why they're called CRIMINALS, you dumb bastards.
Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 01:58 PM (UK9cE)
Jesus Christ, Sponge. You don't really think the liberals give a fuck about crime do you? Thats cover to use the law to disarm us. Thats all.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:01 PM (OlN4e)

18 Finally, a thread I can take out some pent up energy on a common enemy...


Posted by: Papa Editor at May 25, 2011 02:01 PM (Zs83Q)

19 No shit, this is the best news we've heard. This story needs to be pimped hard and strong across the networks and blogs.

Posted by: EC at May 25, 2011 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

20 She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are
working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the
radar."

Most Transparent Administration Evah!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (9hSKh)

21 Obama is da MAN!!!

Posted by: Chicago thug who totally supports the idea of gun control at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (3Okgs)

22 Me too. What did you "sell?"

My collection "was" mostly inexpensive military. Ak47, SKS, MAS 49/56. Then pistols and hunting tools.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (tf9Ne)

23 The Presidency of Negative Liberties.

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (uLilQ)

24 7
Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?


Posted by: WalrusRex at May 25, 2011 01:56 PM (Hx5uv)
I don't think they'll get away with that, but we'll start hearing all sorts of stories of "threats" against the president that were averted at the last minute.But this is a way to lose Pennsylvania. Casey must have his head in his hands over this.Well, not Casey, but Casey's people. Casey is a man only dimly aware of his own existence.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (T0NGe)

25 You dumb redneck hicks with your guns and your bibles.

Don't you get what Obama is doing? It may seem stupid but it's really the right thing to do...

Morons.

Posted by: Judy The E-Mailer at May 25, 2011 02:03 PM (6uiF7)

26 This stuff needs to be a part of the campaign. All his attempts to just end around on congress. All his Czars being his little secret cabinet that he didn't have to get through the Senate.

Posted by: buzzion at May 25, 2011 02:03 PM (oVQFe)

27 They'll have to pry 'Ol' Bessie' (that's what I call my huntin' gun) from the cold, dead fingers of my butler. He answers the door.

Posted by: John Kerry at May 25, 2011 02:03 PM (GDF5p)

28 Obama doesn't need guns he has Mooseshell's ass to protect him

Posted by: Jackhole at May 25, 2011 02:03 PM (+qHxi)

29 Jesus Christ, Sponge. You don't
really think the liberals give a fuck about crime do you? Thats cover to
use the law to disarm us. Thats all.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:01 PM (OlN4e)
Oh, what would make you say that?

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy and the SCOTUS liberals at May 25, 2011 02:04 PM (T0NGe)

30 Checks balances - who needs them! Yay!

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 25, 2011 02:04 PM (136wp)

31 Jesus Christ, Sponge. You don't
really think the liberals give a fuck about crime do you? Thats cover to
use the law to disarm us. Thats all.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:01 PM (OlN4e)


yeah, I know.

It just really pisses me off, though. I mean, why do they want to turn this great country into Europe when they can just GO THERE and reap the benefits of that style of society? Benefits that rival the benefits of being a woman around DSK.


Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:04 PM (UK9cE)

32 Damn, I wish I could sell all my guns but they were stolen last week. All of them.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at May 25, 2011 02:05 PM (LXPet)

33 The Presidency of Negative Liberties.


Posted by: Sgt. York at May 25, 2011 02:02 PM (uLilQ)
Oh, very win.

Posted by: blue star at May 25, 2011 02:05 PM (LkWf0)

34 But the real question is, will the MFM report it?

Haha we know the answer, I mean for fuck sake they don't even report when this guy bombs Africa cause it would hurt his reelection effort.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 25, 2011 02:05 PM (mqrNK)

35 Dennis Miller once said something about this:

"Take away Secret Service protection and all metal detectors around Washington DC for a week and then hear what Congress has to say."

Posted by: EC at May 25, 2011 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

36 Will the GOP use this gift handed to them on a silver platter. That is the question. Duh is the answer.

One reason it's usually better to nominate a very conservative candidate than a squish is that the squishes miss opportunities like this one. A Romney or a Huntsman will obsess with "moving to the center" and fail to speak out against crap like this.

As I've said before, I wouldn't mind choosing a nominee based on electability, provided that candidate were really electable--as opposed to being deemed "electable" by David Frum, David Brooks, and a bunch of other Beltway people who have no idea what the average American thinks.

Posted by: Ken at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (dvQqE)

37 Good thing I sold all my guns then.IYKWIM
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (tf9Ne)
Indeed. All my guns and ammo will be stolen the day the next ban comes into effect.

