Wisconsin Unions Suddenly Very, Very Willing To Negotiate Pay & Benefits Down (But Wait Until You Read the Reason)

Kristen from POWIP writes that recently Sauk County, WI, negotiated a deal with five different unions.

The local unions conceded to the county the powers to...

Implement a 0% pay increase each year

Hire and fire at will in the face of economic difficulty

Change or even abolish pay classifications

Deetermine type and level of healthcare coverage offered

Increase healthcare contribution levels over time

Set the level of pension contributions

Woah! Suddenly the unions are so reasonable it hurts, huh? When I was tipped about this post, I was confused, because reading this, I thought: My God, that's more than reasonable. I mean, they're pretty much giving the county everything it could want.

So... unions are the good guys, maybe?

Well, maybe, but not here.

The unions negotiated a contract for their members that gives their members nothing.

But, it is technically a contract that can be passed quickly.

Which means for the next 33 months, operating under this contract, while getting nothing from their union reps, union members will... retain the privilege of continuing to pay union dues.

What's the difference between the deal negotiated here and what they could have received from a Walker-regime county? Well, the Walker-regime county probably would have given them more... while the union members also weren't forced to donate to the union.

So the union bosses get to keep their phoney-baloney jobs, the members get doodly-squat.

Dan Collins writes:

[W]hatever the unions may say about rights to collective bargaining, they only thing that they’re concerned about, when push comes to shove, is that the state grant them the service of collecting their dues from them directly from the state’s employees. The employees must be in the unions as a condition of their employment, and must grant the unions the right to disburse political contributions ostensibly on their behalf but really without their consent to Democrats almost exclusively.

Posted by: Ace at 06:51 PM



Comments

1
interesting development

progress?

Posted by: fuckit at April 04, 2011 06:53 PM (uFokq)

2 So the union bosses get to keep their phoney-baloney jobs

hrmph...hrmph...hrmph...

Posted by: Union Bosses at April 04, 2011 06:53 PM (th0op)

3 I get the elevator, you get the shaft...

Posted by: Your Friends At The Union Head Office at April 04, 2011 06:55 PM (QKKT0)

4 I didn't get a harrrumph outta that guy.

Posted by: The Gov at April 04, 2011 06:56 PM (QKKT0)

5 The unions were there for the working families....Their phony baloney jobs

Posted by: Bosk at April 04, 2011 06:57 PM (pUO5u)

6 mr. ace dan didn't write this

"By Kirsten on April 4th, 2011"

Posted by: newrouter at April 04, 2011 07:00 PM (nfC5u)

7 So basically the only thing they fucking cared about was forceably taking money from everyone who desires a job as a teacher or government employee. For this "right", as they called it, they camped out in the capitol and protested for weeks. For this "right", they bussed in thousands of out of state union fucks to litter and piss off everyone in the state.

It would be hilarious if those people could not vote.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 04, 2011 07:01 PM (VidfH)

8 When it comes to the Union, its all about the dues.

Posted by: CatLady at April 04, 2011 07:01 PM (CyPWX)

9 The rank and file need someone to put them some knowledge on how rank their union bosses smell.

So they keep the right to have their dues confiscated before they get their paychecks? Now that's good faith negotiatin'.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 04, 2011 07:02 PM (HBqDo)

10

So... unions are the good guys, maybe?
Well, maybe, but not here no. Not ever.
Fixed and all that.


Posted by: Herr Blücher at April 04, 2011 07:03 PM (u5XkR)

11 As I've said,
"If you like your union, your union can keep you."

Posted by: Randy at April 04, 2011 07:03 PM (D0PNd)

12 I think I see some eyes opening up there teachers..

Posted by: Student always told to wake up. at April 04, 2011 07:04 PM (CyPWX)

13 As long as we all remember the dues is used to support democrat fucktards that want everything right back where it was. Many State employees are stupid enough to fall for this shit. I know the one in my family is.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at April 04, 2011 07:05 PM (cDRYC)

14 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?

Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 04, 2011 07:05 PM (iYwUw)

15 I love the press coverage of all this bullshit. Did they ever once, one fucking time, interview or put someone on TV who was forced to be a member and did not want to be? Who had their money forceably stolen from them and used to fund Democrat campaigns.

