Deal? $39 Billion?

Yeah, as Allah notes, we're accruing new deficits of $50 billion per week. Per week. And that's not even what we're spending per week -- that's just the part we're spending but not paying for.

So, $39 billion? Whatever. I guess it's... not really a start. Sort of a hesitant first inkling at taking a shy look at a start.

Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion in spending for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution late Friday night to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form.

As bad as this is, it doesn't mean it's over; we can and should keep pressing for cuts whenever we have some leverage. Which will be frequently.

Posted by: Ace at 09:56 PM



Comments

1 2012 God Dammit - new Senate new President - these socialist fucks are fucking up America. Fuck Fuck Fuck

Posted by: izoneguy at April 08, 2011 09:59 PM (83mM1)

2 The House Republican Conference is meeting now. Since Boehner runs an open process, I expect they might be in there for a long time. If they say no, he will also most likely say no.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 09:59 PM (uVLrI)

3 Ace, it's over. The experiment is over.

Posted by: journolist at April 08, 2011 10:00 PM (iHfo1)

4 Hooray. We've staved off collapse until after lunch.

Posted by: nickless at April 08, 2011 10:00 PM (MMC8r)

5 They do this dance to probe for weaknesses and gauge the Public.

Meh

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:00 PM (dT+/n)

6 Pennies on the dollar. We've only delayed the inevitable for but a brief moment.

Posted by: Sotark at April 08, 2011 10:01 PM (dOnVI)

7 @MarkKnoller

On the Hill, @jacksonjk
quotes GOP aides quoting Speaker Boehner saying there is no deal yet.

www.nationalreview.com/tweet

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:01 PM (uVLrI)

8 Tear up the fucking credit card. NOW!

Posted by: USA at April 08, 2011 10:01 PM (YZISw)

9 Deal or No Deal?


I said No Deal asshats!

Posted by: dogfish at April 08, 2011 10:01 PM (N2yhW)

10 This is less important than the Ryan Plan.
That this is a "win" for the GOP and conservatives is evident: we're debating howbig of a cut in federal spending is acceptable.
Keep your eye on the prize. If we've framed the argument, we will win the argument. It just might take more than six months.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (tNWxq)

11 BS! Shut er down andcut another program every day they don't deal.

Posted by: 57 states at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (NgXds)

12 Call and tweet and email. Fuck Reid. Just heard Pat Cadell talk about how dumb the GOP continues to be. We need to be the brains they don't have. ITS UP TO US. An election is just Phase I; we then have to poke this GOP idiots into saving the Republic.

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (bgSjf)

13 We are all to blame for this. You, me, all of us. We allowed this to happen. Shame on every single one of us.

Posted by: Joffen at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (EPcuy)

14 We'll get 'en NEXT time---when we have every single seat in Congress and the White House!

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (gJNMj)

15
O/T

Trump spanks scrunt Gail Collins in the New York Times.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (ZHsNw)

16 Several reporters have now said "treat
the $40 billion cuts figure with caution".

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:03 PM (uVLrI)

17 you know credit cards can be frozen when you go over limits, Why is China still funding us? what;'s in it for them?

Posted by: willow at April 08, 2011 10:03 PM (h+qn8)

18 So, how do your ankles feel, republicans? Need a platoon of chiropractors to address the kinked backs from bending over?

You spineless pieces of Obama.

You have lost me for life.

Posted by: George Washington at April 08, 2011 10:03 PM (y0VOX)

19 Now that a budget is passed that will stop a shutdown, the GOP can start cutting like a bitch.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:03 PM (dT+/n)

20 They've got to fund the military or my toilet will explode!

Posted by: Northwesterner at April 08, 2011 10:05 PM (/Ft4q)

21 OK, I see our compromise. What the fuck did they compromise?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:05 PM (McG46)

22 One time when I was a little kid, I was outside stepping on ants. ( I had a weird fixation with that.)
My dad came out just as I'd stamped on one and crushed its lower half.
Astheant wriggled itsfront legs, trying in vainto get the rest of it unstuck from the cement porch, my Dad angrily walked over and stamped on it, then said to me, "If you're going to spend your time killing ants for no good reason, at least kill them without making them suffer."
I think America could use my dad right now.

Posted by: Warden at April 08, 2011 10:06 PM (qaQeF)

23 Anyone who knows how to read a balance sheetknowswe are operating in zombie mode inside Alicein Wonderland.
Don't forget to judge this against the backdrop of a 15T national debt and unfunded liabilites of 75T and against a dollar that is skidding fast. And above all, don't forget to take into consideration the fact gold is trading near 1,500 and silver at 40 with inflation revving its engines.
Now lets talk about the bullshit that just went down.

Posted by: journolist at April 08, 2011 10:06 PM (iHfo1)

24 How much do we save per day with a shutdown?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 08, 2011 10:06 PM (4ZxEW)

25 If Repubs do not get at lest 61 Billion, when they had run on 100 Billion, they are done.
If you can't even get this amount, when we need about 100X that amount... if you can't even get .5% of the DEFICIT (1.27 TRILLION) then they are toast.
As Monty would say.... DOOMMMMMM!

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:06 PM (NtXW4)

26 A greasy city slicker from New York
Was punching his doggie named "Dork"
It bawled and it spewed a small globblet of goo
And old Schumer chowed it down like pork

Posted by: A Fookin' Irish Cowboy Poet at April 08, 2011 10:07 PM (FaFnu)

27
I've officially joined the team that says deficits are no big deal.
And since they're no big deal, I'm not paying any more taxes. Shouldn't be a big deal.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 08, 2011 10:07 PM (r1h5M)

28 Fucking Boehner. Like Rush and Levin already said, if you can't get this deal done, what makes you think you can get Ryan's plan through?

I am so fucking sick of this spineless GOP "leadership."

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:07 PM (iVwvq)

29

Is the lightbulb ban repeal in this?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 08, 2011 10:07 PM (bAySe)

30 romeo. word.

Posted by: journolist at April 08, 2011 10:07 PM (iHfo1)

31 I should say, this is less important than 'debate over the Ryan Plan.'
We're trying to complete a 180 degree turn on conventional, popular economic convention wisdom that was prevailing less than a year ago. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (tNWxq)

32 Folks should keep in mind that this is LAST year's budget that is being negotiated. In other words, the budget year we are operating on now, FY2011. This Congress hasn't even started working on the FY2012 budget yet, which should by rights be its first budget.

The only reason we are getting $39 billion is because the Democrats never passed the budget last year. And considering that the year is half over already, if they can cut $39 billion, that is almost $80 billion at an annualized rate.

We should be thankful to get *anything* at all as even $39 billion is gravy we shouldn't even be getting except for Democrat stupidity.


Posted by: crosspatch at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (ZbLJZ)

33
The Congressional on-premise drugstore is completely sold out of KY-Jelly according to sore ass republican's.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (ZHsNw)

34
If Boehner got something high enough, then I say take it while there's
still money left to cut from FY '11. As every day goes by, more of that money disappears into the sinkhole and they need to grab it before it's gone.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (uVLrI)

35 They need to go.
Every career politician in DC has to go.
If someone answers, "I'm a Politician", when asked what they do: Up against the wall with them.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (WfSej)

36 Anyone who knows how to read a balance sheetknowswe are operating in zombie mode inside Alicein Wonderland.
Balance sheet?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 08, 2011 10:09 PM (qaQeF)

37 The reporters just can't help trying to listen through closed doors.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:09 PM (uVLrI)

38 "As bad as this is, it doesn't mean it's over;"

Yes it does.

Posted by: Bugler at April 08, 2011 10:09 PM (VXBR1)

39 Harry: Hey John, I have a great deal for you. I will give you FOUR shiny new pennies for just ONE nickel.
John: Done, sucker!

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:09 PM (McG46)

40
Just think of all of the young hot women who will now have to go without clothes because of the heartless Republican cuts!
Hey wait...

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 08, 2011 10:10 PM (r1h5M)

41 I'm picturing the deal taking place in a big room with two dozen supermodels standing on a stage, each one holding a golden briefcase. The Congressmen have to keep "calling the Banker."

Nah, probably nothing like that after all.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 08, 2011 10:10 PM (AZGON)

42 We're trying to complete a 180 degree turn on conventional, popular
economic convention wisdom that was prevailing less than a year ago.
Keep your eyes on the prize.

But the GOP folds, and folds, and folds. Every fucking time. They want to be seen as the good guys, when the MSM treats them like villains no matter what they do. They had little or nothing to lose with a shutdown, and they caved, anyway.

Personally, I am sick of seeing them bend over and take it in the ass from the likes of Reid.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:11 PM (iVwvq)

43 Does anyone here doubt that some members of the R's will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED!!!1!1111!! when they are still raped, pillaged, plundered and left for dead (figuratively speaking, of course for those of you in the WI SEIU) by the MFM.

I guarantee you some of them are expecting parades and additions to Mr Rushmore.

Amateurs who are only slightly less statist than Obama and his lefties.


Posted by: The Hammer at April 08, 2011 10:11 PM (32ubA)

44
... a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders ...

A complete, abject surrender. The 2012 GOP primaries will be a BLOODBATH!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 08, 2011 10:11 PM (zpByr)

45 Pussies!

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (veZ9n)

46 38
"As bad as this is, it doesn't mean it's over;"





Yes it does.


THIS!!! And the worst part is that the Dems and Obama will come out looking great on this. Even moreso than the MBM usually shows them. They didn't compromise a fucking thing. We blew it. Again.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (iVwvq)

47 Let me be more clear: Stop whining.
We're 2 years in to a 10-year debate, minimum,to change federal spending for the next decade. And we were pretty much out of the race just 2 years ago.
Think in at least 10-year stages. Or don't bother thinking about it.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (tNWxq)

48 We should be thankful to get *anything* at all as even $39 billion is gravy we shouldn't even be getting except for Democrat stupidity.
Posted by: crosspatch at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (ZbLJZ)
Bullshit... the first Rule of HOLES.... when in a HOLE, STOP DIGGING!
They can't even agree on LESS than .5% of what we are OVER SPENDING.
TEA Party folks, like myself, are about to go NUTS on Washington, INCLUDING the Repubs...
We voted Bush in, and he expanded the Government... we listened last election to the Repubs who said they had learned... but now THEY are Caving...
Expect calls for a Third Party to begin on Tax Day...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:13 PM (NtXW4)

49 Could we ceasfire until we know what actually is going to happen?

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:13 PM (fHX3h)

50 Everything the GOP is doing is focused on the 2012 Elections.

They need the House, Senate, and WH to do what needs to be done.

It is not possible now.

This is a skirmish.

The Dems lost because they agreed to cuts and there are no tax increases "to pay for it".

Planned Parenthood was used to bait the Dems into a shutdown fight.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:14 PM (dT+/n)

51 A complete, abject surrender. The 2012 GOP primaries will be a BLOODBATH!





Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 08, 2011 10:11 PM (zpByr)
Yeah, except you just never know if you're gonna get what you vote for...

Posted by: antisocialist at April 08, 2011 10:14 PM (Rwudm)

52 But the GOP folds, and folds, and folds. Every fucking time. They want
to be seen as the good guys, when the MSM treats them like villains no
matter what they do. They had little or nothing to lose with a
shutdown, and they caved, anyway.

And they'll all go out for drinks afterwards. Collegiality and all that. If you dare question their tactics, it's you who's the fool because you rubes don't know how things work up in Washington.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 08, 2011 10:14 PM (GEPoZ)

53 42
But the GOP folds, and folds,
and folds. Every fucking time. They want to be seen as the good guys,
when the MSM treats them like villains no matter what they do. They
had little or nothing to lose with a shutdown, and they caved, anyway.Personally,
I am sick of seeing them bend over and take it in the ass from the
likes of Reid.


But did we? We still don't know any possible final terms and this thing won't be finalized by tonight even if the conference agrees. Hal Rogers and his staff haven't written yet. I would also add that Boehner got Reid to move from $0B to something much higher. But I want to see what they got before I completely decide.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:14 PM (uVLrI)

54 We are all to blame for this. You, me, all of us. We allowed this to happen. Shame on every single one of us.
Posted by: Joffen at April 08, 2011 10:02 PM (EPcuy)
Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: ErikW at April 08, 2011 10:15 PM (Rga6Q)

55 Here lies the Republican party. They tried, but never offended.

RIP

Posted by: Fritz at April 08, 2011 10:15 PM (FaFnu)

56 Republicans are proving themselves too weak to lead us out of this mess.

Posted by: USA at April 08, 2011 10:15 PM (YZISw)

57 Allen West on Greta now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:15 PM (iVwvq)

58 We're 2 years in to a 10-year debate, minimum,to change federal spending for the next decade. And we were pretty much out of the race just 2 years ago.
Think in at least 10-year stages. Or don't bother thinking about it.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (tNWxq)
What good does it do us to think in 10-year stages when the MOST the politicians ever look ahead is 2 years. And it's usually more like days.This isn't going to be one big conversation. It's going to be a whole bunch of little conversations, at least 5, all starting from scratch, with the same liberal assumptions baked into the cake and the same liberals covering it.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (McG46)

59 47
Let me be more clear: Stop whining.
We're 2 years in to a 10-year debate, minimum,to change federal spending for the next decade. And we were pretty much out of the race just 2 years ago.
Think in at least 10-year stages. Or don't bother thinking about it.
Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (tNWxq)
I have a plan that will save your life in 10 years. You'll be dead in 8, but we're still looking at that 10 year plan as the way to go.

Posted by: buzzion at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (oVQFe)

60 Could we ceasfire until we know what actually is going to happen?
Battered Con Syndrome. We're not sure what happened yet, but we look into the weepy face of John's Boner and we see defeat.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (gJNMj)

61 But did we? We still don't know
any possible final terms and this thing won't be finalized by tonight
even if the conference agrees. Hal Rogers and his staff haven't written
yet. I would also add that Boehner got Reid to move from $0B to
something much higher. But I want to see what they got before I
completely decide.

I hereby denounce myself if a miracle - in this case, $61 billion - happens. But I'm a realist when it comes to the GOP. They'll fold like Kenny Rogers.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (iVwvq)

62 THIS!!! And
the worst part is that the Dems and Obama will come out looking great
on this. Even moreso than the MBM usually shows them. They didn't
compromise a fucking thing. We blew it. Again.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:12 PM (iVwvq)
And Obama will be first in line in front of the cameras, taking credit for how HE made the Republicans cave. Right before he takes Worff and the kiddies on vacation.

Posted by: antisocialist at April 08, 2011 10:17 PM (Rwudm)

63 I don't think there's any way to fix this. Far, far too many greedy piglets for the old sow to feed.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 08, 2011 10:17 PM (vbh31)

64 46
38
THIS!!! And the worst part is that
the Dems and Obama will come out looking great on this. Even moreso
than the MBM usually shows them. They didn't compromise a fucking
thing. We blew it. Again.

Reid pretty much said he would not cut one damn dime, so cutting anything is a compromise on their part. Remember that just 1 day ago they could not stand to part with one penny of $12B just to fund the troops.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:17 PM (uVLrI)

65 West just used "Currahee" in a sentence. Help us, Major West. You're our only hope!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:17 PM (iVwvq)

66 We should be thankful to get *anything* at all as even $39 billion is gravy we shouldn't even be getting except for Democrat stupidity.
Posted by: crosspatch at April 08, 2011 10:08 PM (ZbLJZ)
Ahhh... buying into the Media spin...
Lets see... Dems want more Government, and the Repubs, by holding the House CAN stop them from spending ANYTHING... they can SHUT IT DOWN... but don't have the Cajones to call the Dems bluff.
They 'could' help fix a Generation of government mismanagement... but instead... cave and play the Dems inside the beltway sping game...
If the Repubs had the Nads, they would just say "DAM the next election cycle, we are going to do what is RIGHT, not what is in our interests Politicaly'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:18 PM (NtXW4)

67 Personally, I am sick of seeing them bend over and take it in the ass from the likes of Reid.Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:11 PM (iVwvq)
WTF Wyatt?
We control ONE CHAMBER of a two-chamber Congress, and one party out of a three-party deal: GOP House, Dem Senate, and Dem White House.
And, with those odds, the debate is over whether or not the cuts in federal spending are big enough.
We're turning an ocean liner, the one that even the 2000-2008 GOP was stearing leftward.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:18 PM (tNWxq)

68 Help us, Major Lt. Colonel West.

I will not type in anger . . .

