Observations from Wisconsin, Donna V.

Commenter Donna V. put this report in comments last night. It's an encouraging look at the glaring lack of enthusiasm about the union protests among Wisconsin citizens--once you get away from the union thug organized soiree at the capitol. It appears that average folk who have to go to work and, say, make arrangements for their children while teachers are lying about being sick don't seem to be very supportive of protesters.

Today after work, I went grocery shopping and ran a few other errands near a busy intersection in Shorewood WI. Shorewood is a well-to-do, lily white and generally very liberal suburb of Milwaukee.

There was a small band of high school students, in obviously high spirits because of their extra long weekend, jumping around and waving signs saying “Support Worker Rights.” They were accompanied by a few older people, teachers I assume, holding similar signs.

This is what struck me: it was rush hour, plenty of cars were going past and during the course of 15 or 20 minutes or so, I didn’t hear one single honk of support from any passing cars. This is a ‘burb where there is no shortage of Volvos with Obama/Biden and “Co-Exist” bumper stickers. I remember the anti-war rallies during the Bush years. The honks and cheers of support and encouragement the “Bush = Hitler” protesters got were constant. “Walker = Hitler” doesn’t seem to be going over nearly as well.The silence of the rush hour crowd was very noticable.

I don’t blame the kids for being clueless because they are kids, but their elders are another matter. Did any of those bozos pause to consider that even a wussy Volvo-driving Obama voter, driving home after a long, hard work week, might have glanced at those signs and thought “Worker rights? Hey, I’m a worker too – been busting my butt all week. Had to scramble to find sitters for the kids today and it made me late for work. Nobody will stand on the corner waving signs if I get laid off, or take a pay cut. Screw these people.”

Some otherwise pretty apolitical friends were furious at having to take two days off to watch their kids. They’ve become big Scott Walker fans. Keep making friends and influencing people, lefties, it’s working so well!

Really, if pro-union protesters can't attract a bunch of cheering, honking libtard supporters in libtard Shorewood of all places, you know Walker's winning this one.

Posted by: rdbrewer at 06:36 PM



Comments

1
Unions suck. Nowadays.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 06:39 PM (/izg2)

2 If I were on a school board in WI, I would be on the hunt for folks who called in sick and then appeared on TV.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 06:41 PM (/izg2)

3 Nobody else is around? Maybe SiM has another dolphin story.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 06:42 PM (/izg2)

4 The videos of Doctors handing out slips makes me wonder if they have a "Busking License" or a "Peddling License" or perhaps a "Pushcart License".

I'm guessing... not.

Posted by: Al at February 19, 2011 06:42 PM (MzQOZ)

5 I believe that the majority of people who live in WI (non-public sector employees) do not support these shenanigans and that is exactly why the Union is all of a sudden offering "concessions".
Nothing makes someone more willing to negotiate than someone who's losing the battle.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 06:44 PM (ihSHD)

6 If I were on a school board in WI, I would be on the hunt for folks who called in sick and then appeared on TV.

Also, if I were on the medical license review board, I would be calling up those doctors to defend their licenses. They would all lose them if I was Queen of WI.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 06:45 PM (ihSHD)

7 >>The videos of Doctors handing out slips makes me wonder if they have a "Busking License" or a "Peddling License" or perhaps a "Pushcart License".<<
The slips are signed. Maybe soon no Wisconsin license.

Posted by: DougS at February 19, 2011 06:46 PM (oPvDu)

8 Old state motto: Wisconsin: Land of Lakes
New state motto: Wisconsin Land O' Flakes

All these teachers who couldn't be bothered to come to work last week and possibly this week should be canned.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 06:47 PM (ihSHD)

9 45 pics of Badger jerkoffs enjoying themselves:

http://tiny.cc/lw7ti

Posted by: Pecos Bill at February 19, 2011 06:47 PM (j84s0)

10 The Union members don't get it.

They're not doing themselves any favors bitching about having to contribute to their medical insurance and pensions when their neighbors may not even have a job.

What's the unemployment rate in WI anyway - anyone know?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 06:47 PM (sANrs)

11 Nice report, Donna V.

Go on down. Go on down, get in the middle of that crowd. Go on down, talk to some people. Go on down there, get some more news. For the team, you understand.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 06:47 PM (r+kGG)

12 All these teachers who couldn't be bothered to come to work last week and possibly this week should be canned caned.

Singapore-style.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 19, 2011 06:48 PM (nnN0n)

13

Normal
0




Well, it's late and they’re
waiting

And I know I should go back to schoolBut ev'ry time I start to
leave

They call another union vote, yes, they do



Somebody'll write another sign

And with every union goons are free

What made Milwaukee famous

Has made a fool out of me


Posted by: Jerry Lee NEA at February 19, 2011 06:49 PM (M9Ie6)

14 This is huge. MFM/empty suit administration has been in an orgasmic haze about the people in the middle east rising up for self-determination. The voters of Wisconsin voted, exercised their own right to determine their future, and now these F'rs want to obstruct?

It seems like Toto is pulling the drape away, revealing that the omnipotent wizard is just a geek pulling a fast one.

Posted by: shecky at February 19, 2011 06:50 PM (DJBHO)

15 Bring me a bucket.

Posted by: Wisconsin Teachers Union at February 19, 2011 06:50 PM (jpUgO)

16 What's the unemployment rate in WI anyway - anyone know?


Posted by: laceyunderalls

7.5% as of Dec 2010.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 19, 2011 06:50 PM (S59+B)

17 The really dumb part of this move by the teacher's unions is the days of teacher's being considered overworked and underpaid are long gone. There is virtually no community in the country where teachers are not some of the better paid jobs available. Starting out it may be crappy but the pay advances quickly, especially if you made the Teacher's Haj to the university to get the Masters in Education which isn't remotely required to teach or even make you a better teacher.

In most town the Education budget is fully half the tax collected, at least. Budgets are being cut and the money has to come from somewhere but Teacher's Unions think they are doing a lot by paying an extra 2% towards their health care that went up 18% last year. Half the money is going to them and when there has to be cuts they go ballistic. It's insane. The cost of education in this country is totally out of control.

Posted by: Rocks at February 19, 2011 06:52 PM (th0op)

18 That's the way we do reporting here at AoSHQ. It's an improvement on the HuffPo model. And, hey, look, Ace gets fully 1/12 the unique views HuffPo does. But his staff is, like, 1/600th that of HuffPo's. And way less overhead too: beer, macaroni cheese, and cable.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 06:53 PM (r+kGG)

19 I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I see this thing going south for Walker and Republicans. A majority of people is soft on unions. Any unions.

It will go on for quite a while before reaching a resolution, and what form that will take, no one can say. I predict a compromise no one is happy with.

And the L will beat up the R over the whole thing. Walker and crowd will be painted black.


Posted by: I-wuz-too-hip-now-I'm-just-cynical at February 19, 2011 06:53 PM (4sQwu)

20 DEms: If you like this PR, thank a teacher.

Posted by: fluffy, teachers haters local 101 at February 19, 2011 06:53 PM (4Kl5M)

21 Jackson just put the last nail in the leftists coffin. You couldn't ask for more negative PR IMO.

Posted by: Barbarian at February 19, 2011 06:53 PM (EL+OC)

22 I'm thinking with that unemployment rate, there are probably plenty of unemployed teachers who would be happy to work without any contract at all.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 06:54 PM (OKZrE)

23
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I see this thing going south for Walker
and Republicans. A majority of people is soft on unions. Any unions.

Not a chance.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 06:55 PM (M9Ie6)

24 As a native Cheesehead, it is my sacred duty to point out that it is Minnesota that is the Land of Lakes, not Wisconsin. Close... Wisconsin's motto is "Forward." Some jokes kinda write themselves, no?

Posted by: kqb29 at February 19, 2011 06:55 PM (oRb26)

25 I thought Wisconsin's motto is "We Cut the Cheese".

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 19, 2011 06:57 PM (nnN0n)

26 7.5 ain't bad all things considered. Esp. considering the hell their neighbor is currently going through.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 06:57 PM (sANrs)

27 Also, if I were on the medical license review
board, I would be calling up those doctors to defend their licenses.
They would all lose them if I was Queen of WI.



Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 06:45 PM (ihSHD)

runningrn for Queen of Wisconsin!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:57 PM (UOM48)

28 That Donna must be Some Girl.

Posted by: sTevo at February 19, 2011 06:58 PM (VMcEw)

29 Note under headline about goons in WI

Protesters reportedly handed 'fake' sick notes by alleged doctors to
continue participation in massive demonstration over Wisconsin's
controversial anti-union bill that has paralyzed the state.

This is on Fox's own site. Fox where they have a video of a Fox producer babe getting one of the fake sick excuses from one of the goon doctors.

But it is only "reportedly" and "alleged" in the text.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 06:58 PM (M9Ie6)

30 Iowahawk tweets:
Madison fraudulent sick slip MD licence # linked with UW faculty http://bit.ly/fm8dTo who really loves him some Cuba http://bit.ly/hcfGIF

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 06:58 PM (XW2az)

31 I don't know anyone who supports public-employee unions except their own members. Opposing them could be a huge winner for the GOP and, more importantly, it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: Bugler at February 19, 2011 06:59 PM (VXBR1)

32 Looking forward to hearing from HeatherRadish.

And Jim Hoft has pics up at Gateway of himself, Breitbart, and Brad Thor in Rockford, IL hunting for the Dem Fleebaggers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 07:00 PM (UOM48)

33 Protesters reportedly handed 'fake' sick notes by alleged doctors to
continue participation in massive demonstration over Wisconsin's
controversial anti-union bill that has paralyzed the state.

Well...if true, that should be ample cause for termination.

Posted by: zombie Ronald Reagan at February 19, 2011 07:01 PM (/izg2)

34 -Occupation?
-Oh, A Bullshit artist! Teacher!
-Did you Bullshit Teach Today?
-Did you Bullshit Teach Yesterday?

Posted by: Bea Arthur at February 19, 2011 07:01 PM (9Wa3L)

35 My uber-liberal, Obama-loving sister-in-law is the president of her local school committee in a small, very liberalsuburb ofa big East Coast city. The last time I visited her and talked to her about her work with the schools, she mostly bitched about the teacher's union and what a pain in the ass it is. Her husband is volunteering as finance committee chairman, and he said the whole town's budget is in danger because of lavish union contracts over many years. This little town has 30 firefighters, all on salary with 100% paid pensions and health care. Their property taxes are already very high and people are starting to leave for lower-tax suburbs.
If people like this are starting to see the light, the public employee unions' days are numbered.

Posted by: rockmom at February 19, 2011 07:01 PM (w/gVZ)

36 Looking forward to hearing from HeatherRadish.

You and me both!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 07:02 PM (sANrs)

37 Do'h, I'm dying to see Breitbart find one of those senators.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 07:02 PM (r+kGG)

38 OK, so here's the thing. Democrats and the MFMkeep telling us repeatedly ad nauseum, how fabulous Government is. They constantly browbeat us abouthow all things can only be done well by the entity that is the Government and how we poor schlubs need to be protected from ourselves, evil corporations, and everything else by The Government. So ifwhat they claim is true, then why are public sector unions even necessary? If Big Government is a greatforce for good and benevolence, aren't Unions completely superfluous? Who's going to be a better employer than the wonderful all knowing, all caring, all loving Gubamint? The Government always claims to have people's best interests at heart and to care more about people than anything else, so why the need to be protected from them? Hypotards.
The dissonance and hypocrisy is just maddening!

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 07:02 PM (ihSHD)

39 The license number shown on Malkin's site is for Bernard F. Micke, MD University of WI faculty.
The Madison-Camaguey Sister City Association can no longer send several dozen Madisonians to Cuba, like the group did in recent years. That's because last autumn, President Bush tightened rules governing travel to and from Fidel Castro's communist island.
One exception to the embargo is humanitarian missions. Dr. Bernard Micke, a family doctor on Madison's west side, is working with a small group of area residents to bring medical relief to the country.
Micke, along with representatives of the group, Sharing Resources Worldwide, is collecting a trailer full of medical supplies, including wheelchairs, crutches and medical books. On Sept. 24, Micke and six others will depart from Miami, and an hour later, they will touch down in Camaguey. They will deliver the supplies and tour hospitals and clinics. They will return a week later.
"We had to find a way to still send the medical things we wanted to send, in a legal way," Micke said.
To do so, Micke established the Wisconsin Medical Project six months ago. The group recently received a two-year export license from the U.S. Department of Commerce.
"Our hope is over the life of this license, this will be one of many shipments we can send," Micke said. He hopes to send shipments of medicine in the future.
Cuba has an excellent health care system that stresses prevention, Micke said. But "they don't have the supplies we'd expect in a hospital or clinic in the United States." The people of Cuba struggle with nutrition, he said.
"It's a hardship for them economically, nutritionally, socially," he said.
Robert Kimbrough, a member of the delegation, said he wishes Americans had more latitude in traveling to Cuba.
"I'm very excited we were able to continue our connection with Camaguey," said Kimbrough, who has been traveling to the island for 10 years. "I wish everybody could just break out their passport and go to Cuba."
If people are willing to help, the group would be happy to accept money and supplies to send to Cuba, Micke said.
He can be reached at bernard.micke@uwmf.wisc.edu or at his office, 274-1100.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:03 PM (XW2az)

40 Ithought Wisconsin's motto is "We Cut the Cheese".

Those who smelt it, dealt it!

Posted by: Minnesota at February 19, 2011 07:04 PM (ihSHD)

41 Walker was smart by excluding the PD and FD.
For now.


Posted by: Barbarian at February 19, 2011 07:06 PM (EL+OC)

42 37
Do'h, I'm dying to see Breitbart find one of those senators.


Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 07:02 PM (r+kGG)

Friday, some local Tea Party head honcho got a couple of them on video asking why they didn't show up for work. I saw it on Fox, and the video probably didn't get carried anywhere else. They gave the expected asinine response of "we didn't show up because we were doing the hard work of slowing down legislation that we didn't have time to read."

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 07:06 PM (/izg2)

43 One day, the whole World will be fudge... andwe, will do the packing.

Posted by: Wisconsin State Credo at February 19, 2011 07:06 PM (9Wa3L)

44 Wow. A communist sympathizer handing out fake doctor notes at a union rally.

Sometimes the world makes perfect sense.

Posted by: sifty at February 19, 2011 07:06 PM (vBOo0)

45 I saw the Republican Governors Association (RGA)sent a letter of support to Gov. Walker yesterday, which was obviously good.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:06 PM (yfJ6g)

46 The question is whether the Democrat Left and other unions (AFL-CIO, UAW, etc.) do something to ally themselves to this or stay away. I think there will soon be a movement among this part of the traditional Democrat base to "double down".
I don't necessarily think this will go south on Walker (or Kasich in Ohio), but I do think that it has the potential of getting much bigger. This is a watershed moment in the life of this Republic. It won't be over in 24 or 48 hours. This is going to stretch out over the next few months.
This has the potential of blowing up in the face of the Democrats; it will not necessarily turn Democrats into voting Republican, but it will discourage a certain fraction of their base, and could definently turn the "independents" strongly AGAINST the Democrats.
Somebody said yesterday that this could be Obama's Waterloo. Yes indeed, it surely could.
The Democrats and their media lackeys sense this too. I surfed past MSNBC today and caught apreview of a "special" by Chris Matthews doing a hagiography tongue bath for Bill Clinton, with accompanying huzzahs by Kevin Spacey and Ben Stiller (actors!). They are VERY worried about their brand right now.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at February 19, 2011 07:07 PM (sJTmU)

47 " the Republican Governors Association (RGA) sent a letter of support to Gov. Walker yesterday"

Awesome.

