The Sexual Marketplace and How The Firesale-Prices Cost of Sex Hurts Women

Very interesting (and conservative-in-implication) article at the amateur webzine Slate about the plummeting social costs of sex, which then engenders (ahem) a loss of sexual power in women. Worth a read in full, but here's the gist:

The idea that sex ratios alter sexual behavior is well-established. Analysis of demographic data from 117 countries has shown that when men outnumber women, women have the upper hand: Marriage rates rise and fewer children are born outside marriage. An oversupply of women, however, tends to lead to a more sexually permissive culture. The same holds true on college campuses. In the course of researching our book Premarital Sex in America, my co-author and I assessed the effects of campus sex ratios on women's sexual attitudes and behavior. We found that virginity is more common on those campuses where women comprise a smaller share of the student body, suggesting that they have the upper hand. By contrast, on campuses where women outnumber men, they are more negative about campus men, hold more negative views of their relationships, go on fewer dates, are less likely to have a boyfriend, and receive less commitment in exchange for sex.

A related thought I've had concerns feminists' religious doctrine that social restraints on sexual behavior is all caused by grubby, oppressive, vagina-shackling men. This doesn't make sense at all, and never has made sense, and is an unchallenged meme in the Grrls Rule, Boys Drool leftist feminist culture not because it makes a lick of sense but only because it hangs all the evils of the world on the Designated Sexual Villains in the feminist morality play. Men, of course.

If one accepts the hard-to-dispute premise that, between the sexes, women prefer a higher-sexual-cost regime in which men are supposed to "work for it," as it were, and men prefer a lower-sexual-cost regime in which their sexual needs can be gratified with almost no work whatsoever (compare and contrast female wish-fulfillment romcoms with male wish-fulfillment pornos, or even James Bond movies, actually), then of course it makes sense that women, rather than men, have a sound motive for increasing the sexual penalties for promiscuous sex whereas men have stronger motive for decreasing them.

Any feminist (from the leftist POV, I mean) examination of prostitution -- oh, I'm sorry, "sex worker labor-trade" or whatever we're supposed to call it -- begins (and usually ends, frankly) with the unexamined and unchallenged premise that it is men who wish to criminalize prostitution, dirty men who make prostitutes social pariahs, filthy men who make the term "whore" a hateful one used to keep sex-working labor-traders in their despised place at the bottom of the social heirarchy.

But men, of course, are the primary consumers of sex-work labor-trade. Whether straight or gay, the overwhelming rule is then men pay sex-workers for genital-labor. There is a niche market of prostitution for women, but it is such a tiny market it seizes the public imagination precisely because it is so rare.

The prominent male equivalent of a sex-working genital-trader for women is not in fact a paid prostitute -- that exists, but in vanishingly small numbers -- but a gigolo, who is primarily a consort, a romantic-type companion who doesn't get paid cash-on-the-barrelhead for sexual favors but rather receives gifts and upkeep for maintaining the illusion he's romantically interested in his sugar-momma. Only secondarily, if at all, is a gigolo a stud for hire.

Given this situation, which of the two sexes has a stronger interest in criminalizing prostitution? Which of the two sexes uses the services of prostitution -- is "helped" by the service, in their own minds -- and which of the two sexes is harmed by prostitution?

It seems to me that, rather obviously, it is women who have the strongest motivation to criminalize prostitution, to drive it away and underground, and to make the trade as socially-penalized as possible. It is women who are harmed by their men inflicting emotional distress on them by employing the services of a genital-trader, it is women who suffer second-hand venereal disease, it is women who see a share of the couple's collected wealth being diverted away, outside the couple, to pay for the upkeep of a prostitute.

That's not nothing, is it?

It is worth noting, I think, that the criminalization of prostitution occurred with the rise of women's rights and women's sufferage. Prostitution was famously legal in Victorian England, for example. (A libertarian English writer at NRO liked to quip that he was all in favor of re-imposing Victorian morality on society, given that prostitution, drugs, and guns were not only legal but barely restricted at all.)

This is not to make women the Bad Guys in new morality play -- women have perfectly reasonable and perfectly valid reasons for wishing to make prostitution (and, more importantly, soliciting the services of a prostitute) as rare and as socially unacceptable as possible.

But it is to suggest that left-leaning feminists are rather, what's the word?, silly in their determination to pin this alleged wrong on men.

Leftist feminists of the younger, sillier generation similarly attempt to claim that it is evil, controlling men who use the word whore to not merely brand actual prostitutes but to control the sexual expressions of everyday women. That is, they assert (and these extremely silly third-generation feminists seem to write about little else but this) feel that social disapproval of female promiscuity is almost entirely a male invention, because men, you see, want to keep women from having sex with other men, so we invent the usage of the word "whore" to describe a sexually-liberated woman and by infecting the culture with this disease of whore-branding, make sexually-promiscuous women feel badly about their sexual choices and force them to conform to a male, Christian-fundamentalist (of course) regime of female chastity.

To the extent that women participate in this oppressive regime of whore-deeming, it's only because a false conscience has been imposed upon them by male-dominated media. Women call other women "whores" not because women wish to wound other women (their sexual competition) but because men have hypnotized them to think this way.

To control their scary vaginas.

Once again, I ask: Does this postulate make a lick of sense? Again I ask: Between the two sexes, which of them sexually profits from a regime of low-cost, easily-obtained sex, and which of them is harmed by this regime?

Which of the two sexes would prefer (as a rule) a slower-evolving sexual relationship in the context of courtship, and therefore would have a good reason to brand their sexual competition "whores" for essentially breaking the rules and cheating and therefore attracting and keeping men (for a time, at least) by behaving promiscuously?

Women, I submit, are hurt by what can be thought of a Sexual Arms Race in which other women are willing to overlook the normal rules of courtship in order to rush to gratify a man's sexual urges. This leads to increased pressure on other women to behave, sexually, in a way they would prefer not to. And this, I submit, once again suggests that it is women, not men, have a stronger interest in propagating a social norm of sexual chastity and enforcing it by the tools of social disapproval -- calling women who seem to be gaming the system to their advantage "whores."

Again, there is nothing I think is wrong with this, and I don't think women are bad at all for this -- every social group evolves norms and methods of enforcement. Every guild attempts to hedge out the competition and promote guild-members.

But I do find it extraordinary silly that lefty feminists continue to insist that it is men, of all people, who workin' as hard as they can to keep women chaste. To keep women from having sex with them, in other words. To make women feel bad about the occasional one night stand so that men can't have the occasional one night stand.

Does this sound like men to you? Or does it sound like a fantasy farce of cartoon men, wearing the Black Hats of Insanely-Counterproductive Sexual Prohibition, concocted by a blame-shifting villain-needing sexual cult?

As has been noted many, many times (not that lefty feminists ever notice), we did in fact have a Sexual Revolution, and men won. And the strangest thing about this is that lefty feminists, while claiming (and falsely believing) themselves to be liberating women, have in fact been eagerly liberating men, liberating men from the need of offering any kind of satisfactory trade-in-kind to women for sexual favors.

In their strange inversion of reality, it's men who have the means, motive, and opportunity to increase the costs of obtaining sex and it's women, on the other hand, who have the strong interest in a promiscuity and commitment-free (or even dinner-date free) sex.

And men, who, in this role-reversed alternate reality feminists have concocted, desperately want women to keep their vaginas chaste, can only be "beaten" by giving it all away for free.

And of course keeping abortion not only legal but socially praiseworthy because, again in this comic-book "What If?" issue of reality feminists have concocted, men only want to have sex to produce children and women, of course, are far less game for procreation, viewing sex as primarily a vehicle for erotic gratification. But that's a dementia for another day.


Somewhat Related Note: I never really watched Melrose Place, but I was forced to witness it by proxy (it was a craze when I was younger, all but inescapable if you were dating a woman or, for that matter, a gay guy dating another gay guy).

But I was always struck by soap opera's go-to "What If?" comic-book premise. The clear pattern on Melrose Place was that most of the women, particularly the pro-active, heroic, popular characters, were all sexually liberated and very nearly sexually predatory, whereas men all pined for commitment and courtship and white picket fences and moped about when they couldn't have that.

This is wish-fulfillment; and there's nothing wrong with that. Popular entertainment is built of wish-fulfillment. And when each gender dreams of sex, it dreams that the other gender would behave as they would or they wish. Thus, in female wish-fulfillment, all the men are devoted and can only think of family and courtship and commitment, while in male wish-fulfillment (James Bond, any action movie, any porno) women are just as willing as the guys to have a bit of boning amidst the explosions.

Silly third-generation feminists watched Melrose Place and didn't realize it was fantasy inverted-world wish-fulfillment, but in fact was describing actual reality, or at least the way the world could be and should be, if dirty men weren't screwing everything up by insisting that Heather Loclear settle down and marry someone.

Posted by: Ace at 02:04 PM



Comments

1 this is a post on sex and there are no comments?

Posted by: kidney at February 26, 2011 02:14 PM (3j6OS)

2 hello...hello...hello...


yep empty

Posted by: kidney at February 26, 2011 02:15 PM (3j6OS)

3 Ace, you are my favorite philosopher of this generation. I love it when you crank out these 1000+ word posts.

Posted by: Mark in Spokane at February 26, 2011 02:16 PM (Nmyyl)

4 I saw the headline and came here to bitch thinking someone was trying to argue that buying sex is cheap. Cause it ain't, unless you like meth addicts.

I mean, that's what I've heard.

Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at February 26, 2011 02:16 PM (oDUHp)

5 But I do find it extraordinary silly that lefty feminists continue to insist that it is men, of all people, who workin' as hard as they can to keep women chaste.
They're right, in the case of my daughter's chastity.
Because I know how badly things go for promiscuous females.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 26, 2011 02:16 PM (A9YyI)

6 1
this is a post on sex and there are no comments?

Because there aren't accompanying pictures,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 02:17 PM (G/uDq)

7 Frankly, this can be extended to government regulation and nanny statism in general. The growth of government directly correlates to the growth of women's involvement in it.

Posted by: Rocks at February 26, 2011 02:17 PM (Q1lie)

8 When they're dead, they're just hookers!

Posted by: Sterling Archer at February 26, 2011 02:17 PM (DLxD/)

9 Where is this fire sale of which you speak? I love a bargain!

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at February 26, 2011 02:18 PM (sXUiz)

10 As an aside, if I ever own a race horse, its name is going to be Vagina Shackler.

Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at February 26, 2011 02:18 PM (oDUHp)

11 The Vagina Monologues:

"You smell somethin'?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 02:18 PM (ypWHs)

12 >> To control their scary vaginas.

I had to stop reading here because I got askert.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 26, 2011 02:20 PM (Wh0W+)

13 Good post--if you want more of this, there's roissy's blog.

Posted by: MJH at February 26, 2011 02:20 PM (kBLec)

14 I'm with ya Ace. I always thought it crazy that the same women who wanted to outlaw prostitutes because sex 'should have an emotional connection' or 'women shouldn't be treated like that' are the same f*ckin' women that supported abortion.


Another point that goes along with yours: If a man cheats, the chick is the whore, not the man. Now ain't that some shit?!


Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:21 PM (penCf)

15 I never really watched Melrose Place, but I was forced to witness
it by proxy (it was a craze when I was younger, all but inescapable if
you were dating a woman or, for that matter, a gay guy dating another
gay guy).



What are you trying to tell us Ace?......ducks and runs for cover

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:22 PM (penCf)

16 >>>But I do find it extraordinary silly that lefty feminists continue to insist that it is men, of all people, who workin' as hard as they can to keep women chaste.

Ah yes, being childless I forgot about that. You're quite right. However, restricting this to contemporaries (that is, men and women together of the same age in the same dating pool) it is the women who have the greater interest in promoting sexual chastity.

In addition, while you mention that you, a man, has an interest in the sexual chastity of your daughter, your wife would presumably have just as strong an interest and would not be telling your daughter on the sly to give the milk away for free.

