Musharraf: It's Not Acceptable That You Entered Pakistan To Kill The Man We Were Protecting

He didn't say that last part. It's just implied.

"American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty," Mr. Musharraf told CNN-IBN, an Indian news channel."...

I think the proper response here is Go F*** Yourself To Death.

Mr. Musharraf said the "lack of trust is very bad."

"If two organizations [are] conducting an operation against a common enemy, there has to be trust and confidence in each other," he said.

The common enemy of the US and Pakistan is Pakistan.

I'll add in a possible narrative here in favor of Pakistan.

We know, for a fact, that the US claims that foreign countries are not involved in anti-terrorist missions even though they are. Or at least gave permission.

We know this from WikiLeaks. We know that the president of Yemen actually blessed several anti-Al-Qaeda operations but our country lied about that, at the President of Yemen's request, because of course Al Qaeda is popular in the Muslim world and Muslims have a big chip on their shoulder about "respect" and therefore sovereignty issues.

They are very insistent that everyone pretend their third-world tribal ungovernably primitive hellholes are real countries or something.

So it's in the US's interest to lie if Pakistan were actually helpful here. It's of course in Pakistan's interest that we should lie.

It is therefore possible that Pakistan was rather helpful here, but the US is putting out all this information that Pakistan's actually the bad guy, and was probably protecting bin Ladin, because that's exactly how Pakistan wishes it to be played.

Counting against that theory is bin Ladin's actual location in an army town.

Still, I suppose, it's possible.

But even with my narrative it still suggests that Pakistan is a rotten, terrorist state, because even if the government was helpful, Al Qaeda remains so wildly popular with its increasingly monstrous, verminous population that the government is compelled to lie about it and put out the word that we were actually protecting the terrorist monster.

This will not end well. For anyone, but especially for Pakistan.

Thanks to Hollowpoint.

By the Way: It is a longstanding principle of international law that to the extent a nation cannot patrol itself for bandits and pirates operating within it, its sovereignty is diminished.

If it doesn't have sovereignty -- control -- in fact, it also loses sovereignty as far as the law.

When Pancho Villa was raiding America, Mexico's sovereignty didn't stop us from mounting the Punitive Expedition.

Maybe the pirates of the Barbary Coast were semi-independent actors, but if so, that means the state was incapable of stamping down lawlessness in its own borders, and that gave us the green light to storm the Shores of Tripoli.

Pakistan either won't or can't act strongly against the terrorists -- murderous bandits and pirates -- within it. Its sovereignty is therefore partly a fiction which does not have to be pretended to be real in law.

Not that that line of argument would persuade them. But that's the way it is. And that's the way it's always been.


Posted by: Ace at 01:20 PM



Comments

1 . It is a violation of our sovereignty," Mr. Musharraf told CNN-IBN, an Indian news channel."...

Damn that Bush and his cowboy diplomacy!!!!

Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 01:23 PM (fVIlG)

2
I think the proper response here is Go F*** Yourself To Death with a Flaming, Pork-Covered Koran, Bitch.
Fixed.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2011 01:24 PM (Orc9J)

3 Oh, wait ... it was Obama?

Yayyyy! Go 'merica! Fuckin kick ass!!! Yayyyyyyyy!

Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 01:24 PM (fVIlG)

4 In honor of this great occasion, I just sacrificed a package of bacon in a skillet over a gas flame.
It will be added to the pot of beans that are currently being prepared for this evening’s dinner.
The TiFW family will be “paying their respects” long into the night….

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at May 02, 2011 01:24 PM (5QW3T)

5 I'll put this in terms the third-worlders and their apologists will get: You lie down with dogs, you get bit by fleas.

Posted by: Tom In Korea at May 02, 2011 01:24 PM (0nd7r)

6 I see a bright future for Pakistan. Said brightness will be accompanied by an intense warm period.

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 02, 2011 01:25 PM (CYoZS)

7 Next.

Posted by: Seal Team M-F'in 6 at May 02, 2011 01:25 PM (kUU1x)

8 Good thing me and my staff of "top men" are all over this. We can just hit the reset button.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 02, 2011 01:25 PM (YAXjq)

9 I would bet my 401k that the Pakis assisted by mainly agreeing to stand down during the operation. I do not think Obama would have gone forward with the mission without that assurance.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2011 01:26 PM (UzliN)

10 Very interesting to watch the left, I remember when Hillary implied that Petraeus was a liar. Now he basically saved their a$$$ and they Hilary and Obama are patting themselves on the back. How disgusting the left is, no principles. Now I know this, but when it is on full display is reminds how I detest these commie pinko hacks.

Posted by: lions at May 02, 2011 01:26 PM (BUnJ9)

11 They scrambled jets to go after the SEAL team afterwards for the love of gawd who needs friends like that.

Posted by: TEE866 at May 02, 2011 01:27 PM (GvNEJ)

12 Best part of this is the Taliban has announced that Pakistan in now their number 1 target, the Great Satan has been relegated to second place.

Taliban versus Pakistan equals crazy delicious.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 02, 2011 01:27 PM (TMB3S)

13 One year after 9/11 I would accept your premise that it is possible. But we are approaching the tenth anniversary of the day when we finally started to take Bin Laden seriously, and during that time the Pakis have been actively protecting him from the West, and in particular us. So...I don't give a rat's ass whether they actually helped (and I doubt they did); it's nine years too late.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 02, 2011 01:27 PM (LH6ir)

14 SEAL Teams (and several divisions) to grab Paki nukes in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 02, 2011 01:28 PM (UlUS4)

15 You know what else violates your sovereignty? All those American aid checks you keep cashing. I don't hear you complaining about that though.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: landshark at May 02, 2011 01:28 PM (9ChGG)

16 Yo Obama, Youforgot to say…’Thank You President Bush" last night you piece of pig shit !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The US Military at May 02, 2011 01:28 PM (48wze)

17 Pakistan can go get fucked in it's dust covered ear hole. They've been propping these monsters up for years, and it's high time they got called on it.
Send a message. You hide one of these assholes, and there will be no quarter. We'll launch a commando raid or a Tomahawk, and if your citizens get whacked in the process, well fuck it, let it be.

Posted by: UGAdawg at May 02, 2011 01:28 PM (JS6HU)

18 Whichever scenario you believe, the end result is Pakistan is a pile of shit.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 02, 2011 01:28 PM (C2//T)

19 We sure do have a lot of rootin' tootin' cowboy shootin', Fighty Fight Fight Mcfightersons on the left today.

Who knew they were such true blue, military kill-bot supporting patriots?


Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 01:29 PM (fVIlG)

20 Well I guess we'll know how helpful the pakis were when we find out how long Bin Laden was living there.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at May 02, 2011 01:29 PM (GsNZY)

21 This unilateral, cowboy action will only further alienate us from the world, and be a recruiting tool for terrorists.

Posted by: MSM 1 administration ago at May 02, 2011 01:30 PM (V0gVz)

22 Musharraf, please deposit a sweet kiss on the ass of every American. You puffed-up weasel.


Posted by: sifty at May 02, 2011 01:30 PM (kUU1x)

23 He was literally a zit on the bottom of their nose.

They couldn't pop him despite being a casual stroll down the street.

Two options
A) They are enormously, terribly incompetent and thus should not be receiving US dollars in aid.

B) They knew the whole time and did nothing, and thus should not be receiving US dollars in aid.

Well theres a few hundred million we can cut out of the deficit- probably more than what we "cut" with Boner.

