Debbie Wasserman-Schultz: This Republican Plan To Reduce Spending On Medicare Is Cruel and Heartless, Unlike Our Own Reduction of Medicare By $500 Billion

There's a key difference here, too: That $500 billion came out of seniors' hides in order to fund a completely different group. That is, no benefit at all to seniors. Except to the extent they can feel good about paying for some stranger's health care.

The program became more unsustainable -- that's what happens when you already have a dramatically-underfunded program and take away $500 billion.

The Ryan plan, while it does include the element of those 55 or younger now having to pay for more of their care when they retire in 10-65 years, also does something for that group: It actually makes it sustainable. That is, it won't suddenly go bankrupt and leave people with no health care.

So the Ryan Plan takes a bit from those 55 or younger (and not current seniors, nor near-retirement folks) but gives them something in return: a system that will actually be in place and functioning as promised when they need it. Plus -- a government that won't collapse, generally. Which is nice.

Obama, on the other hand, took a half a trillion dollars from seniors to give it to other people, the young and poor. Now, I don't have anything against the young or poor (well, the young, honestly), but you can't pretend that seniors got something out of that exchange. It was all pain, no gain.

Remember how Obama used to promise that simply taking money out of the system would "bend the curve"? You know what he meant? That if we take money away on the supply side it would force prices lower because people simply would not have as much money to pay for health care.

So... when Obama did that, that was Good and Right, but if Ryan wants to make sure that no senior suddenly has the plug pulled on him because the system collapsed (as it must -- it is a mathematical certainty), then it's trying to kill old people?

Obama's theft of a half a trillion from them for no tangible benefit -- except they get some death panels out of the deal; that's pretty good I guess -- was good for seniors and Ryan's attempt to fix the structure so it continues to exist is bad for them?

Only in liberal-land. Only in liberal-land.

Here's a video of Rush Limbaugh talking this point up.

Another thing we have to add into our lexicon and repeat endlessly: Obama stole $500 billion from seniors' Medicare jut a year and a half ago.

Posted by: Ace at 04:36 PM



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1 Uhh, umm, let me be clear. When I steal money from seniors, it's for good intentions, like buying Michelle another designer boob belt. No harm, umm, and no foul. When Republicans do it, it's to make seniors eat, ahh, cat food because they're mean and sadistic.

Posted by: President Watch This Drive at April 06, 2011 04:39 PM (p05LM)

2 Do Republicans actually use any mindless talking points?

Posted by: kansas at April 06, 2011 04:39 PM (mka2b)

3 What, because its all goodness and lightto spend your children into ruin?

Posted by: Lily at April 06, 2011 04:39 PM (igSv+)

4 Seriously, they need to develop some talking points and mindlessly repeat them when in front of the media. I swear it's going to work for Democrats again.

Posted by: kansas at April 06, 2011 04:41 PM (mka2b)

5 Barrack Hussien Obammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmma's Cairo speech really works. What a waste of human flesh Obama is !!!!! Reporting from Baghdad, Iraq yesterday, NBC’s Tom Brokaw said theSaudi Arabian monarchyis “so unhappy with the Obama administration for the way it pushed out President Mubarak of Egypt” that it has sent senior officials to the Peoples' Republic of China and Russia to seek expanded business opportunities with those countries. After remarking on the difficulty of establishing democracy in the Middle East, Brokaw said that Defense Secretary Robert Gates “will face some tough questions in this region about the American intentions going on now with all this new turmoil, especially in an area where the United States has such big stakes politically and economically.” “And a lot of those questions presumably will come from King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia,” reported Brokaw on the Nightly News. “I was told on the way in here that the Saudis are so unhappy with the Obama administration for the way it pushed out President Mubarak of Egypt that it sent high level emissaries to China and Russia to tell those two countries that Saudi Arabia now is prepared to do more business with them


Brokaw continued, “Back here in Iraq, the political and the economic situation remains fragile. So fragile that the U.N. secretary general is worried that this country could now see massive protests in the streets once again.” Earlier in his report, Brokaw noted that while U.S. military forces are supposed to leave Iraq at year’s end, the U.S. Embassy staff was being beefed-up from 8,000 to nearly 20,000 personnel. “So Iraq is a reminder of just how difficult it is to establish a democracy in this part of the world,” said Brokaw. “After all, we've been at war here for eight years now, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent, and thousands and thousands of lives have been lost on both sides.”