Posted by: Bugler at February 19, 2011 07:08 PM (VXBR1)

48 Here's some vid of doctors handing out fake "sick" notes at the union rallies:

Sick Notes

/These doctors should be arrested and have their licenses stripped for fraud.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 19, 2011 07:08 PM (W2I+d)

49 Cuba has an excellent health care system that stresses prevention, Micke said. But "they don't have the supplies we'd expect in a hospital or clinic in the United States." The people of Cuba struggle with nutrition, he said.
"It's a hardship for them economically, nutritionally, socially," he said.

Geez, what an epic douchebag. And why exactly is it an hardship for them economically, nutritionally, and socially, you dumb dirtbag? And this loser definitely is a supporter of Communism and Castro, I'm sure. Funny though, but Michael Moore would disagree with this dude's statements. According to him, everything is great in Cuba and their medical facilities are brimming with the latest gleaming medical technology, equipment, and supplies.
Crutches, medical booksand wheelchairs--those are pretty darn basic, inexpensive items. If Cuba doesn't have them, then what exactly do they have?

Posted by: Minnesota at February 19, 2011 07:08 PM (ihSHD)

50 I live right next to Madison (Middleton). Last week was crazy unseasonably warm weather for a WI February, Thursday highs got up to 50. Even today (when I went to the Capitol for the tea party event) was 35 - 37 and sunny, which is downright balmy for Feb.

We're under a winter storm watch starting tonight and could get 10 inches of snow into Monday. We'll see whether the mob at the Capitol keeps it up when the weather turns sour.

Posted by: SparcVark at February 19, 2011 07:09 PM (mP/ks)

51 the Republican Governors Association (RGA) sent a letter of support to Gov. Walker yesterday"


Well they had to.

As WI goes, so does the rest.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 07:10 PM (sANrs)

52 Grrr! Sock! A cold one at that! Maybe I should have said "Brrr!"?

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 07:10 PM (ihSHD)

53 Wow. A communist sympathizer handing out fake doctor notes at a union rally.It really does.
But if you say that, the idiots start screaming "You're craaaaazy!"
But my statement is true.
Crazy like Glen Beck
Obama's org backed by Soros is paying for all the buses and signs but mentioning that is crazy too.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:11 PM (XW2az)

54 Heather Radish is from Wisconsin?

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 07:12 PM (r+kGG)

55 So how does Governor Walker "win" this? This isn't one of those bring in hired-hands and set the soldiers on people situations (1800s solution), so what must he do?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:12 PM (yfJ6g)

56 If Cuba doesn't have them, then what exactly do they have?
Cigars?

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:13 PM (XW2az)

57 I live here in Wisconsin. There is a TV commercial that is shown several times a day, put out by some group associated with the union. The last line of the commercial urges the viewer to: tell the governor stop this radical take-over of Wisconsin workers--or something very close to that. Very desperate, using language that mimics the tea-party. Do they think we're that stupid?

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:13 PM (d9sox)

58 "radical government take-over" is the exact phrase.

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (d9sox)

59 Just sent the good communist Doctor an email asking simply "Hey Doc can I have a sick note?"

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (GZitp)

60 Do they think we're that stupid?

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:13 PM (d9sox)

Of course!

Posted by: The MFM at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (/izg2)

61 Do they think we're that stupid?

Yes.


Posted by: alexthechick at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (qPgNK)

62 So how does Governor Walker "win" this? This isn't
one of those bring in hired-hands and set the soldiers on people
situations (1800s solution), so what must he do?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:12 PM (yfJ6g)

He stops any payments to senators that don't show up. This includes their budgets for their staffs. They want the money, show up and pick up the check. I give them maybe 2 weeks and they cave. What's the point of holding out? They have to come back sometime. It might be different if they actually needed their votes but they don't.

Posted by: Rocks at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (th0op)

63 OT - Oh goody!

Iran naval ships to cross Suez Canal on Monday

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 19, 2011 07:16 PM (W2I+d)

64 55 I should make clear I wasn't advocating that solution but rather just stating what I know about the olden days, when you weren't really allowed to protest even legitimate grievances.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:16 PM (yfJ6g)

65 Was I mistaken that Walker has dropped a deadline? Next thursday if the deal isnt done, the pinkslips start going out?

Posted by: I am the bone in your future at February 19, 2011 07:16 PM (FIDMq)

66 It will go on for quite a while before reaching a resolution, and what form that will take, no one can say. I predict a compromise no one is happy with.

Posted by: I-wuz-too-hip-now-I'm-just-cynical at February 19, 2011 06:53 PM (4sQwu)

And I predict the Union thugs will be left standing alone in the cold with their dicks in their hands and nobody to screw but each other, because no one wants to pay their last few pennies for public-sector champagne-and-caviar benefits while we are all losing our jobs and our insurance.

How do you like them apples?

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 07:16 PM (bxiXv)

67 runningrn for Queen of Wisconsin!

Why thank you, Jane! You're too kind!
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I see this thing going south for Walker and Republicans. A majority of people is soft on unions. Any unions.
Only if they cave. The average teacher in Milwaukee makes more than double the average wage of a non-public sector employee in Milwaukee, pluswith theirbenefits compensation, their totalpackage is even more than double the wage--over $100K/year. People are hurting financially right now. Plus the fact that people had to scramble to find childcare the last several days can't be sitting well with people who actually showed up for their jobs.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 07:17 PM (ihSHD)

68 55
So how does Governor Walker "win" this? This isn't one of those bring in
hired-hands and set the soldiers on people situations (1800s solution),
so what must he do?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:12 PM (yfJ6g)

He doesn't have to do anything, he has the votes to pass the legislation. No need to negotiate with the unions on anything. It's just a matter of when this bill passes, the Democrats can't stay out of the state forever.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2011 07:18 PM (GZitp)

69 How is the duly elected government and the duly elected legislature making a "radical government take-over"? That's like Valerie Jarrett saying Obama was speaking truth to power.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:18 PM (XW2az)

70 They're honoring Canadian Servicemen and Servicewomen on the Ice at the Toronto / Ottowa game.
Good on the NHL for supporting the Troops.

Posted by: garrett at February 19, 2011 07:18 PM (9Wa3L)

71 60
Do they think we're that stupid?

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:13 PM (d9sox)
Of course!


Posted by: The MFM at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (/izg2)

And racist. Sorry, but we forgot to add that you're also racist.

Posted by: The MFM at February 19, 2011 07:19 PM (/izg2)

72 He stops any payments to senators
that don't show up. This includes their budgets for their staffs. They
want the money, show up and pick up the check. I give them maybe 2 weeks
and they cave. What's the point of holding out? They have to come back
sometime. It might be different if they actually needed their votes but
they don't.


Posted by: Rocks at February 19, 2011 07:15 PM (th0op)
Also, I hope someone is watching for charges to gov't. credit cards for this little boondoggle in Illinois.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 07:20 PM (VuLos)

73 55 So how does Governor Walker "win" this? This isn't one of those bring in hired-hands and set the soldiers on people situations (1800s solution), so what must he do?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:12 PM (yfJ6g)
He has pretty much said, sign this or 5000 jobs are cut. Like I said above, I swear I heard Thursday is that day. That will ALL be on those Dem senators

Posted by: I am the bone in your future at February 19, 2011 07:20 PM (FIDMq)

74 Waaaaay off topic but bc it's on my brain.

Best Mob Movie?
The Godfather or Goodfellas.

I lean towards the latter but it's a tough, tough choice.

TGF was on all last week. Goodfellas is on now - ion if you get that channel. Of course they have to pretty it up for cable.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 07:21 PM (sANrs)

75 I would expect we will be getting a report from Radish The Great shortly, but she's probably going througha veryextensive decontamination/delousing process after being down there with all those scumbags.
I too look forward to her report.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 07:21 PM (ihSHD)

76 They breakin' the rules to create schools for fools! Stay out the Bushes!!

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 07:21 PM (VXBR1)

77 Good on the NHL

What's the NHL?

Posted by: laceyunderalls lover of most sports but this hockey thing at February 19, 2011 07:22 PM (sANrs)

78 Goodfellas has all those Stone tracks.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:23 PM (SJ6/3)

79 here's a link to the commercial, if I'm doing it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srsCHt4k1f4

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:23 PM (d9sox)

80 I hate ice soccer to.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:24 PM (SJ6/3)

81 Excellent the snow starts in WI tonight through Monday night and then back again on wed.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:24 PM (XW2az)

82 @ NRO: "Sen. Jim Holperin (D-Conover) said Democratic senators were to meet in caucus again on Saturday night at an undisclosed location in Illinois.
Holperin said the senators expect to remain out of state through the weekend, but eventually will have to make a decision – either to come back to Wisconsin, or because Gov. Scott Walker and Republicans move on the issue of ensuring the rights of public employee unions."

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 07:24 PM (yfJ6g)

83 Not a bad track on some girls.

Posted by: sTevo at February 19, 2011 07:25 PM (VMcEw)

84 80
I hate ice soccer to.


Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:24 PM (SJ6/3)

OK but have you tried ice soccer...and AGW soccer...with valu-rite? It completely changes everything.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 07:25 PM (/izg2)

85
There are a lot of Cheese Heads in Wisconsin, and AoS posters would be well served to call them Smegma Heads!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 19, 2011 07:26 PM (ZHsNw)

86 FJ - that crap cleaner yo recommended worked really well. Thanks.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 07:26 PM (/izg2)

87 That's Fromunda cheese, Fish.

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 07:27 PM (d9sox)

88 I've been thinking after seeing the whole situation, the various statements from right and left on facebook, etc.:

* If you're going to face _all of this sort of shit-flinging_ for what are probably _modest_ cuts in the rate of expansion of the budget, you might as well go all the way and propose real cuts and structural changes to laws. Instead of "removing collective bargaining only for public employees and then only for wages," why not go ahead and do what your opponents are going to say you're doing anyway, and abolish the whole thing for public employees. Or for everyone, and then you'll have a position to back away from.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at February 19, 2011 07:27 PM (2CcxA)

89 He has pretty much said, sign this or 5000 jobs are cut. Like I said above, I swear I heard Thursday is that day. That will ALL be on those Dem senators

"OK, Louie, how we going to spin dis to point back to Bush, Cheney and Palin?"
"Geez Boss, I don't know. Bush and Cheney have beengone for the last 2 years, and I don't believe Palin has been anywhere near WI."
"OK, so let's go wit option 2. We won't report anything coming out of WI if it's bad for our side. Capice? If we don't report it, it didn't happen."
"But Boss, we already went all out on dis one and did that whole "Dissent is patriotic/Governor Walker is Hitler who wants to stick the children in the ovensschtick. People are going to remember dat."
"Nah, Louie. All we got to do is put up some alternative story. Maybe a nice spread on da NJ Shore people, everyone wants to know about Da Situation and Snooki. We could also do a nice tribute to Bill Clinton, World President, and then finish wit a Sarah Palin is a stoopid nitwit. Da public will eat that up!"
"OK, boss!"

Posted by: Talking Heads of Teh MFM Mafia at February 19, 2011 07:28 PM (ihSHD)

90 I keep triggering those dang hot keys somehow.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:29 PM (SJ6/3)

91 I love how the latest meme is that the teachers are only looking out for other union workers across the country. The very same teachers that have no problem doing drywall, painting, wood-floor refinishing, roofing, etc. over the summer for cash, undercutting their own neighborhood businesses and union workers.
God I hate those guys.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2011 07:29 PM (GZitp)

92
There was a comment up thread about the Walker agenda going no where. If the recall effort picks up steam, the liberal/socialist will be genuflecting and doing the Obama bow to avoid the big boot.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 19, 2011 07:29 PM (ZHsNw)

93 @91 +1

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 07:31 PM (/izg2)

94 Is there a way to get a laptop with a decent graphics card without spending a grand?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:31 PM (SJ6/3)

95 I'm gonna get with the times and come up with some rhymes!

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 07:31 PM (VXBR1)

96
The events in Wisconsin are reminiscent of the Gong Show hosted by Chuck Barris, and featuring Gene Gene the Dancing Machine.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 19, 2011 07:34 PM (ZHsNw)

97 I just got through reading an argument that if Organising for America, Obama's troops, are behind a lot of the protesting against a duly-elected Governor and his Administration, then its a form of Sedition.
/scratchinghead

Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at February 19, 2011 07:35 PM (SMqnS)

98 Is there a way to get a laptop with a decent graphics card without spending a grand?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:31 PM (SJ6/3)

Ebay, off lease.

Posted by: Rocks at February 19, 2011 07:35 PM (th0op)

99 Hey, why haven't any good-will functionaries "appropriated" a few thousand Dunkin` Donuts and Tim Horton's cups, and filled them with some heavily-laden, Ex-Lax reinforced hot chocolate and distributed it to the union masses there?

Hilarity would ensue.

Posted by: Doc Rochester at February 19, 2011 07:35 PM (FJxYQ)

100 I loved how that 'doctor' quickly hid behind privacy laws to refuse to discuss why he was handing out the sick notes. Patient/doctor confidentiality with no payments, no exams -- but plenty of fraud.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 19, 2011 07:36 PM (h0RtZ)

101 It's just a matter of when this bill passes, the Democrats can't stay out of the state forever.

Are you sure? In my fantasy world, they go on some sort of a permanent leave of absence. Maybe to Cuba. Or Iran. They like hell holes, right?

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 07:36 PM (OKZrE)

102 What did Big 0 say initially about this situation?
Make it stick to him in 2012. As long as the R's don't screw up, there will be an R President in 2012. Make the Rs use this in Summer 2012. No excuses.

The Wis. State Govenrment cannot negotiate with the unions. At all.They need to pass all of the original measures, as written.Anything else is a union victory.
Other states will follow Wisconsin's lead.
2012 is looking better and better.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 19, 2011 07:36 PM (t73yI)

103 We're under a winter storm watch starting tonight
and could get 10 inches of snow into Monday. We'll see whether the mob
at the Capitol keeps it up when the weather turns sour.

Posted by: SparcVark at February 19, 2011 07:09 PM

We got ways tah handle them politicians that don't see things our way

Nice street youse got there. Shame if nobody plowed it

Posted by: NYC Sanitation Workers Union at February 19, 2011 07:37 PM (vdfwz)

104 And I predict the Union thugs will be left standing alone in the cold with their dicks in their hands and nobody to screw but each other, because no one wants to pay their last few pennies for public-sector champagne-and-caviar benefits while we are all losing our jobs and our insurance.You know who should be the first to end this? Private sector unions.The rank-and-file I'm sure resent the teachers and their priviledged position. They're officially unified (often the same union) but they aren't the same people.
At some point, the big bosses will tell the NEA to fold and take their lumps.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 07:37 PM (BvBKY)

105 I mean, is that possible? To have an organisation aligned with a Federal entitybe Seditious vs. a State? Is that taking State Sovereignty too far?

Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at February 19, 2011 07:38 PM (SMqnS)

106 Education majors have rock-bottom SAT scores, yet the average GPA in Ed classes is somehow virtually a 4.0. Eliminating collective bargaining for teachers not only would help states' finances, but would, maybe, just maybe allow for desperately needed reforms, including perhaps even school choice, along with of course the dismissal of incompetent teachers and reward good ones.

Going after the teachers union is a 2 for the price of 1.

Posted by: Spike at February 19, 2011 07:38 PM (WLxeI)

107
94
Is there a way to get a laptop with a decent graphics card without spending a grand?

http://www.dellauction.com/

Posted by: El Presidenté at February 19, 2011 07:39 PM (H+LJc)

108 People are waking up the fact that the UNION/Democrat alliance is bad. Very very bad.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at February 19, 2011 07:39 PM (0fzsA)

109 The libtards are afraid that if Walker wins, other governors are going to follow suit. I hope they will.
Bet Barky is upset he didn't spend more time on his civilian army (or maybe that's what organizing for ameria is all about).