Posted by: ace at February 26, 2011 02:22 PM (nj1bB)

17 I read that Slate article too, and I believe the author is pointed in the correct direction. But in the end it is all about instinct.
1. Men want women.
2. Women don't know what they want.
So men do what experience tells them makes them attractive to women. Remember, women have half the world's supply of money and all of the world's supply of pussy. And still they remain unsatisfied. The lot of them are cunts, excepting my mom, my wife and my daughter.

Posted by: dr kill at February 26, 2011 02:22 PM (le5qc)

18 I meant the above reply to Michael's comment about his daughter.

Posted by: ace at February 26, 2011 02:23 PM (nj1bB)

19 hahahah ...push the "humped one" down like the dirty dirty who... errrrrr humback she is. See what I did there?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at February 26, 2011 02:24 PM (08Pe8)

20
Imagine a world with women who acted like the d-bags on Sex & the City.

From my old-fashioned perspective, those women had no 'value.' They weren't special, if you know what I mean.

Why? Because, to me, they were just like men -- which I guess was the whole point to the show.

But a byproduct of women behaving like men is that the woman loses her value as a woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 02:24 PM (uFokq)

21 The Vagina Internal Monologues:

"Kratos? Never heard of him."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 02:24 PM (ypWHs)

22 Leave it to a leftest feminism crappy mag to totally miss the obvious.

Out of wedlock births sky-rocketed after LBJ's Great Society. It wasn't evil men or Playboy and the "sexual Revolution that started in 1954.

It was the fact that women could now make a living by having babies without a father legally living with them.

So it was evil libtards who have caused all the births.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2011 02:25 PM (M9Ie6)

23 21
The Vagina Internal Monologues:



"Kratos? Never heard of him."

I spent 9 long months chained up in that prison, defenseless and totally dependent on my captor for survival. I have no desire to ever return.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 02:26 PM (G/uDq)

24 First thing I thought of when I saw this thread was a recent letter to Dear Abby. A woman told about a conversation she had with her sister. This aunt said that her sister would read her daughters emails at night and by doing so discovered that the 14 year old daughter was giving BJ's to boys at school. Here's the kicker. Mommy was happy about it because her daughter was POPULAR.
Apparently the following never occurred to mommy:
1. 14 is a bit young to start out a career as a ho
2. STD's can be transferred via the mouth
3. How is this 14 year old going to deal with it, when she decides she's "in love" with some guy and he treats her like she is a gigantic nothing
4. Being popular in school isn't the most important thing in life
5. Buying acceptance with sex is creepy
6. If she does BJ's for affirmation, will she also do drugs for affirmation

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 26, 2011 02:27 PM (jS/Rl)

25 Face it--the culture is drenched in sex. Women are brought up to act accordingly.

Posted by: Burn the Apostrophers at February 26, 2011 02:27 PM (DLxD/)

26 Silly third-generation feminists watched Melrose Place and didn't
realize it was fantasy inverted-world wish-fulfillment, but in fact was
describing actual reality, or at least the way the world could be and
should be,

Slightly OT again but I think this same phenomenon occurs, or did for years, with blacks watching whites portrayed in tv shows. They really believed it. Finally the Huxtables came along and they realized "Wow! This is total bullshit." Or most anyway.

Posted by: Rocks at February 26, 2011 02:27 PM (Q1lie)

27 Costs don't matter bro - it's all drive and drilling I mean driving is what I do. I can't help it - I'm 24/7 baby *snaps fingers*
Even when I'm napping I'm like an F18 full thrust, canons blazing and when let go of my payload baby it's like a bunch of ground ordinance...... or something.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at February 26, 2011 02:28 PM (hempZ)

28 Close, but actually, men suffer the most. What Ace leaves out is that sluts don't screw everybody (i.e., Ewok-esque bloggers). Sluts screw the captains to sports, industry, entertainment, politics, etc.
What this means for most men is that they can't even get laid with a high investment because they just don't live up to the SATC Mr. Big alpha-dog. You end up with a Tiger Woods scenario where he has his wife and 20 goomahs. And some of those "whores" were more or less chaste in between sexy time with tiger.
Or on a less ostentatious level, look at the Duke Fuck list girl, she wasn't banging her lab partner or her LJBF study buddy. She went after hot jocks.
It was pointed out that for most of history only, say 20% of men actually got to procreate, with the institution of marriage and "values" it was upwards of 60%.
So, yeah, the lefty femmies are wrong, but let's not sugar coat how it hurts men as well.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 26, 2011 02:28 PM (Du09Y)

29 The Vagina Internal Monologues:
'Queef'.
'Did I just say that out loud!?'
'How embarassing...'
'Oh, silly me. I don't make a sound when that happens.'

Posted by: Millie's Cooze at February 26, 2011 02:28 PM (yp28f)

30 Secrets to a happy marriage can be found by giving both sides what they 'argue' for:

Twice a week have sex. The first time is just bacon-grease caused hot sex on the table. The second you make love on the living room floor.

BTW, any man tries to dirty my daughter when she is older, they will have to deal with Honey Beaver (momma honey badger or Sarah Palin)

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:29 PM (penCf)

31 There is an excellent essay on this, The Pussification Of The Western Male - The Other Side of Kim du Toit
www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/41/ that covers a lot, giving women an equal vote has caused all the PC crap today.

Posted by: chris edwards at February 26, 2011 02:29 PM (evfql)

32 Sorta interesting, but the ideas only work in the West somehow.

The vaj-shacklers in Saudi are the guys.

Posted by: flurmf at February 26, 2011 02:29 PM (dwQrD)

33 women used to be possed of the wisdom that monogamy was good for them personally and women as a whole. Our New Age Culture turns that on it's head.
the results are plain for all to see.

Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 26, 2011 02:29 PM (yCH89)

34 Getting laid is easy. There's enough women out there that place absolutely no value on their self-worth.

It's finding a woman that KNOWS she's worth waiting for that's difficult. But when you do, damn is it worth it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 02:30 PM (ypWHs)

35 Kratos, you crack me up!

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at February 26, 2011 02:31 PM (GkYyh)

36 To control their scary vaginas.
This is indeed a good idea.

Posted by: Dude from Gelgamek at February 26, 2011 02:31 PM (yp28f)

37 You think vaginas aren't scary ?

Posted by: Moochelle's husband at February 26, 2011 02:32 PM (jS/Rl)

38 #22 It was the fact that women could now make a living by having babies without a father legally living with them.

This type of living is not only socially-acceptable, it is also subsidized by the ever-expanding Sugar Daddy government.

And then people wonder why we have more single mothers and more babies born out of wedlock. If you subsidize something, you get more of it!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 02:32 PM (G/uDq)

39 And, momma, you raise a good point: why, it's almost as if the man's penis goes whither it wants, without any control on his part. Damn whores are like underground springs.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at February 26, 2011 02:32 PM (GkYyh)

40 It's okay, Moochelle's Husband, I'll comfort you.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at February 26, 2011 02:32 PM (jS/Rl)

41 Yeah, Ace, I wasn't taking issue with you. You nailed the subject perfectly in your write-up -- the kind ofessay you produce that reminds me of Paul Graham's more thoughtful pieces.
Just offering another angle. As a late-teen I wished to meet promiscuous females. Not many of my peers didn't. But Facebook has showed me how those females turned out, and I have a longer, different perspective now anyway.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 26, 2011 02:33 PM (A9YyI)

42 I'm not reading this damn long shit. I like tits.

Posted by: flapjackmaka at February 26, 2011 02:33 PM (c5RQr)

43 >>> 'How embarassing...'
'Oh, silly me. I don't make a sound when that happens.'
Posted by: Millie's Cooze at February 26, 2011 02:28 PM (yp28f)

Sup Millie! Hey did you get that script that I sent you for "Spelunkers in the Grass" ?
It's gonna be classic!
Call me!

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at February 26, 2011 02:33 PM (hempZ)

44 Men ARE dirthy, evil, and filthy. I know that because they never asked me out.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at February 26, 2011 02:34 PM (jS/Rl)

45 2. Women don't know what they want.

Sure we do. It's just that it changes a lot. I mean, we have hormones. It's not our fault. Sometimes we want girly-men, sometimes we want he-men.

And by "we" I mean crazy liberal women. There are some of us who consistently want he-men. LOL.

Posted by: shibumi at February 26, 2011 02:35 PM (OKZrE)

46

Hef and Bob Guccione were big backers of Women's Lib.

Enough said.

Posted by: toby928™ at February 26, 2011 02:36 PM (GTbGH)

47 I have it on good authority thatSeptuagenarian Librarians think Ewoks are sexxy!

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 02:36 PM (yp28f)

48
1977 -- Paradise by the Dashboard Light --
Stop right there!
I gotta know right now!
Before we go any further!
Do you love me?
Will you love me forever?
Do you need me?
Will you never leave me?
Will you make me so happy for the rest of my life?
Will you take me away and will you make me your wife?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 02:36 PM (uFokq)

49 43
I'm not reading this damn long shit. I like tits.

Don't say I've never given you anything.

Look at the Tits in this picture.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 02:37 PM (G/uDq)

50 Sometimes, bitches just use the word slut/whore out of jealousy.


I was a skinny, all-the guys-friend, beer drinking, good looking, chick in HS. I was never in the popular crowd, but I always hung out with all the guys. I hated the girls. They hated me.

When my daughter was born, my mom told me that she actually received a call from my Principle telling her that I was the 'High school slut' and that he was really worried about me. Mom, told me she didn't believe it, but I could tell she did.

The funny thing? I was a virgin until I was 23.


Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:37 PM (penCf)

51 Well said. You know, sometimes it's nice to be able to go out and chase girls every weekend, and sometimes I feel like I was born in the wrong decade, and would just like to settle down already, except every female I know is a bar-hopping SATC addict. That shit gets old and it wears on you, and I don't know how men or women do it long term.

Posted by: brak at February 26, 2011 02:37 PM (nIoiW)

52 Ace.

i'm sorry, but anyone who has thought about this stuff this much is not getting laid enough.

Put down the brain and starting using your junk, man....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 26, 2011 02:37 PM (NYW94)

53 There's a bit of dialogue in The Invention of Lying where Ricky Gervais asks Jennifer Garner if she's going to sleep with this other guy who is taking her out on a date.

She says yes, because if she doesn't put out quickly then he'll find some other woman who will.
But you know...in reality that doesn't actually tie a guy down, so well.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2011 02:38 PM (DbybK)

54 women used to use social pressure to make it undesireable to flaunt the monogamy axiom, but they have stopped.
on the other hand, men used to use social pressure to punish liars,cheaters and the lazy, but they have stopped.

both sides have some soul-searching to do.

Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 26, 2011 02:38 PM (yCH89)

55 Every time I go to the sexual marketplace I get handed a rain check.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:39 PM (Q6tnr)

56
Michael, being a father of two daughters myself (and three sons), I know exactly where you're coming from. Which is why my favorite movie line, evah, is Dan Hedaya's from Clueless, when he's talking to the boy who's taking Hedaya's daughter out on a date:

"Boy, if anything happens to my daughter, I have a .45 and shovel. No one would miss you."

Posted by: Brown Line at February 26, 2011 02:39 PM (YcLST)

57 My daughter is the prize, a treasure of inestimable value. To get to her, a man will have to crawl through broken glass, survive the Seven Deadly Challenges, return with the Snowflake of the Lake of Fire.

After that, he has to get past me.

The one who can do that...More importantly, the one who is willing to do that...He is the one who is worthy to have my daughter.

To that man, I will joyfully step aside. The rest shall be cut down like dogs.

Posted by: countrydoc at February 26, 2011 02:39 PM (Fwb9h)

58 Thoughtful and interesting post Ace.

One of the ironies of women-want-relationship/men-want-sex dynamic is that a married man gets sex on average 1.5 times per week, whereas the guys who won't commit, but are always on the prowl for a quickie, get a lot less.