Posted by: CAC at May 02, 2011 01:30 PM (JEVge)

24 They have been hiding these fuckers all along. Bring back Cheney. He had the right idea early in the war.

Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2011 01:30 PM (M9Ie6)

25 Well I guess we'll know how helpful the pakis were when we find out how long Bin Laden was living there.

Place was built in '05.

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 02, 2011 01:30 PM (CYoZS)

26 Baconalia still going on at Denny's? Perfect choice for a celebratorymeal today if it is.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 02, 2011 01:31 PM (cniXs)

27 Pakistan untrustworthy? Terrorists hiding in Pakistan?

Durrrrrr....

Posted by: India at May 02, 2011 01:31 PM (JKe0g)

28 Fuck 'em. Let's just invade. Obummer is all about invasions now, anyway.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 02, 2011 01:31 PM (zgZzy)

29 Remember, it's pronounced Poch-eee-Stohnn.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 02, 2011 01:32 PM (FkKjr)

30 hey mushareff.....if you did your job we wouldn't have had to enter pakistan.....i can only pray your country is destroyed for your complicity and treachery

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 02, 2011 01:32 PM (eOXTH)

31 I still think that at some point in the next 20 years, either us or india will end up nuking pakistan

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:32 PM (wuv1c)

32 Yea, just waiting for the Pakistani news reports that come out later when they talk to the locals and they say, yes I saw him around,said his name was Mohamed butrefered to himself as Mo.Always said hi, kept to himself, kind of a loner.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 02, 2011 01:32 PM (C2//T)

33 "If two organizations [are] conducting an operation against a common enemy, there has to be trust and confidence in each other," he said.

Then his lips fell off.

Seriously, after a while assuming that there's double reverse psychological deniability going on here gets to be highly improbable. I think the simple explanation is that the pakis were sheltering him, they were in the chain of communication on all previous operations against OBL and tipped him off each time, we figured this out and cut the pakis out of the loop, and it worked like a charm. The pakis are not our friends; at best, they are an enemy that we are keeping close.

Posted by: joncelli at May 02, 2011 01:33 PM (RD7QR)

34 Pakistan is like Detroit. The sooner this administration realizes that, we can make a deal with the Hindus.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 02, 2011 01:33 PM (zgZzy)

35 What we need is more hot muslim women posing in playboy. Its the only solution that makes sense.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (IXLvN)

36 This guy really hates Obushama, huh?


Posted by: Crazee at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (xsoRi)

37 What should we call this new holiday?

Revenge Day? Honey Badger Day? Seal Day?

Bacon Day?

Aisha's Revenge?


Posted by: sifty at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (kUU1x)

38 Humphhpp ... I said I said... Durrr......Durr.....

Posted by: India Lehghorn at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (JKe0g)

39 "We will take all necessary steps to ensure peaceful relations between the United States of America and Pokeystan, so I call upon Moo Sheriff to step down before he gets stepped down on."

Posted by: What our feckless turd should be saying right now. at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (lT0LC)

40 Is (was) Musharraf really okay with shielding bin Laden?

"And lastly, I find it telling that as his final action Bin Laden used a woman as a human shield."

The source seems credible, and I suppose there's video. We shall see if the claim at the link is true or not in the next few days.

Then we need to ask Musharraf again, on Indian TV, if he really is/was okay with shielding bin Laden .....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ....

Posted by: Arbalest at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (BqSr3)

41 Is there a way we can secure their nukes and stockpiles of fissile material?

I know they've still got AQ Khan and the ability to rebuild that program, but losing the built bombs and the raw material necessary to replace them would set them back quite a bit, especially since stuff like Stuxnet is out there to screw with the centrifuges which are involved with uranium enrichment.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (UvFnc)

42 Look, let's call it straight. When he got told about the operation, he crapped his pants, knowing that the next time could be him.

We may not have meant to, but we just posted the mother of all warnings.

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord© at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (GBXon)

43 35 What we need is more hot muslim women posing in playboy. Its the only solution that makes sense.





Fap-wa!

Posted by: CAIR at May 02, 2011 01:34 PM (zgZzy)

44 The Royal Wedding Killed Osama bin Laden


http://bit.ly/jQUORr

Posted by: Binny Bin Binny at May 02, 2011 01:35 PM (oAZ1S)

45 Does any one else think it strange that the military and Obama went after him in this kind of high-risk way? He really is of no strategic relevance. However, the hard drives and communications gear and little black books in the home of the 2 couriers serving Al Qaeda and the Taliban leadership would be a treasure trove of intelligence. If that's what they found in there, expect both the Pakistani skies to be filled with the Sound of Music in the next few days. And maybe even some unexpected "retirements" within the Pakistani military and intelligence communities.

Posted by: Mike at May 02, 2011 01:35 PM (2e6Dn)

46 did you see the pigsty he was living in? nothing says low class like sleeping directly on your mattress....no protector, no fitted sheet....just the ugly polyester mattress.......and the goat bleeting in the back ground....nice......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 02, 2011 01:35 PM (eOXTH)

47 I'm guessing OBL never set foot outside of that compound once he moved in. It looks like he was there for at least the last 5 years, and that goes back to the Musharraf government. He never made himself visible from the air either. Either the Pakis really didn't know he was there, or they had plausible deniability because nobody had actually seen him there.

Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2011 01:35 PM (Y01Pi)

48 I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find out that Osama bin Ladin was actually in Pakistan.

Posted by: Pervez Musharraf at May 02, 2011 01:36 PM (/izg2)

49 Also, I think we should all remember that almost no real facts come out until some time after any event.
I'm willing to bet the real story of what happened looks considerably different than what we all believe to have happened.
I'll be interested to read the first book on this

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:36 PM (wuv1c)

50 Fuck him and the goat he rode in on !

Posted by: Jackhole at May 02, 2011 01:36 PM (+qHxi)

51 We live in a post-Westphalian world. You hide a terrorist, we're going to come get him. Whine all you want.
Also: How's our $1.5B/yr transfer payment taste? It must not be to your liking, if you're talking like that, Mooshy.

Posted by: Truman North at May 02, 2011 01:36 PM (G5JPI)

52 By going after bin Ladin we're only creating more terroristsssss!

Root causes! It's not about bin Ladin it's about root causes! We created these guys by having DUMB diplomacy and not SMART diplomacy! Remember teh Palestinians and teh joooos??!! West Bank?

Wait ...

Obama?

Barack Obama?

Yaaay!!!! Go America! Fuck you bin Ladin! Hahahahha! Awesome ... we got him!!!

Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 01:37 PM (fVIlG)

53 Mr. Musharraf said the "lack of trust is very bad."

BWWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

You're quite funny, dickhead. Trust is a 2 way street. You've been sheltering him for the better part of a decade. We've been giving you BILLIONS and you've just been trying to figure out how to get him nukes....

Eat shit, dirtbag. You're next, maybe.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (UK9cE)

54 What the fuck does Musharraf gain by this? His own crazy raghead citizens have been trying to kill him for years. Does he really believe this shit or is he hoping to get off the shit list?

You're welcome for the aid that financed your plush retirement, cocksucker.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (+61wI)

55 If the post-2011 construction slides in the sidebar are accurate, then it's very possible Usama bin-Fucked was only moved there this year, which lends credence to the idea that the Pakis helped us with the kill. It would take several months to get an operation like this planned.sorry, maybe i mislabeled the sidebar story. It's the post construction picture taken in 2011. it was built in 2005.. i will make the change

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (wuv1c)

56 Kudos a thousand times to the one who put a bullet in Osama's braincase instead of letting Osama be paraded around New York City and interviewed by Joy Behar.

He did the right thing.