First they take the guns.
Then they load you on the trains.

Posted by: Reactionary at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (xUM1Q)

38 Question.
Is it legal to sell your firearms to private individuals?

Posted by: Disney at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (wuv1c)

39 If we buy guns it cuts the supply the ATF sends to the Mexican drug gangs. Won't someone think of the Mexican drug gangs?

Posted by: Beagle at May 25, 2011 02:07 PM (sOtz/)

40 She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are
working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the
radar."


This.

This is why we're fucked. This statement alone should have all R's in Congress up in arms and going ape-shit today, but no.

These asshats are sitting on their hands counting their pubic hairs......

I weep for this once great country.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:07 PM (UK9cE)

41 @38. Yes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 25, 2011 02:07 PM (W7Ddq)

42 If Zero has the stupidity to spring this shit prior to the election, that's it, game over for his sorry ass. The GOP has yet another morter to launch. Hope they don't blow their nuts off by standing in front of the tube when they drop it.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:08 PM (OlN4e)

43 Is it legal to sell your firearms to private individuals?

I'm sure it depends on the state but there are no forms currently for private party to private party sales here in MN that I know of.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 02:08 PM (tf9Ne)

44 Dude...I know so many people with guns that would just LOVE for the Douchebag-in-Chief to try a regulatory method of ignoring the 2nd Amendment. And I know plenty of current and retired cops and used to be one myself, and NOT A SINGLE ONE would try to enforce gun control by confiscation. More than a few have made the statement "something that stupid would get a lot of good cops and innocent civilians killed."
IF the Feds ever came a-knockin' on my door for my weapons, I'd gladly give them up...one bullet at a time from the dangerous end..
Politcally I hope that Barry O'Jugears is stoopid enough to actuallt try this. It would be politcal harikari.

Posted by: FreedomFighter at May 25, 2011 02:08 PM (7F9i5)

45 Good thing I sold all my guns then.IYKWIM
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 01:55 PM (tf9Ne)
Indeed. All my guns and ammo will be stolen the day the next ban comes into effect.

First they take the guns.
Then they load you on the trains.
Posted by: Reactionary at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (xUM1Q)

Exactly ! People don't see or believe this.

Posted by: Jackhole at May 25, 2011 02:09 PM (+qHxi)

46 >>>Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

Sure, I think it will be planned by Jack Bauer.

Let's separate fiction from reality.

Posted by: ace at May 25, 2011 02:09 PM (nj1bB)

47 L'ete c'est moi, bitchezzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: King Barry XV at May 25, 2011 02:09 PM (BP6Z1)

48 Posted by: Ken at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (dvQqE)
Agree.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:10 PM (OlN4e)

49 Interpretation: we have no way of achieving gun control. I'm going to tell you it's under the radar so you won't see it. In truth, you won't see it because it won't happen.

Posted by: IE Con at May 25, 2011 02:10 PM (/COcn)

50 From my cold, dead, gunpowder-stained hands.

Posted by: beedubya at May 25, 2011 02:10 PM (AnTyA)

51 These are our civil rights.

How dare our president modify them "under the radar"?

This should be very loudly discussed and debated. Why do they even call themselves "democratic" anymore?

Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 02:10 PM (Q3nWV)

52 Come arrest me MF's. I'll gladly go to jail to defend my right - to defend my family.

Posted by: Cheri at May 25, 2011 02:10 PM (oiNtH)

53 L'etat.

Pardon my French.

P.S. FUIW

Posted by: King Barry XV at May 25, 2011 02:11 PM (BP6Z1)

54 This is why we're fucked. This statement alone should have all R's in Congress up in arms and going ape-shit today, but no.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:07 PM (UK9cE)
Then that's stupid. He hasn't done anything but whisper sweet nothings into some dingbat's ear. Keep the quote and put it in an ad.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy and the SCOTUS liberals at May 25, 2011 02:11 PM (T0NGe)

55 That settles it.

I'm cashing in my 401k and buying weapons.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:11 PM (UK9cE)

56 Off filthy lawyer sock.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 25, 2011 02:11 PM (T0NGe)

57 43 Is it legal to sell your firearms to private individuals?I'm sure it depends on the state but there are no forms currently for private party to private party sales here in MN that I know of.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 02:08 PM (tf9Ne)
Isn't that what the "gun show loophole" boogeyman actually is? That private individuals can sell their guns to private individuals without any checks.