Now think back to ever presidential campaign or "news" cast about healthcare, how many people were "found" that were just normal every day people with catastrophic health problems who just wanted a chance but their mean ol insurance company blah blah blah you get the fucking point.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 04, 2011 07:06 PM (VidfH)

16 Gosh, too bad I live in a right-to-work state. I want a union boss looking out for me.

Posted by: Lilredhen at April 04, 2011 07:08 PM (LS8KJ)

17 Wisconsin needs to fire the 12,000 they were threatening to do. It won't happen though, which is why this nation is circling the drain.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 04, 2011 07:08 PM (G/MYk)

18 Is it really extortion when you give it up willingly?

God bless those union workers.

Have they realize yet they just got fucked hard twice?
Or is this a sympathy concession for all of the times they screwed the taxpayers?

Posted by: Fritz at April 04, 2011 07:08 PM (FaFnu)

19 sooo, the members of the Union get to say I Belong to local union blah blah Hooray, , My dues aren't too bad.
a person asks, "what do they do for you ",
Union person "they do contracts and stuff for us so the fat cats don't steal all the money,
other person :"Did thatjust happen here?
Union Person: "well i dunno, but i know my unions happy , so then , so am I. I can say i'm a part of something bigger then me, and when the fat cats are taken advanatge of me , i get to walk out i get to scream and yell in public and get my pic taken, and my union BA is happy it's a win right?"
?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2011 07:10 PM (h+qn8)

20 Heyyyyyyy! -- SMART POWER!

Posted by: Union Boss at April 04, 2011 07:11 PM (xEXzN)

21 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?
Seniority rules, you could have the IQ of a dead plant, and keep your Job.

Posted by: CatLady at April 04, 2011 07:11 PM (CyPWX)

22 Union Dude; We Won!! woo hoo, I still get to pay my union dues and be a part of something!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2011 07:12 PM (h+qn8)

23
It would appear that my emails contributed to this success, and my name will enter the Union Hall of Fame for closing with and striking the enemy where it hurts.

Posted by: Katherine Windels, Cross Plains, WI at April 04, 2011 07:12 PM (ZHsNw)

24

Which means for the next 33 months, operating under this contract, while
getting nothing from their union reps, union members will... retain the
privilege of continuing to pay union dues.
The union head parasites always have to get theirs first, right? Unless you're in a position of authority, I don't understand why anybody would want to join a union willingly these days. All the union bosses you see on TV look like the stereotypical fat cat, "screw the worker" CEO's that the union bosses love to denigrate.
Union heads, you wanna know who's really screwing the workers and taxpayers of this country? Look in the mirror.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 04, 2011 07:13 PM (c0A3e)

25 At what point can union members claim a conflict of interest and sue?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 04, 2011 07:14 PM (0q2P7)

26 Yes, they are that stupid. Hopefully they are so stupid they will get lost on the way to the polling station tomorrow, although the unions will probably hire little yellow buses to make sure they don't get distracted along the way.
Time to donate people!
https://www.hopeisnthiring.com/default.aspx

Posted by: timwi at April 04, 2011 07:15 PM (Sxt4Z)

27 Teachers Unions are like muslim goat herders, the Teachers are the goats, they will just BAAA and take in the, whatever hole the union wants to use on that day. There is a lot of them so they still beleive in saftey in numbers.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at April 04, 2011 07:15 PM (cDRYC)

28 progress?
Certainly.
Next step: Independent contractors. Governments will farm out its various functions to independent contractors. Maybe one independent contracting firm that fixes the roads, and another firm that staffs the schools with faculty.
That's really all a union is, isn't it? Except each one has a monopoly.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 04, 2011 07:15 PM (JuKNT)

29
This is a big win for our side. Never forget it was the union that provided the prosperity and great wages when the corporations only wanted to keep you down.

Posted by: Richard Trumpka, Pinky Ring Dude at April 04, 2011 07:15 PM (ZHsNw)

30 At what point can union members claim a conflict of interest and sue?
That would be at point shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Your Friends At The Union Head Office at April 04, 2011 07:16 PM (QKKT0)

31 corporations and fat cats seem to be Tax payers now, weird. Fight the man!
we faced the Man and we won!
oh ok

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2011 07:17 PM (h+qn8)

32 America....FUCK YEAH!

Posted by: Insert Hilarious SockPuppet Here at April 04, 2011 07:18 PM (VidfH)

33
If you thought Tony Soprano and Luca Brasi knew a few tricks, just go ahead and make our day bitch.

Posted by: SEIU Enforcer & Bone Crusher at April 04, 2011 07:18 PM (ZHsNw)

34 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?

Posted by: gebrauchshund


Well, if brains were dynamite, they wouldn't have enough to blow my nose. Yup, the country is in the best of hands.

Suckahs!!!!!!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 04, 2011 07:18 PM (sJTmU)

35 brought to you by AFL-CIO, "we're looking out for the dowtrodden"

pay up dude, or you're Out!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2011 07:19 PM (h+qn8)

36 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?
The teachers are pretty smart, actually. So are the union leaders. It seems like a win-win. The unions continue to get funded, and the teachers can go into their classrooms without crutches.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 04, 2011 07:20 PM (JuKNT)

37 State after state is strapped for cash. What the states ought to do is to charge the unions a fee for union dues collection. I think $50,000 per union employee would be a good starting point.

Posted by: JimmyHoffa at April 04, 2011 07:21 PM (ez3Ze)

38 The question of how smart are union guys is relevant. My personal experience is they aren't very smart. I haven't had a great deal of contact with union guysbut those I have met aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree. There are exceptions of course. One very bright guy said he resented his union because it holds him back and doesn't allow him to shine. He would have been a success where ever he worked.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at April 04, 2011 07:21 PM (2o7Ys)

39 People that remain in unions that abuse their power like this exhibit some traits of Stockholm Syndrome.
However in this case they they weren't kidnapped against their will, they proudly and eagerly volunteered.

Very useful idiots indeed.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 04, 2011 07:21 PM (HBqDo)

40 Good, dopes deserve to be fucked.

Posted by: boniface ballers at April 04, 2011 07:21 PM (brV0p)

41
At what point can union members claim a conflict of interest and sue?

Yeah, after your wife comes over and services Big Tommy's cock, then we can talk about it.

Posted by: Fat Anthony Zigarella at April 04, 2011 07:22 PM (ZHsNw)

42 "...and the teachers can go into their classrooms without crutches." - Firehorse



Now that there is pretty funny.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 04, 2011 07:22 PM (sJTmU)

43 Union Shmuion, why wasn't there some advance notice on the slut walk post? I think if we're talking about something that is obviously of national moron importance there should be some advance notice!

Posted by: robtr at April 04, 2011 07:22 PM (MtwBb)

44 >>>mr. ace dan didn't write this "By Kirsten on April 4th, 2011"

I know but Dan Collins wrote the final part I quoted.

Posted by: ace at April 04, 2011 07:22 PM (nj1bB)

45 So, the imbeciles that voted for the unions are getting screwed by the unions on everything that they thought they wanted from a union?

Yup, teachers are fucking brilliant.

Posted by: Damiano at April 04, 2011 07:23 PM (3nrx7)

46 Can anyone put a number on this ( dues collected ) , say , per month .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 04, 2011 07:24 PM (npr0X)

47 Wait till Limbaugh hears this. He is most accurate when he says mandatory dues are just money laundering operations for the Dems.

As a former (forced) union member, I say that most of the members are victims of their leaders and hate them.

Posted by: PJ at April 04, 2011 07:24 PM (erPX9)

48 If I were gov walker I would fire every union worker he had
Authority to, decertify their unions and rehire them
At 10% under comparable private sector counterparts.
Make them pay 10-20% of their gross salaries for individual
/family benefits. Then basically set the bobs on them
And make them justify their jobs. While we're at it
Launch investigations into all the union heads
Finances/relationships with wisconsin elected officials.

Pass all savings back to the tax payers, specifically property
Tax payers.

If this proves too problematic to the average Wisconsin
Voter then I say walker should go the other way and teach them a lesson by proposing 3% annual raises for all
Public sector employees for, say 5 years and tie it to property taxes and raise property taxes 5% to cover
The raises and potential shortfalls. It's time to stop dicking
Around.

Posted by: McLovin at April 04, 2011 07:24 PM (uIsyO)

49 but you're right, the way I wrote it suggests Dan Collins wrote it all, so I added a reference to Kristen in the beginning.

Thanks.

Posted by: ace at April 04, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)

50 I don't get it.

Posted by: Rank and File at April 04, 2011 07:24 PM (N2yhW)

51 Back in da '80's, I worked for a small chemical company in Cleveland. The husband of one of the woman working there was a UAW union steward at the Ford plant in Cleveland.


As a union steward in 1986, with only a high school education, he made $56,000 a year. And he was pretty dull, too.


Is this a great country or what?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 04, 2011 07:25 PM (sJTmU)

52 Hmmm - hire and fire at will. Does that mean that the ones with seniority are now just as vulnerable as the rest? I like that.

And, have the members ratified the contracts yet? There has to be a vote, and if the thing is read out loud, the members aren't going to be happy.

Posted by: Infidel Librarian at April 04, 2011 07:26 PM (PfiCf)

53 I don't get it.
Posted by: Rank and File
BA "You still have a Job don't you? We saved it now go back to work "

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2011 07:29 PM (h+qn8)

54 I suppose the bosses are betting on the fact that the republicans and maybe Walker will be gone soon, and that by playing nice they can keep the strength in numbers then line back up at the trough without losing a beat.

Posted by: Alex #11 at April 04, 2011 07:32 PM (pGTO3)

55 I don't get it.Posted by: Rank and File
Fuckin' A youse don't get it. We get it...see.

Posted by: Union Debate Team Captain at April 04, 2011 07:32 PM (iYwUw)

56 Don't the rank and file (read losers) have to vote to accept the contract? Hey, if they vote for this shit pie with whipped cum topping, who are we to argue with them?

Go for it uniontards. Have an extra slice while you are at it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2011 07:32 PM (ENKCw)

57 State after state is strapped for cash. What the states ought to do is to charge the unions a fee for union dues collection. I think $50,000 per union employee would be a good starting point.Posted by: JimmyHoffa at April 04, 2011 07:21 PM (ez3Ze) The good cagey ones always die young.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2011 07:34 PM (urYpw)

58 @49

It's too bad that (I don't think) you idea would be legal.

But you may be on to something:
1. Declare a budget default
2. Put it to a public vote, line by line. Check the property tax increase for each government expense or the elimination of the expense.

No more federal money for this shit. I am sick of paying for a WI teacher's 100k/ year "sick days" while they are out cursing me... and I live in TX. Your state defaults, you starve. I really don't care. You voted for it.

Posted by: Damiano at April 04, 2011 07:35 PM (3nrx7)

59 Well, I guess it beats the rest of us paying for these slobs through welfare and unemployment.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at April 04, 2011 07:35 PM (4ABat)

60 You got a problem with this?

Put a sign in your window, or you might have a fire.

Just saying, lightning is real bad this time of year.

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at April 04, 2011 07:35 PM (JpFM9)

61
Don't the rank and file (read losers) have to vote to accept the
contract? Hey, if they vote for this shit pie with whipped cum topping,
who are we to argue with them? Go for it uniontards. Have an extra slice while you are at it.

After all the Sturm and Drang, wouldn't it be priceless if one of the low-level brighter ones pointed out to the rest what's happening and they revolt?

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2011 07:37 PM (urYpw)

62 No more federal money for this shit. I am sick of
paying for a WI teacher's 100k/ year "sick days" while they are out
cursing me... and I live in TX. Your state defaults, you starve. I
really don't care. You voted for it.

Posted by: Damiano at April 04, 2011 07:35 PM (3nrx7)
Uh, uh, um, uh, that wouldn't be fair, not paying for them. After all, they're going to have to pay for high-speed rail all across the country just like you are.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama, Re-Elect Me! at April 04, 2011 07:39 PM (urYpw)

63 Don't the rank and file (read losers) have to vote to accept the contract?
They don't want or care about your vote, DUES baby DUES!

Posted by: CatLady at April 04, 2011 07:39 PM (CyPWX)

64 Screw this shit, why don't we have a post about THIS!

BACON!!

http://tinyurl.com/3bpkpth

Posted by: Kemp at April 04, 2011 07:41 PM (JpFM9)

65 Unions make me mad.

Rapin' mad.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist at April 04, 2011 07:42 PM (g6nyw)

66 Fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: Your friendly helpful union at April 04, 2011 07:43 PM (MMC8r)

67 Rapin' mad.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist at April 04, 2011 07:42 PM (g6nyw)
Report yourself son, or we'll send the slut patrol over.

Posted by: , Sgt Major RMC at April 04, 2011 07:44 PM (JpFM9)

68 @63

Oh yeah? Come and get it.

Since strikes are so popular with this administration, I am seriously thinking that it's time for a tax strike. I would LOVE to see the IRS dragging 48% of the country to court. Especially our 48%.

Posted by: Damiano at April 04, 2011 07:45 PM (3nrx7)

69

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist at April 04, 2011 07:42 PM (g6nyw)So where's the border, at the size of her rack or the length of your drought?




































Posted by: ontherocks at April 04, 2011 07:47 PM (HBqDo)

70 I didn't forget aboot ace, either.

Insulting our infantry?

That's a rapin'.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist and Disgruntled Infantryman at April 04, 2011 07:47 PM (g6nyw)

71 Here, the evil top-hatted capitalists are the taxpayers.
Fucking taxpayers...

Posted by: TexasJew at April 04, 2011 07:48 PM (QK1rf)

72 Am I a clown for your fuckin' amusement?

Posted by: Circus Clown Union at April 04, 2011 07:49 PM (QK1rf)

73 TODAY'S CHANCE OF RAPE: 50%

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Rapist and Disgruntled Infantryman at April 04, 2011 07:50 PM (g6nyw)

74 Related: WI Dem Faces Recall Election

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 07:50 PM (UO6+e)

75 Well, see the important thing is the unions get to spend all that dues money for deWon's campaign. The hell with the actual members. It's all about deWon's campaign! Got those contracts done just in time!

Posted by: Steph at April 04, 2011 07:52 PM (AkdC5)

76 A Miller analogy:
Me: Unions as
AmishDude: Lawyers

Posted by: TexasJew at April 04, 2011 07:52 PM (QK1rf)

77 OT: Someone mentioned in another thread that something like this would happen in the future. Guess the future is now:

Turbo Tax Timmeh is begging for more money:

http://tinyurl.com/3u2jqrn

"Some lawmakers have called for legislation to force the Treasury to first pay interest on U.S. bonds before other obligations, such as unemployment benefits and Social Security and Medicare payments, as a way to stave off a debt default."

Posted by: Damiano at April 04, 2011 07:53 PM (3nrx7)

78 The Bernank senses a distrubance in the Force....

Posted by: TexasJew at April 04, 2011 07:54 PM (QK1rf)

79 Any response from the union members yet on this??

Posted by: CDR M at April 04, 2011 07:54 PM (JSetw)

80 Next step: Independent contractors. Governments
will farm out its various functions to independent contractors. Maybe
one independent contracting firm that fixes the roads, and another firm
that staffs the schools with faculty.
That's really all a union is, isn't it? Except each one has a monopoly.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 04, 2011 07:15 PM (JuKNT)
Of course, we can make this work as well because we will certify the "approval" of independent contractors. There just might be a correlation between campaign contributions, purely voluntary union participation, and certification, but that will be pure coincidence and not statistically significant (at least not the way Timmy G keeps the books).

Posted by: Barky O at April 04, 2011 07:55 PM (DCpHZ)

81 80 Any response from the union members yet on this??
Posted by: CDR M at April 04, 2011 07:54 PM (JSetw)
Someone will have to wake them up for supper.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 04, 2011 07:55 PM (QK1rf)

82 All our members are in favor if this (if they know what's good for them).

Posted by: Teachers Union Rep at April 04, 2011 07:57 PM (DCpHZ)

83 Harry still wants Card Check, force you Hos, pay Up!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/42tpert

Posted by: CatLady at April 04, 2011 08:00 PM (CyPWX)

84 OT: Politico is now claiming Budget settled at $6T. Whether this is just another link or the actual number remains to be seen, though it confirms what Rush said earlier today.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 08:11 PM (UO6+e)

85 union dues -> union boss pay -> politicians -> higher taxes -> more union pay -> more union dues -> more union boss pay -> more graft -> more corrupt politicians -> more taxes -> more graft for the union boss -> more power.

union dues = power. That is all it is about.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 04, 2011 08:11 PM (Z1jiu)

86 85 Edit: "leak" not "link"

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 08:13 PM (UO6+e)

87 Is this getting ANY media coverage in Wisconsin? Great stuff but useless unless it gets out into the airwaves in Wisconsin.

Posted by: CDR M at April 04, 2011 08:13 PM (Mv/2X)

88 The important thing is to keep laundering the money back to Democrats.

Posted by: nickless at April 04, 2011 08:14 PM (MMC8r)

89 Is this getting ANY media coverage in Wisconsin? Great stuff but useless unless it gets out into the airwaves in Wisconsin.

ha ha, good one.

Posted by: MBM at April 04, 2011 08:18 PM (Z1jiu)

90 The people! United! Will end up getting bited!

This chant, by a dozen of so loudmouth heavies out on the sidewalk, carrying signs, all this happening about dinner time, should be out in front of every single one of these union members' homes, for a couple weeks or so.

The signs: You got ZERO raise! Thanks!

And: Hey, how you like those BIGGER BENEFIT DEDUCTIONS?

And: But THANKS for those auto-dues check-offs! Signed, your UNION BOSSES!

Posted by: HackedTheHubble&Looking@U at April 04, 2011 08:21 PM (4sQwu)

91 Final number for 2012 budget= $6.2T in cuts

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 08:23 PM (UO6+e)

92 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 08:23 PM (UO6+e)
That's a good start.

Posted by: CDR M at April 04, 2011 08:32 PM (cqZXM)

93 I will negotiate you nothing and still take your money.
But first you will blow me.

Posted by: Mel local shop stewart at April 04, 2011 08:33 PM (ZUWaD)

94 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?
It'sless stupidity thanprogramming,similar toa cult.
All our members are in favor if this (if they know what's good for them).Intimidation within the ranks is commonplace. (Which is one reason why it's hard to get a union decertified, evenwhenenough members are fed up--who's willing to be seen gathering signatures?)
Any complaining will no doubt be done anonymously, if at all.

Posted by: stillwater at April 04, 2011 08:34 PM (0GpN4)

95
"The president's recent budget proposal would accelerate America's descent into a debt crisis. It doubles debt held by the public by the end of his first term and triples it by 2021. It imposes $1.5 trillion in new taxes, with spending that never falls below 23% of the economy. His budget permanently enlarges the size of government. It offers no reforms to save government health and retirement programs, and no leadership."

Posted by: CatLady at April 04, 2011 08:36 PM (CyPWX)

96 When people belong to a union, they give the union the right to bargain for the members. The union can sign a contract and tell the workers, shut and live with it. It has been done. All the business agents care about is their paycheck.

Posted by: CICERO SKIP at April 04, 2011 08:40 PM (E8uXq)

97 93 That's a good start.

It appears there was an argument for more but the usual suspects didn't support it. Anyway, I like the details I'm seeing both from his WSJ piece and the report from Politico-- reforming the food stamp program (in addition to other entitlement reforms), eliminating Fannie Freddie and the permanent bail-outs, a call for energy reform, specifics on tax reform and budgetary process reform, looks like ObamaCare is defunded, etc. It'sa better deal than I thought they would get from Boehner, to be honest.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 04, 2011 08:44 PM (UO6+e)

98 Something similar happened to union coalminers in WV, KY, PA, and VA. Richard Trumpka, the former union boss of the mine workers, told them to all go f*ck themselves and supported the coal industry killing Cap Trade Bill. I know union coal miners that want to murder Trumpka, literally. The union bosses, just like upper management in the corporate world, are disconnected from the rank-in-file just like corporate management are disconnected from stockholders. When there comes a conflict between doing what is best for the union workers (or stockholders), the union bosses (corportate managers) will always take the path that benefits their own personal interest to the detriment of the union worker (stockholder). Looking out for #1! Trumpka moved up to a better job, head of the AFL-CIO, or whatever it is called nowadays, with a bigger paycheck and the union miners that followed his leadership and paid the dues that made up his paycheck get told that the coal industry should die (along with all of their jobs and benefits). Hope and Change for 2012. Suckers!

