Today's 2 Minutes Of Liberal Hate: Haley Barbour Loves Racists Or Something

The Weekly Standard has a lengthy and positive profile of Mississippi Governor and possible GOP presidential candidate Haley Barbour. It seems some on the left, led by Matt Yglesias and followed by the usual suspects at TPM, The Atlantic and Politico, Time and MSNBC, are outrageously outraged by this passage dealing with Barbour's recollection of his hometown's integration efforts.

Both Mr. Mott and Mr. Kelly had told me that Yazoo City was perhaps the only municipality in Mississippi that managed to integrate the schools without violence. I asked Haley Barbour why he thought that was so.

“Because the business community wouldn’t stand for it,” he said. “You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK. Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”

In interviews Barbour doesn’t have much to say about growing up in the midst of the civil rights revolution. “I just don’t remember it as being that bad,” he said. “I remember Martin Luther King came to town, in ’62. He spoke out at the old fairground and it was full of people, black and white.”

Yglesias points out that in 1955 (when Barbour was this committee was staunchly opposed to school integration and the Yazoo Chapter was always fully on board with the most despicable racism imaginable.

There are a couple of things to chew on here.

First, both Barbour and Yglesias can be right. Based on the profile it's clear that many people in Barbour's home town (including his brother Jeppie, the then Mayor) held beliefs that simply were reprehensible about blacks but none the less managed to take a relatively benign course of action in integrating the community.

Willie Morris was in Yazoo City for deadline day too, like Haley a son of the segregated South, though unlike Haley a racial liberal. “By the middle of the day,” Morris wrote in Yazoo: Integration in a Deep Southern Town, “it was quite apparent that Yazoo City had indeed integrated its schools calmly and deliberately.” The national reporters presented the city to the world as a model of how integration at its best could work. The new school system was roughly 55 percent black, and as the deadline passed few whites withdrew for the handful of private schools that had hurriedly opened not long before.

Jeppie Barbour is one of the protagonists of Morris’s book. He is portrayed as a racial moderate, despite his boasts about the Mace canisters that local police had taken to wearing on their belts. “You get a drunk,” Morris quotes Jeppie saying, “you either get him to come with you or you have to manhandle him. You give him Mace and he’ll want to go anywhere with you. It keeps that nigger’s head in good shape.”

Jeppie saw the policy of the city’s white leaders not as capitulation to the federal government but as resignation to the inevitable. “We’re gonna make the most of this,” he told Morris. “It won’t be any fun. We don’t have many newcomers, and it’s hard to leave here no matter what happens. We’re not gonna have any mass exodus, black or white. We don’t have much other choice.”

Both Mr. Mott and Mr. Kelly had told me that Yazoo City was perhaps the only municipality in Mississippi that managed to integrate the schools without violence. I asked Haley Barbour why he thought that was so.

Were members of the Yazoo Citizens Council less than the shining examples Barbour holds them up as? Based on the examples Yglesias digs up, yeah. That's not exactly a surprise given the time we're talking about.

Does Barbour's romanticized version of events fail to convey the whole picture and give some people more credit than they deserve? I'd say so. But that's not exactly news either. The profile makes it clear these are people Barbour grew up around and admired. The fact that he cuts them slack the rest of us wouldn't does not exactly shock me. It's a pretty human reaction. Does this mean Barbour is a racist? Of course not. Does it mean Barbour supported segregation then or supports it now? Of course not.

So what does it prove? Nothing much as far as I can see. What it does is confirm something we already know...Democrats get a pass for their past and Republicans get nailed for the slightest variation from liberal dogma.

Obama skated by on Bill Ayers by saying he was a child when Ayers was bombing buildings and killing people. Of course Ayers past wasn't the issue, it was his unapologetic defense of it and the wisdom of a presidential candidate associating himself with such a man in the present.

Barbour was 8 years old when the 1955 campaign to intimidate supporters of school integration Yglesias cites was conducted. What's the relevance of that to Barbour or his memories of integration efforts in the 60's?

If Barbour were associating with men who still believed in segregation or defended their role in opposing it back in the day (as Ayers does about his terrorist past and continued belief in violence as a political tool), I'd be the first to say he has a disqualifying problem. But that's not the charge, is it?

Oh and if supporting segregation is disqualifying (and again no one is claiming Barbour did any such thing, then or now), then I'd like liberals to explain their on going love affair with Jimmy Carter.

As Laughlin McDonald, director of the ACLU’s Voting Project, relates in his book A Voting Rights Odyssey: Black Enfranchisement in Georgia, Carter’s board tried to stop the construction of a new “Elementary Negro School” in 1956. Local white citizens had complained that the school would be “too close” to a white school. As a result, “the children, both colored and white, would have to travel the same streets and roads in order to reach their respective schools.” The prospect of black and white children commingling on the streets on their way to school was apparently so horrible to Carter that he requested that the state school board stop construction of the black school until a new site could be found. The state board turned down Carter’s request because of “the staggering cost.” Carter and the rest of the Sumter County School Board then reassured parents at a meeting on October 5, 1956, that the board “would do everything in its power to minimize simultaneous traffic between white and colored students in route to and from school.”

It's clear that this country still hasn't fully dealt with the implications of the Civil Rights era or how to deal with the sides people took or didn't take at the time. That's only going to fully come about when the generations that lived through that era have all passed.

I get that it's a complicated and emotional issue but I think we need some balance in how we deal with it. To simply and forever give Democrats who actively took part in it a pass, while smearing Republicans who only had tangential involvement (like a high school aged Haley Barbour) is simply unacceptable.

Now, all of that said...this is simply bad politics for Barbour. A lot of folks whose only notions of the south come from watching or reading To Kill a Mockingbird or popular history simply equate "southern" with "racism".

The insinuation that Barbour is an apologist for racists (or worse) is a powerful one. People want to hear their own worldview reflected back at them by politicians. That's why Obama is forced to pretend his incredibly strange childhood and background fits perfectly within the traditional American narrative. Barbour's recollection of the south in the 60s will no doubt resonate with a lot of people who live there and know people they like and respect who did the best they could in difficult times. But for a lot of others it will sound like (pardon the phrase) whitewashing history. Personally, it strikes me as somewhere in between.

As a matter of pure politics, if Barbour does run for President (and you can tell the left is at least a little worried about that judged on the hits he's taking today), he's going to need to have a better spin on his take about this period in history. Because, as we see, it's going to be brought up over and over again if he is nominated. Voters outside the south (think Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, even Florida) are going to want a better narrative than, "there were some good people who stood up for integration regardless of their feelings about blacks".

I'm not saying that's fair, I'm just saying that's the reality.

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:24 PM



Comments

1 Come on, listen to that accent, of COURSE he is racist.

I hear Barbour is considering a run for the Presidency - so they have to start laying the racist groundwork now.

Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2010 03:28 PM (MrMxG)

2 He should've started his own chapter of the Klan like a good Democrat.

Posted by: BJ Clinton at December 20, 2010 03:28 PM (5Rurq)

3 I haven't checked, but I would assume that the despicable racists mentioned were Democrats.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 20, 2010 03:29 PM (S5YRY)

4 A Barbour v. Bambi match-up in 2012. Good God, that gives me my very own tingle up my leg.
Can you imagine the hyperventilation over at MSNBC?
Not enough medication in the world...

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:30 PM (pLTLS)

5 dickcheese good point - you can guarantee that any elected officials in Mississippi in the 50s or 60s were Democrats.

Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2010 03:30 PM (MrMxG)

6 At least the son of a bitch didn't use the word - excuse the expression - Christmas.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 20, 2010 03:30 PM (xxgag)

7 Brown vs. The Board of Education -- wasn't the Board of Education the ones arguing for separate but equal? Yet no one (outside the moronosphere) seems to be crapping on the public school system.

Pity the Race Card is so worn out that you can neither see it nor hear it when it's gets slapped onto the table one more time.

So I suppose we have to go back to the left calling us stupid as that's worked so well in the past. That the whining ninnies at TPM, The Atlantic and Politico, Time and MSNBC are upset bothers me less than you can imagine. ESAD MFM, the sooner the better.

Posted by: cali grump at December 20, 2010 03:30 PM (hL0k8)

8 If only Robert Byrd were here to serve as a moral compass in these troubled times.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 20, 2010 03:30 PM (AzcBR)

9 At least the son of a bitch
In the south, don't they say sum'bitch?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:31 PM (pLTLS)

10 It's really funny about what they choose to bring up about the past, but refuse to learn anything from the past.

Fuck you, libs....you really suck and make life must worse for everyone.

Posted by: Sponge © at December 20, 2010 03:31 PM (UK9cE)

11 Those determined to find offense, rarely fail.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 20, 2010 03:33 PM (S5YRY)

12 I find it almost humorous that the MFM persists in pushing the race card. Now admittedly, these comments easily lay the groundwork for media and Democrat talking heads alike to paint him as a racist, but the American people are wholeheartedly sick of that particular dead horse at this point. Quit flogging it in my front yard, thank you. If you really are a racist, then fuck off. If you're not, then get on with your job.

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 03:33 PM (4df7R)

13 If only Robert Byrd were here to serve as a moral compass in these troubled times.
Hey, don't forget about me! I prefer the white meat at my Winter Solstice Holiday party IYKWIM!

Posted by: Al Gore, Sr. at December 20, 2010 03:33 PM (pLTLS)

14 I think Barbour should adopt a black baby from Africa or Haiti, speak out in support for Affirmative Action, and grovel and apologize 24/7 for being born in the South.

Then maybe the Left will only call him a racist three times a day, instead of ten.


Posted by: RJ at December 20, 2010 03:33 PM (qDPnZ)

15 But seriously, does anyone remember their home town being "that bad" when they were 8?

Especially if your town is a rural community or suburb, I really doubt you see your own town- even if it has flaws- as "that bad" when you're 8. If nothing else, all the adults will be constantly congratulating themselves on how your sleepy little town doesn't have all the "problems" of the nearest "big city."

This is true even when the nearest "big city" is Abilene, TX.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 03:34 PM (8y9MW)

16 There is something about Haley I really like he just seems sincere to me. If anyone says anything about his southern accent fuck them. After what we have in office right now how could anyone say anything about an accent. Of course, the mfm will say it is going to be about a good ole boy from the south against a black man if he gets the nomination.