BANG!
"Please come quietly."
BANG!
"Please don't resist or I will be forced to"
BANG!
"Use deadly force."

Posted by: sifty at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (kUU1x)

57 Not for nothing but we told you so.

Posted by: India at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (TiURi)

58 >>>Who knew they were such true blue, military kill-bot supporting patriots?

Not to be a dick, but on the flipside, I am hearing the same grudgey-grudgey who-cares-it's-just-politics reaction from some on the right (including in the comments) that we found so despicable in the left when we killed Saddam Hussein.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (nj1bB)

59 Either the Pakis really didn't know he was there, or they had plausible deniability because nobody had actually seen him there.
I'm thinking "plausible deniability".

If someone had built a huge compound just outside restricted US airspace, such as near CIA HQ in Langley, West Point in upstate New York, etc., you'd know that the government would be trying to figure out who was building there because it would be a possible security issue. I mean, the damn thing was just outside their version of West Point in an area where a ton of their retired military officers live.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 01:39 PM (UvFnc)

60 Now we're in for it!
I just invested all my cash in plastic sheeting and 3-M Pro-Grade Duct Tape.

Posted by: Beto at May 02, 2011 01:39 PM (H+LJc)

61 "Sigh."

"Sir? We just did something really special... I mean this is never having to buy drinks at the NCO club for the rest of our lives....and that Rear Echelon Mother Fucker is claiming all the credit?"

"I didn't hear that soldier. And let me remind you, you only voted for that asshole because you and he have the same skin color. You fucked up. You trusted him.

"By the way, nice shooting."

Posted by: Actual guy on the ground at May 02, 2011 01:39 PM (kCT7A)

62 They knew the whole time and did nothing, and thus should not be receiving US dollars in aid.

They couldn't pop him and keep the aid flowing; maybe the addiction to our aid dollars was part of their calculus to hide his ass.

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2011 01:39 PM (WkuV6)

63 So Obama is clueless and doesn't care? Then answer the following question Bush supporters: "How come it only took Presadent obama two years to get Bin Leden and Bush never did in 8 years"? Duuuuuuuuuuuh and Obama is an idiot? Come Conservative clawns, you are just too dam stupid to understand Precadent Obama...Now start supporting our Persadent!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Genny Hongston from Georgetown Universaty at May 02, 2011 01:40 PM (48wze)

64 The Telegraph is saying Pakistan protected him, with no equivocation.
(top link at Jihad Watch)
The army tipped OBL when we were close.

Posted by: Beagle at May 02, 2011 01:40 PM (sOtz/)

65 >>> I'm guessing OBL never set foot outside of that compound once he moved in.

This must be true because we've been watching the place for the past six months but apparently we never actually saw him. Even when Obama ordered the strike it was still based on circumstantial evidence and suspicion.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:40 PM (nj1bB)

66 I know they've still got AQ Khan and the ability to rebuild that program, but losing the built bombs and the raw material necessary to replace them would set them back quite a bit, especially since stuff like Stuxnet is out there to screw with the centrifuges which are involved with uranium enrichment.
they are still producing nukes. I remember reading a story about 6 months ago how in spite of an economic collapse in the country, that the goverment was increasing its nuke arsenal.
There is no way this country doesn't get nuked at some point. I just hope it's India and not us

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:41 PM (wuv1c)

67 I bet whoevercrownedhis sorry ass still has a smile on their face.
Yeah, I killed bin ladin, shot his ass right between the fucking eyes.

Posted by: Jackhole at May 02, 2011 01:41 PM (+qHxi)

68 that we found so despicable in the left when we killed Saddam Hussein.





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (nj1bB)
Well, technically, the Iraqis killed Saddam....his sons, yeah but not Saddam.

Posted by: Tami at May 02, 2011 01:41 PM (VuLos)

69 Mr. Musharraf said the "lack of trust is very bad."
Heh. And justified, lets not forget, you POS.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 01:42 PM (OlN4e)

70 I heard Obama challenged Osama to a game of HORSE...to the death! And when neither could hit a shot after hundreds of attempts, Obama offered that they play a game of PIG, instead. This infuriarated Osama so much, being the good radical Muslim that he is pulled out his gun and fired it at Obama,...but Obama being already in the throws of an apologetic bow, lowered his head just in time to have the round ricochet off the rim and hit Osama square in the head.

Wow, Obama does have game.

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at May 02, 2011 01:42 PM (akFDL)

71 Since the guys that did the waterboarding were not USG, but outside contractors, are they eligible for the $50M under the rewards for justice program?

/just dreaming

Posted by: Snarky Fox WH Reporter at May 02, 2011 01:43 PM (WkuV6)

72 I bet whoevercrownedhis sorry ass still has a smile on their face.
Yeah, I killed bin ladin, shot his ass right between the fucking eyes.
He'd make a good presidential candidate for the GOP.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 02, 2011 01:44 PM (d0Tfm)

73 I AM GLAD HE'S DEAD AND I'M GLAD THE LAST THING HE SAW WAS AN AMERICAN NAVY SEAL TEAM SIX POINT A GUN AT HIS HEAD...SO THANK YOU OBAMA FOR CARRYING OUT BUSH'S POLICY

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 02, 2011 01:44 PM (eOXTH)

74 RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!

Those Pakis will dance to our tune.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 02, 2011 01:44 PM (ZtwUX)

75 Kind of odd that the firefight supposedly went on for 40 minutes and nobody in the local military establishment saw fit to go have a look?

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 01:44 PM (OlN4e)

76 Taiwanese Animators make Obama Kill Video News Story.
This is worth its own thread. Hilarious

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:45 PM (wuv1c)

77 Not to be a dick, but on the flipside, I am hearing the same
grudgey-grudgey who-cares-it's-just-politics reaction from some on the
right

All I know is that all these cheering, patriot-come-lately fuckos on the left sabotaged our war effort every single fucking day under Bush, smearing the very military folks who just pulled this off in the process.

So, yeah, I'm fucking thrilled that we finally capped that sack of shit. It's a great day for America.

But I'm also kinda not willing to let the other shit go, you know?

Not that commenting on a blog about it changes anything.


Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 01:45 PM (fVIlG)

78 maddogg, it would take most Arab army's 40mins to find their boots, much less roll out a patrol.

Posted by: Snarky Fox WH Reporter at May 02, 2011 01:45 PM (WkuV6)

79 shit. I mean to type Osama's not Obama. I keep making that mistake, and not intentionally.

Posted by: Ben at May 02, 2011 01:46 PM (wuv1c)

80 From this early coverage at michellemalkin.com of the college students et al, celebrating in front of the white house... http://tinyurl.com/3drgpw6 Sort of sounds like an astroturfed event. People holding signs saying "Latinos for Obama" at 1am? Seriously.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 02, 2011 01:46 PM (9eDbm)

81 Not to be a dick, but on the flipside, I am hearing
the same grudgey-grudgey who-cares-it's-just-politics reaction from
some on the right (including in the comments) that we found so
despicable in the left when we killed Saddam Hussein.





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (nj1bB)

My thought here are simple. It's really only natural for there to be a conspiracy theory faction doubting the validity of this.

I mean, JEF has been lying to the American People for over 3 years now. It's only natural for the crowd to understand this and doubt everything that comes out of his mouth. Not that I'm condoning it or anything, but I can see why there are some doubting Thomas' out there.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 01:46 PM (UK9cE)

82 Kind of odd that the firefight supposedly went on for 40 minutes and nobody in the local military establishment saw fit to go have a look?
Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 01:44 PM (OlN4e)

In that shithole they probably just thought there was a disageement about a goat that somebody was humping.

