Oh Boy: Obama Sets Gutless-Punk Cocksucker Political Trap and GOP Walks Into It

But, here's the thing: The GOP is walking into the trap because they know it's the right thing to do for America and the gutless cocksucker who's supposedly our president refuses to lead.

Basically, Obama is going to run a platform of irresponsibility and future disaster because he trusts Americans are so stupid they'll reward him for it. And of course the problem with this strategy -- for us -- is that it is 88% likely he's right.

Do I believe in Americans anymore? Less and less each day that passes. I'm kind of tired of conservatives trumpeting American exceptionalism because America seems in short supply of it. Scratch your average "exceptional America" and you find an ordinary decline-and-decay European soft "I want mine" socialist beneath.

So, Obama, having abdicated his responsibility of prudence, leadership, intelligence or idealism (this either proves he is stupid or profoundly cynical), has forced the out-party House of Representatives to take a leadership role -- a role for which they aren't well suited, not because of a lack of individual ability, but because the Constitution is expressly designed for a government led by the President.

But that's what the cocksucker has decided to do -- you guys propose necessary entitlement reforms; I'll just demagogue against then and walk my way into relection.

If I were advising, I'd have strongly advised the GOP to lead on domestic spending cuts -- Jim DeMint's 250 billlion in cuts, not Rand Paul's 500 billiion, just because 250 billion seems less scary to your average American Idiot -- so that they could then announce to the public, "See? We've chopped a fair amount out. But we're still going bankrupt. Do you understand now that this problem can't just be solved with cuts to domestic programs?"

So I'd cut deep on domestic programs now, not just because it's necessary and good anyway, but it serves as a wake-up call to voters -- this is necessary, but it's not sufficient.

But be that as it may, someone has to lead the country, and as our Non-President just wants to fucking golf and talk about how awesome he is, I guess it's up to the people the Constitution doesn't nominate as national leaders to step into the Great Void of Incompetence and Cowardice left by the Bammy-Bam and do something for America.

Okay, here it is, everyone: We've long had a dispute about whether it's better to do the right thing, no matter how unpopular it is or fudge on doing the right thing to stay electable.

We're about to face this dilemma because the GOP is going forward with a plan to reform entitlement spending.

We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012 and a lot of seats from the House, too. We will probably not be able to make any headway in the Senate.

That's the downside. The upside is that this is patriotic and necessary and good.

The only card we have up our sleeve is -- get this -- the media, which knows full well this is necessary and any party addressing it is brave and doing the right thing and any cocksucker abdicating on this issue is a gutless pansy punk who likes to dress the part but who's not really a man down inside, just a vain little boy scrabbling for accolades.

So there you go: Our only possible way of winning on this is if the media goes all-in exposing Obama's and the Democrats' lies on the subject and defends the GOP.

Anyone thrilled? I'm not. But I don't see any other way.

At the end of the day when a gutless, anti-American punk who cares nothing except for his own ego controls the government we face only bad choices.

Coburn: To Close the Financial Deficit, We Must Close the Leadership Deficit: Indeed.

What makes Obama especially gutless isn't just that he's refusing to lead -- that would just be standard cowardice of the voting present variety we've come to expect.

No, it's that the GOP has come to him (as have some Democrats like Dick Durbin and Kent Conrad) and begged him to lead. Telling him, basically, "We know this is hard, but we've got your back -- we'll hang tough on this too, because we know we have to."

Even with that reassurance and pledges of support, he decides he'd rather watch America burn than let his precious ego take the hit of a difficult re-election.

Posted by: Ace at 05:52 PM



Comments

1 America-That-Was rocked.
America-That-Is...?
I repeat as I've said: I do not believe in 'Too Big To Fail'. But I do believe in 'Too Stupid To Live'...

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord© at February 15, 2011 05:55 PM (GBXon)

2 I thought I was cynical

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 15, 2011 05:55 PM (0IPsJ)

3 Basically, Obama is going to run a platform of irresponsibility and future disaster because he trusts Americans are so stupid they'll reward him for it.
Sounds all right to us. Besides, he's so cool!

Posted by: 52 Percenters at February 15, 2011 05:55 PM (QKKT0)

4 Too honest for our own good. "Preserving SS" should be our issue.

Posted by: toby928™ at February 15, 2011 05:56 PM (GTbGH)

5 Thank you sir, may I have another.

Posted by: The GOP House Caucus at February 15, 2011 05:57 PM (QKKT0)

6 Thanks, Ace. I know this isn't "pretty news" and yes, America has some serious problems. But you are working for a solution, by educating us on the actual problems, and offering solutions to alleviate the downward spiral we are headed towards.

Thanks.

(Yes, I am totally sucking up. But I mean every word.)

Posted by: moki at February 15, 2011 05:58 PM (dZmFh)

7 I don't know ace. The house knows it will not be going anywhere. They will probably just do symbolic things anyway. It just puts Obama out of touch with America's problems. Most Adults under 60 know SS and Medicare are as broke as a liberal's logic. I just see the house sitting on things until 2012. Plus, if we have the candidate I hope we have in 2012, he will not be able to paint the opposition as elderly killers while he gutted $500 million (or was it billion?) from medicare.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 05:59 PM (c5RQr)

8 @7
I mean she/he

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (c5RQr)

9 This is why I think Chris Christie needs to run in 2012.

Posted by: Tobias at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (YcQtu)

10 Basically, Obama is going to run a platform of irresponsibility and
future disaster because he trusts Americans are so stupid they'll
reward him for it.

Doesn't always happen the way you'd expect. James Buchanan ended up punting in the 1850s and left some ugly guy named Abe to clean up the mess when even his own party refused to nominate him.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (bxvFd)

11 No wait I mean he. I was talking about okel.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (c5RQr)

12 We need to do what's right. We also need to continue purging useless Republic incumbents, to pave the way for genuine difficult reform, which will start in 2016.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (XyoGP)

13 A five or ten percent(pick your own number) cut across the board for all federal spending is the only way to avoid the trap.

Posted by: davidt at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (9Pzy7)

14 Don't forget our own strategy: Doom and Gloom. It's time to start leveling with the American taxpayer (and all the Democrats, too) what the loss of reserve currency status will result in.

Doom and fukn Gloooom.

Posted by: Cooter at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (BcLJD)

15 I hate to be in the position of saying Granny, you get a cut so we can give $70M to Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: toby928™ at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (GTbGH)

16 Can we haz military coup?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (bH60M)

17 Even with that reassurance and pledges of support, he decides he'd rather watch America burn


And that's where you needed to end it.

Posted by: Dave C at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (i3fQg)

18 Our only possible way of winning on this is if the media goes all-in
exposing Obama's and the Democrats' lies on the subject and defends the
GOP.

I've never seen a pig fly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (UOM48)

19 But is he a gutless punk cocksucker gutless punk cocksucker?

You betcha.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 15, 2011 06:02 PM (h0RtZ)

20 he decides he'd rather watch America burn than let his precious ego take the hit of a difficult re-election.

Again, why the assumption that watching America burn isn't the idea?

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at February 15, 2011 06:03 PM (t+tqr)

21 My buddy and I have been talking about this for a year. Here's the problem. I think it's getting close to jumping ship. Especially if the republicans don't do what is needed. If not, where the hell do you go?

If only Texas steps up and leaves.

Posted by: Tony at February 15, 2011 06:03 PM (YN7jD)

22 Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (UOM48

I seen a house fly, and I seen a horse fly. But I ain't never seen a PIG fly!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2011 06:03 PM (bH60M)

23 Stock up on barbs. It is the only legal thing to do. As a matter of fact i am working on updating the barb and i practice the new barbs on my barbie testing dummy.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 15, 2011 06:03 PM (EiH7n)

24 Wow.. an ideologue who was raised by Marxists is content to play golf while watching the US slid into the abyss?

Who sat that coming?

Posted by: Dave C at February 15, 2011 06:04 PM (i3fQg)

25 We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012 and a lot of seats
from the House, too. We will probably not be able to make any headway
in the Senate.

Jeez, Ace. I couldn't disagree more. This is an opportunity. The worm has turned. The Dems will go with the same nonsense that worked in the past, but there has been a change. If you doubt that, just ask yourself if the GOP would have done what they have already done in the last 2 months. Cheer up!

Posted by: pep, purity czar at February 15, 2011 06:05 PM (P18+/)

26 Again, why the assumption that watching America burn isn't the idea?


Posted by: tachyonshuggy


Exactly.

Posted by: Dave C at February 15, 2011 06:05 PM (i3fQg)

27 So that's it.

America dies with a whimper, begging on our knees.

It took a third-party to get the ball rolling on the second American revolution and only 600,000+ lives.

I'm sure we'll do a lot better this time . . . .

Posted by: Jimmuy at February 15, 2011 06:05 PM (FxALC)

28 Do I believe in Americans anymore? Less and less each day that passes.
I'm kind of tired of conservatives trumpeting American exceptionalism
because America seems in short supply of it. Scratch your average
"exceptional America" and you find an ordinary decline-and-decay
European soft "I want mine" socialist beneath.

We're on this same curve with the Europeans, only on different points.

If the libs win on this, in the end...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 15, 2011 06:06 PM (myA18)

29 Aren't Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie popular governors specifically BECAUSE they are pushing reforms that will cut government jobs and spending? And that's in NY and NJ, pretty much the last places you'd expect this to be popular.

I'm not convinced this trap will work for Obama. The national debt news is too horrible for him to ignore and still look like he's doing his job (let alone a good job). And even if it is a trap, I still want at least one of our two big political parties trying to solve the problems killing this country.

Posted by: robviously at February 15, 2011 06:07 PM (81ia8)

30 President Bush didn't go about this the right way when he tried. If the GOP tries to frame this as a discussion and shows seniors that what they paid for will be there for them, it might work. But with $88.6T in unfunded liabilities and a guarantee of lights-out before 2037, we have to start this discussion.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 06:08 PM (yfJ6g)

31 We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012 and a lot of seats from the House, too. We will probably not be able to make any headway in the Senate.
-------------------------
Geez, I did not read this gem. Are you really John McCain, ace? Does this mean we can nominate Palin since all is lost now?
The economy is not getting better, bernanke can not sustain the boom in stocks. It will bite us on the ass

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:08 PM (c5RQr)

32
I'm going to bend over for your Obama, and you don't have to use any KY-Jelly, but you must tell me you love me.

Posted by: Democrat Party Hacks at February 15, 2011 06:08 PM (ZHsNw)

33 Obama is a gutless coward. No other way to describe him.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 15, 2011 06:09 PM (xdHzq)

34 I couldn't loathe the learning curve "president" more if I tried.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2011 06:10 PM (UOM48)

35 initial reaction, man that Palin is stupid, how did she screw this up this time.

right?

/sarc

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:10 PM (QxSug)

36 What do you figure the percentage of the population that has a clue as to how bad things really are and how bad things will really get if shit isnt done now? Repubs have a messaging problem, except I think alot of people would agree with their message, unlike the demotards messaging problem(denial)

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 15, 2011 06:10 PM (FIDMq)

37 I doubt that the media is going to be much help. Krugman was crying Sunday or Monday about the end of world if just some cuts were enacted. You think the NYTs is going to muzzle him? They are spinning the Egypt thingie as a great foreign accomplishment for Der Won.

My optimism level is set to bleak.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 15, 2011 06:12 PM (h0RtZ)

38 Presidentin' is hard.

Thanks, you worthless 52%ers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2011 06:13 PM (UOM48)

39 This is as good a place as any to make a stand.

If Obama wins, it will just hasten the crash.

Ace, this part of Daniels' CPAC speech speaks directly toward your cynicism.

"Lastly, critically, I urge great care not to drift into a loss of
faith in the American people. In speech after speech, article upon
article, we remind each other how many are dependent on government, or
how few pay taxes, or how much essential virtues like family formation
or civic education have withered. All true. All worrisome. But we
must never yield to the self-fulfilling despair that these problems are
immutable, or insurmountable.
All great enterprises have a pearl of faith at their core, and this
must be ours: that Americans are still a people born to liberty. That
they retain the capacity for self-government. That, addressed as
free-born, autonomous men and women of God-given dignity, they will rise
yet again to drive back a mortal enemy.
History’s assignment to this generation of freedom fighters is in one
way even more profound than the tests of our proud past. We are tasked
to rebuild not just a damaged economy, and a debt-ridden balance sheet,
but to do so by drawing forth the best that is in our fellow citizens.
If we would summon the best from Americans, we must assume the best
about them. If we don’t believe in Americans, who will?"

Posted by: Brett Favre's Purple Helmet at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (vxZXK)

40 What if the GOP were to adopt, in full, the recommendations of the deficit commission? Wouldn't that put Obama on the defensive? It's hard to use partisan politics against a bipartisan panel.

Posted by: sauropod at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (zmwmc)

41 So it's pretty much anything goes now?

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (t60fX)

42 We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012 and a lot of seats
from the House, too. We will probably not be able to make any headway
in the Senate.

Well, aren't you Little Miss Sunshine.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (0IPsJ)

43 I doubt that the media is going to be much help.

True, and that means we won't get those who believe them. Both of them.

Posted by: pep, purity czar at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (P18+/)

44 What cynical? Take a good look around. Half the people are on the dole anymore. We're functionally a socialist country already.Most of us don't want to lose a dime of "ours", no matter what we "say" we think about the state of affairs in America. The left, which is most of America, is all about material issues. Meanwhile the economy is just fucked, because we don't have the money anymore to do the shit we used to do.
And nobody I see is gonna do what it would take to solve the problem.
Never mind if it's Palin or Huck or whoever - some things like SS or Medicare or their favorite hobby horse these candidates will never cut. They all talk big till they get to Washington.
Stop the government from taking all our money and spending it on themselves for their own power.
Ace ain't cynical, he's just seeing what's around him and calling it like it is.
What we have left is to just lay low and keep our heads down and let this thing play out. When everything finally gets broken, then we can start putting things back together again. Not exactly "Braveheart", but that was a fucking movie, and I haven't seen any William Wallace's lately. Sure as hell not in the political class.

Posted by: bad bob at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (6DLda)

45 um, second reaction, the same thing as I've been typing about for years.