Guys, trust me--settle down and marry, commit to the relationship--if you want a regular sex life.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at February 26, 2011 02:39 PM (kM3n4)

59 If words were sperm Ace, you'd be the male version of Octomom....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 26, 2011 02:40 PM (NYW94)

60 Charlie Sheen = (hempZ)?

Funny.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2011 02:41 PM (1fB+3)

61 I have to agree. Men prefer sluts to whores. Apparently the "feminists" think that is empowering. Although it crosses all demographics, the societal problem is easiest seen I think in the black community. The scientific nature described is reflected in the high amount of incarceration generally due to the "drug war". This expounds the ratio of women to men, and you see men with 13 children from 9 mothers stories. It can also be widely seen in Prime Ministers from Italy.

Short version: Cows. Not Needed. Milk. Free.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 26, 2011 02:41 PM (xdHzq)

62 I used to be a misogynist, but bitches hate that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 02:41 PM (ypWHs)

63 I agree with this article, yet it makes me wonder what the deal is the with Muslims and, for that matter, many other fundamentalist religions?

Why are THEY so geared toward sexual repression?

My sister has a friend who married a Jewish man (of some flavor). She now wears a wig daily and often sleeps in a different bed (and ALWAYS does so during her period). Muslim women are forced by their men to wear the hajib. Afganistani men prefer young boys for "fun" to women...

What's the deal? Where does this come from? I agree with your article Ace, but don't get where this counter strain of thought comes from.

Ideas?

Posted by: People's Front of Judea at February 26, 2011 02:41 PM (cYVS1)

64 Great post, Ace. I couldn't agree more with the whole thing. As previously pointed out, Roissy has a number of posts in a similar vein, but I feel like you've more acurately identified the precise cause/effect/consequences of the whole feminist agenda. That is, in your piece you're coming at it from a more philosophical/political viewpoint, and Roissy is usually approaching it from the perspective of how to take advantage of all these miserable, confused sluts.

Posted by: OSUsux at February 26, 2011 02:42 PM (tS5iQ)

65 Guys, trust me--settle down and marry, commit to the relationship--if you want a regular sex life.
This flies in the face of 100% of the advice I have received from anyone with a penis.
Granted, I'm not yet 40...but that's a lot of dudes.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 02:43 PM (jjYBf)

66 You have to give feminists credit for inventing the clitoris and have us search for it for what seems like forever.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2011 02:43 PM (1fB+3)

67 Haven't you guys ever received a picture message from a friend in the service that has a pic of a chick taking a pic of herself. It comes with her name, town and usually the rank of the military guy she cheated on and usually where he was/is stationed. With the plea to pass it on?

My nephew sends them to me all the time.

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:43 PM (penCf)

68 Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, Ace, very interesting. Phyllis Chesler, from Pajama's Media, caught a lot of hell for writing a book on this topic, Woman's Inhumanity to Woman, however, her theory is the more misogynistic the society, the more brutal women are towards each other. For instance, here in the US, a mother-in-law might give her daughter-in law the cold shoulder by forgetting to invite her to family functions, snide comments, or basic undermining, but in let's say....Pakistan, the mother-in-law would promptly drench her in kerosene and light her on fire. Perhaps even spread a rumor about her to get her stoned to death. Something to consider if you expand on this topic.

Posted by: Holly at February 26, 2011 02:43 PM (nqctR)

69 So how is that feminist experiment of advising women act identically to horn-dog men working out?

/Not well at all, to everyone's detriment.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 02:43 PM (G/uDq)

70 Another point that goes along with yours: If a man cheats, the chick is the whore, not the man. Now ain't that some shit?!

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:21 PM (penCf)

This is something that has always bugged me. Yes the chick is a whore. The man is a scumbag, a dick and an asshole. Yes men look up to guys that manage to get laid a lot. They don't look up to treating women like crap or cheating. King stud is not attempting to be exclusive. The women he's boning just think he will be, eventually.
Why does the whore label stick so much harder then? Women, women make it stick to attempt to cut down the competition. A funny example of this is Maggie in Caddyshack. She wastes no time at all running down Lacey Underalls as being such a big hole but sees nothing wrong with her afternoon boning sessions with Danny. Men could care less if she's a whore as long as she does all her whoring with him.

Posted by: Rocks at February 26, 2011 02:44 PM (Q1lie)

71 I used to be a misogynist, but bitches hate that.
Ha Ha I used to use that line all the time in college.

Posted by: Burn the Apostrophers at February 26, 2011 02:44 PM (DLxD/)

72 Commit
Don't run around all night
Don't be addicted to anything
Bathe
Brush yo teeth
Stay fit
Be nice
Be honest
Be brave
Learn to lick a 2x4 in half while playing piano upside down


Easy to have a happy life.




Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:44 PM (Q6tnr)

73
okay, the clitoris is not the only make-believe thing

the g-spot is the original make-believe thing on a woman

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 02:45 PM (uFokq)

74 Mommy was happy about it because her daughter was POPULAR. Apparently the following never occurred to mommy: 1. 14 is a bit young to start out a career as a ho 2. STD's can be transferred via the mouth 3. How is this 14 year old going to deal with it, when she decides she's "in love" with some guy and he treats her like she is a gigantic nothing 4. Being popular in school isn't the most important thing in life 5. Buying acceptance with sex is creepy 6. If she does BJ's for affirmation, will she also do drugs for affirmation
Posted by: nerdygirl
This. To the nth degree. I have two teenage sons. I see and hear a lot of things like this playing out.
What, me worry?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 26, 2011 02:45 PM (sJTmU)

75 The g-spot may be mythical, but I've gotten good reviews for searching frantically for it for half an hour or so.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:46 PM (Q6tnr)

76 Yes, Brown Line -- but not so much because a slutty/mistreated daughter would injure my pride. It's how her giving in would serve her badly.
That's what I didn't care about -- didn't even imagine -- as a teen or young adult. It was all about what I wanted.
Not many young men think differently, IMO, especially in our debased culture.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 26, 2011 02:46 PM (A9YyI)

77 I've located the g-spot, it's in my wallet.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2011 02:47 PM (1fB+3)

78 Dads, tell your little girls you love them. Sincerely and frequently. It works wonders.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 26, 2011 02:47 PM (KUuHv)

79 What is the effect of low-cost sammiches?

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2011 02:49 PM (pW2o8)

80 The g-spot may be mythical, but I've gotten good reviews for searching frantically for it for half an hour or so.


Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:46 PM (Q6tnr)

Maybe they are just excellent actresses . . .

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:49 PM (penCf)

81 I don't read this blog, but this is how it was explained to me.

A cool chick sleeps with me.
A whore sleeps with guys with more money than me.
A slut sleeps with everyone but me.
A bitch sleeps with my friends but not me.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:49 PM (Q6tnr)

82 in our culture as it currently exists a man would be crazy to marry and start a family - she's just going to get tired or bored of you, kick you out of your house, take your kids and the good car, and then to top it all off you get to pay her hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for this "justice"

no thank you!

Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 26, 2011 02:50 PM (yCH89)

83 Dads, tell your little girls you love them. Sincerely and frequently. It works wonders.
This.
If I know one thing, it's women with 'Daddy' issues are not women at all. They are just girls desperate for attention.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 02:50 PM (Xy1Zh)

84 The vaj-shacklers in Saudi are the guys.
I agree with this article, yet it makes me wonder what the deal is the
with Muslims and, for that matter, many other fundamentalist religions?Why are THEY so geared toward sexual repression?

I read an article one time on the "size" of men of various cultures or race, and the arabs were the smallest in the survey. Maybe they don't want the females there to have that knowledge.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 26, 2011 02:52 PM (xdHzq)

85 Interesting....so one man's whore, slut, or bitch, is another man's cool chick!

Posted by: Holly at February 26, 2011 02:53 PM (nqctR)

86 "Charlie Sheen may be without a paying TV gig now, but he has been a car salesman's dream lately when it comes to buying exotic cars for the porn stars and other women in his life. He bought four cars totalling almost $800,000."

Access says the latest purchases reportedly include:

* Bentley. This one went to a porn star girlfriend valued at $320,000 with taxes and title costs.

* Porsche. The Porsche Turbo worth $150,000 for another adult film actress.

* Mercedes-Benz. The stunning S63 AMG was bought for a "blond girlfriend." That's one pictured above. It cost $160,000 and was reportedly purchased from a Mercedes dealer in Valencia, Calif. Sheen's soon-to-be ex-wife, Brooke Mueller, got a Mercedes-Benz CL 600 for $160,000.

http://goo.gl/wjSnI

Posted by: moi at February 26, 2011 02:53 PM (Ez4Ql)

87 It was pointed out that for most of history only, say 20% of men
actually got to procreate, with the institution of marriage and
"values" it was upwards of 60%.

Depends on the "marriage and values." In the Muslim world, polygamy makes it closer to 20% than to 60%. It's better to be the fourth wife of a rich man than the only wife of a poor man, so it's harder for young men to get married (unless they've got a cousin in Britain whose parents want to get rid of her...).

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 26, 2011 02:53 PM (nAOMZ)

88 #81:

Who cares?

Women faking it only hurts women. Most men are more than willing to keep at it until we get it right.

Faking it is a sign of laziness and insecurity. If women are gonna fake it they might as well buy a back massager.

Speak up. The time for shyness has passed once you are having sex. If the guy is an inch to far to the right, tell him so. Moaning like a wounded horse and thrashing around when you aren't having any fun is just silly.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 02:53 PM (Q6tnr)

89 These purchase were all in the last month.

Posted by: moi at February 26, 2011 02:55 PM (Ez4Ql)

90 Interesting....so one man's whore, slut, or bitch, is another man's cool chick!
Indubitably!

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 02:55 PM (Xy1Zh)

91 Mormons believe in polygamy right? I bet Harry Reid has Helen Thomas in his basement.

Posted by: flapjackmaka at February 26, 2011 02:55 PM (c5RQr)

92 the g-spot is the original make-believe thing on a woman
Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 02:45 PM (uFokq)
On liberal womyn, the second one is the brain.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 26, 2011 02:57 PM (T6363)

93 Who cares?

Women faking it only hurts women. Most men are more than willing to keep at it until we get it right.

Faking it is a sign of laziness and insecurity. If women are gonna fake it they might as well buy a back massager.

Speak up. The time for shyness has passed once you are having sex. If the guy is an inch to far to the right, tell him so. Moaning like a wounded horse and thrashing around when you aren't having any fun is just silly.

Sifty, you have no idea what a woman goes through to protect the male ego. You should appreciate this with breath taken awe.

Posted by: Holly at February 26, 2011 02:57 PM (nqctR)

94 The worst are the ones you put on a pedestal and treat nicely, only to find out all they really wanted was laid, and some other guy figured that out before you did.

Posted by: Burn the Apostrophers at February 26, 2011 02:58 PM (DLxD/)

95 I'm not sure about the dads telling their daughters they love them thing being so critical, but raising your daughters to be independently-minded achievers works well. It's the pack mentality that gets kids (of both genders) in junior high and high school, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2011 02:58 PM (pW2o8)

96 I bet Harry Reid has Helen Thomas in his basement.

I doubt Helen expects as little as dinner before putting out.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 26, 2011 02:59 PM (nAOMZ)

97 I never said I faked it.

I'm right there with ya in the thinking.

I'm not going to work hard at faking it just so I can work hard at doing myself.

I'm just saying a lot of women think it is great to fake it. I always thought that it just guaranteed you crappy sex for the rest of your life.




Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 02:59 PM (penCf)

98 You should always be prepared to break things off with women who don't value themselves as much as you. Time wasted with such women would have been time better spent opening yourself to the possibility of true love.

And when you find her, it's obvious. Instead of prurient self-interest, you find yourself consumed with fear. Fear of screwing it up. Fear of falling into the same dickish behavior that ruined previous relationships. She'll be different. You'll love her and she'll be worthy of love.

And when you find that kind of beauty, you'll finally be free to express your love.

And by express, I mean blindfold yourself, spin around three times, and smash that vagina like it's packed full of candy and you're the birthday boy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 03:00 PM (ypWHs)

99 I remember as a teenager, my female friends would bring up the 'double standard" of men being revered for having sex partners, while women are sluts. I used to always turn this around on them. I was a virgin at the age of 18. If I was a woman, I'd be respected for that. As a man? Total loser.