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:18 PM (iVwvq)

69 Last Week my wife said Trump? He has got to be kidding!

Today my wife said "I'm voting for Trump."

She is a definite barometer for sure.

Posted by: NortonPete at April 08, 2011 10:19 PM (fVuwW)

70 The conventional wisdom from the more moderate conservative talking heads(most of Fox and Fox Business)is to do the deal now,shut down is a political loser.I don't agree.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:19 PM (fHX3h)

71 If we can't have West for president in '12, and some Mccain wannabe wins, I say we primary with West in '16.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:20 PM (AkdC5)

72 Dem Rep Jason Altmire just said he would take this. Also, Stiles is saying that non-essential personnel still have to be gone by midnight.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:20 PM (uVLrI)

73 We're turning an ocean liner, the one that even the 2000-2008 GOP was stearing leftward.

Yeah, but I voted for anti-lock brakes and power steering!

Sorry, just pissed at seeing Reid's smug little face. A face that will only get more smug after midnight, I fear.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:20 PM (iVwvq)

74 Reid pretty much said he would not cut one damn dime,
so cutting anything is a compromise on their part. Remember that just 1
day ago they could not stand to part with one penny of $12B just to
fund the troops.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:17 PM (uVLrI)
Which shows exactly how much Reid and the Dems controlled the conversation. Spending has jumped massively in the last 4 years, and yet Reid gets to act like, and we let him, every penny is precious. And he gets away with holding out on the troops.
They're running us.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:20 PM (McG46)

75 Today my wife said "I'm voting for Trump."



She is a definite barometer for sure.
Uh, oh.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 08, 2011 10:20 PM (vbh31)

76 Update from Roll Call:

Boehner tells gop deal not yet done but very close, asks support for
short term bill, source in meeting says

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:21 PM (uVLrI)

77 What did you guys expect, a cut of $1 trillion?

They could cut 5 times what was promised and we are still fucked.

And that $500 billion cut can't happen now. It's impossible.

The only thing that can produce the changes we need is the GOP controlling all three branches.

This deal stops the shutdown and sets the stage for more deals, and now the model is cuts, no tax increases.

This is a small but important victory.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:21 PM (dT+/n)

78 Pussys. We the going gets tough, we get drunk and cave.

Posted by: Kemp at April 08, 2011 10:21 PM (JpFM9)

79 Which shows exactly how much Reid and the Dems controlled the conversation.
This is why we need to feed them a crap sandwich by letting the gov't shutdown last as long as possible.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2011 10:21 PM (WfSej)

80 69, make sure your wife knows Trump donates to pro abortion far left democrats.

Posted by: Dan at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (mXBxH)

81 We the going gets tough, we get drunk and cave.

Ah, the motto of the ONT.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (iVwvq)

82 We control ONE CHAMBER of a two-chamber Congress,
and one party out of a three-party deal: GOP House, Dem Senate, and Dem
White House.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:18 PM (tNWxq)
Yeah, cool it people. Soon we'll own the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, like during the Bush years, and we can take an ax to out of control spending, like we did during the Bush years.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (McG46)

83 I say we primary with West in '16.

The voting booth may be a fond memory by then.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (vbh31)

84 It's time for new House leadership. NOW!

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:23 PM (G/MYk)

85 It's not a done deal yet. Looks like they're going with a 3-7 day CR, maybe 3-4?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (uVLrI)

86 82 In fairness,the deficit seemed controllable(and was),entitlements needed to be reformed no matter what,the Bush spending didn't kill us.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (fHX3h)

87 Find the short term deal. Get what we can. Short term it one more time.
Hold out until the question of raising the debt limit comes to pass.
Force THEM to justify spending money for poetry readings, abortions, whatever when we are discussing raising the debt limit from $14 trillioon to Friggin' oblivion.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (4ABat)

88
"Non-essential govt workers
must not work past midnight. Many fed web sites closing up shop now. #govshutdown"

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (uVLrI)

89 Time to repost this: the Zombietime Hall of Shame.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Nice photos of our "opponents."

Posted by: Beverly at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (mp3z3)

90 Bums. Go big or go go home. No really, we'll kick your asses out of office. Go home.

Posted by: President Obama at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (tsC/8)

91 We control ONE CHAMBER of a two-chamber Congress

Don't sell yourself short, you Extremist Tea Bagger.
That's 33% of the whole Government.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (WfSej)

92 Hooray! Bison and children live to see another day!

Posted by: Liberal Idiot at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (vbh31)

93 What good does it do us to think in 10-year stages when the MOST the politicians ever look ahead is 2 years. And it's usually more like days.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (McG46)
Why? For the same reason every online conservative should think in those terms: those politicians come and go; the only battle has ever mattered is the one over ideas.
We've beenin the middle of a Spending Tsunami, one that a majority of voters chose by a clear margin. First you weather the wave. Stabilize. And rebuild.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (tNWxq)

94 /sock

Posted by: Z Ryan at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (tsC/8)

95 Shut the federal monster down.

Posted by: CMU VET at April 08, 2011 10:25 PM (1TKhX)

96 CJ, I don't mean to sound demeaning nor come across as argumentative. However, I don't really believe you quite understand the depth of the discussion relative to unfunded liabilities, debt and our monetary policy.
We don't have a 10 year cycle.
We are inside not a cycle as much as a game changing economic maelstrom of which deficit spending and an insolvent banking system bouyed by a zero fed fund rate and a fake stock market are about to intersect. The dynamic of such an intersection will change the world in ways we could only a few years ago never ever imagined.
Trust me. Things are going to get real ugly economically. And here we are at an impasse over 31B with the "real" fight to come for FY 2012.
Sorry if I'm not buying your happy, happy.

Posted by: journolist at April 08, 2011 10:26 PM (iHfo1)

97 #78 That was "when" not "we". Guess I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

Posted by: Kemp at April 08, 2011 10:26 PM (JpFM9)

98 We control ONE CHAMBER of a two-chamber Congress, and one party out of a three-party deal: GOP House, Dem Senate, and Dem White House.
I'm glad you clarified that. Thanks.

Posted by: StrangernFiction at April 08, 2011 10:26 PM (dKCBV)

99 Boehner: Shutdown to be averted with 5 to 6 day stopgap cutting $3
billion.

Which would be added-onto whatever deal he has.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:27 PM (uVLrI)

100 Will I still get my SS check on the 27th? Dat all I care about.

Posted by: Old fart on the tit, Kemp at April 08, 2011 10:27 PM (JpFM9)

101 "Non-essential govt workers must not work past midnight. Many fed web sites closing up shop now. #govshutdown"
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (uVLrI)
So, officially, the government is shut down @ midnight, even if they agree on a short term CR? How long does it stay shut down?

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:27 PM (AkdC5)

102 We the going gets tough, we get drunk and cave.Ah, the motto of the ONT.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (iVwvq)
Well, alcohol is a depressive substance and yes, you lot are a bunch of pessimistic pussies, generally.

Posted by: ErikW at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (Rga6Q)

103 >>Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:13 PM (NtXW4)

I understand the rage but what would you have wanted? In the grand scheme of things, the difference between $100 billion and $80 billion agains the debt we are in isn't even a rounding error.

$100 billion isn't some economic benchmark, it was a campaign theme. But in the real world, the important thing is changing the focus from how much more are we going to spend every year to how much are we going to cut.

I've been on the doom train for a long, long time. What's going on now is important for setting the new tone, the numbers are really just a parlor game. Ryan's budget is the real game and now everyone in the country knows we have to cut and cut deeply, the Dems have admitted as much.

If the Repubs fail on the 2012 that's the time to freak out, not that it will make any difference. Doom will be inevitable.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (TMB3S)

104 I am not buying into any media spin, that is my own conclusion based on my own analysis.

If they REALLY want to kick ass on the FY 2012 budget, they probably shouldn't wear the public out on this one which doesn't mean much as the fiscal year is already half over and concentrate on the next one. The way it stands now, we are going to have the public on pins and needles while the Democrats drag this out, and then as soon as this budget passes they will immediately need to start the process all over again.

The people are going to be so sick of hearing "budget" come September that it is going to be hard to get support from the middle.

Don't take my word for it, just watch and see.

Posted by: crosspatch at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (ZbLJZ)

105 >> We don't have a 10 year cycle. 

'Zactly. Go back and look at Geoff's chart from earlier this week.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (veZ9n)

106 Well, alcohol is a depressive substance and yes, you lot are a bunch of pessimistic pussies, generally.

Hey! I'm right here!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (iVwvq)

107 If this is the deal, Boehner got rolled. He'll get rolled on the 2012 budget as well.

Boehner is useless.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (uhAkr)

108 If these cocksuckers are going to pass ANYTHING, better do it soon. Almost out of time.

Posted by: Vyceroy at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (lMjim)

109 In fairness,the deficit seemed controllable(and was),entitlements needed to be reformed no matter what,the Bush spending didn't kill us.
Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (fHX3h)
Yeah well it went a long way towards killing us. The problem with Bush spending was that it increased the size of government. It was systemic, each year you have to fund Homeland Security, Seniors Drugs, our permanent state of war, no child left behind, on and on.
You can't just add up what he spent while he was in office, he left a legacy of permanent spending.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (MtwBb)

110 Looks like we got fucked right in the Overton Window.

Again.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (PgmR7)

111 In fairness,the deficit seemed controllable(and
was),entitlements needed to be reformed no matter what,the Bush spending
didn't kill us.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:24 PM (fHX3h)
Yeah, it did. We controlled every known branch of gummint, and we jacked up spending. What if we'd cut spending? Bambi would at least have started from a lower baseline. Why didn't we cut spending?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (McG46)

112 101 So, officially, the government is shut down @
midnight, even if they agree on a short term CR? How long does it stay
shut down?

The govt stays-open if they pass the stop-gap, but it will be closed until they pass the bill.

Boehner is on CSPAN now.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (uVLrI)

113 Confusion reigns in my head. Exactly when can they go for more cuts? this funds the rest of FY thru Sept, right? how does this help, they got talked down from their number and the other side gave up diddly squat?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (Z1jiu)

114 Anybody ever go to a car dealership and wanting a $30K car for $20K but start out the negation offering $28K?
...
I didn't think so.
...
Don't tell me this is how one starts to cut TRILLIONs.

Posted by: dogfish at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (N2yhW)

115 I have a plan that will save your life in 10 years. You'll be dead in 8, but we're still looking at that 10 year plan as the way to go.
Posted by: buzzion at April 08, 2011 10:16 PM (oVQFe)
Which is a webby witty retort that offers absolutely nothing.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (tNWxq)

116 The Republicans have the fighting instincts of sheep when it comes to taking on the media: Sarah Palin

Paul Ryan's plan is toast if they give up as we have noted, the Republicans don't have the Senate or Whitehouse. His plan is dead if they concede every battle. The social issues are fiscal issues as noted that we are giving money to a multi million dollar corporation whose main profits come from abortion. The EPA can cost business in this country millions of dollars. The riders are perfectly reasonable, the problem is Republicans refuse to run to all the news outlets with the tapes exposing PP as the scum they are.

Posted by: Obama's People at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (P+Wuq)

117 Oh, wait, they're replaying loop from this morning.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (uVLrI)

118 >> If the Repubs fail on the 2012 that's the time to freak out, not that it will make any difference. Doom will be inevitable.

Agreed. Which is why their caving on this one is all the more maddening.

It's a blueprint.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 10:31 PM (veZ9n)

119 So what would a shutdown accomplish?

Balance the budget?

End Democrat power?

Eliminate the debt?

The shutdown just brings us back right here.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:31 PM (dT+/n)

120 Boehner is useless.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (uhAkr)
But he weeps like a champion.I'll tell you something, if he's not crying tonight, then his crying reflex is totally fucked up and disconnected to reality - just a hobby, really. And I really HATE hobby cryers.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:31 PM (G/MYk)

121 Oh, wait, they're replaying loop from this morning.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (uVLrI)
They almost tricked me too earlier this evening with that loop from this morning.

Posted by: Tami at April 08, 2011 10:31 PM (VuLos)

122 Doom will be inevitable.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (TMB3S)
Yup, one thing about spending more than you make. Sooner or later it's self correcting. They call it a depression.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:32 PM (MtwBb)

123 Boehner and his crew have to know that not only Dick Morris (who harps on it every time he's on the tube) but Mark Levin and Rush (today) said that anything less than $100 billion will be seen as failure.
I can just see Boehner staffers whispering in his ear the minute Rush makes a do or die pronouncement and Boehner rolling his eyes.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 08, 2011 10:32 PM (urYpw)

124 In the grand scheme of things, the difference between $100
billion and $80 billion agains the debt we are in isn't even a rounding
error.


Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (TMB3S)
This is not an argument to settle for crumbs. This is an argument to cut MORE. An amount GREATER than a rounding error. That DOES make a difference. If it doesn't make a difference, what the fuck are those assholes wasting our time and money doing?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:32 PM (McG46)

125 Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:28 PM (TMB3S)
Soooo... in your opinion it OK for polticians to LIE to get elected???
Many of us had a REAL trust problem with the Repubs, and their leadership... so they say 'hey, we'll cut 100 billion if you vote for us!'
So... we bite our toungue and vote for them... even though they had burned us fiscal cons during the Bush years...
Now? empty rhetoric? blatant LIE?... but of course... just like last election the Meme will be you HAVE to vote for us... or somthing even worse will win...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:32 PM (NtXW4)

126 109 111 Bush was no conservative,that's a fact.His debts were not the monsters this current shitbag has created though.Yes,he grew the government,I especially had problem with the whole new Homeland Security bureacracy.I knew that was a massive waste.He also should have used the veto pen alot more from 2006 until the end.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:33 PM (fHX3h)

127 >> We controlled every known branch of gummint, and we jacked up spending

Only controlled it four out of the eight years and never with a filibuster- proof majority in the senate.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 10:33 PM (veZ9n)

128 >>It's a blueprint.

Maybe. In which case I will be as angry as anyone. But I'm hoping the real blueprint was getting the Dems to stop negotiating on home much to raise spending but how much to cut it.

Aside from the usual lunatics like Schumer and Slaughter, Dems have been agreeing that we need to make big spending cuts. When has that ever happened? Ever?

I'm trying to hold on the a shred of hope here. Let me DREAM!

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:34 PM (TMB3S)

129 Which is a webby witty retort that offers absolutely nothing.


Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:30 PM (tNWxq)
How about this? We don't have 10 years to argue while keeping the status quo. The federal debt will double.
And if the politicians reset the argument every two years at most, then a ten year plan is nice and all, but irrelevant.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:34 PM (McG46)

130 113
Confusion reigns in my head. Exactly when can they go for more cuts?
this funds the rest of FY thru Sept, right? how does this help, they
got talked down from their number and the other side gave up diddly
squat?

They're passing a stop-gap so that Appropriations (Rogers' committee) can write a bill. If I understand correctly, the total will be $42B for FY '11, which ends on September 1st. The GOP budget was expected to be voted-on next Friday, though--if it actually got passed-- it wouldn't take effect until October 1st.

As for the #, Reid started from 0, so the Dems did in fact move.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:35 PM (uVLrI)

131 We got 100 billion in cuts.
Would you belive 60 billion in cuts?
Would you believe 39 billion in cuts?
How about 100 greenstamps?

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at April 08, 2011 10:35 PM (98AOY)

132 55
Here lies the Republican party. They tried, but never offended.