Posted by: buzzion at May 25, 2011 02:12 PM (oVQFe)

58 I lost all my guns in a boating accident, along with all my gold and silver.

Posted by: tommygun at May 25, 2011 02:12 PM (T2ydq)

59 One thing Obama has gotten right since '08 - he's the world's greatest guns and ammo salesman. Looks like business is fixing to pick up again.

Posted by: Bomber at May 25, 2011 02:12 PM (qzoN5)

60 Oooops. I think I struck a nerve.

Posted by: Peter Fonda at May 25, 2011 02:12 PM (hb3OR)

61 Amazing how all these stories keep coming out of the White House that are about anything but the shitty, shitty economy. Isn't it?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 25, 2011 02:13 PM (WNMh/)

62 Ya know that beagle in the side bar, yeah > Obastard

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 25, 2011 02:13 PM (ldUCK)

63 First they take the guns.
Then they load you on the trains.

Posted by: Reactionary at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (xUM1Q)
Yeah, but at least it will be high-speed rail.

Posted by: Joe "Choo Choo" Bidet at May 25, 2011 02:13 PM (CYoZS)

64 Then that's stupid. He hasn't
done anything but whisper sweet nothings into some dingbat's ear. Keep
the quote and put it in an ad.


Posted by: Anthony Kennedy and the SCOTUS liberals at May 25, 2011 02:11 PM (T0NGe)


Fine.

Problem is, you won't see it from the RNC, or Congress, or any R PAC.

The media won't cover it and the R's won't use it. There are SOOOO MANY quotes from this asshole that weren't used in 08 and won't be used now, we're FUCKED.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:13 PM (UK9cE)

65 "Interpretation: we have no way of achieving gun
control. I'm going to tell you it's under the radar so you won't see
it. In truth, you won't see it because it won't happen.

Posted by: IE Con"

That's possible. He screwed the left on the public option (Though I think the ultimate goal is to screw up healthcare because that's the only way to get to single payer).

Who knows. But these are our civil rights, and no secret discussions about them are acceptable. If Obama is meeting with the Brady bunch, we deserve to know everything about it.

Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 02:13 PM (Q3nWV)

66 From what I read, the federal government is the biggest breaker of gun laws in the country. They just hate to miss out on a chance to arm out downtrodden friends to the south.
Posted by: maddogg

The same Administration that forced gun dealers to sell guns to drug dealers whop then killed at least one Federal officer is now aiming to seize guns from lawful owners. Brilliant.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 25, 2011 02:14 PM (Gzv/o)

67 Luckily for me BJ Clinton started me on hoarding brass, lead and nitrates, It was much cheaper to fill the larder back then.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 02:14 PM (tf9Ne)

68 time for states to start standing up for themselves and citing the 10th in cases like this

Posted by: Chris at May 25, 2011 02:15 PM (jhNhK)

69 And....

Did anyone NOT see this coming?

Posted by: Clueless at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (LyOUH)

70 I'd say this will cost Zero my state but I think since the Dumb Inbred Rednecks here in Arkansas voted Zero down by 13%, it is probably a lost cause anyway. BTW, some of you morons who denigrate my state, What margin of victory did Zero win by in your enlightened, sophisticated, and educated state? Hummm?

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (OlN4e)

71 And from a purely cynical, partisan interest, this is perfect politics for the GOP.

Obama cannot deny this effectively. He's already broken his oath on the limits of executive power with Libya. He's already shown to be a total creep with the IGs.

He can't just refer to some vague promise that we can trust him on the limits of his power, because he's already broken that.

An 'Under the radar' executive power to impose gun control is a narrative Obama should have been smart enough to avoid. This should be a major GOP advertisement, starting today. Every candidate should put out ads explaining that they oppose Obama's promise of "under the radar" gun control.

Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (Q3nWV)

72 This is goodbecause guns kill people. Let the police p[rotect us. I say three cheers for Presadent Obama and talking guns away from idiots that think they are toys !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (48wze)

73 Isn't that what the "gun show loophole" boogeyman
actually is? That private individuals can sell their guns to private
individuals without any checks.

Posted by: buzzion at May 25, 2011 02:12 PM (oVQFe)


The problem comes in if the gun was registered. Gun shows still require proof of sale and a background check, do they not? I mean, I can go to Bass Pro Shops and walk out with a gun in about 30 minutes, can't I? What's different with a gun show?

If you have a registered S/N on a weapon and you sell it, you just need to have proof of the sale. Otherwise you're responsible for that weapon and it's actions going forward whether you own it or not.