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:39 PM (XW2az)

110 A liberal co-worker of mine tried to pick a fight with me about this yesterday. It was funny actually -- I kept making calm, rational statements about the role of public employee unions driving states towards bankruptcy, the collusion between the public unions and the elected officials they bargain with (and the little relief for the taxpayer who funds it all), etc etc. His "arguments" ranged from "this only hurts children", to "these teachers are underpaid", to "state budget shortfalls are only because of tax cuts." His ultimate answer to the solution? "Raise taxes!"

That's always the solution isn't it? When he disagreed with my points that raising taxes stymies economic growth and causes people to flee to lower tax states, I did an internal "facepalm" and left the conversation.

The mentality of the left, in all its glory.

Posted by: brak at February 19, 2011 07:40 PM (nIoiW)

111 #106
Going after the teachers union is a 2 for the price of 1.

Culminating with the dismantling of the Department of Education. The teachers don't need a Cabinet-level position in the federal government.

/It was a "gift" from the Carter Administration to the teachers unions for helping him get elected anyway.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 19, 2011 07:41 PM (W2I+d)

112
The best part about the Wisconsin fiasco? After the union collapse, Obama will be blamed by conservative media, and lauded by liberal media for his stalwart and principled position, even though they had their asses kicked. That's the democrat way. We're losers, but principled losers, and you republican's can go fuck yourselves.

Signed,

Wisconsin Teachers Liberal Buttboys in the Media

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 19, 2011 07:43 PM (ZHsNw)

113 His ultimate answer to the solution? "Raise taxes!"Fine. Raise taxes on union dues.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 07:45 PM (BvBKY)

114 The federal govt cannot send federal workers into a state, even FEMA, unless requested to by the state. The feds cannot "invade" a state, period. Organizing for America is not a federal entity. It's pretty weird for a president to have a "force" that he uses for his community organizing still following his orders while he's president.
In Radical in Chief, Stanley Kurtz says that community organizing is taking the upset, the dissatisfaction of a community or group and using it to further a political goal which is almost always socialism.
Regardless of what is happening, Obama will use any crisis, upset, disturbance, to haul out his troops to push the masses toward socialism. Spread the wealth around, baby and weaken the country. He wants a borderless world and he wants it even (except of course for the elite).

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 07:45 PM (XW2az)

115 FlaviusJulius,
Never mind off lease. Brand new with 1 year warranty from Dell.
Here. $889

Posted by: Rocks at February 19, 2011 07:46 PM (th0op)

116 I found 1 on HP's site for $899. They used to be high.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:46 PM (SJ6/3)

117 I was disappointed election night that we didn't have an epic night. In retrospect, I really underestimated the benefits of the slaughter that did take place at the state level. What other goodies are in the queue?

Posted by: Spike at February 19, 2011 07:47 PM (WLxeI)

118 Prices are collapsing.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:47 PM (SJ6/3)

119 As a Wisconsinite I think there's an easy three step plan.

1) let the FIBS stay in illinois for a while. Maybe ship their office stuff there. This will be great campaign material Joe Blow from 'rockford' running for re-election in madison.

2) then when that gets old - end direct deposit for these folks. If they want to get paid they have to come in person to the state house and pick up their check.

3) suggest changing the length of the school year - move to a full year program with smaller breaks. Especially in the inner cities - it's not like they work on the farm in the summer.

3) sign the recall petition
3)

Posted by: Steve adams at February 19, 2011 07:47 PM (vxP3Q)

120 It appears that average folk who have to go to work and, say, make
arrangements for their children while teachers are lying about being
sick don't seem to be very supportive of protesters.

Isn't that the real problem with education? Too many parents see it as daycare, where you dump your kids off for a bit to take care of making money, or doing your me stuff, and not as an institution that should prepare them for the future?

Posted by: Douglas at February 19, 2011 07:48 PM (YKOnu)

121 In Radical in Chief, Stanley Kurtz says that community organizing is taking the upset, the dissatisfaction of a community or group and using it to further a political goal which is almost always socialism.
And despite what they say, it's almost always organizing for the goals of the organizer and not the organized. If the organized wanted to do something, they could pull a Tea Party. It can be done. Plus, the "downtrodden" often have a LOT of time on their hands.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 07:48 PM (BvBKY)

122 Wisconsin - come sniff our Dairy Air.

Posted by: cw_king at February 19, 2011 07:48 PM (ldr3I)

123 Well frankly I hope it snows like hell in Madison tomorrow. As Donna V points out even the libtards in Shorewood are both "honked out" and "honked off". I have a teacher for a sister, and had another one for a sister in law. They spent their working lives bitching about being underpaid and overworked. But come pension time, they struck the big bonanza. Of course their health insurance was free over their working life as well.
But their focus was always on "I'm being paid less--my paycheck is smaller".
Well hellfire, so was mine once my health insurance and 401K was taken out.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 19, 2011 07:48 PM (3ESDJ)

124 Switchable graphics card even.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:49 PM (SJ6/3)

125 My late b-i-l was a staunch union guy and we used to get into some heated arguments over unions. I told him I would bet him that if he ever owned his own company it would be a non-union company. Of course he disagreed. Years later he started his own sheet metal shop. Can you guess if it was union or non-union? You only get one guess. Use it wisely.

Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2011 07:49 PM (1F/m8)

126 125 Did he than admit you were right?

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2011 07:51 PM (zqUcB)

127 "Is there a way to get a laptop with a decent graphics card without spending a grand?"

Go on welfare or pretend to be an illegal and the state of Massachusetts will give you one for free!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 19, 2011 07:51 PM (ijjAe)

128 114 Dagny -
Thanks for the clarification. If OfA isn't officially "Federal" then what about it's funding? Who's paying for the buses and signs and etc?

Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at February 19, 2011 07:53 PM (SMqnS)

129 I think it is over. The boomers have figured out that the liberal guilt trip is costing them their retirement.

I am one of them, it is FUCKING OVER.

I am blessed, I have made lots of money, and I SAVED MOST OF IT.

Just an observation that something is going on.

I drove 70 miles down a rural NC road today to go to a hunt. I do this at least once a month.

Until today I have never seen a Gadsden flag, not in the South. You may see a battle flag, but I have never seen the "Don't thread on Me" a Yankee flag.

Saw six today. Shit is happen my friends, the peoples are not happy.

Posted by: Kemp at February 19, 2011 07:53 PM (JpFM9)

130 I'll believe things have changed when the laws and public employee contracts actually show the change.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at February 19, 2011 07:53 PM (HAdov)

131 126 125 Did he than admit you were right?


Hell no. Those type of people never admit to being wrong.

Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2011 07:54 PM (1F/m8)

132 94 Is there a way to get a laptop with a decent graphics card without spending a grand?
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:31 PM (SJ6/3)
Decent *for what*?Kinda need to know that, I got a dual-core HD-screen Radeon-driven laptop for about $350, but while it would play old games it would not be up for the latest titles in any way. It is for browsing and writing, not for games.Some of the Alienware used laptops are good deals but they're also fraud-magnets on eBay and other online sellers.Some mobile chipsets are listed on Passmark's online becnhmarks.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 07:54 PM (bxiXv)

133 129 Yep,they certainly are and if the left keeps pushing,some bad shit might happen.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2011 07:56 PM (zqUcB)

134 Newsbusters has a pic of Bwian Williams giving the MFM spin on Wisconsin.

If you swallow their crap you are beyond hope.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 07:56 PM (VmVG3)

135 That's always the solution isn't it? When he
disagreed with my points that raising taxes stymies economic growth and
causes people to flee to lower tax states, I did an internal "facepalm"
and left the conversation.The mentality of the left, in all its glory.

Posted by: brak at February 19, 2011 07:40 PM

Since lefties won't stipulate to your data and he expects you to stipulate his, no matter how wacky or illogical, the only way to really deal with them is to say "after hearing what you've said, I have to conclude that I can never take anything you say seriously, and debating you is like having a discussion with a UFO abductee"

They get more upset at getting laughed at than disagreed with

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 07:57 PM (vdfwz)

136 Need ATI HD 4850, or G260 or better. Switchable card would be good to.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 07:58 PM (SJ6/3)

137 Newsbusters has a pic of Bwian Williams giving the MFM spin on Wisconsin. Brian Williams gives off this air that he is desperate that you not discover how stupid he really is.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 07:58 PM (BvBKY)

138 Al Sharpton is gay. That's right, I said it.

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 07:58 PM (VXBR1)

139 My cousin is a public employee in WI. He's worried if their collective bargaining rights are done away with, private sector employees would eventually lose theirs as well. I didn't care to debate since he is a good man, good father etc and it was a family function. He did make a point that if they can't collective bargain, they will still be treated as a collective because political pressure will keep them from having the individual bargaining (by this I think he meant merit pay) that private sector employees have.
Hopefully this shakes out so that good workers are not screwed by the lousy ones.

Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 07:59 PM (5MoLB)

140 I'm probably the only moron who knows this song, but I keep hearing Bob Dylan's "Union Sundown" in my head. I can't find a video, just the lyrics, which you can find yourself if you are so inclined -- I don't want to be one of "those" people. It's from 1983, but it's aging well.


Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:01 PM (zxpIo)

141 The mentality of the left, in all its glory.
Posted by: brak at February 19, 2011 07:40 PM (nIoiW)
It does make you wonder where that inability to reason or even understand an argument will lead next. I personally have an aversion to irrational people. I would love to have a real discussion with a rational liberal, but it always devolves into irrationality, insults, shouting, or they run away to find someone to validate them.
And they vote, usually 2-3 times.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:01 PM (bxiXv)

142 He did make a point that if they can't collective bargain, they will still be treated as a collective because political pressure will keep them from having the individual bargaining (by this I think he meant merit pay) that private sector employees have.
Most university faculties are not unionized. They find a way.
Plus, if the districts are able to set salaries, there will be competition.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:02 PM (BvBKY)

143 Althouse has good pictures and video too, of the LYING POS DOCTORS who are making sure these "brave" protestors don't ge their pay docked.

Posted by: PJ at February 19, 2011 08:02 PM (QdxaI)

144 You think we're worried? We're gonna get all we asked for and more. What's that Clown Actor Reagan gonna do, fire ALL of us?

He'd be run out of office by an outraged public once the control towers had nobody guiding the planes! He's gonna fold I tell ya, don't buy that cowboy shit, even HE wouldn't fire us all, he's BLUFFING !!


Posted by: PATCO in 1981 at February 19, 2011 08:03 PM (vdfwz)

145 Hopefully this shakes out so that good workers are not screwed by the lousy ones.

Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 07:59 PM (5MoLB)

A public service job should always be a relatively shitty job, else you end up where we are today.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:03 PM (VmVG3)

146 128 Who funds Organizing for America? Well, certainly not the federal govt officially. I would imagine that it's funded by every far lefty organization in the WORLD and Soros; communists, anarchists, socialists, marxists, etc. Now, don't get me wrong, most of that money is siphoned to them through regulations contracts and other means from the federal govt. It's a complicated laundering.

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 08:03 PM (XW2az)

147 Unions and buggy whips. I'd say the buggy whip has more value today.

Posted by: USA at February 19, 2011 08:04 PM (YZISw)

148 Hopefully this shakes out so that good workers are not screwed by the lousy ones.


Without collective bargaining, the good workers should be able to end up with an even better deal, while we get rid of at least a few of the "not-quite-as-good-as-the-good" workers as well.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:04 PM (/izg2)

149

Plus, if the districts are able to set salaries, there will be competition.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:02 PM (BvBKY)
Ah yes, the dreaded competition factor so loathed by ineffective and ineffectual liberals who prefer hiding behind the union apron.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 19, 2011 08:05 PM (ZHsNw)

150 In CO, teachers and all state workers havePERA (Public Employee’s Retirement Association). You can buy years so that your retirement pays more at retirement. I don't know exactly how it works. I do know it is a scam for the taxpayers. PERA can meet only about 50% of it obligations as of 2009 and want the taxpayers to make them whole.

Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2011 08:05 PM (1F/m8)

151 140
I'm probably the only moron who knows this song, but I keep hearing Bob
Dylan's "Union Sundown" in my head. I can't find a video, just the
lyrics, which you can find yourself if you are so inclined -- I don't
want to be one of "those" people. It's from 1983, but it's aging well.Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:01 PM (zxpIo)

You are such a hippie! Should I wear tie-die for our golf outing?

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:06 PM (/izg2)

152 Hopefully this shakes out so that good workers are not screwed by the lousy ones.

Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 07:59 PM

Good workers are almost always paid what they can get

Unions are there to protect the incompetent and lazy

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:06 PM (vdfwz)

153 It's pretty weird for a president to have a "force" that he uses for his community organizing still following his orders while he's president.
During the election didn't he talk about a civilian corps (or corpse) that would be just as powerful as the military?

Posted by: tank at February 19, 2011 08:07 PM (d5dBV)

154 Without collective bargaining, the good workers should be able to end up with an even better deal, while we get rid of at least a few of the "not-quite-as-good-as-the-good" workers as well.
Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:04 PM (/izg2)
Even more, there's motivation to do so. How many teachers are just going through the motions because there's no incentive to work harder but could be great teachers?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:08 PM (BvBKY)

155 Without adequate investment in intellectual interfracture, Wisconsin's people are doomed to a life of ambidextrosity.

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 08:08 PM (VXBR1)

156 Why do teacher unions hate merit pay so much?

Because the unions do not serve the interests of students or individual teachers.

Ever work as a waiter at a place where they pool tips?

Why bust your ass?

Everybody ends up working no better than the average waiter.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:08 PM (VmVG3)

157 Union sundown
http://tinyurl.com/49yu9ob

Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2011 08:09 PM (XW2az)

158 136
Need ATI HD 4850, or G260 or better. Switchable card would be good to.


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Toshiba Qosmio X505-Q892 (used)

MSI GX740-235US (used)

Just a few to look for , should be under $1k (over new but under used).

You're basically looking for last year's bargian buys as new laptops, but on the used market.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:10 PM (bxiXv)

159 156 Why do teacher unions hate merit pay so much? Because the unions do not serve the interests of students or individual teachers. Ever work as a waiter at a place where they pool tips? Why bust your ass? Everybody ends up working no better than the average waiter.

Students need to unionize so that everybody in class gets the average grade.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:10 PM (BvBKY)

160 155Without adequate investment in intellectual interfracture, Wisconsin's people are doomed to a life of ambidextrosity.Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 08:08 PM (VXBR1) Amen Rev.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at February 19, 2011 08:10 PM (32KSF)

161 Those docs in Wisconsin make me sick.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:11 PM (VmVG3)

162 He'd be run out of office by an outraged public once
the control towers had nobody guiding the planes! He's gonna fold I
tell ya, don't buy that cowboy shit, even HE wouldn't fire us all, he's
BLUFFING !!

Posted by: PATCO in 1981 at February 19, 2011 08:03 PM

Considering that in 1981 there was no Fox News, no internet alternative media, and talk radio was just a few old cranky guys on dying AM stations, you had to admire Reagan's balls in firing PATCO en masse knowing that the MBM would crucify him

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:11 PM (vdfwz)

163 Since lefties won't stipulate to your data and he expects you to stipulate his, no matter how wacky or illogical, the only way to really deal with them is to say "after hearing what you've said, I have to conclude that I can never take anything you say seriously, and debating you is like having a discussion with a UFO abductee"They get more upset at getting laughed at than disagreed with
That has been my experience too! They sure hate to be laughed at!