Posted by: gesc at December 20, 2010 03:35 PM (eNPqA)

17 Fuck you, libs....you really suck and make life must much worse for everyone.

PIMF!!!!

Posted by: Sponge © at December 20, 2010 03:35 PM (UK9cE)

18 This member of the Reichwing is too fat. Skip a meal, fat boy!

Posted by: Christine Matthews, Spittler Extraordinaire at December 20, 2010 03:35 PM (pLTLS)

19 It was all those outside agitators causing trouble, our folk are good folk.

Posted by: things I heard a million times back then at December 20, 2010 03:36 PM (S5YRY)

20 I don't think this will affect his chances all that much. People are tired of the constant racial examinations. To my mind, all Barbour has to do when some MFM scrunt tries to insinuate that he's a racist is pull out a picture of Grand Wizard Byrd, point to it, and ask the reporter what he/she thinks of him. End of conversation.

Posted by: joncelli© at December 20, 2010 03:37 PM (RD7QR)

21 Someone cried "racism"? ::yawn::

Posted by: shillelagh at December 20, 2010 03:38 PM (Oz4Bj)

22 Nazi's had their Brownshirts....Democrats had the Klan.
Before the Klan, they had slaves. Today those same DemocRATS are enslaving us to debt that generations can't retire. They are an existential threat.

Posted by: torabora at December 20, 2010 03:38 PM (c9iUg)

23 >>>>>In the south, don't they say sum'bitch?<<<<<<<,

Depends on how pissed off you are. Sum'bitch is just joking. Son of a bitch is serious.

Posted by: USS Enterprise CV-6 at December 20, 2010 03:40 PM (mQ9wI)

24 The Right should apologize for its stance on “school integration.”

As soon as the Left apologizes for its stance on forced busing.

They are not interchangeable concepts. The former means communities couldn’t bar black children from attending certain schools. The latter means districts would forcibly transport black and white children into neighborhoods in which their families did not, or would not, live.

It was a horrible – and, on the part of liberal whites, cowardly -- social experiment for anyone who lived through it.

Posted by: CJ at December 20, 2010 03:40 PM (9KqcB)

25 Now, all of that said...this is simply bad politics for Barbour. A lot
of folks whose only notions of the south come from watching or reading
To Kill a Mockingbird or popular history simply equate "southern" with
"racism".
Gee, I didn't get a bad hit off of Haley Barbour's remarks at all and I'm pretty sensitized to this stuff based on where and how I grew up. I wonder if you are a bit of a victim of living in NYC. In my experience, racial politics are much more screwed up in the northern cities than in the middle atlantic or southern ones.

Some people look to be outraged. They make a profession of it. Had those folks not commented on Barbour's remarks, I doubt any one would have found fault with them. I really don't see that he needs to go all apologetic for his personal impressions of what life was like in his town growing up. And, based on the reaction to the Juan Williams thing, I suspect most regular people won't be fooled by charges that he's some sort of latent (or blatant) segregationist.

Let's see how this plays out before criticizing Barbour for his remarks.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 03:40 PM (IDL9N)

26 "I think Barbour should adopt a black baby from Africa"

and name him Sambo.

Posted by: cali grump at December 20, 2010 03:40 PM (hL0k8)

27 Obviously Governor Barbour is a white n!gger. I'm going to use that word.

Posted by: Zombie Senator Robert Byrd (D., WV) at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (ao9DD)

28 @19 - And that was actually somewhat true.

Doesn't make the institutionalized racism of the South in the 1950's 1960's any better, but much of the big ruckus was caused by "outsiders" entering a town and throwing a fit.

Worse, since they did it in some places, a number of "pre-reactionary" elements started making things worse where they were- which either caused local trouble all on its own, or brought in these self-same "agitators."

Nothing excuses what happened in the South, then, but it might not have been quite such a big deal if people had been more okay with slow, steady progress. Instead, it all had to be done "right now!" and it made enemies of people who might otherwise have been allies of the movement.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (8y9MW)

29 5 dickcheese good point

There's something so wonderfully Moronic about someone with a username like "dickcheese" making astute political observations. It makes me so proud. *wipes away a tear*

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (4df7R)

30 To my mind, all Barbour has to do when some MFM scrunt tries to insinuate that he's a racist is pull out a picture of Grand Wizard Byrd, point to it, and ask the reporter what he/she thinks of him.
Or...
He can either pull out the voting record on the Civil Rights Act, the last major piece of legislation where racial issues are concerned. Or he could pull out all the more recentquotes from their party leaders --
Clinton, Bill: "A few years ago this guy would have been getting our coffee"
Reid, Harry: He has no "negro dialect"
Hell let's make it fun:
Jackson, Jesse: "cut his nuts off!" and ...[he's] "acting like he's white"
It's really a fun game.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (pLTLS)

31 Hey how has that intergration thing worked out up here in the North?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (0GFWk)

32 There most important lesson to be learned from this story is that being named "Jeppie" is not an impediment to holding an elective office.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at December 20, 2010 03:43 PM (+lsX1)

33 Will the GOP really run a guy with a thick southern accent and a stereotypical "old southern white guy" appearance against Obama?

That's what Barbour's going to be up against, whether it has any factual basis or not.

This story shows they're already preparing the narrative.

Posted by: tsj017 at December 20, 2010 03:43 PM (4YUWF)

34 Who was it that referred to B+rry ...“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” ?
...the first...Yeah, right. And I betcha some of his friends are black too.

Posted by: torabora at December 20, 2010 03:44 PM (c9iUg)

35 So it begins...

Posted by: RarestRX at December 20, 2010 03:44 PM (/eIgc)

36 right! how in the world could I have forgotten Joey Biden's comments...?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:45 PM (pLTLS)

37 Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (pLTLS)
Please. Oh, please, let them do this. I don't care WHO they run against Bammyhammy, I want them to bring out every last one of those quotes the SECOND the MFM or the DNC brings out the race card. Heck, let's throw in some of Obama's own blunders! Like calling blacks a "mongrel" race when he was on The View.

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 03:46 PM (4df7R)

38 @8

I snorted coffee through my nose at that.

Posted by: Penfold at December 20, 2010 03:47 PM (1PeEC)

39 Wait, I thought the left were the ones that were supposed to be the great uniters?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 20, 2010 03:47 PM (eCAn3)

40 Depends on how pissed off you are. Sum'bitch is just joking. Son of a bitch is serious.
Posted by: USS Enterprise CV-6 at December 20, 2010 03:40 PM (mQ9wI)
That's true for Ohio, too.

Posted by: ErikW at December 20, 2010 03:48 PM (g2bPR)

41 Posted by: MWR
They do get a bit confused when forced to abide by their own sanctimonious set of rules, don't they?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:48 PM (pLTLS)

42 Ugh. I just realized this was a DrewM post. Cancel that NYC remark. I thought it was an ace post -- it sounded like ace.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 03:49 PM (IDL9N)

43 Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 20, 2010 03:47 PM (eCAn3)

They thought so, too. That's why they're so big about destroying anyone else who might unite people.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 03:50 PM (8y9MW)

44 @42
It sounded like ace in that he usually seems to reference classic (older) cultural icons (like To Kill a Mockingbird) that I think the "smart" NYC types might relate to a heck of a lot more than the rest of us do.

Posted by: Y-not hates this auto submit problem on firefox at December 20, 2010 03:50 PM (IDL9N)

45 So if I say "I don't remember it raining on Tuesday," and someone says "But it rained all day on Sunday," have I somehow been shown to be a liar?

Posted by: Sockpuppet Czar at December 20, 2010 03:51 PM (gb+AN)

46 Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 03:49 PM (IDL9N)

Heh.

I never know whether I should be honored when people confuse me with Ace or he should be really insulted. I guess it could be both.

BTW- You can rescind your cancellation, I grew up in NYC.

BTW, regarding you're earlier comment...I wasn't attacking Barbour. I was trying to defend him. It's simply a fact the Democrats and MFM (BIRM) will use this line of attack.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 03:52 PM (HicGG)

47 Folks, we are playing the game they want us to play. We are getting defensive, making excuses, trying to justify his comments, etc.

Just say this: "Haley Barbour is not a racist. Obama's pastor of 20 years is."

And then repeat it. Over and over again.

Posted by: RJ at December 20, 2010 03:54 PM (qDPnZ)

48 And it begins.....
Not linking bc it will take you to Politico but they're all warm and gooey over the new branding of Bambi. It's all 'Obama 2.0' in the wake of his 'victories'. The new meme is that he's working to become the "CEO of America". That's funny. Most successful CEO's are fundamentally opposed to their company, but whatevs.
The first thing on the list -- EO's that advance his agenda all the while bypassing Congress.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:55 PM (pLTLS)

49 He has no chance. He fits the visual and aural stereotype of every southern white politician (seeCharles Durning's character in The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas). It wouldn't matter if he had the charm, savvy, and charisma of Reagan becausehe looks and sounds like Boss Hogg and that's not going to get enough votes in the rest of the country.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 20, 2010 03:55 PM (JxMoP)

50 I have lived in both the north and the south and I find that without exception that there is much more racial polarization. I wonder if that has anything to do with liberal Demonrat politics and beliefs.

Posted by: Taint Painter at December 20, 2010 03:55 PM (E7i+5)

51 *aren't

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:55 PM (pLTLS)

52 Just say this: "Haley Barbour is not a racist. Obama's pastor of 20 years is."Then add, FYNQ

Posted by: Warden at December 20, 2010 03:56 PM (HzhBE)

53 Via Ben Smith on Twitter...
"DNC Spox on Barbour RT @HariDNC:...He’s not ready for prime time or not ready for the 21st century - either way it’s disqualifying"

If you're on Twitter, you might want to drop her a note and let her know what you think about Democrats and segregation.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 03:56 PM (HicGG)

54 I know first hand that the negroes down there were clean and articulate and not a thing like all those dot-head Indians running all the 7-11's.
Clearly Barbour is a racist.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 20, 2010 03:58 PM (HzhBE)

55 BTW, regarding you're earlier comment...I wasn't attacking Barbour. I
was trying to defend him. It's simply a fact the Democrats and MFM
(BIRM) will use this line of attack

Yeah, I appreciate that you weren't attacking him... but I think you were kind of critiquing him, if you know what I mean, by saying he needs a better sound bite. Maybe you're right that this will be a big issue for him, but to me it seems like much ado about nothing. I think that people who are truly undecided (as opposed to the liberals who already hate any Republican) are going to see it for what it is, recollections from his time growing up. Maybe I'm wrong, but people seem to have a bit more common sense these days about stuff like that (or like what Juan Williams said).