I'm guessing here, but that's my take.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (UK9cE)

74 @9: "Duh is the answer."
It was also James Brady's most common comment on the subject. Or any subject, really. That, and drooling.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (xy9wk)

75 >>>Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

Yes I do. That's going in 9/11 truther territory.
However I totally believe that the ATF sold guns to Mexican Cartels in order to prove American guns are being used in Mexican crimes.
That seems to be factual, but I wouldn't buy assassinations. Obama's administration is a sieve, it would leak before it happened.

Posted by: Disney at May 25, 2011 02:17 PM (wuv1c)

76 Of course it's all "under the radar." He's a fucking stealth president, after all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 25, 2011 02:17 PM (UlUS4)

77
@9: "Duh is the answer."
It was also James Brady's most common comment on the subject. Or any subject, really. That, and drooling.


I'm gonna go to hell for laughing at that.

Posted by: Bomber at May 25, 2011 02:18 PM (qzoN5)

78 This is goodbecause guns kill people. Let the police
p[rotect us. I say three cheers for Presadent Obama and talking guns
away from idiots that think they are toys !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (48wze)


EPIC....

Guns have never killed anyone or anything. It's the person that either purposely or accidentally pulled the trigger, you dingbat.

No gun owner thinks they are toys.

No wonder tigers eat their young.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:18 PM (UK9cE)

79 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what your country can do TO you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 25, 2011 02:18 PM (UlUS4)

80 After reading the article, I get the impression that Obama is lying. He's just telling the anti-2nd amendment people what they want to hear in hopes of keeping their vote.
He's not going to do any gun control, at least not in 2011-2012. It would cost him the biggest hunting states which also happen to be swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, among others.

Posted by: Disney at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (wuv1c)

81 The God that Shits Sunshine will certainly do what he can, behind the scenes, to screw with gun rights. But I frankly think that he knows it's a losing issue for the dems and was trying to placate the Brady Bunch and shuffle them out the door.

Posted by: right at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (XF91n)

82 Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT
Sorry but I feel compelled to say that this sock is brilliant and you are a genius.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (WNMh/)

83 She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are
working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the
radar."

Just like closing Gitmo. Honest. Trust me. I really, really mean it.

Posted by: Prezident Killah B. at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (3Okgs)

84 Help me Obama-Wan-NoKnow-Be, you're my only hope!

Posted by: Libtard Being Robbed at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (136wp)

85 @14: "See you in the Supreme Court, asshole."
Think you can predict which side of bed I'm gonna wake up on on that morning, huh? Oh, the Wise Latina told me to tell you "Orale, vato!"

Posted by: Justice Coin-Flip Kennedy at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (xy9wk)

86
Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

What are you looking at me for?

Posted by: Peter Fonda, standing up for my grandchildren at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (XK4nA)

87 This is yet another win-win for Obama. If he does this and wins, then his base is happy. If he loses in Congress, then he shifts blame on Congress and tries for the end run. Even if he decides that the end run has to go under the bus, then he is still seen as having tried to his base and the media will continue to cover for him. Example: the three witches standing around the cauldron complaining about someone daring to defy the Won.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 25, 2011 02:20 PM (Gzv/o)

88 The problem comes in if the gun was registered. Gun shows still require proof of sale and a background check, do they not? I mean, I can go to Bass Pro Shops and walk out with a gun in about 30 minutes, can't I? What's different with a gun show?If you have a registered S/N on a weapon and you sell it, you just need to have proof of the sale. Otherwise you're responsible for that weapon and it's actions going forward whether you own it or not.I'm guessing here, but that's my take.
Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (UK9cE)
Well I always thought I heard it that the gun show loophole was how at gunshows you can buy guns without any background checks, so that was the boogeyman. Because they make it sound like licensed dealers were doing this, but they were still required to do their normal checks of people even at the shows. Its the private individuals that didn't have to do any background checks.
That was my interpretation for information. I've never been much of a gun guy personally.

Posted by: buzzion at May 25, 2011 02:21 PM (oVQFe)

89 That private individuals can sell their guns to private individuals without any checks.

I want to sell a gun to another person, i.e., a private party transfer. Am I required to conduct the transaction through a licensed California firearms dealer?
Yes. Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law.
I have a friend in california that stores some of his collection here so I was fairly sure their laws were more onerous than most. I'd bet New York is the same way

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 02:21 PM (tf9Ne)

90 86

Do you think that the Obama administration is above faking an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

What are you looking at me for?


Posted by: Peter Fonda, standing up for my grandchildren at May 25, 2011 02:19 PM (XK4nA)
Obama, why am I standing in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue with a target on my back?