Posted by: Jackhole at May 02, 2011 01:46 PM (+qHxi)

83 Mr. Musharraf said the "lack of trust is very bad."

Indeed, Mr. Musharraf. You Pakistanis were harboring this PoS for years. He was in a compound the size of a football field right right down the road from the military academy you attended. You cost us billions of dollars and plenty of blood.

Pakistan is an implacable enemy of the United States. It's time to adopt a Cold War posture with this shitty country.

Posted by: Mike Z. at May 02, 2011 01:47 PM (KWLxU)

84 In the few pics I have seen, there was medical equipment set up his bedroom. He may not have been able to get around much if was sick (well not as sick as he is now with sudden lead poisoning).

Who reported that OBL used a woman as a human shield? All i heard was that one of the combatants used her as a shield.

Posted by: Penfold at May 02, 2011 01:47 PM (1PeEC)

85 ....when we killed Saddam Hussein.

Not to be pedantic, but we didn't kill Saddam Hussein. He was tried by an Iraqi court and sentenced to hang. They executed him, not us.

Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2011 01:47 PM (M9Ie6)

86 I question the timing....

Posted by: Paladin at May 02, 2011 01:48 PM (rSvmM)

87 Wouldn't bother me if musharaff became shark meat too.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 02, 2011 01:48 PM (IXLvN)

88 "American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty," Mr. Musharraf

I'm guessing that the MFM would be saying the same thing if this happened with W in office. But now that it's Barry the MFM is just cumming in its panties over Barry's heroic actions.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2011 01:48 PM (1Jaio)

89 Not to be a dick, but on the flipside, I am hearing the same
grudgey-grudgey who-cares-it's-just-politics reaction from some on the
right (including in the comments) that we found so despicable in the
left when we killed Saddam Hussein.

We captured Hussein so that he could be tried and executed by the Iraqis.


I think Mark Steyn was on target with his article today, both in terms of how the news should have been released and Obama's speech last night.


It's a pretty sick world we live in when Obama, who has tried to weaken the U.S. by undoing so much of what Bush put in place, benefits politically from Bush's policy. And it's rather disheartening to be chided by people on the right for pointing out that Obama's actions were neither brave nor exceptional.

Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 01:49 PM (pW2o8)

90 Clerics in the religion of fit-pitchers unhappy about method of disposal of OBL.

Eat bacon, you petulant a-holes.

Posted by: ya2daup at May 02, 2011 01:49 PM (Wqfrr)

91 left my sock on again,

I think we need to get some pool started:

1. days until Dr. Z gets a late night visit from either us or the ISI

2. weapon used; I'm in with a MP5SD in .45

3. days until Patreaus has an issue with some NSC clownette, and threatens to resign.

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2011 01:49 PM (WkuV6)

92 Remeber when DOUG MASTERS flew into libya to get his dad the IRON EAGLE didn't worry about soveriegnty

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at May 02, 2011 01:49 PM (U9jjw)

93 >>>So, yeah, I'm fucking thrilled that we finally capped that sack of shit. It's a great day for America.

>>>But I'm also kinda not willing to let the other shit go, you know?

No I get that. But exposing the left for its hyperpartisan hypocrisy and highly selective sense of patriotism would be a charge that would stick harder if some of us weren't doing something close to that.

I keep reading crap like "if Obama weren't behind in the polls then Osama bin Ladin would still be alive."

And conspiracy theories that we could have killed him any time (or did kill him previously) and are only publicizing this now because Obama needs a boost.

This is EXACTLY the sort of shit we used to make fun of on the left, and now we're doing that???!!

What?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:50 PM (nj1bB)

94 79 maddogg, it would take most Arab army's 40mins to find their boots, much less roll out a patrol.
Posted by: Snarky Fox WH Reporter at May 02, 2011 01:45 PM (WkuV6)
They are not typical Arab. They have the ability to be professional and tough. Ask the Indians.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 01:51 PM (OlN4e)

95 Not to be a dick, but on the flipside, I am hearing the same grudgey-grudgey who-cares-it's-just-politics reaction from some on the right (including in the comments) that we found so despicable in the left when we killed Saddam Hussein.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:38 PM (nj1bB)
You know why? Because deWon in his victory speech tried to make it sound like he did everything, just short of pulling the trigger, himself. That this shit would never have happened if he wasn't president.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 01:51 PM (AkdC5)

96 I keep reading crap like "if Obama weren't behind in the polls then Osama bin Ladin would still be alive."
So you don't think zerO is that cynical? I sure as hell do.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 01:52 PM (OlN4e)

97 >>>It's a pretty sick world we live in when Obama, who has tried to weaken the U.S. by undoing so much of what Bush put in place, benefits politically from Bush's policy. And it's rather disheartening to be chided by people on the right for pointing out that Obama's actions were neither brave nor exceptional.

I don't think that -- I don't think his action was all that brave or exceptional. I think it was pretty much a no-brainer.

What I'm objecting to is the already-mounting conspiracy theory campaign that Osama was already dead or his killing could have happened at anytime, but was done now just for politics, or the claim that Obama would have let him live EXCEPT FOR his need to goose his polling numbers a little.

That's just unreasonable. That's just hate in overdrive, as we saw with Bush.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:52 PM (nj1bB)

98 That's just unreasonable. That's just hate in overdrive, as we saw with Bush.



Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:52 PM (nj1bB)


Hard to argue that, but the left was making things up and just flinging poo at GWB where we KNOW what Obama is and it's hard to put these things past him just from sheer actions in his past.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 01:54 PM (UK9cE)

99 The proper thing to note is that this operation built on info obtained by Bush (using Cheney's methods, I'm sure we'll soon find out).

And that Obama was given this info, and continued something Bush was already doing (trying to locate the courier).

But trying to suggest that literally nothing good happened here or that Obama did this just for political advantage is just unreasonable and sounds like the same grousing from the left I heard throughout Bush's term.

Remember when Madelein Albright suggested she thought Bush had already caught bin Ladin and would announce that right before the election?

Or the left's general claim that Bush wasn't pursuing bin Ladin because as long as bin Ladin was At Large it gave him the pretext for unending war on Muslims?

Let's not go there. It's crazy-town.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:55 PM (nj1bB)

100 Its good that Obama's essential laziness allowed the op to run without the micromanagement that Dem presidents usually show in these things. And his indifference to our allies worked in our favor this time.

Hopefully he gets a thrill out of it and lets our military cut loose even more now.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 02, 2011 01:56 PM (z1N6a)

101 I keep reading crap like "if Obama weren't behind in the polls then Osama bin Ladin would still be alive." And conspiracy theories that we could have killed him any time (or did kill him previously) and are only publicizing this now because Obama needs a boost. This is EXACTLY the sort of shit we used to make fun of on the left, and now we're doing that???!! What?
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 01:50 PM (nj1bB)
Well, I haven't been saying that, but I have been saying that the decision to kill OBL wasn't a hard one to make. Yeah, it was the right one, but it wasn't hard.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 01:56 PM (AkdC5)

102 Ace, I think you're right here, and we shouldn't go down that road because we're all pretty sure that were it the case of Obama being Obama, he'd have captured Osama and kept him locked up till a month before the election.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (UK9cE)

103 Mission Accomplished, Motherfuckers.

Posted by: W at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (xMT+4)

104 Can anyone tell me where I can get a good deal on some shoes?

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (UK9cE)

105 The only conspiratorial things last night that I could see would be the astroturfing of the WH demonstration and 1Hr speech delay.