Barbour has the same optics "problems" as Chris Christie. But if he (or any nominee) has the chops to be a strong candidate, they can overcome it. Choice of running mate may help.

Posted by: Y-not hates this auto submit problem on firefox at December 20, 2010 03:58 PM (IDL9N)

56 Obama 2.0, wasn't there a television called "Chuck 2.0" or something?

We don't need a CEO, we need a President. They are not the same. Even lawyers know that.

Posted by: Penfold at December 20, 2010 03:58 PM (1PeEC)

57 pssst... Drew....Hari is a dude.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 03:59 PM (pLTLS)

58 Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 03:56 PM (HicGG)

Actually, I think it just shows that they're finally starting to vet some of the Candidates for 2012. Anyone who the left despises should immediately get on the Varsity team, and anyone else can play JV.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 03:59 PM (8y9MW)

59 Maybe I should be a hack writer likeYglesias, seems easy enough. Let me try....

A case can be made that Yglesias is the worst form of a racist, the kind that only pretends to help African-Americans so he massage his own self-aggrandizing ego. Someone who happily writes about so-called racist slights, but looks down on blacks in America as an inferior that needs to be helped, by the government, of course, not by any actual physical or monetary effort on his part. He wouldn't dream of lowering his elitism.

How did I do?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 20, 2010 04:00 PM (xQAv5)

60 Even lawyers know that.
*nods in agreement*
Yes, when we're done wiping the drool off our chins and done celebrating that we nailed the bunny method of shoe-tying, this we get!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:00 PM (pLTLS)

61 Fuck Jimmy Carter. He is a dishonest dickhead. He ran as a racist for governor. He lost the first time he ran, when he ran again he said "I won't be out "n word" ed this time.

My mom lived in GA then. HE IS WORLD CLASS ASSHOLE!!!

http://tinyurl.com/272y7nt

Posted by: Kemp at December 20, 2010 04:01 PM (JpFM9)

62 50 years ago Democrats hated blacks.
Today they just hate retard babies like Trig. They're so comfortable with this hatred that their president even jokes about the Special Olympics.
See? They've grown. It's called progressiveness, wignuts.

Posted by: Warden at December 20, 2010 04:02 PM (HzhBE)

63 You have mastered the elusive bunny method of shoe-tying!! Damn it, that must be a skill they teach you as a partner. I still have velcro straps on my shoes. They make a cool sound when I open them. Rriipp!! Isn't that cool!!

Posted by: Penfold at December 20, 2010 04:03 PM (1PeEC)

64 I think that people who are truly undecided (as opposed to the liberals
who already hate any Republican) are going to see it for what it is,
recollections from his time growing up.
Posted by: Y-not hates this auto submit problem on firefox at December 20, 2010 03:58 PM (IDL9N)


I think a lot of people don't much attention to this stuff until late in the process. How issues and personalities get defined early on is very important (ask Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin). Once something gets set in the media/Democratic frame, it can be very hard to get it changed. Whether we like it or not, that's often the default cultural reference point for a lot of people.

Don't forget, Barbour (any Republican) will be fine in states where this is a non-issue. It's those toss ups that matter and this is the kind of thing that can hurt in those places.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 04:04 PM (HicGG)

65 Dum-dee-dum-dum.

Anything happen this weekend?

Nope, not according to AoSHQ. What do you have in mind?

Well, the sodomites took over the U.S. military.

Is that all?

That development, which some view as a loss of national honor, will someday be seen as epochal. A capitulation to a small group of mentally ill persons by a once proud country. It will likely be used to attack DOMA and traditional marriage. It will also be used to restrict the First Amendment rights of chaplains and other servicemembers. Eventually, the churches will lose their tax-exempt status. The social safety net erected by those thousands of voluntary religious associations will collapse. The state will step in and today's welfare state will look like Herbert Spencer's wet dream by comparison.

Get over it.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 20, 2010 04:06 PM (mAm+G)

66 correction, add lets me get ahead of myself sometimes.
"there is much more racial polarization in the north."

Posted by: Taint Painter at December 20, 2010 04:06 PM (E7i+5)

67 While Barbour was a small kid, Jimmy Carter was actively involved in trying to prevent a black school from being built in a location that would cause them to cross paths with white kids on their way to their school. It's rather ironic that they'll attack Barbour for recollections of his childhood while anointing a bucktoothed racist moron and incompetent president for some kind of sainthood.

Posted by: Abe Froman at December 20, 2010 04:06 PM (uZJOg)

68 Well, shit. Any white man (or woman) who runs against Obama will be called a racist by the MFM and the Dems. So we obviously need to nominate a black man to take him on, in order to prevent this line of attack.

MICHAEL STEELE FOR PRESIDENT!!!1!1!

Posted by: RJ at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (qDPnZ)

69 It's those toss ups that matter and this is the kind of thing that can hurt in those places.
Are you listening, Ohio? DON'T SCREW IT UP.

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (4df7R)

70 It's a crying shame that anyone from West Texas to Virginia is disqualified for the GOP nomination solely because they possess an accent . Has the Republican part become dominated by the hur, hur , hur ,Voinavich wing ?

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (YCW1b)

71 MICHAEL STEELE ALLEN WEST FOR PRESIDENT!!!1!1!
Posted by: RJ at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (qDPnZ)
FIFY

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 04:09 PM (4df7R)

72 I will never tire of reminding people that the last riots that occurred over integration happened in Boston--not the South.

Posted by: Jimmuy at December 20, 2010 04:09 PM (BOkC/)

73 republican party , dammit .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:10 PM (YCW1b)

74 Once something gets set in the media/Democratic frame, it can be very hard to get it changed.

Yeah, but in that case then basically the only "Southerners" we can run are Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley. Maybe Allen West and Marco Rubio if we count Florida as part of the south (I kinda don't -- it's sort of like Texas, it's own category). Any white guy with a southern accent is doomed already, aren't they? I mean, if people are using To Kill a Mockingbird as their frame of reference for understanding "the South," then the accent will trigger the bias/reflex, it seems to me.

Maybe the fact that our country is increasingly mobile will benefit us as more and more of us have lived in various regions of the country.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:10 PM (IDL9N)

75 I wondered what that bicycle riding gas bag was being all self righteous about.

Posted by: kansas at December 20, 2010 04:10 PM (mka2b)

76 On the Carter thing it is actually a lot worse than the school board thing. When he first ran for governor of GA he ran the old 50s style of what I used to call the <n-word> campaign. In those days the only way a Democrat poll could win was by out <n-wording> his opponent.

I don't blame the polls of the 50s for that. That is what the average voter wanted. However in 1966 it was getting a little worn even if Lester Maddox did win the election.

The thing that really pisses me off about the liberals always screaming about racism in the South is that to them, that is the ONLY place where it ever occurred.

Perhaps they should listen to the lyrics of Rednecks by Randy Newman:

Down here we're too ignorant to realizeThat the North has set the <n-word> freeYes he's free to be put in a cageIn Harlem in New York CityAnd he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of ChicagoAnd the West-SideAnd he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in ClevelandAnd he's free to be put in a cage in East St. LouisAnd he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San FranciscoAnd he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:10 PM (e4sSD)

77 I see Kemp remembers that 1966 election as well.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:11 PM (e4sSD)

78 Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 20, 2010 04:06 PM

I don't know who you are, but you sure as heck are a one-trick pony.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:12 PM (IDL9N)

79 50 years ago Democrats hated blacks.
What makes you think anything has changed?? In fact it's worse now than ever. We've seen firsthand the destruction the 'Great' Society has caused in creating the inner city blight we see today. Yet they push for more. Push to keep the poorest of the poor in their chains of poverty.
Only evil people would think that cutting someone a $400 rebate check in the name of 'stimulus' would lift them out of poverty.
Dems (which lets face it....they no longer exist....hijacked >>> progressives >>> some assembly req'd) only keep them hanging on for their vote. Nothing more. Nothing less. They are a means to an end.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:12 PM (pLTLS)

80 It's a crying shame that anyone from West Texas to Virginia is disqualified for the GOP nomination solely because they possess an accent
Bigotry is bad.
Except against inbreeding rednecks like all you wingnuts.

Posted by: Warden at December 20, 2010 04:12 PM (HzhBE)

81 Damn vic I loved that album and loved Randy Newman for making it .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:12 PM (YCW1b)

82 Well, the sodomites took over the U.S. military.

So you're joining in, then?

(Seriously, you're an idiot. Almost 100% guaranteed you're a moby. GFY, ESAD, and DIAF.)

As for Barbour -- meh. Compared to Obama, he's a paragon of MLK, Jr's Dream. Obama spent TWENTY YEARS listening to a guy no different than any Klan Kleagle in the country. The colors were reversed, though, and the left lurvs them some hate-whitey action.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 20, 2010 04:13 PM (ZJ/un)

83
I will never tire of reminding people that the last riots that occurred over integration happened in Boston--not the South.

Every race riot since at least 1970 has been black-vs.-non-black.


Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 20, 2010 04:14 PM (ZJ/un)

84 What makes you think anything has changed??
I don't, really.

Posted by: Warden at December 20, 2010 04:14 PM (HzhBE)

85 Maybe the fact that our country is increasingly mobile will benefit us
as more and more of us have lived in various regions of the country.
Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:10 PM (IDL9N)


Yeah, I think so too.

As for Barbour, I don't think this means he can't/shouldn't run (as I said in the post), just that it's going to be an issue and having a better narrative for it will be important.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 04:14 PM (HicGG)

86 Which is to say, started by blacks, to target non-blacks.

Meh. Hate posting and then realizing I wasn't clear enough.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 20, 2010 04:15 PM (ZJ/un)

87 Hell Warden , if you saw some of my female kinfolk you wouldn't be so quick to condemn inbreeding .
///

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:15 PM (YCW1b)

88
just that it's going to be an issue and having a better narrative for it will be important
Yeah, a "better narrative" is more important than the truth. "I was 8; my recollection may be influenced by being a little kid at the time. At least I never spent a day in a church that worshiped Marx and Black Power more than Christ."