The right cannot rely on the media to choose right and wrong, especially when Sarah Palin didn't even go to Harvard, OMG, what a whore!1@1@1

you see, the MSM gets distracted, so we can't play along to get along.

If the GOP doesn't start calling out the democrats for this, then the squishy moderates and the newly imported American citizens whom you should never presume to lecture on what it means to be America, or why America is great, will take their cues from the media and vote democrat.

Also, the Eleventh commandment, stop red on red violence.

Also, no more McCain's, someone who loves teh media so much their presidential platform was "oh right, you're right! Obama is awesome."

So, if Obama is going to play this game, this oh so awesome trap, then that's stupid. There's so much rhetorical ammunition, this "trap" is like a paper man leading a firefighter into a burning building.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:14 PM (QxSug)

46 Our major problem is that so many institutions -- the media, academia, the Democratic party -- are so far down this path that none of them can be counted on to be responsible anymore. They are all socialist radicals and all too willing to lie for the cause.

So, it's up to us.

And I'm not so sure it's a bad bet. Other than the SS/Medicare "lockbox" nonsense, the thing that keeps spending afloat is the notion that the other guy is getting his but you're not getting yours. I think people recognize that the situation is bad (hence the Tea Party) and drastic measures must be taken.

A day after he praised the Ronulans at CPAC for booing Cheney for being a "war criminal," Andrew Sullivan even came out against Obama on this irresponsible budget. When you've lost Andrew Sullivan...

Posted by: AmishDude at February 15, 2011 06:15 PM (T0NGe)

47 They're banking on the possibility of another Fed shutdown. However, this is not 1995 and The Lightworker is not Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Techie at February 15, 2011 06:15 PM (gfg//)

48 Finally, third reaction, if we do lose. Then it's Great Depression 2.0.

I hope you have some alar free apples to sell on the side of the road.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:15 PM (QxSug)

49 I am an American Idiot! I wuv Greenday too!

Posted by: Dumb Ass Weftie at February 15, 2011 06:16 PM (0fzsA)

50 Talk of revolution is still verboten here, right?
I keed...I keed

Posted by: beedubya at February 15, 2011 06:16 PM (AnTyA)

51 What we have left is to just lay low and keep our heads down and let
this thing play out. When everything finally gets broken, then we can
start putting things back together again.

Ayn Rand much?

Posted by: pep at February 15, 2011 06:16 PM (P18+/)

52 Gah, "American Idiot", an average at best punk album at best that the critics bent over backwards to put on their Top 10 of all time lists based on title alone.

Posted by: Techie at February 15, 2011 06:17 PM (gfg//)

53 Uh ... Ace?
You do know that there is NO Constitutional requirment for the President to even give Congress a proposed budget??? That it is up to the HOUSE to start any Bill having to do with Revenues.... while House and Senate can both spend?
The budget is NOT the Presidents responsibility... its the Legislatures responsibility...
Now, bust all you want on this Presidents lack of leadership within his own out of control administration, or on foreign policy, or on his ability as Commander in Chief...
His proposed "budget" is nothing more than his starting negotiating position... one in which he went HIGH, so he could "bipartisan negotiate" it down to what he really wants and expects.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 15, 2011 06:17 PM (AdK6a)

54 and, let's fight. We need our new local GOP leaders to shut down ACORN. Shut down illegal immigration and illegal voters. Kill public sector unions, redistrict.

Lefty, rule 12 hate is powerful and scary, we aren't going to win by fighting alone.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:17 PM (QxSug)

55 So much so, it warrants two "at bests" at best.

Posted by: Techie at February 15, 2011 06:18 PM (gfg//)

56 Obama is a gutless coward. No other way to describe him
...except by adding the adjective "self-serving" to all that

Posted by: beedubya at February 15, 2011 06:18 PM (AnTyA)

57 So there you go: Our only possible way of winning on this is if the
media goes all-in exposing Obama's and the Democrats' lies on the
subject and defends the GOP.

And the Mets will win the pennant this year because the Phillies will trade Halladay, Lee, Hamels to them for Jason Bay and Oliver Perez

Ace, that's a nice fantasy. Can I have some of whatever they slipped into your drink?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2011 06:18 PM (vdfwz)

58 What would George Washington do?

I'm sorry. Did i ask an illegal question?

Oh, I'm sorry. Did that break your
concentration? I didn't mean to do
that. Please, continue. I believe
you were saying something about
"best intentions."

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 15, 2011 06:19 PM (EiH7n)

59 Obama is lazy and boring. He can't pull off Clinton. Also, Clinton didn't pull off Clinton. It's a media wishcast. Bob Dole and Ross Perot let us down.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:20 PM (QxSug)

60 We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012
I think we need to push that birth certificate thingy some more

Posted by: beedubya at February 15, 2011 06:20 PM (AnTyA)

61 I don't know that they're walking into a trap.

Also, I've heard it said that an ambush is only advantageous for the ambusher if the ambushee doesn't know about it.

Ryan and the GOP Freshmen are being refreshingly conservative, so let's wait and see what happens, shall we? Reading the piece at HA, it looks like they're going to hit the "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse" button, and maybe some other tinkering at the edges for now (...keep them in place...), so this may be the equivalent of Ace's plan: do the moderate stuff now (and 500 Billion in a budget seeing a deficit of nearly 3 times that is fairly moderate), and then come back next year and say, "See, we tried the easy stuff. It didn't work. Now it's time to try the hard stuff."

I don't know that they'll do that, and I won't be surprised if they F it up. But let's at least wait until they do to start wearing the sack-cloth and ashes, okay?

Posted by: The Commie Left at February 15, 2011 06:20 PM (8y9MW)

62 The media is part of the enemy Ace, they will not ever help us.

Posted by: KG at February 15, 2011 06:20 PM (2k/Dg)

63 I was born in 1993 and I'll tell you it's not 1995.
Guys, call Boner immediately and press him on this

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:21 PM (c5RQr)

64 I thought we were going for less of the "Gutless Cocksucker" headlines these days. No bother, I like unchained aggression.

On the other hand, you need to get out more Ace. Americans are better than you're giving them credit for. I often fell into the "people are stupid" mind trap when I was a young man, but it isn't true. I know it's sexy to be a cynic, but I find them boring. Leaders are optimists. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel because you choose not to.

Be forewarned though, young Skywalker, even if you open your eyes, Obama will still be a gutless cocksucker.

Posted by: Immolate at February 15, 2011 06:21 PM (0pB27)

65 I'm all for cuts, just don't touch NASA.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 15, 2011 06:21 PM (bAySe)

66 I will ask again why are we selling the NYSE to the Germans? I just cannot understand this wtf?

Posted by: gesc at February 15, 2011 06:21 PM (+G2Ts)

67 So there you go: Our only possible way of winning on this is if the
media goes all-in exposing Obama's and the Democrats' lies on the
subject and defends the GOP.

Yes, and the media will ask the hard questions and carefully look over each candidate's background and experience and report it dutifully to the public, just like they did in 2008

Posted by: Mr Fantasy at February 15, 2011 06:21 PM (vdfwz)

68 50
Talk of revolution is still verboten here, right?
I keed...I keed
Posted by: beedubya at February 15, 2011 06:16 PM (AnTyA)
Hmmm.... why?

(and yes, the sock IS a direct ancestor..)

Posted by: Private John Ramey, 10 Virginia Line, Valley Forge at February 15, 2011 06:22 PM (AdK6a)

69 Mighty Obama has outwitted us, so the GOP should just lay back and think of England? Interesting strategy.

Posted by: Jeff B.'s Catamite at February 15, 2011 06:22 PM (c45xH)

70 Suck it up.

You can not go wrong by doing right.

Stop it with the negative waves!!

http://tinyurl.com/b3cdol

Posted by: Kemp at February 15, 2011 06:22 PM (JpFM9)

71 @61
exactly. They are not going to go all in this year. It will not go anywhre with the commies.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:22 PM (c5RQr)

72 Here's the other thing: If peoples' economic situation sucks, they generally blame the president.

The mushy middle don't really pay attention to whether Obama was President Good Cop or President Bad Cop. All they know is that they're out of work or underemployed or paying too much for gas. And it's the president's fault 7 times out of 10.

What gets people to vote against Republicans on the entitlements issue is the scare tactic. When Clinton taxed SS recipients, they didn't really blame him, did they?

Often it's easy to double-think. Do the right thing and let the chips fall.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 15, 2011 06:22 PM (T0NGe)

73 >>You do know that there is NO Constitutional requirment for the President to even give Congress a proposed budget???


Article I, Section 9 : "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of
Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of
Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from
time to time."

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 15, 2011 06:23 PM (t60fX)

74 Yeah, the odds are not good -- but doing nothing doesn't make the situation any better.If the GOP/TP shows firm resolve and some nimble thinking, this may not turn into a loss --it might even turn into a win (eventually). They do need to dig in and fight though -- call this jackwagon out, repeatedly -- and not falter.They need to perhaps call the American people out as well -- no, it won't be popular, but perhaps it needs to be done.
Now is not the time to just throw in the towel.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 15, 2011 06:25 PM (5/yRG)

75 I'll be back at 8.30. You better be more optimistic ace.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 15, 2011 06:26 PM (c5RQr)

76
I think we need to push that birth certificate thingy some more Posted by: beedubya

We're not losing fast enough for you?

Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 15, 2011 06:26 PM (S59+B)

77 We conservatives keep demanding that the Republicans lead on certain issues; then when they do, we hammer them for attempting to lead an adult conversation? Reforming entitlements is a vital part of trying to win this war against the debt. If people are unwilling to deal with that, then we might as well say that this was all a good experiment and let Obama have what he wills.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 06:27 PM (yfJ6g)

78 44 What cynical? Take a good look around. Half the people are on the dole anymore. We're functionally a socialist country already.Most of us don't want to lose a dime of "ours", no matter what we "say" we think about the state of affairs in America.

More than half of all Americans pay an effective income tax of $0. And even many Conservatives view full Social Security benefits as a birthright. The sad fact is that we're much further down the socialist welfare-state path than most Americans like to believe.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 15, 2011 06:27 PM (pAlYe)

79 The other thing to note is that is kind of a double-trap. If the Republicans go all wishy-washy to avoid looking like meanies, the same Fiscal Cons who were the Big Red Wave in November will let them hear it: and then there will be a whole bunch more Freshmen congressmen next cycle.

The only way out is through.

Posted by: The Commie Left at February 15, 2011 06:27 PM (8y9MW)

80 The same drama over budgets is currently being enacted across the country in state Legislatures with Democrats at the helm. I know I harp on things at the state level a lot, but my point is the country is screwed from the dog catcher's office on up to the oval office. Too many people aren't getting how serious the budget crisis is and how things are going to have to be cut at every level.
They could raise taxes, but it's sort of hard to get money from a bunch of unemployed people and everyone is always talking about "taxing businesses" like they are a neverending gravy boat of money, but no one is acknowledging that tons of businesses are going under right now. Kind of hard to tax a business once it is out of business.

Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at February 15, 2011 06:28 PM (RZ8pf)

81 "Close the leadership gap." That's a great soundbyte line, and it should be used by the GOP every time budget matters come up. That might help keep the focus on Obama lying under a log.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 15, 2011 06:28 PM (cuNKP)

82 I JUST WANT MINE DAMNIT AND FUCK THE REST OF YOU! QWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *craps biodegradable diaper that fails him*.

Posted by: some brainless lefty dick who think he's slick by referencing bullshit against reagan made up by a b at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (zCuyP)

83 Yall can tell your grandkids that back in 2012 you threw the biggest barbs and sometimes used foul language.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (EiH7n)

84 Posted by: rdbrewer at February 15, 2011 06:28 PM (cuNKP)
Also "Failure (or Abscence) of Leadership."

I also just realized my last several comments were Sock-fails. Gah.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (8y9MW)

85 It's a trap?

Hell, no it not! Fire in the hole!!

http://tinyurl.com/4tho5x9

Posted by: Kemp at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (JpFM9)

86 The sad fact is that we're much further down the socialist welfare-state path than most Americans like to believe.

You're not very kind and gentle.

Posted by: Any Bush at February 15, 2011 06:30 PM (cuNKP)

87 58
What would George Washington do?

He'd throw a knife into heaven and fuck the shit out of bears, for starters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

Posted by: wooga at February 15, 2011 06:30 PM (2p0e3)

88 Bob Dole and Ross Perot let us down.

Mitt Romney and Donald Trump let us down.

Posted by: Bob Dole's Boner Pills at February 15, 2011 06:31 PM (JEvSn)

89 Cuts are marked in yellow
The color of the strip going down the mother fuckers back.

Posted by: sTevo at February 15, 2011 06:31 PM (VMcEw)

90 Whenever my 4 yo sees the empty suit he says that he's a bad man and wants to take his piggy bank money. Smart boy.

Posted by: KevinVegas at February 15, 2011 06:32 PM (7AIVm)

91 I was up at Louisbourg last summer and I learned an interesting fact: the French peasantry was at starvation levels for 14 YEARS before anybody got around to storming the Bastille.
Face it. Most Americans have no idea what the fuck is going on. They still rely on the MFTM for news and thought. I wish I knew how to combat that. Policy statemnents from charismatic people like Boner and McConnell aren't it. And really, a lot of people aren't feeling the pain; our warnings mean nothing when most idiots aren't getting bitched.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 15, 2011 06:32 PM (DLxD/)

92 IF communicated right we can win! unfortunately the GOP can't communicate its way out of a wet paper bag.

Posted by: NfromNC at February 15, 2011 06:32 PM (kR57Q)

93 21 My buddy and I have been talking about this for a year. Here's the problem. I think it's getting close to jumping ship. Especially if the republicans don't do what is needed. If not, where the hell do you go? If only Texas steps up and leaves.
Posted by: Tony at February 15, 2011 06:03 PM (YN7jD)

I'm not thrilled with it, but since I don't ever see myself living in the United States again and I don't know how confiscatory the US government is going to get, even with Americans living abroad, I already have the paperwork from the US consulate here to renounce my American citizenship and set up my first or two interviews today. In my mind, the safest way for me to go Galt and make sure the US doesn't have any claims on my future earnings is to give up citizenship. I'm losing everything I paid into Social Security but never expected that anyway.