Posted by: tank at February 19, 2011 08:11 PM (d5dBV)

164 161 Those docs in Wisconsin make me sick. One's a med school prof.
My guess is that they will lose their license for these notes. Trust in the medical profession is a big Biden deal and they don't want anything undermining it.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (BvBKY)

165 That's always the solution isn't it? When he
disagreed with my points that raising taxes stymies economic growth and
causes people to flee to lower tax states, I did an internal "facepalm"
and left the conversation.The mentality of the left, in all its glory.

Posted by: brak at February 19, 2011 07:40 PM (nIoiW)

I am surrounded by people who are left, who get their politics from Comedy Central and NPR exclusively, who are union (albeit, private) and it has gotten to the point I can not abide their company. These are long time friends, and this was never the situation prior to Obama. Somehow, Obama has made politics personal, and there is virtually no topic left that does not turn into a "facepalm" moment.
It makes me sad that my friends have now become mere acquaintances, where a rousing happy conversation revolves only around the weather.

Posted by: Derak at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (CjpKH)

166 Yep. just leave the libs alone and they will destroy themselves.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (x3Anv)

167 Thanks everybody.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 19, 2011 08:14 PM (SJ6/3)

168 One odd thing I have noticed.

Since this Union Flap began, Obama has lost 5 points on Rasmussen. However, on Gallup he has GAINED 6 points! Slight disconnect there.

You think Gallup wants to make up believe America supports Obama's position in this?

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at February 19, 2011 08:15 PM (x3Anv)

169 If they got rid of grading on a curve there would be five true "A" students left in the Country.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:16 PM (VmVG3)

170
Hopefully this shakes out so that good workers are not screwed by the lousy ones. Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 07:59 PM (5MoLB)
Hopefully this all works out so that the entire country doesn't collapse into poverty and anarchy so that unionized public employees get a few more years of champagne and caviar.I know you don't see it this way, but legally and economically they have it better than the rest of us. They are first-class citizens, and the rest of us are second-class citizens.That has to stop, period. Not only can we not afford it, but it's starting to get ugly already, and it *can* get *much* uglier unless we put the brakes on.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:16 PM (bxiXv)

171 As a resident of the Dairy State, I've only got a couple of observations:
1) All of the parents I know who have been affected by the teacher walkouts are saying roughly the same thing: 'Who the f**k do these teachers think they are? FIRE THEM ALL!'
2) As far as collective bargaining, one of the things in Walker's bill is to eliminate it through the unions but provide it through the civil service department. Only problem with that is there are areas of WI which haven't got an active civil service field department - and Walker's already looking into rectifying that situation. I'm thinking this is where the Walker's out to destroy the unions idea comes in.
3) My opinion on the Dems walkout is that the State Attorney general (if he can) should prosecute them using State Statute <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4tylpeq">946.12</a>. I say if he can because I don't know which legal body would be the ones to do it. If the Dems aren't cracked severely across the knuckles for this, it'll lead to no end of legislators walking out when a bill they don't like comes up for a vote.
4) As far as the Dems/MFM/Progressives/Liberals thinking we're all stupid, it's not so much they really believe that - it's more that they're counting on it. Considering their comparative control group (themselves), it probably is beyond them to imagine anyone could really be intelligent.

Posted by: The Watcher at February 19, 2011 08:18 PM (Zqfof)

172
Trust in the medical profession is a big Biden deal and they don't want anything undermining it. Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (BvBKY)
Too late.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:18 PM (bxiXv)

173 It makes me sad that my friends
have now become mere acquaintances, where a rousing happy conversation
revolves only around the weather.


Posted by: Derak at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (CjpKH)

Derak...partly because of the events since 2008, half of my family has become mere acquaintances, and its a great day visiting them when the most contentious issue is the weather or Tastes Great/Less Filling.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:18 PM (/izg2)

174 And the great silent majority in Wisconsin finally wakes from a deep liberal slumber. That's right you fucking idiots, you've been asleep for the last fucking 25 to 30 years or longer. Now you wake up and find you've been getting thebanged in the bung by these lefty liberal public employee unions. Wake the hell up. Get involved. Support your Governor who is looking out for YOU!

Posted by: Sparky at February 19, 2011 08:18 PM (MNYI+)

175 Since this Union Flap began, Obama has lost 5 points on Rasmussen. However, on Gallup he has GAINED 6 points! Slight disconnect there.You think Gallup wants to make up believe America supports Obama's position in this?
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at February 19, 2011 08:15 PM (x3Anv)
Sounds a bit more than statistical noise. I've noticed that Gallup's been behind the curve compared to Ras and is more prone to wild swings.
If Gallup were manipulating data they'd be holding him steady because they'll have to come to earth sometime.
No, I don't think there's hanky panky with Gallup other than their usual sloppiness.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:19 PM (BvBKY)

176 BTW, I'm not on the public sector union side.I agree that theyshould not be insulated from the economy or from competition on merit.

Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 08:19 PM (5MoLB)

177 And racist. Sorry, but we forgot to add that you're also racist.


Posted by: The MFM at February 19, 2011 07:19 PM (/izg2)

Liars, you never forget to add that we're also racists.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 08:20 PM (eCAn3)

178 They get more upset at getting laughed at than disagreed with

That has been my experience too! They sure hate to be laughed at!

Posted by: tank at February 19, 2011 08:11 PM

Reminds me of that Bones episode some years back when a beautiful woman from DHS was interviewing the lab staff to see if any of them were security risks.

The moonbat conspiracy theorist says sarcastically to her "Whenever you're ready to interview me about all the dangerous stuff I've read, I'm ready."

She looks at him coldly and says "we've already determined that you're not a security threat"

He follows her angrily, yelling "I'm a THREAT baby, you better believe I'm a BIG THREAT !! "

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:20 PM (vdfwz)

179 Derak...partly because of the events since 2008, half of my family has become mere acquaintances, and its a great day visiting them when the most contentious issue is the weather or Tastes Great/Less Filling.
It's quite simple, really. You don't believe in their god.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:21 PM (BvBKY)

180 I can't fault any Doctor for giving anyone an excuse in this age of the malpractice lawsuit. But coming right to the protest and handing them out? Baarbaric.
Like someone mentioned upthread, I hope school board people are poring over video and pics from the protest and calling out the malingering libtards.

Posted by: delmar at February 19, 2011 08:21 PM (d9sox)

181 Shitty teachers can have a great advantage over their students.

Students don't know what they don't know.

These days are a bad time to be a shitty teacher. A kid can go online and see if what you said is crap or not.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:21 PM (VmVG3)

182 138
Al Sharpton is gay. That's right, I said it.

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at February 19, 2011 07:58 PM (VXBR1)
You know you suck one dick and all of a sudden you are a fag. I spit out, really. So it doesn't count!

Posted by: Al, I still owe a huge fucking judgement , to a DA what his name? at February 19, 2011 08:22 PM (JpFM9)

183 151 140 I'm probably the only moron who knows this song, but I keep hearing Bob Dylan's "Union Sundown" in my head. I can't find a video, just the lyrics, which you can find yourself if you are so inclined -- I don't want to be one of "those" people. It's from 1983, but it's aging well.Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:01 PM (zxpIo)

You are such a hippie! Should I wear tie-die for our golf outing?
Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:06 PM (/izg2)
Hello! Hence the Subaru

Posted by: I am the bone in your future at February 19, 2011 08:22 PM (FIDMq)

184 180 I can't fault any Doctor for giving anyone an excuse in this age of the malpractice lawsuit.
I think that's true -- if you ask for a doctor's note, you will get one --but I would hope thatthe state/school districtcan reject the note if there wasn't an office appointment. And that would involve either proof of co-pay or request for reimbursement from insurance.
Another thing that the medical profession won't abide is pro-bono work.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:24 PM (BvBKY)

185 It's quite simple, really. You don't believe in their god.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:21 PM (BvBKY)
I do believe that is a big component. They are also mostly raised Catholic and now atheist/agnostic. Their god has become the state. And they don't know it.

Posted by: Derak at February 19, 2011 08:27 PM (CjpKH)

186 I am surrounded by people who are left, who get their politics from Comedy Central and NPR exclusively, who are union (albeit, private) and it has gotten to the point I can not abide their company. These are long time friends, and this was never the situation prior to Obama. Somehow, Obama has made politics personal, and there is virtually no topic left that does not turn into a "facepalm" moment. Posted by: Derak at February 19, 2011 08:13 PM (CjpKH)
A lot of us have been there. Policy has become personalized, very few people can abstractly discuss the issues anymore. Partly because the left think their world will come crashing down if the government doesn't rip everyone else off for them, and because the right are almost out of resources that the government can rip off from them.Re: The "Comedy Central" people, nothing is more irritating than someone who admits they're ignorant and don't take facts seriously, and then gets personally angry at you over a dispute. Seriously, dudes, if you want to be an ignorant drone, a plane leaves for China every four hours.It is too bad there's no actual way to tax people based on how stupid they are.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:27 PM (bxiXv)

187 I still hate Bush!

Posted by: Ghost of Sadam Hussien at February 19, 2011 08:28 PM (zVOB7)

188 You are such a hippie! Should I wear tie-die for our golf outing?

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:06 PM (/izg2)
Hello! Hence the Subaru

Posted by: I am the bone in your future at February 19, 2011 08:22 PM

Someone get a Shelby GT500 Mustang and strap him in ..

The Moron's version of an Intervention

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:29 PM (vdfwz)

189 Fuck all this.

What a beautiful day and I got to shot lots of birds.

Really in NC the sunset was absolutely amazing and it was 70 degrees.

WTF is with that? It was 30 last week?

I blame it on Bush!

God Bless him.

His dad did not look good at the medal thing, anyone else notice that?

Posted by: Kemp at February 19, 2011 08:30 PM (JpFM9)

190 You may not be working, and you may not be earning money, but you're not unemployed!

You'd think you'd be thanking me...

Posted by: Barry The 0 at February 19, 2011 08:31 PM (FcR7P)

191 It is too bad there's no actual way to tax people based on how stupid they are.


Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:27 PM (bxiXv)
Heeeeeey...you may have just solved our deficit problem.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 08:31 PM (VuLos)

192 I've seen this BS movie before. The libtards keep voting for more and more teachers at higher and higher wages and benefits. "It's for the children."
Then reality bites 'em on the ass. They piss and moan. They blame it on anything and everything except their own idiotic ideas in action.
Then they move to another locale with lower taxes.
Rinse.Repeat.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at February 19, 2011 08:31 PM (sbsG1)

193 187
I still hate Bush!

Posted by: Ghost of Sadam Hussien at February 19, 2011 08:28 PM

Shut up and get me another Chivas, you camel fucker

Posted by: Ted Kennedy in Hell's Tavern at February 19, 2011 08:31 PM (vdfwz)

194 187
I still hate Bush!
Me too!

Posted by: Prez for Life Soros-Hussein at February 19, 2011 08:32 PM (OKZrE)

195 You are such a hippie! Should I wear tie-die for our golf outing?

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:06 PM (/izg2)
Hello! Hence the Subaru

Posted by: I am the bone in your future at February 19, 2011 08:22 PM (FIDMq)
Sheesh, I'm just old. Although not in spirit, and I certainly don't (never did) do the smelly hippie thing. I don't drive a Subaru, I just have a car guru who tells me they are very solid vehicles. And the only bone in my future will probably be some miracle composite installed by an orthopedic surgeon.

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:32 PM (zxpIo)

196 It's going to be downright comical if the Feds come to an impasse on the budget and the msm starts babbling about the Republicans shutting down the government while cheerleading the 14 Democrats are on the lam in WI.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 19, 2011 08:32 PM (TMB3S)

197 @191 Tami
write it up guys, ya got my vote!

Posted by: chuck in st paul at February 19, 2011 08:32 PM (sbsG1)

198 Someone get a Shelby GT500 Mustang and strap him in ..The Moron's version of an Intervention

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:29 PM (vdfwz)


Don't strap me into nothing! I got a a Camaro and I strap myself in just fine...like the clear Carolina Blue sky today. If God is not a Tarheel, why was the sky today Carolina Blue?

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:34 PM (/izg2)

199 Stole this from Granny Dee over at HA, the so called "doctors" with the excuse slips:


Dr. James H Shropshire MD

5001 Monona Drive

Monona, WI, 53716-2636

Phone: (60222-8779

Hanna Keevel, M.D.

Job title: Clinical Assistant Professor

Office phone: (60 274-1100

Clinic: Odana Atrium (Madison)

Affiliation: UW Health – Odana Atrium

Wisconsin Medical Examining Board

Department of Regulation and Licensing

Tom H. Ryan, MPA, JD, Bureau Director

1400 E. Washington Ave.

Madison, WI 53703

(60 266-2112 / Fax60 261-7083

Complaints Toll Free: (877) 617-1565

Three names so far:

James H. Shropshire licensed

Hannah M. Keevil licensed

Bernard F. Micke licensed

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 08:34 PM (OKZrE)

200 The Left is shrill for another reason. Obama, for a lot of reasons, is arguably the worst president we've ever had.And they know it. Nothing's going his way. His few accomplishments are unraveling. He's being pwned by world leaders.
It's tough to shill for a loser.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:34 PM (BvBKY)

201 Teachers AWOL from school? When I was a student I got in trouble for that.

Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 08:35 PM (YxGud)

202
Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:32 PM (zxpIo)

I'm sure. I'm just worried that you'll kick my ass on the golf course! ;-p

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:35 PM (/izg2)

203 Don't strap me into nothing! I
got a a Camaro and I strap myself in just fine...like the clear Carolina
Blue sky today. If God is not a Tarheel, why was the sky today
Carolina Blue?


Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:34 PM

It's only because I love the Camaro and feel a horrible conflict that they're built by Obama Motors that I'm not going to jump on your shit for that

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:36 PM (vdfwz)

204 So strange.

smiley face is actually an "8"

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 08:36 PM (OKZrE)

205 187
I still hate Bush!

Posted by: Ghost of Sadam Hussien at February 19, 2011 08:28 PM (zVOB7)

Hey how's your head?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 08:36 PM (eCAn3)

206 Three names so far:
James H. Shropshire licensed
Hannah M. Keevil licensed
Bernard F. Micke licensed
Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 08:34 PM (OKZrE)
Should do some left tactics on them....absolutely FLOOD their office with 'new patients'

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 19, 2011 08:37 PM (FIDMq)

207 It's only because I love the Camaro and feel a
horrible conflict that they're built by Obama Motors that I'm not going
to jump on your shit for that

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:36 PM (vdfwz)

Mine's a '98. Long before GMObama Motors took effect. Although my gas mileage sucks, I wonder if anyone will address the issue of $3.50/gallon gas. Not like its important you know.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:38 PM (/izg2)

208 We took this country down for TRILLION$$$$ and you twerps are blaming unions. I'm lighting another Havana in honor of your stupidity!

Posted by: TBTF Bankster at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (v4oKp)

209 $3.50/gallon gas. Not like its important you know.
Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:38 PM (/izg2)
What, gas prices have gone up? Damn the long arm of the Bush Regime

Posted by: MFM at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (FIDMq)

210 Don't think gas is included in the CPI; therefore, it must not be important!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (DCpHZ)

211 I'm sure. I'm just worried that you'll kick my ass on the golf course! ;-p


Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:35 PM (/izg2)
I never keep score . . . for some reason, I just never gave a shit. You bring the beer, you win.

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:40 PM (zxpIo)

212 I'm sure. I'm just worried that you'll kick my ass on the golf course! ;-p
Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:35 PM (/izg2)
It's not that you lose on the golf course, it'sthatyou got good and liquored up while whacking the white ball around and having a good time! I usually don't remember much past the 9th hole. Just keep the drinks flowin!