The answer is to go on the offensive, not just adopt the "conservative cringe" favored by the upper-north-east and west-coast "conservatives".

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 20, 2010 04:17 PM (ZJ/un)

89 70 It's a crying shame that anyone from West Texas to Virginia is disqualified for the GOP nomination solely because they possess an accent . Has the Republican part become dominated by the hur, hur , hur ,Voinavich wing ?
Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (YCW1b)
I don't think it's just those with a Southern accent who are ostensibly disqualified, though I agree they're the most affected. Really, anyone with a strong regional accent is going to automatically be viewed through the prism of the stereotype conjured by that accent.
Southern accent: Racist plantation owners and demure southern belles
California accent: Like, oh my God, Valley Girls to the MAX. And total surfer culture, dude.
New York/New Jerseyaccent(s): Mafia
Massachusetts accent ("Pak the caa in Havud yad."): Ted Kennedy
New England accent (north of Massachusetts) ("Ya cawn't get the'yuh from he'yuh. Ya hawve to come he'yuh from the'yuh."): Toothless old farmers with no electricity who read Robert Frost poems by the light of a kerosene lamp. That or Maine lobstermen.
Midwest accent: Rose Nylonin The Golden Girls.
If you have a mild accent, you can get away with it. But a strong accent of any sort is going to sour a lot of people against you just because of cultural preconditioning. That's why BBC anchors all have that same insufferable upper-London accent. They have any and all regional dialect beaten out of them in journalist school. No one's going to trust a Yorkshireman, apparently.

Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 04:19 PM (4df7R)

90 Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 20, 2010 04:17 PM (ZJ/un)

This.

I long for the day some Media Hit Person (see how PC I was there?) asks a stupid question like "How can you claim there wasn't any violence in the South in the 50's?" (Which is so how they're trying to spin what he said) or "How can you support a Racist organization?" (the other way they're spinning it) and for a Republican Politician to get a really puzzled look on his(her) face and say "Are you really that stupid, or are you just trying to play 'gotcha'?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:20 PM (8y9MW)

91 As for Barbour, I don't think this means he can't/shouldn't run (as I
said in the post), just that it's going to be an issue and having a
better narrative for it will be important

Fair enough. But I guess I hope he does it in a way that's not apologetic. I think sensible people appreciate what you said about our perspectives from childhood and acknowledge that those were the times back then. If I were Barbour - if this issue keeps getting brought up by our friends in the media - I would use that story he related as a way to hammer home the importance of non-governmental means of effecting change... and the power of the marketplace, which is sort of what that story was about.



How's Huckabee's track-record on all this sort of stuff? You (I) never hear him "smeared" for being a southerner... does Arkansas not count? I mean, I realize Arkansasans can't count, but...

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:21 PM (IDL9N)

92 It's a crying shame that anyone from West Texas to Virginia is disqualified for the GOP nomination solely because they possess an accent . Has the Republican part become dominated by the hur, hur , hur ,Voinavich wing ?
I don't think it's as much that as it is the combination of accent and body type. Chris Christie can get away with being a fat guy because he has a Jersey accent. Bill Clinton could get away with having a southern accent because (a) he wasn't round and (b) he was a Democrat (most important).

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 20, 2010 04:22 PM (JxMoP)

93 Here and elsewhere, Libtards are Masters of the 90% Lie

Most of what they say is Shit, but with a soupcon of thin truth

( when that fails, they resort to their favorite: The 100% Total Bullshit Lie )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at December 20, 2010 04:22 PM (UqKQV)

94 Heh, Vic, a friend of mine in grad school turned me on to Newman's Rednecks. Having basically been told by the MFM since I was born that I should feel guilty for the history of the South, it was nice to hear somebody say "hey, let's not suck each others dicks quite yet here, gentlemen" and point out the racial incongruities of places that ain't the South.

Haley is my governor, and I think he's been a good one (I disagree with him about some eminent domain issues, but that's about it). I hope he runs, because he's politically astute, a hell of a fundraisier, and I believe can make a splash. Look at the Republican Governors' Association under his leadership, if you're wondering about his capabilities.

Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 04:23 PM (Vm9OZ)

95 Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:21 PM (IDL9N)

See my post about who should make our Varsity team and who shouldn't. Huckabee and Romney are reviled nearly enough by the left. Maybe they should be stuck on the Freshman squad...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:23 PM (8y9MW)

96 (Seriously, you're an idiot. Almost 100% guaranteed you're a moby. GFY, ESAD, and DIAF.)



Andrew Sullivan, is that you?


Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 20, 2010 04:23 PM (mAm+G)

97 You (I) never hear him "smeared" for being a southerner... does Arkansas not count?

Depends, the MFM tried to spin Clinton as a "centrist Southern Democrat" when he ran. A lot of stupid people bought into that too.

And no Arkansas is not really part of the South.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:24 PM (e4sSD)

98 96 Leo you are a jerk.

Posted by: gesc at December 20, 2010 04:25 PM (eNPqA)

99 And no Arkansas is not really part of the South.

Well, hell, we don't want it!

Posted by: The Midwest at December 20, 2010 04:25 PM (IDL9N)

100 It's a crying shame that anyone from West Texas to Virginia is
disqualified for the GOP nomination solely because they possess an
accent . Has the Republican part become dominated by the hur, hur , hur
,Voinavich wing ?
Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:07 PM (YCW1b)



I seem to recall a guy named George W. Bush (former Governor of Texas) getting the GOP nod once or twice.

I know hardcore types might say he wasn't born in Texas but I'm pretty sure libs didn't hate him for his Connecticut swagger and that most Texans think of him as one of their own.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 04:25 PM (HicGG)

101 Next week: Mike Huckabee hates the homosexuals!

We'll get to spend several days apologizing for being Christian, and pretending that Bradley Manning doesn't exist, and that Ellen DeGeneres is actually funny.

The week after: Mitch Daniels is a midget!

We'll get to spend several days trying to prove that conservatives don't all suffer from dwarfism.

HEY I HAVE AN IDEA! LET'S NOT PLAY THIS SAME FUCKING GAME AND LET COMMUNISTS SET THE TERMS OF DEBATE!

Posted by: RJ at December 20, 2010 04:26 PM (qDPnZ)

102 Heh, Vic, a friend of mine in grad school turned me on to Newman's Rednecks.

LOL, I have loved that album ever since it came out. As for Barbour, he is at or near the top of potential candidates for me but I haven't done any extensive research yet.

What kind of eminent domain issues does he have?

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:26 PM (e4sSD)

103 Hey, remember when Bill Clinton's phony childhood recollection ofblack church burnings? Remember how easy it was to prove that there were no church burnings in his area during that time period?
Boy, the media sure jumped all over him for that, didn't they?
Good times good times...

Posted by: Warden at December 20, 2010 04:27 PM (HzhBE)

104 @100 - Ish. Definitely one of own-ish.

He's not quite a "good ole boy" but he'll do.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:27 PM (8y9MW)

105 OT: Hot Air says that Wikileaks has stated that Mahmoud Abbas has been outed as cooperating with Israel against Hamas. MSNBC says that this is "a potentially embarrassing revelation for the Palestinian leader." I guess that their spell checkers wouldn't accept "a potential head-sawing-off execution for the Palestinian leader."

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 20, 2010 04:28 PM (xxgag)

106 I seem to recall a guy named George W. Bush (former Governor of Texas) getting the GOP nod once or twice.

I view ALL of the Bush's as being Main (as in the State) Republicans.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:28 PM (e4sSD)

107 Hot Air says that Wikileaks has stated that Mahmoud
Abbas has been outed as cooperating with Israel against Hamas. MSNBC
says that this is "a potentially embarrassing revelation for the
Palestinian leader." I guess that their spell checkers wouldn't accept
"a potential head-sawing-off execution for the Palestinian leader."


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 20, 2010 04:28 PM (xxgag)
That's a good plan - plant claims to get our enemies in hot water in the Wiki data

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:29 PM (z1N6a)

108 I just read the Daily Beast's piece on the left's manufactured "racist" meme over Haley Barbour. The title of the Beasts article? 'Miss. Governor Praises White Supremacist Group.'
This bullshit is out of hand.They should be ashamed. These folks are bastards.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:29 PM (LwLqV)

109 Posted by: WalrusRex at December 20, 2010 04:28 PM (xxgag)

And why hasn't Assange been brought up on espionage charges, yet?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (8y9MW)

110 Drew M. Have you seen the Daily Beast article on Barbour???

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (LwLqV)

111 I wouldn't count Barbour out. I've seen him in person and he gives a great speech- very funny and likeable.

Posted by: Matt at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (ecpMe)

112
This bullshit is out of hand.They should be ashamed. These folks are bastards.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:29 PM (LwLqV)
And this is a surprise? Did you just get out of a 30 year long coma or something? If so, welcome to the Brave New World.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (z1N6a)

113 Posted by: MWR at December 20, 2010 04:19 PM (4df7R)

Media people in Britain increasingly have a 'mid-Atlantic' accent: A somewhat Americanized upper-middle class Home County ( south of London ) accent

the distinct London accents are working-class and not suitable for Prime Brit Time

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at December 20, 2010 04:31 PM (UqKQV)

114 that Ellen DeGeneres is actually funny.
Hey I am willing to accept that the Glee kids always have an orchestra at hand to accompany them when they burst out in song and that Shawn and Gus are still have the Santa Barbara police fooled after five years but there are some things that I just can't buy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 20, 2010 04:32 PM (xxgag)

115 Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (LwLqV)

Not yet.

That bad?

Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 04:32 PM (HicGG)

116 98
96 Leo you are a jerk.


Some pissant tells me to GFM, ESAD, and DIAF, and calls me a moby, when I've been active in the conservative movement since before he was out of diapers, and I'm the jerk?

I guess so--if by "jerk" you mean master of the restrained and humorous response.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (mAm+G)

117 108 I am sure this meme has been pushed out to all the liberal blogs to jump on the bandwagon including lgf.

Posted by: gesc at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (eNPqA)

118 Oldcat, I have no excuse.
I need to say this to feel better. These bastards are little fuckers.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (LwLqV)

119 So if I tried to project the "average voter"... ie: someone who is not particularly political and who doesn't watch the news much... I think the problem Barbour has is Mississippi more than his color or accent (or weight).

My knee-jerk border-state reaction to Mississippi is poverty, rural, and uneducated. So if I'm just a typical disconnected voter, I would be susceptible to media spin that played into that.