I only hope the Canadian welfare state collapses too after Europe, California and then the rest of the US economy. I don't plan on being in Canada either though. As to where to go, for me, Asia.

It's depressing all around. And as I typed this, usdebtclock.org just went up another $20 million dollars.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at February 15, 2011 06:33 PM (GKQDR)

94 He'd throw a knife into heaven and fuck the shit out of bears, for starters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

Did he let the bears climax first?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 15, 2011 06:33 PM (EiH7n)

95 I understand that it can be very easy to get pessimistic, REALLY pessimistic. But, we aren't up the creek yet.

We just came over winning a historic number of seats in the House. Almost every prognosticator says that regardless of the 2012 Presidential election outcome, the Republicans will take the senate.

Even if you put all that aside, all we need to do to beat Obama is for 5% of people to change their mind on the guy and go with the GOP opponent. His trillions in debt are his, just like the jobs recession that will dog him during 2012. Oil Prices etc.

If the GOP proposes alternatives responsibly, it will not be hurt us as badly as in the past with demagoguery.

Old people, you are fine no changes. Younger people, you have to work a few more years and get a few less benefits. 51% of the public can accept that if explained thoughtfully.

Ace, all hope is not lost

By the way, nothing meaningful will happen on this the next 2 years anyway. There will be talk and posturing, but nothing real.

Posted by: Dan at February 15, 2011 06:34 PM (mXBxH)

96 I think a huge 10percent cut, the PJ O'rourke rule that there's always 10percent fat to cut could be the trick play to work.

Just slash everything.

The government union thugs talk about how they're competent and doing equivalent private sector work, then say, make do with less. Cut the pensions, cut the SS...maybe we can't cut medicare but you know, cut cut cut cut cut

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:35 PM (QxSug)

97 Posted by: some murdered nuns in el salvador at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (zCuyP)

A sock, I hope...

Posted by: KG at February 15, 2011 06:35 PM (2k/Dg)

98 Go hard or go home. Words to live by.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 15, 2011 06:35 PM (8x0JA)

99 And for the record, of what I've outlined above, my preferred desire and the only solution I see is hinted at in
16 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2011 06:01 PM (bH60M) 50 Posted by: beedubya at February 15, 2011 06:16 PM (AnTyA)

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at February 15, 2011 06:36 PM (GKQDR)

100 **he French peasantry was at starvation levels for 14 YEARS before anybody got around to storming the Bastille.**

That is why I say Great Depression 2.0.

This kind of poverty caused by idiot lefties goes on for decades.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 06:36 PM (QxSug)

101 Holy shit I just heard Hillary Clinton say that internet access is a basic human right. Another line item to add to the budget.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 15, 2011 06:36 PM (/izg2)

102
Know Your Enemy -- important ActionAlert from Kos to follow...

cont'd...

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 06:36 PM (hBqOU)

103 A sock, I hope...

Its ergie.

At least it was honest enough to say that socialized medicine needs rationing to work.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 15, 2011 06:36 PM (myA18)

104 Posted by: Canadian Infidel at February 15, 2011 06:33 PM (GKQDR)

Asia?? Ick, don't see how you think things are better there...

Posted by: KG at February 15, 2011 06:37 PM (2k/Dg)

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Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 06:38 PM (6cqZX)

106 #92

Republican fail to communicate? I don't like it any more than you men!

http://tinyurl.com/4wx4na

Posted by: Kemp at February 15, 2011 06:39 PM (JpFM9)

107 By the way, nothing meaningful will happen on this the next 2 years anyway. There will be talk and posturing, but nothing real.
Posted by: Dan at February 15, 2011 06:34 PM (mXBxH)
You sure? I was thinking of suicide, the way some of these retard Morons go on and on...

Posted by: ErikW at February 15, 2011 06:39 PM (MBBek)

108 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid.
Posted by: some murdered nuns in el salvador at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (zCuyP)
I'll have some of what he's smoking.

Posted by: Cicero at February 15, 2011 06:40 PM (QKKT0)

109 '95 can't repeat. Too much has changed. The GOP needs to let it be known that a Govt shutdown isn't the end, but the goal. At let it be known, first they'll be a shutdown, and then, spending bills will come out one at a time as well as legislation disbanding ( can they?) or at least completely defunding - including admin workarounds - EPA, Dept Ed, NPR, FCC, Interior, breakup Homeland Sec, 10 year suspension of pork grants requiring 2/3 majority to reinstate, etc.

NUCLEAR POLITICAL TIME... they want to play, man up and kick their asses... and that means the machine in Washington, ie, the Democrats

Posted by: Yip at February 15, 2011 06:40 PM (SyLEU)

110 At what point has there been enough "investment" in "Big Education"?

Over three decades ago.

If we're going to take hits, make them worth taking. Go for the jugular of the libtards' dreams.

Posted by: ya2daup at February 15, 2011 06:41 PM (yRrAd)

111
btw, Ace would only include 'cocksucker' in a post title if he was spittin' mad.

moar, pleez

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 06:41 PM (hBqOU)

112 I am sick of hearing about SS needing to be cut.

SS itself is not the problem.

Before they go for the 4th "fix" which will be just about as good as the first 3 "fixes" they had better damn well cut every other socialist program to the damn bone, including in most cases actually terminating the program and firing every government worker in it.

Until then I say fuck it. Let it collapse because that is the only way it ever will get fixed.

Posted by: Vic at February 15, 2011 06:41 PM (M9Ie6)

113 Posted by: some murdered nuns in el salvador at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM (zCuyP)

Is this Erg, or did some other retard escape from the group home?

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 15, 2011 06:41 PM (IoUF1)

114 When Andy Cuomo is saying "We can't spend anymore" In NY, Obama isn't going to be able to use the 1995 playbook.

Posted by: Iblis at February 15, 2011 06:43 PM (9221z)

115 you don"t understand,
the first step in putting out a fire is to make sure we are increasing the amount of gasoline we pour on it at a lower rate than initially projected.

simple.

Posted by: nine coconuts at February 15, 2011 06:43 PM (DHNp4)

116 104 Posted by: Canadian Infidel at February 15, 2011 06:33 PM (GKQDR)Asia?? Ick, don't see how you think things are better there...
Posted by: KG at February 15, 2011 06:37 PM (2k/Dg)

Sadly, wanting a large family, I can see me having a better standard of living over there than if I stayed in Canada, and that's even before Canada gets boned.

I think what's scary, is that, there are people like Tony and I, actually asking, "Where is the best place to live safely and raise a family?" and the automatic answer is not America or Canada.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at February 15, 2011 06:46 PM (GKQDR)

117 Republicans can make all sorts of cuts and get the defecit down to only 1 trillion and the bottom still falls out of the economy. We are at a point that the averge middle class Chinese, Brazilian, Japanese, Anycountrywiththeinternetperson KNOWS that their governments purchase of US treasuries is a direct funding of Babyboomers retirements. How long do you think that lasts?

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at February 15, 2011 06:46 PM (JpqtI)

118 Cocksucker is back? Oh boy! no more cock holster?

Shit, the next thing you know we'll have a post about the dirty Scandis.

http://tinyurl.com/63zklk8

Posted by: Kemp at February 15, 2011 06:47 PM (JpFM9)

119 Never give up - remember only about 1/3 of our fellows where in favor of American Independence; 1/3 where opposed; 1/3 didn't givea shit -- it was an 8 year cluster fuck that we only won because some uneducated farmer from Virginia knew how to lead a bunch of hobos with sticks into battle and an old man with a boner knew how to get laid by french whores and ask for money at the same time. God's plan for America always seems to find its leaders in the strangest places in the nick of time. He will show up before the next election cycle with the same kind of problems we all have but with some real solutions. Who will it be - I have no fucking idea. But I will no it when I hear it. Trust me.

Posted by: hutsul at February 15, 2011 06:48 PM (+PQfr)

120 Do I believe in Americans anymore? Less and less each day that passes.
I'm kind of tired of conservatives trumpeting American exceptionalism
because America seems in short supply of it. Scratch your average
"exceptional America" and you find an ordinary decline-and-decay
European soft "I want mine" socialist beneath.

Are you taking over for Glenn as official Doomcaster? In reality, we have to believe in the American people, at least on some level. Otherwise we can't do anything. Better thoughts than asking ourselves whether or not the American people have it in them to turn back socialism would be assuming Americans still want to be free, how do we harness their desire for freedom to turn back socialism?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 06:49 PM (LmfLh)

121 Ace, it seems a though your theory is predicated on the supposition that the economy will actually make it to 2012. At the rate things are progressing it is quite likely that bozo will be at the helm when all hell breaks loose. The important question is... how will congress deal with President Hu?

Posted by: NY Conservative at February 15, 2011 06:49 PM (P2T20)

122 #117 How long do you think that lasts?

Until they realize we can never pay them back in full. We may have already exceeded that point.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 15, 2011 06:49 PM (myA18)

123 Obama is screwing the kidz he suckered into worshipping him.
and they don't even care.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at February 15, 2011 06:49 PM (0fzsA)

124 First post here ever, so please excuse any faux pas. Seems to me that the Rs couldpush total spending back to the Ds first budget (2008 - 2.7 T, economic conditions similar to today and nobody was starving), or even a budget level from the (toliberal minds) halcion days of the Clinton presidency (2000 - 1.9 T). Make the biggest reductions in non-essential, non-welfare paying programs. Then reallocatethe approx 700 billion sittingunspent in various agency accounts to SS, Medicare and the like, and then lock-box SS, Medicare etc. while they are at it.Since these proposals would use the Ds own budgets amounts,reduce"waste", preserve (for the time being) welfare $, plus "save" SS etc, wouldn't this program avoid the trap while drastically reducing spending?

Posted by: Madkangaroo at February 15, 2011 06:51 PM (kUywJ)

125 Posted by: some murdered nuns in el salvador at February 15, 2011 06:29 PM

I weep for murdered nuns in El Salvador. The ones murdered in Thailand when they were sticking their nose in where Muslims are entitled to rule? They asked for it

Posted by: erg ryan slough steele at February 15, 2011 06:51 PM (vdfwz)

126 Ace, what you're forgetting is that it isn't only about his ego, America burning is the way he wants it. Why else would he abdicate his responsibility or at least give a tiny bit of effort. His budget wasn't even a tiny effort, it was nothing.

Posted by: Zach in Fargo at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (UlhoQ)

127
Believe in the American people?

Nah. What the American people need is a kick in the ass.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (hBqOU)

128 "Even with that reassurance and pledges of support, he decides he'd
rather watch America burn than let his precious ego take the hit of a
difficult re-election."

And then there's the possibility that he wants a crash. Maybe he's doing it to bring us into a crisis situation that he and his ilk can take advantage of.

I can no longer believe that he even gives a damn about this country.

Posted by: Cooter at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (BcLJD)

129 Pretty much the same track here in CT. The Governor just released his new budget. Nearly $2 BILLION in new taxes for next year, but hardly any cuts in spending. Now I have to pay a "tax" on a haircut, coupled with increased sales and income taxes. How the friggin heck is that gonna solve the 3 billion budget gap, cause everyone I spoke to today is going to go to New Hampshire to buy all of their stuff nowcause there is no taxes there? Even the Uber Liberal New London Day news paper sort of called him on it today. Maybe there is hope.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (NNrYJ)

130 I mean really Ace. If Chris Cristie in NJ can still have >50% approval, unabashedly implementing austerity, in NJ(The New Jersey NJ!!!) mind you. The American people still have a chance.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (LmfLh)

131 #25 "Jeez, Ace. I couldn't disagree more. This is an opportunity. The worm
has turned. The Dems will go with the same nonsense that worked in the
past, but there has been a change. If you doubt that, just ask
yourself if the GOP would have done what they have already done in the
last 2 months. Cheer up!"

I'm glad I read a few comments before sticking my 2¢ in.
You, me, and Rush -- to name a few!

Posted by: jwb7605 at February 15, 2011 06:52 PM (Qxe/p)

132 http://tinyurl.com/63zklk8
Posted by: Kemp at February 15, 2011 06:47 PM (JpFM9)

Jeez, Kemp. Thanks. I'd always wondered about that meme. 'Twas well after I'd first been here but I still totally missed it.

Posted by: jcjimi at February 15, 2011 06:53 PM (ay6+/)

133 Please God... don't let humans have immortality technology until all the Boomers are dead.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at February 15, 2011 06:53 PM (GGEUV)

134 It's unrealistic to expect BHO to 'lead' on this issue because it flat-out isn't an issue for him. It's like the liberals wanting GWB to 'lead' on 'climate change.' It was never going to happen because we just have to completely opposite world views. We should never expect any Dem to lead on this-that's what distinguishes us from them. We think it's extremely important, they don't at all. In 2010, voters rewarded the party that thought this was important. It can only get more important in 2012. The lines are drawn very clearly.

States will start to lose their credit ratings if they can't raise taxes enough to pay for their entitlements. The higher they raise taxes, the more people they will lose to lower-tax states (see WI IN vs IL) and the problem will just accelerate. They'll want to get bailed out, BHO will try to bail them out, the House will block it, and they (probably) won't get bailed out. So then what? Either bankruptcy or they just start defaulting on all their payments and gov't workers stop showing up for work.

Weird, huh? That's a terrible situation and scenario but is there really any other alternative in the real world?

I think there has been a big enough sea change in the perception of federal debt that the GOP is strongly positioned to be able to tell people in 2012 "None of these promises will come to pass. There is no money left. You're living in a make-believe world if you think otherwise." And for maybe the first time ever, it won't be perceived as scaremongering. It's true, and most everyone knows it.

I also think people still completely under-project the disaster that Obamacare is going to be in the next 2 years. It will become a major issue, a huge showdown. And we also know that the temporary GWB tax cuts expire in 2012 as well. That's two big winning issues for us. Add the debt and the knowledge that no one else is going to do anything about it, and that's 3. I like those odds. And if we lose, the ramifications will echo for a very long time afterwards.

Posted by: Christian at February 15, 2011 06:53 PM (T/CkD)

135 I agree we could lose some seats in the House in 2012 (but not the majority). I agree that 0bama could be reelected (sigh...).

But I disagree with Ace on the Senate. The GOP is almost guaranteed to pick up enough seats to get to at least a 50-50 Senate. Look at the number of seats the Dems are defending, look at their retirements (so far), and realize that they were all elected in 2006, which was a historically awful year for the GOP, particularly in the Senate. IOW, this is a relatively weak, vulnerable crop of Dem Senators.

Posted by: RJ at February 15, 2011 06:54 PM (qDPnZ)

136 You do the right thing. Not because it's always easy, fun, or popular, but because it's right. And it may not matter in the long run...we may still cliff-dive into ruin and insignificance. But, the only hope of avoiding such an outcome is to do the right thing, stall off the inevitable as long as possible and hope...hope somehow the dynamics change and allow for true reversals.

And let's face it...the R's, on the whole, are very responsible for where we find ourselves. Certainly BtotheO is kicking down the last domino with everything he's got, but our side hasn't done much to stop things up until now. In fact, the House leadership had to be drug kicking and screaming to a $100B reduction position.

Leadership indeed.

Posted by: The Hammer at February 15, 2011 06:54 PM (32ubA)

137 "We'd better start the charge before we run out of cheeseburgers."
George Washington

Posted by: humphreyrobot at February 15, 2011 06:55 PM (EiH7n)

138 If CA gov't workers stopped showing up for work due to no state money that would actually improve things here, I think.

Posted by: KG at February 15, 2011 06:55 PM (2k/Dg)

139 Pigford, Pigford, Pigford . . .

Posted by: Scoob at February 15, 2011 06:55 PM (T7+JL)

140 ...and another thing, don`t buy into all the crap the media is pushing regarding cuomo "making the hard choices" bullshit, cost me $87...EIGHTY SEVEN dollars to renew my Drivers license. Not raising taxes my ass, anyone who believes a single syllable that dribbles out of that assholes mouth is too stupid for their own good, which accounts for about 62.6% of the population of NY.

Posted by: NY Conservative at February 15, 2011 06:56 PM (P2T20)

141 I believe that the idea of America is 100% worth fighting for.

I do NOT believe that our current American culture - as a whole - is currently worth a fiddler's fart.

We should probably focus on preserving and passing on as many American ideals - unalienable rights, the consent of the governed, private property rights, etc. - to our children because the economic legacy we will leave is likely inescapable.

We're heading for total economic collapse. There's no number of Tom Coburn editorials that will change that fact.

Posted by: stickety at February 15, 2011 06:58 PM (FUDwf)

142 If they're going to go for this, they better be sure about it. The Weekly Standard reported that Cantor and even some of the Tea Party freshmen were unsure about this, so they need to get their act together and fast. Time for the leadership to be united as well.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 06:59 PM (yfJ6g)

143
Claire McCaskill was all for raising the taxes, right?

Well, even though taxes weren't raised, she, being a top income earner, will be voluntarily paying higher taxes, right?

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 06:59 PM (hBqOU)

144 When is one of our conservative Senators going to go full-on Howard Beale on the floor? Just go crazy and draw some attention to the fact that we're about to go bankrupt.

Drop some F-bombs - do something insane. Then, maybe it'll get on Youtube and a few twenty-somethings will actually see it.

Posted by: stickety at February 15, 2011 07:01 PM (FUDwf)

145 >>There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid.

Seriously, if we can't take on the moronic erg's of this country we should just lie back and take it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2011 07:01 PM (TMB3S)

146 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid. Only ace believes the bullshit.
Anyone who can do basic math knows SS has to be cut.

Of course, this math requirement rules out drooling failures like our resident Marxist cocklicker, erg.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 15, 2011 07:02 PM (reUzo)

147 I was very pessimistic when Obama won. The people had been snowed by the media in the most successful non stop propaganda campaign ever.

After careful study, I realized that even with all the propaganda, Obama would have still lost had lehman brothers not collapsed and sent the economy into a total free fall.

All hope is not lost. I know we are getting close to the point where it will all will be lost, but no eyores from now until at least november 2012!

Posted by: Dan at February 15, 2011 07:02 PM (mXBxH)

148
I was listening to Ed Shultz today and he was having a fit over Gov Walker in WI.

"We have to raise taxes. We can't let the rich get away with this scot-free."

That's exactly what he said. Get away with what, I dunno.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:04 PM (6cqZX)

149 I know the evil eye is upon us now. After turning back Pelosi's Army at Helms Deep he has learned all the old alliances are not dead, that their is still strength in Conservatism, maybe enough to oppose him. He will move quick to secure the White House in 2012.
There may be a day when America turns her back on freedom, and accepts the warmth of a government bulk wool blanket in kind with shackles and chains;
There may be a day when we turn our back on the premise that Government is intended to protect rights, not grant privilege;
There may be a day when thousands buried beneath white stone, and thousands never found will weep in their graves for slaves their children have become;
There may be a day when we as Americans confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves;
BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:04 PM (LmfLh)

150 the GOP can definitely stave off a lot of the "conservatives hate grandma" rhetoric by getting out in front of the issue and showing the American people that any entitlement reform will not touch current retirees and seniors. Instead it provides people my age, 25ish, a choice in how their tax dollars will be spent. They really should point out that 6% of our paychecks go toward a program that we will never see a dime from.

Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at February 15, 2011 07:04 PM (YhZFe)

151 Why didn't you come to me like a man and tell me to stop fucking the country?

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 15, 2011 07:05 PM (Di3Im)

152 The good lord will provide.

Posted by: Creeping Death at February 15, 2011 07:07 PM (xs5wK)

153 Time for the GOP leadership to start calling Obama out for "riding the pine" and challenging him to "get up off the bench and into the game." It's language that is accessible to the people Obama tries to impress with his mad skillz on the hardwood, and tells them what a chump he is.

Posted by: stuiec at February 15, 2011 07:07 PM (Di3Im)

154 Please God... don't let humans have immortality technology until all the Boomers are dead.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at February 15, 2011 06:53 PM (GGEUV)
I completely agree with this and I'm a Boomer. Although if erg is an example of what follows, I'd try to throw a wrench into any plans for immortality until that stupid cocksucker is flatlining and all its spawn have been destroyed or neutered.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 15, 2011 07:08 PM (eh+ki)

155 There's an even bigger problem.

Yes, the choice is between being as craven as Oblahblah, or getting hammered for doing the right thing.

But that's not the worst part. The worst part is, even if we do the right thing, it'll all come to naught (yeah, naught). Once we get voted out of office and the Democrats control the Presidency and both houses of Congress again, they'll just undo everything we managed to get done. It's (apparently) ridiculously hard to cut spending and pay down the debt, but it's easier than falling off a log to deficit spend and run up the debt.

If we can undo/defund ObamaCare, they can undo/refund any budget/entitlement fixes we enact.

I think we're screwed. The Democrats won during that 50ish years they completely dominated government. They managed to turn enough of the population into dependent socialists that the population will no longer do what is necessary to get our house in order.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 15, 2011 07:08 PM (McG46)

156 the GOP can definitely stave off a lot of the "conservatives hate grandma" rhetoric by getting out in front of the issue and showing the American people that any entitlement reform will not touch current retirees and seniors. Instead it provides people my age, 25ish, a choice in how their tax dollars will be spent. They really should point out that 6% of our paychecks go toward a program that we will never see a dime from.
Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at February 15, 2011 07:04 PM (YhZFe)
The other thing they can say is, "If we don't do anything today, you better hope Grandma passes on by 2020, because that's when the Social Security checks will start to bounce."

Posted by: stuiec at February 15, 2011 07:09 PM (Di3Im)

157 Old news. Maybe Ace isn't being metaphorical.

Posted by: sTevo at February 15, 2011 07:10 PM (VMcEw)

158 But that's not the worst part. The worst part is, even if we do the right thing, it'll all come to naught (yeah, naught). Once we get voted out of office and the Democrats control the Presidency and both houses of Congress again, they'll just undo everything we managed to get done.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 15, 2011 07:08 PM (McG46)
Look on the bright side. When the mobs with torches and pitchforks storm the castle, it'll be the Democrats inside that castle.

Posted by: stuiec at February 15, 2011 07:10 PM (Di3Im)

159 Scratch your average "exceptional America" and you find an ordinary decline-and-decay European soft "I want mine" socialist beneath.
I assume you meant "exceptional American", and more importantly, dammit, you are wrong! Under the average"exceptional American", you find a person with a spine and a conscience! Now we have to find some politicians with the same attributes who are worthy of leading those kind of Americans, and by golly, the only one I can think of offhand is by coincidence the only one they are trying to convince us cannot win!
Man up, Ace! If they want to have a war,where better to have it begin thanright here, and right now? Or do you want to waitlonger whilethey and their MSM toadies keep working diligently to get more or us disheartened?
Well do you, punk?

Posted by: sherlock at February 15, 2011 07:11 PM (Xq2WY)

160 **The French peasantry was at starvation levels for 14 YEARS before anybody got around to storming the Bastille.**

That is why I say Great Depression 2.0.

This kind of poverty caused by idiot lefties goes on for decades.

We've perfected providing a guaranteed standard of living just good enough that no politically powerful majority will ever upend it. Try to exceed the "just good enough" bennies our welfare state provides, and you will get fiscally punished. The harder you work, the greater the punishment.

Don't worry, though. Nothing serious will be cut, in nominal terms. That is impossible. We will simply print the money as every other government has done through the modern age. It won't be called printing money, it will be called "special market operations" or "debits against future assets" or "Federal Reserve lease-back pass-through repurchasing measures" or "bwana devil witchcraft juju." The name doesn't matter. The solution will be the same. Add a couple of zeros to the Fed balance sheet and shut up about it. The effect of fabricating trillions will be amortized over the whole economy and no one will dare call it counterfeiting. It's that stupid, pernicious, and inevitable.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:12 PM (AZGON)

161 I'm not feeling the respect for the office of the cocksucker of the United States.
You are 100% right.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at February 15, 2011 07:13 PM (r1h5M)

162 The only card we have up our sleeve is -- get this -- the media,

Your daughter came to my house and kicked my dog and now it needs an operation.

Posted by: Kerpal at February 15, 2011 07:13 PM (ypKYc)

163 Obama has spent his whole life being rewarded for pulling gutless punk cocksucker moves, so in our time of crisis of course he's going to be a gutless cocksucker.

He's the kid who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and tells his mom, as he wipes the crumbs from his mouth, that his brother ate all the cookies. And his mom goes over and whoops ass on his brother every single time.

So of course he tells the most outrageous lies imaginable. Of course he's going to leave the hard work to others while his lazy, soft ass goes golfing. It's gotten him money, power and accolades for his entire life. Why would he do otherwise? Character? Shame? A sense of guilt? Ha!

At every step, left wingers and their soft-bigotry of low expectations, white guilt, affirmative action bullshit have enabled this lazy-assed, dimwitted man-child.

If it wasn't this fuckwit, it would be someone else. It was inevitable.

This is the system we have created. This is what happens when we don't expect much from people who have a particular skin color --- when we all ignore what everyone goddamn knows to be the truth because we're too fucking chickenshit to stand up to chickenshit name calling: that affirmative action and political correctness are simply vehicles to promote unqualified individuals who were born into a perpetual "victim" class.

And now, even now, when this useless fuck has proven his incompetence time and time again, a majority of the population still doesn't even have the guts to say, "Hey, maybe this dipshit ain't so bright. Maybe he's a bit lazy, too. In fact, maybe he's just a slick talking huckster, whose only real talent seems to be the ability to memorize a few dishonest talking points and shameless spit them out to a lapdog media eager to suck his cock."

All this pain. This wreckage. This turmoil. All of it was made possible only because this jug-eared racist asshole happened to be brown skinned. The same guy in a lighter colored model would have rightly been kicked to the curb.

It's amazing that we've allowed our racial anxieties to exact such an astounding price--the very future of our once great nation. And all because a bunch of race-baiting leeches along with their enablers in the media made us feel guilty about something most of us had nothing to do with.

And yet, here we are. If I didn't have a wife and son to worry about, I'd probably just wake up every day laughing at the surreal absurdity of it all.




Posted by: Warden at February 15, 2011 07:13 PM (LuyVI)

164 Look on the bright side. When the mobs with torches and pitchforks storm the castle, it'll be the Democrats inside that castle.
Yep. Cut of jib, newsletter, etc.

Posted by: sherlock at February 15, 2011 07:13 PM (Xq2WY)

165 Ace is probably right about 2012... at the Orwell Off-Track Bookmaking Joint the odds of Barry winning a sound victory are five out of six.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:16 PM (AZGON)

166 >>There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid.

that word "conceivable" doesn't mean what you think it does.

Liberal pathology, absence of counterargument BIRM.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 15, 2011 07:17 PM (QxSug)

167 I am not as pessimistic. I think Obama is one and done.


Posted by: Timbo at February 15, 2011 07:18 PM (ph9vn)

168 #166
I think its a puppet.
No way someone can be that delusional about social security.

It is a shame that two years before they get tossed out, the Republicans FINALLY found their balls.

Posted by: CAC at February 15, 2011 07:19 PM (Gr1V1)

169
Look on the bright side. When the mobs with torches and pitchforks storm the castle, it'll be the Democrats inside that castle.

Yep. Cut of jib, newsletter, etc.

Posted by: sherlock at February 15, 2011 07:13 PM (Xq2WY)
I can indentify with this. But I'm pretty sure the schadenfreude will be outweighed by the screwation we'll be receiving by the time that happens.The price of credit could prevent us from crawling out of a hole that big.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 15, 2011 07:19 PM (McG46)

170 Did I mention that I won?

Oh, and by the way, fuck you.

Posted by: King Barry XV at February 15, 2011 07:20 PM (BP6Z1)

171 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid.

Good God. That a Moron could think this is scary. The general population must be completely clueless.

Here's one conceivable reason: it's a Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 15, 2011 07:21 PM (McG46)

172 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut.

I could mix acid with shrooms and still not see a world that can afford our SS program.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:22 PM (LmfLh)

173 140...and another thing, don`t buy into all the crap the media is pushing regarding cuomo "making the hard choices" bullshit, cost me $87...EIGHTY SEVEN dollars to renew my Drivers license. Cuomo, liberal as the day is long. $87, is that for 4 years? I think it's something like $29.50 here in PA for 4 years.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at February 15, 2011 07:22 PM (3Z+/3)

174 When did Allahpudnik become a co-blogger?

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:22 PM (MMC8r)

175 You know that thing they put on the credit card statements now that say:

If you pay only the minimum payment you will pay off this balance by ________

If you pay this amount $..... you will pay off this balance by ___________

Yeah, I would like to see this on what the US total debt is I bet it would make most people fall down.

Posted by: gesc at February 15, 2011 07:23 PM (+G2Ts)

176 I think its a puppet.

I've seen this dead nun guy before. He is 100% genuine troll. Perhaps the worst Troll Foo I have ever seen (Even Poon and Dum Dum were better). But a genuine troll none the less.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:23 PM (LmfLh)

177
looks like nickless doesn't enjoy his freedom...

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:23 PM (6cqZX)

178 >>>Jeez, Ace. I couldn't disagree more. This is an opportunity.

Well any crisis is potentially an opportunity but the way to bet is that it's a disaster.

I said we're 88% likely to lose. There is still that chance that somehow America can be roused from its stupor and wake up and smell the reality.

But I wouldn't advise you to bet money on that.

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:23 PM (nj1bB)

179 chill out man, we are not going to lose in 2012. you're reading too much into this.

Posted by: exceller at February 15, 2011 07:24 PM (Z7Znk)

180 When did Allahpudnik become a co-blogger?

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:22 PM (MMC8r)
Oh so you liked being banned?

Posted by: FUBAR at February 15, 2011 07:24 PM (McG46)

181 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut.

True. When the money goes dry, it will happen on its own.

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:25 PM (MMC8r)

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:25 PM (MMC8r)

183 You don't turn around a mess in one election cycle after 2 disasters ( 06 & 0.
To me , 2010 was stopping the legislative insanity - Obama was always going to continue to be the Alinsky weasel no matter if he lost every single seat in Congress. The budget was always going to be a political booby trap- socialist dead enders have many methods. Rule by regulations is his trump card right now.
The GOP needs to make the cuts ( any cuts), propose the reforms and let Reid and Obama create the critical inflection point for 2012 by killing them.
Then it will up to the nominee to effectively hammer this skunk during the campaign- which would be a huge change from the pussy footing of the McCain and Bob Dole types.
It's also why Christie or even Daniels could really resonate as the nominee- they are the fiscal leaders , not some craven subversive like the president.

Posted by: jjshaka at February 15, 2011 07:25 PM (oNJ1r)

184 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut. This is stupid.

Hey, thanks for that powerful fact-filled rebuttal, genius.

In 2015, we will be paying 550 billion in interest alone on the federal budget. That projection is using current interest rates that cannot stay as low as they are now.

What you and every lefty need to do is take a basic business math course and Econ 101. If we want to balance the budget, we need across the board recessions to avoid the asinine political posturing that landed us where we are now. We also need to get the economy moving and there is absolutely zero in this budget or on the horizon to indicate that the administration is even trying to do that.

Leftist economics coupled with an expansive welfare state don't even work in theory. In actual practice, they lead to catastrophe.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 15, 2011 07:25 PM (zzIii)

185 We can't let the rich get away with this scot-free."That's exactly what he said. Get away with what, I dunno

Their own earnings....

Posted by: KZnextzone at February 15, 2011 07:26 PM (ZUWaD)

186 The main battle was lost long ago when we stopped talking about whether the government should even be providing the vast social-welfare apparatus, and started talking about simply whether such a thing was affordable. In other words, we basically said, "Yes, a vast welfare-state is desirable; the only question is how to afford it." We(conservatives) conceded the basic argument long ago -- now we're only arguing about how to pay for it.
This battle may have been lost long ago -- maybe as far back as the Civil War/Reconstruction era. Certainly by the FDR/New Deal era. And most certainly by the Great Society era. Any substantial reversal is going to requirenot just political will, but an enormously charismatic and principled leadership: not just a President, but Senators and Representatives who are willing to sacrifice their own careers to cut away some of this cancer before it kills us all. The citizenry will not do it on their own, not even the Tea Party folks; the absolute resistance to any Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid cuts shows that.
We may find, as Lincoln did, that a solution to the problem may not be a democratic one. The solution may have to be imposed on a recalcitrant populace...and I'm not sure that anyone has the belly for it. Our politicians may prefer to wait for events to overtake us.

Posted by: Monty at February 15, 2011 07:27 PM (omdTj)

187 You know, there are plenty of places around the world that are out of the way, where the governments are weak. A couple thousand people with weapons could set themselves up pretty well. Kick out the locals, farm, set up small communities. It'd be hard, but in a decade or two things would be running pretty well...

Posted by: Alex at February 15, 2011 07:27 PM (x40U+)

188 These from the gut posts are always ace's best.

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 15, 2011 07:27 PM (npr0X)

189 I've said this before here, but I'll say it again. We were going to lose in 2012, anyway. Christie won't run, and no one out there has the star power to challenge this Dolt-in-Chief. (As much as I hate to admit that.) Combine that with the fact that far too many people will re-elect this moron because they don't want to be called racists, and you can just end the election right now.

Let the GOP do the right thing, and history will tell the story. A story about the worst two-termer in American history; a man who was more concerned with his celebrity than the interests of the nation.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 15, 2011 07:27 PM (8QW6p)

190 9
This is why I think Chris Christie needs to run in 2012.

Posted by: Tobias at February 15, 2011 06:00 PM (YcQtu)

We don't think so.

Posted by: NRA at February 15, 2011 07:27 PM (EL+OC)

191 I am more concerned about how the economic situation affects the American character than the economic situation itself. As ace alluded to and as Mark Steyn often talks about, excess government spending swiftly turns a nation of men into a nation of slaves.

Posted by: JP at February 15, 2011 07:28 PM (8s9tr)

192
Of course Obama is gonna win in 2012 -- our nominee will spend the last two months of the campaign running from the base and trying to reach across the aisle.

We have a razor-thin majority in the House which we'll be lucky to keep. The Senate is within reach, but again, we run pussies, so gaining 4 seats (plus making up for the two seats we're gonna lose) is a steep climb.

This isn't pessism. This is reality. Ask yourself, if the elections were held today, who'd win. Yeah, exactly.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:29 PM (6cqZX)

193 Whoops, sorry.

I don't think I have any exceptions from the cutting process. Defense, entitlements, gay muslim outreach, I'll look at anything. I'll even sign on to a blanket cut across the board, except nothing.

Of course Democrat voters will vote only for more spending. But the middle? We're currently borrowing 40% of what we spend-- if we have to raise interest yields to get more suckers to finance us, it will rise.

Can anyone with a fraction of sense think that's sustainable, even the mind-numbed middle?

Or can we, this time, use the catchphrase, 'for the chillllllllduuuuurrrrnnnn?'


Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:31 PM (MMC8r)

194 So if Ace is going to say that we are going to lose the House and lose more seats in the Senate ( I don't believe we will) then will you finally admit it Ace, that this is the hill to die on? No more compromise, no more McCains, Snowes, Collins, etc. If we are fucked I'd prefer to go down with some principles.

Posted by: mpfs at February 15, 2011 07:31 PM (iYbLN)

195 >> Our politicians may prefer to wait for events to overtake us.
Monty

Play at your own risk .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 15, 2011 07:32 PM (npr0X)

196 Ace, this post is absolute, utter nonsense and bull.

Why are you parroting the left's preferred narrative that this is going to be all peaches and gravy and unicorn skittles for Obama?

I'm not sure if you remember but the GOP was just elected to a sizable majority in the house TO CUT SPENDING AND KEEP THE DEFICIT UNDER CONTROL AND TO ROLL BACK THE LEFTWARD LURCH. And now that they're, God forbid, actually going to attempt to do it we're going to sit here and throw our effing hands up and claim horrific and unavoidable defeat in the upcoming elections? Have you lost your damn mind? If this is what you truly believe I feel sorry that you suddenly and inexplicably have become a squish, and of, quite frankly, the very worst variety.

This is the damn fight we've been waiting for. Your reaction is like getting to the Super Bowl, having the other team win the coin toss but electing to punt, and getting so freaked out that you forfeit the game on the spot.

The Republicans have grown a pair, Obama has abdicated responsibility, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. Let's seize the day instead of whining about how hard it's going to be.


Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at February 15, 2011 07:33 PM (NrnG8)

197 The main battle was lost long ago when we stopped talking about whether the government should even be providing the vast social-welfare apparatus, and started talking about simply whether such a thing was affordable

Monty as usual puts the bullet on the target's center.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:33 PM (AZGON)

198 Here's a video with charts about the new budget. If you go to 2min, you'll see the red lines are edging ever closer to being off the chart (literally).

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 07:33 PM (yfJ6g)

199 The main battle was lost long ago when we stopped talking about whether
the government should even be providing the vast social-welfare
apparatus
That's where I disagree. Philisophically we can argue about the purpose and roll of government till we are blue in the face. Philosophical debates can be like that when people hold fundamentally different beliefs about the state of man. Exposing the bias against self determination in liberal philosophy is more complicated and involved than the squishy moderates have patience for. Especially when one side is waving money (That used to be theirs but they forgot that) at them.

But the FACT that socialism DOES NOT WORK!
For various real world reasons. Including unaffordability. Well that's an easier argument to have and win.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:34 PM (LmfLh)

200 I actually think there is a market for common sense out there, waiting to be tapped. The vast majority understand that the country is on the fast track to insolvency. Still, there is this congitive dissonance between the happy talk from Obama and the weak tea from the congressional republicans. Burst that bubble, and you've suddenly got a nation of deficit hawks and Mitch Daniels starts to look like a President.
Easy? hell no. Who said anything about easy. It's an existential struggle for the continuation of the country in anything likes its current form. It's our WWII, our Civil War, our Cold War. Those struggles were alwayshard, and victorywas never sure or total.For now, all we can do is get to work and do the right thing. If Obama somehow is re-elected, well, I'd trade a re-elected Obama for fiscal solvency any day.
BTW - I agree that an across the board X% cut is the most politically feasible way to go about it. If we can't get a Ryan Roadmap and a planned approach, at least we give everyone the impression that we are all getting screwed together.

Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf: So do all who see such times. But that is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that we are given

Posted by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate at February 15, 2011 07:34 PM (Hj9yW)

201
Does this sum up Ace's post?

Democrats: Green Bay Packers
GOP: Notre Dame

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:35 PM (hBqOU)

202 I know I am late to the thread, and this may already have been said, but this is what happens when fifty percent of the populace does not have a stake in the future of the country because they do not pay any taxes. Make everybody pay taxes so that they will care about what happens to the country.

Posted by: Harry at February 15, 2011 07:35 PM (uPEnP)

203 When is one of our conservative Senators going to go full-on Howard
Beale on the floor? Just go crazy and draw some attention to the fact
that we're about to go bankrupt

Am I the only one who daydreams about doing this sometimes? I would love to be senator for a day and go insane on national tv.

Posted by: JP at February 15, 2011 07:35 PM (8s9tr)

204 >>>Are you taking over for Glenn as official Doomcaster? In reality, we have to believe in the American people, at least on some level.

I waver. Lately, no. Obama is counting on their being a 60% supermajority for surreality and I betya he's right.

This is what we have to do... Fine. I get that. I'm on the team.

But as for being rewarded for doing the right thing...?

This is a big argument I have with what I call (when I'm angry) the Purity Conservatives. It's that they think that if they do the right thing (push straight-up conservatism) they're going to be tangibly rewarded for it. As in, not just moral victories, but victories.

I don't believe that's how the world works. Never did. I think it's the uncommon case where virtue is rewarded -- it's not that it doesn't happen, it just happens sort of infrequently. 60% of the time, virtue is, as the saying goes, its own reward, and usually there is a tangible punishment for doing the right thing.

No good deed goes unpunished; virtue is its own reward. I believe these two sayings, or, at least, I think they're right in most situations.

So I'm in for this. It's the right thing to do.

But I do not think as a general rule the right thing to do gets rewarded, not in politics. (I mean, in life, living by rules and paying your taxes and staying married and such does reward you. But in things like politics.)

So it's my hunch this will go rather badly for us.

But, as Jayne Cobb said, if you can't do something smart do something right.

I am prepared for a moral victory and actual defeat. If we are successful, my faith in America will be partly restored.

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:36 PM (nj1bB)

205 (As a Senator) We're just tax collectors for the welfare state.

Posted by: Bob Fucking Dole at February 15, 2011 07:36 PM (XEJpF)

206 ace turns haiku into headline.

Posted by: sTevo at February 15, 2011 07:37 PM (VMcEw)

207 I said we're 88% likely to lose. There is still that chance that
somehow America can be roused from its stupor and wake up and smell the
reality.



But I wouldn't advise you to bet money on that.

Hard to argue with your numbers because I don't know how you arrived at them. This isn't a quantitative thing anyway, it's an interpretation of the gestalt. And I think it looks good. Maybe even schadenwood good. Sure, it could still go south, but I think the odds are in our favor. I'll bet you a doughnut. And ownership of your blog.

Posted by: pep at February 15, 2011 07:37 PM (P18+/)

208 >>>I know I am late to the thread, and this may already have been said, but this is what happens when fifty percent of the populace does not have a stake in the future of the country because they do not pay any taxes. Make everybody pay taxes so that they will care about what happens to the country.

I agree with that. One thing I really did not like about Bush's tax cut is that it removed millions and millions of people from the income tax rolls entirely.

I thought that was a bad idea. Cut their taxes, okay, sure; we all should get a tax cut. But it always struck me as long-term-stupid to make so, so many people absolutely immune to the bite of taxation, that is, only the "gettin'" end of the regime.

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:38 PM (nj1bB)

209 There is no conceivable reason why Social Security needs to be cut.

True. When the money goes dry, it will happen on its own.

Come on now, darling. You know you will do it. You will just print it. Look at, lying there, gleaming in a varnish of machine oil under basement lamps. Stacks of fresh, virginal paper and carboys of heady, thixotropic ink giving off aphrodisiac odors.

You won't be able to resist. It may not be all at once, it may not be for another ten years. But you will ravish me. Over and over.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve Printing Press at February 15, 2011 07:38 PM (AZGON)

210
This isn't pessism. This is reality. Ask yourself, if the elections were held today, who'd win. Yeah, exactly.



Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:29 PM (6cqZX)

Not Obama. It was just November that dems were thrown out. Check the 'swing' states... how did they just vote? Stop looking at the coasts.. who gives a shit about them, they dont decide elections.
Obama is one and done.

Posted by: Timbo at February 15, 2011 07:38 PM (ph9vn)

211 (this either proves he is stupid or profoundly cynical)

Stanley Kurtz thinks he is neither. Rather, that this entirely his intention.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at February 15, 2011 07:39 PM (VKRmb)

212 Wow Watson is kicking ass on Jeopardy

Posted by: buzzion at February 15, 2011 07:39 PM (oVQFe)

213 But I do not think as a general rule the right thing to do gets
rewarded, not in politics. (I mean, in life, living by rules and paying
your taxes and staying married and such does reward you. But in things
like politics.)

Not just in politics. Lots of people in this country don't just skate by but thrive for being scumbags. Look at half of Hollywood or all of MSNBC.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 15, 2011 07:39 PM (8QW6p)

214 What would Reagan have done? A partial?

Posted by: dagny: logprof lives! at February 15, 2011 07:39 PM (l3g1A)

215 If the Republicans get ahead of this and demand it, there is a third scenario.
Obama gets reelected for 'saving the country'
Republicans maintain the House and gain the Senate for their "leadership"- when the rest of Obama's party balked. Think back to the tax debate in December- Obama "caved" (though he really didn't, we did), his party bitched and moaned.

Don't think for a second if it CEMENTS his reelection that Obama won't throw his own party under the bus.
I give this about a <0.000001% chance, but don't rule it out.

Posted by: CAC at February 15, 2011 07:40 PM (Gr1V1)

216
You can't ignore what happened in CA and MA in November.

It shows how irrational people can be and that is, well, concerning.



Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:41 PM (hBqOU)

217 See, I wouldn't have voted for this, if I were part of these closed-door negotiations. I would have voted for the cowardly way.

Now, I'm sort of happy that the die has been cast for the courageous way-- I like being on the courageous team even if I personally would have voted for the cowardly option -- but I'm still worried shitless.

For 60 years the iron rule of politics has been Entitlements are the Third Rail of poliitics and if you touch it you get electrified. Bush touched it a little with his private-contribution proposal, and when at first he didn't suffer for this, a democrat said (and I quote) "that's because we didn't turn on the juice yet."

When they did turn on the juice, everyone ran from it.

We'll see how it goes. I am hopeful. I like Hollywood endings where the good guys win. I hold out hope for that.

But if I had money to bet...?

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:41 PM (nj1bB)

218 203
Am I the only one who
daydreams about doing this sometimes? I would love to be senator for a
day and go insane on national tv.

It's not the same, but here's Senator Jeff Sessions going after OMB Director Jacob Lew:

“Well I can’t respect a position that suggests this budget reduces the
debt!

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 07:42 PM (yfJ6g)

219 if you can't do something smart do something right.

He stood up to the man and gave him what for!
Our love for him now aint hard to translate.
The hero of HQ the man we call Ace!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:44 PM (LmfLh)

220
The only chance the Republicans in winning the pr war is to start communicating with the American people.

It can't be done through the press. So they need to figure out how to circumvent the media and make their case to the American people.

Otherwise Obama and the Democrats shape the narrative and keep the Republicans on defense.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:44 PM (6cqZX)

221 We may find, as Lincoln did, that a solution to the problem may not be a democratic one.
Or we may find, as Obama did, that all of the deception inherent with contemporary American democracy may provide the solution.
Social Security doesn't need to be cut; it needs to be completely overhauled. (by overhauled, I mean eliminated.) With enough sugar coating (lying) The American people can be convinced that such an overhaul is actually in their best interests.
Then when people don't get their checks, you can say it was Obama's fault.

Posted by: FireHorse at February 15, 2011 07:45 PM (k3RPu)

222 Our only possible way of winning on this is if the media goes all-in
exposing Obama's and the Democrats' lies on the subject and defends the
GOP.

Baloney. Chris Christie isn't being defended by the media, and most deep-blue New Jersians support what he's doing. Also, the 2010 election saw the GOP make huge gains, even though the media went all out in support of Obama and the Dems. Americans want what the GOP is going to push for.

Americans always do the right thing eventually. And American exceptionalism is on full display every day. The tea party continues to grow in influence, and we've been fighting a war now for over ten years with an all-volunteer military.

No other industrialized nation has done that. To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Llarry at February 15, 2011 07:45 PM (jzyXU)

223 JP--You're watching too much C-Span

Posted by: dagny: logprof lives! at February 15, 2011 07:45 PM (l3g1A)

224 Remember how the USSR's leadership controlled everyone through a welfare state, total media control, and government sponsored jobs, yet still collapsed? Economics are like the laws of physics. They can be bent, but not broken. Eventually whatever scheme the Democrats cook up is going to fail.

I'd rather not go through what central and eastern Europe had to do through to learn to reject socialism en masse, but it may be the experience necessary to put this shit to bed.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 15, 2011 07:46 PM (ijjAe)

225 You can't ignore what happened in CA and MA in November.

That should scare everyone. Clownifornia leads the nation all too often. We doubled down on lunacy last November in CA, and it is not a poor bet to think that attitude is spreading.

Good call about the Bush tax cuts eliminating many from the tax rolls. That was an awful idea. Everyone ought to have to pay something and, more strongly, fucking deal with the tax collection bureaucracy.

Make everyone an independent contractor for a year and you would destroy much of the current revenue collection system. Sadly that's only a fantasy.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:46 PM (AZGON)

226
btw, speaking of X-X-tie...

notice how many town halls he has?

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:46 PM (hBqOU)

227 Did I read that right? Ace said something about putting faith in the Make Believe Media?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 15, 2011 07:47 PM (A/oSU)

228 I'm voting straight Prog from now on. The sooner this collapses the sooner I can stop paying those union pensions. Let's get this over with and move on to something really exciting.Ana nana ana nana anca canar arca archa archy!11!!!1!1!!111!

Posted by: Serene Branson shouts Donald Trump at February 15, 2011 07:47 PM (le5qc)

229 For 60 years the iron rule of politics has been Entitlements are the
Third Rail of poliitics and if you touch it you get electrified.
Well they were the poison pill. The Libbies knew that when they got them passed. I am heartened by Chris, and his success in NJ. It what gives me hope that folks, at least a president electing majority. Know the score and understand, now, what has to be done.

And if that is true, we can thank O and his 1.5 trillion dollar deficit for waking them up to reality.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:47 PM (LmfLh)

230 When they did turn on the juice, everyone ran from it.

Ace, you are assuming that there is only one switch. I have some faith that the math is beginning to sink in, otherwise the Democrats would have skated in November. Remember that the most striking Republican gains were in places that really put Obama in an electoral corner--Ohio, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. Setting aside the entitlements question, his economic policies will not get those places moving again in the next twenty months.

I think a very simple message from an earth-tone candidate will work next year. Let's also not forget that international affairs have a nasty way of intruding on wishes to keep things domestic. We have a very long way to go.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 15, 2011 07:48 PM (zzIii)

231 The only chance the Republicans in winning the pr war is to start communicating with the American people.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:44 PM (6cqZX)

If Christie can do ANYTHING as a RINO, he has the political capital of telling the ugly truth and NOT (so far) getting hammered for it in the polls of his own state. Cuomo is doing the same thing (and being called a DINO now by his party) in New York. They are banking their political futures on being the "cutting and gutting" villians-turned-heroes. If Ryan and the Republicans were actually slick enough, they would ask Cuomo, who has publicly criticized his own party's refusal to go after sacred cows, to talk about the problem from his liberal angle, Christies from the more conservative one- and use this and the debt commission's recommendations as part of the "straight talk".

Soothsayer is right on the front about the PR war. If we WIN this PR war...Obama is totally and utterly fucked.

If we lose the PR war...


we all are.

Posted by: CAC at February 15, 2011 07:48 PM (Gr1V1)

232
In MA the people voted down a cut in the sales tax.

Who does that???

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:48 PM (hBqOU)

233 f you can't do something smart do something right.

Heh heh... reminds me of William S. Burroughs who somewhere wrote "As one judge said to another, 'Be just. If you can't be just, be arbitrary.'"

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:48 PM (AZGON)

234 The vote on S228 is coming up. The bill to stop the EPA from imposing new greenhouse gasrestrictions or backdoor cap n' trade. Call your senators.

Posted by: dagny: logprof lives! at February 15, 2011 07:49 PM (l3g1A)

235 That should scare everyone. Clownifornia leads the nation all too often.

Well hopefully as America watches us crash and burn, they will reconsider following us this time.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:49 PM (LmfLh)

236 The main problem with "entitlement reform" is that the left has done a really yeoman job over the past 100 years or so in making "wants" into "rights". The Founders believed that we had the right to pursue happiness, not necessarily to achieve it; the left believes that happiness is a right, and thus whatever it takes to achieve happiness is therefore also a right. And they've turned the government into the gatekeeper for all of these myriad "rights".
So what you end up with are people who think their entitlements are actually wages, or vested benefits that they have a "right" to. Any attempt to remove these entitlements, or even to reduce them, is met with rage and denial -- because their "rights" are being violated.
The Founders were wise in establishing the concept of "natural rights". That is to say, a government did not grant you rights; it was simply obliged to respect the rights you were born with as a human being. A government could not grant new "rights" because it had no power to do so. Yet around the time of Woodrow Wilson, the "progressives" started their long march towards making the Federal government the grantor of all manner of "rights". And so began the metastasization of the welfare state -- a place where every want is a right, where every problem has a program, and where every hand is thrust out in supplication for money from the public treasury.

Posted by: Monty at February 15, 2011 07:50 PM (omdTj)

237 Call your senators.
Who Babs and Diane?
No I don't want to be laughed at by staffers today.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 15, 2011 07:50 PM (LmfLh)

238
You'd think Greece would've scared CA straight.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:51 PM (hBqOU)

239 In MA the people voted down a cut in the sales tax. Who does that???
About 10 years ago Virginia had a referendum to raise it's sales tax. They went all out with signs and commercials--full boat expensive constant ad campaign. They were confident. Bill went down 85% voted against it. Funny as hell.

Posted by: dagny: logprof lives! at February 15, 2011 07:51 PM (l3g1A)

240 Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:41 PM (nj1bB)
Lord Ace in a Cardigan!
You would have been great at the "Charge of the Light Brigade".

Posted by: hornyfemaledolphin at February 15, 2011 07:52 PM (Bszq2)

241 Look, for those of you arguing there's hope, I don't disagree there's hope, and obviously, I WANT you to be right.

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 07:52 PM (nj1bB)

242 Cuccinelli to testify in front of the house judiciary committee tomorrow at 9:30

Posted by: dagny: logprof lives! at February 15, 2011 07:52 PM (l3g1A)

243 whoops
hornyfemalesockOFF!

Posted by: garrett at February 15, 2011 07:52 PM (Bszq2)

244 Geez loueeze. If, in February '09, someone had predicted that the Republicans would win the House with a pickup of 60+ seats and that the Tea Party would be the single biggest player in the mid-term elections, the same doom-and-gloom mongers would have scoffed and snorted.

I will say now what I've said all along: The nomination will go to the person the primary electorate believes will fight for them. 2012 will be a Ruling Class vs. Main Street street fight and there is only one candidate on the Right with the cred needed to take on Obama and his court. Do you think the Left have relented in their attacks on Sarah Palin? Have they shifted their collective sights onto another opponent? Not only no on both counts, but the evidence is plain that the MSM and Left blogosphere have intensified their Palin bashing. They fear her.

As gas prices rise; as the employment numbers drift; as the inflation indices show steady, upward movements; Obama's chances for re-election will crater.

Posted by: mrp at February 15, 2011 07:53 PM (HjPtV)

245 If californians actually put the taxes to a vote as Brown is trying to force the Republicans to cave and let happen...
they are likely to vote the extensions down- they did it by a 2-1 margin across the state in 2009.
The alternative budget plan Brown is trying to leak to scare people into voting for the taxes shows a $29 billion dollar cut in government.

We vote no, Brown is forced to gut it.
I actually think the Republicans in Sacramento should cave and let the tax go down in flames as a total repudiation of Brown (btw in March 2009 the tax extension was leading in polls by a 5 pt margin (bull) and failed by a 33 point margin because most of the typical November braindead electorate didn't show up at all). Brown then has a choice to do what he promised- or go behind voters backs and still raise taxes.

As idiotic as this state is, even the liberals won't raise their own taxes- they want to raise OTHER peoples taxes, but not their own.

I actually have hope (if Brown's Doomsday button gets hit) because it has gotten SO bad.

Posted by: CAC at February 15, 2011 07:53 PM (Gr1V1)

246
Michelle Bachmann was on with Laura Ingrahamcrackers today and it sounds like the Republican leadership have no contingency plan when Obama tells them to stuff it.

There is no Plan B.

No Phase II.

Nothing. They have no plan after "We will de-fund Obamacare." And it sounds like govt shutdown is definitely off the table.

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:53 PM (hBqOU)

247 I don't think that the Republicans walked into a trap. That's a distortion and an exaggeration.
I'm confident that Republicans will deal with Obama's sleazy shenanigans appropriately.
The demeanors of Boehner and Ryanshow that they're run out of patience with Obama's childish cutesiness already, after less than a month.
That street hustler and decadent dilettante in the White House isn't going to put anything over on Republicans. Only his slimy shills in the MSM are saying that he will. Of which there isn't any credible evidence.

Posted by: Brian at February 15, 2011 07:54 PM (sYrWB)

248 Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:53 PM (hBqOU)
Relax, Phase 3 is= Proft!

Posted by: RNC at February 15, 2011 07:55 PM (Bszq2)

249
Save us, Prince Rebus!

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 07:56 PM (hBqOU)

250 California is convinced that the rest of us are going to ride to their rescue.

Californians are always convinced that they're the center of the Universe and that everyone else can't live without them. I think they're in for a shock.

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:56 PM (MMC8r)

251 First off, there is no doubt now that Obama is completely worthless and totally in over his head. This guy's speech at the Chamber of Commerce the other day was so awkward. It was obvious (even though we already knew this) that he's never spent a day in his life running a business, meeting a payroll, etc. I mean this in the most sincere, non-partisan manner possible: this man is simply not qualified to be President of the United States and it is a national embarrassment that he currently occupies the position. It really, truly is. He is less qualified than Jimmy Carter who at least occupied the Governor's mansion in Georgia at one point? What does Obama bring to the table? A nice fucking jump shot?
But he's in office and we have to deal with it.

On the other hand, I think Ace is being far too pessimistic here. If anything, isn't Chris Christie demonstrating in real time that Ace is wrong? If we can get a well-spoken, telegenic speaker speaking on behalf of these issues, there is no reason we can't win on this. Oh...what's that? We already have one and his name is Paul Ryan?

Well step one accomplished. So now step two - let's fucking do this. Ace, are you seriously going to claim America as a whole is less conservative than New Jersey where Chris Christie is slashing the budget and being REWARDED for it politically?

Posted by: Phil. at February 15, 2011 07:57 PM (I3QJN)

252 Greece? Scare anyone? Not a chance. I guarantee you a large majority of voters heard about riots in Greece, but saw they lasted a couple of days and ended. They see you can still take a luxurious vacation in Greece. The power is still on there, people still eat, sleep, work, raise kids. The grocery store is full and there is a Gap open in downtown Athens. So they dismiss the problems Greece has as just "politics" and "greedy bankers."

Not many voters think more deeply than this, and I swear if you can book a lovely vacation in Place X, that proves Place X is just fine as far as most people are concerned.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 07:58 PM (AZGON)

253 You can also run with the plank that 'The More Government Does, the Less Gets Done.'

Blame the economy on the government doing too much, swallowing too much, regulating too much. It's the truth.

Cite the Stimulus. Massive spending, massive debt, massive power, no stimulus.

Make cutting the Real Stimulus. Getting government out of the way will bring back the economy.

Posted by: nickless at February 15, 2011 07:59 PM (MMC8r)

254 >>> If anything, isn't Chris Christie demonstrating in real time that Ace is wrong?

Entitlement reforms are different. Christie is taking on a minority -- government workers. Entitlements not only affect far more people (like, a huge amount) but everyone, in theory, will one day receive these entitlements.

It's harder than what Christie's doing.

Posted by: ace at February 15, 2011 08:01 PM (nj1bB)

255 I like Dennis Prager's dictum "The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen."

Posted by: George Orwell at February 15, 2011 08:04 PM (AZGON)

256 Entitlements not only affect far more people (like, a huge amount) but
everyone, in theory, will one day receive these entitlements.

But if the polls are to be believed, very few ever expect to get those entitlements, so cutting them won't be a loss. Younger people don't vote on SS and Medicare anyway.

Posted by: pep at February 15, 2011 08:05 PM (P18+/)

257 246
Michelle Bachmann was on with Laura Ingrahamcrackers today and it
sounds like the Republican leadership have no contingency plan when
Obama tells them to stuff it. [...]

That's not what I've heard. Some reps were saying today that a shutdown is on the table but they might decide to shoot for limited CRs and they've said they have a number of options with the debt ceiling. They also have legislation beyond defunding O-Care. Anyway, a good poker player doesn't show all their cards and Boehner is actually rather good at that sort-of-thing.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 08:08 PM (iMgAa)

258 You want cynical?

There's going to be a war.

Just remember, God is on our side if we do the right thing.

Posted by: Pawn at February 15, 2011 08:09 PM (1Ol6/)

259 257
246 What I meant with the last is that Boehner is a better poker player than some of his colleagues and Bachmann isn't helping by implying they have no plan when I've heard other leaders (leaders, not leadership) say that the options are there on the table.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 08:13 PM (iMgAa)

260 Does this sum up Ace's post?Democrats: Green Bay PackersGOP: Notre Dame
With Obama as Dan Devine coaching both at the same time.

Posted by: booter at February 15, 2011 08:18 PM (w43sl)

261
we'll see...

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 15, 2011 08:18 PM (hBqOU)

262 I don't think it's a trap, we'll maybe on some shallow political level it may be.
More likely it's beltway kabuki by both parties.
Neither party is serious about this country's financial situation.
Neither party is serious about real fiscal sanity and entitlement reform.
And neither party gives a fuck about the American people.
We're facing fiscal issues that simply cannot be overcome unless we have draconian cuts in the federal budget that results in the ability to actually retire debt, not just service the interest. Between the moochers who work for .gov and the Boomers easing into retirement, there is not the political will nor a voting block that will impose the austerity required to solve our fiscal insanity.
We need for the Boomers to just die off reducing the entitlement burden or wait for some external force that forces the issue.
The reality is that Doomsday will come a lot sooner than we all think and certainly before we bury the Boomer generation. And when that day comes, it will make protests in Greece and Egypt look like a walk in the park. We have 22M people who work for government at some level. A million less in manufacturing. Half of our population do not pay taxes, living off the tax revenue generated by the rest of us trying to make a decent living and trying to live life in an honest American way. Yet this country continues to vote for the same slimey fucks that voted for TARP, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D and the list can go on and on. You think last November was a political tsunami? No fucking way. The GOP talks about $100M in budget cuts, then it gets reduced to $32M and only back to $100M through smoke and mirrors.
They are not serious. They are part of the problem.
$100M is not even a good starting point. $750M is a good starting point and it needs to go well beyond that.
This nation is one big $50,000 salary that has bought a $500,000 house with an interest only loan. When the rate goes up? BOOM. or in our case:
DOOM.

Posted by: theadmiral at February 15, 2011 08:18 PM (fGbHT)

263 While I agree with you Ace that entitlements are harder to reform, I go back to my earlier point: are you going to claim that America as a whole is less conservative than New Jersey? And I would submit that Paul Ryan is a better spokesperson for this than Chris Christie is. We can pretend that a telegenic presence doesn't matter but we're kidding ourselves. And if you haven't noticed, Chris Christie is a bit overweight....

Yes, the public is pretty stupid for caring about these kinds of things, but let's not pretend that they don't. Paul Ryan is like the fucking Golden Child right now and we should be awfully glad he's occupying the current position he's in.

Posted by: Phil. at February 15, 2011 08:18 PM (I3QJN)

264 258 You're probably right; although that second statement holds a lot of cold comfort for a sinner such as myself.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 15, 2011 08:23 PM (5/yRG)

265 258 You want cynical? There's going to be a war.Just remember, God is on our side if we do the right thing.

And the United States will suffer a crisis of spirit.

Religious thing, somebody told me that about 30 years ago, in a discussion of "the end times". Very well educated historian -- not a Christian, but very religious and very well versed on many religions.

Rest of the world allegedly doesn't fare quite as well from a simple survival perspective.

We're getting closerer and closerer.

Posted by: jwb7605 at February 15, 2011 08:26 PM (Qxe/p)

266 Entitlement reforms are different. Christie is taking on a minority --
government workers. Entitlements not only affect far more people (like,
a huge amount) but everyone, in theory, will one day receive these
entitlements.



It's harder than what Christie's doing.

It's all about government spending. Politicians who are cutting government spending are receiving broad support. It's a "preference cascade" that's sweeping the country.

Americans are terrified about government spending. If the GOP explains itself the way Christie is doing, Obama's re-election plan will fail.

Posted by: Llarry at February 15, 2011 08:27 PM (jzyXU)

267 263 I'm a huge Ryan fan, but it's going to take more than just him hammering-away at this for us to win this battle. This is where the dedicated Tea Party freshmen could make a big difference and I'm hoping they step-up on this issue. Otherwise, the GOP is going to look unserious and the voters will wonder why entitlement reform is even an issue.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 15, 2011 08:36 PM (yfJ6g)

268 "If I were advising, I'd have strongly advised the GOP to lead on domestic spending cuts -- Jim DeMint's 250 billlion in cuts, not Rand Paul's 500 billiion, just because 250 billion seems less scary to your average American Idiot -- so that they could then announce to the public, "See? We've chopped a fair amount out. But we're still going bankrupt. Do you understand now that this problem can't just be solved with cuts to domestic programs?""


Yes, except when Demint came out with the idea, your advice was "he's distracting from the focus on the $100B!!! He needs to shut his fool mouth!!!"

I may be paraphrasing.


But then the Republicans came out with $31B. Great. And the Tea Party guys said, oh, hell no, so now we are back on the $100B.

And now, sudddenly, you are like, oh man, shoulda gone for the $250B.

Really? Now?

Thanks for the support.

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2011 08:39 PM (aU7Ox)

269 The Humungus: There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.

Posted by: State of the Union Address circa 2016 at February 15, 2011 08:41 PM (nIoiW)

270 Christ Ace cheer up. Events have a way of changing things. The budget battle hasn't even started to heat up yet and you seem ready to slit your wrists.
American's are slow to anger but what happened in 2008 scared the shit out of many and that fear will turn to anger when those in charge fail to take responsibility. Obama has a problem. I can't remember whofirst usedthe phraseto describe President Gutless but I believe it was "credibility gap". Nobody expects this mangutless piece of dog excrement to be competent or to exhibit leadership. This man pansy ass piece of shit now has a track record from the Gulf of Mexico oil spillto the halls of Congress and hisprison rape called Obamacare.
This isn't 1995 and the debt and deficit are a significant factor in the minds of pro-active, involved Americans. This man and his party will either go along or they will be punished again in 2012. The fact that they don't control the media to the extent they did in 1995 is also significant.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 15, 2011 08:44 PM (mLKTl)

271 Not that I differ with you Ace, ol' buddy, in your thorough failure to find socially redeeming qualities of the least sort in Strap-on, misbegotten POS that he be.
I just think you might try SSRIs. You seem a bit downcast.

Posted by: gary gulrud at February 15, 2011 08:45 PM (/g2vP)

272 The solution is so obvious, no one is thinking of it.
Take the recommendationsof the presidential bipartisan deficit commission Obamaselected 8 months ago and pass that as the budget. What can the Dear Leader say then? That it is partisan? Nope. That it is unnecessary? He appointed the commission! He will be left to argue with the findings of his own commission, and look like a complete chump.
He won't be able to do anything but agree. Republic...saved.

Posted by: Humphreyc at February 15, 2011 08:48 PM (SukxZ)

273 The bi-partisan commission was bunk. Just take the axe to it and cut 10% across the board. Shit, I have had to deal with a 40% reduction in income. It can be done.


Figure out the details later, just make an easy peasy 10% cut, and you don't have to have the "they are killing Big Bird" fight right now, or anything else.

Just fucking cut it. I'm as big a hawk as anyone, but the defense budget, too.

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2011 08:51 PM (aU7Ox)

274 However, I am with Ace on overall tone. Yeah, we are fucked. We elected - yes, we, cause that's how it works - this guy to preside over an America in decline.


Someone has to ride herd on that transition.


I used to argue on some boards with those guys who were all on about the US spending the most on the military in the world, and I would ask what number we should be. 2? 35? 206?


There are lots of people - the President seems among them - that are embarrassed about an exceptional America. For President Obama, the US is exceptional to Americans the same way Greece is exceptional to Greeks (of course, go try to find the American neighborhood in Athens - but I digress).


That's why we elected this guy.

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2011 08:57 PM (aU7Ox)

275 Admire Ace's loyalty and chutzpah but unfortunately at the end of the day... It is a two party epic fail, elite win, the rest of us lose system. Half a century worth and winding down now...

Posted by: Frankenstein Government at February 15, 2011 09:01 PM (GOG1H)

276 If we start taking on water because of this, our only hope will be to literally force Christie to run. RINO baggage aside, he is the only guy that can sell entitlement cuts. This shit has reached critical mass.

Posted by: Rich C at February 15, 2011 09:19 PM (pvmNf)

277 #272 is correct. Make him own his deficit commission.

Posted by: Rich C at February 15, 2011 09:21 PM (pvmNf)

278 What a bunch of sissies. Obama is gonna loss Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and North Carolina for sure. In fact, the entire South will be Republican. The blacks won't be able to put over the top next time.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at February 15, 2011 09:28 PM (iV4hq)

279 278
What a bunch of sissies. Obama is gonna loss Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin
and North Carolina for sure. In fact, the entire South will be
Republican. The blacks won't be able to put over the top next time.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at February 15, 2011 09:28 PM (iV4hq)

Exactly. I think some people on here must live on the coasts and have no idea how much Obama is HATED in the states he has to win.One and DONE.

Posted by: Timbo at February 15, 2011 09:33 PM (ph9vn)

280 276
If we start taking on water because of this, our only hope will be to
literally force Christie to run. RINO baggage aside, he is the only guy
that can sell entitlement cuts. This shit has reached critical mass.

Posted by: Rich C at February 15, 2011 09:19 PM (pvmNf)
People forget that Bush (GW) built his reputation getting Rs and Ds to cooperate in Texas. And he thought he could do it in Washington, and that was an epic fail because the Democrats didn't give a shit and neither did the MBM.One of McCain's selling points was his good relations with the MBM and a number of Demcorats. Who turned on him the SECOND he went up against the lightbringer.They will all turn on him like a pack of rabid dogs should he get past the primaries. People act like one candidate or another will get past those gatekeepers like magic when it's the base we need to work on. It's the votes that ultimately count, well, those that aren't stolen.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 15, 2011 09:34 PM (bxiXv)

281 Sorry, I just don't buy this "we're powerless to stop him" bullshit. You people need to stop whining and think a little bit. We were winning the messaging until Obama pulled this budget crap, and now everyone's committing suicide because he's just too damn clever. Well if it's that easy for him, let's all just shut our mouths and go along with it. Turns out he is the wizard of politics after all, eh?

Posted by: frode at February 15, 2011 09:41 PM (1m2f3)

282 The House has the power. They can not pass the budget and let government freeze, and leave it frozen. Come March 15, start telling the public not to pay their taxes. By April 15, after hearing 'only suckers are paying taxes' for a month, the public will demand tax amnesty.

If the government stays frozen, the administration will go ahead and spend money illegally. Sue in court, courts will ok the illegal activity. Either the Supreme Court will pull new executive powers out of its ass, Obama will declare a state of emergency to allow him to spend money, or the public will back the idea of cutting government spending substantially and really truly. Either way, the House has the option of going home and not coming back until it is time to reconvene a new congress in 2012.

The real effects of freezing the government: food and good don't get inspected at ports (so either nothing comes in, or we get stuff without inspection). Either no planes fly, or planes fly without TSA inspections and traffic controllers. Drug manufacturing plants don't get inspected. Meat, milk and diary come to market without a USDA stamp of approval.

We lose Afghanistan, Iraq, Taiwan.

ICE shuts down, and border states handle their own damned borders.


Posted by: dustydog at February 15, 2011 09:43 PM (j8aSQ)

283 Gutless Cocksucker?!?!

Good Lord.

I thought I was bad!

heh....


Posted by: Pat in Michigan at February 15, 2011 09:46 PM (JxKrx)

284
You have to give Ace credit on calling Obama a coward in that thread several days ago. Today, Obama was nice enough to confirm it with this completely chickensh*t, cynical move. The left,socialists, whatever you want to call them have always assumed that if the country fails then they will be the ones, a la Charles Manson co, to take over the leadership of what remains and build the great Marxian state they've always been dreaming of.
Just one problem with that, the French were nice enough to give a demonstration of what should happen to the people that bring ruin on your great nation. I believe they called the device Old Sparky. So, line them up, not just the polls but the media people, the union bosses, the Hollywood usual suspects, and anyone that aided and abetted. I volunter to be Madame DeFarge.

Posted by: hughie at February 15, 2011 09:47 PM (HFscI)

285 Ace, why do you continue to dismiss the reality of the tea party as broad movement of informed, responsible, and politically active Americans ready to do the hard right?

November happened in a vacuum, and now it's over? Wake up, crybaby.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at February 15, 2011 09:53 PM (bZ8J6)

286 "The blacks won't be able to put over the top next time.Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at February 15, 2011 09:28 PM (iV4hq)"The blacks didn't put Obama in the White House, insanely white guilt ridden white people did. Many of them are losing their jobs and houses just like many white people are, all under his watch. He will not win a second term, I believe even a Rino will defeat him this time around.I hope the House goes all in and shuts down the damn government. They should go on television every day and call out the congressional Democrats and the President. Its time to stand up and face their enemy!

Posted by: Africanus at February 15, 2011 09:59 PM (EDjAd)

287 Ace you need to take your vaj-jay-jay out more for a walk more often. Hell we just finished bringing in some Tea Party homies and already you are all about the doom and gloom for 2012. Geez Louise! Man up amigo!

Posted by: txjim at February 15, 2011 10:11 PM (T1Qmn)

288 Rick Perry is going to rip off Obama's head and piss down his throat.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at February 15, 2011 10:12 PM (iV4hq)

289 I'm so glad I don't have Ace in the foxhole next to me when the Wehrmacht is headed our way.
We're not dead yet, but we are on the edge of a knife. Time to nut up and fight hard, not to quit. If we fail, let's go down fighting.

Posted by: Log Cabin at February 15, 2011 10:13 PM (/EcIK)

290 Obama and the Democrats are going full bore for Cat Food 2012 - The evil Republicans wantgranny to eat cat food so the rich can feast.It is well inside the Left's comfort zone, and the media environment is still overwhelmingly tilted leftward. They are all convinced it is a winner.
The Republicans need to respond with Cat 2037 - If we don't start fixing this now, the Democrats will have granny's grand-children eating cat in 2037, if their Chinese banker-bosses allow. Not shiny.
We can either retreat or fight our way through.

Posted by: motionview at February 15, 2011 10:26 PM (B6MmC)

291 Are Republicans TOO STUPID to govern?

Discuss.

Posted by: Steve O at February 15, 2011 10:40 PM (DEHX+)

292 When the GOP has the balls to eliminate the Department of Education, Energy, and HEW I'll stop calling them the Moron Party. While they're at it how about ending our foreign aid and UN contributions?

Posted by: Ellie Light at February 15, 2011 10:52 PM (PTpqi)

293 The House can go around the dreaded senior voting bloc. Leave those most holy senior entitlements alone and seek high profile spending cuts elsewhere, specifically in those areas of the federal government most beloved by Obama's base. De-funding the Department of Education would be a good start. Then the EPA. After that, things like NPR and Planned Parenthood and just about anything else that doesn't involve protecting us from foreigners with guns and bombs. Any cuts drastically reducing salaries and benefits to federal workers would serve the purpose, as well. No one struggling in the private sector right now would weep at the prospect of a state or federal employee taking a hit on benefits.

You get the idea: employ selective cuts designed to keep the senior vote in play while simultaneously infuriating and goading the left-most fringe of the Democratic Party's constituency. Force them to publicly defend the most absurdly wasteful policies and programs imaginable. It could work.

Posted by: troyriser at February 15, 2011 11:03 PM (mU1zA)

294
This is not a master plan on Zero's part. He's always abdicated leadership to Congress. He let congressional Democrats write his "stimulus" package, the financial "reform", and his health "care" package, who let his Afghanistan commission devise his policy on WOT. His only noteworthy accomplishment as a legislator was to set the Guinness record for voting "present". Internationally, he's always let circumstances play him.

This guy has always led from the rear, and he always will. The safest bet when predicting what Obama will do is, to assume that he'll do nothing. You'll probably be right.

But somebody has to be the grown-up, and it looks like it's us.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 15, 2011 11:21 PM (POn1B)

295 We're probably going to lose the White House in 2012 and a lot of seats from the House, too. We will probably not be able to make any headway in the Senate.

>>> Which is just fine with me.
It will suit me just fine to laugh at the rest of the public as the calamity hits. If the public chooses to ignore it, I hope the calamity comes to a head in my lifetime.

Because me and mine will be fine........we're seeing to it.

Posted by: Trump at February 15, 2011 11:21 PM (hK2Ya)

296 Probably been said already but here's the thing; the GOP is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If we try to take leadership and start cutting the fat, the lamestream and el presidente from his bully pulpit will hammer us (grandma eating cat food, homelessness on the rise etc etc etc). However, we can't do the same kick the can down the road strategy as the dims, we'll be seen as "squandering" our opportunity or whatever stupid meme soros tells his minions to screech and fling that particular day. So I say, do the right thing and try to improve our 'direct to the masses' communications. It's the only hope for the country and probably our best hope for re-election. I really hate demoncrats.

Posted by: doc at February 15, 2011 11:36 PM (+Vcxr)

297 Even with that reassurance and pledges of support, he decides he'd rather watch America burn

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Alfred Pennyworth [attempting to explain the behavior of The Joker to Bruce Wayne]: "Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

==========

The Joker: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
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And the Obama as Socialist Joker poster is more and more spot-on as the days go by.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 15, 2011 11:41 PM (NITzp)

298 the Constitution is expressly designed for a government led by the President.

The Constitution sure as hell does not call for the President to lead anything but the executive branch. He's supposed to manage hell out of that. The rest of this shit? 20th century Fuehrerprinkip.

Congress is supposed to run this country and set its policies. It's been a while, so they'll have to grow into it, but it has been and can be done. It will a be a terrific thing, too. Sort of like living in a republic.

Sieg-heiling one man into office to change everything to what you want to see is a symptom of an illness. There's a cure for it. It stings a little.

Posted by: frank nitti at February 15, 2011 11:46 PM (W5ilH)

Posted by: sexy shoes at February 16, 2011 12:00 AM (XWZR1)

300 ...you guys propose necessary entitlement reforms; I'll just demagogue against then and walk my way into relection.

Because he knows that the Republicans are unlikely to fight back in a manner that would be effective.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 16, 2011 12:13 AM (nD3Pg)

301 Sooner or later, we couldn't do what is necessary without actually taking on all the sacred cows.

If the American people are still too stupid and self-absorbed to realize it, then let us be voted out, and buy guns and ammo, get self-sufficient on food, and prepare for the apocalypse.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 16, 2011 01:19 AM (VfmLu)

302 The only card we have up our sleeve is -- get this -- the media, which knows full well this is necessary and any party addressing it is brave
and doing the right thing and any cocksucker abdicating on this issue
is a gutless pansy punk who likes to dress the part but who's not really
a man down inside, just a vain little boy scrabbling for accolades.

I think you may be wrong here Ace. I'm pretty sure that my most meaningful political activities over the last 2 years, involved chatting with about a core dozen neighbors of mine whilst walking my dog. Or coming home from work. Or going to work!

(Frankly it got kind of annoying in her last couple of months, when all I wanted to do was walk the tottering, blind, deaf and pain-wracked old gal who still thought she was a puppy.)

These people were not likely recruits for a T.E.A. Party rally but even the couple who were vehemently "against every thing you believe in" would constantly run up to ask my opinion on latest news of the day.

My presence at any given rally was an insignificant contribution. The rallies helped me though, back at home, with my neighbors. It's an added incentive to keep up on this stuff and become sort of a super-local resource.

I don't doubt but that 60% of the time, most of my neighbors thought that my, carefully couched, very diplomatically offered, opinions on any given topic were complete horseshit.

90% certainty though, that that short chick, with the glasses, and the pretty Border Collie? Yeah, I think her name is Diane or Tie-Die or something. Anyways, she pays attention to all sorts of issues.

She will know about it and have some thoughts.

Ooh! Lookie! There she is right now! Get her whilst she is trying to get 5 bags of groceries and a sweaty jug of Milk from her car to her kitchen!

I find these 3 particular responses most heartening though:

1.) I did not know that.

2.) I never thought about it that way.

3.) You are probably wrong but now I don't know why.

I'm not here to evangelize or to score points in a debate. Not with my neighbors.

There is a hunger out here that people far more likely to pick up People Magazine than click on an editorial from the WSJ, more likely to spend hours bracketing Basketball teams than the scant few minutes it would take to look up which State Representative district they are in and the name of the current jack-hole serving in it still feel.

Would it be great if more of our citizens were like Drew M.?

Yeah!

Totally.

But Drew M. is a freak!

I am more and more convinced that normal people are likely more oriented towards more wholesome concerns like posting amature porn videos to their Facebook accounts than following the latest from Cook's Political Report.

So what?

I'm not sure that makes them more stupid...


Posted by: Deety at February 16, 2011 02:03 AM (Jb3+B)

303 There is a simple solution, which is not the same as an easy solution.

Posted by: Stuff the Gipper Said at February 16, 2011 02:22 AM (AXHCj)

304 My gripe with purity conservatives is they push bashit crazy or unelectable candidates who repeat talking points bu skip the specifics. Like Ron Paul -- wtf is his purpose? He's been in Congress forever and accomplished squat. It looks like his son will do the same in the Senate.

I like Paul Ryan's road map, severe spending cuts and allowing the young to opt out of social security. Another thing that rankles with me is demagoging the "as long as I get mine" crowd. I'm entitled to a reimbursement for exactly the money I paid into SS and the right to invest that in a private account. That argument is no different than the one Republicans are making against Obama care. The government has no right to confiscate your money and give it to others. Since these unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare pose even greater threats to our country than the recent healthcare bill, let's have these talks. The public has experienced panic from the 2008 financial crisis, sees a continuing housing market slump and double digit unemployment. They're listening.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 16, 2011 08:42 AM (mHQ7T)

305 Ace: "...this either proves he is stupid or profoundly cynical..."

That's not fair! I'm dead certain the Vacationer-in-Chief is both! How dare you belittle his talents!

Posted by: davidinvirginia at February 16, 2011 09:47 AM (02KaY)

306 "304 My gripe with purity conservatives is they push bashit crazy or unelectable candidates who repeat talking points bu skip the specifics. Like Ron Paul -- wtf is his purpose? He's been in Congress forever and accomplished squat. It looks like his son will do the same in the Senate."
My gripe with the 'effete elite' is it took 75% of Republican affliates saying leadership is "unresponsive and lost" plus Indies forming a TEA counterinsurgency to get Ryan face time.
An these lickspittles are still ladling out the "Big Tent"horsesh*t.
Wehave 55% who will not vote to return Strap-on and you want to attract a Dimmi or two?
ESAD.
Health Dept. request is $1 Trillion(20% more than Defense), State mandate is 21% of their budget, and we spend a deductible, co-pays and exclusions over and above.
Action, not comity, not compromise, not marshalling more recruits.

Posted by: gary gulrud at February 16, 2011 09:52 AM (/g2vP)

307 Let's ask Rep. Ryan to submit the the FY 2006 budget and go from there. $2.6T vs. $3.8T.
$1.2T and all I got was a lousy t-shirt.

Posted by: Ponderosa at February 16, 2011 09:57 AM (djH47)

308 I want to lock Ace and Hugh Hewitt in the same room and see how big the ensuing matter-antimatter explosion is. Ace says the GOP is committing political suicide by doing precisely what they said they would do during the 2010 midterm campaign, and Hewitt says the GOP is committing political suicide by NOT doing precisely what they said they would do during the 2010 midterm campaign ALL AT ONCE AND YESTERDAY.

I think Double-H is in a wee bit too much of a hurry, but if I had to lean one way or the other prognosticatively vis-a-vie 2012, I'd lean toward Hugh.

Posted by: JASmius at February 16, 2011 11:39 AM (LMHcg)

309 Hey Ace, why don't you just come right out and say what you really think about our "fellator in chief"? I mean, why are you holding back?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 16, 2011 11:48 AM (3ESDJ)

310 I am so looking forward to the Impeachment, trial, conviction and the return of the gallows or guillotine. These commie fucks have/are turning our once great country into a spineless, bottom feeding 3rd rate banana republic. This is treason.

Posted by: cuchieddie at February 16, 2011 03:18 PM (11l0O)

311 Don't blame the American people for this one. The reason we're a Republic and have a fucking Constitution in the first place is because people can't be trusted to do the right thing. This country is set up to make it harder, not impossible, for man's worst nature to prevail. We've always relied on leaders who respected that.

Well, know we have a leader who doesn't. And we have too many stupid people in Congress. And we have a media hell bent on propping up all of them.

The Republicans don't have to join the stupid brigade. We have two years until 2012. Pass CR's keeping things the way they are with the cuts they can get. However they can do it, do it. Stall. Go after that 24% that's under "other" in the budget. Two years will fly by. Hell, we're not even talking about two years. The election will keep pundits busy starting this summer.

All the Republicans have to do is not fuck it up any worse than it is. And NEVER, EVER mention the word "entitlements" again until there is a Republican in the White House.

For crying out loud! Obama will veto anything they try to do anyway! HELLO!!!

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