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 25, 2011 02:22 PM (136wp)

91 This is goodbecause guns kill people. Let the police p[rotect us. I say
three cheers for Presadent Obama and talking guns away from idiots that
think they are toys !!!!!!!!!!!Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (48wze)


Gawd, someone please tell me this person is a sock.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 25, 2011 02:22 PM (XK4nA)

92 What kind of regulation could you write that would limit gun ownership?

Perhaps they could jack up license fees for dealers like they did a few years ago and run a bunch out of business.

They can make guns so damn expensive nobody can afford to buy one.



Oh, and they already tried to ban lead through the EPA. I think congress got involved with that and they backed off.



Posted by: Vic at May 25, 2011 02:23 PM (M9Ie6)

93 Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (48wze) Gawd, someone please tell me this person is a sock.
Posted by: Lady in Black
I dunno but she's hotter than Maple syrup in July!!

Posted by: moron that misse the Christina Hendricks thread at May 25, 2011 02:23 PM (Gzv/o)

94 These people drive me crazy. I know that they are true victims but give me fucking break already.
Jim Brady - I've been shot! All guns suck!
John McCain - I was tortured! All forms of torture* suck!

*Incuding enhanced interragations.

Posted by: Roadking at May 25, 2011 02:24 PM (8EgKt)

95 First they take the guns.

Then they load you on the trains.

Posted by: Reactionary at May 25, 2011 02:06 PM (xUM1Q)


Heh! What?

AMWreck?!?!?

We'll never make it to the ovens.

Posted by: Obenhogan at May 25, 2011 02:24 PM (1v0ro)

96 @72: "This is goodbecause guns kill people. Let the police p[rotect us"
I respectfully disagree

Posted by: All-too Recently Zombified Jose Guerena at May 25, 2011 02:26 PM (xy9wk)

97 One thing that amazes me is just how little the Republicans have used the gun issue to their advantage. I can count on both hands all the anti-gun states in the country, and they all go Democrat anyway. If the Republicans would push this issue--I'll say it, if they would demagogue this issue, they would have a lasting majority in the nation.

Instead, they act like kneejerk authoritarians and always hedge their support for the Second Amendment. I get the feeling from a lot of Bush administration alumni that supporting civil liberties doesn't sit well with them, even when the civil liberty at issue is supported by 70% of the American people and well over 90% of Republicans.

BTW, this was a huge issue in the O'Donnell vs. Castle primary. It wasn't the Tea Party that won the primary for O'Donnell; it was the NRA endorsement. This from an organization which is usually cautious to a fault. Yes, Castle was that bad.

Posted by: Ken at May 25, 2011 02:26 PM (dvQqE)

98 "Well I always thought I heard it that the gun show loophole was how at
gunshows you can buy guns without any background checks, so that was the
boogeyman."

Yeah, that's what some say. For the record, every gun I buy at gun shows included a background check.

This is a fictitious claim, though you're right that many make it.

Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 02:27 PM (Q3nWV)

99 Gun shows still require proof of sale and a background check, do they not?
Private sales with cash and a handshake are routinely conducted at gun shows. The best way in my experience to sell a gun and get a good price is to take it with you to a gun show. You might have it sold before you are out of the parking lot.

Posted by: Bob Saget talking shit about Total at May 25, 2011 02:27 PM (F/4zf)

100 70 I'd say this will cost Zero my state but I think since the Dumb Inbred Rednecks here in Arkansas voted Zero down by 13%, it is probably a lost cause anyway. BTW, some of you morons who denigrate my state, What margin of victory did Zero win by in your enlightened, sophisticated, and educated state? Hummm?

Maddog, didn't your state elect BJ as Governor 3 times and as Prez 2 times? Just askin.

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 25, 2011 02:28 PM (Q5+Og)

101 Hmmm. Don't know what tothink about this now. Many of my fellow Morons could be quite correct that The Vapid One® was just trying to score points with Brady and shoo him away.
On the other hand, he could be serious. If he is, then it's past time for the SCOTUS to send him a letter outlining his mistaken stance on a consititutional issue they recently decided.
In fact, I'm kinda wondering why no one in the SC has sent him a letter or two about any of his other current actions and their illegality. Not that he'd care...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 25, 2011 02:28 PM (d0Tfm)

102 Obama hates guns because they remind him of the time Remy shot Malik Williams from the clocktower at Columbus University.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 25, 2011 02:28 PM (mqrNK)

103 My husband hates guns because he has to fear for his life every time he is pumping gas.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at May 25, 2011 02:30 PM (qITbz)

104 Hmmm. Don't know what tothink about this now. Many of my fellow Morons could be quite correct that The Vapid One® was just trying to score points with Brady and shoo him away.
Well yeah. Its one of two things. He's either lying again, which is definitely plausible. Oh he's planning to actually pull some bullshit measures to do this without using the proper channels, which is again definitely plausible.