Here's some facts and figures on Mississippi's economy.


What Barbour has going for him is that I think it's widely known he did a great job handling the hurricane(s). But it's still Mississippi. I don't know if people will be biased about that.

Then again, they voted for Clinton, but that was a long time ago.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (IDL9N)

120 Home CounTIES ( before any Angry Anglishmen descend )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at December 20, 2010 04:34 PM (UqKQV)

121 Drew M. I have never used profanity on this blog or really in any of my writing.
These little fuckers are incorigible.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:35 PM (LwLqV)

122 And why hasn't Assange been brought up on espionage charges, yet?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:30 PM (8y9MW)
Because we ain'ts finished wit him yet.


Posted by: Bubba Joe and Joe Bubba at December 20, 2010 04:35 PM (wOGfT)

123 Let it out, Journolist!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (pLTLS)

124 Oldcat, I have no excuse.
I need to say this to feel better. These bastards are little fuckers.


Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (LwLqV)
This is why I react to the meme that people like Sarah Palin are tainted by the MSM and should be dropped. If you accept that, you open the door to them tainting everyone we might choose. As you can see.


Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (z1N6a)

125 This bullshit is out of hand.They should be ashamed. These folks are bastards.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:29 PM (LwLqV)
See SantaRosaStan's post on the levels of lying in the Left( he's a pain but he write real good sometimes )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan's Fan Club president at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (UqKQV)

126 Drew M. I have never used profanity on this blog or really in any of my writing.
Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:35 PM (LwLqV)


Are you sure you're in the right place then?

Posted by: DrewM. at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (HicGG)

127 And to top it off, I forgot a bottle of 15 year old scotch in L.A. couple of days ago.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (LwLqV)

128
"But seriously, does anyone remember their home town being 'that bad'
when they were 8?"

I do. I remember bricks being thrown at Martin Luther King when he marched in my hometown. I remember neighborhood clearing out whenever the first black moved in. I remember the golf course at which I had my first job, as a caddie, absolutely refusing to hire a single black.

In fact, if you walk around my hometown even today, you'll see white neighborhoods and you'll see black neighborhoods, but you won't see integrated neighborhoods - or very, very few of them.

Of course, I grew up in Chicago, which, then as now, votes straight-ticket Democrat.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 20, 2010 04:38 PM (VrNoa)

129 Drew - I have been a good boy like Kratos but hey, I'm only human.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:38 PM (LwLqV)

130
And to top it off, I forgot a bottle of 15 year old scotch in L.A. couple of days ago.



Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (LwLqV)
See why we stick to Val-u-rite?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:38 PM (z1N6a)

131 Vic, he vetoed some post-Kelo eminent domain reform for the state, saying it would hamper economic development or some such jazz. Not a huge fan of that idea at all. Fortunately, it's something that's gonna come up on a voter referendum next year during our statewide elections.

http://bit.ly/esY33H

Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 04:39 PM (Vm9OZ)

132 Drew and others I was just noting that several commenter's mentioned Barbour's' accent as being some kind of instant dis qualifier . I guess we need to find a southerner with Barbours brains and strategic political vision and Gen. Hugh Shelton's appearance .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 04:39 PM (YCW1b)

133 Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (LwLqV)

Okay, I don't even drink, and I think that's a crime.

Just like my wife was given some real Edinburgh crystal whiskey tumblers as a gift for her first marriage. They've never been used. That's got to be some kind of crime.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 04:39 PM (8y9MW)

134 This is why I react to the meme
that people like Sarah Palin are tainted by the MSM and should be
dropped. If you accept that, you open the door to them tainting everyone
we might choose. As you can see.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:37 PM (z1N6a)
Yes, but the MFM still have the power to seriously damage people--ask NewtUntil they lose that power, their ability to destroy people needs to be taken into account. No, I don't know how to do this, but it needs to be done.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at December 20, 2010 04:39 PM (UqKQV)

135 Oldcat, yeah right. But this was a gift, cause I wouldn't have bought it on my own.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:40 PM (LwLqV)

136 Drew - I have been a good boy like Kratos but hey, I'm only human.
Aren't you married?
You're wife will be filling your stocking with divorce papers if you don't turn that shit around, friend.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:40 PM (pLTLS)

137 In fact, if you walk around my hometown even today,
you'll see white neighborhoods and you'll see black neighborhoods, but
you won't see integrated neighborhoods - or very, very few of them.

Of course, I grew up in Chicago, which, then as now, votes straight-ticket Democrat.



Posted by: Brown Line at December 20, 2010 04:38 PM (VrNoa)
That's more a function of North versus South - in the South even at its worst cultural separation the physical separation of blacks and whites was less than northern cities.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:40 PM (z1N6a)

138 Hey is Robert Byrd burning in Hell?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 20, 2010 04:41 PM (0GFWk)

139 *your

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:41 PM (pLTLS)

140 Lacey, my stocking is too stuffed with coal.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:43 PM (LwLqV)

141 Lacey, I didn't quite get the Kratos thing.Did I just step in it?

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:44 PM (LwLqV)

142 What Barbour has going for him is that I think it's widely known he did a great job handling the hurricane(s). But it's still Mississippi. I don't know if people will be biased about that.
Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 04:33 PM (IDL9N)
Speaking as someone originally from Mississippi, your suspicions are correct.
Tell someone you're from there and some people will immediately ask you questions about the KKK as if you have firsthand knowledge. These are the same people that think men there still wear white suits and that air conditioning technology still hasn't found its way down there. When they realize you have an education and are well-spoken, they're absolutely fucking dumbfounded.
This hurdle will be insurmountable for a politician on the national level.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 04:44 PM (fLHQe)

143
Vic, he vetoed some post-Kelo eminent domain reform for the state,
saying it would hamper economic development or some such jazz.

That's bad if it was "real" reform that would have prevented something like KELO. But you have to be careful on that score. A number of States, particularly those run by liberals enacted supposedly "anti-KELO" reforms that actually made it easier to steal property and give it to other businesses.

That will take him down a chink in my book.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:45 PM (e4sSD)

144 These are the same people that think men there still wear white suits
and that air conditioning technology still hasn't found its way down
there.

What I have found is that the only people who think shit like that are the ones educated by TV and the History Channel.

IOW, idiots

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:46 PM (e4sSD)

145 From The Daily Beast:
'Vic over at AOSHQ calls Haley Barbour supporters Chinks.'

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:48 PM (LwLqV)

146 Until they lose that power, their ability to destroy people needs to be taken into account. No, I don't know how to do this, but it needs to be done.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at December 20, 2010 04:39 PM (UqKQV)
It's done by doing what AoSHQ was doing when pushing political organization for the midterms. Getting the message out and organizing to make the media irrelevant.
Well, that's the only thing I can see anyway.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 04:48 PM (fLHQe)

147 'Vic over at AOSHQ calls Haley Barbour supporters Chinks.'

LOL, I call them a lot worst, AND I do use profanity.

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:49 PM (e4sSD)

148 Hey, why is my name coming up?!?!? What did I do?

Anyway, when are liberals going to condemn LBJ for his "200 years" quote after he signed the Civil Rights Act? Sounds like he didn't really care about civil rights, only about a permanent voting block for the Dems.

Posted by: President Barracky Pissypants at December 20, 2010 04:50 PM (c0A3e)

149 This hurdle will be insurmountable for a politician on the national level.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 04:44 PM (fLHQe)
Not sure we want to try and get the 'fricking idiot' vote away from the Democrats, even if it were possible.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 04:50 PM (z1N6a)

150 Sock fail, *sighs*.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 20, 2010 04:50 PM (c0A3e)

151 I thinks someone should run as a liberal dressed in a Colonel Sanders suit.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 04:50 PM (LwLqV)

152 JournoList lives on

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 20, 2010 04:51 PM (tvs2p)

153 Let's not forget Fulbright. He managed to get himself canonized despite being a racist and a segregationist . Hell, Billie Bobgave him thecountries highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom,to a man who spent the vast majority of his public career and life as a proud segregationist.
". . . moving 88th birthday ceremony for former senator William Fulbright, President Clinton last night bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom on the man he described as a visionary humanitarian, a steadfast supporter of the values of education, and 'my mentor.'" Clinton added, "It doesn't take long to live a life. He made the best of his, and helped us to have a better chance to make the best of ours. . . . The American political system produced this remarkable man, and my state did, and I'm real proud of it."

Posted by: BobjustBob at December 20, 2010 04:51 PM (7o1gq)

154 IOW, idiots
Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 04:46 PM (e4sSD)
Hey, no argument from me.But that's the reality of it.
If I had toquantifythese people, I'd say they make upsomewhere around 52% of the votingpopulace.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 04:53 PM (fLHQe)

155 my stocking is too stuffed with coal.
that happened to me one year!
we had a neighbor that was a trickster. he loved teasing me so one year I came downstairs and all my presents were gone and he replaced my stocking with my name to one filled with coal that said "naughty list"
my evil parents laughed and went along with the 'joke'. pretty scarring for a 5 yr old kid.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 04:56 PM (pLTLS)

156 The first thing that has to be said is that Haley is well-spoken, quick-witted and can handle himself.

I wonder if he's being a little shrewd here. You see, he joined the Republican party early on in his life and well before it was OK for a white guy to be Republican. It was that strange time when southern whites were Democrats because they were the party of segregation and blacks were Democrats because they were the party against segregation.

If you hear him talk about being a Republican in those times, it's clear that he was bucking a trend and fighting the prevalent racism. Barbour was never a Dixiecrat.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 04:57 PM (T0NGe)

157 Yeah Vic, there's a lot to wade through with regard to that; opposing private property rights doesn't really square with Haley's conservative decisions in the past. We shall see.

Man knows how to fight a Dem controlled legislature, though. I think he could do some amazing things if he had a conservative congress at his back. As for the people denigrating his (and my accent): fuck you, the horse you rode in on, and the sumbitch that shoed the horse.

Merry Christmas, bitches.

Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 04:57 PM (Vm9OZ)

158 In other news, I'm so tempted to get tickets to this.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 05:00 PM (pLTLS)

159 We talk real funny down heah
We drink too much ,we laugh too loud
We too dumb to make it in some northern town
We just keepin' the n------ down .

If that perception is still common than all I can say is "Fuck em".
My home town of approx. 18,000 has an actual , no shit , Nobel prize winner as a homeboy . An' I ain't talkin' bout no bullshit "peace prize" either .
I'm talkin' physics .
I guess he managed to dodge all the cross burnings and rampant Jew hatred (the man is Jewish )long enough to get a rudimentary education before moving on to the ivy league . Don't forget we hate the Hebe's almost as much as we hate brown people .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 05:01 PM (YCW1b)

160 Did someone say taint?

Posted by: Taint Painter at December 20, 2010 05:02 PM (E7i+5)

161 wHAT THE f4C2!+

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Posted by: Deety will be SORELY dissaponted on Christmas at December 20, 2010 05:02 PM (Jb3+B)

162 What would liberals do without it.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 20, 2010 05:03 PM (0fzsA)

163 If you hear him talk about being a Republican in those times, it's clear
that he was bucking a trend and fighting the prevalent racism. Barbour
was never a Dixiecrat.Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 04:57 PM (T0NGe)


The old saying is that when Haley and his family were switching to the GOP, the entire population of Mississippi's Republicans "wouldn't fill up a phone booth." Hell, people don't realize that it wasn't until 1991 that Mississippi elected its first Republican governor since Reconstruction.

It's a bitch staying on the defensive about your home all the time. I lived in New York for two years when I first started college; first thing a guy asked me after we met was "do you see a lot of Ku Klux Klan activity in your area?" *facepalm* Of course, the ignorant-ass liberal apologists around here ain't much better; government will save us all from the blight that is being Mississippians, or so they believe. I wish massive tooth decay and sadistic nursing home workers in their old age on all of them.


Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 05:03 PM (Vm9OZ)

164 In other news, I'm so tempted to get tickets to this.....
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 05:00 PM (pLTLS)
His talk, “Drum Major Instinct: Doing it the Right Way,” is being sponsored by the Bolinga Black Cultural Resource Center.
I have absolutely no clue what to think of this.

Posted by: ErikW at December 20, 2010 05:03 PM (g2bPR)

165 If you hear him talk about being a Republican in
those times, it's clear that he was bucking a trend and fighting the
prevalent racism. Barbour was never a Dixiecrat.


Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 04:57 PM (T0NGe)
Too bad for him. The Dixiecrats, being Democrat, get a free pass these days.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:03 PM (z1N6a)

166 Sounds like a candidate for "Nontroversy of the Day."

Posted by: Dave G at December 20, 2010 05:04 PM (n7xol)

167 Posted by: awkward davies at December 20, 2010 05:01 PM (YCW1b)

Actually, I think that the people to whom this matters already know differently. And what they know about us is that we're much worse than mere racists- were "not care-ists."

See, we're all supposed to be racists or be ashamed of our "racist past." Instead, the South (for the most part) just shrugged and moved on.

We don't care about "race" issues anymore, because we've been bludgeoned with them for 60 years now. This is also why I seem to see an easier integration of the various races in the Conservative South than the Liberal North.

In the North, they care. It's like constantly picking a scab- you make it take much, much longer to heal. In the south, even though it was violent upheaval, the healing was forced on us (no other way to describe it, really), but now the healing is done. Up in the north, they're still picking at it every day in an attempt to show how "sensitive" they are.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:06 PM (8y9MW)

168 152
JournoList lives on

I always was baffled at Journolist. Why do they need it, they live in an echo chamber anyway?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 05:07 PM (T0NGe)

169 I always was baffled at Journolist. Why do they need it, they live in an echo chamber anyway?


Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 05:07 PM (T0NGe)
The consequences of saying something honest are very high in those circles. Best to make things perfectly clear.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:09 PM (z1N6a)

170 In the North, they care. It's like constantly
picking a scab- you make it take much, much longer to heal. In the
south, even though it was violent upheaval, the healing was forced on us
(no other way to describe it, really), but now the healing is done. Up
in the north, they're still picking at it every day in an attempt to
show how "sensitive" they are.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:06 PM (8y9MW)
They don't want it to heal.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:10 PM (z1N6a)

171 wHAT THE f4C2!+

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Posted by: Deety at December 20, 2010 05:12 PM (Jb3+B)

172 In the North, they care. It's like constantly picking a scab- you make it take much, much longer to heal. In the south, even though it was violent upheaval, the healing was forced on us (no other way to describe it, really), but now the healing is done. Up in the north, they're still picking at it every day in an attempt to show how "sensitive" they are.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:06 PM (8y9MW)
They don't want it to heal.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:10 PM (z1N6a)
I don't really buy the "white guilt" meme. I think those assholes use caring about minorities the same way other people compete for who has the better lawn.

Posted by: ErikW at December 20, 2010 05:13 PM (g2bPR)

173 Well now isn't that nice, FCC has votes to pass net neutrality, all in contravention of the legislative branch.
Nice.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 05:13 PM (LwLqV)

174 Yazoo City schools were integrated after 1970 when the Supremes ruled in Alexander v Holmes And yes back then there were racists in both parties.

Posted by: archie bunker at December 20, 2010 05:15 PM (0YS61)

175 Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:10 PM (z1N6a)

I think many of them don't, that's true.

But I think many are genuinely surprised at how "little" progress in race relations has been made. That's why they try to (and, sadly, often succeed) force their failing policies on the South.

Since we don't care, they simply cannot believe that we're better about race relations than they are. So, they just pretend that we're worse off than they are, and try to force their policies on us.

Like when the Democrats blasted Bush for vetoing (or just not signing, I can't remember now) Hate Crimes legislation in Texas. Since the two principle miscreants got the death penalty, and the other guy got life in prison, we were under the impression we didn't need additional legislation. The busybodies in the North (especially the North East), however, were just sure it was a sign of the "rampant racism" in Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:16 PM (8y9MW)

176 "...first thing a guy asked me after we met was "do you see a lot of Ku Klux Klan activity in your area?"
Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 05:03 PM (Vm9OZ)
When I was a corporal, I had a gunny who happened to be black that used to tease me about being a Klan member. Gunny Contee. Great guy. Used to give me endless shit about being some sort of closet racist. It was actually all in good fun.
One day he was starting his shit with me during a formation about owning slaves and I said "Hey Gunny, you know, when I was home on leave I was going through some old family papers and I came across the deed to the Contee family." After all the oh-snap reactions from the platoon and his laughter died down I said "Yeah, did you know your great great great grandad's name was Kunta Contee?"
I never saw that guy laugh harder than that. It's also very satisfying to actually win a running joke.
Tough to get away with that these days.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 05:17 PM (fLHQe)

177 if Barbour does run for President WTF????
Apparently I haven't been paying attention. I thought Mike pence was the settled upon candidate for many reasons, one of which is that he does not have a look that is "too white" the way Haley and Mitt Romney do. He can also actually speak well, without the Liberal white equivalent of a "negro dialect".
But at least we can all agree that the Left is playing their evil race-baiting game, as usual. I hope and pray that we are all beginning to coalecsce around the idea that: we must face this issuesquarely for a change and stop running away from what we know is intimidation by the Left.This is a fight forfreedom of thought, speech, association and equality for everyone, including white people.
WEMUST STOP RUNNING FROM THIS FORA CHANGE!

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at December 20, 2010 05:17 PM (tuCVl)

178 OT - Republican Sen. Scott Brown says he'll vote for new START Treaty - NBC

Damn it!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 20, 2010 05:20 PM (c0A3e)

179 I'll send $100 to the first Senator or Congressman who gets behind a podium and says this is bullshit.

And uses the word bullshit. Not fucking weasel-words.
No more pussying around with this garbage.

Anyone with any sense knows this is standard liberal bullshit.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:23 PM (9aY7h)

180 Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2010 05:17 PM (fLHQe)

That's a good one right there, but, like you said, you probably couldn't get away with it today. I had a friend at Mississippi State, black drummer on the snare line with me; we'd do Richard Pryor routines back and forth to one another. He was in Army ROTC, and when I'd see him in the gym with other cadets, we had a running joke of making sure we each acknowledged hating each other for skin color. Seeing the looks on the other cadets' faces was priceless.

Having a sense of humor is probably the best way to beat this shit, but nobody believes you can have a sense of humor about race. Tis unfortunate, methinks.

Posted by: Boogie at December 20, 2010 05:23 PM (Vm9OZ)

181 S.T.A.R.T:

Start Taking Advanced Russian language Training

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:24 PM (9aY7h)

182 But I think many are genuinely surprised at how
"little" progress in race relations has been made. That's why they try
to (and, sadly, often succeed) force their failing policies on the
South.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:16 PM (8y9MW)
You can't let them get away with hiding behind those few who are duped by them. And these kinds of liberals are the ones who call the cops if they see a black guy walking down the street in their gated community.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:25 PM (z1N6a)

183 g6NNA TRY "A3WAREBYTES" C6S 5T'S C35C2AB3E.

Posted by: Deety at December 20, 2010 05:25 PM (Jb3+B)

184 And yes back then there were racists in both parties.

STFU, dunce.

Posted by: Theophilus Eugene Connor at December 20, 2010 05:26 PM (S5YRY)

185 Posted by: 7HEAVENS at December 20, 2010 05:17 PM (tuCVl)

I thought I heard something recently (maybe today) which probably put Pence out of the Running for '12... Anybody remember that? I'm thinking it was a comment today...

And Haley Barbour has been bandied about for quite a while. It's been a little quiet on that front for the last while, but it's not exactly new that his name is being tossed around.

That said, I don't know enough about where he stands on what issues to know if I'm excited by his candidacy or not (if he runs).

Hey, Barbour fans: where does he stand on:
Illegal Immigration
Fiscal Policy
Energy Policy
GWOT / National Defense

Linkies would be nice, if there are any that demonstrate his positions fairly concisely.

He's already made many of the correct enemies, so that moves him up on my list, but I'd like to know more about him.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:27 PM (8y9MW)

186 And yes back then there
were racists in both parties.

Posted by: archie bunker at December 20, 2010 05:15 PM



There still are, you insufferable, forgive the expression, leftist
douchebag. Most of them are in the democrat party disguised as
benevolent benefactors who only want to help the inferior races achieve
what can only be described as separate but equal success.

Posted by: huerfano at December 20, 2010 05:27 PM (QgmBR)

187 Kratos I have defended Brown in the past as being the best we could hope for in MA but after this vote and his vote on DADT I wish MA had stayed status quo.