The "battle between the sexes" has always historically been about power. The man who can get sex wins. The woman who can use her sexuality(not even sex, just her appearance and act) in pursuit of stability, wealth etc wins. Only in a monogamous relationship do you have something equitable.

This is what girls don't get. They are giving away something they can never get back in exchange for absolutely nothing. I used to see women as sex objects. Not that I degraded them at all, I just talked to them in...disrespectful terms. As an adult, I start to see how these girls turn out. They become an emotional succubus.

Actually, I wrote about this a few years ago in a book I tried to get published. I see a lot of young women who have dissociated sex from emotions. Yet, they still desire both. So, they have males who please their flesh. At the same time, they keep guy friends around as emotional dildos whenever they need compassion and companionship. It'd be much better for society if it was reintegrated. After all, the guy that is a great companion would have a chance to get laid again. haha

I'm probably typing too much, but I've thought this out a bit. I'm actually trying to date girls that haven't slept around, and even at my youth it's still hard.

Posted by: Crazee at February 26, 2011 03:01 PM (xsoRi)

100 I still can't wrap my mind around the concept of putting up with a woman 24 / 7for sex 1.5 times per week...that's a piss poor investment decision.

Posted by: Hash Shifter at February 26, 2011 03:01 PM (Xy1Zh)

101 Sifty, you have no idea what a woman goes through to protect the male ego. You should appreciate this with breath taken awe.
Posted by: Holly at February 26, 2011 02:57 PM (nqctR)


uh, no... lying is lying no matter what way you slice it, and it never helps, not really.

Posted by: Sgt. Batguano at February 26, 2011 03:01 PM (yCH89)

102 Dudes, sorry to put it this way, but this is just another symptom of US social decline. When the women are worthless, the whole thing needs to start over again.

Read Tom Wolfe's Charlotte Simmons.

Get foreign wives and raise your daughters in a nice backward country where people go to church.

Posted by: flurmf at February 26, 2011 03:01 PM (dwQrD)

103 Amen. Women who find themselves having to protect a man's ego on a regular basis have found themselves a weak man. Chances are he'll need validation from more than one woman.

Kinda like a Clinton thing.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:02 PM (Q6tnr)

104 Ace, are you projecting towards tonight's date, or did Friday night end up with you watching Melrose Place on some girls couch?

Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2011 03:02 PM (CPefM)

105 And were pancakes involved?

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:04 PM (Q6tnr)

106 And when you find her, it's obvious. Instead of prurient self-interest, you find yourself consumed with fear. Fear of screwing it up. Fear of falling into the same dickish behavior that ruined previous relationships. She'll be different. You'll love her and she'll be worthy of love. And when you find that kind of beauty, you'll finally be free to express your love.
Stop stealing my material.

Posted by: Soren Kierkegaard at February 26, 2011 03:04 PM (Xy1Zh)

107 You had me at "Let's bone before the pizza gets cold."

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:05 PM (Q6tnr)

108 When I was younger all my married friends would bitch about their hubbies and talk about how boring their sex life was.

My hubby and I laugh and joke all through sex.

I actually lost a friend because she thought I was whoring around on my hubby because I told her I loved my sex life. She really believed you were supposed to cheat if you wanted to enjoy sex when you are married.

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 03:06 PM (penCf)

109 Women?
Who needs them?
Besides. Vaginas are icky.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at February 26, 2011 03:06 PM (Xy1Zh)

110 So you want to go to my house eat pizza and f*ck?

What, you don't like pizza?

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 03:07 PM (penCf)

111 I understand if you don't wanna get dog hair on your club clothes. We can just bang in the shower. The dogs don't go in the shower.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:10 PM (Q6tnr)

112 I was a virgin at the age of 18. If I was a woman, I'd be respected for that.

Ah, but that's what the young contemporary 'feminists' have been trying to change--18-year-old girl virgins are now looked at askance. If you're not putting out, it's 'cause you're ugly or bitchy or somehow flawed.

I read a feature on teenage pregnancy in inner-city Milwaukee a couple years ago; one of the non-mother students interviewed reported that girls who reach 20 without a baby get ridiculed for "not being able to get with a man." Babies are this year's hot prom accessory.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 26, 2011 03:10 PM (nAOMZ)

113 When I was young, we women called such loose girls "fast" and "easy." The saying among my girlfriends was, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk free?" We shunned these girls; after all, they had a "reputation" and we did not want that term used on us.

Posted by: ExExZonie at February 26, 2011 03:11 PM (DRR4t)

114 Chances are he'll need validation from more than one woman.



Chances are...he's gay. If he can't 'feel' if a woman is faking it or not, then he has never really pleasured one. It's a muscle, boys....it really is supposed to contract when its happy.

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 03:12 PM (penCf)

115 111
So you want to go to my house eat pizza and f*ck?What, you don't like pizza?
I don't like pizza with everything.

Just the pizza, ma'am.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 03:13 PM (G/uDq)

116 In my high school, I believe the really slutty girls were called "Straight A students".

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:13 PM (Q6tnr)

117 Ace, you come to Rio. Spend one week at the termas.

It will blow yer mind.

Posted by: Rio Garota at February 26, 2011 03:13 PM (lj0/W)

118 If you're right Ace, then it's just a prisoner's dilemma: They all gain by holding out, but the first one to be easy gets a better choice, so they're all easy.

Posted by: Stan at February 26, 2011 03:13 PM (dSHKh)

119 Why does my vagina smell like fish?

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 03:14 PM (penCf)

120 Not to freak out the allahpundit types but the Catholic Church has been saying this all along. Pre-marital sex, abortion and even birth control (which I understand but still struggle with) cheapens the woman and makes her and her children more vunerable, destroys the family which is the basis for society and civilization. If you don't believe that look at what has happened to the black family once they were rewarded for not marrying.
What I find so scary now is that these girls are soooooo loose and so indescriminate that they are actually scaring the boys. The male mind hasn't evolved to handle the idea that his wife has slept with 40 other men--it still has the structure which would make that anathema--whose genes are those in you anyway?
My oldest son is so good looking that I've seen girls literally walk into things as they turn to watch him walk by. He stays pretty grossed out most of the time by their offering themselves up. They've taught him to disrespect them. Way to go feminazis.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:15 PM (IQ4iw)

121 One more thing. The women with actual power often do use sex to their advantage. They string along foolish men into giving them wealth, goods, attention etc. They aren't really hurting themselves too much. Well, they are. Just not in terms of selling sex cheaply. Their problem lies from shallowness and a failure to develop a real human connection.

It's the women that aren't top of the line that really suffer. They're not quite...stunning enough to control men and give away little. So, they jump right to the sex without keeping the guy in check first. They do anything to keep what little attention they can get, not aware of the fact that they are worth loving for more than performing a sex act. They're the most vulnerable to being hurt, though longterm...the obvious pain is probably more likely to cause a conversion and change in lifestyle.

I think the girls who are immature and give it up have a decent chance of recovery, if they find good love from a real guy. It's the girls that see sex as a commodity who really never recover, and lead other girls to emulate them.

Didn't C.S Lewis once say that you would know a society was sick if food was plentiful, and yet people went to a show to stare at food? He then pointed out that this is the problem with sex. People are hardly starved for sex, yet they will actively search for it everywhere. And this was in the 40's! Our culture is diseased.

Posted by: Crazee at February 26, 2011 03:15 PM (xsoRi)

122 #113 I read a feature on teenage pregnancy in inner-city Milwaukee a
couple years ago; one of the non-mother students interviewed reported
that girls who reach 20 without a baby get ridiculed for "not being able
to get with a man." Babies are this year's hot prom accessory.

Hollyweird views kids in the same manner.

I remember reading something in City Journal (I think) where Hispanic boys, amongst others, view getting a girl pregnant as a sign of "becoming a man".

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 03:16 PM (G/uDq)

123 So you want to go to my house eat pizza and f*ck?What, you don't like pizza?
I don't like pizza with everything.

Just the pizza, ma'am.


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 03:13 PM (G/uDq)

My hubby read that here a few years ago and said he's follow it up with, 'You might not like plain pizza, but lucky for you, I have one hell of a good dipping sauce'

Posted by: momma at February 26, 2011 03:16 PM (penCf)

124 In summary: supply and demand explains pretty much everything. You're welcome.

Posted by: pep at February 26, 2011 03:18 PM (P18+/)

125 "I read an article one time on the "size" of men of various cultures or race, and the arabs were the smallest in the survey. Maybe they don't want the females there to have that knowledge."

Okay, and we'll take you at your word that you learned this by "reading an article".

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 26, 2011 03:18 PM (jS/Rl)

126 I still can't wrap my mind around the concept of putting up with a woman 24 / 7for sex 1.5 times per week...that's a piss poor investment decision.

If she doesn't want sex everyday, you're doing something wrong.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:18 PM (IQ4iw)

127 I'm kinda pissed that fear of AIDS fucked up my high school years. Now girls are handing out BJ's and buttseks like candy hearts on Valentine's Day.

Freddy Mercury dying shut the pussy well down like Love Canal.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:20 PM (Q6tnr)

128 If she doesn't want sex everyday, you're doing something wrong.
What's there to do wrong?
One Button. No Joystick...
it's a pretty easy game.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 03:22 PM (Xy1Zh)

129 I think I will be switching to calzone.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 26, 2011 03:22 PM (T6363)

130 @ HeatherRadish:
Oddly, that's coming from other women. I'm still a young guy, and I know even my promiscous friends respect girls that don't sleep around. Guys generally see women as "Good for good time!" and "Wife material". The latter class consists of respectable women that control themselves.

I think it's young girls that have convinced each other, or been convinced by movies, that sex can lead to romance. Or, at the least, companionship. It never really works though, because they DON'T respect you.

I had sex with my fiance...well, like a million times. I respected her, we had a commitment. Random chicks that I used to make out with? Not so much.

You know, there should be a dating site dedicating to meeting girls that aren't skanks...

Posted by: Crazee at February 26, 2011 03:23 PM (xsoRi)

131 I'd have a lot more respect for women in general if they would quit sleeping with arab dictators and generally being sex slaves for anyone with money or a flashy car.


Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:25 PM (Q6tnr)

132 Mohammed Atta and his murderous boy band hung out with a bunch of strippers right before 9/11.

How in the fuck do those strippers sleep at night?

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:26 PM (Q6tnr)

133 Don't forget...if many schools, the teachers will fuck you too.

Posted by: Crazee at February 26, 2011 03:27 PM (xsoRi)

134 What's there to do wrong?
One Button. No Joystick...
it's a pretty easy game.
You have to warm up the game. The disc gets scratched if you play it cold.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:27 PM (IQ4iw)

135 In, damn it. Not if! Damn lazy typing.

Posted by: Crazee at February 26, 2011 03:28 PM (xsoRi)

136 and generally being sex slaves for anyone with money or a flashy car.
It's not the money. The money indicates success. Success indicates expertise. Expertise is manifest ability.
Women seek a man who is capable.

Posted by: Hash Shifter at February 26, 2011 03:28 PM (dtC1x)

137 Old Family Saying:

If you can't hit the back, at least beat the Hell out of the sides.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:28 PM (Q6tnr)

138 Okay, and we'll take you at your word that you learned this by "reading an article".
It was next to the pictures of those whores sluts empowered women without clothes.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 26, 2011 03:29 PM (xdHzq)

139 Nice post.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 26, 2011 03:29 PM (lXCHg)

140 You know, you're right!

Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:29 PM (lXCHg)

141 134
Don't forget...if many schools, the teachers will fuck you too.