Posted by: buzzion at May 25, 2011 02:30 PM (oVQFe)

105 This is yet another win-win for Obama.

Not hardly. You don't win elections with 20% issues. Even Democrat voters aren't all that enthusiastic for gun control. If it was a win-win, Obama would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Posted by: Ken at May 25, 2011 02:31 PM (dvQqE)

106 Posted by: moron that misse the Christina Hendricks thread at May 25, 2011 02:23 PM (Gzv/o)
muahahaha.

A friend of mine who backed Obama said the only way he would vote R against him was if he tried to subvert the law and restrict guns.
Just messaged me on facebook saying "goddamnit" with this link.

Republicans need to play this endlessly in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and New Hampshire.

Posted by: CAC at May 25, 2011 02:35 PM (JEVge)

107 Turns out the President has plenary power, like a king, whenever he wishes to have it.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Posted by: Elvis Aron Presley at May 25, 2011 02:36 PM (71LDo)

108 You know what scares me?

A lame duck Obama. He would do all he could to make himself a lion among a worshiping hard left. And he doesn't need congress to do it. I imagine some amazing environmental standards, declaring all of Texas a national park, banning the sale of any ammunition without a background check.

Who knows what else? He could use 'kinetic action' on Tel Aviv for all I know (ok, not that).


Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 02:38 PM (Q3nWV)

109 Isn't that what the "gun show loophole" boogeyman actually is?

Exactly, and it is mostly a lie anyway. A gun dealer who operates a booth at a gun show must do all the required paperwork just like as if it was in his shop.

Only an "individual" can do a sale without the checks and paperwork at a gun show.

The gun grabbers will tell any lie possible to grab guns. And "gun control" is on my list of major don'ts for any politician.

Posted by: Vic at May 25, 2011 02:39 PM (M9Ie6)

110 I remember reading that during the campaign Axelrod started planting untrue stories in the press about how many threats Barry was having on him and how he had to get SS protection earlier than any other candidate. I remembered that when I saw Herman Cain speaking. I doubt he (Herman) will use cheap gimmicks like that, because he is above that-and does not need cheap tricks to win. It was just another tool to make Barry look more important than he was/is. Barry is dishonest, and I would not put it past him to try to get guns unlawful. Even the attempt to do it, however, will be the ruin of the Dem party. Wonder if he will tell them that this time they have him, so not to worry. Will they believe it again?

Posted by: chillin the most at May 25, 2011 02:39 PM (6IV8T)

111 Otherwise you're responsible for that weapon and it's actions going forward whether you own it or not.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (UK9cE)

Not if it is stolen.

Posted by: Jean at May 25, 2011 02:45 PM (WkuV6)

112 No guns here. I melted them all down and made peace symbols out of them.

Posted by: tangonine at May 25, 2011 02:46 PM (x3YFz)

113 First they came for your HappyMeals...

Posted by: Miasmi at May 25, 2011 02:51 PM (C2cZF)

114
Executive order anyone?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 25, 2011 02:53 PM (jx2j9)

115 We are no longer a nation of laws, we are a nation of men.

Posted by: MarkC at May 25, 2011 02:54 PM (yPPVC)

116 A Republic Maam, if you can keep it...

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at May 25, 2011 02:56 PM (NtXW4)

117
The Gun Control Czar.

Posted by: arhooley at May 25, 2011 02:57 PM (+/eKV)

118 111Otherwise you're responsible for that weapon and it's actions going forward whether you own it or not.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (UK9cE)

Not if it is stolen.Posted by: Jean at May 25, 2011 02:45 PM (WkuV6) Hmmm... I do have an old family friend, who just happens to be the County Sheriff here....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 25, 2011 02:57 PM (NtXW4)

119 As a Benefactor member of the NRA all I can say is.
OH Please try this O
PLEASE !!!
Just give it a shot!(hehe)

The campaign writes itself.

What Executive Order does, Executive Order undoes. (Republican Yet to Be Named Here) FOR PRESIDENT!!

(Payed for by the NRA)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 25, 2011 02:58 PM (0q2P7)

120 In Ohio, individuals are still free to sell nonliving personal property to one another without interference from the State. Only FFLs (federal firearms license holders) are required to submit Form 4473s from prospective buyers for background checks. However, I believe a private seller can be held liable for selling a firearm to a "prohibited person."

Contrary to coastal media and gun-grabber belief, most folks are not eager to do business with every Sketchy McSketcherson who wanders by with an "I corazon MS-13" bumper sticker. Most law-abiding folks want to do business with other law-abiding folks, and you'd be surprised as to how many folks are pretty sound judges of character. If you're going to spend time around armed people, after all, beng a good judge of character is a survival trait. :-)

Posted by: Ken at May 25, 2011 03:00 PM (fFh95)

121 117
The Gun Control Czar.
Posted by: arhooley at May 25, 2011 02:57 PM (+/eKV) Yes, because we all know what happens, when the Peasents get guns..

Posted by: Nikolay Alexandrovich Romanov , Emporer of Russia, King of Poland, Grand Prince of Finland at May 25, 2011 03:01 PM (NtXW4)

122 These people drive me crazy. I know that they are true victims but give me fucking break already.
Jim Brady - I've been shot! All guns suck!
John McCain - I was tortured! All forms of torture* suck!

They are MUCH too close to the issues to be allowed one inch nearer to them.

Posted by: Clueless at May 25, 2011 03:02 PM (LyOUH)

123
I believe in my heart that the shithead in chief want to push as far as he needs to to get a few fringe nutcases to crack - pull a Tim McVeigh or something similar - so he can say, "See! What did I tell you? These guys are a danger."
It's always about protecting society whenever they come after freedoms. They want us to voluntarily give our freedoms up. And eventually we will. We did with the whole patriot act (homeland security) bullshit. We helped them rip the 4th amendment right out of the constitution and most of us think it was a good idea.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 25, 2011 03:04 PM (jx2j9)

124
A bit off-topic: There are many in the gun community who push "take-an-anti-to-the-range" programs in the hopes of converting leftards.

Though I concede that at least some conversions happen this way, is it worth the risk of putting firearms in the hands of people who vote to enslave their countrymen?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at May 25, 2011 03:05 PM (Pzf4N)

125 I believe a private seller can be held liable for selling a firearm to a "prohibited person."
Law in MN

However, a person commits a gross misdemeanor if he or she
intentionally transfers a handgun or semiautomatic military-style
assault weapon to a person he or she knows:


Has been denied a permit to carry a weapon because
he or she is not eligible under state law to possess a handgun or
assault weapon;


Has been found ineligible to possess a handgun or
assault weapon by law enforcement as a result of an application for a
transferee permit or state background check; or


Is ineligible to possess a handgun or assault weapon under state law.90

A person who recklessly furnishes another person with a
firearm in conscious disregard of a known substantial risk that it will
be possessed or used in furtherance of a felony crime of violence is
criminally liable for a felony.91

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 03:05 PM (tf9Ne)

126 This is goodbecause guns kill people. Let the police p[rotect us. I say three cheers for Presadent Obama and talking guns away from idiots that think they are toys !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 25, 2011 02:16 PM (48wze)

I'm still not sure if Mary is a real ormemorex dimwit but in any event let me be perfectly clear on a few points.
My gun isn't going to kill anyone. I, on the other hand, may use it to kill someone who's got no business being in my home.
My gun is not a toy and I would never confuse it with one. I keep the toys in the other nightstand drawer.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at May 25, 2011 03:06 PM (VL0Rm)

127 My gun is not a toy and I would never confuse it with one. I keep the toys in the other nightstand drawer.

Bunk!

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 25, 2011 03:09 PM (tf9Ne)

128 I keep the toys in the other nightstand drawer.

I sincerely hope that you are not as much of a dumb blonde as your nic indicates. 'Cause that could make for a very difficult evening should you get the nightstands confused at the wrong time.

Posted by: wiserbud at May 25, 2011 03:12 PM (3Okgs)

129 @119: "What Executive Order does, Executive Order undoes."
Yeah, keep thinking that.

Posted by: Government Unions at May 25, 2011 03:16 PM (xy9wk)

130 Maddog, didn't your state elect BJ as Governor 3 times and as Prez 2 times? Just askin.
Posted by: Sub-tard at May 25, 2011 02:28 PM (Q5+Og)
Yes.The GOP was lame as hell, no state organization at all to speak of. And Prez because of where he was from. Besides, Clinton was better on the worst day of his life than Zero is on his best. (of course, that ain't saying much). And our current Gov. sucks bad enough to give us a booste next election. We are looking to take over the entire state government next cycle, the TEA party is strong here.