Posted by: Frogger MacGhee at April 06, 2011 04:42 PM (+0Ms0)

6 My position on Medicare funding is as clear and consistant as my stance on the use of US force. Wait.

Posted by: The manufactured Messiah at April 06, 2011 04:42 PM (6rX0K)

7 The news media does not report it, therefore many people out here in American have no idea about it.

Posted by: Dan at April 06, 2011 04:42 PM (mXBxH)

8 3What, because its all goodness and lightto spend your children into ruin?Posted by: Lily at April 06, 2011 04:39 PM (igSv+)

Hey, if those children are gullible and naive enough to think that all this can be done at someone else's expense (or better yet, free), then who are we to educate them otherwise? Their belief in us is so ... so ... cute!

Posted by: ya2daup at April 06, 2011 04:44 PM (UzjcV)

9 "Bend the Curve" is just a euphemism for "Forcibly Rearrange Your Lower Intestines Through Unlubricated Sodomy"

Posted by: wooga at April 06, 2011 04:44 PM (2p0e3)

10 Excellent post. Let's hope the GOP can wrap their brains around this.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 06, 2011 04:46 PM (G/MYk)

11 There was a brief confrontationrelated tothis during the Budget mark-up, which is occuring now. The Dems were yelling hypocrisy about the "privatization" of Medicare after the Rs ran ads about ObamaCare shifting money from Medicare to O-Care.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 04:46 PM (UO6+e)

12 What, because its all goodness and lightto spend your children into ruin?

Posted by: Lily at April 06, 2011 04:39 PM (igSv+)

Precisely. I'm spending your children into ruin. Sasha and Malia have an enormous trust fund set up.
Ummmm, is that thunder? Who cares? FORE!

Posted by: President Mulligan at April 06, 2011 04:46 PM (Wr0u7)

13 Awwwwww you call removing money from a program theft. Principles go out the window when you try to yell at Democrats.

Posted by: HaveNots at April 06, 2011 04:47 PM (YzKlv)

14 If Dems deprive seniors of healthcare benefits causing an early demise then add in their support for abortion, doesn't this make them the death party?
Unless, of course,we are facing an enemy that wants us wiped off the face of the earth, then dems want to negociate.

Posted by: booter at April 06, 2011 04:49 PM (w43sl)

15 Again, I'm hoping 2012 is not too late.

Posted by: Soona at April 06, 2011 04:49 PM (QMXsk)

16 Wasserman-Schultz is extremely tough on the senses. If she's their point person on contentious issues, maybe they're inviting personal attacks on their attack dog as some perverted media strategy.

And the dog analogy isn't much of a stretch.

The potential for canine humor would seem virtually unlimited.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 06, 2011 04:49 PM (HBqDo)

17 She is a freaking drone. She just keeps saying the same thing over and over. Somebody should pull her batteries out during a live interview.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at April 06, 2011 04:52 PM (JKe0g)

18 How much is that doggy in the window?

The one with that waggley tail....

How much is that doggy in the window?

I wonder if she is for sale...