Posted by: hughie at April 04, 2011 08:47 PM (+56Bh)

99 If the WI fiasco shows the country anything at all, it's the unions' true colors.
BTW, if anyone's interested in "workers' rights," here's what the NLRA says about that:
RIGHTS OF EMPLOYEES
Sec. 7. [§ 157.] Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection, and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all such activities except to the extent that such right may be affected by an agreement requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment as authorized in section 8(a)(3) [section 158(a)(3) of this title]. (emphasis mine)
____
That's all the employeesget. (Oh, and a 'right-to-work' law is the only thing that keeps them from being required to join.)
Fuck the unions.

Posted by: stillwater at April 04, 2011 08:49 PM (0GpN4)

100 This next campaign is going to be expensive. I need all the donations I can get. My cut is going to be at least 50% of dues for the next year.
The union bosses will sell out their own members for me.
Are you in?

Posted by: Barak Obama at April 04, 2011 08:51 PM (BAtLQ)

101 All your dues are belong to us

Posted by: FTW It's for your own good at April 04, 2011 08:58 PM (ZUWaD)

102 Sock Fail. Was supposed to be WTF
I kinda like the fail better....

Posted by: KZnextzone at April 04, 2011 09:00 PM (ZUWaD)

103 Just how fucking stupid are the rank and file union members?

Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 04, 2011 07:05 PM (iYwUw)
They are public school teachers. QED.

Posted by: tcn at April 04, 2011 09:09 PM (QuGK2)

104 Pray I don't alter the deal further. [respirator exhale / respirator inhale]

Posted by: Count de Monet, Darth wannabe at April 04, 2011 09:10 PM (XBM1t)

105 Heh, heh - talk about the mask getting ripped off???
I think their faces were ripped off.
Scam scam scam - the truth is very hurtful to these union scumbags.

Posted by: izoneguy at April 04, 2011 09:23 PM (83mM1)

106 Give til it Hurts!

Posted by: Local Pron Union Reseda Chapter 4269 at April 04, 2011 09:36 PM (ZUWaD)

107 I'd love to see the legislature pass a bill whose only the provision is to stop withholding for union dues. Not many unionistas would turn out for that. The next bill says that unions cannot be a monopoly for any group of employees - there must be more than one union that potential members can choose to be represented by. The one after that says that unions cannot contribute more than $___ per election to any candidate, issue or party. The next one says that unions must disclose to each member what percentage of their dues goes to political campaigns, and let the union members reduce that percentage for his dues. The next one says that unions have to disclose the current balance in the pension fund for each member and the average rate of return for that balance, and how much the member must contribute to get the balance to a fiscally realistic amount to sustain the pension payouts for some average (maybe 20 years), the next one says the union officials must reveal their salaries to all members during annual meetings and allow the members to vote to set those salaries... any other ideas, guys?

Posted by: ExExZonie at April 04, 2011 09:44 PM (DRR4t)

108 109--
Annual recertification, via secret ballot election.
Right-to-work.
Contracts apply to members only. (Non-members could still bargain for themselves.)
That's all I got for now....

Posted by: stillwater at April 04, 2011 10:08 PM (0GpN4)

109 Oh, and I like what somebody suggested above--that the employer should charge a fee for withholding dues (and I would add: IF the employee wanted payroll deduction.)

Posted by: stillwater at April 04, 2011 10:12 PM (0GpN4)

110 Someone above said to let member sue the union for conflict of interest. That too, and also malfeasance, misappropriation of funds, incompetence, bribery, intimidation, etc.

Posted by: ExExZonie at April 04, 2011 10:42 PM (DRR4t)

111 Union leadership are the scum of the Earth

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 04, 2011 10:48 PM (tvs2p)

112 Union, DemonRAT and Islamic leadership are the scum of the Earth

Posted by: ExExZonie at April 04, 2011 10:53 PM (DRR4t)

113 Dont ever trust those corupt labor unions their as slippery as a bucket of eels and as nasty as a school of barracuta

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at April 05, 2011 12:23 AM (vA9ld)

114 Hey my union leader may be an asshole, but he's my asshole. And I love him. I don't care how often he screws me over, he makes me feel proud to be a union member! As they say, when you look for the union label, you'll usually find it sewed to a moron's forehead.

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