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 08:40 PM (Mv/2X)

213 We took this country down for TRILLION$$$$ and you twerps are blaming unions.
Every journey begins with a single step.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:40 PM (BvBKY)

214 The Left knows it's now or never.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:41 PM (VmVG3)

215 Posted by: TBTF Bankster at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (v4oKp)
Think you are right on regarding the real problems:

#1 is financier/bankster fraud
#2 is criminality of the ruling class
#3 is unions

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (DCpHZ)

216 I'm baaack....from making pork chops saltimbocca (stuffed with fontina, fresh sage, and proscuitto) served with sauteed spinach with garlic and roasted cauliflower.

D'oh's doing the damned Atkins again.

Is HeatherRadish back yet? *rubs hands together in anticipation*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (UOM48)

217 Mine's a '98. NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:38 PM (/izg2)
To me, that generation of Camaros was the best looking ever.

Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (1F/m8)

218 We and the Democrats took this country down for TRILLION$$$$ and you twerps are blaming unions. I'm lighting another Havana in honor of your stupidity!
Posted by: TBTF Bankster at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (v4oKp)

FIFY

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (VmVG3)

219 I never keep score . . . for some reason, I just never gave a shit. You bring the beer, you win.
What about if I bring the hookers?

Posted by: Tiger Woods at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (BvBKY)

220 From Daily Caller:


MADISON, Wisc. — Police officers in Madison detained and subsequently
released a labor union operative who attempted, somewhat successfully,
to destroy the speaker system at the Tea Party counter rally Saturday.

Police would not release the name of the man, or any more details,
but eyewitnesses told The Daily Caller he ripped the wiring out of
several different speaker systems. Part of the sound system went out for
about five minutes.

When a Tea Partier, Luke Bacher, confronted the man ripping the
speaker wiring out, Bacher said the man physically assaulted him. That
caused police to get involved and detain the union operative.
--------------

Video at link but it's mostly after the fact video. Police taking him away.
http://tinyurl.com/47y3z2l

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 08:43 PM (VuLos)

221 214 The Left knows it's now or never.
Posted by: emaneople's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:41 PM (VmVG3)
Yep, they fall here, the ball will start rolling. Any wordon Ohio's progress?

Posted by: MFM at February 19, 2011 08:43 PM (FIDMq)

222 Oh, today I saw regular down the street (at the ripoff station just at the end of the freeway ramp) for $3.85. The cheapgas on the other corner was $3.45. I saw others for $3.65.

But, I remember a few years ago, when I had to use the hi-test in my infiniti, I was paying 5 bucks a gallon. It is what it is. You fill your tank, you drive where you need to go. I don't log enough miles to get too worked up about it, but I do feel bad for the folks with the 50 mile one-way daily commutes. It's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (zxpIo)

223 Using "twerps" pegs your age, troll.

Unless it is making a comeback among the yoots.

Posted by: eman:People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (VmVG3)

224 Yo Amish-

Re: pro-bono work... in point of fact, my father (a very accomplished ear, nose, and throat surgeon) does a significant number of pro-bono surgeries annually BECAUSE HE CAN.

Love ya, bro, but that "docs don't work pro bono" line is bullshit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (WRtsc)

225 I feel like a beached whale. I ate til I was ready to pop last night then another dinner out tonight. Oy vey... but damn, it was good food!!

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 08:45 PM (Z71Vg)

226 Yo Amish-



Re: pro-bono work... in point of fact, my father (a very accomplished
ear, nose, and throat surgeon) does a significant number of pro-bono
surgeries annually BECAUSE HE CAN.



Love ya, bro, but that "docs don't work pro bono" line is bullshit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (WRtsc)
He's going after Indian chiefs next.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 08:46 PM (VuLos)

227 feel bad for the folks with the 50 mile one-way daily commutes. It's gonna leave a mark.
Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (zxpIo)
High speed rail anyone?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 19, 2011 08:46 PM (y67bA)

228 --There was a small band of high school students, in obviously high
spirits because of their extra long weekend, jumping around and waving
signs saying “Support Worker Rights.” They were accompanied by a few
older people, teachers I assume, holding similar signs.
This is what struck me: it was rush hour, plenty of cars were going past
and during the course of 15 or 20 minutes or so, I didn’t hear one
single honk of support from any passing cars.

The idiot kids are just lucky that no Egyptian cab drivers happened by ... though all the Egyptians are at the Capital, trying to defend their right to live in the third world.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 08:46 PM (N49h9)

229 208
We took this country down for TRILLION$$$$ and you twerps are blaming
unions. I'm lighting another Havana in honor of your stupidity!

Posted by: TBTF Bankster at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM

If I mistook you as a serious person rather than a troll who gets his "facts" off the back bumper of a Prius in Berkeley, I'd debate your post

But since I don't, how was that planet the aliens took you to? Does Obamacare cover the alien examinations?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (vdfwz)

230 What's with all the BS about "eliminating collective bargaining rights?"
Sounds too much likeunion-driven sloganeering bullshit, (which is all the MFM will spew, of course) and people have got to stop taking it at face value. Never take their slogans at face value! Here'sa clip of thesummary from the WI state website:
---------Collective bargaining – The bill would make various changes to limit collective bargaining for most public employees to wages. Total wage increases could not exceed a cap based on the consumer price index (CPI) unless approved by referendum. Contracts would be limited to one year and wages would be frozen until the new contract is settled. Collective bargaining units are required to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union. Employers would be prohibited from collecting union dues and members of collective bargaining units would not be required to pay dues. These changes take effect upon the expiration of existing contracts. Local law enforcement and fire employees, and state troopers and inspectors would be exempt from these changes.-----------
I haven't read the actual text of the legislation, but I doubt it varies much from this, and this...this is pure poetry and should be adopted nationwide with respect to union certification, contract negotiation,and dues collection.
So there, that's my 2 cents.

Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (0GpN4)

231 It's not that you lose on the
golf course, it'sthatyou got good and liquored up while whacking the
white ball around and having a good time! I usually don't remember
much past the 9th hole. Just keep the drinks flowin!

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 08:40 PM (Mv/2X)
That's what I'm sayin'!! Where else can you drink beer at 7 o'clock in the morning and no one looks askance. To me, that is the beauty of golf . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (zxpIo)

232 I never keep score . . . for some reason, I just never gave a shit. You bring the beer, you win.


Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:40 PM (zxpIo)

Honestly, I do OK out there. But I would much rather spend my time on the course with someone who enjoys it regardless of where the ball goes, instead of some jackass who can shoot a 75 but bitches about an 81.And yeah, I'll bring the beer!

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (/izg2)

233 Most police departments are unionized so don't count on them to ever file charges against union operatives.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (7XP0/)

234 Mine's a '98. Long before GMObama Motors took effect. Although my gas mileage sucks, I wonder if anyone will address the issue of $3.50/gallon gas. Not like its important you know.
Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:38 PM (/izg2)
Get a wideband O2 sensor and an SAFC-2 or similar plugin-tuning device, you can leave everything normal but for part-throttle cruise.I know people for whom it saved enough money to pay for itself, but admittedly it's not a large mileage savings 2-3 average MPG (5-6+ at part-throttle cruise).Sometimes a good tuneup will boost you a couple MPGs. And gain a few lost hp while you're at it.Cleaning the injectors and intake tract can sometimes help as well. If tuned properly, the LS1 can get pretty good mileage.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (bxiXv)

235 Re: pro-bono work... in point of fact, my father (a very accomplished ear, nose, and throat surgeon) does a significant number of pro-bono surgeries annually BECAUSE HE CAN. Love ya, bro, but that "docs don't work pro bono" line is bullshit.
Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:44 PM (WRtsc)
How does the AMA feel about it? I know they aren't crazy about house calls...or statehouse calls.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (BvBKY)

236 Divot on 235.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (BvBKY)

237 I don't log enough miles to get too worked up about it, but I do feel bad for the folks with the 50 mile one-way daily commutes. It's gonna leave a mark.
It's $3.05 a gallon here. I'm like you, lucky enough to live 5 miles from work, so yeah it's gonna pinch a little, but many people I know drive 30-50 miles round trip a day for their job. But, of course everything else is going up in price because of the cost of shipping etc.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (Z71Vg)

238 Actually, I am in Shorewood, and drove past that gaggle, yesterday, as well.

If the Libs are losing the Northshore Nancys... they have BIG trouble!


Posted by: Travis Lee at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (+fzgc)

239 220
From Daily Caller:MADISON, Wisc. — Police officers in Madison detained and subsequently
released a labor union operative who attempted, somewhat successfully,
to destroy the speaker system at the Tea Party counter rally Saturday.
Police would not release the name of the man, or any more details,
but eyewitnesses told The Daily Caller he ripped the wiring out of
several different speaker systems. Part of the sound system went out for
about five minutes.
When a Tea Partier, Luke Bacher, confronted the man ripping the
speaker wiring out, Bacher said the man physically assaulted him. That
caused police to get involved and detain the union operative.

We have goons like this show up at our rallies and yell "F--k you!!!!" and steal our signs. One of the worst was a rally last year where a number of military wives and kids attended. The libtards screamed, yelled, and even turned up their music to drown us out. Because they're all for free speech and peace and love and stuff.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (UOM48)

240 Where else can you drink beer at 7 o'clock in the morning and no one looks askance. To me, that is the beauty of golf . . .


Not that I didn't think so anyways, but we're gonna get along just fine!

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (/izg2)

241 208
We took this country down for TRILLION$$$$ and you twerps are blaming
unions. I'm lighting another Havana in honor of your stupidity!

Posted by: TBTF Bankster at February 19, 2011 08:39 PM (v4oKp)

Unlike you, we can do math.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (eCAn3)

242 Oh. Hooray!

I , personally have been scared shit-less out of visiting my local Cold Stone Creamery because of what Obama and Grijalva, Giffords and Duppnik told me was true....

Really?

If I am too tanned I can get deported, no trial , no hearing no fucking fact-finding?

SRSLY?!

You are a lunatic

I'm kind of Mexicanish looking by way of, I dunno, 280 odd years of ancestors washing up on these shores from the dregs of Scotland (Forbes clan.!)

So, what?

I mostly don't buy Ice Cream in Tucson nowadays because I hate Obama and because I fear being deported.

Obviously, my ancestors were not too fucking picky when it came down to hawtness!

Sure, sure... I may have missed out on the boobehs (I'm told it can skip a generation) but I sure as shit got these "exotic" fucking cheekbones and this amazing ass from somewhere!

(I'm guessing Ohio. Sometime around 1830. We get all German and Methodisty about that point but after then with shit-tonnes of bigamy we "conquered the frontier". )

Mostly, by recklessly starting fires if County Records in Marshal Illinois are to be believed!


Posted by: Deety at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (Jb3+B)

243 Gov. Walker's FB feed 2min ago:
"Democracy requires one to be in the arena. Senate Democrats need to remember that the arena is in Madison, not Rockford."

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (yfJ6g)

244 Plus the fact that people had to scramble to find childcare the last
several days can't be sitting well with people who actually showed up
for their jobs.

Yep. So much for the romanticism of the teacher as dedicated public servant; committed to the education of her pupils, devoted to the crafting of great citizens.

plllffftt!

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (piMMO)

245 The most pathetic justification for this crap in Madison is the babbling about work conditions from 100 years ago. It is okay for teachers to put kids out of the classroom because there was child labor a hundred years ago. I'm not laying down like a doormat to a bunch of spoiled brat teachers because conditions were bad a hundred years ago.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2011 08:50 PM (dGBUK)

246 Hi all, I've been a regular reader of AoS now for several years, stop by a couple times a day at least, but this is my first post. I'm a proud conservative Cheesehead and figure I'd chime in a bit.
From what I have been noticing the last couple days is that as long as Walker hangs in there the public is with him for the most part. I've got a pretty good cross-section of friends, co-workers, family that I have been speaking, in some case arguing with for a couple days now and the majority are coming out big for Walker, even my typically Democrat parents are with Walker on this.
The difference is its a union thing, here in Wisconsin the unions really aren't over popular with us typical working class types. One of the things my wife first noted when she moved here 8 years ago from Lake County, Illinois, upon marrying me was the near absence of unionization. The bulk of us are non-union, have never been big on support for pampered union crybabies, and certainly not overly sympathetic to this recent situation. Quite alot of us, just flat out hate unions and the gouging they stand for, many of us have had bad experiences with them as well.
Walker has got this one and we hope to God he stands his ground. Been pretty damn proud of the man I voted for so far. Let the squatter in the White House and his ilk send Jesse "never let a good media opportunity go to waste" Jackson and bus in their agitators, its not changing our minds one bit....tell em to buy a t-shirt on the way out, may as well bag some tourism dollars off em.

Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)

247 @Tiger Woods-

Who gives a shit what the AMA says? No doc I know does, nor do my profs waiting on me in med school. Granted, I'll be in school in flyover country (KC area), but all the same...

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (WRtsc)

248 To me, that is the beauty of golf . . .
Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (zxpIo)
Well, not all of the beauty...

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (y67bA)

249 BTW- this was the third restaurant I used my e cig and no one said anything. In fact our waiter was really interested in it and wanted more info, so I gave him the website to go to.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (Z71Vg)

250 Remember when the trolls would start with something innocent, lead up, and try (badly) to twist things into some kind of confused argument, rather than just busting through the screen and laying a deuce on the carpet?

Good times, good times.

I guess things are hard even for the trolls hired by community activists on craigslist. You know "$$ posting on the internets!" What, you thought that was an honest spamming job?

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (bxiXv)

251 Cleaning the injectors and intake tract can sometimes help as well. If tuned properly, the LS1 can get pretty good mileage.


Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (bxiXv)

Sir Merovign, I'd like some more of your thoughts 'cause I drive a lotta fkn miles. And I love my car and don't want to get something else.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (/izg2)

252 My elderly neighbor was just asking me if I'd notice the sudden, sharp increase in grocery prices. Of course, I don't buy enough actual groceries to notice, but he said he buys the same stuff every week and it's just skyrocketing. I don't know whether that's a function of increased fuel prices or not -- most of it's trucked, so that makes sense, but I keep reading that it's a global thing, so I don't know.

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM (zxpIo)

253 Yep. So much for the romanticism of the teacher as
dedicated public servant; committed to the education of her pupils,
devoted to the crafting of great citizens.plllffftt!

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (piMMO)
That fantasy disappeared in a puff of smoke a long time ago. Back in the 70's, teachers were striking all over the place and many schools had to run the term through the summer to make up for all the lost days.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM (N49h9)

254 What's happening in WI, TN, and Ohio is damn important as it is putting the spendocrats and their enablers on the run. Yeah, those spineless mouth holsters of cock in the US House are so far coming up way short but I just can't put my 'O' face on over it. The states stuff may even help stiffen their spines up all the way to jello level.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM (h0RtZ)

255 Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)

Welcome!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (UOM48)

256 Hey, Gicod-

Thanks for checking in, and please, keep letting us hear from you! We're glad you're here.

Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of lube- it can chafe a bit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)

257 My wife is a teacher in MI, and is greatly embarassed by this, unfortunate for the good teachers out there that get lumped in with these dilusional, greedy sobs

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (FIDMq)

258 of course this is blowing up in the unions' faces. when joe kline of all people says your in the wrong and libs start getting annoyed of their kids not going to school and show sympathy for a rep gov, this is going to blow back at you. there's a reason public union strikes/protests tend to always lead to negative attention for the unions. w/ only 11% of public union membership in the workforce and a governor that was elected w/ 54% of the vote, in a state that went to Obama w/ 56% of the vote only to dissapprove of him in state polls regarding him, the people aren't going to be in the side of the money grubbers.
it's funny that Ed SChultz is over w/ the protesters at the union rallies and getting mad when people call them freeloaders. hello Ed?

Posted by: YRM (Rarest Ace Commenter, Most Common Ace Reader) at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (4VSAo)

259 Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (DCpHZ)

All those issues are one and the same; Corruption.

Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (YxGud)

260 Thanks, Gicod.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (r+kGG)

261 Who gives a shit what the AMA says? No doc I know does, nor do my profs waiting on me in med school. Granted, I'll be in school in flyover country (KC area), but all the same...
Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (WRtsc)
True, but it tends to reinforce my view that the medical establishment will not hesitate to go after these rogue doctors, politics or not.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:54 PM (BvBKY)

262 Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)
Note that it is ALL out of state types now grabbing the microphone to protest this (Jackson, MSNBC, Obama, etc). The actual Democrats there that should be there are off looking up kilts at the Tilted Kilt in IL. Nothing will piss off the locals more than when outsiders meddle in their business.

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 08:54 PM (BuYeH)

263 Look four teh Yooyin Labell!!

Posted by: eman: United People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (VmVG3)

264 Walker has got this one and we hope to God he
stands his ground. Been pretty damn proud of the man I voted for so
far. Let the squatter in the White House and his ilk send Jesse "never
let a good media opportunity go to waste" Jackson and bus in their
agitators, its not changing our minds one bit....tell em to buy a
t-shirt on the way out, may as well bag some tourism dollars off em.


Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)


Thank you! We love on the scene reports.


Speakin' of which, Heather? Heather? Think she's been arrested?

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (VuLos)

265 How does the AMA feel about it? I know they aren't crazy about house calls...or statehouse calls.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM

The same AMA that whored themselves in appearing with King Barry to support Obamacare?

You tell me

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (vdfwz)

266 All those issues are one and the same; Corruption.


Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (YxGud)
Tru dat!Still wonder about the "our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" thing. Whatever happened to that?

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (DCpHZ)

267 252
My elderly neighbor was just asking me if I'd notice the sudden, sharp
increase in grocery prices. Of course, I don't buy enough actual
groceries to notice, but he said he buys the same stuff every week and
it's just skyrocketing. I don't know whether that's a function of
increased fuel prices or not -- most of it's trucked, so that makes
sense, but I keep reading that it's a global thing, so I don't know.


Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM (zxpIo)

Yeah, prices are going up. I cook nearly every night, fresh veggies, etc. Beck said this week that the orange growers in FL are saying in the near future orange juice will be a "luxury" item. Thank goodness for our own orange and lemon trees.At least our kid isn't eating us out of house and home. The military is feeding his bottomless pit tummy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (UOM48)

268 To me, that generation of Camaros was the best looking ever.
Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2011 08:42 PM (1F/m

Me too. Which made me wonder why they changed up the design...though the new one is pretty cool too. I'd love to be able to upgrade my interior to the new style!

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (/izg2)

269 Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)

That post is a beautiful thing, Gicod. [and congrats on your Superbowl win] Please make de-lurking a regular occurrence! ';-)

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (zxpIo)

270 btw call me crazy but what happens here could determine if WI goes red or blue; we can afford to lose the state, Obama cannot

Posted by: YRM (Rarest Ace Commenter, Most Common Ace Reader) at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (4VSAo)

271 Gee, thanks, rdbrewer.

"Go on down. Go on down, get in the middle of that crowd. Go on down, talk to some people. Go on down there, get some more news"

Well, I would, but there was no crowd to get in the middle of today - not in Milwaukee. I would have liked to have attended the Tea Party rally in Madison today, but some family business kept me in Milwaukee. I didn't see anybody waving signs this afternoon.

Of course, many of the state's moonbats were off in Madison today, but still - you'd think there would still be enough around to throw some little mini-demo in the vicinity of UW-Milwaukee. The East Side of Milwaukee, is, after all, Wisconsin's most left-wing area outside of Madison. I haven't even seen any "Kill the Bill" or "Walker is a dictator" signs in people's front windows. Hell, I still see "Obama/Biden" signs around here (and a completely stoned and befuddled idiot who lives a couple of blocks away still has a dusty "Kerry/Edwards" signs in their window. It also looks like there are about 40 cats living in that house.)

I've got a good feeling about this one. The left has been doing what it does the best - pitch hissy fits - but Walker and the GOP legislators have the wind at their backs.

God, it's great to have a grown-up with big stainless steel cojones running the state again.

Posted by: Donna V. at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (2P3zt)

272 Video: Union thug tries to disable tea party sound system and is detained by police

Posted by: newser at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (gpcoX)

273 You tell me
Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (vdfwz)
I think they'll cut these doctors loose. Probably will lose their licenses for at least some time.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:57 PM (BvBKY)

274 Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for
your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of
lube- it can chafe a bit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)

That must be a hockey thing!

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:57 PM (/izg2)

275 249 BTW- this was the third restaurant I used my e cig and no one said anything. In fact our waiter was really interested in it and wanted more info, so I gave him the website to go to.
Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (Z71Vg)
Still going strong on the no smoking? Good on ya! I quit 1.5 years ago but I'm still vapin' away on the e-cig. Do at work all the time. Even got a bunch of my fellow sailors to quit and most started up with the e-cig and now we're trading e-juice recipes and flavors. I still love that Tiramisu flavored vape for the after dinner toke.

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 08:58 PM (Mv/2X)

276 Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for
your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of
lube- it can chafe a bit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)

Who's in charge of the gift basket? Is there still a gift card in it for hobo skin boots?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:58 PM (UOM48)

277 Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (DCpHZ)

Same issue, just Moral and Spiritual Corruption.

Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 08:58 PM (YxGud)

278 272 Video: Union thug tries to disable tea party sound system and is detained by police

Just like Forrest Gump.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 08:59 PM (BvBKY)

279 >>In fact our waiter was really interested in it and wanted more info, so I gave him the website to go to.

Me too. Do tell.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 19, 2011 08:59 PM (TMB3S)

280 Hey, Donna's here! You make me feel better about things. Once WI goes, other states will be easier.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (r+kGG)

281 God, it's great to have a grown-up with big stainless steel cojones running the state again.
Posted by: Donna V. at February 19, 2011 08:56 PM (2P3zt)
Amen. Need many, many more like this. Kinda funny to compare how Teh Ahnuld turned out compared to Gov's like this that have done more for their states in their first 2 months than he did in years!

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (cqZXM)

282 The same AMA that whored themselves in appearing with King Barry to support Obamacare?

You tell me

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 08:55 PM (vdfwz)
The AMA didn't whore themselves. That organization has long had a hard-on for socialism.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (N49h9)

283 252
My elderly neighbor was just asking me if I'd notice the sudden, sharp
increase in grocery prices. Of course, I don't buy enough actual
groceries to notice, but he said he buys the same stuff every week and
it's just skyrocketing. I don't know whether that's a function of
increased fuel prices or not -- most of it's trucked, so that makes
sense, but I keep reading that it's a global thing, so I don't know.
It's stagflation baby.

Inflation + high unemployment.

Posted by: shibumi at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (OKZrE)

284 Got the funniest damn robocall at the shop today. Customer said he got the same one last night at home. Caller says: This is a notification of an APB that has been issued for Senator Dave Hansen. If you see him or know of his whereabouts, please contact the Wisconsin State Police at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Apparently, they are calling every home in the Dem Senators districts.

Posted by: DailyDish at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (+5yI+)

285
Same issue, just Moral and Spiritual Corruption.


Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 08:58 PM (YxGud)
Or as Kratos would say, Decadence.

Posted by: Holger at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (YxGud)

286 Heh. Law Order Los Angeles has some sort of "aggro-surfer" show going. LOL.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 09:01 PM (/izg2)

287 Got the funniest damn robocall at the shop today.
Customer said he got the same one last night at home. Caller says: This
is a notification of an APB that has been issued for Senator Dave
Hansen. If you see him or know of his whereabouts, please contact the
Wisconsin State Police at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Apparently, they are calling
every home in the Dem Senators districts.

Posted by: DailyDish at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (+5yI+)
HAHAHAHA! That's a hoot.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 09:02 PM (VuLos)

288 252
My elderly neighbor was just asking me if I'd notice the sudden, sharp
increase in grocery prices. Of course, I don't buy enough actual
groceries to notice, but he said he buys the same stuff every week and
it's just skyrocketing. I don't know whether that's a function of
increased fuel prices or not -- most of it's trucked, so that makes
sense, but I keep reading that it's a global thing, so I don't know.


Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM

I broker trucks and loads, and the fuel prices kill the margins. I'm having a hard time finding reefers that will take loads into California even if they're based there. Add to that the new emissions laws that went into effect the first of the year, and some CAN'T go there because they're not compliant and won't spend the money to make their rigs compliant

As for global food inflation, productive acreage is being diverted to corn for ethanol. But it saves the planet if it makes those in the 3rd World any happier

Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2011 09:02 PM (vdfwz)

289 Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of lube- it can chafe a bit.
Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)

And definitely do some stretching and warm-up exercises.

Posted by: eman: United People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 09:02 PM (VmVG3)

290
We're going to hear/see Teh Evul Karl Rove!!111!!!! Bush's Brain!!11!!! tomorrow at the Savannah Book Festival.

I'm more excited about walking through the libtard student hordes than anything.

D'oh's cousin is friends with Rove. They worked together in the Bush WH.

Oh, here's a precious tidbit from the local paper's Vox Populi:

Bill Ayers is our anti-Rove! Karl Rove shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets! He's a war criminal!


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 09:03 PM (UOM48)

291 Well.....one positive.........Obama now probably won't pick Wisconsin to win the NCAA tournament....which means they have a chance.

Posted by: Zach Greinke's Bobblehead f/k/a Mallamutt at February 19, 2011 09:03 PM (OWjjx)

292 There was some site, I forgot where,that hadthe milk carton up with the missing Democrat Senators on it. I gotta find the link to it.

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 09:04 PM (y67bA)

293 Wondering... Does the fact that the dem are missing invalidate all rule and law making? If not, is it not time to get busy passing as many as possible other rules or laws the dems might dislike. ...Hold a vote on something that will force the dems to come back, or a law that makes it illegal to leave the state to intentionally scuttle a vote, or make a law/rule that waives/adjusts the quorm requirements if legislators refuse to attend the vote when it's know they are able to do so...

I'm sure there are limitations to what they can do, but they should do everything they legally can to increase the price the dems pay for abdicating their responsibilities.

Posted by: chuck at February 19, 2011 09:04 PM (UN+o2)

294 Posted by: Gicod at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (UEhLw)
There are many great guys here, so don't feel you have to meet everyone.We just want you to enjoy yourselves while you're here.

Gicod, I’d like you to meet Mohammet... Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton. Grab a seat and make yourselves at home. Don't be shy about helping yourselves to punch and cookies.

Posted by: Guy Who Posts Lines From Animal House or Blazing Saddles In Response To Everything at February 19, 2011 09:04 PM (jpUgO)

295 Amish-

Again, love ya, bro.

The medical establishment I know and am proud to soon be a part of is made up almost exclusively of individualists. We/they back up our bros as long as they're not doing risky or stupid stuff.

The whole thing about it is, making house calls that you don't bill for is the same kind of thing as stopping and rendering aid at an accident. You don't do it laboring under the delusion you're going to get paid for it- you just kind of follow your conscience.

With the house calls I'm familiar with, they usually happen with long-time patients or friends of the family. That said, I've known my father to do simple stuff in the office that isn't worth billing for- good business makes good friends, and vice versa. You help build the trust bridge between patients and docs that way, and even the MDs, DOs, and nursing crew who read here (AFAIK) will cheerfully tell you that we in medicine do a lot of clean-up work for some of our less people-oriented colleagues.

That doesn't mean we're going to do in-home surgery under anesthesia, mind you... but I've watched my father stitch up wounds at home and the like. That's a good way to save a few hundred bucks at the ER, and as an ER worker, believe you me, we're not going to miss the traffic.

Just for what that's worth...

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 09:05 PM (WRtsc)

296 Still going strong on the no smoking? Good on ya! I quit 1.5 years ago but I'm still vapin' away on the e-cig. Do at work all the time. Even got a bunch of my fellow sailors to quit and most started up with the e-cig and now we're trading e-juice recipes and flavors. I still love that Tiramisu flavored vape for the after dinner toke..
Yeah, 35 days. I broke down once, when hubby told me about the cancer. I had one. Went in the bathroom and cried and smoked (not a good combo). Where do you get the tiramisu flavor?

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:06 PM (Z71Vg)

297 They should make a video of some dude dressed as Elvis swearing he saw a Democrat State Senator run by him and disappear into the woods.

Posted by: eman: United People's Front of Wisconsin at February 19, 2011 09:06 PM (VmVG3)

298 Sir Merovign, I'd like some more
of your thoughts 'cause I drive a lotta fkn miles. And I love my car
and don't want to get something else.


Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 08:51 PM (/izg2)
You can search online for "LS1 gas mileage" to look for some tips.Tuneup, cleaning things like injectors, intake help restore new performance. New high-quality plugs and wires (you're due for plug wires if you haven't replaced them yet) are important.People think they save gas by not modifying the car, that's only partly true. Freeing up restrictions can improve mileage (intake, exhaust), and while it's true that the average aftermarket computer is tuned for MORE POWAH, they can also sometimes be tuned for better mileage while losing little, if any, performance.My BMW gained 18 hp and 2mpg with its computer upgrade, but I had to switch to premium gas. It was worth it. 16% improved mileage with about 4% increase in cost per gallon - saved money.IIRC there is a plug-in tuner for LS1 cars that can switch between performance and mileage modes, but I have no idea what it's called, sorry. I'll try to remember to tell you if I figure it out.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (bxiXv)

299 Hi everyone

Madison rally was awesome (of course, I left after the speakers left and did not stay to watch or engage the zombies shuffling around the Capitol square with their pre-printed signs and tired Hitler analogies). Had a great time, everyone on my bus was awesome.

I've just sent my official report to Dave In Texas. Now I'm labeling my photos.

Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (nAOMZ)

300 There is no core inflation you damn wingnuts! Pinkie swear.

Posted by: CPI SpinMeister at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (h0RtZ)

301 Smithers...release the hounds...they will find those missing scallawags.

Posted by: The Obligatory Montgomery Burns post at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (OWjjx)

302 293--without a quorum, about all they can do is recess or adjourn

Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (0GpN4)

303 That fantasy disappeared in a puff of smoke a long time ago. Back in
the 70's, teachers were striking all over the place and many schools had
to run the term through the summer to make up for all the lost days.

In the 70's, the county I live in actually lost accreditation. There were kids graduating who couldn't even read their own diploma.

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (piMMO)

304 NC Ref- nah, that's a rugby thing. Those guys are CRAZY. They're crazier than lacrosse players.

Dish- That. Call. Is. Awesome.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 09:08 PM (WRtsc)

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2011 09:08 PM (GZitp)

306 Yeah, 35 days. I broke down once,
when hubby told me about the cancer. I had one. Went in the bathroom
and cried and smoked (not a good combo). Where do you get the tiramisu
flavor?

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:06 PM (Z71Vg)

Keeping you and your husband in my prayers, jewells45. I know how tough it is to be a caregiver to an elderly parent. Your job must be way tougher. Take care of yourself (way easier said than done, I know).{{hugs}}

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 09:08 PM (UOM48)

307 Does the fact that the dem are missing invalidate all rule and law making?

They only need a quorum for budget stuff. I really want that "most restrictive in the nation" voter ID bill taken up immediately, followed by concealed carry (nothing like threats to your family to make you see the need to allow it, eh? Thanks, goons!)

Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:09 PM (nAOMZ)

308 She Lives!!!!!

299
Hi everyone

Madison
rally was awesome (of course, I left after the speakers left and did
not stay to watch or engage the zombies shuffling around the Capitol
square with their pre-printed signs and tired Hitler analogies). Had a
great time, everyone on my bus was awesome.

I've just sent my official report to Dave In Texas. Now I'm labeling my photos.


Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (nAOMZ)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 09:09 PM (UOM48)

309 The Union protests
For goverment privilege
Sack the f*cking lot

Posted by: Fritz at February 19, 2011 09:10 PM (/8mBu)

310 Posted by: DailyDish at February 19, 2011 09:00 PM (+5yI+)

Major awesomeness in that post, DD!! And, CDR M, milk cartons? Love it!!

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 09:10 PM (zxpIo)

311 Where do you get the tiramisu flavor?
Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:06 PM (Z71Vg)
I got it at Totally Wicked but AI don't think they carry it anymore. I might have to mix up my own batch next time with the coffee and chocolate flavors.

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 09:11 PM (cqZXM)

312 I've just sent my official report to Dave In Texas. Now I'm labeling my photos.

Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:07 PM (nAOMZ)
Oh thank God! We were starting to collect bail money for you.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 09:12 PM (VuLos)

313 Great report Heather. Thanks!

Posted by: jcjimi at February 19, 2011 09:12 PM (9a7C/)

314 Thank you Jane. He had a rough night last night, the medicine is kicking his ass, but I guess that's a good thing. Hopefully it's working. I truly appreciate the prayers.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:12 PM (Z71Vg)

315 When a Tea Partier, Luke Bacher, confronted the man ripping the speaker wiring out, Bacher said the man physically assaulted him. That caused police to get involved and detain the union operative.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 08:48 PM (UOM4
And then they let him go. Because, you know, he's a Democrat, and laws don't apply to him.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:12 PM (bxiXv)

316 I'm having a hard time finding reefers that will take loads into
California even if they're based there. Add to that the new emissions
laws that went into effect the first of the year, and some CAN'T go
there because they're not compliant and won't spend the money to make
their rigs compliant

And add to that that they have let 1/3 of the San Jouaquin Valley go to dust to save a freaking minuscule fish, and there is huge trouble on the horison.

Posted by: MissTammy at February 19, 2011 09:13 PM (BebB7)

317 314
Thank you Jane. He had a rough night last night, the medicine is
kicking his ass, but I guess that's a good thing. Hopefully it's
working. I truly appreciate the prayers.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:12 PM (Z71Vg)
Me too! As someone mired in the medical system, be active in the process, it helps everything. At first you don't know what to do, but you learn all sorts of things and it feels better to be doing something than just experiencing it.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:14 PM (bxiXv)

318 I got it at Totally Wicked but AI don't think they carry it anymore. I might have to mix up my own batch next time with the coffee and chocolate flavors.
That's where we get our stuff. Hmm, will have to check it out. I usually let my husband do all the ordering and we haven't ordered any flavors yet. I think I could dig the chocolate flavor.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:15 PM (Z71Vg)

319 Add to that the new emissions laws that went into effect the first of
the year, and some CAN'T go there because they're not compliant and
won't spend the money to make their rigs compliant

I've screamed to the heavens, fired off emails to Rush, Beck, Boortz...you name it, begging them to expose CARB and their Hoffa ties for what they are. How in the hell can the motive be so obvious and the yacksters not give two shits about it? Seriously....two friggin years I've been beating this horse.

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 09:15 PM (piMMO)

320 304
NC Ref- nah, that's a rugby thing.

Yeah for reals. All the rugby players are fkn crazy! But the stories are funny as hell.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 09:15 PM (/izg2)

321 without a quorum, about all they can do is recess or adjourn

Have I been lied to?

OK, when they get back together, those are the next things I want them to take up.

She Lives!!!!!

I'm trying to find myself in this photo.

Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:16 PM (nAOMZ)

322 I've screamed to the heavens, fired off emails to Rush, Beck, Boortz...you name it, begging them to expose CARB and their Hoffa ties for what they are. How in the hell can the motive be so obvious and the yacksters not give two shits about it? Seriously....two friggin years I've been beating this horse.
Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 09:15 PM (piMMO)
I've found that, nationally speaking, people would rather use California as a bad example than help anyone trying to fix it.Kind Of Pisses Me Off, but then you all knew that already.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:17 PM (bxiXv)

323 Yep. So much for the romanticism of the teacher as
dedicated public servant; committed to the education of her pupils,
devoted to the crafting of great citizens.plllffftt!

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 08:49 PM (piMMO)
That
fantasy disappeared in a puff of smoke a long time ago. Back in the
70's, teachers were striking all over the place and many schools had to
run the term through the summer to make up for all the lost days.


Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 08:52 PM (N49h9)

Was this ever really true (as in, not for the top teachers, but en masse)? I don't mean to single out teachers--the idea of a noble, dedicated professional (above self-interest and ambition) was just as widespread in being applied to scientists, politicians, journalists, judges, etc. It was equally absurd to assume all those other people lacked the petty traits of the rest of humanity. For a while, teachers striking in New York became an annual ritual until Giuliani made it clear he didn't give a s--t. Nothing has changed. People are just being more blunt about it.

Posted by: AD at February 19, 2011 09:17 PM (9r1ux)

324 Re: The "Comedy Central" people, nothing is more irritating than someone who admits they're ignorant and don't take facts seriously, and then gets personally angry at you over a dispute.
This reminds me of a (mercifully brief) conversation I had years ago with ayoung college teacheronline who said that he got his "news" from watching "The Daily Show". When the moderator of the forum tactfully tried to explain to him that "The Daily Show" isn't, you know, an actual news program, the guy insisted that it was. Thediscussion quickly went downhill from there.
Remember that episode of "Seinfeld" in which Jerry and George areat the diner in the midst of a dumbverbal exchange and right in the middle of it Jerry puts his head in his hands in exasperation, looks at George and says:
"What is this? What are we doing? What kind of lives are these? We're like children. We're not men."
"No we're not... we're not men" George agrees.
Now in a TVsitcom that's funny. But having to relate toa perpetually rebelliousfifteen year-old kid encased in the body of a thirtysomething in real life is anything but.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (L00d6)

325 I'm trying to find myself in this photo.
LOL!!!

Posted by: Governor Walker's Fan Club at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (piMMO)

326 It seems to me that dems do sneaky underhanded things and get away with it but republicans have some innate sense of honor that precludes them from circumventing the "rules" in treacherous ways. Too bad, wonder how they'd deal with a taste of their own medicine. Like for instance managing to get one of the dems to resign via fax and then quickly swearing in a republican, having a quorum and voting. The dems would do it and then worry about the "legalities" later, look at what's going on with obamacare.

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (p302b)

327 I went and got myself checked Monday but haven't got the results yet but the doctor seemedd pretty sure I was okay. He wanted to test me for HPV and the nurse standing there said well the insurance won't pay for it unless she's had a history of it. He just stared at her for a minute and said she HAS a history of it. Long silence. She got the message.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (Z71Vg)

328 I'm trying to find myself in this photo.


Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:16 PM (nAOMZ)
4 up, 12 over, next to the blue hat?

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (bxiXv)

329 I think I could dig the chocolate flavor.
Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:15 PM (Z71Vg)
Recommend you go to the mall where they have the little e-cig kiosks and try some of the flavors there before you order.

Posted by: CDR M at February 19, 2011 09:20 PM (y67bA)

330
Now in a TV sitcom that's funny. But having to relate to a perpetually rebellious fifteen year-old kid encased in the body of a thirtysomething in real life is anything but. Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at February 19, 2011 09:18 PM (L00d6) I worked for a while with a fan of those doofuses, I always referred to it as "The Tragedy Channel."

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:21 PM (bxiXv)

331 Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 09:05 PM (WRtsc)
I'm not making a criticism.House calls used to be the way things were done and the AMA, in part, ended the practice in large part. (Of course there are exceptions for close friends, family and emergencies. Even then, people areencouraged into an ambulence.) The profession likes people going to offices and filling out forms. For that matter, so do the lawyers.
Besides, the whole point is that the medical package these teachers have is top-notch and they should be able to afford an office visit anyway.
I'm saying that the profession values its integrity above all else. A lot of what you do is based on trust. Handing out notes to anybody in a crowd is not doing the profession any favors and they will notice.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 09:21 PM (BvBKY)

332 we will tell you what is good for the children, and you will like it. If you think differently, you are evil rich hitler. because we know what is good for the children.... and that is fisting and fucking(with condoms of course) and if you need more money for your nails, or your BMW, or a line of coke.. just fuck a guy! Easy, work from home "You can be a whore, too" kits available. easily followed, step by step instuctions on how to make a life for yourself, no work required!!

STEP 1 :
Get fucked.
(are you female? then no explanation needed. need more help? take a fucking shower... end of lesson)
STEP 2:
Sue Father
(he is unnecessary to your goal of livin large... if he has no money, you are an idiot. what were you thinking? No worries, see step 3)

STEP 3:
Get government assistance
(Obama will make this easy for you. it's his job, after all. if you are too stupid to even do this, then an ACORN "worker" will be along shortly to help out). Feel free to take advantage of the "sell your food stamps for beer money" program as well as the "sell your daughter to make more money and ensure she is as much of a whore as you" programs.. they are free and benefical to everyone!!!

STEP 4:
Blame people who have nothing to do with your situation. Mostly everyone but the people who are directly responsible for yoursituation, like you, your John(AKA your boo, the love of your life, baby daddy,BUT ILUV HIMMM), the politicians who pay you to be a whore, the stupid(er, i mean enlightened) idiots who say you are disadvantaged and need public assistance(unless it has to be from them), and most of all, republicans... fucking republicans, always fucking shit up for everybody who wants free shit for nothing. especially those asshole republicans who actually work and don't have a union contract! how the fuck do they know how to not work if they aren't in a union? fucking assholes... lets put them in chains and make them do our work for us... it's not slavery if the slave is a fucking cracker whitey.

I'm so done with this shit.... I'm at the point where I'm waiting for the government to come and try to confiscate my guns... and I die defending myself. Once everyone like me is dead, there will be no one left to do the work. And"THEY' will all die, because they have no survival skills.
AMEN.

Posted by: citizen slave at February 19, 2011 09:21 PM (ker8n)

333 Recommend you go to the mall where they have the little e-cig kiosks and try some of the flavors there before you order.
Thanks for the tip! I haven't been to the mall in months but I may run over there and see if they have one set up.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:23 PM (Z71Vg)

334 Some woman in my bldg at work turned me onto a great e-cig place in Kentucky. I'm still mulling it over, but she gets all the awesome flavors and says the woman is just great. The website is www.ecigsejuice.com.

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 09:24 PM (zxpIo)

335 Whoa! Just heard it's gonna be 71 degrees here tomorrow!! Whoo hoo!!

Posted by: jewells45 at February 19, 2011 09:25 PM (Z71Vg)

336 After a Robo Call like that......even the Democrats who got the call have to admit that Wisconsin Republicans are a fun bunch with a great sense of humor, even after having to deal with the crazy ways of our Dem/Progressive friends and neighbors. Hell, after Walker's bill passes, we'll probably get together, watch reruns of the Super Bowl and drink alot of beer together. How 'bout dem Packers, eh? Course it will probably piss off the MSM after they cover 2 weeks of protests and can't insite anybody to violence.

Posted by: DailyDish at February 19, 2011 09:25 PM (+5yI+)

337 Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for
your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of
lube- it can chafe a bit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)'I've never heard the sheep bitch yet.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 09:27 PM (eCAn3)

338
I'm so done with this shit.... I'm at the point where I'm waiting for the government to come and try to confiscate my guns... and I die defending myself. Once everyone like me is dead, there will be no one left to do the work. And "THEY' will all die, because they have no survival skills.
AMEN. Posted by: citizen slave at February 19, 2011 09:21 PM (ker8n)
Radical, dude. Groovy.Power to the people! Question authority! It's funny when you think of where the hippies ended up versus where they should have ended up.I knew a lot of "gun hippies" when I was a kid, though, I think they were only in the commune to get laid.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:29 PM (bxiXv)

339 Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: Not only are we doing away with most public employee unions collective bargaining, we're going to have all those layoffs we were talking about, too. You should have taken my deal.

Dem Senator Scumbag In Hiding: That's six fucking innocent unions who were doing nothing but trying to extort cash from everyone in the workplace and get their criminal buddies elected. Is that how you want to play it? Huh?

Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: It's okay. It's okay, State Senator Scumbag. I know you're angry and have run away. That's good. That's what it takes. That's how it has to be.

Dem Senator Scumbag In Hiding: What if I said you were right and I was wrong? What if I had said, "Well, let's have a vote and see if people really want to stop the idiocy of public workers' unions"? Huh?

Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: Then we would say you're making progress.

Dem Senator Scumbag In Hiding: And we might have lost! And students would actually be able to learn with non-unionized teachers who actually know something. Don't you get that? Fuck.

Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: You didn't care, you scumbag Dem in hiding. You didn't even try. You could have walked out of that Senate with your head held high and voted against the bill. I could have lived with that, State Senator Scumbag.

Dem Senator Scumbag In Hiding: I keep my head up. And you will end this. The GOP will withdraw this bill from consideration.

Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: We're just getting warmed up. This is Von Clausewitz shit - total fucking war.

Dem Senator Scumbag In Hiding: You fuck.

Governor Clyde Walker Shelton: No. We're gonna pull the whole thing down. We're gonna bring the whole fucking diseased, corrupt temple down on your head. It's gonna be Biblical.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 09:30 PM (N49h9)

340 326--It seems to me that dems do sneaky underhanded things and get away with it but republicans have some innate sense of honor that precludes them from circumventing the "rules" in treacherous ways. Too bad, wonder how they'd deal with a taste of their own medicine. Like for instance managing to get one of the dems to resign via fax and then quickly swearing in a republican, having a quorum and voting. The dems would do it and then worry about the "legalities" later, look at what's going on with obamacare.
Last night somebody (on the ONT, I think) wrote that they needed at least 1 demonrat to make a quorum. Suggestion came up that 1 repub should switch parties to accomplish that, but then not enough of a headcount left for the quorum....or something like that....
Anyway, the morons gots them some realideas! I love this place.

Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 09:31 PM (0GpN4)

341 I think they were only in the commune to get laid.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 19, 2011 09:29 PM (bxiXv)
What makes you think there was ever any other reason? C'mon, think about it . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 19, 2011 09:33 PM (zxpIo)

342 Amish-

Gotcha. As far as paperwork goes, there are essentially two types- the legal and the scientific.

The scientific, we have to do just like any other experiment we'd do in a lab class. You have to spell out the who, what, where, why, and when, down to the millimeter, so that any doc coming in behind you knows what happened and can re-create it if need be.

The rest of it is to make the lawyers happy, and that as much as anything drives up the cost of things- we have a huge staff at any hospital that does nothing but properly file paperwork. That's not just to keep us from getting sued, that's to keep the feds and state from coming in and crawling up everyone's ass with a microscope.

There are unquestionably some patient protections afforded by the sheer volume of documentation, but it's become so massive that it interferes destructively with the patient-provider interface, and it really sucks. That, as much as tort reform, needs to be streamlined in some reasonable way in order to improve our ability as providers to be more efficient and diminish the need for us to practice what I call defensive medicine (protecting us from lawsuits).

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 09:34 PM (WRtsc)

343 337
Let us know when you're ready, and we'll arrange for
your initiation... it involves two coconuts and a sheep. Bring lots of
lube- it can chafe a bit.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2011 08:53 PM (WRtsc)'I've never heard the sheep bitch yet.


Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 19, 2011 09:27 PM (eCAn3)

Weird. I was told to get naked, be blindfolded, lie back and think of England. Fortunately, I didn't feel anything.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 09:36 PM (UOM48)

344 Besides, the whole point is that the medical package these teachers
have is top-notch and they should be able to afford an office visit
anyway.

The other point is, the teachers at the protests weren't sick. Any doctor who writes them an excuse knowing they're lying about the teacher's health is committing an ethical breach, if not outright fraud.

It's not any different than supporting fraudulent disability claims, or writing a script for painkillers for recreational use.

Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:37 PM (nAOMZ)

345 Damn, I'm jealous of those with the e-cigs, which weren't around when I quit smoking - so I chewed Nicorette gum until my jaw ached. It took me a year to wean myself off the gum and I think that withdrawal was actually worse than the initial one, because I chewed the gum all day. It was still healthier than smoking, but how I would have loved a e-cig to take care of the hand/mouth thing.

Hang in there, those of you who have recently quit. You will feel so much better.

Daily Dish: "How 'bout dem Packers, eh?"

Yeah, I still get a nice warm happy glow when I think about the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Donna V. at February 19, 2011 09:37 PM (2P3zt)

346 How many of you know that Walker doesn't have a college degree? Got to love a governor without a college degree whooping up on all those so-called edumicated teachers.

Posted by: Steph at February 19, 2011 09:38 PM (AkdC5)

347 The other point is, the teachers at the protests weren't sick. Any
doctor who writes them an excuse knowing they're lying about the
teacher's health is committing an ethical breach, if not outright fraud.

This is my biggest problem with this deal. OK one of the biggest. When these teachers call in sick and then travel to Madison to do whatever the fk they want to do, they are lying and falsifying documents. Punish them like I would be if I lied on my IRS documents.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 09:40 PM (/izg2)

348 Steph, I just read his wiki page. He quit 36 credits short of a degree cause I get the feeling he was a republican, thus the C's from the libs. My great grandfather had an 8th grade education, worked on the railroad and was the smartest, most interesting man I've ever know. And he lived well passed 100. As I continue to pay off my student loans, realizing I could have bought three homes here in NY with that money I begin to think of myself as a jerk.

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2011 09:42 PM (p302b)

349 Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 09:31 PM (0GpN4)

It isn't that they need a Dem per se, it's that they need 20 Senators present. There are only 19 GOPers.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 19, 2011 09:42 PM (h0RtZ)

350 Punish them like I would be if I lied on my IRS documents.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 19, 2011 09:40 PM (/izg2)
Why are you complaining? These teachers are going to get the exact same punishment that I got.
Did you catch me on O'Reilly the other night? Pretty sweet, huh?

Posted by: Charlie Rangel at February 19, 2011 09:43 PM (N49h9)

351 They only need a quorum for budget stuff. I really want that "most restrictive in the nation" voter ID bill taken up immediately, followed by concealed carry (nothing like threats to your family to make you see the need to allow it, eh? Thanks, goons!)
Posted by: HeatherRadish stands with Scott Walker at February 19, 2011 09:09 PM (nAOMZ)
I agree wholeheartedly. This is really brilliant, Heather. The Voter ID stuff especially. That's popular with voters, too, so it's a win-win.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 09:49 PM (BvBKY)

352 How many of you know that Walker doesn't have a college degree?

Walker is one of those people, like Mark Steyn, or James Taranto of the WSJ, who clearly refutes the conventional wisdom about the absolute need for a college degree.

I considered becoming a teacher when I was in college. Two education courses cured me of that desire. A half-step up from "Basketweaving 101." I couldn't stand the idea of taking 30 or so more credit hours of that crap. It's hilarious that someone would consider themselves superior to Walker because they have an education degree.

HeatherRadish: Can you give us an idea of how big the Tea Party crowd was?

Posted by: Donna V. at February 19, 2011 09:51 PM (2P3zt)

353 It isn't that they need a Dem per se, it's that they need 20 Senators present. There are only 19 GOPers.
Thanks for that.

Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 09:51 PM (0GpN4)

354 I mean, thanks for clarifying that, GnuBreed.

Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 09:54 PM (0GpN4)

355 The most pathetic justification for this crap in Madison is the babbling
about work conditions from 100 years ago. It is okay for teachers to
put kids out of the classroom because there was child labor a hundred
years ago..

Not seeing what's wrong with that.

Don't wanna learn?

Get out and fucking earn!

( Just dont fucking waste my time, jack-hole!)

Posted by: Deety WON'T get credentialled at February 19, 2011 09:55 PM (Jb3+B)

356 --It is okay for teachers to
put kids out of the classroom because there was child labor a hundred
years ago..


In any event, those same teachers are using child labor for their protests right now, though, if they had their druthers, the left prefers to use children as human shields rather than labor. They use illegals for labor.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 19, 2011 09:58 PM (N49h9)

357 @338

im not getting laid for this(if only), and im not a hippie.. thats the point. I'll pull my own weight.
since I'm not interested in others doing shit I should be doing, and expect others to do the same, I'm some kind of racist asshole... well, come and get some. Im ready to be a martyr for my own cause. but im sure as hell going to go down shooting before that.

got a shotgun, a rifle and some home made wine , and a country boy can survive.
If you aint into that we don't give a damn.

Posted by: citizen slave at February 19, 2011 10:33 PM (ker8n)

358 230
What's with all the BS about "eliminating collective bargaining rights?"
Sounds too much likeunion-driven sloganeering bullshit, (which is all the MFM will spew, of course) and people have got to stop taking it at face value. Never take their slogans at face value! Here'sa clip of thesummary from the WI state website:
---------Collective bargaining – The bill would make various changes to limit collective bargaining for most public employees to wages. Total wage increases could not exceed a cap based on the consumer price index (CPI) unless approved by referendum. Contracts would be limited to one year and wages would be frozen until the new contract is settled. Collective bargaining units are required to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union. Employers would be prohibited from collecting union dues and members of collective bargaining units would not be required to pay dues. These changes take effect upon the expiration of existing contracts. Local law enforcement and fire employees, and state troopers and inspectors would be exempt from these changes.-----------
I haven't read the actual text of the legislation, but I doubt it varies much from this, and this...this is pure poetry and should be adopted nationwide with respect to union certification, contract negotiation,and dues collection.
So there, that's my 2 cents.
Posted by: Stillwater at February 19, 2011 08:47 PM (0GpN4)
My cousin mentioned being tied to the CPI and how that worried him because it hasnt gone up in several years. I was thinking yeah, well how many people in the private sector don't have a job, at least one of the family was going on two years, or had a severe pay cut like I did to get working again?
Yeah, it sucks but there is no good reason that tax payer supported employees should be permanently isolated from economic conditions unlike the rest of us, especially since we are compelled by force to support their salaries.
Maybe I'll engage him in discussion a bit more next time. He's a reasonable fellow, unlike the thugs out there.
Of course they might be scared of me now, when I joked about having adult toys to keep from kids, I explained I meant my knives and firearms. hehe

Posted by: Mark at February 19, 2011 10:37 PM (5MoLB)

359 Radical, dude. Groovy.
Power to the people! Question authority!
It's funny when you think of where the hippies ended up versus where they should have ended up.
I knew a lot of "gun hippies" when I was a kid, though, I think they were only in the commune to get laid.
btw....
go fuck yourself. I dont care about peace and free love. im not in it for a commune. I will do what i need to do to keep myself alive, andI don't care about the collective. that includes you bitch. fuck you and your mother if she won't fuck to save her species. call me a hippie to my face asshole. You stupid bitches do this shit all the time.. what? you just want to mind your own business and live? you are a hippie!!!
How about a little game of would you rather?
Ron Paul (eleventy)
vs
O-BA-MA
but you stupid fucks want to offer up shit like mccain and bush.WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO KID?

well, its who can win, right?... yet the wins come with the tea party.
but I guess the recent elections are allabout republicans, not a result of a republican party that fucks us in the ass /WITH A REACHAROUND/ vs.straight assrapewith the democrats. I welcome you to come to my front door. you will find out the difference between a hippie and a libertarian pretty fucking quick.
and thats a promise.

Posted by: citizen slave at February 19, 2011 10:56 PM (ker8n)

360 I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why teachers always whine about how much money they make. There is no other profession that complains nearly as much as they do. Presumably, they knew the pay scales going in, right? And their pay isn’t even that bad. In my state, the average teacher salary over $51,000 per year (One website I saw cited the NEA, stating the average teachers salary here is $56,000), and the cost-of-living is relatively low here. So, assuming that’s what teachers make about half-way through their careers, a married couple who are both teachers can make over $100,000 a year before they reach the age of 40. Can this level of income really be called “sacrificing” by our noble and dedicated public servants? The median household income in my state is $48,000. And that’s household, as in the total for all working people in the house. Should a teacher, earning what is one of the weakest bachelor’s degrees on college campuses today, really expect much more?
And that doesn’t even consider the fact that teachers have great benefits, can retire young with a healthy retirement package, have nearly iron-clad job security, and have plenty of time off, including several months in the summer where they can work other jobs to supplement their income. And what other job do you get substantial raises simply for getting more and more credit hours in college, even if it doesn’t have any effect on work performance? All that, and it’s not exactly difficult to become a teacher in terms of the coursework and certification requirements (and, despite what it seems that teachers apparently think, there is no shortage of teachers; newly graduated teachers have a difficult time finding jobs).
There are some great individual teachers out there, and I mean them no disrespect, but as a group they tend to think way too highly of themselves.

Posted by: Jason at February 19, 2011 11:03 PM (sV0Yw)

361 Posted by: Jason at February 19, 2011 11:03 PM (sV0Yw)

well said.

When I was in school a teacher literally shoved a desk into my friend. We were in the second grade. His mom was an administrator in a neighboring school district and she went ballistic. This was apparently the fourth or fifth time the teacher had done something like this and still the union moved in and she was well protected. She continued to teach the second grade and retired with her full pension. The mom, who was an administrator in a neighboring district was forced to stop "making such an issue out of this" as then her job might have been in jeopardy. My friend could have been severely injured. All of us in that class that day were totally traumatized and no one so much as spoke to us about it. A teacher's aide appeared and stayed in the classroom all day with us but the experience left me with a really bad taste in my mouth and trauma that exists to this day. When I got to college and realized that there was not much difference between those hoping to make their millions on WS and those hoping to game the system on main street (the teachers) I began to have very little respect for those who cited salary, benefits and time off rather than "a calling" as their reason for becoming a teacher. I later had the same disdain for the NYC cops I met who told me "hey I'll be out when I'm 41 with a full pension and I can start a new career, I'll be on easy street". At that point I decided that cops weren't husband material.

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2011 11:31 PM (p302b)

362 A modest proposal for the Wisconsin legislators who have stayed at their post to do the voters bidding - while the other politicians cower in Illinois carry out redistricting. That should settle the cowards' hash, though they will squeal like the stuck pigs they are.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 20, 2011 12:49 AM (iXJiB)

363 <em>go fuck yourself. I dont care
about peace and free love. im not in it for a commune. I will do what i
need to do to keep myself alive, andI don't care about the collective.
that includes you bitch. fuck you and your mother if she won't fuck to
save her species. call me a hippie to my face asshole. You stupid
bitches do this shit all the time.. what? you just want to mind your own
business and live? you are a hippie!!! </em>Wow, what a STAGGERING display of bone-shattering ignorance, you sick fucking ape.You don't have a single fucking idea what you're talking about, and yet you get your big-boy internet commando pants on and run around shouting fucking threats and bullshit like you had something to swing.I was a fucking Libertarian until they sold themselves out to the crazy Left-Libs after 2000. The "Gun Hippies" were my fucking friends, you dumbass ignorant douchebag.I'm all for people minding their own fucking business and living, unlike you you hypocritical internet-threatening self-righteous colostomy-bag.
<em>I welcome
you to come to my front door. you will find out the difference between a
hippie and a libertarian pretty fucking quick.
and thats a promise.


Posted by: citizen slave at February 19, 2011 10:56 PM (ker8n)</em>Take your internet-commando useless hypocritical threats and shove them up your ass with a broken bottle.How fucking DARE you call yourself a Libertarian? Do Libertarians run around threatening people because of their own ignorance? Do libertarians threaten initiation of force against people and their families because of their own ignorance? If you're representative of what the Libertarian Party has become, they've fallen farther than I ever imagined, and you, sir, sure as HELL don't deserve a seat at the table if that's how you behave.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 20, 2011 03:17 AM (bxiXv)

364 nothing like settling a coward's hash I say.

Posted by: Uncle Jed at February 20, 2011 03:37 AM (vXwmy)

365 Walker wins this when residents of the 'missing' senators distric start recall petitions. The senators will then hurry back to the capital. All he needs to do is hold a vote and this measure passes. Game over.

Posted by: Marie at February 20, 2011 08:51 AM (GuTKr)

366 Shout out to Donna V and Heather Radish. I live right by the center of the FES, (Fashionable East Side)..old Coffee Trader. Shorewood is popularly known as the People's Republic of Shorewood. If you don't have the yard signs and beeping your car horns there....you have problems. Over the weekend, I heard a number of my lefty (nongovernment employees) complain about the teachers and the state senators. I was stunned!!!

Posted by: Spook at February 20, 2011 09:59 AM (pEkqu)

367 "Some otherwise pretty apolitical friends were furious at having to take two days off to watch their kids."

Of on a tangent here, but this is exactly what's wrong with our system of public education. It's a fucking daycare.

There are other ways to educate kids than stuffing them in a room with 20+ age matched peers and a hungover education grad. Better ways.

Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2011 10:54 AM (Z4T49)

368 Hey, Spook, I live about 5 minutes away from you. (I miss the old Coffee Trader, I have fond memories of the place from the '70's, when it was very cutting edge for Milwaukee)

Small world and all that. It's nice to know I'm not completely surrounded by moonbats.

Posted by: Donna V. at February 20, 2011 11:54 AM (2P3zt)

369 Hi Donna V. Glad you are in the neighborhood. I assume you are actually in Shorewood. I just have the same ZIP code. Here I thought I was the neighborhood "token". Funny how all the anti war yard signs vanished when Obama was elected.

Posted by: spook at February 20, 2011 03:14 PM (2WCDo)

370 No, not in Shorewood, I just drive through there on my way to and from work. The protesters were on the corner of Oakland and E. Capitol Drive.

Posted by: Donna V. at February 20, 2011 05:53 PM (2P3zt)

371 I generally saw the anti war types at North and Martin Luther King (3rd St).

Posted by: spook at February 20, 2011 10:10 PM (2WCDo)

372 "367 Spook: Shout out to Donna V and Heather Radish. I live right by the center of
the FES, (Fashionable East Side)..old Coffee Trader."

You mean in Downer Village, down the block from Sendiks? Hello neighbor!

Posted by: pst314 at February 21, 2011 11:36 AM (OA547)

373 "371 Donna V: No, not in Shorewood, I just drive through there on my way to and from
work. The protesters were on the corner of Oakland and E. Capitol
Drive."

I saw them too, at about 3:30 that afternoon. They got a few honks from passing cars, but only a finger-circling-ear gesture from me. :-)

Posted by: pst314 at February 21, 2011 11:38 AM (OA547)

374 Hi pst314, I have not heard it called Downer Village. It was the Coffee Trader, ...now it has a pancake restaurant, Via, a physical therapy clinic. Sentry is now CVS. The laundromat is now the Hollander. I am just south of all of that. So are you going to the townhall meeting at St. Mark's on Wednesday. Chris Larsen is supposed to be there with Jon Richards and Nic Kovac.

Posted by: spook at February 21, 2011 09:15 PM (2WCDo)

375 Spook, Downer Village is a pretty old name for the two-block strip of shops from Park to Webster, going back at least to the fifties.

I won't be going to the townhall meeting because I'm only around on weekends, but if there's another Tea Party rally in Madison (or Milwaukee) I'll do my best to make it.

Posted by: pst314 at February 21, 2011 09:31 PM (lXz0U)

376 pst314 If Larsen shows up for the Town Hall meeting at St. Mark's I am calling the State Patrol to "escort" him to Madison to do his job. I have to show up for work or I get fired.

Posted by: Spook at February 22, 2011 12:26 PM (pEkqu)

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