(arf! arf!)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 06, 2011 04:52 PM (pLTLS)

19 Do the Repubs ever use coherent talking points (Ryan aside)?

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 06, 2011 04:52 PM (DCpHZ)

20 19 Do the Repubs ever use coherent talking points (Ryan aside)?
I'mhearing lots of them being used in this mark-up meeting.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 04:53 PM (UO6+e)

21 The potential for canine humor would seem virtually unlimited.

Heh. See above. She's either that or something that looked like it was just snaked from the drain. I run screaming from the room when I hear that voice of hers.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 06, 2011 04:53 PM (pLTLS)

22 Do the Repubs ever use coherent talking points (Ryan aside)?
Posted by: Hrothgar

Yeah, let's ignore the point guy to see if we can find one using boilerplate. We Dems are committed to serious adult debate..look! a squirrel!

Posted by: The manufactured Messiah at April 06, 2011 04:54 PM (6rX0K)

23 The Wasserman Test: http://tinyurl.com/y9qkyu3

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 06, 2011 04:54 PM (w41GQ)

24 Medicare and Medicaid will NEVER be sustainable. Their unfunded (UNFUNDED) liabilities are on the order of $120 TRILLION over the next 35 years.

Paul Ryan's plan is not sustainable, either. It just kicks the can down the road. A little.

Posted by: Ella at April 06, 2011 04:55 PM (DmnMk)

25 It really, really pissed me off when the MBM, the left in general, and a lot of the fucking idiots on the right made fun of the Tea Party seniors who carried signs saying "KeepYour Hands Off My Medicare".
First of all, there is only so much you can put on a sign...and there is a plenitude of fucking morons who do not get the implications.
These are people who had their Medicare payments forcibly taken from them starting in 1965. Now that they need the benefits promised in return for this theft...they are getting fucked.
Thefucking Jackassocrats have taken away their healthcare that they promised them over 4 decades ago.
My mother has been informed that certain procedures that she needs will now either be unavailable since the doctors will no longer be reimbursed by Medicare...or she will have to pay out the ass for them.
If anyone tries to tell you that Medicare is socialized medicine approved of by the majority of Americans...punch them in the fucking teeth because it's nothing but another fucking Jackassocrat Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: beedubya at April 06, 2011 04:55 PM (AnTyA)

26 Her amendment just lost in Committee.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 04:55 PM (UO6+e)

27 Wasserman-Schultz is extremely tough on the senses. If she's their point person on contentious issues, maybe they're inviting personal attacks on their attack dog as some perverted media strategy.And the dog analogy isn't much of a stretch. The potential for canine humor would seem virtually unlimited.
Posted by: ontherocks at April 06, 2011 04:49 PM (HBqDo)

It's coming. We know it is. When we start disagreeing with DWS, we'll be accused of attacking a sick, frail woman. Just watch. That's why she's there. (Why, if we just had Ocare, Debbie would get the treatment she needed andbe skipping through green meadows singing the song of life.)

Posted by: Soona at April 06, 2011 04:55 PM (QMXsk)

28 Do the Repubs ever use coherent talking points (Ryan aside)?
Posted by: Hrothgar

Do the Dems realize that they should have had a budget formulated, submitted and passed by October 2010?
Do the Dems believe that "we have to pass it to see what's in it" is the hallmark of responsible governance?

Posted by: The manufactured Messiah at April 06, 2011 04:56 PM (6rX0K)

29 new post up

Posted by: willow at April 06, 2011 04:58 PM (h+qn8)

30 >>beedubya at April 06, 2011 04:55 PM (AnTyA)

I've been going through the Medicare nightmare for a few years with my folks. It is a flat out disaster.

Imagine getting your healthcare decisions made for you by the DMV. Then imagine it's worse.

I plan to pull a Rutger Hauer before I have to deal with any government form of healthcare, just sit down and "Time to die".

Posted by: JackStraw at April 06, 2011 04:59 PM (TMB3S)

31 14If Dems deprive seniors of healthcare benefits causing an early
demise then add in their support for abortion, doesn't this make them
the death party?Posted by: booter at April 06, 2011 04:49 PM (w43sl)

Hey, they're not the vanguard for the Liberal-Abortionist Complex for nothing!