And too many people think that's "cool". Young boys shouldn't have their first sexual encounter be from an obviously mentally-disturbed older woman tasked with their education.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 03:29 PM (G/uDq)

142 I've been wrong all along!

Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:30 PM (lXCHg)

143 My eyes have been opened!

Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:30 PM (lXCHg)

144 Capable like old Anna Nicole Simpson's husband. Or Malomar Gootaffy. Or Uday Hussein. Or Kim Jung Il

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:30 PM (Q6tnr)

145 Seeing through to the truth is what I'm all about.

Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:30 PM (lXCHg)

146 You have to warm up the game.
This isn't hard to do.
Attention, Flattery, Tiffany Blue, Chocolate...
hell if you have to you can even throw out a foot massage and sit through a stupid ass movie about someone's feelings.

Posted by: Hash Shifter at February 26, 2011 03:31 PM (dtC1x)

147 I think I'll change my ways now. And really care about women. Like I did when Bill Clinton and his bimbo eruption squad set women's rights back 15 years. I was all over that one.

Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:32 PM (lXCHg)

148 My eyes have been opened!
Posted by: Feminist at February 26, 2011 03:30 PM (lXCHg)
Careful Girlie.
That shit stings like a Thorny Nettle!

Posted by: Millie the Whore at February 26, 2011 03:33 PM (dtC1x)

149 yes, Ace, you're right

So what? How long has it been since Being Right mattered?

all it gets you is attacks from Kos and Huffpo and protesters outside your house

Posted by: gSantaRosaStan, whose Rip is no longer Torn at February 26, 2011 03:35 PM (UqKQV)

150 147 It's not even that hard.
"you look pretty" "I've been thinking about you (or later your x) all day" "what a great dinner" "you smell nice" "can I carry that for you" "I was thinking how lucky I am"
or the old standard "i just want to hold you, how does that feel"

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:35 PM (IQ4iw)

151 I'm sticking with dogs...

Posted by: backhoe at February 26, 2011 03:37 PM (0bk6W)

152 The prominent male equivalent of a sex-working genital-trader for women is not in fact a paid prostitute -- that exists, but in vanishingly small numbers -- but a gigolo, who is primarily a consort, a romantic-type companion who doesn't get paid cash-on-the-barrelhead for sexual favors but rather receives gifts and upkeep for maintaining the illusion he's romantically interested in his sugar-momma.

Hey, leave me outta this!

Posted by: John Kerry at February 26, 2011 03:38 PM (kehwB)

153 "Hyper-hypocrisy" oughtta be a word. And "vindieseling" or just "dieseling" (gerund to describe bad acting).

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 26, 2011 03:38 PM (lXCHg)

154 It goes along with the whole Sex The City thing, where everybody involved in writing scripting that show was a gay man, and the female characters were just stand-ins for them.

Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2011 03:39 PM (neKzn)

155 Someone mentioned above the disintegration of the black family; you're are now starting to see that in the white population. The rate of unmarried people is the highest it has every been, along with the continuing trend that people are getting married later and not having kids. Don't know about others, but the best time really is to get married young and have a real partnership. It's hard to convince someone to get married to a gal who has 20+ sex partners when she's past her mid 20s. Unless you really want children, it's better keep on dating but be free.

Posted by: MJH at February 26, 2011 03:40 PM (kBLec)

156 Women seek a man who is capable.
Money is power. Power is sexy in a male.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:40 PM (IQ4iw)

157
when Apple invents the iPoon, you girls are out of business

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 03:42 PM (uFokq)

158 156 They aren't getting married because they don't have to for sex. They don't even have to for children. The whole thing is breaking down and now we are legislating the breakdown. The family society civilization.
We're going to have nothing but loosely affiliated pain groups: gays, single mothers, etc.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:44 PM (IQ4iw)

159 Mr. Ed was not a Zebra... just look at the photos... it's a horse of course.

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at February 26, 2011 03:48 PM (QSXl6)

160 There you are. I've been looking for you.

Posted by: Henry at February 26, 2011 03:50 PM (+yLk4)

161 It's the women that aren't top of the line that really suffer. They're
not quite...stunning enough to control men and give away little.
While I agree with this in theory, I just want to say that as a woman who is far from stunning, I did not jump into sex, nor did I have any trouble keeping any of the guys I dated in check.
All the guys I dated were respectful of the fact that I wasn't giving it up til I was good and ready; one guy did break up with me over it, but I broke it off with the others once I knew the guy was not for me. And I didn't string 'em along, trying to get anything out of them, either, which I think is disgusting.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 03:51 PM (BebB7)

162 A key that opens many locks is a master key.
A lock that's opened by many keys is a shitty lock.

Posted by: The Q at February 26, 2011 03:52 PM (MYuEC)

163 Women seek a man who is capable.
Money is power. Power is sexy in a male.
Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 03:40 PM (IQ4iw)

Damn newfangled gadgets.

Posted by: Henry at February 26, 2011 03:53 PM (+yLk4)

164 158 when Apple invents the iPoon, you girls are out of business
Exit question: How soonfrom now?

Posted by: JehovahPundit at February 26, 2011 03:53 PM (MYuEC)

165 Posted by: The Q at February 26, 2011 03:52 PM (MYuEC)
Nice.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2011 03:54 PM (dtC1x)

166 And then there is tequila.

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 03:56 PM (Q6tnr)

167 BTW, just scanning one of the old threads that was linked here a day ago and thought this might fit here:
Getting sex from a wife is easy. It's getting sex from your own wife that's difficult. Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 22, 2009 05:26 PM (ZPwZl)

Posted by: The Q at February 26, 2011 03:56 PM (MYuEC)

168 3 Ace, you are my favorite philosopher of this generation. I love it when you crank out these 1000+ word posts.

Careful: Hefner cranked out turgid "Playboy Philosophy" manifestos for months on end in an attempt to give his mag intellectual heft.

It was those articles "the lads" said were the real reason they bought the mag.

Riiiiiight.

Maybe we need an "Ace Centerfold" .

Posted by: effinayright at February 26, 2011 03:56 PM (CfQ+e)

169 163
A key that opens many locks is a master key.
A lock that's opened by many keys is a shitty lock.
-------

Especially if it's the lock to the back door.

Posted by: effinayright at February 26, 2011 03:59 PM (CfQ+e)

170 While I agree with this in theory, I just want to say that as a woman who is far from stunning, I did not jump into sex, nor did I have any trouble keeping any of the guys I dated in check.

Is that leather I'm smelling?

Posted by: Gil Grissom at February 26, 2011 04:00 PM (+yLk4)

171
hatch blower!!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 04:01 PM (uFokq)

172 I two or threeguys I wasn't even dating but were in the same frat as my (current) hubby and who I knew well, propose just because they knew i didn't put out. Or because I have big boobs. But I think it was the first. Looking back, one of them is a fucking multi millionaire and has never married. Oh well.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:01 PM (IQ4iw)

173 170 LOL LOL

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:02 PM (IQ4iw)

174 My college had more men than women, and while the numbers advantaged the chicks, it was still a guy culture with endless drunken hookups and no freakin' wooing.

Posted by: Abe Froman at February 26, 2011 04:04 PM (uZJOg)

175
oops, you're the CSI guy

not Virgil Grissom

nevermind

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 26, 2011 04:05 PM (uFokq)

176 MEN invented marriage...it is a male thing. Women are like vapor, they'll go along. To the point that they'll distort there bodies, i.e. the Chinese women for centuries, curling their toes in to wear ridiculously small shoes. Today, we have the breast implants. Very, often given as a high school graduation present. Men go bananas over this. Won't even look at face, but look at those honkers! O.K. women sell short, BUT WE RULE.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:06 PM (2fc1M)

177 flapjackma: I bet Harry Reid has Helen Thomas in his basement.
OW! You made my brain scream.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at February 26, 2011 04:08 PM (GkYyh)

178 Today, we have the breast implants. Very, often given as a high school graduation present. Men go bananas over this. Won't even look at face, but look at those honkers! O.K. women sell short, BUT WE RULE.
Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:06 PM (2fc1M)

Don't need em' when they're young and perky. It's when they get old and saggy that they're a must.

Posted by: Old Horny Sage at February 26, 2011 04:10 PM (+yLk4)

179 Where I part company with your analysis is here: a man may be highly motivated to fill the world with women who are willing to have casual with him, while at the same time being highly motivated to demean and punish women who are willing to have sex with anyone else.

Posted by: Texan99 at February 26, 2011 04:10 PM (GxnNk)

180 180 a man may be highly motivated to fill the world with women who are willing to have casual with him, while at the same time being highly motivated to demean and punish women who are willing to have sex with anyone else.
That's called polygamy, and that probably answers what some other commentors asked about why the Islamic worldis reversed.

Posted by: The Q at February 26, 2011 04:13 PM (MYuEC)

181 179

That's what I've learned. They tend to sag and droop very early. The only resolution is to make them bigger!! I don't know, cause I've not done the deed, but many of my female friends have stated that there is a loss of feeling....they poke at their new found breasts, laugh at the numbness, but then discount the whole matter because the "men" find them extremely erotic.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:16 PM (2fc1M)

182 propose just because they knew i didn't put out.

I believe it. I didn't get actual proposals, but plenty of guys mentioned to me after the fact that it had been a reason they asked me out to start with. Big boobs help, but they don't seal the deal!

endless drunken hookups and no freakin' wooing.

This. I must have the wooing. How in the heck do I know if I even like you enough to want your tongue in my mouth, let alone anything else, unless we go out for awhile? I may think you're the hottest thing on the planet, but what if you're an asshole? What of you don't open the door for me, and treat waiters like dirt? It takes awhile to learn these things.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 04:17 PM (BebB7)

183 Once had a girl come on to me by telling me, within the first 15 minutes of our date, that she hasn't had a gag reflex since junior high. I was so repulsed by that that I ended the date early and generally avoided her after that. I honestly think she thought I would find that alluring.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at February 26, 2011 04:17 PM (QcFbt)

184 180 a man may be highly motivated to fill the world with women who are willing to have casual with him, while at the same time being highly motivated to demean and punish women who are willing to have sex with anyone else.
From a purely genetic point of view this makes perfect sense. So not too far removed from the animals are we?
This makes women being so slutty a stupid decision--genetically she should be selecting for the guy who wants to hang around not the ones who fly by.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:25 PM (IQ4iw)

185 Our mother boiled it down to the old saying, "Why would a man buy a cow when he's getting the milk for free?"

Well, when you put it THAT way . . . .

Posted by: Beverly at February 26, 2011 04:26 PM (ulDVo)

186 I surmise that women are also now more likley to be physically, sexually, and emotionally abused by men than before the so-called sexual revolution. The agrregate effects of having more relationships withmore men, men being able toseperate women's utilityas sexual outlets from the whole person, and the fact that the community from which a man and woman arise has much less influence in mate choice and policing acceptable behavior of the sexes toward one another would lead one to this conclusion.Despite the media campaigns, it stands to reason thatthe new'liberated woman's'life of serial boyfriends ismore of an invitation toabuse than when a manhad to make a serious commitment in the eyes of his community to onewoman - for whose material welfare he was held responsible by the community at large andboth families.i.e. Sonnybeatingdown Carlo for giving Connie a black eye.
Of course, it is dogmatic in feminism that all men were secretmisogynist wife-beaters in the conformist 50s, epitomizing the worst era in human history. It's anecdotal, but in my experience the men and women who came of age during WWII and made lives in the 50s tended tobe together toold age anddeath and treat one anotherin a way that runs counter to the feminist dogma. My great aunts mourned their dead husbands for thirty years. Idoubt they would have done so for their jailers and tormentors.
Of course,feminismas a whole is reallythe plaything of financially privileged white women who have no experience of how the majority of people live. Only an elite class of women from certainkinds of families can realisticallypursue 'exciting' and 'empowering' careers asthe doctor, architect, lawyerormuseum curator. The Feminine Mystique, credited as the genesis of the 'second wave' of feminism, was written as a response to the author'sinterviews ofspoiled female graduates from Smith Collegewho wanted for nothing in any material sense but still felt 'unfulfilled.'
If, like me, you grew up in an urban white working class environment where a good job was an apprenticeship in one of the unionized trades orheavy factory work - where men made a living with their backs and hands - what is the correlative career path for women from the same class? There really isn't one, though the modern economy shaped in large part byleftist policies such as feminism and unchecked immigration has made it necessary for these women to work outside the home. Barmaid, waitress, childcare, andsecretarial and administrative work are the panoply of choices, and none are all that 'exciting' or'empowering.' Rather than opening up new possibilities to girls from these classes, feminismlargely deprived them ofthe "homemaker" choice available to their mothers and grandmothers. They were expelledfrom the homeintojobs of necessitywith male bosses, purportedly to get them out of the deleterious influence of a husband.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 26, 2011 04:26 PM (i0Iid)

187 Our father, who's a Southern gentleman who loves the ladies, had this to say. When I remarked to him that I'd noticed that the kids aren't dating and courting anymore, I added, "That's so bad for the girls."