Posted by: Can't believe it's not bitter at December 20, 2010 05:28 PM (cYJn0)

188 w5SH 0E 34C2!

Posted by: Deety at December 20, 2010 05:29 PM (Jb3+B)

189 In my experience, racial politics are much more screwed up in the
northern cities than in the middle atlantic or southern ones.

Indeed. Having lived in both, I've never met a more racist bunch then a group of partisan white liberals.

Oh, they'll hate on people from the South, but only to excuse their own bigotry. Something along the lines of, "I'm no southern red neck, but I mean come on would these black people stop having kids?"

Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2010 05:30 PM (7BU4a)

190 Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:25 PM (z1N6a)

True, but if two groups oppose you, it's better to be able to distinguish between the two. The ones who are duped can (sometimes, with a lot of effort) be persuaded to see that they've been wrong- and then they often become Conservative with more fervor than many of those "born" into it. And the ones who are doing the duping can be argued with for example purposes (to show the dupees that they've been duped), but otherwise avoided.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:30 PM (8y9MW)

191 Obama skated by on Bill Ayers...

You had me until that little part. If you want to make the Obama/Ayers - Barbour/Citizens Council analogy...

Barbour seemed to be downplaying the Citizens Council as "organization of town leaders". Imagine if Obama dismissed the Weather Underground as just some politically active youth?

I don't think anybody is painting Barbour as a racist, just questioning his apparent white washing of a deeply racist organization.

Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:31 PM (Og2dg)

192 My friends and I give each other crap about race, sex, and religion every time we have a BBQ. My neighbors used to think there was a race riot about to start in my backyard.Then they heard us all bust out laughing. Now we just invite them to get in on it.

People either get that this race shit doesn't matter or they don't. It's all about how big an asshole you are.

99.99% of the Civil Revenge Movement is now about free money. And it's sad.






Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:31 PM (9aY7h)

193 "started" a Klan chapter ??? WTF Yazoo City always had an active Klan and the lynching record to prove it/

Posted by: archie bunker at December 20, 2010 05:32 PM (0YS61)

194 I don't think anybody is painting Barbour as a racist

Then you are naive beyond imagining. It's what Democrats do.

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 05:32 PM (S5YRY)

195 99.99% of the Civil Revenge Movement is now about free money. And it's sad.

And business is good, white-devil.

Posted by: Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson at December 20, 2010 05:33 PM (c0A3e)

196 Frankly, I don't see why Brown and the other squishes can't just say no to the lame duck session in principle.

Besides, Brown can oppose START. Nobody cares about START.

NOBODY. This is a wholly inside-the-beltway thing and it's about Obama reliving the early 80s.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 05:34 PM (T0NGe)

197 We let them fire one of ours for being nice to an old man on his birthday. They want to do it again.

And they won't stop until they can smear shit on every candidate for 2012.


Pravda never sleeps.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:34 PM (9aY7h)

198 I get the feeling that archie's pointy little white dunce hat has another use.....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 20, 2010 05:35 PM (pLTLS)

199 Al, Jesse, Louis, you will be judged by a far greater judge than I.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:35 PM (9aY7h)

200 I don't think anybody is painting Barbour as a racist, just questioning his apparent white washing of a deeply racist organization.
Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:31 PM (Og2dg)
< That is perhaps one of the most ignorantly constructed sentences to everbe written on the AOSHQ site.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 05:36 PM (LwLqV)

201 "A lot of folks whose only notions of the south come from watching or reading To Kill a Mockingbird or popular history simply equate "southern" with "racism"."

Somehow I doubt these folks appreciate the irony.

Posted by: 2549 at December 20, 2010 05:37 PM (kvxPn)

202 Indeed. Having lived in both, I've never met a more racist bunch then a group of partisan white liberals.

In fairness, what I've observed kind of went both ways.

I think as someone else mentioned upthread, in many parts of the country races just have to live with each other so they're used to it. The tension level is just not so high as it is in places like Boston and Chicago.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 05:38 PM (IDL9N)

203 I agree with Dennis. Imagine if Obama socialized with former weather underground members. Or if he took money from these unapologetic terrorists to finance his ambitions. Imagine.

Posted by: Can't believe it's not bitter at December 20, 2010 05:40 PM (cYJn0)

204 Frankly, I don't see why Brown and the other squishes can't just say no to the lame duck session in principle. Besides, Brown can oppose START. Nobody cares about START.NOBODY. This is a wholly inside-the-beltway thing and it's about Obama reliving the early 80s.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 20, 2010 05:34 PM (T0NGe)
Squishes don't have principles, by and large. Its what makes them squishes.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:40 PM (z1N6a)

205 Haley is still speaking before the last incarnation of the white Citizens Counsil

Posted by: archie bunker at December 20, 2010 05:41 PM (0YS61)

206 203 I agree with Dennis. Imagine if Obama socialized with former weather underground members. Or if he took money from these unapologetic terrorists to finance his ambitions. Imagine.
Posted by: Can't believe it's not bitter at December 20, 2010 05:40 PM (cYJn0)
< Or if his former communications director lauded the achievements of socialism and Mao. Imagine, just imagine.

Posted by: Journolist at December 20, 2010 05:41 PM (LwLqV)

207 Haley Barbour must be a racist. And I know a racists when I see one!

Posted by: A. Sharpton at December 20, 2010 05:43 PM (0GFWk)

208 Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:31 PM (Og2dg)

You're wrong. He's exactly being painted as a racist- AND as "apparently white washing a racist organization."

The whole point is to smear him as both a racist and an apologist for racists. That way, if one charge doesn't stick, the other might.

How else do you explain trying to make hay over the memories that someone has of their home town when they're 8? And note that Yglesias never comes out and says that Barbour was just wrong in his statements, instead he does some journalistic prestidigitation and tries to make it seem as if he was talking about one thing (the Yazoo City Citizens Committees motivations (racism)) when he was talking about another (their actions (pragmatism)).

In fact, this very scenario is the Libertarian answer to racism: no one (or almost no one) is going to be willing to send that much money to a competitor- regardless of their own racial views.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:44 PM (8y9MW)

209 Little john ryan, still mystified by punctuation and lucidity.

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 05:44 PM (MMC8r)

210 Archie, forgive the expression, sit on it and rotate.

I know why you are trolling us though. You're upset at this development, and mommy isn't going to "opt in" for you:

All internet porn will be blocked to protect children, under UK government plan

Posted by: Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson at December 20, 2010 05:45 PM (c0A3e)

211 Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 05:44 PM (MMC8r)

Does it count as "mystified" if he can't even perceive them?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:45 PM (8y9MW)

212 Toby/Journolist...

I went to the links in this post and don't see anybody calling Barbour a racist? An apologist for a racist organization perhaps?

Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:46 PM (Og2dg)

213 Archie, Harry Reid is still speaking in front of an organization that allowed a Klan member to retire in honor. Mr. Byrd.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:46 PM (9aY7h)

214 @210 - But, don't forget, it's evil Religious Conservatives who want to censor everything and burn books with which they disagree.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:47 PM (8y9MW)

215 Little john ryan, still mystified by punctuation and lucidity.

not to mention facts, logic, and argument. If he couldn't drop a mind turd that stuck to his shoe at DKos, he'd be commentless.

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 05:47 PM (S5YRY)

216 I think as someone else mentioned upthread, in many
parts of the country races just have to live with each other so they're
used to it. The tension level is just not so high as it is in places
like Boston and Chicago.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 05:38 PM (IDL9N)
Boston is one of the most segregated city in America. There are definite areas in greater Boston that you will find rather views people who aren't of the same racial group - blacks, Italians, Northern Europeans, etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2010 05:48 PM (7BU4a)

217 They'll pry my nurse pr0n from my calloused, hairy hand.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:49 PM (9aY7h)

218 Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:46 PM (Og2dg)

Of course they don't "call him a racist." That would be an exact charge against which he could defend (probably with a whole lot of very good evidence). This way, they get to paint him with that brush without actually saying it.

Then, to defend himself, he has to define what they've done as calling him a racist.

Check-mate in this little operation is usually the MFM then saying "Racist? Oooooh, we never said that. That means he must be a racist- cause the only reason he would have thought we were accusing him of that was if he had a guilty conscience."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:49 PM (8y9MW)

219 212 - You said: I went to the links in this post and don't see anybody calling Barbour a racist? An apologist for a racist organization perhaps?


it means the same thing to them. This is just the first step - they are planting the seeds.

Posted by: gesc at December 20, 2010 05:50 PM (eNPqA)

220 @22: "Nazi's had their Brownshirts....Democrats had the Klan.
Before the Klan, they had slaves. Today those same DemocRATS are enslaving us to debt that generations can't retire. They are an existential threat."

Notably, the Nazis got rid of the Brownshirts...

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2010 05:52 PM (xy9wk)

221 And in truly shocking news, the Governator would like to work for Obizzle.
Yay, moderates!

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2010 05:53 PM (xy9wk)

222 Barbour is a smart politician. He has a long history of not making any racist statements. However he also has a long history of pandering specifically TO racists.

Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:53 PM (Og2dg)

223 And... Dennis beclowns himself!

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 05:54 PM (IDL9N)

224 However he also has a long history of pandering specifically TO racists.

Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 05:53 PM (Og2dg)
Liar! He has never pandered to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 05:55 PM (z1N6a)

225 New hash with a first-name generic male nick.

Fits the pattern.

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 05:56 PM (MMC8r)

226 Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 05:56 PM (MMC8r)

Are you saying that 'Dennis' is a new troll?
If so, he seems more lucid than most. Maybe he hasn't been on the mailing list long enough?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 05:58 PM (8y9MW)

227 Are you saying that 'Dennis' is a new troll?

I'm saying that whenever one of these new smear campaigns pops up, we seem to get a new poster with a generic first name handle like 'James' or 'Nick' suddenly popping up to push the same buttons as the shiny new lefty mantra. Like a little forward recon.

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 06:01 PM (MMC8r)

228 What, did you all believe that Palin would be the only potential candidate that they would try to destroy? This, I'm sure, is only the first salvo against Barbour? They'll dig up crap on him that none of us dreamed of. Get ready.
I was born and raised in SC. I'm not sure how Barbour missed what I remember well. It may not have happened in his home town, but I grew up out in the sticks. When it hit there the hardest, our parents (my grandparents who raised me) pulled us out of school actually pooled their money and built a private school. That caused our local public school to be closed down, as there were not enough black kids to fill it. They went back to the school that had been all black.
I spent one year at the private school, and then went to live with my aunt in Columbia. By that time, the shit was getting really bad. Riots and fighting so bad that my cousin and I were walked to classes by a blackkid whobefriended us (and turned out to be one of my best friends), so we wouldn't get hurt by the bricks, 2x4s, and anything else that seemed to happen at every turn.Believe me, it was bad.
It may not have been that way in his little town, but it was that way in many in the South. What happened in myfirst schoolin the sticks wasn't violent, either, be we sure knew what was going on everywhere else. If he wants to jump in the fray for president, he'll need to find a better way to combatthe accusations that will being coming his way about where and how he grew up.

Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:02 PM (kOSds)

229
Archie, Harry Reid is still speaking in front of an organization that allowed a Klan member to retire in honor. Mr. Byrd.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 05:46 PM

Robert Byrd did not retire. They had to pry his cold dead ass out of his Senate seat.

I meant, cold dead racist ass, of course.

Posted by: huerfano at December 20, 2010 06:03 PM (QgmBR)

230
It may not have been that way in his little town,
but it was that way in many in the South. What happened in myfirst
schoolin the sticks wasn't violent, either, be we sure knew what was
going on everywhere else. If he wants to jump in the fray for
president, he'll need to find a better way to combatthe accusations
that will being coming his way about where and how he grew up.



Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:02 PM (kOSds)
Why? If he is telling the facts about what he saw in his town and why it was better than other towns at the time, why is the need for him to scourge himself over it. He was 8 years old.I better go dress my mom down because WWII happened when she was 8 years old and she has never said she was sorry about that.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 06:05 PM (z1N6a)

231 he'll need to find a better way to combatthe accusations that will being coming his way about where and how he grew up.

Why? I'd like this answer: "Yes, Shep, I actually chose to which family I would be born, where, and in what era. I was a racist before I was born."

He owes no apologies for where he grew up, how he grew up, who his parents were, or how his community handled things.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 06:05 PM (8y9MW)

232 However he also has a long history of pandering specifically TO racists.
He has supported a segregationist/racist platform? It would be news to me.

Cite?

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 06:06 PM (S5YRY)

233 Cite?


Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 06:06 PM (S5YRY)
Obviously its his pandering to the citizens of Mississippi, who are ipso facto all racists, that is the true issue.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 06:08 PM (z1N6a)

234 Are you saying that 'Dennis' is a new troll?

yeah, I totally am troll. But fear not, I'll probably never pop up again. Just couldn't resist getting in a few shots. Drew makes mostly excellent points in this original post, I just thought it was humorous that he compared it to the Obama/Ayers non-issue.

Another gotcha moment that one side could blow up bigger than its worth. Its also so funny that anti-anti racism is a much bigger problem gripping this country than actual racism amongst the far right loons.

Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 06:08 PM (Og2dg)

235 He owes no apologies for where he grew up, how he grew up, who his parents were, or how his community handled things

I agree with this.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 06:08 PM (IDL9N)

236 Obviously its his pandering to the citizens of Mississippi, who are ipso facto all racists, that is the true issue.

Well, and he's a Republican. Enough said.

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 06:10 PM (MMC8r)

237 230 - yes. Just like Obama was what 10 when he was in a in school as a muslim oh and when he "slept" through 20 years of racist crap from Rev. Wright? We are suppose to swallow the crap from them but they can push this meme on us. Fuck them. Like I said this is just the first step to plant the seed.

But, I believe Haley is a big boy and can handle him in a debate if it comes to that - who knows we have to wait until we get some real clear message from him that he wants to run.

Posted by: gesc at December 20, 2010 06:10 PM (eNPqA)

238 But fear not, I'll probably never pop up again.

Promises promises.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at December 20, 2010 06:11 PM (S5YRY)

239 I don't know how I'm going to sleep tonight knowing that some faceless (mindless) internet troll thinks I'm a bigot.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 06:12 PM (IDL9N)

240 Posted by: Dennis at December 20, 2010 06:08 PM (Og2dg)
At least he's more lucid than john ryan.

Posted by: ErikW at December 20, 2010 06:13 PM (g2bPR)

241 I shed a single tear at the loss of his wit and wisdom.

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 06:13 PM (S5YRY)

242 I was at a VERY liberal co-workers house, having dinner with his VERY liberal family...he mentioned something along the lines of how blacks owe Democrats their vote! Everyone nodded as if it was common knowledge. I said t myself 'fukit', and then rattled off the constitutional amendments Republicans introduced and voted for, the Civil rights vote, how the KKK was an enforcement arm of the Dems, and so on, challenging them to prove me wrong...By the end, I was seething, but kept calm. I finished with 'if blacks owed Democrats anything, it would be an ass-whipping'...Could have heard a pin drop.

Then I asked for pie.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 20, 2010 06:14 PM (VnECg)

243 Did you get the pie?

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 06:16 PM (S5YRY)

244 I'm not saying he owes an apology for anything. Surely, not for being called something he's not. What I am saying is that he wasn't always an 8 year old kid where he grew up.
Look, I like him. From what I know of him his record, he's great. What I said was that this is just the beginning, and he'll have to acknowledge what the shit was like in the South,because it was messed up. There's no denying that.There's no getting around the fact that the f#cknuts will try to use any every part of it against him, if they can. The only reason they'll need is that he's from the South and had the audacity (snarc) to be alive during that time.

Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:18 PM (kOSds)

245 Posted by: ErikW at December 20, 2010 06:13 PM (g2bPR)

So's naval lint.

Posted by: Y-not at December 20, 2010 06:12 PM (IDL9N)


I've got some muscle relaxers if you think they'd help.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 06:18 PM (8y9MW)

246 Then I asked for pie.

Posted by: model_1066 at December 20, 2010 06:14 PM (VnECg)

You should have said, "Pie, because you owe me."

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 06:20 PM (MMC8r)

247 Yes, I did get the pie...one thing I learned about arguing with libs...never back down. It's frustrating that I'm always willing to show them proof of what I'm saying from any source they would consider to be accurate...they refuse. I ask them to show me evidence of their view...again they refuse. Wonder why, eh?

Posted by: model_1066 at December 20, 2010 06:22 PM (VnECg)

248 What I said was that this is just the beginning,
and he'll have to acknowledge what the shit was like in the
South,because it was messed up. There's no denying that.There's no
getting around the fact that the f#cknuts will try to use any
every part of it against him, if they can. The only reason they'll
need is that he's from the South and had the audacity (snarc) to be
alive during that time.



Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:18 PM (kOSds)
So when do all the other candidates have to do the same thing about their fucked up regions?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 06:22 PM (z1N6a)

249 I don't remember John Kerry having to answer for the race riots in Boston.

Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 06:24 PM (MMC8r)

250 Fuck you Dennis. And a proactive fuck you for when you come back the next time some jerkoff at Kos posts some little meme you can steal and repost here. Because you will come back. You always do.

Posted by: sifty at December 20, 2010 06:24 PM (9aY7h)

251 It may not have been that way in his little town, but it was that way in many in the South.

We had no violence in my High School in GA in the 60s when "freedom of choice" was removed.

However, they did have a riot years later when a black girl was not elected home coming queen. They then started electing two homecoming queens, one black and one white.

And they wonder now why enrollment in the school by whites declined to the point now that the school is 85% black. I wonder if they are still electing two queens?

Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2010 06:25 PM (e4sSD)

252 I don't remember John Kerry having to answer for the race riots in Boston.


Posted by: nickless at December 20, 2010 06:24 PM (MMC8r)
Or that bullshit collapse in 1978 and 1986 by the Red Sox.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 06:25 PM (z1N6a)

253 So when do all the other candidates have to do the same thing about their fucked up regions?
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2010 06:22 PM (z1N6a)
All the other candidates will have to answer whatever the f#cknuts come up with to try destroy them. That's all I'm saying. Every single Repub that has the potential to run, or will runwill have something slung at them. They'll have to find a way to combat that.Do you truly believe that it won't happen?

Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:32 PM (kOSds)

254 Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:32 PM (kOSds)

I think the general spirit of the thread is not that it won't happen, but that we're tired of playing defense. No, he doesn't need to come up with some "way to combat" it.

What he needs to do is say, "Seriously? You're complaining that I made fact-based statements about the town where I grew up in response to a question about why we didn't have the problems with integration that others did? And you're basing these complaints on the fact that, when I was 8, the town was overwhelmingly racist?

Tell you what, how well have all those 'non-racist' school systems like New York and Illinois come along?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 06:36 PM (8y9MW)

255 We elected a black man President of the United States. Racism is dead.

Posted by: toby928™ at December 20, 2010 06:38 PM (S5YRY)

256
Posted by: Zombie Senator Robert Byrd (D., WV) at December 20, 2010 03:41 PM (ao9DD)





It took 27 comments for the obvious Zombie Byrd sock to appear??????

You bastards are slackin'.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 20, 2010 06:43 PM (T9MMr)

257 What he needs to do is say, "Seriously? You're complaining that I made fact-based statements about the town where I grew up in response to a question about why we didn't have the problems with integration that others did? And you're basing these complaints on the fact that, when I was 8, the town was overwhelmingly racist?Tell you what, how well have all those 'non-racist' school systems like New York and Illinois come along?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 20, 2010 06:36 PM (8y9MW)
I agree with you. Still, you really think if he says that that will be good enough to stop what they're going to try to use to destroy his potential candidacy?

Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2010 06:49 PM (kOSds)

258 @42. I thought I was reading Ace as well.

Drew, you better cut that out before you pick up any of his other manerisms!

Posted by: sTevo at December 20, 2010 06:52 PM (q1Tbv)

259 255 We elected a black man President of the United States.  Racis

Posted by: toby928

Some might say we elected a Polynesian.

Posted by: sTevo at December 20, 2010 06:55 PM (q1Tbv)

260 "Democrats get a pass for their past and Republicans get nailed for the slightest variation from liberal dogma."
Well said, Well Said.
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It would be hard to say it wasn't from want of trying. The planned bombing at Fort Dix would certainly have killed some. The fact that Ayers accomplices Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins managed to blow themselves up rather than innocents is hardly mitigating.

Meh. Accessory before and after the fact.

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