Posted by: maddogg at May 25, 2011 03:18 PM (OlN4e)

131 If you want to learn how to shoot your rifle accurately then I suggest taking this course. Make every shot count. http://tinyurl.com/3u2p7jx

Posted by: dri at May 25, 2011 03:19 PM (4uWkx)

132 up to 3 packs a day, got a good hacking cough going. Hoping for cancer to hit me soon because fuck this noise.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at May 25, 2011 03:22 PM (b8wlG)

133 The Law Order SVU episode last week could have been written by the Brady Campaign, so Obama's allies/masters at NBC are clearly already beavering away. The episode also had a gratuitous swipe at Arizona, natch.

Posted by: Holdfast at May 25, 2011 03:24 PM (Gzb30)

134 133
The Law Order SVU episode last week could have been written by the
Brady Campaign, so Obama's allies/masters at NBC are clearly already
beavering away. The episode also had a gratuitous swipe at Arizona,
natch.


Posted by: Holdfast at May 25, 2011 03:24 PM (Gzb30)
I stopped watching that hippie liberal elite havad bullshit they call Law and Order after watching 1 episode years ago.

Posted by: tangonine at May 25, 2011 03:33 PM (x3YFz)

135 "I'm still not sure if Mary is a real ormemorex dimwit but in any event let me be perfectly clear on a few points."

Seriously?

It's a joke. It's making fun of the morons you often find quoted in papers to establish democrat talking points without the 'journalist' being accountable for them.

Read the comment again with this in mind, and it's pretty funny. four stars awarded.

Posted by: Dustin at May 25, 2011 03:34 PM (Q3nWV)

136
Even here in my beloved Clownifornia, you can buy/sell certain firearms without going through an FFL/background check. Antique, and Curio Relic long arms can be sold face to face......which includes fun stuff like Garands and M1 Carbines.

Here in CA, handguns are all required to go through FFLs though.

Better yet, you can freaking build your own modern Evil Black Rifle© from sheet metal flats for AKs, or from 80% completed castings for AR15s. Those are two of the easiest to build, and hence most popular. Building yourself is cool because it's paperless. As long as you build it yourself (and it's not built in such a way as to violate assault weapons laws etc) it's perfectly legal and you are NOT required to register it or notify the gov't in most states. Even in CA.

It's incredibly stupid of these jackasses to think that firearms can be banned from those that wish to own them.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 25, 2011 03:38 PM (7YzRS)

137 I taught my grandkids gun control.

Breathe and squeeze.

Seen my new film?

Posted by: Peter Fonda at May 25, 2011 04:36 PM (CYoZS)

138 Seriously?It's a joke. It's making fun of the morons you often find quoted in papers to establish democrat talking points without the 'journalist' being accountable for them.
Really, Dustin? That was your take away from my comment? 'Cause I was kinda using it as a set-up for my response. Idiot.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at May 25, 2011 04:51 PM (bwS7Z)

139 Hey OBozo, concealed Kerry here, its' in my pants, come get it Big ears.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry at May 25, 2011 05:18 PM (vXqv3)

140 9
Will the GOP use this gift handed to them on a silver platter. That is the question. Duh is the answer.

Not with assbags like Guiliani, Christie, and that fucking shit stain Romney running.

Posted by: A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall at May 25, 2011 05:25 PM (EL+OC)

141 The good news is Obama has done virtually nothing about this, probably because almost all of his mentors in the Chicago Socialist Mafia didn't care that much - after all, how were the poor going to rise up and slaughter the bourgeoisie if they don't have any guns?

And for those who don't know anything, close political allies like Bill Ayers actually worked (sometimes with Obama) to reduce prison terms and imprisonment at all for violent crimes *explicitly* because they believed the "oppressive state" was locking up the soldiers needed for the revolution.

Yes, Ayers actually put that down in writing, worked with Obama on that project, and the fucking MBM won't talk about it.

I don't think Obama is actually opposed to making the middle class defenseless, I just think it's awfully low on his to-do list.

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an assassination attempt for the purpose of imposing gun control?

They wouldn't dare try that one this incompetent gang that can't shoot straight might accidentally succeed, then they'd have to prop bullet riddled Barry up and do a vacation at Bernies deal to advance their commy agenda and the presstitute scum would be in tears.

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Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at May 25, 2011 04:51 PM (bwS7Z)"
I'm an idiot for taking your comment at face value, when you were responding earnestly to someone who was being obviously very sarcastic?
OK. Or maybe you're just unwilling to admit a mistake? Maybe?

Posted by: Dustin at May 26, 2011 03:02 AM (Q3nWV)

149 I mean hell, I simply mildly noted your attackee was only kidding. That s/he agrees with your gradeschool level rant.

That's some damn thin skin you've got. At least cuss or something, if you're going to cry.

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