RIP


Posted by: Fritz at April 08, 2011 10:15 PM (FaFnu)
I know it's important that we all freak out because we only got $39B in cuts instead of $60B, but we weren't going to do that much better. We only have the House. They have the Senate and White House.The important thing is that finally -- FINALLY -- the deficit is the major issue in America. It needs to stay that way through November 2012.
We weren't going to cut a trillion in spending today (with last year's budget) but we had to start somewhere.

Posted by: robviously at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (pprkn)

133 Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:31 PM (dT+/n)
Simple... Dems want to spend money... We do not....
A shut down SAVES money... it aint being spent... thus.. Fiscal Cons win... Dems Loose...
They would negotiate in good faith if they really thought the Gov would be shut down... so they could get THEIR spending going again...
Can't BRIBE people for votes, unless you can deliver the money...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (NtXW4)

134 Yeah, cool it people. Soon we'll own the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, like during the Bush years, and we can take an ax to out of control spending, like we did during the Bush years.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (McG46)
Which is another way of saying what I just said: "We're turning an ocean liner, the one that even the 2000-2008 GOP was stearing leftward."
Except the actual years the GOP controlled it all, was 2002-2006. They were not elected on the strength of cutting spending, they were elected on the reaction to 9/11. And they were unelected on reaction to the Iraq War challenges.
Reducing spending wasn't on the radar, because we didn't put it there. Now it is.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (tNWxq)

135 Would you believe 39 billion in cuts?
How about 100 greenstamps?

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at April 08, 2011 10:35 PM (98AOY)
Some pretty cool magic beans.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (McG46)

136 Actually, if they did get $39B, that's higher than the # that the leadership told Paul Ryan to announce at the start.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (uVLrI)

137 Confusion reigns in my head.

Welcome to my nightmare.

Posted by: Barack "You Are So Boned" Obama at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (vbh31)

138 what the fuck are those assholes wasting our time and money doing?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:32 PM (McG46)

They are trying to keep the House, and win the Senate and WH, and at the same time change the scene such that cuts and no tax increases are the only options.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (dT+/n)

139 131
We got 100 billion in cuts.
Would you belive 60 billion in cuts?
Would you believe 39 billion in cuts?
How about 100 greenstamps?
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at April 08, 2011 10:35 PM (98AOY)
/golf clap...
Well Played...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (NtXW4)

140
What continues to amaze me is how many people in this country are ok with its certain destruction - how many people who think that being in debt this far is harmless, even good. How is it possible for people to believe other assholes who say that this kind of fiscal policy is good. That's why I think this country is lost.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (r1h5M)

141 Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell
National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39
billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion in spending for the
defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP
agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned
Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing
resolution late Friday night to keep the government operating while the
deal is written in bill form.
SO WE ARE ALREADY F@#*@U#*@#!!!!! SURRENDERING?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 08, 2011 10:37 PM (7BU4a)

142 As for the #, Reid started from 0, so the Dems did in fact move.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:35 PM (uVLrI)
Yeah, they moved all right. It was the perfect place for the weazel to start. If he gave up anything he'll still spin it like it was the hardest thing they ever had to do, and LOOK WHAT THE REPUBLIPUKES MADE US DO! ELEVENTY!!!111!

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:38 PM (AkdC5)

143 >> I'm trying to hold on the a shred of hope here. Let me DREAM!

Hahaha. Beer glass is half-full.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 10:38 PM (veZ9n)

144 Guy at console: Foster's right, we're losing this thing.
Fran: We're blowing it ourselves.
What movie?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 08, 2011 10:38 PM (gJNMj)

145 I am growing tired of pessimistic assholes here. I spent alot of money to help the GOP win in 2010. I donated to the Wusconson Repubs. We are winning all the electoral battles.
Keep fighting, or rather, START FIGHTING.
Above all: Those of you who don't participate, qutit coming here to cry!!

Posted by: mghorning at April 08, 2011 10:38 PM (LdCDg)

146 The House will be voting tonight to get a short extension + cuts.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:38 PM (uVLrI)

147 Yeah, it did. We controlled every
known branch of gummint, and we jacked up spending. What if we'd cut
spending? Bambi would at least have started from a lower baseline. Why
didn't we cut spending?


Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:29 PM (McG46)
Bush couldn't control himself on spending (as he was always a big government, globalist fool) but spending is not what killed the GOP under Bush. It was amnesty that did that. That was the death blow, and people warned about it as those jerkoffs kept trying to ram that treasonous bill through.At least that's how I've seen it for years. I remember people changing their political registration during the shamnesty debacle ... and the stupid GOP never had a clue, even as people would tell them, "You are being treasonous assholes whom we want out of office!"

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:39 PM (G/MYk)

148 I dare any entrepreneur in this country to run their business in this fashion.

Go ahead.
Just slap my pink ass with a fudge covered fuckstick.

Thank you, sir/madame, may I have another.

Posted by: Fritz at April 08, 2011 10:40 PM (FaFnu)

149 134
Yeah, cool it people. Soon we'll own the
Presidency, the House, and the Senate, like during the Bush years, and
we can take an ax to out of control spending, like we did during the
Bush years.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:22 PM (McG46)

Which is another way of saying what I just said: "We're turning an ocean liner, the one that even the 2000-2008 GOP was stearing leftward."

Except the actual years the GOP controlled it all, was 2002-2006.
They were not elected on the strength of cutting spending, they were
elected on the reaction to 9/11. And they were unelected on reaction to
the Iraq War challenges.

Reducing spending wasn't on the radar, because we didn't put it there. Now it is.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (tNWxq)
CJ, please! We're trying to have a good freak out about how horrible everything is. If you keep making sense like that, it's never going to take.

Posted by: robviously at April 08, 2011 10:40 PM (pprkn)

150 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (NtXW4)


You could save $500 billion and still we would be fucked. BTW, the shutdown does not stop SS payments.

The shutdown gets you only emotional satisfaction.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:40 PM (dT+/n)

151 Which is another way of saying what I just said: "We're turning an ocean liner, the one that even the 2000-2008 GOP was stearing leftward."

I thought the problem now was that the GOP wasn't steering. When they steer, they go left.
Except the actual years the GOP controlled it all, was 2002-2006.
They were not elected on the strength of cutting spending, they were
elected on the reaction to 9/11. And they were unelected on reaction to
the Iraq War challenges.
Reducing spending wasn't on the radar, because we didn't put it there. Now it is.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:36 PM (tNWxq)Crap. Spending has been an issue since at least 1980. And they were elected to do all of the above.
Excuse them all you like, but they sure as fuck weren't elected to act like Democrats.



Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:41 PM (McG46)

152 So... we bite our toungue and vote for them... even though they had burned us fiscal cons during the Bush years...

Now? empty rhetoric? blatant LIE? ... but of course... just like last election the Meme will be you HAVE to vote for us... or somthing even worse will win...

I never meant to hurt you, baby. It's just that I love you so much that sometimes I get so crazy...

Look baby, just vote for me one more time and I swear, this time it'll be different. I'm a changed party, I'm-

What?

What the fuck did you just ask me?

[SLAP] [SLAP]

BECAUSE I FELT LIKE SPENDING IT, BITCH! YOU WANNA MAKE A FUCKING MANIAC OUTTA ME?!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 08, 2011 10:41 PM (PgmR7)

153 How about this? We don't have 10 years to argue while keeping the status quo. The federal debt will double.
And if the politicians reset the argument every two years at most, then a ten year plan is nice and all, but irrelevant.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:34 PM (McG46)
WE let this go on for much more than 10 years. Been going on for our lifetimes.
Of course we have 10 years to undo a half century of assumptions. I'd rather move in real, partial progress, than make the same short term leaps that focus on the next election andallowed USto let this get to this point.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:41 PM (tNWxq)

154 At least that's how I've seen it
for years. I remember people changing their political registration
during the shamnesty debacle ... and the stupid GOP never had a clue,
even as people would tell them, "You are being treasonous assholes whom
we want out of office!"


Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:39 PM (G/MYk)
Psst...don't listen to those wingnuts - the voters love amnesty. It will be a Republican wave from here to eternity if you just ignore your base...

Posted by: The Helpful State Media at April 08, 2011 10:42 PM (7BU4a)

155 >>Soooo... in your opinion it OK for polticians to LIE to get elected???

You're kidding right? A politician who doesn't lie or to be more, ahem, political, shade the truth hasn't been invented.

Besides, I never believed they would get $100 billion. Why? They don't control the government, only a part. I know this keeps getting said over and over but if you only control the House you don't get what you want, you get what you can negotiate.

I'm pretty sure the candidates who ran for office understood this and probably assumed you did too. I expected them to fight to get as much as they could and I think they did. For now.

I don't think to much of politicians on the whole. Most are ego maniacal blowhards and I sure as hell expect them to disappoint me. It's what they do. But they are moving the ball in the right direction and that's a start.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:42 PM (TMB3S)

156 At this point, the important battle is with the minds of the public. Even a 100 billion dollar cut would not have been enough, though better than what it appears we are going to get.
We need to continously show that the real villains are the Democrat, specifically the leadership of Pelosi and Reid, with the complicity of the bumbler Obama, in running up the deficit in the last four years, and especially since Obumble was President.
Yeah, blame Bush once again. The Republicans lost the House and the Senate in 2006, and that's when the Democrats put the pedal to the floor on spending, creating "the new normal", or the baseline for what has been happening. Bush accepted it as the cost for keeping up the war effort in Iraq.
They (the Democrats) are the villains here because of the real damage they are going to do to every family, the Middle Class, every homeowner, due to the galloping inflation that is starting to take hold. The only way to fight inflation is to aggresively control the money supply, and the biggest tool is interest rates. What happens to the deficit if interest rates go to 5%, 6%....12% (like 1980)? How do we possible SERVICE the DEBT at those rates?
Every chance everyone has, the Democrats have to be exposed as the irresponsible criminals that they are, virtually robbing every family in the country of their future.
So go ahead and beat up on Boehner, for a generation of growing entitlements and general failure to control spending. That should make you feel good tomorrow, too.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 08, 2011 10:42 PM (sJTmU)

157 up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion in spending for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution late Friday night to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form.Sooo, $39 billion in cuts from an outrageous POS budget from '10. That's not a fucking cut from anything. Sorry, that's just bullshit of the highest order.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:43 PM (AkdC5)

158 I'm trying desperately hard not to shout GOD DAMN ALL YOU SPINELESS BASTARDS TO HELL, but it's not going very well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 08, 2011 10:43 PM (bxiXv)

159 142Yeah, they moved all right. It was the perfect place
for the weazel to start. If he gave up anything he'll still spin it
like it was the hardest thing they ever had to do, and LOOK WHAT THE
REPUBLIPUKES MADE US DO! ELEVENTY!!!111!
They had to make a deal eventually under law. Whether a shutdown would have yielded more or not, I'm not sure. All the details have not yet been posted.


I'll add that the Dems are unhappy with Reid and the lib reporters are wishing Schumer was Senate Majority Leader because Schumer is at least intelligent. It's actually surprising how much Reid is being taunted right now.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:44 PM (uVLrI)

160 WE let this go on for much more than 10 years. Been going on for our lifetimes.
Of course we have 10 years to undo a half century of
assumptions. I'd rather move in real, partial progress, than make the
same short term leaps that focus on the next election andallowed USto
let this get to this point.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:41 PM (tNWxq)
But we can't let it go on even as much as ten more years. Every month of additional spending adds years of interest payments. This is urgent.Eh, what am I saying. If we go broke and can't borrow money, guess what? Gummint will get smaller. But it'll be a lot tougher on minorities and the poor. And wymyn.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (McG46)

161 What was that whole thing about electability again?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (A/oSU)

162

Keep in mind, $40b in year to year program cuts is worth alot more than $200b in one time expenditures.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (bAySe)

163 Question to all the armchair Otto Von Bismarcks who think Boehner has just won Trafalgar: why did Boehner pledge to cut 100 billion from the 2011 budget if it was so damn impossible for us to accomplish anything?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (uhAkr)

164 Look, if we got $39 Billion this time and $16 Billion that last two times that is $54 Billion.
There is the other $40 Billion in fuzzy math from what Obama wanted to what was passed in the original CR in December.
That's $94 Billion less than Obama's 2011 budget
I am not sure what they based their origanal $100 Billion promise on but I would suspect it was Obama's budget since that was all that was available during the election.
So it looks like they made close to the $100 Billion but I am not sure about $40 Billion of it, in that I don't know what they promised.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (MtwBb)

165 Hey cry babies take a listen to Mark Levin's show online tonight. He will juice your lemons for you. Mark is amped up and telling it like it is. We are winning every battle we enter so now is the time to push and fight harder. I have been in this thing since forced school busing and Johnson's not so 'Great Society'. Its like this when you walk 40 miles into the woods it takes 40 miles to walk out. So buck up!

Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 08, 2011 10:46 PM (oNphh)

166 because Schumer is at least intelligent

Actually, he's not.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (G/MYk)

167 Empire of Jeff, you are one of the reasons I love this place. Jeebus, you make me laugh.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (AkdC5)

168 From Jake Tapper:

Dem and GOP sources: Deal is done and signed off on. $38.5b in cuts, no elimination of Planned Parenthood funding

Posted by: Tami at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (VuLos)

169 166 He's shrewd though.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (fHX3h)

170 Look, if we got $39 Billion this time and $16 Billion that last two times that is $54 Billion.
There is the other $40 Billion in fuzzy math from what Obama wanted to what was passed in the original CR in December.
That's $94 Billion less than Obama's 2011 budget
I am not sure what they based their origanal $100 Billion promise on
but I would suspect it was Obama's budget since that was all that was
available during the election.
So it looks like they made close to the $100 Billion but I am not
sure about $40 Billion of it, in that I don't know what they promised.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (MtwBb)We just got $2.5 trillion in big government programs. Sucker.

Posted by: San Fran Nan at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (McG46)

171 Oh, BULLSHIT. Some of you people are still trying to apply golf rules to a boxing match.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 08, 2011 10:47 PM (gJNMj)

172 157
Sooo, $39 billion in cuts from an
outrageous POS budget from '10. That's not a fucking cut from
anything. Sorry, that's just bullshit of the highest order.

The Dems did not pass a budget for this fiscal year. What they did instead was pass a CR to fund the govt through March, and the reason they've kept doing these stop-gap measures is because they're required to pass a budget for FY '11. Congress approved a measure in 1974 stating this and the Dems got away with not abiding by it last calendar year because the MFM covered for them.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:48 PM (uVLrI)

173 Drove my Prius to the gas pump, and the gas pump was dry...

Posted by: Zombie Don McLean at April 08, 2011 10:48 PM (vbh31)

174 Dem and GOP sources: Deal is done and signed off on. $38.5b in cuts, no elimination of Planned Parenthood funding

*Blink!*

Posted by: The GOP at April 08, 2011 10:48 PM (uhAkr)

175 Eh, what am I saying. If we go
broke and can't borrow money, guess what? Gummint will get smaller.


Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (McG46)
Or bigger. Much, much bigger, as totalitarianism usually follows monetary collapse.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:48 PM (G/MYk)

176 The House can pass a bill today to stop all SS payments.

That would stop the runaway train dead.

Ooops, Senate and Ebola.

Ok, the House passes something helpful, but not enough to stop Doom.

Senate and Ebola again.

The House passes something token to us, painful to the Dems, and establishes the new normal: "Cuts only, No taxes".

This is where we are now.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:49 PM (dT+/n)

177 I'll add that the Dems are unhappy with Reid and the lib reporters are wishing Schumer was Senate Majority Leader because Schumer is at least intelligent. It's actually surprising how much Reid is being taunted right now.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:44 PM (uVLrI)
Well, I guess it'snice to see some good come of this.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:50 PM (AkdC5)

178 166
Actually, he's not.

I know he's not, but they seem to think he's smarter than Reid. How scary is that? But Reid is not getting any favorable coverage right now. I imagine his floor speech is going to be an attempt to sound like he did something real. Wonder if Schumer will be behind him giving him the answers?

/Schumer keeps standing behind Reid at pressers and whispering talking-points.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:50 PM (uVLrI)

179 Spending has been an issue since at least 1980. And they were elected to do all of the above.Excuse them all you like, but they sure as fuck weren't elected to act like Democrats.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:41 PM (McG46)
They're politicians, FUBAR. They'll do whatever the fuck they think they have to do to win enough votes to stay in office. They're not Marvel Comic characters. They won't CUT annual spending, or more importantly make the structural Paul Ryan changes, until WE make the alternative less attractive.
We didn't do that before. Spending "has been an issue" doesn't come close. It needs to be THE issue. NOW it's in a position to make the alternative less attractive. As I noted, such a scenario, the 2011-12 scenario,hasn't been in place in decades.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:51 PM (tNWxq)

180 >>why did Boehner pledge to cut 100 billion from the 2011 budget if it was so damn impossible for us to accomplish anything?

You do know the are about to negotiate the debt limit in the next couple weeks, right?

We've only just begun.....

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 10:51 PM (TMB3S)

181 How the hell can the GOP, and the Dems for that matter, justify a dime for Planned Parenthood with a $1.6T deficit?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 08, 2011 10:51 PM (7BU4a)

182 Conservative candidated need tour help and your cash.
PLAY BALL!!!!

Posted by: mghorning at April 08, 2011 10:51 PM (LdCDg)

183 Carl Cameron just said the deal on abortion is as follows.
when they write the actual rest of the budget after this extension it will include.
$3 billion more in cuts
No funding for abortion in D. C.
promise of an up or down vote on defunding planned parenthood in the senate.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:52 PM (MtwBb)

184 I despise Schumer, but he is wickedly smart and you are foolish to underestimate your oposition.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 08, 2011 10:52 PM (7EV/g)

185 Look, if we got $39 Billion this time and $16 Billion that last two times that is $54 Billion.
There is the other $40 Billion in fuzzy math from what Obama wanted to what was passed in the original CR in December.
That's $94 Billion less than Obama's 2011 budget
Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (MtwBb)
That's all bullshit, though. People expected 100 billion cut from last year's budget level, not from some insane Indonesian's idea of a spend-fest.This is why the GOP leadership are such assholes.I really, really, really want to see the Weeping Boner gone from the leadership. He is the worst, and at a very important time. There isn't any slack in the system to accomodate a mediocre talent like the Weeping Boner at such a consequential time.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:52 PM (G/MYk)

186
I despise Schumer, but he is wickedly smart and you are foolish to underestimate your oposition.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 08, 2011 10:52 PM (7EV/g)
Sorry, but Chuck just never struck me as having a brain.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:53 PM (G/MYk)

187 because Schumer is at least intelligentActually, he's not.
Posted by: iknowtheleft
He's a glib, corrupt, crooked liar. Clever in a criminal sort of way, able to hide his criminality like most of the Democrats, "Because he cares", or the usual rot that they trot out to hide the theft and corruption in the mis-appropriation of billions.
It's what Christie is fighting in Jersey and Walker in Wisconsin and Kasich in Ohio; this stupid mindset that we have to spend so much damn money that we don't have, to show that we "care", and make sure that Grandma and Uncle Billy get out next November and vote for the crooked Democrats one more time.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 08, 2011 10:53 PM (sJTmU)

188 Fuckface is on TV.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:54 PM (G/MYk)

189 Boehner talking now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:54 PM (iVwvq)

190 Look, if we got $39 Billion this time and $16 Billion that last two times that is $54 Billion.
posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (MtwBb)
Um, if I'm not mistaken it's $39 billion period. The last two times are added to what they got this time for a total of $39 bil.
Now, don't you feel better?

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (AkdC5)

191 That's all bullshit, though. People expected 100 billion cut from last year's budget level, not from some insane Indonesian's idea of a spend-fest.
Well that's the part I am not clear on. If that's the case they got a little over half way there.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (MtwBb)

192 In the time it took you to say, "We just saved $39 billion," I just spent $39 billion.

Congratulations.

And there goes another $25 billion.

Posted by: Government's Gaping Maw at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (swuwV)

193 180
>>why did Boehner pledge to cut 100 billion from the 2011 budget
if it was so damn impossible for us to accomplish anything?

The Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy wrote The Pledge*, and he did so under the bizarre assumption we were going to win the Senate. Something you should also know about McCarthy is that he's only a member of the leadership because he's a great fundraiser and recruiter. Some of the most conservative members of Congress are there because he put them there. That's where his usefulness ends.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (uVLrI)

194 Perfect SAT scores, Harvard and Harvard Law. That means that I want him nowhere near me, but it also means he's very intelligent. To deny that is just ridiculous.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (7EV/g)

195 Well that's the part I am not clear on. If that's the case they got a little over half way there.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (MtwBb)
Yeah ... they failed miserably.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (G/MYk)

196 The dickheads (andboner) should have been in the drivers seat just because thedums never passed a budget when they were in control.WTH ?

Posted by: Jackhole at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (EcI3F)

197 Um, if I'm not mistaken it's $39 billion period. The last two times are added to what they got this time for a total of $39 bil.
Now, don't you feel better?
Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:55 PM (AkdC5)
I think you are mistaken. The previous two cuts have already been made and even the dems have been saying that they already made those cuts and the $39 Billion was in additon to it.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (MtwBb)

198 This is bullshit. The government just got done stealing $15,000 from me in "taxes". Nice to know my money will go to pay for 3 or 4 abortions.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (lrf0Y)

199 promise of an up or down vote on defunding planned parenthood in the senate.
Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:52 PM (MtwBb)
That means they only need 51 to pass it, right?

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (AkdC5)

200 boned.

Posted by: DKS at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (3vrnt)

201 188 Fuckface is on TV.

AM NOT!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at April 08, 2011 10:58 PM (LdCDg)

202 Perfect SAT scores, Harvard and Harvard Law. That
means that I want him nowhere near me, but it also means he's very
intelligent. To deny that is just ridiculous.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (7EV/g)
The SAT scores mean something, but Harvard and Harvard Law are jokes.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 10:58 PM (G/MYk)

203 BOEHNERED

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 10:58 PM (iVwvq)

204 In the decade following the '95 shutdowntheGOP controlled the Senate for all but two years and the House for every year. In the 50 years prior the 'ratsheld the Senate for all but ten years and the House for all but two.
Just something to consider.

Posted by: StrangernFiction at April 08, 2011 10:59 PM (dKCBV)

205 CJ, I don't mean to sound demeaning nor come across as argumentative. However, I don't really believe you quite understand the depth of the discussion relative to unfunded liabilities, debt and our monetary policy. We don't have a 10 year cycle.
journolist at April 08, 2011 10:26 PM (iHfo1)
That's the thing. I do understand the depth. That's why I don't treat this like a reality TV episode or aWWF cage match.
You're either too young, or weren't paying attentin (I suspect neither) for the last half century when federal government was steadily, consistently, growing. During Reagan, the Bushes, all of it.
This is much bigger than an annual budget, and cuts that amount to fractions of fractions of the "unfunded liabilities" you mention.
And guess what? Five minutes after an agreement, and the annual budget is signed....The debate on the next budget starts anew.
Big picture, folks.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:59 PM (tNWxq)

206 The previous two cuts have already been made and even the dems have been saying that they already made those cuts and the $39 Billion was in additon to it.
Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (MtwBb)
I hope you're right, but I thought someone else here said it was all included in the 39 bil. Of course, I've been drinking heavily, so I probably misread.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:59 PM (AkdC5)

207 That means they only need 51 to pass it, right?
Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 10:57 PM (AkdC5)
Yes, but Obama would still have to sign it.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (MtwBb)

208 You guys are bitching because you didn't get something that won't do you any good anyway.

"He promised!"

*sob!*

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (dT+/n)

209 They're politicians, FUBAR. They'll do whatever
the fuck they think they have to do to win enough votes to stay in
office. They're not Marvel Comic characters. They won't CUT annual
spending, or more importantly make the structural Paul Ryan changes,
until WE make the alternative less attractive.
We didn't do that before. Spending "has been an issue" doesn't come
close. It needs to be THE issue. NOW it's in a position to make the
alternative less attractive. As I noted, such a scenario, the 2011-12
scenario,hasn't been in place in decades.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:51 PM (tNWxq)
I agree. Only their politicians seem perfectly willing to fall on their swords for their principles beliefs. Ours don't. Also, when ours talk like the future of the Republic depends on it, shouldn't they also act like it?

Posted by: San Fran Nan at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (McG46)

210 Look, either we're about to go over the cliff, or we're not. If we are, slowing the car from 120 down to 115 isn't really cause for celebration.

IMO, many on our side of the isle don't believe things are dire. They don't believe the statism is a problem and they don't believe we're in at or near the abyss.

If they did, they would scoff at such a pittance of "cuts" and do whatever is legally and ethically necessary to get spending reductions that are real.

They just don't believe it.

Posted by: The Hammer at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (32ubA)

211 I don't care if Boehner asks for $500B in cuts, he's still a fucking spineless worm and needs to be gone.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 08, 2011 11:01 PM (EL+OC)

212 185 That's all bullshit, though. People expected 100 billion
cut from last year's budget level, not from some insane Indonesian's
idea of a spend-fest.

We didn't have a budget level because there was no budget! They used the spending level because Obama had actually been going by his request for a time. Besides, it's a normal procedure to measure against the president's request.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:01 PM (uVLrI)

213 Cameron is saying that Reid also agreed to an up or down vote on defunding the $105 Billion in Obamacare that Bachman found.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:02 PM (MtwBb)

214 Horrible. FAIL for Boner and his band of GOP pussies.

Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:02 PM (BZEkR)

215 The press is now crying into their beer.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:02 PM (uVLrI)

216 Yes, but Obama would still have to sign it.
Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (MtwBb)
And, if he vetoes it, one more thing against him in the '12 election. The last survey showed there are more pro-life than pro-abortion in the country.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:03 PM (AkdC5)

217 Jake Tapper:

GOP Congressman: “Extensive riders - fairly remarkable.” Though not Planned Parenthood rider. More to come

Posted by: Tami at April 08, 2011 11:03 PM (VuLos)

218 And guess what? Five minutes after an agreement, and the annual budget is signed....The debate on the next budget starts anew.
Big picture, folks.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 10:59 PM (tNWxq)

You really think a man afraid -not just afraid, terrified- of a shutdown is going to seriously tackle entitlements?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 11:04 PM (uhAkr)

219 And, if he vetoes it, one more thing against him in the '12 election. The last survey showed there are more pro-life than pro-abortion in the country.
Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:03 PM (AkdC5)
That's right, and between now and then we need to out those fuckers for what they really are and let Obsama suck it.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:05 PM (MtwBb)

220 Eh, what am I saying. If we go broke and can't borrow money, guess what? Gummint will get smaller. But it'll be a lot tougher on minorities and the poor. And wymyn.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 10:45 PM (McG46)
FUBAR, this is debate on the FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. Nothing in this will save or cause the gummint to go broke, or lead us to a glorious new day of fiscal restraint.
This is all a set up to a debate on the Paul Ryan plan. And, the debate, now, is over how much to cut. That serves the big picture and staves off collapse, not theatrics over a budget deadine that will mean close to NOTHING in a matter of months.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:06 PM (tNWxq)

221 "Our brave men and women in uniform."

You mean the ones whose checks you were gonna hold on to, jackass?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 11:06 PM (iVwvq)

222 It's a loss.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 08, 2011 11:06 PM (DGIWi)

223 the zer0 is giving a effin campaign speech

Posted by: Jackhole at April 08, 2011 11:06 PM (EcI3F)

224 NO!!!

We should not "keep the pressure on"

We should primary and defeat, even if it means electing a demmie, every single rep or senator who voted for this mess.

We needed our guys to stand firm for $61 billion, which was not even really a hint of a start in itself.

And they caved.

F**K them, get rid of them. All of them.

John Henry

Posted by: john henry at April 08, 2011 11:06 PM (TSGfg)

225 --We didn't have a budget level because there was no budget!


We had a budget last year (fiscal 2010). This is the 2011 budget the GOP was just smothered to death with.

--They used the spending level because Obama had actually been going by
his request for a time. Besides, it's a normal procedure to measure
against the president's request.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:01 PM (uVLrI)
Obama's only a Precedent, so I don't know why anyone would look at any insane thing he does. He is not a serious person. Everyone knows this.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:07 PM (G/MYk)

226 The gall of this bastard zer0

Posted by: Jackhole at April 08, 2011 11:07 PM (EcI3F)

227 Cameron is saying that Reid also agreed to an up or down vote on defunding the $105 Billion in Obamacare that Bachman found.
Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:02 PM (MtwBb)
And, if passed, deWon vetoes it, and another ad against him for '12.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:07 PM (AkdC5)

228 This shit is making me f@cking nuts.

Posted by: sybilll at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (9Htrx)

229 I still think these folksy family anecdotes are entirely made up. Obama never heard from 8th graders. Lying fuck.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (iVwvq)

230
I was having a hard time putting my finger on John Boehner's negotiating style, but its finally come to me:
"My dad gave me one dollar bill
‘Cause I’m his smartest son,
And I swapped it for two shiny quarters
‘Cause two is more than one!
And then I took the quarters
And traded them to Lou
For three dimes—I guess he don’t know
That three is more than two!"

Posted by: Sean P at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (/y+vg)

231 213
Cameron is saying that Reid also agreed to an up or down vote on
defunding the $105 Billion in Obamacare that Bachman found.

So he agreed to stop using tricks on passing bills? Bachmann's bill is also almost ready and has 67 co-sponsors, so that vote might be taken sooner rather than later. If they could flip a few senators, they might actually be able to pass that one.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (uVLrI)

232 the bummer is acting like it was his idea damn !

Posted by: Jackhole at April 08, 2011 11:09 PM (EcI3F)

233 This is so stupid. It's like a fool who thinks he can save money by throwing the change from his daily frappacino into a jar.

Quit buying the GD frappacinos.

UGH.

Posted by: ace tomato at April 08, 2011 11:09 PM (23p1u)

234 How many times can that robot say I?

Posted by: SJR2 at April 08, 2011 11:09 PM (oCbCP)

235 It's a win for us, I don't care what you say. This is the first time in decades we have actually cut spending and we will cut more.
We didn't get everything we wanted but it's a good fucking start considering the fact that if the dems would have passed their bill last year we wouldn't have even got this.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:09 PM (MtwBb)

236 deWon is a feckless, low-life, pos asswipe. Joseph on a cracker, he is harshing my alcohol mellow.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:10 PM (AkdC5)

237 >>You really think a man afraid -not just afraid, terrified- of a shutdown is going to seriously tackle entitlements?

If you've been listening to any of the political analysts the last few days they almost unanimously said that Boehner didn't want to shut it down over this because it would have cost him too much political capital, capital he will need to potentially shut it down for the far bigger fight over the '12 budget or the debt ceiling negotiation.

This isn't a one and done. They are going to be negotiating all year long. This is a marathon not a sprint.

Boehner may not be your cup of tea but he is shrewd enough to make it to the Speaker's office and I guarantee he knows how badly we are fucked if we don't get our house in order. He's been talking about it for years. Let it play out for a few more weeks and see how things progress.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 11:11 PM (TMB3S)

238 Obama never heard from 8th graders. Lying fuck.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (iVwvq)
Obama acts like an 8th grader. Does that count?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:11 PM (G/MYk)

239

jaketapper
Jake Tapper












Part of deal: pledges for Senate votes on rescinding health care law, cutting funding for Planned Parenthood 3 minutes ago

Posted by: ace tomato at April 08, 2011 11:12 PM (23p1u)

240 So he agreed to stop using tricks on passing bills?
Just on planned parenthood and obamacare, it will be business as usual on everything else.
He will be forced to take up the 2012 budget though.

Posted by: robtr at April 08, 2011 11:12 PM (MtwBb)

241 If they could flip a few senators, they might actually be able to pass that one.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:08 PM (uVLrI)
And then deWon vetoes it.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:12 PM (AkdC5)

242 225
--We didn't have a budget level
because there was no budget!


We had a budget last year (fiscal 2010). This is the
2011 budget the GOP was just smothered to death with.

You're measuring in terms of calendar years. The Dems did not pass a budget last fiscal year, only a CR to fund the government through March. Ryan's budget is for 2012 and it might get passed next week, but if it actually got passed it would not be enacted until October 1st.


Obama's only a Precedent, so I don't know why anyone
would look at any insane thing he does. He is not a serious person.
Everyone knows this.
So upon what baseline should budget have measured the 2012 budget then?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:12 PM (uVLrI)

243 Mr. President...this is historic what we have done.......

are these asswipes actually trying to take credit for this? FU Reid!

Posted by: SJR2 at April 08, 2011 11:13 PM (oCbCP)

244 241And then deWon vetoes it.

If he does that and people have a good memory, his presidency will be finished. I don't know how he wins after that.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:13 PM (uVLrI)

245 Hasthe mothereffer shut up, yet?

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:13 PM (AkdC5)

246 Reid looks and sounds like he just got owned.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:14 PM (uVLrI)

247 Jesus Christ in a pogo stick. This was all pre-ordained.

Posted by: sybilll at April 08, 2011 11:14 PM (9Htrx)

248 damn reid is a piece of human waste, he is like a skinny older michael moore

Posted by: Jackhole at April 08, 2011 11:14 PM (EcI3F)

249 If you've been listening to any of the political
analysts the last few days they almost unanimously said that Boehner
didn't want to shut it down over this because it would have cost him too
much political capital, capital he will need to potentially shut it
down for the far bigger fight over the '12 budget or the debt ceiling
negotiation.


Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 11:11 PM (TMB3S)
That's BS. The Weeping Boner is scared of his shadow. He wouldn't go to the wall for anything. He's totally untrustworthy and needs to be removed from leadership before he does any more damage. I would NEVER trust Boehner to handle anything as important as the debt ceiling or a real budget.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:14 PM (G/MYk)

250 Bless you all that can watch those two. I'd rather have bamboo shoved up my fingernails.

Posted by: Tami at April 08, 2011 11:15 PM (VuLos)

251 McConnell thanking "his friend" Harry Reid.

Is there any politician inside the Beltway that is not a two-faced tool?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 08, 2011 11:15 PM (iVwvq)

252 It's a win for us, I don't care what you say. This is the first time in
decades we have actually cut spending and we will cut more.

Oh yes, next year I'm sure $60 billion will be cut, and Boehner will tout it as a massive victory, 'doubling' the amount cut. Unless Barry really pushes back. Then the number will be lower.

Meanwhile, the trillions rack up, and in a decade when we have a calamity, Democrats will say we 'tried' cutting spending and it didn't work.

It's a fucking joke.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 11:15 PM (uhAkr)

253 If he does that and people have a good memory, his presidency will be finished. I don't know how he wins after that.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:13 PM (uVLrI)
He won't care, and he won't see it that way, anyway. There's no way he'll ever sign anything that mucks with his precious Obamacre.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:15 PM (AkdC5)

254 If we're engaging in massive cuts, the Democrats at least have an argument--a stupid argument, a wrong argument, but an argument.

If the Dems were actually going to rebuff more any than $39 billion, they had a much weaker argument and we were in a much better position.

Why avoid that fight?

Why only fight Democrats over another dispute where they hold much better ground?

Posted by: AD at April 08, 2011 11:16 PM (EXLhY)

255 243
Mr. President...this is historic what we have done.......are
these asswipes actually trying to take credit for this? FU Reid!
His spin-fu is weak. He just gave Boehner more than he ever planned and holding up-or-down votes is absolute poison to him. Reid runs his Senate like the dictator he is and I'm sure he's choking on it right now.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:16 PM (uVLrI)

256 I agree. Only their politicians seem perfectly willing to fall on their swords for their principles beliefs. Ours don't. Also, when ours talk like the future of the Republic depends on it, shouldn't they also act like it?
Posted by: San Fran Nan at April 08, 2011 11:00 PM (McG46)
San Fran Nan,
I've worked for a while in Republican PR. I've always said, it's much, much easier to be a liberal. When do they ever "fall on their swords?" They don't ever say No to spending Other People's Money. And they rarely suffer politically. Every moron here could be re-elected for years doing that.
To enter this arena, conservatives better understand: It is almost natural for government to grow. It's slow, methodical, and human nature. "Here's a problem, here'sa solution".It takes manmade resistence to stop it, let along push it in the other direction.
Our side willact likethe future of the Republic depends on itwhen we frame the argument to make it natural to choose the conservative side.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:18 PM (tNWxq)

257 He just gave Boehner more than he ever planned and holding up-or-down votes is absolute poison to him. Reid runs his Senate like the dictator he is and I'm sure he's choking on it right now.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:16 PM (uVLrI)
I hope it's in writing, because I don't trust Reid as far as I could drag his ass down the road.

Posted by: Steph at April 08, 2011 11:18 PM (AkdC5)

258 So upon what baseline should budget have measured the 2012 budget then?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:12 PM (uVLrI)
This is the 2011 budget, Miss80s - FISCAL 2011. I'm not confusing years. It should be based on the FISCAL 2010 levels of spending, obviously.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:18 PM (G/MYk)

259 OK, CJ et al. I know where you're coming from. I am usually coming from there myself, honestly.

But every once in a while, I remember that we've been, not just losing, but getting our asses handed to us for about 100 or so years now. And then I remember that government wants to get bigger, naturally. So our politicians, on average, have to be not just as good as the Democrats, but better, just to hold our ground. Just to stay even.

And then I think: if nothing else, our interest on the debt alone will kill us, if we don't at least balance the budget, very soon. A decade at the very most, depending on how profiligate the spending is. And I don't see it happening. (I wonder how many people here think the budget will be merely balanced in 10 years.)

And then I come whine and bitch at AoSHQ. It doesn't happen often, but it's happening more lately.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 11:19 PM (McG46)

260 Ships turn slowly. When's the last time spending went down year-on-year? After WWII? After WW*I*?

Right direction, wrong velocity. Better than the alternative. Onward.

Posted by: Knemon at April 08, 2011 11:24 PM (nsxc+)

261 From Tapper:

rider banning govt funds to pay for abortions in DC, which POTUS has signed before, IS IN this deal

Posted by: Tami at April 08, 2011 11:24 PM (VuLos)

262 Lawrence O Donnell is PISSED. "Obama is the Keynesian President, spend, spend, spend, and he brags about the largest budget cut in history?"

Posted by: sybilll at April 08, 2011 11:24 PM (9Htrx)

263 252 Oh
yes, next year I'm sure $60 billion will be cut, and Boehner will tout
it as a massive victory, 'doubling' the amount cut. Unless Barry really
pushes back. Then the number will be lower.

Obama agree to over $1T/10yrs in spending cuts in his 2012 budget. He owns that.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:24 PM (uVLrI)

264 The promise of up or down votes is stupid. Kinda like that Dem prolife dipshit who voted for Obamacare because Obama said he would sign a letter saying it couldn't be used for abortion.

I'll repeat my previous stance the Federal government is a mass of filth that needs to be flushed down the toilet.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 08, 2011 11:25 PM (lrf0Y)

265 I've had enough of the GOP. Truly.

Sorry, but I have.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:25 PM (G/MYk)

266 258 This is the 2011 budget, Miss80s - FISCAL 2011. I'm not
confusing years. It should be based on the FISCAL 2010 levels of
spending, obviously.

The fight they just settled was over the FISCAL 2011 BUDGET. Ryan's budget is for 2012. Look at FISCAL YEAR listed on The Path to Prosperity.

http://budget.house.gov/fy2012budget/

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:28 PM (uVLrI)

267 And then I remember that government wants to get bigger, naturally. So our politicians, on average, have to be not just as good as the Democrats, but better, just to hold our ground. Just to stay even....And then I come whine and bitch at AoSHQ. It doesn't happen often, but it's happening more lately.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 08, 2011 11:19 PM (McG46)
I do it too, FUBAR. Yes, we are like William F. Buckley said of conservatism: Standing athwart history and saying: NO. Or something close. It will never be as emotionally appealing as promising the next Great Society, or Health Care Reform, or Medicare, or Social Security, or Medicaid, or College Loans, or Home Loans, or...all the rest. That's liberalism.
That's why we can't afford to treat an annual budget debate as more important than it is. Ifeveryoneiseven debating the size of the cuts....if that is the debate next year, and the next...we're turning the tide. I guess I should now stop my own whining and bitching.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:31 PM (tNWxq)

268 251 McConnell thanking "his friend" Harry Reid.
Screwthe $39 billion, this is the shit that drives me fucking insane.

Posted by: StrangernFiction at April 08, 2011 11:31 PM (dKCBV)

269 A fiscal year starts on October 1st and ends on September 30th. We are in the midst of the 2011 BUDGET.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:32 PM (uVLrI)

270 The House passes something token to us, painful to the Dems, and establishes the new normal: "Cuts only, No taxes". This is where we are now.
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 08, 2011 10:49 PM (dT+/n)
Haha. Sucker. The new 'normal' includes the stimulus BAKED INTO the budget. We didn't get jackshit. The Dhimmis got apermanent spending increase for what was supposed to be a one time expense (the stimulus). Now that stimulus is part of the baseline budget for FY11, it will be part of it forever going forward.
How is Boehner going to do Zero Baseline Budgetting when the law says he can't. He can't change the law because, as noted frequently, we don't have the senate or the house. Even if we had three,we would need a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, because the Repubicans would never change the rules and nuke the filibuster.
In summary FY'12 is going to be calculated from a baseline of 3.4T, or whatever it is, sothey willhave to CUT from that. They wouldn't even cut 100Billion when they held all the cards.
There is no spending 'cut'. Obama got his budget, -39Billion, which is still hundreds of billions more than past budgets.

Posted by: blindside at April 08, 2011 11:34 PM (X1Y8q)

271 Primaries for Cryin John and Erik the Meek. And if they dodge that bullet, third party their weak asses.

Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:35 PM (BZEkR)

272 You guys are fooling yourselves if you think this changes the debate to how big cuts shall be.

The Dems have completely telegraphed their position for the next year. SS is in good shape, freeze spending to keep recovery, invest in infrastructure, etc.

The Dems will go to the mat for this with possible exception of token cuts now and "hard" spending caps five years down the road. The Repubs will fold like a house of cards, mainly because half of them is Demlite.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 08, 2011 11:35 PM (lrf0Y)

273 Boehner's a nice guy, but he's not up to dealing with these psychopaths that make up the current Democrat leadership. And someone should tell tell the Repubics that it's not necessary to polish Obama's knob before making even the mildest of criticism- just follow Trump's lead and pound away.

This is no country for gentlemen.

Posted by: sartana at April 08, 2011 11:37 PM (7Xm5b)

274
It's a win for us, I don't care what you say.

Sen. Pyrrhus (R. Epirus)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 08, 2011 11:38 PM (UB58p)

275 Ok, I'm feeling better about this. There appear to be some good nuggets in the deal (senate vote on PP defunding and Obamacare), and it's $39B from the baseline not the fakey 2011 budget proposal.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:39 PM (veZ9n)

276 Sigh. Trying to have glass half full, but it is hard. However, on the plus side, here we go: 1) Obama showed the nation that he cares nothing for the military or the budget and the economy or the American people,The Won onlycares for vacations...Williamsburg tomorrow for historic photo ops?; 2) Harry the Cross-Eyed Opossum showed the nation he cares mainly for Cherry Blossoms; 3) Nancy Pelosi the Botoxed, while caring for the dead starvingseniors, was in Boston; 4) Boehner, who is a good man, no matter what others say, I guess did the best he could considering the military was going to be left high and dry in a shutdownand it blamed on the GOP; and, finally 5) Paul Ryan, who will continue to fight the budget, comes out on top.
The Democrats showed their true color: greed and fake sympathy for the downtrodden expecting payoutsand the unborn (actually, no, they support infanticide for the unborn and Planned Parenthood controls their puppets).
I am tired of this game, and I do think this is a game of special interests for votes (which is why Trump is sort of appealing, to change the game). Perhaps it is not checkmate, but maybe we are chipping at their queen (Barky), with the knights being the Freshmen GOP, the pawns being the lobbies moving freely all over the board. You get my drift (and I don't play this game, so probably screwed up the analogy). The good guys will win in 11/12. They have to.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 08, 2011 11:40 PM (FnRYN)

277 275
Ok, I'm feeling better about this. There appear to be some good nuggets
in the deal (senate vote on PP defunding and Obamacare), and it's $39B
from the baseline not the fakey 2011 budget proposal.

That exceeds my expectations, if I'm honest.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:41 PM (uVLrI)

278 274
It's a win for us, I don't care what you say.

Sen. Pyrrhus (R. Epirus)


Come on, at least I admitted I acted foolishly.

Posted by: Pyrrhus at April 08, 2011 11:41 PM (EXLhY)

279 The fight they just settled was over the FISCAL 2011 BUDGET. Ryan's budget is for 2012. Look at FISCAL YEAR listed on The Path to Prosperity. http://budget.house.gov/fy2012budget/

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:28 PM (uVLrI)
And the whole argument over the "cut" of $100 billion $60 billion $40 billion $12.42 .... whatever, are not about Ryan's budget. That was talk about this CR that we are all ticked about.Perhaps I jumped into the middle of a conversation and mistook what you folks were talking about, but that was what I was talking about - the deal of death today.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:42 PM (G/MYk)

280 275 Ok, I'm feeling better about this. There appear to be some good nuggets in the deal (senate vote on PP defunding and Obamacare), and it's $39B from the baseline not the fakey 2011 budget proposal.
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:39 PM (veZ9n)
So what is the baseline? Is it the 2010 budgetminus the 'Stimulus'?

Posted by: blindside at April 08, 2011 11:42 PM (X1Y8q)

281 House members are headed to the floor right now.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:42 PM (uVLrI)

282 Boehner may not be your cup of tea but he is shrewd enough to make it to the Speaker's office

So was Nazi Pelosi's and Denny Hastert, genius. Weak shit.

Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:42 PM (BZEkR)

283 279 And the whole argument over the "cut" of $100 billion $60 billion $40 billion $12.42 ....
whatever, are not about Ryan's budget. That was talk about this CR that
we are all ticked about.Perhaps I jumped into the
middle of a conversation and mistook what you folks were talking about,
but that was what I was talking about - the deal of death today.

I agree with you. Why are we arguing?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:43 PM (uVLrI)

284 279 And the whole argument over the "cut" of $100 billion $60 billion $40 billion $12.42 ....
whatever, are not about Ryan's budget. That was talk about this CR that
we are all ticked about.Perhaps I jumped into the
middle of a conversation and mistook what you folks were talking about,
but that was what I was talking about - the deal of death today.

I agree with you except for "deal of death". Seems like we were talking past each other.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:44 PM (uVLrI)

285 Face it. It was a loss to even start at $100 billion. Rational spending started off losing before the game began.

That's how boned we are. The spending was jacked up to ridiculous heights under Obama, Democrats avoided a budget, and the GOP in its wisdom decided to box itself in by conceding any GD thing? Are you kidding me?

Optimism about all these promised "future" cuts is fun and all, but it's wholly inadequate. The Democrats will not yield enough to matter and Obama will veto bills yanking Obamacare. So, we'll have at least a year and a half of this kabuki theater where little actual cutting occurs. Meanwhile, government and all obligations will balloon - perhaps at a slowed rate but still expanding en toto.

We are still not a serious nation when it comes to spending and the scope of government. This past month's spectacle has been a cruel, mock-worthy joke.

I look forward to the morning DOOM because gallows humor is about all that's left.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 08, 2011 11:44 PM (swuwV)

286 >>That exceeds my expectations, if I'm honest.

Liberals are apoplectic, MSNBC is a sob fest, not just about this vote but how it sets them up for future votes. There are 23 Dem senators up for reelection next year and they are going to continue to vote for cuts.

I'm telling ya, this is just the beginning. The debt ceiling and the '12 budget are coming up in the next few weeks and things are trending our way.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 11:46 PM (TMB3S)

287 285 If we can never win, then why bother fighting?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:46 PM (uVLrI)

288 How about some cheerleading? Speaker of the House West, Majority Leader Rubio. I'm feeling optimistic.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (zQTMd)

289 I agree with you except for "deal of death".

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:44 PM (uVLrI)
This deal (and the way they are operating) will kill the GOP just as the amnesty drives did.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (G/MYk)

290 CJ sez
I've worked for a while in Republican PR.

And youre working overtime tonight brotha...
And failing, like your boss.

Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (BZEkR)

291 >>So was Nazi Pelosi's and Denny Hastert, genius. Weak shit.

Yea, because Pelosi didn't get anything she wanted.

Dolt.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (TMB3S)

292 286
Liberals are apoplectic, MSNBC is a sob fest, not just about this vote
but how it sets them up for future votes. There are 23 Dem senators up
for reelection next year and they are going to continue to vote for
cuts.



I'm telling ya, this is just the beginning. The debt ceiling and the
'12 budget are coming up in the next few weeks and things are trending
our way.



I saw the immediate reactions from NRO's Tweet Tracker and they were howling over Reid's concessions. "No! He can't do that! Why isn't Schumer in-charge? Waaaah!"

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:48 PM (uVLrI)

293 jaketapper Jake Tapper Part of deal: pledges for Senate votes on rescinding health care law, cutting funding for Planned Parenthood




Which we will then lose 60/40 as the Dems and usual Republican suspects vote agin' them.

Best deal ever.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 08, 2011 11:49 PM (UB58p)

294 JackStraw, I've come around to your way of looking at this.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:49 PM (veZ9n)

295 Face it. It was a loss to even start at $100 billion. Rational spending started off losing before the game began.Right. Because even though we couldn't cut one penny of spending under a totally controlled GOP government through most of 2000-2008, a $100 billion cut was a totally irrational starting point.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:51 PM (tNWxq)

296 Part of deal is up or down vote on Planned Parenthood and Obamacare repeal?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 08, 2011 11:51 PM (FnRYN)

297 >> Which we will then lose 60/40 as the Dems and usual Republican suspects vote agin' them.

All about being on-record for 2012. Reid wouldn't bring it to the floor all year, so - WIN!

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:52 PM (veZ9n)

298
280So what is the baseline? Is it the 2010 budgetminus the 'Stimulus'? blindside
Can someone answer this? Please. I need a nugget of happy. I am so upset I am going to give my daughter's dog a bath (which I hate). I know, at least it is not my ex-husband.

Posted by: sybilll at April 08, 2011 11:52 PM (9Htrx)

299 289
This deal (and the way they are operating) will kill the
GOP just as the amnesty drives did.
The budgeteers fighting for entitlement reform are likely going to kill them first, because people don't want to hear what Ryan co. are saying. Nevermind that he says his own budget is "modest"-- which it was required to be due to "the will of the conference"-- a number of people just don't want to reform entitlements. But that doesn't mean that those who will fight should quit. Some of them are going to lose their seats, but it will have been well worth it.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:53 PM (uVLrI)

300 Just read comment above Miss 80's Baby about the sobfest on MSNBC. I am feeling better and going to be on that note!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 08, 2011 11:53 PM (FnRYN)

301 While I'd say that anything that brings liberals on MSNBC to the point of offing themselves is a good thing, this doesn't feel like that.
I know one thing - the GOP has backed itself into a corner. Many of us were expecting just this, but hoping that they had really 'found Jesus'. It doesn't appear that way. Which means the only chance they have left is to deliver in the '12 budget in a big way. I'm looking for drastic cuts, eliminations and reductions of agencies and a balanced or near balanced budget.
If they give us more of this shit sandwich, then we'll be be energized in 2012 - to primary them, and then stay home of vote for their opponents if they win the primary.
The GOP just bet it's future on one budget and a debt-ceiling vote. You don't think the Democrats don't know that?

Posted by: blindside at April 08, 2011 11:54 PM (X1Y8q)

302 >> a totally controlled GOP government through most of 2000-2008

Once again, we only had it half the time and never had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.

This is a Dem talking point, and like most it isn't true.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:54 PM (veZ9n)

303 So Paul Ryan's 2012 budget is now getting shredded by CNN because they have no back-up material for 2011 finally being settled. Typical.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 08, 2011 11:54 PM (uVLrI)

304 CJ sez I've worked for a while in Republican PR. And youre working overtime tonight brotha... And failing, like your boss.
Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (BZEkR)
That's cute, Sister. But I'm state level, not those guys.
I only brought that up to offer a perspective from the front lines of the GOP-Dem debate. I don't waste time here defending the GOP as my job..I got my job becauseI really believe this fiscal conservative shit.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:54 PM (tNWxq)

305 >> 280So what is the baseline? Is it the 2010 budget minus the 'Stimulus'?  blindside

It's the 2010 budget that includes some of the spendulus.

Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:55 PM (veZ9n)

306 The only thing Bohner can spin is that they can try to cut more past the CR. But that is some pretty lame shit.
The republicans, with their snouts in the trough got owned on this one, big time. They agreed to crumbs off a massively expanded baseline and agreed to up or down votes from on riders from the group of faggot pansies that is the US Senate.
Bohner and Kantor need to go.
Now.
I think its remarkable that these fuckheads that heralded the shellacking in 2008 are still in leadership positions in the GOP. They are 2 years overdue.
Buy Rupees, bitchez.

Posted by: Old Texas Turkey at April 08, 2011 11:56 PM (85SrI)

307 Now that they've got the budget out of the way, we bend over and they rape us with the Barbed Cock of Amnesty.

Posted by: sartana at April 08, 2011 11:58 PM (7Xm5b)

308 Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 08, 2011 11:47 PM (BZEkR)
Forgot to add that I love your site and grin every time I read the name. For everyone who remembers Bill Clinton's daring, bold, courageous stand against black rappers advocating the murder of white Americans, it's great.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:58 PM (tNWxq)

309 It's the 2010 budget that includes some of the spendulus.
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:55 PM (veZ9n)
Then that's a loss because t hat part of the spendulus is now baked into the budget, and, as I understand it, new budgets are based off the previous one + some percentage.The Democrats have gotten a permanent budget increase by agreeing to this deal.

Posted by: blindside at April 08, 2011 11:59 PM (X1Y8q)

310 Miss'80sBaby: "If we can never win, then why bother fighting?"

I'm all for fighting. I'm convinced that those leading are not. Not really. Sure, there's the spectacle of it all as "dear friends" across the aisle bicker and then campaign on the bickering, but it's an illusion because our government only grows. Always.

I'd love a fight. We could win a fight. I'm not seeing it. As a nation, we've brought it on ourselves. Is there a glimmer of hope with the Tea Party insurgency? Sure. And I fear too little, too late. The Borg had many generations worth of a head start.

Sorry. That's just the way I see it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 09, 2011 12:00 AM (swuwV)

311 >> Forgot to add that I love your site

Except this commenter spells it differently and the link doesn't work.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:01 AM (veZ9n)

312 >>The GOP just bet it's future on one budget and a debt-ceiling vote. You don't think the Democrats don't know that?

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Why are the liberals on MSNBC upset? Because it's the Dems who have just backed themselves into a corner.

Trajectory and tone are huge in politics. The Republicans now have the entire Dem leadership on the record not only admitting (by this vote) that they need to cut spending but if you heard Reid and Obama speak after the announcement, admit that they have to cut more. That is a sea change.

It's like the old joke where a guy asks a woman if she will sleep with him. She says no. He says how about for a million dollars and she says ok. He then asks her how about for $50 and she says what do you think I am? He replies, we've already established that now we are just haggling over price.

We've already established the rules of the game and from here on in all we will be arguing about is the amount. We own the House and there are enough skittish Dems up for reelection in the Senate they are going to have to agree to cuts or face extinction, and they know it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2011 12:02 AM (TMB3S)

313 >> Then that's a loss because t hat part of the spendulus is now baked into the budge

But it always was. That issue's being addressed (inadequately as Geoff demonstrated) in the 2012 budget.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:03 AM (veZ9n)

314 Wait a second-- the press release says that Reid must allow a vote on repeal of O-Care itself and it also has several other provisions.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/264303/no-shutdown-nro-staff#more

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:03 AM (uVLrI)

315 Text of President Obama's Remark
Friday, April 8, 2011 | 11:43 p.m.

Good evening.

Behind me, through the window, you can see the Washington Monument. The people who travel here come to learn about our history. And to be inspired by the example of our democracy. A place where citizens of different backgrounds and beliefs can still come together as one nation.

Tomorrow, I'm pleased to announce that the Washington Monument, as well as the entire federal government, will be open for business.

<snip>

Today we acted on behalf of our children’s future. And next week, when 50 eighth graders from Colorado arrive in our nation’s capital, I hope they get a chance to look up at the Washington Monument and feel the sense of pride and possibility that defines America—a land of many that has always found a way to move forward as one.


Executive Summary: I Won. Again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2011 12:04 AM (UB58p)

316 Right. Because even though we couldn't cut one penny
of spending under a totally controlled GOP government through most of
2000-2008, a $100 billion cut was a totally irrational starting point.

Posted by: CJ at April 08, 2011 11:51 PM (tNWxq)

The 2008 budget was $2.9 trillion. The 2010 budget was $3.55 trillion. When we're back at the 2008 level, and only cutting $100 billion, I'll agree with you.

Meanwhile, the more years that pass from surge in spending that happened after 2008, the more that becomes the baseline rather than a freak occurrence.

Posted by: AD at April 09, 2011 12:04 AM (EXLhY)

317 Once again, we only had it half the time and never had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate. This is a Dem talking point, and like most it isn't true.
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 11:54 PM (veZ9n)
So, it is totally outrageous that a GOP without a Senate majority, let alone filibuster proor, or a GOP White House, can't cut more spending than the GOP with profoundly more advantages? That's a Dem talking point? OK.

Posted by: CJ at April 09, 2011 12:04 AM (tNWxq)

318 "Behind me, through the window, you can see the Washington Monument."

It's flipping you off, Barry.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at April 09, 2011 12:05 AM (zQTMd)

319 I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Why are the liberals on MSNBC upset?

Because they're retarded. Liberals are almost always upset, but they are never shrewd analysts of anything.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:07 AM (G/MYk)

320 Meanwhile, the more years that pass from surge in spending that happened after 2008, the more that becomes the baseline rather than a freak occurrence.
Posted by: AD at April 09, 2011 12:04 AM (EXLhY)
I get the math. But Obama is not advocating anything that Democrats haven't been advocating for 40 freaking years. This surge wasthe result of decades of not fighting this fight. Don't pretend we can get it all back in one or two budget cycles. That's web-based outrage, not reality-based strategy.

Posted by: CJ at April 09, 2011 12:09 AM (tNWxq)

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322 >>Because they're retarded. Liberals are almost always upset, but they are never shrewd analysts of anything.

Yea because all the programs that we are trying to get under control, from SS to Medicare to Obamacare and beyond were instituted by conservative Republicans.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2011 12:10 AM (TMB3S)

323 well, after seeing how the republicans totally caved. For what? To not shut down a government with completely out of control spending? I and a few of my other independent friends concluded tonight that our voices aren't being heard at all. Since shoo mer has a lock on his seat and BO will have 4 more years, we made a pact not to vote at all until we think that our vote might matter. More and more of our friends are doing this.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 12:10 AM (k1rwm)

324 Boehner has his key points up. They include
SETS STAGE FOR TRILLIONS MORE IN SPENDING CUTS.
Clears the way for congressional action on House Budget Committee
Chairman Paul Ryan’s budget – The Path to Prosperity – which cuts
trillions in spending and offers a long-term blueprint for American job creation


Posted by: ace tomato at April 09, 2011 12:10 AM (23p1u)

325 CJ: "Right. Because even though we couldn't cut one penny
of spending under a totally controlled GOP government through most of
2000-2008, a $100 billion cut was a totally irrational starting point."

And that proves my point. The GOP is not serious enough. The Democrats are not serious enough. (And yes, the Democrats are an order of magnitude less serious than the GOP.) That the GOP is trying to capitalize on spending now with expedited collapse on the horizon and a Progressive in the White House is wholly expected. They'd have to be more incompetent than usual to avoid exploiting the economy and spending.

The point is that they start at a relatively insignificant level and work their way down to a truly insignificant level. Brilliant. Technically, a one cent savings would be a savings. It's almost as relevant as the deal they've been milking for months.

And somehow I'm to be comforted that this win will be parlayed into Ryan's plan which provides just another starting point. I do not share your faith.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 09, 2011 12:12 AM (swuwV)

326
NRO: Terms of the agreement
outside spending cuts

It requires more than just an up-or-down vote on ObamaCare, Planned
Parenthood, and banning abortion in D.C. I like the number of times I'm
seeing the word "audit", for one thing...

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:12 AM (uVLrI)

327 Bachmann voting NO.
THAT MAKES 1 Republican I could perhaps support.
But only 1

Posted by: Sister Toldja at April 09, 2011 12:13 AM (BZEkR)

328 Yea because all the programs that we are trying to
get under control, from SS to Medicare to Obamacare and beyond were
instituted by conservative Republicans.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2011 12:10 AM (TMB3S)
You lost me. The dems got their programs through by breaking any rule they didn't like. They are as crude as humans can be. Like the 500 pounders who used to win the heavyweight wrestling championships by falling on their opponents.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:13 AM (G/MYk)

329 Some House Republicans will grouse about caving and abandoning core principles and will defy Boehner and vote against his deal. House GOP sources fear as many as 40 defections, but will work strenuously to keep the number below 30. But some Democratic votes will be required to get Boehner’s biggest legislative achievement as speaker across the finish line -- a bittersweet reality that speaks to the Ohio Republican’s core pragmatism. Boehner will find 218 votes where he can get them, preferring to collect them from his party but willing to take them from Democrats in pursuit of what he perceives is the greater good.



The Republican Party*

*May include up to 20% Democrats by volume. Please use responsibly.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2011 12:14 AM (UB58p)

330 " we made a pact not to vote at all until we think that our vote might matter"

Take the deal and crawfish. Vote and don't tell your friends. Better yet, run for local office as either an independent or a registered Dem. If Dems can sneak into the Repub party, why can't we do the reverse?

Posted by: not the droid you seek at April 09, 2011 12:14 AM (zQTMd)

331 Boehner has his key points up.

I'd rather see his resignation as Speaker.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:15 AM (G/MYk)

332 WTF, budget time is not the time to talk about social issues? It is if those "social" issues aren't social issues at all, but simply a reckless, out of control behemoth of insolvent government aiming a firehose of dollars at pet projects.

God, I can't listen to this asshole talk for ten seconds before he's lying or spinning unfathomably stupid bullshit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 09, 2011 12:15 AM (tZ/vc)

333 "As bad as this is, it doesn't mean it's over"

Horseshit. Politicians are all the same.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 09, 2011 12:15 AM (RGLK8)

334 >> So, it is totally outrageous that a GOP without a Senate majority, let alone filibuster proor, or a GOP White House, can't cut more spending than the GOP with profoundly more advantages?  That's a Dem talking point? OK.

That's not what I said.

I'm just pointing out, for the millionth time, that the "last 8 years" talking point is a lie and we shouldn't perpetuate it.

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Posted by: cheap windows 7 key at April 09, 2011 12:15 AM (LLZsR)

336 I totally understand everyone's rage about this "deal" and I share some of it. But you did not realistically think theGOP would single handedly turn the entire direction federal policy immediately after winning The House, did you? That's just fantasyland.
It's a little, teeny, tiny beginning. It's up to us to stay on the GOP and demand they continue. They have a year and a half left. They'd better show results.

Posted by: Log Cabin at April 09, 2011 12:17 AM (S0Rj0)

337 To clarify, "this asshole", while a fitting label for some giant majority of politicians, was in this instance aimed at the JEF.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 09, 2011 12:17 AM (tZ/vc)

338 >>You lost me. The dems got their programs through by breaking any rule they didn't like. They are as crude as humans can be. Like the 500 pounders who used to win the heavyweight wrestling championships by falling on their opponents.

Call it crude, call it whatever you want but the fact is the reason we are where we are financially in this country is because for decades Dems got elected and got their looney programs passed into law. They now know that the playing field is tilted against them and that they will be playing defense with a bad hand for the foreseeable future.

They may be noxious pricks but they are smart enough to see they are losing and going to lose more.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2011 12:17 AM (TMB3S)

339 There are more vulnerable senate seats next cycle, too. Make the Dems there vote more conservatively, then throw their butts out.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at April 09, 2011 12:18 AM (zQTMd)

340 Ezra Klein: "DC won't be able to spend its own money on abortions. ... Shows you how seriously Republicans take States' rights."

He actually said that! ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:18 AM (G/MYk)

341 Later morons.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2011 12:20 AM (TMB3S)

342 >> God, I can't listen to this asshole talk for ten seconds before he's lying or spinning unfathomably stupid bullshit.

Which asshole is that? It's a target-rich environment.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:20 AM (veZ9n)

343 JackStraw,
the Democrats leadership know that a large number of people were upset at the GOP, and November wasn't just a message to the Democrats. It was a warning to the GOP, too. A lot of people voted for the GOP hoping that they had learned their lesson.
They also know that this vote will have shaken an already limited faith in the GOP. As I indicated, I was hoping they had found Jesus, but wasn't ready to believe it. I don't believe I am atypical amongst people who would identify as conservatives and/or tea partiers.
The Democrats know that if they can concedesome cuts for 2012, but still have an overall ginormous deficit, and budget as well as government, they will have struck a death blow to the GOP. I believe conservatives and tea partiers will largely abandon the GOP, or actively work against it.
This is a make or break move for me.

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 12:21 AM (X1Y8q)

344 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2011 12:14 AM (UB58p)

I already know ten people who are voting against Peter King if he votes yes on this.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 12:22 AM (k1rwm)

345 dailykos is frothing mad. I feel better.

Posted by: ace tomato at April 09, 2011 12:23 AM (23p1u)

346 >> Posted by: Waterhouse at April 09, 2011 12:17 AM (tZ/vc)

Hahaha. You anticipated my comment.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:23 AM (veZ9n)

347 >> Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:18 AM (G/MYk)

Wow. He's an even bigger idiot than I thought, and that took some effort.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:25 AM (veZ9n)

348 I don't like the PP and Obamacare up/down votes in the Senate. Since they will not pass, or even if they do, Zero will veto them, it allows Dhimmis in Purple states (like Manchin, Lincoln, the puke in Missouri, etc), political cover to vote to defund PP and repeal OCare.
Then they can say. in campaign ads,'see how Conservative I am, I voted to defund PP and repeal OCare'.

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 12:25 AM (X1Y8q)

349 And Boehner pulls this weak shit right after that vote in Wisconsin - with the newly found vote counts showing that the biggest drive by the left and labor, after all those crimes and shenanigans, failed. So, Boehner figures this is a good time to go down on his knee and beg the dems to be nice to him. What a shithead.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:25 AM (G/MYk)

350 "I would not have made these cuts under better circumstances," the president says of a deal.

There's a campaign slogan. Not for him.

Posted by: ace tomato at April 09, 2011 12:26 AM (23p1u)

351 Wow. He's an even bigger idiot than I thought, and that took some effort.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:25 AM (veZ9n)
It's a great quote. I fell out of my chair when he said it. Deserving of a post, I think. It was on MSNBC.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:27 AM (G/MYk)

352 336
I totally understand everyone's rage about this "deal" and I share some of it. But you did not realistically think theGOP would single handedly turn the entire direction federal policy immediately after winning The House, did you? That's just fantasyland.
It's a little, teeny, tiny beginning. It's up to us to stay on the GOP and demand they continue. They have a year and a half left. They'd better show results.
That is my point. Now we get stand alone votes on Planned Parenthood AND Obamacare, right before we gear up for elections. Make them OWN it.

Posted by: sybilll at April 09, 2011 12:27 AM (9Htrx)

353 I've never been active in politics and I'm glad I haven't been. It doesn't matter, this week we've seen voter fraud that everyone ignored, last week we saw a tape that probably in my grandma's day would have generated arrests, yet, not a word. Brett beier thinks people are stupid. So does the idiot Chris Stirewalt who i've never seen till tonight. It's a shame that fox has decided to fall in line with the lying spinning media. Oddly enough, the fox panel can't even feign happiness over this and who do they put on the vapid almost blond Kristen who knew she couldn't make it as a liberal pundit so she went to fox. They probably couldn't get another fox woman up there to feign happiness over this, they probably had too much integrity to do it and I don't like any of them but Greta.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 12:28 AM (k1rwm)

354 Don't pretend we can get it all back in one or two budget cycles. That's web-based outrage, not reality-based strategy.

Posted by: CJ at April 09, 2011 12:09 AM (tNWxq)

I'm often the one attacking web-based outrage, but, in elections, web-based outrage is your friend. That outrage is what got people to vote in 2010. Another year of this and those people won't show up again. They won't vote for the other side--they just won't vote. All this talk about independents then becomes academic; you aren't going to reach to the level of support where those independents will matter anyway.

Independents also won't matter because...what argument are you going to make to them? The Democrats are as much a part of this deal as we are. They can claim to be budget cutters now as much as we can.

This is another reason why I have a problem with the arguments here over the Democrats making fools of themselves over the last few weeks and us setting a new direction. Outside of political junkies, nobody was paying attention to this. All they see, if anything, is the final result. The final result (to the public at large) has us not being able to make much of a case that we're budget cutters any more than the Democrats are.

We've also gone from a position where we would have been able to define ourselves as budget-cutters, where the Democrats would have been in a horrible position of refusing more than $39 billion in budget cuts, and traded it for a position where instead they get to claim to be budget cutters, where they have a much stronger argument in the next fight (where serious cuts will be involved), and where, if we do screw it up, all of it will take place in an election year.

I'm all for the fight next year. Though I would have liked more, Ryan's plan sounds good to me...but, to at least some extent, we've tossed the rabbit into the briar patch.

Posted by: AD at April 09, 2011 12:28 AM (EXLhY)

355 >> It's a great quote.  I fell out of my chair when he said it.  Deserving of a post, I think.  It was on MSNBC.

I'll see if I can find it. It's at least worth a sidebar link and some good harassment on Twitter.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:30 AM (veZ9n)

356 230
I was having a hard time putting my finger on John Boehner's negotiating style, but its finally come to me:
"My dad gave me one dollar bill
‘Cause I’m his smartest son,
And I swapped it for two shiny quarters
‘Cause two is more than one!
And then I took the quarters
And traded them to Lou
For three dimes—I guess he don’t know
That three is more than two!"
Then I went to see Jimmy
and traded for an IOU!

Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 09, 2011 12:31 AM (oNphh)

357 I don't like the PP and Obamacare up/down votes in the Senate. Since
they will not pass, or even if they do, Zero will veto them, it allows
Dhimmis in Purple states (like Manchin, Lincoln, the puke in Missouri,
etc), political cover to vote to defund PP and repeal OCare.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe you could title this "The Ben Nelson Redemption Bill."

Posted by: AD at April 09, 2011 12:34 AM (EXLhY)

358 curious: "Brett beier thinks people are stupid."

I agree with Baier. Stupid is probably a bit harsh. I'd say ignorant. But there is significant stupid. And naive. And lazy.

But most people also have lives and politics isn't it. Trying to keep up with everything is practically impossible, so ignorance is the natural state of electoral politics. Heck, legislators actually score more poorly than the general public on American politics and citizenship. What does that tell you?

'Course, I also come from the school where not everyone should get to vote, so I'm clearly a fringe player.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 09, 2011 12:37 AM (swuwV)

359 Regarding the stimulus baked into the baseline, isn't Ryan's budget going back to 2008 levels?

Posted by: the dandy at April 09, 2011 12:37 AM (1h53u)

360
I just heard about the deal to allow the UP-OR-DOWN vote on O'Care.

That is huge. I'm content with the $39b number now. The O'care vote will cause heartburn for a number of Dem Senators. We are very likely to get at least Manchin to vote on Repeal. Get ready to melt the phone lines again.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 09, 2011 12:38 AM (bAySe)

361 The vote count was 348-70, with 140Ds voting aye and 28Rs voting nay. I can
take a guess as to who's on the latter list but I'll wait for the Clerk
to post. That also means that McCarthy will need 10 votes to cover next time.

327
Bachmann voting NO.

THAT MAKES 1 Republican I could perhaps support.

But only 1

Then she's only voting no because ObamaCare is not actually defunded in this bill, even though Reid is forced to take a vote on it. Obama actually made a # of heavy concessions on ObamaCare and he just signed its death warrant.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:40 AM (uVLrI)

362 From Boehner: the deal includes:
a full audit of all the waivers that the Obama
Administration has given to firms and organizations – including unions -
who can't meet the new annual coverage limits;

Posted by: ace tomato at April 09, 2011 12:40 AM (23p1u)

363 And to add to my argument, I was post #333.

That's gotta mean something.


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 09, 2011 12:41 AM (RGLK8)

364 From Boehner: the deal includes:a full audit of all the waivers that the Obama
Administration has given to firms and organizations – including unions -
who can't meet the new annual coverage limits;

Posted by: ace tomato at April 09, 2011 12:40 AM (23p1u)
Congress doesn't have the power to investigate that criminal behavior on its own? Come on.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:42 AM (G/MYk)

365 Serious Cat - why? What good does it do. Obama will veto any bill repealing Obamacare. No one will fault Obama for vetoing a bill that repeals his signature legislation, because it is expected.
That means Manchin can vote with the Republicans and claim he is 'conservative' - he's voting for a bill he knows has no chance of ever becoming law. This translates into making it that much more difficult to take that seat away in 2012.

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 12:43 AM (X1Y8q)

366 359
Regarding the stimulus baked into the baseline, isn't Ryan's budget
going back to 2008 levels?

It's going past that. He wanted to go back to '06-- voted for a HR 1 amendment to do that, too-- but the will of the conference was under '08 but not '06. This is what I mean by it's sometimes a shame that Boehner runs an open House instead of a dictatorship, but oh well.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:44 AM (uVLrI)

367 Serious Cat@360,

Some vulnerable Dems will vote against Obamacare. If a repeal passes, it'll get vetoed by Obama. Granted, I want the vote to take place, but it may well just empower the most vulnerable Democrats in states destined to turn purple to red. IOW, the vote might actually throw some a lifesaver in some perverse way. blindside@348 and AD@354 touched on this.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 09, 2011 12:45 AM (swuwV)

368 This is what I mean by it's sometimes a shame that Boehner runs an open House instead of a dictatorship, but oh well.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:44 AM (uVLrI)
I predict that Boehner's tenure will not last very long. Seriously.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 12:45 AM (G/MYk)

369 365 ...That means Manchin can vote with the Republicans and claim he is
'conservative' - he's voting for a bill he knows has no chance of ever
becoming law. This translates into making it that much more difficult to
take that seat away in 2012.
So why ever allow for a vote on it at all when Reid demands his usual 60 threshold, if we're going to play that way? I for one will be burning their phone lines and I hope everyone else does tool.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:46 AM (uVLrI)

370 368
I predict that Boehner's tenure will not last very
long. Seriously.

Well, he and RSC will eventually be engaging in open-warfare. When Paul Ryan (as a member of RSC) votes for the RSC budget in addition to his own, things will start getting ugly. Jim Jordan better decide if he wants to aim for getting real reform or winning Speaker against Boehner.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:49 AM (uVLrI)

371 blindside,

One, Obama vetoing O'Care would be hugely helpful as it would crystalize in voter's minds exactly what's in the way of ditching this monstrosity. It will hurt his reelection chances. No doubt about it. I actually doubt it will pass and get to his desk, btw.

Two, who cares if it makes getting Manchin out harder? He will be on our side anyways. The goal should not be to have all the right people in office, but rather to have the wrong people in office voting the right way. Changing public attitude about what is and is not acceptable will make the breakdown of R's and D's a moot point.

Three, the longer we can keep the debate in the news on O'Care, the better. As Margaret Thatcher said, “Controversy is good.”

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 09, 2011 12:52 AM (bAySe)

372 any republican who voted yes on this tonight proved that they no longer want to remain in office.

BO picked Boehner, the republicans allowed him to do it. Michelle Bachman would have shut down the government. They knew boehner was weak, they picked correctly. The democrats are brilliant in a dr. evil sort of way. The republicans are passive chumps.

Even the budgeteer seats are at risk now. People wanted to see definitive cuts. They don't care about the minutia, they just wanted to see cuts. Audits? For what, they are the political elite, there will be no audits, that was just to save face for disappointing the American people. People want obamacare repealed, period. Even with the budgeters the republicans showed they are the same folks who allowed themselves to be kept out of the obama care vote. Honestly, there is no way to spin this. The republicans lied about what they were going to do to get elected. That is the bottom line.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 12:53 AM (k1rwm)

373

....Even if the D's vote for Repeal.. how the hell do think that will go over among their primary voters???

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 09, 2011 12:54 AM (bAySe)

374 May regret this, but here goes: Roll
Call 253



Every no vote on the list had all asked for an agreement over a shutdown
and they each have their own reasons for voting against this. The only
pattern you will find is that the conservative Republican Study
Committee split somewhat.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 12:57 AM (uVLrI)

375 >> Michelle Bachman would have shut down the government.

I disagree. Bachmann is playing her role. She's free to cast her NO vote only because the YES isn't needed.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:58 AM (veZ9n)

376 70 patriots, 14 cowards and the rest, don't care to keep their jobs.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 01:00 AM (k1rwm)

377 Serious Cat - how often did having the wrong people in office work out for us under Pelosi's tenure.You saw how Stupak caved to pressure from the leadership, and that isn't an exceptional case. That is the norm. The wrong people in office vote against you more than they vote with you, and they usually do so at CRITICAL times. There is no history of getting the wrong people to vote the 'right way' because then they wouldn't be 'the wrong people'. Sorry that you don't like Party Politics, but that is, unfortunately, how it works right now, and THAT isn't going to change in the next two years.
It's called ObamaCare - how much more crystallized about who's baby it is can it get? People know EXACTLY what stands in the way of repealing it based on it's name alone. Having him veto his bill is good theater and may spark more outrage, but it is too early for that. You feed him that shit sandwich in May or July of 2012.

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 01:00 AM (X1Y8q)

378
..would some of you really have been happier with $61b in cuts?


..even if those cuts would have been mostly from one-time expeditures, and not year to year programs? Cuts that would have actually saved less that the $39b over 10 years? Its alot easier to find cuts to temporary stimulous measures than to long standing programs that are re-upped year after year.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 09, 2011 01:02 AM (bAySe)

379 375
>> Michelle Bachman would have shut down the government.





I disagree. Bachmann is playing her role. She's free to cast her NO vote only because the YES isn't needed.

Posted by: Andy at April 09, 2011 12:58 AM (veZ9n)
bachman has nothing to lose, her seat has been redistricted out. She would have been a better choice for speaker, but "it was boehner's term" and besides "the president liked him so that would be good in negotiation"
ryan's budget is still piss poor. Rand paul's budget is the right one. With this group of cowards, they'll probably vote to spend more.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 01:04 AM (k1rwm)

380 Blindeside,

I really can't argue any better than what's here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac9j15eig_w


...anyways, Stupak RETIRED. He made himself into a kamakazee pol. We went on to get his seat anyways. Not many pols are willing to throw away their political career like that. O'Care would never have passed if the blue dog Dems knew just how poisonous it would be to their reelection chances.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 09, 2011 01:08 AM (bAySe)

381 Basically, the Weeping Boner just did a replay of his idiotic threats to read every ObamaCare bill in full in the House, which he quickly wimped out of ... and finally let that un-American, stupid, piece of shit legislation through.

Boehner must go. He really must.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 09, 2011 01:14 AM (G/MYk)

382 "O'Care would never have passed if the blue dog Dems knew just how poisonous it would be to their reelection chances."

Repeal it and their other horrible puzzle-box legislation. Didn't the death panels (effectiveness of care) come in the previous POS? And didn't the student loan bill include the computerized health records? Anyone running for office needs a list of this shit.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at April 09, 2011 01:15 AM (zQTMd)

383 After obama care and the fact that the republicans allowed themselves to be kept out of the process and the political theater created by Stupak when they knew all along that they were going to put obamacare in no matter what, makes me glad that I realized a long time ago that they are the political elite class and that the reublicans and the democrats are one and the same. The alleged negotiations are just that alleged. The rumor was the deal was reached and this was for the benefit of the tea party people and that was that. Even the dems are starting to abandon the dems. Friends are asking me if I saw Paul Ryan's budget, real libs and I'm saying "you think that's good, look at Rand Paul's budget". I don't think DC is prepared for the anger of the American people, Michelle Bachman gets it, Sarah Palin gets it, the rest of them are professional politicians. The answer to this problem is TERM LIMITS and no lifetime government employees. Two terms as a government employee and out you go. And, the only way they get a raise is if the American people vote them a raise.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 01:15 AM (k1rwm)

384
"Obama hailed the deal as "the biggest annual spending cut in history."


What's that ? Obama is killing children and old people ? The ghoul.
It's not a bug, but rather a feature


With Democrats screaming that they would "never, never, never" allow
the defunding of Planned Parenthood, this Planned Parenthood gambit
should be good for a few billion next time around too.

After they lose a few other programs that they would "never, never,
never" allow (you get the idea), I'm sure they will be ready to let this one go.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 09, 2011 01:18 AM (tvs2p)

385 372
Even the budgeteer seats are at risk now.
People wanted to see definitive cuts. They don't care about the
minutia, they just wanted to see cuts. [...]

They had 6 bills lined-up to defund the slush funds and they're actually getting a fair vote on ObamaCare. I don't know why people keep missing this point, but Reid keeps setting his thresholds at 60. This is one of the 1st times this year that he's been made to hold to up-or-down. Serves the tyrannical bastard right.

Also, appropriators are not budgeteers. Hal Rogers helped ink this deal and he's going to be the one to help divide the money. As for your point about cuts, some lawmakers wanted cuts to be made so they voted for cuts.

How do we know a shutdown would have provided a better alternative? You can't argue a negative at this point, and I believe that the leadership wants the 2012 Budget brought to the floor because they can actually do something with it. They might hang Ryan co. out-to-dry on it, but his committee has the backing of RSC and they're going to fight for it. Ryan especially has been fighting for entitlement reform since he was elected, he's been outside the party thinking on this for several years now, and he's wants to see this happen.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 01:21 AM (uVLrI)

386 Ican't cover the full history, but it is well-documented. The wrong person is going to voteagainst you nearly all of the timeand when it matters most. If they didn't, they would, by definition, be 'the right person.'
I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Friedman, but I think history has proven he was wrong. Ifit were possible to make the wrong people vote the right way, the country wouldn't be teetering near bankruptcy and moving closer to socialism every day.
I want to make it as difficult as possible for Manchin to be reelected. I don't want to see him allowed any cover. If he is re-elected, then we can go to work on trying to convince him to vote 'our way.'

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 01:27 AM (X1Y8q)

387 379
375
ryan's budget
is still piss poor. Rand paul's budget is the right one. With this
group of cowards, they'll probably vote to spend more.

He gave the budget he could because of the will of the conference. What that means is that the leadership essentially repeatedly polled the entire group of House members-- sometimes when they were in one large room-- and they said no to Ryan's Roadmap and to '06 spending levels. Ryan actually voted for '06 levels himself* and I'll also add that his Roadmap only got 13 sponsors last Congress because the others were too chicken to bit. He also admitted his budget is "modest" and he's going to work to correct certain aspects of that.** I would also be surprised if he doesn't vote for the RSC budget because (1) it's more like the Roadmap, (2) he's an RSC member, and (3) he wrote RSC's alternative budget last time.

I'll end with this-- these are all facts which can be seen, read, or heard in Congressional archives and DC circulars.


*See HR 1 amendment
** Mark Levin Show

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 01:27 AM (uVLrI)

388 376
70 patriots, 14 cowards and the rest, don't care to keep their jobs.
No they're not-- they're cowards because they begged for a deal, refused to vote for CRs because of it, then didn't back-up their words with action. Those sniveling hypocrites can go shove their calls to action up their backsides.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 01:30 AM (uVLrI)

389 I have to believe that he wrung out of the leadership the promise that they will see his budget proposal get a vote on the floor.
Then again, we've seen what Boehner's 'promises' are worth.

Posted by: blindside at April 09, 2011 01:34 AM (X1Y8q)

390 With the Vote: 341-68; GOP played it right… This country's Traitors would know the next step; and that is, in my observation; both Constitution the trade of every last resource... Though I cannot tell you that this still will not happen...The vulnerability of our nation requires support for those who are on the fight tosteerus on the right path... But the larger reality is that many of those on the trail are easily bumped off by the rising Manifesto... This should serve as proof thatTHE PEOPLEare the only group that can put a stop to destructive Government... And I clearly do not mean via violence or lawlessness...
Quite the opposite... Yet, it remains our solemn duty...

Posted by: Just a thought at April 09, 2011 01:38 AM (47p7N)

391 Thanks again, Republicans, for reminding me why I no longer call myself a Republican and why I will continue to send your almost-daily fundraising letters back to you in empty business reply envelopes.

You suck. Period.

$39B (you campaigned on $100B - which was still grossly inadequate) and we still get to pay for The Abortion Factory and the EPA. So what, precisely, did we get out of the deal? That we're going to go bankrupt about 4-days later than we would have otherwise?

Color me spectacularly unimpressed.

Posted by: DocJ at April 09, 2011 01:39 AM (6TUiE)

392 39 $39B (you campaigned on $100B - which was still
grossly inadequate) and we still get to pay for The Abortion Factory and
the EPA. So what, precisely, did we get out of the deal? That we're
going to go bankrupt about 4-days later than we would have otherwise?

The provisions are here:
http://tinyurl.com/6jn56y6

That's not including the cuts that still have to be hammered-out through Appropriations.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 01:48 AM (uVLrI)

393 We've done the smart thing here. This was a battle over a few billion over less than six months where we didn't even have an actual budget to attack (because Pelosi, Reid, and Obama couldn't pass one even when they controlled the whole she-bang).

We could NEVER expect the public to support us through more than one shutdown - it is frankly not even within the realm of fantasy to believe that. SO, should we have expended our capital on these small potatoes, or keep the powder dry for the Big One when we pass Ryan's Budget for FY 2012?

That's where we begin to deal with the really big numbers, people, and it always was. That's when it will really come down to a shutdown over the future of the country. Some people are bursting aneurysms over chump change here.

My granddaughters used to insist on instant gratification, too, but then they turned three.

Obama and Reid fully intended to shut down the government this time and try to blame the Republicans because they were smart enough to realize it would set us up the bomb for the fall = "See? All they do is shut down the government!"

What changed their minds? It wasn't the polling, which if anything had finally begun to turn slightly their way. It was Prosser's win in WI. The unions pulled out all the stops in a union state, brought it resources from all over the country, and lost. It was a cold, hard slap in the face, but they got the message.

Now gird your loins for the coming battles, and quit whining you didn't get to eat all your candy on Halloween night.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 09, 2011 02:07 AM (VfmLu)

394 Time to defund Republicans.

DO NOT send ANY money to ANY candidate or the GOP.

Yes, this means that Democrats will win some seats that they otherwise would not. Not many, but perhaps enough to keep the Senate & the Whie House. It doesn't matter.

The simple fact is that no one, not a single person, in government understands what "broke" means. You can't negotiate "broke". "Broke" means that there is no money. You your hungry... starving g to death. If you don't eat something, you'll die. Your choice is to die with dignity or steal enough food to stay alive long enough to justify to yourself stealing some more, then repeat this cycle until you inevitably die from something other than starvation and live for that time as a thief who is still starving.

The problem is that my analogy is q description of where we were generations ago. Today, we're to the point where there is no food left to steal, so we eat filth that we've stolen from others and pretend that it's meat, just as we pretend that tomorrow will change our pathetic existence.

The time has come to for those few of us left to stand on what dignity of our fathers remains within us. To accept reality and not steal anymore, nor to fund those who steal on our behalf then lie to us, saying that they purchased our I'll gotten goods at great cost.

If you donate 1 dime to any of these criminals, you are supporting their lies and theft. It's true that there are some who still know honor, but they work among theives... and there is no honor among thieves.

Better to leave Washington to the theives and liars. Let them have their way and rob even the bricks from the walls that support the ceiling over their heads.

I will not support them any longer. I can provide for myself. I don't need them and never have. What little they do that they claim is in my favor only serves to bind me and prop up their falsehoods.

I can defend what is mine & provide for my needs. They are not needed and will get nothing else from me by my free will as they offer me nothing of value.

Posted by: Damiano at April 09, 2011 02:13 AM (3nrx7)

395 From Boner's press release:

THE LARGEST SPENDING CUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

An entire 1%. Whoopdefuckingdoo.

OFFICIALLY ENDS THE “STIMULUS” SPENDING BINGE.

What, by locking it in at 99% instead of 100%? Good job.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 09, 2011 02:15 AM (tZ/vc)

396 "Boehner also benefited from continuity of
message: he said all along that he didn’t want to shut down the
government, and he didn’t. He said $33 billion in cuts was too little,
despite Obama and Reid saying he had agreed to that number only to
renege, and in the final deal he scored nearly $6 billion more in
reductions than that. Boehner said policy riders would have to be a part
of a final package, and indeed they were."

www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52853_Page2.html

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 09, 2011 02:55 AM (uVLrI)

397 I don't think that you pollyannas who accuse those of us who can see the handwriting on the wall of being petulant children realize that you have been set for yet another disappointment. They promised huge cuts. They promised the REPEAL of obamacare. they got elected and then came out to say that they can't repeal it. They lost a lot of votes right there. tonight they lost a lot more votes. And when they fail with the budget, they will lose the remaining votes. You can talk about analysis and strategy all you want but the American people are sick of it, sick of the game that is being played with their lives and their country. Cause guess what, it's not a game, it's not mental gymnastics....it's the country's survival. People aren't interested in political strategy, people are interested in salvaging what is left of their country. A lot more people feel the way the person who said "not a penny" feels, A lot of people feel that they are going to withhold their votes. this was not the win for the republicans that you think it was. The republicans are going to lose their seats, republicans and independents are going to stay home next election. You won't believe me but I'll come read what you have to say the day after when you are shocked to your shoes. When you get off your conservative blogs and out of your little republican bubble, you might realize that BO and the dems, outfoxed you yet again and will continue to do so for the near term. Not only did they outfox you but they have managed to have you have your "base" and the "independents" so angry with you that the donations will come to a screeching halt and the voters will sit home and watch sit coms on election day. The dems will be laughing as they pile their union members into the polling places.

They followed the script beautifully. They are all friends and we are the fools. A lot of Americans see this, shame you don't.

Posted by: curious at April 09, 2011 03:15 AM (k1rwm)

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Posted by: TexasJew at April 09, 2011 03:46 AM (DB7UQ)

401 I hear some morons talking about Paul Ryan's roadmap, goodluck on that, Sarah Palin endorsed it. We all know that this along with the capitulation of the Republicans on this budget will drive the libs into a ravenous frenzy. They smell blood! This results of this skirmish will only encourage them. So some of you can stop with nonsense about focusing on bigger issues as they will end in the same result, FAILURE!

Posted by: Obama's People at April 09, 2011 03:48 AM (P+Wuq)

402 That's gotta mean something.
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Posted by: gofry at April 09, 2011 04:42 AM (iWRab)

403 DENIES ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE IRS. The Obama administration has
sought increased federal funding for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) –
money that could be used to hire additional agents to enforce the
administration’s agenda on a variety of issues. This increased funding
is denied in the agreement."

See, now this alone makes me smile. Should make for some good campaign ads. GOP defunded Obamacare's IRS goons.

Posted by: Lizbth at April 09, 2011 08:03 AM (JZBti)

404 Boehner won and it is a good deal and the democrats got zip.

I encourage people to read the terms of the agreement and QUIT BITCHING!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 09, 2011 08:06 AM (Fo83G)

405 I agree, Mrs. Marple. I think this is a nice first step on a long road. And to see Barry try to take credit for it is just hilarious! To have him go from a freeze to agreeing to actual cuts shows how frightened he is of losing his job in 2012(and all the vacays, partays and sports gigs). We got him by the short hairs(if he has any). Now we stalk him(politically speaking, of course!).

Posted by: Lizbth at April 09, 2011 08:23 AM (JZBti)

406 Er...Mrs=Miss

Posted by: Lizbth at April 09, 2011 08:24 AM (JZBti)

407 I have this idea about a tactic the GOP should use fo the 2012 budget bills. Instead of going with either the traditional 12 bills by area (like defense, agriculture, etc) OR the alternative of 3 giant Omnibus bills what I think they should do is break the expenditures up into something like 100 small bills that very atomically fund things.
By sending them up ina steady cadance, of say 5 a week they would avoid even letting the Dems know if something was in or out of the budget. Who can say? Sure it wasn't in any of the 31 budget bills we've passed out of the House so far but we estimate there will be another 70 to 80 bills still coming so chill out Donks and MFM enablers. The money for forced SEUI abortion clinics running on clean-green coal is probably going to be in one of those remaining bills.
Only it isn't.

Posted by: Unmatched Sock Puppet at April 09, 2011 08:29 AM (8CpUA)

408 Yeah Miss Marple, that will make a great Repub campaign slogan for 2012, "QUIT BITCHING". Maybe the Dems can use it to. Hell they can combine advertising to save money. "We know that the country is going to hell in a hand basket, but this is the best we can do, so QUIT BITCHING. This message approved by Dems and Repubs."

We now know the level of cuts that Congress has the stomach for: $39 billion.

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Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 09, 2011 11:08 AM (0fzsA)

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No one should expect that returning to faithfulness with our ideals will be easy.

Posted by: Unmatched Sock Puppet at April 09, 2011 12:01 PM (8CpUA)

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If you nominate Mitch Daniels, expect to hear this argument nonstop.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 09, 2011 12:29 PM (mHQ7T)

413 Another case of the Republican Party campaigning for fiscal sanity and then trading it away so that we end up with more spending, less accountability, more government and less freedom.

The Republican Party is the real Public Enemy #1 and it is high time we admit it and move on with the divorce.

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414 @17
@willow
"you know credit cards can be frozen when you go over limits, Why is China still funding us? what;'s in it for them?"

They aren't. At this point its Japan and the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Doc Merlin at April 09, 2011 02:47 PM (TC/9F)

415 Dems = Cash for Clunkers
GOP = Cash for Babies
(Selling innocent lives wasdone a couple of centuries ago for 30 lousy pieces of silver) I hope the lousy $6 billion in chump change was worth itMr. Boehner.

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