Posted by: ya2daup at April 06, 2011 04:59 PM (UzjcV)

32
I wonder if she is for sale...(arf! arf!) Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 06, 2011 04:52 PM (pLTLS)And so it begins....

...looking for Dog Whisperer on the cable guide for future consults

Posted by: ontherocks at April 06, 2011 05:00 PM (HBqDo)

33 Boehner and others need to just repeat 'We are trying to finish the constitutional work that Pelosi and Reid did not do last year. They could have even done this during the lame-duck session, but chose to ram through their political crap first. Now it is up to us to act like adults, and finish their work, like the Present said.'
Over and over and over, just like they repeat killing granny over and over.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at April 06, 2011 05:01 PM (UU0OF)

34 sorry 29# was supposed to be on previous post.
red faced.

Posted by: willow at April 06, 2011 05:05 PM (h+qn8)

35 Schwalbe at 33, technically, there's no Constitutional need for a budget. The House has to initiate all appropriations, but the Constitution is otherwise silent on budgets.

Posted by: XBradTC at April 06, 2011 05:07 PM (X0Ona)

36 Wasserman-Schultz- because nothing says mental confusion more than a White, Jewish woman with jeri curls.

Posted by: Marcus at April 06, 2011 05:08 PM (CHrmZ)

37 For some unfathomable reason The Hill stooped to allowing Markos Moulitas to post at its website, and he wrote a column using the same dishonest talking points, today. The funny thing is, he got completely pummeled in the comments.


Posted by: Nice Deb at April 06, 2011 05:08 PM (HBcQt)

38 The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 is supposed to be the process by which Congress passes budgets.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 05:13 PM (UO6+e)

39 #5 Frogger McGhee, that post on Brokaw, the Saudis, and 20,000 at the embassy seemed so weird I went looking for it.

For those who want to verify it, it is on the CNS web site complete with a tape of Brokaw reporting from Baghdad.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 06, 2011 05:24 PM (Fo83G)

40 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 05:13 PM (UO6+e)
well that's a;most 100 years old--no longer relevant!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 06, 2011 05:24 PM (DCpHZ)

41 Wasserman would fail a Voit-Kampf test.

Posted by: toby928™ at April 06, 2011 05:29 PM (GTbGH)

42 With all due respect: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are giant, expensive Ponzi scams - and like all Ponzi scams, at some point, they collapse, and the last ones to in wind up losing everything they were promised. Either the present generation or some future generation is going to have to face that simple reality.

It sounds heartless as hell to say that in some generation, a lot of people are going to take a loss, and whenever that day comes, the Party of the Left is going to be able to paint those who oversee it as hating our entitled seniors. We can face that now, or face it someday in the future.

When that happens, the duty will return to families to take care of their elderly instead of government, and for working citizens to put away for their own future instead of the government. We will stop taxing earners for these three programs, and stop redistributing the proceeds. At that point, we as a nation will be able to balance our national budget.

Go ahead and hate on me for stating the ugly but inevitable truth.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at April 06, 2011 05:30 PM (Jdtsu)

43 Another thing we have to add into our lexicon and repeat endlessly:
Obama stole $500 billion from seniors' Medicare jut a year and a half
ago.

Never happen. It looks too much like fighting back.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 06, 2011 05:30 PM (McG46)

44 43 Never happen. It looks too much like fighting back.
The Rs ran ads against that before the November election.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 05:33 PM (UO6+e)

45 If my Mother perishes because some government flunky denied her effective care, she'll be accompanied to the grave by the same. They can serve her in the afterlife like an ancient pharaoh.

Posted by: toby928™ at April 06, 2011 05:33 PM (GTbGH)

46 Never happen. It looks too much like fighting back.
You must have missed John Shimkus lay into Kathleen Seibilus at the last hearing where he got her to admit that they not only did they take it...but counted it twice.
I hate Illinois. But Shimkus is my Congressman (and I cross fingers they don't try to re-district him and Schrock in the same district) and about the only good thing to come out of Southern Illinois.