Dad responded, "It's so bad for the boys, too. Bad for their character; bad for their hearts, bad for their souls."

Posted by: Beverly at February 26, 2011 04:29 PM (ulDVo)

188 I still thinkthat convincing women they had to work was a scam to collect more taxes while at the same time destroy the family.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:29 PM (IQ4iw)

189 Look. Here's the difference. Women DO LOVE SEX. Although men can't seem to get it out of their minds, women have adapted, and because of the lower sex impulse of females, we have devised a way to always keep the male aware of us.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:30 PM (2fc1M)

190 Excellent rant.

A few points.

The hippie moms that my sons date are shocked that their daughters suck dick, they never did for their x husband.

Thanks Bill Clinton.

The hippie moms have no problem with the hook up, but then wonder if they will ever see grandchildren and can not figure out why a boy that has seen who abusive the law is to fathers doesn't want to get married.

The hippie moms who never said no to their daughters are now shocked that they come home with STD and pregnant with a child of an unknown father.

Basically, Dr Spock was a fucking idiot and all these moms that have no religion, no morals and no grounding have fucked up their kids.

Did I mention the hippie mom is probably divorced because she want to be "independent" and is now looking at old age alone.

This is going to be ugly for these old lefty womyn, but they will go to labor rallies and confirm their worth. Maybe work for "The One"? Watch Rachel?


Posted by: Kemp at February 26, 2011 04:31 PM (JpFM9)

191 Dad responded, "It's so bad for the boys, too. Bad for their character; bad for their hearts, bad for their souls."
How sweet. Good for him.
My parents were in their 40s when I was born (a bonus) 12 years after the first batch. They were therefore of the WWII generation and not the next. Their values were solid and I had no doubt at all what dad thought of loose women. One little slip up and you might as well be a whore in Singapore. I'm grateful now that he was so clear.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:35 PM (IQ4iw)

192 "Ah yes, being childless I forgot about that."

There's your trouble. Too much sex philosophy is written by the childless. It's satisfying for one generation. After that, not so much. Things tend to go to shit.

Posted by: jeannie at February 26, 2011 04:37 PM (s2bT3)

193 Last night my wife and I watched Sunshine Cleaning, a movie about a single mom so desperate to make money for her kid's private school tuition that she starts a company to clean up blood and body parts from crime scenes and other places where people died. She gets into this at the suggestion of her longtime boyfriend, a cop married to one of her rivals from back in high school.

At one point, when her business suffers a fatal setback, she assesses her own skill set honestly:

"I'm good at getting men to want me. Not date me or marry me, but want me. And I'm good at cheering."

Posted by: stuiec at February 26, 2011 04:37 PM (JuWS+)

194 Double ugly and old. Donald Trump and Hugh Heifner.. Here, Helen Thomas has ghastly company in the looks department.....yet...these two goons always have beauties, ok, 30-40 years younger draped on each elbow. The riddle is: Who is the stupid one, male or female?

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:37 PM (2fc1M)

195
Out on the science newswires just this week:

The number of cases of oral and throat cancer due to cigarette smoking has been officially eclipsed by the number of cases of oral and throat cancer due to sexually acquired human papillomavirus infections.

Just sayin'.


Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2011 04:37 PM (aWrFJ)

196 Here is a typical conversation that I have with my very good looking teenage sons.
Who are you taking to homecoming?
I don't know yet.
Hey, she's cute.
She's a whore, mom.
How so?
She's blown half the football team, mom.
How lovely.
How about, Megan?
She's ok. I'll probably take her or Madeline.
They aren't whores?
Not yet. They're freshman. Give them time.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:40 PM (IQ4iw)

197 Women are tricksy.

When we were dating, after we had confessed our love to each other, but before I ever thought of proposing, we were walking along the lakefront holding hands and she told me, "You know, thirty years from now, I'd still be happy to be your girlfriend. That's how happy I am just to be with you."

I thought that was the most amazing thing I had ever heard and I knew I we'd be together forever. So I started shopping for an engagement ring to surprise her with.

Two years after we were married, it came back to me in a flash and I turned to her with a shocked expression and told her, "You were a fucking LIAR!"

Once I reminded her of her words, she laughed her ass off. "Yep. You're as stupid as you look."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 26, 2011 04:41 PM (1zgwP)

198 Jeff, I told my husband that I would be happy living in a tent as long as it was with him. I would live in a tent to stay with him but happy? Probably not.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:44 PM (IQ4iw)

199 Of course,feminism liberalism as a whole is reallythe plaything of financially
privileged white women people who have no experience of how the majority of
people live.

FIFY.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2011 04:47 PM (p05LM)

200 Bravo Ace.

Posted by: CattusMagnus at February 26, 2011 04:48 PM (884Q/)

201 Men are easy peasy. Just give them a pat on the head (not too often) and they are in their glory.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 04:49 PM (2fc1M)

202 189
I still thinkthat convincing women they had to work was a scam to collect more taxes while at the same time destroy the family.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:29 PM (IQ4iw)

Yep. Most of the stuff since the 60s has been about destroying the family. I refuse to believe it's just a coincidence that every single reform - easier divorce, welfare, liberation, etc - would quite logically lead to undermining marriage. They definitely did it on purpose, either out of jealousy over how they hated how happy some people were and how negatively that reflected on their own empty lives, or out of a desire to undermine traditional institutions to allow for new ones (the State) to grow.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 04:49 PM (PY4xx)

203 Here's an appropriately- themed City Journal piece:

“Nobody Gets Married Any More, Mister”

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 26, 2011 04:50 PM (G/uDq)

204 Adrian, that's why they want to force the gay marriage through so they can go about destroying the Church too. No institutions except the state, period. Orwell's Big Brother is going to look like a piker.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:51 PM (IQ4iw)

205 Well Duh. This is something Social conservatives have been trying to tell Libertarians for a long time.

You left out a couple of major factors in our society. Government subsidy of out of wedlock births, and Governmental overturning of laws that prohibited abortion.

Both of these things are attempts to deny the bad consequences that ordinarily come automatically with bad behavior. Both of these things skew society towards the worse.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 26, 2011 04:52 PM (/G5LI)

206 p.s. I have always only dated girls I knew were old-fashioned (cue Rita Hayworth song) but darned if it isn't getting harder and harder, because now even the ones who believe in traditional virtues are too afraid to show it because they are attacked and shunned by the feminists, so they have trained themselves not to act in ways that would signal them to be 'prudes.' I don't mean they start putting out, I just mean there's huge social pressure on them to go out with their girl pals ala SATC and go to clubs and so forth and at least pretend they're experienced even if they're not. Anyway, point is, used to be you could tell the good girls from the not-so-good ones, but it's getting harder and harder.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 04:55 PM (PY4xx)

207 or out of a desire to undermine traditional institutions to allow for new ones (the State) to grow.

That one.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 04:59 PM (+yLk4)

208 207 Sure. It has always been thus. I always hung out with the "wild" girls because they were the pretty ones and the fun ones. Didn't put out though because I was afraid of disappointing daddy. Don't know how you differentiate?

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:59 PM (IQ4iw)

209 Yep, Kratos, I remember that piece, very good.

I am mystified why something that seems so clear to us (how subsidizing single-motherhood led to skyrocketing single-motherhood and the destruction of the black family) is behind some kind of Dr. Who perception filter for liberals. Try telling one that, and they think you're nuts. They have literally never thought about it or noticed it. So weird.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:02 PM (PY4xx)

210 All I know in my limited experience is that the stereotype of the sex obsessed commitment phobic man is false. In every single instance of marital infidelity I know of it was the wife who cheated and the husband who was willing to forgive and take her back. Only to get left and divorced later. I spent 13 years without getting laid because I couldn't find a guy interested in a sex only relationship. And no, I 'm not that hideous. One guy actually told me he couldn't have sex with someone he didn't love and as much as he wanted to at the last minute he couldn't go through with it. When I finally did find a guy to fuck he turned out to be looking for a wife.

You men are hopeless romantics. Not all of you. The bad boys give you all a bad name, though. Women will cut your balls off, so watch out.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 26, 2011 05:04 PM (/f9MS)

211 Not to freak out the allahpundit types but the Catholic Church has been
saying this all along. Pre-marital sex, abortion and even birth control
(which I understand but still struggle with) cheapens the woman and
makes her and her children more vunerable, destroys the family which is
the basis for society and civilization.

Funny thing, Dagny, the pastor at our church has been on this topic for the past week - both at last Sunday's masses and at the Wednesday night continuing ed session. I'm wondering if Ace has been sneaking to mass...

Posted by: Alice H at February 26, 2011 05:05 PM (qJHYy)

212 212
Not to freak out the allahpundit types but the Catholic Church has been
saying this all along.

Yeah, Kathy Shaidle has a continuing series about this, sarcastically highlighting all the recent highfalutin' socioeconomic type research which shockingly uncovers that, hey, all those the things the nuns taught you in Catholic school were right.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:09 PM (PY4xx)

213 Not to go religious on anyone but supposedly revelation has given us the instructions on how to be happy in our humanity, in our lives. The "rules" aren't to make God happy but to make us happy in the long run. He knew what would make us happy because he created us. Or if you want a more historical and less faith based bent, 1000s of years of human experience came up with a formula that worked. As far a sex is concerned: marry and make a life together. Raise your children together. Grow old together. Both of you try to put the other first. How outlandish does that seem now? Contrary applications just cause pain though but the libs have done a fine job making the non-traditional view of sexuality look good to most.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:10 PM (IQ4iw)

214 189
I still thinkthat convincing women they had to work was a scam to collect more taxes while at the same time destroy the family.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 04:29 PM (IQ4iw)
You nailed it right there- and also your view on the attacks on churches. Your son sounds like my son. He was shocked at he promiscuity of first year girls at college. He and his friends had steady girlfriends and didn't know how to handle one night stands. I suspect he has learned that skill, now that he is a senior.I think you are my doppelganger in NOVA- I am in central VA.

Posted by: Museisluse at February 26, 2011 05:10 PM (u/Nbu)

215 207 Rita Hayworth sang??????????

Everyone wants to be beloved Beautiful women, quite early, become jaded, just because. Homely women, I've observed because I am the observer, are far more flirtatious, will put up with an enormous amount of abuse, and are quite "willing". I think there is an old, old song about this phenomenon.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 05:10 PM (2fc1M)

216 In these present times, from what I've observed, the number one reason many marriages are failing or have failed is not extramarital sex, but pr0n. It's one of the most addictive and destructivemediums out there now.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:10 PM (+yLk4)

217 the ones who believe in traditional virtues are too afraid to show it
because they are attacked and shunned by the feminists, so they have
trained themselves not to act in ways that would signal them to be
'prudes.

They need to grow a pair.

Maybe I was just used to being picked on because I grew up with lots of male cousins, or maybe because I got teased so much for being redheaded, but honestly, I think there is something about the way girls are being raised now that makes them awfully susceptible to peer pressure, to be thought of as popular, and that if you don't have a boyfriend or put out, you're some kind of freak.

I would have died a thousand deaths before getting myself in the position of having to tell my parents I was pregnant when I was in high school. ( Or even later, for that matter) I don't see girls being worried about that any more.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 05:11 PM (BebB7)

218 Homely women, I've observed because I am the observer, are far more
flirtatious, will put up with an enormous amount of abuse, and are quite
"willing".