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (WkuV6)

106 I'm not jumping all over the crap on Obama bandwagon for this action but I sure do have a powerful lot of hate stored up for him. More than just about any other President we have had since I have been alive and that goes all the way back to Truman.

Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (M9Ie6)

107 "American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of
our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of
Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty,"

Oh, hey, if you feel strongly about it, why don't you just declare war? we did, after all, give you a casus belli.

Of course, you're gonna have to give up billions in US Dollars. And we'll probably blockade your ports, and sink your shipping. And we'll probably flatten your military installations, and possibly send more spec ops folks to seize your nukes.

I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?"
Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost
track myself. But being as this is the US military, the most powerful military in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to
ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at May 02, 2011 01:58 PM (1hM1d)

108 Two words: skull-fuck.

Posted by: 5.56 mm FMJ at May 02, 2011 01:58 PM (CYoZS)

109 To be fair ace those grudgey comments you think you see are directed at Obama for making it mostly about him. The comparisons to the left criticisms are only similar in that they both are in regard to killing or capturing a high level target.

And if someone would have asked you beforehand how you could start a conspiracy theory about killing Bin Laden you would probably say report that you killed him and then report you no longer have his body cause you threw it in the ocean.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2011 01:59 PM (UzliN)

110 My fear is that now that leftards have a taste for killing, where does it stop?

Let's say you own a restaurant. Let's call it, hell... I don't know. Call it "Noodles."

What do you do when Soulpatch McBallduster the line cook demands you let him cook what he wants and give him a share of the profits? Is it worth dying over?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 01:59 PM (U9jjw)

111 What I'm objecting to is the already-mounting conspiracy theory campaign
that Osama was already dead or his killing could have happened at
anytime, but was done now just for politics, or the claim that Obama
would have let him live EXCEPT FOR his need to goose his polling numbers
a little.

---

I haven't read much of that. I have read a lot of us wonder about the odd timing of both the POTUS' statement and the quickie disposal of body. I do think that's odd. I think it signals something about Obama's intentions.

And I don't think it helps us win the war on terrorism to project "we won!" by having the president break in on a Sunday night to make the announcement. I think some DoD official should have released the news during a regular presser. (I was amazed to read that Steyn thought the same.)

If you read your posts and DrewM's it really seems to me that you guys are giving him major atta boys for doing his job -- which, under the Bush doctrine, is basically giving the military commanders free rein to prosecute the war.

Anyway, it's not worth getting in a fight about, but I do think you guys are too quick to see a pattern of behavior by "us" -- I just don't see it. I see a lot of concerned posters since the news, I see a lot of expressions of skepticism about Obama, and really haven't seen much (any?) conspiracy theories. But maybe I've missed the pattern.

I'll wait for Andrew Breitbart's opinion -- since he reads all the comments! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:00 PM (pW2o8)

112 I did think his speech was quite interesting when he started talking about the security of this nation and how we would do anything and everything to protect our citizens all the while our southern border is wide open and drug cartels and human traffickers are killing Americans every week........

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2011 02:00 PM (UK9cE)

113 You know why? Because deWon in his victory speech tried to make it
sound like he did everything, just short of pulling the trigger,
himself.

Meh.

Totally expected from this cretin. It's just what he does.

I don't think that warrants diminishing what a hugely important victory this is. What's pulling so hard at my negative emotions is his fan club acting like they didn't do everything in their power to prevent this success when a guy they hated was in power.

Suddenly they're all about storming into a sovereign nation and just doing what needs to be done.

You know ... unilateralism .... arrogant U.S. cowboy diplomacy. That stuff.

Now, I'm all for that and I always have been -- under this president or any other.

Them? Well, their thoughts on the matter change, quite intensely as a matter of fact, depending on who occupies the Oval Office.


Posted by: Warden at May 02, 2011 02:00 PM (fVIlG)

114 109 The only conspiratorial things last night that I could see would be the astroturfing of the WH demonstration and 1Hr speech delay.
Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2011 01:57 PM (WkuV6)
Are there pictures from the Whitehouse grounds today? Or are they still out there celebrating? How many Flags are just laying on the ground.

Posted by: buzzion at May 02, 2011 02:00 PM (oVQFe)

115 @115
To clarify: "concerned" concerned posters... not real morons who have concerns

Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:01 PM (pW2o8)

116 Mushie wants to get back into Paki politics, right. So he is posturing to crowd in Paki that didn't like him the first time.

If I were him, I would take the money and run.

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2011 02:01 PM (WkuV6)

117
Rule 5.56 baby.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2011 02:01 PM (7YzRS)

118 So what's Pakistan gonna do if they're pissed off? Give Hitler and Tojo sanctuary? They crossed the line long ago (like they were ever on our side of it to begin with) and should be considered dangerous enemies, not reluctant peace partners.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2011 02:01 PM (xMT+4)

119

What do you do when Soulpatch McBallduster the line cook demands you let
him cook what he wants and give him a share of the profits? Is it
worth dying over?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 01:59 PM (U9jjw)


That's Ballduster McSoulpatch to you, sir!!!!!

Posted by: Ballduster McSoulpatch at May 02, 2011 02:01 PM (UK9cE)

120 Giggle fest at the press conference.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2011 02:02 PM (xMT+4)

121 [about some bacon beans]
The TiFW family will be “paying their respects” long into the night….

No, no, not if you use a little Beano first...not accusing, just sayin' is all.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at May 02, 2011 02:02 PM (1hM1d)

122 122

So what's Pakistan gonna do if they're pissed off? Give Hitler and
Tojo sanctuary? They crossed the line long ago (like they were ever on
our side of it to begin with) and should be considered dangerous
enemies, not reluctant peace partners.

They'll let AQ Khan start selling nuke tech to tinpot dictators like Daffy again.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 02:03 PM (UvFnc)

123 I haven't read much of that. I have read a lot of us wonder about the odd timing of both the POTUS' statement and the quickie disposal of body. I do think that's odd. I think it signals something about Obama's intentions.
You must not have been on last night reading Druid's unhinged ramblings.

Posted by: buzzion at May 02, 2011 02:03 PM (oVQFe)

124 Fucking Power Projection, I thought the US was scrapping that shit!

Posted by: Osama Bin Rotten at May 02, 2011 02:03 PM (LdYLm)

125 Good points, Mr. O'Spades.

Thanks go to Obama for letting our military do their jobs. I'll leave it at that.

Everyone of you Morons have a terrific, super, mega-cool OSAMA bin LADEN is barking in HELL day!

Plus, bacon.

Posted by: sifty at May 02, 2011 02:04 PM (kUU1x)

126 >>>If you read your posts and DrewM's it really seems to me that you guys are giving him major atta boys for doing his job -- which, under the Bush doctrine, is basically giving the military commanders free rein to prosecute the war.


You are arguing for diminished praise and shared credit (with Bush). I agree with that 100%.

What I don't agree with is the claim that nothing good happened here and/or it was just because of politics or that crap.

I think that sounds unreasonable and hateful and to the extent that becomes the "Conservative Position" we look sort of unpatriotic ourselves, kind of unwilling to celebrate an unambiguously good event because we're so worried about who it benefits politically.

I do not think Obama is some great president just because he made a no-brainer decision and also just followed up on a key break discovered during bush's term.

But let's not stew so much in political antipathy we wind up sounding like we're not happy that the monster is dead.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:04 PM (nj1bB)

127 Jake Tapper: "Mr. President, with your habit of blaming all your failures on the Bush administration, will you now be crediting George W. Bush with this victory, the groundwork for which was laid years ago?"

Obama: "No, this one's pretty much all me, playa."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 02:05 PM (U9jjw)

128 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:05 PM (nj1bB)

129 You must not have been on last night reading Druid's unhinged ramblings.

No, I wasn't.

But one poster... and kind of a minor one at that? I don't see a pattern. The pattern I saw was an immediate uptick in "concerned" commenters.

Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:06 PM (pW2o8)

130 ace: You know who wants to go down that political road -- Moby and the "concerned christian climate change citizenry".
I'm starting to think Pakistan is the new Somalia. Why does this country even work?

Posted by: wtfci at May 02, 2011 02:06 PM (qITbz)

131 I think that sounds unreasonable and hateful and to the extent that becomes the "Conservative Position" we look sort of unpatriotic ourselves, kind of unwilling to celebrate an unambiguously good event because we're so worried about who it benefits politically.
Well, when I notice that zerO is not pumping this for everything he can get out of it politically, I will have to agree.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 02:06 PM (OlN4e)

132 #132 ace that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. What are ya , a necroifer?

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2011 02:07 PM (UzliN)

133 If AQ Khan leaves Pakistan he won't survive for very long.
In fact, I'd start the countdown on how long he lives at this point even if he is living in retired Pakistani Army brat town.

Posted by: wtfci at May 02, 2011 02:08 PM (qITbz)

134 "But let's not stew so much in political antipathy we wind up sounding like we're not happy that the monster is dead.
" (Ace)

I paraphrased my post on an earlier thread on my Facebook account:

My compliments to President Obama.
Yesterday, he obtained the intelligence of George W. Bush, and acted accordingly.

I consider that giving credit where credit is due.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 02, 2011 02:09 PM (Qxe/p)

135 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge
True, but you assume that they haven't been doing that all along, with a tidy slice of the proceeds going to, say, the ISI. There's no way to know what the Paki reaction will be, but winning hearts and minds ain't gonna happen, so wemight as well hope for regime change. It's Afghanistan with an economy and nukes. It would be nice to have them at least a little bit on our side, but if we can't have that, then fuck 'em and fire up the drones.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2011 02:09 PM (xMT+4)

136 But let's not stew so much in political antipathy we wind up sounding like we're not happy that the monster is dead.


I'm happy he's dead, but I don't feel any safer. I actually feel less safe because I see an administration that is so fucking clueless about the Islamofacists that it thinks disposing of the body in a religiously "sensitive" way accomplishes something.

I'll take shit for this, but I'm not super-happy about the optics of people celebrating, either. Sure, if people spontaneously do it, that's life. But I think some of those celebrations were staged by the administration. At least it seems like the White House one was.


Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:09 PM (pW2o8)

137 132 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:05 PM (nj1bB)
Don't you feel a bit cynical about hatching this theory? Especially in the face of honesty the leftards invariably present?

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 02:10 PM (OlN4e)

138 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:05 PM (nj1bB)
I read that the WH is trying to decide whether to release the pics, because they areworried that they are so gruesomebecause half his brain isexposed. You know, all bloody 'n shit.
I want to see 'em. I deserve hysterical fits of laughter for a change.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 02:10 PM (AkdC5)

139 American first, conservative second.

BTW, if there were a conspiracy theory here, or some politically-motivated timing, they would have killed him three or four months out from the election, not 18 months.

This is the same crap the left did when Bush exposed the skybomb plot -- they claimed it was all politically timed, not a real threat at all, etc. And the timing didn't even make sense -- they claimed it was timed to reassure voters who had picked Lieberman over that liberal idiot (Lamont?) who ran against him in Connecticut.

That makes no sense! They timed the plot to come AFTER an election? To reassure voters aobut a choice theyh ALREADY MADE?!!?!

Huh?

Same thing is going on here with people groping towards some theory that literally strips all credit from Obama.

Some small amount of credit is due. It cannot be reduced to Zero, and no one should try.

Something good happened here and somehow Obama was in the mix. *Some* good must be *partly* due to him.

Sure, Bush would have done the same thing. And McCain too. And Palin. And Romney. And Pawlenty. And everyone else, including, possibly, even Ron Paul.

But still, he gets some small amount of credit.

To try to deny him ALL credit just requires too many contortions of logic and winds up sounding silly.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:10 PM (nj1bB)

140 i'll give the JEF this. he is smart enough to know that if he ever got the chance to kill bin laden, he had to take it. God Bless our Seals and all of the United States Military.

Posted by: Racefan at May 02, 2011 02:10 PM (c/VBA)

141 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.
What makes you think that? What purpose would that serve?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2011 02:11 PM (SY2Kh)

142 And everyone else, including, possibly, even Ron Paul.


Ok, now I know you're off your meds!

;-)


Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:12 PM (pW2o8)

143 >>>I'll take shit for this, but I'm not super-happy about the optics of people celebrating, either.

I can't help but think that all those Obama voters celebrating his death were doing so just out of partisanship. And would have been begruding had bush got him in 2008.

I agree.

That said, I don't want to emulate them and be begrudging about this.

I'm better than they are and want to feel that way.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:13 PM (nj1bB)

144 139
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge
True, but you assume that they haven't been doing that all along,
with a tidy slice of the proceeds going to, say, the ISI. There's no
way to know what the Paki reaction will be, but winning hearts and
minds ain't gonna happen, so wemight as well hope for regime change.
It's Afghanistan with an economy and nukes. It would be nice to have
them at least a little bit on our side, but if we can't have that, then
fuck 'em and fire up the drones.
They may or may not have been doing this all along. If they aren't doing it yet, though, they may step it up soon. That's enough of a reason for Khan to have an "accident", not even going into him selling tech to places like Libya in the 90s and 2000s, as it would be much harder for them to do so without the mastermind in place, even if they still have all of his schematics and assistants around.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 02:13 PM (UvFnc)

145 >>>What makes you think that? What purpose would that serve?

Evidence of the death, for one.

More importantly: Maybe I watch CSI too damn much but I would be autopsying and sampling and analyzing and skin-vacuuming the living shit out that body.

That takes, I'm thinking, more than a few hours.

What can his body tell us? In all likelihood -- nothing. But what if there's something forensically interesting about it? Are we just going to assume this monster has nothing left to tell us in death, or are we going to find out for sure?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:14 PM (nj1bB)

146 But let's not stew so much in political antipathy we wind up sounding like we're not happy that the monster is dead.
Instead, let us open that special jug of Valu-Rite we've been saving for just this occasion, prepare the fatted hobo and let the pudding sit out for a while so's it won't be so cold.
This is a really good day. As someone mentioned upthread, Obama did something good. There's a first time for everything.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 02, 2011 02:15 PM (d0Tfm)

147 Re "credit" to Obama. How much will he merit if he uses this as an excuse to slash military funding and declare the War on Terror won?

Along the lines of the other post about looking things with fresh eyes, what do we now think about the significance of Panetta going over to Defense? I read he was a budget-cutter. Do we think that there is renewed confidence to cut defense budgets in light of this? And, given that they were ready to take OBL out a couple of months ago (at least in terms of knowing where he was), do you think that moving Panetta (or leaking that it woudl be done) was planned in anticipation of assassinating OBL?

Posted by: Y-not hopes God blesses Seal Team Six at May 02, 2011 02:15 PM (pW2o8)

148 I givedeWon credit for making the only possible decision he could make, other than obliteratingOBL's assusing a drone. Never mind. He couldn't make that decision because he had to be able to prove he actually killed the fucker. So yeah, he made the only decision he could make. Good for him.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 02:15 PM (AkdC5)

149 145

I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.

What makes you think that? What purpose would that serve?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2011 02:11 PM (SY2Kh)
We have part of his body, I guessing a large amount of DNA sampling was done before it was turned into Sponge Bob Squarepants chow.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 02, 2011 02:15 PM (LdYLm)

150 Please Please Please Pakistan.....Please declare war on us....Please.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 02, 2011 02:17 PM (pdRb1)

151 Yeah, I'm happy he is dead. Up until yesterday I thought he was dead, and nobody could tell me different.

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 02:18 PM (OlN4e)

152 Related - There's an article up at Hotair claiming that the compound where we found OBL used to be an ISI safehouse.

Someone in the comments also claims that we nabbed the head of the ISI when we got OBL.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 02:18 PM (UvFnc)

153 That takes, I'm thinking, more than a few hours.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:14 PM (nj1bB)
yeah, that's exactly what I wonder about. Why/how the hell did we kill the SOB, fly his ass to Asscanistan, and then dump him to the fishes in less than 12 hours.Especially taking the time to wash him all cleany and givehim the good ole muzzie bye-byes.I just don't get the hurry.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 02:19 PM (AkdC5)

154 To be clear:

I am extremely glad that OBL sleeps with the fishes.

Kudos to the Navy SEALS for executing the plan. Kudos to our intelligence community for painstakingly uncovering his location. Kudos to President for Obama for giving the "go-ahead" for the mission.

Unrepentant loathing for the anti-war Left for suddenly finding their patriotism under the column marked "D". Unrepentant loathing for President Obama's appeal for a restoration of the national unity we felt on 9/12/2001 when he, his party and his supporters worked tirelessly and ceaselessly to tear down that very unity almost from Day One.

In the meantime, gasoline prices are topping $4.00 per gallon around the country. In the meantime, prices for food, particularly for everyday staples, are rising at an alarming rate. In the meantime, the systematic disassembling of our health care insurance system by this Administration proceeds unabated. In the meantime, The Fed and Helicopter Ben upped the Mint's printing presses to warp speed.

The Left will crow about this for as long as they can. Ignore them. It is the items in the last paragraph on which the next election will turn. Give the military and intelligence communities all due credit and give President Obama whatever credit you think he deserves. Do these, and refocus on the issues that count. Obama still is weak and he is very much beatable. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: ya2daup at May 02, 2011 02:19 PM (Wqfrr)

155 I assumed Al Qaeda had a response to Osamas death through third hand info but I can't find one reported. Anyone aware if they made a statement?

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2011 02:20 PM (UzliN)

156 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.

I'd keep it. Then stuff it full of candy and let the kids beat it open with sticks at the next White House Easter celebration.

Obama's probably having it delivered to the White House in secret.

I just wanted to kiss the magnificence of your manhole one last time before you journey to Paradise, imam. My most humble apologies, Eminence, BUT OBIZZLE AIN'T ABOUT TO LOSE THIS ELECTION, HOLMES!

Ass-Slam A-Lickem, imam.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 02:21 PM (U9jjw)

157 Here's what I would definitely keep for future analysis, at a minimum:

Extensive skin samples, cut from his body. Never know -- could be chemicals embedded there which are useful forensically as far as his movements.

Extensive bone core samples. Same as above.

Stomach contents. Probably nothing, but I'd keep it, just in case.

A lot of his hair. Same.

All of the blood you can drain from him. Same.

His liver. Just because of the diabetes.

And yes, the fucker's full brain.

Who knows what defects we can find in it with future medical scans? I'd keep that.

So... even if we dumped the body I'd keep all of the interesting parts of it that I *M I G H T * want to examine further.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:21 PM (nj1bB)

158 Of course I wouldn't admit any of that.

I support the government lying in the appropriate national-security case. It's like troop movements or nuke secrets. Need to know basis.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:23 PM (nj1bB)

159 Evidence of the death, for one. More importantly: Maybe I watch CSI too damn much but I would be autopsying and sampling and analyzing and skin-vacuuming the living shit out that body. That takes, I'm thinking, more than a few hours. What can his body tell us? In all likelihood -- nothing. But what if there's something forensically interesting about it? Are we just going to assume this monster has nothing left to tell us in death, or are we going to find out for sure?
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:14 PM (nj1bB)
You're talking about an administration that will allow Blacks to get away with election tampering just because they are black. And not to mention they bend over three times to tie themselve into knots in order to lick Islam's butthole. They would certainly dump the body and sacrifice everything else in order to act respectful of Islamic tradition.

Posted by: buzzion at May 02, 2011 02:23 PM (oVQFe)

160 Evidence of the death, for one. More importantly: Maybe I watch CSI too damn much but I would be autopsying and sampling and analyzing and skin-vacuuming the living shit out that body.
Meh; it's not like the cause of death (a rifle bullet to the brain) is in doubt. They say they have photos, but apparently they're pretty gruesome.A high velocity rifle bullet to the skull at close range doesn't make clean holes; there's a good chance that part of his head was blown completely off or open.
If there's something to be learned through extensive forensic examination, I don't know what it could be.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2011 02:24 PM (SY2Kh)

161 Can you imagine how many of these fucktards are shitting in their caftans right now?

If I was in Pakistan I'd move...right about now.

Posted by: mpfs at May 02, 2011 02:24 PM (3TjSM)

162 #161 you have to keep the bones. They are the key.

Posted by: Temperance Brennan at May 02, 2011 02:24 PM (UzliN)

163 "That takes, I'm thinking, more than a few hours.
" (Ace)

After Obama personally shot Bin Laden, he gave a DNA sample to Abby at NCIS.

Gibbs will personally confirm that.
(no -- the OTHER Gibbs)

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 02, 2011 02:24 PM (Qxe/p)

164 140 Y-Not - I agree on the celebrations thing either. A high five at the bar, a good fist pump, a loud Boorah, and then continue kickin their ass, but not celebrating in the streets, that is what 'they' do, and we are better than that.

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at May 02, 2011 02:25 PM (akFDL)

165 If I dumped "his body," sure, I might be dumping *most* of his body, but I definitely would keep an awful lot if it.

Personally, even if I thought there'd be no forensically interesting aspects of it, I'd still keep it, just to gaze upon it on occasion when I was feeling blue and needed a pick-me-up.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:25 PM (nj1bB)

166 Obama - the sun even shines on a dogs ass some days

Posted by: Jackhole at May 02, 2011 02:25 PM (+qHxi)

167 >>>Meh; it's not like the cause of death (a rifle bullet to the brain) is in doubt

That's not at all what I mean, see my subsequent posts above.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:26 PM (nj1bB)

168 Re Blood and Liver:

It would be interesting to know which medicines he was able to procure, no?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:27 PM (nj1bB)

169 We have part of his body, I guessing a large amount of DNA sampling was done before it was turned into Sponge Bob Squarepants chow.
I'm sure they do. Examining his brain for defects is probably out of the question though, unless they took the time to scrape them off the wall.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2011 02:27 PM (SY2Kh)

170 Maybe they were common medicines. Maybe there's no story in that.

On the other hand -- you NEVER know. Specific medicine might give away its specific plant of manufacture.

Who knows.

Point is, we have crucial potential evidence here -- potential -- and we shouldn't just toss it away out of respect for this vile thing.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:28 PM (nj1bB)

171 Not that I wish to revisit the issue with the persons who were part of the conversation, but my fellow former vestry members and minister can eat it for contracting the "tut-tuts" and exhibiting the cringing heebie-jeebies when I raised the subject of a just war as my focus topic for our meeting in October 2001.
A tremendous part of why I am no longer a member of that congregation, matched in size only by their hypocritical attempt to expel the BSA Troop that they sponsored after the SCOTUS decision in the late 1990s.

Posted by: ya2daup at May 02, 2011 02:29 PM (Wqfrr)

172 Hell. The son of a bitch was living in a walled compound in a city of 100,000 or so. What couldn't he procure?

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2011 02:30 PM (OlN4e)

173 132 I betcha we have the body, and we're lying about disposing of it.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2011 02:05 PM (nj1bB)

Yes. I'm betting a plate of lamb sagwala that he's buried in a tomb on a missile base somewhere in the upper midwest where nobody goes but wolves and highly unfortunate airmen.

Posted by: joncelli at May 02, 2011 02:31 PM (RD7QR)

174 Right Ace, let's just assume the best of our esteemed President. He wasn't playing to the blood lust of the masses to get political points. He wasn't making shady deals with a shady Pakistani government! Bin laden is dead and terrorism is over!! woo hoo!!

PS: Paul Ryan has tons of charisma.

Posted by: kathleen at May 02, 2011 02:34 PM (pe+nj)

175 And yes, the fucker's full brain.

Who knows what defects we can find in it with future medical scans? I'd keep that.

Hmm...

I think I found what's causin' those headaches, Mr. Bin Laden. It seems there's a giant canoe-shaped hole in your melon.


HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Sucks to be you, BITCH!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2011 02:36 PM (U9jjw)

176 Why not take all of me?

Posted by: Zombie Osama Bin Laden at May 02, 2011 02:38 PM (sOtz/)

177 deWon is probably going to hold back the pics until he sees that dumbasses are running all over the place with conspiracy theories like the birthers did. Then, when it's politically expedient for him, he'llproduce the photosand laugh and make jokes at their expense.

Posted by: Steph at May 02, 2011 02:41 PM (AkdC5)

178 This is where Bush screwed up, he should never have trusted the Pakis. IN fact he should never have trusted the Arabians as well,

In fact he should not have trusted any Muslim state....

Clinton did not get it, Obama does not either...

Folks we don't have any Muslim allies, never have and never will.

Posted by: MinstrelBoy at May 02, 2011 02:42 PM (rwioF)

179 I would just about bet that DUUH WON didn't even know about it until it was over.

Posted by: harleycowboy at May 02, 2011 02:44 PM (BGVHF)

180 Retired Pakistani Army three star general, Hamid Gul, who headed coordination with the US during Reagan's administration, called out the Obama administration deceit dumping the Muslim body in the ocean on the supposed premise of conducting a burial that somehow honors Muslim law or tradition.

Posted by: by any other name at May 02, 2011 02:48 PM (H+LJc)

181 184
Retired Pakistani Army three star general, Hamid Gul,
who headed coordination with the US during Reagan's administration,
called out the Obama administration deceit dumping the Muslim body in
the ocean on the supposed premise of conducting a burial that somehow
honors Muslim law or tradition.

He's probably upset because having a firefight at OBL's house violates the Homeowner's Association agreement for his neighborhood.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 02:53 PM (UvFnc)

182 Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, is skeptical of the decision to dump the body in the ocean.

Not to be concerned, celebrants, since Graham never holds to any of his initial responses posed as indignation to stupidity.

Posted by: by any other name at May 02, 2011 02:54 PM (H+LJc)

183 The terrorists are the ISI. Kill the ISI.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at May 02, 2011 03:04 PM (QcFbt)

184 The Chinese news agency says that the ISI killed UBL, then the US came and took his body.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 02, 2011 03:12 PM (tvs2p)

185 Brandon In Baton Rouge

Did you actually think before typing?

His point disputes Obama's Military expertise regarding Muslim burial law that has no burial at sea tradition under the circumstances.

Obama embodies Deceit.

That Obama would lie with a lovely voice does not persuade me to trust the lie.

That Obama would lie with news of what I would like to hear does not persuade me to trust Obama's words.

As Reagan said, TRUST BUT VERIFY. And oops, there went the body.

As the Romans said, deceive the public with what they want to hear.

That Osama is dead is old news, given the many reports of his death through the last 9 years including Albright's account. That this story breaks now should make the public scrutinize what the story's affect has on the public, on ourselves, while the federal authoritarians usurp and abuse still more power "for our own good".

Lest morons misconstrue, it's good to know now that our government's official position is finally that Osama bin Laden is dead. However, given the utter extent that our government officials go to play the opposite game with truth, it would not surprise me at some future point for a subsequent generation of federal propagandists to produce the living OBL in order to redirect the public effort into the next globalist agenda direction, excusing last night's story as mistaken identity.

Posted by: by any other name at May 02, 2011 03:18 PM (H+LJc)

186 What, no one can joke on here?

I'm pointing out that the whole goddamn city OBL lived in was military central, with tons of retired officers living there. The guy being an ex-general in the Pakistani army in that situation lends itself to jokes.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 02, 2011 03:21 PM (UvFnc)

187 Obama's announcement last night forgot to mention plans to dump the body into the ocean at earliest convenience.

Posted by: by any other name at May 02, 2011 03:21 PM (H+LJc)

188 Wow, what a military tactitian. OBL's contingengy in his own defensive compound was to use women as human shields? More evidence that Bush got the man responsible for 9/11, Kalid Sheik Mohammed. No self destruct mechanism? Even liberals can write movies wherein a soldier hides a grenade under his armpit in order to take everyone he can along with him.

Posted by: Cub Scout Pack 652 at May 02, 2011 03:41 PM (nBE5A)

189 Musharraf: It's Not Acceptable That You Entered Pakistan To Kill The Man We Some Women Were Protecting
FIFY

Posted by: Cub Scout Pack 652 at May 02, 2011 03:42 PM (nBE5A)

190 Brandon In Baton Rouge

We weren't laughing when the Pentagon was hit, nor when Ft. Hood residents (civilian and military personnel) were killed in terrorist attacks.

Military operations don't make me laugh. Terrorism never makes me laugh. When the US Federal authoritarian Government conducts terrorism, I can't laugh while cringing at horror.

Obvious propaganda ploys do not make me laugh. And watching the voters who should be analytically scrupulous fall lock step into authoritarian line does not make me laugh.

That sensibility is castigated in favor of mob group-think is no laughing matter.

When I first heard Andrea Mitchell alter what the message would be coming from Obama last night, I had to turn it off. As if the President's important national message needed to be postponed while media fronts decided what the story would be, either this or that -- oh, it will definitely be that, made me sick to think how stupid everyone would be at this belated "announcement" -- all softened up and ready for another "justifiable" TSA rape performed daily according to official protocol. You see, none of this is funny. "Making" it funny only makes the unacceptable become acceptable through revision of meaning and loss of sensibility.

"Taking terrorism over there so they can't bring it here" is convoluted. Obama has officially instigated war with Pakistan. It's not just Predators, it's official ground forces invading Pakistan. And readers here applaud because Obama claims that last night the dead Osama was finally killed (again). Obama's miracle. And without mentioning it in his presidential message, the military then dumped a casket said to contain the body of evidence into the ocean. And no one thinks twice while given the explanation "according to Muslim law" is bullshit.

Posted by: by any other name at May 02, 2011 03:54 PM (H+LJc)

191 "If it doesn't have sovereignty -- control -- in fact, it also loses sovereignty as far as the law."

uuuuuuh, Say what now?

Posted by: Wobbly state of AZ at May 02, 2011 04:04 PM (XyjRQ)

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That would be stupid.

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