Posted by: Mallamutt at April 06, 2011 05:38 PM (OWjjx)

47 OT: Rep. Pascrell (D-NJ)is one of the worst-behaved members of Congress I have ever seen. If the Committee Chair tells you to be quiet and says your behavior is unacceptable, then you shut your mouth.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 05:43 PM (UO6+e)

48 Wassermann-Shultz? German jew? She couldn't be more conflicted if her name was Shiniqua Gonzalez

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 06, 2011 05:47 PM (cDRYC)

49 Just a reminder: Rand Paul's budget makes Paul Ryan's budget look like Barack Obama's budget.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 06, 2011 05:59 PM (McG46)

50 Facts don't matter to the Demagogue Party. In fact, they're damaging to their message.

Hope Boehner figures that out.

Posted by: kcs at April 06, 2011 06:00 PM (/8qpd)

51 Because liberals lie about everything.

I haven't pointed that out for a few days.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2011 06:16 PM (bxiXv)

52 49 Just a reminder: Rand Paul's budget makes Paul Ryan's budget look like Barack Obama's budget.
Trouble is that Senator Paul had/has the ability to write whatever he wanted/wants because he wasn't/isn't in a position where he has to capture "the will of the conference".

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 06, 2011 06:43 PM (UO6+e)

53 Whoa, this can't be true. At no time has CNN or CBS or ABC even breathed a word about the Democrat slashing of Medicare. So, therefore, it must be false. I'd write more but it's medicine time.

Posted by: Full Moon at April 06, 2011 06:47 PM (DtbEv)

54 Do Dems think all seniors are dumber than a rock? Well, yes, they do. Are we? Not according to the last election, where 59% of us voted Republican. And that's what hasthe Demsconcerned, because they know we are very aware of the ballot box. We vote, and while some us may not remember too well nowadays, we damn sure know when they take money AWAY from us.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at April 06, 2011 06:48 PM (QMGr1)

55 Obama stole $500 billion from seniors' Medicare jut a year and a half ago.....and then proceeded to deny he was doing so repeatedly.
I had to actually Google this to prove to an Obama supporter (who works from home and has MSNBC on all day long and listens to all Obama speeches) that this was the case. He simply couldn't believe it i.e. I must be a racist.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at April 06, 2011 07:29 PM (ocHBO)

56 An important distinction: What the Democrats are proposing is probably better for the senior citizen institutions like AARP, since it guarantees a level of dependence among seniors in perpetuity, while the GOP plan would lessen that dependence and thus imperil the AARP.
C'mon, nobody herethinks the AARP looks out for its members interests at the expense of its own institution inerta, do they?

Posted by: Sean P at April 06, 2011 08:58 PM (M3QBc)

57 49 Just a reminder: Rand Paul's budget makes Paul Ryan's budget look like Barack Obama's budget.
Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 06, 2011 05:59 PM (McG46)
I just wrote a Federal budget. It says "Zero" and has an O with a line through it.Herr Doktor Science is a pussy compared to me!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2011 08:58 PM (bxiXv)

58
I had to actually Google this to prove to an Obama supporter (who works from home and has MSNBC on all day long and listens to all Obama speeches) that this was the case. He simply couldn't believe it i.e. I must be a racist. Posted by: East Bay Jay at April 06, 2011 07:29 PM (ocHBO)
I think I've evolved past that point. I used to spend days showing someone the evidence that their political masters were lying to them, after which they went back to their political masters and asked:"Are you lying to me?""No.""Phew! That was a close one!"Universal suffrage was a fucking horrible idea - the only problem is, letting someone decide who can vote is a worse idea. It's like a rat maze with no exit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2011 09:00 PM (bxiXv)

59 Jedi mind tricks (i.e., facts) don't work on Debbie Wattoman-Schultz. She's a Toydarian!

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