Uh, not all of us.

Honestly, it's not about your looks, it's about your self esteem. You can be unattractive without lacking morals, trust me on this.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 05:14 PM (BebB7)

219 Hell, my husband is so not committment phobic, he's been eating the same baskin robbins ice cream cone for 30 years. I have to sneak his old underwear into the trash. He just got a new engine put in his car instead of getting a new one and got upset when I flipped the mattress because his "dent" was gone. I feel very secure.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:14 PM (IQ4iw)

220 See here, keep scrolling down:
http://tinyurl.com/47b8nxf

The least shocking one is the one about the girls with strict parents having few partners and being well-adjusted, and the one who grew up in an "open, loving home" with lots of sex education ended up having fifty partners and becoming a total emotional wreck.

It's almost like traditions exist for a reason!

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:14 PM (PY4xx)

221 Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:10 PM (+yLk4)

Yep. Women have gotten over the hilarity of the matter and are now making serious money.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 05:16 PM (2fc1M)

222 216
207 Rita Hayworth sang??????????

Yep!
http://tinyurl.com/chd4dr

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:16 PM (PY4xx)

223 219

As a general rule. I cannot tell you how many upteem times I've been in a room full of over-weight, not very pretty women...then some man walks through the door, they are all giggles and touchyness because it is a man. I am always at a loss.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 05:22 PM (2fc1M)

224 Rita Hayworth sang??????????

I think it was Rita Hayworth or some other famous actress during WWII, thatdrew out diagrams and instructions to try to get the military to us broadband communications.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:22 PM (+yLk4)

225 I think you are my doppelganger in NOVA- I am in central VA.
Heh. That's funny. We'll have to meet up in va beach over the summer!
I still don't know what to tell my 19 year old. He dated a nice beautiful girl who was 3 years younger for2 years of high school but didn't want to go to college attached because he didn't want to be in a position where he might cheat on her. They still talk, I think, everyday. He dated another girl, promptly got laid, fell half in love as men are wont to do with their first lay, and then she went to Portugal for senior week and promptly laid some brit who talked about it on facebook. Then he started college and found out that they were all sluts, many of them tatooed. His roommate will screw anything that walks by even "grenades" (fat ugly girls). He was interested in one girl who he was going to meet in his room after he walked a friend back to her dorm and when he got there his roommate was screwing her. He is very good looking but he's really down on the level of whoreishness. I don't know where he is going to find someone decent and I don't know what to tell him.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:22 PM (IQ4iw)

226 us = use

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:24 PM (+yLk4)

227 They need to grow a pair.

Maybe I was
just used to being picked on because I grew up with lots of male
cousins, or maybe because I got teased so much for being redheaded, but
honestly, I think there is something about the way girls are being
raised now that makes them awfully susceptible to peer pressure, to be
thought of as popular



Posted by: MissTammy


Girls, boys, everyone. That's why practically every single person I know is liberal, not because they're all idiots, but because they want to fit in with the culture - standing out, growing a pair, scares them stiff. Among my favorite movies is A Man for All Seasons, but I don't think people these days would get it any more.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:25 PM (PY4xx)

228 the problem with sexual entertainment is that they try at their best to make the women behave as men do. doesnt work that way, which is why i find porn to be utterly useless. you can see the same pattern in today's TV shows also, true blood etc..they try to role-reverse where the women seek out sex and one nighters, total baloney.

a woman could walk up to me and say "i want dick and i want it now!!" and id be checking for a lump between 'her' legs. its just not how they behave.

this isnt to say that women arent lustful, they just dont show it like us guys do. it always cracks me up when these new movies etc have a scene where women are giving sexual details lol ive overheard many of these little chats with the hens, and it makes me wonder wether the directors of these flicks have ever had a date in their life.

i think what i love most about females is their "cute-gene". it just seems to be in their DNA. no matter how old they are or mature, they have that....girliness to em lol

happy things like balloons or cute puppies make them smile from ear to ear.

they always decorate for holidays

some of them cry and get shaky during a tense football game

when theyre angry enough to fight its like they lose all control and just flail.

i swear to god they all love their beds. theyre so damn PROUD when they get their beds made up the way they want. its kinda hilarious.

but then again...see me in two wks and my opinion may change about em lol

Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:26 PM (Hznyf)

229 Technology is another thing that hurts women, (not all but an ever growing number), particularly cell phones, texting, social networking, - all of those things that facilitate the, shall-I-say, darker side of female quirkiness.

I've had to shit-can 4 cell phones because I made the mistake of giving the number out to seemingly normal women who later on became friggin' first-order stalkers.

"Yes, my dear, why haven't I called you lately, and don't answer your calls, indeed."


Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2011 05:26 PM (/8mBu)

230 Heh. In the miniseries "the tudors", the archbishop of canterbury says to Thomas Moore, "you're not a saint, Thomas".

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:27 PM (IQ4iw)

231 dagny, isn't it amazing, in the old days people in your son's position were peer pressured into being good, now they're peer pressured into being bad! With your son, it won't matter, I'm sure he had a great upbringing, but with most people, those on the fence, these things really matter.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:28 PM (PY4xx)

232 All self-described feminists I've met are average-to-homelylooking man-hatinggals who've turned to lesbianism out of frustration with men.Lesbians whocame out of the closet prior to college have little use or empathy for the fainting-couch histrionic obsessions of old-fashioned feminism. Feminism is all about controlling male behavior. Every word a feminist writes is a screed against men or women whoare happily involved with them.

Posted by: theCork at February 26, 2011 05:29 PM (RWrL3)

233 "I've had to shit-can 4 cell phones because I made the mistake of giving
the number out to seemingly normal women who later on became friggin'
first-order stalkers."

---they despise being ignored....

Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:29 PM (Hznyf)

234 "All self-described feminists I've met are average-to-homelylooking
man-hatinggals who've turned to lesbianism out of frustration with men."


---and gay men are either terrified or angry with females.

Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:30 PM (Hznyf)

235 Soona, I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but Heddy Lamar invented a frequency hopping thing that helped the war effort.

Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:30 PM (PY4xx)

236 He is very good looking but he's
really down on the level of whoreishness. I don't know where he is going
to find someone decent and I don't know what to tell him.


Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:22 PM (IQ4iw)
THe last two years, my son has ended up in strong relationships with a Japanese girl, and this year a Chinese American girl. Both were/are delightful, and one man women. The cultural values of these young women seem to be on the line of "the good old days".VA Beach would be fun- I have never been there [I am a transplant to VA]

Posted by: Museisluse at February 26, 2011 05:31 PM (u/Nbu)

237 It's funny that the boys will probably end up with the first girl who won't sleep with them.
I think men really do want someone to love them, really love them. Little boys do and I've never seen much difference in the bigger version.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:32 PM (IQ4iw)

238 My husband and I teach Natural Family Planning. One lovely benefit is meeting young couples who are really committed to each other.

The younger couples in our local team are awesome. It is so nice to spend time with them, as they are so loving and supportive of each other.

They all take their faith seriously ... might have something to do with it, eh?

Posted by: Trudy at February 26, 2011 05:33 PM (eYiwW)

239 In these present times, from what I've observed, the number one reason many marriages are failing or have failed is not extramarital sex, but pr0n. It's one of the most addictive and destructivemediums out there now.
Porn is designed to make the male viewer feel as if he is in some way a participant (hence why women stare at the camera constantly, and why so often the male performer's face is not seen for much of the film). It's no surprise then that men begin to favor the fantasy over the reality. Especially when a porn starlet is always willing, never sick, nevery tired from a long day at work, never on her period, doesn't gain weight, etc. There is no work involved.

Posted by: Alex at February 26, 2011 05:33 PM (J2ejK)

240 i think what i love most about females is their "cute-gene". it just seems to be in their DNA. no matter how old they are or mature, they have that....girliness to em lol

Yeah yeah. They're cute until the smile goes away, theyfrown and then say: "We have to talk". Immediately my mind goes ssshhhhhhhiiiiiiiit! It never, ever ended in my favor.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:33 PM (+yLk4)

241 229

Too true. As a woman, I have never, ever had a conversation with any female compadres that involved any sort of detail of their sex lives. Never. And, I'm talking extremely good-looking women, and smart.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 05:33 PM (2fc1M)

242 Oh, you would LOVE va beach. It's a conservative paradise. It's america with a beach. The DC libs avoid it because of the nasty military and the fact that Pat Robertson is rumored to live nearby.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:35 PM (IQ4iw)

243
Oh, you would LOVE va beach. It's a conservative paradise. It's america with a beach. The DC libs avoid it because of the nasty military and the fact that Pat Robertson is rumored to live nearby.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:35 PM (IQ4iw)
Perfect.

Posted by: Museisluse at February 26, 2011 05:36 PM (u/Nbu)

244 Soona, I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but Heddy Lamar invented a frequency hopping thing that helped the war effort.
Posted by: Adrian at February 26, 2011 05:30 PM (PY4xx)

She's probably who I was thinking about. It was a long time agowhen I saw it.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:38 PM (+yLk4)

245 242 Me neither. The one conversation I did have with my very (more than one guy a night) slutty roommate about sex went something like: Her: can I ask you a question? yea Her: when a guy ejaculates is it over and how do I know if I've had an orgasm?
Me: yes and you haven't if you don't know.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:40 PM (IQ4iw)

246 Oh, you would LOVE va beach."

---west virginia/virginia= BEAUTIFUL women.


Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:41 PM (Hznyf)

247 happy things like balloons flowers or cute puppies make them smile from ear to ear. they always decorate for holidayssome of them cry and get shaky during a tense football game no-hitters/perfect gamei
swear to god they all love their beds. theyre so damn PROUD when they
get their beds made up the way they want. its kinda hilarious.

Guilty as charged

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 05:42 PM (BebB7)

248 We have to talk
I say this to my husband and sons, wait for the reaction, then laugh like hell. Works every.single.time.
so does: "Do what you want." They know it's a threat not permission.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 05:42 PM (IQ4iw)

249 another irritating movie that came out was "chasing amy".

there's a line in the movie where the overly-annoying lesbian girls says "I used the two guys during sex as an experiment!"

i couldnt take it anymore and i turned the movie off.

kevin smith must have been a virgin when he wrote that crap.

Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:44 PM (Hznyf)

250 ---west virginia/virginia= BEAUTIFUL women.




Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 05:41 PM (Hznyf)
Heh- that is why we moved here. I have gorgeous 21 year old daughters, this seemed the perfect place for their teenage years.

Posted by: Museisluse at February 26, 2011 05:44 PM (u/Nbu)

251 Oh, you would LOVE va beach."---west virginia/virginia= BEAUTIFUL women.
It's one of the things I laugh about when I see tv shows that seem to center around places like South Beach. They depict it as all young, beautiful people patronizing the area. They don't show the daily invasion of all the old farts and fartettes.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 05:48 PM (+yLk4)

252 246 Too, too funny
Men in Hollywood write the scripts. Sometimes you'll see a female producer/and or, screenwriter. And inevitably, they'll do the puppy-dog dance, going along with the "male fantasy" of what women do, think, act, talk,etc.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 05:56 PM (2fc1M)

253 I guess according to lefty feminists, all men are self cock blockers.


Posted by: Jack at February 26, 2011 06:02 PM (kCT7A)

254 The last time I even went out on a date was over 10 years ago.

Posted by: Jack at February 26, 2011 06:05 PM (kCT7A)

255 My husband always said that when we were entered a group of people, women checked me out, like 6/1. We thought this was amusing. But, come to think about it, men should get a load of women, and how they behave in a public bathroom mirror, or any mirror.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 06:05 PM (2fc1M)

256 Dagny, do you have a twitter account? I follow rd brewer4- the terrier kissing the frog.

Posted by: Museisluse at February 26, 2011 06:05 PM (u/Nbu)

257 another irritating movie that came out was "chasing amy".
After seeing this piece-of-crap movie, I developed a new category of popular culture that I call "Xing Y." It's an almost perfect giveaway -- two words in the title, the first one ends in -ing.
Xing Y books and movies are crap and for chicks anyway. It doesn't even matter if the first word is a gerund or a participle. I'm sure Vanishing Acts is just as awful as Being Erica and vice versa.

Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2011 06:13 PM (k3RPu)

258 257 Yeah. dukeblu85

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 06:15 PM (IQ4iw)

259 My synopsis. Women look at women. Men look at women (with a gusto). Men: I hate to break this to you, but you are on the back-burner, as far as any interest. You can have outstanding pecs"and booty, but, unlike a comical commercial, women don't care, unless you cough up money, then you are the go-to guy.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 06:20 PM (2fc1M)

260 260 Really? I think most women want a guy.

Posted by: dagny at February 26, 2011 06:24 PM (IQ4iw)

261 246

Yes. It is both man/woman in the horse race. Unfortunately, women, who have always vacated their value, to adhere to a man's whims, who can make extremely good money, in doing do, also risk, the devalued dollar. but what the hay.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 06:33 PM (2fc1M)

262 Talk about employment. No one has. This is a joke. I have always been accepted by a male interviewer, and never, in my life, have been a contender when it was female. Never.

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 06:37 PM (2fc1M)

263 I think there's a bit more going on than this. As usual the lefty feminists have taken a kernel of truth and tried to pop a truckload of popcorn with, but there's more to it than just this. Your premises is obviously correct, that it's high-cost for women to sleep around and it's the exact thing men want, but people don't always act/talk as though they want what they want; also people frequently do not want what they want. Here's what I mean: Men want to be able to have sex easily, but they continue to look down on women who put out easily. Hence "whore" as an insult--yes, it's nice and all when it benefits them, but in general it remains a bad thing to be and men a) believe it is a bad thing for a woman to be easy with a lot of men (that last part is key) and b) believe that women who are easy with a lot of men feel bad about themselves for it and so it's an easy, hurtful slam with some impact. I think they're right. There's also the man who gets it pretty easily from a woman, thinks he's a big stud, then finds out she puts out that easily to a bunch more men, men whom he believes are less than he on the food chain. Why, that <i>whore</i>.

That's what I mean when I say men don't want what they want. They want easy sex, sure, but they would secretly or not-secretly prefer a woman they sleep with want *them*, exclusively, or at least not give it away to people he thinks are <i>less than</i>. Because that diminishes him too.

So yes, I think men have an interest in using <i>whore</i> to promote certain attitudes about easy sex. And I'm trying to come up with a high-impact insult on the other side, but I'm having a hard time, because all the old movies led us to believe that a guy who was a really forward jerk, trying to get all his dates to give it up right away, and talking about them in the locker room, never suffered for dates even so--i.e. women couldn't just shoot back "libertine asshole near-rapist" and it have the same impact as "whore."

I don't know. I'm just formulating this to avoid writing a school appellate brief.

Posted by: Anwyn at February 26, 2011 06:38 PM (yMsZY)

264 229 Must have missed out on this "cute gene" thing -- no woman in my family (that I know of, and there are a lot of women) likes "cute"
Soap operas, most chick flicks, prissy decorations, "cute" cars, weekly shopping, "cute" shoes, "cute" clothes...blech, gack, barf.
The women in my family are into cars, shooty things, motorcycles, and doing outdoor activities that call for a certain amount of threat to life and limb; they don't do "cute" and if anybody suggested they did it might not end well.(all manner of baby crittersare cute though...and growing flowers and indoor plants is nice -- I like to think it's merely that the women in my family are willing to put a machete into somebody's guts to protect those)
Admittedly, this has led tosome problems with finding Mr. Right:/

Posted by: unknown jane at February 26, 2011 06:46 PM (5/yRG)

265 She is short. Way, way, way on the heavy side. Prances around on absurdly high style , high heels. Gets a waxing throughout her body. Makes it stick , Goddamn it? I[m in charge, why, we're ordering pizza for the pizzzed people who came through this past weekend, and actually "WORKED" Who, are you, again?????????

Posted by: observer at February 26, 2011 06:50 PM (2fc1M)

266
So, a 1000 word essay to say that liberal womyn can't follow a logical construct? yeah, that's what I'm taking away from this.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 26, 2011 06:52 PM (1hM1d)

267 264 I like "knuckle dragging #$ckstick" for the men you describe, and yes, it is a problem. Way I look at it: if you were pushing so hard with the "oh baby" to get some woman to give it up, telling her all manner of lies to get some...then you really shouldn't call her a whore for believing your line and falling for you...and then bitching about how women are cynical and jaded (you made them that way).
Same goes for guys who call women "bitches" when said women don't buy the line of bullshit and put out.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 26, 2011 07:11 PM (5/yRG)

268 Lauraw posted a quicky. Ace follows up with a marathon. I'm tied already.

Posted by: sTevo at February 26, 2011 07:11 PM (FzVlt)

269 I can only bang one at a time anyway so who cares about all that blather about too many or too few.Get a room already.

Posted by: Rich K at February 26, 2011 07:21 PM (X4l3T)

270 I'm still trying to figure out why the father of five knows trollish actor Dan Hedaya by name, but Alicia Silverstone at the height of her hotness is known only as Dan Hedaya's daughter.

Brown Line, you're married (I hope). Not dead.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at February 26, 2011 07:21 PM (xqhoO)

271 Obama is a dreamboat!!!!

Posted by: lack of reasoning, powered by CNN, MSMBC at February 26, 2011 07:31 PM (2fc1M)

272 Women, I submit, are hurt by what can be thought of a Sexual Arms Race
in which other women are willing to overlook the normal rules of
courtship in order to rush to gratify a man's sexual urges. This leads
to increased pressure on other women to behave, sexually, in a way they
would prefer not to.




See: why nice black women like Condi Rice, or even me, are not married.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 26, 2011 07:47 PM (T2/zQ)

273 It's well established that the biggest misogynists are other women:

http://tinyurl.com/4qm9ofx

Posted by: Matt at February 26, 2011 08:01 PM (O5DTm)

274 the biggest misogynists are other women

Women can be pretty nasty to each other, that's for darn sure....but when men are misogynistic, there is no comparison whatsoever.

I'd argue that women aren't misogynistic, per se, just jealous and competitive to the point of viciousness.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 26, 2011 08:27 PM (BebB7)

275 By contrast, on campuses where women outnumber men, they are more negative about campus men, hold more negative views of their relationships, go on fewer dates, are less likely to have a boyfriend, and receive less commitment in exchange for sex.
No mention of LUG?

Posted by: Javems at February 26, 2011 08:30 PM (kI3Wm)

276 "The women in my family are into cars, shooty things, motorcycles, and
doing outdoor activities that call for a certain amount of threat to
life and limb; they don't do "cute" and if anybody suggested they did it
might not end well."


---fuck that, i dont wanna date my drinking buddy. i want the cuteness, the silly giggling over dumb jokes, the sexy outfits when she goes to work etc.

no way i want a girl to work on my car or go hunting, but then, im old fashioned like that.


Posted by: str8 outta at February 26, 2011 08:55 PM (Hznyf)

277 Genius post, Ace.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at February 26, 2011 09:54 PM (KTRK5)

278 Thank you Ace for posting this. It's been a rather huge topic in my life the past 6 months. It's nice to hear I'm not crazy for sticking to my guns. You would not believe how many women are the ones who encourage me to use sex to get what I want and it's my male friends telling me that if I really want this guy's respect, shut things down on the sexual side.

For the record, I've been extremely upfront about the "no sex" with this guy. It's not like I've been leading this guy on... I just don't think he believed me. It was so outside of his experience. But he believes me now, and he treats me with more respect than any other woman in his life. And honestly, that worth me taking a few cold showers (well, let's say a few dozen...)

Posted by: Oil Field Trash at February 26, 2011 10:07 PM (dFsFO)

279 Fuck you, ace. That made me think and get angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Posted by: Bruce Banner at February 27, 2011 12:55 AM (Lx0HQ)

280 You should only sleep with men for 1. love 2. fun 3. money. Many women will sleep with men for all kinds of stupid reasons like 1. drunk 2. bored 3. lazy. If any of these last three apply, then you might as well charge. Who the fuck cares whether a man or a woman calls you a "whore" or disapproves? Young women should put it off as long as possible, though. If you're lucky enough to have escaped being molested unlike 1 out of 4 girls, then enjoy your childhood and take your time growing up. You'll find many of the boys who hit on you wait till well into their 30's to quit acting like a teenager, so there is no rush. You'll save yourself some headaches.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 27, 2011 01:34 AM (mHQ7T)

281 wow ace - you nailed it.
one of the bestest things I've read on the net in a long time
astute observations.
wish I could write like you

Posted by: Dinah Kanser at February 27, 2011 02:01 AM (qx+q9)

282 nice work.plz keep it away.happy new year.

Posted by: maplestory mesos at February 27, 2011 03:54 AM (YLorm)

283 Dude!

I would so totally do you!

(I think you are sweet!)

Just so long as it is meaningless groupie sex, mind you!

I've got my eye on this one guy, you see...

Posted by: Deety (Genghis is not blameless either) at February 27, 2011 07:32 AM (Jb3+B)

284 "For the record, I've been extremely upfront about the "no sex" with this guy. It's not like I've been leading this guy on... I just don't think he believed me. It was so outside of his experience. But he believes me now, and he treats me with more respect than any other woman in his life. And honestly, that worth me taking a few cold showers (well, let's say a few dozen...)"

Oil Field Trash, it sounds like the man you are dating has different value system than yours. If so, why are you dating him instead of a man who practices "no sex" before marriage and seek a woman who does the same?

Posted by: SpicyColdNoodle at February 27, 2011 09:21 AM (Y/R10)

285 277 And that is why it is a good thing that humans are delightfully varied and individualistic: my grandfathers, great grandfathers, father, and husband didn't/don't seem to care much for women who do "cute".
I don't think that qualifies them for not old fashioned, as they were/are pretty much traditionally minded men. They just did not see the allure of "cute" women...leaving cuteness for puppies, kitties, and small children.
What does become a problem is when the culture of cute women is being espoused by one side (the girlie worshipping feminazis) as well as the other (your comment says it all concerning a trend in conservative thinking which also idealizes girlishness as somehow traditional and the proper way for women to behave). It leaves no room for the individual life that doesn't subscribe to the party line; worse, it seeks to devalue and stereotype in an attempt to dehumanize (my mother was hardly my dad's drinking buddy...she just liked to work on cars and didn't like wearing fussy clothes).

Posted by: unknown jane at February 27, 2011 10:44 AM (5/yRG)

286 So, Ace, what you are reallysaying here is that you had a date Friday and didn't get anywhere.

Posted by: Penultimatum at February 27, 2011 10:46 AM (FGFdh)

287 Ace, the left-"feminism" push to make males and females fungible (by pressuring females to mimic adolescent male sexual nature) has a dimension you didn't note. Leftism is a cult and one of the characteristics of a cult is to destroy sexual exclusivity and pair-bonding among the followers.
The Left is all about making the most important partner in an individual's life Big Nanny Government, not spouse/family. What better way than to cripple an individual's ability to enter adulthood and form a committed relationship?

Posted by: darleen click at February 27, 2011 12:47 PM (jWqwx)

288 In related news Hookers are flocking to facebook.

Posted by: sTevo at February 27, 2011 04:45 PM (VMcEw)

289 If you really want some insight into what happened to marriage and the future of feminism....

http://www.singularity2050.com

the misandry bubble

Posted by: shiggz at February 27, 2011 04:49 PM (mLAWK)

290 The poor American Marxists had too large of a middle class and even an ambitious underclass to deal with,

They succeeded by adapting Marxist class anything and everything warfare. Race, gender, culture, sexual orientation, native language, etc.. warfare. Marx would be proud.

Posted by: shiggz at February 27, 2011 04:52 PM (mLAWK)

291 Darleen! Yes indeed. Supposedly, only when we are brides of the state, can we be truly free. That includes the fellas.

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Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat